[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning....
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Speaking of astrology being a science, there's no better ironclad, scientific proof of that than our wedding. We had wanted to get married in Paderborn Germany, which is Petra's and my great grandmother's hometown, but getting married in Germany would have required various official documents officially translated into German and other red tape that would have taken months. There's no way we could pull off a wedding in Germany on the April Jyotish date given to us by Chakrapani. Most of my family was going to be traveling in England on that date, and a quick call to the British consulate revealed that the only requirement for getting married was to be in the country for ten days. So, off we went to London, where it was cold, rainy, and damp. But, on the day before the wedding, the sun came out, and it was warm and sunny for the wedding and the day after the wedding. After that, it went back to being cold, rainy, and damp. Jyotish for the win! (And, what's probably record-breaking for TMer marriages, that was 28 years ago.) Cool. Glad it worked itself out. I can confirm the phenomena you experienced was indeed summer. Not quite enough for a sun tan but you can start to dry the mould out of the carpets and mow the lawn. We make the best of it The weathergirl promised us warm weather today so I went for a bike ride round the woods at 7am and got (I think) hypothermia. I shall consult a jyotishee next time I fancy some exercise ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=317885144963984set=a.217647258321107.54998.12275031491type=1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning....
Speaking of astrology being a science, there's no better ironclad, scientific proof of that than our wedding. We had wanted to get married in Paderborn Germany, which is Petra's and my great grandmother's hometown, but getting married in Germany would have required various official documents officially translated into German and other red tape that would have taken months. There's no way we could pull off a wedding in Germany on the April Jyotish date given to us by Chakrapani. Most of my family was going to be traveling in England on that date, and a quick call to the British consulate revealed that the only requirement for getting married was to be in the country for ten days. So, off we went to London, where it was cold, rainy, and damp. But, on the day before the wedding, the sun came out, and it was warm and sunny for the wedding and the day after the wedding. After that, it went back to being cold, rainy, and damp. Jyotish for the win! (And, what's probably record-breaking for TMer marriages, that was 28 years ago.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=317885144963984set=a.217647258321107.54998.12275031491type=1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning FFL folks (Drink More Water)
Drinking too much water can kill you. It strains the kidneys, decreases the salinity in blood, which makes it difficult for the kidneys to excrete the water out. It leads to life threatening condition. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-drin\ king-too-much-water-can-kill https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-drin\ king-too-much-water-can-kill https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-bu t-true-drinking-too-much-water-can-kill https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-drin\ king-too-much-water-can-kill --- Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I agree John, I tend to drink less water on really humid days. From the article: According to H.H. Mitchell, Journal of Biological Chemistry 158, the brain and heart are composed of 73% water, and the lungs are about 83% water. The skin contains 64% water, muscles and kidneys are 79%, and even the bones are watery: 31%. From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@... Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:46 PM  Share, That's a lot of water to drink in one day, especially when it's foggy in the Sunset District of SF.  Bhairitu's  idea sounds more reasonable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: That's a lot of water! However, I remember when driving for UPS and drinking a gallon and a half of water a day, during the summer, I did sleep a lot better. Nice *watery* dreams,(no... not wet) as if I were swimming and floating in my sleep. From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Drink More Water  As always: drink when thirsty, eat when hungry. On 09/12/2013 10:20 AM, Share Long wrote:  John, rule of thumb is divide your weight by 2 and that's how many ounces of water you ideally drink per day. I was very motivated to do this when the temps were in the 90s. But now that temps are dropping, I'll have to be more conscious of it. Sodas are killers! I'm so glad you stopped drinking them. From: mailto:jr_esq@ mailto:jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Drink More Water  Michelle Obama says so for better health.  I believe she's right.  A few weeks ago I got carried away drinking cokes without watching my weight.  I then realized that I ballooned by about ten pounds in a matter of weeks. I've been drinking more plain water and cut down my meals for about two weeks now, and have returned to my regular weight.  The one day fast I did last Saturday helped too. http://news.yahoo.com/first-lady-wants-people-drink-more-plain-water-10\ 0616713--politics.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning FFL folks (Drink More Water)
Thanks, Jason, good to know. From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning FFL folks (Drink More Water) Drinking too much water can kill you. It strains the kidneys, decreases the salinity in blood, which makes it difficult for the kidneys to excrete the water out. It leads to life threatening condition. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-bu t-true-drinking-too-much-water-can-kill --- Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I agree John, I tend to drink less water on really humid days. From the article: According to H.H. Mitchell, Journal of Biological Chemistry 158, the brain and heart are composed of 73% water, and the lungs are about 83% water. The skin contains 64% water, muscles and kidneys are 79%, and even the bones are watery: 31%. From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@... Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:46 PM  Share, That's a lot of water to drink in one day, especially when it's foggy in the Sunset District of SF.  Bhairitu's  idea sounds more reasonable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: That's a lot of water! However, I remember when driving for UPS and drinking a gallon and a half of water a day, during the summer, I did sleep a lot better. Nice *watery* dreams,(no... not wet) as if I were swimming and floating in my sleep. From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Drink More Water  As always: drink when thirsty, eat when hungry. On 09/12/2013 10:20 AM, Share Long wrote:  John, rule of thumb is divide your weight by 2 and that's how many ounces of water you ideally drink per day. I was very motivated to do this when the temps were in the 90s. But now that temps are dropping, I'll have to be more conscious of it. Sodas are killers! I'm so glad you stopped drinking them. From: mailto:jr_esq@ mailto:jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Drink More Water  Michelle Obama says so for better health.  I believe she's right.  A few weeks ago I got carried away drinking cokes without watching my weight.  I then realized that I ballooned by about ten pounds in a matter of weeks. I've been drinking more plain water and cut down my meals for about two weeks now, and have returned to my regular weight.  The one day fast I did last Saturday helped too. http://news.yahoo.com/first-lady-wants-people-drink-more-plain-water-100616713--politics.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning FFL folks (Drink More Water)
Drinking too much water can kill you. It strains the kidneys, decreases the salinity in blood, which makes it difficult for the kidneys to excrete the water out. It leads to life threatening condition. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-bu t-true-drinking-too-much-water-can-kill https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-drin\ king-too-much-water-can-kill --- Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I agree John, I tend to drink less water on really humid days. From the article: According to H.H. Mitchell, Journal of Biological Chemistry 158, the brain and heart are composed of 73% water, and the lungs are about 83% water. The skin contains 64% water, muscles and kidneys are 79%, and even the bones are watery: 31%. From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@... Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:46 PM  Share, That's a lot of water to drink in one day, especially when it's foggy in the Sunset District of SF.  Bhairitu's  idea sounds more reasonable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: That's a lot of water! However, I remember when driving for UPS and drinking a gallon and a half of water a day, during the summer, I did sleep a lot better. Nice *watery* dreams,(no... not wet) as if I were swimming and floating in my sleep. From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Drink More Water  As always: drink when thirsty, eat when hungry. On 09/12/2013 10:20 AM, Share Long wrote:  John, rule of thumb is divide your weight by 2 and that's how many ounces of water you ideally drink per day. I was very motivated to do this when the temps were in the 90s. But now that temps are dropping, I'll have to be more conscious of it. Sodas are killers! I'm so glad you stopped drinking them. From: mailto:jr_esq@ mailto:jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Drink More Water  Michelle Obama says so for better health.  I believe she's right.  A few weeks ago I got carried away drinking cokes without watching my weight.  I then realized that I ballooned by about ten pounds in a matter of weeks. I've been drinking more plain water and cut down my meals for about two weeks now, and have returned to my regular weight.  The one day fast I did last Saturday helped too. http://news.yahoo.com/first-lady-wants-people-drink-more-plain-water-10\ 0616713--politics.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning: Turq and others may be faking their travel photos!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: All of those Parisian cafes might just be in Tianducheng, China, and not Paris: I always thought Paris was just too good to be true... http://www.messynessychic.com/2012/11/20/made-in-china-european-clone-towns/ Any photos purportedly depicting London should be similarly regarded with suspicion, as they may be Chinese knock-offs, not the originals. :-) I can't remember the title but I read sci-fi book where an alien civilisation creates a replica English village so they can kidnap important people and learn how they behave prior to cloning them for an invasion. Is it time, finally, to be really scared of China?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning: Turq and others may be faking their travel photos!
Barry, This trend in China is confirming its jyotish natal chart, which has Venus in the 10th house. This means that it may accomplish more in the field of arts and creativity rather a military one. Who knows what a real estate developer will do over there? We might even see an imitation of San Francisco, CA over there in the near future. In the field of classical music, we're seeing many artists who were born in mainland China and are popular for their talent, such as Yundi Li and Lang Lang. However, Yo Yo Ma is excluded from this group since he is an American. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: All of those Parisian cafes might just be in Tianducheng, China, and not Paris: http://www.messynessychic.com/2012/11/20/made-in-china-european-clone-towns/ Any photos purportedly depicting London should be similarly regarded with suspicion, as they may be Chinese knock-offs, not the originals. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning: Turq and others may be faking their travel photos!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Barry, This trend in China is confirming its jyotish natal chart, which has Venus in the 10th house. This means that it may accomplish more in the field of arts and creativity rather a military one. Congratulations. You pushed my incredulity button sufficiently that I have to ask, How does one determine a 'birth date' for China? We shall wait with 'bated breath and stifled laughter...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning: Turq and others may be faking their travel photos!
Barry, The People's Republic of China was born on October 1, 1949 at 15:00 hrs, at Tiananmen Square, Beijing, China. I have the feeling they consulted an astrologer to start the proceedings since the time was rather late as compared to the independence inaugurations of other countries. At this selected time, Venus was powerfully placed in the 10th house of career and karma. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Barry, This trend in China is confirming its jyotish natal chart, which has Venus in the 10th house. This means that it may accomplish more in the field of arts and creativity rather a military one. Congratulations. You pushed my incredulity button sufficiently that I have to ask, How does one determine a 'birth date' for China? We shall wait with 'bated breath and stifled laughter...
[FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive
FWIW, tropical Sun and Mars are both safely in Taurus... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) to JyotishGroup, JyotishWritings, vedic-astrology, sohamsa Copied from my Facebook post: I mentioned before that an unstable phase that started at the end of March extends till the end of May and that natural disasters and also man-made disasters with long-term consequences are possible. Sun (will power) and Mars (aggressive spirit) are now marching together in the warrior sign of Aries. A few days after the eclipse of April 25/26, they will be exactly opposite Saturn (patience). It can create very tricky and dangerous political/military situations in the world. When Sun Mars will get close to Ketu (eccentricity) around the second eclipse of May 9/10, explosive situations may develop. At the end of your homam/pooja/meditation, please pray for a few minutes for better sense to prevail in people and for peace and calm in the world. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih. Best regards, Narasimha
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive
Israel attacks Iran. From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive FWIW, tropical Sun and Mars are both safely in Taurus... --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) to JyotishGroup, JyotishWritings, vedic-astrology, sohamsa Copied from my Facebook post: I mentioned before that an unstable phase that started at the end of March extends till the end of May and that natural disasters and also man-made disasters with long-term consequences are possible. Sun (will power) and Mars (aggressive spirit) are now marching together in the warrior sign of Aries. A few days after the eclipse of April 25/26, they will be exactly opposite Saturn (patience). It can create very tricky and dangerous political/military situations in the world. When Sun Mars will get close to Ketu (eccentricity) around the second eclipse of May 9/10, explosive situations may develop. At the end of your homam/pooja/meditation, please pray for a few minutes for better sense to prevail in people and for peace and calm in the world. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih. Best regards, Narasimha
[FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Israel attacks Iran. Those pesky planets. But let's face it, this will hardly be news. In fact it's one of the few things I'd bet on. I shudder to think what the knock-on effects will be, every time we meddle in the affairs of other countries it just stores up more trouble for the future. Never mind, the gods must have willed it... From: card cardemaister@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive  FWIW, tropical Sun and Mars are both safely in Taurus... --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) to JyotishGroup, JyotishWritings, vedic-astrology, sohamsa Copied from my Facebook post: I mentioned before that an unstable phase that started at the end of March extends till the end of May and that natural disasters and also man-made disasters with long-term consequences are possible. Sun (will power) and Mars (aggressive spirit) are now marching together in the warrior sign of Aries. A few days after the eclipse of April 25/26, they will be exactly opposite Saturn (patience). It can create very tricky and dangerous political/military situations in the world. When Sun Mars will get close to Ketu (eccentricity) around the second eclipse of May 9/10, explosive situations may develop. At the end of your homam/pooja/meditation, please pray for a few minutes for better sense to prevail in people and for peace and calm in the world. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih. Best regards, Narasimha
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive
I said that because I caught a piece on the news, this morning, in which Chuck Hagle, Secretary of Defense , was making a statement, somewhere, that Israel is an independent nation that has every right to defend it's self. We share their concerns over the same issue of Iran's development of Nukes, but our timing is a little different. I thought this was a *green-light* form the Secretary of Defense for Israel to do what they think they have to do. Netanyahu also indicated, earlier this year, that May or early summer, would be the time a threshold would be crossed. Time will tell. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Israel attacks Iran. Those pesky planets. But let's face it, this will hardly be news. In fact it's one of the few things I'd bet on. I shudder to think what the knock-on effects will be, every time we meddle in the affairs of other countries it just stores up more trouble for the future. Never mind, the gods must have willed it... From: card cardemaister@... To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive  FWIW, tropical Sun and Mars are both safely in Taurus... --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) to JyotishGroup, JyotishWritings, vedic-astrology, sohamsa Copied from my Facebook post: I mentioned before that an unstable phase that started at the end of March extends till the end of May and that natural disasters and also man-made disasters with long-term consequences are possible. Sun (will power) and Mars (aggressive spirit) are now marching together in the warrior sign of Aries. A few days after the eclipse of April 25/26, they will be exactly opposite Saturn (patience). It can create very tricky and dangerous political/military situations in the world. When Sun Mars will get close to Ketu (eccentricity) around the second eclipse of May 9/10, explosive situations may develop. At the end of your homam/pooja/meditation, please pray for a few minutes for better sense to prevail in people and for peace and calm in the world. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih. Best regards, Narasimha
[FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive
I read Hagle differently. If he were giving them the green light, he wouldn't equivocate. Can't piss off the Israelis directly, but you can withhold approval behind the scenes. Obama is not nearly as cozy with them as past administrations have been. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: I said that because I caught a piece on the news, this morning, in which Chuck Hagle, Secretary of Defense , was making a statement, somewhere, that Israel is an independent nation that has every right to defend it's self. We share their concerns over the same issue of Iran's development of Nukes, but our timing is a little different. I thought this was a *green-light* form the Secretary of Defense for Israel to do what they think they have to do. Netanyahu also indicated, earlier this year, that May or early summer, would be the time a threshold would be crossed. Time will tell. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Israel attacks Iran. Those pesky planets. But let's face it, this will hardly be news. In fact it's one of the few things I'd bet on. I shudder to think what the knock-on effects will be, every time we meddle in the affairs of other countries it just stores up more trouble for the future. Never mind, the gods must have willed it... From: card cardemaister@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive àFWIW, tropical Sun and Mars are both safely in Taurus... --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) to JyotishGroup, JyotishWritings, vedic-astrology, sohamsa Copied from my Facebook post: I mentioned before that an unstable phase that started at the end of March extends till the end of May and that natural disasters and also man-made disasters with long-term consequences are possible. Sun (will power) and Mars (aggressive spirit) are now marching together in the warrior sign of Aries. A few days after the eclipse of April 25/26, they will be exactly opposite Saturn (patience). It can create very tricky and dangerous political/military situations in the world. When Sun Mars will get close to Ketu (eccentricity) around the second eclipse of May 9/10, explosive situations may develop. At the end of your homam/pooja/meditation, please pray for a few minutes for better sense to prevail in people and for peace and calm in the world. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih. Best regards, Narasimha
[FairfieldLife] Re: WARNING THE WEBSITE ON HAGELIN CRASHED COMPUTER
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote: THIS SITE WHEN I CLICKED ON IT CAME UP WITH A WARNING FROM MY ANTIVIRIS AND THEN FROZE MY COMPUTER MSG NUMBER 269411 The site worked perfectly on my machine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WARNING THE WEBSITE ON HAGELIN CRASHED COMPUTER
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: THIS SITE WHEN I CLICKED ON IT CAME UP WITH A WARNING FROM MY ANTIVIRIS AND THEN FROZE MY COMPUTER MSG NUMBER 269411 Same thing happened to me. Had to re-boot. I've noticed the TM.org sites tend to be ladden with extra stuff. Seem to have their own way of trying to track and collect information. Mostly it slows down the computer or makes it so their sites don't work. This time it stove it up. It would be nicer if they would just use the regular protocols that work for everyone else.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar
On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:22 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Several times angelic-like females have descended and made love to me in my sleep. Not joking. Its as real as it gets. The movie will not capture that. The feeling stays with you for days, weeks, and even for a lifetime you can recall it and it comes back. Very humbling feeling mixed with sweet love. Yes, but does she let you see the children? Children are for mortal humans like yourself for example. The rest of the universe does not indulge in that practice. You thought I meant physical children? LOL!
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On Dec 19, 2009, at 10:57 PM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:00 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Oh ok, my bad. (sounds awful though -- like watching JaJa Binks in 3d :-) It was actually quite good. However if you are a conservative or a Republican, the jabs in it--several directly aimed at Bush Admin policies and some taken from Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and Neocon way of thinking--will make you say things like Mike said. Well that shouldn't be a problem for me, seeing as how I was the first on FFL to support Obama. It was a very tantric movie in that it dealt well with inter-dimensional congress Several times angelic-like females have descended and made love to me in my sleep. Not joking. Its as real as it gets. The movie will not capture that. The feeling stays with you for days, weeks, and even for a lifetime you can recall it and it comes back. Very humbling feeling mixed with sweet love. Yes, but does she let you see the children? Buddhist and Shaivite yogis have actually perfected such interdimensional congress for the expansion of consciousness, but I think it's fair to say, not all such unions are necessarily evolutionary. But union with a yakshini is many times more intense than with a human. V Of the Sabbath of the Adepts In the black hours of earth, when the Christian superstition with fell blight withered most malignantly the peoples of Europe, when our own Holy Order was dispersed and the sanctity of its preceptories lay violate, there were yet found certain to hold Truth in their hearts, and, loving Light, to bear the Lamp of Virtue beneath the Cloak of Secrecy. And these at certain seasons went at night by ways open or hidden to heaths and mountains, and there dancing together, and with strange suppers and spells diverse, did call forth Him, whom the enemy called ignorantly Satan, and was in truth the Great God Pan, or Bacchus, or even that Baphomet whom the Templars worshipped secretly, and yet worship as in the VI° all Illustrious Knights of the Holy Order of Kadosch, all Dame Companions of the Holy Grail are taught to do, or BABALON the Beautiful, or even Zeus Apollo of the Greeks. And each when first inducted to the revel was made partner of that Incarnate One by the Consummation of the Rite of Marriage. Consider of this. VI Of Classical Fables The Ancients of every nation report their heroes to have been born of the marriage of Gods with mortals. As, Romulus and Remus begotten of the God Mars upon a vestal Virgin, Hercules of Jove, Buddha of Vishnu in the form of a white elephant with six tusks, Jesus of Jehovah upon a virgin, and many another. Even true Gods were born of mortal mothers, as Dionysius of Semele. Also they recount many loves of heaven for earth, Diana for Endymion, Zeus for Leda, Danae, Europa, and the rest; even Hades issued from his gloomy kingdom to ravish the maid Persephone. There are also loves of Gods for nymphs, Bacchus for the Ariadne, Zeus for Io, Pan for Syrinx; there is no end of these. And satyrs, fawns, centaurs, dryads, a thousand gracious tribes, leap lightly and lustfully through their legends. Again we have the loves of fairies for mankind, and the commerce of the Beni Elohim with the daughters of men; and yet again the marriage of Orpheus with Eurydice a nymph, and the fatal nets that Laura, Melusina, the Sirens, Lilith and many another cast for men. It is even said that to every Neophyte of the Order of A\A\ appeareth a demon in the form of a woman to pervert him; within Our own knowledge have not less than nine brethren been utterly cast out thereby. There are also vain loves, as that of Ixion for Hera, of Actaeon for Artemis. Consider of this. VII Of Certain Greek Rites Among the peoples of the Balkan Peninsula and especially the Greeks, beneath the bush of their false Christianity, is hidden the wheat of Demeter. And even as the Muslim trust to be united by death to the Hur al’ Ayn of Paradise, so do these others yet think that earthly marriage is but fornication, for that Death is a nuptial wherein the soul is united to that God or Goddess to whom on earth his lust aspired. Thus, even in the embraces of their lovers, their hearts were fixed on Artemis or on Aphrodite or on Ares or on Apollo, as the inner tendency urges and the intuition thereof proclaims. Consider of this. VIII Of Succubi and Incubi From all time the life of man has now and again overflowed, in sleep, without will, and only reflected itself dimly and fantastically by dream into his knowledge. Now since naught can be lost on any plane, but only changed in appearance, the inner substance of this life-stuff does indeed beget monsters in part material, which the doctors of the Middle Ages called Incubi or Succubi according as they performed the functions of male or female. These, too, begat children upon women; but not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar
I saw it Friday night. I thought there would be a huge throng, so I picked a low traffic theatre, and it didn't have 3D, so I was disappointed there. But I enjoyed it. I felt he really got the mystical, back to nature, indigenous people tuned into nature part right. When I go to a movie, as long as I don't feel I wasted my money, or more importantly, time, then I feel pretty good. My kid wants to see 2012, and I heard that it is sort of stupid, but the SE make it entertaining. Yea, entertaining, (and a little escape). I Can always use some of that. Also plan to see The Road, today if possible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: I saw it last night at the 12:01 AM showing. It's a wonderful movie but very predictable. Kind of a *Star Wars/ Dances With Wolves* kind of movie. 3D is excellent and worth seeing.
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will make you say things like Mike said? What, predictable or Comparing it to *Star Wars* and *Dances With Wolves* or that I liked it? From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 7:25:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:00 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Oh ok, my bad. (sounds awful though -- like watching JaJa Binks in 3d :-) It was actually quite good. However if you are a conservative or a Republican, the jabs in it--several directly aimed at Bush Admin policies and some taken from Bush-Cheney- Rumsfeld and Neocon way of thinking--will make you say things like Mike said. It was a very tantric movie in that it dealt well with inter-dimensional congress and the idea of interdependent origination as a web naturally connecting all sentience.
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On Dec 20, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: will make you say things like Mike said? What, predictable or Comparing it to *Star Wars* and *Dances With Wolves* or that I liked it? Predictable.
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Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals! From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 9:04:29 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar On Dec 20, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: will make you say things like Mike said? What, predictable or Comparing it to *Star Wars* and *Dances With Wolves* or that I liked it? Predictable .
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On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals! I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was responding more to predictable as a negative comment in terms of it being a pro-Green planetary culture vs. a more Conservative-Republican corporate war machine: Hollywood libs diss Republicans. What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi embrace tree-hugger crap and that what was necessary was a shock and awe campaign of pre-emptive action, as he fights terrorists with terror?
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Vaj wrote: On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals! I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was responding more to predictable as a negative comment in terms of it being a pro-Green planetary culture vs. a more Conservative-Republican corporate war machine: Hollywood libs diss Republicans. What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi embrace tree-hugger crap and that what was necessary was a shock and awe campaign of pre-emptive action, as he fights terrorists with terror? The usual business associate that likes to go see movies with me isn't big on this one either. Cameron is often long on hype and short on story. So far no one has said it will win a golden globe. I saw 2012 but Emmerich is humble compared to Cameron. I'll have to check to see if the schools are out all this week. If not I may go check it out otherwise I'll skip it until school is back in session if I still chose to go. BTW, 3D digital performances are as good the last day it is shown as the first because there is no film to scratch. That is unless some dumbshit kid hasn't thrown his drink at the screen and the theater hasn't cleaned it properly (or replaced it in some cases).
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On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals! I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was responding more to predictable as a negative comment in terms of it being a pro-Green planetary culture vs. a more Conservative-Republican corporate war machine: Hollywood libs diss Republicans. What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi embrace tree-hugger crap and that what was necessary was a shock and awe campaign of pre-emptive action, as he fights terrorists with terror? The usual business associate that likes to go see movies with me isn't big on this one either. Cameron is often long on hype and short on story. The story here is largely non-verbal, as much of the story is about an advanced spiritual technology, interfacing with a Brahman-like unified field, which is portrayed visually and which only needs to be briefly described verbally. An interesting aside, at the beginning of the previews where you're told to put on your 3D glasses, the theatre I saw it at opened with a 3D advert. by the US Air Force. It was very clearly targeted at kids and teens. The tagline is It's not science fiction: it's what we do every day; it's the United States Air Force. The hidden tagline is 'if you like video games and Sci-fi, you'll just love killing people with us, you've never have to see the blood. Sign up now!' I'm finding all movies for the last several years have cheesy military advertisements in with the previews. This was the first 3D one.
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On Dec 20, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Vaj wrote: An interesting aside, at the beginning of the previews where you're told to put on your 3D glasses, the theatre I saw it at opened with a 3D advert. by the US Air Force. It was very clearly targeted at kids and teens. The tagline is It's not science fiction: it's what we do every day; it's the United States Air Force. The hidden tagline is 'if you like video games and Sci-fi, you'll just love killing people with us, you've never have to see the blood. Sign up now!' I'm finding all movies for the last several years have cheesy military advertisements in with the previews. This was the first 3D one. http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123165646 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiB3vrhPDNs
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 19, 2009, at 10:57 PM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:00 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Oh ok, my bad. (sounds awful though -- like watching JaJa Binks in 3d :-) It was actually quite good. However if you are a conservative or a Republican, the jabs in it--several directly aimed at Bush Admin policies and some taken from Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and Neocon way of thinking--will make you say things like Mike said. Well that shouldn't be a problem for me, seeing as how I was the first on FFL to support Obama. It was a very tantric movie in that it dealt well with inter-dimensional congress Several times angelic-like females have descended and made love to me in my sleep. Not joking. Its as real as it gets. The movie will not capture that. The feeling stays with you for days, weeks, and even for a lifetime you can recall it and it comes back. Very humbling feeling mixed with sweet love. Yes, but does she let you see the children? Children are for mortal humans like yourself for example. The rest of the universe does not indulge in that practice. OffWorld
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I guess it was more predictable than I imagined, but writing a story line with a statement like Col.Quaritch's comment is typical for Hollywood where everyone trips over themselves trying to prove they are more *sensitive and compassionate* than anybody else. I guess it's a guilt trip for playing *pretend* for a living. From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 9:44:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals! I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was responding more to predictable as a negative comment in terms of it being a pro-Green planetary culture vs. a more Conservative- Republican corporate war machine: Hollywood libs diss Republicans. What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi embrace tree-hugger crap and that what was necessary was a shock and awe campaign of pre-emptive action, as he fights terrorists with terror?
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Vaj wrote: An interesting aside, at the beginning of the previews where you're told to put on your 3D glasses, the theatre I saw it at opened with a 3D advert. by the US Air Force. It was very clearly targeted at kids and teens. The tagline is It's not science fiction: it's what we do every day; it's the United States Air Force. The hidden tagline is 'if you like video games and Sci-fi, you'll just love killing people with us, you've never have to see the blood. Sign up now!' I'm finding all movies for the last several years have cheesy military advertisements in with the previews. This was the first 3D one. Depends on the theater. The one nearby doesn't show ads just movie trailers. The CineMark chain OTOH has way too many ads IMO including military ads.
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Don't get me wrong, I liked the film and would recommend it to anybody. I just found it *predictable* as if Cameron's favorite movies were Star Wars and Dances With Wolves. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 9:55:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar Vaj wrote: On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals! I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was responding more to predictable as a negative comment in terms of it being a pro-Green planetary culture vs. a more Conservative- Republican corporate war machine: Hollywood libs diss Republicans. What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi embrace tree-hugger crap and that what was necessary was a shock and awe campaign of pre-emptive action, as he fights terrorists with terror? The usual business associate that likes to go see movies with me isn't big on this one either. Cameron is often long on hype and short on story. So far no one has said it will win a golden globe. I saw 2012 but Emmerich is humble compared to Cameron. I'll have to check to see if the schools are out all this week. If not I may go check it out otherwise I'll skip it until school is back in session if I still chose to go. BTW, 3D digital performances are as good the last day it is shown as the first because there is no film to scratch. That is unless some dumbshit kid hasn't thrown his drink at the screen and the theater hasn't cleaned it properly (or replaced it in some cases).
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rightbasically a high-tech version of: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1638307584/tt0099348 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Don't get me wrong, I liked the film and would recommend it to anybody. I just found it *predictable* as if Cameron's favorite movies were Star Wars and Dances With Wolves. From: Bhairitu noozg...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 9:55:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar  Vaj wrote: On Dec 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Vaj, you didn't find Avatar predictable? It's the story of the American Indian all over again, greedy whites, stealing land from the much more intuned, peace loving, indiginous people. They did everything but give the Na'vi smallpox infested blankets. No blood for expensive minerals! I already knew the plot before I saw it so it's hard to say! I was responding more to predictable as a negative comment in terms of it being a pro-Green planetary culture vs. a more Conservative- Republican corporate war machine: Hollywood libs diss Republicans. What was your gut reaction to Colonel Quaritch's statements that the N'avi embrace tree-hugger crap and that what was necessary was a shock and awe campaign of pre-emptive action, as he fights terrorists with terror? The usual business associate that likes to go see movies with me isn't big on this one either. Cameron is often long on hype and short on story. So far no one has said it will win a golden globe. I saw 2012 but Emmerich is humble compared to Cameron. I'll have to check to see if the schools are out all this week. If not I may go check it out otherwise I'll skip it until school is back in session if I still chose to go. BTW, 3D digital performances are as good the last day it is shown as the first because there is no film to scratch. That is unless some dumbshit kid hasn't thrown his drink at the screen and the theater hasn't cleaned it properly (or replaced it in some cases).
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I had to wear special glasses to watch the movie in *3D*. From: off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 8:18:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ ... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: I saw it last night at the 12:01 AM showing. It's a wonderful movie but very predictable. Kind of a *Star Wars/ Dances With Wolves* kind of movie. 3D is excellent and worth seeing. Mike: How does it compare to IMAX 3-D? Is it even better than that? I've seen 3 or 4 IMAX's in 3-D the past couple of years and I must say I was very impressed. Prior to that, I was only familiar with the 3-D technology from the '60s and I wasn't very impressed (I was more impressed with John Waters' Smellovision or Odorama, whatever it was he called it!). So if this is, as touted, a 3-D technology that is a quantum leap over even the IMAX 3-D, it must be incredible. By the way, I have already resigned myself to the expectation that the movie itself will not be so great. I wasn't a fan of Titanic at all, although impressed with what Cameron achieved with it (a great Cinderella story). So I'll go see Avatar just for the historical aspect of it. It is not 3d. That is a misnomer. They call it 3d because the graphic artist can spin an object around and add color, textures, shading like a sculptor, and then animate it (make it move around.) The effects are applied to a wireframe such as you see me spinning a simple version of the concept here, -- http://screencast. com/t/ZWE2ZmIzO -- but this is all that 3d means here. You do not get the impression that there are 3 dimensions such as in a IMAX movie where you wear special glasses that allow the eyes to see 2 very slightly different views of the same image just like in real life, which is what gives us our sense of 3d in real life. These movies are no less 3d than a painting by Carravagio 400 years ago, and if traditional animation artists were given as much time and money as these movies are given to create a 3d animation using only paint to create the shading and textures, the results would far exceed these highly expensive animations that are given the misnoer 3d. These movies take 3-4 years and 4 times as much as a traditional Disney animation such as Beauty and the Beast to make (which take about a year to make.) All I can say is the results are not worth it visually. If a director such as Cameron spent as much money and as much time on a traditional animation he would go down in history as one of the greatest visionary in animated cinema of the era, since tradtional artists given that amount of time and money would create something no-one has seen before, and would far surpass the visuals of these so-called 3d movies. There is no 3d in these movies. It is a flat screen and there is no 3d. no more 3d than any movie. It is all 2d. The only 3d is when you wear those special glasses, or there is a hologram. A hologram is somewhat 3d. An animated hologram would be the unltimate 3d animation. Everything else is pure 2d dimensional OffWorld
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Yes. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 9:39:55 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar From:FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLi f...@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar It is not 3d. That is a misnomer. They call it 3d because the graphic artist can spin an object around and add color, textures, shading like a sculptor, and then animate it (make it move around.) The effects are applied to a wireframe such as you see me spinning a simple version of the concept here, -- http://screencast. com/t/ZWE2ZmIzO -- but this is all that 3d means here. You do not get the impression that there are 3 dimensions such as in a IMAX movie where you wear special glasses that allow the eyes to see 2 very slightly different views of the same image just like in real life, which is what gives us our sense of 3d in real life. These movies are no less 3d than a painting by Carravagio 400 years ago, and if traditional animation artists were given as much time and money as these movies are given to create a 3d animation using only paint to create the shading and textures, the results would far exceed these highly expensive animations that are given the misnoer 3d. These movies take 3-4 years and 4 times as much as a traditional Disney animation such as Beauty and the Beast to make (which take about a year to make.) All I can say is the results are not worth it visually. If a director such as Cameron spent as much money and as much time on a traditional animation he would go down in history as one of the greatest visionary in animated cinema of the era, since tradtional artists given that amount of time and money would create something no-one has seen before, and would far surpass the visuals of these so-called 3d movies. There is no 3d in these movies. It is a flat screen and there is no 3d. no more 3d than any movie. It is all 2d. The only 3d is when you wear those special glasses, or there is a hologram. A hologram is somewhat 3d. An animated hologram would be the unltimate 3d animation. Everything else is pure 2d dimensional OffWorld So when you go to see this particular movie, do you wear special glasses?
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By the way, I think there are three different versions, One in 3D, another not in 3D and then the IMAX, which I'm not sure if it's a 3D version. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 8:40:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar Yes. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit. com To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 9:39:55 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar From:FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLi f...@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar It is not 3d. That is a misnomer. They call it 3d because the graphic artist can spin an object around and add color, textures, shading like a sculptor, and then animate it (make it move around.) The effects are applied to a wireframe such as you see me spinning a simple version of the concept here, -- http://screencast. com/t/ZWE2ZmIzO -- but this is all that 3d means here. You do not get the impression that there are 3 dimensions such as in a IMAX movie where you wear special glasses that allow the eyes to see 2 very slightly different views of the same image just like in real life, which is what gives us our sense of 3d in real life. These movies are no less 3d than a painting by Carravagio 400 years ago, and if traditional animation artists were given as much time and money as these movies are given to create a 3d animation using only paint to create the shading and textures, the results would far exceed these highly expensive animations that are given the misnoer 3d. These movies take 3-4 years and 4 times as much as a traditional Disney animation such as Beauty and the Beast to make (which take about a year to make.) All I can say is the results are not worth it visually. If a director such as Cameron spent as much money and as much time on a traditional animation he would go down in history as one of the greatest visionary in animated cinema of the era, since tradtional artists given that amount of time and money would create something no-one has seen before, and would far surpass the visuals of these so-called 3d movies. There is no 3d in these movies. It is a flat screen and there is no 3d. no more 3d than any movie. It is all 2d. The only 3d is when you wear those special glasses, or there is a hologram. A hologram is somewhat 3d. An animated hologram would be the unltimate 3d animation. Everything else is pure 2d dimensional OffWorld So when you go to see this particular movie, do you wear special glasses?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: I had to wear special glasses to watch the movie in *3D*. From: off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 8:18:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar  --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ ... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: I saw it last night at the 12:01 AM showing. It's a wonderful movie but very predictable. Kind of a *Star Wars/ Dances With Wolves* kind of movie. 3D is excellent and worth seeing. Mike: How does it compare to IMAX 3-D? Is it even better than that? I've seen 3 or 4 IMAX's in 3-D the past couple of years and I must say I was very impressed. Prior to that, I was only familiar with the 3-D technology from the '60s and I wasn't very impressed (I was more impressed with John Waters' Smellovision or Odorama, whatever it was he called it!). So if this is, as touted, a 3-D technology that is a quantum leap over even the IMAX 3-D, it must be incredible. By the way, I have already resigned myself to the expectation that the movie itself will not be so great. I wasn't a fan of Titanic at all, although impressed with what Cameron achieved with it (a great Cinderella story). So I'll go see Avatar just for the historical aspect of it. It is not 3d. That is a misnomer. They call it 3d because the graphic artist can spin an object around and add color, textures, shading like a sculptor, and then animate it (make it move around.) The effects are applied to a wireframe such as you see me spinning a simple version of the concept here, -- http://screencast http://screencast . com/t/ZWE2ZmIzO  -- but this is all that 3d means here. You do not get the impression that there are 3 dimensions such as in a IMAX movie where you wear special glasses that allow the eyes to see 2 very slightly different views of the same image just like in real life, which is what gives us our sense of 3d in real life. These movies are no less 3d than a painting by Carravagio 400 years ago, and if traditional animation artists were given as much time and money as these movies are given to create a 3d animation using only paint to create the shading and textures, the results would far exceed these highly expensive animations that are given the misnoer 3d. These movies take 3-4 years and 4 times as much as a traditional Disney animation such as Beauty and the Beast to make (which take about a year to make.) All I can say is the results are not worth it visually. If a director such as Cameron spent as much money and as much time on a traditional animation he would go down in history as one of the greatest visionary in animated cinema of the era, since tradtional artists given that amount of time and money would create something no-one has seen before, and would far surpass the visuals of these so-called 3d movies. There is no 3d in these movies. It is a flat screen and there is no 3d. no more 3d than any movie. It is all 2d. The only 3d is when you wear those special glasses, or there is a hologram. A hologram is somewhat 3d. An animated hologram would be the unltimate 3d animation. Everything else is pure 2d dimensional OffWorld Oh ok, my bad. (sounds awful though -- like watching JaJa Binks in 3d :-) OffWorldAgain
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On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:00 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Oh ok, my bad. (sounds awful though -- like watching JaJa Binks in 3d :-) It was actually quite good. However if you are a conservative or a Republican, the jabs in it--several directly aimed at Bush Admin policies and some taken from Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and Neocon way of thinking--will make you say things like Mike said. It was a very tantric movie in that it dealt well with inter-dimensional congress and the idea of interdependent origination as a web naturally connecting all sentience.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:00 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Oh ok, my bad. (sounds awful though -- like watching JaJa Binks in 3d :-) It was actually quite good. However if you are a conservative or a Republican, the jabs in it--several directly aimed at Bush Admin policies and some taken from Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and Neocon way of thinking--will make you say things like Mike said. Well that shouldn't be a problem for me, seeing as how I was the first on FFL to support Obama. It was a very tantric movie in that it dealt well with inter-dimensional congress Several times angelic-like females have descended and made love to me in my sleep. Not joking. Its as real as it gets. The movie will not capture that. The feeling stays with you for days, weeks, and even for a lifetime you can recall it and it comes back. Very humbling feeling mixed with sweet love. and the idea of interdependent origination as a web naturally connecting all sentience. Which my mommy taught me when I was 5 years old. Seems obvious to me. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: I saw it last night at the 12:01 AM showing. It's a wonderful movie but very predictable. Kind of a *Star Wars/ Dances With Wolves* kind of movie. 3D is excellent and worth seeing. Mike: How does it compare to IMAX 3-D? Is it even better than that? I've seen 3 or 4 IMAX's in 3-D the past couple of years and I must say I was very impressed. Prior to that, I was only familiar with the 3-D technology from the '60s and I wasn't very impressed (I was more impressed with John Waters' Smellovision or Odorama, whatever it was he called it!). So if this is, as touted, a 3-D technology that is a quantum leap over even the IMAX 3-D, it must be incredible. By the way, I have already resigned myself to the expectation that the movie itself will not be so great. I wasn't a fan of Titanic at all, although impressed with what Cameron achieved with it (a great Cinderella story). So I'll go see Avatar just for the historical aspect of it.
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Shemp, it's the first 3D movie I've seen in many years(maybe since the sixties), so I can't compare it to anything, but I was very impressed. It's like HD on steroids! I may go back and watch it again on IMAx, I chose not to view it on IMAX last night because the seating wasn't great, so I settled for regular 3D. From: ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@netscape.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 9:21:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: I saw it last night at the 12:01 AM showing. It's a wonderful movie but very predictable. Kind of a *Star Wars/ Dances With Wolves* kind of movie. 3D is excellent and worth seeing. Mike: How does it compare to IMAX 3-D? Is it even better than that? I've seen 3 or 4 IMAX's in 3-D the past couple of years and I must say I was very impressed. Prior to that, I was only familiar with the 3-D technology from the '60s and I wasn't very impressed (I was more impressed with John Waters' Smellovision or Odorama, whatever it was he called it!). So if this is, as touted, a 3-D technology that is a quantum leap over even the IMAX 3-D, it must be incredible. By the way, I have already resigned myself to the expectation that the movie itself will not be so great. I wasn't a fan of Titanic at all, although impressed with what Cameron achieved with it (a great Cinderella story). So I'll go see Avatar just for the historical aspect of it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: I saw it last night at the 12:01 AM showing. It's a wonderful movie but very predictable. Kind of a *Star Wars/ Dances With Wolves* kind of movie. 3D is excellent and worth seeing. Mike: How does it compare to IMAX 3-D? Is it even better than that? I've seen 3 or 4 IMAX's in 3-D the past couple of years and I must say I was very impressed. Prior to that, I was only familiar with the 3-D technology from the '60s and I wasn't very impressed (I was more impressed with John Waters' Smellovision or Odorama, whatever it was he called it!). So if this is, as touted, a 3-D technology that is a quantum leap over even the IMAX 3-D, it must be incredible. By the way, I have already resigned myself to the expectation that the movie itself will not be so great. I wasn't a fan of Titanic at all, although impressed with what Cameron achieved with it (a great Cinderella story). So I'll go see Avatar just for the historical aspect of it. It is not 3d. That is a misnomer. They call it 3d because the graphic artist can spin an object around and add color, textures, shading like a sculptor, and then animate it (make it move around.) The effects are applied to a wireframe such as you see me spinning a simple version of the concept here, -- http://screencast.com/t/ZWE2ZmIzO http://screencast.com/t/ZWE2ZmIzO-- but this is all that 3d means here. You do not get the impression that there are 3 dimensions such as in a IMAX movie where you wear special glasses that allow the eyes to see 2 very slightly different views of the same image just like in real life, which is what gives us our sense of 3d in real life. These movies are no less 3d than a painting by Carravagio 400 years ago, and if traditional animation artists were given as much time and money as these movies are given to create a 3d animation using only paint to create the shading and textures, the results would far exceed these highly expensive animations that are given the misnoer 3d. These movies take 3-4 years and 4 times as much as a traditional Disney animation such as Beauty and the Beast to make (which take about a year to make.) All I can say is the results are not worth it visually. If a director such as Cameron spent as much money and as much time on a traditional animation he would go down in history as one of the greatest visionary in animated cinema of the era, since tradtional artists given that amount of time and money would create something no-one has seen before, and would far surpass the visuals of these so-called 3d movies. There is no 3d in these movies. It is a flat screen and there is no 3d. no more 3d than any movie. It is all 2d. The only 3d is when you wear those special glasses, or there is a hologram. A hologram is somewhat 3d. An animated hologram would be the unltimate 3d animation. Everything else is pure 2d dimensional OffWorld
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning- Avatar It is not 3d. That is a misnomer. They call it 3d because the graphic artist can spin an object around and add color, textures, shading like a sculptor, and then animate it (make it move around.) The effects are applied to a wireframe such as you see me spinning a simple version of the concept here, -- http://screencast.com/t/ZWE2ZmIzO http://screencast.com/t/ZWE2ZmIzO -- but this is all that 3d means here. You do not get the impression that there are 3 dimensions such as in a IMAX movie where you wear special glasses that allow the eyes to see 2 very slightly different views of the same image just like in real life, which is what gives us our sense of 3d in real life. These movies are no less 3d than a painting by Carravagio 400 years ago, and if traditional animation artists were given as much time and money as these movies are given to create a 3d animation using only paint to create the shading and textures, the results would far exceed these highly expensive animations that are given the misnoer 3d. These movies take 3-4 years and 4 times as much as a traditional Disney animation such as Beauty and the Beast to make (which take about a year to make.) All I can say is the results are not worth it visually. If a director such as Cameron spent as much money and as much time on a traditional animation he would go down in history as one of the greatest visionary in animated cinema of the era, since tradtional artists given that amount of time and money would create something no-one has seen before, and would far surpass the visuals of these so-called 3d movies. There is no 3d in these movies. It is a flat screen and there is no 3d. no more 3d than any movie. It is all 2d. The only 3d is when you wear those special glasses, or there is a hologram. A hologram is somewhat 3d. An animated hologram would be the unltimate 3d animation. Everything else is pure 2d dimensional OffWorld So when you go to see this particular movie, do you wear special glasses?
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I did not mentioned bijas... I referred your question to the fact that in Upanishads the principle about nick names is described. So stick to the subject Willy! 2009/12/14 WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Zoran Krneta wrote: So you did not read Upanishads! Are there any bija mantras mentioned in any of the major Upanishads? I think not, Zoran. The bija mantras are mentioned in the Tantras, which came much later during the Gupta Age in India. There are no bijas in the Rig Veda or in any of the major Upanishads. The alphabet wasn't used in India until the time of the Ashokan Pillars, (circa 200 BC). So, assuming that the bijas were based on the letters of the alphabet, their use would be after Pannini.
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On Dec 15, 2009, at 2:47 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: ...in fact I would operate under the assumption, esp. in my post TM Org days where the obsession was are you witnessing yet?--to the point of hyper-vigilance. And the people who wish themselves into some dissociative witnessing state. Higher? No. Better? Not. It's just lazy wording on my part. I operate under the rough assumption that some people, probably a minority, may have some gist of where I'm coming from. I find on a predominantly TMer mindset list, most people won't get where I'm coming from and don't care to remove themselves from their TC-CC-GC-UC dreams long enough to care to shift paradigms. Many CAN'T shift mindsets. They're too stuck in theirs. While I may agree, I'd prefer to keep this more of a philosophical or idea thread and less of a bash TM thread, so I'll pass on any comments. Then consider this the idea that people get stuck in their mindsets to the exclusion of other ways of seeing. Transcend and include vs. transcend and exclude. What if ALL states of consciousness were on exactly the same level? What if NONE of them were superior to any other on any level? Would that fuck with your world view? It would not fuck with mine. Again, it would depend how you defined level. If you meant I take all experiences in equanimity, I'd probably agree with you. But if you took it to mean all experiential points-of-view are the same, I'd probably disagree. So would I. I wouldn't ever suggest that they were all the same, or even that they were all equally desirable given personal preference and personal goals. I would just dispute that there is any cosmic goal that places one higher than another. It would be a potentially worthless waste of time. In your opinion. Not in mine. Is your opinion better than mine? :-) Well, again, it would depend on whether or not you felt time was important or not. And again, whether time was important or not depends on whether you think there is a goal to be accom- plished or not. But the actual proof is in realization of the nondual experience of swarodaya, the arising of letters--either directly or via a close friend--which is not seen through eyes in the ordinary sense, but seen through your rigpa. When in doubt, trot out jargon. :-) Not meaning to give you in particular a hard time, Vaj. I'm just being honest here. I see neither value nor truth in the Woo-Woo approach to such things. I'm a spiritual pragmatist. If it works, I don't have to make up stories about how or why it works. Good, you shouldn't. It either works or it doesn't. Very scientific. And, as with science, you use appropriate terminology where necessary. My definition of appropriate means that the terminology used is inclusive, not exclusive. Using terms that exclude those not intimately familiar with those terms is not science but eltitism. There are ways of saying the same things that are inclusive. The use of words foreign to one's culture has a number of benefits: specificity, cross-cultural education, cultural preservation, brevity and introduction of foreign ideas to a culture. It might be preferable for some to say it's the sum of your actions, of the past, the present and the stored actions in your subconscious creating effects in the present and in the future and the effects of your current actions on the future but it may be easier to simply say it's your karma dude. Of course the advantage is that once people hear a word or phrase enough times, even foreign words become part of another cultures lingo, n'est-ce pas? Polyglottiphobia has it's disadvantages. If there are not appropriate terms in your native language, then I borrow them from languages that have an appropriately sophisticated vocabulary for what I'm describing. I believe there are *always* appropriate terms in anyone's language that are inclusive. Not if the framework or system of understanding for specific words does not exist in that language. Can one go through some convoluted gymnastics to fit the round peg of another culture and mindset into one's own square-holed xenophobic comfort zone? Sure. But some thing's always lost in the translation. And sometimes what's lost is the originating culture itself, not just the meaning and context. Consider Israel. A country largely kept alive through occupation by eastern European Jews. Is there an advantage to making the official language of the country Hebrew as opposed to German or English? Consider Tibet under Chinese occupation. Chinese relocation policies filled the country with Chinese speaking settlers. The traditional Tibetan education system is replaced by the Chinese language. In either case, the danger is the same: cultural genocide vs. cultural preservation. Extinction vs. survival. Expand or die. Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious used to be atrocious, but now
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Zoran Krneta wrote: ...I referred your question to the fact that in Upanishads the principle about nick names is described. The principles of the nick-names and the bija mantras are described in the Tantras, Zoran, not in the Upanishads. A bija mantra is a nick-name of the devata. The TM bija mantras came from Guru Dev, who was a member of the Dasanami Order of the Saraswati Dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. Guru Dev's teacher was Swami Krishnanada Saraswati of Uttar Kashi. The Dandi sannyasins of the Saraswati Order in the Shankaracharya tradition are termed Gyan Yogis, and thay all worship the Goddess of Knowledge and Learning, Sri Saraswati. She is enthroned at the Sringeri Matha in Karnataka, South India, founded by the Adi Shankara in the ninth century AD. At Sringeri Shankara placed the image of Saraswati, which he had brought from Kashmere. She is seated in a meditative posture and depicted as having four arms. In each hand respectivly she holds the Book of Knowledge (Yajur Veda), the Mala, symbolising deep meditation, a pot, and a vina. All of the Saraswati dasanamis are adherents of the Sri Vidya sect and they follow the teachings contained in the Saunadryalahari which was composed by the Adi Shankara, containing the fifteen bija mantras. According to Vedanta, Saraswati is considered to be the feminine energy, or Adi Shakti of Brahman. Sri Vidya, that is, Auspicious Knowledge, is considered to be the symbol of the Transcendental Absolute. In addition to twice daily meditation on the bija mantra of Saraswati, the dasanamis of the Saraswati Order, perform the Saraswati Puja on the 5th day of Magha month, known as Basant Panchami. Devi Saraswati: http://tinyurl.com/yaxuhk4 Sri Yantra: http://tinyurl.com/yc9mmjt
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The principles of the nick-names and the bija mantras are described in the Tantras, Zoran, not in the Upanishads. So you did not read Upanishads carefully Willy. You don't know where in the Upanishads is the part of the text which brings out principle that Gods are pleased to be called indirectly. That is very simple to admit rather then lecturing me about something which I did not ask you. Please stick to the subject Willy!
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Zoran Krneta wrote: Please stick to the subject Willy! There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda or in any of the major Upanishads, Zoran. Bija mantras are enumerated in the Tantras. We already know that the bija mantras are the 'pleasing names of God' from Billy's post and from reading Maharishi's booklet, 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas'. What we are wanting to know is where do the TM bija mantras come from. Since the bija mantras are not mentioned in the Upanishads or in the Rig Veda. We have already ruled out divine intervention, so we are now examining the historical record to find out their origin. Let's try to stay on topic, Zoran. I've read most of the Upanishads and the only one to mention this is the Mandukya Upanishad with a commentary by Gaudapada. But the monosyllable 'OM' isn't really considered to be a bija mantra.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Zoran Krneta wrote: Please stick to the subject Willy! There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda or in any of the major Upanishads, Zoran. Bija mantras are enumerated in the Tantras. We already know that the bija mantras are the 'pleasing names of God' from Billy's post and from reading Maharishi's booklet, 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas'. What we are wanting to know is where do the TM bija mantras come from. Since the bija mantras are not mentioned in the Upanishads or in the Rig Veda. We have already ruled out divine intervention, so we are now examining the historical record to find out their origin. Let's try to stay on topic, Zoran. I've read most of the Upanishads and the only one to mention this is the Mandukya Upanishad with a commentary by Gaudapada. But the monosyllable 'OM' isn't really considered to be a bija mantra. We also know that bija mantras can be found in tantra for sure, there is even a TM mantra there, but I won't say what it is. The sounds of the Chakras below: http://www.sanatansociety.org/index.htm
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yifuxero wrote: I feel that at this time, some important information on the TM mantras should be revealed online... How are you going to do that if you know next to nothing about the TM mantras? Apparently you don't even know where the TM mantras came from, or what they mean. Do you have any evidence you'd like to share that would prove that the Marshy didn't just make up the TM mantras? John Manning already posted some of the TM mantras, as well as the checking notes, on Google Groups and on Yahoo! Groups.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: yifuxero wrote: I feel that at this time, some important information on the TM mantras should be revealed online... How are you going to do that if you know next to nothing about the TM mantras? Apparently you don't even know where the TM mantras came from, or what they mean. Do you have any evidence you'd like to share that would prove that the Marshy didn't just make up the TM mantras? John Manning already posted some of the TM mantras, as well as the checking notes, on Google Groups and on Yahoo! Groups. As Charlie used to say, The mantras are the most pleasing names of God, I agree! What good would they be if they had no resonance with higher power. These Devatas, (or gods) have names or sounds that are immanent within us, AS us! Each chakra petal is a bija mantra and an immanent manifestation of that Devata. To dwell on the meaning is NOT necessary as sound seeks it's own level, like the resonance of two similar tuning forks, hit one and the other begins to vibrate at the same frequency.the science of sound is the science of TM.
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Do you have any evidence you'd like to share that would prove that the Marshy didn't just make up the TM mantras? BillyG wrote: As Charlie used to say, The mantras are the most pleasing names of God, I agree! What good would they be if they had no resonance with higher power? Thanks, Billy, for the information. But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Did someone make them up or what? Maybe the Gods don't like being addressed by their real names, so they told the Rishis to call them by other, shorter names. But, who was the first person to call a God by his nick-name?
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On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:00 PM, WillyTex wrote: Do you have any evidence you'd like to share that would prove that the Marshy didn't just make up the TM mantras? BillyG wrote: As Charlie used to say, The mantras are the most pleasing names of God, I agree! What good would they be if they had no resonance with higher power? Thanks, Billy, for the information. But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Did someone make them up or what? Maybe the Gods don't like being addressed by their real names, so they told the Rishis to call them by other, shorter names. But, who was the first person to call a God by his nick-name? They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their dimensions. They were realized by seers in their own consciousness. Didn't you ever hear of the Law of Seed and Tree?
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But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Vaj wrote: They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their dimensions. They were realized by seers in their own consciousness. Didn't you ever hear of the Law of Seed and Tree? Maybe so, but wouldn't it just be more honest and simple to admit that the bija mantras were made up by someone?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Do you have any evidence you'd like to share that would prove that the Marshy didn't just make up the TM mantras? BillyG wrote: As Charlie used to say, The mantras are the most pleasing names of God, I agree! What good would they be if they had no resonance with higher power? Thanks, Billy, for the information. But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Did someone make them up or what? Maybe the Gods don't like being addressed by their real names, so they told the Rishis to call them by other, shorter names. But, who was the first person to call a God by his nick-name? The ancient seers correlated the vibrations of the cerebral forces and their respective centers in the spine. From the seed sounds (bija) emitted by the action of these vibrations, the *rishis* evolved the phonetically perfect Sanskrit alphabet. also: From the realization of the potencies of these vibratory bija or seed sounds, the *rishis* devised mantras that, when properly intoned, activate these creative forces to produce the desired result. Mantras therefore, are one means of tuning in with subtle or divine forces. Swami Yogananda's incredibly lucid and revelatory Bhagavad Gita. In print only *after* MMY's came out. There are 50 letters or sounds in the Sanskrit alphabet exactly the number of chakra petals (seed sounds) on the 6 lower chakras, the 7th being a multiple of them all.
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On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:37 PM, WillyTex wrote: But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Vaj wrote: They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their dimensions. They were realized by seers in their own consciousness. Didn't you ever hear of the Law of Seed and Tree? Maybe so, but wouldn't it just be more honest and simple to admit that the bija mantras were made up by someone? Not if that simply wasn't true!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:37 PM, WillyTex wrote: But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Vaj wrote: They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their dimensions. They were realized by seers in their own consciousness. Didn't you ever hear of the Law of Seed and Tree? Maybe so, but wouldn't it just be more honest and simple to admit that the bija mantras were made up by someone? Not if that simply wasn't true! I think it would be safe to say that the mantras were made up by MahaPrakriti or Mother Nature, she created everything material using the Maha Mantra AUM from which all of creation and mantras come forth. She herself being the embodiment of that Sound, it's called the 'string theory' in quantum mechanics. Beyond sound is the Purusha
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On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:11 PM, BillyG wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:37 PM, WillyTex wrote: But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Vaj wrote: They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their dimensions. They were realized by seers in their own consciousness. Didn't you ever hear of the Law of Seed and Tree? Maybe so, but wouldn't it just be more honest and simple to admit that the bija mantras were made up by someone? Not if that simply wasn't true! I think it would be safe to say that the mantras were made up by MahaPrakriti or Mother Nature, she created everything material using the Maha Mantra AUM from which all of creation and mantras come forth. She herself being the embodiment of that Sound, it's called the 'string theory' in quantum mechanics. The knowledge of the mechanics of the arising of letters (swarodaya) was given by Shiva to Shakti in the Hindu kalachakra. The identical wisdom is also contained in the Buddhist anuttara-tantra, the kalachakra-tantra.
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But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Did someone make them up or what? Maybe the Gods don't like being addressed by their real names, so they told the Rishis to call them by other, shorter names. But, who was the first person to call a God by his nick-name? So you did not read Upanishads!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:11 PM, BillyG wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:37 PM, WillyTex wrote: But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Vaj wrote: They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their dimensions. They were realized by seers in their own consciousness. Didn't you ever hear of the Law of Seed and Tree? Maybe so, but wouldn't it just be more honest and simple to admit that the bija mantras were made up by someone? Not if that simply wasn't true! I think it would be safe to say that the mantras were made up by MahaPrakriti or Mother Nature, she created everything material using the Maha Mantra AUM from which all of creation and mantras come forth. She herself being the embodiment of that Sound, it's called the 'string theory' in quantum mechanics. The knowledge of the mechanics of the arising of letters (swarodaya) was given by Shiva to Shakti in the Hindu kalachakra. The identical wisdom is also contained in the Buddhist anuttara-tantra, the kalachakra-tantra. Just as a philosophical question, Vaj, what if what Willytex suggests *were* true, and somebody just made the mantras up, and then made up stories to make it seem that they hadn't? What if their cognition were no more special than any of us getting a wild-hair-up-our-asses idea and then justifying it as seeing or cognition? I am equally comfortable with *both* explanations of the origin of mantras. Are you? Magic? No magic? Woo-woo? No woo-woo. What is the difference if they work to achieve the predicted result? I guess I'm throwing out the gauntlet of magical thinking here. Would it *matter* to you if the mantras had really been merely thought up by mere humans, with no divine or spiritual inter- vention? It wouldn't matter a damn to me.
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They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their dimensions. They were realized by seers in their own consciousness. Didn't you ever hear of the Law of Seed and Tree? Maybe so, but wouldn't it just be more honest and simple to admit that the bija mantras were made up by someone? Vaj wrote: Not if that simply wasn't true! Obviously the bija mantras were made up by somebody, unless you're thinking the bija mantras existed in the mind of God since the beginning of creation. If so, are you thinking that the bija seed sounds are eternal and not created?
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I think it would be safe to say that the mantras were made up by MahaPrakriti... Vaj wrote: The knowledge of the mechanics of the arising of letters (swarodaya) was given by Shiva to Shakti in the Hindu kalachakra. The identical wisdom is also contained in the Buddhist anuttara-tantra, the kalachakra-tantra. Maybe so, but is there any evidence that 'Shiva' or 'Shakti' were real historical people? The Kalachakra Tantra (Wheel of Time) is a Buddhist work, not Hindu. Kalachakri is a yidam of Kalachakra in Vajrayana Buddhism - there is no 'Yab-Yum' in Hindu iconography. Apparently the Kalachakra Tantra originated with Naropa in 1026 A.D. at Nalanda, and was then taken to Tibet. So, apparently Naropa made up the bija mantras contained in the Kalachakra Tantra. However, there is no evidence that the historical Buddha had anything to do with the composing of the Kalachakra Tantra.
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On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:16 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Just as a philosophical question, Vaj, what if what Willytex suggests *were* true, and somebody just made the mantras up, and then made up stories to make it seem that they hadn't? What if their cognition were no more special than any of us getting a wild-hair-up-our-asses idea and then justifying it as seeing or cognition? I am equally comfortable with *both* explanations of the origin of mantras. Are you? Making up mantras to me would be no different from someone making up a scientific theory out of whole cloth and then claiming it's based on fact. Eventually it becomes obvious it's a fake. If mantras are not linked to a recent higher or different desirable state of consciousness, IMO, why bother? It would be a potentially worthless waste of time. But the actual proof is in realization of the nondual experience of swarodaya, the arising of letters--either directly or via a close friend--which is not seen through eyes in the ordinary sense, but seen through your rigpa. That's not to say some people don't make up mantras. I'm sure there are those who do.
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Zoran Krneta wrote: But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Did someone make them up or what? Maybe the Gods don't like being addressed by their real names, so they told the Rishis to call them by other, shorter names. But, who was the first person to call a God by his nick-name? So you did not read Upanishads! They are resonance patterns that have a certain effect on the nervous system. What benefits they derive were of course attributed to gods as metaphors so simple people could grasp the physics.
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On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:44 PM, WillyTex wrote: I think it would be safe to say that the mantras were made up by MahaPrakriti... Vaj wrote: The knowledge of the mechanics of the arising of letters (swarodaya) was given by Shiva to Shakti in the Hindu kalachakra. The identical wisdom is also contained in the Buddhist anuttara-tantra, the kalachakra-tantra. Maybe so, but is there any evidence that 'Shiva' or 'Shakti' were real historical people? The Kalachakra Tantra (Wheel of Time) is a Buddhist work, not Hindu. Kalachakri is a yidam of Kalachakra in Vajrayana Buddhism - there is no 'Yab-Yum' in Hindu iconography. There's both a pre-Buddhist (Hindu) Kalachakra and a Buddhist one.
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TurquoiseB wrote: Would it *matter* to you if the mantras had really been merely thought up by mere humans, with no divine or spiritual intervention? It wouldn't matter a damn to me. Well, it would matter to some people if they wanted to know what tradition their bija mantras came from. I'd be a lot more comfortable knowing that the TM bija mantras came from the Shankaracharya Tradition, and that they were part of the spiritual practice advocated by the Adi Shankara and Guru Dev. If they were just made up by Mahesh Yogi, I'd wonder why he didn't just say so. It would be of some interest if the TM bija mantras were found in the Tantras or in some of the writings of the Adi Shankara. That way, they would be considered to be traditional, and not just some nonsense gibbirish made up by some factory worker from India.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:16 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Just as a philosophical question, Vaj, what if what Willytex suggests *were* true, and somebody just made the mantras up, and then made up stories to make it seem that they hadn't? What if their cognition were no more special than any of us getting a wild-hair-up-our-asses idea and then justifying it as seeing or cognition? I am equally comfortable with *both* explanations of the origin of mantras. Are you? Making up mantras to me would be no different from someone making up a scientific theory out of whole cloth and then claiming it's based on fact. Does not that describe every scientific theory ever invented? The inventors may then go on to prove the validity of their made-up theory by adhering to the dogma of science, but at its start (and possibly all through the process), it is nothing more than someone thinking up someone and then claiming it to be Truth. Eventually it becomes obvious it's a fake. If mantras are not linked to a recent higher or different desirable state of consciousness, IMO, why bother? Why not? You are assuming the betterness of higher or different state of consciousness. I do not. What if ALL states of consciousness were on exactly the same level? What if NONE of them were superior to any other on any level? Would that fuck with your world view? It would not fuck with mine. It would be a potentially worthless waste of time. In your opinion. Not in mine. Is your opinion better than mine? :-) But the actual proof is in realization of the nondual experience of swarodaya, the arising of letters--either directly or via a close friend--which is not seen through eyes in the ordinary sense, but seen through your rigpa. When in doubt, trot out jargon. :-) Not meaning to give you in particular a hard time, Vaj. I'm just being honest here. I see neither value nor truth in the Woo-Woo approach to such things. I'm a spiritual pragmatist. If it works, I don't have to make up stories about how or why it works.
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But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Zoran Krneta wrote: So you did not read Upanishads! Are there any bija mantras mentioned in any of the major Upanishads? I think not, Zoran. The bija mantras are mentioned in the Tantras, which came much later during the Gupta Age in India. There are no bijas in the Rig Veda or in any of the major Upanishads. The alphabet wasn't used in India until the time of the Ashokan Pillars, (circa 200 BC). So, assuming that the bijas were based on the letters of the alphabet, their use would be after Pannini.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Maybe so, but is there any evidence that 'Shiva' or 'Shakti' were real historical people? As you know Willy, Shiva and Shakti were not people and never were (as we understand them today). Shiva is merely symbolic represented as the Absolute unmanifest Spirit (beyond creation). Shakti is the name and symbolic form of the creative vibration of the great sound of AUM which is the foundation of all creation. Shiva is formless consciousness, Shakti is his dynamic energy (Lika/play) . Kundalini Shakti is that energy reservoir in Man. All souls are part and parcel of God (Purusha), all bodies are of Shakti, individual existence apart from God is avidya or ignorance and an illusion!! You already know this. The Kalachakra Tantra (Wheel of Time) is a Buddhist work, not Hindu. Kalachakri is a yidam of Kalachakra in Vajrayana Buddhism - there is no 'Yab-Yum' in Hindu iconography. Apparently the Kalachakra Tantra originated with Naropa in 1026 A.D. at Nalanda, and was then taken to Tibet. So, apparently Naropa made up the bija mantras contained in the Kalachakra Tantra. However, there is no evidence that the historical Buddha had anything to do with the composing of the Kalachakra Tantra.
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The Kalachakra Tantra (Wheel of Time) is a Buddhist work, not Hindu. Kalachakri is a yidam of Kalachakra in Vajrayana Buddhism - there is no 'Yab-Yum' in Hindu iconography. Vaj wrote: There's both a pre-Buddhist (Hindu) Kalachakra and a Buddhist one... There are no pre-Buddhist Kalachakras in India and no Yab-Yum iconography in Hindu tantra. Obviously, the Kalachakra Tantra is an invention of Vajrayana Buddhism, which before 1947, was not extant in India. Kalachakra doctrine is probably a Tibetan invention related to the Shamballa mythology. It is a fact that the 'Kalachakra Tantra' was not taught by the historical Buddha (circa 400 BC). 'Shiva' and 'Shakti' are not historical people.
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On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:05 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:16 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Just as a philosophical question, Vaj, what if what Willytex suggests *were* true, and somebody just made the mantras up, and then made up stories to make it seem that they hadn't? What if their cognition were no more special than any of us getting a wild-hair-up-our-asses idea and then justifying it as seeing or cognition? I am equally comfortable with *both* explanations of the origin of mantras. Are you? Making up mantras to me would be no different from someone making up a scientific theory out of whole cloth and then claiming it's based on fact. Does not that describe every scientific theory ever invented? The inventors may then go on to prove the validity of their made-up theory by adhering to the dogma of science, but at its start (and possibly all through the process), it is nothing more than someone thinking up someone and then claiming it to be Truth. Well, no. They have to first develop an educated guess or hypothesis. So it sounds like you're talking about an hypothesis, not a scientific theory. But of course, a theory's just a theory until one that replaces it comes along. :-) Eventually it becomes obvious it's a fake. If mantras are not linked to a recent higher or different desirable state of consciousness, IMO, why bother? Why not? Time is limited--and therefore precious. Now if I was was Bill Compton, maybe. ;-) You are assuming the betterness of higher or different state of consciousness. I do not. It would depend how you define higher. I would definitely NOT assume all states are desirable, in fact I would operate under the assumption, esp. in my post TM Org days where the obsession was are you witnessing yet?--to the point of hyper-vigilance. And the people who wish themselves into some dissociative witnessing state. Higher? No. Better? Not. It's just lazy wording on my part. I operate under the rough assumption that some people, probably a minority, may have some gist of where I'm coming from. I find on a predominantly TMer mindset list, most people won't get where I'm coming from and don't care to remove themselves from their TC-CC-GC-UC dreams long enough to care to shift paradigms. Many CAN'T shift mindsets. They're too stuck in theirs. What if ALL states of consciousness were on exactly the same level? What if NONE of them were superior to any other on any level? Would that fuck with your world view? It would not fuck with mine. Again, it would depend how you defined level. If you meant I take all experiences in equanimity, I'd probably agree with you. But if you took it to mean all experiential points-of-view are the same, I'd probably disagree. It would be a potentially worthless waste of time. In your opinion. Not in mine. Is your opinion better than mine? :-) Well, again, it would depend on whether or not you felt time was important or not. But the actual proof is in realization of the nondual experience of swarodaya, the arising of letters--either directly or via a close friend--which is not seen through eyes in the ordinary sense, but seen through your rigpa. When in doubt, trot out jargon. :-) Not meaning to give you in particular a hard time, Vaj. I'm just being honest here. I see neither value nor truth in the Woo-Woo approach to such things. I'm a spiritual pragmatist. If it works, I don't have to make up stories about how or why it works. Good, you shouldn't. It either works or it doesn't. Very scientific. And, as with science, you use appropriate terminology where necessary. If there are not appropriate terms in your native language, then I borrow them from languages that have an appropriately sophisticated vocabulary for what I'm describing. However, if you were actually pragmatic, you'd realize that as a human being, you have a limited amount of time, and therefore, time is precious.
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On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, WillyTex wrote: The Kalachakra Tantra (Wheel of Time) is a Buddhist work, not Hindu. Kalachakri is a yidam of Kalachakra in Vajrayana Buddhism - there is no 'Yab-Yum' in Hindu iconography. Vaj wrote: There's both a pre-Buddhist (Hindu) Kalachakra and a Buddhist one... There are no pre-Buddhist Kalachakras in India and no Yab-Yum iconography in Hindu tantra. Obviously, the Kalachakra Tantra is an invention of Vajrayana Buddhism, which before 1947, was not extant in India. Kalachakra doctrine is probably a Tibetan invention related to the Shamballa mythology. Sorry Willy, there was and still is a Hindu kalachakra AND there were yab-yum figures in Hindu tantra. What you perhaps meants to say was you've never seen them. It is a fact that the 'Kalachakra Tantra' was not taught by the historical Buddha (circa 400 BC). 'Shiva' and 'Shakti' are not historical people. Is it a fact?
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There are no pre-Buddhist Kalachakras in India and no Yab-Yum iconography in Hindu tantra. Vaj wrote: ...there was and still is a Hindu kalachakra AND there were yab-yum figures in Hindu tantra. The Tantric Vajarayana, the source of the iconography Yab-Yum died out in India back in the 5th century. There was no such Yab-Yum iconography in India until the recent Tibetan diaspora. The term 'Yab-Yum' is a Tibetan term, not Hindu one. The Yab-Yum is the symbol of sexual polarity, upaya (male) and prajna (female), a main feature of Tantric teaching in Tibet and Nepal. The symbolism of union and sexual polarity is the central teaching of Tantric Buddhism, which is based on the Anuttarayoga Tantra, the meditative central practice of the Dzogchen and Vajrayana tradition. There were no Yab-Yums in Hindu iconography. In Tibetan Vajrayana the active principle is 'means' and the passive principle is 'wisdom'. In Yab-Yum iconography the male is the active partner and the female is the passive partner. This iconographic principle is unique to Tibetan Buddhism.
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Maybe so, but is there any evidence that 'Shiva' or 'Shakti' were real historical people? BillyG wrote: Shiva is formless consciousness, Shakti is his dynamic energy (Lika/play). Maybe so, Billy, but if you look closely at the Yab-Yum icon, you'll notice that the male is the active partner and the female is the passive partner. That's a Tibetan principle not shared by Hindu tantrism. Hindus do not worship yidams, they worship devatas. The Kalachakra Tantra (Wheel of Time) is a Buddhist work, not Hindu. Kalachakri is a yidam of Kalachakra in Vajrayana Buddhism - there is no 'Yab-Yum' in Hindu iconography.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:05 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: If mantras are not linked to a recent higher or different desirable state of consciousness, IMO, why bother? Why not? Time is limited--and therefore precious. Now if I was was Bill Compton, maybe. ;-) A good point, if you assume that there is a goal in mind. And I don't see anything wrong with that assumption, as long as one bears in mind that it's a personal goal, not necessarily a cosmic one. You are assuming the betterness of higher or different state of consciousness. I do not. It would depend how you define higher. I would definitely NOT assume all states are desirable... A good point. Personal preference definitely enters into the equation. ...in fact I would operate under the assumption, esp. in my post TM Org days where the obsession was are you witnessing yet?--to the point of hyper-vigilance. And the people who wish themselves into some dissociative witnessing state. Higher? No. Better? Not. It's just lazy wording on my part. I operate under the rough assumption that some people, probably a minority, may have some gist of where I'm coming from. I find on a predominantly TMer mindset list, most people won't get where I'm coming from and don't care to remove themselves from their TC-CC-GC-UC dreams long enough to care to shift paradigms. Many CAN'T shift mindsets. They're too stuck in theirs. While I may agree, I'd prefer to keep this more of a philosophical or idea thread and less of a bash TM thread, so I'll pass on any comments. What if ALL states of consciousness were on exactly the same level? What if NONE of them were superior to any other on any level? Would that fuck with your world view? It would not fuck with mine. Again, it would depend how you defined level. If you meant I take all experiences in equanimity, I'd probably agree with you. But if you took it to mean all experiential points-of-view are the same, I'd probably disagree. So would I. I wouldn't ever suggest that they were all the same, or even that they were all equally desirable given personal preference and personal goals. I would just dispute that there is any cosmic goal that places one higher than another. It would be a potentially worthless waste of time. In your opinion. Not in mine. Is your opinion better than mine? :-) Well, again, it would depend on whether or not you felt time was important or not. And again, whether time was important or not depends on whether you think there is a goal to be accom- plished or not. But the actual proof is in realization of the nondual experience of swarodaya, the arising of letters--either directly or via a close friend--which is not seen through eyes in the ordinary sense, but seen through your rigpa. When in doubt, trot out jargon. :-) Not meaning to give you in particular a hard time, Vaj. I'm just being honest here. I see neither value nor truth in the Woo-Woo approach to such things. I'm a spiritual pragmatist. If it works, I don't have to make up stories about how or why it works. Good, you shouldn't. It either works or it doesn't. Very scientific. And, as with science, you use appropriate terminology where necessary. My definition of appropriate means that the terminology used is inclusive, not exclusive. Using terms that exclude those not intimately familiar with those terms is not science but eltitism. There are ways of saying the same things that are inclusive. If there are not appropriate terms in your native language, then I borrow them from languages that have an appropriately sophisticated vocabulary for what I'm describing. I believe there are *always* appropriate terms in anyone's language that are inclusive. Using exclusive terms just because one knows them is still elitism IMO, not sophis- tication. I'm still a big fan of Kurt Vonnegut's line, Any scientist who can't explain to an eight-year old what he is doing is a charlatan. However, if you were actually pragmatic, you'd realize that as a human being, you have a limited amount of time, and therefore, time is precious. However, only if you believe there is a goal. If your definition of a good journey involves getting to the destination you had in mind when you started it, then time is a consideration. My definition of a good journey is one in which every step along the Way is treasured for what it is, and the destination is irrelevant.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: WillyTex , the FFL village idiot wrote: Do not take the advice of the Bharat Two, the Vajra Dot, or any advice from the Turq Bee, or the Dork Flex. They do not have any idea of good dhmo, punk or pan. Apparently, they are not pundits, they are not siddhas, they are not yogins, or naths, they are obvious TMer impostors. I had pan in India, bub. In Varanasi and in southern Kerala. I had it in New Delhi. Bought it from a street vendor, out of curiosity. I asked him what a beginner should try (it comes in numerous varieties) and he recommended a Sweet Pan, which he then made for me. Interesting, but I wouldn't ever try it again (just as I once tried chewing tobacco but would never revisit that experience either). What about you? Guess I might have some idea what pan is. And actually there have been some pan products sold in boxes that have leaves in them you can get at the Indian grocery. I'm not talking about those little packets which are mainly the nut cut up with herbs. Take a look the next time you are at the local Indian grocery (if you have one). They are often right there at the register. Yes, they sell it in each Indian grocery I've been in in the Phoenix area. As for incense it depends on what you buy at the Indian grocery. There are some excellent brands that be bought there. For a while and I don't think it is still true there was a sandalwood shortage that might have led to some bad incense but if you knew what brand to look for it wasn't a problem. It also helps to become friends with the grocer too. I don't know about Vaj but we know that Turq, flex and myself all were TM teachers. What about you? Bharat Two on betel and punk; Vaj Dot on naps; Dork Flex on dhmo; Turq Bee on camphor fumes: Indians grow the trees here in the US and share the leaves... Don't worry, TM is still a wonderful form of power napping... I don't know who your initiator was, but he or she was burning styrofoam cup bits instead of camphor... You really fucked up on this post of yours, Delia... LOL!!! Read more: Everyone knows that the mundane joss sticks found in most Indian grocery stores is pure punk, not worth a penny...
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Bhairitu wrote: I had pan in India, bub. You should never chew pan in India bought from a street wallah. This a WARNING!!!
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WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu wrote: I had pan in India, bub. You should never chew pan in India bought from a street wallah. This a WARNING!!! A person I was with lived in India for several years and assured us it was safe. Probably the leaf not to mention other ingredients keeps the parasites away. Parasites are mainly what you have to worry about in India though I asked about the vegetables sold on carts and many of those are sprayed with chemicals long banned in the US.
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You should never chew pan in India bought from a street wallah. Bhairitu wrote: A person I was with lived in India for several years and assured us it was safe. Maybe so, but it could have had lead paint in it.
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Bhairitu wrote: As for incense it depends on what you buy at the Indian grocery. .. Almost all Indian grocery stores sell punk under various brand names. But you should never offer punk to the deity; apparently they find that offensive and crude. Don't add injury to insult by lighting up some paraffin candles with a BIC lighter - that will really set them off. If you have been doing this, perhaps that might explain why you're having so much trouble these days. Deities prefer pure camphor lit from an eternal flame. Try essential oils instead - avoid all the smoke which increases global warming. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraffin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraffin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: Figured I'd drop in today to see what's going on post concert. Nothing much changes with you Judy. Nearly every post of yours concerns Barry in one way or another. It's just Judy proving that she's not distraught by spending almost every post this week talking about me. :-) And here you are offering to match IQ's with Ruth anytime. You have no idea how ridiculous you come off do you. You have to put the IQ quote into context, Geez. This year marks the 50th anniversary of Judy's graduation from Chatty Cathy class, where out of her *entire* class of Chatty Cathy dolls, Judy memorized the highest number of pre-programmed things to say whenever someone pulls the string. She upholds that tradition to this day. Pull the string and she repeats almost everything she was was ever taught by Maharishi and his teachers. That's a *form* of IQ, although I am not con- vinced that the I in the phrase stands for intelligence. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:43 PM, shukra69 wrote: Here is the person who has no truth in him, when caught in lies tells many more lies, accusing someone of having a dishonest approach. Likewise Vaj who accuses others of ad-hominen arguements and never hesitates to make them. Shameless liar.Liar and shameless. TB Shukra who still doesn't know the difference from being accused of lies by dishonest people, the ignorant or the personality disordered and actual lies. It's a distinction of convenience we see a lot here. Actually there's a very easy way to tell the difference. Yes, there is. When a TM-approved Chatty Cathy Doll says X is a liar, that is supposed to be definitive. :-) You know...the same way it's supposed to be definitive when TMers say TM is not a religion as they attend Lord Rama's birthday celebration and bow to him and make offerings to him. Or the way that claiming that TM is unique or that comtemplation is dif- ficult when they've never once tried another technique of meditation is definitive. Or the same way that saying I can think for myself and I am not a parrot is definitive as they repeat to a TM-teacher- turned-TM-critic the *exact* phrase that he taught thousands of people to say exactly the way they just said it. Or maybe the same way the Chatty Cathy doll says, Mel Gibson is a Christian Bigot, based on a movie of his she never bothered to see. And who defends it to this day. Or maybe even the way claiming that the TM critics who still have 20-40 posts left for the week when she has posted out hysterically countering their few satirical posts is definitive when she says that THEY are distraught. THESE are all examples of how to tell definitively who is lying and who is not. :-) :-) :-) HINT: *Saying* I never lie is not the same as never lying. Especially when dealing with people who have watched you lie by commission or omission for decades. As a definitive source of who is lying on this forum and who is not, Judy, you have all the credence of Dick Cheney.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: snip And I wish I had never started and my friends never started. I wish my friends had never become parusha or siddhas and lived lives sucking resources from others. I wish that they didn't take enemas and weird supplements to cure chronic disease. School is not for spiritual development. Meditate after school. Sit in silence after school. Pray after school. You sound like maybe you're a candidate for John Knapp's counseling services, Ruth. I'm serious; that's not snark. You seem genuinely distraught. He apparently does counseling over the phone, BTW. I'm getting a very disingenuous vibe here Judy. None of the issues Ruth mentioned as concerns have anything to do with John's practice. Oh, they certainly do, all the ones you mention, in fact. I have the impression he more often deals with people who've been deeply involved with the TMO, but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't also have clients who have been deeply involved with people who were deeply involved, even if they themselves weren't directly involved with the TMO. Because she wishes she and her friends hadn't started TM she needs counseling? So whenever a person seems upset about something they should seek mental health help? For example,it is very clear that you are distraught about what you call Turq and Vaj's lies here. Would it be reasonable for one of us to respond to the content of any of your posts by suggesting that you seek medical help for this problem. This point is key. You have expressed that it is part of your sense of fairness that causes you to react the way you do to their writing. Perhaps is it also Ruth's sense of fairness at play and she may not be suffering from a psychological condition so severe that she would need professional care for it. She mentions she wishes she had never started and doesn't tell us why. Wishes her friends hadn't become unable to support themselves and ended up begging money from their friends causing the conflicted feelings when you care about someone who is shaking you down instead of working. She is upset that some of her friends took pseudo scientific advice for chronic diseases and I'm guessing that this is because they didn't work. Then she states basically our society's consensus belief that specific religions not be taught in schools. These are all legitimate reasons to be as you spin it distraught and I would term it, normally pissed off for good reason. Except for the last, I agree. Did I suggest anywhere that they weren't legitimate reasons to be distraught? I think the question of their legitimacy is important. It is the unmanageable reactions to legitimate issues and strong reactions to illegitimate issues that send people to a mental health professional. It is important to understand how you are separating your reactions to things people write here, and hers. For the last one I should have added the word public. The physiological demonetization of people who challenge this teaching is a bit of a trend with you lately. Ruth is clearly hurting. How is it physiological demonetization (did you mean psychological demonization?) Yes, my fingers got to dancing a bit there. to make that observation and to suggest appropriate counseling? Given what Ruth has been through with her husband and her friends, it wouldn't be normal for her *not* to be hurting. I don't get the same intensity from the phrases I wish but this is a personal opinion. In any case the question is whether there is evidence for a pathological level of hurt that goes beyond our normal ups and downs of life and requires professional help. I believe that you are either using a double standard for people who disagree with the Maharishi thing and yourself, or that this is all bullshittery to cover up a simple FFL FU comment to someone who does not share your beliefs. I don't know whether Ruth is having trouble dealing with her pain. Right, so the suggestion was premature and given your posting relationship context more likely to be a putdown than a friendly suggestion, right? If she isn't, more power to her. But if she is, counseling would be a very positive, healthy step. So every time someone expresses displeasure here about anything in life we should all , as caring members of FFL, suggest that they get professional help for their problem just in case? I'm a veteran of counseling myself. It was pre-TM, but I know how life can grind you down to the point where it becomes overwhelming. Smoke. Ruth likes John. John has had a lot of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
So we don't get all confused here, Curtis, let's be very clear at the outset that Ruth has said she's not having emotional difficulties, and I'm taking her word for it. What you and I are discussing below is a sort of retrospective look at my original suggestion, before Ruth had weighed in. Understood? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I'm getting a very disingenuous vibe here Judy. None of the issues Ruth mentioned as concerns have anything to do with John's practice. Oh, they certainly do, all the ones you mention, in fact. I have the impression he more often deals with people who've been deeply involved with the TMO, but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't also have clients who have been deeply involved with people who were deeply involved, even if they themselves weren't directly involved with the TMO. Because she wishes she and her friends hadn't started TM she needs counseling? So whenever a person seems upset about something they should seek mental health help? No, Curtis, only if they're having serious difficulties dealing with their upset. (I'm pretty sure you could have figured this out instead of erecting a straw man to knock down.) To reiterate what I said elsewhere, what happened when I read that particular lament of Ruth's is that I had what felt like an intuitive flash that her upset was beginning to be overwhelming to her. She denies this; fine, I'll take her word for it and be relieved that it isn't. For example,it is very clear that you are distraught about what you call Turq and Vaj's lies here. Would it be reasonable for one of us to respond to the content of any of your posts by suggesting that you seek medical help for this problem. Sure, if that's what you really thought. (Not medical, BTW, psychological. But medical makes it sound so much more extreme, doesn't it?) By the same token, if I were to respond that I'm not distraught (which I would, because I'm not), presumably you'd take me at my word, just as I've taken Ruth at her word, right? This point is key. You have expressed that it is part of your sense of fairness that causes you to react the way you do to their writing. Perhaps is it also Ruth's sense of fairness at play and she may not be suffering from a psychological condition so severe that she would need professional care for it. Perhaps. But what I got was more serious upset. Otherwise, I wouldn't have suggested, you know, that she get counseling. snip These are all legitimate reasons to be as you spin it distraught and I would term it, normally pissed off for good reason. Except for the last, I agree. Did I suggest anywhere that they weren't legitimate reasons to be distraught? I think the question of their legitimacy is important. My answer: They're perfectly legitimate. (I went on to reiterate this, so your question had already been answered. By Did I suggest anywhere, I was pointing out that you were reading something into what I said to Ruth that wasn't there at all.) snip Given what Ruth has been through with her husband and her friends, it wouldn't be normal for her *not* to be hurting. I don't get the same intensity from the phrases I wish but this is a personal opinion. In my case, as I said, it was a strong flash of what felt like intuition, something beyond the words. In any case the question is whether there is evidence for a pathological level of hurt that goes beyond our normal ups and downs of life and requires professional help. I believe that you are either using a double standard for people who disagree with the Maharishi thing and yourself, or that this is all bullshittery to cover up a simple FFL FU comment to someone who does not share your beliefs. I've told you what it actually was, but you can believe whatever you wish. I don't know whether Ruth is having trouble dealing with her pain. Right, so the suggestion was premature and given your posting relationship context more likely to be a putdown than a friendly suggestion, right? You're welcome to calculate your own probabilities. I told you what the suggestion was based on. If she isn't, more power to her. But if she is, counseling would be a very positive, healthy step. So every time someone expresses displeasure here about anything in life we should all , as caring members of FFL, suggest that they get professional help for their problem just in case? Straw man, as I pointed out above. I'm a veteran of counseling myself. It was pre-TM, but I know how life can grind you down to the point where it becomes overwhelming. Smoke. Ruth likes John. John has had a lot of experience with people who are experiencing anger and sadness that they
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: So whenever a person seems upset about something they should seek mental health help? No, Curtis, only if they're having serious difficulties dealing with their upset. (I'm pretty sure you could have figured this out instead of erecting a straw man to knock down.) To reiterate what I said elsewhere, what happened when I read that particular lament of Ruth's is that I had what felt like an intuitive flash that her upset was beginning to be overwhelming to her. She denies this; fine, I'll take her word for it and be relieved that it isn't. I know that this is atypical of me, but I am finding myself genuinely concerned about Judy. As I read these latest laments of hers what I find myself feeling is an intuitive flash that some internal upset is beginning to be over- whelming for her. Others may not notice, and may believe that this is just normal Judy, but what I'm getting is a more serious distress. It's such a strong flash, something that feels to me like intuition, something beyond the words. Otherwise, I would not suggest, as I am about to, that she seek medical help. This thing I'm feeling is more than testiness. It's a more significant distress, something that seems to be building up in her and creating a state of blockage that may, I fear, overwhelm her completely and cause permanent damage. Therefore I beseech Judy to trust this intuition on my part and consult medical professionals with great haste. They have treatments that may help, and I hope that she takes advantage of them before this buildup becomes so intense that it can no longer be contained. I believe that the treatments are called colonics. Four or five good ones and this buildup within her may yet be averted before it explodes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: So we don't get all confused here, Curtis, let's be very clear at the outset that Ruth has said she's not having emotional difficulties, and I'm taking her word for it. What you and I are discussing below is a sort of retrospective look at my original suggestion, before Ruth had weighed in. Understood? Crystal clear. You're freakin' hysterical Judy!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: I'm very glad to hear that. Really?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip Something good is happening. I never doubted Vaj was a fraud. He certainly didn't sound like he knew anything AT ALL about TM. Worse yet, he claimed he was a TM teacher but failed to produce a shred of evidence. Think what you like about his points, this challenge is absurd if he wants to keep his name off this forum. Oh, he could produce some evidence that couldn't be linked to his name, like which TTC he attended and the names of those who ran it, or helped MMY run it. (Of course, he could get such information from someone who actually was there even if he wasn't, but at least it would be *something*.) Agreed. I think he is jerking your chain a bit by withholding it. . . . There's a reason why Vaj is the only person on FFL claiming to have been a TM teacher whose credentials have been seriously challenged. I may not have followed enough of this closely enough to really get your point. You may have a better case than I know about. Personally, I think it's fascinating that the SAME people who were claiming that me asking enlightened_dawn11 to provide a little proof that she had ever learned TM or the siddhis are now piling on to Raunchydog's demand for Vaj to do the same thing. :-) :-) :-) It's only invasive and an attack and harrassment if an anti-TMer does it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: what is funny now is the absolute contortions the TM bashers are working themselves into, to refute and negate this massive concert that will be held by some of the world's most famous musicians. snip i think this concert is so beneficial to reinvigorating the message of TM, and introducing a new generation to it. it is something nobody expected, least of all those who run the TMO. just shows the silent power of the Maharishi, Guru Dev and all of those who practice this technique. compared to all of that, these few hysterical TM critics come across as less and less effective every day. I have been puzzling over the concert and certainly see how it has reinvigorated hard core TM'ers. Much more interesting is, as ed11 says, how it has reinvogorated the TM critics. They haven't been so distraught in a long while. Ahem. You will have posted out before Monday. So, at their current rate, will Nabby and sparaig and the other compulsive TM apologists. Whereas we critics will still be here discussing more important things, like music and appreciating life. Which strikes you as more distraught? :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: Except its not underfunded. The TMO takes care of the teraining of hte kids and the teachers. PLEASE stop saying this. It isn't true and you know it. The TMO is not putting a PENNY of its own money on the line. Not only that, it's MAKING money on every student instructed. Same as it ever was. The TMO strategy is to get OTHER PEOPLE to pay IT for saving the world. Stop perpetuating something that even YOU know is a lie, Lawson.
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On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:57 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Personally, I think it's fascinating that the SAME people who were claiming that me asking enlightened_dawn11 to provide a little proof that she had ever learned TM or the siddhis are now piling on to Raunchydog's demand for Vaj to do the same thing. :-) :-) :-) It's only invasive and an attack and harrassment if an anti-TMer does it. Another hallmark of rabid conservatism: hypocrisy. Do as I say, not as I do. Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: what is funny now is the absolute contortions the TM bashers are working themselves into, to refute and negate this massive concert that will be held by some of the world's most famous musicians. snip i think this concert is so beneficial to reinvigorating the message of TM, and introducing a new generation to it. it is something nobody expected, least of all those who run the TMO. just shows the silent power of the Maharishi, Guru Dev and all of those who practice this technique. compared to all of that, these few hysterical TM critics come across as less and less effective every day. I have been puzzling over the concert and certainly see how it has reinvigorated hard core TM'ers. Much more interesting is, as ed11 says, how it has reinvogorated the TM critics. They haven't been so distraught in a long while. Meltdown alert! Hysterics can be vicious as they flail about just before their final fizzle. It never ends well. http://tinyurl.com/3sbc66 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfV_ENR5IZE HeHe, very funny :-)
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to talk of it isn't true and you know- who can be said to be making money? a non-profit org? A non-profit does not destroy itself to fund its current programs.Bevan's salary is known through public disclosure -it a very small amount. I have seen the salaries of other head of non-profits- its nothing by comparison. Its a complete falsehood to speak of making money . The result of the David Lynch Foundation can be seen in 100,000 students currently meditating in GROUPS in the program. So to YOU PLEASE stop saying this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Except its not underfunded. The TMO takes care of the teraining of hte kids and the teachers. PLEASE stop saying this. It isn't true and you know it. The TMO is not putting a PENNY of its own money on the line. Not only that, it's MAKING money on every student instructed. Same as it ever was. The TMO strategy is to get OTHER PEOPLE to pay IT for saving the world. Stop perpetuating something that even YOU know is a lie, Lawson.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip Personally, I think it's fascinating that the SAME people who were claiming that me asking enlightened_dawn11 to provide a little proof that she had ever learned TM or the siddhis are now piling on to Raunchydog's demand for Vaj to do the same thing. :-) :-) :-) Notice that Barry is having a little trouble with his sentence structure here. What exactly were these people claiming before they piled on? That part of the sentence seems to have gotten detached and put in the next sentence. Oopsie. It's only invasive and an attack and harrassment if an anti-TMer does it. No, it's only invasive and an attack and hartassment [sic] if there's no good reason for it. (And I wasn't piling on to Raunchy's demand; I was explaining to Curtis why it was reasonable to wonder if Vaj had ever been a TM teacher, and how he could provide some evidence without revealing his name if he wanted to ensure vicious TMers wouldn't be able to hunt him down.) And BTW, if Barry is so sure ed11 is Jim, why is he asking for proof of her TMer credentials? He never asked Jim. Double-oopsie. Oh, my, and the other day Barry made it crystal clear the term anti-TMer was a deadly insult-- and here he's using it to describe himself! Triple-oopsie. Could Barry be a little...distraught? Maybe the success of the concert and Barry's interest in McCartney's songwriting prowess has reminded him of this song: Dear Sir or Madam, will you read my book? It took me years to write, will you take a look? It's based on a novel by a man named Lear And I need a job, so I want to be a paperback writer Paperback writer It's the dirty story of a dirty man And his clinging wife doesn't understand His son is working for the Daily Mail It's a steady job but he wants to be a paperback writer Paperback writer Paperback writer It's a thousand pages, give or take a few I'll be writing more in a week or two I can make it longer if you like the style I can change it round and I want to be a paperback writer Paperback writer If you really like it, you can have the rights It could make a million for you overnight If you must return it, you can send it here But I need a break and I want to be a paperback writer Paperback writer Paperback writer Paperback writer, paperback writer Paperback writer, paperback writer Paperback writer, paperback writer ... © SONY/ATV TUNES LLC© SONY BEATLES LTD Lyrics provided by Gracenote
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip It's only invasive and an attack and harrassment if an anti-TMer does it. No, it's only invasive and an attack and hartassment [sic] if there's no good reason for it. My oopsie: hartassment isn't [sic], harrassment is [sic].
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:57 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Personally, I think it's fascinating that the SAME people who were claiming that me asking enlightened_dawn11 to provide a little proof that she had ever learned TM or the siddhis are now piling on to Raunchydog's demand for Vaj to do the same thing. :-) :-) :-) It's only invasive and an attack and harrassment if an anti-TMer does it. Another hallmark of rabid conservatism: hypocrisy. Do as I say, not as I do. Good grief, Sal, don't you ever tire of getting caught on the wrong end of Barry's little scams? You aren't smart enough to see 'em coming, so you're a lot better off not chiming in and making yourself look gullible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: I wish I had started at the start of my senior year in HS instead of a few months after the end. And I wish I had never started and my friends never started. I wish my friends had never become parusha or siddhas and lived lives sucking resources from others. I wish that they didn't take enemas and weird supplements to cure chronic disease. School is not for spiritual development. Meditate after school. Sit in silence after school. Pray after school. You sound like maybe you're a candidate for John Knapp's counseling services, Ruth. I'm serious; that's not snark. You seem genuinely distraught. He apparently does counseling over the phone, BTW. I'm getting a very disingenuous vibe here Judy. None of the issues Ruth mentioned as concerns have anything to do with John's practice. She mentions she wishes she had never started and doesn't tell us why. Wishes her friends hadn't become unable to support themselves and ended up begging money from their friends causing the conflicted feelings when you care about someone who is shaking you down instead of working. She is upset that some of her friends took pseudo scientific advice for chronic diseases and I'm guessing that this is because they didn't work. Then she states basically our society's consensus belief that specific religions not be taught in schools. These are all legitimate reasons to be as you spin it distraught and I would term it, normally pissed off for good reason. The physiological demonetization of people who challenge this teaching is a bit of a trend with you lately. When I expressed my experience that Maharishi ignored his followers, you claimed I have repressed resentment coloring my thinking. Ruth makes a list of things how the movement involvement has hurt her friendships and you kindly advise her to get a check up from the neck up. Do you really need to resort to this tactic? You have plenty of legitimate challenges to both of our POVs here. How about knocking off the sophist's trick of making is seem as if the person who has issues with the teaching are caused by a physiological condition instead of dealing with the issues brought up. You have plenty of emotion that you express in your positions here. Neither of us are summing up your objections as stemming from a psychological problem you have. Is it too much to ask for this courtesy in return?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Except its not underfunded. The TMO takes care of the teraining of hte kids and the teachers. PLEASE stop saying this. Funny, I don't recall Lawson having said anything before that could be interpreted to mean he thinks TM is paying. In fact, in a recent post, he said, The entire thing is funded by the DLF. Perhaps Barry meant to write Please DON'T say this? I mean, we know he's having quite a struggle today to express himself clearly. It isn't true and you know it. The TMO is not putting a PENNY of its own money on the line. Reasonable people who weren't looking for an excuse to put down a TMer would assume, given the givens, that Lawson didn't intend to suggest the TMO was funding it, that he meant something else entirely. I'm not sure exactly what he *did* mean, but one could always ask before activating one's peashooter (not to mention falsely suggesting Lawson had previously said what one is shooting at when he hadn't). Stop perpetuating something that even YOU know is a lie, Lawson. Oh, my, I guess Barry didn't mean DON'T say this. He *did* mean to suggest (knowingly falsely) that Lawson had been saying it all along. So much for giving Barry the benefit of the doubt.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Except its not underfunded. The TMO takes care of the teraining of hte kids and the teachers. PLEASE stop saying this. Funny, I don't recall Lawson having said anything before that could be interpreted to mean he thinks TM is paying. In fact, in a recent post, he said, The entire thing is funded by the DLF. This was all based on his misunderstanding of my statement that our schools are underfunded. I didn't know why he went off on this tangent in the first place. Perhaps Barry meant to write Please DON'T say this? I mean, we know he's having quite a struggle today to express himself clearly. It isn't true and you know it. The TMO is not putting a PENNY of its own money on the line. Reasonable people who weren't looking for an excuse to put down a TMer would assume, given the givens, that Lawson didn't intend to suggest the TMO was funding it, that he meant something else entirely. I'm not sure exactly what he *did* mean, but one could always ask before activating one's peashooter (not to mention falsely suggesting Lawson had previously said what one is shooting at when he hadn't). Stop perpetuating something that even YOU know is a lie, Lawson. Oh, my, I guess Barry didn't mean DON'T say this. He *did* mean to suggest (knowingly falsely) that Lawson had been saying it all along. So much for giving Barry the benefit of the doubt.
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On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:27 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: You have plenty of emotion that you express in your positions here. Neither of us are summing up your objections as stemming from a psychological problem you have. Is it too much to ask for this courtesy in return? In Judy's case, yes. That's apparently the only way she wants to deal with legitimate objections-- villify the messenger--read their minds--use manipulation and fake concern instead of responding rationally. And then she accuses others of being distraught. Which is why I don't deal with her any more...there's no honor amongst thieves, or, it would seem, manipulators and phonies. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: I wish I had started at the start of my senior year in HS instead of a few months after the end. And I wish I had never started and my friends never started. I wish my friends had never become parusha or siddhas and lived lives sucking resources from others. I wish that they didn't take enemas and weird supplements to cure chronic disease. School is not for spiritual development. Meditate after school. Sit in silence after school. Pray after school. You sound like maybe you're a candidate for John Knapp's counseling services, Ruth. I'm serious; that's not snark. You seem genuinely distraught. He apparently does counseling over the phone, BTW. I'm getting a very disingenuous vibe here Judy. None of the issues Ruth mentioned as concerns have anything to do with John's practice. She mentions she wishes she had never started and doesn't tell us why. Wishes her friends hadn't become unable to support themselves and ended up begging money from their friends causing the conflicted feelings when you care about someone who is shaking you down instead of working. She is upset that some of her friends took pseudo scientific advice for chronic diseases and I'm guessing that this is because they didn't work. Then she states basically our society's consensus belief that specific religions not be taught in schools. These are all legitimate reasons to be as you spin it distraught and I would term it, normally pissed off for good reason. The physiological demonetization of people who challenge this teaching is a bit of a trend with you lately. When I expressed my experience that Maharishi ignored his followers, you claimed I have repressed resentment coloring my thinking. Ruth makes a list of things how the movement involvement has hurt her friendships and you kindly advise her to get a check up from the neck up. Do you really need to resort to this tactic? You have plenty of legitimate challenges to both of our POVs here. How about knocking off the sophist's trick of making is seem as if the person who has issues with the teaching are caused by a physiological condition instead of dealing with the issues brought up. You have plenty of emotion that you express in your positions here. Neither of us are summing up your objections as stemming from a psychological problem you have. Is it too much to ask for this courtesy in return? While, as always, I bow to Curtis' ability to see the best in people, and speak to them or about them as if they were rational human beings and not pre-programmed automatons, I will respond *as I see it*, to Judy, as one of the premiere examples on this forum of a pre-programmed automaton. Judy's ENTIRE position can be summed up in her own words below: Trusting your experience is fine. Having an aha moment in which you know you don't believe is fine. What's *not* fine, IMHO, is including in that aha moment of knowledge about your own lack of belief the knowledge that other people are feeding off of each other's hysteria. That's just a way to make yourself feel better about your inability to have good results. There is a phrase to describe this position. It is called Blame the victim. Ruth's problem -- her failure -- is that she was incapable of having good results. Whereas Judy was. And as all of the TBs she so egomaniacally seeks to represent supposedly were capable of having. The issue here is ELITISM, pure and simple. Judy and those who believe as she does are the elite. They were evolved enough to appreciate the great gifts that Maharishi sold them and capable of having good results. Ruth, ignoramus and incapable as she is, was not. THAT is the message that Judy is trying to convey. Curtis is being easy on the bitch. I have no such reservations. Judy's ENTIRE position is that anyone who does not agree with her as to 1) what Maharishi really meant when he said things, 2) what his message really was, 3) what the benefit of that message was, and 4) pretty much anything else she has an opinion on is a LOSER. They are somehow LESS than she is, incapable of seeing how profound the things she believes are pro- found really are. Curtis is being *kind* to Judy here, treating her as if there is still a human being in there somewhere that could possibly respond to being treated like one. I see no such human being. I see only an automaton, one who repeats ( almost verbatim, like the uncreative parrot she is ) The Things She's Been Told Are Truth. In Judy's defense, I think she really DOES believe that these things ARE Truth. But
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
On Apr 5, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:27 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: You have plenty of emotion that you express in your positions here. Neither of us are summing up your objections as stemming from a psychological problem you have. Is it too much to ask for this courtesy in return? In Judy's case, yes. That's apparently the only way she wants to deal with legitimate objections-- villify the messenger--read their minds--use manipulation and fake concern instead of responding rationally. And then she accuses others of being distraught. Which is why I don't deal with her any more...there's no honor amongst thieves, or, it would seem, manipulators and phonies. Yes, you're right, these have been common tactics in the past--all part and parcel of her overall dishonest approach. Another fave, and if I'm grokking tidbits in others clippings correctly, is when nailed on something or particularly when some TM dogmatic point she's VERY attached to is rent asunder, rather than addressing the actual intellectual or factual elements of the argument, she'll switch to some unrelated element in the person: they don't understand stand TM (as when they no longer use TM speak), their counseling practice, faulty TM practice, etc. The varieties seem endless, but the pattern is observable and repeated. It's interesting the person who seems so fond of telling people they are guilty of non sequiturs is actually the one who tries to craftily use them herself. Apparently misdirection must be the only way she can respond when arguments stray outside of TB/SCI/TM milieu. Sometimes it's better to just shuddup. Of course she could have some strange vitamin deficiency related to shoe leather. ;-)
