Lisa's Post on Driving Training
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wanted to be sure to thank Lisa for her post on driving safety and training. I vividly remember her posts from several years ago, and have always appreciated them. One thing that stuck in my mind that she did not repeat this time is her stories of touring her Norcal neighborhood on garbage pickup day, with clanging garbage cans being hoisted overhead into garbage trucks. Seems to me she even assigned people to jump out OF garbage cans..or at least clang the lids.something like that. (There IS a reason I have not volunteered to be her assistant!). This last post had some great suggestions. I have a trained to drive horse that is inclined toward spookiness (he shys and looks at things like an Arab sometimes). He is very rusty now. After Lisa's post, I will be MUCH more thorough about redoing his training before trying to drive him again. And, Lisa reminded me, as I said, that the pull to a stop technique cannot be relied upon. A stop has to come out of obedience, not force in order to be safe. Sure, force will stop a horse sometimes, but it should not be relied upon. If anyone missed Lisa's post..please find it and read it. I almost did not see it. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: We've got a CoverGirl and CoverFjord on the front of Driving Digest!!!!!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] And another thing that is nice to see, from my point of view, is that Linda has put the sleigh bells on correctly -- OUTSIDE the shafts. She'll have those bells in one piece a lot longer -- and I'm sure Reidar will be happier in the long run. DeeAnna http://classicbells.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I pried open my frozen mailbox and, WOW, there she was - Linda Syverson-Kerr!! She's driving a lovely cutter pulled by the beauteous Reidar... The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Driving the spooky horse
This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to second what Lisa has posted regarding being thorough with your driving training. I had the privilege of working with a very respected, true horseman, who drove drafts. He actually drove a famous 6 and 8-up hitch of Percherons that showed at draft shows across the nation. I can't remember the name of the hitch now and he hasn't driven for them in several years, but he won A LOT. His method for starting horses driving was to ground drive them for countless hours and days, in a halter (a flat halter, no less) with only ONE long leadrope. When he could drive that horse wherever he wanted, turning whichever direction he wanted, no matter what side he was on or how far back he was from the horse, he put a harness on them and then ground drove them for hours and days in harness. When he was satisfied that they were settled and confident in their work, then he would attach faux shafts, drag tires, etc. for another set of hours and days before actually hitching them. It was a pleasure to watch him work with the horses. He was never gruff with them and spoke to them in a normal tone of voice. He always said that the horses could hear him speaking at a normal volume, even over the clang and rattle of the heel chains and farm equipment. He was right! Those horses always had their ears on them and they always had his attention, even when he was talking to folks riding with him. He and I had a discussion about whether or not to use blinkers while driving. His theory was, because in this day and age we don't use our horses every day, all day, like was done in the days before automotive power, it is probably more safe nowadays to use blinkers on a horse. I do agree with this. Although I know that there are some horses that fare better without blinkers, I think that far more are better off with them. He also felt that using blinkers would better allow a teamster to put a variety of noisey farm equipment behind a team of horses. I remember starting Obie in harness without blinkers at first, then when I added the blinkered bridle, it was almost comic to watch him trying to see around the blinkers! He was holding his head as high as he could, then holding it low, then to one side and another! It was a riot. It took him almost a week of going like that before he accepted the fact that he wouldn't be able to see around the darned things! He is awesome to drive, by the way. Over the years, I have had my share of experiences with runaways, both in saddle and in harness. A true runaway cannot be stopped by any kind of force what-so-ever (unless it's some kind of physical obstacle that the poor animal runs into). A runaway horse has to peak before it can even begin to listen to any kind of signals the human might be trying to give it. Yelling anything (like WHOA) while a horse is truly running will only serve to frighten it more. You're better off just trying to ride it out (if it is safe to do so) until you feel the horse begin to look for support, at which point you can sometimes reel them in before they get going again. If you are riding a horse that runs, you have a choice of bailing or not and hope that the horse doesn't run somewhere that will harm itself or someone else. If you are driving a horse that runs, pray that you don't have to turn, because the carriage will surely tip over and, more often than not, solid obstacles are not enough to stop a runaway dragging a carriage behind it. And, more often than not, someone is going to get seriously injured. Like Lisa said, horses that startle, or are constantly looking behind them, or have that 1,000 mile stare, are a red flag for me, telling me that the horse needs more work to become a solid driving animal. It's not something to take personally, or ito be embarrased about. It's just horses. True horsemen and women are always going back to basics to help with their horses' confidence, no matter what discipline they are training. You should be able to shake cans, toss things around the horse's feet, toss stuff that touches is sides, hindquarters, legs, something that goes inbetween their legs (pool noodles are great for this!) etc., etc., without that horse either moving (or even caring) if it is standing, OR without changing cadence or speed if it is moving. I ESPECIALLY feel that it is important that the horse can handle these things while it is moving, whether it is wearing blinkers or not. Lisa also mentioned the problem with green drivers/riders training green horses. The problem is not necessarily that the green person is not a capable person, but that person may not have the experience to be able to tell what signals the horse is giving them about it's level of confidence. Bad things happen...in a heartbeat...(right Gail?) with VERY experienced drivers and experienced horses! An experienced horseperson is usually going
Re: Driving the spooky horse
This message is from: Dianne White [EMAIL PROTECTED] I need to add my 2 cents worth here too. I started as a green driver with a green horse. Draako was my first (well really, only Fjord) so the breed was foreign to me. A friend suggested that I join the local driving club and learn to drive. What fun I thought! The club was very helpful but I made plenty of mistakes. Luckily I was only ground driving. When ground driving, Draako found out that if he just started spinning in circles he could quickly pull the lines out of my hands and off he went on a joyous run around the place, driving lines in tow. When he did it a second time, he actually fell down all wrapped it up in the driving lines, managed to get up and take off like a shot. Too dangerous for us to continue at that time. I decided to break him to ride since I have tons of experience doing that and I needed to let him know that I did know a thing or two. Riding was a breeze. However, I was cautioned not to miss any steps that I would normally take breaking any other breed and not to mistake willingness for being trained. I took that advice seriously. Our club has sponsored semi-annual driving clinics so I started taking lessons at them. The very first clinician really stressed safety and for that I am greatful. After learning some at these clinics I started back to ground driving. I ground drove for almost 6 months. I walked many miles behind my boy (got in pretty good shape too!) I would walk throught the barn and knock over trash cans, slam every stall and tack room door, hit my whip on the rafters, etc. Then added the tire, then the shafts and finally the cart. Walked behind that for awhile too. Finally I got in. Everything went well. We have had a few scarey moments though. At one clinic, Draako was getting a little testy because he really didn't want to move forward so at the right moment when the onion, conveyer truck drove by, he took off. Since my husband was video taping this, I was able to count the times I said WHOA. That would be 13 times. Needless to say, we needed to work on his halt. But I made plenty of mistakes and thank goodness that Fjords are very forgiving. So I had the pleasure of learning how to correct those mistakes. We now (well up until his stifle injury) drive alot, still attend clinics and he is so much fun. I guess my main message here is that regardless of what breed you have, driving is not something that you rush in to. You need to do your time on your ground work and then decide if the horse is suitable for driving or even likes it. Dianne and Draako ( who is snug in his barn during our latest snow storm) (with wind. We hate the wind) - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
re: to use blinkers or not when driving spook-prone Fjord?
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, I have been driving my new Fjord mare (got her in October) and she is doing fabulously. But I have the intuitive feeling that she may feel more safe withOUT the blinkers on her driving bridle. I am wondering what you all think. She is the kind of Fjord that is very forward moving, loves to go, and has a hard time with Woah! She also likes to stop and look at anything that concerns her, and she does spook occasionally. When on a trail ride with other horses, she doesn't spook at all. She is bold and competitive (although she is low low low on the horse hierarchy in a herd situation). when trail riding her by myself, she spooks at least once or twice per ride. It is a jump sideways, and then she looks. Or often she jumps and bolts about 10 feet or so, and then allows me to pull her to a stop. When driving, since she is green, she gets concerned by the noise of the cart behind her when we go over bumps and tree roots etc. She also gets a little excited by the feel/sound of the cart behind her when we trot, so she raises her head and speeds up. I am working on asking her for a trot and then asking her to be slow and calm in the trot . She is doing well. The one time I drove her out on the roads with another horse that was also pulling a cart, she did fine UNTIL we tried a trot. when I asked for a trot, she became so alarmed by the sound of the cart on the road, that she put her head up high and off to the side and went really fast with an I'm terrified body language. I got terrified myself, but managed to get her to stop and walk calmly. I know it is NOT traditional to drive a horse without blinkers. But my feeling is that if she could see what was behind her, she may not get so tense and scared. Do you think this is correct, or am I missing some huge safety factor here? This thursday we were driving through the woods around my house, and we got close to the pasture where Splendora lives with her Donkey. The donkey came running, and it spooked Splendora enough that she bolted forward. I got pulled to my knees in the cart, and therefore lost rein contact so couldn't pull her to a stop. My silly husband was sitting there calmly on the seat. I had to actually TELL him to grab the reins and get her to stop! I'm thinking that spook and lurch forward wouldn't have happened had she had more range of vision. Any suggestions? Do I keep driving with blinkers and let her turn from green to some other shade slowly with time and practice? Or do I take the blinkers off and let her see what is going on around her? Thanks! jen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
re: to use blinkers or not when driving spook-prone Fjord?
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] In Norway they generally do NOT use blinkers driving their Fjords! Open bridles is what I see on most every photo of Fjords driving in Norway. If you do go with an open bridle be sure to start without the cart, from the beginning again. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where is cold again -40 in the low areas to -15 on the hills. I have been driving my new Fjord mare (got her in October) and she is doing fabulously. But I have the intuitive feeling that she may feel more safe withOUT the blinkers on her driving bridle. I am wondering what you all think. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: to use blinkers or not when driving spook-prone Fjord?
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should keep the blinkers on and go back to ground driving. And get professional help. This may not be a driving horse. My husband and I are victims of a carriage accident, with a professional German certified driver at the reins. My husband's foot was badly hurt, I ripped apart my shoulder, another passenger had a brain injury, another shattered her clavicle. And that was a GOOD outcome. What you are describing is an imminent catastrophe. Until you have been in a carriage accident or witnessed multiple carriage accidents, you have no real idea how bad it can be. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: to use blinkers or not when driving spook-prone Fjord?
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Jean, and thank you for that info that they drive in open bridles in Norway. That gives me some encouragement that an open bridle may be the thing to do with Splendora. When you say start again, do you mean start by ground driving her in an open bridle, then when she is comfy with that, move to hitching her to the cart but still walking beside the cart with long reins and ground driving her that way, and finally getting in the cart with her in an open bridle? Thanks in advance for your clarification, Jen On 1/26/08, Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] In Norway they generally do NOT use blinkers driving their Fjords! Open bridles is what I see on most every photo of Fjords driving in Norway. If you do go with an open bridle be sure to start without the cart, from the beginning again. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where is cold again -40 in the low areas to -15 on the hills. I have been driving my new Fjord mare (got her in October) and she is doing fabulously. But I have the intuitive feeling that she may feel more safe withOUT the blinkers on her driving bridle. I am wondering what you all think. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: to use blinkers or not when driving spook-prone Fjord?
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] HI Jen, I have been on the Combined Driving List and the RED list for many years, but have frequented neither recently. I think Karen McCarthy still reads them from time to time.I believe I have seen vivid descriptions of the danger of driving a horse hitched to a cart from the ground as very dangerous. Please ask someone for a more complete description of the hazards of doing this. I am hoping someone who is a better driver than me will respond. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
re: to use blinkers or not when driving spook-prone Fjord?
This message is from: Alicia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] HI, I would try going back to ground driving first. Keep the blinkers and reward her for calming down. If you have someone to pull the cart around her or behind her while you lead her or tie her up it will teach her to calm down and that the cart will not hurt her. Just really de-sensitize her to the cart, equipment and anything else you can think of, ie. plastic bags, bridges, dogs, etc. If she gets upset just keep doint it until she calms down then stop doing what was making her uncomfterble. For example if you are pulling the cart around and she gets upset about it, keep it up till she calms down, then stop pulling the cart and reward her. If you can pull the cart and lead her behind it and on the side and in the front she will learn that all the noises associated with the cart is OK. I would also build her confedence by riding her by herself more and line driving her more also. If she gets upset at any point calm her down and reward her calm behavior. I hope this helps, Alicia jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: jen frame Hi List, I have been driving my new Fjord mare (got her in October) and she is doing fabulously. But I have the intuitive feeling that she may feel more safe withOUT the blinkers on her driving bridle. I am wondering what you all think. She is the kind of Fjord that is very forward moving, loves to go, and has a hard time with Woah! She also likes to stop and look at anything that concerns her, and she does spook occasionally. When on a trail ride with other horses, she doesn't spook at all. She is bold and competitive (although she is low low low on the horse hierarchy in a herd situation). when trail riding her by myself, she spooks at least once or twice per ride. It is a jump sideways, and then she looks. Or often she jumps and bolts about 10 feet or so, and then allows me to pull her to a stop. When driving, since she is green, she gets concerned by the noise of the cart behind her when we go over bumps and tree roots etc. She also gets a little excited by the feel/sound of the cart behind her when we trot, so she raises her head and speeds up. I am working on asking her for a trot and then asking her to be slow and calm in the trot . She is doing well. The one time I drove her out on the roads with another horse that was also pulling a cart, she did fine UNTIL we tried a trot. when I asked for a trot, she became so alarmed by the sound of the cart on the road, that she put her head up high and off to the side and went really fast with an I'm terrified body language. I got terrified myself, but managed to get her to stop and walk calmly. I know it is NOT traditional to drive a horse without blinkers. But my feeling is that if she could see what was behind her, she may not get so tense and scared. Do you think this is correct, or am I missing some huge safety factor here? This thursday we were driving through the woods around my house, and we got close to the pasture where Splendora lives with her Donkey. The donkey came running, and it spooked Splendora enough that she bolted forward. I got pulled to my knees in the cart, and therefore lost rein contact so couldn't pull her to a stop. My silly husband was sitting there calmly on the seat. I had to actually TELL him to grab the reins and get her to stop! I'm thinking that spook and lurch forward wouldn't have happened had she had more range of vision. Any suggestions? Do I keep driving with blinkers and let her turn from green to some other shade slowly with time and practice? Or do I take the blinkers off and let her see what is going on around her? Thanks! jen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: to use blinkers or not when driving spook-prone Fjord?
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks everybody. She is absolutely fine with the cart when putting to--she stands still and is calm. She walks calmly pulling the cart and shows no concern. She pulls the cart through the woods over bumps and over tree roots and is fine with it all. It is just when we trotted over bumps on the trail that she showed concern, and that concern went away as soon as I spoke to her. It was on the black top road that the sound of the cart ratteling behind her made her nervous and she did the I am scared and I'm going to go fast body language. she will walk for hours over anything pulling that cart. She has pulled the cart through the woods and a wild mule and his mare ran up to the fence next to us, and she was concerned, saw what it was, then was fine and walked on pulling the cart. But she has large beautiflu eyes that get so much of their vision cut off by the blinkers. And I think she would be less concerned by the rattle of the cart when trotting on the road if she could see what it was behind her ratteling. I ride her a lot. She is bold and likes to be the leader on a trail ride. Thanks again, jen On 1/26/08, Alicia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Alicia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] HI, I would try going back to ground driving first. Keep the blinkers and reward her for calming down. If you have someone to pull the cart around her or behind her while you lead her or tie her up it will teach her to calm down and that the cart will not hurt her. Just really de-sensitize her to the cart, equipment and anything else you can think of, ie. plastic bags, bridges, dogs, etc. If she gets upset just keep doint it until she calms down then stop doing what was making her uncomfterble. For example if you are pulling the cart around and she gets upset about it, keep it up till she calms down, then stop pulling the cart and reward her. If you can pull the cart and lead her behind it and on the side and in the front she will learn that all the noises associated with the cart is OK. I would also build her confedence by riding her by herself more and line driving her more also. If she gets upset at any point calm her down and reward her calm behavior. I hope this helps, Alicia jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: jen frame Hi List, I have been driving my new Fjord mare (got her in October) and she is doing fabulously. But I have the intuitive feeling that she may feel more safe withOUT the blinkers on her driving bridle. I am wondering what you all think. She is the kind of Fjord that is very forward moving, loves to go, and has a hard time with Woah! She also likes to stop and look at anything that concerns her, and she does spook occasionally. When on a trail ride with other horses, she doesn't spook at all. She is bold and competitive (although she is low low low on the horse hierarchy in a herd situation). when trail riding her by myself, she spooks at least once or twice per ride. It is a jump sideways, and then she looks. Or often she jumps and bolts about 10 feet or so, and then allows me to pull her to a stop. When driving, since she is green, she gets concerned by the noise of the cart behind her when we go over bumps and tree roots etc. She also gets a little excited by the feel/sound of the cart behind her when we trot, so she raises her head and speeds up. I am working on asking her for a trot and then asking her to be slow and calm in the trot . She is doing well. The one time I drove her out on the roads with another horse that was also pulling a cart, she did fine UNTIL we tried a trot. when I asked for a trot, she became so alarmed by the sound of the cart on the road, that she put her head up high and off to the side and went really fast with an I'm terrified body language. I got terrified myself, but managed to get her to stop and walk calmly. I know it is NOT traditional to drive a horse without blinkers. But my feeling is that if she could see what was behind her, she may not get so tense and scared. Do you think this is correct, or am I missing some huge safety factor here? This thursday we were driving through the woods around my house, and we got close to the pasture where Splendora lives with her Donkey. The donkey came running, and it spooked Splendora enough that she bolted forward. I got pulled to my knees in the cart, and therefore lost rein contact so couldn't pull her to a stop. My silly husband was sitting there calmly on the seat. I had to actually TELL him to grab the reins and get her to stop! I'm thinking that spook and lurch forward wouldn't have happened had she had more range of vision. Any suggestions? Do I keep driving with blinkers and let her turn from green to some other shade slowly with time and practice? Or do I take the blinkers off and let her see what is going on around her? Thanks! jen
driving with/out blinkers
This message is from: Debby Stai [EMAIL PROTECTED] I ride my fjords, but have a small pony I drive...he actually can turn his head around and look at me when I'm driving him, if I allow itI lunged and lunged and ground drove this guy for so long before he ever got hooked up to anything, and of course, lunging them, they obviously can see youI remember after we'd driven him for a few years, I was having issues with getting him to bend one direction, a feat I think much easier if you're undersaddle, at least for me the amatuerand him only being 11hands, I'm not a big person, but wasn't real confident to sit on him bareback and he never having anyone on his back...my daughter though, brave as she isdid get on him...we'd put a reg. riding bridle on him and he was most worried...so we put his driving bridle on, with blinkers, and presto, he was a happy camper...so she was able to work with him in the roundpen and bend him, soften him both sidesSo, for me, just ground driving and lunging and ground driving, over and over and oversoft voice, firm voice, and lots of good boyCourse, he's a poopoo butt to take off property to drive...but thats my fault as I don't do it. I don't show him, I don't plan on showing him, he's a pet a big petIf I had one I wanted to show or compete or just haul to fun places to drive, I'd be out there getting lessons and with a trainerI think this driving and riding is serious stuff. We want to do it right, do right by the horses, we put them into these situations and its up to us to do it right, so we don't get hurt and they don't get hurtI just can't imagine a horse or pony hooked up to a cart and taking off, the driver thrown and the pony is out of control, the panic they must feelIts not fair to do that to them, to yourself or any passengers you might have with you or other riders/drivers, spectatorsI know freaky things happen, but I don't think a horse would just do this stuff on his own if really given the choice...So, we need to know what we are doing and get the best help we can, and keep all safe, as possible... Debby in Tx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Crown Jewel Bitless driving
This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, Crown Jewel does train their horses to ride and drive bitless. Their situation is unique and it seems, from reading their articles, that they put a LOT of time and effort into first training them, then keeping their horses well trained. They are very in tune to when their horses start to take advantage of their bitless training with their guests and they tune them up using the training methods that they have learned and have modified to suit their needs. Nahman Korem, owner of Crown Jewel, wrote an article about their training, which you can read in the Fall 2007 (most recent) issue of the Herald. Personally, I would not even entertain the idea of driving my horses voice only anywhere around here, as our property is not as secluded as theirs. We live in a rural setting, but it is still a sub-division with plenty of cars, dogs, trucks, etc. passing by. I would never consider taking my horses out in public hitched bitless. Too much liability. I have been exploring my own version of liberty training and have ridden my horses down the road with only halters and leadropes on, but would never take them down the road without some kind of restraint. Too much liability if something should happen. On our own property, however, it's another story! ;-) I believe that Crown Jewel has the advantage of being remote, that the horses know their surroundings very well, that they are well trained, they work hard when they are not being used with their guests (plowing, hauling, etc.) their training is well maintained and they are Fjords with very good temperaments. My two cents worth, anyway. Beth jen frame wrote: This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just learned about Crown Jewel from one of your posts. I went to the website and they are doing something that fascinates me: they are driving their Fjords bitless! Does anybody else on this list drive bitless? If so, how is that working out for you? Don't worry! I will not start driving my Fjord bitless! I recognize that she and I are both green at driving, and I am being extremely careful. I am just extremely curious about it. I ride my Tennessee Walking mares bitted for most of their training sessions, and occasionally bitless with a great side pull that I have (not a hackamore, which can be very harsh). My mares go great bitless, but become dull after a few weeks, so I go back to the bit to reinforce their training. I like it that I can go bitted or bitless. I have always wondered if anybody drives bitless, and the people at Crown Jewel are the only ones I have ever heard of. Anybody else out there doing it? Jen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Crown Jewel Bitless driving
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just learned about Crown Jewel from one of your posts. I went to the website and they are doing something that fascinates me: they are driving their Fjords bitless! Does anybody else on this list drive bitless? If so, how is that working out for you? Don't worry! I will not start driving my Fjord bitless! I recognize that she and I are both green at driving, and I am being extremely careful. I am just extremely curious about it. I ride my Tennessee Walking mares bitted for most of their training sessions, and occasionally bitless with a great side pull that I have (not a hackamore, which can be very harsh). My mares go great bitless, but become dull after a few weeks, so I go back to the bit to reinforce their training. I like it that I can go bitted or bitless. I have always wondered if anybody drives bitless, and the people at Crown Jewel are the only ones I have ever heard of. Anybody else out there doing it? Jen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Driving Adventures
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What an interesting day!! We loaded up Joe and Della early this morning and drove a few hours south to visit with some friends. It's always a fun time - they raise chickens, and pigs, and fjords, but this time we went with a specific purpose: to harness up the ponies Joe has some fairly solid driving experience in his past, but my one attempt to drive him previously did not turn out too well. He became flustered and agitated and the trainer I was working with advised me to bail out (he was driving). Della Ree has never been harnessed before. I won't go into all the details, but I was simply amazed at these guys! Della was completely unfazed by anything (except the recently gelded stud who was extremely interested in her). The farm could be quite scarey to some horses - it is full of large pieces of equipment, lots of animals (including a LOUD large donkey), many other fjords, and just lots of new stuff). She got harnessed and ground driven like she had done it 100 times before. We hitched Della and Joe up together, and they were a bit awkward at first trying to figure out how to coordinate their bodies, but in less than 10 minutes, they were pulling mostly in sync and doing a terrific job. Della is a follower, and shorter than Joe, so she took some encouragement to keep pulling her share of the weight. And a couple of times Joe decided it was time to stop working so hard and took some convincing that we were not done. Gene let each of us take a few turns on the reins to get the feel (he has a set of second reins that allowed him to take control if we got off track), and we all had a wonderful time. Mostly, I am just amazed at how naturally Della took to driving, and how breathtakingly beautiful Joe is when he is working. Della worked up a heavy sweat and both ponies were tired, and quite relieved to rest in the trailer on the way home. Joe is probably a bit more than I would want to tackle driving alone, but for the first time ever I felt the draw of driving. I can hardly wait for my next lesson! Kate and Joe (who CAN pull, but just doesn't think he should) and Della (who seems to do everything with good will) **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Driving Adventures
This message is from: Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the first time ever I felt the draw of driving. I can hardly wait for my next lesson! Kate and Joe (who CAN pull, but just doesn't think he should) and Della (who seems to do everything with good will) Kate: Sounds like fun! It's great that Joe and Della did so well. I've been ground driving Tyra, and just this week had her drag a Plastic pipe travois that I made. It didn't faze her at all, aren't Fjords great?! I'm going to try her with a Kathy Zahn training cart, my boss bought for his Belgian. I had them make me some Fjord-sized shafts. Maybe we could drive together at the next Fjord Fun Fest! I need a good synthetic harness, but have to save up! Cherie Western North Carolina Tyra(Fjord,)Lilja,and Roka (Icelandics) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Myler makes driving bits with butterfly and elbow cheeks, probably would make a Liverpool cheek too. I have the butterfly Myler with a solid low port (wide) mouthpiece (MB 15) and also the elbow with the same mouthpiece. I got the elbow bit , 6, from Big Horse Feed and tack in California and the butterfly Myler in a 5.5 from Driving Essentials. The Myler Kimberwick cheek looks a lot like a driving bit cheek. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska clear land cold, -1 degree Hi Melinda, I am sure that one can find Kimberwicke bits for much less--like $35 or so. But those are made in Pakistan and some are decent and others are awful. The specific Kimberwicke I am refering to is a Myler bit, and Myler bits are expensive! The custom made Mylers are made in America and cost aproximately $140 or so. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/18/2007 10:12:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do any of you drive with a Kimberwicke? Yes, I drive with Kimberwicke bits. I use the Uxeter style with low port solid mouth (my girls do not like jointed bits). I use them on the upper setting 90% of the time - which is basically a snaffle setting with no real leverage at all. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords 260 May Creek Rd Days Creek, OR 97429 541-825-3303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] HI Carol, I agree that if it works well: use it! But it will cost me $110 to buy it to find out if it works well! Basically I am wondering if other Fjord owners ever drive in a riding bit.? Thanks, Jen On 11/19/07, Carol Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Carol Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do any of you drive with a Kimberwicke? I think my friend used one when he owned his Fjord. If it works well, then use it, I say. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving bits
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are brave, you can search google what you want, and add craigslist as a search term. I just bought a pair of Cliff Lynch chinks from someone in Virgina that way. There is a risk, because there is no feed back system. I paid with paypal, and it worked great. I also bought an arena drag this way, and had it shipped cross country,. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kimberwicks cost $110?! Is that what you are saying? Mine was $25 or $35. just curious about that, Melinda On 11/19/07, Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are brave, you can search google what you want, and add craigslist as a search term. I just bought a pair of Cliff Lynch chinks from someone in Virgina that way. There is a risk, because there is no feed back system. I paid with paypal, and it worked great. I also bought an arena drag this way, and had it shipped cross country,. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Melinda, I am sure that one can find Kimberwicke bits for much less--like $35 or so. But those are made in Pakistan and some are decent and others are awful. The specific Kimberwicke I am refering to is a Myler bit, and Myler bits are expensive! The custom made Mylers are made in America and cost aproximately $140 or so. The pre-made Mylers are made in China, which I am not thrilled about, but the Myler brothers themselves inspect the Chinese made bits and have strict quality control, so they are probably the best Chinese made bits you could get. They too are expensive--like I said $110.00. Myler bits are supposedly worth the price! I'll let you know if I end up buying one, what I think of it, if you are interested. Jen On 11/19/07, Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kimberwicks cost $110?! Is that what you are saying? Mine was $25 or $35. just curious about that, Melinda On 11/19/07, Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are brave, you can search google what you want, and add craigslist as a search term. I just bought a pair of Cliff Lynch chinks from someone in Virgina that way. There is a risk, because there is no feed back system. I paid with paypal, and it worked great. I also bought an arena drag this way, and had it shipped cross country,. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] sure! Melinda On Nov 19, 2007 8:25 PM, jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Melinda, I am sure that one can find Kimberwicke bits for much less--like $35 or so. But those are made in Pakistan and some are decent and others are awful. The specific Kimberwicke I am refering to is a Myler bit, and Myler bits are expensive! The custom made Mylers are made in America and cost aproximately $140 or so. The pre-made Mylers are made in China, which I am not thrilled about, but the Myler brothers themselves inspect the Chinese made bits and have strict quality control, so they are probably the best Chinese made bits you could get. They too are expensive--like I said $110.00. Myler bits are supposedly worth the price! I'll let you know if I end up buying one, what I think of it, if you are interested. Jen On 11/19/07, Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kimberwicks cost $110?! Is that what you are saying? Mine was $25 or $35. just curious about that, Melinda Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
driving bits
This message is from: Carol Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do any of you drive with a Kimberwicke? I think my friend used one when he owned his Fjord. If it works well, then use it, I say. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Interesting driving team blog!
This message is from: Steve Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hest.no/blogg/?bid=12554blid=44585 ~ Meredith Sessoms ~ Moulton AL USA ~ Dorina . NFR Aagot . TK Anjanette . TK Arlo . and Pepper the black one ~ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Interesting driving team blog!
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] And see the white marking...quite large. Gail http://hest.no/blogg/?bid=8236blid=45359 Subject: Interesting driving team blog! This message is from: Steve Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hest.no/blogg/?bid=12554blid=44585 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: bits for riding and driving Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have some bit questions. Can you give me some suggestions about where to get bits larger than 5? They just aren't available at stores around here. I will have to order them. I wish I could see them in person before buying. What size bit do your Fjords typically need? I know, of course, that bit size needs will vary. I do have the bit measuring device which helps. Thanks in advance for the information. Linda ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: bits for riding and driving Fjords
This message is from: Carol Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use a 5 -1/2 inch size bit and I like what Iowa Valley Carriage has to offer at reasonable prices. iowavalleycarriage.com Get back to me if you cannot access the catalog from this site. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have some bit questions. Can you give me some suggestions about where to get bits larger than 5? They just aren't available at stores around here. I will have to order them. I wish I could see them in person before buying. What size bit do your Fjords typically need? I know, of course, that bit size needs will vary. I do have the bit measuring device which helps. Thanks in advance for the information. Linda ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: bits for riding and driving Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Linda, Both my boys ride in eggbutt french link snaffles. Val is a 5 1/2 and Alf is a 5. Dover saddlery has alot of english bits online and in their catalog. Good luck Susan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:25 am Subject: Re: bits for riding and driving Fjords This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have some bit questions. Can you give me some suggestions about where to get bits larger than 5? They just aren't available at stores around here. I will have to order them. I wish I could see them in person before buying. What size bit do your Fjords typically need? I know, of course, that bit size needs will vary. I do have the bit measuring device which helps. Thanks in advance for the information. Linda ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: bits for riding and driving Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Carol and Susan. I'm beginning to realize that it might be easier to find an English bit than Western. I like the idea of the eggbutt french link snaffle. I'll check out the web sites also. Linda ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: bits for riding and driving Fjords
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Sue. That is the bit I had intended to buy, and now hearing that you find it works for your Fjord, I think I'll just go ahead and order it. Just to clarify: do you ride and drive in the exact same bit, or did you buy a riding bit that is also a glory? (Glory is a type of mouthpiece that is very similar to the mullen mouth piece, but it allows even MORE room for the tongue than the mullen--it is slightly more arched). I have seen many bits with a mullen mouthpiece, but have never seen a Glory mouthpiece on a riding bit, so I am wondering if it is OK to ride and drive in a Glory driving bit. And by ok I don't mean OK by show rules, I mean OK for the horse to use a driving bit for riding. I know this is a very basic and naiive question, but perhaps the different angle of the reins when riding versus driving dictates the use of a riding bit while riding and a driving bit while driving?? Jen On 11/5/07, safreivald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: safreivald [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I bought my Fjord gelding from Julie Will she recommended the Glory butterfly bit (mullen) for him. I took her advice and ordered one--he was very comfortable and responsive in it, so I got another one for my riding bridle--if it works, my philosophy is, don't fix it. And since I ride and drive purely for pleasure, I have only my pony and me to please. So when I got a work harness, I got another Glory butterfly . . . A friend tried to drive him in a broken snaffle and he HATED it!.Sue F. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: bits for riding and driving Fjords
This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] They do make Glory riding bits. jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: jen frame Thanks Sue. That is the bit I had intended to buy, and now hearing that you find it works for your Fjord, I think I'll just go ahead and order it. Just to clarify: do you ride and drive in the exact same bit, or did you buy a riding bit that is also a glory? (Glory is a type of mouthpiece that is very similar to the mullen mouth piece, but it allows even MORE room for the tongue than the mullen--it is slightly more arched). I have seen many bits with a mullen mouthpiece, but have never seen a Glory mouthpiece on a riding bit, so I am wondering if it is OK to ride and drive in a Glory driving bit. And by ok I don't mean OK by show rules, I mean OK for the horse to use a driving bit for riding. I know this is a very basic and naiive question, but perhaps the different angle of the reins when riding versus driving dictates the use of a riding bit while riding and a driving bit while driving?? Jen On 11/5/07, safreivald wrote: This message is from: safreivald When I bought my Fjord gelding from Julie Will she recommended the Glory butterfly bit (mullen) for him. I took her advice and ordered one--he was very comfortable and responsive in it, so I got another one for my riding bridle--if it works, my philosophy is, don't fix it. And since I ride and drive purely for pleasure, I have only my pony and me to please. So when I got a work harness, I got another Glory butterfly . . . A friend tried to drive him in a broken snaffle and he HATED it!. Sue F. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Fiona Lindsay Delfino Box 51 S.Strafford, VT 05070 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C) 603 359 0150 (S) 910 277 5491 (H) 802 765 4534 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
driving
This message is from: donna mcgeein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please give the referral for the driving trainer in So Oregon again. Was it [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Donna _ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Donna - AMY EVERS at [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) Or call her at 541-825-3303. Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden Hundehaven - The Dog Heaven www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-541-825-3027 Southern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Driving fjord mare for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My days are still a bit mixed up and run into one another since the fires, so if I am a day late to post for sale emails, please forgive and perhaps run next Monday! Our beautiful boarding facility and custom home are now for sale and I need to find a new home for my driving fjord. Tyra I has been listed on Dreamhorse.com but I think the horse market is a bit depressed now and I haven't had much response. We are planning on moving to Portland, Ore., once we finally sell but in the meantime, I am just overwhelmed with ranch work and have less time to spend with her. Today we went driving again and she was in absolute heaven. She is just a natural in the harness and seems genuinely happy to go, happy to stand; just content to be in harness and not under saddle. Tomorrow I will make a DVD of her TWC under saddle. Dreamhorse.com has all of her vitals, the ID number is 1082498. I am asking $6000 for her but will consider all offers. All of my contact numbers are on the dreamhorse website. Lisa Lucidi Lucidi Farms ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
bits for riding and driving Fjords
This message is from: safreivald [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I bought my Fjord gelding from Julie Will she recommended the Glory butterfly bit (mullen) for him. I took her advice and ordered one--he was very comfortable and responsive in it, so I got another one for my riding bridle--if it works, my philosophy is, don't fix it. And since I ride and drive purely for pleasure, I have only my pony and me to please. So when I got a work harness, I got another Glory butterfly . . . A friend tried to drive him in a broken snaffle and he HATED it!.Sue F. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
driving
This message is from: donna mcgeein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catherine, Thanks so much for the info to contact Amy. I'll call and write her ASAP, Donna _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLt agline The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
bits for riding and driving Fjords
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] What kinds of bits are you all using on your Fjords? My mare ground drove today very quietly and extremely light in the mouth with a borrowed bit. The cheek pieces are Butterfly and the mouth piece is a low port. I am thinking of buying her a butterfly Glory so her tongue has lots of room. Any thoughts on driving bits for Fjords? Also, can I ride her in the same bit I drive her in? Currently she is ridden in the bit that came with her. It is like a Tom Thumb but has slightly longer shanks and an extra joint in the mouthpiece that has a copper roller around it. She seems to NOT like this bit very much--I suspect it is the semi nut cracker effect (I say semi because it does have an extra joint which diminishes some of the nut cracker). any suggestions on bits for riding and driving are appreciated! Thanks! Jen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Single Driving
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I love the Rural Heritage site, and their magazine, and recommend it to everyone with horses at home! I don't have a big interest in driving a cart, but want to be able to ground drive and use mine on my eventual mini-farm for some light farm work. But if you can manage it, try to hook up with some of the other driving enthusiasts in your area for the advice and hands on training and experience. I have found the driving folks in my area amazing in terms of their interest in helping beginners, and seeing the nuances and having the experience at my side are about 1000 times more useful than any articles!! Kate and Joe (who likes to drive as long as there are no wheels involved) and Della (who seems interested, but has a hard time with the idea of being way out in front of me) ** This message is from: donna mcgeein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have an 11 yr old gelding that has been hooked to a cart a few times. I am in a situation now where I have ground to drive him on so I am seeking a farm wagon and a collar harness. I live in Corvallis , Oregon. My horse is Bro. I had considered selling him when I was in MT but I kept him and we relocated. I need advice as well as equipment and tack if anyone can help.Someone local suggested the ruralheritage web page. Thanks, Donna ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
single driving
This message is from: donna mcgeein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have an 11 yr old gelding that has been hooked to a cart a few times. I am in a situation now where I have ground to drive him on so I am seeking a farm wagon and a collar harness. I live in Corvallis , Oregon. My horse is Bro. I had considered selling him when I was in MT but I kept him and we relocated. I need advice as well as equipment and tack if anyone can help.Someone local suggested the ruralheritage web page. Thanks, Donna _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
My first time driving our Fjord
This message is from: Eric Kozowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the link to read about my first time driving our Fjord: http://kozowski.com/FjordHorse/YaBB.pl?num=1193795864/0 -- Eric Kozowski The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Mini Driving @ The Carriage Barn
This message is from: Carriage Barn / Ann Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] A special Saturday program has been set up for Mini owners who are currently driving or would like to learn about Pleasure and Combined driving for Miniature horses. The program is offered Saturdays in October from 2 to 3pm at The Carriage Barn Equestrian Center. Bring your harness and cart, or we have a few Miniature horses available on site. We will trail drive on the property and discuss how pleasure shows and competitive shows are set up. The group will also drive cones and make obstacles for fun activities with Mini and their drivers. Cost is $35 per group lesson. The Carriage Barn Equestrian Center is located less than 40 miles North of Boston, in Newton, New Hampshire, set on 60 wooded acres of private trails and carriage roads in the Sarahs Way Planned Equestrian Community. The facility includes a 72 x 160 Indoor Arena with excellent footing, a 100 meter Outdoor Driven Dressage Arena, a ¼ mile exercise track / carriage road, and miles of private and public trails / roads. For more information, or to sign up for this special program, please contact The Carriage Barn at 603-378-0140, or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
[Fwd: Sporting Day of Traditional Driving on September 29th]
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I am working with the Southwest Wisconsin Cornish Society to organize a Sporting Day of Traditional Driving in conjunction with the 15th Annual Cornish Festival at Mineral Point, Wisconsin, on September 28-30th. The driving event will take place on Saturday. Turnout inspection and cones in the am and the Country drive will be in the afternoon. The plans are in the works to have a shortened course for Very Small Equines. Dairyland Driving Club is sponsoring this event. Entry forms are available online at the Cornish Fest web-site: http://www.cornishfest.com/ Go to calendar of events for Saturday and the Sporting Day of Traditional Driving and there are links to the forms. http://www.cornishfest.org/sporting_day_traditional_driving.html is the direct link to that page. We are in need of volunteers and participants. Entries are due on September 15th. After we are done driving I would like to have a potluck get together while the awards are calculated. I will furnish the main dish. Bring your own plates, silverware. Lemonade and iced tea will be available too. Looking forward to seeing you there. Cornish Fest web-site: http://www.cornishfest.com/ Mineral Point web-site: http://www.mineralpoint.com/ Sincerely, Theresa Burns 608-778-7848 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving on a road
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have the traditional orange triangle that goes from vehicle to vehicle for road driving and a pair of really cool flashing red tail-lights that I bought for $10 each at a bicycle store. I added some electrician's tape along the outside to insure that the red plastic covers stay on and put them on my marathon cart which does the majority of the road time with Braveheart and me. I don't think the manufacturers had our kind of bumpy ride in mind when they assembled the little rascals. Anyhow, they're a nifty addition. One push of the little button on them turns on the light and a second push makes it into a flashing light. The bike store told me that the batteries last a long time and, so far, they have. I agree about staying in your lane (to which you are definitely entitled) so drivers aren't as tempted to squeeze you off the road as they might be. I've been known to slide over when I'm riding (more escape maneuvers are possible then) but not in harness. Most people do seem to be both careful and thoughtful and now that the high schools are open for business again, that 9AM - 2PM time slot is starting to look good once more. Happy driving! Kay and Braveheart, ruler of the gravel road ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
driving on a road
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wondering what other folks due for safety while driving down a paved road. We only want to drive a very short distance to access dirt drives, but want to be safe and keep the drivers alert and behaved. Ellen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving on a road
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ellen, I do a lot of driving on paved roads with traffic. It's always quite an experience, especially here in southern CA. I would suggest you buy the caution sign that attaches to your carriage. I think this is a requirement on roads with cars. And I would get comfortable using hand signals that slow people down, and the ones for turns. It amazes me how clueless people are driving their cars around horses. They don't slow down and whiz by you at high speeds. You have to be a bit of a traffic cop when you drive your horse around cars. Elaine Olsen ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving on a road
This message is from: Karl Jerrie Froelich [EMAIL PROTECTED] I drive on the road all the time. I always keep an SMV (slow moving vehicle) sign on my cart; as far as I know that is all that is required legally. More importantly (or, at least as important) is that I drive down the CENTER of the lane. I take up the full width of my lane, which forces vehicles that want to pass me into the oncoming lane. I found that if I stayed to the side of the road, drivers would squeeze me, but if I'm in the middle they move all the way over. Go figure, but it works. Most people are wonderful, and either stop to take pictures, point it out to the kids, or just stop to have a conversation. k. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: driving on a road This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wondering what other folks due for safety while driving down a paved road. We only want to drive a very short distance to access dirt drives, but want to be safe and keep the drivers alert and behaved. Ellen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving on a road
This message is from: Linda Lottie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Couple things..I use a bike flag on my carts. Stands up TALL with an orange flag. Also, a slow moving vehicle sign and you can purchase a pass wide and slowly sign to hang on the back of the cart. Good luck.LJBL in WI From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: driving on a road Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:48:07 -0400 This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wondering what other folks due for safety while driving down a paved road. We only want to drive a very short distance to access dirt drives, but want to be safe and keep the drivers alert and behaved. Ellen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Walnut Hill Driving Competition
This message is from: Douglas Knutsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations, Susan! Peg Knutsen - Original Message - From: Susan Cargill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Walnut Hill Driving Competition This message is from: Susan Cargill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Felix has found his niche in the driving world. He is definitely a pleasure driving horse. Vivian Creigh and Felix, against very stiff competition, did very well at Walnut Hill Driving Competition in Pittsford, NY this past weekend. Classes exceeded 20 ponys with Felix the only Norwegian Fjord. We took home a blue in Pleasure Drive where he really showed his beautiful extended trot, a yellow (third) in Pleasure Turnout; three pinks (fifth) in reinsmanship, obstacles and scurry. There was another lovely older Norwegian Fjord mare in the competition. Vivian has some pictures of the competition on her website. We will be adding more after we update for the new season. Susan - Longtheway Farm, Birchwood, WI The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Walnut Hill Driving Competition
This message is from: Susan Cargill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Felix has found his niche in the driving world. He is definitely a pleasure driving horse. Vivian Creigh and Felix, against very stiff competition, did very well at Walnut Hill Driving Competition in Pittsford, NY this past weekend. Classes exceeded 20 ponys with Felix the only Norwegian Fjord. We took home a blue in Pleasure Drive where he really showed his beautiful extended trot, a yellow (third) in Pleasure Turnout; three pinks (fifth) in reinsmanship, obstacles and scurry. There was another lovely older Norwegian Fjord mare in the competition. Vivian has some pictures of the competition on her website. We will be adding more after we update for the new season. Susan - Longtheway Farm, Birchwood, WI The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: performance driving
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Janet: Regarding Performance Driving: The one I competed in was put on by a driving club out of Klamath Falls, OR, and was actually held at Chiloquin, OR. I am not sure if they are putting it on any more... They had the common problem of lack of volunteers due to club members wanting to compete. But, here is a description of the event as it was done the three years I competed. The evening before the drive everyone had to check in and have their horse measured, weighed (with a tape) and had the Vet take their resting pulse and respiration. Then you had your vehicle weighed with driver, navigator, harness, spares kit, etc. on board. Basically, everything the horse would carry or pull. All of this was to be factored into the final score/results... There were divisions for novice, intermediate and open (basically, 1, 2, or 3 legs), and for singles and pairs. First thing the next morning, after harnessing and hitching, you would go for a safety check where the delegate would make sure that everything was safe and correctly hitched, as well as checking to see that everything that was weighed-in was indeed on the vehicle. At your appointed start time you pass the go mark and head out on your trail. There were usually three legs to the competition. You could choose to compete in one, two or all three depending on your horses fitness and training level. If I recall correctly, the legs were anywhere from 7.5 to 9.5 miles each. All three had places where you could really get out and fly along at a strong trot, long up and downhill grades, and places that were much more challenging - like the long (.25 mile +) and fairly steep sandy hill on the 9.5 mile leg which was the one place on the drive where you were allowed (actually encouraged) to put your navigator down to make it easier on your horse! Once you finished a leg you had an immediate Vet check for PR, and then a set time in which to return to normal resting rates. If you cleared within the set time you were either allowed to go on to you next leg, or your finishing time was officially recorded (if you did not recover within the set time the extra time it took to reach normal was added to your finish time). The fastest initial finish time did not necessarily win... Everything was then calculated together and placings finalized. So, basically, a 15.2 hand, 1100 lb horse, pulling a light cart with a trim driver and a child as navigator, may have actually finished the course two minutes faster than, say, a 14.3 hand, 1100 lb horse pulling a heavier cart with two large adults aboard, with both having recovered within the set time, and after calculation was complete the 14.3 hand horse may actually be the winner... I do wish there were more of these events around; they are a blast! Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords 260 May Creek Rd Days Creek, OR 97429 541-825-3303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
performance driving
This message is from: Tamarack Lamb Wool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Amy, can you tell us more about what performance driving is? where are competitions held? thanks Janet -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Pleasure Driving Classes
This message is from: Ursula Brian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] From Brian Jensen; The previous comments on this subject are most helpful for education of the members and interested whips. I can add a few comments of my own just to round off the subject. 1-Safety is paramount over everything else. Harness and vehicle need to be inspected to be absolutely sure. Follow all ADS and FEI Driving Rules. 2-Do not be visiting or talking to people while harnessing or putting to. 3-Give your self ample lead time before the class to warm up your horse and make adjustments if necessary. 4-If you can, arrive one day early for the show to have a dry run and familiarize your horse to its new surroundings. If your Fjord and yourself have some lead time to settle, things seem to flow better. 5-Treat other entrants as you would like to be treated. Member conduct and good sportsmanship is paramount. 6-If you are driving a stallion ensure it is mannerly and tractable amidst other entrants. Your stallion is not their problem. 7-If there is a runaway in a Driving Class go to the center of the ring. A runaway horse usually follows the rail. Have a handler or groom outside the arena available on standby if such a situation arises. 8-In the class, stay away from groups or bunches. That can be done by circling, passing on a corner, or crossing to the other side of the arena. This done quietly away from the Judge. 9--Always carry your spares kit and a halter plus shank for your horse. 10- If you have questions or concerns about an issue, talk to a Show Committee member and have them advocate for you to the Judge or Ring Steward. 11-Remember the next thing most valuable to us besides the Fjord Horse are the volunteers who work to put on a show. A thank you to them goes a long way. Mistreatment to volunteers in my eyes is equal to cruelty to animals. Zero tolerance for such behaviors. 12-As a Judge myself, and communicating with other Judges, a small hint for you. As the entrants drive into the arena at the start of the class, most Judges are already making choices about entrant's placings. Make sure your entrance is crisp and correct giving the Judge a good impression. I am leaving for the Lacrosse Evaluation on Thursday. If you see me, please come over and introduce yourself. It will be nice to put faces to some of the names I see on the list.Brian J Ursula and Brian Jensen Box 1032 Lumby, B.C. Canada V0E 2G0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.trinityfjords.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
driving trainer
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/8/2007 10:50:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is anyone aware of any boarding/training facilities around Santa Monica, CA, that offer driving lessons and a safe place to drive? Lisa Lucidi Lucidi Farms Hi Lisa ! Try Patricia ( Trish ) Demers in Langcaster, CA. Trish is a long time ADS member, carriage driving competetor, she judges... and she trains driving horses ( and ponies ) for a living. She teach's carriage driving at a local college.sorry I dont remember which one. She also did a clinic for the Fallbrook, CA. Fjord Horse club, which I heard great reviews about. Trish's e-mail address is : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tell her Lisa sent you !* she also would be able to steer you towards other trainers / driving venues perhaps nearer to you. Good-Luck ! Lisa P. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
driving report
This message is from: Teressa [EMAIL PROTECTED] My little 3 yo mare, Zoobie, has been up at the Jensens in Lumby BC for two months for her start up driving training accompanied by some light work under saddle from Jensen's riding coach, Julie Pilon. She is very forward as one would expect from her mom, my mare Nina, and her dad, Jensen's Raynor. But she came home with brakes and gaits and we will continue to slowly and lightly work for another year. When I went to pick up Zoo, I took Nina with me along with my Pacific Carriage gig and harness for some driving training for me and Nina. We had not driven since Libby last September. Brian went through all of my harness and my gig set up, made some necessary adjustments - most significantly my driving bridle where my bit was rubbing on Nina's cheekbone so he told me a couple of ways I could go about fixing that. And the piece that goes over her poll was too short and rubbing her ears. We made a temp adjustment on that too but I will need a longer piece there and am ordering it from Smuckers. Those adjustments alone were worth the haul. Then we worked her both in the arena and in the more challenging terrain outside of the arena on Jensen's property. I was very tentative to start but felt very confident with Brian watching everything. Nina was very up - normal for her, particularly away from home. She loves driving and is quite forward but her 3 months of training with Jensen's 3 years ago is holding up very well. I always feel that I have control. In any event, we worked on her gaits and worked a lot on me - my hands and posture - use of the whip (I'm not too good at actually using it effectively, so we worked on me holding it and keeping it from bugging Nina) and rules of the road when showing. Then, and Brian doesn't know this, I hitched her up for a drive at my boarding barn on Sunday - the first time since coming home from Lumby the week before. Many of the other horses there are afraid of a horse hitched to a cart. The only other rider was a friend whose young daughter (8 or so?) was riding her horse - a big Welch cob/thoroughbred x. I made sure they knew I was there and Nina and I started working in the outdoor arena while they were in the adjacent jump field. I heard a huge scream from behind me and the horse was galloping wildly across the field with the young girl screaming bloody murder - hanging on the off side of the horse. Nina and I were going in the other direction so Nina couldn't see the fiasco. Well, two bolt steps she made - I asked her to halt and stand - and she did it without any fuss. I thought I was going to cry because I was so proud of her and so grateful that she could stand with such a commotion going on and keep me safe. In any event, the horse came to a stop at a fence, the girl fell off and the horse turned and trotted away. The girl had some scrapes on her face and a dented helmet but rode in camp yesterday. It could have been so bad - we were in an outdoor arena set up with jumps and jump standards that we had been using as obstacles while we drove. If she had bolted, we surely would have had to run into one of those to get out. Her driving training was so solid and so ingrained in her that she trusted the person with the lines. Even though that person is me. Having started with horses at an advanced age and only 3 years ago, I've finally realized that the basics are not basic - they are everything. Everything flows from contact. And contact comes only with good training for me and my horse. So, I don't care that I'm pushing 60, we will take as long as it takes for me to get my position, seat, legs, hands, arms, head working with my horse and I will continue to get my touch ups from coaches such as Brian and my riding coach, Marg so I can have fun and be safe for me and those around me. See you all in Moses Lake! Teressa in Ferndale, WA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving/riding on the rail
This message is from: Teressa [EMAIL PROTECTED] My first driving competition and first time driving my mare with other rigs in an arena was last year at Libby. The class was huge and all the issues mentioned in these postings were whirling through my head. Fortunately, Nina was a trooper. However, at the time, I wish I had known that classes that large should be divided as I would have requested that be done. What is the procedure for class participants to request that large classes be divided? Or is it something that one doesn't do...as in question the judge or show stewards? Or who does make that decision? Teressa in Ferndale, WA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Safety in the driving ring
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the whole, I am really thrilled with the knowledge and behavior of most drivers I meet in the ring these days. People are really doing their homework these days. This was not the case when I first started showing my Fjords in driving classes 8 or 9 years ago. Most people out here had no clue about driving ring etiquette or terminology. My first open driving class was pretty much a nightmare. It was at a local show put on by the buckskin horse club where they had two driving classes; open and colored horses (meaning buckskins duns). I had entered both classes. The first one was the open class which had 16 entries - including 2 minis, a draft and about everything else in between, not to mention many novice drivers - and the arena was a bit tight to say the least... One of the minis refused to walk and it it seemed that every time the judge called for a trot that mini was in the process of passing me, blocking me in on the rail. When the judge called for a reverse on the diagonal, at the ring steward there were only 4 or 5 of us that followed directions, everyone else just started turning around where ever and how ever they felt like it. It looked like a horse drawn riot! The judge actually started yelling for everyone to stop where they were, and untangled the mess one horse at a time. When the class was in line-up the judge took the time to explain the reverse on the diagonal to everyone before placing the class, which I thought was really nice of him. I took fourth in that class - the Judge telling me that he'd like to see my mare move out a bit better at the trot... The Colored Horse class after that had only 3 entries; I took first! Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords 260 May Creek Rd Days Creek, OR 97429 541-825-3303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Driving a class
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/6/2007 8:02:22 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a subject that needs to be addressed and hopefully a club or two somewhere will offer a clinic on traffic strategies in the ring. Agreed Pat, and I personally talk about it with people here for our driving weekend. Traffic strategies with the driven horse(s) can either help a large class get around safely or cause pileups and even wrecks. First of all the rail should not be crowded if the exhibitors know how to use space properly - if the ring is adequate size for driving (small rings designed for riding or in some cases uneven footing) makes for difficult traffic flow - and if the class is so big - that it is crowded on the rail - the class should be split. Again, we are in agreement. However, the exibitor is seldom consulted about footing or splitting a large class. We have competed in venues where the footing was groomed for rodeo events and it has been pretty hard ( or soft actually ! ) to get around. There have been times when Jeff or I REQUESTED that a large class be split, and sometimes it was, sometimes it was not. In breed shows I have driven in classes of 24 ( that was maybe the largest class I was EVER in at any show ) and I even have a photograph in my computer room of a line-up at Libby with 22 tan ponies being placed. This can be pretty hair-raising, and lucky for us, something that large is now usually split. As far as exibitors knowing how to use space properlywell that comes with experience and knowledge. I have been in plenty of very large open classes where no one made poor choices and everyone confidently warmed up and / or showed to their best. I also have been in a ring with very few other exibitors and had such poor manners occuring around us that getting out was even hairy. Each club, of course is responsible for its rules of conduct and enforcement of those rules, but when you are out there, sometimes it can be an OH S##T moment. Driving your horse off the rail is not only rude to other exhibitors, but dangerous if the turnout your passing happens to come off the rail unrepentantly. I do not agree with you here, and actually it makes no sense when you also talk about spacing yourself..passing other drivers.cutting corners., all off of the rail I assume. Only in DRAFT HORSE shows is it an issue, and we have competed with the big drafters in the same stomping class, where we did not ever pass anyone or even hold up the giants behind by going at what we would normally be using as a slow trot. Making exceptions, like in a draft horse class is important for all of their safety, and even if we were not showing at OUR normal speed with requested gaits, it kept everyone together and happy. I always tell my clients that besides ALL the other things you need to worry about in the ring - your own personal performance, listening to the announcer, watching what is alongside the rail, watching the judge, watching the ring steward, you ALSO have to take notice of who else is in the ring and their abilities in the ring and how their horses move. You cannot zone out while in the ring, nor show only for yourself. All good advice. I actually watch my ring steward pretty closely, as they are the ones who usually call you into a change of direction across the diagonal by placing themselves out in the flow of horses. They also usually do the same when calling the class to start a line-up. No debate here. I try to teach them to use their corners to gain space, or cut a corner to get away from someone hanging onto your butt. True, and easier said than done. I have often used a long corner to circle myself out of a tight packputting myself back near the rail, but now BEHIND those who ended up getting all stuck together. It has been a few years now, but in the old days at both Turlock and Libby shows, there unfort. were exibitors whos teams knew only 2 gaits. Pretty dam fast and near runaways. They would ( either on purpose or just because they couldnt hang onto their hitchs any tighter ) place their horses right behind your cart and hold there to slow them down. I have been pretty scared with the thought of being run over, after feeling their horses BREATHING on me. My horses also usually over react a bit to being that closley pressured from behind and go a bit faster..now everyone is going faster.you can see the problem. Lucky for us, the abilitys and knowledge of the Fjord drivers has greatly changed for the better in the last 15 years ! People now take advantage of lessons, clinics and compe te in other shows besides their breed shows. In ADS division classes - you realize pretty quickly in your first class who is in the ring with you and how their horses move - so in the following rail classes
driving/riding on the rail
This message is from: Debby Stai [EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember my daughters first show, hunter/jumper, she was 9yrs. old...was a schooling show...The equitation class for her age group and ponies was HUGEit got crowded in some areas on the rail...horses on each others butts, course at that age it was cute just to see them out there in their walk/trot classesAt one point, the wonderful young judge asked for the ones that were so close together to make a circle on the rail and try to place themselves not so close togetherThey ALL circled and ended right back where they wereAll of the parents and judges thought it was a hoot...It was a wonderful first show, all of the ponies were wellbehaved and took care of their kids... Debby in Tx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
World Driving Championship
This message is from: Eike Schoen-Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] As (German) Fjord enthusiasts we are very proud of our member Thomas Koeppen whom we congratulate for taking 6th place in dressage with his four-in-hand team at the Pony World Championships in Denmark. His Fjords are home grown and trained in a family tradition. All do-it-yourself. If you own one of the Fjord Calendars Ursula Jensen had for sale his team will come at you on the December page. Check out www.wdch-pony-07.dk for updates on the championship. Eike Schoen-Petersen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
World Driving Championship update
This message is from: Eike Schoen-Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those of you interested in the outcome of the World Pony Driving Championships: The team competition was won by the German team including Thomas Koppen and his Fjord-Four-in-Hand! In the individual ranking Thomas placed 3rd of the Four-in-Hand overall competition, being best in the marathon. I am not aware of the breeds of the other participants, but the Fjords of Thomas have surely shown the world what potential Fjord Horses have! Eike Schoen-Petersen Germany The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
World Driving Championchip pony '07 in Denmark, day one
This message is from: Birgit [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was a Danish winner in dressage for single ponies, but it was not a Fjordhorse. Rochelle Temple from USA placed second with her morgan gelding. If you want to see all the results from day one, you can find them here. http://www.wdch-pony-07.dk/download/onlineresults/DEN/WDCH.20070719.2007072 2/DRESSAGE.htm http://www.wdch-pony-07.dk/download/onlineresults/DEN/WDCH.20070719.20070722 /DRESSAGE.htm The Danish fjordhorses placed 7 and 11, the Norwegian singles 17 and 27 out of 29. But of course a lot of things can change on the next two competition days. Saturday the very exciting marathon takes places and Sunday is the third competition-day. Today Friday the dressage continues. 43 pairs and 4-in-hands will compete, among them only one fjord-pair from Denmark and a 4-in-hand from Germany. You can follow the competition on the abovementioned link. Best regards from sunny Denmark (wonderful after close to a month with rain and rain) Birgit The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Jensen's Driving Weekends
This message is from: Scott Corinne Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here we are Saturday night again. Last Saturday night, we were watching the stars - tons of them - from Brian Ursula Jensen's cabin window. We went to participate in their driving weekend, but ended up with so much more - including new friends Sam, Reynor, Neesa, Stein and Zack. Yes, Brian, Ursula Julie too! :-) Brian has a way about him that make learning not only enjoyable, but understandable as well. I felt so overwhelmed at the end of the first day (they said I would be), but by the end of the weekend - I realized I was actually driving! Pretty good for a greenie. Thank you Brian for you kindness and patience! I only thought I was a good cook - Ursula will blow you away with dinner to DIE for! Seriously. Her hospitality is something we can all learn from. We weren't sure us suburbanites would do OK out in the cabin, but it was soo quiet and cozy. You could not only see stars forever, but you could even make out the Milky Way. We were just waiting for some Northern Lights, but not this time around. Brian and Ursula, we thank you for your gracious hospitality, a wonderful time of driving (OK, the thought of the fours still scares me a bit), and also for such an education into the history of the Norwegian Fjords. Thank you. Anyone looking for an education in driving and Fjords will do well to spend their time and money with Brian Ursula Jensen. This is one of those things that should be on everyone's, Before I Die list. :-) Or don't just to do it again! Corinne Scott Logan Willow's Edge Farm www.willowsedgefarm.com Bothell, WA 98012 (425) 402-6781 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
driving bit for sale, pony size
This message is from: Debby Stai [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a butterfly driving bit, YIKES, can't recall the brand...its the mullen mouthpiece, with leather curb strapsize 4 1/2. I also have a pony 3pc. snaffle, loose ring...I started my pony in this when I lunged and ground drove him...its from England, a KK bit...was not cheap, neither of these bits were let me know if anyone is interested or knows of someone who has ponys...I used these bits for my 11.2 hand but used them also on a 12.2welsh pony... thanks. Debby The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Getting over Riding/Driving fear! Try my Mature Mare?
This message is from: Misha Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all! Well since I am always starting green horses it seems--I always start them slow--lol. But I hear ya all. I have a 1987 mare that I retired from breeding who looks and acts half her age. She is great--sound, in shape, fit, funny kind super gentle and she is broke to ride and drive single or double. Plenty of pep but VERY laid back, clips loads, does PNH bathes plays poker whatever. I used to let the kids who visit ride her. She hasn't been ridden for a few years but heck--a trip or two around the round pen should do it. I HATE to sell her but it seems silly to have her retired when some one could be enjoying her so much right now. PERFECT for renewing your confidence riding and driving. email me if you are interested. I am asking $2500. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Misha from Shota Fjords The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Getting over Riding/Driving fear! Try my Mature Mare?
This message is from: Linda Lottie [EMAIL PROTECTED] I recently went to a horse sale..one of the featured horses was a 23 year old mare with a shoulder injury. The fellow stated clearly the mare was for walk trot only, but, she can lope. Just stiff with the shoulder and hard for her. She was also black and beautiful..I looked at my friend and said, I am going to buy that horse. My friend said why?. I told her, this horse will be perfect for my friends who want to ride but have little experience. The funny thing is..this sale was a silent sale where bids were made on paper. The only horse out of 20 that had multiple bids was this 23 year old mare. I was in a little bidding war with two other families up until the very end of the sale. In the end, I got her. She went for almost twice what the starting bid was. So, yes, the older, trustworthy horses are, IMO, worth so much. One of the parties looking at the mare had a teenage daughter. I heard the father tell her she would not have to worry with this horse. My thought was, this girl would soon tire of the mare and her walk/trot..but, with my circle of friends, walk/trot would be welcomed and praised forever:):):) To make this fjord related.my mare, Lena, is also the favorite with my friends. The friends who have the skills to steer and keep her head off the grass ride her - haha!! This past weekend a friend and I went for a trail ride on Black Beauty and my older QH. My friend had such a good time and felt relaxed and trusted the mare. My purchase was a good one:) LJBL in WI From: Misha Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Getting over Riding/Driving fear! Try my Mature Mare? Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:35:50 -0700 This message is from: Misha Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all! Well since I am always starting green horses it seems--I always start them slow--lol. But I hear ya all. I have a 1987 mare that I retired from breeding who looks and acts half her age. She is great--sound, in shape, fit, funny kind super gentle and she is broke to ride and drive single or double. Plenty of pep but VERY laid back, clips loads, does PNH bathes plays poker whatever. I used to let the kids who visit ride her. She hasn't been ridden for a few years but heck--a trip or two around the round pen should do it. I HATE to sell her but it seems silly to have her retired when some one could be enjoying her so much right now. PERFECT for renewing your confidence riding and driving. email me if you are interested. I am asking $2500. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Misha from Shota Fjords The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Pederson's driving weekend
This message is from: oe Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wea returned yesterday for the Pederson's driving weekend. What a great experience. They have the best facilities for this kind of activity. We drove singles, pairs and a four up. Even had time to saddle up the Fjords and ride away. The weather was great with some wind, but that kept is cooler. Jeff and Lisa have two Fjord mares that I lusted after, Gretle and Marit. Probably did not spell that right but I have CB brain. Just a small malfunction of the brain caused by chemotherapy.The new colt PF Phantom is a joy. He likes things done his way and if Moma gets in the way or does not cooperate, he lets her know. He was running around in the evening time and did not see the feed barrel. He ended jumping right over it. I think she may have an eventing horse. This is the first time I've seen Leidjo (sp) and I was impressed. He is such a gentleman around mares that are in heat. They have a disgruntled employee paddock that I think our mare might move into. The weekend was fun and on Saturday, Jeff outdid himself with pork and tri-tip barbequed roasts. So much for weight watchers. The company was fun and very informative. We put our so far unused Camptown harnesses on our pair. First time out they weren't to keen on it, but after Jeff made adjustments in the reins and other things, it worked out great and the harness looks wonderful on the Fjords. Thank you so much Jeff and Lisa for a fantastic time and for all your hard work and the great food. Pat Wilson Uff Dah Fjords Hyde Park, UT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Driving Clinic with Robin Groves, Colrain Mass
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Driving Clinic With Robin Groves August 4 and 5 Get Away Weekend At Penfrydd Horse Farm in beautiful Colrain. Ma. A Gorgeous setting, 20 minutes from major highway. Two days of driving instruction including Dressage, Cones, and Hazards with Advanced Driver, Judge, and Extremely knowledgeable Clinician Robin Groves of Brownsville, VT $220 includes two lessons each day Accommodations and stabling available on site at additional cost Lunch and Dinner provided at additional cost. Limited Number of spaces available $50 Non- refundable deposit required to hold space. Auditors welcome $25 per day Bring your horse or use one of our well-trained Norwegian Fjords. For More Information Contact Ceacy Henderson or Nancie Rich at 413-624-8969 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail Deposit to: Ceacy Henderson 107 Hillman Rd. Colrain, Ma 01340 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Driving alone...Thanks for all the help!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for all the great suggestions! I don't have an eventing vest but I think I'm going to get one...sort of the little black dress of equestrian sports, right? I always take my cell with me (riding too) but now I've added calling my sister-in-law before I leave, filing a flight plan and calling her upon my return. I've got a good knife in my show trunk along with a helmet and that ADS ID armband so maybe it's time I dragged them out. Especially the armband. If anything ever happened, Braveheart (the wonder pony) is DNA-ed, microchipped and tattooed so there'd be no trouble identifying HIM, but ME...? Anyhow, I feel a lot better knowing that there are lots of us who don't wait for the planets to be in perfect alignment to go driving. I like to take people along when I go out but the kind of driving in the plan for the next couple of months would require company at least 5 days a week and THAT is not a favor, it's an imposition. And so, armed with all my new hints and my loyal pony's gift for ignoring traffic, inquisitive llamas and deer, off I go. Trot on! Kay and Braveheart who is sure that HE doesn't want anyone else on the cart and Bogie, who says, What's a cart? (Which I hope to show him sometime this year.) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Driving alone...Thanks for all the help!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, Kay, what about a little tattoo on your, um, well, uh, wherever?!? :-) DeeAnna ...If anything ever happened, Braveheart (the wonder pony) is DNA-ed, microchipped and tattooed so there'd be no trouble identifying HIM, but ME...? The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: A driving question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Kaye, Kirby and I go out driving alone all the time. I take my cell phone and let my husband know the route and how long it should take. But, like you, if I waited for someone to go with I'd never get to drive. Nancy Hotovy did a great job teaching Kirby what his job is and he does it very well. ---Meredith and TUF Kirby (who is glad it's raining cuz then he gets the night off--- ...so when you need the balance from circumstances in your day, the best therapy you can seek, is out there chomping hay!... Bear in mind the simple rule: X squared to the power of two minus five over the seven-point-eight three times nineteen is approximately equal to the cube root of MCC squared divided by X minus a quarter of a third percent. Keep that in mind, and you can't go very far wrong. -Original Message- -- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:39:36 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A driving question. This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, I was just wondering about what everybody does in regard to some advice I was recently given. I was told that I should never go driving without someone else on the carriage with me. While I know that this would be ideal, it would really limit my practice time, not to mention my it's-such-a-pretty-day-for-a-drive time. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
A driving question.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, I was just wondering about what everybody does in regard to some advice I was recently given. I was told that I should never go driving without someone else on the carriage with me. While I know that this would be ideal, it would really limit my practice time, not to mention my it's-such-a-pretty-day-for-a-drive time. I have no staff and, although there's another lottery drawing tonight, I don't really forsee ever having one. And, although I've heard worse reasons, marriage, just to have someone else on the cart, probably isn't the best way to go either. So what does everybody do? The nice weather is slowly arriving and I've been riding Braveheart and Bogie pretty much every day. Evidently, that's not a problem. I've had BH over almost all the routes we'd use in harness so he could get a good look at the traffic, dogs, flowers, mailboxes, etc. and he's been his usual energetic but good-boy self. I take my cell phone and go out between 9AM and 2PM while people are at work or school, which is about as good as it's ever going to get for me. I don't want to be foolish but if I can't take my pony out for a drive without waiting until someone is free to go with me, it seems like I've spent a staggering amount of time, money (for me) and effort learning to do something that I mostly shouldn't be doing. Words of wisdom? I could use them. Kay @ Yellow Pony Farm in SE MI where, we believe, spring may finally be arriving! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: A driving question.
This message is from: Sarah Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] My advice is carpe diem! I have heard the same advice about not riding alone. It makes sense and if practicable then great. But if it results in you not being able to do what you want and need to do to stay sane, then I would just take the reasonble precautions and go. I have been riding alone since moving the horse(s) to my home 20 years ago. I always ride with a helmet and try not to do anything stupid and so far no permanent damage has occurred. (My 2 worst riding accidents have happened in full view of a large audience and it didn't really seem to help.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, I was just wondering about what everybody does in regard to some advice I was recently given. I was told that I should never go driving without someone else on the carriage with me. While I know that this would be ideal, it would really limit my practice time, not to mention my it's-such-a-pretty-day-for-a-drive time. I have no staff and, although there's another lottery drawing tonight, I don't really forsee ever having one. And, although I've heard worse reasons, marriage, just to have someone else on the cart, probably isn't the best way to go either. So what does everybody do? The nice weather is slowly arriving and I've been riding Braveheart and Bogie pretty much every day. Evidently, that's not a problem. I've had BH over almost all the routes we'd use in harness so he could get a good look at the traffic, dogs, flowers, mailboxes, etc. and he's been his usual energetic but good-boy self. I take my cell phone and go out between 9AM and 2PM while people are at work or school, which is about as good as it's ever going to get for me. I don't want to be foolish but if I can't take my pony out for a drive without waiting until someone is free to go with me, it seems like I've spent a staggering amount of time, money (for me) and effort learning to do something that I mostly shouldn't be doing. Words of wisdom? I could use them. Kay @ Yellow Pony Farm in SE MI where, we believe, spring may finally be arriving! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
driving alone
This message is from: S. A. Freivald [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I agree that it is always the better, safer thing to do--having someone with you when you drive, the fact is that I would drive perhaps twice a year if that was the criteria I had to meet. I almost always hitch and drive alone. But, that being said, I try to be sensible and take every reasonable precaution. Wear my helmet for one. Double check my cart and harness and pony before I set out. Know where I'm going. Tell someone else where I am going, if at all possible. Have my cell phone on my person. Have good ID on my person with person to call in emergency, blood type, allergies, etc. The ADS armband is a great device--can be worn on arm or leg. And go with confidence and enjoy. Sue Freivald and Mr. Venn Who by the way had a wonderful day on Thursday when he got to take 6 special needs kids and one mom (not all at once!) around the arena at a walk and trot for their first introduction to driving. Extra reins attached to the saddle turrets helped them get the feel of things. Venn was an awesome representative of the breed, even bringing in a mom who was scared of horses into his orbit. Can't resist those big brown eyes, that sweet face, and that funky racing stripe! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving alone
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A cell phone attached to the human's body is a great idea. I would also recommend wearing in a comfortable sheath a sharp folding knife or a Leatherman type of multi-tool that has a sharp blade. DeeAnna ...Have my cell phone on my person. Have good ID on my person with person to call in emergency, blood type, allergies, etc The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving question
This message is from: Ardeth Obenauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] I drive by myself a lot. I can't always get someone to go and sometimes it's just nice to have it just be me and the pony. I have no traffic where I drive as I can stay on my own farm, but there are all kinds of critters that could jump out or we could suffer a mechanical failure. I always take my phone with me and wear my helmet. In addition, if Ron is gone for the day, I call someone and let them know what I'm doing and ask them to send out an alarm if they don't hear from me by a specified time. Then I write myself a note to remember to make that call when I get back or I'd forget and have a major rescue effort going on for no reason. Ao Ardeth Obenauf The Lazy AO Farm Shelbyville, TN The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving alone
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it is cool enough, put on an eventing vest along with the helmet. Just one more piece of insurance. (Even if someone is with you, this would be worth doing.) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Ground Driving 101
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/28/2007 6:14:57 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are starting my youngster at the moment. Hes a very good natured chap and loves to do things. We are long reining him regularly, but he is very very strong. He will happily power walk along on both reins now , but when asked for a halt will often try to turn on to you. If he doesnt turn he will often rear up and box. Any ideas to get him out of this Hi Liz ! Hmmm, sounds like with this guy, you need to go back a few steps. The terms very strong and power walk tell me that he missed some information needed for cooperative ground driving. My advice would be to take him back to round pen work. Ask him for forward motion then work on the WHOA request. Than a STAND.all off-line till he gets both of those down near 100 % of the time. Reward alot if he trys it at all to start. How old is he ? Gelded ? If he is young, it might be that he is not emotionally mature enough to handle much stopping and waiting. Try for short periods of time at a stop and stand.gradually building up to longer periods. The rearing up and boxing is troubling. He feels too much pressure for some reason and its not safe to allow him to strike out at you. Once you have good verbal requests down in an inclosed area, try to long line him there, asking for the same things. Praise and reward him for accepting the lines and correct any issues of listening you by going back for a few more refresher's in those basic commands of whoa and stand. Once he has longlining down using the stop and go forward requests, I would ask him to ground driveagain in an enclosed area with a helper walking at his head for xtra support. If the helper has to hold onto his head or restrain in any way, go back a few more steps. Once he is confident in his training in an enclosed area with a helper walking along side, ask them to drop back with lots of verbal support and praise for listening to you. Soon, you should be able to enforce this outside of the enclosed area, first with the helper, than with just the handler. Good-Luck ! Small, tiny steps with these youngsters is best.lots of praise and reward for getting it right. Dont rush him and always stay safe. Lisa Pedersen / Pedersens Fjords, Cedar City, UTAH * where we woke up to about 3' of cold white stuff !!! ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Driving mare or lawn ornament?
This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Vanessa, I might have a suggestion for your mare that you and your trainer might be able to figure/check out. I just want to be clear that she has to be sound with everything else but under saddle (including lunging on a circle). If that is the case, your problem might be with the horse's (and rider's) straightness while your mare is ridden under saddle. Watch her closely while she is being ridden, to make sure that her hind legs are following the front legs, that she is not popping out of either shoulder, or that her hindquarters aren't falling in or falling out, that the weight is as equal as possible on all four legs, with the neck of the horse coming out of the middle of the shoulders, not too much flexion to the left or the right. Also, make sure that the rider is absolutely centered on the horse, not leaning off to either side, or collapsing into either ribcage, or collapsing their hip, or leading with one hip or the other, etc. It might take a few rides to determine, but if you can manage all of that, and she is still lame, then neither of these straightness issues are your problem. I have recently worked with a few horses that appeared to be lame, but only under saddle. The problem with one was a straightness issue in the horse's body, with the horse habitually carrying it's hindquarter weight to one side, and more with one leg that the other. Once the horse was ridden asking the weaker leg to start carrying it's share of the load, placing that leg further under the body than it had habitually been doing, the horse became sound (and has had no problems since). A couple of other horses were rider-crookedness issues. Once the rider learned to sit straight and relaxed in the saddle, the horse was no longer lame (this is sometimes noted as rein lameness). Hope this helps. Beth Vanessa N. Weber wrote: This message is from: Vanessa N. Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I have a young 5 year old mare that I need to rehome. She's had some excellent ground work training but she comes up lame in the right hind when ridden. We've had her vetted up the ying yang and we can't figure out what's wrong. My trainer feels that she might be able to do some driving, and that might even help her loosen up a bit. She's on the pushy side so she's not for a beginner. I absolutely don't want her bred in case whatever is wrong is genetic and also because the weight of a foal might injure her further. If anyone knows of someone who is responsible and can abide with these conditions, could you let me know? Many thanks, Vanessa N Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Driving mare or lawn ornament?
This message is from: Vanessa N. Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I have a young 5 year old mare that I need to rehome. She's had some excellent ground work training but she comes up lame in the right hind when ridden. We've had her vetted up the ying yang and we can't figure out what's wrong. My trainer feels that she might be able to do some driving, and that might even help her loosen up a bit. She's on the pushy side so she's not for a beginner. I absolutely don't want her bred in case whatever is wrong is genetic and also because the weight of a foal might injure her further. If anyone knows of someone who is responsible and can abide with these conditions, could you let me know? Many thanks, Vanessa N Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Socks for Phillip and Driving aprons
This message is from: Ursula Brian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List from Brian Jensen; Some years ago a very traditionalist English carriage whip told us that men's socks have to be maroon in color. I have never seen this anywhere in writing or published, although in conversations with some other carriage whips, they as well have heard it. I wear maroon socks in driving classes. On another note, as a Driving Judge one gets to see some most interesting attire, or lack there of under the driving apron. I have noticed jeans, shorts, and can I say leather boots with underpants!! In her haste for getting ready a lady whip took off her jeans and did the apron wrap without thinking about slacks or a skirt. During the Turnout Class the breeze happened to alter the apron's coverage and a bare leg appeared across the ring. As I walked down the line up to view each turnout I encountered a very red faced lady who mouthed the words, I am sorry!! Ursula and Brian Jensen Box 1032 Lumby, B.C. Canada V0E 2G0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.trinityfjords.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Socks for Phillip and Driving aprons
This message is from: Douglas Knutsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian, Some folks have all the fun Peg K - Original Message - From: Ursula Brian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordlist fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:45 AM Subject: Socks for Phillip and Driving aprons This message is from: Ursula Brian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List from Brian Jensen; Some years ago a very traditionalist English carriage whip told us that men's socks have to be maroon in color. I have never seen this anywhere in writing or published, although in conversations with some other carriage whips, they as well have heard it. I wear maroon socks in driving classes. On another note, as a Driving Judge one gets to see some most interesting attire, or lack there of under the driving apron. I have noticed jeans, shorts, and can I say leather boots with underpants!! In her haste for getting ready a lady whip took off her jeans and did the apron wrap without thinking about slacks or a skirt. During the Turnout Class the breeze happened to alter the apron's coverage and a bare leg appeared across the ring. As I walked down the line up to view each turnout I encountered a very red faced lady who mouthed the words, I am sorry!! Ursula and Brian Jensen Box 1032 Lumby, B.C. Canada V0E 2G0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.trinityfjords.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Safer Driving
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/26/2007 10:37:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I saw the fury and power of a runaway team. It reminds me of a quote from one of Connecticut's oldest residents visited by a reporter at her nursing home. She was asked how she had lived so long and she said, My Dad long ago told me to watch out for mad dogs and runaway horses. Valerie in snowy Connecticut Thanks for the post and good reminder Valerie. I also missed Ruth's post about the wreck in the Tueson Rodeo Parade, which sadly resulted in a childs death. * This next, copied with permission from a Pony List,is another sad but timely reminder of what can and will go wrong in the dangerous sport of carriage driving. * * We have a Shetland pony I have been ground driving for years. Finally, last year I bit the bullet and bought a cart and decide I'm going to learn to drive. I found several good groups through yahoo, and started reading in search for knowledge (I'm always searching for knowledge and sometimes that gets in the way of things I already know). I made a few post in hopes of finding some more pony friends. To make a long story short, I met someone fairly local and went and drove with her a few times. I enjoyed it and respected the fact she had been driving for several years and seems like she has had extensive training. I felt greateful for the opportunity to drive with her. She came out a time or 2 and watched my pony ground drive and such. I did months of ground work with pony and the cart, and I was anxious to hook my pony for the 1st time. I thought with her experience and help I would be more confident. When the day came and we decided to hook him, my confidence was chipped away as I followed the guidence I was given. I was told it is best to be in a open area to do the first hitch - I wanted to do it in the small fenced area I had available -not ideal but it would have kept the pony from running into the road, etc. I thought someone should hold a saftey line to help turn him in a circle if he bolted. I asked and was told it wasn't needed. My mentor's son even said Shouldn't we take it? and again, We won't need it. was the reply. I tried to take all the precautions I could - I even took the pony's barn buddy to the field at the end of the farm lane he was going to be driven down, thinking he would be calmed by the sight of his buddy once we got to the end of the lane. A truck at the other end of the lane complicated things. As we were trying to hook him, he kept wanting to turn and watch that truck, so I was told to let him stand facing the truck(and road) while we hitched. OK, now we're hitched. I say we need to turn him around - I'm told to ask him to step up and then we'll turn him. Well, Dummy me did!! All my instincts told me not to do what I was doing but I did! He bolted and I dragged behind as long as I could and had to release him. It wasn't a fun learning experience. Since this is getting long enough I'll just say I was extremely lucky no one was hurt and pony was ok. I'm totally to blame for not trusting my own gut instinct and 37 yrs of horse sense! I Blame NO ONE for what transpired that day but myself!! But I have read something that makes me feel as though I need to defend myself, family, and pony! We have been a QH family with extensive Rodeo, Horsemanship, halter and pleasure training experience. Driving was new to my family and I was seeking knowledge from where ever I could find it. My Mother never tried to step in and say anything about my driving and or training, because she was not familiar with the driving world. Mom was in the house with my kids when we hooked the pony and never had any part in the hitching of the pony. She was in the house until she saw the pony running down the road. To my knowledge my mother never, ever stepped in and said anything until after that day! Now, as I ran frantically down the road after the pony, I have no idea what my mother could have said as things unfolded. I know we were all very distdraught over this event. I have never heard her say anything negative about my mentor. She just told me what I already knew - I should've have known better -than to do anything new to a horse that wasn't in a controlled enviroment. It was never a matter of listening to my mother over the mentor. Mom kept her mouth shut and let me figure it out. My mother had absolutely nothing to do with the meltdown!! This pony would be driving today If I had had the confidence to rehook him that day- in a controlled enviroment. If that pony would have been contained in the first place, he wouldn't have ran into traffic and unfamiliar territory. That freaked him out even more than the cart chasing him. He didn't know where he was once he headed west of my
Driving bit for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sprenger HO Swivel 3-Slot Liverpool Stainless Steel Cheek, Aurigan Mouth â from Germany Out standing Quality bit... 6 mouth and perfect for that driving Fjord. Cost me $235.00 new... barely used...will sell for $200.00 and will pay for shipping in the lower 48 states. Pretty good deal! Have other odds in ends for sale. Covered EZ Stirrups, 2 1/2 Stirrup swivels, 21 long Skito pad and other things. Shari The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Driving singles and pairs
This message is from: Norsk Wood Works [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is in response to Kate from Phillip Odden currently enjoying winter weather in Northwestern Wisconsin. I like driving fjords hitched single and in pairs as well. There are things about driving singles that are fun. First you only have to harness one horse so it takes less time to get hitched. Teaching one horse to do all the things a good comfortable driving horse needs to do to be safe and fun is less than half the work it takes to get two of them doing things right. When you get two or more singles straightened up it is still fun but can get a little on the normal side of life. Hitching pairs is more than double the fun. The trick with pairs is to get two of them to work together like one horse. This means they need to start together, stop together and stand quietly together. The upward and downward transitions are supposed to be together and you need to balance two of them in the turns. A pair of fjords have lots more power than a single. If one horse needs to look at something and shows concern about it, chances are the other one will ignore it. But then if both of them are concerned you may have more than double the trouble. I drive or ride and train fjord horses nearly every day. Driving pairs is my favorite. When you get a pair that can really work together and are light and responsive, the music the harness and hooves make together with the added motion and power is a pretty exhilarating way to travel across the landscape. Here we have enough snow to pull the sleighs on our fields but not enough snow to be real comfortable on the forest trails. Maybe by week's end there will be enough snow cover to drive in the woods with the larger bob-sled. I hope so. Phil The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Driving and Draft Workshop
This message is from: Pat Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Build confidence. Prepare and practice for the 2007 show season. Have an enjoyable 5 days playing with horses in good company. Join my Hands-On Driving and Draft Workshop June 25, 2007. Check details at www.patwolfefjords.com under Workshop or contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or telephone 1-877-253-9888. I take six participants and four have already signed up. This would make a good Christmas present. Pat Wolfe The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
driving apron
This message is from: Ursula Brian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I got a little chuckle from Lisa's post. Lisa, tell the seamstress that the robe she made you is gorgeous, truly, it is, but yes, it was too short. According to regulation, it should be worn over the jacket and when sitting on the box, reach the top of your well shined shoes. The reason I know this is because, I lost a first class placing in a Turnout class at Spruce Meadows because my apron was too short. The judge was from Florida and after the class was announced and I got 2nd she came and told me. I guess it was all she could think of that made the difference...g. And yes, Lisa, I did notice in Winona and chuckled to myself. :) uj Ursula and Brian Jensen Box 1032 Lumby, B.C. Canada V0E 2G0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.trinityfjords.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Combined Driving Clinic 10/14,15
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ANNOUNCEMENT !!! Teddy Bear Fjords Presents, HANDS ON COMBINED DRIVING CLINIC Saturday and Sunday October 14 15 2006 Join the fun with Clinicians China Larabe and Donna Burgess Includes dressage, cones, cross-country paths, obstacles, instruction and safety tips Cost: $110 includes lunch Saturday and Sunday Audit students $20 Contact Warren or Sylvia to register: 509-464-4490 Private lessons available on Friday October 13 Contact China or Donna to schedule lessons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Warren Sylvia
Driving in Maine
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wanted to write about my lovely time at Acadia National Park, driving with my friend and her 8 yr old fjord Ekko, out of my Stallion Drafn [Sanjar X Jomfrurosa] and my Mare, Malene Stanstorp [Caesar Halsnaes X Muddi Stanstorp] We went with a group of Friesian owners, 11 of them. We met this group through our driving trainer who is a Friesian owner/trainer, Jenny Wells. Ekko has only been trained to drive since this spring, and he was BORN to drive. :) What a joy. Ekko out trotted, cantered and lasted all the Friesians. He's in EXCELLENT shape for driving these trails. We were not sure what to expect, as far as the differences in size and leg stride, but he did alright for himself :) He actually had most of the group, pleasantly surprised. Some even commented that Ekko had changed their opinions of Fjords, having know a few CRAZY ones. Ekko is quite the ambassador for the breed :) And you can bet, in a group of BLACK horseshe really stood out and we got A LOT of attention everywhere we went, even though we were with some LOVELY horses. If you have never had the chance to drive the carriage trails here at Acadia National Park, you are missing out. They are AMAZING!!! We went for 5 days, and the weather was perfect the whole time. The only rain we got was in the evening, and it burned off before we went out the next day. The scenery is to die for. The stalls are wonderful. Those of you going on the camp with your pony trip, this month. I'm envious already. Maybe we can get there one day and drive with you all. :) We also met up with Sara Genio, of Mandala Farm, here in Maine, who brought their fjord gelding over to drive. It was one of the best vacations I've had Ekko has participated in a number of driving clinic's with Muffy Seaton (who isn't a big fan of fjords, but she really enjoyed working with him) since he left the trainers barn in March. He has just recently had a few lessons with Scott Monroe who LOVED him. He told me that out of the MANY fjords and halflinger's he's driven - Ekko is NOTHING like them. He said he's ready to marathon- Not that his owner is interested in THAT :) He said with a little more work he could do ANYTHING, and go far doing it. Ekko's owner is a GREEN driver, she also just learnt to drive this spring, and she's a fast study. She's done GREAT with him. I was VERY pleased to have him think this, as we feel all our off spring from this mating have been OUTSTANDING, and it's nice to hear we're not alone in thinking that :) We've got some amazing driving horses out of this matting. My Mare Malene is 22 this year. We have bred her to our stallion this summer, after having 2 seasons off. I'm not sure how many more times we'll be mating these two, but if anyone is interested in putting a deposit on this next baby, lets talk :) We've sold all but One mare out of these breeding's.. I'm thinking maybe I should have kept more LOL I just got my Fjord Herald today - YEAH! Aimee Day Day's End Fjords Garland Maine [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
Kim's fjord and driving
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks to all who put in their 2 cents on the driving issues. I don't know if I ever will drive, but appreciate the input. When I am up on my hilly property hand carrying dead branches and rocks...I think of how handy the fjord would be to help me haul stuff away and dream.but like all other disciplines with horses it would be a new endeavor and not ready for that..yet! Maybe some day. Kimyour Sammy is a lucky horse. Putting him in training is a wonderful idea. What a love for horses you have! Not everyone would do that to insure a horse is sound and safer for next owner. I had a life changing wreck on a QH but like your Sammy good ground manners, but knew myself and the kids would never ride him and feel safe. Did the30 days training and eval, and found out he loved cows and came alive. Something from his past I didn't know, though should have guessed since was a ranch horse. Just didn't know how to mosey down a trail!He got the right owner (roper cowgirl) through the trainer (his ex girlfriend) for $1. I hope your fjord finds a forever home, and maybe the trainer can help. Cheryl in S. Cal
Re: Kim's fjord and driving
This message is from: Karin Bendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Cheryl, I am not a fjord person, but have been a dressage warmblood and QH enthusiast for most of my riding life; however, after a car accident, my neck is not the same, so quiet, safe (level headed ) and with smooth gates, is a must. I am inquiring about these interesting looking horses ( fjords)...to see if they are good for riding for older and somewhat impaired riders ( meaning, I can't do a lot of up and down, impact motion such as a dressage sitting trot), but can walk, posting trot and canter although, the smoother gaited the horse, the better it is. If you can give me any help, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Karin CHERYL GARNICA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA Thanks to all who put in their 2 cents on the driving issues. I don't know if I ever will drive, but appreciate the input. When I am up on my hilly property hand carrying dead branches and rocks...I think of how handy the fjord would be to help me haul stuff away and dream.but like all other disciplines with horses it would be a new endeavor and not ready for that..yet! Maybe some day. Kimyour Sammy is a lucky horse. Putting him in training is a wonderful idea. What a love for horses you have! Not everyone would do that to insure a horse is sound and safer for next owner. I had a life changing wreck on a QH but like your Sammy good ground manners, but knew myself and the kids would never ride him and feel safe. Did the30 days training and eval, and found out he loved cows and came alive. Something from his past I didn't know, though should have guessed since was a ranch horse. Just didn't know how to mosey down a trail! He got the right owner (roper cowgirl) through the trainer (his ex girlfriend) for $1. I hope your fjord finds a forever home, and maybe the trainer can help. Cheryl in S. Cal Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Driving a single vs pair
This message is from: M Korose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List i have to agree that sometimes horses trained as a pair are a bit of a hassle as singles. My pair LOVES to go together and sometimes get snitty alone, but we try and give them those opportuities as they arise, it is good for them. It is nice to have a really steady horse, tho, that you can attach a young one to so they get the aha moment faster. We had a nice mare (13h2) that was ground driving fine, but when hitched single was very diffident, just not sure. We put her with her sister (14h3) two times around the farm and she was then much easier to bring along single. She now is driving single with a family that loves to go out with her, she gains a lot of courage with every drive and that first experience with her sister did a lot. We have a lot of youngsters to bring along this next year and I am sure our two steady eddies will be happy to mosey along with them to show them the ropes. Marsha (in VA and WV, if it is Friday, I must be heading west, if it is Sunday, I am going east) www.deepcreekfjords.com - See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out.
Driving
This message is from: lhcarriage [EMAIL PROTECTED] As many know I have been driving for a long time and I agree with Lisa that a horse ( pony ) needs to learn how to drive single first. I have had a few horses that I have bought that have only been driven in a pair or more. I find with all those cases, I have found a horse that does not have the confidence to start a vehicle. But if you train them first to pull single and are going good single and then bring them together as a pair, you will have a better horse. I began driving because I had a wife that was afraid of horses and this was a way that I could share my horses with her. I would handle the horse and she could just sit there. I have since changed wives but the driving has stayed. As one of my mentors said driving is a mental sport and a great way to relax. Training is the most important thing for both horse driver. The next most important thing is safety and last is that you are dealing with an animal which can react at any time never take anything for granted. The only safe horse is made of plastic but with training and safe habits you can enjoy driving. I find the most important thing to teach is whoa and STAND. I almost always unharness my horses at a stand . At this point they are home and tired but as often as possible I still have someone there to head. Never leave a horse unattended that is asking for trouble. Happy Trails. Les Les Margaret Hoagland Callahan, CA
Re: Driving
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: lhcarriage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:10 pm Subject: Driving This message is from: lhcarriage [EMAIL PROTECTED] As many know I have been driving for a long time and I agree with Lisa that a horse ( pony ) needs to learn how to drive single first. I have had a few ditto I am taking team driving lessons from an old time driver who has horse farmed for years using his percheron and shire draft teams. This is in preparation to teaching two of my own to work as a team. Although he does advocate hitching a young horse to an older one, he will only do it if the youngster has first driven single. He always starts a daily workout for his young teams on a stoneboat so the edge is off and they learn to stand without fidgeting. His too are trained to stand for harnessing and he has his own code to start them since he now drives wagons with lots of kids, who invariably try to make the horses go on their own. He took me on as a student after we both drove for a reenactment of a stretch of the oregon trail ( about 62 miles over three days with 16 kids) I drove my Fjord mare single on a spring wagon with her foal behind over about a third of the trail ( too long for a youngster to go the whole way) behind the mounted riders and walkers. We picke d up the stragglers who were walking and needed a break . Thankfully, I completed the trail in my pickup with airconditioning as the safety pickup for kids who had too much sun. It was hot, dusty but a once in a lifetime opportunity for a group of kids .We camped out every night. To make a long story short, he was impressed with the Fjord and wants to add a Fjord team (mine) to next years trek. (probably the only reason he is teaching ME) and he wants to have someone to help drive when he needs more than one wagon. I was totally impressed with the manners of his team and how absolutely responsive they were to voice and lines. They would freeze in their tracks when you let up contact or he told them to whoa and stand. He really emphasizes this because his kid passengers are so unpredictable and at the most unexpected times will dart around the horses. He, in turn was impressed with the Fjord. He was surprised that she kept up with his team and her totally calm dem eanor around kids, horses and all the things on the trail, especially with a colt in tow. (The colt by the way was the hit of the drive - I let the kids name him). (I personally think that he is also impressed with the short distance from ground to back for harnessing. I can barely get the harnesses on the big guys, they are so heavy and thisguy is in his 70s with a bad leg and back.) Kathy -roasting in SE Idaho
single, pairs driving
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/22/2006 11:26:32 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silly question maybe, but here goes. When training to drive, is the newbie horse always paired as team with experienced partner? Or can they be hooked up single from the start? (after training) Hi Cheryl ! There are no silly questions. There are silly people who do not ask questions and mess themselves up big time by guessing. We often pair a newby driving horse with an older experienced partner, AFTER they are going well single. Others do it quicker.asking the experienced horse to show the newby horse how to reacthelp pull a loadstop and wait well, ect. The reason we drive singles first, is so that we have a singles driving horse. Horses really DO like to have a partner, and it is much EASIER to hitch a pair with one youngster and one steady oldster, BUT, we find that once going single well, and after those first few hitchs with the experienced one, we take them right back to single for up to a year. They will usually go right back to pairsbut many will resist going well single without the partner and comfort of a buddy, unless you do not shortcut and put the miles on single first and often. Hope this answers your question. I would agree with the idea stated here that green and green, makes for black and blue. Get some good help in getting your horse rehitched and a few lessons together. A 4 yr old, even one whos pulling a stone boat around is not a finished driving horse, IMHO of course. Much luck to those heading out to show this week ! Safe, fun show ahead we hope for everyone !!! Good-Luck everyone, Lisa Pedersen / Pedersens Fjords * Cedar City, UTAH ** HOT and Thunderstormy, HUMID !!! ( whats that ? )Uggg.
driving wee ones
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/22/2006 10:26:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lisa Wiley: this may sound like a stupid question, but is it safer and easier to drive with the minis? I would think so. Used to see a lady driving them where I had horses a while back...cutest thing you ever saw! Maybe that would be a good starting point for the old and terrified like me! HI, Am not Lisa, but I drive one mini who I trained and in the process of training her now 4 year old daughter to drive. First off I want to say, driving is a dangerous sport all the way around. Being safe is the most important. But saying that... it is a lot of fun. Compared to a bigger horse, mini's can be easier to handle. Finding one with a nice steady temperament is most important. Maggie is very steady and shows no fear to anything. Or should say to date, she has not had any spooks or such like that. Many mini's are quite different than larger horses in that respect. The B sized mini's are more suited to driving. More able to handle hills than the smaller ones. Their cart and harness are much lighter than the bigger counter parts. My Fjord mare is trained to drive and some day I will drive her againafter a refresher courseof course. ;O) But right now driving the mini's are fine. Shari
Re: driving info
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] many thanks to all of you who provided me with so much information about it. makes me realize even more what a great extended family the fjord people are. phil, i totally agree with not combining a green drive/green horse. i have been told that oz is probably not even a good candidate for it, and if not, i would not mind having a mini around. but, either way, it will be a while before i am in a position to do anything about it. gotta get this knee totally done with first. oz won't be at blue earth, he's boarding at my instructor's and i will keep him there for a while. she and patti jo have both suggested i build an arena (outdoors) here at home for safer riding. i plan to do that, and told hubby as much. i have 26 acres, and dirt roads, but i feel like i need to start over again, first with some ground work, and lessons, before i bring him home. i always thought how neat it would be to have a horse right out the window, but it's also hard for me right now and i know he's taken good care of where he is. i am told on his last right, they had to pull the cinch up two more notches :) kay, will miss you at BE, but look forward to winona on to blue earth.and next time you guys see me, ya better smile, because i'm going to be running the camera. laurie
Trinity Fjords Driving Weekend
This message is from: Linda Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just returned from an absolutely fabulous driving weekend with Ursula and Brian Jensen. I was the only student and my days were filled with driving a number of their lovely Fjords. I learned SO much. Just having a lesson a week as I have been doing just doesn't compare with the weekend of concentrated training I had with the Jensens. We drove then had breaks and discussed my performance and then drove again. And videos were made of my driving and after Ursula's wonderful dinners we watched the video and discussed different points. It was SO helpful. I can't recommend Trinity Fjord Driving Weekends enough! I will be back next year for sure. And the weather was great! What more can one ask for, good people, good horses, and good food. The way to my heart. Thanks again Ursula and Brian. Linda Taylor, Nevada City, Ca (Sigrid's mummy)
Driving question
This message is from: Steve Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve is wanting to learn to drive now! The idea of driving downright scares me, all those straps that all have to be just right, and a cart that the horse could decide was going to eat them at the most unexpected moments ... Question of the day: Does the one-rein stop work with horses being driven? If the one-rein stop works I can relax a little. Meredith Sessoms Moulton AL USA ~ Dorina . NFR Aagot . TK Anjanette . TK Arlo . Pepper, the black one ~
Re: Fun for Driving
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] These look like fun. (Found the link on another discussion group.) Only problem is, I don't think they make them wide enough for my tubby Fjord. http://saddlechariot.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/index.html Wendee Wendee: The saddle chariot fits any size horse. Simon has put them on Belgians. The good part is you can buy one SaddlrChariot and get different parts to fit different sized horses. I expect to have a demo model rigged for my Fjord before November. Where do you live? Cherie in North Carolina
