Re: Various happenings at Beaver Dam Farm this summer --
This message is from: "Beaver Dam Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm -- I need to get off my soapbox for a bit re the DVD Evaluations, and tell you about what's happening at the farm. INTERNSHIP PROGRAM -- We're very pleased this year to have applications from quite a few American and Canadian girls. It makes our summers just that much more international to have a good mixture of European and North American interns. -- This year is shaping up very nicely. We have girls coming from Germany and Holland, and also have a girl coming from England this season. She'll be the first British girl we've had. -- Because of the fact that the girls come and go throughout the season, we still have places for a few more interns. Our minimum stay is 6 weeks, but I have to tell you that in all the years we've been offering the Internship Program, the girls who stay the longest get the most out of the program. -- It always takes them a certain period of time to settle in, and that can be two weeks, so they really need more time to make friends and to really understand the culture and people of Nova Scotia. -- So, for those of you who have daughters or granddaughters you think would be suitable, please have them email us. - In order to qualify for this program, the girls need a good level of riding and horsemanship. NEW! "HIP" - Horse Immersion Program - This program is for girls between 14 - 17 . . . girls whose horsemanship isn't yet at the level for the Internship Program. This is a learning program, and the cost is $650 U.S. per week, and it includes room, board, riding lessons, horsemanship lessons, plus all the horse activities. -- The girls stay in our home, in a nice bedroom with one other girl, and we always try to mix up the nationalities which allows the girls to make the most of the cultural exchange. --Along with riding and other horse activities, the days are filled with shared barn work, cooking, hiking, lawn games, and time at the beach. As so many of our guests say each summer . . . ."What a wonderful opportunity these girls have to be here at the farm?" NOVA SCOTIA RIDING VACATION - Beginner to Intermediate Level - Our teaching is based on dressage, and almost all our saddles are dressage saddles. Very small classes. One on one lessons if needed. -- For beginners, we start them out on the lungeline in the Round Pen. -- It's a great way to gain confidence. We have two sand rings, plus our grass driving dressage arena. Lessons take place in all three areas, plus on the trail. -- The vacation is four days and includes a gourmet lunch each day (at least one on the trail), a Wine & Cheese Welcome Party on Sunday night - A Wine & Cheese Beach Party with Horses, a gift certificate from Carol & Arthur to Gabrieu's Bistrot (#1 restaurant in Nova Scotia). -- Our program has always been based on our serious desire to teach riding and driving, along with an equal desire to give our guests a fun vacation they won't forget. NOVA SCOTIA DRIVING VACATIONS - Beginners & Beyond - a 4-DAY program packed full of instruction, fellowship, and fun. Those doing the Riding Vacation and those doing Driving Vacation are joined together for many social occasions, including the gourmet lunches on the deck overlooking the ocean. -- We're also all together for the two Wine & Cheese Parties -- At Hill House, and on the beach. -- The Driving Vacation is geared toward beginners, but we have sufficient staff and we're small enough so that drivers with experience can also benefit and enjoy themselves with our quality driving horses. -- As always, our goal is serious instruction coupled with lots of fun and laughs. CONSIGNMENT HORSE PROGRAM - We're looking for a few more extra nice horses to sell under our name in this year's Consignment Program. -- If you have such a horse that you need to sell, give us a call. - We only sell horses that are here at Beaver Dam Farm, and in our training program. -- People sometimes ask us to sell their horse while it remains on their property. This we can't do, and we don't see how anybody else could either. - The only way we can sell a horse is if we know the animal extremely well. That means working with him daily, and truly getting to know all his good, great, and not so great aspects. -- With this knowledge under our belt, we can honestly and enthusiastically talk about him to buyers. -- We're really concerned, for all three parties (the horse, the seller, and the buyer) that the match we make is as good as can be. -- Our consigning owners love their horses, and want them to go to a good and proper home. We respect this, and try our best -- try our darndest to make it happen. -- The fact that the consigned horses we sell are sold under the Beaver Dam Farm name means a lot to the buyers, and means everything to us. That's why we stress that we'll only take qualilty horses. FITNESS FOR
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This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Naming - well, Hjertebarn (apple of my eye) is called Tank and Starfire Chiron (a very elegant name in my opinion) is called Teddy (as in bear) and also "baby." A friend of mine cautioned me about calling Teddy, Baby, because she called her mare, Filly, when she was young, and that forever remained her name. Nose Blowing - I always thought blowing in a horse's nose was imitating what they do to meet and greet each other. I love to do it and get a little snuffle back at me. (They prefer that I haven't recently eaten meat!) I coordinated a Linda Fairbanks Driving Clinic this weekend. If any of you are planning to do one, I highly recommend her. She was just great with everybody. She helped me get Tank's new collar adjusted correctly so that I now feel comfortable that it fits. He likes it so much better than his breast collar. Look for an article about the clinic in the June "Whip." Dave McWethy is coming to do a clinic in Roswell, NM in April but unfortunately I will be at my Mom's (90th birthday!). You are all up-to-date for now. Keep dry and warm! In the valley here in Las Cruces, the trees were flowering this morning. I don't know what they look like now since we just had heavy hail. Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/cmadden88011 Zia Carriage Driving Club: http://www.geocities.com/zcdc_nm
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This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi again to all, I have been absent from the Digest for a long while, for various personal reasons.The most recent is the first I have read in a couple of months. So here are some scattered thoughts and responses. Gayle, I'm sure you already know it, but I want to comment anyway that the "horse crazy" gene abviously runs in your family. I must be a mutant, because I'm the only one in my extended family who is crazy in this particular way. Never mind about other ways to be crazy Your niece is lucky to have you. My kids both wish I would sell my horses [all 4 of them] and just be a regular middle-aged lady. I'm not sure why they think selling the horses would accomplish that Alex - the very best of luck to you in your various challenges. My thoughts are with you. I want to congratulate Solveig and Dan Watanabe on their recent purchase of our Norwegian imported mare, Vies Vilde, in foal to Erlend. I couldn't ask for a better home for her, and she will get much more quality attention at Olivia Farm than here. It was wonderful to watch Solveig work Vilde in the arena using only Norwegian commands. Vilde, naturally, responded well to all of them. She was a year old when we imported her, and my Norwegian is spotty, so I imagine she was relieved to be under the care of someone who spoke her language. She earned a Blue in Conformation and Movement at Day's Creek, and will go on to bigger and better things, I am certain. A good match. Vilde will foal in July. I have waited four years for this foal, so I can't wait to see it. But we will have no babies here this year. I fervently hope that Solveig, Dan, and their two gorgeous children will move to the dry side of the state, near us. Come on, you guys, don't stay stuck in the mud Bye for now, Peg Peg Knutsen www.elltel.net/kffjord/
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 01:17 PM 9/6/2004, you wrote: This message is from: "Linda Lehnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I stupidly forgot to put a German wall outlet and a surge protector with multiple outlets in the boxes with the computer, so I have to wait until I get my other boxes from Germany before I can get my computer installed (after I also have an electrician install a 220v cable). Linda, Check the back of the computer. Look near the power supply where the power cord plugs in. On most PC's there is a switch there that will let you change the voltage from 220 to 110. Then all you need is the US style power cord that you should be able to buy at any computer store. Mike
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This message is from: "Linda Lehnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, Folks! I am still having to use the internet cafe as I do not yet have my computer hooked up. I stupidly forgot to put a German wall outlet and a surge protector with multiple outlets in the boxes with the computer, so I have to wait until I get my other boxes from Germany before I can get my computer installed (after I also have an electrician install a 220v cable). Some German breeders got together and started a new website for Fjords. They sent me an e-mail about it so I looked at it yesterday. It's a really good one. It has a map of the country showing the location of the breeding farms, a list of breeders with pictures of their stallions and information on the stallions, name and address of the breeder and farm, and website if they have one. It is http://www.fjordpferde-info.de. The Fjord Fan Shop is on there too and they have their 2005 calendars available. The big ones are 19.95 Euros and the small postcard calendars are less than 8 Euros. Janice, Eike Schoen-Petersen and his family have a Saethersblakken son, Solbjorborken, apparently bred and foaled in Norway. His picture is on this website and he's beautiful and very impressive. Eike, you and your family are to be congratulated for having such a fine stallion. Birgit, mange tusen takk (probably spelled wrong) for your excellent, in-depth description of the German Fjord show. I am not surprised that the horses with Rei Halsnaes breeding did so well at the inspection. When I was over there, I always noticed in the reports of the inspections in the Ponies aus Hessen magazine that they did well in their inspections too. Did the Eitenmuller sons show any of their stallions, Dylan, Kvest Halsnaes and Raann, in any of the saddle classes? If so, how did they do? I've seen Kvest Halsnaes; he has some age on him (I think he's about 19 or so and so is Rei Romanow and Jon Halsnaes). Is Jon Halsnaes still in Scotland? Linda in Ajijic, Jalisco, Mexico Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.
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This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Random notes - We shoe only for heavy training or for our rocky trails here. All our Fjords have great feet. Even the stupid ones [Sorry, Ruthie, the devil made me do it] Touch therapy - many kinds, do you mean massage, chiropractic, hugs and kisses, or what? I believe in all of those! Congrats to all the new babies. I can't wait. Sadie is even more eager. Thanks for the info on axles, we are researching. Bye - Peg Peg Knutsen www.elltel.net/kffjord/
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This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brigid, I have been enjoying your wonderful reports from Prineville. I wish I had been able to go this year. I'm looking forward to next year and spending time with the many friends down there. Maggie McLaughlin, we will make this work eventually! The Pasco all-breed show is going on right now, and we are not there either. Dang! I hope we get to do something before Libby, but that may be our next chance. Sadie is in her last month now, and right on schedule with softening behind and pumpkin-belly. Yenna is back from visiting Erlend's daughter, Neesa, at Betsy Billeter's, and Sadie is glad to see her. Not so Vilde, who delights is chasing The Yellow Intruder around the mare enclosure. Soon Sadie will move to the foaling area, and Mr Windson will get to be with Vilde and Yenna. We will introduce him slowly, but I can hardly wait to see how that all sorts itself out! I expect Mr W will be on the bottom of the Totem Pole, at least at first, even though he is such a pretty boy that they should be glad to see him. They will have to adjust as we must make room for the visiting brides, and he is presently occupying one of the guest accomodations. The coat color genetics book just arrived. I will send a review after I have had time to peruse it. Bye now, Peg Peg Knutsen www.elltel.net/kffjord/
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This message is from: "sandra church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi-hope all the ill horses are showing improvement. My 36 yr old pony developed pneumonia-104 degree fever, respiration of 90+ so I decided to put her down-called the vet, called the backhoe operator, then by the time the vet got here, Pacer had perked up & I couldn't do it! She recovered & I saw her galloping & bucking across the field yesterday! Hopefully, Amy is also mending.Karen, THANK YOU for the info on the wild cherry tree. I wish I had a way to test for toxicity level to know when it'll be safe to let my minis back in their fieldthat's where the majority of my neighbor's leaves fall. I found a perfectly green (small) branch of wild cherry in their water tub yesterdayjust makes me want to crank up the chain saw but I guess I could be arrested for trespassing & destroying property!Carol-the information I read about preparing horses for hurricanes all recommend that horses be in their pastures with break-away halters & identification rather than in stalls. But-one horse in Va. died in its pasture when struck by a falling tree. Another died when a Menonnite couple forced their driving horse across a sideless bridge which was covered by water. The Menonnites & their horse drowned. I'm very thankful that you were spared damage by Juan & that we survived Isabelle although the new log jumps & water hazard (huge hole left when a huge oak came up by its roots) are still in my largest pasture. I fenced off the hole after remembering the sad story of Tommes. Take care everyoneSandra in very cold Va. High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month*. Click here. *Depending on the local service providers in your area.
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi KAthy, Wouldn't it be Much MUCH less expensive to simply buy a good Fjord weanling or yearling rather than go through all the expense and trouble of doing an embryo transplant? of course it would be interesting to see how the temperment of the recipient mare, thoroougbred, or Thoroughbred/quarterhorse, would affect the baby fjord, who would be raised by this mare. Very interesting! Jean in rainy, foggy, gloomy Fairbanks, ALaska, with nothing better to do why are we getting all this rain, monsoons? > I Am seriously thinking of using my >thoroughbred/Qh and thoroughbred mares as recip mares for embryo >transplant - from a fjord of course. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I totally agree that you should find the horse with which you are most comfortable and let the rest be hanged. If I had had my Fjord earlier, I would have had far fewer horses. I Am seriously thinking of using my thoroughbred/Qh and thoroughbred mares as recip mares for embryo transplant - from a fjord of course. TheTB/QH is absolutely gorgeous, but too exciteable in the mountains for me and I would not trust her as a driving horse. I bred her specifically because the friends I have really loved that cross for trail riding because they can really move out--- and they were convinced that in order to keep up I would need the same kind of horse or a good riding mule. I have a young mule out of the same mare as my TB/QH cross and I agree she will be an awsome mount as long as you are not afraid of heights, but we all have a new respect for the Fjord. . My four year old Fjord just took her first real trail ride in the mountains last week, accompanied by an equally green 4 year old riding mule and an 20 year old steady eddy TB/QH. On this one ride she learned about trail bikes, deer, moose, ponying another horse and crossing rapidly moving water, slipping down a short steep slope and recovering with a rider. And you know what? Those short little legs kept up just fine with the others in spite of at least a 10 inch difference in height. People underestimate the power and athleticism because of the build. I felt confident because it was like riding a six wheel drive gator up those hills. The mule was also steady but insisted on putting the Fjord between himselff and anything really suspicious - probably figured the bears would eat the fat pony first and give him a chance to get away. Actually Jill is not at all fat but has the same girth as the big horses. The day after the trail ride she entertained a group of kids in the arena for half the afternoon and a nine year old girl started riding her english over ground poles. Tomorrow we take her to the county fair for a pleasure driving competition and cones course. If I could have managed to leave her there we would have competed in ladies draft cart class and I think done well. The only thing that comes near this kind of versatility and steadiness in my small group is the mule. The mule and her full brother ( thoroughbred/catalonian) will be a very classy (tall)driving team in another year so I was interested to hear about the draft mules in the CDE competition. The gentleman who helps me train the fjord ( and me) will be working this winter with us on low level dressage to put some collection and polish on her and me. All in all, even though the initial investment may be higher, this is the most used horse that I own and worth her weight in gold to me because I am so much more comfortable with her. Anything any of the other horses can do, she can do ( except win a speed race- unless it is over sagebrush). Now back to my original question - has anyone out there had experience or know of anyone with experience using embryo transplant and recipient mares with Fjords? Kathy in Southern Idaho
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This message is from: "Linda Lehnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Joe, I'm sure all of us who have had horses for some time have faced a similar situation. We understand what you're going through and have much empathy. You, your family and your horse are in my thoughts and prayers and I sincerely hope he makes a good recovery. Brigid, I was absolutely horrified when I read your posting and that of Dagrun on what happened to poor Tommes. With all of the inexperienced helpers, except for the on-call vets, it appears to me that one of the reasons he survived is because he is a good calm Fjord. A more high-strung horse, such as an Araber or Saddlebred or even some high-strung Morgans, would have panicked and struggled so hard that they would have killed themselves. I'm very glad to hear that Tommes survived and apparently without too many injuries. Those of us who were fortunate enough to choose the Fjords are truly blessed with a beautiful, athletic, versatile horse with an outstanding temperament. Lynda, your mare, Renate, sounds great. Based on some of my experience, mostly with extremely timid cats from humane societies, it sounds as if her abuser was male since she responds better to females. I hope you can find a good home for her where the primary caregiver and horseperson is a woman, as I think she will be more comfortable in that situation. Best of luck in finding her a good home; I know you will search hard to find just the right home for Renate. Linda in Lindenfels MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.
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This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We send our heartfelt support to our troops and their families. We do not > support the war... Peg > Anyone who pays their taxes does Peg, =))) like it or not, but I believe I understand what you're belatedly and unnecessarily inferring at this heated point in time... 'though in reality I can't imagine it could be said that there is actually anyone in the US in 'favor' of war; who would not have preferred the obvious alternative. We support our nation's leaders and pray for our troops also. God have Mercy on America and all countries involved.. But I imagine that individual political perceptions is something to be avoided on a general List that is made for Fjords. Ours seem to be blissfully oblivious to world affairs and antipathies... they are wistfully listening for the sound of green grass growing in the pastures. Sgh. Ruthie, nw mt
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Sadie has read the instructions on how to [not] foal. She's so smart! I think she just likes all the extra attention and doesn't want any adorable baby [think filly] around to steal the limelight Meanwhile, Doug and I are developing dark circles and looks of madness as we share foal watch. Doug is doing very well otherwise. He just underwent a catheter procedure to repair a congenital hole in his heart. It's amazing what they can do now. It's also amazing that the hole between the auricles was even diagnosed, as many folks have it, but never know it. It is supposed to close naturally at birth, but sometimes doesn't. It hadn't stopped him from running marathons, mountain climbing, competitive canoeing, etc., but as one ages, the chances of cholesterol or other "debris" getting through and causing a stroke increase. He had one TIA that we know of. Anyway, he is now getting about 12% more oxygen to his brain, so he will be much smarterand much relieved! It was a scare. We send our heartfelt support to our troops and their families. We do not support the war, but we certainly respect, admire, and care about those who are serving. May peace come soon and healing begin! Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.elltel.net/kffjord/
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, First the "various". I haven't seen any mention in this latest fence discussion of only using electric fencing that will break if charged by a Fjord. We use "Turbo wire", which will not cut them. We Always keep the fence on with a good, hot charge. Whenever we put up a new cross fence, we flag it at close intervals so they get used to where it is. Old torn sheets work well for this purpose, but one can be much more creative This is what works best for us. On the dog attack issue, as a long-time Golden Retriever field trial handler, I can tell you that pack behavior is different from individual behavior in any breed. Yes, even your sweet retriever can turn on another dog or sometimes a human target if he/she becomes, even temporarily, part of a pack. I've seen this myself, and also heard a passel of stories. One professional handler only escaped alive from a large kennel where he kept his dogs because, while flat on the ground being mauled, he managed to get his hands on a 2 x 4. He was badly injured. This was not a cruel trainer. For some reason, one dog went after him, and the others followed suit. I would never leave any dog and a toddler alone. Even though most dog behavior is wonderful in these circumstances, a dog who is nervous because he doesn't know what he's expected to do, there is a nearby food dish, he is frightened of the child, he is in an unfamiliar house or circumstance, he feels cornered, etc, etc, is not trustworthy. I have had two Goldens one neutered, one not, that became nervous when "cornered" by a child who was approaching. Just for a capper, Chihuahuas in packs can hamstring a horse and bring it down. John and Eunice - I'm glad you enjoyed my tale of the wild cockroach. We all thought it was a lot funnier than Laurie did I can't quite imagine an appropriate award for this feat - maybe 1st place in the "Embarrass Your Adult Children Class?" Actually, I've won that one so often I think it should be retired permanently on our bookshelf In response to your inquiry about whether our breeding contract is as humorous as my posts, I just have to say that I hope not! Want one so you can judge for yourselves? And finally, Mr. Clark the goat is back with us. He went on a hunger strike and became ill where he was staying. She gave him good care and doted on him hand and hoof, but maybe he was upset because she kept mistaking him for a goat. Anyway, he is here, bedded down in the barn hallway in straw, with a blanket on and a heat lamp [out of reach] over him. The vet took a blood sample, examined him thoroughly, and prescribed "goat ruminant pro-biotic," which he loves. Go figure. At least he's eating and drinking and back with the rest of his herd. We'll keep you informed. Bye, Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.elltel.net/kffjord/
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Well, the aisleways between boxes are getting wider and the tree is up - one thing I never loose track of is the cache of Christmas decorations - so I guess we're somewhat moved in. Our new place is 1500 sq feet big. Just try to squeeze the stuff from a house 1000 sq feet bigger into such a little-bitty house! The "great room," has a vaulted ceiling to make it look bigger, so I needed to find a tree 14 feet tall and only about 2 feet wide. Thought I was going to have to settle for a telephone pole Of course the barn is behind schedule, so the herd is confined to three tiny paddocks made of panels. Boy are they getting cranky! The mud is about 6 inches deep by now and the goat has retired to his little time-out corner to escape equine madness. He only comes out when I am in there retrieving grain buckets, trying to keep my boots from sucking off, and begs me to set him free. Since he communicates his joy at seeing me by rubbing hard against me, often knocking me down because I am literally stuck in the mud, my sympathy runs thin. Are we having fun yet? I have been trying to keep up with the Digest, though, and am so impressed with the rescue efforts! I think the fund is a great idea, and I will contribute as soon as I can find my checkbook. I also want to second the idea of having mare photos on the NFHR Pedigree Pages. This would be a big help to us stallion owners who would like to see more than the bloodlines. Of course, mares that have been Evaluated in the first 6 Evaluations have their pictures in the book, but most of the requests and inquiries do not fall into that category. Big thank-yous to all you rescuers - Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've just had a chance to get caught up with new subscriptions since coming to New Mexico for a visit. I do apologize to those of you who have been waiting to get on the list, or have an address change made. I've also noticed that recently I've been getting a number of "newbie" type questions. I'm sorry, but I usually do not answer these questions individually because the answers were all there in the "Welcome Message" that is sent out to all new subscribers. Unfortunately, many folks do not take the time to read the entire message, and it often gets misplaced so details cannot be checked out at a later date. I have from time to time, sent a copy of the "Welcome Message" to the entire list as a reminder of important stuff. Since it's been quite some time since I have done that I will do so now. Please find it attached below. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List = Welcome Message = Welcome to FjordHorse Mailing List === PLEASE SAVE THIS MESSAGE === It contains information you will need later on. FjordHorse List is an open forum dedicated to the discussion of all subjects relating to the Norwegian Fjord horse. The primary subject of the list is the Fjord horse, but the list is open to the discussion of any related equine issue. Typical subjects may include selection, breeding, care, training, and use of Fjord horses. Personal experiences, discussions of training techniques, good advice and pleasant conversation are always welcome here. View the list as an opportunity to sit around the kitchen table with friends and discuss Fjord horses over a pot of good coffee. Even if you intend to mostly lurk on this list, please introduce yourself when you first subscribe. It's fun for everyone to know everyone else on the list. Tell the rest of us about yourself and your horses. Where do you live? How many horses do you have? What activities do you enjoy with your horse? And whatever else you think the folks sitting around the virtual kitchen table would like to know. And when you do decide to post to the list, please include something in your signature block so other folks know what part of the world you're from. To send a message to the list address it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that even if you subscribe to the FjordHorse Digest, your messages to the list should be directed to the address above. If you reply to a message on the list and your email program copies the original message into your reply, please use your block and delete functions to limit that quotation to only a sentence or two that will establish the context to which you are replying. It is especially important for subscribers to the Digest to eliminate the copy of the entire digest from their replies. Announcements of competitions and clinics, and "for sale" or "wanted" advertisements relating to horses and equipment are welcome. Unrelated commercial ads, chain letters and virus warnings should be kept to yourself. Flaming will not be tolerated. Advertising of items for sale on the list should be limited to brief sales lists to be repeated no more often than once a month. For example, if one has five horses for sale, they may post a list of all five horses, containing their name, breeding, sex, size, age, price and a *brief* description of training or suitability. If a prospective buyer wants more detail about a specific horse they may contact the seller by private e-mail. The same policy will hold for the advertising of harness, tack, vehicles, feeds, books or any other goods appropriate for sale on the list. Remember that people DO take comments personally--that's what makes it fun to be with them. Before posting an angry response, sleep on it. Go ahead and write it up before you forget what you want to say, but don't hit the send button until the next day. Then reread what you have written as if it were directed toward you. If you wouldn't be hurt go ahead and send it. Otherwise you might want to reword your message. Discussion and disagreement are accepted on this list, derision is not. Please DO NOT send pictures or HTML formatted messages to the list. Many people have mail programs that are not capable of viewing them and they come through like a mass of garbage characters. Be aware, that any messages you send to the list that are not formatted as plain ASCII text will be filtered out by the list server and sent to the list owner for reformatting. This may cause long delays in your messages reaching the list. Online archives for the FjordHorse List are available at http://www.eScribe.com/pets/fjordhorse/. The user name is "fjordhorse" and the password is "fjords_rule". At this Web site you can access everything that has been discussed on the list since its inception in March, 1998. At this same site you will find a bulletin board and chat room available to FjordHorse List subscri
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peg - well, I couldn't see your face so I missed that "smirk" :) Linda
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Beth, help! Computer dufous that I am, I couldn't find the fun day listed on your site. Maybe you can tell me, privately, so as not to take up Digest space, what I'm doing wrong. Thanks. Linda, Actually, I did know the Twins were not a soccer team, I couldn't resist. Good luck to 'em! Pat Mcurdy, see you Friday at Old Hickory. You have been such a great support to Julie and Darryl! Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What a wonderful discussion and sharing of knowledge and opinions there has been on the subject of "children's horses." I invited Ruthie privately, and I invite all of you now, to offer wording that you think would properly represent the Fjord breed to the world. We will certainly consider any and all material for our PNFPG web site. Thanks in advance. And, Steve McIlree, you are, indeed, a genius. I LOVED the slide show. And I'm sure that being the human of Tinkertoy's dad had absolutely nothing to do with it Actually, it's interesting to compare Tink with GJ, her full brother from the year before. Both show somewhat finer bone that most Erlend foals, and both show the forehead and rump "cobwebbing" that mostly disappears later. Tink is leggier and more feminine. Both take a bit more after mom than dad, I think, so they inherit Suki's "eyes to die for." I have been having difficulty, however, convincing Janice that she got the filly I was supposed to have from that breeding . I tried to tell her that they must have been switched at the vet hospital, but, so far, she seems determined to retain possession of Tinkertoy. Darn! And yes, Janice, she will be grey. Currently, we are in the throes of getting ready to move. Tomorrow we learn whether our offer is accepted and Tuesday, our house is on the Realtors' tour. Arghhh! At least we have gorgeous visitors to distract us - Mike Melbye's lovely red dun Tilly from Germany, and Shannon Kaplan's Brette with her exceptional colt, Magnus, by Dennis Johnson's stallion, Torungen. Dennis, you should be very proud of this up-headed mischief-maker! He captivates everyone who sees him. Time to sign off for now - Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lots of luck Peg in the show. It takes a lot of effort to put that group together. Hope you are well rewarded for it all. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hei all - No, I have not died, and neither has Lisa Pederson. We just haven't been posting lately. She told me on the phone that she has been taking a break from her computer. My excuse is returning from Norway, having "horse weddings," [live and by proxy...], and entertaining a wonderful guest from Norway, Kjersti. We have been seeing the sights - yes there are sights in Ellensburg - meeting the other local Fjords and their humans, and doing lots of other horsie stuff. She is a delightful young woman who just spent a year at Nordfjordeid training with Fjord horses. Her year was up after the stallion evaluations and she is enjoying her first visit to the US. So far she has learned how a real American hamburger differs from one at McDonalds, how to ride a Quarter Horse with Western tack on a trail ride, and what real cowboys look like [no, they do not all live in Montana, Wyoming, Colorado and Texas]. I am hoping Kjersti will contribute to the Digest herself and give her perspective on our quaint American customs. She will only be here for about another month, and then will enter college in Norway in Medicine or Engineering. She is very good at giving informal lessons in the Norwegian language, too! Next weekend, she and one or two other friends will help me take Erlend and Sadie to their/my first All - Breed Show, with four judges. Both horses are entered in halter, Color Class, Open English Pleasure, and Senior [over six] English Pleasure. In addition, Himself is entered in Open Pleasure Driving. The same classes are held Saturday and Sunday, only under different judges. We will learn a lot, I am certain, including whether these judges know what to do with Fjords in the "Other Breeds" halter class. Wish us luck, please - our expectations are modest. The Entry Packets are about to go out for this year's Libby Show, Sept 13 - 15. I have a list of folks who have asked to be included, but if you haven't, and are not sure you will be on the "send" list, let me know by private email or phone. We are sending to PNFPG members and folks who entered last year's show. See the notice in the Events section of the NFHR web site for further info. Also let me know if you would like posters to put up locally. We have received one blank message from the Digest. Foal tally - owners have let me know of two colts and one filly so far. One of the colts, from a brown dun mom, is grey. Erlend has a lot of trouble with those cigars - he keeps trying to eat them That's all for now. Congratulations to all of you with new babies, wonderful successes, and just plain fun news. Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dave McW ~ Tee hee hee Laura ~ of course Fjords are magical creatures, I thought everyone knew that! Congrats on your new Flotren girl. Our sweet Flotren boy, Ari, leaves on the 16th to live with Sue Ennis in Michigan. She will be the perfect human for him, but will have to overcome the effects of my daily whisper to him, "She wanted you gelded, not me" [Just kidding, Sue] Julie is giving Flotren a lecture about making sure he sends only "filly" semen on our re-breeding this season. I will make new calendar pages for everyone who wants them. Please let me know privately if you do NOT want corrected pages. Then I will storm the Gates' mansion/compound and berate Bill for letting his company screw up like this. You notice I take no responsibility for having failed to check each month myself Well, it's sunny outside and there is NO WIND, so I'm off to hitch Fatso, er, I mean His Majesty, to the cart. We need to practice a lot, as the Draft Horse Expo is only a few days after I return from Norway. [Boy, am I dumb!] I need to shed some pounds myself if I am to fit into the Norwegian skirt I plan to wear driving in the demo, but at least I have shed my winter coat already. Bye now, Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all ~ Steve M. ~ your light bulb post was hilarious ~ and so true! Was it supposed to have something to do with other subjects on the Digest...? Just wondering. Also, should a person be concerned if called a "dim bulb"? Not that it's ever happened to me, of course. The gratuitous remarks I get usually have to do with mouths and duct tape... But I can still type, hee, hee.. Bye the way, you left out the 5 bad puns that result from changing the light blub. Baileys, your babies are soo sweet! You go, girls! Wish we could go to the Open show in Prineville. I admire your energy, Amy, and wish you the best of luck. I'm sure it will be a big success. For us, it's just a bit far, and the Draft Horse Expo the same weekend is so much closer. I'll really miss seeing Maggie McLaughlin from Bend, too. Have a ball, all! Deb T. ~ Your post on "First contact" was so typical for many of us. To see is to love, it seems. Linda L ~ I'll send you some stuff asap. Thanks for representing the breed at this event. We have another mini-blizzard going, and Doug has been stuck on the other side of the pass since yesterday afternoon. What's that song title ~ "When will I see you again...?" Bye ~ Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: "DT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am glad I posted my note. Very interesting information. I had read quite a lot about the use of horse manure for compost but wanted to know what some of you were doing. I will just keep doing what I am doing then. I have a pile that I add to daily. It is covered with a tarp so that the nitrogen won't go into the soil. I plan on turning it every month or so and then will put it in on of the other fields I have to sit when it is more decomposed. Bummer about the dude that drowned in the manure lagoon. You know that saying "shit happens" well..what a way to go. Peg, I am all to familiar with those Ellensburg winds. Out in the Badger Pocket area where I was living some guy burnt his field during a very strong winds. I didn't know what was going on and all of a sudden the place was engulfed in smoke. I evacuated the family and animals thinking a fire had gotten out of hand. You have to be careful out there. Congratulations on your new Fjord. You have some good looking Fjords out there. I remember seeing one of your foals that was trying to "hump" every living thing in site including his mom. Is that the one that you are having gelded? Deb
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - I haven't yet taken the opportunity to congratulate Cheryl B. on her big adventure driving through the night, all to promote the cause of Fjord-dom. Your willingness to get out there and try something new is amazing. Good for you! Hope to see you soon. And Lori A., if I ever get to be half as good a rider as you, I'll be astounded and delighted. Keep us posted [ro pun intended, there, honest] Doug has been reading up on his HTML, and is finding all sorts of fun things he can do to our web site. Music is the latest. Now it's just a matter of which Greig selections to put with each page. We'll be starting on the site for the PNFPG as soon as Dean Thomas sends me what he already has finished. Will keep you informed. Bye now from Ellensburg, where the snow on the roads melted 2 minutes before it all froze again, smooth as glass, wh! Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Some responses to the last Digest: Robyn - the next Libby Show will be held in Libby, Montana, near the Canadian border, on September 13-15, 2002. It is always tied to the dates of the town's Nordicfest celebration. I hope you can come, it has always been a wonderful show! Jane, I look forward to seeing you there someday too. Looks like we should definitely have the Unique Hitch class, but I still haven't heard that anyone plans to be in it. Next question - what about the Team Weight Pull - no entries last year...? Anneli - glad to hear from you again. You have a unique perspective and always have thoughtful posts. Good luck in solving the lameness puzzle. I, too, have had good results with equine accupressure and chiropractic treatments. Joel - "breeding for color" is something that has been detrimental to many breeds, when that was the only criterion for breeding. "Breeding for color," however, is not the same as trying to preserve the important characteristics of the Fjord breed, one of which is that the breed occurs in 5 types of dun coloration. I am sure your preference for "draft types" does not mean that you ignore temperament, soundness, other aspects of conformation, intelligence, or the other traits people are writing about in response to Vivian's question.. Neither does my interest in color ignore those characteristics. As I have stated before, color for me is important, given that "the basics" are already there. Some breeders may have different priorities. That is why we have the Evaluation program. Buyers or breeders can, if they wish, use the information as a valuable aid in choosing stock. There is no mention that I can think of in the Evaluation program of color, except in reference to white on the face and dun markings. Color choices come after the useful information from an Evaluation. Vivian - I am still working on your question. I think it's great and I am enjoying the responses. All those writing about pedigrees - YEAH! I'm excited about the future worldwide data base that I'm sure will come soon. And I wonder how DNA testing will be a part of this information - I'm sure it will, eventually. Arne Presthus expressed the hope that, before long, each country would accept the others' Evaluations. This would be a huge boon to breeders who import. Long-winded as usual - Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivian, > I can now tell you that we are at least going straight on our stiff > side and > both are actually becoming more supple every day. What type of exercises are you doing to accomplish this? Congratulations on the new (and final) foal! I'm glad it was an uneventful foaling season for you. Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
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This message is from: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List, Well our last foal arrived last night at a very civilized 8:45PM. Both Wes and Connor got to watch. The dam is a full sister to Marnix bred to Konggard and the baby is a filly. We are very happy with two fillies and a colt. "Waldo", "Willa" an "Winona". My new mares are home from Cornell and I've driven them 4 times single. These mares have never been driven single, nor had blinkers or breeching. Then ofcourse there is the language issue. They being Dutch and me being American. I was quite discouraged the first day I drove them as they had never been swapped on the pole and one only bent left the other only right. I can now tell you that we are at least going straight on our stiff side and both are actually becoming more supple every day. Not that we haven't had some rethinking issues, but I am now confident that if I take my time and am consistent I will have a great pair. Our fist outing will be the GMHA CDE at Prelim level where I'm also planning to drive Marnix Advanced. Marnix's dressage has been really wonderful this spring. We are just having fun with him, maybe some little ridden events and pleasure showing. Just so he can go out in public and remind everyone who the MAN really is! Next year he'll be back to a full schedule if he tells me that's what he wants to do. I could never handle this many horses without my daughter and son's help. Unfortunately they will both have to go back to school in early September so I am looking for a working student to come help out in August through the season, end of October. If anyone on the list knows someone who might be interested here is some info: We are primarily interested and involved in combined training and combined driving with some dressage and driven pleasure showing thrown in for good measure. We have 13 horses presently, but several are for sale so I am hoping this number will shrink. We are a very laid back family and have good accomodations and I would even be interested in two working students who could keep each other entertained. Sam husband and 16 yr.old daughter Wesley, 14 yr. old son Connor and myself, Vivian Creigh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call 802 885 5762
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This message is from: "Susan M Cargill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Utah Horse Expo - Lisa< I really enjoyed your comments about the Expo and Juli's Sunday reaction. I also has a wonderful mare, so broke my husband (who is not a horse person) could drive her anywhere (school buses, over-the- road tractor/trailers, nothing bothered her) until one day she spooked, kicked back with her hind legs, flipped the meadowbrook cart upside down (in doing so she broke a shaft) drug the cart down the driveway, turned into my neighbors drive and continued until a barbed wire fence stopped her. She must have sensed the fence because she stopped before hitting it. Everyone said I needed to hook her again and drive, well that was difficult because I didn't have a spare vehicle. Anyway, to make a long story short, I contacted Beth at Starfire Farm. I shipped the mare to her and she has been working with her through the winter. Beth has been making wonderful progress. (She has my permission to comment if she'd like to.) I'd like to thank Lisa for her openness, I've gone over and over what happened with this mare trying to find a reason for what happened and have not been able to do so - maybe it was just a bad day. Welcome, Jim and Mary Harvey I understand the knats - in Wisconsin we have sand knats which can be very nasty. In addition to the fjords, we also keep a large kitchen garden. Until we moved to Wisconsin the kitchen garden was always my responsibility, but when my husband showed an interest I quickly encouraged him to become more involved. I had no idea how involved he would become. Now, when we get together with Beth and Sandy at Starfire, Beth and I talk about fjords, and Jim and Sandy talk about vegetables. Hoof and Mouth Disease - Thank you Gail for your posting - I agree that its not very clear but they are doing "something" This is a very serious situation, Argentina just recently admitted that they had an outbreak and were trying to "keep it under wraps".This countries biggest concern was that it would enter through Texas which has the largest concentration of cattle, but it could come from anywhere. Our local international airport in Mpls requires anyone arriving from an infected country to have their shoes dis-infected - its a good start but what about persons who travel around Europe and leave from a non-infected location?? For those on the list that are doing the evaluator training in Norway - I wish you the best of luck and hopefully the F&M will not cause a cancellation of the event. Susan Cargill - Longtheway Farm
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This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peg, There is one for sale in my local paper in SAnta Rosa CA. Want me to send you the phone # if it is still there? It appeared in the last day or so. >Well, time to finish ordering my new Bob Marshall treeless saddle. > >Bye, > >Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA >http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/ > > > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve - your "Undulant Fever" sounds suspiciously like menopause to me. Does that give you men on the list pause? Sorry, couldn't help it. Lynda and Daniel - more congrats! Am eager to hear about her coloring and the new baby. We don't get one here until mid-April, but our neighbor, Bob Envick's Gromar daughter, will produce the first Erlend baby of the season is just 2 weeks. Of course I'm moving over there in a few days for the duration. This is his first Fjord baby and he has constructed the first velvet-lined, gold-plated, marbled ceiling foaling stall I have even seen. For bedding he plans to use shredded satin sheets. He also plays soothing Norwegian classical music over the intercom during the 5-minute intervals between his visits. The large screen TV in the stall features video of Mama Tullae winning classes at Libby. Bob, I know you're lurking, so I hope you enjoy this. The truth will out! Jon and Mary - don't fall into a drift - you won't be found until Spring. What day is that where you live, anyway? Where we used to live [Seattle environs] summer was either on August 12th or 17th I know you're all dying to hear more anecdotes... After their AM feeding, I let the herd, Silka, Suki, Sonny and The Goat, out to browse. Naturally, the first thing they all do is trot immediately into the other's paddock to check out whether any microscopic pieces of hay might have been overlooked. Then they snort in displeasure and amble out to dig in the snow for better pickings. When it's time for them to come back in, they all head for their own places [unless Sonny is acting like a two-year-old]. Clark the Goat, however, has decided that he's in charge of keeping Silka from coming into her paddock and greets her at the gate with lowered non-horns. He doesn't butt her, but he pushes on her chest with all his goat might to hold her back. She, of course, being the Irresistable Force, hardly notices and continues on her way in. He then may rear up with his front legs folded over and glare sideways at her. She, of course, pays no attention to this, either. Finally, Clark may stamp his foot fiercely, which, is guess, is supposed to scare the be_ out of her. He must be very frustrated at her total distain. She's not nearly the fun that Pepper was. It's a hoot to watch, though. Well, time to finish ordering my new Bob Marshall treeless saddle. Bye, Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Julie really is a real treasure...keep her in our thoughts.. -- >From: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com >Subject: Various >Date: Fri, Feb 16, 2001, 6:52 PM > >This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi all - > >Here we sit with our occasional snow furies, and I keep thinking of Julie >Will, who is baking in South Africa's sun right now with her personal guide, >Cheryl Beillard. Please continue to send Julie your kindest and most >supportive thoughts as she continues her struggle with cancer. She is one of >the strongest women I have ever met, and I've met a bunch! And after [out >of?] Africa, she and Darryl will head for Norway. Wow! > >We've been tearing our hair out here trying to get our latest Herald ad put >together on Pagemaker and Photoshop, and then I think of Julie and I feel a >whole lot less hassled. Sort of puts the right perspective on life. > >Today I got to canter again in my lesson on His Majesty, er, that is, I mean >Erlend. I just want to go forever! He, on the other hand, just wants to go >as far as the next pretty girl with a fetching pastern. > >Sadie is not quite great, but certainly good, with child, and is also >getting into fine shape. Think filly, audience! Let's see, "Flotrella?" >"Flotrenna?" I hate the waiting part! > >How 'bout those Viking's horses! Sorry Steve, I can't seem to let go of >it. > >bye for now - > >Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA >http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/ > > >
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Here we sit with our occasional snow furies, and I keep thinking of Julie Will, who is baking in South Africa's sun right now with her personal guide, Cheryl Beillard. Please continue to send Julie your kindest and most supportive thoughts as she continues her struggle with cancer. She is one of the strongest women I have ever met, and I've met a bunch! And after [out of?] Africa, she and Darryl will head for Norway. Wow! We've been tearing our hair out here trying to get our latest Herald ad put together on Pagemaker and Photoshop, and then I think of Julie and I feel a whole lot less hassled. Sort of puts the right perspective on life. Today I got to canter again in my lesson on His Majesty, er, that is, I mean Erlend. I just want to go forever! He, on the other hand, just wants to go as far as the next pretty girl with a fetching pastern. Sadie is not quite great, but certainly good, with child, and is also getting into fine shape. Think filly, audience! Let's see, "Flotrella?" "Flotrenna?" I hate the waiting part! How 'bout those Viking's horses! Sorry Steve, I can't seem to let go of it. bye for now - Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jon & Mary Ofjord wrote: > > I can only ask for mercy or duck quickly. > > Jon > > Just like the Vikings! > > Mark > Ugh! I'm doubled over and gasping for air on that one Mark. That was hitting below the belt. The forever faithful Viking fan, Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
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This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jon & Mary Ofjord wrote: > I can only ask for mercy or duck quickly. > > Jon Just like the Vikings! Mark
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This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Oh, and Steve White, How 'bout them Vikings? > >You haven't been talking with the Ofjords now have you? I'll get them >for that. > Steve, Your powers of deduction are amazing! I was going to confess my sin to you at Galena, but now that you know, I guess I should get ready for retribution. I can only ask for mercy or duck quickly. Jon
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peg, > Oh, and Steve White, How 'bout them Vikings? [private joke, > guaranteed > to elicit a response, I hear] I can hardly wait. > You haven't been talking with the Ofjords now have you? I'll get them for that. The Viking motto: "Well, there's always next year." Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Actually, Joel, mares that are a little fat conceive Better than those who are of medium weight or underweight, according to the Equine Reproductive Center at Fort Collins and the Reproductive Specialist vet who spoke here last week. This has been our experience too. Misha - I can always COUNT on you to give a weird and whacky answer to a perfectly sober and straightforward question Thank goodness! Brian - I must admit, I never suspected that you had such amazing fantasies - would you like to talk about it...? For you, a special fee... Thanks, Beth, I hope you can find the video of us gals with our wooden steeds. Oh, and Steve White, How 'bout them Vikings? [private joke, guaranteed to elicit a response, I hear] I can hardly wait. Yes, mares can be bred early, but they need to have been under lights [see NFHR publications on web site] for a while first. Mares vary, but they are undergoing what are called transitional heats in spring and fall, May - Aug are the prime months for breeding. Of course, this does not always fit our human plans, so it's a good thing for us that Tom Edison did all that work a while back. Doug and I are busy trying to learn our new Computer Torture programs, Page Maker 6.5 and Photoshop 6.0. AARGHH! Can this marriage be saved...?!!! I've therapized a lot of couples on the hazards of trying to dock a sailboat together, but now I see another hazard that's potentially even more threatening. Help! Does anyone know the story of the Gingham Dog and the Calico Cat...? Closing witty post now, Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:36 AM 2/7/01 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike - Yes, I confess that I am geographically challenged, among other challenges. However, I thought Julie told me that last year was the "V" year for Norway. All her foals were named with that letter. What do I know? I'm still new at all this. Give me a break, OK? Sheese! Sure what would you prefer arm or leg? ;-) Now don't go and miss my smiley up there! === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Knutsen Fjord Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi all - > > Another good use for hair is a "hair saddle." The > young woman who works with > my trainer is making one from all the shedding at > their place Evidently what you do is collect mass > amounts of horse hair, stuff > it in a burlap bag, and ride the bag all summer as > if it were a saddle. By > fall, it will be a saddle, perfectly fitted to you > and your horse. The hair > turns to felt. Haven't tried it myself, but it > sounds good. H. Sounds pretty SCRATCHY to me!! We used to have horsehair blankets to use in the wagon/sleigh in the winter(the only way to town in the winter when I was a small child was by horsedrawn wagon or sleigh). They were REALLY made of horsehair!! Warm, but VERY scratchy! Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> carol j makosky wrote: > He thinks all I need is a two horse one, > but little does he know I am going for something bigger to hold my cart too. > By > the way, I picked out my new truck 1st and then let him think that he gave the > final approval. You go girl! Beth -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO http://www.starfirefarm.com
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This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Knutsen Fjord Farm wrote: > This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi all - > > Another good use for hair is a "hair saddle." The young woman who works with > my trainer is making one from all the shedding at their place You won't believe this, but I read about this in the book "My Friend Flicka" years and years and years ago. > > > On a different note, how do all you folks get away with this secret buying > of horses, houses, etc? Tell me your methods, and I may be able to join your > ranks! WELL You start out small. I started with an Explorer (one of those dangerous SUVs) Then I bought a truck for my daughter's 1st vehicle. Then I behaved myself for awhile and then went big time to buy my horse. Carole R. at BDF had a part in that crime. The best part was my husband had to put up a Menard's instant lawn building the week before deer hunting, when he had planned to be scouting. Then about a year later, I did the house. You should have seen the look on his face when he was sitting in the living room of this house that he thought the kids had rented and I told him we owned it. The secret is I ended up in life holding the purse strings on our finances. So, I do as I wish. Besides my other half is the worlds expert procrastinator, and I am not. Next is when I buy a horse trailer. He thinks all I need is a two horse one, but little does he know I am going for something bigger to hold my cart too. By the way, I picked out my new truck 1st and then let him think that he gave the final approval. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike - Yes, I confess that I am geographically challenged, among other challenges. However, I thought Julie told me that last year was the "V" year for Norway. All her foals were named with that letter. What do I know? I'm still new at all this. Give me a break, OK? Sheese! You too, Misha. I didn't shout in my vet's office that he'd forgotten his rubber vagina, I shouted that he'd left his vagina at our place. That's much more refined, don't you think...? Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Another good use for hair is a "hair saddle." The young woman who works with my trainer is making one from all the shedding at their place - Erlend and Sadie, of course, are the most generous contributors [the only Fjords there]. Evidently what you do is collect mass amounts of horse hair, stuff it in a burlap bag, and ride the bag all summer as if it were a saddle. By fall, it will be a saddle, perfectly fitted to you and your horse. The hair turns to felt. Haven't tried it myself, but it sounds good. On a different note, how do all you folks get away with this secret buying of horses, houses, etc? Tell me your methods, and I may be able to join your ranks! Even though I haven't committed this crime on a scale larger than a few items from the Land's End catalog, I think Doug suspects that I might. This is probably the real reason he is going along to Norway - this "searching out long-lost family members" and "Evaluator Auditing" stuff is probably just a ruse... I'm sure he just wants custody of the check book while we're there... Also, in regarding to vaccinations and de-worming. I have referred those who contacted me privately to my trainer, who runs an Animal Rehab Center, and has the respect of the good vets hereabouts, because they have seen her results. She can give much better information than I, but, naturally, doesn't want to be posted "at large" on the Digest. Sorry if what I wrote seemed like a "teaser" that I didn't follow up on. And no, Steve, I haven't stopped vaccinating entirely, I'm just trying, with the help of vet and trainer, to arrive at the most conservative approach consistent with our situation - showing, visiting mares, live cover, freezing, etc. Will send another post re: stallions and guarantees rather than extend this one. Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cynthia-- Sunday, January 28, 2001, you wrote: > Tank has been a solo horse since I bought him at 2 1/2. He doesn't > seem to mind. Tank is not really a solo horse, just a solo Fjord. He has always had no fewer than four and as many as twenty other horse to interact with. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA People may talk of first love--but give me the flush, and triumph, and glorious sweat of a first ride. --George Borrow(1803-1881)
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This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] RE: Solo Fjords Tank has been a solo horse since I bought him at 2 1/2. He doesn't seem to mind. However, whenever he does meet another Fjord, it is instant recognition. Steve was telling me that when he unloaded Tank at the show in Des Moines last September, the other Fjords all greeted him. It was pitch black and yet they all knew a Fjord had arrived. He was acquainted with some of them, but even the strangers greeted him and he greeted them back. Unloading the Morgan in the same circumstances, his arrival was totally ignored! I love it at Blue Earth, watching all the Fjords get in their corners and nose talk to each other obviously catching up on the news. RE: Testicles and Teeth Tank went to sleep one afternoon and woke up sans testicles. He appears to have never missed them! He still has his teeth. RE: Steve W.'s age: Steve, The first time we met you (actually Steve did), we were so grateful that you saved our part-trakhener's mare's life that your age never came into question! Actually, you are the age I thought you must be. How tactful of you not to say anything about mine! I still feel 35! Hi Brian, nice to hear from you! I have noticed that the age discussion brought out a lot of lurkers. That;'s great! Cynthia Madden email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Wesley and I have been trying to think up a suitable "bimboish" name > for the phantom. Anyone on the list have any good ideas? How about "Fanny"? or perhaps "Fanny Mae"? Lori A.
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phantom name Minnie Rouse Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Wesley and I have been trying to think up a suitable "bimboish" name > for the phantom. Anyone on the list have any good ideas? ;-) My vet named his after his mother-in-lawcan't remember her name, tho. -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO http://www.starfirefarm.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/19/00 2:16:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Definitely have to train Erlend to a dummy now that his favorite surrogate, Pepper, has left. Also have to put some thought into the appearance of the "dummy." One breeder told me that she has to caution people who wear a certain color around her stallion >> Peg, The first year I owned Marnix He attempted to mount the hood of our lawn tractor after deciding that it was the right shape. I was standing there holding him, talking to my daughter who was sitting on the seat of the tractor when I realized he was getting a little puffed up and starting to gently elavate his front end trying decide just how to approach this new phantom. Then in the winter I was standing in the barn next to my sleigh which was covered with an old cooler when he tried to mount the back of the sleigh from the side. I'm sure the aroma of the cooler was the guiding force behind his lust. Now he has his very own phantom and is very happy with "her". She is always exactly where he left her last, doesn't kick or move and is always receptive. We covered all the mares AI in 2000 and both Marnix and I are much happier with this arrangement. I don't even put a mare in the tease chute anymore as by the time he's been washed he knows the drill and was always going to the mount anyway and ignoring the mare in the chute, ususlly much to the mares dismay. The Colorado Mount is the best because I can collect all by myself. I attended a repro clinic in Middlebury VT several years ago. They even let us inseminate mares with water to practice. I found the whole thing incredibly interesting as it appealed to the latent scientist lurking within. Marnix's whole demeanor at shows last year was incredibly layed back because he knew his real true love was in the paddock at the back of the barn waiting for him. Wesley and I have been trying to think up a suitable "bimboish" name for the phantom. Anyone on the list have any good ideas? We are expecting 8 inches of snow tonight which is great because I need a Christmas card picture immediately and also some snow to cover the sheet ice covering all my pastures and paddocks. Both my littles are out of school so now the season has begun in earnest..Merry Christmas to AllVivian Creigh
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Lori - I loved your photos of Prisco and you having your lesson. I've always loved his movement and am very glad he went to someone who will get the utmost out of him. I was sorry to see him gelded, but it was the right decision. Have a ball, girl! Fred - so sorry about those late child-support payments for Pep and S'Willie. You know how it is when one has to decide priorities - Mazatlan won. [Have I mentioned that we went to Mazatlan?] Besides, why quibble about payments when you've adopted Doug and me into your family? Isn't there a saying, "Blood is thicker than money"? Love all the snow stories. We have more predicted, but don't expect to have to deal with the amounts you all are. May have to in Colorado, when I go to the AI seminar after the first of the year. [Everything you ever wanted to know about horse sex and more...] Definitely have to train Erlend to a dummy now that his favorite surrogate, Pepper, has left. Also have to put some thought into the appearance of the "dummy." One breeder told me that she has to caution people who wear a certain color around her stallion More snow predicted here, but it hasn't shown up yet. Back to the cookie factory. Peg Knutsen http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve I was wondering if you were still in charge of this thundering herd. Good luck in Libby. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Did > Tordin get a big kiss, Steve? > You betcha! A big sloppy one right on the nose as well as some extra carrot treats. Thanks for the plug Steve. We had a blast. Amy and I are hooked on this CDE stuff now. I hope the horses are too. Have a good and safe trip to Libby. Take lots of pictures for us to see. Steve White Waterloo, NE
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This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> First off, I would like to make a comment about several folks who have offered horses for sale on the list recently. It is perfectly OK to offer horses, tack or anything else related to horse for sale here, however it would make it easier for people to decide whether or not to contact you, if you would include your location in your signature block. I might want to check out a horse for sale in Iowa, where I would pass on one in California because of the relative distances. Cynthia and I will be leaving tomorrow, with an eventual destination of Libby. I'm looking forward to seeing the western folks again this year. I notice that Steve White has posted a couple of messages today, but has not bothered to brag. He deserves to, as he and Tordin placed first in a one day driving event sponsored by the Eastern Nebraska Driving Society yesterday. This despite 100+ degree heat index. Did Tordin get a big kiss, Steve? -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA It's never the horse, it's always the rider. --Old Cavalry Adage
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Knutsen Fjord Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > When Bob Van Bon visited last year, he demonstrated, > at Anne Appleby's, a > different way to finish out the mane at the poll. > The mane was cut with no > notch or bridle path, but rather tapered down to > nothing where the bridle > bath would be. The bridle strap rests on the > beginning of the forelock. This is the way I cut our Fjords' manes. It was the way I saw the manes cut when we first had Fjords. It also eliminates having to guess how wide to make the bridle notch, plus they do not look like part of their mane is sticking up wrong when they don't have a halter or bridle on. The mane just "flows" right into the forelock. You let the forelock grown from behind the ears, instead of from between them. This gives you a bit more forelock, but that shouldn't be a problem. On those few Fjords that seem to have a "scrimpy" forlock which won't grow out it seems that the hair further back - behind the ears - grows better, and longer, than the hair right above their eyes. In the case of my husband's gelding, I think it's because he has a whorl right in the center of his forelock which makes the hair grow every which way. It always looks like he has a knot in the center of his forelock, which he does not. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Michelle, your stories about Fj are great! He did exactly what Pepper did a year ago, except for her it was "a dark and story night..." You are so clever to realize that sheds do not nicker! I wish ours had nickered that night - it would have been a big help. I suspect she didn't want to give herself away. Re: cutting manes - the suggestion about Fiskar shears is wonderful. I've been using the Fiskar scissors, because I have arthritis in my thumbs, but the shears will be much better. I tell people that, after almost 3 years, I've become good at two things; mane cutting and manure picking. Actually, I'm really best with the manure. I cut much the way the web site described, leaving a bridle path. When Bob Van Bon visited last year, he demonstrated, at Anne Appleby's, a different way to finish out the mane at the poll. The mane was cut with no notch or bridle path, but rather tapered down to nothing where the bridle bath would be. The bridle strap rests on the beginning of the forelock. The final two inches of taper are cut with the scissors sideways, that is, across, not down, the mane. It looked very nice. Re: Step-in posts and electrical tape. I know it works well for a lot of folks. Most of our Fjords, however, say the horse equivalent of, "Ha, I spit on your feelthy fence," and walk right through. They will stay in if the grass is greener on their side, but you know how that goes Re: guys and their giant Tonka toys - Doug's long sought-after used Kubota arrived this week [gal question - do they call these "Botas," ala "Beamers" and "Burus"?]. He's constantly on it, looking for things to move with the loader. Our manure pile has a "new look", chips are easy to move now, etc. It's sort of like when I paint, anything that's not moving better watch out! Doug is also delighted to have discovered that Rocky seems to like Vivaldi as much as he does. Re: kissing horses - We both do that at lot, but never when the horses are wearing chap stick. We always check. Peg Knutsen, Knutsen Fjord Farm in Ellensburg, where our piddly little offering of snow has melted. How is Doug going to get to play with his plow blade...?
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi list - Brian J, good for you for getting those "gelding-hoarders" to 'fess up. Sounds like some good geldings are out there. I also split one tube of Quest between Giant Yearling Filly and Horny Little Colt, but my stuff is still in disarray from the move and I couldn't locate the weight tape, so I guestimated the amounts. Sonny is still rubbing his tail on the stable a lot, so I wonder whether he got sufficient wormer. I, and perhaps others, would appreciate a refresher on looking for worm evidence in fresh stools [yuck!]. Would you be willing to enlighten? The "flood waters" are receding in our household, and it looks like we're going to be able to keep our heads above water after all. Losing my dad and Doug's mom in 2 months has taken a real toll! But now it's looking like we may be able to start really moving in to our "barn" house and do things like replace the huge sliding garage door [attractive as it is...] at the end of our living room with glass windows that you can see through! Of course, the horse accommodations come first. In spite of everything, Doug has managed to finish the stable and fencing arrangements for Erlend and Suki, who arrive TOMORROW! Who me, excited?! I've done my part by finding ways to spend lots of money on new tack, breeding hobbles, mounting block, waterers, etc. In my third year of Fjordness, I finally have a horse I can ride regularly! And another who'll be 3 in October and we can start. Now, if only I knew as much about riding and driving as the horses Working on it, wish me luck. Also, I'm sending out the Libby flyers. If you don't get any, and would be willing to circulate some in your area, contact me. It looks like another fun show this year - hope you all are coming! Putting on one of my other hats, the Psychotherapist one, all the suggestions regarding canter fears [I'm not sure I'd call them phobias, but rather natural reactions to traumatic situations] sound good to me. The basics for dealing with any fear include normalizing it [it's a regular thing lots of folks deal with], and providing safe conditions for working on problem-solving. Safety comes from lots of areas, many of which have been mentioned already. One I'd like to add is No Pushing! Some people tend to put themselves down for having fears, and think of problem solving in terms of "overcoming weakness," or "doing battle," with their fears. "No pain, no gain..." I believe that, given safe enough conditions, the protective reactions [defenses like fear and avoidance] anyone has had to earlier difficult situations will no longer be needed, freeing the person to naturally achieve his/her goal with support, encouragement, and information. Fear is an important signal, and should not be ignored. Most of the suggestions offered came from this perspective. Move up to, but not beyond, the point where the scare kicks in, and work there patiently and non-critically until someone has figured out the key to making the next step "safe" to the rider. No rush! If this sounds suspiciously like the way to work with kids and/or horses, it should. Oops, loooks like I also put on my Teacher and Trainer hats, I do get carried away with this stuff. Please excuse. Now all I have to do it let all this good information become second nature to me while working with my horses, rather than having to think about it all the time. Oh well, Erlend is coming, and all is well. Expectantly, Peg Knutsen
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As long as you are gooing to the coast Peg you should also try our gooeyducks. Thats a clam you know. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Knutsen Fjord Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 5:17 AM Subject: Various >This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi list - > >I've been enjoying the discussion about halters. Monday Betsy Billeter >and I are gooing to "the coast" [that's what they call Western >Washington over here] to shop for used tack and such. Sonny has
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi list - I've been enjoying the discussion about halters. Monday Betsy Billeter and I are gooing to "the coast" [that's what they call Western Washington over here] to shop for used tack and such. Sonny has been microchipped [he wasn't pleased] and brand-inspected, and now all of us are ready for Libby. [Well, maybe a little training on each of the four I'm bringing might help...and on me] We did find a nice '96 Sooner aluminum 4-horse slant-load trailer. I hope we never have to buy another trailer for the rest of our born days! One item we still need is a black-trimmed driving cart. If anyone nearby has one for sale, let me know. We love it here in Ellensburg with all the sunshine [and no slugs]. The irrigation ditches are a real challenge, but Doug seems to have a pretty good time in his overalls routing and re-routing the water. Sonny loves the ditches - he walks up and down them, knee deep in water, grazing on both banks like a little water buffalo. I'll have to take some video. I want to thank everyone for their input on barns and fencing, it was all helpful. We're rushing around trying to get ready for Erlend and Suki next week. What an adventure! More later - Peg Knutsen
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Anne R - Felicitations! You mentioned that the baby wasn't a foal, but I suspect that there may have been moments when he seemed that big Gayle et al on Fjord smarts - I'm in total agreement [as is my vet] about their intelligence and how it can help or hinder. Had the same challenge while field-trialing Golden Retrievers - my trainer was constantly impressed and would lay awake nights trying to figure out how to stay ahead of them. As a relative newcomer to horsekeeping [and as a geriatric soccer player whose joints are held together with bailing wire and twine after 25 years of playing] I've really had my hands full with our little herd. I've found it difficult to be consistent with the ground manners, partly from ignorance, partly from learning horse language slowly, and partly from puny physical strength. Hampered by the family myth [Peggy is so good with animals] and by naivete, I've been learning way too many lessons in humility. I hate that! I'm very happy with our breeding program so far [thanks to help from Shives, Unraus, Will, Jacobsen, Jensens, Ware, Hipsley, Lamb, Johnsons, all the Equitana crew, Tinkerbell, etc] All have been patient and generous with their time. And the Digest, of course! It has become clear that Doug and I are too green to keep a stallion at home right now, and are currently deciding among gelding, selling, and boarding. It also has become clear we all are working and playing with a fantastic breed! I hope they think as well of us Julia - Yes, we see many more Eagles out here, but that doesn't keep us from being thrilled and fascinated! It's going to be interesting to move to an area where the perspective on those big birds has to do with calves, lambs, chickens, and cats. Good thing I speak Eastern Washington. Re: Lipizzans - thanks for the info on how to send aid. Another kind of genocide! Brian - another great post. Watch out, I'm about to call you and pester you again Move - After April 13, our snail mail address will be: 2160 Cove Road, Ellensburg, WA 98926 - don't have phone# or email there yet. Am quite apprehensive about moving Silka away from our vet with barely a month to go before foaling [if she chooses to wait that long]. The trailer ride is only about 3 hours, but I don't like it. Any opinions, support, advice? [what a silly question to put to this group, which brims over with opinions, support, and advice] Bye for now. Peg Knutsen, Knutsen Fjord Farms - still in Kingston for a few weeks.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boy is this going to upset alot of the anals among us. I have never been in attendance to a birth of 7 foals on my place. My mares foal in the pasture, usually in the morning. I am lucky enough to have room to not need 12 x12 box stalls. Actually I missed the last foal as a cougar got it before I saw it. I am of the opinion that the more weird things one does to one's horses the weirder( is that a word?) the horses become. I'm in the process of building a barn. It certainly will not be for the horses. Years ago I built a shelter for my yearling stud. He's 11 now. The only way he would go in it is if I fed him there. When he was finished eating he went back outside & stood next to it. It blew over once & I set it back up. The next time it blew over it went over the fence so I tore it down. I should add that I live in the Columbia River Gorge in N. Central Oregon. Winds of 60 mph are not uncommon. I don't have lots of foals because I can't afford to keep lots of mares. Anything on the place has to be able to be used in a hitch farming or logging. The young ones are exempt at least until they are 3. I wish I could afford to keep lots of brood mares but it isn't possible. I wish I had 17 outside mares lined up for breeding but I don't advertise & I'm not interested in dealing with other people's ill mannered mares. Different subject. I am seeing lots of mail that makes me feel like I'm listening in on someone else's conversation. I respectfully ask all of us to think before we send what appears to be private e-mail through the chat line. I have to agree with Dave McWethy, I scroll judiciously when reading this list. I ask all of us to think is what we are posting of interest to all. If it isn't please send it privately. To all of those that responded to my comments about constructive subjects - thank you for your support. I heartily agree about the myths that have been perpetuated about easy going fjords. I feel it has created alot of useless fjord horses ( NO one keeps a pony, right?) out there. Fjords are alot like mules & I'm personally not smart enough to deal with mules. The following is an advertisement. Looks like I'll be selling a team of mares at the SJF auction in Apr. It is located in Redmond OR & is the 3rd weekend of Apr. These mares do anything you want to do. It is kind of hard as they are 1/2 of my 4 horse farm team but I'm wanting to change bloodlines & I like my stallion so I'll change out the mares instead of him since testosterone rules. That should aggravate lots of you. Take a number! Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Additionally, Mary mentioned having annual physical exams performed. I > don't know if Mary is a breeder, but here again, if you've found an > owner/breeder who does this, you've found one who takes good care of > their horses. In answer to Brian's question: No, we no longer breed Fjords, but we did for over 10 years. Just a small operation, two mares a year at the most. I learned about annual exams for my horses many years ago while I was still in high school and worked part time for the "local" vet. He came to town two days a month from his practice 100 miles away because our area had no vet. And yes we did have foal exams on all our foals - its kind of like "well baby checkups" - why would you leave them out? Isn't the idea to produce healthy animals and keep them that way? How on earth would you know if everything is "right" with that new foal if you didn't have him checked out after he was born, and again 12 hours later to be sure he absorbed those antibodies? Thanks Brian for sharing your knowledge on the list. It really is helpful, and makes you stop and think things through again every once in a while. Mary == Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the supportive posts in reply to my reasons for using the veterinarian have been very encouraging! Glad to hear there are so many of you that do utilize your veterinarian for these things. I wanted to reply to a few specific things that were said/asked: DeeAnna Weed wrote... >"I hope this story is a example of why a layperson might reasonably give >shots under the supervision of a competent vet -- but I am interested in >your perspective of this situation. What do you think?" I too show clients how to properly give shots in cases where their horse needs penicillin or Naxcel, etc. Don't have any problem with it. I just hope they realize that just because they have given penicillin for a week doesn't mean they are experts. Julie Will wrote that, although she gives her own vaccinations and dewormers, she uses the veterinarian for "rabies shots, pregnancy exams, coggins, health certificates, new foal exams, as well as illness and accident care" and Mary Thurman wrote similarly "My vet does not mind that I do my own shots and worming, because he does all the other stuff - teeth, twice yearly Coggins tests, sheath cleaning, fecal cultures, rabies shots, (plus all the preg checks, uterine biopsies, etc that went along with breeding). Every fall we have our "annual checkup" (teeth, lungs, heart, temperature,etc.) for all our horses." I had singled out vaccinations because it seems in our practice that the clients who want to give their own vaccinations try to get by with the absolute minimum of veterinary help. Julie and Mary are obviously exceptions to that rule. Incidently, here's a tip for those considering purchasing a Fjord (or any horse); If you find a breeder who has the veterinarian perform "new foal exams" as Julie mentioned, you can be pretty sure you are dealing with a quality breeder. It's not uncommon that owners of one or two mares will have the new foal exam performed, but breeders often want to cut this out to keep expenses lower. When you find a breeder who does it, you've most likely found a breeder who takes very good care of his/her horses. Additionally, Mary mentioned having annual physical exams performed. I don't know if Mary is a breeder, but here again, if you've found an owner/breeder who does this, you've found one who takes good care of their horses. Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina
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This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There have been several interesting topics lately and I can't stand it anymore so here is my say so (again!) Mouthiness - we are always highly entertained at Blue Earth watching the Fjords talk to each other in their stalls. They gather in the corner and nose talk. I don't think Fjords can help it - they are just that way. It can get irritating sometimes. I have used chile powder to some effect to get Tank to stop chewing on his lead but then he developed a taste for it. There is an article by Irene Graves on this subject in the Summer 1996 Herald, page 44, with a picture of Tank holding a curry comb in his mouth. If this is not available to some newer folks, send me your address and I will send you a copy. Spurs and Whips - Both are useful aids when judiciously applied and I find them so especially with dull sided Tank. Nothing should be overused and one aid reinforcing the other prevents that. I am finding it curious that everyone has been referring to "crops." My definition of a crop is a fairly short whip (16" to 24") normally used on the shoulder. I much prefer a dressage whip, 42" or 47" long used behind your leg. This encourages the back end to move forward. I almost always carry the dressage whip, but use spurs specifically when I am schooling. Otherwise I am constantly thumping him with my heels to little avail and I don't want him ignoring me. A touch of spur or whip prevents that. He reacts without panic, but he reacts immediately. There is no real reason anyone cannot use a dressage whip even if riding western. It is a most useful schooling tool. I also find it useful to display my whip when Tank insists on being rude and voice commands fail to work. All I have to do is show it to him or gently tap him on the sides and he is all attention. I must be careful to place it, though, where he can't reach it with his mouth! Ah! wintering water problems - the stories make me glad I board. We do check to make sure adequate water is always available but all we have to do when it isn't is complain to some other poor soul to take care of it. One of the few advantages of boarding! >From very cold Nebraska! Cynthia Madden mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Omaha, Nebraska USA
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) >This message is from: Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >I also think that it is important keep in touch with what is current >within the European market. If looking at the US warmblood market is any >indication, there is future potential for a sales market for our horses >in Europe. Therefore, I think that it would be important to maintain >our European connection with the "experts" from Holland, Norway, etc. I quite agree, but my information re the demand for US warmbloods market in Europe is because of the use of our thoroughbreds in cross breeding to take the heaviness out of the big beasties. That was how my thoroughbred mare, at 15.2 hands won over ponderous ladies of the Holstein breed in front of three European judge/evaluators. Are we going to add thoroughbred blood to our fjörds or just have such great lineage Europeans will want them? Jean Gayle Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
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This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:42 AM 11/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I understand that there is an >NFHR Versatility Award (the details were published in the Summer 1996 >Fjord Herald.) We need to make more of this. Perhaps one issue of the Yes there is a "Versatility Award" as well as an "Award of Excellence" I have been trying to get the info for each of them posted on the web site. Unfortunately all of the information isn't in an electronic format (yet). If any of you would like information on these programs the people to contact about them are: Excellence award - Karen Cabic - email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Versatility Award - Becky Mayer - Check your roster for her phone number or email me privately. She doesn't have a listed email address yet. Mike
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This message is from: Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hope everyone on the list had a nice holiday. Personally, I ate too much (ufta!), but enjoyed every bite! I now need to work this off! Look out ponies! Regarding evaluations; A number of good ideas have been shared and passed along to the BOD by (I hope I'm correct) Julie, Nancy and Mike. I, for one, appreciate the time that they take to review the subjects discussed on the list, and for being willing to pass the info along. I agree that there should be a "learner judge" or "learner evaluator" system created. The people on whom we currently rely upon for our evaluations will not always be there, for whatever reason. I think that it is important to plan for the future. I also think that breeders should be capable of being evaluators. People who have the breed's best interest in mind, who are willing to cull their own herd when necessary, and who have the ability to appreciate the competition's herd, should be capable of fairly, and in an unbiased manner, judge a horse's potential for breeding. I also think that it is important keep in touch with what is current within the European market. If looking at the US warmblood market is any indication, there is future potential for a sales market for our horses in Europe. Therefore, I think that it would be important to maintain our European connection with the "experts" from Holland, Norway, etc. One way to maintain that connection would be to, from time to time, invite those experts (who evaluate hundreds of horses each year) to help refresh the evaluation process in North America. Just another addition to the system of "checks and balances" mentioned in an earlier post. With the world market as it is, it would be foolish to try to operate in a vacuum. For you "for fun" folks (why else would you want a Fjord, anyway?) You are the backbone of the market! Much discussion has been made regarding incentive programs. It's time for the NFHR to become more aggressive in providing incentive programs (such as mentioned in past posts - offered by the AQHA and the AMHA.) These incentive programs do a lot more than add a pretty plaque on your wall, they help promote the breed by encouraging the "for fun" folks to get their horses out in public in lots of different venues. This, ultimately, benefits the breeders! I, as a future breeder, would be willing to pay an extra fee to the NFHR for some type of promotion, whether it be a video tape, brochures, funding a promotional event, whatever. I understand that there is an NFHR Versatility Award (the details were published in the Summer 1996 Fjord Herald.) We need to make more of this. Perhaps one issue of the Herald each year could be devoted to the non-breeding members of the NFHR? Any other suggestions? Keep up the discussion. Beth Starfire Farm in dry today, wet tomorrow, Colorado.
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This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Marcy, I loved your report on Equine Affairs. I wish it weren't so far from Nebraska! Dolph & Brook - welcome to the list! Julia - is there anything you can report from the NFHR board meeting last week about the issues brought up on the list? Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs & Research University of Nebraska at Omaha E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Casey, The horse at Blue Earth in the single horse pulled stoppd at 1,500 pounds when the other remaining horse couldn't pull anymore. The horse that won was one of Hotovy's and they usually do very well in pulling. I believe he could have pulled more - it look pretty effortless to me. Anita and Orvile, WE ARE GLAD YOU ARE HOME! Sounds like you a great experience. Brian, Loved your message about appreciating your horses. Kone Kilar, You are a horse with a great sense of humor and a danger to Konedom. Mike, Keep up the good jokes! Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs & Research University of Nebraska at Omaha E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Tank and I had a meeting of the minds - literally this weekend and I'm trying to explain a black eye at work this morning. People look askance when you say you ran into a horse! We were trail riding and Steve was ahead of me. Tank decided he didn't like being behind just at the moment we were going under a low branch. He bucked while I was learning forward and then threw his head back and bang - my black eye! I guess I have to take back what I said about Tank not being herd bound and he knows how to pick his moments. Since we have been schooling a lot more this summer (now that we have a place to school) I am wondering if losing last year to do any schooling has anything to do with some of his behavior recently? I have been schooling (with our bad weather rarely more than once or twice a week and never over 45 minutes (if that long). I don't think I have been overdoing it, but I have been more insistant with him about doing things the way I think they should be done. He is six this year and I have a feeling he wouldn't be as resistant if we had worked more seriously last year. I am having a real problem with him going forward - it is push, push. I don't like using the whip (when driving) overly and Steve tells me (after his Bill Long camp) that I shouldn't be so loud with him (walk on - darn it!). I am trying to use the whip less but more firmly and will try not to get too loud. Your suggestions welcome. I was drooling over a Smucker's catalog last night and saw some 5.5 and 6" western bits if whoever (sorry, I can't remember who) is still looking. Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs & Research University of Nebraska at Omaha EAB 202, 6001 Dodge Street, Omaha, NE 68182-0210 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Saskia, Congratulations on going for Flor! He will be happy to be outside more and he will know how much he is adored by you! Don't worry about him! Marge and Asta, We hope for a good recovery for Asta. Thanks for your support about Tank. Your story makes me more vigilant than ever about watching his weight and ensuring he doesn't founder. Herd Bound Tank left his fjord herd when he was two. After being gelded, he was introduced to his new herd of which three of the horses were ours. He was treated as a new horse and took his blows, but always came right back. He never thought he was the bottom horse. He just became Pferd's horse (Steve's Morgan) - and Pferd is always boss. He is little bound to Pferd because they travel together to driving shows and clinics. When I took him up to the Sandhills for trail riding by himself last summer, he adopted another horse from his home herd who was there and did not like to lose him, but cooperated with me when he did. Another horse there was thought to be the meanest big boss around, but when he threatened Tank, Tank just wheeled around and got him a good one in the ribs and that was that. Tank has never had a self-mage problem. He just expects other horses (and people) to like him and does not recognize any other messages. We just introduced our foursome to a new herd and the intro was relatively peaceful. Our four stuck together into a separate herd for a few days and just integrated into the new herd gradually. There was minimal bickering. Four of them together means they don't get picked on. They just gang up. Of course, now Tank is in the diet corral with a llama, yearling and old pony and he is the boss. (I'm not sure exactly how the llama sees his position - I think it is mutual respect). However, when we go to Blue Earth, we always get a kick out of seeing how the Fjords greet each other and "nose talk." It is like a reunion and they seem glad to meet each other. Tank is looking forward to seeing Petra (and Sue) this year. When Steve and I drive together, Tank does not like to lose sight of Pferd, but we are working on this! Last night he gave a little buck (you know, typical Fjord effort) when I wouldn't let him catch up, but I will not put up with this. The advantage of going out with Pferd is that Tank keeps up a good pace which means he gets good exercise. When we go out alone, I have to push him a lot more. >From Nebraska, where last night we a great weather for driving and we deserved it! Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs & Research University of Nebraska at Omaha EAB 202, 6001 Dodge Street, Omaha, NE 68182-0210 Phone: (402) 554-2286 FAX: (402) 554-3698 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome, Annelli to the list. I am sure you will have some good information for us. I am paticularly interested in anything unique to training Fjords in dressage. Tank is in the diet corral and doing well. He has lost some weight. He gets alfalfa hay to eat which is still richer than he needs, but it is not as rich as the current grass situation. He spends the night in a small corral with no food and his days in a larger area shared with Jack the Arabian colt, Sonny the lllama and Grandma the 35 year old pony. Jack is so happy to have a male role model (An Arab adopting a Fjord, this should be interesting to Jack's development!) This arrangement is still tentative and the farm manager (who is not a horseperson) is not happy with a pasture horse being in a dry lot. But my vet is cooperative and the horse manager knows the situation and will try to keep him there as long as he needs. Marge, I am really interested in seeing your cart design. Can you share a picture with us? It sounds wonderful. It is certainly more in my price range than most I hear about. I like my country cart's simplicity and weight, but I have now had enough experience to want a few other amenities and something a little more suitable and safe for what will probably be our infrequent ventures into CDE's. I love my Orthoflex dresseur and highly recommend it for Fjords. It is an excellent trail riding saddle and very comfortable and I can switch it from horse to horse with no problem. I think it needs to be more strongly emphasized that the saddles are designed with the rider's size and weight as primary factors. Steve being larger than I, our saddles are not useable by each other. (Steve has a modified American outback, sort of Austrailian, but without the pollies). The panels are sized by the rider's weight. Their theory of using the panels to more evenly distribute the rider's weight is what makes the saddle more comfortable for the horse and frees the horses shoulders up for easier movement in a really remarkable way. Your weight sits on the tree bars in most other saddles which puts most of your weight on their withers and shoulders. The Orthoflex panels spread to accomodate the horses wifhers (or lack of them, in the case of Fjords). You use pads that fits inside the booties (saddle pad) to fit horses with uneven withers or other fitting problems. This makes the saddle very flexible for use on a variety of horses. The Blue Earth show information came on Saturday. Who's not going? Does anyone know who will be judging this year? (Sharon, can you give us an answer?) Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs & Research University of Nebraska at Omaha EAB 202, 6001 Dodge Street, Omaha, NE 68182-0210 Phone: (402) 554-2286 FAX: (402) 554-3698 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: Getting Fjords to cross water. Tank will follow another horse through water and cross the same puddle once he has been through it, but will not cross the next one he sees by himself! I'm afraid I was losing my temper with him yesterday and we got into fights. I lost. Now I need to recover my dignity. Give me some advice on getting them to cross water. First, be very aware of what you are teaching your horse. If you get mad and lose your temper, your horse is learning that, in the presence of puddles, you will get mad and punish him. He does not know that you are mad because he isn't crossing the puddle! Several good methods have been suggested already. I would suggest that you start with ground work with your horse, using the horsemanship method that suits you, whether it be Buck Brannaman (Ray Hunt, Tom Dorrance, etc.), Parelli, Linda Tellington Jones, whatever. You must be comfortable with the method enough not to send mixed messages to your horse. Then work on having your horse approach the puddle and reward every little try. This means that, if the horse simply shifts his weight towards the direction you want him to go, stop and reward him lavishly! You are working on establishing trust between you and your horse, which is something you need to reestablish after your last "lesson" with the puddle. You don't need to get across the puddle to win. Simply walking up to it without the horse worrying about it would be success enough for one day. You can continue on the next day. Listen to what your horse is telling you. Some of us read our Fjords' "stubborness" as obstinance. What the horse is really telling you is that he is very worried about the bottom of that puddle, and he doesn't, yet, trust you enough to believe that it's okay to walk into it. So your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to develop that trust. It's not just about crossing the water! A neighbor of mine, while on a trail ride, ignored his horse's worry about crossing a puddle. He forced her into the water and ended up spending half a day digging her out of a bog. She had gone in up to her belly. She was never the same, trusty, trail horse after that, and permanently injured her back. Horses have good, instinctive, reasons to mistrust any kind of footing. We need to respect that! Once you have gained your horse's trust from the ground, you can transfer it to the saddle, but be prepared to go through the same "baby steps" again, because it will change the picture for your horse. Let your horse tell you how far he can go for the day, don't push it! Then enjoy the rest of your ride, so everything ends on a happy note! This may take some time in the beginning, but will reap great time saving rewards in the years to come! From Beth, Sandy and the gang at Starfire Farm in Colorado. BDF Magnum, BDF John Arthur, Maerta and all of the non-Fjords. Happy Trails! P.S. - I've never had a potatoe come running when I called it!
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This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tuesday, 26 May 98, Cynthia wrote: > Question: Getting Fjords to cross water. Tank will follow another horse > through water and cross the same puddle once he has been through it, but > will not cross the next one he sees by himself! What Cynthia fails to mention here, is that Tank may have been correct about crossing the "puddles". My Morgan Pferd and I were providing the example that there was nothing dangerous about crossing the puddle, (these are bodies of water up to thirty feet long by twenty wide), when we discovered a hole belly deep on a Morgan in the middle. Cynthia says Pferd stumbled, but she wasn't on his back to feel him drop into the hole. After that we provided a more cautious example for Tank, staying much closer to the edge of these horse-eating puddles. They certainly are deep enough to harbor a crocodile or two but we won't tell Tank. -- Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA Have you driven a Fjord, lately?
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This message is from: BKFJORDS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cinthia, Fjords and water-wow, they either like it or they DON'T. Anyway, after my recent mishap, we donned our barn boots and proceeded to go into the water and with some TTEAM (Linda Tellington Jones) work and convincing, they finially went in. Now they go in and stand, and even cross a creek. It is just mind over matter or water, in this case-in other words, its stupid that they act that way!! They will run all around in the mud and puddles, but ask them to be ridden or driven in it and its different. Have patience and good luck! Bernadine Karns
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This message is from: Northhorse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In a message dated 98-05-26 18:03:20 EDT, Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I'm afraid I was losing my temper with him yesterday and we got into fights. I lost. Now I need to recover my dignity. Give me some advice on getting them to cross water. >> Did this with my Arab, 20 years ago. Got him used to crossing streams, waterfalls, and into the ocean in Malibu! It was a blast. Start off small. Create little puddles that he MUST cross to get to his feed. Lots of times they don't like to go in puddles if they can't see the bottom. It's a good self-preservation instinct. They don't know how deep the whole is. Do a LOT of groundwork on this, making more frequent puddles, larger ones, creating little streams in your yard (a pain, but it is effective). Praise each baby step, and someday you may cross large streams, etc. Good luck. Each horse is different, so this is only one approach, it may or may not work with your horse. Pamela
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This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Just catching up on my list reading after the weekend of moving horses and getting them (and all their junk) settled into their new home. Still have a couple of items to move, but know where they can go now. Mike, I loved your contribution about the Horse Whisperer. Steve and I saw it this weekend and I enjoyed the movie more than the book. The book has such a stupid ending and I thought Redford handled it much better. Saskia, thanks for the virtual cards. I sent one to my grandkids. Jean, the bit I bought from you is working well. Tank really seems to like it. Question: Getting Fjords to cross water. Tank will follow another horse through water and cross the same puddle once he has been through it, but will not cross the next one he sees by himself! I'm afraid I was losing my temper with him yesterday and we got into fights. I lost. Now I need to recover my dignity. Give me some advice on getting them to cross water. In our new site, this will limit driving if he will not go through puddles when needed. They can't all be avoided completely in a cart and I want him to learn this anyway. HELP! TIA. Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs & Research University of Nebraska at Omaha
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Alison Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I find that geldings are much more placid than mares [...] I find > that they bond better with you than mares. Interesting---my experience has been exactly the opposite! My old Nansy mare is the one who whinneys a greeting when I go out to the barn, and the one who comes first when I call them back in from pasture. I've never seen any behaviors from her that I would consider hormone related. She's always there, steady and dependable---doing her job. Our two geldings, on the other hand, are always bickering. They take each others' fly masks off (often shredding them in the process), play-fighting. They bite big tufts of hair out of each other. Twice, Sleepy has actually bitten chunks out of Rom's ears! And, if another horse that we meet out on the trail looks crossways at Sleepy, he jumps out from under me---trying to avoid what he thinks is going to be an "attack". I suspect it's an individual thing. But, I know that a sample size of 3 doesn't give me very reliable statistics Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
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This message is from: "Alison Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I was hoping to get some praise of geldings from my last posting, but did > not get a rise out of anyone. Let's hear it for the geldings! I have to admit that it's nice not to have to worry about hormones. I find that geldings are much more placid than mares (I have no experience with stallions) but sometimes it's too bad thast you can't breed tham. My old pony is beyond work, and I wish I could have a foal of his, but he's a gelding. Other than that, I think that geldings are best. They usually keep their minds on work, and you don't have to think about breeding. also, in my experience, they are cheaper, even though they are about the same conformationally, because they can't be used for breeding. Lastly, I find that they bond better with you than mares. Both Fj and Sunny think they are puppies and belong with you 24 hours a day.
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This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow! I love this list. Sue's comments on temperament are excellent. And a big welcome to Nancy and Lou. It took you a while to come out to the list Nancy, but I know you will have a lot to offer. Now that you are not shy anymore, I hope you will continue to share your knowledge of Fjords with all of us. We really enjoyed meeting you and Lou at the Kansas Equi-Fest and look forward to seeing you at Blue Earth. Cyber vs. Live evaluation - I agree that cyber evaluations will not have near the quality of a live evaluations, but the comments can be informative from pictures as a learning tool. We just need to remember that it from a picture and take that into account. This list is beginning to cost me money! First I can't resist Sue's offer to sell me a raffle ticket for a Fjord (just what I need another horse, but I am sure I will win!) and now Jean has sold me two new bits to make Tank a happy camper. (Jean, the check really is in the mail). Tank and I are busy for the next three weeks getting in all the trail riding we can because we are moving the horses over Memorial Day weekend and the new place offers better overall amenities especially for driving, but not the wonderful wooded trails we have now. He was not too happy with me taking him out last night with a storm coming in and away from his dinner and he bolted three times from deer and wild turkey's (not his usual behavior at all). He did however jump the creek without a problem (trying to get in the crossing water practice we will not have at the new place). I was hoping to get some praise of geldings from my last posting, but did not get a rise out of anyone. Let's hear it for the geldings! Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs & Research University of Nebraska at Omaha
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Petty) I told her about the list last weekend at our PNFPG meeting. I do not know if she chose to get on the list. It would probably be best to gather the information you think should be in the Herald, format it, and send it to her. Philip Petty Lochsa Fjords Mica, WA -- > From: Julie Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: various > Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 4:56 AM > > This message is from: Julie Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I am really enjoying the active discussions, and wish a lot of them could > be re-produced for the Herald! This is the kind of info that new Fjord > owners are longing for! Is Sally Webber on the list? Julie @ Old Hickory Farm >
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This message is from: Julie Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am really enjoying the active discussions, and wish a lot of them could be re-produced for the Herald! This is the kind of info that new Fjord owners are longing for! Is Sally Webber on the list? Julie @ Old Hickory Farm
