Re: 4 yr old Gelding for sale
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Whew! I do not know who wrote the tribute to Knute but if I get ready to sell something I will let you write it up. I feel like I know Knute and it makes me sad that I have come to the end of my buying horses. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
4 yr old Gelding for sale
This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List Friends- Chip has a filly left for sale and the gelding listed below. Please pass this information along to all potential owners who are still looking for a new fjord. Thanks. FJORD GELDING FOR SALE Looking for a well trained gelding that can literally do anything around your ranch? Take a look at Quad-L's Knut. Email us privately for further details and price. KNUT is a 4-year-old gelding, who stands approximately 15 hands and he is still growing and filling out. He is the most enthusiastic trail horse I know of in the fjord world! Knut is a social horse with other horses and with people too. He loves to play and frolic with the babies and with his friends. But he is not herd bound and will gladly go to the ends of the earth with someone he loves. He is also a reliable packhorse for hunting or trail rides, and has experience pulling and driving, both single and as a team. Knut has been known to pass himself off as any one of the other horses when an unsuspecting novice is calling for a horse to ride. He has even been saddled while answering to a mare's name. He will do whatever it takes to go for a ride. This horse actually smiles while he is out on the trails! While the other horses are sweated up and ready to return to the barn after a trail ride, Knut will pout, hang his head and docilely trudge along because he doesn't want the fun to end! He would rather keep on truckin'. This fall some Amish men took Knut for 10 days into the mountains. They fell in love with him. His gentle nature, eagerness and temperament endured him to their hearts. Knut has an abundance of personality, character and a wonderful sense of humor. If you leave him in the tack barn unsupervised, the carrots across the room seem to magically disappear, but Knut will still be standing where you left him. It is amazing how he can tiptoe around when he wants to! If he wants to play and you have a soda he will try to share it with you. He loves Mountain Dew so make sure you always recap your bottle if it is in the barn! Even then he will play with it. One word of warning though, keep him away from water if you don't want to get wet! He loves to splash and play in the water and will even entertain himself in a sprinkler. He amused us for hours this summer with his water antics! If you are still looking for a truly versatile trail horse I would highly recommend coming to visit Knut. Spend some time with him; go for a couple of rides. He enjoys the snow we have right now and loves to ride in it. Get to know his personality and I can promise it will be time well spent. Treat yourself to a special Christmas gift this year, a gift that will keep giving for years to come. Call us anytime you want to visit Knut. Thanks. Jennie or Teresa Sanders for Quad-L Ranch, Sandpoint, Idaho Chip Lamb, Owner 208-263-3344 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gelding for sale, NW
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am posting a Fjord Gelding for sale for Mike and Phyllis Wickstrom of Libby, Northwest Montana. He is a five year old named Green Briar Haley and is registered with the Canadian Fjord Horse Association. He's not been ridden for a couple of years but has been under saddle before. He's almost 15 hands tall. These folk have had him for four years now and we know they've taken good care of him. They are letting him go for $2,500. (They say it's a fire sale for college money.) Please contact them directly: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 406-293-6772
Gelding for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I'm sending this for a friend who isn't on the list. For Sale: 5 yr old gelding. Roughly 13.2-13.3 hands. Athletic build. Not harness trained, but is green broke to saddle. He has been used for lead line for beginners and for handicapped riders. He is very low keyed and easy going. He is to date on vaccinations, wormings and trimmings. He is a willing learner, and his owners feel he would be a good therapy horse. He's sire is SANJAR. They are asking $3,200 neg. to the right home. You can contact Sally at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call her at 207-672-3702. He is located in Bingham Me. His name is Liland, and he's as cute as a bug :-) Thank You, Aimee Day
Fw: Norwegian Fjord Gelding trained to drive
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PLEASE READ THIS FOLLOWING MESSAGE. Thank you Catherine Lassesen - Original Message - From: Jackson Hole Therapeutic Riding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 11:51 AM Subject: Norwegian Fjord Gelding trained to drive > We are looking to buy a Norweign Fjord gelding trained to ride and drive. If > you know > of one for sale we would appreciate it if you let us know a name and number. > We > are Jackson Hole Therapeutic Riding Association at (307)733-1374 and our > e-mail address > is [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you know names and phone numbers of other breeders > and trainers > please let us know. Thank you so much for your helpKerri Ellis > >
RE: mare-gelding behavior
This message is from: "Turcotte, Dianne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, My mare when she is in heat doesn't care whether it is gelded or not, she will present her self in fine fashion. However she is not a fjord, with the fjord mare it is harder to tell... -Original Message- From: Don & Jane Brackett To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: 6/9/00 3:22 PM Subject: mare-gelding behavior This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting post on imprinting, and the differences in training ease in imprinted and nonimprinted horses. I have been having a great spring with my mare, on the advice of my riding instructor, I went back to the beginning (in hand, longeing) to gain more of Osa's attention and respect and to teach her leg yields, better bending etc. It was good advice and we are progressing. We've gone back to riding in the last two weeks and we are doing much better and having more fun. However all of this work has been just the two of us alone in a arena out of sight of her stabled gelding buddy. The other day my husband was having his lesson on Geilo (his gelding) and Suzie asked how Osa was doing. So I brought her up to the arena at the end of Don's lesson and she was absolutely horrible! :( !!! She had only eyes for Geilo and no thoughts for the three people. Geilo went back to the barn and she settled down after about a half hour of prancing and bucking and squeeling (we were planning on a short lounge session) - however we did end on a good note and had a few productive minutes of lounging. Osa spent the first few years of her life basically untouched and then some training around three years old, left for another year untouched and then I bought her a year and a half ago at 5. So, two questions have been roaming through my head. One, she may have been in heat I suppose but I saw no other signs. Does a single mare and gelding have a stallion-mare relationship sometimes (Osa and Geilo are our only two horses)? Geilo is most definately the boss of the two though I've never seen him act like a stud in any way. And two, is her lack of early education and people contact always going to make people second to other horses in her mind? When Osa and I are alone she is great, responsive, affectionate and respectful. All in all a great companion and one I will never part from! :) Happy Fjording all, Jane (in Maine where it has finally warmed up and not raining!) PS Osa was the mare I asked about head shaking a while back. The vet said her ears were perfect, no mites etc no pain that we could find in neck, back, legs etc. so we assume that it is just her mannerism. Our vet is very impressed with both the Fjords - Geilo had his teeth floated as well as all the assorted jabs and prodding etc and was happy through out!! Such great horses!
mare-gelding behavior
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting post on imprinting, and the differences in training ease in imprinted and nonimprinted horses. I have been having a great spring with my mare, on the advice of my riding instructor, I went back to the beginning (in hand, longeing) to gain more of Osa's attention and respect and to teach her leg yields, better bending etc. It was good advice and we are progressing. We've gone back to riding in the last two weeks and we are doing much better and having more fun. However all of this work has been just the two of us alone in a arena out of sight of her stabled gelding buddy. The other day my husband was having his lesson on Geilo (his gelding) and Suzie asked how Osa was doing. So I brought her up to the arena at the end of Don's lesson and she was absolutely horrible! :( !!! She had only eyes for Geilo and no thoughts for the three people. Geilo went back to the barn and she settled down after about a half hour of prancing and bucking and squeeling (we were planning on a short lounge session) - however we did end on a good note and had a few productive minutes of lounging. Osa spent the first few years of her life basically untouched and then some training around three years old, left for another year untouched and then I bought her a year and a half ago at 5. So, two questions have been roaming through my head. One, she may have been in heat I suppose but I saw no other signs. Does a single mare and gelding have a stallion-mare relationship sometimes (Osa and Geilo are our only two horses)? Geilo is most definately the boss of the two though I've never seen him act like a stud in any way. And two, is her lack of early education and people contact always going to make people second to other horses in her mind? When Osa and I are alone she is great, responsive, affectionate and respectful. All in all a great companion and one I will never part from! :) Happy Fjording all, Jane (in Maine where it has finally warmed up and not raining!) PS Osa was the mare I asked about head shaking a while back. The vet said her ears were perfect, no mites etc no pain that we could find in neck, back, legs etc. so we assume that it is just her mannerism. Our vet is very impressed with both the Fjords - Geilo had his teeth floated as well as all the assorted jabs and prodding etc and was happy through out!! Such great horses!
Fjord gelding wanted
This message is from: "Sandy Sederstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am posting this ad for a friend, she is looking for a Fjord gelding, about 14.3 to 15 hands tall, 2 to 12 years old trained to ride and drive if possible, a quiet calm disposition, doesn't want a drafty type, in the Wisconsin area or surrounding states, horse will have a good home, contact Sandy Korn, phone 920-836-3321, Winneconne, Wi. or e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gelding for sale
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi everyone, Nancy and Mark Carman, of Casper, Wyoming, are selling their fjord gelding, Knute. His is a very nice, green, gelding. They like him very much, but are "green" themselves and would like a horse with more experience. He is a very kind, willing, horse. He would do best with an experienced rider, or a less experienced, bold, rider. He is 4 years old and stands 14 h. If you are interested, you can e-mail Nancy or Mark at [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can see photos and pedigree on our website at: http://www.starfirefarm.com -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
Fjord Gelding for sale
This message is from: Deborah Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I recently subscribed to your group mostly with the hope of having a forum for placing my fjord gelding. He is 11 yrs old and 15 hands. He is a son of Per. I have "owned" Klove for 6 years and have had nothing but wonderful experiences with him.. He has mostly been used for trail riding although he has had a few stints as a dressage rider's mount. I am asking 5,500 for him to the right home-I am very selective. If interested, please contact Deborah Simpson @ 704-895-9937 or e-mail me @ [EMAIL PROTECTED]I am located in NC> Thank you for posting this!
Re: Response to "Gelding Only Wanted-VA"
This message is from: "Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It is quite funny to me because of our lack of horses here (well the ones I am interested in) that there is a large demand for geldings. Because we are still in start up mode (I am talking mostly Friesians here, I don't really know enough about the sales history of the Fjords) people are after breeding stock so mares are very precious. Everybody preys for a filly foal. But with other breeds that are plentiful, well, most people are after working horses not breeding horses so male foals are probably the preferred sex as generally most people seem to prefer geldings. Just shows how mature your breeding program is that the benefits of a mare versus a gelding purely as a working horse is open to discussion. Me, I have 4 geldings and 3 mares (well two are only sub 2 year old fillies) and I love them all! Lynn
Re: Response to "Gelding Only Wanted-VA"
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> talking about geldings..i have an eight year old gelding for sale. his name is knute, he drives and rides though is green at riding. very smart, a little stubborn. tries anything you ask. has been on trails in the forests and foothills. call or email me for more. i have too many other horses and he has to go. denise delgado
Responses to my response to the "gelding" thang!
This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just wanted to say that I got lots of giggles and laughs over all the funny responses about the issue of "gelding vs. mare". As it was stated earlier, it's always going to be a personal preference. I personally don't see enough hard evidence to choose a gelding over a mare or vice versa. I have owned geldings that were wonderful, and geldings that were dangerous. I've also owned the same in mares... My choice to buy a Fjord mare was more of fluke than anything. Since I already have two mares (an Andalusian and a Morgan) I figured that another mare wouldn't change things much. Though, I know that if she had been a gelding, I would have still wanted her. My best friend and riding buddy owns five geldings, and she thinks I'm crazy for owning all mares. But when I take my mare out with her geldings, it seems that THEY are always doing the flirting, not my mares! I once had to leave a group ride with my Morgan mare, because the geldings wouldn't leave my mare alone, and she wasn't even batting an eyelash at them, let alone the other end :)! Of course, when we got together afterwards, the group referred to me as "the one with the horny mare". I nearly exploded!!! Talk about a stereotype against mares! LOL LOL! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Re: Response to "Gelding Only Wanted-VA"
This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
WOW..it seems like Fjord fillies are popping out all over the
place!! I guess it's just going to up the price of those "well trained
geldings".Linda{who owns a fantastic team
of mares}
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>From: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
>Subject: Re: Response to "Gelding Only Wanted-VA"
>Date: Wed, Apr 12, 2000, 11:01 AM
>
>This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>At 08:04 AM 04/12/2000 +0800, you wrote:
>>This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>Perhaps my hesitation to put a wanted ad up on the Fjord List was for good
>>cause after all! I would think that all the breeders and sellers out there
>>would appreciate my announcing a potential buyer to this list! It should
>>matter NOT about why my friend wants a gelding only. It's a personal
>>choice!
>>_
>>
>>Sarah Vogeley (who owns ALL mares, BTW!)
>>New Forest Farm
>>Charlottesville, VA
>>
>
>SARAH, you know those promotional deals where you're the unsuspecting
>umpteenth customer that walks through the door and all of a sudden you're
>blitzed with bells? you just happened to be the umpteenth want ad for a
>gelding! =)) nothing personal at all. I suspect we're all getting fed up
>with not having enough trained geldings to meet the big demand. Actually,
>that's what I always wanted too.. (and now I have my Hohmer gelding.) I'd
>feel so bad if anyone was discouraged with sharing ads just because of some
>silly thing I said.. please, don't hesitate to post.. that's how we all learn.
>
>I am curious though why this is so and thought a mare sounding would be of
>interest, maybe even benefit, if folks know how wonderful the mares are
>too. We've never been able to discern any difference in the mares during
>their cycles (the geldings know of course). Wheras had a Morgan mare once
>that was actually dangerous when she cycled. We are so impressed with the
>beautiful dispositions of the Fjord mares.
>
>We have a pretty little extra-furry filly out of Oscar's Round Mountain
>Lena this morning.. adorable! LOVE THOSE BABIES!
>
>What a beautiful day!! Ruthie, NW MT
>
>
Re: Response to "Gelding Only Wanted-VA"
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sarah I hope you are not referring to my remark about "geldings only" Remember anything written on these machines seems to be critical or angry. I did not think my remark required a smiley but here it is after the fact, :) :) :) All is well and no bad thoughts meant at all. Jean PS "plug" Read my book and you will find I am really a very funny lady!!! Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Response to "Gelding Only Wanted-VA"
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I really must clear things up here. My remark about "gelding only" is simply informational. I have heard it so many times from so many people through the years. I myself prefer geldings! My warmblood mare is steady until her first heavy heat in the spring. In some circles she could be described as a "slut". Excuse my French! She pesters the life out of my two geldings and is touchy and definitely sensitive to everything. As I have listened to people here talk about their mares I have not heard complaints about the mares cycles. When I was looking for a fjord I also did not hear problems with cycling. So I began to believe that the fjord mare might be less of a problem than other breeds. Nose to the grindstone and all that. If that were true it should be emphasized in our selling ads. But it seems there may be truth in all mares are not the same so check it out. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Gelding wanted
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lori, that "time of the month" really tickled my funny bone. Hahahaha! Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Gelding wanted
This message is from: Debby Stai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I hope no one thought I was being anti Gelding. My feeling was, and of course I only have one Fjord mare to compare this with, is that Fjord mares seem generally "sweeter" than the mares I've seen in whats called a "mares only" pasture at our barn. Actually, I did know Ambers mom and she was also very sweet. Amber just seems more sensitive, maybe not necessarily because she's a mare, more because she's a Fjord. Maybe its in the way they are raised. My little welsh pony, gelding, is sweet and loves attention, but he's gotten that since he was a baby, doesn't know any other way. Debby Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Excuse me, but aren't mare owners being a little too sensitive here. As a > person > who strongly favors geldings, I didn't read any anti-mare sentiments into the > request for a gelding - just someone who has a preference for geldings. I > love > mares and stallions, but prefer owning geldings as a little more hassle free > and > always there for you and I am not interested in breeding at this time. > > Cynthia Madden, owner of Tank the wonder pony (and gelding and wouldn't have > him > any other way!) > Omaha, Nebraska USA > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Response to "Gelding Only Wanted-VA"
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:04 AM 04/12/2000 +0800, you wrote: >This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Perhaps my hesitation to put a wanted ad up on the Fjord List was for good >cause after all! I would think that all the breeders and sellers out there >would appreciate my announcing a potential buyer to this list! It should >matter NOT about why my friend wants a gelding only. It's a personal >choice! >_ > >Sarah Vogeley (who owns ALL mares, BTW!) >New Forest Farm >Charlottesville, VA > SARAH, you know those promotional deals where you're the unsuspecting umpteenth customer that walks through the door and all of a sudden you're blitzed with bells? you just happened to be the umpteenth want ad for a gelding! =)) nothing personal at all. I suspect we're all getting fed up with not having enough trained geldings to meet the big demand. Actually, that's what I always wanted too.. (and now I have my Hohmer gelding.) I'd feel so bad if anyone was discouraged with sharing ads just because of some silly thing I said.. please, don't hesitate to post.. that's how we all learn. I am curious though why this is so and thought a mare sounding would be of interest, maybe even benefit, if folks know how wonderful the mares are too. We've never been able to discern any difference in the mares during their cycles (the geldings know of course). Wheras had a Morgan mare once that was actually dangerous when she cycled. We are so impressed with the beautiful dispositions of the Fjord mares. We have a pretty little extra-furry filly out of Oscar's Round Mountain Lena this morning.. adorable! LOVE THOSE BABIES! What a beautiful day!! Ruthie, NW MT
Re: Gelding wanted
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Excuse me, but aren't mare owners being a little too sensitive here. I thought we were just discussing and clarifying, for those who perhaps had no experience with mares, that mares can also make good using horses. I didn't think we were being overly sensitive. But, who knows, maybe it's that time of the month. ;-) Lori
Re: Response to "Gelding Only Wanted-VA"
This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >This message is from: "Laurie Pittman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Perhaps my hesitation to put a wanted ad up on the Fjord List was >>for good cause after all! I would think that all the breeders and sellers >>out there would appreciate my announcing a potential buyer to this list! >>It should matter NOT about why my friend wants a gelding only. It's a >>personal choice! > >Don't regret posting that request for your friend, Sarah. You're right, it >is a personal choice. While I'd never turn down a good mare, I also tend to >prefer geldings. Sarah ... I agree with Laurie ... please don't let it hurt your feelings. You have to expect some rambling of thought here. Another reson for prefering one sex over the other is the mix in your pasture. If you already have a mean boss mare or an older mare who can no longer defend herself, you might not want to bring in a new mare. It's my understanding that mares are often meaner to other mares than they are to geldings. I prefer mares because I don't want to ever, ever, ever have to clean that thing! ;-):-);-):-);-):-);-):-);-):-) >>><<< Meredith Sessoms >>><<< Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA >>><<< Dorina & NFR Aagot
Gelding wanted
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Excuse me, but aren't mare owners being a little too sensitive here. As a person who strongly favors geldings, I didn't read any anti-mare sentiments into the request for a gelding - just someone who has a preference for geldings. I love mares and stallions, but prefer owning geldings as a little more hassle free and always there for you and I am not interested in breeding at this time. Cynthia Madden, owner of Tank the wonder pony (and gelding and wouldn't have him any other way!) Omaha, Nebraska USA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Response to "Gelding Only Wanted-VA"
This message is from: "Laurie Pittman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Perhaps my hesitation to put a wanted ad up on the Fjord List was for good > cause after all! I would think that all the breeders and sellers out there > would appreciate my announcing a potential buyer to this list! It should > matter NOT about why my friend wants a gelding only. It's a personal > choice! Don't regret posting that request for your friend, Sarah. You're right, it is a personal choice. While I'd never turn down a good mare, I also tend to prefer geldings. The mares I've owned in the past (not fjords) tended to have a "don't bother me" attitude. (I know they're not all like that though, no flames please ). And if anyone thinks that geldings don't have as much personality as a mare, come on out and meet my boys! : ) Laurie
Response to "Gelding Only Wanted-VA"
This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Perhaps my hesitation to put a wanted ad up on the Fjord List was for good cause after all! I would think that all the breeders and sellers out there would appreciate my announcing a potential buyer to this list! It should matter NOT about why my friend wants a gelding only. It's a personal choice! _ Sarah Vogeley (who owns ALL mares, BTW!) New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Re: Driving Fjord Gelding Wanted-VA
This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gee, I didn't know mares weren't suppose to be driven! I'll have to tell Riena, Serena, KK, Tosh and Sierra. They'll probably be disappointed to know they shouldn't be driving, does that go for work also? Hey, was this statement by the same guy who said girls can't do math and science as well as boys can? lol Teresa- Being sarcastic and flippant in North Idaho There is that statement again "wants a gelding only" Jean That's how it struck me too Jean! I got to wondering, "what's wrong with mares anyhow?" Ruthie
Re: Driving Fjord Gelding Wanted-VA
This message is from: "Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Seeing as I am not a Fjord owner yet I can't compare them to the breeds I know, but having had several mares over time all I can say is they are all different. I had one TB mare that would fall in love with a fence post, or a passing magpie, or just about anything when she was in season, the TB mare I have now, it is dam hard to even work out when she is in season when there is a Stallion around and she is being actively teased. On the other hand geldings with ideas above their station can be a right royal pain. Lynn
Re: Driving Fjord Gelding Wanted-VA
This message is from: Debby Stai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've never had a mare before, our Fjord Amber is our first. The only way I know she's in cycle is she urinates in her stall more and a little discharge, especially when shes with the QH whom she loves. She is too sweet! She's not at all agressive with my geldings and in fact I have to watch that she doesn't get picked on. She seems much more sensitive than my guys, except for my little pony but he's my baby and he knows it! Debby in TX Bushnell's wrote: > This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 09:03 AM 04/11/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >There is that statement again "wants a gelding only" It has been my > >impression that Fjord mares are not as sensitive and moody during their > >cycles as say the thoroughbred, warm bloods, Arabs etc. Jean > > > > That's how it struck me too Jean! I got to wondering, "what's wrong with > mares anyhow?" 'Course we've only driven geldings so far =) but is this a > general practise, using geldings only for driving? I hope we hear if there > are mares being driven too...? I wondered if it was because they're with > foal so much. I think you're right too about the Fjord mares not displaying > their cycles as much as other breeds. > Ruthie
Re: Driving Fjord Gelding Wanted-VA
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bushnell's wrote: > That's how it struck me too Jean! I got to wondering, "what's wrong with > mares anyhow?" 'Course we've only driven geldings so far =) but is this a > general practise, using geldings only for driving? I hope we hear if there > are mares being driven too...? Never fear Ruthie, we drive our Cindy everywhere and she is THE BEST driving horse in the whole wide world. Lori A.
Re: Driving Fjord Gelding Wanted-VA
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Gayle wrote: > There is that statement again "wants a gelding only" It has been my > impression that Fjord mares are not as sensitive and moody during their > cycles as say the thoroughbred, warm bloods, Arabs etc. Jean I think it's an individual thing to the horse. Cindy is not moody at all when cycling BUT we don't have a stallion on premises. I think mares are a bit more opinionated than geldings and maybe tend to have a higher opinion of themselves. I like them for that though. Lori A.
Re: Driving Fjord Gelding Wanted-VA
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:03 AM 04/11/2000 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >There is that statement again "wants a gelding only" It has been my >impression that Fjord mares are not as sensitive and moody during their >cycles as say the thoroughbred, warm bloods, Arabs etc. Jean > That's how it struck me too Jean! I got to wondering, "what's wrong with mares anyhow?" 'Course we've only driven geldings so far =) but is this a general practise, using geldings only for driving? I hope we hear if there are mares being driven too...? I wondered if it was because they're with foal so much. I think you're right too about the Fjord mares not displaying their cycles as much as other breeds. Ruthie
Re: Driving Fjord Gelding Wanted-VA
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There is that statement again "wants a gelding only" It has been my impression that Fjord mares are not as sensitive and moody during their cycles as say the thoroughbred, warm bloods, Arabs etc. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Driving Fjord Gelding Wanted-VA
This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have hesitated to put out a "wanted ad" for a friend, but I wouldn't want her to pass up a life long friend if he's out there somewhere to be had... Brenda Saunders lives in Afton, VA and she is looking for a reasonably priced, confidence builder driving gelding. She hasn't given this breed much thought, due to her lack of exposure, until she saw my new filly. She is a good horse person, but she is new to driving, and needs a gelding that will be calm, steady, and safe on the roads and through fields. She hopes to participate in local driving events so she really needs something that will be up to the task. She will only consider a gelding and he must be within a reasonable distance from Virginia (how far she'll travel, I'm not sure). Age isn't as important as temperament and health. If anyone knows of a special guy that might win her heart, please email her directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know that she offers a wonderful home with a few hundred acres of board fenced pasture land, and a nice barn for poor weather conditions. Thanks very much, _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Re: Searching for a Fjord Gelding
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Terrie, So sorry about your boy. I lost my love two years ago from the same thing. Just want to warn you that when you have as much emotion into a horse be careful that you are not trying to replace him. I tried too soon, just could not stand looking out at the field and not seeing him there. I was also sure that all fjords were alike! Take a lot of time and let yourself get over the mourning or you may be disappointed in your next buy. Whatever, it is really a sad loss. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Searching for a Fjord Gelding
This message is from: "Terrie Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, My name is Terrie Maas. My darling Fjord Gelding died last week from a twisted intestine. He was only twelve years old and we loved and used him alot. I give pony rides to my grandchildren and also ride up in the hills myself. Buddy was in parades, delighted handicapped children and was our club project. He was voted the Horse of the Year at our riding club last year because everyone loved how versatile he was. He was used more than all four of our other horses put together. I really could be a spokeswomen for the breed because now I don't want anything else for my family. The problem is that I don't have the money that many are selling for. I can't pay more than $2500. and I need a broke horse. I don't need cart training, jumping, or horse show ready. (however that would be a bonus) I just need a horse that has been down the road a little so I can put a beginner on him and go on a trail ride. We have a nice home, individual stalls and runs, and we all love our horses. I don't mind going out of state if need be and would be glad to haul horses back with me if anyone has such a need. I have a four horse trailer and fairly new truck so am not afraid to take off for the right horse. Please tell me what is around. I prefer a gelding that is 14 to 15 hands. thanks in advance for your help. Love, Terrie
Re: Gelding
This message is from: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Sue, I like to geld my boys that are not stallion prospects at a year old. I have limited space to keep stallions and yearlings have been known to breed. As to the question of shoes. I feel that this depends on your horse's feet, the ground that you are working on and the amount of riding. I usually have my horse shod if I am doing a lot of work on a gravel rock or heading for the mountains. Alison Bakken from Alberta
Gelding for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List. I have a gelding for sale. Ross is about 15 h. (I'll have to measure him to be 100% sure but he's right there.) He is out of Anvil's Randi who's out of Rudaren & Foehn.and Cindy who's out of Prince & Freya. (for anyone who cares) He will be 8 yrs old on July 4th. He hasn't been driven, or shown, just used as a trail horse. He is very good on roads, and trails. He is a good boy who keeps us in stitches :) We never come back from a trail ride with out a funny store to tell about him. If you'd like more info and a photo, please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aimee Day Garland, MAINE 207-285-3286
Re: Fjord Gelding for Sale
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dakota as been owned by the current owner for about a year. She is looking to get into Dressage & he is a Western Pleasure horse deluxe. He can be ridden english but does require leg & as the owner is 4.11" & the horse is 15.3 it proved to be too much work. Let me know if you have any other questions. ( I know the ad on BAEN has 15.1 but he is 15.3 )Nancy > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Also, how long have you owned him?
Re: Fjord Gelding for Sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, how long have you owned him?
Fjord Gelding for Sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone, I'm sure some of you know we are selling out gelding Ike, because we have so many horses now and want to concentrate on the training and showing of the mares and foal. But for those of you who don't know, here is his info: Igen 218 Simonette Fritz 355 IKE Loke 215 Brawn 66 - Kinnikinnick 45 & Sammi 11 Inga 166 Hedda 67 - Buck 34& Majbrit 32 Ike is coming 13 this year, Was raised on a dude ranch all his life, He is The best trail horse I have ever run across, He would make a great weekend trail horse, a great lesson horse for beginners, and pack horse, Ike is between 14.1 and 14.2 on the stocky side, but NOT overweight, His ground manners are impecable, (and I cant take credit for that, we tend to spoil them rotten) He is not an " In your pocket Fjord". He loads well, and ponies well and packs game too. Now his down side, (and they all have them) He doesnt particulary like clippers, and he has a slight case of arthritis in his one front bottom joint. He has had it since we have had him and it doesnt slow him down and is only detectable to a well trained eye. But we know, so therefore, we will tell any buyer . He therefore wouldnt be a candidate for jumping, or lots of loping and but is fine for walking and trotting and weekend trail rides. the vet has checked him out throughly and feels that this isnt a serious problem by any means, We give him MSM on a daily basis, just as precaution, and it makes us feel better. Ike does thrive best on daily attention and weekly riding, otherwise he can seem standoffish We really need to sell him as we are out of room and also breeding season is upon us and I have had several deals fall thru on him, (so please dont enquire unless you already have the funds) We have priced him low enough to allow a first time Fjord buyer to afford him, or someone who needs another reliable horse for beginners The price is $2200.00 american. and that includes a coggins and travel certificate, all transportation is the responsibility of buyer, although my husband is willing to bring him, with reimbursement If you know anyone please forward them my email and phone ## [EMAIL PROTECTED] 406-777-0426
Re: trained fjord gelding and green filly for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/27/00 9:23:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << She has a lovely fjord gelding named Jiminy (call name Jimmy) who is 7 or 9, I can't remember which, originally from Los Trigos. >> I remember seeing him when I bought Juniper. He was a really nice boy. If we were in the market for gelding would have snatched him up. Somebody will be getting a nice horse when they buy him. Pamela
Re: trained fjord gelding and green filly for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A woman in Albuquerque I know (and know her horses) has two fjords for sale to good homes, as her interests have gone to Lippizaner Land. She has a lovely fjord gelding named Jiminy (call name Jimmy) who is 7 or 9, I can't remember which, originally from Los Trigos. He is not large. He is about 13.2 I think. He is a well-trained riding horse suitable for a beginner, has been used with special needs kids in the past, and has been ridden western and English. He doesn't drive. He is a very sweet horse and is the horse that got us interested in fjords in the first place. The filly is about a year and a half, from back East of very good breeding, name La Traviata. She's going to be big, is drop-dead gorgeous, has had ground training. She is very bold and full of herself, but sweet. You could do anything with this one, but she'll need professional training. The owner's name is Lesley Becker and her E-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] These horses have had regular vet care, worming, shots, etc. and have no health or personality problems. I want them myself but think 2 green horses for a greenish person is probably already 2 too many. Gail-Dorine
But wait - Gelding stud colt
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> His Lisa, My goal is to 1) determine he is stallion material and then, AFTER THAT 2) determine if his bloodlines are needed. If he is brown dun, there is certainly an argument that his bloodlines are already well represented in this area. IF he is a grey of stallion quality- then he has the same bloodlines, with an additional factor, he is grey. In that case, I believe he could improve the strain of Fjords that are grey. Of course, if he is -a PERFECT stallion (not likely- but we could hope), then I would have a responsibility to keep him intact, brown or grey. The argument for selecting for color AFTER determining overall breeding suitability, is to make sure that Fjords of grey coloring have equally good conformation to the brown. To do that, it is well to have a variety of good breeding stock that carries the grey gene. You are right, of course, that breeding for color adds a varable that dilutes the focus from other desired characteristics. For example, in this case, I do not think Odin will have a *perfect* head - so I suppose, were I not selecting based on color, I might demand a perfect head. However, I do not intend to keep intact a stallion who is not superior. My intent is to leave intact a grey stallion who would be sufficiently desireable *that YOU would come breed to him if he were brown dun.* Only difference would be that he would have the *additional* feature of being grey. I feel like having a stallion is a HUGE responsibility. Romulus is really going to be enough for me. If Odin is grey, I would likely try to sell him. So Lisa, - if he passes muster as a Superior stallion - you buy him - I won't tell you whether he is brown or grey (action videos will be color screened - you wear dark glasses to view him). Then I can have the opportunity to breed him to my mares, and you get all the responsibility. In any case - at some point Lisa, Peg and I should swap videos of Rocky, Lisa's colt (sorry, can't remember his name) and ODin - and show each other what we see in babies we have kept intact (Rocky until last summer). I would love to have an outside view of Odin's gaits - with footage of his dam - which *I - with barn blind eyes* think is lovely - and that Odin has inherited. Would probably be a fun mutual education process. Ship out a packet of three videos to each other for comment. (of course right now I don't even have the video camera) :) I wouldn't *promise* to geld him based on the feedback - but I might learn something. :) BTW - recommendations on video cameras gratefully accepted - I missed part of that discussion last week. There are wonderful Grey >stallions like Erland, if you want color and superb confirmation. Erlend is wonderful - but he is related to lots of horses in the PNW - and to many of the greys. And, I think Odin may be better in some areas than Erlend, not as good in others. Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clicker List Web Site : http://clickryder.cjb.net
Re: Need Info.on realtives and carts + gelding for sale
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear janne, i have fair acres knute out of anvil's steinfinn (orrjo and queen) and anvil's fjellrosa (norulv and grabbrosa). he is tall, about 15h, give or take, never measured. denise in rainy, rainy, rainy, northern calif. good for the grass.
Need Info.on realtives and carts + gelding for sale
This message is from: "Janne Myrdal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Greetings from COLD yet almost snowless N. Dakota. I was wondering if anyone out there has any offspring out of Fair Acres Heidi ( Anvil's Steinfinn - Elk Lake's Brita) or Ingrid I (Leik - Heidi II)?? I own both mares, but know both had foals before I bought them a few years ago. I saw Brita at Blue Earth this summer, as weel as some of her offspring, and it is always interesting to see " the family" of my horses. I have a coming 3 year old gelding, Tinngutten, out F. A. Heidi by Sven II and he is my babe, - just curious as to the height of any other of Heidi's offspring as Tinngutten is still growing at 15.1hh. Good thing I guess since I'm 5'10", smile. I remeber there was some discussion of height last year on the list, but I was pre occupied and did not read to much of it. Tinn is very well built and the height seems to have no effect on the "balanced" look of a good fjord. Anyway would love to hear if anyone has any of my two mares offspring. FOR SALE: The other coming 3 year old gelding out of Ingrid I by Sven II is absolutely a beauty and is for sale to the right home. He is currently in Minneapolis in driving training as no sane mind would be training anything in ND at this time of year. Contact me or Betsy for more info on him. Secondly, to those of you in MN or nearby, where is the best place to find a good single, easy acces cart. Any place in Minneapolis etc? e.mail me privately.
Broke-to-death gelding for sale
This message is from: Paula Steinmetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This guy will make someone a wonderful Xmas present!! 14h coming 8 year old Red Dun gelding for sale. He rides, drives, parades and jumps (to 2'9"). Trained in classical dressage, his canter leads and lateral work are confirmed. He has been shown at Training Level and is currently working through first and second level movements - his walk is a "10." A wonderful, confident trail horse; he's about as bombproof as they get! Superb ground manners and absolutely sound. Only clearing room for breeding stock puts this guy on the market - he's a sweetie! He "works" parttime in a therapeutic riding program, but he's rather be someone's fulltime companion horse. Contact me privately for pictures and more info. Paula Steinmetz (262) 251-5727 (evenings) (414) 778-6000 (days)
Gelding for Sale in MA
This message is from: Terry Bruno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A combination of factors, money being not the least of them, have resulted in my decision to offer Patrick up for sale. His driving and riding training is coming along very well and the problems we had with lack of energy last year are all gone. He is young and full of himself and needs to go to the home of an experienced horseperson. This is a very difficult decision for me (I’m crying as I type this) but my family and I feel this is the right thing to do. My trainer (Elsie) on the other hand, thinks he’s just getting better and better and I should keep him. I wish I had the time and money. So here goes: 4 year old Fjord Gelding for Sale located in Massachusetts “Felicity’s Patrick” son of Konggard and Sunday Big, beautiful, friendly Fabulous Mover Trained to drive driven at Weston, South Shore and GMHA pleasure shows in dressage and cones Green broke to ride For more information, call or email Terry Bruno day (617) 806-1891 [EMAIL PROTECTED] night (781) 275-4474 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Gelding
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tami, Please reply to me with more of your friends situation, i.e. stabling, experience, any trainer support after purchase. I may have a horse for you. Karen McCarthy __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Looking for Gelding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello! I am writing the list on behalf of a friend. She is looking for either a haflinger or a fjord ( I'm pushing for the fjord) :-) to drive and ride. She wants a gelding for sure and he needs to be at least 4 years old. If he's started driving and riding that would be great, but not necessarily a requirement. We are in Newberg, OR so something within like 5 or 6 hours would be best. If any of you have or know of a gelding, please e-mail me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks so much. Tami Howard
Fjord cross gelding for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My sister, who is not on the fjord list, is selling her fjord/quarter horse gelding. I thought someone on our list might be interested in contacting her. The ad is as follows: Fjord/Quarter Horse cross for sale. Looks like a fjord (coloring) but built like a quarter horse. Absolutely beautiful buttermilk buckskin gelding. Approximately 8 years old. White and black mane and tail (fjord coloring but soft and fluffy, does not stand up). Dorsal stripe, dark muzzle, dark tipped ears. 15.2 hands. Dark legs, lightly zebra striped. Nice hooves, currently unshod. Long, elegant neck. Great on trails, very steady, does not spook. Has been used as a pack horse in eastern Oregon. Trailers, clips, bathes. Obviously, no papers! $2200. e-mail Chris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call 503-668-3007. Located in Sandy, Oregon.
Person looking for gelding
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a lady that is looking for an OLDER GELDING for a Handicap Facility in Jackson, Wyoming. She is aware of Fjord pricing and needs one that can have back riders. The gelding should be older than 5 years old and can both drive and ride. Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want her name and telephone number. Thank you Catherine Lassesen HESTEHAVEN Where I am practicing for Libby.
Pulling, Gelding Stallions and Mares Cycling
This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My first comment would be in regards to having your farrier or veterinarian decide whether you have a stallion prospect or not. A farrier or veterinarian SHOULD be able to tell about conformation flaws however breed type is not something they would have any idea about. My farrier absolutely loved a 15 1 hand Fjord gelding I purchased that we nicknamed our "Thoroughbred Fjord" because he reminded us more of TB type than Fjord type. This horse had great conformation and a wonderful attitude but his type was totally out of sync with what a Fjord should be. Be careful in regards to judging a colt that is young also. Other than obvious conformational faults, they change a lot before they mature and all seem to go through an "ugly" stage at some point in their development. I'm not advocating keeping all colts in tact until they are older, but be careful in your assessment of a "good" or "bad" colt. No offense Brian and Steve but all veterinarians are not "horse" people. As far as Fjord mares cycling different then other breeds, please explain further. Mine have always cycled pretty much like any other horse. Of course there are individual mares that have never read the book and do their own thing, however, we get many mares of all other breeds in our clinic for AI and there are a few of those that also do some very strange cycles so I would rather think it's an individual "mare" thing rather than a "Fjord" thing. My husband, Rich has done quite a bit of pulling over the past 10 years and has had teams that do very well (actually placing at draft horse pulls) and also has had horses that do not have the mind for pulling. Our best is a gelding "Anvil's Birger". He can pull and then be hooked to a cart or wagon and do fine. He truly is the exception as my feelings are that most horses can pull periodically but if that is all they do, they get that "pulling mentality". Rich works his teams in the woods quite a bit. Two years ago he logged 120,000 board feet one winter. He worked 6 days a week and his team was really "fit". Made him feel good when he went down to the barn in the morning and held out the collar and Birger put in head right in it - - never hesitated. Anyway he only entered the "fun" and "barnyard" pulls (the professionals really play hardball and some do use very controversial "training" methods) and placed near the top in every one against mostly Belgians. My personal opinion is that pulling itself is not cruel. It's one of those sports that people who are too competitive have made cruel, both by the training methods used and not knowing their horses well enough to stop when they have had enough. We sold a team to some VERY elderly people for driving. Heard later that they not only drove this pair EVERY day but would enter a pony pull periodically and had NEVER lost. I heard this from a very irate puller (who had just lost to them). He said he'd never seen anything like it - - the man couldn't walk very fast and his wife hooked the team and she was all bent over. The team just stood patiently and when the guy took hold of the lines and said "Let's go boy's" they just walked off with the load. This guy was s mad - sure those fjords were bigger than they measured. He didn't know who he was complaining to. Rich and I chuckled for weeks over that one. OK I'm going to quit chatting now. Sorry for being long-winded. I just have so much more energy with that heat index below 110! Nancy
Starfire Farm's gelding for sale
This message is from: Nancy Lehnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply to Beth's question about the conformation of a gelding out of Ellen by Glengard: Yes, Beth, based on my experience with the siblings of Ellen by Glengard all have a little more "uphill" conformation by the time they mature. Plus, they have been good minded horses with a nice forward attitude. Ellen is 15-2 hands tall but didn't reach that height until she was between age 5 & 6. Glengard was 14 hands. Iree was the tallest Fjord colt I have ever seen born and really hand a growth spurt as a yearling. Ellen is a great driving mare both single and as a pair and Glengard was a good driving horse also, so hopefully Iree will be also. Happy Trails . . . Nancy Bigfork, Montana [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nancysfjordhorses.com
Re: Gelding guys-why not girls?
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alex I am sure you know re AI that some breeders still do not know that certain plastic pipettes can kill the semen? Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 7:05 AM Subject: Re: Gelding guys-why not girls? >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>time. Horses are not that easy to impregnate: ask someone who >has tried AI (artificial insemination) for three years running without >any resulting foal. Keeping a mare from being bred is relatively >>ten days previously and said nothing about her being pregnant. >Thanks for asking the question. >Alex Wind >
Re: Gelding guys-why not girls?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Teressa, The reason is that the surgery for females is much more involved than the surgery for males. The gelding procedure can be done on the farm, and the recovery is almost immediate; whereas a mare would require major hospitalization, and recovery time. Horses are not that easy to impregnate: ask someone who has tried AI (artificial insemination) for three years running without any resulting foal. Keeping a mare from being bred is relatively simple. But I do have one gelding, named Surprize, whose mother was boarded at a farm where a neighboring farm owner ran a herd of (essentially) wild horses and one of the stallions jumped the fence, bred my mare, jumped back out, unseen by human eyes, and you can imagine my surprise when I went to put the fly masks on and found a foal on the ground. The vet had examined said mare ten days previously and said nothing about her being pregnant. Thanks for asking the question. Alex Wind
Re: Gelding guys-why not girls?
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Teressa Kandianis wrote: > Another stupid question from a beginner. Why are mares not fixed as well if > they have undesirable qualities? Teressa Mainly because the operation is much more involved, since the vet has to get in there and remove the ovaries, while testicles are conveniently accessible on the outside of the horse. Also a stallion needs a lot more specialized management which would be a waste of time if you weren't going to breed him -- but a mare is pretty easy to keep, entire or not. Mares who have behaviour problems associated with their heat cycles (due to hormone imbalances) and are not destined for breeding are sometimes spayed though. Lori PS - I've heard that the only stupid question is the one you didn't ask.
Gelding guys-why not girls?
This message is from: "Teressa Kandianis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Another stupid question from a beginner. Why are mares not fixed as well if they have undesirable qualities? Teressa
Gelding for sale
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, We have a nice fjord gelding for sale right now. He is 4 years old, stands 15.1 hh. He is by Glengard (from Nancy Lehnert's herd) out of Ellen. He's a nice mover, with a good, strong hip. His withers are level with his croup right now, but looks like he might continue growing to have a little more "uphill" conformation. If you read this, Nancy, maybe you can confirm, based on your experience with his siblings, if this might be true. He's had some very nice riding training (no driving); walk, trot, canter, trail riding; and is now learning his leads. Anyone who might be interested, please e-mail us privately @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Beth
Re: Gelding
This message is from: Julia Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The conditions he is in are HORRIBLE!!! I never cease to be amazed at how many of these "rescue" Fjords are out there!!! >marking/color issues she was concerned about. He has no striping on his legs >-- at all. She says not even faint striping. His dorsal strip is VERY faint >and his coloring is a very, very light almost white yellow. He could be a very pale brown dun, or a white dun. Or a cross-bred??? I would suggest they examine his registration papers, and perhaps check with the breeder. There is a Jodi Curry in Brewster, Wa. 509-923-2433. Not all Fjords have leg markings or dark dorsal strips, so that alone does not indicate a problem. I hope you will let us know how this turns out! >Julie ~ Old Hickory Farm >
Re: Gelding
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tami, This is just a color variation, NOT a sign of lesser quality, (altho his condition sounds bad). Check out the page on colors of the fjord horse http://www.bluebirdlane.com/colour.html This fjord could be a very light red dun, an Uls dun (pale or white dun) or a rare yellow. does he have a dark stripe in his mane? Or a pale yellow stripe? What is his breeding, dam and sire? Red duns often do not have stripes on the legs, and sometimes no stripe in the mane. Also check out the article on color. on the NFHR web site http://www.nfhr.com/Colors.htm and the article by Phil Sponenberg on the NFHR web site under texts and documents. Sounds like someone should get him out of there and take care of him! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it has rained for the last 10 days :( 02:23 PM 7/27/99 EDT, you wrote: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Hello list! I am new to the Fjord world and I have a friend who is looking >at a yearling Fjord gelding. The conditions he is in are HORRIBLE!!! It >is very sad. Aside from being wormy (he looks pregnant) there were some >marking/color issues she was concerned about. He has no striping on his legs >-- at all. She says not even faint striping. His dorsal strip is VERY faint >and his coloring is a very, very light almost white yellow. He is somewhere >here in Oregon, but was bred by Judy Curry in Brewster, WA. She is wondering >if his lack of leg markings and faint dorsal and pale color are indicative of >a "lesser" quality bloodline or merely a lack of nutrition. Any help would >be so GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! > >Tami > > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gelding
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear tami. i think the basic coloring is there to stay but the coat might improve with deworming and better nutrition. as for the stripping on back and legs; some fjords just have darkened legs and their midline stripe is skinnier and less dense. i don't know about the breeding part of it. is he registered? a cross ? just thoughts, denise - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Gelding > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello list! I am new to the Fjord world and I have a friend who is looking > at a yearling Fjord gelding. The conditions he is in are HORRIBLE!!! It > is very sad. Aside from being wormy (he looks pregnant) there were some > marking/color issues she was concerned about. He has no striping on his legs > -- at all. She says not even faint striping. His dorsal strip is VERY faint > and his coloring is a very, very light almost white yellow. He is somewhere > here in Oregon, but was bred by Judy Curry in Brewster, WA. She is wondering > if his lack of leg markings and faint dorsal and pale color are indicative of > a "lesser" quality bloodline or merely a lack of nutrition. Any help would > be so GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! > > Tami >
Re: Gelding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list! I am new to the Fjord world and I have a friend who is looking at a yearling Fjord gelding. The conditions he is in are HORRIBLE!!! It is very sad. Aside from being wormy (he looks pregnant) there were some marking/color issues she was concerned about. He has no striping on his legs -- at all. She says not even faint striping. His dorsal strip is VERY faint and his coloring is a very, very light almost white yellow. He is somewhere here in Oregon, but was bred by Judy Curry in Brewster, WA. She is wondering if his lack of leg markings and faint dorsal and pale color are indicative of a "lesser" quality bloodline or merely a lack of nutrition. Any help would be so GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! Tami
Re: Gelding
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear cindy, thanks for the numbe. i called today. the lady said the horse was probably sold. someone in calif. was very interested and she had sent along some photos. the horse is smaller than i was lookinf for. thanks anyway. be followoing the list along with you. denise delgado - Original Message - From: Cindy Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Gelding > This message is from: "Cindy Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear Denise, > > I don't believe the gelding was abused. I just think he has been the family > pet since he had a runaway with the owner and cart. The owner does not ride, > so he hasn't been ridden. She has owned him for 4 years and he hasn't been > worked for at least the past two years since the runaway. I think the owner > got scared after the accident and the horse has just sat. She is asking > $2000 and lives in Chino Valley, AZ. She had the horse advertised in the > Bridle & Bit an AZ horse paper. I think the horse has potential but would > required a lot of time and dedication. He hasn't been in a trailer in a > number of years, so that might be the first lesson. In my personal opinion, > the price is high for the work needed. I looked at his pedigree, but since > I'm not to familiar with the different bloodlines, I couldn't tell much from > it. He was originally from New Mexico. I hope this answers some of your > questions. If you still want to inquire further with the owner, I will > forward her number. > > Cindy > > >
GELDING FOR SALE
This message is from: Jackie Bellerive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good afternoon from Dave & Jackie Bellerive at Gabriel Creek Ranch in Canada. Horses have COGGINS & HEALTH CERTIFICATE Completed. They have their feet done regularly, all shots are updated and horses are dewormed. We have three great geldings for sale. All of them drive. All of them ride in an arena, on the trails and use with cattle. All can be ridden anywhere by beginner riders children or adults. HARRY - 12 years old gelding. The next thing to a BOMBPROOF HORSE. He has been used on kids camps for beginners and used as a lesson horse. He is very calm, not spooky. He crosses creeks and mud. He loads, clips and bathes well. Easy to catch. He is good with his feet. He has a beautiful head with kind, sweet manners. He is well trained. He 14.1 hh with a long tail. Wonderful safe gelding $3500 US. SLIM - 10 years old gelding. He is good looking horse. He is 14.2 hh and is being used also at kids camps. He has perfect manners. He has a nice rocking chair canter. He would be ideal for pony club or 4H. Excellent Horse. $3000 US. MIKE - 12 years old gelding. He is a horse you would be proud of and happy to own. He is 14.1 hh. He is a good head and good looks. He is being used at kids camps. He is a great trail horse. Well trained and dependable. $2500 US. Those interested, please contact us privately. Email us at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gelding
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear cindy, my computer was giving me fits yesterday. did you get my message? i wanted to call the lady about the gelding in chino valley. thanks, denise in nothern calif, cool and comfortable. - Original Message - From: Cindy Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Gelding > This message is from: "Cindy Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear Denise, > > I don't believe the gelding was abused. I just think he has been the family > pet since he had a runaway with the owner and cart. The owner does not ride, > so he hasn't been ridden. She has owned him for 4 years and he hasn't been > worked for at least the past two years since the runaway. I think the owner > got scared after the accident and the horse has just sat. She is asking > $2000 and lives in Chino Valley, AZ. She had the horse advertised in the > Bridle & Bit an AZ horse paper. I think the horse has potential but would > required a lot of time and dedication. He hasn't been in a trailer in a > number of years, so that might be the first lesson. In my personal opinion, > the price is high for the work needed. I looked at his pedigree, but since > I'm not to familiar with the different bloodlines, I couldn't tell much from > it. He was originally from New Mexico. I hope this answers some of your > questions. If you still want to inquire further with the owner, I will > forward her number. > > Cindy > > >
Re: Gelding
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear cindy, thanks for the info. yes, i would like more info from the owner. would you send along her address please? how did you find out about this horse? curious, denise in no. cal - Original Message - From: Cindy Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Gelding > This message is from: "Cindy Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear Denise, > > I don't believe the gelding was abused. I just think he has been the family > pet since he had a runaway with the owner and cart. The owner does not ride, > so he hasn't been ridden. She has owned him for 4 years and he hasn't been > worked for at least the past two years since the runaway. I think the owner > got scared after the accident and the horse has just sat. She is asking > $2000 and lives in Chino Valley, AZ. She had the horse advertised in the > Bridle & Bit an AZ horse paper. I think the horse has potential but would > required a lot of time and dedication. He hasn't been in a trailer in a > number of years, so that might be the first lesson. In my personal opinion, > the price is high for the work needed. I looked at his pedigree, but since > I'm not to familiar with the different bloodlines, I couldn't tell much from > it. He was originally from New Mexico. I hope this answers some of your > questions. If you still want to inquire further with the owner, I will > forward her number. > > Cindy > > >
Re: Gelding
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear cindy, give me some more info on this horse. was he abused? what kind of wreck? why has he not been ridden? what is the story with his stopping problem? where is he located? this is denise in northern calif. please send address or number if possible. i too hate to see a good horse wasted. - Original Message - From: Cindy Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 9:39 AM Subject: Gelding > This message is from: "Cindy Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I went to look at an 8yr old Fjord this weekend that is for sale here > locally. The ad stated needs work. He seems very sweet, but hasn't been > worked with in over 2yrs. He had a carriage accident with his current owner > ( had another carriage accident with prior owner), hasn't been worked with > since. Hasn't been ridden in over 4yrs. Basically the training would have to > start from scratch, and I am not sure about his driving potential given the > bad history. Overweight and in need of some major feet trimming and possible > corrective shoeing. This could be a good project horse for someone, I am > just not sure this would be a good first fjord for me. I would buy him out > of sympathy, but that is not really what should make a decision. If anyone > is interested, I could give you the name & # of the owner (email me > privately). It was a little sad to see such a wonderful breed just standing > in a corral for 2 yrs. I hate to see that with any breed, but unfortunately > it happens very often. > > Cindy > AZ > > >
Re: Gelding
This message is from: "Cindy Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Denise, I don't believe the gelding was abused. I just think he has been the family pet since he had a runaway with the owner and cart. The owner does not ride, so he hasn't been ridden. She has owned him for 4 years and he hasn't been worked for at least the past two years since the runaway. I think the owner got scared after the accident and the horse has just sat. She is asking $2000 and lives in Chino Valley, AZ. She had the horse advertised in the Bridle & Bit an AZ horse paper. I think the horse has potential but would required a lot of time and dedication. He hasn't been in a trailer in a number of years, so that might be the first lesson. In my personal opinion, the price is high for the work needed. I looked at his pedigree, but since I'm not to familiar with the different bloodlines, I couldn't tell much from it. He was originally from New Mexico. I hope this answers some of your questions. If you still want to inquire further with the owner, I will forward her number. Cindy
Gelding
This message is from: "Cindy Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I went to look at an 8yr old Fjord this weekend that is for sale here locally. The ad stated needs work. He seems very sweet, but hasn't been worked with in over 2yrs. He had a carriage accident with his current owner ( had another carriage accident with prior owner), hasn't been worked with since. Hasn't been ridden in over 4yrs. Basically the training would have to start from scratch, and I am not sure about his driving potential given the bad history. Overweight and in need of some major feet trimming and possible corrective shoeing. This could be a good project horse for someone, I am just not sure this would be a good first fjord for me. I would buy him out of sympathy, but that is not really what should make a decision. If anyone is interested, I could give you the name & # of the owner (email me privately). It was a little sad to see such a wonderful breed just standing in a corral for 2 yrs. I hate to see that with any breed, but unfortunately it happens very often. Cindy AZ
Gelding
This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well I have a gelding for sale, since it was asked about. He is very well broke, mellow and loves people and just being messed with. He has been a winning show horse, but since living here, is mostly used used on trails and is green broke to drive. He is too peppy to send a total novice out on the trail alone with, but I have used him as a schooling horse and he was very calm with his rider. Not bomb proof, whatever that is, but a pretty good guy. He is in Portland Oregon right now, being played with by a 15 year old 4H gal and she says she lays across his back bareback with her heels on his neck and her head pillowed on his rump and she kinda cruises around that way on him in the paddock. I certainly don't recommend that somewhat stange riding position, but she feels comfortable with it. It is my opinion that 12-16 year old girls are the real horse whisperers in the world. They just don't take no for an answer. My husband says, "Well, they have infinite patience. Anyone that can spend 8 hours at a time combing Barbies hair--well, a horse just doesn't have a chance with that." Ha. And speaking of totally mellow Fjords, I have to mention my filly Amma again. Is anyone looking for a horse to be a total pal? She is very very cute, correct and sweet as can be. She just has to have a home with some one who needs a special pal. Also getting a kick out of our newest addition, Hugin. It's been hovering near the 100's here for days. Being only a few days old, I was concerned about him. But he loves to stand in the low sided rubber water pan and just splash and splash. At least here is one Fjord who is not shy of water! I just get such a laugh out of him. Especially when he splashes mom--who is not amused. Ha. Misha
Re: New foals, BEARS, Colored Fjords, Gelding SOLD
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone from warm, ( 87 ) overcast, humid : ( So. Calif.Ek. Hope everyone has a wonderful holiday weekend planned, we are stuck in a holding pattern, watching this eating machine mare, that is now due to foal. ( 30th ) We ran a cable from our old cam corder, to our VCR, strung it up over her stall with baling twine, ( very high tech ) and watch her big belly twich and jump from our recliner chair. We have caught all other foalings here using this method, just a little tough when there is a breeze, makes you a bit sea sick ! So far, shes all bagged up, nipples full, softend up back end, VERY uncomfortable, but no waxW I want wax!!! My mare streams milk on her last day, so we always know, but this one is going to try and trick us. ; ( Congrats Suzan on your new foal.! I would tease you about taking a refresher class in A+P, but have prob. heard it by now. Sophie is a tough one to change to a male sounding name, so would suggest picking out a new name ASAP to avoid gender confusion. Cant wait to see him in July ! BTW my Belgian is named Sophie. I have an opinion on BEAR SIGHTINGS while trail riding. YOU ARE WAY TOO CLOSE TO THAT BEAR ! ! ! I heard that some old packers in Mt. call those little bells you can hang off your horse, DINNER BELLS.enough said on that ! Interesting thread on the colors of the Fjords, I have a mare, very light, almost white, with a black stripe, that is out of Leigjo N-1945, the imported Stallion who has sired some white / light Fjords. I sure would love a picture of him, ( Anita ) if you are still on the list. Will send you some of Jule'. Diane, I also love the Durango area of Colorado, and also up the hill from you in Uray (sp?) May be seeing the sites there this summer. Michele, I own a filly " Oscars Sweet Korina " out of Opal, your new mare. I remember her, she is LOVELY and I will be interested to see Korinas sibling, who is she bred too? Korina is a sweet, beautiful tall filly, who is begining to assert herself in the herd, by keeping her buddies away from the feed ! Cant wait till she slows down growing a bit, typical 2 yr old butt in the air, and all legs. * Jackie ( PAV AUSSIE ) and I are playing hookey this weekend, for the Holiday, so there will be NO FJORD CHAT this Sun. evening. We will be back next week at 9 PM Eastern time, horse room # 1, at PetsandVets. Last but not least..Thanks for all the interest in our big Gelding we offered for sale, Knute was sold yesterday, and left this AM for No. Calif. Knute will be ridden by a nice lady, Denise, for trail, and some playing gymcanna. Hope we sparked an interest in her to drive him, and we are sure glad to sell Knute to such a wonderful home ! Miss him already.Congratulations Denise ! Be safe everyone, wear those helmets, and drive a little too fast ! Lisa Pedersen PAV FJORDS
Re: Looking for a fjord gelding
This message is from: Carole Nuckton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, Joel in Oregon told me about him. Sounds very interesting. I just got back from Mexico for a week and have 106 email messages! I'll get back to you with questions.
Re: Gelding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry to take so long to reply,I was on holiday in Norway also. I hope you had a nice trip to Britain and the weather was ok Well i guess the reason you didnt see any Fjords is because Britain only has about 200 we are abit thin on the ground over here, most are in the south east and south west (a stud in Devon) A few in wales , a handful in the Midlands, 1 in Derdyshire, 2 in Yorkshire,one or two in Lancashire and afew in scotland and I think thats it. My Fjord gelding Buller came from Denmark he's 12 yrs old, I like going on long rides with him ,I also drive him,my friend Emma takes him to dressage shows, Shows for world breeds are also thin on the ground over here but we try to get to as many as possible. otherwise we just go in Hunter classes ,that sort of thing Mostly the judges havent got a clue what he is , but most of all we have fun! Happy Fjording Fiona,Buller ,Billy and Sadie very wet in Yorkshire today
Re: Looking for a fjord gelding
This message is from: Jackie Bellerive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carole Nuckton wrote: > > This message is from: Carole Nuckton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'm very interested in finding a nice, middle-aged, > trained-to-ride, smallish gelding for trail riding and showing in > local shows (Western Pleasure). I'm not at all interested in > driving. I'm in my 60s, so want something perfectly safe. > > I have a wonderful 18-year-old black Arab gelding, Zeb, whom I board > at an excellent stable in Bend. I ride a lot--five days a week, even > in the winter. I want a second horse to give Zeb a break, for my > husband to ride when Zeb and I go to the mountains, for my friends to > ride when I go out on Zeb, for Sharon our trainer to use in her kids' > riding program, and for me to love. > > P.S. I'll be in Mexico from the 8th through the 13th, so won't be > answering my emails for awhile after tomorrow, the 7th. Hi, I have a fjord gelding 11 years old and 14.1 hh. He has a nice head and good confirmation. He was trained to drive. He has used alot for trail riding. He is very calm, stands still to get on, easy to catch. Loads and trailer well. He sound and reliable. The only reason why we are selling him, we live on a farm and are moving to the city for health reasons. I want Ike to go to a good home. We are asking $2500.00 canadian. Please email me if you have any questions. Jackie Alberta, Canada
Re: Gelding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Fiona! I don't have an answer to your question re: Fjord skin, but I am interested in Fjord owners in England. My husband is from High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. We own a soon to be 9yr old gelding named "Green Briar Jock" who is "sweet as the day is long". I ride English-no driving yet. We were just in England and Scotland the beginning of April. I saw loads of horses everywhere, but not one Fjord. Are they few and far between there? Do you ride, drive, show yours? How are they received there? Hope you don't mind all the questions-if you have time, I'd love to hear from you. Sincerely, Joni Griffin (Milwaukee, Wisconsin U.S.A.)
Looking for a fjord gelding
This message is from: Carole Nuckton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm very interested in finding a nice, middle-aged, trained-to-ride, smallish gelding for trail riding and showing in local shows (Western Pleasure). I'm not at all interested in driving. I'm in my 60s, so want something perfectly safe. I have a wonderful 18-year-old black Arab gelding, Zeb, whom I board at an excellent stable in Bend. I ride a lot--five days a week, even in the winter. I want a second horse to give Zeb a break, for my husband to ride when Zeb and I go to the mountains, for my friends to ride when I go out on Zeb, for Sharon our trainer to use in her kids' riding program, and for me to love. P.S. I'll be in Mexico from the 8th through the 13th, so won't be answering my emails for awhile after tomorrow, the 7th.
Re: BIG Gelding for sale / Show Prospect Ride, Drive !
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List, from warm and sunny So. Calif. ! Returned from another road trip, only to catch up with the most recent sniping on this list. Too bad..and so unnessary. The combined wealth of information that could be gained from such experienced Fjord folks, gets ( at least on my computer ) quickly scrolled through, and delited. I used to glean whatever information I could, now I avoid their posts. We are all differant, express ourselves in differant ways, and all have a common interest in Fjords. The on-line jabs should be taken off-line. Im bored to tears with it. On to more worthy stuff.. : ) I am offering a wonderful Fjord Gelding for sale. " Knute " is 7, NFHR Registered. Professionally trained to RIDE, DRIVE Single and Pairs. He is TALL, BIG Bodied, and fit. My 6'5 husband looks good on him. A Dressage, CD prospect. Very athletic and forward. Light on the bit, long gaits. He is reponsive and easy to get along with. Trailers, clips, ties, hitch's well. Being ridden by experience young girl, driven by us. Gets along in a herd, loves babies! Sound, healthy, happy. No vices. Health and soundness guaranteed. Finished his training, and can go compete this season. Located in So. Calif. possible to transport. Sadly selling due to new foal and to pay for sons show horse ( packer ) Many people are looking for a big, broke young gelding like this, well started, and doing several disaplines. There are not too many for sale. I have ad's comming out Nationally in next 2 weeks, but will offer a lower price to list subscribers. Photos, and video available for serious inquirys. $ 5,700 eleswhere. $ 5,200 here. Transport discount possible. TERMS. Jeff or Lisa Pedersen Pedersens Fjords ** I have not had time to check out the chat room located here at the list. Thanks to Steve, we now have several options to communicate ! We have had alot of fun in our weekly chat at PetsandVets, and will continue to meet every Sun. night 9:00 PM Eastern time, horse room # 1. Jackie ( PAV Aussie ) and I enjoy meeting new people each week, and hope you join us this Sun. night for scheduled chat ! PAV FJORDS Have a good week everyone ! Heres a link to PetsandVets..Lisa http://www.petsandvets.com/";>PETS AND VETS http://volano1.suresite.com/petsvets/vcclient/horsechat.html";>HORSE CHAT ROOM
Gelding
This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all. I am thinking about selling my 14 year old gelding but i want a really good home for him because he is a nice guy. He is sound and a 14.2 brown dun and has been shown and won blue ribbons at Libby in trail, English and Western pleasure. He is easy to load, shoe, bathe, clip, whatever, very handleable. he is used to rugged trails and has a lot of get up and go. he was also in training level dressage and is green broke to drive. If the buyer is into Parelli, he is ready to pass his level one test right now. He gets along well with other horses too. My reason for selling? Well, being a breeding operation, I need to get some more fillies...so--reluctantly, I am going to offer him up for sale. he is fine for an intermediate rider but not a novice as he is pretty energetic. So--please pass it on. Thanks, Misha
Gelding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello I dont write very often to the list ,just read, but my friend asked if I could enquire on the list, something her vet asked her? My friend Sue had her young colt Eric gelded last week,Sues Fjords are the first her vet has seen, the vet was very surprised at how tough Erics skin was to cut! The vet asked was it a breed trait ,very tough skin or just Eric? Thanks Fiona Nicholsonwet and windy in Yorkshire, England
Re: I love my gelding!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Fjord Fans! I don't often pop in with anything, but felt I needed to brag a bit about my wonderful gelding. Patrick (registered name Reidar) has been with my daughter Maggie and me for almost 1.5 years. He was in the fall of his second year when we purchased him. Certainly we've had our ups and downs with him because of his youth. However, he has remained gentle and patient with us. We discovered last summer we had pushed him too fast and decided to take his training back to basics. He has responded beautifully and has the most forgiving nature. As Patrick moves into his 4th year we are excited about the possibilities he offers us. In our eyes he is a pure champion! My heart just sores when I see him. To ride him is a pleasure! I'm so thankful for geldings! They are the level headed gentlemen that people like Maggie and me need to have in our lives. As Patrick gains a couple more years of maturity I know he will be one of the most trustworthy mounts any one could ask for! It will be exciting to see him show this year! Hurray for geldings! Pat McCurdy Cato, N.Y.
Re: Gelding for Sale SE Mass.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I would be most interested in getting the womans name and address. My e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sincerely, Lesa Bauman
Re: Gelding for Sale SE Mass.
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, L.L.C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Terry-- We read your post and would be interested in knowing more, or getting some contact information from you about the "fat and happy" Fjord in SE Mass. We are in Colorado and have come across several people who are looking for "trained" geldings for both riding and driving. Perhaps this gelding would be right for one of them. Thanks, in advance, Sandy and Beth Starfire Farm, LLC Berthoud, CO
Gelding for Sale SE Mass.
This message is from: Terry Bruno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I heard from a vet in my area that there is a Fjord Gelding for sale in SE Massachusetts. He said he thought he was about 10 years old, fat and happy but underworked. He said the woman who owns him doesn't have enough time to work him and therefore he's for sale. When I asked how tall he was the vet said "Oh, about average Fjord size, 15hh", When he saw the look on my face, he then said it's hard to say how big he is, since he's so stocky, he looks bigger than he is. He says he's healthy, rides and drives and has a sweet temperament. I'm tempted myself but can't afford another horse and have no place to keep him. If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I'll get the woman's name and number from the vet. Terry Bruno Bedford, MA
Re: Win a Gelding Fjord
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the current status on the Fjord contest as far as time left to enter and # of tickets sold to date? Merek
Win a Gelding...
This message is from: "duane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, Sorry but I haven't been on that long and missed the posting about the tickets. I'd be in for some if I knew where I could send for the tickets. You can respond to me personally at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or through the list since there might be other ones out there who'd need the info too. Thanks a lot. Duane White
Re: Win a Gelding Fjord
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Catherine-- Thursday, December 03, 1998, you wrote: > 12 days left to purchase drawing tickets to win a gelding weanling Fjording! This is *really* coincidental. I was just looking at the picture of the baby on your Web site when this message came in. He's really cute. Of course I guess it's hard for a Fjord baby to not be cute. -- Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA Princes learn no art truly but the art of horsemanship. The reason is the brave beast is no flatterer. --Ben Jonson(1572-1637)
Re: Win a Gelding Fjord
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/3/98 17:51:38 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Hello, it did not rain in Days Creek, OR, today! ;-) 12 days left to purchase drawing tickets to win a gelding weanling Fjording! $10.00 a ticket only 1500 sold. Right now there are only 400 sold. >> It didn't rain here in Hillsboro Oregon today either! YAY!!! But the property just North of us is flooded under 5 feet of water from the last few weeks of rain. It's a golf course, and the golfers can't get over the lake to play. So I won't be finding any more golf balls in MY pastures for a while!!! S tempting to buy a ticket for another fjord. So tempting. Do you mind if I forward your post to a friend of mine in NY who really wants a fjord? Bet she'd buy a few tickets from you. Pamela
Win a Gelding Fjord
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello, it did not rain in Days Creek, OR, today! ;-) 12 days left to purchase drawing tickets to win a gelding weanling Fjording! $10.00 a ticket only 1500 sold. Right now there are only 400 sold. This drawing benefits "HOLD YOUR HORSES, INC!", a handicap riding facility.(non-profit corporation in California) It was going to be their big fundraiser of the year. Interested? Send a check made out to HOLD YOUR HORSES, INC for $10.00 each ticket that you want. Send name, address, city, state, zip code plus telephone number. I will send you the stub and forward your entry and check to HYH. The gelding is out of our mare "Serina" and Anvil's Oluf. He will be a little drafty. He's cute and smart. Thanks, Catherine Lassesen c/o HESTEHAVEN P.O. Box 160 Days Creek, OR 97429 HESTEHAVEN - The Horse Garden www.thehorsegarden.com
Re: Advertising Test - Well Trained Gelding For Sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol, I would like to say that your advertisement was too 'wordy'!!! What happened to the saying "For more information" What do you think Steve? Regards, Bernadine Karns in Michigan
Re: Advertising Test - Well Trained Gelding For Sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Nancy Hotovy's comments about not being able to keep "well trained horses on the farm" caught my eye because we have an extremely WELL TRAINED Fjord for sale. He's a 12 yr. old gelding named BDF Didrik, and he's a wondeful riding horse with years of experience. He's tall, big, gorgeous, and also professionally trained to dirve. So, let's see how fast he flies off our farm. Sire: BDF Torolf. Dam: Wilma, an imported Dutch mare. The sire, BDF Torolf, has been working in a pair for many years for Janet Voeltz in Wisconsin with another son, BDF Einar. They've been successfull in combined driving, pleasure shows, demos, and parades. (They did the Great Milwaukee Circus Parade.) ---BDF Didrik is 14.2 hands. BDF Didrik is very dark colored. Upheaded with a beautifully sculpted head, and huge, expressive dark eyes. ---He's had a lot of work and training. Has been fox hunted, and in steady work with us for seven months with daily dressage riding, trails, and beach rides. Our Nova Scotia Driving Vacation guests rode him all during the summer. Didrik is an unusually good riding horse being very light in the mouth (snaffle bit) and light in hand. Didrik has a wonderful canter which is easy for him to achieve and sustain. --- Didrik has recently been professionally trained to drive. He took to it easily and has proved a very good driving horse with a lot of class, and bravery. Currently, he's driven cross country in a Meadowbrook cart with a rubber snaffle in his mouth. --- He is not the least flighty or spooky. We had one incident in his early training where the shaft got wedged behind a fence post. He was snubbed up but good. However, he didn't panic, but stood still until we got him out. We were some impressed!!! - Didrik's stable manners are excellent. He's not pushy, and is totally obedient. --- Does this sound like a WONDER HORSE or what? And would you believe? He's selling for only $6500. --- So, let's see if Nancy's right, and this very nice, well trained Fjord with super manners, and excellent temperament will soon be flying out of our barn. You'll have no problem buying horses from Canada. It's no different than buying in the States. Beaver Dam Farm horses go to the States almost monthsly. We arrange all paperwork (Coggins & Health Paper) for shipment to the States. There is no quarantine or duty. Transport is quite reasonable. For instance, we can ship to a layover stable in MD for under $400, and from there professional transporters go regularly North to South, and East to West. Call or email privately to learn more about this gorgeous gelding. Complete video available for a small fee. Best Regards, Carol Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Tank's gelding episode
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN) Steve and Cynthia, You wrote about Tank that, "As he became more conscious he realized he was lying right in the middle of a lush patch of grass and clover". Let's see then; All Tank remembers was getting a shot from the vet, and then waking up in a patch of beautiful clover. It doesn't get any more humane than that! He probably wishes he could be gelded again! Brian Jacobsen Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Gelding
This message is from: saskia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean, >Brian and Saskia, Remember the Fjord is a stoic creature, not showing pain >like the throughbred or quarter and arabian. yes, but Janosch is a Shetland-pony and they're a breed that feel very quickly very sorry for themselves!!! :-) (don't they, Fiona?). Though they have in common with Fjords that they forget everyting when there's a carrot on stage! Saskia
Gelding,
This message is from: Pat Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Brian your explanation was well rounded. Pat
Re: Gelding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Brian and Saskia, Remember the Fjord is a stoic creature, not showing pain like the throughbred or quarter and arabian. My boy did not show intense pain for twenty four hours with his twisted gut. Jean >This message is from: saskia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi, > >Brian, thanks for the interesting text on gelding! > >>To me, laying a colt down completely, the way your veterinarians do it >>now, is the most humane. >it was done with Janosch that way. He was put totally asleep but in a >light sleep that only lasted 15 minutes, so it had to be done quickly. >I had been very worried about the reaction of Janosch on this operation >(pain, anger, etc.), but nothing of that all. He woke up, scrabbled to >his feet, and after some minutes, he began to graze as if nothing had >happened and has never shown signs of pain. It was a big relief. > >Saskia > Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Re: Gelding
This message is from: saskia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, Brian, thanks for the interesting text on gelding! >To me, laying a colt down completely, the way your veterinarians do it >now, is the most humane. it was done with Janosch that way. He was put totally asleep but in a light sleep that only lasted 15 minutes, so it had to be done quickly. I had been very worried about the reaction of Janosch on this operation (pain, anger, etc.), but nothing of that all. He woke up, scrabbled to his feet, and after some minutes, he began to graze as if nothing had happened and has never shown signs of pain. It was a big relief. Saskia
Re[2]: Gelding
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brian-- Friday, Friday, November 13, 1998, you wrote: > So to me, and I think it would be hard to argue, this last method, > or laying them down with anesthetics, is the most humane. When Tank was gelded, our veterinarian laid him down in the nice grassy back yard of the stable owner's house. After the procedure, he rolled up with his feet under him but still lying down. As he became more conscious he realized he was lying right in the middle of a lush patch of grass and clover. He immediately dropped his muzzle and began to eat, not stopping until he had cleared everything he could reach without moving. Then he got up and continued eating. Our vet said she had never seen anything like that before. Of course, he was her first Norwegian Eating Machine. -- Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA There is no secret so close as that between a rider and his horse. --Robert Smith Surtees(1803-1864)
Re: Gelding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN) Pat, To me, laying a colt down completely, the way your veterinarians do it now, is the most humane. "Banding", as you described seeing in France is not a satisfactory method in my opinion. Truthfully, I think it is only painful to the horse for a little while (several hours maybe) until the scrotal and testicular tissue has "died". Anotherwards, it would feel something like us putting a tight rubber band around a finger; It hurts at first but before long it goes to sleep. But it is not uncommon to for part of the epididymus or part of the testicle even to be missed because they are held so close to the horse's body. Another complication would be maggot infestation as the tissue was drying up and falling off. Strictly on the basis of how humane the procedure is, it would be hard to judge between banding and standing castration. We do the standing castration sometimes, and there is no question the horse feels it more than if he were anesthetized and lying on the ground. However, if the sedative mixture we use affects the horse the way we hope (they all respond a little differently), sometimes they never even budge. For those not familiar with a standing castration, here is some history. Years ago, before sedatives were available, the only way to geld a horse was to lay him down on the ground and stretch him out with ropes tied to his legs. This obviously was traumatic and extremely painful to the horse. Ether then started being used to some extent, and the horse was "knocked out" and didn't feel anything. Eventually, the more modern sedatives and anesthetics were discovered, and they fine tuned the process even more, making it a much safer procedure. Some people though, most notably race horse owners and trainers, believed that if a horse was ever anesthetized, it "took something out of him" and he was never as good again. So standing castrations started being performed on some horses. Another reason some owners prefer the standing procedure is that, rarely, a horse will be hurt while laying down (falling down in many cases) from the anesthetics, or while getting back up during when recovery. In the standing castration, the horse is sedated heavily enough to make him sleepy and even a bit wobbly. The twitch is applied to his nose to keep him still and help keep him from kicking. Usually, lidocaine (like novacaine at the dentist's) is injected to try to desensitize the nerves in the castration area. So the standing procedure may be a little safer for the horse, but he almost always feels it more. Interestingly, even when we "knock one out" completely and lay them on the ground for the castration procedure, most of them still feel it a little. During certain parts of the procedure they will try to pull the testicle you are working on back up to their body, or even flex a leg a little. That's because this level of anesthesia is not quite the full anesthesia like if they were actually in a surgery room and breathing the inhalant anesthetics. However, for all practical purposes they feel it very little and don't seem to remember it. So to me, and I think it would be hard to argue, this last method, or laying them down with anesthetics, is the most humane. As you mentioned, Pat, everyone has a different opinion on at what age and what time of year to geld a horse. Technically it can be done any time after birth, though we wouldn't usually consider doing it to such a fragile creature as a newborn foal. It is a bit of a misunderstand among people in general that the testicles descend into the sac sometime after the colt is born. Close to 99% of the time they are there when he's born, having descended in the last several weeks prior to his birth. So if we don't want to do it so young, then when? Well, it's good to wait until they've had a tetanus vaccination and booster which can be started as early as 3 months old. After that, as long as both testicles are palpable, they can be done at any time. I have gelded one of ours at 5 months old and everything was fine. Traditionally, it is done at sometime around a year of age. This is as good a time as any, because some are fertile as young as 14 months. Many will want to breed before that age, some of it play and some serious, but 14 months is the earliest I know of one actually being able to impregnate a mare. If a person wants the horse in question to develop some stallion characteristics like a thicker neck etc, they will really have to wait until the colt is 2-3 years old. Conversely, it is thought that if they are gelded before 2-3 years old, they may mature a little taller. Time of year to do it really doesn't seem to matter. You'll hear some people say do it in cooler weather when flies aren't as bad, and that's fine, but we do it at all times of the year and don't seem to have any trouble. Horses are able to keep the flies off pretty well down there. Some peop
Gelding
This message is from: Pat Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Everyone, The topic of hot branding made me think of pain and then gelding of our young stallions. Brian, maybe you could answer this one. What is the most humane way to geld a young colt? I lived in France for a year, ten years ago and witnessed the system of two popsicle sticks and elastic bands. I was not very impressed. Several years ago I had a 3 year old Morgan gelded. The vet sedated him enough so that he was quite groggy but was still standing. I held his head with a twitch.(axe handle with a loop of twine) It was a bit of a fight but the job was done. Two years after that, this particular horse knock down his feed bucket. I went into the stall with a piece of 2X4 (wood) to support the feed box. As I went into the stall the horse started to tremble. I took the piece of wood and approached his head. He was quite worried. I let him sniff the board and then rubbed his neck and his back with it. When I got to his hind quarters he panicked. It took me a couple of minuets to figure out what the problem was and then I realized the board was the same size and color of the axe handle. This horse never forgot the day he was gelded. Since then my Vets sedate them enough so that they lie down and there is no fight. I would also like to know what is the best age and what time of year to geld a young colt. I have heard many opinions on this topic. Pat
trouble with mare and gelding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN) Who was it having the trouble introducing their mare and gelding? I wanted to reply to you (actually ask you some questions from the veterinary aspect) but I was having e-mail trouble and had to delete all the back digests, and now I can't recall who it was. Brian Jacobsen ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: gelding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary O. wrote: "... This is our first colt and he should probably be gelded, although I'd like a couple of opinions on this too" Chuck and I went back and forth for months about gelding Samfinn, our handsome Fjord colt. He's out of our mare Sissel by Ursula and Brian Jensen's young stallion Samstein. Ultimately, the -only- reason we could see for keeping him whole is specifically to be a breeding stallion -- as a family "using" horse, he's far more valuable and useful as a gelding. There may be a mystique about owning and training a stallion (for example, see Walter Farley's _The Black Stallion_ and other stories), but I think the hazards and problems outweigh the advantages, even if the stallion is well-mannered and well-trained. Some questions that we discussed when we made our decision to geld Finn were: Is our colt truly good enough to be a breeding stallion? Are his genes an irreplaceable asset to the Fjord gene pool? Do we have the facilities and pastures to keep a stallion with a band of bred mares or, second best, with a herd of geldings, rather than keep him isolated in a paddock or stall? Are we able, interested, and willing to train and care for a stallion and offer his services for breeding? If we sell him as a stallion, can we make sure he will live his life as naturally as possible in the company of other horses? If your answer to any of these questions is "no", then I suggest that you get your colt gelded. Finn was a lovely colt and he is just as nice as a gelding. If you geld, here's some tips from a non-vet person: Wait until fly season is over, because flies can be annoying to the horse, and they may contribute to infection of the wound. Use fly spray as needed to keep insects from bothering the wound. Choose a time when you expect the weather to be cool and dry. Geld on a day when you can be home for the next couple of days (like a Friday afternoon, if your vet is agreeable). Keep your horse in a quiet, grassy pasture where he'll have to do some walking, but he won't be harassed into fighting, playing, or doing a lot of trotting or running. There will be swelling and watery, bloody drainage for several days -- but there should never be any pus! If the swelling and drainage persists for more than a week and he is unusually quiet and withdrawn, he may have an infection. If so, don't ignore those warning signs -- ask the vet to come out to check the horse without delay. Except for the fact that it bothers me to cause pain to any animal, I don't feel too badly about having gelded Finn or having neutered our 1 male dog and 6 cats (4 females, two males). Some people are really dead set against castration of male animals on the theory that it takes away their "maleness" or naturalness or something like that. In the case of many male horses, dogs, cats, hogs, and cattle, though, keeping them "whole" means that they live much of their lives isolated from others of their own kind. This takes a whole lot more of their naturalness away than castration does, in my opinion. Good luck on your decision! DeeAnna
Gelding & Founder
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian, Thanks for your mini-lectures on gelding and founder. They are both excellent! I think it is time to quit calling Fjords "easy keepers." I am finding it quite difficult to keep Tank as I feel he needs to be kept due to the ease with which he gains weight and my need to board him. I cannot find the perfect place, but only a compromise for all our horse needs and hobbies and this means that sometimes I really worry about him. I was lucky to get him out of the lush 24 hour pasture this summer for the worse part. I hope I can get him out early next Spring to keep him from gaining too much weight. He always looks overweight to me and sometimes down right obese! Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs & Research University of Nebraska at Omaha EAB 202, 6001 Dodge Street, Omaha, NE 68182-0210 Phone: 402.554.2286 FAX: 402.554.3698 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
