Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My match dot com profile
Thanks Doc - that was nice. But FFL - really? :-). Anyway Doc - it's a fool's errand hence the cop out - Perhaps I evoked the feelings of pity and sympathy for my naivete, my hopeless idealism, romanticism? As far as I can see the women who are my core, target audience - the sweet, kind, loving, liberal yet tortured women are quite happy numbing their pain, indulging in fantasies - their fantasies on being healers, therapists. Others fantasizing on global peace, age of enlightenment, many on Gandhi, Teresa, Dalai Lama, Divine Mothers, Yogis, Babas, Avatars. They want to avoid conflict, drama at all cost, they are attending classes on Non-Violent Communication. I was just inspired to pen my thoughts - looking back it's just a distilled, secular, modern slant of my life and my experiences - devoid of any religious, Hindu jargon. Hope my old man read it and hope he liked it :-). I figured I paid for a 6 month subscription on match, completely impulsive, so I might as well sell my philosophy to whoever dares to wander to my profile, likely every one will cop out. I'm not going to do a damn thing messaging anyone - it's just a waste of my time. I will when I feel like it - click on random profiles of women who I take fancy to and then they will read what I have to say. I recall reading Vigyan Bhairav Tantra long time back and Devi asking Shiva - Oh Lord, What is your reality? What is this wonder-filled Universe. What constitutes seed? Who centers the universal wheel? What is this life beyond form pervading forms? How may we enter it fully, above space and time, names and descriptions? Let my doubts be cleared. and Shiva just starts talking about various techniques. I personally think they are pretty outdated. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:10 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** Here's hoping you find someone, Ravi - Perhaps invite them to join FFL, as a first or second date?? Outwit, outplay, outlast, Survivor. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: ​​I was inspired to revisit match dot com today, I don't expect anything out of it nor have too much emotional investment in it but I loved articulating myself on what I would want. So FWIW - enjoy !!! -- OK I have revamped my profile and hope to make hay (find love) while the sun shines (my subscription stays current). The foremost quality that I would like in my partner is one who is on a journey to self-knowledge. Someone who is always willing to examine all modalities - whether it be religion, science or psychology, willing to to be on a quest for self-inquiry, self-discovery, self-exploration. Willing to go as far as the intellect can go, yet retain the love, sense of joy and wonder, curiosity about life. Not let any belief - be it religion or science constrain their self-expression, self-freedom and deprive themselves from this wonder, awe and innocence. Understands the paradox of the guilt, the burden a loving, creative person feels, this existential despair yet retaining the love, the joy, the vulnerability. Didn't Jesus say - the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to the childlike? I'm sure that's what he was referring to. Didn't Einstein regret spending his whole life trying to de-mystify the Universe? Someone who strives to be emotionally, psychologically intelligent, to achieve emotional, psychological sophistication. Understands that life is too dynamic, truth is dynamic to be wrapped into beliefs even it be values such as peace, non-violence, humility not that they wouldn't be peaceful or humble. An authentic expression of anger, especially in a woman, is more beautiful than an inauthentic laugh, authentic arrogance more beautiful than pseudo humility. Understands that conflict leads to growth and is not conflict-averse. Someone who is socially very liberal, reaches out to others with love and compassion and understands the values of responsibility and accountability for oneself, morality, ethics for oneself not as a curve-ball, fastball to judge, condemn others or wallow in hatred like conservatives. Someone who is an INFJ or even ISFJ on Myers-Brigss Type Indicator and has lots of 6's and 9's on the Enneagram. Perhaps what I have said finds an intuitive resonance with you? You find this journey as I do? As exciting as a trip to Peru? Or Paris? Or the cruise to Bahamas? If not I hope I have at least entertained you. Perhaps I evoked the feelings of pity and sympathy for my naivete, my hopeless idealism, romanticism? Perhaps foreseeing a life of loneliness for me? No worries - I may be a hopeless romantic, my heart may have deceived me several times in the past but I have learned the art of indulging in the fantasies fueled by my hopeless romanticism yet not let myself veer too far away from reality. I am a laid-back,
[FairfieldLife] II 40: asaMsarga?
YS II 40:
shaucaat svaan.ga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH.
Some translations:
[HA]:
From The Practice Of Purification, Aversion Towards One's Own Body
Is Developed And Thus Aversion Extends To Contact With Other Bodies.
[IT]:
From physical purity (arises) disgust for one's own body and
disinclination to come in physical contact with others.
[VH]:
[BM]:
[SS]:
By purification arises disgust for one's own body and for contact
with other bodies.
[SP]:
As the result of purity, there arises indifference toward the body and
disgust for physical intercourse with others.
[SV]:
Internal and external cleanliness being established, arises disgust for
one's own body, and non-intercourse with other bodies.
Do you guys think a-saMsarga refers specifically to sexual intercourse?
saMsargamfn. commingling , combining (intr.) Ka1tyS3r. ; m. (ifc. f.
%{A}) mixture or union together , commixture , blending , conjunction ,
connection , contact , association , society , sexual union ,
intercourse with (gen. instr. with and without %{saha} loc. , or comp.)
S3rS. Pra1t. MBh. c. [1120,1] ; confusion , Ma1nGrHariv. ; indulging in
, partaking of (comy.) R. Das3. BhP. ; sensual attachment Mn
Well, the form parair certainly is instrumental plural, but if it
referred specifically to female human
beans, we think it should be paraabhir...
[FairfieldLife] The Missionary Position
This morning, for some reason, I find myself pondering missionaries, and their all-important place in cults, religions, and other social fringe movements. In business, these people would be known as champions or cheerleaders, and their purpose is to help the company sell their products by saying positive things about them in public. Same with cults. That said, there are different *levels* of missionaries, and just for fun I'll detail some of them for you, in descending order of offensiveness: The Unpaid True Believer Missionary. On FFL, think 'merlin.' He's like a 'bot, doing nothing but parroting TM org propaganda. There is never a hint of personality, never an interaction with anyone here *except* to parrot propaganda, and (a plus) never a hint of negativity. He's just a 'bot, posting what he does to counter negativity and spread the Gospel or whatever the reason is that he tells himself he does what he does. The Paid Missionary. In the TM movement, think Bevan or Hagelin. While they may actually *be* True Believers, there is also a mercenary element involved, which *everyone* can feel as a vibe leaking through everything they say. Anyone listening to them can sense that one of the strongest reasons they say what they say is that their salaries would stop if they stopped saying it. This has a tendency to diminish credibility. The Unpaid Self-Appointed Benevolent Missionary. I can't think of any examples here on FFL, but I'm sure that somewhere these types exist. They just post TM propaganda because they're legitimately convinced that TM is what they were told it is, and they want to share it with others. The credibility of such missionaries is compromised mainly by their very enthusiasm; you get the feeling you're dealing with a blissninny or a fanatic, and no one believes either a blissninny or a fanatic. The Unpaid Self-Appointed Malevolent Missionary. This is the type most represented on FFL. You can always pinpoint them because they rarely -- if ever -- post anything supportive of TM or Maharishi or the TM-org without an *accompanying* putdown or insult. This type of missionary seems to be motivated primarily by anger and outrage, as if they are offended that anyone could DARE to challenge the Truth of something they never have. They are the polar opposite of the 'bots in that -- over time -- their credibility is diminished by the *sheer amount* of personality they bring to what they say. Their *personal* characteristics are often 180 degrees opposite of the qualities they're claiming TM develops in its long-term practitioners. The Unpaid Self-Appointed Non-Member Missionary. Similar to the former type, but even less credible *because they never learned the thing they're defending or proselytizing*. Think Ravi or Emily. These types of missionaries are in it for the attention, for the strokes they get from the previous group, and in the case of Ravi, as an opportunity to just act out the undirected anger he feels most of the time at the emptiness of his life, and direct it at people who have been declared by the previous group as designated enemies. All of this said, there is one group of TM missionaries that actually WORKS to promote TM. I would say that there are a few people here who fall into this category. You can tell who they are because they rarely, if ever, proselytize. They just demonstrate the supposed benefits of TM by *demonstrating* them, and by sharing what seem to be actual lives. I would class them as the ONLY effective missionaries of the bunch, and the ONLY ones with any credibility. YMMV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Missionary Position
Oh. I left out one important group: The Unpaid Celebrity Missionaries. This group is often intentionally recruited (a la Scientology) by TMO higher-ups, as was the case for the Beatles originally and still is for their surviving members. It is far more the case for more recent Celebrity Missionaries like David Lynch, Russell Brand, etc. Their importance to any cult or religion that uses them cannot be minimized, because THE PUBLIC IS STUPID. They believe that if someone famous wears or drives or practices something, they should, too. While a few of these Celebrity Missionaries may actually *be* doing what they're doing because they're True Believers (think Tom Cruise), others are doing it because their agents have reminded them that any publicity is good publicity and their PR flacks have reminded them that doing things for free for a supposedly good cause will improve their image. Celebrity Missionaries are often effective because of the aforementioned STUPID factor, but it can backfire when one employs a Celebrity Missionary who is over the hill and forgotten, such as using Donovan to tout TM these days. Most people's reaction to such a practice would be (as it was with him), Who? One of the additional drawbacks of using Celebrity Missionaries is that they might do something that embarrasses the cult, such as once-famous author and talk show guest Harold Bloomfeld being arrested for drugging and molesting his female patients. Same if Ringo or Paul get their photo taken by a paparazzi with a joint in their mouths, or if Heather Graham takes her clothes off in public other than in her movie roles. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This morning, for some reason, I find myself pondering missionaries, and their all-important place in cults, religions, and other social fringe movements. In business, these people would be known as champions or cheerleaders, and their purpose is to help the company sell their products by saying positive things about them in public. Same with cults. That said, there are different *levels* of missionaries, and just for fun I'll detail some of them for you, in descending order of offensiveness: The Unpaid True Believer Missionary. On FFL, think 'merlin.' He's like a 'bot, doing nothing but parroting TM org propaganda. There is never a hint of personality, never an interaction with anyone here *except* to parrot propaganda, and (a plus) never a hint of negativity. He's just a 'bot, posting what he does to counter negativity and spread the Gospel or whatever the reason is that he tells himself he does what he does. The Paid Missionary. In the TM movement, think Bevan or Hagelin. While they may actually *be* True Believers, there is also a mercenary element involved, which *everyone* can feel as a vibe leaking through everything they say. Anyone listening to them can sense that one of the strongest reasons they say what they say is that their salaries would stop if they stopped saying it. This has a tendency to diminish credibility. The Unpaid Self-Appointed Benevolent Missionary. I can't think of any examples here on FFL, but I'm sure that somewhere these types exist. They just post TM propaganda because they're legitimately convinced that TM is what they were told it is, and they want to share it with others. The credibility of such missionaries is compromised mainly by their very enthusiasm; you get the feeling you're dealing with a blissninny or a fanatic, and no one believes either a blissninny or a fanatic. The Unpaid Self-Appointed Malevolent Missionary. This is the type most represented on FFL. You can always pinpoint them because they rarely -- if ever -- post anything supportive of TM or Maharishi or the TM-org without an *accompanying* putdown or insult. This type of missionary seems to be motivated primarily by anger and outrage, as if they are offended that anyone could DARE to challenge the Truth of something they never have. They are the polar opposite of the 'bots in that -- over time -- their credibility is diminished by the *sheer amount* of personality they bring to what they say. Their *personal* characteristics are often 180 degrees opposite of the qualities they're claiming TM develops in its long-term practitioners. The Unpaid Self-Appointed Non-Member Missionary. Similar to the former type, but even less credible *because they never learned the thing they're defending or proselytizing*. Think Ravi or Emily. These types of missionaries are in it for the attention, for the strokes they get from the previous group, and in the case of Ravi, as an opportunity to just act out the undirected anger he feels most of the time at the emptiness of his life, and direct it at people who have been declared by the previous group as designated enemies. All of this said, there is one group of TM missionaries that actually WORKS to promote TM. I would say that there are a few people here who
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: (snip) Crop circles and aliens is difficult to believe for a number of reasons. Why would an alien civilisation try to make their presence known in such an ambiguous inept manner? Crop circles can be made using rope, wooden stakes, and wooden planks. This has been demonstrated many, many times. I don't believe anybody argues crop circles can't be made by humans, actually. I don't buy the aliens explanation either. But the more you read about crop circles, the less likely it seems that humans could have made *all* of them, given the time constraints and how extraordinarily elaborate many of them are. Not humans. Not aliens. Hedgehogs? I have no explanation, myself. But the rope-and-stakes-and- planks notion doesn't really do the trick. It's true. Some of them use those plastic garden rollers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
no robes either huh? Ever heard of a raja? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: why do you think that was wrong - haven't you met any off the wall people in TM? Oh, Michael. You know as well as I do that no official TM teacher would teach the way she describes. Either she was never initiated and made up her account based on piecing together little dribs and drabs she'd heard from others (and getting them seriously fouled up), or she has an incredibly bad memory and didn't bother to check with anybody else before she wrote her article. Either way, her story can't be trusted. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. http://www.alternet.org/economy/transcendental-meditation-how-i-paid-2500-password-inner-peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Missionary Position
What you outlined could be said of any organization. Did you come up with these categories yourself or did you glean these from someone's writings? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This morning, for some reason, I find myself pondering missionaries, and their all-important place in cults, religions, and other social fringe movements. In business, these people would be known as champions or cheerleaders, and their purpose is to help the company sell their products by saying positive things about them in public. Same with cults. That said, there are different *levels* of missionaries, and just for fun I'll detail some of them for you, in descending order of offensiveness: The Unpaid True Believer Missionary. On FFL, think 'merlin.' He's like a 'bot, doing nothing but parroting TM org propaganda. There is never a hint of personality, never an interaction with anyone here *except* to parrot propaganda, and (a plus) never a hint of negativity. He's just a 'bot, posting what he does to counter negativity and spread the Gospel or whatever the reason is that he tells himself he does what he does. The Paid Missionary. In the TM movement, think Bevan or Hagelin. While they may actually *be* True Believers, there is also a mercenary element involved, which *everyone* can feel as a vibe leaking through everything they say. Anyone listening to them can sense that one of the strongest reasons they say what they say is that their salaries would stop if they stopped saying it. This has a tendency to diminish credibility. The Unpaid Self-Appointed Benevolent Missionary. I can't think of any examples here on FFL, but I'm sure that somewhere these types exist. They just post TM propaganda because they're legitimately convinced that TM is what they were told it is, and they want to share it with others. The credibility of such missionaries is compromised mainly by their very enthusiasm; you get the feeling you're dealing with a blissninny or a fanatic, and no one believes either a blissninny or a fanatic. The Unpaid Self-Appointed Malevolent Missionary. This is the type most represented on FFL. You can always pinpoint them because they rarely -- if ever -- post anything supportive of TM or Maharishi or the TM-org without an *accompanying* putdown or insult. This type of missionary seems to be motivated primarily by anger and outrage, as if they are offended that anyone could DARE to challenge the Truth of something they never have. They are the polar opposite of the 'bots in that -- over time -- their credibility is diminished by the *sheer amount* of personality they bring to what they say. Their *personal* characteristics are often 180 degrees opposite of the qualities they're claiming TM develops in its long-term practitioners. The Unpaid Self-Appointed Non-Member Missionary. Similar to the former type, but even less credible *because they never learned the thing they're defending or proselytizing*. Think Ravi or Emily. These types of missionaries are in it for the attention, for the strokes they get from the previous group, and in the case of Ravi, as an opportunity to just act out the undirected anger he feels most of the time at the emptiness of his life, and direct it at people who have been declared by the previous group as designated enemies. All of this said, there is one group of TM missionaries that actually WORKS to promote TM. I would say that there are a few people here who fall into this category. You can tell who they are because they rarely, if ever, proselytize. They just demonstrate the supposed benefits of TM by *demonstrating* them, and by sharing what seem to be actual lives. I would class them as the ONLY effective missionaries of the bunch, and the ONLY ones with any credibility. YMMV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Ravi, I get it that your role here, and perhaps your envisioned role in life, is to deliver the ultimate truth of any situation. This is an ability you discovered as a young child. You are rarely wrong, (so you say), and if you find you are wrong, you will apologize. I guess that last part is thrown in as a technicality, even if it never appears to be the case. And let's be real about it. I think this was the basis of declaring yourself RaviGuru the new, great western yogi a few years back. That didn't seem to go over too well did it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Read it again Steve - there are enough qualifiers to keep you interested. Don't forget your record here - show me a single post of yours in the recent past where you have engaged in some kind of rational, intelligent discussion. I have a lot - don't push your luck. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:07 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** I'm glad you asked Ravi. It's all right here. How do you argue, or discuss something with someone who has this attitude? I know. You don't! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343429 Yes - I have a special ability, insight into judging people. Even electronic medium is no barrier. An intuition right from my childhood. It's untainted by any intellectual process - so powerful is my intuition and rarely does it go wrong. If I come after you, you bet your retarded ass it will stick, if not I will bend over backwards to apologize. All the people I have exposed had some deception, the level and intensity varies - and in many cases I wasn't even aware of it. It happens outside of my intellect. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Oh Steve - I yearn for more. How is it perfunctory and how is it negative? What was the spin, how was it skewed against Ms. Self-Avowed Shameless Share? What's your expert analysis - a few bullet points would help. Imagine a hockey game and provide us a post-game analysis. You can do this. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:41 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: snip Last but not least, Fundamentalists of all ilks have themselves been so severely shamed, that they themselves turn to shaming others in an attempt to salvage their damaged sense of well being.Ãâ IMHO. Excellent point Share. And yes, it does make you have compassion, or at least some degree of compassion for those who seek to spin whatever someone says, whom they dislike, into some sort of skewed conclusion. A prayer comes to mind that my grandmother used to tell me when I would spend the night at her house as a child, and we would talk about those less fortunate. There, but for the grace of God, go I I've read ahead here to the perfunctory negative replies from Ravi and Judy. They are just ramping up. Getting their barber straps out. Glad you are having a good time in Maryland. Thanks for sharing some of the details.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Everything else is right though, the white hanky, high price, but then you read to the end and follow the links to the plenty of accounts and you just get a typical disillusionment story from TM-Free and a blog of zero relevance. I think someone has done a bit of research into TM and acquired enough info to pass themselves off as an initiate so as to give the article extra weight. To anyone who does TM regularly it doesn't convince but to someone who doesn't The comments section is good though, apparently six million do TM now! I'm sure all the usual suspects are there with the fact sheet on the research and proof that bouncing up and down creates world peace. I dunno how they read to a non-practitioner would but to me they just underline how uncritically accepting of things the true believer can be. The facts here are somewhere in the middle of the hysteria from both sides. I could do a better anti-TM article. I could do a better pro-TM article too. http://www.alternet.org/economy/transcendental-meditation-how-i-paid-2500-password-inner-peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
This sounds like someone teacher is a little too full of themselves. Regardless of how you feel about TM, this is not the way it is commonly taught. Anyone who would use this as a reason or example to bash the TMO is not being objective and fair. This is a case of a rogue teacher or a writer who has a different motive. Either way it is a special case and not a pattern and it would be wise to see it as such. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: no robes either huh? Ever heard of a raja? From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: why do you think that was wrong - haven't you met any off the wall people in TM? Oh, Michael. You know as well as I do that no official TM teacher would teach the way she describes. Either she was never initiated and made up her account based on piecing together little dribs and drabs she'd heard from others (and getting them seriously fouled up), or she has an incredibly bad memory and didn't bother to check with anybody else before she wrote her article. Either way, her story can't be trusted. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. http://www.alternet.org/economy/transcendental-meditation-how-i-paid-2500-password-inner-peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think you're getting caught up in The Corrector's nitpicking and attempts to present the author of this piece in a bad light, and as having malevolent intent. She (the author), after all, introduces it as a remembrance of something that happened (and that she was underwhelmed by) *ten years earlier*. It is natural that she might remember a few things hazily or inaccurately. As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. As for the teacher wearing a robe, I have no explan- ations except that 1) she might have memory problems, 2) she might be embellishing things for effect, 3) she might have been dealing with one of the TM teacher nutcases I often had to deal with as a State Coordin- ator, who really *did* wear robes and sit on thrones, or 4) she might have been dealing with a TM teacher similar to Harold Bloomfeld, who was dressed in a robe because he was waiting for the drugs he'd slipped her to take effect so that he could molest her. :-) Anything is possible. The points of the article are sound, and valid -- TM is *hugely* overpriced, and simply not worth the price, TM is hyped as special and unique when it is anything but, and TM figures like MMY and David Lynch are *far* from as admirable as the TMO would like them to be. Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance, and captures how insanely WEIRD TM and all the hoopla surrounding how it is taught are. Judy is so far from that exper- ience that she can't remember how WEIRD it all is; the author of this piece is not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
Couldn't have expressed it better myself - I liked the article cuz it was different from all the bullshit TM fluff pieces D Lynch keeps getting placed through TM people who work for the papers and magazines. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think you're getting caught up in The Corrector's nitpicking and attempts to present the author of this piece in a bad light, and as having malevolent intent. She (the author), after all, introduces it as a remembrance of something that happened (and that she was underwhelmed by) *ten years earlier*. It is natural that she might remember a few things hazily or inaccurately. As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. As for the teacher wearing a robe, I have no explan- ations except that 1) she might have memory problems, 2) she might be embellishing things for effect, 3) she might have been dealing with one of the TM teacher nutcases I often had to deal with as a State Coordin- ator, who really *did* wear robes and sit on thrones, or 4) she might have been dealing with a TM teacher similar to Harold Bloomfeld, who was dressed in a robe because he was waiting for the drugs he'd slipped her to take effect so that he could molest her. :-) Anything is possible. The points of the article are sound, and valid -- TM is *hugely* overpriced, and simply not worth the price, TM is hyped as special and unique when it is anything but, and TM figures like MMY and David Lynch are *far* from as admirable as the TMO would like them to be. Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance, and captures how insanely WEIRD TM and all the hoopla surrounding how it is taught are. Judy is so far from that exper- ience that she can't remember how WEIRD it all is; the author of this piece is not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
You are inadvertently outlining the strengths of TM. It has been around for 50 years, and counting, despite attempts to distort it and criticize it, simply because TM is a unique form of meditation, that works. Any time there is a new technology introduced, there are the naysayers who proclaim it too costly, too crazy, or just plain useless. Just as with electricity, the automobile, and the cell phone, TM is here to stay. I know its kind of a tough pill to swallow, recognizing that the technique is not only robust, but continues to grow as well. Perhaps you want to work on your attachment to these ideas of TM being bad and wrong, while at the same time, recognizing its inevitable global growth. I am not saying you have to like it, but you may as well recognize the reality of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think you're getting caught up in The Corrector's nitpicking and attempts to present the author of this piece in a bad light, and as having malevolent intent. She (the author), after all, introduces it as a remembrance of something that happened (and that she was underwhelmed by) *ten years earlier*. It is natural that she might remember a few things hazily or inaccurately. As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. As for the teacher wearing a robe, I have no explan- ations except that 1) she might have memory problems, 2) she might be embellishing things for effect, 3) she might have been dealing with one of the TM teacher nutcases I often had to deal with as a State Coordin- ator, who really *did* wear robes and sit on thrones, or 4) she might have been dealing with a TM teacher similar to Harold Bloomfeld, who was dressed in a robe because he was waiting for the drugs he'd slipped her to take effect so that he could molest her. :-) Anything is possible. The points of the article are sound, and valid -- TM is *hugely* overpriced, and simply not worth the price, TM is hyped as special and unique when it is anything but, and TM figures like MMY and David Lynch are *far* from as admirable as the TMO would like them to be. Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance, and captures how insanely WEIRD TM and all the hoopla surrounding how it is taught are. Judy is so far from that exper- ience that she can't remember how WEIRD it all is; the author of this piece is not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think you're getting caught up in The Corrector's nitpicking and attempts to present the author of this piece in a bad light, and as having malevolent intent. She (the author), after all, introduces it as a remembrance of something that happened (and that she was underwhelmed by) *ten years earlier*. It is natural that she might remember a few things hazily or inaccurately. As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. We'll never know. Maybe she asked her boyfriend all about it, he can't even remember his mantra. I remember the whole thing clear as day 20 years on. But then, I really liked it. Maybe that's the difference? As for the teacher wearing a robe, I have no explan- ations except that 1) she might have memory problems, 2) she might be embellishing things for effect, 3) she might have been dealing with one of the TM teacher nutcases I often had to deal with as a State Coordin- ator, who really *did* wear robes and sit on thrones, or 4) she might have been dealing with a TM teacher similar to Harold Bloomfeld, who was dressed in a robe because he was waiting for the drugs he'd slipped her to take effect so that he could molest her. :-) I remember journalists in the local press who had come to stay at our academy writing that we all wore white robes. I don't know where they got it from, maybe they saw the purusha on their way to the bouncy room in their (mostly) white gear. Either way, they liked the idea of us in white robes so that's what got reported, true or not. Funny thing is if they'd caught sight of a raja ever, they would've had a field day. But that was a long way off at the time. I remember a TV slot about the Marshy school and the crew had asked the teachers if they could film students doing yoga to show how radically different a place it was. The only one of the set of asanas that made the edit was the bowing one. Very clever of them. Things like that used to annoy me but when you are in an unusual group like that people are going to have preconceived ideas or even their own agenda. Or they'll just make snap judgements and pick things to broadcast that reflect them. Unfortunately you don't find that out until later. Anything is possible. The points of the article are sound, and valid -- TM is *hugely* overpriced, and simply not worth the price, TM is hyped as special and unique when it is anything but, and TM figures like MMY and David Lynch are *far* from as admirable as the TMO would like them to be. Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance, and captures how insanely WEIRD TM and all the hoopla surrounding how it is taught are. Judy is so far from that exper- ience that she can't remember how WEIRD it all is; the author of this piece is not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think you're getting caught up in The Corrector's nitpicking and attempts to present the author of this piece in a bad light, and as having malevolent intent. She (the author), after all, introduces it as a remembrance of something that happened (and that she was underwhelmed by) *ten years earlier*. It is natural that she might remember a few things hazily or inaccurately. As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. As for the teacher wearing a robe, I have no explan- ations except that 1) she might have memory problems, 2) she might be embellishing things for effect, 3) she might have been dealing with one of the TM teacher nutcases I often had to deal with as a State Coordin- ator, who really *did* wear robes and sit on thrones, or 4) she might have been dealing with a TM teacher similar to Harold Bloomfeld, who was dressed in a robe because he was waiting for the drugs he'd slipped her to take effect so that he could molest her. :-) Anything is possible. The points of the article are sound, and valid -- TM is *hugely* overpriced, and simply not worth the price, TM is hyped as special and unique when it is anything but, and TM figures like MMY and David Lynch are *far* from as admirable as the TMO would like them to be. Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance, and captures how insanely WEIRD TM and all the hoopla surrounding how it is taught are. Judy is so far from that exper- ience that she can't remember how WEIRD it all is; the author of this piece is not. Weird? TM teachers, in their conservative clothing, speaking quietly and clearly about a simple technique, attending class room-like introductory lectures, attending a beautiful and settling puja as initiation 'ritual', sitting down with this conservative and quiet initiator in the silence and peacefulness of a room and meditating for the first time with guidance from this said teacher is hardly weird or bizarre, disturbing, threatening, mind blowing or fucked up. Give me a break Barry. Weird is having dedicated one's life, energy and intention to being a TM teacher for as long as you did and trying to convince all of us, virtually everyone here having been through the experience of initiation if not being an actual TM teacher, that TM is profoundly WEIRD in some way. The technique and the teaching of it is hardly that. Rajas and a whole slew of other Movement aberrations are weird but not TM itself of how it is taught. That part is as uncluttered, pristine and unweird as anything I have ever experienced.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
TM practice is dying off thank God, and this spurt created by D Lynch and his TM shill buddies is going to be short lived. As to your assertion that people try to distort it and criticize it, simply because TM is a unique form of meditation, that works is complete bullshit. People criticize it because it doesn't and has never delivered what Huckster Marshy promised in so many ways. And the fact that is packaged and delivered and promoted by what has become a bona fide cult - crowns, robes and fear of south facing entrances, anyone? From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace You are inadvertently outlining the strengths of TM. It has been around for 50 years, and counting, despite attempts to distort it and criticize it, simply because TM is a unique form of meditation, that works. Any time there is a new technology introduced, there are the naysayers who proclaim it too costly, too crazy, or just plain useless. Just as with electricity, the automobile, and the cell phone, TM is here to stay. I know its kind of a tough pill to swallow, recognizing that the technique is not only robust, but continues to grow as well. Perhaps you want to work on your attachment to these ideas of TM being bad and wrong, while at the same time, recognizing its inevitable global growth. I am not saying you have to like it, but you may as well recognize the reality of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think you're getting caught up in The Corrector's nitpicking and attempts to present the author of this piece in a bad light, and as having malevolent intent. She (the author), after all, introduces it as a remembrance of something that happened (and that she was underwhelmed by) *ten years earlier*. It is natural that she might remember a few things hazily or inaccurately. As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. As for the teacher wearing a robe, I have no explan- ations except that 1) she might have memory problems, 2) she might be embellishing things for effect, 3) she might have been dealing with one of the TM teacher nutcases I often had to deal with as a State Coordin- ator, who really *did* wear robes and sit on thrones, or 4) she might have been dealing with a TM teacher similar to Harold Bloomfeld, who was dressed in a robe because he was waiting for the drugs he'd slipped her to take effect so that he could molest her. :-) Anything is possible. The points of the article are sound, and valid -- TM is *hugely* overpriced, and simply not worth the price, TM is hyped as special and unique when it is anything but, and TM figures like MMY and David Lynch are *far* from as admirable as the TMO would like them to be. Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance, and captures how insanely WEIRD TM and all the hoopla surrounding how it is taught are. Judy is so far from that exper- ience that she can't remember how WEIRD it all is; the author of this piece is not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Any time there is a new technology introduced, there are the naysayers who proclaim it too costly, too crazy, or just plain useless. Just as with electricity, the automobile, and the cell phone, TM is here to stay. But is it as popular as the cell phone, electricity and the automobile? Meaning; how many who see the advert say I gotta get me one of those? And what percentage keep using it after a few months? I know its kind of a tough pill to swallow, recognizing that the technique is not only robust, but continues to grow as well. Perhaps you want to work on your attachment to these ideas of TM being bad and wrong, while at the same time, recognizing its inevitable global growth. People are always after something to give them an edge, TM keeps getting recycled via the latest batch of celebrities and is easy to market because of its history. But how many keep doing it compared to all the other things they try? I suspect there is a huge market of seekers who do everything once and finally end up seeing the blandness of the whole self-improvement scene. There is precious little we can do to change ourselves and TM, apart from the very few self-proclaimed enlightened that walk among us, promises so much but delivers so little at the end of the day. You have to be honest to realise the last bit. It isn't what you expected and didn't do half what it claimed - if that. But if you promise people everything, who isn't going to want to try? *That* is the genius of TM marketing, the whole shpeil from the unified field towards perfect health. It's damn clever and that's why it's still around. I am not saying you have to like it, but you may as well recognize the reality of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think you're getting caught up in The Corrector's nitpicking and attempts to present the author of this piece in a bad light, and as having malevolent intent. She (the author), after all, introduces it as a remembrance of something that happened (and that she was underwhelmed by) *ten years earlier*. It is natural that she might remember a few things hazily or inaccurately. As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. As for the teacher wearing a robe, I have no explan- ations except that 1) she might have memory problems, 2) she might be embellishing things for effect, 3) she might have been dealing with one of the TM teacher nutcases I often had to deal with as a State Coordin- ator, who really *did* wear robes and sit on thrones, or 4) she might have been dealing with a TM teacher similar to Harold Bloomfeld, who was dressed in a robe because he was waiting for the drugs he'd slipped her to take effect so that he could molest her. :-) Anything is possible. The points of the article are sound, and valid -- TM is *hugely* overpriced, and simply not worth the price, TM is hyped as special and unique when it is anything but, and TM figures like MMY and David Lynch are *far* from as admirable as the TMO would like them to be. Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance, and captures how insanely WEIRD TM and all the hoopla surrounding how it is taught are. Judy is so far from that exper- ience that she can't remember how WEIRD it all is; the author of this piece is not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Missionary Position
turquoiseb: This morning, for some reason, I find myself pondering missionaries, and their all-important place in cults, religions, and other social fringe movements... So, you're thinking about your old guru, Zen Master Rama and his computer business. How many years were you a missionary for Rama? Go figure. There are thousands of mantras. Everyone has favorites. I prefer three Aum, Sring, and Kring. - Zen Master Rama http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/mantras.html http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/mantras.html http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/mantras.html http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/mantras.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: no robes either huh? Ever heard of a raja? Wouldn't be doing initiations in robes. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: why do you think that was wrong - haven't you met any off the wall people in TM? Oh, Michael. You know as well as I do that no official TM teacher would teach the way she describes. Either she was never initiated and made up her account based on piecing together little dribs and drabs she'd heard from others (and getting them seriously fouled up), or she has an incredibly bad memory and didn't bother to check with anybody else before she wrote her article. Either way, her story can't be trusted. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace ÃÂ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. http://www.alternet.org/economy/transcendental-meditation-how-i-paid-2500-password-inner-peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance, and captures how insanely WEIRD TM and all the hoopla surrounding how it is taught are. Judy is so far from that exper- ience that she can't remember how WEIRD it all is; the author of this piece is not. Weird? TM teachers, in their conservative clothing, speaking quietly and clearly about a simple technique, attending class room-like introductory lectures, attending a beautiful and settling puja as initiation 'ritual'... ...bearing fruit, flowers and a clean white handkerchief, witnessing someone chanting in a foreign language to some Indian guy's painting on an altar, seeing rice, fire, and other things clearly *offered* to this guy, then finally being told to *kneel down* in front of this Indian guy to receive your oh-so-special-and-unique mantra (which is neither). You've clearly never taught TM. I have, and have had at least one deeply religious person (an Orthodox Jew) leave the room at that point and demand their money back. You spent *years* in an environment in which all of this was considered NORMAL, and everyday. It is not. The author of this piece is merely commenting on how abnormal and non-everyday it IS. BTW, don't try to run the pristine and unweird routine on someone who actually knows what the words of the puja actually SAY -- the number of Hindu gods named, the words that say I bow down to them after each offering, and who you're actually bowing TO at the end. You can try to pretend that this is not a traditional Hindu religious ceremony if you want, but don't expect those of us who actually read the translation of the puja and kept it lively in our minds as we were chanting it to agree with you if we're not still TBs, and thus still Up Denial Without A Paddle. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Everything else is right though, the white hanky, high price, but then you read to the end and follow the links to the plenty of accounts and you just get a typical disillusionment story from TM-Free and a blog of zero relevance. I think someone has done a bit of research into TM and acquired enough info to pass themselves off as an initiate so as to give the article extra weight. To anyone who does TM regularly it doesn't convince but to someone who doesn't That's what I think. The comments section is good though, apparently six million do TM now! I'm sure all the usual suspects are there with the fact sheet on the research and proof that bouncing up and down creates world peace. I dunno how they read to a non-practitioner would but to me they just underline how uncritically accepting of things the true believer can be. Most of the comments were negative, and they were uncritically accepting of what the writer said. The facts here are somewhere in the middle of the hysteria from both sides. I could do a better anti-TM article. I could do a better pro-TM article too. Yup. So could I. http://www.alternet.org/economy/transcendental-meditation-how-i-paid-2500-password-inner-peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
Michael Jackson: no robes either huh? Ever heard of a raja? So, you are prejudiced against Hindus because they wear a robe or a dhoti? Go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation why do you think that was wrong - haven't you met any off the wall people in TM? Oh, Michael. You know as well as I do that no official TM teacher would teach the way she describes. Either she was never initiated and made up her account based on piecing together little dribs and drabs she'd heard from others (and getting them seriously fouled up), or she has an incredibly bad memory and didn't bother to check with anybody else before she wrote her article. Either way, her story can't be trusted. A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. http://www.alternet.org/economy/transcendental-meditation-how-i-paid-250\ 0-password-inner-peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
Can you think of another product with no value, as you seem to suggest, that has been around for fifty years, simply because of the marketing geniuses behind it? I can't. Has to provide some value. As for it promising more than it delivers, again, if it were a pyramid scheme, as you suggest, it would not have the longevity that it does. Do you do TM? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Any time there is a new technology introduced, there are the naysayers who proclaim it too costly, too crazy, or just plain useless. Just as with electricity, the automobile, and the cell phone, TM is here to stay. But is it as popular as the cell phone, electricity and the automobile? Meaning; how many who see the advert say I gotta get me one of those? And what percentage keep using it after a few months? I know its kind of a tough pill to swallow, recognizing that the technique is not only robust, but continues to grow as well. Perhaps you want to work on your attachment to these ideas of TM being bad and wrong, while at the same time, recognizing its inevitable global growth. People are always after something to give them an edge, TM keeps getting recycled via the latest batch of celebrities and is easy to market because of its history. But how many keep doing it compared to all the other things they try? I suspect there is a huge market of seekers who do everything once and finally end up seeing the blandness of the whole self-improvement scene. There is precious little we can do to change ourselves and TM, apart from the very few self-proclaimed enlightened that walk among us, promises so much but delivers so little at the end of the day. You have to be honest to realise the last bit. It isn't what you expected and didn't do half what it claimed - if that. But if you promise people everything, who isn't going to want to try? *That* is the genius of TM marketing, the whole shpeil from the unified field towards perfect health. It's damn clever and that's why it's still around. I am not saying you have to like it, but you may as well recognize the reality of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think you're getting caught up in The Corrector's nitpicking and attempts to present the author of this piece in a bad light, and as having malevolent intent. She (the author), after all, introduces it as a remembrance of something that happened (and that she was underwhelmed by) *ten years earlier*. It is natural that she might remember a few things hazily or inaccurately. As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. As for the teacher wearing a robe, I have no explan- ations except that 1) she might have memory problems, 2) she might be embellishing things for effect, 3) she might have been dealing with one of the TM teacher nutcases I often had to deal with as a State Coordin- ator, who really *did* wear robes and sit on thrones, or 4) she might have been dealing with a TM teacher similar to Harold Bloomfeld, who was dressed in a robe because he was waiting for the drugs he'd slipped her to take effect so that he could molest her. :-) Anything is possible. The points of the article are sound, and valid -- TM is *hugely* overpriced, and simply not worth the price, TM is hyped as special and unique when it is anything but, and TM figures like MMY and David Lynch are *far* from as admirable as the TMO would like them to be. Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance,
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. Nuh-uh. The graduation ceremony at which she was given her mantra, according to her, came *after* she'd attended the intro, paid her fee, and sat through several days of instruction in how to meditate. Apparently you read the article; how could you have missed that? At least it took her 10 years to forget what happened; took you less than a day to forget what you'd just read. ;-) http://www.alternet.org/economy/transcendental-meditation-how-i-paid-2500-password-inner-peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
TM is taught in its own context. I visited a Cathedral in Puerto Vallarta recently, and the altar was beautiful, soaring columns and arches, although there for everyone to see, was Christ hanging on a cross, with thorns on his head, dying of torture. Makes the Puja seem awfully tame in comparison, don't you think? Funny thing, I had a large (3' x 5') beautiful painting of a puja, from Bali, above the family dining room table, for as long as I can remember (now hanging in my LR). Also an intricate wooden carving of Saraswati (also Balinese) on the mantle, and a brass Krishna, with ivory eyes, nearby. Weird? Where did you grow up, on a military base, or something? ;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance, and captures how insanely WEIRD TM and all the hoopla surrounding how it is taught are. Judy is so far from that exper- ience that she can't remember how WEIRD it all is; the author of this piece is not. Weird? TM teachers, in their conservative clothing, speaking quietly and clearly about a simple technique, attending class room-like introductory lectures, attending a beautiful and settling puja as initiation 'ritual'... ...bearing fruit, flowers and a clean white handkerchief, witnessing someone chanting in a foreign language to some Indian guy's painting on an altar, seeing rice, fire, and other things clearly *offered* to this guy, then finally being told to *kneel down* in front of this Indian guy to receive your oh-so-special-and-unique mantra (which is neither). You've clearly never taught TM. I have, and have had at least one deeply religious person (an Orthodox Jew) leave the room at that point and demand their money back. You spent *years* in an environment in which all of this was considered NORMAL, and everyday. It is not. The author of this piece is merely commenting on how abnormal and non-everyday it IS. BTW, don't try to run the pristine and unweird routine on someone who actually knows what the words of the puja actually SAY -- the number of Hindu gods named, the words that say I bow down to them after each offering, and who you're actually bowing TO at the end. You can try to pretend that this is not a traditional Hindu religious ceremony if you want, but don't expect those of us who actually read the translation of the puja and kept it lively in our minds as we were chanting it to agree with you if we're not still TBs, and thus still Up Denial Without A Paddle. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Xenophaneros: As the Buddhists say (actually probably the Taoists who greatly influenced Buddhism as it passed into China), if you do not see the Way, you do not see it even if you are walking on it. You do not need a funny hat either. That is for Maharishi's followers... According to MMY, the Buddhist, the gods are such for only a limited amount of time and they must all return to earth to be reborn as human beings, when their stock of good karma is depleted or runs out. The enlightened, according to MMY, are no longer operating under the natural law of karma - they are free and immortal, higher than even the highest devas, such as Indra, Prajapati, Brahma or even the Asvins. Such are the aspirations of the Enlightenment Tradition - 'the perfection of man'. In contrast to those who merely desire material gains or long for a dis-embodied temporary visit to the heaven of the gods, the enlightened individual goes to Nirvana, forever. According to the Siddhas, there are no enlightened beings up in heaven.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Can you think of another product with no value, as you seem to suggest, that has been around for fifty years, simply because of the marketing geniuses behind it? I can't. Has to provide some value. Most of the modern world has no value and exists because of marketing. To think otherwise is to fall into their greasy hands. Create a demand and sell to it is the mantra of today. As for it promising more than it delivers, again, if it were a pyramid scheme, as you suggest, it would not have the longevity that it does. Do you do TM? Yup. I'm one of the 1% that did it for more than a few months. But if I was to draw up a list of expectations gained from TM publicity material and compare them to how I am after 20 years I would say it fell way short of expectations. But I keep doing it because I like it, so it must do *something* To be honest, I just like the clarity I get from it occasionally but I know it's all just dopamine I don't have any beliefs in cosmic whatever. TM doesn't so much have longevity as it has a message that people of all ages are going to want to hear. As long as enough devotees get interested enough themselves to promote it and run the organisation it will keep going and reinvent itself every few years, as it has dome with the DLF. Marshy was clever, he realised that you had to keep people's enthusiasm up in the face of drainingly disappointing results so he'd reinvent the TMO every few years. First the SRM then the World Family, then...whatever, finally the GFWP and the DLF. People would have wandered off without that sort of inspiration, it took me one round of excitement at the New Idea and one Big Disappointment when it failed, to realise that they'd been doing this for decades and would do it for many more. This is good advertising, keep it fresh and it stays on the shelf. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Any time there is a new technology introduced, there are the naysayers who proclaim it too costly, too crazy, or just plain useless. Just as with electricity, the automobile, and the cell phone, TM is here to stay. But is it as popular as the cell phone, electricity and the automobile? Meaning; how many who see the advert say I gotta get me one of those? And what percentage keep using it after a few months? I know its kind of a tough pill to swallow, recognizing that the technique is not only robust, but continues to grow as well. Perhaps you want to work on your attachment to these ideas of TM being bad and wrong, while at the same time, recognizing its inevitable global growth. People are always after something to give them an edge, TM keeps getting recycled via the latest batch of celebrities and is easy to market because of its history. But how many keep doing it compared to all the other things they try? I suspect there is a huge market of seekers who do everything once and finally end up seeing the blandness of the whole self-improvement scene. There is precious little we can do to change ourselves and TM, apart from the very few self-proclaimed enlightened that walk among us, promises so much but delivers so little at the end of the day. You have to be honest to realise the last bit. It isn't what you expected and didn't do half what it claimed - if that. But if you promise people everything, who isn't going to want to try? *That* is the genius of TM marketing, the whole shpeil from the unified field towards perfect health. It's damn clever and that's why it's still around. I am not saying you have to like it, but you may as well recognize the reality of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think you're getting caught up in The Corrector's nitpicking and attempts to present the author of this piece in a bad light, and as having malevolent intent. She (the author), after all,
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: (snip) ...bearing fruit, flowers and a clean white handkerchief, witnessing someone chanting in a foreign language to some Indian guy's painting on an altar, seeing rice, fire, and other things clearly *offered* to this guy, then finally being told to *kneel down* in front of this Indian guy You *told* your initiates to kneel down?? The initiation instructions I've read say the teacher is supposed to make a gesture inviting the initiate to kneel, without saying anything, and to proceed with the initiation whether the initiate kneels or not. That's what my teacher did and what many other TMers have described. Never heard anyone say they were *told* to kneel. Oddly enough, the writer of the article didn't mention being invited to kneel. You'd think *that* would have stuck in her mind even if she got the other stuff all confused. (Salyavin, meant to tell you, she didn't mention the hanky, just the flowers.)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
She seems pissed that the course was so expensive. Assuming this was really a standard TM initiation, she seems to have confused the introductory lectures as being part of having already learned meditation before getting the mantra. In other words she has a confused memory. Or, more likely in my opinion, she has given a spin to the article to ward off others who might want to learn. On the other hand, TM initiation hardly looks like something secular. Before I got the 'spiritual bug', I would never get involved in something like this, but because I had had certain experiences, and sought out meditation deliberately from that point, it did not matter so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no robes either huh? Ever heard of a raja? Wouldn't be doing initiations in robes. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: why do you think that was wrong - haven't you met any off the wall people in TM? Oh, Michael. You know as well as I do that no official TM teacher would teach the way she describes. Either she was never initiated and made up her account based on piecing together little dribs and drabs she'd heard from others (and getting them seriously fouled up), or she has an incredibly bad memory and didn't bother to check with anybody else before she wrote her article. Either way, her story can't be trusted. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace ÃÂ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. http://www.alternet.org/economy/transcendental-meditation-how-i-paid-2500-password-inner-peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: (snip) Crop circles and aliens is difficult to believe for a number of reasons. Why would an alien civilisation try to make their presence known in such an ambiguous inept manner? Crop circles can be made using rope, wooden stakes, and wooden planks. This has been demonstrated many, many times. I don't believe anybody argues crop circles can't be made by humans, actually. I don't buy the aliens explanation either. But the more you read about crop circles, the less likely it seems that humans could have made *all* of them, given the time constraints and how extraordinarily elaborate many of them are. Not humans. Not aliens. Hedgehogs? I have no explanation, myself. But the rope-and-stakes-and- planks notion doesn't really do the trick. It's true. Some of them use those plastic garden rollers. You laugh, but in between the nitwit New Agers and the hard skeptics is a layer of scientifically minded investigators who are genuinely puzzled by the weirder aspects of the phenomenon (and some of them are *very* weird). And no, plastic garden rollers doesn't do the trick either. There really is more to it than you think, including extremely odd effects on the crop plants that aren't found in circles known to have been human-made.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
I never used the word pyramid - TM has some beneficial effects and some negative effects one of which is a sort of addictive quality that Curtis commented on recently - for sure TM is not in any way superior to any other meditations out there. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace Can you think of another product with no value, as you seem to suggest, that has been around for fifty years, simply because of the marketing geniuses behind it? I can't. Has to provide some value. As for it promising more than it delivers, again, if it were a pyramid scheme, as you suggest, it would not have the longevity that it does. Do you do TM? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Any time there is a new technology introduced, there are the naysayers who proclaim it too costly, too crazy, or just plain useless. Just as with electricity, the automobile, and the cell phone, TM is here to stay. But is it as popular as the cell phone, electricity and the automobile? Meaning; how many who see the advert say I gotta get me one of those? And what percentage keep using it after a few months? I know its kind of a tough pill to swallow, recognizing that the technique is not only robust, but continues to grow as well. Perhaps you want to work on your attachment to these ideas of TM being bad and wrong, while at the same time, recognizing its inevitable global growth. People are always after something to give them an edge, TM keeps getting recycled via the latest batch of celebrities and is easy to market because of its history. But how many keep doing it compared to all the other things they try? I suspect there is a huge market of seekers who do everything once and finally end up seeing the blandness of the whole self-improvement scene. There is precious little we can do to change ourselves and TM, apart from the very few self-proclaimed enlightened that walk among us, promises so much but delivers so little at the end of the day. You have to be honest to realise the last bit. It isn't what you expected and didn't do half what it claimed - if that. But if you promise people everything, who isn't going to want to try? *That* is the genius of TM marketing, the whole shpeil from the unified field towards perfect health. It's damn clever and that's why it's still around. I am not saying you have to like it, but you may as well recognize the reality of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the initiations. It's the first law of journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think you're getting caught up in The Corrector's nitpicking and attempts to present the author of this piece in a bad light, and as having malevolent intent. She (the author), after all, introduces it as a remembrance of something that happened (and that she was underwhelmed by) *ten years earlier*. It is natural that she might remember a few things hazily or inaccurately. As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. As for the teacher wearing a robe, I have no explan- ations except that 1) she might have memory problems, 2) she might be embellishing things for effect, 3) she might have been dealing with one of the TM teacher nutcases I often had to deal with as a State Coordin- ator, who really *did* wear robes and sit on thrones, or 4) she might have been dealing with a TM teacher similar to Harold Bloomfeld, who was dressed in a robe because he was waiting for the drugs he'd slipped her to take effect so that he could molest her. :-) Anything is possible. The points of the article are sound, and valid -- TM is *hugely*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
Marshy was just like all these New Age screwballs who know that they always have to keep giving their followers something fresh, something new to make them think they are getting something more - its just smoke and mirrors. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Can you think of another product with no value, as you seem to suggest, that has been around for fifty years, simply because of the marketing geniuses behind it? I can't. Has to provide some value. Most of the modern world has no value and exists because of marketing. To think otherwise is to fall into their greasy hands. Create a demand and sell to it is the mantra of today. As for it promising more than it delivers, again, if it were a pyramid scheme, as you suggest, it would not have the longevity that it does. Do you do TM? Yup. I'm one of the 1% that did it for more than a few months. But if I was to draw up a list of expectations gained from TM publicity material and compare them to how I am after 20 years I would say it fell way short of expectations. But I keep doing it because I like it, so it must do *something* To be honest, I just like the clarity I get from it occasionally but I know it's all just dopamine I don't have any beliefs in cosmic whatever. TM doesn't so much have longevity as it has a message that people of all ages are going to want to hear. As long as enough devotees get interested enough themselves to promote it and run the organisation it will keep going and reinvent itself every few years, as it has dome with the DLF. Marshy was clever, he realised that you had to keep people's enthusiasm up in the face of drainingly disappointing results so he'd reinvent the TMO every few years. First the SRM then the World Family, then...whatever, finally the GFWP and the DLF. People would have wandered off without that sort of inspiration, it took me one round of excitement at the New Idea and one Big Disappointment when it failed, to realise that they'd been doing this for decades and would do it for many more. This is good advertising, keep it fresh and it stays on the shelf. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Any time there is a new technology introduced, there are the naysayers who proclaim it too costly, too crazy, or just plain useless. Just as with electricity, the automobile, and the cell phone, TM is here to stay. But is it as popular as the cell phone, electricity and the automobile? Meaning; how many who see the advert say I gotta get me one of those? And what percentage keep using it after a few months? I know its kind of a tough pill to swallow, recognizing that the technique is not only robust, but continues to grow as well. Perhaps you want to work on your attachment to these ideas of TM being bad and wrong, while at the same time, recognizing its inevitable global growth. People are always after something to give them an edge, TM keeps getting recycled via the latest batch of celebrities and is easy to market because of its history. But how many keep doing it compared to all the other things they try? I suspect there is a huge market of seekers who do everything once and finally end up seeing the blandness of the whole self-improvement scene. There is precious little we can do to change ourselves and TM, apart from the very few self-proclaimed enlightened that walk among us, promises so much but delivers so little at the end of the day. You have to be honest to realise the last bit. It isn't what you expected and didn't do half what it claimed - if that. But if you promise people everything, who isn't going to want to try? *That* is the genius of TM marketing, the whole shpeil from the unified field towards perfect health. It's damn clever and that's why it's still around. I am not saying you have to like it, but you may as well recognize the reality of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the
[FairfieldLife] TM Suits and Robes
Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
This paragraph from near the beginning of her article is so muddled and confusing that I can't take anything she says seriously. Over several courses, I learned to sit with my eyes closed and just let my thoughts flow until I began to feel a sense of peaceful awareness come over me. There was no need to concentrate or sit in any particular way, or refrain from scratching my nose. A steady flow of references to scientific studies promising increased intelligence and emotional development padded what was otherwise a pretty straightforward lesson on sitting still and chilling out. After the completion of the course, there was a special graduation ceremony in which students were given individual mantras to use in our practice. This was the first real whiff of spirituality. I was told to bring an offering of flowers to meet the instructor, who now appeared wearing a robe. He solemnly told me that he had a special word to give me that was mine alone and would be the key to my successful practice of TM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. Nuh-uh. The graduation ceremony at which she was given her mantra, according to her, came *after* she'd attended the intro, paid her fee, and sat through several days of instruction in how to meditate. Apparently you read the article; how could you have missed that? At least it took her 10 years to forget what happened; took you less than a day to forget what you'd just read. ;-) http://www.alternet.org/economy/transcendental-meditation-how-i-paid-2500-password-inner-peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: She seems pissed that the course was so expensive. Assuming this was really a standard TM initiation, she seems to have confused the introductory lectures as being part of having already learned meditation before getting the mantra. In other words she has a confused memory. Or, more likely in my opinion, she has given a spin to the article to ward off others who might want to learn. Well, that's a given. But I've read any number of articles with that same spin that described the course accurately. Here's what she writes: - During the free intro, I heard a lot about scientific reports on the benefits of TM, like reducing stress and releasing creativity. It sounded reasonable enough, and I was impressed that the people in the room looked pretty normal. The instructor didn't go into any religious stuff and could have easily fit into a corporate office with his clean-cut appearance and fondness for graphs and charts. The technique, he assured the class, was easy to learn and could provide a lifetime of benefits for both mind and body. We were invited to consider taking a beginner course, after which we would have access to a lifetime of free followup and support. Then came the kicker: the price of a beginner course was $2,500. I gulped. That was quite a pricetag. But at this point, I was already looking forward to my transformation. Wasn't inner peace worth it? I rationalized that people paid far more than this for therapy in New York City, and after all, I had hard evidence from my boyfriend that the technique could have long-lasting effects. I had just landed a lucrative ghostwriting contract, and if learning TM would make me less stressed and more productive, it would be worth it, right? My inner skeptic was silenced. I went for it. Over several courses, I learned to sit with my eyes closed and just let my thoughts flow until I began to feel a sense of peaceful awareness come over me. There was no need to concentrate or sit in any particular way, or refrain from scratching my nose. A steady flow of references to scientific studies promising increased intelligence and emotional development padded what was otherwise a pretty straightforward lesson on sitting still and chilling out. After the completion of the course, there was a special graduation ceremony in which students were given individual mantras to use in our practice. This was the first real whiff of spirituality. I was told to bring an offering of flowers to meet the instructor, who now appeared wearing a robe. He solemnly told me that he had a special word to give me that was mine alone and would be the key to my successful practice of TM. I know something about you, he said, staring meaningfully into my eyes. And that's why I'm giving you this particular mantra. I was no longer a student in a class, but an initiate into a special order of enlightened beings. I was invited to attend group meditation sessions where the combined force of our effort would increase harmonic vibrations of the universe and contribute to global peace. Or something like that. - I don't think she ever took the course. She's obviously not confusing the intro stuff with the actual instruction, but she has the order of instruction reversed, with initiation coming at the end (graduation). Whatever other details have been wrong in other articles, I've never seen one that has put the most memorable part of the instruction last rather than first, or suggested that students were taught how to meditate without a mantra. And she doesn't even mention the puja, which is arguably the most potentially off-putting element of personal instruction (apart from the fee, which she deals with extensively elsewhere in the article). Could all be severe memory problems, I suppose, but a responsible journalist would have realized her memory was hazy and checked things out before writing the article.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits? They have no minds of their own, and are just following the lead of someone who once dressed that way and got Maharishi's attention? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: We all understand what it means to say everyone is enlightened, Xeno. As true as it may be on one level, some of us think it's unhelpful and counterproductive, even obfuscatory, when used in an exchange like that quoted above. [post #343925] As you present this Judy, yes. But it is not ultimately unhelpful. These kinds of statements have a purpose. They program the mind so that when awakening finally occurs, the mind has something to hold on to; gives it an anchor. Some people are very disoriented upon waking up because the character of the experience is so different from what they expected, from what they had been led to believe or what they made of what was said about it (in a reasonably decent tradition, it would be the latter). In the meantime the somewhat cryptic and seemingly irrational nature of the statement can provoke a curiosity in some to just ponder what it might mean because obviously the mind can only formulate an intellectual picture based on imagination. This kind of pondering, contemplative thinking can also push the mind to expand. Contemplative thinking seems to be less evident in the TM tradition than in some others. It comes to some people more naturally than others. So these kinds of statements, such as Maharishi saying 'in unity consciousness nothing ever happened', or the statement 'you are already enlightened', or 'if you do not see the way, you do not see it even if you walk on it' (this is from the Sandokai, a foundational poem for Zen Buddhism), kind of lie dormant, but they come to life when the individual wakes up out of their individuality. Then the mind can say 'oh, that's what that meant', and the disorientation that could have happened instead becomes recognition. I wasn't trying to bamboozle Nabby. Nabby and everyone else has the full value of being inside, outside, through and through. We could not discover it if it were not. The only difference is if you think it is something other than what you are experiencing as ordinary everyday experience, something you have to look for, you do not see it. All the practices we do are just to get the mind to stop dead and give up looking. It is so odd it can take such a long time to come to a truly persistent standstill.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: This paragraph from near the beginning of her article is so muddled and confusing that I can't take anything she says seriously. And oddly enough, this woman is one of AlterNet's senior editors, so she presumably has plenty of article-writing, even expose-writing, experience. If this article is the best she can do in terms of accuracy, I don't know whether anything else she writes can be trusted either. Over several courses, I learned to sit with my eyes closed and just let my thoughts flow until I began to feel a sense of peaceful awareness come over me. There was no need to concentrate or sit in any particular way, or refrain from scratching my nose. A steady flow of references to scientific studies promising increased intelligence and emotional development padded what was otherwise a pretty straightforward lesson on sitting still and chilling out. After the completion of the course, there was a special graduation ceremony in which students were given individual mantras to use in our practice. This was the first real whiff of spirituality. I was told to bring an offering of flowers to meet the instructor, who now appeared wearing a robe. He solemnly told me that he had a special word to give me that was mine alone and would be the key to my successful practice of TM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip As for the end of the course thang, that is how a number of people I've taught thought of the two introductory lectures, as the course, the rest being (for them) something else, maybe the part where they actually got taught something that cost money. :-) This author may have thought similarly. Nuh-uh. The graduation ceremony at which she was given her mantra, according to her, came *after* she'd attended the intro, paid her fee, and sat through several days of instruction in how to meditate. Apparently you read the article; how could you have missed that? At least it took her 10 years to forget what happened; took you less than a day to forget what you'd just read. ;-) http://www.alternet.org/economy/transcendental-meditation-how-i-paid-2500-password-inner-peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: (snip) Crop circles and aliens is difficult to believe for a number of reasons. Why would an alien civilisation try to make their presence known in such an ambiguous inept manner? Crop circles can be made using rope, wooden stakes, and wooden planks. This has been demonstrated many, many times. I don't believe anybody argues crop circles can't be made by humans, actually. I don't buy the aliens explanation either. But the more you read about crop circles, the less likely it seems that humans could have made *all* of them, given the time constraints and how extraordinarily elaborate many of them are. Not humans. Not aliens. Hedgehogs? I have no explanation, myself. But the rope-and-stakes-and- planks notion doesn't really do the trick. It's true. Some of them use those plastic garden rollers. You laugh, but in between the nitwit New Agers and the hard skeptics is a layer of scientifically minded investigators who are genuinely puzzled by the weirder aspects of the phenomenon (and some of them are *very* weird). And no, plastic garden rollers doesn't do the trick either. There really is more to it than you think, including extremely odd effects on the crop plants that aren't found in circles known to have been human-made. Or someone has a battery powered microwave oven inside the garden roller. Or the army are testing sonic weapons. Eliminate the impossible and whatever is left, however unlikely, must be the truth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: We all understand what it means to say everyone is enlightened, Xeno. As true as it may be on one level, some of us think it's unhelpful and counterproductive, even obfuscatory, when used in an exchange like that quoted above. [post #343925] As you present this Judy, yes. But it is not ultimately unhelpful. My comment was on your use of it in the quoted exchange, and your remark suggesting that more Buddhists understand it (than the folks on FFL, presumably). There are things to be said along these general lines that could be helpful, ultimately or immediately. But the flat statement Everyone is enlightened has no informational content in and of itself. It's only informational as a counter to the statement Not everyone is enlightened, but it doesn't *negate* that statement: (snip) I wasn't trying to bamboozle Nabby. Nabby and everyone else has the full value of being inside, outside, through and through. We could not discover it if it were not. The only difference is if you think it is something other than what you are experiencing as ordinary everyday experience, something you have to look for, you do not see it. All the practices we do are just to get the mind to stop dead and give up looking. It is so odd it can take such a long time to come to a truly persistent standstill. And it's this difference that validates the statement Not everyone is enlightened. While I'm at it, though, I'd like to suggest that you make it clearer that you're talking about *your* experience. You make a lot of general statements as if your experience is the final answer, the standard, and I'm not at all sure that's something you could possibly know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
Thanks for your reply. Most of the modern world has no value and exists because of marketing. To think otherwise is to fall into their greasy hands. Off topic, I read a very interesting essay about the proliferation of mustard varieties at the supermarket, and yet when the same thing has been attempted with ketchup, it falls flat. Glad you are meditating. I agree that the claims made are big, though the results are pretty big too. I enjoy the continuous expansion of awareness and dissolving of boundaries. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Can you think of another product with no value, as you seem to suggest, that has been around for fifty years, simply because of the marketing geniuses behind it? I can't. Has to provide some value. Most of the modern world has no value and exists because of marketing. To think otherwise is to fall into their greasy hands. Create a demand and sell to it is the mantra of today. As for it promising more than it delivers, again, if it were a pyramid scheme, as you suggest, it would not have the longevity that it does. Do you do TM? Yup. I'm one of the 1% that did it for more than a few months. But if I was to draw up a list of expectations gained from TM publicity material and compare them to how I am after 20 years I would say it fell way short of expectations. But I keep doing it because I like it, so it must do *something* To be honest, I just like the clarity I get from it occasionally but I know it's all just dopamine I don't have any beliefs in cosmic whatever. TM doesn't so much have longevity as it has a message that people of all ages are going to want to hear. As long as enough devotees get interested enough themselves to promote it and run the organisation it will keep going and reinvent itself every few years, as it has dome with the DLF. Marshy was clever, he realised that you had to keep people's enthusiasm up in the face of drainingly disappointing results so he'd reinvent the TMO every few years. First the SRM then the World Family, then...whatever, finally the GFWP and the DLF. People would have wandered off without that sort of inspiration, it took me one round of excitement at the New Idea and one Big Disappointment when it failed, to realise that they'd been doing this for decades and would do it for many more. This is good advertising, keep it fresh and it stays on the shelf. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Any time there is a new technology introduced, there are the naysayers who proclaim it too costly, too crazy, or just plain useless. Just as with electricity, the automobile, and the cell phone, TM is here to stay. But is it as popular as the cell phone, electricity and the automobile? Meaning; how many who see the advert say I gotta get me one of those? And what percentage keep using it after a few months? I know its kind of a tough pill to swallow, recognizing that the technique is not only robust, but continues to grow as well. Perhaps you want to work on your attachment to these ideas of TM being bad and wrong, while at the same time, recognizing its inevitable global growth. People are always after something to give them an edge, TM keeps getting recycled via the latest batch of celebrities and is easy to market because of its history. But how many keep doing it compared to all the other things they try? I suspect there is a huge market of seekers who do everything once and finally end up seeing the blandness of the whole self-improvement scene. There is precious little we can do to change ourselves and TM, apart from the very few self-proclaimed enlightened that walk among us, promises so much but delivers so little at the end of the day. You have to be honest to realise the last bit. It isn't what you expected and didn't do half what it claimed - if that. But if you promise people everything, who isn't going to want to try? *That* is the genius of TM marketing, the whole shpeil from the unified field towards perfect health. It's damn clever and that's why it's still around. I am not saying you have to like it, but you may as well recognize the reality of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: (snip) Crop circles and aliens is difficult to believe for a number of reasons. Why would an alien civilisation try to make their presence known in such an ambiguous inept manner? Crop circles can be made using rope, wooden stakes, and wooden planks. This has been demonstrated many, many times. I don't believe anybody argues crop circles can't be made by humans, actually. I don't buy the aliens explanation either. But the more you read about crop circles, the less likely it seems that humans could have made *all* of them, given the time constraints and how extraordinarily elaborate many of them are. Not humans. Not aliens. Hedgehogs? I have no explanation, myself. But the rope-and-stakes-and- planks notion doesn't really do the trick. It's true. Some of them use those plastic garden rollers. You laugh, but in between the nitwit New Agers and the hard skeptics is a layer of scientifically minded investigators who are genuinely puzzled by the weirder aspects of the phenomenon (and some of them are *very* weird). And no, plastic garden rollers doesn't do the trick either. There really is more to it than you think, including extremely odd effects on the crop plants that aren't found in circles known to have been human-made. Or someone has a battery powered microwave oven inside the garden roller. Or the army are testing sonic weapons. Eliminate the impossible and whatever is left, however unlikely, must be the truth. That assumes we know unerringly the limits of the possible. As a corollary, Occam's razor works only in an adequate frame of reference.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:01 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits? They have no minds of their own, and are just following the lead of someone who once dressed that way and got Maharishi's attention? :-) Maharishi often advised people on how to dress, or stated preferences.
[FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult?
From: Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpract...@e.evolvingwisdom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: r...@searchsummit.com Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnow that's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become obvious that waking up from the trance needs to happen again and again, in many little moments of choice. This is what I mean by practice --- that choice to live deliberately, to embrace a way of life that's fully alive, always evolving, spontaneously in-the-moment, self-aware, humorous and free. (This is the core of the Integral Spiritual Practice http://click.e.evolvingwisdom.com/?qs=25c601ea8e0de1d61695affe716d537855c77 379117f20a921a45c29a6b5363e05cb13fd718cfdc9 I teach.) From this perspective, yes, you're in the big Cult, the one that keeps re-hypnotizing you back into the consensus trance. The point is this: you can leave the cult now --- in this very moment. May you do so, and may you keep leaving it, by waking up! Again and again and again --- every day, for the rest of your life. To your practice and awakening and freedom, Terry P.S. If you'd like to comment on this blog you can do so here http://click.e.evolvingwisdom.com/?qs=25c601ea8e0de1d6d814fa7ddb98dce1b67dc d1b067775bab011d9905329524d43cec6b0fb51020d . http://click.e.evolvingwisdom.com/open.aspx?ffcb10-fe9a16757767047574-fdf61 6717462027f7c11-fea315707364077f75-fecb167076670c79-fe2617727664027a701c 77-ff981675d=40026
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits? They have no minds of their own, and are just following the lead of someone who once dressed that way and got Maharishi's attention? :-) Letting your freak flag fly, and all, I am pretty sure you aren't bopping into your latest corporate gig, stylin' huarache sandals and a headband. Do they even let you play your Bruce Cockburn songs, softly, in your cube?
[FairfieldLife] Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
In jyotish, yellow and gold are the colors for Jupiter, the Guru among the Vedic pantheon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits?
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Goddess Ninmah janetlessin@... wrote: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley Stockwell Nicholas, who heads the International Hypnosis Foundation tells listeners how to hypnotize themselves to remove negative programming, feel good and achieve their goals. She teaches how to channel guides. Click Link to Listen http://aquarianradio.com/2013/05/10/hypnosis-and-channeling-shelley-stockwell-nicholas/
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: (snip) Crop circles and aliens is difficult to believe for a number of reasons. Why would an alien civilisation try to make their presence known in such an ambiguous inept manner? Crop circles can be made using rope, wooden stakes, and wooden planks. This has been demonstrated many, many times. I don't believe anybody argues crop circles can't be made by humans, actually. I don't buy the aliens explanation either. But the more you read about crop circles, the less likely it seems that humans could have made *all* of them, given the time constraints and how extraordinarily elaborate many of them are. Not humans. Not aliens. Hedgehogs? I have no explanation, myself. But the rope-and-stakes-and- planks notion doesn't really do the trick. It's true. Some of them use those plastic garden rollers. You laugh, but in between the nitwit New Agers and the hard skeptics is a layer of scientifically minded investigators who are genuinely puzzled by the weirder aspects of the phenomenon (and some of them are *very* weird). And no, plastic garden rollers doesn't do the trick either. There really is more to it than you think, including extremely odd effects on the crop plants that aren't found in circles known to have been human-made. Or someone has a battery powered microwave oven inside the garden roller. Or the army are testing sonic weapons. Eliminate the impossible and whatever is left, however unlikely, must be the truth. That assumes we know unerringly the limits of the possible. It has been more than adequately demonstrated that a bunch of guys with planks can make even the most complicated mathematically designed motiffs in the tiny amount of darkness you get midsummer in England. The BBC even did an episode of Horizon about it. I was surprised as I had always thought they must be using laser sights or GPS to get that sort of accuracy but nope, it's all done with a drawing, planks and real ale. As a corollary, Occam's razor works only in an adequate frame of reference. I'll be astonished if we need even that. The true art of magic is getting people to think you are doing something complex when you really aren't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:01 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Michael Jackson mjackson74@ mailto:mjackson74@ wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits? They have no minds of their own, and are just following the lead of someone who once dressed that way and got Maharishi's attention? :-) Maharishi often advised people on how to dress, or stated preferences. I commented on the ubiquity of blue suits, white shirts and red ties to a TB chap I worked with and he said that someone had come in dressed like that once, and Marshy had said He looks good. By the end of the month everyone had the same outfit!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits? They have no minds of their own, and are just following the lead of someone who once dressed that way and got Maharishi's attention? :-) Letting your freak flag fly, and all, I am pretty sure you aren't bopping into your latest corporate gig, stylin' huarache sandals and a headband. Do they even let you play your Bruce Cockburn songs, softly, in your cube? I'll reply to this merely to point out how out of touch or essentially conservative and non-freak you are. I work again (as many may have guessed) for IBM, in the same offices that used to be ILOG, the French AI company I worked for before IBM acquired it. Today I wore sandals, jeans, and a T-shirt that says, You can't take the sky from me (a line from Firefly) to work. In the entire building, no one was wearing a suit, including the executives. Everyone was pretty much dressed the way they wanted to, in fact. Our IBM office was chosen from among literally thousands of others to work on the project I'm assigned to *because* the project is at the very top of IBM's Priority List. Without exaggeration, no other project within IBM is seen as being of greater impact to IBM's future and its future bottom line than Worklight. When you have a bunch of developers and information development specialists who have proved their worth in the past, and have consistently produced the best quality work in all of IBM, you don't fuck with that by telling them what to wear. If you had to deal with that, I feel for you. Why didn't you just quit and work for more interesting companies?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
You tell em --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits? They have no minds of their own, and are just following the lead of someone who once dressed that way and got Maharishi's attention? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
turquoise: You spent *years* in an environment in which all of this was considered NORMAL, and everyday. It is not. The author of this piece is merely commenting on how abnormal and non-everyday it IS. Oh stop it Barry, you're sounding like an informant. Everything aids everything because all things are a reflection of the Buddha mind or the mind of enlightenment. - Zen Master Rama http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/buddhist_cosmology.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: (snip) Weird? TM teachers, in their conservative clothing, speaking quietly and clearly about a simple technique, attending class room-like introductory lectures, attending a beautiful and settling puja as initiation 'ritual'... ...bearing fruit, flowers and a clean white handkerchief, witnessing someone chanting in a foreign language to some Indian guy's painting on an altar, seeing rice, fire, and other things clearly *offered* to this guy, then finally being told to *kneel down* in front of this Indian guy to receive your oh-so-special-and-unique mantra (which is neither). (snip) You spent *years* in an environment in which all of this was considered NORMAL, and everyday. It is not. The author of this piece is merely commenting on how abnormal and non-everyday it IS. No, she isn't. She didn't mention the puja at all in her piece (or that she brought hanky or fruit, for that matter, just the flowers). I thought you actually read the article, but apparently you didn't--you've just *assumed* you knew what was in it, and, as usual, gotten it wrong.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
Michael Jackson: Marshy was just like all these New Age screwballs who know that they always have to keep giving their followers something fresh, something new to make them think they are getting something more - its just smoke and mirrors. Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. -- Eleanor Roosevelt Can you think of another product with no value, as you seem to suggest, that has been around for fifty years, simply because of the marketing geniuses behind it? I can't. Has to provide some value.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. I doubt hypnosis does anything to you that experience doesn't. Basically we get to be how we are by what happens to us. Hypnosis just replaces negative programming we can get from life with something more positive of our choice rather than the unwitting engrams from the school of hard knocks. NLP and psychotherapy do the same thing, introduce a new idea and repeat it and it will stick after a while and become your new default response to whatever it was that's bothering you. This is of course at odds with TM teaching that all problems are caused by stress and that all stress can be released through TM. The biggest problem with relying on TM as a therapy is that you don't get to choose which bit is released next and instead hope that the system somehow settles itself down enough for you to feel acceptably transformed. This inefficiency of TM probably goes a long way to explaining why so many TMers I meet take anti-depressants or see therapists etc. There are too many still seeking peace in the TMO for it to be considered a good therapeutic technique. That'd make a good study for MUM?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits? turquoise: They have no minds of their own, and are just following the lead of someone who once dressed that way and got Maharishi's attention? :-) You probably saw this one coming: Zen Master Rama used to wear a suit and tie. LoL! Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApCYLHp4TbM
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. Isn't it just a *trip* that so many people assume it does? You don't necessarily find this assumption in main- stream (read, not Fundamentalist and Supremicist) Hinduism, or much of Buddhism, or even avant-garde Christianity. The belief in God (or the unified field or whatever you want to call it) as having a Will and/or having a Plan for All Of This is not a given at all. Many think as I do that if such a thing as a fundamental, core level of existence as God or the Absolute or insert euphemism of your choice exists, it's just so NOT That Kinda Guy. It has been described by the great mystics and spir- itual leaders of the planet as devoid of attributes, and as Just Fuckin' Not Involved in this universe. I can groove with that. It strikes an intuitive reson- ance with me. I think of God/the Absolute/whatever as a kind of Operating System. It just exists; it doesn't plan ahead or have desires for how All Of This should turn out. I just roll my eyes and tune out the moment someone I'm talking with or chatting with online starts refer- ring to God's will, or something similar. I find the whole concept offensive and demeaning. WHO, after all, could conceive of a sentient cosmic uber-being so powerful as to have created All Of This and at the same time so petty as to feel that it had to micromanage it? That's just insulting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
She seems pissed that the course was so expensive. Assuming this was really a standard TM initiation, she seems to have confused the introductory lectures as being part of having already learned meditation before getting the mantra. In other words she has a confused memory. Or, more likely in my opinion, she has given a spin to the article to ward off others who might want to learn. authfriend: Well, that's a given. But I've read any number of articles with that same spin that described the course accurately. Yeah, as far as the cost, it's no more than your average college tuition, where you get a lot less. In fact, the MMY and the TMO are about as benign as Scout cookies. So, it just seems puzzling why people like Doughney and Wright seem so obsessed with the MMY's comings-and-goings. Go figure. Sometimes, I wonder what's up with that and these guys - they don't seem able to move on with their life like other people do. Are they just trying to bring us all down or what? Maybe we're in a much better position to discuss MMY's ideas than they are, since we're still on the program and they are not. They're making things up, so all I'm saying is let's discuss some ideas about how to cure them of making things up. Why can't they just be honest and forget all the trolling? LoL! Here's what she writes: - During the free intro, I heard a lot about scientific reports on the benefits of TM, like reducing stress and releasing creativity. It sounded reasonable enough, and I was impressed that the people in the room looked pretty normal. The instructor didn't go into any religious stuff and could have easily fit into a corporate office with his clean-cut appearance and fondness for graphs and charts. The technique, he assured the class, was easy to learn and could provide a lifetime of benefits for both mind and body. We were invited to consider taking a beginner course, after which we would have access to a lifetime of free followup and support. Then came the kicker: the price of a beginner course was $2,500. I gulped. That was quite a pricetag. But at this point, I was already looking forward to my transformation. Wasn't inner peace worth it? I rationalized that people paid far more than this for therapy in New York City, and after all, I had hard evidence from my boyfriend that the technique could have long-lasting effects. I had just landed a lucrative ghostwriting contract, and if learning TM would make me less stressed and more productive, it would be worth it, right? My inner skeptic was silenced. I went for it. Over several courses, I learned to sit with my eyes closed and just let my thoughts flow until I began to feel a sense of peaceful awareness come over me. There was no need to concentrate or sit in any particular way, or refrain from scratching my nose. A steady flow of references to scientific studies promising increased intelligence and emotional development padded what was otherwise a pretty straightforward lesson on sitting still and chilling out. After the completion of the course, there was a special graduation ceremony in which students were given individual mantras to use in our practice. This was the first real whiff of spirituality. I was told to bring an offering of flowers to meet the instructor, who now appeared wearing a robe. He solemnly told me that he had a special word to give me that was mine alone and would be the key to my successful practice of TM. I know something about you, he said, staring meaningfully into my eyes. And that's why I'm giving you this particular mantra. I was no longer a student in a class, but an initiate into a special order of enlightened beings. I was invited to attend group meditation sessions where the combined force of our effort would increase harmonic vibrations of the universe and contribute to global peace. Or something like that. - I don't think she ever took the course. She's obviously not confusing the intro stuff with the actual instruction, but she has the order of instruction reversed, with initiation coming at the end (graduation). Whatever other details have been wrong in other articles, I've never seen one that has put the most memorable part of the instruction last rather than first, or suggested that students were taught how to meditate without a mantra. And she doesn't even mention the puja, which is arguably the most potentially off-putting element of personal instruction (apart from the fee, which she deals with extensively elsewhere in the article). Could all be severe memory problems, I suppose, but a responsible journalist would have realized her memory was hazy and checked things out before writing the article.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult?
So have you tried this Rick? From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult? From:Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpract...@e.evolvingwisdom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: r...@searchsummit.com Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnowthat's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become obvious that waking up from the trance needs to happen again and again, in many little moments of choice. This is what I mean by practice --- that choice to live deliberately, to embrace a way of life that's fully alive, always evolving, spontaneously in-the-moment, self-aware, humorous and free. (This is the core of the Integral Spiritual Practice I teach.) From this perspective, yes, you're in the big Cult, the one that keeps re-hypnotizing you back into the consensus trance. The point is this: you can leave the cult now --- in this very moment. May you do so, and may you keep leaving it, by waking up! Again and again and again --- every day, for the rest of your life. To your practice and awakening and freedom, Terry P.S. If you'd like to comment on this blog you can do so here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
Glad you are storming the ramparts. Viva la revolucion, at IBM! PS Just so you know, the stuff iLog, now IBM, and BO, now SAP, and others do, is called Business Intelligence, not Artificial Intelligence. AI is used in robotics and NSA stuff, and some comm apps. Business Intelligence, on the other hand, is a way to manipulate and connect databases, through pivot tables, to provide business associations that are not obvious, and to aggregate a lot of data into dynamic dashboards, usually for executive use. The purpose is to ultimately increase sales, by having a comprehensive and data driven picture of the business. Not as sexy as actual AI, but you can keep telling yourself, and others that it is.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits? They have no minds of their own, and are just following the lead of someone who once dressed that way and got Maharishi's attention? :-) Letting your freak flag fly, and all, I am pretty sure you aren't bopping into your latest corporate gig, stylin' huarache sandals and a headband. Do they even let you play your Bruce Cockburn songs, softly, in your cube? I'll reply to this merely to point out how out of touch or essentially conservative and non-freak you are. I work again (as many may have guessed) for IBM, in the same offices that used to be ILOG, the French AI company I worked for before IBM acquired it. Today I wore sandals, jeans, and a T-shirt that says, You can't take the sky from me (a line from Firefly) to work. In the entire building, no one was wearing a suit, including the executives. Everyone was pretty much dressed the way they wanted to, in fact. Our IBM office was chosen from among literally thousands of others to work on the project I'm assigned to *because* the project is at the very top of IBM's Priority List. Without exaggeration, no other project within IBM is seen as being of greater impact to IBM's future and its future bottom line than Worklight. When you have a bunch of developers and information development specialists who have proved their worth in the past, and have consistently produced the best quality work in all of IBM, you don't fuck with that by telling them what to wear. If you had to deal with that, I feel for you. Why didn't you just quit and work for more interesting companies?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
Ah - I'm betting that's it - but why don't they wear actual yellow suits, and not the fawn colored ones, I wonder? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes In jyotish, yellow and gold are the colors for Jupiter, the Guru among the Vedic pantheon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Ah - I'm betting that's it - but why don't they wear actual yellow suits, and not the fawn colored ones, I wonder? Maybe they're banana's enough as it is? Or do they like to be seen in something deer? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes  In jyotish, yellow and gold are the colors for Jupiter, the Guru among the Vedic pantheon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
Wait a minute, you know a lot of TM'ers who are on anti-depressants? Are you joking? Wonder why that piece of info doesn't get into the benefits-of-TM so-called scientific studies? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. I doubt hypnosis does anything to you that experience doesn't. Basically we get to be how we are by what happens to us. Hypnosis just replaces negative programming we can get from life with something more positive of our choice rather than the unwitting engrams from the school of hard knocks. NLP and psychotherapy do the same thing, introduce a new idea and repeat it and it will stick after a while and become your new default response to whatever it was that's bothering you. This is of course at odds with TM teaching that all problems are caused by stress and that all stress can be released through TM. The biggest problem with relying on TM as a therapy is that you don't get to choose which bit is released next and instead hope that the system somehow settles itself down enough for you to feel acceptably transformed. This inefficiency of TM probably goes a long way to explaining why so many TMers I meet take anti-depressants or see therapists etc. There are too many still seeking peace in the TMO for it to be considered a good therapeutic technique. That'd make a good study for MUM?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult?
No need MJ - Rick is part of Amma's cult. He was mighty uncomfortable with all cultish elements of TM. But now he is very mature - totally at ease with the personal worship of Amma as the Divine Mother - what with the 108 names of her, pada puja and worship of her during Devi Bhava, the Satsangs full of her miracles. On May 14, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: So have you tried this Rick? From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult? From: Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpract...@e.evolvingwisdom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: r...@searchsummit.com Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnow that's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become obvious that waking up from the trance needs to happen again and again, in many little moments of choice. This is what I mean by practice --- that choice to live deliberately, to embrace a way of life that's fully alive, always evolving, spontaneously in-the-moment, self-aware, humorous and free. (This is the core of the Integral Spiritual Practice I teach.) From this perspective, yes, you're in the big Cult, the one that keeps re-hypnotizing you back into the consensus trance. The point is this: you can leave the cult now --- in this very moment. May you do so, and may you keep leaving it, by waking up! Again and again and again --- every day, for the rest of your life. To your practice and awakening and
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Glad you are storming the ramparts. Viva la revolucion, at IBM! PS Just so you know, the stuff iLog, now IBM, and BO, now SAP, and others do, is called Business Intelligence, not Artificial Intelligence. AI is used in robotics and NSA stuff, and some comm apps. Business Intelligence, on the other hand, is a way to manipulate and connect databases, through pivot tables, to provide business associations that are not obvious, and to aggregate a lot of data into dynamic dashboards, usually for executive use. The purpose is to ultimately increase sales, by having a comprehensive and data driven picture of the business. Not as sexy as actual AI, but you can keep telling yourself, and others that it is.:-) Just so you know, ILOG software has been used to calculate NASA space missions for years. I guess when they call it AI they're just being unenlight- ened dummies. Unlike yourself. :-) ILOG's founder, BTW, made it a point to never sell any of his software for military purposes. It was a point of pride with him. He was offered lucrative contracts to develop systems for a number of countries' armed forces, including France's, and turned them all down. I always liked that about him. ILOG's developers were as good as they were partly because of this stance. ILOG *never* had to recruit talent. They got more resumes every month from the top talent in the AI field than they could handle. Many of them were explicitly drawn to ILOG *because* if they worked there they could pursue their chosen field *without* designing weapons. Most of the jobs in the AI field involve building megadeath. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits? They have no minds of their own, and are just following the lead of someone who once dressed that way and got Maharishi's attention? :-) Letting your freak flag fly, and all, I am pretty sure you aren't bopping into your latest corporate gig, stylin' huarache sandals and a headband. Do they even let you play your Bruce Cockburn songs, softly, in your cube? I'll reply to this merely to point out how out of touch or essentially conservative and non-freak you are. I work again (as many may have guessed) for IBM, in the same offices that used to be ILOG, the French AI company I worked for before IBM acquired it. Today I wore sandals, jeans, and a T-shirt that says, You can't take the sky from me (a line from Firefly) to work. In the entire building, no one was wearing a suit, including the executives. Everyone was pretty much dressed the way they wanted to, in fact. Our IBM office was chosen from among literally thousands of others to work on the project I'm assigned to *because* the project is at the very top of IBM's Priority List. Without exaggeration, no other project within IBM is seen as being of greater impact to IBM's future and its future bottom line than Worklight. When you have a bunch of developers and information development specialists who have proved their worth in the past, and have consistently produced the best quality work in all of IBM, you don't fuck with that by telling them what to wear. If you had to deal with that, I feel for you. Why didn't you just quit and work for more interesting companies?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult?
But of course this is natural. As a man - feeling very uncomfortable having the male Guru sleeping with women and being totally at ease with a woman, Guru, Divine Mother who is pure - a virgin, doesn't pee or menstruate. On May 14, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: No need MJ - Rick is part of Amma's cult. He was mighty uncomfortable with all cultish elements of TM. But now he is very mature - totally at ease with the personal worship of Amma as the Divine Mother - what with the 108 names of her, pada puja and worship of her during Devi Bhava, the Satsangs full of her miracles. On May 14, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: So have you tried this Rick? From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult? From: Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpract...@e.evolvingwisdom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: r...@searchsummit.com Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnow that's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become obvious that waking up from the trance needs to happen again and again, in many little moments of choice. This is what I mean by practice --- that choice to live deliberately, to embrace a way of life that's fully alive, always evolving, spontaneously in-the-moment, self-aware, humorous and free. (This is the core of the Integral Spiritual Practice I teach.) From this perspective, yes, you're in the big Cult,
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
Oh, boy, salyavin, you said the magic words. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Wait a minute, you know a lot of TM'ers who are on anti-depressants? Are you joking? Wonder why that piece of info doesn't get into the benefits-of-TM so-called scientific studies? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. I doubt hypnosis does anything to you that experience doesn't. Basically we get to be how we are by what happens to us. Hypnosis just replaces negative programming we can get from life with something more positive of our choice rather than the unwitting engrams from the school of hard knocks. NLP and psychotherapy do the same thing, introduce a new idea and repeat it and it will stick after a while and become your new default response to whatever it was that's bothering you. This is of course at odds with TM teaching that all problems are caused by stress and that all stress can be released through TM. The biggest problem with relying on TM as a therapy is that you don't get to choose which bit is released next and instead hope that the system somehow settles itself down enough for you to feel acceptably transformed. This inefficiency of TM probably goes a long way to explaining why so many TMers I meet take anti-depressants or see therapists etc. There are too many still seeking peace in the TMO for it to be considered a good therapeutic technique. That'd make a good study for MUM?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult?
But he don't post a lot of Amma stuff - and what is pada puja? From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult? No need MJ - Rick is part of Amma's cult. He was mighty uncomfortable with all cultish elements of TM. But now he is very mature - totally at ease with the personal worship of Amma as the Divine Mother - what with the 108 names of her, pada puja and worship of her during Devi Bhava, the Satsangs full of her miracles. On May 14, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: So have you tried this Rick? From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult? From:Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpract...@e.evolvingwisdom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: r...@searchsummit.com Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnowthat's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become obvious that waking up from the trance needs to happen again and again, in many little moments of choice. This is what I mean by practice --- that choice to live deliberately, to embrace a way of life that's fully alive, always evolving, spontaneously in-the-moment, self-aware, humorous and free. (This is the core of the Integral Spiritual Practice I teach.) From this perspective, yes, you're in the big Cult, the one that keeps re-hypnotizing you back into the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
Gotta admit I'm glad MUM had had student exchange program with Chinese universities for several years. It might help. OTOH, the weather may help too (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Chinese Taking Root in Detroit On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhutan: the worlds first 100% organic nation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/02/hutan-bets-organic-agriculture-is-the-road-to-happiness.html#sthash.ISySjkzJ.dpbs You know, of course, that Bhutan is a constitutional monarchy with a state religion of Mahayana Buddhism, right? But if you like the place, feel free to go there because they're tolerant of other religions, even including Hindus and Neo-Hindus. I'm not sure how they feel about Creme-Yer-Jeans-ians, though, so you'll have to take your chances on that one. :-) Why would you think Nabby wants to go live there, Barry? Oh, never mind, I know why. You didn't look at the site Nabby linked to. You were more interested in trying to put Nabby down than discussing ideas. You don't expect cats to stop hunting birds, dogs peeing at poles or old men to change :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: (snip) It has been more than adequately demonstrated that a bunch of guys with planks can make even the most complicated mathematically designed motiffs in the tiny amount of darkness you get midsummer in England. Documentation, pleez? I ask because I've seen a number of supposed debunkings along these lines that turn out not to be as solid as they seem for one reason or another. (And don't forget about the microwave ovens.) In my observation (not saying this is always the case), skeptics tend to be satisfied with debunkings of paranormal-type claims that are less rigorous than they would demand of purported proof of the claims. Skepticism can play the same role belief does in seeing only what one wants to see. The BBC even did an episode of Horizon about it. I was surprised as I had always thought they must be using laser sights or GPS to get that sort of accuracy but nope, it's all done with a drawing, planks and real ale. As a corollary, Occam's razor works only in an adequate frame of reference. I'll be astonished if we need even that. The true art of magic is getting people to think you are doing something complex when you really aren't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. Isn't it just a *trip* that so many people assume it does? Actually it gives me the creeps! I mean the UF - if it exists - is simply what the universe is before it gets all random and foamy and *long* before the chaos becomes visible as the whirly subatomic stuff we all know and love. Ascribing intentions to it is absurd but worshipping it is deeply weird. I always used to wonder what the unified field charts were trying to say, it was clear that they had an intention beyond simply informing the observer what the TMO thought was going on. But of course, if you buy the mystical idea of consciousness then the charts make sense, on their own terms. But until nature demonstrates that it's something other than blind chance, electromagnetism and entropy I'll be giving the charts a miss. You don't necessarily find this assumption in main- stream (read, not Fundamentalist and Supremicist) Hinduism, or much of Buddhism, or even avant-garde Christianity. The belief in God (or the unified field or whatever you want to call it) as having a Will and/or having a Plan for All Of This is not a given at all. Many think as I do that if such a thing as a fundamental, core level of existence as God or the Absolute or insert euphemism of your choice exists, it's just so NOT That Kinda Guy. It has been described by the great mystics and spir- itual leaders of the planet as devoid of attributes, and as Just Fuckin' Not Involved in this universe. I can groove with that. It strikes an intuitive reson- ance with me. I think of God/the Absolute/whatever as a kind of Operating System. It just exists; it doesn't plan ahead or have desires for how All Of This should turn out. I just roll my eyes and tune out the moment someone I'm talking with or chatting with online starts refer- ring to God's will, or something similar. I find the whole concept offensive and demeaning. WHO, after all, could conceive of a sentient cosmic uber-being so powerful as to have created All Of This and at the same time so petty as to feel that it had to micromanage it? That's just insulting.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult?
It's the accumulation of all your past lives good karma, something that would lead to moksha - the ceremonial washing of the Guru's feet. I was offered this twice, being a sinner I let my ex do the honors while I watched the show. I quit all this drama long time back even when I was participated in the cult, mostly having fun, until one day a woman I loved asked me to back her up as she chanted 108 names of Amma, no way in hell I was going to say no to her though I did hesitate for a bit. On May 14, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: But he don't post a lot of Amma stuff - and what is pada puja? From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult? No need MJ - Rick is part of Amma's cult. He was mighty uncomfortable with all cultish elements of TM. But now he is very mature - totally at ease with the personal worship of Amma as the Divine Mother - what with the 108 names of her, pada puja and worship of her during Devi Bhava, the Satsangs full of her miracles. On May 14, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: So have you tried this Rick? From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult? From: Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpract...@e.evolvingwisdom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: r...@searchsummit.com Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnow that's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: (snip) Crop circles and aliens is difficult to believe for a number of reasons. Why would an alien civilisation try to make their presence known in such an ambiguous inept manner? Crop circles can be made using rope, wooden stakes, and wooden planks. This has been demonstrated many, many times. For every man made crop circle there are about 300 Crop Circles that are at this time unexplainable. But I guess you simply are too lazy to do any research whatsoever, for you it's much simpler just to try to continue the myth that crop circles are manmade. Why on earth don't you stick to something you know something about, surfing for example ? http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/interface2005.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. Isn't it just a *trip* that so many people assume it does? Actually it gives me the creeps! I mean the UF - if it exists - is simply what the universe is before it gets all random and foamy and *long* before the chaos becomes visible as the whirly subatomic stuff we all know and love. Well -- and poetically -- said. Deep bow. The ARROGANCE of people who anthropomorhize that univese and project their petty human characteristics onto it. Ascribing intentions to it is absurd but worshipping it is deeply weird. I always used to wonder what the unified field charts were trying to say, it was clear that they had an intention beyond simply informing the observer what the TMO thought was going on. I missed out on all those charts, but I can imagine. My guess would be that their Intent and purpose was to convince people to toe the line because if they didn't, the Unified Field would be righteously -- and justifiably -- pissed, and do Bad Things to them. :-) But of course, if you buy the mystical idea of consciousness then the charts make sense, on their own terms. But until nature demonstrates that it's something other than blind chance, electromagnetism and entropy I'll be giving the charts a miss. I'm content with having missed them. :-) You don't necessarily find this assumption in main- stream (read, not Fundamentalist and Supremicist) Hinduism, or much of Buddhism, or even avant-garde Christianity. The belief in God (or the unified field or whatever you want to call it) as having a Will and/or having a Plan for All Of This is not a given at all. Many think as I do that if such a thing as a fundamental, core level of existence as God or the Absolute or insert euphemism of your choice exists, it's just so NOT That Kinda Guy. It has been described by the great mystics and spir- itual leaders of the planet as devoid of attributes, and as Just Fuckin' Not Involved in this universe. I can groove with that. It strikes an intuitive reson- ance with me. I think of God/the Absolute/whatever as a kind of Operating System. It just exists; it doesn't plan ahead or have desires for how All Of This should turn out. I just roll my eyes and tune out the moment someone I'm talking with or chatting with online starts refer- ring to God's will, or something similar. I find the whole concept offensive and demeaning. WHO, after all, could conceive of a sentient cosmic uber-being so powerful as to have created All Of This and at the same time so petty as to feel that it had to micromanage it? That's just insulting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Missionary Position
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@... wrote: What you outlined could be said of any organization. Did you come up with these categories yourself or did you glean these from someone's writings? Very simple: ctrl+ c and ctrl + v, then substitue a few words and viola, the Turq, the Buddhist TM-hater has a full post on FFL on TM-bashing, his favorite hobby.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Arlington National Cemetery today. We visited the grave site of my Mom's grandfather, so my great grandfather. I actually knew in person my great grandparents on my Dad's side. Anyway, my Mom's grandad was a veterinarian in the cavalry during WWI. Mom's been wanting to do that for a while. It is quite a beautiful cemetery. Then we went to an oyster bar for lunch, Old Ebbitt's Grill near the White House. Power lunch! (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: snip Last but not least, Fundamentalists of all ilks have themselves been so severely shamed, that they themselves turn to shaming others in an attempt to salvage their damaged sense of well being. IMHO. Excellent point Share. And yes, it does make you have compassion, or at least some degree of compassion for those who seek to spin whatever someone says, whom they dislike, into some sort of skewed conclusion. A prayer comes to mind that my grandmother used to tell me when I would spend the night at her house as a child, and we would talk about those less fortunate. There, but for the grace of God, go I I've read ahead here to the perfunctory negative replies from Ravi and Judy. They are just ramping up. Getting their barber straps out. Glad you are having a good time in Maryland. Thanks for sharing some of the details.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: You are inadvertently outlining the strengths of TM. It has been around for 50 years, and counting, despite attempts to distort it and criticize it, simply because TM is a unique form of meditation, that works. Any time there is a new technology introduced, there are the naysayers who proclaim it too costly, too crazy, or just plain useless. Just as with electricity, the automobile, and the cell phone, TM is here to stay. I know its kind of a tough pill to swallow, recognizing that the technique is not only robust, but continues to grow as well. Perhaps you want to work on your attachment to these ideas of TM being bad and wrong, while at the same time, recognizing its inevitable global growth. I am not saying you have to like it, but you may as well recognize the reality of it. The americans have an expression; Get Used To It. Perhaps the Turq simply should get used to the idea that TM is a huge success and is here to stay.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: (snip) It has been more than adequately demonstrated that a bunch of guys with planks can make even the most complicated mathematically designed motiffs in the tiny amount of darkness you get midsummer in England. Documentation, pleez? It was an hour long BBC documentary (I've been trying to find it) I think in the Horizon strand. Basically, they got in touch with a group of crop circle makers and asked to film them but doing a design as complex as they can get and in one summer night. Good enough controls really, if you want to test whether there is anything men with planks can't do. So the BBC got a mathematician to design a stupidly difficult pictogram and off they went with a rope, a few planks and a muted torch and in a few hours they were done. And it was good, very convincing. And, as I say, I was amazed that was all the tech they had! It seems to me that if they can do it then others can and any supernatural explanation becomes unnecessary. Unless there is any truth that circles have been seen appearing in a few minutes, which I doubt. Or any other radiation type weirdness, but paranormal events have a sad history of people not knowing what they are doing with measuring technology and gaining false results, so it's best left to the experts. Trouble is, the experts all think that as people can do tough designs with a plank in a few hours there is no need to drag expensive sensing gear out to the middle of nowhere to measure wheat stalks. Hey ho. I ask because I've seen a number of supposed debunkings along these lines that turn out not to be as solid as they seem for one reason or another. (And don't forget about the microwave ovens.) In my observation (not saying this is always the case), skeptics tend to be satisfied with debunkings of paranormal-type claims that are less rigorous than they would demand of purported proof of the claims. Skepticism can play the same role belief does in seeing only what one wants to see. The BBC even did an episode of Horizon about it. I was surprised as I had always thought they must be using laser sights or GPS to get that sort of accuracy but nope, it's all done with a drawing, planks and real ale. As a corollary, Occam's razor works only in an adequate frame of reference. I'll be astonished if we need even that. The true art of magic is getting people to think you are doing something complex when you really aren't.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer. But it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world. Meaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. Isn't it just a *trip* that so many people assume it does? Actually it gives me the creeps! I mean the UF - if it exists - is simply what the universe is before it gets all random and foamy and *long* before the chaos becomes visible as the whirly subatomic stuff we all know and love. Ascribing intentions to it is absurd but worshipping it is deeply weird. FWIW, I've never run across either idea in the TM context. I always used to wonder what the unified field charts were trying to say, it was clear that they had an intention beyond simply informing the observer what the TMO thought was going on. Um, I don't think the charts had anything to do with the Unified Field having intentions or with worshipping it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult?
Consensus reality is probably more accurate than the word Cult which actually means something like subculture. When you make statements like: everyone is crazy, or everyone is in a cult - you reduce the meaning of words Crazy or Cult to logical absurdities that renders them useless as terms that can be used in a rational discussion. When I ask myself questions like:Do I know anyone who is not a little crazy? or Do I know anyone who doesn't participate in a cult? The answer is always no - everyone I know seems a little crazy and everyone I know also identifies with some group or other. It's really just a matter of perspective isn't it? I mean to a west coast Bay Area person, such as myself - most people east and south of here are Obviously Insane ;-) Therefore as a practical matter, the words crazy and cult should be reserved for discussions about people and groups that have behaviors and ideas that are so variant with society at large that they are rendered dysfunctional in a major way. (i.e., can't sustain a relationship or a job.) Having preached that - I actually do think everyone is both crazy and in a cult...but you won't catch me sayin' it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: (snip) It has been more than adequately demonstrated that a bunch of guys with planks can make even the most complicated mathematically designed motiffs in the tiny amount of darkness you get midsummer in England. Documentation, pleez? It was an hour long BBC documentary (I've been trying to find it) I think in the Horizon strand. Basically, they got in touch with a group of crop circle makers and asked to film them but doing a design as complex as they can get and in one summer night. Good enough controls really, if you want to test whether there is anything men with planks can't do. Let me know if you find it. I'm skeptical about as complex as they can get. So the BBC got a mathematician to design a stupidly difficult pictogram and off they went with a rope, a few planks and a muted torch and in a few hours they were done. And it was good, very convincing. And, as I say, I was amazed that was all the tech they had! It seems to me that if they can do it then others can and any supernatural explanation becomes unnecessary. Unless there is any truth that circles have been seen appearing in a few minutes, which I doubt. Or any other radiation type weirdness, but paranormal events have a sad history of people not knowing what they are doing with measuring technology and gaining false results, so it's best left to the experts. There actually is a bunch of real experts working on this stuff. Trouble is, the experts all think that as people can do tough designs with a plank in a few hours there is no need to drag expensive sensing gear out to the middle of nowhere to measure wheat stalks. Hey ho. Well, right, but it's not just measuring wheat stalks; and as I say, there are real scientists looking at all the various ancillary phenomena. If you haven't debunked *all* of it--shown you can get all the weird results by ordinary means--you haven't really debunked it at all. I am *not* a Believer, BTW. I just don't think it's been settled yet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: (snip) It has been more than adequately demonstrated that a bunch of guys with planks can make even the most complicated mathematically designed motiffs in the tiny amount of darkness you get midsummer in England. Documentation, pleez? It was an hour long BBC documentary (I've been trying to find it) I think in the Horizon strand. Basically, they got in touch with a group of crop circle makers and asked to film them but doing a design as complex as they can get and in one summer night. Good enough controls really, if you want to test whether there is anything men with planks can't do. So the BBC got a mathematician to design a stupidly difficult pictogram and off they went with a rope, a few planks and a muted torch and in a few hours they were done. And it was good, very convincing. And, as I say, I was amazed that was all the tech they had! Videofootage from the air show that some of the most complicated and largest Crop Circles was done within a time-range of 20 minutes, not leaving a footprint or as much as a muddy straw. And ALL straws are bent, not broken. Designs it would take several hundred people with planks a week to copy leaving the field full of human footprints mud and whatnot. To claim that the most complicated Crop Circles are manmade is laughable. But of course it's much more convienient for a lazy and young soul (your own words) to believe The Crop Circles has an explanation that doesn't shake any old belief-system.
[FairfieldLife] Crop Circle, Bavaria, July 2012
Andechs Abbey, Bayern. Bavaria. Reported 29th July. Map Ref: HERE https://maps.google.com/maps?q=47.985111,11.209735hl=dell=47.984953,1\ 1.20981spn=0.005292,0.013078sll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.823846,107.\ 138672t=hz=17 This Page has been accessed [Hit Counter] Updated Wednesday 8th May 2013 AERIAL SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/germany/Andechs2012a.html GROUND SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/germany/Andechs2012d.html DIAGRAMS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/germany/Andechs2012b.html FIELD REPORTS COMMENTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/germany/Andechs2012c.html Images Frank Laumen Copyright 2012 http://www.thecropcircleshop.com/ Make a donation to keep the web site alive... Thank you http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/http://www.cropcircleconnector.\ com/anasazi/conduct.html FOR VISITING THE CROP CIRCLES. Images Klaus Leidorf Luftbilddokumentation http://www.leidorf.de/ Copyright 2012 For more information at www.kornkreise-forschung.de http://www.kornkreise-forschung.de/ http://www.cropcircleconnectorforum.com/ The Rim of the crop circle at Andechs Abbey is similar to a previous formation at Etchilhampton, nr Devizes, Wiltshire. Reported 25th July 2011. Image The Crop Circle Connector Copyright 2011 Image Stuart Dike Copyright 2011 Andechs Abbey, Bayern. Bavaria. Reported 29th July. Map Ref: HERE https://maps.google.com/maps?q=47.985111,11.209735hl=dell=47.984953,1\ 1.20981spn=0.005292,0.013078sll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.823846,107.\ 138672t=hz=17 This Page has been accessed [Hit Counter] Updated Wednesday 8th May 2013 AERIAL SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/germany/Andechs2012a.html GROUND SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/germany/Andechs2012d.html DIAGRAMS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/germany/Andechs2012b.html FIELD REPORTS COMMENTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/germany/Andechs2012c.html Rosa Rossa Magnetic Pole Shift Art Work JW Copyright 2012 Die Erfüllung der 'Das Nähren des Neuen Baums des Lebens' und 'Die Galaktische Merkavah' Feier in Ergänzung zu den 'Kloster Andechs' und 'Milk Hill (2)/nr Adam's Grave' Kornkreisen Wir danken allen Menschen und anderen Wesen, die diesen für das Deutsche Reich (bis jetzt) beispiellosen Kornkreis gerufen, besucht, geehrt, geschützt und in ihr Herz gepflanzt haben! Folie 1: Klicke (hier http://web92.s16.netcup.net/privat/magdalenenberg/rietheim-17-1-ge.jpg ) für die volle Bildauflösung und zum Download. Glastonbury, Silbury Hill, Dragon Hill/Uffington White Horse; 3. - 4. - 5. August 2012. Wir sind da! Folie 2: klicke (hier http://web92.s16.netcup.net/privat/magdalenenberg/rietheim-17-2-ge.jpg ). Der STEIN, den die Bauleute verworfen haben, ist zum Eckstein geworden. (Psa 118, 22) Folie 3: klicke (hier http://web92.s16.netcup.net/privat/magdalenenberg/rietheim-17-3-ge.jpg ). Denn auf den Herrn vertraut der König, und durch DES HÖCHSTEN GNADE wird er nicht wanken. (Psa 21, 8) Folie 4: klicke (hier http://web92.s16.netcup.net/privat/magdalenenberg/rietheim-17-4-ge.jpg ). Darum wird der Herr selbst euch ein Zeichen geben: Siehe, die Jungfrau wird schwanger werden und einen Sohn gebären und wird seinen Namen IMMANUEL nennen. (Jes 7, 14) Leite mich in deiner WAHRHEIT und lehre mich, denn du bist der Gott meines Heils; auf dich harre ich den ganzen Tag. (Psa 25, 5) Folie 5: klicke (hier http://web92.s16.netcup.net/privat/magdalenenberg/rietheim-17-5-ge.jpg ). Ein Dunst aber stieg von der Erde auf und durchtränkte die ganze Oberfläche DES ERDENGRUNDES. (Gen 2, 6) Folie 6: Klicke (hier http://web92.s16.netcup.net/privat/magdalenenberg/rietheim-17-6-ge.jpg ) für die volle Bildauflösung und zum Download. Von EWIGKEITEN her war ich aufgerichtet, von Anfang an, vor den Uranfängen der Erde. (Spr 8, 23) Bild: klicke (hier http://web92.s16.netcup.net/privat/magdalenenberg/rietheim-18.jpg ). Bitte lesen Sie unsere vorangegangenen Kommentare (1 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/AshmeadBreak/comments.html ) (2 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/uffington/comments.html ) (3 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/italy/Bracciano2012e.html ) (4 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/mantondrove/comments.html ) (5 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/WoodboroughHill/comments.html ) (6 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/Berkley/articles.html ) (7 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/italy/Santena2012b.html ) (8 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/italy/Fabbrico2012e.html ) (9 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/wanboroughplain/comments.html ) (10 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/rocklane/comments.html ) (englisch) oder laden Sie sich diese (auf Deutsch) herunter. (PDF http://web92.s16.netcup.net/privat/magdalenenberg/rietheim/rietheim-san\ greal.pdf ) Tâmratejas Dyugosâ
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. Isn't it just a *trip* that so many people assume it does? Actually it gives me the creeps! I mean the UF - if it exists - is simply what the universe is before it gets all random and foamy and *long* before the chaos becomes visible as the whirly subatomic stuff we all know and love. Ascribing intentions to it is absurd but worshipping it is deeply weird. FWIW, I've never run across either idea in the TM context. Then you weren't paying attention. It's the foundation of everything in SCI. It is organising the universe in perfect order and without a problem. It is Natural Law itself and it is consciousness and therefore it is us and apparently we can influence it. As for worshipping it, have a word with Buck. All TM concepts about the UF are religious ideas transposed into modern scientific terms as though they are the same thing and they are not. Someone rang the NLP office once and asked what natural law actually was and I didn't know, which was a bit crap, so I decided to find out: Natural Law is god's will, the unified field is the field of all possibilities governed by natural law. You can't tell the public that though so we have all sorts of diversionary ways of saying it like the best way to do things or what your body wants you to do but your mind sometimes gets wrong that sort of anodyne crap that diverts from the real message that we knew everything and could transform the world if only people would listen and hop along. I always used to wonder what the unified field charts were trying to say, it was clear that they had an intention beyond simply informing the observer what the TMO thought was going on. Um, I don't think the charts had anything to do with the Unified Field having intentions or with worshipping it.
[FairfieldLife] BLT RESEARCH TEAM INC.
Printable Version http://www.bltresearch.com/print/pindex.html BLT RESEARCH TEAM INC. [www.bltresearch.com] GREENSBORO, NORTH CAROLINA http://www.centerforuforesearch.com/ http://www.bltresearch.com/eyewitness/polandufo.php UFO Stone Analysis Unexplained Holes in Poland http://www.bltresearch.com/eyewitness/polandufo.php http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/delgadochorley.php#correction Correction to Delgado/Chorley Report http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/delgadochorley.php#correction PURPOSE: The BLT Research Team Inc.'s primary focus is crop circle research - the discovery, scientific documentation and evaluation of physical changes induced in plants, soils and other materials at crop circle sites by the energy (or energy system) responsible for creating them and to determine, if possible, from these data the specific nature and source of these energies. Secondly, our intent is to publish these research results in peer-reviewed scientific journals and to disseminate this information to the general public through lectures, mainstream articles and the internet. PERSONNEL: BLT Inc. is composed of several hundred trained field-sampling personnel in the U.S., Canada and Europe who collect plant and soil samples at crop circle sites for analyses by a number of scientists (see Professional Consultants http://www.bltresearch.com/proffcons.php ) in various disciplines. [BLT Research Team - Crop Circles and other phenomena]Fieldworkers in England with plant and soil samples which now must be hung up and dried before shipping. The hard work of these field teams and their careful adherence to field-sampling protocols has contributed enormously to the on-going discoveries in the laboratory and the large data-base of factual information which now exists. Nancy Talbott is President of BLT Research Team Inc. [BLT Research Team - Crop Circles and other phenomena]Taking measurements in a Canadian circle prior to plant/soil sampling. [BLT Research Team - Crop Circles and other phenomena]Samples dried, wrapped, labeled and ready for shipping. FUNDING: BLT Inc. was incorporated as a non-profit, tax-exempt U.S. corporation in 1999. All funding to-date has been from private-sector donations and gifts, which are tax-deductible. Significant advances in the scientific understanding of crop circle formation and related phenomena are heavily dependent upon such contributions -- all major financial gifts can be designated for specific research projects, if desired by the donor. Financial support in any amount is welcome. LECTURE/SLIDE SHOW: A 2-hour presentation is available which outlines the basic research and results obtained so far, highlighting individual crop circle case studies from a number of countries. Slides of recent crop circles in North America and Europe are included, as well as anecdotal reports of associated strange phenomena encountered by personnel working in the fields each summer. The lecture and slide-show can be shortened or expanded, as desired, and is an inspirational educational tool for use in schools and colleges, demonstrating both the value of the basic scientific method and the excitement of new discoveries -- in the context of an intriguing, and still unexplained, phenomenon. Contact Nancy Talbott http://www.bltresearch.com/contactform/contact.php to schedule. http://www.bltresearch.com/ http://www.bltresearch.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: (snip) It has been more than adequately demonstrated that a bunch of guys with planks can make even the most complicated mathematically designed motiffs in the tiny amount of darkness you get midsummer in England. Documentation, pleez? It was an hour long BBC documentary (I've been trying to find it) I think in the Horizon strand. Basically, they got in touch with a group of crop circle makers and asked to film them but doing a design as complex as they can get and in one summer night. Good enough controls really, if you want to test whether there is anything men with planks can't do. Let me know if you find it. I'm skeptical about as complex as they can get. The brief was to design something as complex as had been seen already *and* to make it as hard as possible to organise on the ground at night with a few guys. So the BBC got a mathematician to design a stupidly difficult pictogram and off they went with a rope, a few planks and a muted torch and in a few hours they were done. And it was good, very convincing. And, as I say, I was amazed that was all the tech they had! It seems to me that if they can do it then others can and any supernatural explanation becomes unnecessary. Unless there is any truth that circles have been seen appearing in a few minutes, which I doubt. Or any other radiation type weirdness, but paranormal events have a sad history of people not knowing what they are doing with measuring technology and gaining false results, so it's best left to the experts. There actually is a bunch of real experts working on this stuff. I look forward to the report. Trouble is, the experts all think that as people can do tough designs with a plank in a few hours there is no need to drag expensive sensing gear out to the middle of nowhere to measure wheat stalks. Hey ho. Well, right, but it's not just measuring wheat stalks; and as I say, there are real scientists looking at all the various ancillary phenomena. If you haven't debunked *all* of it--shown you can get all the weird results by ordinary means--you haven't really debunked it at all. If there is anything else, sure. I am *not* a Believer, BTW. I just don't think it's been settled yet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: BLT RESEARCH TEAM INC.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Cheers Nabby, there's some great stuff on there. UFO stones! Are the aliens turning our rocks into glass? Are they bending grass in funny ways? Seriously though, I hope something comes of it. I've always wanted there to be more to this world than meets the eye but whenever you get close to some weird phenomena it seems to disappear under scrutiny. Let's hope not this time... Printable Version http://www.bltresearch.com/print/pindex.html BLT RESEARCH TEAM INC. [www.bltresearch.com] GREENSBORO, NORTH CAROLINA http://www.centerforuforesearch.com/ http://www.bltresearch.com/eyewitness/polandufo.php UFO Stone Analysis Unexplained Holes in Poland http://www.bltresearch.com/eyewitness/polandufo.php http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/delgadochorley.php#correction Correction to Delgado/Chorley Report http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/delgadochorley.php#correction PURPOSE: The BLT Research Team Inc.'s primary focus is crop circle research - the discovery, scientific documentation and evaluation of physical changes induced in plants, soils and other materials at crop circle sites by the energy (or energy system) responsible for creating them and to determine, if possible, from these data the specific nature and source of these energies. Secondly, our intent is to publish these research results in peer-reviewed scientific journals and to disseminate this information to the general public through lectures, mainstream articles and the internet. PERSONNEL: BLT Inc. is composed of several hundred trained field-sampling personnel in the U.S., Canada and Europe who collect plant and soil samples at crop circle sites for analyses by a number of scientists (see Professional Consultants http://www.bltresearch.com/proffcons.php ) in various disciplines. [BLT Research Team - Crop Circles and other phenomena]Fieldworkers in England with plant and soil samples which now must be hung up and dried before shipping. The hard work of these field teams and their careful adherence to field-sampling protocols has contributed enormously to the on-going discoveries in the laboratory and the large data-base of factual information which now exists. Nancy Talbott is President of BLT Research Team Inc. [BLT Research Team - Crop Circles and other phenomena]Taking measurements in a Canadian circle prior to plant/soil sampling. [BLT Research Team - Crop Circles and other phenomena]Samples dried, wrapped, labeled and ready for shipping. FUNDING: BLT Inc. was incorporated as a non-profit, tax-exempt U.S. corporation in 1999. All funding to-date has been from private-sector donations and gifts, which are tax-deductible. Significant advances in the scientific understanding of crop circle formation and related phenomena are heavily dependent upon such contributions -- all major financial gifts can be designated for specific research projects, if desired by the donor. Financial support in any amount is welcome. LECTURE/SLIDE SHOW: A 2-hour presentation is available which outlines the basic research and results obtained so far, highlighting individual crop circle case studies from a number of countries. Slides of recent crop circles in North America and Europe are included, as well as anecdotal reports of associated strange phenomena encountered by personnel working in the fields each summer. The lecture and slide-show can be shortened or expanded, as desired, and is an inspirational educational tool for use in schools and colleges, demonstrating both the value of the basic scientific method and the excitement of new discoveries -- in the context of an intriguing, and still unexplained, phenomenon. Contact Nancy Talbott http://www.bltresearch.com/contactform/contact.php to schedule. http://www.bltresearch.com/ http://www.bltresearch.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: (snip) It has been more than adequately demonstrated that a bunch of guys with planks can make even the most complicated mathematically designed motiffs in the tiny amount of darkness you get midsummer in England. Documentation, pleez? It was an hour long BBC documentary (I've been trying to find it) I think in the Horizon strand. Basically, they got in touch with a group of crop circle makers and asked to film them but doing a design as complex as they can get and in one summer night. Good enough controls really, if you want to test whether there is anything men with planks can't do. Let me know if you find it. I'm skeptical about as complex as they can get. The brief was to design something as complex as had been seen already *and* to make it as hard as possible to organise on the ground at night with a few guys. You are weirder and further out there than I imagined. NO ONE, and certainly not a few guys can copy this without leaving a trace, without braking a single straw, without being photographed and videoteaped in the making. Remember this was not created on the South Pole or some other inhabitated place, but right smack in the middle of The Scorpion Country itself : The Rim of the crop circle at Andechs Abbey is similar to a previous formation at Etchilhampton, nr Devizes, Wiltshire. Reported 25th July 2011. Image The Crop Circle Connector Copyright 2011 Image Stuart Dike Copyright 2011
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. Isn't it just a *trip* that so many people assume it does? Actually it gives me the creeps! I mean the UF - if it exists - is simply what the universe is before it gets all random and foamy and *long* before the chaos becomes visible as the whirly subatomic stuff we all know and love. Ascribing intentions to it is absurd but worshipping it is deeply weird. FWIW, I've never run across either idea in the TM context. Then you weren't paying attention. It's the foundation of everything in SCI. It is organising the universe in perfect order and without a problem. It is Natural Law itself and it is consciousness and therefore it is us and apparently we can influence it. Yes, I know all that, thanks. As for worshipping it, have a word with Buck. Buck is not exactly my chosen authority on MMY's teaching. All TM concepts about the UF are religious ideas transposed into modern scientific terms as though they are the same thing and they are not. BIG discussion, not anywhere near that simple. Someone rang the NLP office once and asked what natural law actually was and I didn't know, which was a bit crap, so I decided to find out: Natural Law is god's will, the unified field is the field of all possibilities governed by natural law. Probably be a good idea to read (or reread) the section in SBAL on Impersonal and Personal God... You can't tell the public that though so we have all sorts of diversionary ways of saying it like the best way to do things or what your body wants you to do but your mind sometimes gets wrong Never heard those in the TM context either! that sort of anodyne crap that diverts from the real message that we knew everything and could transform the world if only people would listen and hop along. I always used to wonder what the unified field charts were trying to say, it was clear that they had an intention beyond simply informing the observer what the TMO thought was going on. Um, I don't think the charts had anything to do with the Unified Field having intentions or with worshipping it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
Do you not see the fucking long double path leading into and away from the circle? Anyone can walk into and out of the area in those lanes. Would someone tell me what the aliens are supposed to be doing if they are doing the circles? Either they are screwing with our minds, or they have way too much time on their hands. If you were to have the advanced technology to travel to alien worlds, would you spend time screwing up the aliens crops and having an adverse effect on their food production? Of course, when the crop circles appear, the farmers can charge tuppence a head to view them from the ground, so maybe it makes up for the grain trampled down by their farmer buddies wearing boards on their footses. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: (snip) It has been more than adequately demonstrated that a bunch of guys with planks can make even the most complicated mathematically designed motiffs in the tiny amount of darkness you get midsummer in England. Documentation, pleez? It was an hour long BBC documentary (I've been trying to find it) I think in the Horizon strand. Basically, they got in touch with a group of crop circle makers and asked to film them but doing a design as complex as they can get and in one summer night. Good enough controls really, if you want to test whether there is anything men with planks can't do. Let me know if you find it. I'm skeptical about as complex as they can get. The brief was to design something as complex as had been seen already *and* to make it as hard as possible to organise on the ground at night with a few guys. You are weirder and further out there than I imagined. NO ONE, and certainly not a few guys can copy this without leaving a trace, without braking a single straw, without being photographed and videoteaped in the making. Remember this was not created on the South Pole or some other inhabitated place, but right smack in the middle of The Scorpion Country itself : The Rim of the crop circle at Andechs Abbey is similar to a previous formation atEtchilhampton, nr Devizes, Wiltshire. Reported 25th July 2011. Image The Crop Circle Connector Copyright 2011 Image Stuart Dike Copyright 2011
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: You are weirder and further out there than I imagined. NO ONE, and certainly not a few guys can copy this without leaving a trace, without braking a single straw, without being photographed and videoteaped in the making. Remember this was not created on the South Pole or some other inhabitated place, but right smack in the middle of The Scorpion Country itself : Actually the one in the TV show was more complex than that, I don't this is all that impressive though the folding is a nice touch. As I said in another post, the art of magic is to make you *think* you are seeing something amazing. It's all sleight of hand. Or plank. You kid yourself so easily when you get so amazed that no one saw them making it, you hardly ever see anyone during the day out in the wilds of Dorset, let alone at night. I live here, it's my cycling country, I know these places well. Just get a van and drive around for a while, you'll be off the beaten track in no time, and the chances of being seen or heard in a field at night are vanishingly small. The Rim of the crop circle at Andechs Abbey is similar to a previous formation at Etchilhampton, nr Devizes, Wiltshire. Reported 25th July 2011. Image The Crop Circle Connector Copyright 2011 Image Stuart Dike Copyright 2011
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAHWEH NUKED US BEFORE TRUMAN--TO NABBY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Do you not see the fucking long double path leading into and away from the circle? Anyone can walk into and out of the area in those lanes. Not without leaving footprints inside the circles. Would someone tell me what the aliens are supposed to be doing if they are doing the circles? Noone really knows. But if you were not so infinately lazy and pre-oppupied with your anti-TM and anti-progress campaign, you could start by studying the research showing the nature of the intricate geometric patterns that, for the most part, are well known to humanity. And some are not ofcourse http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/2006/uffington1/uffington200\ 6a.html Wayland Smithy, nr Ashbury, Oxfordshire. Reported 8th July 2006. http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/2006/uffington1/uffington200\ 6a.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/2006/aveburytrusloe/aveburyt\ rusloe2006a.html Avebury Trusloe, nr Beckhampton, Wiltshire. Reported 30th June 2006. http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/2006/aveburytrusloe/aveburyt\ rusloe2006a.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/whatsnew.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/books.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/videos97.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/gallery/circlegallery99.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/ http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/travelog99.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/homes96.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/cons96.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/stateoftheart98.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2011/inter2011.htm http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/ml.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/ImageUsePolicy2004.html http://www.thecropcircleshop.com/ http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/mags97.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/cropcircleresearch.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/advertising.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/conduct.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/third.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1988/celt88.html Charity Down, Nr Andover, Hampshire. Formed late August 1988 http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1988/celt88.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1989/Winterbourne89.html Reported 12th August 1989. http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1989/Winterbourne89.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1990/efield90.html Alton Barnes, Nr Devizes, Wiltshire. Reported 12th July 1990 http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1990/efield90.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1991/barbry91.html Barbury Castle, Nr Wroughton, Wiltshire. Formed 17th July 1991 http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1991/barbry91.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1993/bythorn.html Bythorn, Huntingdonshire. Reported in September 1993 http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1993/bythorn.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1994/crop1.html Spiders Web, Avebury Stone Circle, Nr Devizes, Wiltshire. Reported 10th August 1994 http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1994/crop1.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1995/longwood95.html Longwood Warren, Cheesefoot Head, http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1995/longwood95.html Nr Winchester, Hampshire. Formed 26th June 1995. http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1995/longwood95.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/images/stone2.gif Stonehenge, Wiltshire. Reported 7th July 1996. http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1996/stone96c.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1997/thestrangeattractor97.h\ tml Hackpen Hill, Nr Broad Hinton, Wiltshire. Reported 18th August 1997 http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1997/thestrangeattractor97.h\ tml http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1998/silbury98.html The Beltane Wheel, West Kennett Long barrow, Near Avebury, Wiltshire. Reported Monday 4th May 1998. http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1998/silbury98.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1999/Hackpen/Hackpen99a.html\ Hackpen Hill, nr Broad Hinton, Wiltshire. Reported 4th July 1999. http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/1999/Hackpen/Hackpen99a.html\ http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/2000/aveburytrusloe/aveburyt\ rusloe2000a.html Avebury Trusloe, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. Reported 22nd July 2000. http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/2000/aveburytrusloe/aveburyt\ rusloe2000a.html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/2001/MilkHill2/milkhill2001a\ .html Milk Hill (2), Nr Alton Barnes, Wiltshire. Reported 12th August 2001 http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/2001/MilkHill2/milkhill2001a\ .html http://www.cropcirclearchives.com/archives/2002/Crabwood/crabwood2002a.\ html Crabwood
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
On 05/14/2013 01:21 PM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future. You're assuming that China is still Red? It dumped a communist economic system some time ago. You might want to watch a movie called Last Train Home. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512201/ It'll give you an idea of what Iife is like in China and how it is different from the propaganda you've been fed about it. No it is no capitalist wonderland but not exactly a horrific police state either. But they're a bit disorganized since they know their workers will want to do this yearly trip back home and it is a mess.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Suits and Robes
On 05/14/2013 10:44 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Raja attire aside, does anyone know why all the other TM teachers at the top level all dress alike - is there some spiritual significance to wearing gold ties and fawn colored suits? They have no minds of their own, and are just following the lead of someone who once dressed that way and got Maharishi's attention? :-) Letting your freak flag fly, and all, I am pretty sure you aren't bopping into your latest corporate gig, stylin' huarache sandals and a headband. Do they even let you play your Bruce Cockburn songs, softly, in your cube? I'll reply to this merely to point out how out of touch or essentially conservative and non-freak you are. I work again (as many may have guessed) for IBM, in the same offices that used to be ILOG, the French AI company I worked for before IBM acquired it. Today I wore sandals, jeans, and a T-shirt that says, You can't take the sky from me (a line from Firefly) to work. In the entire building, no one was wearing a suit, including the executives. Everyone was pretty much dressed the way they wanted to, in fact. Our IBM office was chosen from among literally thousands of others to work on the project I'm assigned to *because* the project is at the very top of IBM's Priority List. Without exaggeration, no other project within IBM is seen as being of greater impact to IBM's future and its future bottom line than Worklight. When you have a bunch of developers and information development specialists who have proved their worth in the past, and have consistently produced the best quality work in all of IBM, you don't fuck with that by telling them what to wear. If you had to deal with that, I feel for you. Why didn't you just quit and work for more interesting companies? Where I worked we looked askance at anyone who came to a job interview wearing a suit. We were definitely not a suit company.
