[Finale] Finale 25

[Mariposa Symphony Orchestra]

Well.   Isn’t THIS not exciting...

http://www.finalemusic.com/products/finale/whats-new/?utm_source=responsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=25release&utm_content=upgrade

So few new features/enhancements.   And all for the NEW upgrade price of $149.

Well, at least it IS full 64-bit.   And claims bug fixes.   And...well, I was 
so thrilled I fell asleep while reading all the other touts.  Some interesting 
new Garritan sounds, including second violin KS.  Harp two.   Lots of other 
sounds that don’t much affect my needs, though.   Sorry to sound underwhelmed, 
but – there you have it.I might have been a little more excited had the 
price not been the most impressive thing about the “new” Finale.

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[Finale] Finale 25

[Martin Nickless]

Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading 
May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of finale 
I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
Would be good to know 

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[Finale] Finale 25

[Steve Parker]

I’ve been playing with the trial.
I can’t see any difference between that and 2014.5 other than telling me that 
Ambience is not supported.
Still no option to ‘reassign playback sounds' to Garritan. Still tells me it 
has unexpectedly quit when I quit it.
Still takes ages the first time I hit play.
The contoured dashed slurs look nicer but the large time signatures are clunky 
as hell for a new feature - the method (below) has more steps than my current 
kludge…
The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than dragged 
(as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue (which was fine) 
can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.

Not a very useful message, but I shall not take advantage of the $99 price..

Steve P.






Creating large time signatures is common in full conductor scores. You can 
create these in Finale using the EngraverTime font 
.
 This method assigns the large time signature to the score but doesn't affect 
linked parts. In this method, you'll create and apply a staff style to a score 
to hide the usual time signatures, then change the time signature font options. 
This example works best using a score with six or more staves. 

If you're viewing a linked part and not the score, choose Document > Edit Score.
Choose Plug-ins > Scoring and Arranging > Global Staff Attributes. The Global 
Staff Attributes plug-in 

 appears. 
Deselect Time signatures in score. Click OK.
Choose Document > Document Options. On the left, choose the Fonts category. The 
Document Options - Fonts dialog box 

 appears.
Next to Notation, select Time (Score). Click the Set Font button. The Font 
dialog box 
 
appears.
Choose EngraverTime, Regular, Size 48. Click OK.
Choose the Time Signatures category on the left. The Document Options - Time 
Signatures dialog box 

 appears.
Under Vertical Adjustment, in the Score column, set Top Symbol to 1" and Bottom 
Symbol to -.75", and click OK.
You may need to experiment with these values to suit the needs of your score.
Choose the Staff tool  
.
Click to the left of the third staff (to select the entire staff). Choose Staff 
> Edit Staff Attributes. The Staff Attributes dialog box 
 
appears.
Select Time signature in score. Click OK. The large time signature appears. 
Repeat the previous step on subsequent staves, spaced apart as needed.

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[Finale] Finale 25

[Lawrence Yates]

Does there exist somewhere in one place (without having to trawl through a
hundred emails) a list of good reasons for updating  (or not updating) from
Fin2012 to Fin25 (Windows)

Thanks,

Lawrence

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[Finale] finale 25

[Lawrence Yates]

Hi,

I've just bought and installed Finale25 windows.  the programme runs but
Garritan appears not to be there.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Lawrence


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[Finale] Finale 25

[Martin Nickless]

Hi there to all
I was wondering if any experience finale users 
Would be interested in coaching me on finale 
I’m not a novice as I use it all the time 
In my work /projects 
I’m on windows 10 and are use midi keyboard for entry
My aim is to use finale and increased the speed that I currently work at
I was thinking maybe Skype I could discuss payment via PayPal etc 
Kind regards to all
Martin


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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, August 16, 2016 2:57 pm, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
> Well.   Isn’t THIS not exciting...

> http://www.finalemusic.com/products/finale/whats-new/?utm_source=responsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=25release&utm_content=upgrade


I had the same reaction -- especially to the upgrade price, with no early-bird
discounts.

No news on plugins either, and I don't see any info on Speedy entry (the only
method I use).

I think I'll be skipping this version ... at least until reports are in from
victi... users. :)

Dennis





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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[j...@thomastudios.com]

To be honest, for me, new features are at the bottom of my wishlist.  I need 
Finale to run FASTER, especially with larger files, and more of the existing 
bugs quashed.  Anyone know if a demo version is available to try?

Robert, I found your discussion about internals within Finale most compelling.  
Please feel free to enlighten us more with those techoid details.


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> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz  
> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, August 16, 2016 2:57 pm, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
>> Well.   Isn’t THIS not exciting...
> 
>> http://www.finalemusic.com/products/finale/whats-new/?utm_source=responsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=25release&utm_content=upgrade
> 
> 
> I had the same reaction -- especially to the upgrade price, with no early-bird
> discounts.
> 
> No news on plugins either, and I don't see any info on Speedy entry (the only
> method I use).
> 
> I think I'll be skipping this version ... at least until reports are in from
> victi... users. :)
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[j...@thomastudios.com]

Never mind, found it.

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> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:05 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
> 
> Anyone know if a demo version is available to try?

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Ryan Beard]

They said in the announcement that there's a 30 day free trial available. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:05 PM, "j...@thomastudios.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> To be honest, for me, new features are at the bottom of my wishlist.  I need 
> Finale to run FASTER, especially with larger files, and more of the existing 
> bugs quashed.  Anyone know if a demo version is available to try?
> 
> Robert, I found your discussion about internals within Finale most 
> compelling.  Please feel free to enlighten us more with those techoid details.
> 
> 
> ***
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, August 16, 2016 2:57 pm, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
>>> Well.   Isn’t THIS not exciting...
>> 
>>> http://www.finalemusic.com/products/finale/whats-new/?utm_source=responsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=25release&utm_content=upgrade
>> 
>> 
>> I had the same reaction -- especially to the upgrade price, with no 
>> early-bird
>> discounts.
>> 
>> No news on plugins either, and I don't see any info on Speedy entry (the only
>> method I use).
>> 
>> I think I'll be skipping this version ... at least until reports are in from
>> victi... users. :)
>> 
>> Dennis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Justin Phillips]

Yeah, looks to be updated here: http://www.finalemusic.com/free-trial/

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Ryan Beard  wrote:

> They said in the announcement that there's a 30 day free trial available.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:05 PM, "j...@thomastudios.com" 
> > 
> wrote:
> >
> > To be honest, for me, new features are at the bottom of my wishlist.  I
> need Finale to run FASTER, especially with larger files, and more of the
> existing bugs quashed.  Anyone know if a demo version is available to try?
> >
> > Robert, I found your discussion about internals within Finale most
> compelling.  Please feel free to enlighten us more with those techoid
> details.
> >
> >
> > ***
> > J D Thomas
> > ThomaStudios
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, August 16, 2016 2:57 pm, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
> >>> Well.   Isn’t THIS not exciting...
> >>
> >>> http://www.finalemusic.com/products/finale/whats-new/?
> utm_source=responsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=
> 25release&utm_content=upgrade
> >>
> >>
> >> I had the same reaction -- especially to the upgrade price, with no
> early-bird
> >> discounts.
> >>
> >> No news on plugins either, and I don't see any info on Speedy entry
> (the only
> >> method I use).
> >>
> >> I think I'll be skipping this version ... at least until reports are in
> from
> >> victi... users. :)
> >>
> >> Dennis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Craig Parmerlee]

The company forum seems to be down.  When one goes to 
http://forum.makemusic.com

It comes back with "Your IP Address is banned from accessing this forum."

I got the same result when using a proxy from the Netherlands, so 
something is wrong.

Personally, I'll probably upgrade, hoping that there are enough bug 
fixes in HP and elsewhere to make it worthwhile.  But I would like to 
see some comments before I pay for the upgrade.

Also, there have been some occasions where ReWire support might have 
come in handy.  The recent editions of SONAR have great support for 
automatically generating a tempo map from recorded audio.  With ReWire I 
can use SONAR to play a recorded program and then have Finale play 
additional parts I created new.  This would save me the time of having 
to re-enter all the prior material into Finale to get combined playback. 
  I realize there are several ways to skin that cat, but ReWire would be 
a nice option to have available.

Mostly I am grateful that they maintained MUSX file level compatibility.



On 8/16/2016 3:06 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
> Never mind, found it.
>
> ***
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> ThomaStudios
>
>
>
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:05 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know if a demo version is available to try?
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Raymond Horton]

I don't suppose there is .Mus file capability?

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016


On Aug 16, 2016 3:25 PM, "Craig Parmerlee"  wrote:

> The company forum seems to be down.  When one goes to
> http://forum.makemusic.com
>
> It comes back with "Your IP Address is banned from accessing this forum."
>
> I got the same result when using a proxy from the Netherlands, so
> something is wrong.
>
> Personally, I'll probably upgrade, hoping that there are enough bug
> fixes in HP and elsewhere to make it worthwhile.  But I would like to
> see some comments before I pay for the upgrade.
>
> Also, there have been some occasions where ReWire support might have
> come in handy.  The recent editions of SONAR have great support for
> automatically generating a tempo map from recorded audio.  With ReWire I
> can use SONAR to play a recorded program and then have Finale play
> additional parts I created new.  This would save me the time of having
> to re-enter all the prior material into Finale to get combined playback.
>   I realize there are several ways to skin that cat, but ReWire would be
> a nice option to have available.
>
> Mostly I am grateful that they maintained MUSX file level compatibility.
>
>
>
> On 8/16/2016 3:06 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
> > Never mind, found it.
> >
> > ***
> > J D Thomas
> > ThomaStudios
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:05 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone know if a demo version is available to try?
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[SN jef chippewa]

well i for one would cough up my hard-earned 
money for a finale upgrade just knowing that 
Weird Al Yankovic is the standard reference for 
what a notation software is capable of!  congrats 
finale for bringing yourself out of the ®Finale 
Water Bottle and ®Finale T-Shirt era!

"Finale gives me all the flexibility I need to do 
notation for even my most ridiculous 
arrangements."
-"Weird Al" Yankovic, Grammy Award-winning 
singer-songwriter, parodist, producer

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[S Jones]

The demo still has 2012 backwards export ability.

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, Raymond Horton 
wrote:

> I don't suppose there is .Mus file capability?
>
> Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2016 3:25 PM, "Craig Parmerlee"  > wrote:
>
> > The company forum seems to be down.  When one goes to
> > http://forum.makemusic.com
> >
> > It comes back with "Your IP Address is banned from accessing this forum."
> >
> > I got the same result when using a proxy from the Netherlands, so
> > something is wrong.
> >
> > Personally, I'll probably upgrade, hoping that there are enough bug
> > fixes in HP and elsewhere to make it worthwhile.  But I would like to
> > see some comments before I pay for the upgrade.
> >
> > Also, there have been some occasions where ReWire support might have
> > come in handy.  The recent editions of SONAR have great support for
> > automatically generating a tempo map from recorded audio.  With ReWire I
> > can use SONAR to play a recorded program and then have Finale play
> > additional parts I created new.  This would save me the time of having
> > to re-enter all the prior material into Finale to get combined playback.
> >   I realize there are several ways to skin that cat, but ReWire would be
> > a nice option to have available.
> >
> > Mostly I am grateful that they maintained MUSX file level compatibility.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/16/2016 3:06 PM, j...@thomastudios.com  wrote:
> > > Never mind, found it.
> > >
> > > ***
> > > J D Thomas
> > > ThomaStudios
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:05 PM, j...@thomastudios.com 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Anyone know if a demo version is available to try?
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[David H. Bailey]

On 8/16/2016 3:00 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> On Tue, August 16, 2016 2:57 pm, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
>> Well.   Isn’t THIS not exciting...
>
>> http://www.finalemusic.com/products/finale/whats-new/?utm_source=responsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=25release&utm_content=upgrade
>
>
> I had the same reaction -- especially to the upgrade price, with no early-bird
> discounts.
>
> No news on plugins either, and I don't see any info on Speedy entry (the only
> method I use).
>
[snip]

What really hurts about the upgrade price is that it's the same as a 
crossgrade price from a competitor's product, so people who have never 
used Finale before but who have used Sibelius pay only the same amount 
that we faithful Finale users pay for this new(?) version of Finale. 
How's that for corporate loyalty to its customers?


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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Eric Dannewitz]

Though Weird Al’s what, almost 40 year career means nothing? I think it’s fine 
if he is used in their marketing. It would be better if someone from say Hans 
Zimmerman’s or John Williams scoring/music production team was the quote…..but 
I don’t think Weird Al is the level of T-Shirt and Water bottle…….


> On Aug 16, 2016, at 3:32 PM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> well i for one would cough up my hard-earned 
> money for a finale upgrade just knowing that 
> Weird Al Yankovic is the standard reference for 
> what a notation software is capable of!  congrats 
> finale for bringing yourself out of the ®Finale 
> Water Bottle and ®Finale T-Shirt era!
> 
> "Finale gives me all the flexibility I need to do 
> notation for even my most ridiculous 
> arrangements."
> -"Weird Al" Yankovic, Grammy Award-winning 
> singer-songwriter, parodist, producer
> 
> -- 
> 
> neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation
> [JAN 2016] v. 1.002 for Finale 2014.5 and PC
> http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html
> 
> shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[SN jef chippewa]

i'm not talking about his music because this is a notation software list :-)

i simply don't think weird all is a notational 
reference for any milieu, not just if they are 
trying to prove (as seems to be an important 
concern in their marketing) that FIN is THAT much 
better than SIB.


>Though Weird Al¹s what, almost 40 year career 
>means nothing? I think it¹s fine if he is used 
>in their marketing. It would be better if 
>someone from say Hans Zimmerman¹s or John 
>Williams scoring/music production team was the 
>quoteŠ..but I don¹t think Weird Al is the level 
>of T-Shirt and Water bottleŠŠ.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Craig Parmerlee]

Well, if it is any consolation, the content of V25 is not going to draw 
a lot of people to crossgrade.

It isn't as if a person wavering about the switch would say "Wow, a 
didgeridoo?  I guess I had better make the switch."



On 8/16/2016 6:55 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:

> What really hurts about the upgrade price is that it's the same as a
> crossgrade price from a competitor's product, so people who have never
> used Finale before but who have used Sibelius pay only the same amount
> that we faithful Finale users pay for this new(?) version of Finale.
> How's that for corporate loyalty to its customers?
>
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[Finale] Finale 25 test

[j...@thomastudios.com]

I installed the demo version of Finale, since MM said it’s fully functional for 
30 days.

I opened an opera file that has been causing distress lately.  A big file, 
7.5mb for Finale, nearly 1400 measures, orchestra and about 24 vocal 
characters.  Opening the file took a bit less time than Finale 2014 or 14.5.  
Saving the file again took about 13 seconds vs about 20 on older versions.

Then I decided to seemingly tax the application some.  I tried insert one 
measure stack around m26; totally arbitrary.  After 11 minutes I force quit the 
program.  Don’t have time for this shit.

So far, I am not impressed at all.  I was hoping 64bit would make a difference, 
but not much as far as I’ve gotten.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Raymond Horton]

To answer my own question, yes Finale 25 still has the export to 2012
function. This is a good thing, at least for me , because this large file I
am working on is still rather slow in the new version, though decidedly
faster than 2014.5. Windows 10, by the way.

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016


On Aug 16, 2016 6:31 PM, "Raymond Horton"  wrote:

I don't suppose there is .Mus file capability?

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016


On Aug 16, 2016 3:25 PM, "Craig Parmerlee"  wrote:

> The company forum seems to be down.  When one goes to
> http://forum.makemusic.com
>
> It comes back with "Your IP Address is banned from accessing this forum."
>
> I got the same result when using a proxy from the Netherlands, so
> something is wrong.
>
> Personally, I'll probably upgrade, hoping that there are enough bug
> fixes in HP and elsewhere to make it worthwhile.  But I would like to
> see some comments before I pay for the upgrade.
>
> Also, there have been some occasions where ReWire support might have
> come in handy.  The recent editions of SONAR have great support for
> automatically generating a tempo map from recorded audio.  With ReWire I
> can use SONAR to play a recorded program and then have Finale play
> additional parts I created new.  This would save me the time of having
> to re-enter all the prior material into Finale to get combined playback.
>   I realize there are several ways to skin that cat, but ReWire would be
> a nice option to have available.
>
> Mostly I am grateful that they maintained MUSX file level compatibility.
>
>
>
> On 8/16/2016 3:06 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
> > Never mind, found it.
> >
> > ***
> > J D Thomas
> > ThomaStudios
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:05 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone know if a demo version is available to try?
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

Hi Martin,

I would definitely recommend you to upgrade to the new version. 64-bit support 
and faster playback are extremely important for a good and fast workflow. 

If you only do some minor things with Finale, sticking with Finale 2012 might 
be ok, but I think, if you work professionally and want to work with Finale, 
one also needs to support the company who puts effort into maintaining the 
program. I have the impression that since Mark Adler took over the leadership, 
they have changed their policy and now focus on developing it into a software 
which is ready for the future.

I though would wait until they have fixed the printing issue (which won’t take 
too long, I guess … and hope). I know this is annoying but believe me, the last 
Sibelius upgrade didn’t work and it took a few days as well, before they had 
changed the installer.

Best
Raphael.

> Am 24.08.2016 um 12:08 schrieb Martin Nickless :
> 
> 
> Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading 
> May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of finale 
> I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
> I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
> Would be good to know 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Christopher Smith]

There are complaints in every version. The question is whether you can live 
with them. If 2012 works for you (it won’t install on my new Mac) it apparently 
is quicker than 2014, 2014.5 or v. 25, so you could stick with it. The files 
can be shared with other users of newer versions, and they can save in 2012 
file format, so that issue is taken care of.

Christopher


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> 
> 
> Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading 
> May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of finale 
> I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
> I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
> Would be good to know 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Robert Patterson]

I don't think 2012 is faster than 25. It may be roughly comparable. Where
25 really blows away the earlier versions is in starting up human playback.

I also wouldn't let the print dialog issues stop you from upgrading. Though
the issues are annoying and glaring, there are workarounds. The actual
print quality is fine. (I'm pretty sure the print dialog issues are Mac
only.)

There are a number of significant improvements between Fin12 and Fin25. The
two big ones are 1) beat-attached smart shapes replaced meas-attached smart
shapes. This allows for much more precise placement in both score and
parts. 2) Special tool edits are unlinkable in parts. With these two
changes, linked parts are basically 98% fully functional.

Especially on Windows, I would not hesitate to upgrade from Fin12 to Fin25.

FWIW: The "2%" that's still missing from linked parts: unlinkable
horizontal offsets for mid-measure clefs, unlinkable vertical offsets for
rests, voiced parts recognize special tools edits, plugin edits in part
view unlink anything that can be unlinked manually.


On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith <
christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:

> There are complaints in every version. The question is whether you can
> live with them. If 2012 works for you (it won’t install on my new Mac) it
> apparently is quicker than 2014, 2014.5 or v. 25, so you could stick with
> it. The files can be shared with other users of newer versions, and they
> can save in 2012 file format, so that issue is taken care of.
>
> Christopher
>
>
> > On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Martin Nickless 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading
> > May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of finale
> > I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
> > I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
> > Would be good to know
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Thomas Schaller]

Robert,
deal breaker for me regarding linked parts is that you cannot copy certain 
things from measure to measure in linked parts. For instance, I often fine tune 
measure layouts in parts and if I have a part that repeats measures that 
individual edit cannot be copied to other measures - instead I have to try to 
make them look alike. If I remember correctly the same is true for things like 
trying to copy a slur shape from one measure to another. That complicates 
trying to achieve a professional look tremendously.

Has that been addressed as well? 
Thanks,
Thomas Schaller


On Aug 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Robert Patterson  
wrote:

> I don't think 2012 is faster than 25. It may be roughly comparable. Where
> 25 really blows away the earlier versions is in starting up human playback.
> 
> I also wouldn't let the print dialog issues stop you from upgrading. Though
> the issues are annoying and glaring, there are workarounds. The actual
> print quality is fine. (I'm pretty sure the print dialog issues are Mac
> only.)
> 
> There are a number of significant improvements between Fin12 and Fin25. The
> two big ones are 1) beat-attached smart shapes replaced meas-attached smart
> shapes. This allows for much more precise placement in both score and
> parts. 2) Special tool edits are unlinkable in parts. With these two
> changes, linked parts are basically 98% fully functional.
> 
> Especially on Windows, I would not hesitate to upgrade from Fin12 to Fin25.
> 
> FWIW: The "2%" that's still missing from linked parts: unlinkable
> horizontal offsets for mid-measure clefs, unlinkable vertical offsets for
> rests, voiced parts recognize special tools edits, plugin edits in part
> view unlink anything that can be unlinked manually.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> There are complaints in every version. The question is whether you can
>> live with them. If 2012 works for you (it won’t install on my new Mac) it
>> apparently is quicker than 2014, 2014.5 or v. 25, so you could stick with
>> it. The files can be shared with other users of newer versions, and they
>> can save in 2012 file format, so that issue is taken care of.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Martin Nickless 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading
>>> May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of finale
>>> I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
>>> I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
>>> Would be good to know
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Robert Patterson]

Thomas,

I address both of those issues with plugins. Copying slur shapes is trivial
with my Mass Copy plugin (both in score and parts). As for spacing, I
almost never manually modify spacing any more now that I have the Note
Spacing plugin (part of my plugin suite as well). Probably the number one
reason Note Spacing is so much better is that it has an option for
adjusting the spacing between ledger lines. It also has an option for
adjusting spacing after upstem flags. Even if you don't add any regions to
the list in Note Spacing, just the ledger line and upstem flags options are
worth the effort of using it.

And as long as I'm touting my plugins, another new one I'm so happy with
(for using myself) is Multimeasure Rests. It automatically adds space for
clefs, among many other addons to the built-in multimeasure rest options.


On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Thomas Schaller 
wrote:

> Robert,
> deal breaker for me regarding linked parts is that you cannot copy certain
> things from measure to measure in linked parts. For instance, I often fine
> tune measure layouts in parts and if I have a part that repeats measures
> that individual edit cannot be copied to other measures - instead I have to
> try to make them look alike. If I remember correctly the same is true for
> things like trying to copy a slur shape from one measure to another. That
> complicates trying to achieve a professional look tremendously.
>
> Has that been addressed as well?
> Thanks,
> Thomas Schaller
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Robert Patterson 
> wrote:
>
> > I don't think 2012 is faster than 25. It may be roughly comparable. Where
> > 25 really blows away the earlier versions is in starting up human
> playback.
> >
> > I also wouldn't let the print dialog issues stop you from upgrading.
> Though
> > the issues are annoying and glaring, there are workarounds. The actual
> > print quality is fine. (I'm pretty sure the print dialog issues are Mac
> > only.)
> >
> > There are a number of significant improvements between Fin12 and Fin25.
> The
> > two big ones are 1) beat-attached smart shapes replaced meas-attached
> smart
> > shapes. This allows for much more precise placement in both score and
> > parts. 2) Special tool edits are unlinkable in parts. With these two
> > changes, linked parts are basically 98% fully functional.
> >
> > Especially on Windows, I would not hesitate to upgrade from Fin12 to
> Fin25.
> >
> > FWIW: The "2%" that's still missing from linked parts: unlinkable
> > horizontal offsets for mid-measure clefs, unlinkable vertical offsets for
> > rests, voiced parts recognize special tools edits, plugin edits in part
> > view unlink anything that can be unlinked manually.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith <
> > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> There are complaints in every version. The question is whether you can
> >> live with them. If 2012 works for you (it won’t install on my new Mac)
> it
> >> apparently is quicker than 2014, 2014.5 or v. 25, so you could stick
> with
> >> it. The files can be shared with other users of newer versions, and they
> >> can save in 2012 file format, so that issue is taken care of.
> >>
> >> Christopher
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Martin Nickless 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading
> >>> May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of
> finale
> >>> I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
> >>> I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
> >>> Would be good to know
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Thomas Schaller]

alright - I’ll give it a try.
Thanks!
Thomas

On Aug 24, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Robert Patterson  
wrote:

> Thomas,
> 
> I address both of those issues with plugins. Copying slur shapes is trivial
> with my Mass Copy plugin (both in score and parts). As for spacing, I
> almost never manually modify spacing any more now that I have the Note
> Spacing plugin (part of my plugin suite as well). Probably the number one
> reason Note Spacing is so much better is that it has an option for
> adjusting the spacing between ledger lines. It also has an option for
> adjusting spacing after upstem flags. Even if you don't add any regions to
> the list in Note Spacing, just the ledger line and upstem flags options are
> worth the effort of using it.
> 
> And as long as I'm touting my plugins, another new one I'm so happy with
> (for using myself) is Multimeasure Rests. It automatically adds space for
> clefs, among many other addons to the built-in multimeasure rest options.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Thomas Schaller 
> wrote:
> 
>> Robert,
>> deal breaker for me regarding linked parts is that you cannot copy certain
>> things from measure to measure in linked parts. For instance, I often fine
>> tune measure layouts in parts and if I have a part that repeats measures
>> that individual edit cannot be copied to other measures - instead I have to
>> try to make them look alike. If I remember correctly the same is true for
>> things like trying to copy a slur shape from one measure to another. That
>> complicates trying to achieve a professional look tremendously.
>> 
>> Has that been addressed as well?
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas Schaller
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Robert Patterson 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think 2012 is faster than 25. It may be roughly comparable. Where
>>> 25 really blows away the earlier versions is in starting up human
>> playback.
>>> 
>>> I also wouldn't let the print dialog issues stop you from upgrading.
>> Though
>>> the issues are annoying and glaring, there are workarounds. The actual
>>> print quality is fine. (I'm pretty sure the print dialog issues are Mac
>>> only.)
>>> 
>>> There are a number of significant improvements between Fin12 and Fin25.
>> The
>>> two big ones are 1) beat-attached smart shapes replaced meas-attached
>> smart
>>> shapes. This allows for much more precise placement in both score and
>>> parts. 2) Special tool edits are unlinkable in parts. With these two
>>> changes, linked parts are basically 98% fully functional.
>>> 
>>> Especially on Windows, I would not hesitate to upgrade from Fin12 to
>> Fin25.
>>> 
>>> FWIW: The "2%" that's still missing from linked parts: unlinkable
>>> horizontal offsets for mid-measure clefs, unlinkable vertical offsets for
>>> rests, voiced parts recognize special tools edits, plugin edits in part
>>> view unlink anything that can be unlinked manually.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith <
>>> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> 
 There are complaints in every version. The question is whether you can
 live with them. If 2012 works for you (it won’t install on my new Mac)
>> it
 apparently is quicker than 2014, 2014.5 or v. 25, so you could stick
>> with
 it. The files can be shared with other users of newer versions, and they
 can save in 2012 file format, so that issue is taken care of.
 
 Christopher
 
 
> On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Martin Nickless 
 wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading
> May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of
>> finale
> I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
> I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
> Would be good to know
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Jan Angermüller]

Have you tried the "JW Copy Part Layout" plugin for copying layout 
things between linked parts ?
http://www.finaletips.nu/index.php/download/category/9-plug-ins-for-windows

Jan



Am 24.08.2016 um 15:45 schrieb Thomas Schaller:
> Robert,
> deal breaker for me regarding linked parts is that you cannot copy certain 
> things from measure to measure in linked parts. For instance, I often fine 
> tune measure layouts in parts and if I have a part that repeats measures that 
> individual edit cannot be copied to other measures - instead I have to try to 
> make them look alike. If I remember correctly the same is true for things 
> like trying to copy a slur shape from one measure to another. That 
> complicates trying to achieve a professional look tremendously.
>
> Has that been addressed as well?
> Thanks,
> Thomas Schaller
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think 2012 is faster than 25. It may be roughly comparable. Where
>> 25 really blows away the earlier versions is in starting up human playback.
>>
>> I also wouldn't let the print dialog issues stop you from upgrading. Though
>> the issues are annoying and glaring, there are workarounds. The actual
>> print quality is fine. (I'm pretty sure the print dialog issues are Mac
>> only.)
>>
>> There are a number of significant improvements between Fin12 and Fin25. The
>> two big ones are 1) beat-attached smart shapes replaced meas-attached smart
>> shapes. This allows for much more precise placement in both score and
>> parts. 2) Special tool edits are unlinkable in parts. With these two
>> changes, linked parts are basically 98% fully functional.
>>
>> Especially on Windows, I would not hesitate to upgrade from Fin12 to Fin25.
>>
>> FWIW: The "2%" that's still missing from linked parts: unlinkable
>> horizontal offsets for mid-measure clefs, unlinkable vertical offsets for
>> rests, voiced parts recognize special tools edits, plugin edits in part
>> view unlink anything that can be unlinked manually.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith <
>> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> There are complaints in every version. The question is whether you can
>>> live with them. If 2012 works for you (it won’t install on my new Mac) it
>>> apparently is quicker than 2014, 2014.5 or v. 25, so you could stick with
>>> it. The files can be shared with other users of newer versions, and they
>>> can save in 2012 file format, so that issue is taken care of.
>>>
>>> Christopher
>>>
>>>
 On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Martin Nickless 
>>> wrote:

 Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading
 May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of finale
 I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
 I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
 Would be good to know

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Thomas Schaller]

yes I have - I was more referring to copying layouts (note spacing mainly) 
within one part
but will try Robert’s plugin.

If it works as advertised - what will I do with all my spare time??!!
Thomas


On Aug 24, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Jan Angermüller  wrote:

> Have you tried the "JW Copy Part Layout" plugin for copying layout 
> things between linked parts ?
> http://www.finaletips.nu/index.php/download/category/9-plug-ins-for-windows
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
> 
> Am 24.08.2016 um 15:45 schrieb Thomas Schaller:
>> Robert,
>> deal breaker for me regarding linked parts is that you cannot copy certain 
>> things from measure to measure in linked parts. For instance, I often fine 
>> tune measure layouts in parts and if I have a part that repeats measures 
>> that individual edit cannot be copied to other measures - instead I have to 
>> try to make them look alike. If I remember correctly the same is true for 
>> things like trying to copy a slur shape from one measure to another. That 
>> complicates trying to achieve a professional look tremendously.
>> 
>> Has that been addressed as well?
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas Schaller
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Robert Patterson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think 2012 is faster than 25. It may be roughly comparable. Where
>>> 25 really blows away the earlier versions is in starting up human playback.
>>> 
>>> I also wouldn't let the print dialog issues stop you from upgrading. Though
>>> the issues are annoying and glaring, there are workarounds. The actual
>>> print quality is fine. (I'm pretty sure the print dialog issues are Mac
>>> only.)
>>> 
>>> There are a number of significant improvements between Fin12 and Fin25. The
>>> two big ones are 1) beat-attached smart shapes replaced meas-attached smart
>>> shapes. This allows for much more precise placement in both score and
>>> parts. 2) Special tool edits are unlinkable in parts. With these two
>>> changes, linked parts are basically 98% fully functional.
>>> 
>>> Especially on Windows, I would not hesitate to upgrade from Fin12 to Fin25.
>>> 
>>> FWIW: The "2%" that's still missing from linked parts: unlinkable
>>> horizontal offsets for mid-measure clefs, unlinkable vertical offsets for
>>> rests, voiced parts recognize special tools edits, plugin edits in part
>>> view unlink anything that can be unlinked manually.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith <
>>> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> 
 There are complaints in every version. The question is whether you can
 live with them. If 2012 works for you (it won’t install on my new Mac) it
 apparently is quicker than 2014, 2014.5 or v. 25, so you could stick with
 it. The files can be shared with other users of newer versions, and they
 can save in 2012 file format, so that issue is taken care of.
 
 Christopher
 
 
> On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Martin Nickless 
 wrote:
> 
> Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading
> May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of finale
> I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
> I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
> Would be good to know
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[jp.gilles]

   Hi Jan
   The  Jari's plugin "JW Copy Part Layout" does not work on Finale.v25. Only
   two  plugins  have  been adapted to 64bits JW accidentals and JW Staff
   polyphony. And they work well with Finale v25
   Jean-Paul Gilles
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   Le 24/08/2016 à 17:11, Jan Angermüller a écrit :

Have you tried the "JW Copy Part Layout" plugin for copying layout
things between linked parts ?
[2]http://www.finaletips.nu/index.php/download/category/9-plug-ins-for-windows

Jan



Am 24.08.2016 um 15:45 schrieb Thomas Schaller:

Robert,
deal breaker for me regarding linked parts is that you cannot copy certain thin
gs from measure to measure in linked parts. For instance, I often fine tune mea
sure layouts in parts and if I have a part that repeats measures that individua
l edit cannot be copied to other measures - instead I have to try to make them
look alike. If I remember correctly the same is true for things like trying to
copy a slur shape from one measure to another. That complicates trying to achie
ve a professional look tremendously.

Has that been addressed as well?
Thanks,
Thomas Schaller


On Aug 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Robert Patterson [3]
wrote:

I don't think 2012 is faster than 25. It may be roughly comparable. Where
25 really blows away the earlier versions is in starting up human playback.

I also wouldn't let the print dialog issues stop you from upgrading. Though
the issues are annoying and glaring, there are workarounds. The actual
print quality is fine. (I'm pretty sure the print dialog issues are Mac
only.)

There are a number of significant improvements between Fin12 and Fin25. The
two big ones are 1) beat-attached smart shapes replaced meas-attached smart
shapes. This allows for much more precise placement in both score and
parts. 2) Special tool edits are unlinkable in parts. With these two
changes, linked parts are basically 98% fully functional.

Especially on Windows, I would not hesitate to upgrade from Fin12 to Fin25.

FWIW: The "2%" that's still missing from linked parts: unlinkable
horizontal offsets for mid-measure clefs, unlinkable vertical offsets for
rests, voiced parts recognize special tools edits, plugin edits in part
view unlink anything that can be unlinked manually.


On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith <
[4]christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:

There are complaints in every version. The question is whether you can
live with them. If 2012 works for you (it won’t install on my new Mac) it
apparently is quicker than 2014, 2014.5 or v. 25, so you could stick with
it. The files can be shared with other users of newer versions, and they
can save in 2012 file format, so that issue is taken care of.

Christopher


On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Martin Nickless [5]

wrote:

Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading
May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of finale
I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
Would be good to know

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[Finale] Finale 25 Issue

[Neal Gittleman]

Greetings…

I was on vacation when v25 came out and followed some but not all of the 
immediate traffic.  Can someone recap for me exactly what’s the issue with 
printing?

Thanks…

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[Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[John Witmer]

Doesn't anyone have an opinion on the Finale 25 upgrade? For or against, I'd 
really like to know what you think of this version. I'm currently using Windows 
10 with Finale 2014.5 and it seems ok.
Chordially,
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Steve Parker]

> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than dragged 
> (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue (which was fine) 
> can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.

Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not when 
setting up from a template.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Eric Dannewitz]

I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to work 
better.


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> 
> 
>> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than 
>> dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue (which 
>> was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> 
> Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not when 
> setting up from a template.
> 
> Steve P.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Robert Patterson]

The TGTools Mac 64-bit beta is definitely better than the TGTools Mac beta
for Fin14.5.

My experience is that human playback is MUCH faster to start in 25 than
14.5.

I haven't seen the crash on exit.

But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5 and
25. The main one I can think of (besides some playback tweaks) is that time
signatures can be hidden/show separately in score and part.


On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz 
wrote:

> I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to work
> better.
>
>
> > On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than
> dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue (which
> was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> >
> > Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not
> when setting up from a template.
> >
> > Steve P.
> >
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Mike Greensill]

"But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5 and
25." Robert

Hardly seems worth it even for $99...especially when I'm quite happy with
2012.

Love

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On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Robert Patterson <
rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:

> The TGTools Mac 64-bit beta is definitely better than the TGTools Mac beta
> for Fin14.5.
>
> My experience is that human playback is MUCH faster to start in 25 than
> 14.5.
>
> I haven't seen the crash on exit.
>
> But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5 and
> 25. The main one I can think of (besides some playback tweaks) is that time
> signatures can be hidden/show separately in score and part.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz 
> wrote:
>
> > I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to
> work
> > better.
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than
> > dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue
> (which
> > was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> > >
> > > Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not
> > when setting up from a template.
> > >
> > > Steve P.
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Robert Patterson]

There are some quite useful changes since Fin12. For me, the most important
is beat-attached smart shapes. This is quite a significant improvement if
you use linked parts. There is also a key bug fix since Fin12 that is
important if you use plugins in part view. I think there is more, but I
can't think of it at the moment.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Mike Greensill 
wrote:

> "But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5
> and
> 25." Robert
>
> Hardly seems worth it even for $99...especially when I'm quite happy with
> 2012.
>
> Love
>
> Mike G.
>
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>
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> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>
> > The TGTools Mac 64-bit beta is definitely better than the TGTools Mac
> beta
> > for Fin14.5.
> >
> > My experience is that human playback is MUCH faster to start in 25 than
> > 14.5.
> >
> > I haven't seen the crash on exit.
> >
> > But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5
> and
> > 25. The main one I can think of (besides some playback tweaks) is that
> time
> > signatures can be hidden/show separately in score and part.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to
> > work
> > > better.
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather
> than
> > > dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue
> > (which
> > > was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> > > >
> > > > Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not
> > > when setting up from a template.
> > > >
> > > > Steve P.
> > > >
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Eric Dannewitz]

Indeed. 

Coming from 2012 Finale it would be a huge improvement.

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> There are some quite useful changes since Fin12. For me, the most important
> is beat-attached smart shapes. This is quite a significant improvement if
> you use linked parts. There is also a key bug fix since Fin12 that is
> important if you use plugins in part view. I think there is more, but I
> can't think of it at the moment.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Mike Greensill 
> wrote:
> 
>> "But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5
>> and
>> 25." Robert
>> 
>> Hardly seems worth it even for $99...especially when I'm quite happy with
>> 2012.
>> 
>> Love
>> 
>> Mike G.
>> 
>> www.mikegreensill.com
>> 
>> cell - 707 235 5107
>> home - 707 967 9491
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The TGTools Mac 64-bit beta is definitely better than the TGTools Mac
>> beta
>>> for Fin14.5.
>>> 
>>> My experience is that human playback is MUCH faster to start in 25 than
>>> 14.5.
>>> 
>>> I haven't seen the crash on exit.
>>> 
>>> But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5
>> and
>>> 25. The main one I can think of (besides some playback tweaks) is that
>> time
>>> signatures can be hidden/show separately in score and part.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to
>>> work
 better.
 
 
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker 
>> wrote:
> 
> 
>> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather
>> than
 dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue
>>> (which
 was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> 
> Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not
 when setting up from a template.
> 
> Steve P.
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Re: [Finale] finale 25

[Lawrence Yates]

I've now completely reinstalled Finale and everything seems to be working
now BUT - on playback some of the instruments (descant recorder for
example) seem unaffected by the volume controls in the mixer.  This makes a
bit of a mess of any playback files using these instruments.  Has anyone
else found this and found a solution please?

Lawrence.

On 14 March 2017 at 15:09, Lawrence Yates  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've just bought and installed Finale25 windows.  the programme runs but
> Garritan appears not to be there.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
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[Finale] Finale 25 Octaves

[Lawrence Yates]

Hi,

I've just bought Finale 25 Windows.

I've had a couple of passages somehow being transposed up an octave without
any input from me.  Fortunately I've spotted them so far but this could be
disastrous should I miss them.

Is this a known fault or am I doing something stupid?  (Never had this
problem in any other version of Finale).  The current problem was in a
bassoon part which I entered correctly.  When I changed to look at the
score in scroll view it was transposed up the octave.

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[Finale] Finale 25--Plug-ins

[Steve Gruver]

I just upgraded to Finale 25 from v2014.5 and have it found it to be very
stable and fast (especially when doing playback of a file).  However, be
aware that TGTools, JW Tools, etc will NOT work with this new version until
they come out with a 64-bit version.

I received an email from Tobias Giesen (TGTools) this morning stating that
a 64-bit version for MacOS will be out in a couple of weeks.

Steve
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 Issue

[Robert Patterson]

There is no issue with printing. The print dialog was reworked and has
major usuability issues, but the printing itself is fine.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Neal Gittleman  wrote:

> Greetings…
>
> I was on vacation when v25 came out and followed some but not all of the
> immediate traffic.  Can someone recap for me exactly what’s the issue with
> printing?
>
> Thanks…
>
> Neal
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Christopher Smith]

Sorry, I’m on a Mac. There are too many issues in the Mac version for me to use 
it right now. I have it installed, but use 2014.5 until I get some bugs fixed. 
The Windows version might be in better shape.

Christopher


> On Nov 26, 2016, at 4:39 PM, John Witmer  wrote:
> 
> Doesn't anyone have an opinion on the Finale 25 upgrade? For or against, I'd 
> really like to know what you think of this version. I'm currently using 
> Windows 10 with Finale 2014.5 and it seems ok.
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[craig]

I use V25 routinely with Win10 and things run smoothly. I wish they had not 
removed the BIAB plug in. That is the only reason I go back. And the file 
formats are compatible so there is no hassle with switching between 2014.5 and 
25.



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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Mariposa Symphony Orchestra]

Thanks to all who’ve chimed in.   But so far, I don’t think we’ve heard the 
simple answer to THIS question:

What’s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?

Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5?  

For Win10 users, particularly.

I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has reduced the previous price for 
upgrading.  Of course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but the real ones 
would certainly be revealing.

Best,

Les Marsden
(209) 966-6988 (H)
(559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
7145 Snyder Creek Road
Mariposa, CA 95338-9641

National Park Service Centennial Ambassador
President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
Second Vice-President, Yosemite Gateway Partners (YGP)
Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫

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From: cr...@parmerlee.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 8:29 PM
To: wit...@nctv.com ; finale@shsu.edu 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade







I use V25 routinely with Win10 and things run smoothly. I wish they had not 
removed the BIAB plug in. That is the only reason I go back. And the file 
formats are compatible so there is no hassle with switching between 2014.5 and 
25.



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PMTo: finale@shsu.edu;Subject:[Finale] Finale 25 upgrade
Doesn't anyone have an opinion on the Finale 25 upgrade? For or against, I'd 
really like to know what you think of this version. I'm currently using Windows 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[SN jef chippewa]

that could be because there doesn't seem to be 
one.  the discussion back in august was -- in my 
interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.

a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss 
of speed experienced witth F2014 has been fixed. 
it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should 
somehow be expected to pay for that.

"dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were 
not listed so i have no idea just how important 
this claim is, but should we be paying for bug 
fixes?  i don't think so, whether they are new 
bugs or age-old ones, these should be fixed in a 
free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of 
as more substantial upgrade, not as its main 
selling point, not when i am being asked to buy 
it.

as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying 
with finale "for the kids", certainly not for the 
amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence 
with this one.  if i had a client that needed me 
to have F25, i would be forced to get it.  and i 
may spring for it today (because i might 
eventually have to have it), but i would much 
prefer to sit this round out as a political 
statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel 
like i am feeding alcohol to an alcoholic that 
will just reinforce their unwillingness to make 
the first step: admit s/he has a problem.

perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, 
but all in all, my reading is that is a 
less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" 
to its customers.



>Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I 
>don¹t think we¹ve heard the simple answer to 
>THIS question:
>
>What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>
>Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>
>For Win10 users, particularly.
>
>I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has 
>reduced the previous price for upgrading.  Of 
>course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but 
>the real ones would certainly be revealing.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Dean Rosenthal]

Thanks, jef. Much appreciated. 

Dean

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> On Nov 28, 2016, at 5:06 AM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> that could be because there doesn't seem to be one.  the discussion back in 
> august was -- in my interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.
> 
> a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss of speed experienced witth 
> F2014 has been fixed. it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should somehow be 
> expected to pay for that.
> 
> "dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were not listed so i have no idea 
> just how important this claim is, but should we be paying for bug fixes?  i 
> don't think so, whether they are new bugs or age-old ones, these should be 
> fixed in a free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of as more 
> substantial upgrade, not as its main selling point, not when i am being asked 
> to buy it.
> 
> as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying with finale "for the kids", 
> certainly not for the amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence with 
> this one.  if i had a client that needed me to have F25, i would be forced to 
> get it.  and i may spring for it today (because i might eventually have to 
> have it), but i would much prefer to sit this round out as a political 
> statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel like i am feeding alcohol to an 
> alcoholic that will just reinforce their unwillingness to make the first 
> step: admit s/he has a problem.
> 
> perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, but all in all, my reading 
> is that is a less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" to its 
> customers.
> 
> 
> 
>> Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I don¹t think we¹ve heard the 
>> simple answer to THIS question:
>> 
>> What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>> 
>> Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>> 
>> For Win10 users, particularly.
>> 
>> I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has reduced the previous price for 
>> upgrading.  Of course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but the real 
>> ones would certainly be revealing.
> 
> -- 
> 
> neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation
> http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html
> 
> shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com
> new music notation  +  arts management  +  translation
> [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise  |  [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Mariposa Symphony Orchestra]

jef - 

Phenomenal response.  Thank you greatly.

And FWIW, I’m right there on that knife-edge with you, and will also probably 
snag the “upgrade” today.  

I hate to reward the beast by feeding it when it’s done nothing to deserve 
sustenance, but – yeah.   As you wrote. 

Les Marsden
(209) 966-6988 (H)
(559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
7145 Snyder Creek Road
Mariposa, CA 95338-9641

National Park Service Centennial Ambassador
President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
Second Vice-President, Yosemite Gateway Partners (YGP)
Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫

Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): 
http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og  
Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://tinyurl.com/MariposaSO 


From: SN jef chippewa 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 2:06 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade


that could be because there doesn't seem to be 
one.  the discussion back in august was -- in my 
interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.

a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss 
of speed experienced witth F2014 has been fixed. 
it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should 
somehow be expected to pay for that.

"dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were 
not listed so i have no idea just how important 
this claim is, but should we be paying for bug 
fixes?  i don't think so, whether they are new 
bugs or age-old ones, these should be fixed in a 
free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of 
as more substantial upgrade, not as its main 
selling point, not when i am being asked to buy 
it.

as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying 
with finale "for the kids", certainly not for the 
amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence 
with this one.  if i had a client that needed me 
to have F25, i would be forced to get it.  and i 
may spring for it today (because i might 
eventually have to have it), but i would much 
prefer to sit this round out as a political 
statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel 
like i am feeding alcohol to an alcoholic that 
will just reinforce their unwillingness to make 
the first step: admit s/he has a problem.

perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, 
but all in all, my reading is that is a 
less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" 
to its customers.



>Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I 
>don¹t think we¹ve heard the simple answer to 
>THIS question:
>
>What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>
>Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>
>For Win10 users, particularly.
>
>I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has 
>reduced the previous price for upgrading.  Of 
>course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but 
>the real ones would certainly be revealing.

-- 

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http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[David H. Bailey]

On 11/28/2016 2:43 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
> jef -
>
> Phenomenal response.  Thank you greatly.
>
> And FWIW, I’m right there on that knife-edge with you, and will also probably 
> snag the “upgrade” today.
>
> I hate to reward the beast by feeding it when it’s done nothing to deserve 
> sustenance, but – yeah.   As you wrote.
>

Nobody (except for MakeMusic or whatever the company is currently 
called) has said that this is an upgrade that people should buy.

If I had upgraded for the initial "deal" of $149 I would be very very 
angry with them for making this $99 offer.

I did not fall for it back when it was first announced, and I'm not 
going to fall for it this time around either.

I fear I will not be buying another Finale upgrade for quite a while, if 
ever.

I start all my new projects in Sibelius and it's been years since 
anybody has contacted me about continuing to work on Finale files, so 
I'll simply stick with 14.5 and see if I ever feel the urge to upgrade 
to a newer version of Finale.

And while all along I've bought every single upgrade, often more to show 
my continued support for Finale than because I needed something special 
that was in a new upgrade, I'm tired of paying for supposed bug-fixes 
which should be free in updates, and which in reality have not been as 
plentiful (at least for my normal workflow and projects) as the 
publicity claims.

There has been nothing new in Finale that would make me buy an upgrade 
since they introduced linked score/parts and possibly one or two 
upgrades after that where they supposedly got the linked score/parts to 
work better.  Nowadays it's just feeding the cash cow instead of getting 
real value for the money spent and I frankly can't afford that any more.

So I'm out on this upgrade, even for $99.  And possibly out for all the 
future ones as well.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[rglan]

At 3:20 PM -0500 28/11/16, David H. Bailey wrote:
>If I had upgraded for the initial "deal" of $149 I would be very very
>angry with them for making this $99 offer.

Me too.

>I did not fall for it back when it was first announced, and I'm not
>going to fall for it this time around either.

Well I fell for it, but then the last upgrade I got was in 1993 ;-) 
Drove me insane when I had to ring them today though, listening for 
45mins to some crappy version of 'Blackbird' so I could get back into 
my account. Ouf ! They certainly are very suss musically :-/

raglan
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[Finale] Finale 25 System Requirements

[Giovanni Andreani]

I've checked the specifications which set the minimum standards required for 
Finale 25 on the Mac platform.
I'm working on a MacBook Pro (the 15-inch late 2011 model) and, while its 2.2 
GHz Intel Core i7 processor differs from the Intel Core 2 Duo processor set as 
the minimum requirement, I would like to know if, according to anyone's 
experience, Finale would run just the same.

Giovanni




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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 Octaves

[Darcy James Argue]

Turn off “Respect Instrument Ranges When Copying or Changing Instruments” in 
Preferences > Edit, and write a sternly-worded email to MakeMusic asking them 
why on Earth they ever decided to make this box checked by default.

Cheers,

— DJA
-
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> On Apr 10, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Lawrence Yates  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've just bought Finale 25 Windows.
> 
> I've had a couple of passages somehow being transposed up an octave without
> any input from me.  Fortunately I've spotted them so far but this could be
> disastrous should I miss them.
> 
> Is this a known fault or am I doing something stupid?  (Never had this
> problem in any other version of Finale).  The current problem was in a
> bassoon part which I entered correctly.  When I changed to look at the
> score in scroll view it was transposed up the octave.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lawrence
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 Octaves

[Lawrence Yates]

Thanks!  I would never have thought of that!

Cheers,

Lawrence

On 10 April 2017 at 21:55, Darcy James Argue  wrote:

> Turn off “Respect Instrument Ranges When Copying or Changing Instruments”
> in Preferences > Edit, and write a sternly-worded email to MakeMusic asking
> them why on Earth they ever decided to make this box checked by default.
>
> Cheers,
>
> — DJA
> -
> http://secretsocietymusic.org
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Lawrence Yates 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've just bought Finale 25 Windows.
> >
> > I've had a couple of passages somehow being transposed up an octave
> without
> > any input from me.  Fortunately I've spotted them so far but this could
> be
> > disastrous should I miss them.
> >
> > Is this a known fault or am I doing something stupid?  (Never had this
> > problem in any other version of Finale).  The current problem was in a
> > bassoon part which I entered correctly.  When I changed to look at the
> > score in scroll view it was transposed up the octave.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Lawrence
> >
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 Octaves

[Chuck Israels]

Hi Lawrence,

This probably has something to do with the way the new Finale handles note 
entry at concert pitch instead of transposed pitch.  For instance, bass violin 
notes now enter at their real pitches but get written an octave higher.  Kind 
of confusing, but there are ways to set preferences that control this, and 
there are options.  I had the same experience at first, and I’m not sure what I 
did to control it - away from Finale at the moment.  Maybe you will get better 
guidance from others.

Chuck


> On Apr 10, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Lawrence Yates  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've just bought Finale 25 Windows.
> 
> I've had a couple of passages somehow being transposed up an octave without
> any input from me.  Fortunately I've spotted them so far but this could be
> disastrous should I miss them.
> 
> Is this a known fault or am I doing something stupid?  (Never had this
> problem in any other version of Finale).  The current problem was in a
> bassoon part which I entered correctly.  When I changed to look at the
> score in scroll view it was transposed up the octave.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lawrence
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 Octaves

[Mariposa Symphony Orchestra]

Lawrence - 

Does this occur when you cut/paste passages from one instrument to another?

As I recall, Fin25 came with “respect instrument ranges when copying or...” 
CHECKED.If that IS your problem, go to “Edit,” pull up “Preferences” and 
then “Edit” – and uncheck that box.

Best - 

Les Marsden
(209) 966-6988 (H)
(559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
7145 Snyder Creek Road
Mariposa, CA 95338-9641

National Park Service Centennial Ambassador
President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
Second Vice-President, Yosemite Gateway Partners (YGP)
Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫

Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): 
http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og  
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From: Lawrence Yates 
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 1:20 PM
To:  
Subject: [Finale] Finale 25 Octaves

Hi,

I've just bought Finale 25 Windows.

I've had a couple of passages somehow being transposed up an octave without
any input from me.  Fortunately I've spotted them so far but this could be
disastrous should I miss them.

Is this a known fault or am I doing something stupid?  (Never had this
problem in any other version of Finale).  The current problem was in a
bassoon part which I entered correctly.  When I changed to look at the
score in scroll view it was transposed up the octave.

Cheers,

Lawrence

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 Octaves

[Lawrence Yates]

Thank you, it's sorted now I think - it was, as several have suggested, the
default "instrument ranges" that needed to be unchecked.

Thanks,

Lawrence

On 10 April 2017 at 21:25, Chuck Israels  wrote:

> Hi Lawrence,
>
> This probably has something to do with the way the new Finale handles note
> entry at concert pitch instead of transposed pitch.  For instance, bass
> violin notes now enter at their real pitches but get written an octave
> higher.  Kind of confusing, but there are ways to set preferences that
> control this, and there are options.  I had the same experience at first,
> and I’m not sure what I did to control it - away from Finale at the
> moment.  Maybe you will get better guidance from others.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Lawrence Yates 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've just bought Finale 25 Windows.
> >
> > I've had a couple of passages somehow being transposed up an octave
> without
> > any input from me.  Fortunately I've spotted them so far but this could
> be
> > disastrous should I miss them.
> >
> > Is this a known fault or am I doing something stupid?  (Never had this
> > problem in any other version of Finale).  The current problem was in a
> > bassoon part which I entered correctly.  When I changed to look at the
> > score in scroll view it was transposed up the octave.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Lawrence
> >
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>
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 Octaves

[mso]

Actually, I wrote my suggestion immediately after your query posted - but
for some reason, it was held up in moderation for - well, nearly a full
day!  Ah well.  Glad the problem was resolved, Lawrence.  And now: THIS
response will probably be posted...in a day or two !!

Best wishes - 

Les Marsden


On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:28:54 +0100, Lawrence Yates
 wrote:
> Thank you, it's sorted now I think - it was, as several have suggested,
the
> default "instrument ranges" that needed to be unchecked.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> On 10 April 2017 at 21:25, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lawrence,
>>
>> This probably has something to do with the way the new Finale handles
>> note
>> entry at concert pitch instead of transposed pitch.  For instance, bass
>> violin notes now enter at their real pitches but get written an octave
>> higher.  Kind of confusing, but there are ways to set preferences that
>> control this, and there are options.  I had the same experience at
first,
>> and I’m not sure what I did to control it - away from Finale at the
>> moment.  Maybe you will get better guidance from others.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 10, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Lawrence Yates 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I've just bought Finale 25 Windows.
>> >
>> > I've had a couple of passages somehow being transposed up an octave
>> without
>> > any input from me.  Fortunately I've spotted them so far but this
could
>> be
>> > disastrous should I miss them.
>> >
>> > Is this a known fault or am I doing something stupid?  (Never had
this
>> > problem in any other version of Finale).  The current problem was in
a
>> > bassoon part which I entered correctly.  When I changed to look at
the
>> > score in scroll view it was transposed up the octave.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Lawrence
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 - What's removed?

[Craig Parmerlee]

I just stumbled across this article that was put out about 3 weeks ago. 
it seems to say these items are removed from the new version:

* Band-in-a-box auto harmonizing

* Mirror tool (i.e. ie no more mirrored measures)

* Tempo tool

* Music scanning

This sounds like a net DOWN-grade to me.

I have the pro version of SmartScan, which I can use with XML, and I 
never used mirrored measures.  But I use the auto-harmonizing all the 
time.  It is a quick way to get an arrangement up and running.  My final 
arrangements rarely use the notes exactly as put out by that plug-in.  I 
will generally scrub it to do better voice leading and improve the 
harmonies (the plug-in seems to go crazy adding 6ths).  But The ability 
to quickly populate a soli section is valuable, IMHO.
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 - What's removed?

[Raymond Horton]

Could you do the auto harmonizing in an older version and then import it?

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016


On Aug 16, 2016 10:14 PM, "Craig Parmerlee"  wrote:

> I just stumbled across this article that was put out about 3 weeks ago.
> it seems to say these items are removed from the new version:
>
> * Band-in-a-box auto harmonizing
>
> * Mirror tool (i.e. ie no more mirrored measures)
>
> * Tempo tool
>
> * Music scanning
>
> This sounds like a net DOWN-grade to me.
>
> I have the pro version of SmartScan, which I can use with XML, and I
> never used mirrored measures.  But I use the auto-harmonizing all the
> time.  It is a quick way to get an arrangement up and running.  My final
> arrangements rarely use the notes exactly as put out by that plug-in.  I
> will generally scrub it to do better voice leading and improve the
> harmonies (the plug-in seems to go crazy adding 6ths).  But The ability
> to quickly populate a soli section is valuable, IMHO.
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 - What's removed?

[Craig Parmerlee]

Yes, I believe I could keep 2014.5 installed and do the auto-harmonizing 
there.  But that begs the question what would be my motivation to go to 
V25 if I have to bounce between apps.

In your case, this 64-bit version *MAY* resolve the speed problems you 
have been having on large scores.  If that is the case, then the upgrade 
would be a clear winner.

There might be a time I'd want to run ReWire, but it isn't all that 
likely for the kinds of projects I have been doing in Finale.

I'd appreciate hearing from anybody with the demo installed, regarding 
whether the many problems with HP have been fixed.

And as of this moment, the Makenusic forum is still rejecting the IP 
address from my Comcast connection (whether I use my PC or a cell phone 
over WiFi on that connection.  If I disable WiFi on my cell phone 
(forcing it through the AT&T network, it gets to the forum OK.  Seems 
like a bad day to have big website problems.

And speaking of that, if you go to the Makemusic site, there is not a 
single word about the new Finale version on the home page.  And if you 
click into the Finale section, still nothing other than a link to  an 
"oh by the way ..." note about the new release.  I would have thought 
with 2+ years to plan this release, they might have wanted to mention 
SOMETHING about it.



On 8/16/2016 10:21 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
> Could you do the auto harmonizing in an older version and then import it?
>

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25--Plug-ins

[Raymond Horton]

There is a very helpful report. Would you be interested in running a couple
of speed tests, with a file I send you?

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016


On Aug 17, 2016 10:24 AM, "Steve Gruver"  wrote:

I just upgraded to Finale 25 from v2014.5 and have it found it to be very
stable and fast (especially when doing playback of a file).  However, be
aware that TGTools, JW Tools, etc will NOT work with this new version until
they come out with a 64-bit version.

I received an email from Tobias Giesen (TGTools) this morning stating that
a 64-bit version for MacOS will be out in a couple of weeks.

Steve
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25--Plug-ins

[Christopher Smith]

Here’s a review. Click on Robert Puff’s link at the bottom of this review, too. 
One of them ran speed tests, and Finale v. 25 is almost, but not quite, as fast 
as 2012 in most things, but faster than 2014.5 in almost everything. But then, 
you need Yosemite at least to run Finale v. 25.

Christopher

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/makemusic-releases-version-25-of-finale/


> On Wed Aug 17, at WednesdayAug 17 10:29 AM, Raymond Horton 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is a very helpful report. Would you be interested in running a couple
> of speed tests, with a file I send you?
> 
> Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> 
> 
> On Aug 17, 2016 10:24 AM, "Steve Gruver"  wrote:
> 
> I just upgraded to Finale 25 from v2014.5 and have it found it to be very
> stable and fast (especially when doing playback of a file).  However, be
> aware that TGTools, JW Tools, etc will NOT work with this new version until
> they come out with a 64-bit version.
> 
> I received an email from Tobias Giesen (TGTools) this morning stating that
> a 64-bit version for MacOS will be out in a couple of weeks.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25--Plug-ins

[Raymond Horton]

Thanks. ( I am a Windows guy, so I don't need to own any national parks
before running!)

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016


On Aug 17, 2016 10:41 AM, "Christopher Smith" <
christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:

> Here’s a review. Click on Robert Puff’s link at the bottom of this review,
> too. One of them ran speed tests, and Finale v. 25 is almost, but not
> quite, as fast as 2012 in most things, but faster than 2014.5 in almost
> everything. But then, you need Yosemite at least to run Finale v. 25.
>
> Christopher
>
> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/makemusic-releases-version-25-of-finale/
>
>
> > On Wed Aug 17, at WednesdayAug 17 10:29 AM, Raymond Horton <
> horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is a very helpful report. Would you be interested in running a
> couple
> > of speed tests, with a file I send you?
> >
> > Raymond Horton
> > Composer, Arranger
> > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> >
> >
> > On Aug 17, 2016 10:24 AM, "Steve Gruver"  wrote:
> >
> > I just upgraded to Finale 25 from v2014.5 and have it found it to be very
> > stable and fast (especially when doing playback of a file).  However, be
> > aware that TGTools, JW Tools, etc will NOT work with this new version
> until
> > they come out with a 64-bit version.
> >
> > I received an email from Tobias Giesen (TGTools) this morning stating
> that
> > a 64-bit version for MacOS will be out in a couple of weeks.
> >
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25--Plug-ins

[Eric Dannewitz]

True, though you are being "high suggested" to move to Windows 10 and then 
there is the whole Windows thing with dealing with viruses and security 
issues..

Sometimes it's better to be in a park than to look at it through a window

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> On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Raymond Horton  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. ( I am a Windows guy, so I don't need to own any national parks
> before running!)
> 
> Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> 
> 
> On Aug 17, 2016 10:41 AM, "Christopher Smith" <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Here’s a review. Click on Robert Puff’s link at the bottom of this review,
>> too. One of them ran speed tests, and Finale v. 25 is almost, but not
>> quite, as fast as 2012 in most things, but faster than 2014.5 in almost
>> everything. But then, you need Yosemite at least to run Finale v. 25.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/makemusic-releases-version-25-of-finale/
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed Aug 17, at WednesdayAug 17 10:29 AM, Raymond Horton <
>> horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a very helpful report. Would you be interested in running a
>> couple
>>> of speed tests, with a file I send you?
>>> 
>>> Raymond Horton
>>> Composer, Arranger
>>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>>> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2016 10:24 AM, "Steve Gruver"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded to Finale 25 from v2014.5 and have it found it to be very
>>> stable and fast (especially when doing playback of a file).  However, be
>>> aware that TGTools, JW Tools, etc will NOT work with this new version
>> until
>>> they come out with a 64-bit version.
>>> 
>>> I received an email from Tobias Giesen (TGTools) this morning stating
>> that
>>> a 64-bit version for MacOS will be out in a couple of weeks.
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25--Plug-ins

[Raymond Horton]

Already Windows 10, so no problem there. I am convinced by this review, I
am buying!!!

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016


On Aug 17, 2016 10:49 AM, "Eric Dannewitz"  wrote:

> True, though you are being "high suggested" to move to Windows 10 and then
> there is the whole Windows thing with dealing with viruses and security
> issues..
>
> Sometimes it's better to be in a park than to look at it through a window
>
> Sent from my iSomething
> --
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Raymond Horton 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks. ( I am a Windows guy, so I don't need to own any national parks
> > before running!)
> >
> > Raymond Horton
> > Composer, Arranger
> > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> >
> >
> > On Aug 17, 2016 10:41 AM, "Christopher Smith" <
> > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Here’s a review. Click on Robert Puff’s link at the bottom of this
> review,
> >> too. One of them ran speed tests, and Finale v. 25 is almost, but not
> >> quite, as fast as 2012 in most things, but faster than 2014.5 in almost
> >> everything. But then, you need Yosemite at least to run Finale v. 25.
> >>
> >> Christopher
> >>
> >> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/makemusic-releases-
> version-25-of-finale/
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed Aug 17, at WednesdayAug 17 10:29 AM, Raymond Horton <
> >> horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There is a very helpful report. Would you be interested in running a
> >> couple
> >>> of speed tests, with a file I send you?
> >>>
> >>> Raymond Horton
> >>> Composer, Arranger
> >>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> >>> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 17, 2016 10:24 AM, "Steve Gruver"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I just upgraded to Finale 25 from v2014.5 and have it found it to be
> very
> >>> stable and fast (especially when doing playback of a file).  However,
> be
> >>> aware that TGTools, JW Tools, etc will NOT work with this new version
> >> until
> >>> they come out with a 64-bit version.
> >>>
> >>> I received an email from Tobias Giesen (TGTools) this morning stating
> >> that
> >>> a 64-bit version for MacOS will be out in a couple of weeks.
> >>>
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25--Plug-ins

[Robert Patterson]

Patterson Plugins for Finale 25 are now available at the website.

http://robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/finmain.html

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Raymond Horton 
wrote:

> Already Windows 10, so no problem there. I am convinced by this review, I
> am buying!!!
>
> Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2016 10:49 AM, "Eric Dannewitz"  wrote:
>
> > True, though you are being "high suggested" to move to Windows 10 and
> then
> > there is the whole Windows thing with dealing with viruses and security
> > issues..
> >
> > Sometimes it's better to be in a park than to look at it through a window
> >
> > Sent from my iSomething
> > --
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Raymond Horton 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks. ( I am a Windows guy, so I don't need to own any national parks
> > > before running!)
> > >
> > > Raymond Horton
> > > Composer, Arranger
> > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 17, 2016 10:41 AM, "Christopher Smith" <
> > > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Here’s a review. Click on Robert Puff’s link at the bottom of this
> > review,
> > >> too. One of them ran speed tests, and Finale v. 25 is almost, but not
> > >> quite, as fast as 2012 in most things, but faster than 2014.5 in
> almost
> > >> everything. But then, you need Yosemite at least to run Finale v. 25.
> > >>
> > >> Christopher
> > >>
> > >> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/makemusic-releases-
> > version-25-of-finale/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed Aug 17, at WednesdayAug 17 10:29 AM, Raymond Horton <
> > >> horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> There is a very helpful report. Would you be interested in running a
> > >> couple
> > >>> of speed tests, with a file I send you?
> > >>>
> > >>> Raymond Horton
> > >>> Composer, Arranger
> > >>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > >>> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Aug 17, 2016 10:24 AM, "Steve Gruver"  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I just upgraded to Finale 25 from v2014.5 and have it found it to be
> > very
> > >>> stable and fast (especially when doing playback of a file).  However,
> > be
> > >>> aware that TGTools, JW Tools, etc will NOT work with this new version
> > >> until
> > >>> they come out with a 64-bit version.
> > >>>
> > >>> I received an email from Tobias Giesen (TGTools) this morning stating
> > >> that
> > >>> a 64-bit version for MacOS will be out in a couple of weeks.
> > >>>
> > >>> Steve
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 - What's removed?

[Johannes Gebauer]

Am 17.08.16 um 04:14 schrieb Craig Parmerlee:
> * Mirror tool (i.e. ie no more mirrored measures)

So what happens with files that use the Mirror Tool? I used to use the 
Mirror tool quite a bit, and found it very useful. the typical situation 
would be a baroque piece, where 1st and 2nd violins play in unison a lot 
of the time.

Yes, one could just copy the part over, but using mirrors all the 
changes, corrections etc would automatically transfer to all the 
mirrored parts. I wished the tool had been improved rather than dropped.

(Btw, I bought 2014.5 the day before yesterday. After the update 
appeared I asked MakeMusic for a free upgrade, and within hours it came. 
Thanks MM, for being cooperative and easy on this. Not every company 
does this.)
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 - What's removed?

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

Hi Johannes

I would suggest that you visit finaletips.nu and download all available Jari 
Plugins, as soon as they have been converted to 64-bit. I am pretty sure that 
you find a comparable (and faster) tool in one of the Change Plugins.

Best
Raphael.

> Am 18.08.2016 um 14:16 schrieb Johannes Gebauer :
> 
> Am 17.08.16 um 04:14 schrieb Craig Parmerlee:
>> * Mirror tool (i.e. ie no more mirrored measures)
> 
> So what happens with files that use the Mirror Tool? I used to use the 
> Mirror tool quite a bit, and found it very useful. the typical situation 
> would be a baroque piece, where 1st and 2nd violins play in unison a lot 
> of the time.
> 
> Yes, one could just copy the part over, but using mirrors all the 
> changes, corrections etc would automatically transfer to all the 
> mirrored parts. I wished the tool had been improved rather than dropped.
> 
> (Btw, I bought 2014.5 the day before yesterday. After the update 
> appeared I asked MakeMusic for a free upgrade, and within hours it came. 
> Thanks MM, for being cooperative and easy on this. Not every company 
> does this.)
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 - What's removed?

[Johannes Gebauer]

Well, I had a look, but I can't really see how this would help me. 
Please enlighten me...

Best,
Johannes

Am 18.08.16 um 14:51 schrieb Dr. Raphael D. Thöne:
> Hi Johannes
>
> I would suggest that you visit finaletips.nu and download all
> available Jari Plugins, as soon as they have been converted to
> 64-bit. I am pretty sure that you find a comparable (and faster) tool
> in one of the Change Plugins.
>
> Best Raphael.
>
>>>

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 - What's removed?

[Robert Patterson]

I have not tried upgrading files that use the Mirror Tool, but my guess is
that all the mirrors are converted to copies.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 7:16 AM, Johannes Gebauer  wrote:

> Am 17.08.16 um 04:14 schrieb Craig Parmerlee:
> > * Mirror tool (i.e. ie no more mirrored measures)
>
> So what happens with files that use the Mirror Tool? I used to use the
> Mirror tool quite a bit, and found it very useful. the typical situation
> would be a baroque piece, where 1st and 2nd violins play in unison a lot
> of the time.
>
> Yes, one could just copy the part over, but using mirrors all the
> changes, corrections etc would automatically transfer to all the
> mirrored parts. I wished the tool had been improved rather than dropped.
>
> (Btw, I bought 2014.5 the day before yesterday. After the update
> appeared I asked MakeMusic for a free upgrade, and within hours it came.
> Thanks MM, for being cooperative and easy on this. Not every company
> does this.)
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 System Requirements

[Jazz-sax]

It will run fine. The biggest thing is that you need to have 10.10 as a 
starting point.

Sent from my iSomething
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> On Dec 9, 2016, at 2:52 AM, Giovanni Andreani  
> wrote:
> 
> I've checked the specifications which set the minimum standards required for 
> Finale 25 on the Mac platform.
> I'm working on a MacBook Pro (the 15-inch late 2011 model) and, while its 2.2 
> GHz Intel Core i7 processor differs from the Intel Core 2 Duo processor set 
> as the minimum requirement, I would like to know if, according to anyone's 
> experience, Finale would run just the same.
> 
> Giovanni
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Giovanni Andreani
> 
> www.giovanniandreani.com
> www.ga-music.com
> 
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> www.twitter.com/MrAvenarius
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 System Requirements

[Steve Parker]

Runs fine on my 2010 white MacBook with Sierra.

Steve P.

> On 9 Dec 2016, at 13:38, Jazz-sax  wrote:
> 
> It will run fine. The biggest thing is that you need to have 10.10 as a 
> starting point.
> 
> Sent from my iSomething
> --
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> Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius
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> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 2:52 AM, Giovanni Andreani  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I've checked the specifications which set the minimum standards required for 
>> Finale 25 on the Mac platform.
>> I'm working on a MacBook Pro (the 15-inch late 2011 model) and, while its 
>> 2.2 GHz Intel Core i7 processor differs from the Intel Core 2 Duo processor 
>> set as the minimum requirement, I would like to know if, according to 
>> anyone's experience, Finale would run just the same.
>> 
>> Giovanni
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Giovanni Andreani
>> 
>> www.giovanniandreani.com
>> www.ga-music.com
>> 
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>> www.twitter.com/MrAvenarius
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 System Requirements

[Giovanni Andreani]

Thank you Eric and Steve,

I’ll go for the upgrade.

Giovanni




Giovanni Andreani

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> On 9 Dec 2016, at 15:11, Steve Parker  wrote:
> 
> Runs fine on my 2010 white MacBook with Sierra.
> 
> Steve P.
> 
>> On 9 Dec 2016, at 13:38, Jazz-sax  wrote:
>> 
>> It will run fine. The biggest thing is that you need to have 10.10 as a 
>> starting point.
>> 
>> Sent from my iSomething
>> --
>> Eric Dannewitz
>> Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius
>> http://www.ericdannewitz.com
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 2:52 AM, Giovanni Andreani  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've checked the specifications which set the minimum standards required 
>>> for Finale 25 on the Mac platform.
>>> I'm working on a MacBook Pro (the 15-inch late 2011 model) and, while its 
>>> 2.2 GHz Intel Core i7 processor differs from the Intel Core 2 Duo processor 
>>> set as the minimum requirement, I would like to know if, according to 
>>> anyone's experience, Finale would run just the same.
>>> 
>>> Giovanni
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Giovanni Andreani
>>> 
>>> www.giovanniandreani.com
>>> www.ga-music.com
>>> 
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>>> www.twitter.com/MrAvenarius
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[Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Dear all,

I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help with this
problem, or at least point me in the right direction

Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.

Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way (couple of
glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me not being careful).
My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics Window,
insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the lyrics to the
score.

Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I copy/paste lyrics
into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click assign' button the lyrics I have
pasted disappear. Vanished! 

If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO appear in
the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their connection to the
score, i.e. if I then make a change in the lyrics using the edit window, the
changes ARE NOT reflected in the score.

I checked the other versions of Finale that I keep installed for emergencies
(2014 and 2014.5) and they exhibit exactly the same errors.

So I tried the version of 2014 that I keep on a laptop for emergencies - and
that works just fine, exactly as expected.

I guess this means the problem is with my main PC or with something in some
software or other that has updated itself recently. Yes, I've already tried
rebooting the PC (many times!) and deleting the preferences and starting
again.

Has anyone else experienced this problem or can suggest where I could look
to find the cause?

I am on Windows 10 with an i5 processor and NVIDIA GeForce graphics card

The setup has been working fine until today and I have been working with
Finale since 1998!!

Any pointers much appreciated

Best wishes

Michael Withers



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[Finale] Finale 25 ain't true 64-bit

[Howey, Henry]

Why?

Because you cannot move around a playing score like you can in Sibelius.

There is still no lunga for early music.

And my extended set of Garritan sounds is not readily available.

I may move to Steinberg soon.

Henry Howey
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[Finale] Finale 25 printing in El Capitan

[Jim Fischer]

I was printing multiple pages to my Brother Laser printer.
I ask for 3 copies and only 1 comes out. I had to do 2 more single page copies.
Am I missing something?

thx, Jim

:: j i m  f i s c h e r
:: p r o d u c e r ♫ ♪ ♫
:: m u s i c  b o x
:: p r o d u c t i o n s
:: v a n c o u v e r,  w a,  u s a
:: www.jimfischer.net 



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Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Christopher Smith]

Hi Michael,

I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often, hitting Undo 
restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.

My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers automatic 
hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window, hit the Hyphenate 
button, then copy them back out and paste them into the Finale lyrics window. 
You still have to check them (“Bless-ed” instead of “blessed”, for example) but 
it saves a ton of work.

http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/

Christopher


> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help with this
> problem, or at least point me in the right direction
> 
> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
> 
> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way (couple of
> glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me not being careful).
> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics Window,
> insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the lyrics to the
> score.
> 
> Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I copy/paste lyrics
> into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click assign' button the lyrics I have
> pasted disappear. Vanished! 
> 
> If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO appear in
> the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their connection to the
> score, i.e. if I then make a change in the lyrics using the edit window, the
> changes ARE NOT reflected in the score.
> 
> I checked the other versions of Finale that I keep installed for emergencies
> (2014 and 2014.5) and they exhibit exactly the same errors.
> 
> So I tried the version of 2014 that I keep on a laptop for emergencies - and
> that works just fine, exactly as expected.
> 
> I guess this means the problem is with my main PC or with something in some
> software or other that has updated itself recently. Yes, I've already tried
> rebooting the PC (many times!) and deleting the preferences and starting
> again.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this problem or can suggest where I could look
> to find the cause?
> 
> I am on Windows 10 with an i5 processor and NVIDIA GeForce graphics card
> 
> The setup has been working fine until today and I have been working with
> Finale since 1998!!
> 
> Any pointers much appreciated
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Michael Withers
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[John Roberts]

You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long ago, and use it 
all the time. Very useful.
JR



> On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often, hitting 
> Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> 
> My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers automatic 
> hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window, hit the Hyphenate 
> button, then copy them back out and paste them into the Finale lyrics window. 
> You still have to check them (“Bless-ed” instead of “blessed”, for example) 
> but it saves a ton of work.
> 
> http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
>> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help with this
>> problem, or at least point me in the right direction
>> 
>> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
>> 
>> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way (couple of
>> glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me not being careful).
>> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics Window,
>> insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the lyrics to the
>> score.
>> 
>> Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I copy/paste lyrics
>> into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click assign' button the lyrics I have
>> pasted disappear. Vanished! 
>> 
>> If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO appear in
>> the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their connection to the
>> score, i.e. if I then make a change in the lyrics using the edit window, the
>> changes ARE NOT reflected in the score.
>> 
>> I checked the other versions of Finale that I keep installed for emergencies
>> (2014 and 2014.5) and they exhibit exactly the same errors.
>> 
>> So I tried the version of 2014 that I keep on a laptop for emergencies - and
>> that works just fine, exactly as expected.
>> 
>> I guess this means the problem is with my main PC or with something in some
>> software or other that has updated itself recently. Yes, I've already tried
>> rebooting the PC (many times!) and deleting the preferences and starting
>> again.
>> 
>> Has anyone else experienced this problem or can suggest where I could look
>> to find the cause?
>> 
>> I am on Windows 10 with an i5 processor and NVIDIA GeForce graphics card
>> 
>> The setup has been working fine until today and I have been working with
>> Finale since 1998!!
>> 
>> Any pointers much appreciated
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Michael Withers
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Hi Christopher,

Many thanks for your suggestion but in this instance 'undo' does nothing and 
the lyrics remain doggedly missing!

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Smith
Sent: 09 February 2017 00:14
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

Hi Michael,

I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often, hitting Undo 
restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.

My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers automatic 
hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window, hit the Hyphenate 
button, then copy them back out and paste them into the Finale lyrics window. 
You still have to check them (“Bless-ed” instead of “blessed”, for example) but 
it saves a ton of work.

http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/

Christopher


> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help with 
> this problem, or at least point me in the right direction
> 
> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
> 
> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way (couple 
> of glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me not being 
> careful).
> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics 
> Window, insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the 
> lyrics to the score.
> 
> Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I copy/paste 
> lyrics into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click assign' button the 
> lyrics I have pasted disappear. Vanished!
> 
> If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO 
> appear in the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their 
> connection to the score, i.e. if I then make a change in the lyrics 
> using the edit window, the changes ARE NOT reflected in the score.
> 
> I checked the other versions of Finale that I keep installed for 
> emergencies
> (2014 and 2014.5) and they exhibit exactly the same errors.
> 
> So I tried the version of 2014 that I keep on a laptop for emergencies 
> - and that works just fine, exactly as expected.
> 
> I guess this means the problem is with my main PC or with something in 
> some software or other that has updated itself recently. Yes, I've 
> already tried rebooting the PC (many times!) and deleting the 
> preferences and starting again.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this problem or can suggest where I could 
> look to find the cause?
> 
> I am on Windows 10 with an i5 processor and NVIDIA GeForce graphics 
> card
> 
> The setup has been working fine until today and I have been working 
> with Finale since 1998!!
> 
> Any pointers much appreciated
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Michael Withers
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Hi John and Christopher,

Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a marvellous resource 
and worth sharing more widely.

Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en. This one 
works best with single words or shorter texts but has the advantage of allowing 
hyphenation in many different languages.

However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my problem: I 
can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool edit window!!

Thanks

Michael Withers

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
John Roberts
Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long ago, and use it 
all the time. Very useful.
JR



> On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often, hitting 
> Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> 
> My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers automatic 
> hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window, hit the Hyphenate 
> button, then copy them back out and paste them into the Finale lyrics window. 
> You still have to check them (“Bless-ed” instead of “blessed”, for example) 
> but it saves a ton of work.
> 
> http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
>> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help 
>> with this problem, or at least point me in the right direction
>> 
>> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
>> 
>> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way (couple 
>> of glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me not being 
>> careful).
>> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics 
>> Window, insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the 
>> lyrics to the score.
>> 
>> Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I copy/paste 
>> lyrics into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click assign' button the 
>> lyrics I have pasted disappear. Vanished!
>> 
>> If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO 
>> appear in the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their 
>> connection to the score, i.e. if I then make a change in the lyrics 
>> using the edit window, the changes ARE NOT reflected in the score.
>> 
>> I checked the other versions of Finale that I keep installed for 
>> emergencies
>> (2014 and 2014.5) and they exhibit exactly the same errors.
>> 
>> So I tried the version of 2014 that I keep on a laptop for 
>> emergencies - and that works just fine, exactly as expected.
>> 
>> I guess this means the problem is with my main PC or with something 
>> in some software or other that has updated itself recently. Yes, I've 
>> already tried rebooting the PC (many times!) and deleting the 
>> preferences and starting again.
>> 
>> Has anyone else experienced this problem or can suggest where I could 
>> look to find the cause?
>> 
>> I am on Windows 10 with an i5 processor and NVIDIA GeForce graphics 
>> card
>> 
>> The setup has been working fine until today and I have been working 
>> with Finale since 1998!!
>> 
>> Any pointers much appreciated
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Michael Withers
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Robert Patterson]

I've seen this problem, or similar, in Fin 25. Whatever causes the lyrics
disappear seems random, but usually I can restore them with Undo, provided
I go back far enough. You might also try restarting Finale or even the
computer. (I sometimes have to restart the computer for playback issues.)

But your problem sounds like a simpler issue. Are you certain that "Set
Current Lyric" is set to the same verse/chorus/section number as you are
expecting? There is some strange behavior around this feature and it is
worth checking.



On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:40 AM, Michael Withers <
mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi John and Christopher,
>
> Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a marvellous
> resource and worth sharing more widely.
>
> Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en. This
> one works best with single words or shorter texts but has the advantage of
> allowing hyphenation in many different languages.
>
> However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my problem:
> I can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool edit
> window!!
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael Withers
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
> Of John Roberts
> Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
>
> You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long ago, and
> use it all the time. Very useful.
> JR
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often,
> hitting Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> >
> > My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers
> automatic hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window, hit
> the Hyphenate button, then copy them back out and paste them into the
> Finale lyrics window. You still have to check them (“Bless-ed” instead of
> “blessed”, for example) but it saves a ton of work.
> >
> > http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> >
> >> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers <
> mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help
> >> with this problem, or at least point me in the right direction
> >>
> >> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
> >>
> >> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way (couple
> >> of glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me not being
> careful).
> >> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics
> >> Window, insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the
> >> lyrics to the score.
> >>
> >> Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I copy/paste
> >> lyrics into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click assign' button the
> >> lyrics I have pasted disappear. Vanished!
> >>
> >> If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO
> >> appear in the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their
> >> connection to the score, i.e. if I then make a change in the lyrics
> >> using the edit window, the changes ARE NOT reflected in the score.
> >>
> >> I checked the other versions of Finale that I keep installed for
> >> emergencies
> >> (2014 and 2014.5) and they exhibit exactly the same errors.
> >>
> >> So I tried the version of 2014 that I keep on a laptop for
> >> emergencies - and that works just fine, exactly as expected.
> >>
> >> I guess this means the problem is with my main PC or with something
> >> in some software or other that has updated itself recently. Yes, I've
> >> already tried rebooting the PC (many times!) and deleting the
> >> preferences and starting again.
> >>
> >> Has anyone else experienced this problem or can suggest where I could
> >> look to find the cause?
> >>
> >> I am on Windows 10 with an i5 processor and NVIDIA GeForce graphics
> >> card
> >>
> >> The setup has been working fine until today and I have been working
> >> with Finale since 1998!!
> >>
> >> Any pointers much appreciated
> >>
> >> Best wishes
> >>
&g

Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Thanks Robert. I'll double check the 'Set current lyric' settings but I think 
it's unlikely to be the cause as I have the same problem on v25 AND on 2014 and 
2014.5.

I've already tried all the usual rebooting PC and restarting Finale tricks to 
no avail.

Thanks anyway

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Robert Patterson
Sent: 09 February 2017 13:50
To: finale
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

I've seen this problem, or similar, in Fin 25. Whatever causes the lyrics 
disappear seems random, but usually I can restore them with Undo, provided I go 
back far enough. You might also try restarting Finale or even the computer. (I 
sometimes have to restart the computer for playback issues.)

But your problem sounds like a simpler issue. Are you certain that "Set Current 
Lyric" is set to the same verse/chorus/section number as you are expecting? 
There is some strange behavior around this feature and it is worth checking.



On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:40 AM, Michael Withers < mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Hi John and Christopher,
>
> Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a marvellous 
> resource and worth sharing more widely.
>
> Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en. This 
> one works best with single words or shorter texts but has the 
> advantage of allowing hyphenation in many different languages.
>
> However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my problem:
> I can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool edit 
> window!!
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael Withers
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of John Roberts
> Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
>
> You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long ago, 
> and use it all the time. Very useful.
> JR
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often,
> hitting Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> >
> > My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers
> automatic hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window, 
> hit the Hyphenate button, then copy them back out and paste them into 
> the Finale lyrics window. You still have to check them (“Bless-ed” 
> instead of “blessed”, for example) but it saves a ton of work.
> >
> > http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> >
> >> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers <
> mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help 
> >> with this problem, or at least point me in the right direction
> >>
> >> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
> >>
> >> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way 
> >> (couple of glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me 
> >> not being
> careful).
> >> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics 
> >> Window, insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the 
> >> lyrics to the score.
> >>
> >> Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I 
> >> copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click 
> >> assign' button the lyrics I have pasted disappear. Vanished!
> >>
> >> If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO 
> >> appear in the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their 
> >> connection to the score, i.e. if I then make a change in the lyrics 
> >> using the edit window, the changes ARE NOT reflected in the score.
> >>
> >> I checked the other versions of Finale that I keep installed for 
> >> emergencies
> >> (2014 and 2014.5) and they exhibit exactly the same errors.
> >>
> >> So I tried the version of 2014 that I keep on a laptop for 
> >> emergencies - and that works just fine, exactly as expected.
> >>
> >> I guess this means the problem is with my main PC or with something 
> >> in some software or other that has updated itself recently. Yes, 
> >> I've already tried rebooting the PC (many times!) and 

Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Robert Patterson]

If you want to send me a copy of the problem file privately, I'll be glad
to see what I can see about it.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Michael Withers <
mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:

> Thanks Robert. I'll double check the 'Set current lyric' settings but I
> think it's unlikely to be the cause as I have the same problem on v25 AND
> on 2014 and 2014.5.
>
> I've already tried all the usual rebooting PC and restarting Finale tricks
> to no avail.
>
> Thanks anyway
>
> Michael
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
> Of Robert Patterson
> Sent: 09 February 2017 13:50
> To: finale
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
>
> I've seen this problem, or similar, in Fin 25. Whatever causes the lyrics
> disappear seems random, but usually I can restore them with Undo, provided
> I go back far enough. You might also try restarting Finale or even the
> computer. (I sometimes have to restart the computer for playback issues.)
>
> But your problem sounds like a simpler issue. Are you certain that "Set
> Current Lyric" is set to the same verse/chorus/section number as you are
> expecting? There is some strange behavior around this feature and it is
> worth checking.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:40 AM, Michael Withers <
> mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi John and Christopher,
> >
> > Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a marvellous
> > resource and worth sharing more widely.
> >
> > Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en. This
> > one works best with single words or shorter texts but has the
> > advantage of allowing hyphenation in many different languages.
> >
> > However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my
> problem:
> > I can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool edit
> > window!!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Michael Withers
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On
> > Behalf Of John Roberts
> > Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
> > To: finale@shsu.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> >
> > You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long ago,
> > and use it all the time. Very useful.
> > JR
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <
> > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Michael,
> > >
> > > I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often,
> > hitting Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> > >
> > > My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers
> > automatic hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window,
> > hit the Hyphenate button, then copy them back out and paste them into
> > the Finale lyrics window. You still have to check them (“Bless-ed”
> > instead of “blessed”, for example) but it saves a ton of work.
> > >
> > > http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/
> > >
> > > Christopher
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers <
> > mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dear all,
> > >>
> > >> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help
> > >> with this problem, or at least point me in the right direction
> > >>
> > >> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
> > >>
> > >> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way
> > >> (couple of glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or me
> > >> not being
> > careful).
> > >> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics
> > >> Window, insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign the
> > >> lyrics to the score.
> > >>
> > >> Today, the Lyrics Window is behaving very strangely. If I
> > >> copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics Window and click the 'Click
> > >> assign' button the lyrics I have pasted disappear. Vanished!
> > >>
> > >> If I put the lyrics in by using type-in-score then the lyrics DO
> > >> appear in the Lyrics edit window but don't seem to retain their
> > >> connection to the score, i.e. if I then make a

Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Hi Robert,

Many thanks for the offer but it seems to be a general thing. I have exactly 
the same behaviour if I start a completely new test file. Still it would do no 
harm to check. I'll send you something later on today.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Robert Patterson
Sent: 09 February 2017 15:20
To: finale
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

If you want to send me a copy of the problem file privately, I'll be glad to 
see what I can see about it.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Michael Withers < mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Thanks Robert. I'll double check the 'Set current lyric' settings but 
> I think it's unlikely to be the cause as I have the same problem on 
> v25 AND on 2014 and 2014.5.
>
> I've already tried all the usual rebooting PC and restarting Finale 
> tricks to no avail.
>
> Thanks anyway
>
> Michael
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Patterson
> Sent: 09 February 2017 13:50
> To: finale
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
>
> I've seen this problem, or similar, in Fin 25. Whatever causes the 
> lyrics disappear seems random, but usually I can restore them with 
> Undo, provided I go back far enough. You might also try restarting 
> Finale or even the computer. (I sometimes have to restart the computer 
> for playback issues.)
>
> But your problem sounds like a simpler issue. Are you certain that 
> "Set Current Lyric" is set to the same verse/chorus/section number as 
> you are expecting? There is some strange behavior around this feature 
> and it is worth checking.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:40 AM, Michael Withers < 
> mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi John and Christopher,
> >
> > Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a marvellous 
> > resource and worth sharing more widely.
> >
> > Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en. 
> > This one works best with single words or shorter texts but has the 
> > advantage of allowing hyphenation in many different languages.
> >
> > However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my
> problem:
> > I can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool 
> > edit window!!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Michael Withers
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> > Behalf Of John Roberts
> > Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
> > To: finale@shsu.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> >
> > You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long ago, 
> > and use it all the time. Very useful.
> > JR
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <
> > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Michael,
> > >
> > > I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often,
> > hitting Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> > >
> > > My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers
> > automatic hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window, 
> > hit the Hyphenate button, then copy them back out and paste them 
> > into the Finale lyrics window. You still have to check them (“Bless-ed”
> > instead of “blessed”, for example) but it saves a ton of work.
> > >
> > > http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/
> > >
> > > Christopher
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers <
> > mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dear all,
> > >>
> > >> I'm hoping the corporate wisdom of this illustrious list can help 
> > >> with this problem, or at least point me in the right direction
> > >>
> > >> Everything has been going OK with Finale 25 since I upgraded.
> > >>
> > >> Yesterday I was successfully entering lyrics in my usual way 
> > >> (couple of glitches but I put that down to inaccurate fingers or 
> > >> me not being
> > careful).
> > >> My usual way of working is to copy/paste lyrics into the Lyrics 
> > >> Window, insert the necessary hyphenation and then click-assign 
> > >> the lyrics to the score.
> > >>
> >

Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Robert Patterson]

Okay. Another idea I had is to trash your preferences. Sometimes this helps
with weird behavior, especially if it was working for a while before the
problems started.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Michael Withers <
mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> Many thanks for the offer but it seems to be a general thing. I have
> exactly the same behaviour if I start a completely new test file. Still it
> would do no harm to check. I'll send you something later on today.
>
> Michael
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
> Of Robert Patterson
> Sent: 09 February 2017 15:20
> To: finale
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
>
> If you want to send me a copy of the problem file privately, I'll be glad
> to see what I can see about it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Michael Withers <
> mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Robert. I'll double check the 'Set current lyric' settings but
> > I think it's unlikely to be the cause as I have the same problem on
> > v25 AND on 2014 and 2014.5.
> >
> > I've already tried all the usual rebooting PC and restarting Finale
> > tricks to no avail.
> >
> > Thanks anyway
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On
> > Behalf Of Robert Patterson
> > Sent: 09 February 2017 13:50
> > To: finale
> > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> >
> > I've seen this problem, or similar, in Fin 25. Whatever causes the
> > lyrics disappear seems random, but usually I can restore them with
> > Undo, provided I go back far enough. You might also try restarting
> > Finale or even the computer. (I sometimes have to restart the computer
> > for playback issues.)
> >
> > But your problem sounds like a simpler issue. Are you certain that
> > "Set Current Lyric" is set to the same verse/chorus/section number as
> > you are expecting? There is some strange behavior around this feature
> > and it is worth checking.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:40 AM, Michael Withers <
> > mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John and Christopher,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a marvellous
> > > resource and worth sharing more widely.
> > >
> > > Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en.
> > > This one works best with single words or shorter texts but has the
> > > advantage of allowing hyphenation in many different languages.
> > >
> > > However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my
> > problem:
> > > I can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool
> > > edit window!!
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Michael Withers
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On
> > > Behalf Of John Roberts
> > > Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
> > > To: finale@shsu.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> > >
> > > You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long ago,
> > > and use it all the time. Very useful.
> > > JR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <
> > > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. Often,
> > > hitting Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> > > >
> > > > My contribution is to provide you with this website, which offers
> > > automatic hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this window,
> > > hit the Hyphenate button, then copy them back out and paste them
> > > into the Finale lyrics window. You still have to check them (“Bless-ed”
> > > instead of “blessed”, for example) but it saves a ton of work.
> > > >
> > > > http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/
> > > >
> > > > Christopher
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed Feb 8, at WednesdayFeb 8 3:47 PM, Michael Withers <
> > > mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Dear all,

Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Great idea. Just tried it and it makes no difference unfortunately.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Robert Patterson
Sent: 09 February 2017 17:06
To: finale
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

Okay. Another idea I had is to trash your preferences. Sometimes this helps 
with weird behavior, especially if it was working for a while before the 
problems started.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Michael Withers < 
mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> Many thanks for the offer but it seems to be a general thing. I have 
> exactly the same behaviour if I start a completely new test file. 
> Still it would do no harm to check. I'll send you something later on today.
>
> Michael
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Patterson
> Sent: 09 February 2017 15:20
> To: finale
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
>
> If you want to send me a copy of the problem file privately, I'll be 
> glad to see what I can see about it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Michael Withers < 
> mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Robert. I'll double check the 'Set current lyric' settings 
> > but I think it's unlikely to be the cause as I have the same problem 
> > on
> > v25 AND on 2014 and 2014.5.
> >
> > I've already tried all the usual rebooting PC and restarting Finale 
> > tricks to no avail.
> >
> > Thanks anyway
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> > Behalf Of Robert Patterson
> > Sent: 09 February 2017 13:50
> > To: finale
> > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> >
> > I've seen this problem, or similar, in Fin 25. Whatever causes the 
> > lyrics disappear seems random, but usually I can restore them with 
> > Undo, provided I go back far enough. You might also try restarting 
> > Finale or even the computer. (I sometimes have to restart the 
> > computer for playback issues.)
> >
> > But your problem sounds like a simpler issue. Are you certain that 
> > "Set Current Lyric" is set to the same verse/chorus/section number 
> > as you are expecting? There is some strange behavior around this 
> > feature and it is worth checking.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:40 AM, Michael Withers < 
> > mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John and Christopher,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a 
> > > marvellous resource and worth sharing more widely.
> > >
> > > Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en.
> > > This one works best with single words or shorter texts but has the 
> > > advantage of allowing hyphenation in many different languages.
> > >
> > > However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my
> > problem:
> > > I can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool 
> > > edit window!!
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Michael Withers
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> > > Behalf Of John Roberts
> > > Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
> > > To: finale@shsu.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> > >
> > > You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long 
> > > ago, and use it all the time. Very useful.
> > > JR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <
> > > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > I rarely get problems like this, though I’ve heard of them. 
> > > > Often,
> > > hitting Undo restores the lyrics when they disappear, I’ve been told.
> > > >
> > > > My contribution is to provide you with this website, which 
> > > > offers
> > > automatic hyphenation in English. Copy your lyrics into this 
> > > window, hit the Hyphenate button, then copy them back out and 
> > > paste them into the Finale lyrics window. You still have to check them 
> > > (“Bless-ed”
> > > instead of “blessed”, for example) but it

Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

[Michael Withers]

Dear all,

My lyrics problem has now righted itself - and I have no idea why it just 
started working again!

HOWEVER for the record, I want to express my thanks to Michael Johnson, VP 
Professional Notation at MakeMusic, who leapt straight onto the case from what 
he saw on this list and has spent quite a while trying to help me get to the 
bottom of the problem.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Michael Withers
Sent: 09 February 2017 19:01
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

Great idea. Just tried it and it makes no difference unfortunately.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Robert Patterson
Sent: 09 February 2017 17:06
To: finale
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem

Okay. Another idea I had is to trash your preferences. Sometimes this helps 
with weird behavior, especially if it was working for a while before the 
problems started.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Michael Withers < 
mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> Many thanks for the offer but it seems to be a general thing. I have 
> exactly the same behaviour if I start a completely new test file.
> Still it would do no harm to check. I'll send you something later on today.
>
> Michael
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Patterson
> Sent: 09 February 2017 15:20
> To: finale
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
>
> If you want to send me a copy of the problem file privately, I'll be 
> glad to see what I can see about it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Michael Withers < 
> mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Robert. I'll double check the 'Set current lyric' settings 
> > but I think it's unlikely to be the cause as I have the same problem 
> > on
> > v25 AND on 2014 and 2014.5.
> >
> > I've already tried all the usual rebooting PC and restarting Finale 
> > tricks to no avail.
> >
> > Thanks anyway
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> > Behalf Of Robert Patterson
> > Sent: 09 February 2017 13:50
> > To: finale
> > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> >
> > I've seen this problem, or similar, in Fin 25. Whatever causes the 
> > lyrics disappear seems random, but usually I can restore them with 
> > Undo, provided I go back far enough. You might also try restarting 
> > Finale or even the computer. (I sometimes have to restart the 
> > computer for playback issues.)
> >
> > But your problem sounds like a simpler issue. Are you certain that 
> > "Set Current Lyric" is set to the same verse/chorus/section number 
> > as you are expecting? There is some strange behavior around this 
> > feature and it is worth checking.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:40 AM, Michael Withers < 
> > mich...@michaelwithers.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John and Christopher,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the link to the lyric hyphenator page. It's a 
> > > marvellous resource and worth sharing more widely.
> > >
> > > Another great hyphenator is https://www.ushuaia.pl/hyphen/?ln=en.
> > > This one works best with single words or shorter texts but has the 
> > > advantage of allowing hyphenation in many different languages.
> > >
> > > However, marvellous as they are, they are a perfect example of my
> > problem:
> > > I can't use them because I can't copy/paste into the lyrics tool 
> > > edit window!!
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Michael Withers
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> > > Behalf Of John Roberts
> > > Sent: 09 February 2017 03:14
> > > To: finale@shsu.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25: Lyrics window problem
> > >
> > > You beat me to it, Christopher! I found this page not too long 
> > > ago, and use it all the time. Very useful.
> > > JR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <
> > > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > I rarely get 

Re: [Finale] Finale 25 printing in El Capitan

[Eric Dannewitz]

Make sure you are up on all the system updates. There were some printer updates 
that dropped about 3 weeks ago that included brother printers

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> On Nov 7, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Jim Fischer  wrote:
> 
> I was printing multiple pages to my Brother Laser printer.
> I ask for 3 copies and only 1 comes out. I had to do 2 more single page 
> copies.
> Am I missing something?
> 
> thx, Jim
> 
> :: j i m  f i s c h e r
> :: p r o d u c e r ♫ ♪ ♫
> :: m u s i c  b o x
> :: p r o d u c t i o n s
> :: v a n c o u v e r,  w a,  u s a
> :: www.jimfischer.net 
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 printing in El Capitan

[Dick Hauser]

The first thing I’d check is the setting in the print dialogue for printing 
only odd or even pages.  Probably you too, but it’s worth a mention.


Dick H
OlyWa



> On Nov 7, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Jim Fischer  wrote:
> 
> I was printing multiple pages to my Brother Laser printer.
> I ask for 3 copies and only 1 comes out. I had to do 2 more single page 
> copies.
> Am I missing something?
> 
> thx, Jim
> 
> :: j i m  f i s c h e r
> :: p r o d u c e r ♫ ♪ ♫
> :: m u s i c  b o x
> :: p r o d u c t i o n s
> :: v a n c o u v e r,  w a,  u s a
> :: www.jimfischer.net 
> 
> 
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[Finale] FINALE 25 Surface Pro 4 losing authorization

[Howey, Henry]

Has anyone else seen this? This is now the fourth time it has happened.

It's a weekend now so no phone support. I can keep working, but it's getting 
tiresome.

Henry Howey
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Re: [Finale] FINALE 25 Surface Pro 4 losing authorization

[Justin Phillips]

Have you ran Finale as an administrator (right-click the app icon and select 
"Run as Administrator")?

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> On Nov 26, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Howey, Henry  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else seen this? This is now the fourth time it has happened.
> 
> It's a weekend now so no phone support. I can keep working, but it's getting 
> tiresome.
> 
> Henry Howey
> Sent from my iWhatever
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Re: [Finale] FINALE 25 Surface Pro 4 losing authorization

[kaub001]

I get this too. I submitted a support request and am waiting.

I have a Dell, though, not a surface pro. I do have win10.

I ran my as administrator. still get the problem.


 Justin Phillips  wrote: 
> Have you ran Finale as an administrator (right-click the app icon and select 
> "Run as Administrator")?
> 
> ---
> Justin Phillips
> justinwphill...@gmail.com
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Howey, Henry  wrote:
> > 
> > Has anyone else seen this? This is now the fourth time it has happened.
> > 
> > It's a weekend now so no phone support. I can keep working, but it's 
> > getting tiresome.
> > 
> > Henry Howey
> > Sent from my iWhatever
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25- Mr Serling has left the building

[Raymond Horton]

I will never understand what was going on Thursday afternoon, but when I
attempted to post this bizarre behavior to the Makemusic tech people, and
was trying to find an example in old and new versions of the file in order
that they could tell the difference, the old version was no longer showing
up. All seems okay, right now, knock on wood.

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016


On Aug 18, 2016 5:47 PM, "Raymond Horton"  wrote:

> This is Twilight Zone stuff, folks. I have installed Finale for windows
> 25, seems to come up just fine. The first thing I try is the lengthy file I
> earlier reported having trouble with in 2012 and 2014 .5. But, when I go to
> the folder and which I keep both the mus and  musx versions of this file,
> the most recent versions of each file show up as being saved on July 28th!
> I have made many huge changes in this file since then , even reordering the
> songs. So, I close 25 , separately go into versions 2012 and 2014 .5 and
> save each file again. Then I try opening from outside finale 25 by
> right-clicking on the desktop itself,  version 25 being an option there.
> Each file version, separately, opens up in finale 25, but it is the version
> from July 28th!
>
> Right now I'm checking around the corner for Rod Serling. If anyone living
> can offer help, please do!!!
>
> Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2016 1:49 PM, "Robert Patterson" 
> wrote:
>
> Patterson Plugins for Finale 25 are now available at the website.
>
> http://robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/finmain.html
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Raymond Horton  >
> wrote:
>
> > Already Windows 10, so no problem there. I am convinced by this review, I
> > am buying!!!
> >
> > Raymond Horton
> > Composer, Arranger
> > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> >
> >
> > On Aug 17, 2016 10:49 AM, "Eric Dannewitz" 
> wrote:
> >
> > > True, though you are being "high suggested" to move to Windows 10 and
> > then
> > > there is the whole Windows thing with dealing with viruses and security
> > > issues..
> > >
> > > Sometimes it's better to be in a park than to look at it through a
> window
> > >
> > > Sent from my iSomething
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Raymond Horton <
> horton.raym...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks. ( I am a Windows guy, so I don't need to own any national
> parks
> > > > before running!)
> > > >
> > > > Raymond Horton
> > > > Composer, Arranger
> > > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > > > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 17, 2016 10:41 AM, "Christopher Smith" <
> > > > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Here’s a review. Click on Robert Puff’s link at the bottom of this
> > > review,
> > > >> too. One of them ran speed tests, and Finale v. 25 is almost, but
> not
> > > >> quite, as fast as 2012 in most things, but faster than 2014.5 in
> > almost
> > > >> everything. But then, you need Yosemite at least to run Finale v.
> 25.
> > > >>
> > > >> Christopher
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/makemusic-releases-
> > > version-25-of-finale/
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Wed Aug 17, at WednesdayAug 17 10:29 AM, Raymond Horton <
> > > >> horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> There is a very helpful report. Would you be interested in running
> a
> > > >> couple
> > > >>> of speed tests, with a file I send you?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Raymond Horton
> > > >>> Composer, Arranger
> > > >>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > > >>> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Aug 17, 2016 10:24 AM, "Steve Gruver" 
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I just upgraded to Finale 25 from v2014.5 and have it found it to
> be
> > > very
> > > >>> stable and fast (especially when doing playback of a file).
> However,
> > > be
> > > >>> aware that TGTools, JW Tools, etc will NOT work with this new
> version
> > > >> until
> > > >>> they come out with a 64-bit version.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I received an email from Tobias Giesen (TGTools) this morning
> stating
> > > >> that
> > > >>> a 64-bit version for MacOS will be out in a couple of weeks.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Steve
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25- okay, but I don't know what's going on.

[Raymond Horton]

This is Twilight Zone stuff, folks. I have installed Finale for windows 25,
seems to come up just fine. The first thing I try is the lengthy file I
earlier reported having trouble with in 2012 and 2014 .5. But, when I go to
the folder and which I keep both the mus and  musx versions of this file,
the most recent versions of each file show up as being saved on July 28th!
I have made many huge changes in this file since then , even reordering the
songs. So, I close 25 , separately go into versions 2012 and 2014 .5 and
save each file again. Then I try opening from outside finale 25 by
right-clicking on the desktop itself,  version 25 being an option there.
Each file version, separately, opens up in finale 25, but it is the version
from July 28th!

Right now I'm checking around the corner for Rod Serling. If anyone living
can offer help, please do!!!

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016


On Aug 17, 2016 1:49 PM, "Robert Patterson" 
wrote:

Patterson Plugins for Finale 25 are now available at the website.

http://robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/finmain.html

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Raymond Horton 
wrote:

> Already Windows 10, so no problem there. I am convinced by this review, I
> am buying!!!
>
> Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2016 10:49 AM, "Eric Dannewitz"  wrote:
>
> > True, though you are being "high suggested" to move to Windows 10 and
> then
> > there is the whole Windows thing with dealing with viruses and security
> > issues..
> >
> > Sometimes it's better to be in a park than to look at it through a
window
> >
> > Sent from my iSomething
> > --
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Raymond Horton 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks. ( I am a Windows guy, so I don't need to own any national
parks
> > > before running!)
> > >
> > > Raymond Horton
> > > Composer, Arranger
> > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 17, 2016 10:41 AM, "Christopher Smith" <
> > > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Here’s a review. Click on Robert Puff’s link at the bottom of this
> > review,
> > >> too. One of them ran speed tests, and Finale v. 25 is almost, but not
> > >> quite, as fast as 2012 in most things, but faster than 2014.5 in
> almost
> > >> everything. But then, you need Yosemite at least to run Finale v. 25.
> > >>
> > >> Christopher
> > >>
> > >> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/makemusic-releases-
> > version-25-of-finale/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed Aug 17, at WednesdayAug 17 10:29 AM, Raymond Horton <
> > >> horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> There is a very helpful report. Would you be interested in running a
> > >> couple
> > >>> of speed tests, with a file I send you?
> > >>>
> > >>> Raymond Horton
> > >>> Composer, Arranger
> > >>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > >>> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Aug 17, 2016 10:24 AM, "Steve Gruver"  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I just upgraded to Finale 25 from v2014.5 and have it found it to be
> > very
> > >>> stable and fast (especially when doing playback of a file).
However,
> > be
> > >>> aware that TGTools, JW Tools, etc will NOT work with this new
version
> > >> until
> > >>> they come out with a 64-bit version.
> > >>>
> > >>> I received an email from Tobias Giesen (TGTools) this morning
stating
> > >> that
> > >>> a 64-bit version for MacOS will be out in a couple of weeks.
> > >>>
> > >>> Steve
> > >>> ___
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25- okay, but I don't know what's going on.

[Raymond Horton]

PUT A HOLD ON THIS. IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING OK RIGHT NOW. Maybe it needed a
few hours to itself. I'll check it again Friday. We both need some rest.

​Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Raymond Horton 
wrote:

> This is Twilight Zone stuff, folks. I have installed Finale for windows
> 25, seems to come up just fine. The first thing I try is the lengthy file I
> earlier reported having trouble with in 2012 and 2014 .5. But, when I go to
> the folder and which I keep both the mus and  musx versions of this file,
> the most recent versions of each file show up as being saved on July 28th!
> I have made many huge changes in this file since then , even reordering the
> songs. So, I close 25 , separately go into versions 2012 and 2014 .5 and
> save each file again. Then I try opening from outside finale 25 by
> right-clicking on the desktop itself,  version 25 being an option there.
> Each file version, separately, opens up in finale 25, but it is the version
> from July 28th!
>
> Right now I'm checking around the corner for Rod Serling. If anyone living
> can offer help, please do!!!
>
> Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2016 1:49 PM, "Robert Patterson" 
> wrote:
>
> Patterson Plugins for Finale 25 are now available at the website.
>
> http://robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/finmain.html
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Raymond Horton  >
> wrote:
>
> > Already Windows 10, so no problem there. I am convinced by this review, I
> > am buying!!!
> >
> > Raymond Horton
> > Composer, Arranger
> > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> >
> >
> > On Aug 17, 2016 10:49 AM, "Eric Dannewitz" 
> wrote:
> >
> > > True, though you are being "high suggested" to move to Windows 10 and
> > then
> > > there is the whole Windows thing with dealing with viruses and security
> > > issues..
> > >
> > > Sometimes it's better to be in a park than to look at it through a
> window
> > >
> > > Sent from my iSomething
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Raymond Horton <
> horton.raym...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks. ( I am a Windows guy, so I don't need to own any national
> parks
> > > > before running!)
> > > >
> > > > Raymond Horton
> > > > Composer, Arranger
> > > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > > > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 17, 2016 10:41 AM, "Christopher Smith" <
> > > > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Here’s a review. Click on Robert Puff’s link at the bottom of this
> > > review,
> > > >> too. One of them ran speed tests, and Finale v. 25 is almost, but
> not
> > > >> quite, as fast as 2012 in most things, but faster than 2014.5 in
> > almost
> > > >> everything. But then, you need Yosemite at least to run Finale v.
> 25.
> > > >>
> > > >> Christopher
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/makemusic-releases-
> > > version-25-of-finale/
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Wed Aug 17, at WednesdayAug 17 10:29 AM, Raymond Horton <
> > > >> horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> There is a very helpful report. Would you be interested in running
> a
> > > >> couple
> > > >>> of speed tests, with a file I send you?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Raymond Horton
> > > >>> Composer, Arranger
> > > >>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > > >>> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Aug 17, 2016 10:24 AM, "Steve Gruver" 
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I just upgraded to Finale 25 from v2014.5 and have it found it to
> be
> > > very
> > > >>> stable and fast (especially when doing playback of a file).
> However,
> > > be
> > > >>> aware that TGTools, JW Tools, etc will NOT work with this new
> version
> > > >> until
> > > >>> they come out with a 64-bit version.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I received an email from Tobias Giesen (TGTools) this morning
> stating
> > > >> that
> > > >>> a 64-bit version for MacOS will be out in a couple of weeks.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Steve
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