[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Peter wrote: > > > So on the other hand..perhaps lineages are > > important. Like a mantra, a vehicle to ride until it > > is ultimately transcended. It has its utility until > > full Realization then it becomes useless for the > > Realized, but very useful for the seeker. > > I don't think it is useless for the realized, it is actually quite > beneficial. > > It's not unusual for realized teachers to reveal teachings hidden by > previous members of their own line. For example a yogin in the 8th > century may have tapped into some future-strata and retrieved > information on, say, a cancer drug (e.g. "Padma-25") and concealed it > for re-revelation by a particular person at a particular time in the > future. The yogin in the future unlocks the code spontaneously and > re-reveals the teaching. This is a well known practice. The advantage > of your own lineage revealing such a teaching is that it is closer to > sentient beings in space-time in terms of it's manifestation and > therefore these type of practices often yield immediate or very quick > results. > > There are some teachers who the experience of revealing a teaching is > so profound, they recall the experience across lifetimes. > > Often lineage holders will appear in specific ways. This is especially > true of rainbow-body realizers as they can split their body into tens > of thousands of bodies to assist sentient evolution of future- selves. > They are also not restricted by linear time, having mastered samadhi > beyond space and beyond time prior to final realization. One of the aspects of lineage and space-time transcendence shows us that we are in essence the entire line of our own masters; they are ongoing aspects and higher octaves of ourself; as we take a particular initiation, they take a corresponding initiation; indeed we see them as "more enlightened" or "mature" than we are as a matter of personal choice as to which chords of ourself we call into focus. Bentov also mentioned something like this BTW on that Sidhis-prep course -- that he saw the Masters all strung together, skewered with a light-ray through their hearts "like a shishkebab." :-) Or it might look more like bodies sitting one atop another like a totem- pole, but the concept appears to be much the same :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When I was in school, public school, I remember they read a > passage > > from the Bible, sometimes in the morning; I rather enjoyed that > > moment of spiritual reflection, even as a child. > > I suppose, they would have found TM to be a religion, as has been > > said, no matter how it had been presented. > > Now, our culture, has become so anti-spiritual anything, that the > > separation of church and state issue, has in a way undermined the > > right to even have a moment of silence, in school, which is > > currently being debated. > > The one thing that is missing in the schools, in our culture, and > in > > our world, is Silence. > > If you call a process of gaining silence a religion, and ban it > from > > school or any other place, what you end up with is chaos. > > Then chaos becomes the preferred religion, of our time. > > > > Yeah, I remember going on a TM course to Washington DC and due to a > group of TMers earlier meditating for 20 minutes in the public > gallery of the Senate, they passed a law that you couldn't close > your eyes for an extended period in the gallery while the Senate was > in session. > > So when us meditators filed in wearing our ill fitting suits, we > were told specifically that we would have to leave if we closed our > eyes. And you guys wonder why MMY started to change the way he did things... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I was in school, public school, I remember they read a passage > from the Bible, sometimes in the morning; I rather enjoyed that > moment of spiritual reflection, even as a child. > I suppose, they would have found TM to be a religion, as has been > said, no matter how it had been presented. > Now, our culture, has become so anti-spiritual anything, that the > separation of church and state issue, has in a way undermined the > right to even have a moment of silence, in school, which is > currently being debated. > The one thing that is missing in the schools, in our culture, and in > our world, is Silence. > If you call a process of gaining silence a religion, and ban it from > school or any other place, what you end up with is chaos. > Then chaos becomes the preferred religion, of our time. > Yeah, I remember going on a TM course to Washington DC and due to a group of TMers earlier meditating for 20 minutes in the public gallery of the Senate, they passed a law that you couldn't close your eyes for an extended period in the gallery while the Senate was in session. So when us meditators filed in wearing our ill fitting suits, we were told specifically that we would have to leave if we closed our eyes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
When I was in school, public school, I remember they read a passage from the Bible, sometimes in the morning; I rather enjoyed that moment of spiritual reflection, even as a child. I suppose, they would have found TM to be a religion, as has been said, no matter how it had been presented. Now, our culture, has become so anti-spiritual anything, that the separation of church and state issue, has in a way undermined the right to even have a moment of silence, in school, which is currently being debated. The one thing that is missing in the schools, in our culture, and in our world, is Silence. If you call a process of gaining silence a religion, and ban it from school or any other place, what you end up with is chaos. Then chaos becomes the preferred religion, of our time. > > > > > > > > > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape > > (in > > > > > > > reference to > > > > > > > > setting up TM): "I could have made it a > > religion"...well, > > > > > > > somewhere > > > > > > > > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- > > he > > > > DID > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the > > > TMO. > > > > > > > Anyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at > > > MIU, > > > > > > back > > > > > > > around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being > > taught > > > > in > > > > > > > several New Jersey schools with great success, and some > > > > Christian > > > > > > > Religious group from California, protested that you can't > > > > teach > > > > > TM > > > > > > > in Public Schools, because it's a religion; > > > > > > > The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it > > to > > > > be a > > > > > > > religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; > > and > > > > it > > > > > > was > > > > > > > decided not to pursue the matter any further. > > > > > > > Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying > how > > > > stupid > > > > > > > were the "powers that be" and more or less said that they > > had > > > > > > > condemned the school system to failure, in the United > > States, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > we can see has been fairly accurate. > > > > > > > At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement > > > > shifting > > > > > > > toward the stance that it has now; > > > > > > > Instead of working with the established system, the > > movement > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > the established system, whether it be educational, > > spiritual, > > > > > > > political, or economic as basically retarded. > > > > > > > In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has > > > > > > structured > > > > > > > it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in > > order > > > to > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how > > strange > > > > the > > > > > > > people in the movement seem to be, > > > > > > > If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, > > > > > > > I say: "Go for It!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was also at MIU as a student at that time. I remember > > > looking > > > > at > > > > > > the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New > > Jersey > > > > High > > > > > > School students. Very beautiful book with beautiful > > > photographs > > > > of > > > > > > sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only problem was that you could replace the > > word "absolute" > > > > > that > > > > > > the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it > > would > > > > have > > > > > > meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch > > the > > > > TMO > > > > > > on the puja they would have caught them on the book which > > was > > > > set > > > > > up > > > > > > in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church > > and > > > > > state. > > > > > > > > > > The court pretty much noted that. Infact, it wasn't the puja, > > but > > > > SCI > > > > > that was the thing that caught the court's eye. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, then, you are confirming that my concerns were correct. > > > > > > > > Makes me wonder why, then, the movement would do such a thing. > > > > > > Testing the limits, I imagine. > > > > How about, simply, just plain fucking up? > > that's the more obvious interpretation. My own guess is that MMY > wanted too much too fast. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape > (in > > > > > > reference to > > > > > > > setting up TM): "I could have made it a > religion"...well, > > > > > > somewhere > > > > > > > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- > he > > > DID > > > > > > make > > > > > > > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the > > TMO. > > > > > > Anyone > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at > > MIU, > > > > > back > > > > > > around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being > taught > > > in > > > > > > several New Jersey schools with great success, and some > > > Christian > > > > > > Religious group from California, protested that you can't > > > teach > > > > TM > > > > > > in Public Schools, because it's a religion; > > > > > > The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it > to > > > be a > > > > > > religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; > and > > > it > > > > > was > > > > > > decided not to pursue the matter any further. > > > > > > Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying how > > > stupid > > > > > > were the "powers that be" and more or less said that they > had > > > > > > condemned the school system to failure, in the United > States, > > > > > which > > > > > > we can see has been fairly accurate. > > > > > > At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement > > > shifting > > > > > > toward the stance that it has now; > > > > > > Instead of working with the established system, the > movement > > > > > regards > > > > > > the established system, whether it be educational, > spiritual, > > > > > > political, or economic as basically retarded. > > > > > > In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has > > > > > structured > > > > > > it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in > order > > to > > > > > stand > > > > > > out. > > > > > > Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how > strange > > > the > > > > > > people in the movement seem to be, > > > > > > If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, > > > > > > I say: "Go for It!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was also at MIU as a student at that time. I remember > > looking > > > at > > > > > the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New > Jersey > > > High > > > > > School students. Very beautiful book with beautiful > > photographs > > > of > > > > > sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc. > > > > > > > > > > The only problem was that you could replace the > word "absolute" > > > > that > > > > > the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it > would > > > have > > > > > meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch > the > > > TMO > > > > > on the puja they would have caught them on the book which > was > > > set > > > > up > > > > > in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church > and > > > > state. > > > > > > > > The court pretty much noted that. Infact, it wasn't the puja, > but > > > SCI > > > > that was the thing that caught the court's eye. > > > > > > > > > Well, then, you are confirming that my concerns were correct. > > > > > > Makes me wonder why, then, the movement would do such a thing. > > > > Testing the limits, I imagine. > > How about, simply, just plain fucking up? that's the more obvious interpretation. My own guess is that MMY wanted too much too fast. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in > > > > > reference to > > > > > > setting up TM): "I could have made it a religion"...well, > > > > > somewhere > > > > > > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he > > DID > > > > > make > > > > > > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the > TMO. > > > > > Anyone > > > > > > > > > > One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at > MIU, > > > > back > > > > > around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being taught > > in > > > > > several New Jersey schools with great success, and some > > Christian > > > > > Religious group from California, protested that you can't > > teach > > > TM > > > > > in Public Schools, because it's a religion; > > > > > The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it to > > be a > > > > > religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; and > > it > > > > was > > > > > decided not to pursue the matter any further. > > > > > Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying how > > stupid > > > > > were the "powers that be" and more or less said that they had > > > > > condemned the school system to failure, in the United States, > > > > which > > > > > we can see has been fairly accurate. > > > > > At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement > > shifting > > > > > toward the stance that it has now; > > > > > Instead of working with the established system, the movement > > > > regards > > > > > the established system, whether it be educational, spiritual, > > > > > political, or economic as basically retarded. > > > > > In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has > > > > structured > > > > > it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in order > to > > > > stand > > > > > out. > > > > > Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how strange > > the > > > > > people in the movement seem to be, > > > > > If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, > > > > > I say: "Go for It!" > > > > > > > > > > > > I was also at MIU as a student at that time. I remember > looking > > at > > > > the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New Jersey > > High > > > > School students. Very beautiful book with beautiful > photographs > > of > > > > sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc. > > > > > > > > The only problem was that you could replace the word "absolute" > > > that > > > > the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it would > > have > > > > meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch the > > TMO > > > > on the puja they would have caught them on the book which was > > set > > > up > > > > in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church and > > > state. > > > > > > The court pretty much noted that. Infact, it wasn't the puja, but > > SCI > > > that was the thing that caught the court's eye. > > > > > > Well, then, you are confirming that my concerns were correct. > > > > Makes me wonder why, then, the movement would do such a thing. > > Testing the limits, I imagine. How about, simply, just plain fucking up? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
Irmeli:And you are one of the blissful non-angry posters? Sat-yuga isyour lived reality and that reality doesn't know anger, and you aretrying benevolently to shower it upon us angry and negative posters.Or maybe it is because of us, you are not capable of experiencing thissat-yuga yet. And you are trying in your positive and uplifting waysshut our mouths, from where the darkness pours out, which keeps yousteadfastly in the grips of kali-yuga. This whole post goes to the point of my dislike of Maharishi. On the one hand we have a scientifically proven technique to help humankind, but on the other it appeals to the mystical fanaticism of the practitioner to imbue it with other worldly qualities. I believe that Maharishi uses the language of Christian Mysticism with references to Heaven on Earth and so on, playing upon the latent apostle complex of his closest followers to create his movement. He plays both sides against the middle. I guess my main thing, is Irmeli, as you said, clarity and plain dealing. And I don't find that to be the case in TMO. So I must say that it's an institution that lies. That being the case, one can wonder what the real goal of the institution is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 3:08 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > Search for the paragraph beginning "Such a reversal..." > > > and read from there to the section "Growth of the > > > Transcendental Meditation Program." If that's too > > > much of a burden, search for the paragraph beginning > > > "By the process of comparing..." and read down to > > > the quote from his address at Maharishi Nagar. > > > > Yeah, again really nothing new or extraordinary. > > It's "new" as far as the various theories that have > been brought up here are concerned. > > > Again, there has to be a source > > Why does there have to be a source other than MMY > himself? > > >, and I think I know what that source is/was. To be certain I > > would need to know more details. Bottom line is he chose manasika- > > japa, a very common technique. > > He chose mental mantra meditation, yes, we all > know that. That's like saying Mercedes-Benz > chose to make cars. > > The issue is whether his version of mental mantra > meditation is different from those already being > taught, and whether those differences are MMY's > unique contribution. Of course, MMY doesn't claim that you can't learn effortless meditation from some other teacher, only that the wide-spread traditions of meditation have all deteriorated. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 3:08 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > Search for the paragraph beginning "Such a reversal..." > > and read from there to the section "Growth of the > > Transcendental Meditation Program." If that's too > > much of a burden, search for the paragraph beginning > > "By the process of comparing..." and read down to > > the quote from his address at Maharishi Nagar. > > Yeah, again really nothing new or extraordinary. It's "new" as far as the various theories that have been brought up here are concerned. > Again, there has to be a source Why does there have to be a source other than MMY himself? >, and I think I know what that source is/was. To be certain I > would need to know more details. Bottom line is he chose manasika- > japa, a very common technique. He chose mental mantra meditation, yes, we all know that. That's like saying Mercedes-Benz chose to make cars. The issue is whether his version of mental mantra meditation is different from those already being taught, and whether those differences are MMY's unique contribution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 3:08 PM, authfriend wrote: > Search for the paragraph beginning "Such a reversal..." > and read from there to the section "Growth of the > Transcendental Meditation Program." If that's too > much of a burden, search for the paragraph beginning > "By the process of comparing..." and read down to > the quote from his address at Maharishi Nagar. Yeah, again really nothing new or extraordinary. Again, there has to be a source, and I think I know what that source is/was. To be certain I would need to know more details. Bottom line is he chose manasika-japa, a very common technique. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Irmeli:It is a fact that MMY is publicly seen this way. I have difficulties even mentioning my friends that I'm involved in a chat group where TMO also presents itself and its agendas, so bad is its reputation. Sparaig:So bad is your opinion, you mean. I'm happy to go on ANY chat group,including sci.skeptic, and other technical groups, as well as any spiritually oriented group, and argue on behalf of MMY and the TMO, despite the TMO's obvious silliness at times. In my own mind, at least, I win the arguments. Perhaps you're more honest with yourself about who "wins," or perhaps you're so ashamed of your own involvement that you let any fool sway you with bogus arguments. Irmeli:It is not just my opinion. Most people don't know anything about TM. If I tell about its policies, they wonder why I bother to put my attention on such a thing. For those spiritually oriented, who know about it, mentioning TM often creates in them a quite a negative blurt out. Many of those may have got their spiritual awakening through TM in the 70's and they appreciate that, but then they add that they are much happier in their present spiritual organization and don't want to have anything to do with TMO. I have been more open towards TMO, and still am, even if I too am active in other organizations. I cannot defend TMO in those situations, because I understand their criticism to be valid. I seldom mention TM or TMO nowadays, because I don't want to get involved in those discussions. I highly appreciate openness and honesty. And I have had all my life a strong tendency to critically evaluate things and people, myself included. When writing, `winning' is not the ultimate motivator for me, rather discussing, sharing thoughts and ideas and hoping that we together come to more clarity about complicated issues. Here at FFL a lot of deep fine understanding gets expressed. Mostly I comment only, when I disagree with something and feel a kind of emotional stirring inside. That may create an impression of me that is more negative and angry than the reality is. Irmeli: How do you think MMY has earned that kind of reputation? Reputation has to be earned, hasn't it? Sparaig:Not really. Irmeli:This I find to be very odd thinking. Could you elaborate on this? Irmeli: Dalai Lama has managed to create a good reputation. Have you any idea why? Sparaig:Because he doesn't make any claims at all, and just plays the guru game while gathering political support for his government in exile. Irmeli: Are you capable of appreciating and respecting the work of any other contemporary spiritual leader than MMY, or any other spiritual organization than TMO. If you do, could you tell me which ones and why? Irmeli: Or is this all some rude injustice from nature's side. Or maybe people are SO STUPID and you could also blame kali yuga. Sparaig:I just blame you. Irmeli:Are you saying it is because of me MMY has so bad reputation? Sparaig: You are one of the angry-at-MMY Fairfield Life posters, and it shows. Irmeli:And you are one of the blissful non-angry posters? Sat-yuga is your lived reality and that reality doesn't know anger, and you are trying benevolently to shower it upon us angry and negative posters. Or maybe it is because of us, you are not capable of experiencing this sat-yuga yet. And you are trying in your positive and uplifting ways shut our mouths, from where the darkness pours out, which keeps you steadfastly in the grips of kali-yuga. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in > > > > reference to > > > > > setting up TM): "I could have made it a religion"...well, > > > > somewhere > > > > > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he > DID > > > > make > > > > > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. > > > > Anyone > > > > > > > > One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at MIU, > > > back > > > > around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being taught > in > > > > several New Jersey schools with great success, and some > Christian > > > > Religious group from California, protested that you can't > teach > > TM > > > > in Public Schools, because it's a religion; > > > > The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it to > be a > > > > religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; and > it > > > was > > > > decided not to pursue the matter any further. > > > > Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying how > stupid > > > > were the "powers that be" and more or less said that they had > > > > condemned the school system to failure, in the United States, > > > which > > > > we can see has been fairly accurate. > > > > At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement > shifting > > > > toward the stance that it has now; > > > > Instead of working with the established system, the movement > > > regards > > > > the established system, whether it be educational, spiritual, > > > > political, or economic as basically retarded. > > > > In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has > > > structured > > > > it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in order to > > > stand > > > > out. > > > > Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how strange > the > > > > people in the movement seem to be, > > > > If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, > > > > I say: "Go for It!" > > > > > > > > > I was also at MIU as a student at that time. I remember looking > at > > > the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New Jersey > High > > > School students. Very beautiful book with beautiful photographs > of > > > sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc. > > > > > > The only problem was that you could replace the word "absolute" > > that > > > the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it would > have > > > meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch the > TMO > > > on the puja they would have caught them on the book which was > set > > up > > > in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church and > > state. > > > > The court pretty much noted that. Infact, it wasn't the puja, but > SCI > > that was the thing that caught the court's eye. > > > Well, then, you are confirming that my concerns were correct. > > Makes me wonder why, then, the movement would do such a thing. Testing the limits, I imagine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in > > > reference to > > > > setting up TM): "I could have made it a religion"...well, > > > somewhere > > > > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID > > > make > > > > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. > > > Anyone > > > > > > One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at MIU, > > back > > > around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being taught in > > > several New Jersey schools with great success, and some Christian > > > Religious group from California, protested that you can't teach > TM > > > in Public Schools, because it's a religion; > > > The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it to be a > > > religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; and it > > was > > > decided not to pursue the matter any further. > > > Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying how stupid > > > were the "powers that be" and more or less said that they had > > > condemned the school system to failure, in the United States, > > which > > > we can see has been fairly accurate. > > > At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement shifting > > > toward the stance that it has now; > > > Instead of working with the established system, the movement > > regards > > > the established system, whether it be educational, spiritual, > > > political, or economic as basically retarded. > > > In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has > > structured > > > it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in order to > > stand > > > out. > > > Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how strange the > > > people in the movement seem to be, > > > If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, > > > I say: "Go for It!" > > > > > > I was also at MIU as a student at that time. I remember looking at > > the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New Jersey High > > School students. Very beautiful book with beautiful photographs of > > sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc. > > > > The only problem was that you could replace the word "absolute" > that > > the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it would have > > meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch the TMO > > on the puja they would have caught them on the book which was set > up > > in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church and > state. > > The court pretty much noted that. Infact, it wasn't the puja, but SCI > that was the thing that caught the court's eye. Well, then, you are confirming that my concerns were correct. Makes me wonder why, then, the movement would do such a thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/15/05 12:25 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> (Scientific theories are never "proven," Shemp.) > > > > > > I thought that was the whole idea behind science: that the theory > > gets proven by repeatable, verificable scientific experiments. > > The evidence gets stronger and stronger, but they are never proven, because > there is always the possibility that contrary evidence could arise. In fact, contrary evidence almost always arises. What makes a theory stronger isn't the amount of evidence that accrues, but the refinement that results from eliminating and/or revising falsified parts of the theory-sequence. There's no such thing as a scientific "theory," but only a sequence of theories that have been tweaked over some period of time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in > > reference to > > > setting up TM): "I could have made it a religion"...well, > > somewhere > > > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID > > make > > > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. > > Anyone > > > > One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at MIU, > back > > around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being taught in > > several New Jersey schools with great success, and some Christian > > Religious group from California, protested that you can't teach TM > > in Public Schools, because it's a religion; > > The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it to be a > > religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; and it > was > > decided not to pursue the matter any further. > > Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying how stupid > > were the "powers that be" and more or less said that they had > > condemned the school system to failure, in the United States, > which > > we can see has been fairly accurate. > > At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement shifting > > toward the stance that it has now; > > Instead of working with the established system, the movement > regards > > the established system, whether it be educational, spiritual, > > political, or economic as basically retarded. > > In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has > structured > > it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in order to > stand > > out. > > Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how strange the > > people in the movement seem to be, > > If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, > > I say: "Go for It!" > > > I was also at MIU as a student at that time. I remember looking at > the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New Jersey High > School students. Very beautiful book with beautiful photographs of > sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc. > > The only problem was that you could replace the word "absolute" that > the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it would have > meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch the TMO > on the puja they would have caught them on the book which was set up > in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church and state. The court pretty much noted that. Infact, it wasn't the puja, but SCI that was the thing that caught the court's eye. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Peter wrote: > > > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: > >> > >>> All this crap about lineages is absurd. > >> > >> So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the > >> lineage next time you > >> initiate someone? > >> > >> THAT would make an interesting study...those who got > >> the initiation > >> WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it > >> WITHOUT. > > > > Not when it's used that way. What I'm talking about is > > the use of a spiritual lineage as a waking state > > concept used to validate or invalidate a teaching. > > It's useless it that sense and just creates spiritual > > materialism > > I think it probably depends who and what we are talking about. In some > cases the guru yoga and the effectiveness of the transmission rely on > the lineage tree for flow of blessings and maintaining the live wire of > the teaching. It is also what helps the student BECOME the guru rather > than remaining as "student" still hanging around the teacher year after > year after year. While many may boo-hoo lineage, there is nothing more > helpful than being assisted by those who came before you. > > I know for a lot of teachers, the invocation is important for them. > It's the morphogenetic field behind the teaching. MMY has always saidthat the puja is primarily for the teacher... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:30 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > On some level, isn't Maharishi, regardless of what our thoughts of him > > may be, irrelevant to the practice of TM? > > Maybe it depends on whether karma and lineage/tradition has meaning for > you. Or relevance... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:02 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? What about > > Gurudev's? > > M. is still alive, the others are dust. > > Why hasn't a student asked? MMY always says things like monks don't talk about themselves... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > [...] > > > > > We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to > > be > > > > > rejected as a morally and ethically untrustworthy person. > > > > > > > > > > Irmeli > > > > > > > > And you're certain that MMY fits this description? > > > > > > *** > > > Why not? > > > > > > > You're making the accusation. You tell me. > > > It is a fact that MMY is publicly seen this way. I have difficulties > even mentioning my friends that I'm involved in a chat group where TMO > also presents itself and its agendas, so bad is its reputation. > So bad isyour opinion, you mean. I'm happy to go on ANY chat group, including sci.skeptic, and other technical groups, as well as any spiritually oriented group, and argue on behalf of MMY and the TMO, despite the TMO's obvious silliness at times. In my own mind, at least, I win the arguments. Perhaps you're more honest with yourself about who "wins," or perhaps you're so ashamed of your own involvement that you let any fool sway you with bogus arguments. > And that is also how I see it, even if I can see also a bigger > picture, where MMY fulfils an important function, as I wrote in my > comment earlier. > > How do you think he has earned that kind of reputation? Reputation has > to be earned, hasn't it? Not really. > Dalai Lama has managed to create a good reputation. Have you any idea > why? Because he doesn't make any claims at all, and just plays the guru game while gathering political support for his government in exile. > Or is this all some rude injustice from nature's side. Or maybe people > are SO STUPID and you could also blame kali yuga. I just blame you. > > Anyway this is how things are. Yep. You are one of the angry-at-MMY Fairfield Life posters, and it shows. > > Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:32 PM, authfriend wrote: > > >> > >>> Since there is nothing *for* him to "share" about > >>> the transmission details of the technique--as I > >>> just pointed out in the post you're responding to > >>> and quote above (i.e., it wasn't "transmitted" to > >>> him in the first place)--how could the fact that > >>> he doesn't share nonexistent details of a nonexistent > >>> transmission arouse suspicion? > >> > >> How could there be "nothing"? > >> > >> Are you using the True Believer "he cognized them" card? > > > > Just read this and get back to me, OK? > > > > http://tinyurl.com/c3owb > > > I guess I am to assume you are referring to this, which is really > nothing new: No, of course this isn't what I'm referring to. You couldn't be bothered to read further than the third paragraph? Search for the paragraph beginning "Such a reversal..." and read from there to the section "Growth of the Transcendental Meditation Program." If that's too much of a burden, search for the paragraph beginning "By the process of comparing..." and read down to the quote from his address at Maharishi Nagar. But you'll miss some interesting background if you only read this shorter section. > "The discovery is of the effects of the Transcendental > Meditation technique, whose introduction in 1958 was the work of > an Indian scholar and teacher, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. In fact, > Maharishi himself claims not to have invented the technique at > all, but rather to have revived it. It is clear, however, that > he reinvented it; that is to say, he rediscovered and thereby > restored the original purity and effectiveness of a layer of > human knowledge that, although praised and sung in the very > oldest records of human experience, seems somehow to have been > lost from view through confusion and disuse, even in the land of > its origin. " > > If he revived it, then it is "revived" from *something*, as in reviving > the corpse, the "corpse" is revived. What is that something that was > revived? > > Of course it is also so deliberately vague. > > (I am not going to play semantical circle games on this.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
Peter wrote: >--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: >>> >>> >>> Any other guru would be able to clearly delineate the >>historical origins of a >> >> teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. >>>Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just >>> >>> >>don't get it but >>it >> >> >>>really important to know the where's and how's of >>> >>> >>your transmissions. >> >> >>>TM is one of the few that do not tell you really >>> >>> >>any details. In fact >> >> >>>it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood >>> >>> >>from history. >>Almost >> >> >>>every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to >>> >>> >>Yogananda all give >> >> >>>detailed histories. >>> >>> >>So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? >>What about >>Gurudev's? >> >> > >Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on >this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's >all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. >The value of a teaching has nothing to do with >lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest >"dick," but the direct impact that teaching has on >your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only >know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some >time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are >for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form >of life on the planet ;-). > > > > Lineages or traditions are important. Meditation is like wine, you can get a buzz from "two buck chuck" but you will get a great experience from a $50 award winning Cabernet and a rare experience from a vintage $600 Bordeaux. As each guru practices a set of mantras and passes them on to their shishyas they become more and more powerful. So those traditions with a long line have the most powerful techniques. You can learn a mantra from a book but it will be tremendously weak even compared with getting it from someone who has learned it from a guru even if that lineage is short. The caveat the Maharishi uses is to have the initiator perform a puja before each instruction. That charges the initiator temporarily with shakti and empowers the mantra. That's in addition to the shakti the initiator already has. Also note that if you have been practicing meditation for some time and try a mantra out of a book it is not the same as someone who has never practiced meditation trying a mantra out of a book. Your shakti from your meditation will empower the book mantra. It just won't be as strong as when you receive a mantra from a guru. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:32 PM, authfriend wrote: >> >>> Since there is nothing *for* him to "share" about >>> the transmission details of the technique--as I >>> just pointed out in the post you're responding to >>> and quote above (i.e., it wasn't "transmitted" to >>> him in the first place)--how could the fact that >>> he doesn't share nonexistent details of a nonexistent >>> transmission arouse suspicion? >> >> How could there be "nothing"? >> >> Are you using the True Believer "he cognized them" card? > > Just read this and get back to me, OK? > > http://tinyurl.com/c3owb > > > I guess I am to assume you are referring to this, which is really nothing new: "The discovery is of the effects of the Transcendental Meditation technique, whose introduction in 1958 was the work of an Indian scholar and teacher, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. In fact, Maharishi himself claims not to have invented the technique at all, but rather to have revived it. It is clear, however, that he reinvented it; that is to say, he rediscovered and thereby restored the original purity and effectiveness of a layer of human knowledge that, although praised and sung in the very oldest records of human experience, seems somehow to have been lost from view through confusion and disuse, even in the land of its origin. " If he revived it, then it is "revived" from *something*, as in reviving the corpse, the "corpse" is revived. What is that something that was revived? Of course it is also so deliberately vague. (I am not going to play semantical circle games on this.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:51 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > Yes, very much a personal preference. I don't understand what karma > has to do with it though. Maharishi's karma. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/15/05 12:25 PM, shempmcgurk at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> (Scientific theories are never "proven," Shemp.) > > > > > > I thought that was the whole idea behind science: > that the theory > > gets proven by repeatable, verificable scientific > experiments. > > The evidence gets stronger and stronger, but they > are never proven, because > there is always the possibility that contrary > evidence could arise. Yes, all you can do with a scientific theory is either refute it because of empirical evidence that can not be explained by the current version of the theory or say that it is not yet refuted and is the best explanation for now. It's slightly counter-intuitive, but it makes sense if you think about it. Science is not about discovering what "is", but finding the best explanatory concepts to explain what "is." And these concepts change and develop over time. There is no end point that says reality is this particular way. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
on 8/15/05 12:25 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> (Scientific theories are never "proven," Shemp.) > > > I thought that was the whole idea behind science: that the theory > gets proven by repeatable, verificable scientific experiments. The evidence gets stronger and stronger, but they are never proven, because there is always the possibility that contrary evidence could arise. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:11 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > I dunno, Vaj, talking to you can really be > > difficult. > > That's because when we come to your house and ask Judy to come out and > play, she never wants to leave her TMO mental-concept box! > > > Since there is nothing *for* him to "share" about > > the transmission details of the technique--as I > > just pointed out in the post you're responding to > > and quote above (i.e., it wasn't "transmitted" to > > him in the first place)--how could the fact that > > he doesn't share nonexistent details of a nonexistent > > transmission arouse suspicion? > > How could there be "nothing"? > > Are you using the True Believer "he cognized them" card? Just read this and get back to me, OK? http://tinyurl.com/c3owb Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The only problem was that you could replace the word "absolute" > > > > that the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it > > > > would have meant exactly the same thing...so if the court > > > > didn't catch the TMO on the puja they would have caught them on > > > > the book which was set up in such a way that it DID violate the > > > > separation of church and state. > > > > > > Yes and no. > > > > > > The appeals court judge who wrote a long concurring > > > opinion, incidentally, discussed exactly this point. > > > It's very interesting reading; it's been posted to > > > alt.m.t a couple of times. If anybody wants to read > > > it, let me know and I'll dig up the URLs. > > > > > > But you could be a hard-core atheist, in the sense of > > > rejecting the forms of God proclaimed by the religions, > > > and still find the idea of the Absolute entirely > > > compatible with your beliefs. You can teach > > > metaphysics, in other words, without actually > > > teaching religion. > > > > What I found objectionable in the high school book was the way that > > the absolute's attributes were declared as fact. If they had only > > treated it like a scientific theory that had YET been proven > > instead of as fact, then I think it would have passed muster. > > (Scientific theories are never "proven," Shemp.) I thought that was the whole idea behind science: that the theory gets proven by repeatable, verificable scientific experiments. > > I never saw the book, so I don't know what the wording > was that you object to. But TMers are supposed to be > able to verify all of it for themselves in their own > experience. I agree. But the SCIENCE of creative intelligence was supposed to be the theoretical scientific knowledge of the experience of TM that was supposed to be scientifically verifiable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:11 PM, authfriend wrote: > I dunno, Vaj, talking to you can really be > difficult. That's because when we come to your house and ask Judy to come out and play, she never wants to leave her TMO mental-concept box! > Since there is nothing *for* him to "share" about > the transmission details of the technique--as I > just pointed out in the post you're responding to > and quote above (i.e., it wasn't "transmitted" to > him in the first place)--how could the fact that > he doesn't share nonexistent details of a nonexistent > transmission arouse suspicion? How could there be "nothing"? Are you using the True Believer "he cognized them" card? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The only problem was that you could replace the word "absolute" > > > that the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it > > > would have meant exactly the same thing...so if the court > > > didn't catch the TMO on the puja they would have caught them on > > > the book which was set up in such a way that it DID violate the > > > separation of church and state. > > > > Yes and no. > > > > The appeals court judge who wrote a long concurring > > opinion, incidentally, discussed exactly this point. > > It's very interesting reading; it's been posted to > > alt.m.t a couple of times. If anybody wants to read > > it, let me know and I'll dig up the URLs. > > > > But you could be a hard-core atheist, in the sense of > > rejecting the forms of God proclaimed by the religions, > > and still find the idea of the Absolute entirely > > compatible with your beliefs. You can teach > > metaphysics, in other words, without actually > > teaching religion. > > What I found objectionable in the high school book was the way that > the absolute's attributes were declared as fact. If they had only > treated it like a scientific theory that had YET been proven > instead of as fact, then I think it would have passed muster. (Scientific theories are never "proven," Shemp.) I never saw the book, so I don't know what the wording was that you object to. But TMers are supposed to be able to verify all of it for themselves in their own experience. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:05 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > And it's just plain *ridiculous* to demand that MMY > > specify the transmission details of the technique > > itself, given his claim to have revived it after it > > had been lost for many centuries. In effect, > > especially given that it's an oral teaching, TM is > > brand new. > > I don't think anyone is "demanding" it. He didn't share it, so it's > naturally suspicious to some who are used to a greater level of > sharing between teacher and student. I dunno, Vaj, talking to you can really be difficult. Since there is nothing *for* him to "share" about the transmission details of the technique--as I just pointed out in the post you're responding to and quote above (i.e., it wasn't "transmitted" to him in the first place)--how could the fact that he doesn't share nonexistent details of a nonexistent transmission arouse suspicion? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Peter wrote: > So on the other hand..perhaps lineages are > important. Like a mantra, a vehicle to ride until it > is ultimately transcended. It has its utility until > full Realization then it becomes useless for the > Realized, but very useful for the seeker. I don't think it is useless for the realized, it is actually quite beneficial. It's not unusual for realized teachers to reveal teachings hidden by previous members of their own line. For example a yogin in the 8th century may have tapped into some future-strata and retrieved information on, say, a cancer drug (e.g. "Padma-25") and concealed it for re-revelation by a particular person at a particular time in the future. The yogin in the future unlocks the code spontaneously and re-reveals the teaching. This is a well known practice. The advantage of your own lineage revealing such a teaching is that it is closer to sentient beings in space-time in terms of it's manifestation and therefore these type of practices often yield immediate or very quick results. There are some teachers who the experience of revealing a teaching is so profound, they recall the experience across lifetimes. Often lineage holders will appear in specific ways. This is especially true of rainbow-body realizers as they can split their body into tens of thousands of bodies to assist sentient evolution of future-selves. They are also not restricted by linear time, having mastered samadhi beyond space and beyond time prior to final realization. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Peter wrote: > > > Someone who has been working > > with SSRS for many years told me an interesting > story. > > He was in India and he walked by a sanyasi. The > > sanyasi called out "Swami-ji" When he stopped and > > turned to the sanyasi, the sanyasi looked at him > and > > said, "No, not a swami..you're with > > Maharishi..no, no.Oh! You're one of Sri > > Sri's!" Perhaps a morphogenetic field effect at > work. > > Yeah, it's considered part of the realization of the > illusory body, > once you have that realization, you just "see" the > initiation symbols > on the illusory body of others. Even people who do > not have that > realization sometimes see it. I know of at least two > people who have > looked at the Dalai Lama during initiations and seen > him in his > transformation form as the deity Kalachakra. So on the other hand..perhaps lineages are important. Like a mantra, a vehicle to ride until it is ultimately transcended. It has its utility until full Realization then it becomes useless for the Realized, but very useful for the seeker. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Peter wrote: > Someone who has been working > with SSRS for many years told me an interesting story. > He was in India and he walked by a sanyasi. The > sanyasi called out "Swami-ji" When he stopped and > turned to the sanyasi, the sanyasi looked at him and > said, "No, not a swami..you're with > Maharishi..no, no.Oh! You're one of Sri > Sri's!" Perhaps a morphogenetic field effect at work. Yeah, it's considered part of the realization of the illusory body, once you have that realization, you just "see" the initiation symbols on the illusory body of others. Even people who do not have that realization sometimes see it. I know of at least two people who have looked at the Dalai Lama during initiations and seen him in his transformation form as the deity Kalachakra. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, uns_tressor wrote: > > > > > > > > > I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic > > > > > life rather than to householders. > > > > > Uns. > > > > > > > > It might be time for the MMY and Guru Dev OM FAQ. > > > > > > Yes indeed. I didn't really follow that thread and > > > would appreciate an edited summary of its arguments. > > > > > > If anyone does it, thanks! > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > Why not just use it once as a mantra for 10 or 20 min. and see what > > happens? > > So you think that the detrimental effects of a mantra, assuming there > are any,would be immediately noticable to anyone? Of this FFL group? Yes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in > > > reference to > > > > setting up TM): "I could have made it a religion"...well, > > > somewhere > > > > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID > > > make > > > > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. > > > Anyone > > > > > > One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at MIU, > > back > > > around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being taught in > > > several New Jersey schools with great success, and some Christian > > > Religious group from California, protested that you can't teach > TM > > > in Public Schools, because it's a religion; > > > The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it to be a > > > religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; and it > > was > > > decided not to pursue the matter any further. > > > Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying how stupid > > > were the "powers that be" and more or less said that they had > > > condemned the school system to failure, in the United States, > > which > > > we can see has been fairly accurate. > > > At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement shifting > > > toward the stance that it has now; > > > Instead of working with the established system, the movement > > regards > > > the established system, whether it be educational, spiritual, > > > political, or economic as basically retarded. > > > In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has > > structured > > > it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in order to > > stand > > > out. > > > Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how strange the > > > people in the movement seem to be, > > > If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, > > > I say: "Go for It!" > > > > > > I was also at MIU as a student at that time. I remember looking at > > the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New Jersey High > > School students. Very beautiful book with beautiful photographs of > > sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc. > > > > The only problem was that you could replace the word "absolute" > > that the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it would > > have meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch > > the TMO on the puja they would have caught them on the book which > > was set up in such a way that it DID violate the separation of > > church and state. > > Yes and no. > > The appeals court judge who wrote a long concurring > opinion, incidentally, discussed exactly this point. > It's very interesting reading; it's been posted to > alt.m.t a couple of times. If anybody wants to read > it, let me know and I'll dig up the URLs. > > But you could be a hard-core atheist, in the sense of > rejecting the forms of God proclaimed by the religions, > and still find the idea of the Absolute entirely > compatible with your beliefs. You can teach > metaphysics, in other words, without actually > teaching religion. What I found objectionable in the high school book was the way that the absolute's attributes were declared as fact. If they had only treated it like a scientific theory that had YET been proven instead of as fact, then I think it would have passed muster. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:05 AM, authfriend wrote: > And it's just plain *ridiculous* to demand that MMY > specify the transmission details of the technique > itself, given his claim to have revived it after it > had been lost for many centuries. In effect, > especially given that it's an oral teaching, TM is > brand new. I don't think anyone is "demanding" it. He didn't share it, so it's naturally suspicious to some who are used to a greater level of sharing between teacher and student. Some just "do as they're told." That would be just too Milgram-esque for me personally. milgram's 37 we do what we're told we do what we're told we do what we're told told to do we do what we're told we do what we're told we do what we're told told to do one doubt one voice one war one truth one dream -Peter Gabriel Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in > > reference to > > > setting up TM): "I could have made it a religion"...well, > > somewhere > > > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID > > make > > > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. > > Anyone > > > > One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at MIU, > back > > around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being taught in > > several New Jersey schools with great success, and some Christian > > Religious group from California, protested that you can't teach TM > > in Public Schools, because it's a religion; > > The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it to be a > > religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; and it > was > > decided not to pursue the matter any further. > > Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying how stupid > > were the "powers that be" and more or less said that they had > > condemned the school system to failure, in the United States, > which > > we can see has been fairly accurate. > > At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement shifting > > toward the stance that it has now; > > Instead of working with the established system, the movement > regards > > the established system, whether it be educational, spiritual, > > political, or economic as basically retarded. > > In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has > structured > > it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in order to > stand > > out. > > Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how strange the > > people in the movement seem to be, > > If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, > > I say: "Go for It!" > > > I was also at MIU as a student at that time. I remember looking at > the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New Jersey High > School students. Very beautiful book with beautiful photographs of > sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc. > > The only problem was that you could replace the word "absolute" > that the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it would > have meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch > the TMO on the puja they would have caught them on the book which > was set up in such a way that it DID violate the separation of > church and state. Yes and no. The appeals court judge who wrote a long concurring opinion, incidentally, discussed exactly this point. It's very interesting reading; it's been posted to alt.m.t a couple of times. If anybody wants to read it, let me know and I'll dig up the URLs. But you could be a hard-core atheist, in the sense of rejecting the forms of God proclaimed by the religions, and still find the idea of the Absolute entirely compatible with your beliefs. You can teach metaphysics, in other words, without actually teaching religion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
Yes, it is a lineage of consciousness. What particularform the teaching will take is secondary to theRealization that carries the lineage. I likethat...the Realization carries the lineage, not theother way around.-You might like that, but just because I take plugs of yopo in the nostrils and trip on the jaguar doesn't mean I am a Mayan. Just because I learn mantra japa from Sri Sri doesn't mean I am in TM lineage. If I learn mantra japa from a fallen TM teacher am I in TM lineage and am I in the Holy Tradition? There is a guru though for such upstart traditions, if one cognizes him, and that is Dattatreya. If I teach my Bhagalamukhi Mahavidya sadhana to someone and they ask who my lineage is I will tell them Dattatreya. The fact that I was initiated into Dattatreya lineage is besides the point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
The above is interesting. Someone who has been workingwith SSRS for many years told me an interesting story.He was in India and he walked by a sanyasi. Thesanyasi called out "Swami-ji" When he stopped andturned to the sanyasi, the sanyasi looked at him andsaid, "No, not a swami..you're withMaharishi..no, no.Oh! You're one of SriSri's!" Perhaps a morphogenetic field effect at work.More likely he could see the akasha tattva. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Look at what Peter wrote again. He said explicitly > > he is not talking about the "morphogenetic field" > > notion when he said the crap about lineages is absurd. > > Why would I need to look at it again when I know from my own > experience how important it is? Why would I want to separate them? Non sequitur. You were defending the importance of the "morphogenetic field" as if Peter had dismissed it, when he had not. Hence my suggestion that you reread what he wrote. > It's also helpful in other ways. For example one may find other > students of your teachers original teacher and decide to hang with > them and see how the current of transmission developed there. Or > experience other aspects of the teaching. Personally I would not > ignore the interrelatedness, because it really seems that's how > things are. It even can be important on a material level. The discussion, Vaj, was about the notion that it was *essential* for a teaching to have a traceable lineage; TM was being criticized for not having one. Hence Peter's comment that he thought the insistence on a lineage was absurd. That's the point of disagreement, not the "morphogenetic" issue. I haven't seen anyone disagree with that. > Now where you have someone selling a technique using phrases such > as "the Holy Shankaracharya Order" to bolster image and name brand > and price--yes, then we might agree, there is a downside to > spiritual materialistic aspects of line (which the TMO and it's CEO > so admirably embody). Uh-huh. Except I don't believe TM is sold using such phrases. Guru Dev is mentioned in the intro lecture, and the fact that the puja is addressed to the masters of the Holy Tradition is mentioned, but neither is used as a selling point. > In many ways the TMO epitomizes Spiritual > Materialism--at > least in the sense Chogyam Trungpa originally coined the phrase. > > If it's not important to you and Dr. Pete, that's fine too. What's not important to me and Dr. Pete is the idea that a teaching must have a traceable lineage. It may perhaps be useful in some circumstances, but as Peter said, to validate or invalidate it by that criterion is just silly. That would mean no new teaching could ever be considered valid. And it's just plain *ridiculous* to demand that MMY specify the transmission details of the technique itself, given his claim to have revived it after it had been lost for many centuries. In effect, especially given that it's an oral teaching, TM is brand new. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
Pretty close, I reckon. At least, at once removed.Did not Guru Dev spend 30 years in solitude in a cave where he cognised the TM teaching method etcetc etc from the absolute (like Einstein and histheories); then he taught Maharishi.Uns.---The four Shankaracharya seats each have a presiding deity. In the North they practice on Sri Vidya. Other seats might be more Shiva or more Vishnu. In Guru Devs case he practiced Sri Vidya. The TM technique is merely silent mental repetition of the sanskrit sounds of Shakti. Maharishi dummied down the Sri Vidya technique for quick teaching and sales. Sort of like taking a woman and instead of letting her find true love and a deep relationship with someone, instead handling her like property and selling quickies. The real path has never really been taught. The tantric path of union with the Divine Mother. that's what we do in TM. The mantra is the mudra or one with whom we practice union. The mantra is the element of divine pragya, but who knows this? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in > reference to > > setting up TM): "I could have made it a religion"...well, > somewhere > > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID > make > > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. > Anyone > > One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at MIU, back > around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being taught in > several New Jersey schools with great success, and some Christian > Religious group from California, protested that you can't teach TM > in Public Schools, because it's a religion; > The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it to be a > religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; and it was > decided not to pursue the matter any further. > Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying how stupid > were the "powers that be" and more or less said that they had > condemned the school system to failure, in the United States, which > we can see has been fairly accurate. > At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement shifting > toward the stance that it has now; > Instead of working with the established system, the movement regards > the established system, whether it be educational, spiritual, > political, or economic as basically retarded. > In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has structured > it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in order to stand > out. > Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how strange the > people in the movement seem to be, > If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, > I say: "Go for It!" I was also at MIU as a student at that time. I remember looking at the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New Jersey High School students. Very beautiful book with beautiful photographs of sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc. The only problem was that you could replace the word "absolute" that the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it would have meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch the TMO on the puja they would have caught them on the book which was set up in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church and state. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:30 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > On some level, isn't Maharishi, regardless of what our thoughts of him > > may be, irrelevant to the practice of TM? > > Maybe it depends on whether karma and lineage/tradition has meaning for > you. Yes, very much a personal preference. I don't understand what karma has to do with it though. The TM technique as it is exists freely in a quantum state. We either pick it up, or we don't. Doesn't really matter who 'discovered' or 'uncovered' it this time around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > snip > > I think it probably depends who and what we are > talking about. In some > cases the guru yoga and the effectiveness of the > transmission rely on > the lineage tree for flow of blessings and > maintaining the live wire of > the teaching. It is also what helps the student > BECOME the guru rather > than remaining as "student" still hanging around the > teacher year after > year after year. While many may boo-hoo lineage, > there is nothing more > helpful than being assisted by those who came before > you. > > I know for a lot of teachers, the invocation is > important for them. > It's the morphogenetic field behind the teaching. The above is interesting. Someone who has been working with SSRS for many years told me an interesting story. He was in India and he walked by a sanyasi. The sanyasi called out "Swami-ji" When he stopped and turned to the sanyasi, the sanyasi looked at him and said, "No, not a swami..you're with Maharishi..no, no.Oh! You're one of Sri Sri's!" Perhaps a morphogenetic field effect at work. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: > Look at what Peter wrote again. He said explicitly > he is not talking about the "morphogenetic field" > notion when he said the crap about lineages is absurd. Why would I need to look at it again when I know from my own experience how important it is? Why would I want to separate them? It's also helpful in other ways. For example one may find other students of your teachers original teacher and decide to hang with them and see how the current of transmission developed there. Or experience other aspects of the teaching. Personally I would not ignore the interrelatedness, because it really seems that's how things are. It even can be important on a material level. Thus from my perspective those who have used the TMO as a springboard for exploring other aspects of the teaching seems an incredibly healthy way. Now where you have someone selling a technique using phrases such as "the Holy Shankaracharya Order" to bolster image and name brand and price--yes, then we might agree, there is a downside to spiritual materialistic aspects of line (which the TMO and it's CEO so admirably embody). In many ways the TMO epitomizes Spiritual Materialism--at least in the sense Chogyam Trungpa originally coined the phrase. If it's not important to you and Dr. Pete, that's fine too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Peter wrote: > > > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: > >> > >>> All this crap about lineages is absurd. > >> > >> So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the > >> lineage next time you > >> initiate someone? > >> > >> THAT would make an interesting study...those who got > >> the initiation > >> WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it > >> WITHOUT. > > > > Not when it's used that way. What I'm talking about is > > the use of a spiritual lineage as a waking state > > concept used to validate or invalidate a teaching. > > It's useless it that sense and just creates spiritual > > materialism > > I think it probably depends who and what we are talking about. In > some cases the guru yoga and the effectiveness of the transmission > rely on the lineage tree for flow of blessings and maintaining the > live wire of the teaching. It is also what helps the student BECOME > the guru rather than remaining as "student" still hanging around > the teacher year after year after year. While many may boo-hoo > lineage, there is nothing more helpful than being assisted by those > who came before you. > > I know for a lot of teachers, the invocation is important for them. > It's the morphogenetic field behind the teaching. Look at what Peter wrote again. He said explicitly he is not talking about the "morphogenetic field" notion when he said the crap about lineages is absurd. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > As you know, that lineage is of the "Holy > Tradition," not of the technique itself. Yes, it is a lineage of consciousness. What particular form the teaching will take is secondary to the Realization that carries the lineage. I like that...the Realization carries the lineage, not the other way around. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Peter wrote: > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: >> >>> All this crap about lineages is absurd. >> >> So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the >> lineage next time you >> initiate someone? >> >> THAT would make an interesting study...those who got >> the initiation >> WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it >> WITHOUT. > > Not when it's used that way. What I'm talking about is > the use of a spiritual lineage as a waking state > concept used to validate or invalidate a teaching. > It's useless it that sense and just creates spiritual > materialism I think it probably depends who and what we are talking about. In some cases the guru yoga and the effectiveness of the transmission rely on the lineage tree for flow of blessings and maintaining the live wire of the teaching. It is also what helps the student BECOME the guru rather than remaining as "student" still hanging around the teacher year after year after year. While many may boo-hoo lineage, there is nothing more helpful than being assisted by those who came before you. I know for a lot of teachers, the invocation is important for them. It's the morphogenetic field behind the teaching. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique > > that, according to him, is his revival of an oral > > teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and > > folks demand to know its detailed history right > > down to the present. > > > > It's a little like asking Einstein who told him > > about the theory of relativity... > > > > (Not *exactly* like that, obviously, but the closest > > thing I can think of.) > > Pretty close, I reckon. At least, at once removed. > Did not Guru Dev spend 30 years in solitude in > a cave where he cognised the TM teaching method etc > etc etc from the absolute (like Einstein and his > theories); then he taught Maharishi. My understanding is that MMY himself came up with TM. It isn't something that Guru Dev taught specifically, although presumably it's grounded in Guru Dev's teaching about the nature and mechanics of consciousness. The first volume of the Collected Papers, published back in 1975, contains an introductory essay written by Larry Domash (and almost certainly approved by MMY) that makes it pretty clear the TM technique is MMY's own "invention" (or revival, as the case may be). TM teacher James Cook posted the first half of the essay (it's very long) on alt.meditation.transcendental back in 1993. The essay was written primarily for scientists, who, it was hoped, would be perusing the TM research studies. It's really beautifully written and extremely clear, although you'll encounter a fair amount of typical TM hype as well. Here's the URL to the post: http://tinyurl.com/c3owb The whole essay is fascinating, especially the section headed "The Origin of the Transcendental Meditation Technique," but if you want to cut to the chase, search for the paragraph beginning "By the process of comparing..." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: > > > > > All this crap about lineages is absurd. > > > > So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the > > lineage next time you > > initiate someone? > > > > THAT would make an interesting study...those who got > > the initiation > > WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it > > WITHOUT. On my TTC in 1975, the initiation process was referring to a lineage inside the Shankaracharya Tradition. The explanation was given out in paper. The same with the invocation, that we as "old" TM-Teachers still use. Later on, I think MMY stopped to give out the explanations in paper. Before in the 60ths, he gave out even more, according to my "library". Ingegerd > Not when it's used that way. What I'm talking about is > the use of a spiritual lineage as a waking state > concept used to validate or invalidate a teaching. > It's useless it that sense and just creates spiritual > materialism > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > > Yahoo! your home page > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > > > ~-> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 6:53 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique > > that, according to him, is his revival of an oral > > teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and > > folks demand to know its detailed history right > > down to the present. > > I don't know about you, but when I was initiated the lineage was > given in an invocation during my initiation. As you know, that lineage is of the "Holy Tradition," not of the technique itself. > It's good to connect the wires before throwing the light switch. I refer you to Peter's response: > Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on > this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's > all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. > The value of a teaching has nothing to do with > lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest > "dick," but the direct impact that teaching has on > your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only > know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some > time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are > for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form > of life on the planet ;-). > > Are you sure you're practicing TM ;-)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique > that, according to him, is his revival of an oral > teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and > folks demand to know its detailed history right > down to the present. > > It's a little like asking Einstein who told him > about the theory of relativity... > > (Not *exactly* like that, obviously, but the closest > thing I can think of.) Pretty close, I reckon. At least, at once removed. Did not Guru Dev spend 30 years in solitude in a cave where he cognised the TM teaching method etc etc etc from the absolute (like Einstein and his theories); then he taught Maharishi. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > > > > Any other > > > > > guru would be able to clearly delineate the > > > historical origins of a > > > > > teaching. If they can't then they are > suspect. > > > > > > > > Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many > just > > > don't get it but > > > it > > > > really important to know the where's and how's > of > > > your transmissions. > > > > TM is one of the few that do not tell you > really > > > any details. In fact > > > > it appears M. has pretty much hidden his > childhood > > > from history. > > > Almost > > > > every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to > > > Yogananda all give > > > > detailed histories. > > > > > > So where's the detailed history of Jesus' > childhood? > > > What about > > > Gurudev's? > > > > Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence > on > > this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. > It's > > all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego > up. > > The value of a teaching has nothing to do with > > lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the > biggest > > "dick," but the direct impact that teaching has on > > your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You > only > > know the value of a teaching if you follow it for > some > > time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles > are > > for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest > form > > of life on the planet ;-). > > Titles? We don't need no stinkin' titles! > > (For that matter, we don't need no stinkin' badges > either) :-) No badges, no titles...all is calm. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: > > > All this crap about lineages is absurd. > > So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the > lineage next time you > initiate someone? > > THAT would make an interesting study...those who got > the initiation > WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it > WITHOUT. Not when it's used that way. What I'm talking about is the use of a spiritual lineage as a waking state concept used to validate or invalidate a teaching. It's useless it that sense and just creates spiritual materialism > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 6:53 AM, authfriend wrote: > It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique > that, according to him, is his revival of an oral > teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and > folks demand to know its detailed history right > down to the present. I don't know about you, but when I was initiated the lineage was given in an invocation during my initiation. It's good to connect the wires before throwing the light switch. Are you sure you're practicing TM ;-)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: > All this crap about lineages is absurd. So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the lineage next time you initiate someone? THAT would make an interesting study...those who got the initiation WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it WITHOUT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:09 AM, sparaig wrote: > Why do YOU care about caste laws in India, when even the INdians can't > make up their minds in this situation? I could care less. It's interesting to watch the "he's THIS", no, "he's THIS" thing perpetuated my M.'s silence and the fear of his students to ask him the tension breaking question(s). Why the fear? Interesting to watch Rajneesh essentially call M. a "nigger" and challenge him to drink at the same water fountain. No wonder he hid in his hotel. TMO keeps perpetuating it's own stories. Gotta love the lila but someone should shatter the tension. It's like an uncomfortable silence in the room that extends over decades. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:02 AM, sparaig wrote: > So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? What about > Gurudev's? M. is still alive, the others are dust. Why hasn't a student asked? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > > Any other > > > > guru would be able to clearly delineate the > > historical origins of a > > > > teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. > > > > > > Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just > > don't get it but > > it > > > really important to know the where's and how's of > > your transmissions. > > > TM is one of the few that do not tell you really > > any details. In fact > > > it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood > > from history. > > Almost > > > every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to > > Yogananda all give > > > detailed histories. > > > > So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? > > What about > > Gurudev's? > > Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on > this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's > all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. > The value of a teaching has nothing to do with > lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest > "dick," but the direct impact that teaching has on > your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only > know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some > time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are > for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form > of life on the planet ;-). Titles? We don't need no stinkin' titles! (For that matter, we don't need no stinkin' badges either) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:30 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > On some level, isn't Maharishi, regardless of what our thoughts of him > may be, irrelevant to the practice of TM? Maybe it depends on whether karma and lineage/tradition has meaning for you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > > Any other > > > > guru would be able to clearly delineate the > > historical origins of a > > > > teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. > > > > > > Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just > > don't get it but > > it > > > really important to know the where's and how's of > > your transmissions. > > > TM is one of the few that do not tell you really > > any details. In fact > > > it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood > > from history. > > Almost > > > every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to > > Yogananda all give > > > detailed histories. > > > > So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? > > What about > > Gurudev's? > > Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on > this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's > all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. > The value of a teaching has nothing to do with > lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest > "dick," but the direct impact that teaching has on > your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only > know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some > time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are > for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form > of life on the planet ;-). It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique that, according to him, is his revival of an oral teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and folks demand to know its detailed history right down to the present. It's a little like asking Einstein who told him about the theory of relativity... (Not *exactly* like that, obviously, but the closest thing I can think of.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > [...] > > > > We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to > be > > > > rejected as a morally and ethically untrustworthy person. > > > > > > > > Irmeli > > > > > > And you're certain that MMY fits this description? > > > > *** > > Why not? > > > > You're making the accusation. You tell me. It is a fact that MMY is publicly seen this way. I have difficulties even mentioning my friends that I'm involved in a chat group where TMO also presents itself and its agendas, so bad is its reputation. And that is also how I see it, even if I can see also a bigger picture, where MMY fulfils an important function, as I wrote in my comment earlier. How do you think he has earned that kind of reputation? Reputation has to be earned, hasn't it? Dalai Lama has managed to create a good reputation. Have you any idea why? Or is this all some rude injustice from nature's side. Or maybe people are SO STUPID and you could also blame kali yuga. Anyway this is how things are. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" [...] > > > We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to be > > > rejected as a morally and ethically untrustworthy person. > > > > > > Irmeli > > > > And you're certain that MMY fits this description? > > *** > Why not? > You're making the accusation. You tell me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I just flat out hate his guts. > > > > > > I don't. The crazier he gets in the last days of his > > > life, the more I miss the person who seem genuinely > > > happy teaching individuals to meditate in the early > > > days. The more grandiose and irrational his dying > > > schemes, the sadder I feel for the loss of the Maha- > > > rishi who was once happy teaching basic meditation > > > to basic people. The more he sets up horrible karmas > > > for himself in the Bardo, the sorrier for him I feel, > > > and the sadder I feel for the lost opportunities he > > > squandered by feeding his own ego. > > > > > > Maharishi isn't to be hated; he's to be pitied. > > > > > > And even now he can still be useful to the spiritual > > > seeker as a living lesson in how not to make the same > > > mistakes in our own lives. > > > > > > For the latter, we can and should still be grateful. > > > > > > > > I don't even pity MMY. When I try to figure out my feelings towards > > him, the result is blank. > > > > But intellectually I like to analyse his behaviour and I can see him > > to fulfil an important function as a conman gone crazy. He has > > deserved that important role. It is vital to understand that even > > `enlightened' people can behave like that. Especially those we can > see > > as enlightened often do. When they are driven to expose the other > side > > of themselves , there is nothing to pity about. I have seen this > > happen elsewhere too and it makes me feel that there is deep justice > > in Nature's functioning that helps us or forces us to evolve. > > > > We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to be > > rejected as a morally and ethically untrustworthy person. > > > > Irmeli > > And you're certain that MMY fits this description? *** Why not? Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > I just flat out hate his guts. > > > > I don't. The crazier he gets in the last days of his > > life, the more I miss the person who seem genuinely > > happy teaching individuals to meditate in the early > > days. The more grandiose and irrational his dying > > schemes, the sadder I feel for the loss of the Maha- > > rishi who was once happy teaching basic meditation > > to basic people. The more he sets up horrible karmas > > for himself in the Bardo, the sorrier for him I feel, > > and the sadder I feel for the lost opportunities he > > squandered by feeding his own ego. > > > > Maharishi isn't to be hated; he's to be pitied. > > > > And even now he can still be useful to the spiritual > > seeker as a living lesson in how not to make the same > > mistakes in our own lives. > > > > For the latter, we can and should still be grateful. > > > > I don't even pity MMY. When I try to figure out my feelings towards > him, the result is blank. > > But intellectually I like to analyse his behaviour and I can see him > to fulfil an important function as a conman gone crazy. He has > deserved that important role. It is vital to understand that even > `enlightened' people can behave like that. Especially those we can see > as enlightened often do. When they are driven to expose the other side > of themselves , there is nothing to pity about. I have seen this > happen elsewhere too and it makes me feel that there is deep justice > in Nature's functioning that helps us or forces us to evolve. > > We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to be > rejected as a morally and ethically untrustworthy person. > > Irmeli And you're certain that MMY fits this description? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I just flat out hate his guts. > > I don't. The crazier he gets in the last days of his > life, the more I miss the person who seem genuinely > happy teaching individuals to meditate in the early > days. The more grandiose and irrational his dying > schemes, the sadder I feel for the loss of the Maha- > rishi who was once happy teaching basic meditation > to basic people. The more he sets up horrible karmas > for himself in the Bardo, the sorrier for him I feel, > and the sadder I feel for the lost opportunities he > squandered by feeding his own ego. > > Maharishi isn't to be hated; he's to be pitied. > > And even now he can still be useful to the spiritual > seeker as a living lesson in how not to make the same > mistakes in our own lives. > > For the latter, we can and should still be grateful. I don't even pity MMY. When I try to figure out my feelings towards him, the result is blank. But intellectually I like to analyse his behaviour and I can see him to fulfil an important function as a conman gone crazy. He has deserved that important role. It is vital to understand that even `enlightened' people can behave like that. Especially those we can see as enlightened often do. When they are driven to expose the other side of themselves , there is nothing to pity about. I have seen this happen elsewhere too and it makes me feel that there is deep justice in Nature's functioning that helps us or forces us to evolve. We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to be rejected as a morally and ethically untrustworthy person. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
I don't know why anyone who American, would praise the caste system in India; I just don't get that part. As far as Maharishi, deciding or having it decided for him, that his path was not meant for Shankaracharya, thank God. As far as wanting to know more than Maharishi's name, rank and serial number, I think that is because of the need to feel close to him, when he is not as available now, as he once was... > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Peter wrote: > > > > > More stories to keep the mind attached. > > > > More ways to hide. Bad for the faith of the students. True story. > > Stories vs stories. > > ANd just what is MMY hiding? We already know that his caste was not > suitable for being Shankaracharya. > > We also know that depending on which judge you listen to concerning > which part of the country he comes from, his caste is considered one > thing or the other. > > Why do YOU care about caste laws in India, when even the INdians can't > make up their minds in this situation? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > > Any other > > > > guru would be able to clearly delineate the > > historical origins of a > > > > teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. > > > > > > Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just > > don't get it but > > it > > > really important to know the where's and how's of > > your transmissions. > > > TM is one of the few that do not tell you really > > any details. In fact > > > it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood > > from history. > > Almost > > > every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to > > Yogananda all give > > > detailed histories. > > > > So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? > > What about > > Gurudev's? > > Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on > this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's > all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. > The value of a teaching has nothing to do with > lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest > "dick," but the direct impact that teaching has on > your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only > know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some > time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are > for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form > of life on the planet ;-). > > > I don't claim that it is completely valueless, but some of the most famous teachers of all time are virtually mute about their childhood backgrounds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > Any other > > > guru would be able to clearly delineate the > historical origins of a > > > teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. > > > > Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just > don't get it but > it > > really important to know the where's and how's of > your transmissions. > > TM is one of the few that do not tell you really > any details. In fact > > it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood > from history. > Almost > > every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to > Yogananda all give > > detailed histories. > > So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? > What about > Gurudev's? Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. The value of a teaching has nothing to do with lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest "dick," but the direct impact that teaching has on your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form of life on the planet ;-). > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, uns_tressor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic > > > > > > life rather than to householders. > > > > > > Uns. > > > > > > > > > > It might be time for the MMY and Guru Dev OM FAQ. > > > > > > > > Yes indeed. I didn't really follow that thread and > > > > would appreciate an edited summary of its arguments. > > > > > > > > If anyone does it, thanks! > > > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > > > Why not just use it once as a mantra for 10 or 20 min. and see > what > > > happens? > > > > So you think that the detrimental effects of a mantra, assuming > there > > are any,would be immediately noticable to anyone? > > FWIW: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone > > ~;0 I once challenged my music theory teacher's claim that just about ANY variation of produceable sound was called "music" by some culture or another by mentioning the tritone. Turns out there is a system of African music based exclusively on tritones. IOW, unless there's a documentable physiological effect from tritones, there's no reason to assume that our wincing when we hear one is due to anything more than cultural background. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
> > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in reference to > setting up TM): "I could have made it a religion"...well, somewhere > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID make > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. Anyone One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at MIU, back around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being taught in several New Jersey schools with great success, and some Christian Religious group from California, protested that you can't teach TM in Public Schools, because it's a religion; The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it to be a religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; and it was decided not to pursue the matter any further. Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying how stupid were the "powers that be" and more or less said that they had condemned the school system to failure, in the United States, which we can see has been fairly accurate. At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement shifting toward the stance that it has now; Instead of working with the established system, the movement regards the established system, whether it be educational, spiritual, political, or economic as basically retarded. In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has structured it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in order to stand out. Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how strange the people in the movement seem to be, If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, I say: "Go for It!" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, uns_tressor wrote: > > > > > > > > > I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic > > > > > life rather than to householders. > > > > > Uns. > > > > > > > > It might be time for the MMY and Guru Dev OM FAQ. > > > > > > Yes indeed. I didn't really follow that thread and > > > would appreciate an edited summary of its arguments. > > > > > > If anyone does it, thanks! > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > Why not just use it once as a mantra for 10 or 20 min. and see what > > happens? > > So you think that the detrimental effects of a mantra, assuming there > are any,would be immediately noticable to anyone? FWIW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone ~;0 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, uns_tressor wrote: > > > > > > > I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic > > > > life rather than to householders. > > > > Uns. > > > > > > It might be time for the MMY and Guru Dev OM FAQ. > > > > Yes indeed. I didn't really follow that thread and > > would appreciate an edited summary of its arguments. > > > > If anyone does it, thanks! > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > Why not just use it once as a mantra for 10 or 20 min. and see what > happens? So you think that the detrimental effects of a mantra, assuming there are any,would be immediately noticable to anyone? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Peter wrote: > > > More stories to keep the mind attached. > > More ways to hide. Bad for the faith of the students. True story. Stories vs stories. ANd just what is MMY hiding? We already know that his caste was not suitable for being Shankaracharya. We also know that depending on which judge you listen to concerning which part of the country he comes from, his caste is considered one thing or the other. Why do YOU care about caste laws in India, when even the INdians can't make up their minds in this situation? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > Any other > > guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a > > teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. > > Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just don't get it but it > really important to know the where's and how's of your transmissions. > TM is one of the few that do not tell you really any details. In fact > it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood from history. Almost > every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to Yogananda all give > detailed histories. So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? What about Gurudev's? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On some level, isn't Maharishi, regardless of what our thoughts of him may be, irrelevant to the practice of TM?-Only if you understand why. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 8:57 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > Why not just chalk up TM as another technique that either works for > > you, or doesn't? > > Well we weren't really talking about the technique--but as I said > earlier, 'it doesn't mean that TM is bad'. It's also worth considering > the positive impact of large people taking up meditation from the TMO > *even if they change to another method*. From that perspective it's > still a catalyst for world evolution. On some level, isn't Maharishi, regardless of what our thoughts of him may be, irrelevant to the practice of TM? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 14, 2005, at 8:57 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > Why not just chalk up TM as another technique that either works for > you, or doesn't? Well we weren't really talking about the technique--but as I said earlier, 'it doesn't mean that TM is bad'. It's also worth considering the positive impact of large people taking up meditation from the TMO *even if they change to another method*. From that perspective it's still a catalyst for world evolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, uns_tressor wrote: > > > > > > > > > I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic > > > > > life rather than to householders. > > > > > Uns. > > > > > > > > It might be time for the MMY and Guru Dev OM FAQ. > > > > > > Yes indeed. I didn't really follow that thread and > > > would appreciate an edited summary of its arguments. > > > > > > If anyone does it, thanks! > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > Why not just use it once as a mantra for 10 or 20 min. and see > what > > happens? > > > But what if his willy falls off? He switches to the MO mantra... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, uns_tressor wrote: > > > > > > > I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic > > > > life rather than to householders. > > > > Uns. > > > > > > It might be time for the MMY and Guru Dev OM FAQ. > > > > Yes indeed. I didn't really follow that thread and > > would appreciate an edited summary of its arguments. > > > > If anyone does it, thanks! > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > Why not just use it once as a mantra for 10 or 20 min. and see what > happens? But what if his willy falls off? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, uns_tressor wrote: > > > > > I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic > > > life rather than to householders. > > > Uns. > > > > It might be time for the MMY and Guru Dev OM FAQ. > > Yes indeed. I didn't really follow that thread and > would appreciate an edited summary of its arguments. > > If anyone does it, thanks! > > - Patrick Gillam Why not just use it once as a mantra for 10 or 20 min. and see what happens? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, uns_tressor wrote: > > > I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic > > life rather than to householders. > > Uns. > > It might be time for the MMY and Guru Dev OM FAQ. Yes indeed. I didn't really follow that thread and would appreciate an edited summary of its arguments. If anyone does it, thanks! - Patrick Gillam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > Any other > > guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a > > teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. > > Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just don't get it but it > really important to know the where's and how's of your transmissions. > TM is one of the few that do not tell you really any details. In fact > it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood from history. Almost > every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to Yogananda all give > detailed histories. Many advances in history have occurred as a result of accident, synthesis, or pure chance. Why not just chalk up TM as another technique that either works for you, or doesn't? I've been doing it for 30+ years, because it works for me. Personally, I couldn't care less about the lineage of the teacher or the technique. If it stopped working for me tomorrow, I'd stop doing it tomorrow. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, uns_tressor wrote: > I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic > life rather than to householders. > Uns. It might be time for the MMY and Guru Dev OM FAQ. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Llundrub wrote: > > >I just flat out hate his guts. > > > > > You starting a new thread? It's buried in MDixon's rant. > > Anyhoo, I don't hate Maharishi. I'm just disappointed in him. I think > he lied to those of us who are teachers about the techniques. Any other > guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a > teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. The Shankaracharya > denies they teach anything like TM. And meditating without Om > because Om brings poverty? I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic life rather than to householders. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
> > > And if I didn't then what? Would he cease to exist?He would exist in your awareness in complete freedom, instead of tied to the old impressions.But I'm a Buddhist. I don't even know where those old impressions come from. I was raised a "nothing" and nobody ever told me what to believe. The only place I got the Hal Linden Apocalypse nonsense was when catching busses at the stop when preachers were pulpitating. But I used to be listening to Maharishi and get a sort of mental tourettes where I would catch weird hellfire determinations. Especially after the 1986 World Government of the Age of Enlightenment thing really started. I'm seriously not attached to apocalyptic visions but I have them anyway. If anyone shouldn't be having them it's me since I love hellfire. It's just so warm and cozy. It brings people together and makes friends in strange places. j/k But I guess I haven't really and truely been introduced to the real thing. So for that I'm thankful. Peace out To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with the modern TM movement is that > > > > it's trying to insist that to appreciate its > > > > company's products you have to revere the CEO > > > > as holy and its sales managers as kings. > > > > > > And the thing that cracks me up is then when it is to > > > the TMO's advantage, such as getting public funds, > > > etc., they pull out the "scientific technique card" > > > and then wonder why things don't go their way. The > > > recent history of Vedic City is a case in point. > > > > > > There is a serious disconnect in the TMO. Publically > > > claiming TM and the TM-sidhi program to be this > > > scientific technique validated by jillions of > > > scientific studies and then this whole bizarre social > > > structure with the Rajas and the cultish behaviors and > > > attitude. > > > > > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in reference to > > setting up TM): "I could have made it a religion"...well, somewhere > > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID make > > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. Anyone > > disagree? > > > > > Still a crippled religion if it is one. I think it makes a pretty darned good religion...but I prefer the non-religion, non-philosophy approach circa 1975...THAT was the way to market this incredible technique, NOT the way it's been done since around 1978... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Llundrub wrote: > > >I just flat out hate his guts. > > > > > You starting a new thread? It's buried in MDixon's rant. > > Anyhoo, I don't hate Maharishi. I'm just disappointed in him. I think > he lied to those of us who are teachers about the techniques. Any other > guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a > teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. The Shankaracharya > denies they teach anything like TM. And meditating without Om because > Om brings poverty? Some of the poorest folk I know were avid TM'ers. The Shankaracharya designated in the will taught my friend to meditate using something very much like TM. The third guy on the will was also an MMY supporter. Many followers of Gurudev were MMY supporters.Many were not. As to how many were and were not? Who can say without taking a vote. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > That was really nice of Lucifer. > > It seems to me Llundrub that you have some seed impressions left > over from MIU or 'Maharishi is the greatest' times that you are > trying to resolve. > > As others have said on FFL, Maharishi is exactly how each of us here > sees him; Great Teacher, Thief, Crazy Person, Ignorant Fool, Supreme > Being, Lucifer, His Holiness, Feeble Old Man. No contradictions > whatsoever. > > > > And if I didn't then what? Would he cease to exist? He would exist in your awareness in complete freedom, instead of tied to the old impressions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
> > That was really nice of Lucifer.It seems to me Llundrub that you have some seed impressions left over from MIU or 'Maharishi is the greatest' times that you are trying to resolve. As others have said on FFL, Maharishi is exactly how each of us here sees him; Great Teacher, Thief, Crazy Person, Ignorant Fool, Supreme Being, Lucifer, His Holiness, Feeble Old Man. No contradictions whatsoever. And if I didn't then what? Would he cease to exist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > > > The problem with the modern TM movement is that > > > it's trying to insist that to appreciate its > > > company's products you have to revere the CEO > > > as holy and its sales managers as kings. > > > > And the thing that cracks me up is then when it is to > > the TMO's advantage, such as getting public funds, > > etc., they pull out the "scientific technique card" > > and then wonder why things don't go their way. The > > recent history of Vedic City is a case in point. > > > > There is a serious disconnect in the TMO. Publically > > claiming TM and the TM-sidhi program to be this > > scientific technique validated by jillions of > > scientific studies and then this whole bizarre social > > structure with the Rajas and the cultish behaviors and > > attitude. > > > Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in reference to > setting up TM): "I could have made it a religion"...well, somewhere > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID make > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. Anyone > disagree? > > Still a crippled religion if it is one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: TurquoiseB > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:19 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I just flat out hate his guts. > > I don't. The crazier he gets in the last days of his > life, the more I miss the person who seem genuinely > happy teaching individuals to meditate in the early > days. The more grandiose and irrational his dying > schemes, the sadder I feel for the loss of the Maha- > rishi who was once happy teaching basic meditation > to basic people. The more he sets up horrible karmas > for himself in the Bardo, the sorrier for him I feel, > and the sadder I feel for the lost opportunities he > squandered by feeding his own ego. > > Maharishi isn't to be hated; he's to be pitied. > > And even now he can still be useful to the spiritual > seeker as a living lesson in how not to make the same > mistakes in our own lives. > > For the latter, we can and should still be grateful. > > > > --That's very generous of you TB, and after TM the original technique the best thing he ever did was decertify his old teachers and let them off the hook. > > That was really nice of Lucifer. It seems to me Llundrub that you have some seed impressions left over from MIU or 'Maharishi is the greatest' times that you are trying to resolve. As others have said on FFL, Maharishi is exactly how each of us here sees him; Great Teacher, Thief, Crazy Person, Ignorant Fool, Supreme Being, Lucifer, His Holiness, Feeble Old Man. No contradictions whatsoever. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
There is a serious disconnect in the TMO. Publicallyclaiming TM and the TM-sidhi program to be thisscientific technique validated by jillions ofscientific studies and then this whole bizarre socialstructure with the Rajas and the cultish behaviors andattitude.-The serious disconnect is that lies cannot stand up to the light. And a structure founded upon them will fall when the light is shown upon it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
The problem with the modern TM movement is thatit's trying to insist that to appreciate itscompany's products you have to revere the CEO as holy and its sales managers as kings.-The problem with the modern TMO is that it decided to make heaven on earth in its own image, surplanting the Divine will. The problem with the TMO is that they appeal to the most hateful logic as the backbone of their schemes such as appealing to sociopathic dictators to fund their programs based upon such hateful concepts as the self destruction of democracy and capitalism. It's not that capitalism is good, just that the idea of banking on its collapse is especially hateful and not any sort of loving or charitable or kind logic. Satan I believe translated into -the Accuser.- My belief is that the structure of the TMO as a world peace government is a pack of lies built upon a pack of lies. Betraying everything it originally said it stood for. I think all those who place their stakes in it will find themselves at the end in a very adverse position. Probably in the mirror image of what they thought they were. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
TM is what counts. It should be offered to those in needof its benefits at a sensible price.Right now, I am looking at a Samsung computer screen,and it is very good. I would recommend it to anyone. However, I have absolutely no view about Samsung's head honcho.Uns.-There was alot of talk about pricing the Divine Mother and Her sacred syllables, but how can you put a price on Her without making her a whore of your own will? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
- Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > I just flat out hate his guts.I don't. The crazier he gets in the last days of hislife, the more I miss the person who seem genuinelyhappy teaching individuals to meditate in the early days. The more grandiose and irrational his dyingschemes, the sadder I feel for the loss of the Maha-rishi who was once happy teaching basic meditationto basic people. The more he sets up horrible karmasfor himself in the Bardo, the sorrier for him I feel,and the sadder I feel for the lost opportunities hesquandered by feeding his own ego.Maharishi isn't to be hated; he's to be pitied.And even now he can still be useful to the spiritualseeker as a living lesson in how not to make the same mistakes in our own lives. For the latter, we can and should still be grateful.--That's very generous of you TB, and after TM the original technique the best thing he ever did was decertify his old teachers and let them off the hook. That was really nice of Lucifer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just flat out hate his guts. > > > As Steve Martin once said: > > > "yeah, I remember when I had my first beer" *lol* I love that line :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > snip > > > > > The problem with the modern TM movement is that > > it's trying to insist that to appreciate its > > company's products you have to revere the CEO > > as holy and its sales managers as kings. > > And the thing that cracks me up is then when it is to > the TMO's advantage, such as getting public funds, > etc., they pull out the "scientific technique card" > and then wonder why things don't go their way. The > recent history of Vedic City is a case in point. > > There is a serious disconnect in the TMO. Publically > claiming TM and the TM-sidhi program to be this > scientific technique validated by jillions of > scientific studies and then this whole bizarre social > structure with the Rajas and the cultish behaviors and > attitude. Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in reference to setting up TM): "I could have made it a religion"...well, somewhere along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID make it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. Anyone disagree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > > Yahoo! your home page > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > > > --- -~-> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just flat out hate his guts. As Steve Martin once said: "yeah, I remember when I had my first beer" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > The problem with the modern TM movement is that > it's trying to insist that to appreciate its > company's products you have to revere the CEO > as holy and its sales managers as kings. And the thing that cracks me up is then when it is to the TMO's advantage, such as getting public funds, etc., they pull out the "scientific technique card" and then wonder why things don't go their way. The recent history of Vedic City is a case in point. There is a serious disconnect in the TMO. Publically claiming TM and the TM-sidhi program to be this scientific technique validated by jillions of scientific studies and then this whole bizarre social structure with the Rajas and the cultish behaviors and attitude. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
