[Finale] System Divider only in score

[Michael Lawlor]

Fin 2014.5

I have created a system divider, //, in a score but it shows up in the 
parts.  If I delete it from the parts, it gets deleted in the score.  
How do I define the system divider for the score but not the parts?


Michael Lawlor

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Re: [Finale] Mixed Staff Styles

[Michael Crutcher]

Is there a way to mix rhythmic slashes with notes in the same staff? I'm
doing a bit of a sketch score type of situation, with guitar chords on
Layer 1 and bass notes on Layer 2. Is there any way to set Layer 2 to do
Normal Notation while still leaving Layer 1 to be Rhythmic Notation?

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[Finale] Musical symbols for text

[Michael Lawlor]

Does anyone know any good fonts for musical symbols that work well in 
text (Word documents) without being completely the wrong size or being 
positioned incorrectly or taking up too much vertical space?


Regards,

Michael Lawlor

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Re: [Finale] OT: Vocal Underlay of "Mrs.:

[Michael Edwards]

[ Robert Patterson: ]


FWIW (joking aside) my copy of Merriam Webster correctly identifies
"missus" as dialect in one of the definitions, and I would rather 
avoid

that implication.


 In that case, how would "Mr  -  s." go?  But that might cause the 
singer to start pronouncing "Mister" - although surely as they got to 
know the line they would realize it's not that, so it shouldn't be an 
issue.  (Nothing seems truly satisfactory.)  Maybe "mis-sus" or 
"miss-us" in parentheses underneath the "Mr  -  s." would look like a 
pronunciation guide rather than dialect.
 Or, alternatively, "Mrs.  -" (the hyphen acting as a syllable 
extension and going under the second note).  That wouldn't need the 
pronunciation guide underneath in parentheses.


Michael Edwards.


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[Finale] Fwd: Re: Tuplets across barlines

[Michael Lawlor]

I only have Patterson Plug-Ins Lite, which only deals with beaming 
across barlines.  Do I need another version?


Michael

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Subject:Re: [Finale] Tuplets across barlines
Date:   Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:45:52 +0200
From:   Barbara Touburg 
To: Michael Lawlor 



On 14-8-2019 14:42, Michael Lawlor wrote:

Finale 2014

Does anyone know a way to create tuplets grouped across barlines other 
than breaking the tuplet into two, one in each bar?


Patterson plugins!

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[Finale] Tuplets across barlines

[Michael Lawlor]

Finale 2014

Does anyone know a way to create tuplets grouped across barlines other 
than breaking the tuplet into two, one in each bar?


Regards,

Michael Lawlor

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[Finale] ISO B paper sizes

[Michael Lawlor]

I have created a B4 score in Finale by selecting the only B4 size 
available.  When trying to print this to PDF, I got a message indicating 
the paper sizes do not match.  I have worked out that Finale is using 
JIS standard instead of ISO.  I have fixed this by changing to custom 
page size, but wonder why this "omission" has occurred and why ISO and 
JIS are not both included in standard definitions, or ISO preferred over 
JIS.


Is there a way to save a custom page size so I do not have to set it up 
each time?


Michael Lawlor

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Re: [Finale] Parts to pdf

[Michael Wittenburg]

>From my time at Sarasota Opera, we used CutePDF as it was our IT chief's 
>favorite.  We even had the pro version which gives you a lot of PDF editing 
>power, and I went and sprung for it, myself, later. But the basic is a simple 
>print-to-pdf and it is free, NOT shareware with ads.

Michael Wittenburg


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Re: [Finale] No success sending PDFs to Australia

[Michael Wittenburg]

Raymond,

That sounds like an email client problem. I found out that AOL.COM years ago 
was stripping out all my attachments, or worse, not even bothering to send 
emails with my attachment, which was my resume! I can't even imagine how many 
jobs I never even really applied for due to that...

Anyway, I have good luck with gmail, but if it's being weird, try Outlook.com 
or another mail service?

It also might be THEIR email client that is stripping the pdf away, since I 
find gmail pretty reliable, and I see that's your email service. You might try 
uploading to Dropbox and then sending them the link to share. You can also do 
this on Google Drive. On either, there should be a menu that has "share" as an 
option and that's where you put in their email to add them as an authorized 
viewer.

Good luck!
Michael


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Re: [Finale] Opera Score Order

[Michael Wittenburg]

Yes, this makes sense; that way, when you have an ensemble of singers they are 
stacked in a similar order to the hypothetical chorus. I just did Verdi Requiem 
and that's how the soloists are stacked in that score, mirroring the chorus 
setup.

I can also say from my experience with something like the sextet from Lucia 
that the soloists are all stacked in SATB style.

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Re: [Finale] Limited Instruments in ScoreManager

[Michael Mathew]

I just confirmed that for myself. I neglected to associate bongo drum with the 
generic drum! "Mi dispiace."
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http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ 

On Thursday, April 18, 2019, 3:02:53 AM PDT, David H. Bailey 
 wrote:  
 
 On 4/18/2019 3:03 AM, Giovanni Andreani wrote:
> It looks like there’s no preset instrument for Bongos. Am I missing something?

It's there in the Drums section -- Bongo Drums.  It shows up if you 
select "Common" or "All" or "World" in the left-hand column and then 
select "Drums" in the middle column.

At least that's what happens on Fin25/Windows.


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Re: [Finale] Limited Instruments in ScoreManager

[Michael Mathew]

All I could find were bongo bells in a couple of places. I am sure you had the 
same luck.
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On Thursday, April 18, 2019, 12:03:53 AM PDT, Giovanni Andreani 
 wrote:  
 
 It looks like there’s no preset instrument for Bongos. Am I missing something?




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Re: [Finale] Collision of Noteheads

[Michael Lawlor]

The notes are semibreves, so there is no stem.

On 20/03/2019 12:37, Christopher Smith wrote:

If I understand correctly, your noteheads will be F G G A. There is no way to 
get those on one stem without collisions. I suggest a split stem (Special 
Tools).

Christopher


On Mar 20, 2019, at 6:46 AM, Michael Lawlor  wrote:

Finale 2014.5

I have entered pitches in a chord: F 1/4 sharp, G 1/6 flat, A flat, B double-flat.  I wish the A flat to be G sharp and 
the B double-flat to be A natural.  However, in my first step of changing B double-flat to A natural, the note head 
collides with the G 1/6 flat below it.  I have checked "Music Spacing" "Avoid Collision Of" 
"Unisons" "All noteheads" but it will not solve the problem.  I have tried changing the A flat to G 
sharp but that creates a real mess at the moment.  Is there another parameter that needs setting to avoid collisions?

Regards,

Michael Lawlor

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[Finale] Collision of Noteheads

[Michael Lawlor]

Finale 2014.5

I have entered pitches in a chord: F 1/4 sharp, G 1/6 flat, A flat, B 
double-flat.  I wish the A flat to be G sharp and the B double-flat to 
be A natural.  However, in my first step of changing B double-flat to A 
natural, the note head collides with the G 1/6 flat below it.  I have 
checked "Music Spacing" "Avoid Collision Of" "Unisons" "All noteheads" 
but it will not solve the problem.  I have tried changing the A flat to 
G sharp but that creates a real mess at the moment.  Is there another 
parameter that needs setting to avoid collisions?


Regards,

Michael Lawlor

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Re: [Finale] Cannot hide time signature, cannot change stave name

[Michael Meyer]

Problem two:

I believe you just need to un-check “Auto-Number” style in Score Manager for 
each instrument that you don’t want the appended number.

— Mike

> On Mar 6, 2019, at 1:13 PM, Michael Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> [Finale 2014.5]
> 
> This is something I have done before with no problems, but just cannot figure 
> it out at the moment.  I have created an exercise in semibreves (whole notes) 
> and do not want a time signature to appear.  I edit staff attributes and 
> untick time signature in items to display but it has no effect on the time 
> signature of the first stave.  I have done this for all the staves and it 
> works, except for the first one.  I have tried switching it back on and off 
> again and it has no effect; I have created a new staff, named it, hidden the 
> time signature and entered the notes of the first stave from scratch (not 
> copy-paste).  This works until I delete the original, offending stave and the 
> time signature appears on the first stave again.
> 
> Problem two
> 
> In this same exercise, I set it up just choosing four of the same 
> instruments.  Finale appends numbers after the duplicate staff names, but 
> when I try to change the staff names (using edit full staff name ...), they 
> change except for the sequence number.  In score manager, I can see the 
> correct staff name in the "full name" in the panel at the bottom for the 
> selected staff but the one with the sequence number in the instrument list at 
> the top.
> 
> What have I missed?
> 
> Thanks in advance of a solution.
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[Finale] Cannot hide time signature, cannot change stave name

[Michael Lawlor]

[Finale 2014.5]

This is something I have done before with no problems, but just cannot 
figure it out at the moment.  I have created an exercise in semibreves 
(whole notes) and do not want a time signature to appear.  I edit staff 
attributes and untick time signature in items to display but it has no 
effect on the time signature of the first stave.  I have done this for 
all the staves and it works, except for the first one.  I have tried 
switching it back on and off again and it has no effect; I have created 
a new staff, named it, hidden the time signature and entered the notes 
of the first stave from scratch (not copy-paste).  This works until I 
delete the original, offending stave and the time signature appears on 
the first stave again.


Problem two

In this same exercise, I set it up just choosing four of the same 
instruments.  Finale appends numbers after the duplicate staff names, 
but when I try to change the staff names (using edit full staff name 
...), they change except for the sequence number.  In score manager, I 
can see the correct staff name in the "full name" in the panel at the 
bottom for the selected staff but the one with the sequence number in 
the instrument list at the top.


What have I missed?

Thanks in advance of a solution.

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Re: [Finale] Enharmonic key signature?

[Michael Meyer]

Got it — I did try it as a new staff style, so I could still use JD’s solution 
but apply it only to that part of the score that was in E Major. Thanks again 
for the help!

— Mike

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 2:20 PM, Michael Meyer  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, JD — that worked! Unfortunately, though, the E Major section is later 
> in the piece, and these settings caused earlier key signatures to display 
> double-flats and all sorts of nonsense! Do you (or does anyone else) know if 
> I can change it for just this E Major section? I think that’s something I can 
> do with a staff style, but I tend to be really bad at staff styles.
> 
> — Mike
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 12:38 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
>> 
>> I got this to work correctly, but it’s way convoluted.  In the staff 
>> transposition dialog, from Score Manager, change the staff transposition to 
>> Other, uncheck Simplify Key, put 9 in the interval field and -10 in the key 
>> alter field.  Leave it in treble obviously.
>> 
>> I did this just now in Finale 25 and I got the proper transposition.  In 
>> reading the online manual for this dialog, the part pertaining to the 
>> interval and key alter, I got a headache.  So I had another cup of coffee 
>> and moved on.  Whew!!  This should be easier (and maybe it is).
>> 
>> ***
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>> ThomaStudios
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Michael Meyer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all —
>>> 
>>> I thought I knew how to do this, but it’s not working. FinMac26.
>>> 
>>> Concert key is E Major. Have a tenor sax part that displays F# Major, but I 
>>> need it to display Gb Major instead.
>>> 
>>> I thought I did this in ScoreManager for the instrument’s Transposition, 
>>> either by checking or un-checking the box for “Simplify Key” — but doing 
>>> that hasn’t changed the displayed key signature from F# Major.
>>> 
>>> Am I doing it wrong? Is it actually something/somewhere else?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> 
>>> — Mike
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Re: [Finale] Enharmonic key signature?

[Michael Meyer]

Thanks, JD — that worked! Unfortunately, though, the E Major section is later 
in the piece, and these settings caused earlier key signatures to display 
double-flats and all sorts of nonsense! Do you (or does anyone else) know if I 
can change it for just this E Major section? I think that’s something I can do 
with a staff style, but I tend to be really bad at staff styles.

— Mike

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 12:38 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
> 
> I got this to work correctly, but it’s way convoluted.  In the staff 
> transposition dialog, from Score Manager, change the staff transposition to 
> Other, uncheck Simplify Key, put 9 in the interval field and -10 in the key 
> alter field.  Leave it in treble obviously.
> 
> I did this just now in Finale 25 and I got the proper transposition.  In 
> reading the online manual for this dialog, the part pertaining to the 
> interval and key alter, I got a headache.  So I had another cup of coffee and 
> moved on.  Whew!!  This should be easier (and maybe it is).
> 
> ***
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Michael Meyer  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all —
>> 
>> I thought I knew how to do this, but it’s not working. FinMac26.
>> 
>> Concert key is E Major. Have a tenor sax part that displays F# Major, but I 
>> need it to display Gb Major instead.
>> 
>> I thought I did this in ScoreManager for the instrument’s Transposition, 
>> either by checking or un-checking the box for “Simplify Key” — but doing 
>> that hasn’t changed the displayed key signature from F# Major.
>> 
>> Am I doing it wrong? Is it actually something/somewhere else?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> — Mike
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[Finale] Enharmonic key signature?

[Michael Meyer]

Hi all —

I thought I knew how to do this, but it’s not working. FinMac26.

Concert key is E Major. Have a tenor sax part that displays F# Major, but I 
need it to display Gb Major instead.

I thought I did this in ScoreManager for the instrument’s Transposition, either 
by checking or un-checking the box for “Simplify Key” — but doing that hasn’t 
changed the displayed key signature from F# Major.

Am I doing it wrong? Is it actually something/somewhere else?

Thanks for any help.

— Mike
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Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

[Michael Meyer]

Many thanks for taking the time to give us these explanations, Craig. And
to you, Robert, for your answer to my question as well.

— Mike

On January 26, 2019 at 5:01:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee (cr...@parmerlee.com)
wrote:

> Here are some observations about each of the plug-in examples.  Let me
> stipulate that the Finale plug-ins might provide some unusual visual
> results that aren't directly matched by Dorico, so I am not claiming
> equivalence on any of these.
>
> 1. Copy arbitrary material regardless of barlines, etc.  This is
> inherent in Dorico, and I think you would find this far more productive
> in Dorico.  Dorico does not provide any drag-and-drop, but the cut and
> paste model is extremely powerful.  It even allows 1-to-many pasting,
> and pasting to discontinuous staffs and so on.  Also there is a very
> powerful capability where you can select any material, press "R" and it
> automatically duplicates the material placing it immediately to the
> right of the selection, which still expressing everything correctly with
> no touch-up required.
>
> 2. Mass relink.  This is inherent in Dorico.  Moreover, Dorico seems to
> make better assumptions about when to automatically reflect score
> changes in parts and vice versa.
>
> 3. Autocreate MM rests.  This is always automatic.  You never "create"
> any MM rests.  It is inherent. There are some options for visual
> appearance.
>
> 4. Multiple sets of not spacings.  I am not aware of anything line this
> in Dorico.  Of course you can edit the parts directly to apply any
> spacing you need.
>
> 5. Designate certain text as titles. There is only "text" and "system
> text" in Dorico.  There is no hierarchy of text objects, such as an
> outline mode in a word processor.  However, you have a great deal of
> control over the formatting of any text object and you can freely copy
> and reuse any of your text items.  So if you have a text object
> formatted as a "title", you can copy that anywhere else you need a
> similar title to appear.  Moreover, Dorico has a higher level of
> abstraction for these situations.  Your file can consist of multiple
> "flows", which are like movements. And each flow can have a title, with
> options how and when to display those titles.
>
> 6. Mass align hairpins.  There is no mass alignment, but if you have a
> 4-bar passage, you can enter the dynamic as "F" and Dorico will
> enter that dynamic as a group that is all aligned.  And if you copy that
> group to other staves, they will be aligned (taking in to account the
> collisions).  So if you enter it properly, you never need to go back and
> fix it.  Dorico moves the groups around (maintaining the alignment) as
> needed even if the music changes to create a new collision.
>
> 7. Various fixes.  Most of these situations just don't happen in
> Dorico.  And you have complete control over the rhythmic position and
> length of every object, so anything like this is very easy to fix.
>
> 8. Movements.  See 5 above.  it is far more elegant than in Finale.  And
> flows have other uses.  I often keep extra flows in my score as
> scratchpads or two different versions of a harmonization until I am sure
> I have it right.  I just did a big band chart that has a 16-bar a
> cappella fugue in 4 voices.  That was very tedious as I am not a fugue
> person, so I created a separate flow just for those 16 bars.  That
> 16-bar flow was reduced to only 4 players plus a chord playback staff so
> I could get all the counterpoint working.  Once that was right, I coped
> those 16 bars to the main flow and expanded the voices to let that
> section build over the 16 bars.  This is all very straightforward under
> Dorico.  You can certainly do something like that with Finale
> programming a view, but I'd probably put the scratchpad in a completely
> separate MUSX file.  Either way works, but it is much faster in Dorico
> because all of the above is just a few mouse clicks in setup mode.
>
> 9 Transfer page payout.  There is no template capability in Dorico,
> which is a bit of a weakness. However, if you have a score set up the
> way you like it, you can easily copy that and use that as the basis for
> your new project. And you can do that after the fact by exporting your
> flow(s) from one score and importing the flow(s) into the score that has
> the layout your want.  And as far as parts go, Dorico has a "master
> page" structure where you can develop a master page that can be used by
> any number of parts.  This area of Dorico is rather complicated, but
> looks very powerful.  I haven't used it much.
>
> 10.  TG Tools.  No questions on this one.
>
> 11. Proportionately scale staffs.  I don't know about this.  There are
> lots of options in Dorico for this kind of thing, but I don't know that
> any of them do what you want here.
>
> 12. Modeless plug-in problem.  I don't know about that.  There aren't
> any plugins in Dorico.  You can, however, do hot key assignments for any
> of hundreds of 

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

[Michael Meyer]

So Robert, when you say “3rd party plugin” do you mean plugins that others
have made that you’ve procured along the way? Or “3rd party” meaning “not
included in the included Finale plugins” and so you have made all of these
on your own?

Just a question out of curiosity more than anything. Thanks for all of your
descriptions here, this is an amazing discussion! And I would love to hear
how many of these are addressed in Dorico out-of-the-box from someone who
is using it regularly.

— Mike

On January 26, 2019 at 10:04:45 AM, Robert Patterson (
rob...@robertgpatterson.com) wrote:

> Besides the Patterson Beams, TGTools, and JW plugins included in Finale, I
> use 3rd party plugins to
>
> 1. Copy arbitrary combinations and patterns of expressions, dynamics,
> articulations, and other elements in a repeated fashion, independent of
> barlines, both vertically and horizontally.
>
> 2. Mass Relink, which can relink the score to the part's settings or vice
> versa.
>
> 3. Autocreate multimeasure rests with many more options than Finale has,
> including the ability to add extra space for clef changes or force the
> creation of multimeasure rests in places where Finale won't create them.
>
> 4. Maintain multiple sets of note spacing settings per measure region and
> per part. Then a single invocation of the plugin spaces the music according
> to those settings, taking into account the current part. Even better, by
> means of a nifty trick that someone suggested on this list. the plugins can
> get tighter spacing with ledger lines than Finale does.
>
> 5. Designate certain text expressions as titles (i.e., for movement titles)
> or footnotes or headnotes. Then invoke a plugin than finds them in every
> part and correctly positions them. This is *way* better workaround than
> Finale's Page Titles for this kind of thing.
>
> 6. Mass align and move dynamics and hairpins. (TGTools Align/Move is
> included in Finale but the version in the full TGTools is much more
> powerful.)
>
> 7. Quickly repair common screwups in Finale, such as restoring lost note
> spacing from a saved copy or moving expressions and endpoints that have
> lost their notes due to Speedy edits.
>
> 8. With one simple menu click, start a new movement. That is, show full
> names, indent the first system, restart the measure numbers from 1, twiddle
> the measure bits in the current and preceding measure as needed. With one
> menu click that has no dialog box.
>
> 9. Transfer page layout from one document to another and/or one part to
> another and/or within a single document or part. Including (optionally)
> system baselines for expressions and lyrics.
>
> 10. I recently discovered the JW Change plugin that can do so much that I
> have only begun to digest all the ways in which I might use it.
>
> 11. TGTools has an option to proportionally expand or contract the staves
> in a system. This saves me hours, especially on large multistaff scores
> like orchestra scores. Then once you have that system perfectly fitted to
> your margins, you can copy the staff layout to page after page and make
> only minor tweaks thereafter.
>
> 12. Fix the focus problem with modeless plugin windows on Mac (Fin25.4 and
> higher).
>
> There are doubtless many, many others, but those come to mind right now.
>
> When I sit down to work on plugins, I try to think of every pain point in
> using this beast of a program called Finale. Sometimes I note the pain
> points as I work on a piece. Either way, after 20 years of this I am just
> about out of ideas. I've addressed every pain point I can think of that a
> plugin can address. There are a few that are intractable in current Finale,
> but even for those I've tried to develop palliative workarounds. (Like
> using expressions for movement titles.) Sometimes it takes years for me to
> realize a plugin can even do something. Like for years I thought plugins
> could not relink scores and parts, since linkage is not visible to plugins.
> But then I thought of a way that works for most unlinkable items.
>
> If you want to share your pain points, I'll tell you if there is a plugin
> solution I use. Because there probably is. (Other than playback. I don't do
> much with playback.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 6:09 AM Lawrence David Eden 
> wrote:
>
> This is an interesting discussion….I am interested in hearing what 3rd
> party plugins are you referring to, Robert. I am always looking for ways
> to automate Finale.
>
> Larry Eden
>
> On Jan 25, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Robert Patterson <
>
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>
>
> I would be very interested to know more specifics about the things that
>
> are
>
> "well beyond Fin/Sib". Graphically, I know about flexible slurs, and I
> would be curious to know if lines (like 8va) also have multiple
>
> inflection
>
> points.
>
> Beyond that, I would be curious to know what makes Dorico so much more
> superior for part layout.
>
> Do you use any 3rd party plugins with Finale? In 

[Finale] Fwd: Glisses in Finale

[Michael Lawlor]

I was using Aria Player and Garritan, so I have tried switching to 
softsynth but still get no sound with glissandi going directly from one 
note to the next.  It appears to behave if I tie two notes together so 
there is only one gliss. attached to each note, but the sound is not 
very good and only hints at being a glissando (i.e. it starts to gliss 
but does not reach the next note and there is a gap between notes).


Regards,
Michael
 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Glisses in Finale
Date:   Mon, 7 Jan 2019 18:14:10 +
From:   Henry Howey 
To: mjlaw...@virginmedia.com 



Are you using Aria Player and Garritan instruments? If so, glisses will 
eventually degrade the playback. The solution is to save the instrument 
setups and re-install them from time to time.

Henry Howey
Sent from my iWhatever
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[Finale] Playback of glissandi

[Michael Lawlor]

Finale 2014.5

I have just started a work for string quartet that opens with a set of 
six chords, joined together by glissandi.


I entered the notes and listened to the playback and it sounded fine.  I 
used the smart shape tool to add glissandi, but when I tried playback, 
there was no sound.  I deleted the glissandi, tried playback and it 
worked, but the pitches that sounded were all wrong.  I deleted the 
glissandi and tried the pitch bend and then the guitar bend tools.  They 
played back for the first two shifts but not the rest and the pitches 
kept on shifting and I did not like the result, which was very 
disjointed.  I tried the glissando tool again, but there was no sound.


Does anybody know if I am doing something wrong or does it not work?  I 
have tried glissandi in the past with older versions of Finale and they 
worked some of the time but were always problematic.


Regards,

Michael Lawlor

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Re: [Finale] Finale 26 -- Opinions?

[Michael Good]

Hello David and Steve,

Steve’s understanding is correct. The Dolet 7.2 for Finale plug-in is there so 
you can get batch import, batch export, and MusicXML 3.1 support in earlier 
32-bit versions of Finale. All these features are built into 64-bit Finale as 
of v25. Dolet is a 32-bit plug-in, so it won’t show up in either Finale v25 or 
v26.

Best regards,

Michael Good
VP of MusicXML Technologies
MakeMusic, Inc.

> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:31:26 +
> From: "Fiskum, Steve" 
> To: "finale@shsu.edu" 
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 26 -- Opinions?
> Message-ID: <2c37f287-3526-44cf-8dc6-4dacbea82...@jspaluch.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> My understanding is the the plugin is no longer necessary and that it IS 
> built in to the program under the file menu. Look at the FAQ on the music my 
> site. ?As of V25 Finale now includes all the extra features from the filet 
> plug-in directly from the file menu. There is no longer a need for a plug-in 
> to get the full functionality. ?
> 
> Cheers!
> Steve Fiskum

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Re: [Finale] test

[Michael Edwards]

[rglan:]


test


 Not sure what you're testing (just whether you're using the 
correct e-mail address to post?), but I got it.


Michael Edwards.

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Re: [Finale] OT: score order for a chamber group

[Michael Meyer]

Thanks very much to everyone for their responses! I appreciate it.

— Mike Meyer


On June 11, 2018 at 3:17:01 PM, Michael Meyer (mlmli...@gmail.com) wrote:

Hoping for the (not-necessarily-Finale) knowledge of the list!

A student of mine wrote their end-of-year composition project for my Music
Theory class for soprano accompanied by clarinet, violin, bass clarinet,
and cello.

For a chamber group, what order would you put the instruments in? It seems
weird to put them in strict orchestral order (which would put the soprano
in the middle, and I would think she should be at the top).

Happy to hear opinions! Thanks!

— Mike
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Re: [Finale] OT: score order for a chamber group

[Michael Edwards]

[Michael Meyer:]

A student of mine wrote their end-of-year composition project for my 
Music
Theory class for soprano accompanied by clarinet, violin, bass 
clarinet,

and cello.

For a chamber group, what order would you put the instruments in? It 
seems
weird to put them in strict orchestral order (which would put the 
soprano

in the middle, and I would think she should be at the top).

Happy to hear opinions! Thanks!


 I think I would put the soprano at the top, but the rest in normal 
orchestral order.
 I have an idea that chamber music does usually follow orchestral 
order, with a few exceptions - such as piano (when present) at the 
bottom, or a solo singer at the top.
 If I recall correctly, Schubert's Octet has the score arranged in 
the order: Clarinet; Horn; Bassoon; Violin 1; Violin 2; Viola; Cello; 
Double-Bass.  (The Horn is another exception to orchestral practice - 
put above the Bassoon, in average order of descending pitch, so 
classifying all the wind together.)
 Beethoven's Septet (with almost the same instrumentation) does 
similarly in copies of that score I've seen.

 So I would feel safe in doing what I just listed above.
 Hope that helps a little.

Michael Edwards.


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[Finale] OT: score order for a chamber group

[Michael Meyer]

Hoping for the (not-necessarily-Finale) knowledge of the list!

A student of mine wrote their end-of-year composition project for my Music
Theory class for soprano accompanied by clarinet, violin, bass clarinet,
and cello.

For a chamber group, what order would you put the instruments in? It seems
weird to put them in strict orchestral order (which would put the soprano
in the middle, and I would think she should be at the top).

Happy to hear opinions! Thanks!

— Mike
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Re: [Finale] Finale doesn't change key signatures correctly.

[Michael Edwards]

 My thanks for all the suggestions from various people. I will try 
everything suggested and see how it goes, but I'm a bit busy now with 
other things, so it may take me a little while to do that and/or respond 
to any posts that I may like to follow up further. Thanks.


 Michael Edwards.
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[Finale] Finale doesn't change key signatures correctly.

[Michael Edwards]

Hallo.

 I have a problem in Finale with changing key signatures.  There 
are two basic options in Finale for this - to cancel the old key 
signature (partially or entirely) with naturals before inserting the new 
one, or just inserting the new one.
 I always use the former option for this - the older, traditional 
method - but Finale usually doesn't do this correctly, and I'm wondering 
if this is a known problem and if there is anything I can do about it.
 As I'm sure most here would know, you cancel the entire old key 
signature if you go from sharps to flats or vice-versa; but if you go 
from sharps to a smaller sharp signature or flats to a smaller flat 
signature, you cancel only the flats or sharps in the old signature that 
won't be in the new one.  And if you are going from a smaller to a 
larger signature of the same type, then, and only then, do you have no 
naturals at all.
 However, most of the time, I find that Finale puts in all the 
naturals for the entire old signature regardless - sometimes even in the 
last case I mentioned where none are needed.
 To make things more complicated, it sometimes seems to do things 
correctly, which is why I just said "most of the time".  That seems to 
suggest that there are unknown, invisible circumstances in each 
situation that govern whether this problem occurs or not.  In a case 
where it does it incorrectly, though, no amount of tweaking or re-doing 
it seems to make any difference.
 This seems such an obvious problem that I would find it incredible 
that it has not, over all the years Finale has being going, been noticed 
and corrected.
 (To forestall anyone asking, yes, I have tried different settings 
in the menu item that controls key signature changes.  It does change 
some behaviour, but not in a way that is correct according to the normal 
rules for changing key signatures, as I described above.)


 Is this a known problem, and is there a remedy, please?  Or am I 
possibly doing something wrong that I just don't know about?

 Thank you.

         Michael Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] Expression Problem

[Michael Dutka]

Hi David and thanks for your reply. Sorry I didn't make that clear. I
dragged the expression marking from its original location to the beginning
of the piece. I_think I remember which file that was (working against a
deadline, putting out lots of files every week), but now, any new file I
create experiences the same problem, likewise any old file once I change
the tempo marking.

But hey, couldn't hurt - I'll try to find the original file and delete and
re-enter the tempo marking to see if that solves the problem.

Best,
Mike

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 4:59 PM, David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> On 5/9/2018 3:34 PM, Michael Dutka wrote:
>
>> Hi, folks. Running Finale 2010 on a 2011 MacBook Pro OSX 10.8.5.
>>
>> Did one little thing a few days ago that's caused no end of trouble. I
>> moved an expression (tempo) marking from the middle of a score to the
>> front. Ever since then, I've been experiencing strange problems with the
>> expression tool and playback.
>>
>>
> When you say you "moved an expression (tempo) marking from the middle of a
> score to the front" do you mean that you deleted it from where it was in
> the middle of the score and then re-entered it at the start, or do you mean
> that you simply dragged it all the way from where you originally entered
> it?  Have you deleted the offending marking and tried to play the piece
> without it?
>
> [snip]
>
> --
> *
> David H. Bailey
> dhbaile...@comcast.net
> http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
>
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[Finale] Expression Problem

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Running Finale 2010 on a 2011 MacBook Pro OSX 10.8.5.

Did one little thing a few days ago that's caused no end of trouble. I
moved an expression (tempo) marking from the middle of a score to the
front. Ever since then, I've been experiencing strange problems with the
expression tool and playback.

For one thing, the first eighth of a beat of every measure doesn't sound.
Music that I wrote before that plays correctly, but if I try to input new
music into an existing file, the minute I change the tempo assignment, the
same problem recurs.

I can compensate by adding an extra blank measure at the beginning of each
piece, but then I have to delete it to print, and it's really annoying.

Also, the expression tool itself started malfunctioning. In some new files,
changing tempo markings has no effect on tempo - I can set q=63, 72, 112
and it makes no difference.

I've shut down and restarted the program, rebooted the computer, and
nothing helps.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Any ideas on how to fix it?

I'm assuming that uninstalling and reinstalling the program will restore
original settings, but I'd be extremely grateful for any other advice or
suggestions.

Many thanks in advance and best regards,

Mike
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[Finale] VST banks & effects vs Mixer

[Michael Lawlor]

This is a problem I have had before, and fortunately I kept a note of 
the solution, but not before I had gone down the wrong route again.

The problem is setting relative volumes in "VST banks & effects" (ARIA 
player) that are reset as soon as playback starts. The solution is to 
use the Mixer instead.  My question is why do VST effects edits not work 
and do they have some other use?

Regards,

Michael Lawlor

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[Finale] TG Tools Fit Measures tool glitch

[Michael Wittenburg]

Dear List,


I love the TG Tools Fit Measures feature; I hate having to set up all the 
systems nicely and neatly one by one, as it is time consuming. However, I am 
continually running into a glitch where when I tell it the number of systems to 
set up the music in, it will jam EXTRA measures, bafflingly, into the first 
line, making it nigh-unreadable, and then weirdly space out the rest of 
measures across the remaining systems. Sometimes I can make it behave, 
sometimes not. Sometimes if I go "too many steps" at once, it will cause this 
error, and simply adding one system at a time until I'm happy will look 
correct. Other times, I'm forced to go and set all the systems to my own 
liking, basically negating any work I have done with the tool. This may be 
happening only when I go from fewer systems to more (to fill out a page, for 
instance), but I am not completely certain on that.


Has anyone else run into this issue?


Thanks in advance,

Michael Wittenburg


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Re: [Finale] Display Elapsed Time

[Michael Johnson]

Hi Robert:

You can define a measure number to be time of mm:ss and then display them
on every measure. Note the Measure Number Bar in Scroll/Studio view will
also display the time this way. Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Michael

From: Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
To: finale <finale@shsu.edu>
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 08:15:53 -0600
Subject: [Finale] Display Elapsed Time
Does anyone know a way to get Finale to display elapsed time in mm:ss? I
would like to see it at the beginning of every bar, but if there were a way
to show it as part of an expression that would be fine too.

I need it main as a composition aid more than something to display on the
final score.
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Re: [Finale] Display Elapsed Time

[Michael Johnson]

Hi Robert:

If you set up a measure number region of time... with the hour unchecked
and using whole seconds. Then display the measure numbers on every measure,
you should be able to get your results. Note also the Measure number bar in
Scroll / Studio view will also display the time when configured this way.

Cheers,
Michael

>
> From: Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
> To: finale <finale@shsu.edu>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 08:15:53 -0600
> Subject: [Finale] Display Elapsed Time
> Does anyone know a way to get Finale to display elapsed time in mm:ss? I
> would like to see it at the beginning of every bar, but if there were a way
> to show it as part of an expression that would be fine too.
>
> I need it main as a composition aid more than something to display on the
> final score.
>
>
>
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Re: [Finale] Extraneous note appears inexplicably in organ music playback.

[Michael Edwards]

[Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre:]

>Tedious, but you could make a copy of the file. There you could
>delete all notes in the offending bar. Then listen if there is an
>artifact in the bar. If not add the notes one by one and listen after
>each entry, whether something wrong occurs. If so check if the
>offending note is a resultant pitch of the notes entered so far. If
>everything comes out well, then go on working from this file. The
>error then were a one-off corruption in the original entry process.
>
>If there is an artifact in the bad bar, my first attempt would be
>about deleting the whole stack of that bar. Then listen whether the
>artifact is rooted in a different bar. If not then insert a new bar
>and then re-enter the contents of the stack again. Most certainly not
>by copying from the original file.
>
>I am a retired teacher and without knowing any code it has been
>helpful to me treating the computer like a kid with learning
>disabilities: Cut up the process in its smallest bits and check after
>each step.


Hallo, Klaus.  Thanks for your suggestion.

  Should have thought of that - maybe would have in time.
  I will try that, so thank you.

Michael Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] In playback, some notes don't last as long as they are notated (piano, organ music).

[Michael Edwards]

[David H. Bailey:]

>But I can offer possible suggestion as to why the problem in this
>message happens -- if you have multiple notes all sounding on the same
>midi channel, when a note-off command is sent for some of the notes on
>that channel, it affects the whole channel, so other notes you think
>should continue to sound stop sounding at the same time.
>
>The only way around that that I'm aware of would be to make a copy of
>the finale file, and then in the copy, add extra staves and explode
>those chords onto the extra staves and assign each staff to its own
>midi channel.  That way the notes which are supposed to keep sounding
>won't be affected by the note-off commands since they won't be on the
>same channels.

  Thanks for your suggestions, David.
  This goes way beyond my current knowledge of Finale, so I will 
probably just have to ignore it, and pretty well not use playback as a 
useful rendering of a piece.  (My music tends frequently to include 
slightly strange situations like this.)  I can only say that, once I do 
know those midi matters generally, I will refer to what you said and use 
that to help me solve it; but for now it goes way over my head.  I 
suppose I naively thought there might a simple fix I just didn't know 
about.
  As I said before, I used two layers in each manual staff, to 
distinguish the notes which stop earlier, and the few that continue 
sounding: the layers that contain the notes which stop earlier contain 
the complete chord (four notes in each hand), whereas I used extra 
layers to duplicate, and give a longer note value to, the few which 
continue; that is, the low G in the right hand, and the F and B in the 
left hand.  Also, the B/Cb duplicated in the layers uses two different 
enharmonic spellings: the one which is in the big chord is written as Cb 
to reflect the spacing of the total chord all in thirds, but the copy in 
the notes which continue longer is written as B, because those three 
notes act like the penultimate G7 harmony in a C major close.  Is it 
possible that putting the same note in two layers but using different 
enharmonic spellings could somehow be causing this, or at least 
complicating it?  I don't really want to change the notation, because I 
think there are good reasons for doing it this way.
  It doesn't seem likely to me, though.  Much the same thing 
happened in a piano piece which is totally diatonic for dozens of bars, 
so there are no accidentals whatever.  I had a situation where the bass 
notes change bar by bar, going down one step for each new bar, but the 
sustaining pedal is meant to merge them all together for three or four 
bars (the upper harmonies were compatible with this), accumulating them 
one by one into a mini-cluster - and I used layers and the v1/v2 device 
to tie these notes and gradually let them pile up until there was a 
cluster of about 4 adjacent notes tied over - and the same thing happens 
when I try to play that back.
  So it doesn't sound like enharmonic anomalies such as in the organ 
piece are the problem, but just too many notes, tied for differing 
numbers of beats.  (I fear this may come up again and again and again, 
as I do tend to write very intricately voiced music to highlight the 
structure.)
  I didn't fully understand your suggestions, David, about the extra 
staff, midi channels, and so on - but would this alter the actual 
appearance of the score on the page?  I've got that looking the way I 
want it (except that I still have dozens and dozens of minor tweaks 
about note positioning and so on), and it does reflect exactly what I 
want - so I wouldn't really be keen on changing the visual appearance of 
the score in order to solve playback problems.  This piece uses the 
normal three staves for organ music, but it sounds like your suggestion 
would involve using one or more extra staves, which I don't think are 
necessary at least for visually reading the score.
  Anyway, I think I will have to put this in the "deal with later 
on" category.  But thanks all the same for your suggestions.

Michael Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] Extraneous note appears inexplicably in organ music playback.

[Michael Edwards]

[Christopher Smith wrote:]

>I am suspecting that the left hand Bb is tied over, and the note it
>is tied over to is actually a B natural.

  Thanks for your suggestion, Christopher.  I thought for a moment 
you had it, and kicked myself for not checking.  I've just looked again, 
and I'm afraid it's not that.
  I neglected to say in which octave this rogue B appeared, and it's 
in the lower octave.  The Bb that ties over is the one almost an octave 
above Middle C - but the rogue B is definitely an octave below that, 
adjacent to Middle C.
  Nonetheless, in case the octave was deceptive, I used the asterisk 
to show the accidental to check out what you said - and the higher Bb 
definitely is a flat, not a natural.  There is definitely no B or Cb 
anywhere in that bar.  There is in the following bar (which contains the 
same chord shifted down a perfect 5th) - is it beyond the bounds of 
possibility that the Cb from there is somehow being shifted a bar or so 
earlier by the Finale playback?
  So I'm afraid the matter is still unresolved.
  Can it just be a software or memory glitch or bug that does such a 
thing?  Perhaps I just need to delete the whole bar and do it again from 
scratch, and see if it happens again.

Michael Edwards.


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[Finale] In playback, some notes don't last as long as they are notated (piano, organ music).

[Michael Edwards]

Hallo.

  In certain passages of a piece where the texture is more 
complicated than usual (lots of extra sustained notes inserted either 
with an extra temporary layer or by the V1/V2 device in Speedy Entry, or 
a combination of both), I have noticed that some longer notes don't 
sustain nearly as long in playback as they should - I don't know if it 
affects short notes too, but they are too short for me to notice.
  I suppose I should really post sample bars here for anyone who can 
answer to look at, but I don't know how to do that yet.
  Is this, in general, a known problem, and is there any solution to 
it?
  I have so far entered only piano and organ music since I bought 
Finale some months ago, and this appears in both of these types of 
music.
  Here is an example in an organ piece I wrote many years ago but am 
now entering in Finale: three bars before the end, the following chord 
is sustained for several beats (in ascending order and all notes on 
manuals spaced in 3rds):

   Ped.: Db Ab at bottom of pedalboard;
   l.h.: F Ab Cb Eb;
   r.h.: G Bb Db F.

  A few beats later, all notes are released except for G in the 
right hand and F B in the left.  Those notes are written as an extra 
voice in both manual staves, with the l.h. using B instead of Cb for its 
spelling, because that F B G serves as a dom. 7 before the final C major 
chord.  Yet when the point comes where all the other notes are released, 
in playback the F B G does not continue to sound - everything ceases 
together.
  I've noticed this kind of thing in others contexts, too, in piano 
music.  Is the arrangement of notes and voices just too complicated for 
playback to render correctly, or is there a way of fixing this?
  Thank you.

Michael Edwards.


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[Finale] Extraneous note appears inexplicably in organ music playback.

[Michael Edwards]

Hallo.

  In an organ piece I am entering, the following chord appears near 
the end, all notes named in ascending order and all spaced in 3rds:

   Ped.: Ab below middle C;
   l.h.: C Eb Gb Bb;
   r.h.: D F Ab C.

  A couple of beats later, all notes are released except the F in 
the right hand, which is sustained into a new chord (a similar chord 
based on Db in which the F becomes the top note).  But at the point you 
release the first chord, in playback an extraneous note creeps in - a B 
(Cb) in the left hand which really jars.
  I have double checked, and that note is not notated anywhere in 
the chord (in either enharmonic spelling), and there are no missing or 
misplaced accidentals: I cannot see anything wrong at all about the 
notation in the score - yet that odd note chips in at the very end of 
the total chord.
  What is going on here?  Is there a way of fixing it?
  Thank you.

Michael Edwards.


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[Finale] Microtone accidental positioning

[Michael Lawlor]

Finale 2014.5

I am working on a piece with a lot of microtone accidentals, using the 
articulation tool.  Even though I have specified horizontal and vertical 
positions for the articulation, this is ignored every time and I have to 
position each and every accidental.  Is this broken as designed or is 
there a way around it?

Regards,

Michael Lawlor

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Re: [Finale] an 18th Century horn question

[Michael Lawlor]

Choose the key that fits the music best.  This could be the key of the 
piece, but sometimes a related key is a better match. Also, the horns 
could be in different keys.  Start with the key of the strings/rest of 
the orchestra; if that causes problems, look for the simplest change 
that fixes it.  It is also possible that the crooks could change if the 
music modulates - you would expect to see some gaps allowing the players 
time to switch crooks.
Regards,
Michael Lawlor

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Re: [Finale] Create multi-staff instrument

[Michael Edwards]

  Hallo, Jef; thanks for the information you gave.
  You may quite well be right that I lack an understanding of the 
fundamental basis on which Finale works.  Do you know if there are any 
of the help web pages that explain this basis?
  So far I have found various help pages that explain how to solve 
particular problems, with varying degrees of clarity (to me, at least), 
but they don't really give much information about that underlying 
structure of the software.
  Such a deeper understanding might help me solve problems more 
easily, so any pointers to where I can find this would be helpful.
  Thank you.

Michael Edwards.

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Re: [Finale] Create multi-staff instrument

[Michael Edwards]

  Perhaps I can't comment directly on this issue as it's already 
emerged, but it does relate to an issue I expect to come up with my own 
work, but I just hadn't yet gathered what seemed like enough details to 
actually ask about it here yet.  But perhaps I might try to briefly 
indicate my problem, and hope someone can please help me, since the 
topic has come up.

  My issue is with piano music, and there are a few pieces I have 
which will briefly require 3 or 4 staves, although I use only 2 for 
maybe 95 percent of systems in piano music.  (And nothing I write 
requires more than two staves for the entire piece.)
  I think I found a utility for adding a staff, but there were two 
problems with it: Finale added the extra staff for all systems in the 
piece, not just the one or two where I wanted it; and the curly bracket 
at the start didn't lengthen to cover all staves, but just remained 
covering two staves it considered to be the original ones, and not the 
extra one or two.
  Are there easy solutions to this, please?
  Also, does creating an extra staff just for a couple of systems 
have implications if, as I edit the piece, repagination occurs and the 
distribution of bars on particular staves changes?  Do I have to plan 
for that, or will Finale look after it if the bars do later get 
rearranged automatically (or I rearrange them manually)?

  And, about previous suggestions already given in this thread: 
suggestions were given to rename a part to another instrument - but 
would that cause the playback to switch to the renamed instrument, or 
would it continue to play back as the original instrument?  (As I think 
I once said before, correct notation is paramount for me, but I do want 
to preserve accurate playback if that can be catered for in addition.)
  And also a distinction was made between extra staves for a single 
instrument and a "group" as solutions to Dennis's problem, and I don't 
really understand that.  I've read a bit about it in the help pages, but 
didn't find it very clear.
  Would either of these matters already mentioned in the thread help 
my problem, as stated above?
  Thank you.

Michael, Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] trill

[Michael Wittenburg]

Harold,


Under the articulation tool, there are actually four different trill signs, 
including trill-to-flat, natural, and sharp upper note I tested these just now, 
and each one plays back differently, as I suspected. I even forced a 
trill-to-unison by attacking a B-natural with a trill-flat sign.


If you're looking for quarter-tone trills, that's something I can't answer; 
hopefully this helps!


Michael


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From: Haroldo Mauro <hma...@hmauro.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 9:28 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] trill

How do I force a trill to use a semitone during playback?
Harold

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Re: [Finale] DC al fine

[Michael Edwards]

[Dennis:]

>I have a piece that ends with a DC al fine, ABA. The last measure of A
>is different the second time. If I use first and second endings for A,
>what kind of barline do I put at the end of the last measure the first
>time? A double thin?

  I probably should have commented on the direct question asked, 
about the type of bar-line.  If you don't use the system I proposed in 
my previous post, I would probably, myself, use a thin-thick double bar.
  Just thinking about the Minuet movement of mine which I mentioned 
before (which is in handwritten manuscript which I don't have handy now) 
- I'm trying to recall how I did that; I certainly would have used what 
I thought was the most correct notation, adapted to the unusual 
situation but conforming to the rules as far as possible.  The 1st-time 
bar has the normal concluding repeat sign; the 2nd- and 3rd-time bars 
don't need repeat signs - and I'm pretty sure I used a double, 
"thin-thick" bar-line for both of them, one after the other.
  So I think that would be applicable if your situation, too.  To my 
eye, a double-thin bar-line might not separate sufficiently two bars 
which are written consecutively but are never played consecutively.

Michael Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] DC al fine

[Michael Edwards]

[Dennis:]

>I have a piece that ends with a DC al fine, ABA. The last measure of A
>is different the second time. If I use first and second endings for A,
>what kind of barline do I put at the end of the last measure the first
>time? A double thin?


Hallo, Dennis.

  I'm not quite sure what rules govern this, but I would consider 
not using first- and second-time bars at all, but instead using the 
"Coda" system, similarly to what you sometimes see in Beethoven piano 
sonatas.  He puts an instruction at the end of the Trio section of 
Scherzos or Minuets that goes something like "Da capo al segno, e poi la 
coda".  (I may not have got that quite right, as I'm recalling it from 
memory without any reference handy).  In your case, the "segno" you 
insert would be at the start of the final bar of the A section.
  To be sure, the "coda" in the Beethoven examples was a whole short 
concluding section, but I don't see why you couldn't use it for a single 
bar that is just a different version of the final bar for the "A" 
section.
  I have a Minuet movement in a sonata that I have yet to put into 
Finale, which requires *three* endings - because the "A" section in 
binary form with both halves repeated requires two versions of the final 
bar, and then there is a 3rd version of that bar for the final "Da capo" 
occurrence of the "A" section.  I dread the battle I will face when I 
finally try to get Finale to do that, because it seems very unorthodox, 
and I suppose I will have to use 1st, 2nd, and 3rd endings.  But for 
just two endings where it's not a conventional repeat, I would very 
likely use the "e poi la coda" system.

Michael Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] JW plugin installation fail

[Michael Withers]

I don't know if this is the same thing but I had a similar problem. I had
just dragged the plugin file from the zip file to the new folder and it
didn't work. When I did a proper 'extract all' to unzip the zip file to the
new folder it worked OK.

Michael 

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Raymond Horton
Sent: 21 September 2017 06:37
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] JW plugin installation fail

Finale 25 windows. I followed these instructions to install JW plugins:

Installation (Finale for Windows)
Find out where your Finale plug-ins folder is located by looking in the
Program Options in Finale (at the Folders page). Unzip the the plug-in .fxt
file to that folder (or to a subfolder if you want it in a submenu to the
Plug-ins menu) Restart Finale.

The folder I put the plugins in shows up, but none of the plugins do. Any
help?
Thanks!


Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass
Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com
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Re: [Finale] Staff question

[Michael Lawlor]

Create the examples you want in Finale, forget about getting it to 
appear in a document.  Select the graphics tool (it's in the advanced 
tools palette, in case you do not have that appear in your set-up).  
Double click at a corner and drag a rectangle including the music you 
wish to copy into a word document.  Go to the graphics pull-down and 
select "Export Selection" [If you want to export a whole page, do not 
bother dragging a rectangle around it, just go straight to graphics 
pull-down and "Export Page"]. Set resolution to 600 dpi and save it 
where you want, then in WORD, insert picture.  You can resize it and 
position it as you want.

Michael Lawlor


On 23/08/2017 23:37, Patsy Moore wrote:
> Hello fellow Finale users,
>
> I'm using (i.e. still struggling intermittently with) Finale 2014.
>
> I've just been preparing a revised Questionnaire in Finale for new 
> members of my adult learners' orchestra.
>
> After 2 pages of assorted text I want to insert a short length of 
> staff with a clef, or possibly of them in different places, for people 
> to fill in their possible playing ranges, but so far have failed to do 
> so.
>
> I've clicked "new blank staves" in the Staff tool.
>
> A little window opens saying:
> Number of Staves 1 (can be changed, but I've left it as 1)
> Topline to Topline Distance 1 (haven't worked out what that means but 
> have tried it as1 and as 0)
> OK / Cancel / Help
>
> If I click OK, nothing happens.
>
> Helpful hints would be very welcome. :)
>
> Just off to bed in England
>
> Patsy
>

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Re: [Finale] Things to be done in the middle of a bar.

[Michael Edwards]

[Robert Patterson:]

>>I don't agree it is "very complicated". You can achieve the result 
>> you want
>>(mid-measure keys/timesigs) using a few extra steps. The result is 
>> robust
>>and works exactly as you would wish it to, including playback.
>>
>>Finale does permit e.g. 3/8 in RH and 9/16 in LH, where the barlines 
>> line
>>up. (I don't understand what you mean by 9/19 meter.)
>
> Did I type "9/19"?  It was a typo; I meant 9/16.

  Oh - I forgot to add just now: it was both those in the left hand, 
not one in the right and the other the left.  I think that was when I 
mentioned Scriabin's 10 Piano Sonata, which does that near the end.  It 
may sound confusing to read about, but the score is perfectly clear and 
readable, and entirely logical.

Michael Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] Things to be done in the middle of a bar.

[Michael Edwards]

[Robert Patterson wrote:]

>I don't agree it is "very complicated". You can achieve the result you 
> want
>(mid-measure keys/timesigs) using a few extra steps. The result is 
> robust
>and works exactly as you would wish it to, including playback.
>
>Finale does permit e.g. 3/8 in RH and 9/16 in LH, where the barlines 
> line
>up. (I don't understand what you mean by 9/19 meter.)

  Did I type "9/19"?  It was a typo; I meant 9/16.


>It will even playback
>correctly. Check out Independent Time Signature in the staff dialog 
> box.
>Where Finale truly presents "very complicated" challenges is if you 
> want
>different meters with different barlines in different staves. (Think
>Charles Ives for example.) Then there really is a great deal of tedium 
> to
>accomplish it.

  Well, so far I don't think I need that (although I do recall years 
ago trying to write a piece in 4/4, but the two hands had permanently 
staggered bar-lines - and it made sense in terms of the rhythm I was 
using).
  But I have seen scores where some instruments are playing a fast, 
repeated figure in 3/8 time and other instruments are playing a slower 
theme in 4/4 time, and the barring is separate in these two sections, so 
that four 3/8 bars fit into one 4/4 bar - or similar.  And it wasn't 
anything like Ives - I forget what, but it was a romantic, tonal 
symphony or something.  And I have seen in Edgar Bainton's "Concerto 
Fantasia" a section where part of the orchestra is playing in 3/2 and 
another part in 4/4, with crotchets exactly the same in both, so that 
the bar-lines coincide sometimes, and don't at other times.  Again, that 
is a romantic piece - nothing avant-garde.
  It is conceivable I could want to do things of that sort one day.  
I'll try looking at the thing you suggest, so thanks for that.
  But I am currently doing a piano piece where 4/8 and 12/16 play a 
roughly equal role, although one or the other may predominate at 
different times, and both may appear simultaneously at other times.  I 
want to use each time signature strictly where it applies so as to make 
this dual aspect of the rhythm perfectly plain.  I've already found out 
how to have 4/8 in one hand and 12/16 in the other (it plays back 
correctly, too, but mangles up if I try to copy and paste such passages 
anywhere); but I haven't yet found out how to make some of the key 
signature changes half-way through the bar, as is already required a 
couple of times; and there are one or two passages where both time 
signatures appear in one hand.  I am suspecting that, if the last is 
possible, it will take some serious fakery.
  Would it work if I temporarily created three staves, so that two 
of them, for instance, can be assigned to the right hand, with the two 
different time signatures, and then, once I've filled in all the notes 
and other markings, I can put one exactly on the other, so that it looks 
like one staff - and I could then use a bit of graphic fiddling to hide 
the actual time signatures (which would be literally on top of each 
other once I superimposed the staves), and then put in a new graphic 
composite time signature for display and printing?
  To that end, can anyone please tell me how to create a temporary 
extra staff?  I searched and searched in the help files on line and the 
2009 manual for this, but couldn't find it - only a method for adding an 
extra staff for the whole piece, with bar-lines that don't join those in 
the two main staves, which I don't think is what I want - it seemed 
intended for adding a new instrument to the ensemble.  Or do I have to 
do that, then remove the extra staff somehow from most systems that 
don't need it, and find a way of joining the bar-lines?
  Thank you.

Michael Edwards.



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Re: [Finale] Downloadable current manual.

[Michael Edwards]

[Raymond Horton:]

>"when I finally got to creating the expression and
>putting it into a score, it just kept trying to put a slur line 
> instead."
>
>Very sorry, but I lost track of who posted this.

  That's okay; it was I.


>Windows Finale 25, I often
>find the program will not put the expression or smart shape that I 
> want,
>and will insist on putting only one. I have to exit Finale and start 
> it
>again, or occasionally have to reboot. This has happened quite 
> frequently,
>actually.

  Okay; thanks for that, Raymond.  I'll try that and see if it 
helps.  I was quite dumb-founded when I discovered how incredibly 
difficult it is to put in such a simple thing as a pedal marking, and 
wondered if I was missing something, or doing it the wrong way.

Michael Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] Things to be done in the middle of a bar.

[Michael Edwards]

  That is rather disappointing and quite surprising to me, that 
these things can be accomplished only with a lot of very complicated 
fiddling around.  I need to do all those three things moderately often 
in the music I compose.
  Key signature changes inside a bar are surely common enough that 
they should be a standard feature of a program like Finale.  Perhaps one 
day they will add it.  Repeat signs inside bars are just as common, too.
  Time signature changes inside bars aren't, I suppose - but the 
Beethoven example I gave was not just a sloppy practice of a composer 
notorious for his untidy manuscripts, but entirely, completely logical 
in the context.  The 12/16 and 6/8 sections both start and finish with 
half-bars, and so the parts of the bars match up exactly.
  So I suppose if I ask whether it is possible to have two different 
time signatures in the same staff (such as 3/8 and 9/19 which can be 
found together in the left hand near the end of Scriabin's 10 Piano 
Sonata), I'm going to be told it's completely impossible, even in 
Finale, am I?


[SN jef chippewa wrote:]

>not really "mid-bar" change, more like butt-splicing different pieces
>together, each with anacrusis and final "incomplete" measure.  but
>yeah achieved in the same multi-step tasks in finale.

  I don't think I agree that it's not really mid-bar.  If you look 
at the passage, the half-bar before a change from 12/16 to 6/8 contains 
six semiquavers, grouped into two groups of three, and the half-bar 
after the change contains six semiquavers, grouped into three groups of 
two.  It all adds up and I can think of no better way of notating that 
change.  (The tempo changes, but I don't think that damages the logic of 
the situation.)


>thanks for the reminder that i haven't listened to this piece in 
> awhile :P

  I first heard this sonata (no. 31 in Ab major, Op. 110) along with 
its predecessor, no. 30 in E major, Op. 109, as a child, on an L.P. 
played by Iso Elinson back around 1965, and it was like a window into a 
new world.  I was obsessed with Beethoven, and this record was one of 
the earliest ones I got.  I think the general style of notation I use 
was probably modelled on the Schirmer edition of the complete sonatas I 
got as a child, although I've done certain things differently to 
accommodate more modern musical styles than Beethoven used.

Michael Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] Downloadable current manual.

[Michael Edwards]

le, 
so I guess I'll probably let that go unless I later hear seriously good 
things about it.  I have sort of got the impression (without any real 
evidence) that Sibelius is probably not as a good as Finale for some of 
the more unusual things I want to do.

Michael Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] Bowing Plug-in

[Michael Dutka]

Wow! Been painstakingly plotting out my bowings ever since I learned how to
do that in college, and hearing I've been wasting my time all these years.

That'll certainly save me time and trouble in the future. Another feature I
really would like, but I'll ask in another post.

Thanks for the feedback,

Mike

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> Hi, folks. Reviewing a fairly large opera score, about 160 minutes of
> music, and one thing that would be phenomenally helpful is some kind of
> plug-in or app that would let Finale users see every up and down bow, even
> when they're not written in.
>
> The string players I've spoken to don't like it when I write in every
> bowing mark, and ask me only to write them in when they're not obvious. But
> it's easy for me (as a non-string player) to lose track, and possibly write
> in a bad bowing combination, and we all know what working out problems
> during rehearsals with live musicians costs.
>
> Is there any such thing around? Anything one of you brilliant plug-in/app
> writers would want to create? I, for one, would pay a lot of money for
> something like that, and can't think I'm the only one.
>
> Just curious. Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
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>
> On 8/15/2017 3:14 PM, Michael Dutka wrote:
> > Hi, folks. Reviewing a fairly large opera score, about 160 minutes of
> > music, and one thing that would be phenomenally helpful is some kind of
> > plug-in or app that would let Finale users see every up and down bow,
> even
> > when they're not written in.
> >
> > The string players I've spoken to don't like it when I write in every
> > bowing mark, and ask me only to write them in when they're not obvious.
> But
> > it's easy for me (as a non-string player) to lose track, and possibly
> write
> > in a bad bowing combination, and we all know what working out problems
> > during rehearsals with live musicians costs.
> >
> > Is there any such thing around? Anything one of you brilliant plug-in/app
> > writers would want to create? I, for one, would pay a lot of money for
> > something like that, and can't think I'm the only one.
> >
> > Just curious. Thanks,
> >
>
>
> Give a violin part to 10 violinists to bow and you'll get 10 different
> sets of bowing.
>
> There's no single way of bowing that everybody would agree on so no
> plug-in would ever work.
>
> The best a plug-in could do would be to indicate alternating up and down
> bows on each articulated note in sequence and indicate a single bowing
> at the start of a slur.  But I'm not sure why you would want such a
> plug-in, since no matter what you indicate the concertmaster will change
> it.
>
> Best to leave the bowings unmarked unless there is something you
> definitely want on an up-bow or a down-bow.  And mark those sparingly.
> Leave such things to the people who will be playing the parts.
>
>
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>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:37:56 -0500
> From: Neal Gittleman <nealg...@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Bowing Plug-In?
> To: finale@shsu.e

[Finale] Downloadable current manual

[Michael Johnson]

Hi Michael:

a Downloadable manual is available here for version 25 through 2009
https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115010572707-User-Manuals-Finale-v25-Finale-2009

The v25 manual was posted a few months ago based on user requess. Perhaps
your info was out of date. It certainly wasn't posted with the initial
release

​Cheers,
Michael Johnson​
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Re: [Finale] Downloadable current manual

[Michael Johnson]

I jumped the gun.
This is the KBA with the instructions on downloading the manual.
Guess, I need to drink a little more coffee before my early morning replies

https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/22288-Finding-Finale-s-user-manual-and-other-help-resources-Version-25-

Michael

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Michael Johnson <mjohn...@makemusic.com>
wrote:

> Hi Michael:
>
> a Downloadable manual is available here for version 25 through 2009
> https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115010572707-User-Manuals-
> Finale-v25-Finale-2009
>
> The v25 manual was posted a few months ago based on user requess. Perhaps
> your info was out of date. It certainly wasn't posted with the initial
> release
>
> ​Cheers,
> Michael Johnson​
>
>


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[Finale] Things to be done in the middle of a bar.

[Michael Edwards]

  In my early attempts to transcribe music (already written) into 
Finale, I am finding myself wanting to do several things in the middle 
of a bar which Finale appears, by default, to do only between bars.  If 
anyone knows how to do these, I would be grateful for any hints.  I 
cannot seem to find information on how to do these in the help pages, or 
even any evidence that they can be done within bars.


1.
  Change key signature.  So far, I have found out only how to do it 
between bars.  And is it possible to change the default double-bar for a 
between-bars key signature change that seems to be the default?

2.
  Change time signature.  I realize this is unusual, but I think it 
can make sense in certain situations.  For example, it can be found 
several times in Beethoven's 31st Piano Sonata, Op. 110, where, in the 
last movement, 12/16 changes to 6/8 mid-bar, then back and forth another 
couple of times, always mid-bar:

   
http://hz.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/a/a3/IMSLP51805-PMLP01488-Beethoven_Werke_Breitkopf_Serie_16_No_154_Op_110.pdf

3.
  Put opening or closing repeat marks (or a mark containing both the 
end of a repeat and the start of a new one) - possibly also in 
conjunction with first- and second-time bars for the repeat that is 
finishing.


  Are there any ways of doing these things inside a bar?  In all 
cases, it is far preferable if it plays back correctly - but if this is 
impossible, correct notation is in the end paramount.  But I am willing 
to do things a harder way if they will also play back correctly.
  Thank you.

Michael Edwards.


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[Finale] Downloadable current manual.

[Michael Edwards]

Hallo.

  Following links I was given when I joined here a week or two ago, 
I tried to find a downloadable manual, because I am not on line a lot of 
the time when I use Finale; but so far I have found a manual only from 
2009, and, while a lot of what it says is applicable to the current 
version, some things appear not to be.
  Perhaps I got the links I was given mixed up, but I still haven't 
found a current downloadable manual yet.  Is there one? - or do 
MakeMusic assume users are always on line?
  If anyone can please point me to it, I would be grateful.  (And if 
someone has already point to this, I apologize - it will mean I have got 
my information mixed up somehow.)
  Thank you.

Michael Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] VOT

[Michael Edwards]

[Barbara Touburg:]

>What is the Dutch translation for "override"? I really can't find any.
>It seems that it doesn't exist in my language. Thanks!

  Google Translate just seems to give "override", so it does seem a 
bit of a puzzle (it seems unlikely that the Dutch is also "override", so 
this may be a way for Google Translate to draw a blank).  But does the 
ancillary information given further on the page I saw give you any ideas 
that seem right? - here:

   https://translate.google.com.au/?hl=en=wT#en/nl/override

Michael Edwards.


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[Finale] Bowing Plug-In?

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Reviewing a fairly large opera score, about 160 minutes of
music, and one thing that would be phenomenally helpful is some kind of
plug-in or app that would let Finale users see every up and down bow, even
when they're not written in.

The string players I've spoken to don't like it when I write in every
bowing mark, and ask me only to write them in when they're not obvious. But
it's easy for me (as a non-string player) to lose track, and possibly write
in a bad bowing combination, and we all know what working out problems
during rehearsals with live musicians costs.

Is there any such thing around? Anything one of you brilliant plug-in/app
writers would want to create? I, for one, would pay a lot of money for
something like that, and can't think I'm the only one.

Just curious. Thanks,

Mike
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Re: [Finale] . Interesting article on battle over copyright for "We Shall Overcome"

[Michael Dutka]

I sang with the New York Choral Society when we were the backup chorus for
his Carnegie Hall concerts.

Needless to say, we prepared like crazy for our first rehearsal with him.
Somehow, our first song didn't go well, and we were looking around,
wondering what was happening. Bob deCormier, our conductor, stopped the
rehearsal, and Pete Seeger told us he'd been working really hard on the
Clearwater Festival, he hadn't had a chance to practice as much as he
needed to be as prepared as we wanted to be, and he wanted to  apologize to
each and every one of us.

We just gave him a standing ovation. Not a guy who took himself too
seriously.

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   1. Interesting article on battle over copyright for "We Shall
  Overcome" (Raymond Horton)
   2. Re: Interesting article on battle over copyright for "We
  Shall Overcome" (Christopher Smith)
   3. Re: Interesting article on battle over copyright for "We
  Shall Overcome" (Chuck Israels)
   4. Re: Interesting article on battle over copyright for "We
  Shall Overcome" (David H. Bailey)


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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 19:19:15 -0400
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Subject: [Finale] Interesting article on battle over copyright for "We
Shall   Overcome"
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Re: [Finale] Just bought Finale - is downloadable manual available (or third-party books on Finale)?

[Michael Edwards]

  Thanks for that, Lawrence and David.
  Lawrence, would you mind please giving me a link for the help file 
section you mentioned?  I tried looking around on the Finale site, but 
might have been looking in the wrong area or possibly even the wrong 
site.
  David, I'll make a note of those books and see if I can find them.
  I will be glad if I am able to get answers here.  But my purpose 
in wanting a manual was twofold: I would have something to refer to when 
I'm not on the Internet and able to post here; and also I do expect to 
have dozens and dozens of probably quite elementary questions, and it 
would save a lot of posting of fiddly little questions here (which have 
probably been posted dozens of times before) if I was able to find out 
at least the more basic things on my own.

Michael Edwards.


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[Finale] Just bought Finale - is downloadable manual available (or third-party books on Finale)?

[Michael Edwards]

Hallo.

  After many years of considering which music notation software to 
buy, and a decade or more of forgetting entirely about notation 
software, I have finally bought Finale.  I have been on this mailing 
list earlier on (possibly still am but my account was turned off, and I 
have started a new one), and posted quite often for a couple of years, 
but may well be long since forgotten by now.
  Of course there are many things about Finale I will need to find 
out, and I hope I can ask about some of them here.
  But perhaps a reply to my first question will save me from having 
to ask many future questions here.  It is simply this: is there an 
up-to-date user manual I can download from anywhere?  The most recent 
one I found was from 2009, and, while I expect a lot of information 
there will still apply, I expect quite a bit will have changed also.  I 
do not have Internet access at home - only when at my mother's or at the 
local library - so I will not be able to read the on-line manual at home 
- only at my mother's, because I cannot install and use Finale on the 
library computers.
  So am I likely to find a current manual anywhere?  Or can I ask 
MakeMusic to mail me a paper copy?  Or, failing that, are there any 
third-party reference books published on how to use Finale (preferably 
referring to the current version)?
  Thank you.

Michael Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

[Michael Meyer]

Jef —

If I’m understanding the issue clearly, my suggestion would be to use whichever 
transposition keeps the notated keyboard part in the same written key as the 
piano.

Keyboard and piano are the same performer, no? Then to me that would be easiest 
for the player. Keeping it in the same key as the vibraphone is immaterial, IMO.

Hope this is a helpful suggestion!

— Mike

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 6:46 AM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> it is notated indeed transposed and that is part of the issue, but 
> not from the traditional standpoint.  i can choose to transpose the 
> keyboard up or down, meaning a G3/4# in the score appears in the part 
> as:
> 1) A when the electronic keyboard is tuned down a quarter tone
> 2) G# when the electronic keyboard is tuned up a quarter tone
> 
> both are "right" (both the same interval of transposition, but in a 
> different direction) but in (1) the advantage is that the electronic 
> instrument is tuned down, as is the quarter tone vib used in the same 
> piece, whereas in (2) the advantage is that pitch names ("G" here) 
> remains the same throughout the score.
> 
> it only matters for practicality which direction we use, but i need 
> to decide before continuing doing the keyboard part.
> 
> 
>> Sorry I just don't understand why you don't treat it like a 
>> transposing instrument and just notate it as you would a trumpet or 
>> alto sax?
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Re: [Finale] XML export in Finale 25.4 (Mac)

[Michael Good]

What’s going on is that Sibelius 8.6 doesn’t yet recognize the MusicXML 3.1 
format or the new .musicxml extension. The best approach for now is just what 
you are doing. That is, export with the .xml suffix and ignore the Sibelius 
error message. The message incorrectly says “older” when it means “newer”. 

Our Dolet MusicXML plug-in for Sibelius only does export, not import, so that 
won’t make any difference in this situation.

Most MusicXML readers will just ignore the new MusicXML 3.1 features that they 
don’t understand, so the exchange should still work fine. If you get annoyed by 
the error messages, you can change your MusicXML preferences to export MusicXML 
3.0 files instead. But don’t forget to change it back once your other 
applications start adding MusicXML 3.1 support.

Best regards,

Michael Good
VP of MusicXML Technologies
MakeMusic, Inc.


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Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

[Michael Lawlor]

Consistency?  I think that's irrelevant; after all, in a regular 
orchestra there are instruments in different keys, the transposing 
instruments are not all in Bb, but since it is an electronic instrument 
that is being retuned, there is no problem with strings snapping so I 
think the decisive factor should be which notation is likely to make the 
keyboard part easier to read/play, especially if having to switch from 
keyboard to piano.

Regards,

Michael


On 14/07/2017 17:04, SN jef chippewa wrote:
>
> anyone have any preferences or suggestions about whether to transpose 
> up or down?
>
> the musician plays piano as well as keyboard (most likely sitting on 
> the piano), the keyboard is tuned 1/4 tone away from the piano.
>
> keyboard in the score is notated using 1/4 and 3/4 sharps (1/4 flats 
> used only in rare cases in super tight clusters), so my thinking is 
> that tuning up is most logical: G-3/4# in the SC is G# in the PT, 
> rather than A.  i'm thinking this would seem easiest for whoever reads 
> both SC and PT, but the percussionist plays 2 vibraphones, one tuned 
> down a quarter tone, so the composer thinks that is best for consistency.
>
> thanks,
> jef
>

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Re: [Finale] Tuplet in 6/8

[Michael Dutka]

I do that all the time, I've always used the dotted eighths, and I've never
had issues with musicians over that notation.

FWIW. Best,

Mike

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   1. Tuplet in 6/8 (Lee Dengler)
   2. Re: Tuplet in 6/8 (Robert Patterson)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 11:18:05 -0400
From: "Lee Dengler" 
Subject: [Finale] Tuplet in 6/8
To: 
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Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Hi All,

I am engraving a piece that is in 6/8.  There are places where the dotted
quarter beat is divided into 2.  I've seen scores where that is notated with
2 dotted eighth notes and I've seen notated as a 2 eighth note tuplet.
Which is correct or can either be used?  Thanks to anyone who can offer
their advice.

Lee Dengler

leedeng...@comcast.net 





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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 11:28:31 -0500
From: Robert Patterson 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Tuplet in 6/8
To: finale 
Message-ID:

Re: [Finale] Tuplet in 6/8

[Michael Lawlor]

Both are valid and which you choose is down to which you think will get 
the best result according to the context and style of the piece and 
players involved.

Michael Lawlor


On 05/07/2017 18:00, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am engraving a piece that is in 6/8.  There are places where the dotted
> quarter beat is divided into 2.  I've seen scores where that is notated with
> 2 dotted eighth notes and I've seen notated as a 2 eighth note tuplet.
> Which is correct or can either be used?  Thanks to anyone who can offer
> their advice.
>
> Lee Dengler

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Re: [Finale] Repair Corrupted File?

[Michael Dutka]

Thanks,  Robert. I'll give it a try.

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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 15:41:31 -0400
From: Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Finale] Repair Corrupted File?
To: finale@shsu.edu
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Hi, folks. Running Finale 2010 on Mac OSX 10.8.5.

Been working on my first full-length opera, and the Act IV Finale (no pun
intended) became, for want of a better word, corrupted.

When I try to play it, it takes several minutes to load. Since I'm one of
those, 'try this, play it, don't like it, try that, play it' type of
composers, that makes work on the file pretty odious.

I tried to export the file to .xml, and it keeps giving the message 'Error
while exporting MusicXML file [FILENAME] at part 22, measure 11."

Since that's somewhere in the string section (it doesn't seem to go by
staves), I tried deleting the entire string section, exported it, imported
it, and I get a file that loads and plays immediately.

Now I'm trying again with the original file, deleting strings section by
section / measure by measure to try to delete the measures with the error.

Is there any easier way to do this? Is there someone I could (gladly!) pay
to take my original corrupted file and send my back an uncorrupted file?

Any advice / suggestions deeply appreciated. Thanks and best,

Mike


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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 14:50:42 -0500
From: Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
Subject: Re: [Finale] Repair Corrupted File?
To: finale <finale@shsu.edu>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

The first thing to try is File Maintenance. That might fix the problem. At
the very least you'll get a report. On the report is something called
"Frames". Hopefully that number is nowhere near 32767, otherwise you will
be having continuing troubles.

FWIW: Garritan, at least, starts much faster in Fin25 than some older
versions. I don't know about Fin10, though.


On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, folks. Running Finale 2010 on Mac OSX 10.8.5.
>
> Been working on my first full-length opera, and the Act IV Finale (no pun
> intended) became, for want of a better word, corrupted.
>
> When I try to play it, it takes several minutes to load. Since I'm one of
> those, 'try this, play it, don't like it, try that, play it' type of
> composers, that makes work on the file pretty odious.
>
> I tried to export the file to .xml, and it keeps giving the message 'Error
> while exporting MusicXML file [FILENAME] at part 22, measure 11."
>
> Since that's somewhere in the string section (it doesn't seem to go by
> staves), I tried deleting the entire string section, exported it, imported
> it, and I get a file that loads and plays immediately.
>
> Now I'm trying again with the original file, deleting strings section by
> section / measure by measure to try to delete the measures with the error.
>
> Is there any easier way to do this? Is there someone I could (gladly!) pay
> to take my original corrupted file and send my back an uncorrupted file?
>
> Any advice / suggestions deeply appreciated. Thanks and best,
>
> Mike
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[Finale] Repair Corrupted File?

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Running Finale 2010 on Mac OSX 10.8.5.

Been working on my first full-length opera, and the Act IV Finale (no pun
intended) became, for want of a better word, corrupted.

When I try to play it, it takes several minutes to load. Since I'm one of
those, 'try this, play it, don't like it, try that, play it' type of
composers, that makes work on the file pretty odious.

I tried to export the file to .xml, and it keeps giving the message 'Error
while exporting MusicXML file [FILENAME] at part 22, measure 11."

Since that's somewhere in the string section (it doesn't seem to go by
staves), I tried deleting the entire string section, exported it, imported
it, and I get a file that loads and plays immediately.

Now I'm trying again with the original file, deleting strings section by
section / measure by measure to try to delete the measures with the error.

Is there any easier way to do this? Is there someone I could (gladly!) pay
to take my original corrupted file and send my back an uncorrupted file?

Any advice / suggestions deeply appreciated. Thanks and best,

Mike
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[Finale] Problems Printing 11 x 17

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Running 2010 on OSX 10.8.5 (and yes, planning to upgrade as soon
as I finish my current project).

Trying to print 11 x 17 scores, and but when I do, I get the error message
that some of the pages don't fit the size of the paper in the printer.
Pretty sure it's a Finale issues, not a printer interface, because I get
the same error message even if I try to generate a .pdf with no printer
selected.

The Page Size settings in the Page Layout menu look right - Tabloid Width
11 Length 17.

Is there some other setting that could be interfering? Any advice,
recommendations?

Many thanks, and best regards,

Mike
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Re: [Finale] Cannot find files within Finale

[Michael Lawlor]

Refreshing the files, restarting Finale, ensuring the parameters for the 
folder are set have had no effect and the files are not in the SYSTEM32 
folder.
But I have now gone through everything and restarted Finale several 
times suddenly, the folder has reappeared.  I do not know which action 
fixed it.  One thing might point at the problem, although I have 2014.5 
installed, I have noticed that when I open a file via Window Explorer, 
it actually opens up FInale 2014d.  Even when I try to force the file to 
open with 2014.5, it still opens with 2014d.
Thanks for the help; it seems to be working at the moment.
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[Finale] Cannot find files within Finale

[Michael Lawlor]

[2014.5]

I have a folder that I can see from Windows Explorer and can select 
files and they open in Finale.  However, within Finale, if I try to open 
a file, the folder is invisible.  Are there parameters I may have 
inadvertently set that is causing this?

Michael Lawlor

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Re: [Finale] Time signatures in text document

[Michael Lawlor]

Further to my initial request for help with time signatures in word 
documents, I would also like to include mensuration signs in addition to 
the semicircle 'C' for /tempus imperfectum prolatio minor/: circle with 
dot (/tempus perfectum prolatio major/), semicircle with dot (/tempus 
imperfectum prolatio major/) and circle with no dot (/tempus perfectum 
prolatio minor/).  Is there a font with these?

Regards,
Michael Lawlor
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Re: [Finale] Time signatures in text document

[Michael Lawlor]

Thanks, this is just what I was looking for.

Michael


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[Finale] Time signatures in text document

[Michael Lawlor]

I want to include time signatures in a Word document, preferably with 
one number directly above the other, rather than making it look like a 
fraction.  I have tried superscripts and subscripts, but something 
resembling real music notation would be better.  Also, I do not just 
want regular time signatures, I also want to include 3/1, 6/2...  Does 
anyone have any advice to provide on the easiest way to do this?

Regards,
Michael Lawlor
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Re: [Finale] REPEAT SIGN INSIDE A BAR

[Michael Lawlor]

Create two bars of the appropriate length, hide the time signatures and 
put the repeat between the two bars.  If you are relying on bar numbers, 
you will also have to modify the measure regions so you do not end up 
with one bar too many.

Michael Lawlor


On 29/03/2017 14:40, dr.a.s. weinstangel wrote:
> Dear all;
>
>
> Never encountered this little problem before:
>
>
> How would you go about placing a repeat sign in the middle of a measure?
>
>
> TIA for your help.
>
>
> Dr.A.S.Weinstangel
>
> sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca
> cel.647-292-4605
>

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Dear all,

My lyrics problem has now righted itself - and I have no idea why it just 
started working again!

HOWEVER for the record, I want to express my thanks to Michael Johnson, VP 
Professional Notation at MakeMusic, who leapt straight onto the case from what 
he saw on this list and has spent quite a while trying to help me get to the 
bottom of the problem.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Michael Withers
Sent: 09 February 2017 19:01
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

Great idea. Just tried it and it makes no difference unfortunately.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Robert Patterson
Sent: 09 February 2017 17:06
To: finale
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

Okay. Another idea I had is to trash your preferences. Sometimes this helps 
with weird behavior, especially if it was working for a while before the 
problems started.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Michael Withers < 
mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> Many thanks for the offer but it seems to be a general thing. I have 
> exactly the same behaviour if I start a completely new test file.
> Still it would do no harm to check. I'll send you something later on today.
>
> Michael
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Patterson
> Sent: 09 February 2017 15:20
> To: finale
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
>
> If you want to send me a copy of the problem file privately, I'll be 
> glad to see what I can see about it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Michael Withers < 
> mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Robert. I'll double check the 'Set current lyric' settings 
> > but I think it's unlikely to be the cause as I have the same problem 
> > on
> > v25 AND on 2014 and 2014.5.
> >
> > I've already tried all the usual rebooting PC and restarting Finale 
> > tricks to no avail.
> >
> > Thanks anyway
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> > Behalf Of Robert Patterson
> > Sent: 09 February 2017 13:50
> > To: finale
> > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> >
> > I've seen this problem, or similar, in Fin 25. Whatever causes the 
> > lyrics disappear seems random, but usually I can restore them with 
> > Undo, provided I go back far enough. You might also try restarting 
> > Finale or even the computer. (I sometimes have to restart the 
> > computer for playback issues.)
> >
> > But your problem sounds like a simpler issue. Are you certain that 
> > "Set Current Lyric" is set to the same verse/chorus/section number 
> > as you are expecting? There is some strange behavior around this 
> > feature and it is worth checking.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:40 AM, Michael Withers < 
> > mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John and Christopher,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a 
> > > marvellous resource and worth sharing more widely.
> > >
> > > Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en.
> > > This one works best with single words or shorter texts but has the 
> > > advantage of allowing hyphenation in many different languages.
> > >
> > > However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my
> > problem:
> > > I can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool 
> > > edit window!!
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Michael Withers
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> > > Behalf Of John Roberts
> > > Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
> > > To: finale@shsu.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> > >
> > > You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long 
> > > ago, and use it all the time. Very useful.
> > > JR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <
> > > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. 
> &g

Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Great idea. Just tried it and it makes no difference unfortunately.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Robert Patterson
Sent: 09 February 2017 17:06
To: finale
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

Okay. Another idea I had is to trash your preferences. Sometimes this helps 
with weird behavior, especially if it was working for a while before the 
problems started.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Michael Withers < 
mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> Many thanks for the offer but it seems to be a general thing. I have 
> exactly the same behaviour if I start a completely new test file. 
> Still it would do no harm to check. I'll send you something later on today.
>
> Michael
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Patterson
> Sent: 09 February 2017 15:20
> To: finale
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
>
> If you want to send me a copy of the problem file privately, I'll be 
> glad to see what I can see about it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Michael Withers < 
> mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Robert. I'll double check the 'Set current lyric' settings 
> > but I think it's unlikely to be the cause as I have the same problem 
> > on
> > v25 AND on 2014 and 2014.5.
> >
> > I've already tried all the usual rebooting PC and restarting Finale 
> > tricks to no avail.
> >
> > Thanks anyway
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> > Behalf Of Robert Patterson
> > Sent: 09 February 2017 13:50
> > To: finale
> > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> >
> > I've seen this problem, or similar, in Fin 25. Whatever causes the 
> > lyrics disappear seems random, but usually I can restore them with 
> > Undo, provided I go back far enough. You might also try restarting 
> > Finale or even the computer. (I sometimes have to restart the 
> > computer for playback issues.)
> >
> > But your problem sounds like a simpler issue. Are you certain that 
> > "Set Current Lyric" is set to the same verse/chorus/section number 
> > as you are expecting? There is some strange behavior around this 
> > feature and it is worth checking.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:40 AM, Michael Withers < 
> > mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John and Christopher,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a 
> > > marvellous resource and worth sharing more widely.
> > >
> > > Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en.
> > > This one works best with single words or shorter texts but has the 
> > > advantage of allowing hyphenation in many different languages.
> > >
> > > However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my
> > problem:
> > > I can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool 
> > > edit window!!
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Michael Withers
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> > > Behalf Of John Roberts
> > > Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
> > > To: finale@shsu.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> > >
> > > You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long 
> > > ago, and use it all the time. Very useful.
> > > JR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <
> > > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. 
> > > > Often,
> > > hitting Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> > > >
> > > > My contribution is to provide you with this website, which 
> > > > offers
> > > automatic hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this 
> > > window, hit the Hyphenate button, then copy them back out and 
> > > paste them into the Finale lyrics window. You still have to check them 
> > > (“Bless-ed”
> > > instead of “blessed”, for example) but it saves a ton of work.
> > > >
> > >

[Finale] hourly rates for 2017

[Michael Wittenburg]

I was curious as to what those of you who use hourly billing are currently 
charging in your various regions. I switched from a per page rate to hourly a 
few years ago, with progressively increasing rates starting with straight 
engraving of existing parts and scores, to arranging, to audio transcription, 
to actual composition. If anyone would care to share any of their thoughts 
about this either publicly on the list or with me privately off list, I would 
welcome any and all comments. I'm trying to be careful about setting my rates 
in a healthy range that is neither lower than the industry standard yet not at 
the highest level, either, and thank everyone in advance for their ideas.

Michael Wittenburg


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Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Hi Robert,

Many thanks for the offer but it seems to be a general thing. I have exactly 
the same behaviour if I start a completely new test file. Still it would do no 
harm to check. I'll send you something later on today.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Robert Patterson
Sent: 09 February 2017 15:20
To: finale
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

If you want to send me a copy of the problem file privately, I'll be glad to 
see what I can see about it.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Michael Withers < mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Thanks Robert. I'll double check the 'Set current lyric' settings but 
> I think it's unlikely to be the cause as I have the same problem on 
> v25 AND on 2014 and 2014.5.
>
> I've already tried all the usual rebooting PC and restarting Finale 
> tricks to no avail.
>
> Thanks anyway
>
> Michael
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Patterson
> Sent: 09 February 2017 13:50
> To: finale
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
>
> I've seen this problem, or similar, in Fin 25. Whatever causes the 
> lyrics disappear seems random, but usually I can restore them with 
> Undo, provided I go back far enough. You might also try restarting 
> Finale or even the computer. (I sometimes have to restart the computer 
> for playback issues.)
>
> But your problem sounds like a simpler issue. Are you certain that 
> "Set Current Lyric" is set to the same verse/chorus/section number as 
> you are expecting? There is some strange behavior around this feature 
> and it is worth checking.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:40 AM, Michael Withers < 
> mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi John and Christopher,
> >
> > Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a marvellous 
> > resource and worth sharing more widely.
> >
> > Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en. 
> > This one works best with single words or shorter texts but has the 
> > advantage of allowing hyphenation in many different languages.
> >
> > However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my
> problem:
> > I can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool 
> > edit window!!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Michael Withers
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> > Behalf Of John Roberts
> > Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
> > To: finale@shsu.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> >
> > You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long ago, 
> > and use it all the time. Very useful.
> > JR
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <
> > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Michael,
> > >
> > > I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often,
> > hitting Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> > >
> > > My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers
> > automatic hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window, 
> > hit the Hyphenate button, then copy them back out and paste them 
> > into the Finale lyrics window. You still have to check them (“Bless-ed”
> > instead of “blessed”, for example) but it saves a ton of work.
> > >
> > > http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/
> > >
> > > Christopher
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers <
> > mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dear all,
> > >>
> > >> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help 
> > >> with this problem, or at least point me in the right direction
> > >>
> > >> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
> > >>
> > >> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way 
> > >> (couple of glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or 
> > >> me not being
> > careful).
> > >> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics 
> > >> Window, insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign 
> > >> the lyrics to the score.
> > >>
> > >> Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very str

Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Thanks Robert. I'll double check the 'Set current lyric' settings but I think 
it's unlikely to be the cause as I have the same problem on v25 AND on 2014 and 
2014.5.

I've already tried all the usual rebooting PC and restarting Finale tricks to 
no avail.

Thanks anyway

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Robert Patterson
Sent: 09 February 2017 13:50
To: finale
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

I've seen this problem, or similar, in Fin 25. Whatever causes the lyrics 
disappear seems random, but usually I can restore them with Undo, provided I go 
back far enough. You might also try restarting Finale or even the computer. (I 
sometimes have to restart the computer for playback issues.)

But your problem sounds like a simpler issue. Are you certain that "Set Current 
Lyric" is set to the same verse/chorus/section number as you are expecting? 
There is some strange behavior around this feature and it is worth checking.



On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:40 AM, Michael Withers < mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Hi John and Christopher,
>
> Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a marvellous 
> resource and worth sharing more widely.
>
> Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en. This 
> one works best with single words or shorter texts but has the 
> advantage of allowing hyphenation in many different languages.
>
> However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my problem:
> I can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool edit 
> window!!
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael Withers
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of John Roberts
> Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
>
> You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long ago, 
> and use it all the time. Very useful.
> JR
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often,
> hitting Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> >
> > My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers
> automatic hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window, 
> hit the Hyphenate button, then copy them back out and paste them into 
> the Finale lyrics window. You still have to check them (“Bless-ed” 
> instead of “blessed”, for example) but it saves a ton of work.
> >
> > http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> >
> >> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers <
> mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help 
> >> with this problem, or at least point me in the right direction
> >>
> >> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
> >>
> >> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way 
> >> (couple of glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me 
> >> not being
> careful).
> >> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics 
> >> Window, insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the 
> >> lyrics to the score.
> >>
> >> Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I 
> >> copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click 
> >> assign' button the lyrics I have pasted disappear. Vanished!
> >>
> >> If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO 
> >> appear in the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their 
> >> connection to the score, i.e. if I then make a change in the lyrics 
> >> using the edit window, the changes ARE NOT reflected in the score.
> >>
> >> I checked the other versions of Finale that I keep installed for 
> >> emergencies
> >> (2014 and 2014.5) and they exhibit exactly the same errors.
> >>
> >> So I tried the version of 2014 that I keep on a laptop for 
> >> emergencies - and that works just fine, exactly as expected.
> >>
> >> I guess this means the problem is with my main PC or with something 
> >> in some software or other that has updated itself recently. Yes, 
> >> I've already tried rebooting the PC (many times!) and deleting the 
> >> preferences and starting again.
> >&

Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Hi John and Christopher,

Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a marvellous resource 
and worth sharing more widely.

Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en. This one 
works best with single words or shorter texts but has the advantage of allowing 
hyphenation in many different languages.

However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my problem: I 
can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool edit window!!

Thanks

Michael Withers

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
John Roberts
Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long ago, and use it 
all the time. Very useful.
JR



> On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith 
> <christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often, hitting 
> Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> 
> My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers automatic 
> hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window, hit the Hyphenate 
> button, then copy them back out and paste them into the Finale lyrics window. 
> You still have to check them (“Bless-ed” instead of “blessed”, for example) 
> but it saves a ton of work.
> 
> http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
>> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers 
>> <mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help 
>> with this problem, or at least point me in the right direction
>> 
>> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
>> 
>> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way (couple 
>> of glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me not being 
>> careful).
>> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics 
>> Window, insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the 
>> lyrics to the score.
>> 
>> Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I copy/paste 
>> lyrics into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click assign' button the 
>> lyrics I have pasted disappear. Vanished!
>> 
>> If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO 
>> appear in the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their 
>> connection to the score, i.e. if I then make a change in the lyrics 
>> using the edit window, the changes ARE NOT reflected in the score.
>> 
>> I checked the other versions of Finale that I keep installed for 
>> emergencies
>> (2014 and 2014.5) and they exhibit exactly the same errors.
>> 
>> So I tried the version of 2014 that I keep on a laptop for 
>> emergencies - and that works just fine, exactly as expected.
>> 
>> I guess this means the problem is with my main PC or with something 
>> in some software or other that has updated itself recently. Yes, I've 
>> already tried rebooting the PC (many times!) and deleting the 
>> preferences and starting again.
>> 
>> Has anyone else experienced this problem or can suggest where I could 
>> look to find the cause?
>> 
>> I am on Windows 10 with an i5 processor and NVIDIA GeForce graphics 
>> card
>> 
>> The setup has been working fine until today and I have been working 
>> with Finale since 1998!!
>> 
>> Any pointers much appreciated
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Michael Withers
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Hi Christopher,

Many thanks for your suggestion but in this instance 'undo' does nothing and 
the lyrics remain doggedly missing!

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Smith
Sent: 09 February 2017 00:14
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

Hi Michael,

I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often, hitting Undo 
restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.

My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers automatic 
hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window, hit the Hyphenate 
button, then copy them back out and paste them into the Finale lyrics window. 
You still have to check them (“Bless-ed” instead of “blessed”, for example) but 
it saves a ton of work.

http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/

Christopher


> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers 
> <mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help with 
> this problem, or at least point me in the right direction
> 
> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
> 
> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way (couple 
> of glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me not being 
> careful).
> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics 
> Window, insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the 
> lyrics to the score.
> 
> Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I copy/paste 
> lyrics into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click assign' button the 
> lyrics I have pasted disappear. Vanished!
> 
> If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO 
> appear in the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their 
> connection to the score, i.e. if I then make a change in the lyrics 
> using the edit window, the changes ARE NOT reflected in the score.
> 
> I checked the other versions of Finale that I keep installed for 
> emergencies
> (2014 and 2014.5) and they exhibit exactly the same errors.
> 
> So I tried the version of 2014 that I keep on a laptop for emergencies 
> - and that works just fine, exactly as expected.
> 
> I guess this means the problem is with my main PC or with something in 
> some software or other that has updated itself recently. Yes, I've 
> already tried rebooting the PC (many times!) and deleting the 
> preferences and starting again.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this problem or can suggest where I could 
> look to find the cause?
> 
> I am on Windows 10 with an i5 processor and NVIDIA GeForce graphics 
> card
> 
> The setup has been working fine until today and I have been working 
> with Finale since 1998!!
> 
> Any pointers much appreciated
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Michael Withers
> 
> 
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[Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Dear all,

I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help with this
problem, or at least point me in the right direction

Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.

Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way (couple of
glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me not being careful).
My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics Window,
insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the lyrics to the
score.

Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I copy/paste lyrics
into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click assign' button the lyrics I have
pasted disappear. Vanished! 

If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO appear in
the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their connection to the
score, i.e. if I then make a change in the lyrics using the edit window, the
changes ARE NOT reflected in the score.

I checked the other versions of Finale that I keep installed for emergencies
(2014 and 2014.5) and they exhibit exactly the same errors.

So I tried the version of 2014 that I keep on a laptop for emergencies - and
that works just fine, exactly as expected.

I guess this means the problem is with my main PC or with something in some
software or other that has updated itself recently. Yes, I've already tried
rebooting the PC (many times!) and deleting the preferences and starting
again.

Has anyone else experienced this problem or can suggest where I could look
to find the cause?

I am on Windows 10 with an i5 processor and NVIDIA GeForce graphics card

The setup has been working fine until today and I have been working with
Finale since 1998!!

Any pointers much appreciated

Best wishes

Michael Withers



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Re: [Finale] Printer question

[Michael Wittenburg]

I, too, have a Brother laser printer; I got the duplexing one. This has ended 
any and all trips to Kinkos for me, and I'm even not afraid if someone sends me 
a whole score to print out; this will handle it.


I will say that my model (HL-L234DDW) had a habit of going into "deep sleep" 
when I was running it in wireless mode, and would become unresponsive to new 
print jobs. By plugging it back in to my desktop with a USB cable, it seems to 
have stopped that from happening. It should still receive "air printing" 
requests, though, since it's recognized by my network.


This is definitely under $100; you can snag it sometimes for around $80.

Michael Wittenburg


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From: Jazz-sax <ericd...@jazz-sax.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:42 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Printer question

Maybe this? I have it and it's a great little printer

http://9to5toys.com/2017/01/16/brother-laser-printer-bh-deal/


Sent from my iSomething
--
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http://www.ericdannewitz.com

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 4:03 AM, Andrew Levin <ale...@clemson.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi, all,
>
> I have a general question about printers:
>
> My old HP 4000N is finally seeing its last days. It's been a great workhorse 
> for a long time. I originally paid about $1300, and I recall needing/wanting 
> Postscript printing for Finale, networking for my home network, monochrome 
> (color might be fun but I don't have a regular need for it), laser printing, 
> and decent resolution (600x600). I'll print maybe 100-200 pages a week at 
> most.
>
> My needs are modest - letter and legal size, decent speed, decent output (I'm 
> not a publisher). I don't need Postscript for Finale, right? I can add a new 
> printer to my network via USB and share it with my son's computer (we're an 
> Apple household) or even make it available wirelessly. Resolution and print 
> speed seem to match or exceed my trusty HP. The new printers even provide the 
> ability to print from my mobile devices which, though not necessary, is 
> handy; and at less than $100, the price is right.
>
> Am I missing something? Can these inexpensive printers satisfy my needs? I've 
> seen the output and print speed and I'm pretty impressed. If I did spend more 
> money, what more would I get for it?
>
> My priority is getting a printer for Finale (thus my query to the Finale 
> List). Thanks in advance for your comments.
>
> Andrew Levin
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Re: [Finale] Xenakis to Finale

[Michael Good]

Hi Robert,

MaxScore exports from Max to MusicXML. But I'm not very familiar with the Max 
world, so I'm not sure if that really helps in this situation.

There's more information about MaxScore at 
http://www.computermusicnotation.com/ <http://www.computermusicnotation.com/>, 
and more about the 220+ applications that support MusicXML at 
http://www.musicxml.com/software/ <http://www.musicxml.com/software/>.

Best regards,

Michael Good
VP of MusicXML Technologies
MakeMusic, Inc.

> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:06:37 -0600
> From: Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
> Subject: [Finale] Xenakis to Finale
> 
> A friend recently asked me what I know about the technology Xenakis
> developed and used, and I realized I knew almost nothing. I did some
> digging about Stochos and UPIC. It seems Stochos lives on as a Max/MSP
> patch and perhaps also an AST plugin. UPIC has descendants called Iannix
> and HighC.
> 
> My question for the list is, does anyone know of a system that transcribes
> output from these systems as notation files? MusicXML for example? Are
> there specific online resources other than Wikipedia and the Google to
> which I could refer my friend?

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[Finale] NYC (or Philly) Recording Studio With Sound Library Recommendation?

[Michael Dutka]

Hope this is an appropriate query for this list group, withdrawn and
apologies if not.

Long story short, got permission from a publisher to turn a children's book
into an opera. Writing the opera, as we all know, was the easy part.

As a next step, I wanted a recording, so the publisher could include a CD
with the book, hopefully getting little people interested in opera at an
early age.

Used a recording engineer I'd worked with in the past, with a simple but
very rugged system that let him record human voices over enhanced
instruments generated from my MIDI files.

He said he had a new system that was 10x more sophisticated, so
sophisticated in fact that it was_terrible! And finally, it crashed, taking
all my voice recordings and all past work with it. So, I need to start from
scratch.

Need someone with the capacity to import my Finale (or MIDI) files, record
the (two) singers and produce .mp3's we could use for a final CD. The whole
piece is fairly short, 18 minutes, score for a standard orchestra
(woodwinds in pairs, 4 horns, 2 trumpets, 3 trombones and tuba, strings
and_lots of percussion).

And something hopefully not outrageously expensive, but I do need something
that'll sound professional, and I know I'll have to pay for it.

Ideally in NYC, but Philly could work as well. Any suggestions deeply
appreciated, thanks and best,

Mike
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[Finale] Merging Documents Revisited (Robert Patterson)

[Michael Dutka]

>
>
> A few weeks ago I posed a question to the list about the best way to merge
> documents. I got some interesting responses. I was ultimately unsatisfied
> with the range of options available, so I decided give myself (and by
> extension, everyone else) some more.
>
> The result of these labors is included in a new release of my plugin
> collection 5.05. As part of the release, I included a documentation page on
> strategies for merging documents, including opting to merge PDFs instead. I
> think I included most of the ideas expressed in that thread, but if the
> collective wisdom of the list has suggestions, additions, or corrections, I
> would be interested in hearing them.
>
> The page is at:
>
> http://robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/-forcefull/-mergedoc/mergedoc.html
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>

Looks impressive, and based on the work you've done I can see why you
wouldn't consider merging .pdf's as an ideal solution.

I'm assuming all the Finale protocols as well as your plugin collection
treat rehearsal letters the same way as measure #'s, beginning again at
each new section.

Best,
Mike
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[Finale] Third question of the day - transposing parts

[Michael Lawlor]

Finale 2014.5

I prefer to have my scores at concert pitch; in older versions of Finale 
the extracted parts would automatically be converted to transposed parts 
but the 2014.5 does not do this.  Again, are the options hidden 
somewhere new or has the function been removed?

Regards,

Michael Lawlor

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[Finale] Part Names

[Michael Lawlor]

Finale 2014.5

(These problems always come in groups.)

My old version of Finale used to create part names at the top of the 
page, the new one does not.  I have looked through the formatting 
options in the part extraction but cannot find an option to generate the 
part name.  Is this possible anymore?

Regards,

Michael Lawlor

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[Finale] Multimeasure Rests

[Michael Lawlor]

Finale 2014.5

Even though I have specified the parameters for creating multimeasure 
rests in the part extraction dialogue, I do not get multimeasure rests 
and have to create them manually in each part. Does this work or is 
there something I might be missing?

Happy New Year,

Michael Lawlor

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Re: [Finale] Instruments.txt

[Michael Dutka]

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:47:02 +0100
From: Michael <launay-c...@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [Finale] Instruments.txt?
To: <finale@shsu.edu>
Message-ID: <e2d67363-9d96-4b31-ad23-d2851f535...@gmx.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Instrument.txt did indeed disappear in Finale 2012, but you still need it
if you want to run 2010.

Michael Dutka: if you need a copy of this file for Finale 2010, I can send
you one: just let me know.

Best wishes,
Michael

That would be_so great. Thank you so much. My e-mail is mikedu...@gmail.com
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Re: [Finale] Instruments.txt?

[Michael]

Instrument.txt did indeed disappear in Finale 2012, but you still need it if 
you want to run 2010. 

Michael Dutka: if you need a copy of this file for Finale 2010, I can send you 
one: just let me know.

Best wishes,
Michael

> On 19 Dec 2016, at 18:28, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya <rjunch...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> AFAIK, Instruments.txt does not longer exist. Instrument definitions are
> hardwired and compiled and determined by the programmers, we no longer have
> an option to define instruments.
> 
> R.
> 
> On 12 December 2016 at 22:39, Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 02:01:51 +0100
>> From: SN jef chippewa <shirl...@newmusicnotation.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Instruments.txt?
>> To: <finale@shsu.edu>
>> Message-ID: <768478932.76549.1481331712...@email.1und1.de>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> check that your finale Preferences/Folders/Configuration Files (on
>> F2014.5,
>> names are different on F2010) are set to look up the file in the right
>> place.
>> 
>> Thanks for your reply. Checked all the files and can't find a file anywhere
>> that looks like instruments.txt. Probably upgrading soon, just have a few
>> files to go before that and have all the instruments I need in existing
>> templates, so not crucial, but if there is a way to get that
>> instruments.txt file from 2010, be great to know.
>> 
>> Thanks again and best,
>> Mike
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[Finale] Rachmaninoff Vocalise: a scanning/SmartScore Lite project

[Michael Wittenburg]

Dear Finale List,


My latest issue is a friend of mine who has created lyrics to the Vocalise, and 
I'm trying to turn it into a usable score for a singer to work from. My friend 
is an anesthesiologist, not a musician, and had been plunking (slowly) the 
Vocalise into his computer on Finale which he has mystifyingly decided to 
purchase and learn to at least be functional.


To save time/money for other projects, I asked him if he had another version 
around, and he replied his music professor nephew had it, but in Siblius. 
Problem solved, right? Just send me an .xml file and we're done!


And now, the rest of the story. I have just opened the file, and it is, 
unfortunately, ONLY the vocal line with lyrics, but no piano part. I really 
would like to avoid coding this in from scratch, but I would really like to 
have a fully fleshed out version to play from, and for the singer to see the 
full accompaniment. So, my question is about SmartScore Lite; is it necessary 
to actually print out a file and then put it into the scanner and then analyze? 
Is there a way to simply have the program analyze a .pdf file if I 
print-to-pdf? Will the SmartScan Lite be sufficient, or will I just create a 
huge repairing headache for myself? Is the non-Lite version that much more 
effective?


Ideally, it would be nice to get a hold of an .xml file of the actual song, so 
I could simply spend my efforts on adding the lyrics and fixing the layout 
issues, but I don't suppose one of those are around. It's unfortunately I'm 
going to have to reinvent the wheel a bit to make this project work, so I'm 
looking for the least painful solution.


Thanks in advance!

Michael Wittenburg


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Re: [Finale] Instruments.txt?

[Michael Dutka]

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 02:01:51 +0100
From: SN jef chippewa 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Instruments.txt?
To: 
Message-ID: <768478932.76549.1481331712...@email.1und1.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

check that your finale Preferences/Folders/Configuration Files (on F2014.5,
names are different on F2010) are set to look up the file in the right
place.

Thanks for your reply. Checked all the files and can't find a file anywhere
that looks like instruments.txt. Probably upgrading soon, just have a few
files to go before that and have all the instruments I need in existing
templates, so not crucial, but if there is a way to get that
instruments.txt file from 2010, be great to know.

Thanks again and best,
 Mike
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Re: [Finale] Reliable way to combine multiple files

[Michael Dutka]

Super unsophisticated user here, so please take this with a shaker-full of
salt, but I've been working on a long composition with a piano-reduction
that'll consist of 30 separate movements / .mus files.

Rather than combine files in Finale, my plan is to merely delete page
numbers from one set of files, then generate .pdf's of all 30 files.

Then I can combine the files and renumber the pages in Adobe Acrobat. I'll
have one long .pdf with page numbers from 1 to whatever, plus resetting
measure numbers in each movement that'll be completely consistent with the
measure numbers in the orchestra files.

If this is a good idea, happy to help, and if it's a bad idea, happy to be
told why.

FWIW. Best regards,
  Mike
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[Finale] Instruments.txt?

[Michael Dutka]

Hi folks. My 2011 Macbook Pro running Fin 2010 died. I got a new hard drive
and new logic board and reinstalled 2010.

Seems to be working ok, but when I try to create a new file with the Setup
Wizard, I get the following error message:

Finale could not start the Wizard because a necessary data file
(instruments.txt) could not be found in the Component Files folder.

I've searched for this file in Finder, and it doesn't seem to be there. Is
there any way to get this file without re-installing 2010? And if I do,
wouldn't I experience the same problem?

Any suggestions deeply appreciated,

Mike
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