PNFPG shows
This message is from: "Barbara Lynch" Wow, what a great couple of shows put on by the PNFPG this year! Fred and I had a really good time at both the NW Show at Happ's and the Libby show. The facility at Happ's is wonderful. We had cross country jumping with regular permanent jumps; a trail challenge with very real mountain type obstacles, streams and a really big pond(water up to the Fjords chests); beautiful fields for the dressage and cones; and a mini marathon using the permanent obstacles built at Happ's. Of course we had the regular arena classes as well. There is an outdoor arena but if the weather warrants it there is also the indoor arena to use. Friday was hot but not too bad and then was just right the next two days. Libby was just as relaxing as it always is. Good classes and lots of visiting with friends we just get to see there. We did have several new people this year that I'm sure will be back. I even rode in a couple of classes! I usually just drive but had fun even though we didn't do great in the riding classes! There is always next year! It rained pretty good the first night but then it cleared up with beautiful days for the show. Hope to see some more of you at these two great shows next year. Barb Lynch Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Horse shows and dog shows
This message is from: Karen Keith Yes, the Lippies were really, really white! Karen > > Marvelous photos, but I confess to being distracted by the pair of > Lippizaners > > Kate _ Looking to change your car this year? Find car news, reviews and more http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Horse shows and dog shows
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com Marvelous photos, but I confess to being distracted by the pair of Lippizaners Kate with Joe and Della ( as fine a pair as I ever hope to drive, ride...or heck, just feed) * In a message dated 4/7/2009 6:42:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kkke...@hotmail.com writes: http://zoisrus.smugmug.com/gallery/7680738_DDook#498984161_Xhwwd **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Horse shows and dog shows
This message is from: Karen Keith Hi List. I got a note from my sister in Florida. She attended the Live Oak CDE as a spectator and took a bunch of pictures again. She was there for both marathon and cones. Here's her email and a link to her Smugmug site: >HI Karen: >I went to the Live Oak Invitational marathon again this year, and since the weather cooperated, I went back on Sunday for the obstacle competition. Took about 1100 photos, and have gotten about 130 processed and up. I'v put so many hours cropping and editing at this point I've spent more than double the time with the photos than I spent at the event! This has to stop... ;-0 >SO, at any rate, here is the link to this year's photos. I took extra of the Fjord horse for you. Have hundreds more, so if you want to see more of a particular team, I can process them for you if i have them. >http://zoisrus.smugmug.com/gallery/7680738_DDook#498984161_Xhwwd >OFf to the gym. >PAtti http://www.sylvanborzoi.com/ http://zoisrus.smugmug.com/ Patti paid particular attention to the Fjord (driver Vivian Creigh) because she knows that's my breed of choice, and I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of a white dun filly from Germany. The filly should finally arrive sometime late this month. Woo-hoo! Now, about dog shows. This same sister is a dog show judge, and if anybody was watching Animal Planet Sunday night, the Rose City, Portland, Oregon, dog show, my sister Patti was the judge for Best in Show. I guess that makes me related to a television star! LOL And this is the same sister who drives her Borzois in pairs and sometimes unicorn to a four-wheeled dog cart. Cheers! Karen, Northern Virginia _ Need a new place to rent, share or buy? Let ninemsn property search for you. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2 F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_ta gline&_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Photos from past Northeast Fjord Horse Shows & Activities
This message is from: Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, The Fjord Herald team needs of some photos from "days gone by" from folks that have done stuff with the Northeast Fjord Horse Association to use with an article in the Summer issue (which is about to go to layout). If you have photos, or can put us in touch with someone who can provide them that would be great. The NFHA's regional show is in its 25th yearso there must be a TON of photos out there!!! Any of folks from the "early days"? We don't need all of them, just a handful. Of course, I need them "Yesterday", and I need high-resolution, print quality images. Contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Sandy -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Horse Shows and Summer camps are almost here!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have been getting a great response this and year a look foward to a great year. We hope to see more Fjords and more Fjords. Schooling Shows The goals of our schooling shows are to help create an environment for learning and experiencing what showing is all about. We will help with educating the riders as to what the judge is looking for. The classes have been structured so that the riders will be able to apply what they have learned . Some of the key elements that are emphasized are safety in the ring, what is looked for in each class, how the horses way of going should look for different styles and how the rider is judged. This is also a good show for young green horses to learn (with experienced riders riding). There will be awards and prizes. Ribbons to 5th place. If anyone would like to volunteer for any of the show dates. Help is always need to keep these shows running. If there is a class that you would like to see offered just let us know. Stable Events 2008 Driving Instruction Clinics * Oct 11th * Oct 25th * Nov 15th * Nov 29th * Dec 6th * Dec 20th * Download Registration Form _HERE_ (http://morrisshadowmt.com/forms/DriveClinicRegForm.doc) 2008 Schooling and Fun Show Series * May 17th and 31st * June 14th and 28th * July 12th and 26th * August 16th * And September 6th and 20th! * All ages and skill levels! * Download Flyer _HERE_ (http://morrisshadowmt.com/forms/2007HorseShowFlyer.pdf) * Download Registration Form _HERE_ (http://morrisshadowmt.com/forms/ShowRegForm.doc) 2008 Summer Camp Series * July 7th thru 11th - All Ages - from 9am to 1 pm * July 21st thru 25th - All Ages - from 9am to 1 pm * August 11th thru 15th - All Ages - from 9am to 1 pm * August 25th thru 29th - All Ages - from 9am to 1 pm * Download Registration Summer Day Camp Give your child one of the best gifts this summer. Enroll them in Shoadow Mountain's Equestrian Summer Day Camp! This camp is designed to introduce your child to the basics of horsemanship. This will include an introduction to all of the following: * Safety * English * Western * Basic horse care * Grooming * Tack * Showmanship/Halter * Feeding * Breeds Your child will have a fun adventure into the world of the horse. They will bring home some knowledge of what it takes to work with horses and what the different riding styles are all about. We offer continued education year round, so if this is a pursuit that inspires you or your child we can take you to any level you desire. We have a variety of beautiful horses most have been born on the property and have grown up around the kids from day one. Many breeds from Arabians to Norwegian Fjords. So sign up your child today for a fun safe summer full of new learning experiences All sessions have a daily schedule that begins at 9:00 am and ends at 1:00pm. Special arrangements can be made for a longer stay. We currently offer 4 sessions starting at the beginning of July. Cost per session is $300.00, per week due upon registration. * July 7th-11th * July 21st-25th * August 11th-15th * August 25th-29th For registration please contact Bonnie Morris at 253-939-5660 or _Click here to download a Registration Form_ (http://morrisshadowmt.com/forms/Summer%20Camp%20registration%202008%20(2).doc) **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Reminder horse shows starting soon
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Schooling Shows The goals of our schooling shows are to help create an environment for learning and experiencing what showing is all about. We will help with educating the riders as to what the judge is looking for. The classes have been structured so that the riders will be able to apply what they have learned . Some of the key elements that are emphasized are safety in the ring, what is looked for in each class, how the horses way of going should look for different styles and how the rider is judged. This is also a good show for young green horses to learn (with experienced riders riding). There will be awards and prizes. Ribbons to 5th place. If anyone would like to volunteer for any of the show dates. Help is always need to keep these shows running. If there is a class that you would like to see offered just let us know. 2008 Schooling and Fun Show Series * May 17th and 31st * June 14th and 28th * July 12th and 26th * August 16th * And September 6th and 20th! * All ages and skill levels! Location Morris's Shadow Mt Stables Auburn, Wa 98092 Contact Bonnie Morris 253-939-5660 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _www.morrishadowmt.com_ (http://www.morrishadowmt.com) **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Summer camps, Horse Shows for 2008
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone We have several schooling horse shows this year. We will be adding a few more classes as more have been requested. These shows are very educational and all ages and levels are encouraged to participate. We are already starting to fill for the summer camps program, so if you have any youngsters that are interested now is the time to sign them up.We have one fantastic summer ahead! Thank you all Bonnie Morris 253-939-5660 _www.morrisshadowmt.com_ (http://www.morrisshadowmt.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom000301) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Horse shows
This message is from: "Linda Lehnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There was a posting that mentioned a show with Fjord and Haflinger classes, which, unfortunately, was poorly attended by the Fjord community. However, the basic idea is excellent. Think about it - an all-breed show with breed classes for Fjords and other breeds. Not only could you show your Fjord and be judged only by Fjord standards, but it is an excellent venue to promote the breed and show people what Fjords can do. And, better yet, many of them would be fairly near to where you live, saving both gas and driving time. For those of you who show it would give you more opportunities to show than just the Fjord-only shows, i.e. more shows, more fun! Not to say that you can´t have fun with your Fjord if you don´t show as many of us know. Trail riding is fun too, as is just spending time with your horse. But if you like to show, this would certainly give you more options. Just a thought. Linda in Guben on the German-Polish border where it has been fall now for over 10 days and gets colder every day and my cats (only live in the house) are getting fuzzier by the day too today it's FREE! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Re shows "in the middle"
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmmm I know it's not exclusively a "Fjord" show, but there has been a show which showcases Fjords (and Haflingers as well) in Central OR (first Prineville, and now Redmond) for 6 years! I have been trying to drag Fjord owners in by the hair since our first show in 2000. This is a two day show with one whole day of driving classes. And it was sometimes pretty embarrassing to have only 3 or 4 locals Fjords show up when there were 20 or more Haflingers... I guess it's because it's a spring show? Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords 260 May Creek Rd Days Creek, OR 97429 541-825-3303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
NW Shows
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/5/2007 6:53:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, contrary to some beliefs, none of this was done with the idea of destroying the Libby show. The idea that the NW Fjord show is too close to the Libby show is in my opinion garbage. Back when I was involved in the draft horse world (no I was never a driver, I just threw lots of harness for friends of mine) some of these guys would spend 2 weeks at the Puyallup fair, then 2 weeks later be at Monroe and 2 weeks later be in Sand Point and yes there were times I was at all three. All these shows were two weeks apart and the ones who wanted to be there were always there. Well thought out post, and I could understand your perspective. I do disagree with this above paragraph. For me, it is hard to get away, there is a lot on my plate, more now than ever. I could, theoretically, make it to a show in a month and not have the other responsibilities take a nose dive, but two in the same month would be difficult. If I were to show, I'd have to make a choice. Because of the direction my life has gone in, I find it very difficult to show so far from home. I was only just able to manage attending Libby, without a horse, in 2001. Still I would LOVE to show my horses at a fjord show. In my perfect little world of my own creation, I'd love to see a show a month during the late spring-early fall season. Maybe June in California, July in Oregon, August in Western Washington (no offense Moses Lake but you talked about how HOT it is there) and September, the jewel in the crown, the Libby show. I think there could be room for all. I could even imagine a smaller show in Alaska, a "Midnite Sun" show, what a kick that could be! I would love to see more opportunities for people who, like me, cannot travel all that far but DO want to participate in some fjord function. Just a thought. A thought I really like, but I don't know how many others would have as much enthusiasm for this idea as I have. I think there are ways to make multiple fjord shows a beautiful thing instead of a struggle. Pamela _Northern Holiday Horses_ (http://hometown.aol.com/northhorse/index.html) _Welcome Polaris 2_ (http://hometown.aol.com/sowestern/myhomepage/index.html) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re shows "in the middle"
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why isn't there talk about Eugene Oregon for a middle ground? Dusty's mother??? I was there for a show some years ago and thought the arena was pretty good. Jean Gayle Author of: 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: red bow, blue bow, one show, two shows!
This message is from: "Teressa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Also, there was no PNFPG by law that halted statements in opposition to club or Officer or Member decisions. There was a by law amendment offered that would cause expulsion from the organization in the event of threatening and/or abusive language. In fact, JUST like our list owner, Steve Mc, when he sees flaming. Unfortunately, the need for such a rule was never anticipated by the PNFPG organizers, and was only introduced after such threatening and abusive language was used. It's a sad commentary on our times and should remind us all to think before we push the send button and think before the words come out of our mouths. Good luck to all the Libby show goers - hope you have nice weather in what is an amazingly beautiful location - sadly, too far away for me. Teressa in Ferndale, WA (truly, a lovely spot for a fjord show!) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
red bow, blue bow, one show, two shows!
This message is from: "Teressa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I loved the post from Gail that ended with a pitch for a show in her neck of the woods. I'll throw in the Northwest Washington Fairgrounds in Lynden - a half hour drive from my ranchette. However, I know that isn't practical for the critical mass of entrants needed to make a show pay for itself. I believe the target for Moses Lake was 70 and I think over 80 fjords were entered. This new show venue hosted by the same regional club as hosts Libby only adds to the fjord presence in the Pac Northwest. No one that I spoke with at ML had anything bad to say about Libby - (though there were a very few who were much more sensitive to the asbestos issue than I due in most cases to a family member who died from asbestos related disease, and anyone would be insensitive to pooh pooh that very real concern )- and many people as well who were going to do both shows - including the ML show chairman, club president, club treasurer and many more. As fjord numbers and owners grow in North America, more shows should start to happen. I believe that the increased numbers of owners in Western Washington helped to drive the creation of a show at Moses Lake. We saw a number of people who had not ever been to a fjord show before - and as a 57 year old fjord owner who was hauling three horses by myself - I can't tell you how much happier I was to cut my haul time from 10 hours to 5 hours. In fact, after I hauled three to Libby last year and had both my coach and a horsey friend with me to take turns driving, we all decided it was just too far. I don't go to the breed shows to enhance my breeding stock output, or to show and sell young stock. I go to have fun and meet up with other fjordie lovers and get encouraged by what I see good horsepeople doing with their fjords. And then know it could be possible for me. So my decision had nothing to do with "anti" anything, my decision was to be "for" something. I was thrilled that the Club voted to give Moses Lake venue a try because that would, in future, be my only opportunity to attend a breed show. As for the bylaws and voting rules, bylaws of an organization are there to promote orderly discourse and, as needed, change and growth, and so on. The PNFPG bylaws have been unchanged for many years - hence the somewhat anachronistic requirement that voting is only done by those in attendance at the meetings - this requirement has long been in place and was not the result of a palace coup! Incidentally, an amendment package updating the bylaws is before the membership now which would, among others, allow voting without being in attendance - in the electronic age, we need to allow remote participation - especially given the far flung locales of the club membership. There have been other mischaracterizations of how a show in Moses Lake evolved, how voting was done, what the motivations were (for fjord breeders, two shows are a much better showcase than just one - so the comment about a more sophisticated show or about rich breeders just didn't make any sense to me), about a deliberate attempt to draw participants away from Libby, and so on. The timing for the show this year was based on finding open dates at the Grant County Fairgrounds on somewhat short notice. The selection of an annual date is, I believe, a moving target still. The post just before Moses Lake drawing attention to an outbreak of West Nile in horses in Grant County (Moses Lake is in Grant County) was rather suspicious in its timing but didn't draw the sort of vilification in replies from the so called Moses Lake proponents as did the other post noting a documentary aired about Libby on PBS. Both rather innocuous posts with suspicious timing except both were related to things that occurred on the day of the post! Neither with an agenda. We need to quit seeing bears in the woods! I would love to go to Blue Earth with my ponies someday but it is just too far for me - maybe when I retire. But we've heard stories about the bad weather there, the heat, the wind and so on. As with ANY horse show or horse fun thing, there are good things and bad things. But the real test of the show is in the number of attendees and the ever increasing quality of the horses and skill of their owners. That's what makes a show a success. As for the Fred Pack issue - that has nothing to do with the show locations and should not be wound into this discussion. I don't know the details or even the basics and I'd just as soon stay that way. Teressa in Ferndale, WA (really a great location for a show!). The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
open shows
This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linda, yes the judge is QH all the way, or what I call a true pleasure judge. At least in our area, that is pretty much what you get. We ride in a dressage frame, arc neck, horse on the bit but with an arc instead of straight neck. I wasn't about to change for this one show. :-) I have in the past with my own horse, ridden to the type of show I was in. I.E. at an open show, I could put Silas in more of a pleasure frame, dressage show, dressage frame, etc etc. BUT...these are training horses and don't wish to mess with what I'm teaching them currently. I really only took them to see how they would behave, to see what we needed to work on, and knew we would not place high, but was thrilled that they placed at all. They were never last in their class, so the judge did use, just not high up in the scores. Although in hunter hack, equitation and the timed obstacle jumping the Fjords got 2nds and 4ths. It was a good show, bigger classes , nice horses and the Fjords were awesome in the ring! :-) Patti Jo Walter www.franciscreekfjords.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Open shows, Zipper
This message is from: "Linda Lehnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Patti Jo, was the judge a QH judge? We had Morgans for a long time and found that QH judges don´t like what I call upheaded horses, those with necks that sit on top of, instead of in front of, the shoulders with the natural head carriage that will give, i.e. Morgans, Arabs, Fjords, etc, This bias particularly shows up in western pleasure. After all, these horses act like they are alive and going somewhere instead of moving slower than cold molasses with their noses to the ground as if they are looking for grass in the riding arena. The latter look is what QH judges like and usually they will mark down the upheaded breeds just because of the way they look and move. Vanessa, your story about Zipper made me laugh out loud in the internet cafe. Very few horses of any breed could have done what she did - behave even if she didn´t steer very well! Just wait until she´s fully trained. She sounds like a great horse and you are fortunate to have her. Linda in Guben, DE (that´s Deutschland, not Delaware - this is what is on our license plates below the EU circle of stars) today it's FREE! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Horse Shows
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone I just wanted to let everybody know about our schooling shows for 2007. The dates are June 9th, 23rd, July 14th, 28th, August 11th, Sep 1st and 22nd. You can get the registration forms and class list at morrisshadowmt.com We are located in Auburn Wa . This is a great opportunity to get your horses ready for the breed shows. Thanks Bonnie 70 degrees and sunny ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Study shows microchips cause cancer?
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 01:33 PM 2/8/2007, you wrote: This message is from: Steve A White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Before everyone gets freaked out about their microchipped horses, you should know that these are a special strain of mice that get cancer very easily. That's why they use them for cancer research. Microchips have been used in pets and horses for many years with a very low incidence of complications. These complications include chip migration and infection at injection site, not cancer. Thanks Steve. So far I have not heard of any Fjords getting cancer near the microchip injection site. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Study shows microchips cause cancer?
This message is from: Steve A White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Before everyone gets freaked out about their microchipped horses, you should know that these are a special strain of mice that get cancer very easily. That's why they use them for cancer research. Microchips have been used in pets and horses for many years with a very low incidence of complications. These complications include chip migration and infection at injection site, not cancer. Steve White, DVM Gretna, NE The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Study shows microchips cause cancer?
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is an interesting study that came up on a dog list. Ruthie, nw mt US Implanted Microchips Cause Cancer The Institute of Experimental Pathology at Hannover Medical School in Germany reported , "An experiment using 4279 CBA/J mice of two generations was carried out to investigate the influence of parental preconceptual exposure to X-ray radiation or to chemical carcinogens. Microchips were implanted subcutaneously in the dorsolateral back for unique identification of each animal. The animals were kept for lifespan under standard laboratory conditions. In 36 mice a circumscribed neoplasm occurred in the area of the implanted microchip. Macroscopically, firm, pale white nodules up to 25 mm in diameter with the microchip in its center were found. Macroscopically, soft tissue tumors such as fibrosarcoma and malignant fibrous histiocytoma were detected." http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/acancer.htm#chip The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Response: PNFPG Shows
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Warren, I do not remember asking anything about the show, but you put in "especially J Gayle???} Jean Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Response: PNFPG Shows
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all on the list and especially J. Gayle, I am responding to J. Gayle's concerns. I am PNFPG secretary (3 years), show secretary for our new Moses Lake Washington show and a former show secretary and several year member of the Libby Montana show committee. The Pacific Northwest Fjord Promotional Group has a membership which stretches from Southern Oregon to Canada and from the Pacific to much of Montana. That is a lot of miles. In the last several years our membership has more than tripled, from 43 paid member families to over 115 member families. We now have enough members and enough enthusiasm to host 2 fall shows. These show locations are 6 hours drive apart. Many members will be attending both shows, as many members already attend quite a number of shows, CDE's and other events every year. (We hauled Fjords to 10 events last year) At our November 4 meeting, in Yakima, almost the very center of our membership territory, almost 3 times as many members as normally attend our business meeting, came to discuss and make show decisions. All had formerly attended and were very familiar with the Libby show. Most had also attended our 2006 Spring Fling at Moses Lake and/or were familiar with the Moses Lake facility from another event, such as a Clinton Anderson event. The result was that nearly 2/3 voted to add the Moses Lake show to our agenda in 2007. After that vote there was a request for volunteers for each show committee. Each committee has more than 10 volunteers and among them some of the clinicians and expert Fjord folks you saw featured in the recent Fjord Herald articles. Each committee has persons with former experience as show chairman and show secretary. Each committee has persons experienced in showing at Western, English, Trail, Driving etc. We in PNFPG are doing great and you don't have to worry about us. But we would love it if more Fjord folks join us for our 3 big events in 2007 and numerous other smaller events. Check out our website, PNFPG.ORG, as the months go by. Join our group. Join our Fjord activities. Thanks, and happy Fjording, Sylvia Riddle, PNFPG secretary, Teddy Bear Fjords, Spokane WA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: The Show of Shows -
This message is from: "Beaver Dam Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Jaimie and I got back late last night from Minnesota. -- What a fabulous time we had, and what a truly grand show it was. -- I just can't find enough superlatives to describe how I felt about this show. -- I felt it was a "Coming of Age" for the Fjordhorses. -- I felt that finally, thanks to this show and the people who made it happen that . . . "Fjords Have Arrived". -- Most everything was absolutely perfectly superb! And the things that weren't were all small things easily fixable the next time a show like this happens, which by the way, we're fervently hoping will be in FIVE YEARS. -- Why not? Holland does their BIG SHOW every five years as do the other European Fjord countries. The quality of everything at this show was FIRST CLASS! -- The facility, the stabling, the horsemanship, the horses, the driving, riding & draft were all wonderful. -- I was sitting with some ADS competitors during the driving classes and all agreed that each class was "beautiful" -- Filled with perfectly turned out horses, carriages, and drivers. -- Not only that, but the horses were all well trained. It was the same in all the classes and in the Evaluations. -- The handlers knew what they were doing and the horses were well mannered. The banquet was so well done with white linen clothes, nice crystal, and gorgeous, sumptious flower arrangements on each table. Not to mentiont he glorious ice sculpture and the carrage at the entrace draped with new harness. -- It was wonderful to have all the European guests, and boy were they ever impressed. I tell you . . . "Fjordhorses have arrived . . . Big Time!" Jaimie (our trainer) and I were especially pleased and proud as punch to have so many Gjest sons and daughters as well as grandsons and daughters at the show. There were the "BDF Boys" from Starfire Farm (BDF Obelisk, BDF John Arthur & BDF Magnum). My heart certainly thrilled and the tears came watching Beth ride Obey with J.A. & Magnum right behind being ridden "Roman Style" by Samantha Poirier. -- It was simply gorgeous! Kathy Spiegel was there with her charming stallion, BDF Titian (Gjest x Maryke). -- I really couldn't believe Titian. -- Kathy hauled him all alone from Idaho to the show. -- Titian was probably the calmest, most laid back horse there. He's really a character. -- Nothing, but nothing bothered him in the slightest. Kathy chose not to evaluate him as a 4 yr. old, but will bring him back next year. Kathy Johnson was there with her Gjest son, the stallion, WW Reidar (Gjest x Ranka-Dutch imported mare). -- Reidar was certainly impressive. He's very lean and a real athlete. It was hard to believe how supple, agile, and quick on his feet he is -- Not to mention very light on his feet. -- Margaret Bogie brought their Gjest son, Blitzen who looks so much like Gjest and is a wonderful performance horse already. Then there were the grandsons, and these were very impressive in that they were practically Gjest clones. -- The grandsons look much more like Gjest than the sons. -- That was so interesting to us. -- We so enjoyed seeing old friends and meeting new ones - people we've heard about or seen written about. It was just the most wonderful celebration for people and horses, and I for one hope we don't have to wait another 25 years to do it again. I'll be 90 years old by then, and I don't want to wait that long. -- How about in five years? As to the Saturday night DANCING HORSES . . . . well, it just doesn't get any better than the show Beth Beymer and her friends put on. -- Goose bumps, tears, thumping heart. Oh my gosh, it was simply wonderful! And I have it on very good source that the Danish dignataries were heard to say that before this, the best show was always put on by the Germans, but now the North Americans have topped that. Jaimie and I stayed with Kathy Monroe and Nancy Barmore in their charming Finnish log home. What a delight, and there has never in this world been such hospitality as was shown us. We were and are overwhelmed and will never be able to thank them enough for everything they did for us. It was the experience of a lifetime. There was a special happy atmosphere at this show. -- If there was any of the usual backbiting that normally happens at horse shows, then we didn't hear it. There were big smiles constantly on all faces. Everone was having a hell of a time. Arthur and I have been involved with the NFHR since the beginning. I was on the BOD for several years. -- I've been to many Fjord shows, though not a lot in recent years, so maybe that explains what I saw in M
Re: Ideal Family Horse - Rides, Jumps, Shows - Never puts a foot wrong - Cute too!
This message is from: "Beaver Dam Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - We have a wonderful offering - A great 8 yr. old Fjord gelding who recently arrived on consignment. -- His name is OH Taske (pronounced Tass Key). He was bred by Julia Will at Old Hickory Farm, and he's a son of Erlend. -- Fjords don't get any cuter than Taske. -- He's just gorgeous! He has a wonderfully dished face and beautiful eyes. -- He's trained to Ride, Drive, and Jump. He's been shown many times in Pony Club eventing, always doing well. -- He goes around an outside jump course never faltering or thinking of avoidance. This horse is ideal for a child. -- And that can't often be said about all Fjords, as often they are too strong for a small child. -- Taske has the training and the experience to take any youngster of any age around a jump course in grand style. He just rounds his back, and tucks his feet, and sails over each jump. As if that wasn't enough, he's also been shown in dressage and always done well. -- And further, Taske is trained to drive. -- He does have an aversion to the whip, probably thanks to being sent to the Amish for driving training. -- However, we're working on that, and given the horse's wonderful temperament, we're confident we can fix this problem. -- Riding, Taske has no need of the whip. He's totally obedient and likes to go forward. A lot of money has been spent on Taske's training. He's had years of professional training. -- However, his price does not reflect the money that's been put into his training. -- I honestly can't say enough good things about this wonderful Fjord gelding. He's only 8 years old and you could take him to a Pony Club Ralley tomorrow. He's that reliable and that well trained. -- What more could anybody possibly want in a Famil Horse. His price is also very reasonable, and as far as we can see by his performance with us, you will not have to spend another dime on his training. -- He's just the best! He's a wonderful Fjordhorse! All this, and he's really one of the prettiest Fjords we've ever seen. Please call or email and we'll send you a video. -- We have some fabulous photos of Taske and will get them up on our website within a few days. Kind Regards, Carol Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II, Ltd. Phone: 902-386-2304 Fax: 902-386-2149 URL: www.beaverdamfarm.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Raised by the Sea in Health and Tranquility" Visit our NEW Riding Vacation page on our website today! http://www.beaverdamfarm.com/pages/riding-vacation/index.html
Re: horse shows & why we go
This message is from: "Pat Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There was a great commentary in "The Chronicle of the Horse" this past week about the history of the Devon horse show in Pennsylvania. For those of you unfamiliar with Devon it is one of the oldest in the east and has a timeless quality and reputation of ageless charm. Basically it has not changed in 40 years. It is "Devon" and if you've ever placed or even shown there, it's a big deal. The article states: "Increasingly, horse shows have become assembly line affairs, with the same divisions at each venue, run in rings that look the same, next to four more rings that are identical. There are precious few that retain a character and charm all their own. "Devon" is different. It's something you sense from the moment you walk in the gates." Before I go further, I am NOT comparing Blue Earth to Devon, but reading the article there were many similarities. The camaraderie, the "feel at home" atmosphere, the friendships, the history, the people that began the show and held it tenderly with care and understanding for those whom attend. Lately I've heard descriptions of Blue Earth as being "just a fun show" and actually I am not taken back by that - because we DO have fun. But Blue Earth has and always was a good competion show as well. We have some very talented people in the Midwest who continue to attend Blue Earth. I wrote an article once about how we've seen green horses become solid and novice riders become experienced and youth grow up within our venue. Lifelong friendships are made, horses are sold or bought, breeding contracts are made, lessons learned, experience gained and a good time had. That is a good history to carry. The Midwest Fjord Horse Club will continue to sponsor the Blue Earth show and will always keep in mind what is important at any show and why we all go. We go to support our club, the people and the horse as a breed. We will continue to keep Blue Earth "fun" and welcome everyone. Having just returned from the Columbus Carriage Classic - and having a great showing there, it was interesting to be an exhibitor and watching the problems arise even at an approved ADS show. It was interesting because I remember concerns about the County Fair at Blue Earth, safety and crowds and so forth, At Columbus we had a great deal of spectators, young parents with children walking about, and we had to drive thru a playground with kids on swings and jungle gyms. AND it rained!! Sunday morning competition went on thru a downpour! In slippery grass cones courses and a wooded bridge that took a horse down. The bridge was optional but competitors that took it also took a risk. No show is perfect, no matter who's rules you go by. So I look forward to seeing you at Blue Earth. Bring your fans and rain gear and smiles...it's going to be another good show. Your MWFHC Show Chairman Pat Holland
Re: User Friendly shows - Blue Earth
This message is from: "Pat Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > One suggestion might be, dually leveled exhibitors-- both a pro league and an > amatuer together. I've noticed in the Libby show, as the years have gone by, > that although the bar of excellence continues to rise.. the broad > cross-section of Fjord enthusiasts decline, and public spectators have > dwindled proportionately. Something for everyone would probably be more > preferable for the public and promote better spectator attendance. Ruthie, This is a topic that has been of heated debate for many years regarding our Blue Earth Show, as the show grew, then gathered so many more people from different back grounds and levels of show experience, it has become very difficult to create a full venue for everyone. Putting any show or event together is difficult, but a breed show is even more so, consider if you will the classes needed to be offered, conformation, youth, draft, driving, riding both English and western, trail, showmanship, and game classes...then add the levels of which our competitors compete in away from our Fjord Show, ...beginner, total beginner whom have never shown before at all - the people who compete in open shows, hunter, dressage, jumper, eventing, carriage, combined eventing, combined driving, draft, and follow rules of CDE's, 4-H, FFA, USEF, ADS, AQHA, USDF.., each of these people bring with them their backgrounds and experiences, as well as their own "lingo" and understanding of rules and expectations. One of the reasons the Blue Earth Show has survived as well as it has is - for those of you whom do not know - the Blue Earth show is the largest Fjord Show in North America, it that the show committee tries desperately to accomodate our varied membership. We try to keep our rules simple and basic..keeping in mind the experianced horseshow person has the experiance to adapt, and the beginner needs the basic rules to understand and feel welcome. We have found that by virtue of the experianced showman being there, the beginner learns by watching and asking, and the experianced showman gains life long friends and clients through their generous and helpful advice. "Knock on wood" ..we hope ..this attitude will always prevale at Blue Earth. And as far as spectators one of the reasons our stands are always full of spectators is that we are part of the Fairbaught County Fair, and the town of Blue Earth and vicinity come to watch the Fjord show as well as attend this old fashioned country fair. It's a win win situation for all of us. It has always been important to us that the first timer, to showing and to the breed feel welcome and appreciated - we have designed classes especially for the first timer and still offer classes with the competitive spirit intact - and as chair of the Blue Earth Show, taking the reins from Nancy Hotovy who spent 13+ years making this show so great, I honor that responsiblility. Pat Holland, Blue Earth Chair with her committee Nancy & Rich Hotovy, Jessica Katzman, Mike & Susie Sadlon, Andrew Hinrichs, Tyler & Dawn Schlickman, Mary & Jon Ofjord, Therine & Bob Gudknecht, Chuck and DeeAnna Kelly, Patti Jo Walter, Joni Griffin, Kit Davis, Roger & Diane Whitney and Robin Holland.
Safety Flyers at Shows
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As one of those clueless people who recently started attending shows, I would love to see a flyer handed out as you came in the gate listing safety guidelines - such as "do not approach a horse with your stroller.". Honestly, some of these things you guys have mentioned have never occurred to me, and I KNOW they don't occur to other people who are either new to horses, shows, or a bit pre-occupied (or maybe just excited to be there). I don't know what the cost would be, but speaking as a spectator - I'd love to have one!! Kate and Joe (basically, the best pony ever)
Re: Saftey at shows...
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > One thing I noticed at two shows this year was the people who came to watch > the show were often clueless about horses and the possibility of them doing > something unpredictable. Baby carriages and small children need to be kept > under wing closely and moved away from the hooves of horses. Complacency is a > problem. Perhaps there needs to be a general announcement at the beginning of > each show addressing this issue. I don't have all the answers, but I know > that many of the things that happen at a show is due to the nature of a horse > and the complacency of the humans. Heads up! > > Pat McCurdy > Cato, NY > I do totally agree there needs to be savvy people watching for the un horse savvy watching the show in a unsafe manor not just for themselves but also for the entrants. one stroller out of control, a person not watching where they go. I wonder what it would entail for spectator police ??? ; )) Roberta
Saftey at shows...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All- I've been reading the messages concerning safety at shows. I must say there have been some very good points made and I know this topic is something every show committee discusses. As a member of the Finger Lakes Fjord Horse Show committee I can attest to the fact that there are moments when safety is a great concern. We try to address issues as they arise, but sometimes things happen that no one can imagine. I think safety at shows is something that needs to be addressed. However, as someone who works for an educational institution, I would hate to see fun and relaxation taken away due to fear and over restrictive rules. It happens in the world of education a lot. One person gets hurt and a new rule is created to cover the problem. However, many students lose due to the new restriction. One thing I noticed at two shows this year was the people who came to watch the show were often clueless about horses and the possibility of them doing something unpredictable. Baby carriages and small children need to be kept under wing closely and moved away from the hooves of horses. Complacency is a problem. Perhaps there needs to be a general announcement at the beginning of each show addressing this issue. I don't have all the answers, but I know that many of the things that happen at a show is due to the nature of a horse and the complacency of the humans. Heads up! Pat McCurdy Cato, NY
Fjord Evaluations and Horse shows
s looking for good fjord type, (that is, what makes a fjord a fjord rather than breed X in a fjord coat), and movement. Big walks, big trots, freedom, extension in the front and hock action moving up under in the back. The way I see it he used horses for placing irregardless if they were draft style or lighter style as long as they were good examples of the breed and could move well. So as the competition increases the well trained horses in proper frame will do fine, but the horses that are able to move very well will do better. Then again there is Markus who probably was an average fjord in many ways but with the proper training, hard work, experience, and handling has proven to be one of the best of our breed. Kind of reminds me of the children's story of ' The Little Engine That Could'. Just my personal reflections on a couple shows. I do not mean to speak for Mr. Hipsley, Mr. Wolfe, or the evaluation committee. Take care, Phillip Odden
Fjord Shows & little knowns
This message is from: "Cheryl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pat, I don't mind at all that you shared my story ! I am so glad you got to share in our "moment". I am truly blessed to find someone like Steve . I wish I knew what I did to deserve all this cause I'd keep doing it !! In the "in-hand trail" Wayne stated he wanted to see how relaxed the young horses were at the gate...I guess EATING the gate is as comfortable as you can get!! I was extremely proud of BNF Ingwine with his manners. He is such a little gentleman and is a joy to work with. Steve left B.E. wanting to get a team (Hotovy's HELPPP) and wishing he had brought a horse to ride ! I must congratulate you as well. You had so many successes that week. I hope you handle the show at Blue Earth next year as well..you did a wonderful job. The plates were outstanding as were the ribbons...the people, great as always. Everyone felt welcome,from the beginners (me), to the more experienced. For those of you that missed it, start planning for next year now. You will not regret it. I hope to see everyone next year ! Cheryl Gioia
Re: Fjord Shows & little knowns
This message is from: "Philis B. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have to add, Pat that my "little known" episode at the Blue Earth Show was the fact that I almost missed the mare class, 4 and over! I was so bummed and went to the judge's stand to ask if we could still enter our two mares. The judge, Wayne Hipsley, was gracious enough to let us enter the class. My mare, Rokida's Katinka, when all was said and done, took 2nd place out of the 24 mares I couldn't be happier!! And, thanks for your encouragement, Pat. Finally some cooler and dryer weather here todayno rain...not good. Philis Anderson Sawtooth Mountain Fjords Grand Marais, MN
Re: Fjord Shows & little knowns
This message is from: "Pat Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was glad to hear Lori's comments about the Finger Lakes show. Managing any event is difficult no matter how well organized we are prior to the show. Its good to hear another event is surviving and doing well. Lori mentioned how nice it is to see other horses/competitors becoming more mature and more developed. Over the years at Blue Earth I've seen this often. My own gelding is a good example. Two years ago we could not complete a cones class, but this year he competed in riding, driving, draft, youth, gaming and costume and never skipped a beat. Many of us bring green/first timer horses and a great example is Patti Jo Walter. She just started the mare Onask in May of this year under saddle, owned by Randi and Carl Neilson and boldly decided to show her this year - ending up winning the Green Horse riding class with 23 horses in it and placing 5th in the Mares 4 & over class with 24 in it. Sarah Waxman took 2nd place in that big Green Horse riding class with Lord's Jericho owned by Mike and Susie Sadlon as well as winning his halter class. One of my favorite wins was for Cheryl Gioia and her white stud colt BNF Ingwine in the in hand trail. I hope Cheryl is ok about me sharing this story as it was a highlight of the show. Her husband surprised her at Blue Earth by having a brand new Cadillac Escalade delivered there, and then inside were not one...but two diamond rings. Talk about moments to remember! I joked once - after the Oprah deal when she gave away all those cars...that maybe I'll try for a Ford sponsorship for the Blue Earth show and that a key to a new car will go with each trophy..little did I know in one case it did happen. Congratulations Cheryl.not only for your win with a beautiful well mannered colt, but for a great, kind loving husband as well. Many GOOD things do happen behind the lines at a show. You'll never hear some of them but it is what makes an event special and us all wanting to return to. Oh one last thing, some of you have heard my past discussions regarding driving pairs - me never doing it. Well David Lusty asked me to drive his pair in the Ladies Pair class and it was a blast. I actually placed 5th out of 8 and I NEVER drove a pair before! only at Blue Earth folks.a special place...special peoplewhere memories are made. Pat Holland
Re: FINALLY! -- Fjords are out there at open shows - Dressage & others
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol wrote: Isn't this great? That finally the Fjords are getting recognized for what they can do. -- I'm glad I lived long enough to see it. I was beginning to wonder if it would ever happen. But, guess what? -- This acceptance by dressage judges and beginning acceptance by riders is exclusive to North America. It is NOT happening in Europe. In Europe Fjords are still looked at as chubby, plodding ponies. This wasn't a huge show I went to, but a couple weeks ago I went to my first show ever. It was a local dressage show. I tried to have enough time to do everything, but with a special child in my life, I had a few delays. I just barely started warming Juniper up and my number was called. Reviewing the video of the performance, I could see that the lack of warm up really showed as far as my own position. But Juniper was alert, happy and responsive to me. My patterns weren't the best, as I had not practiced the test more than a couple of times, and I cut a couple of corners, but we still came in third. Our second ride was better and we got even higher marks. I can imagine how she'll do when we've got more experience under our belts/girths and when we have time to warm-up. The people I showed against are very dedicated to the art of Classical Dressage, and they had a variety of horses at various stages. What was endearing is that they'd all be walking by with serious looks on their faces and then they'd see Juniper and it was like the sun breaking through the clouds. They'd all get this delicious grin on their faces when they looked at her, and we received lots of comments on how cute she is and how well she did at her first show. When I saw my riding instructor the following week, he told me that everyone he talked to was very impressed with her. I was never interested in showing now, but when you are riding a fjord, it can be a fun experience! The ribbons are secondary. The adventure is primary! Pamela Northern Holiday Horses Welcome Polaris
Re: FINALLY! -- Fjords are out there at open shows - Dressage & others
This message is from: "Carol Riviore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - I'm thrilled that it's finally happening. -- That Fjords are finally being recognized for the good performers they are, and I'm thrilled that finally there are owners and trainers taking Fjords to the bigger shows and doing such a good job that the judges and everybody else are FINALLY NOTICING! Congratulations to Pat Holland and her daughter for winning OVERALL HALTER CHAMPIONSHIP against Quarter Horses, Paints, & Arabs. -- That's something to think about, isn't it? That reminds me of the time years ago when our then trainer, Charlie Ballou of Vermont took Gjest to the Morgan Heritage Days Show in Tunbridge, VT, and entered him in the Justin Morgan Carriage Race, and Gjest won. I looked up the show's site recently and noticed they're still holding the Justin Morgan Race, but now the rules say it's "limited to registered Morgans". Congratulations to Lori Albrough for putting in such a good performance with her gelding that the judges were moved to sincere enthusiasm for the horse and the trainer. -- I feel these and othercomments I've been hearing about lately from dressage judges is SUPER SIGNIFICANT. -- Something is finally happening with our breed! -- Finally, the outside world seems to be recognizing that we've got a great horse here. A horse that's capable of doing what the big horses do, and apparently, in several cases, our Fjords are DOING IT BETTER! The judges comments are outstanding, for Test 1 she wrote "_Very_ nice test to watch. What a pleasure to see such an active horse who enjoys his work." Verbally she said to me afterwards that my horse's gaits were excellent with very good rhythm, regularity, and activity in walk, trot, AND canter. WOO-HOO! The comments on the Test 2 said "A pure joy... what everyone should have - a horse that is obedient, relaxed and happy. Good work" Yes, that is how many exclamation points the judge actually wrote on our test :-) She also said to me, "Congratulations, that is exactly how a dressage test should look." ~ I just had another email from our friend and customer Cindy Bickman in Atlanta, owner of several Fjords purchased from Beaver Dam Farm, including the Gorgeous Gelding, Ronaldo, the horse she's started competing at First Level dressage. -- Cindy wrote . . . "HI! Ronaldo continues to be a star! Andrea rode the freestyle again today - 67.7% - so they're qualfified for the Regional Championships! Ronaldo had a big cheering section & got a huge ovation at the end of the ride. He definitely attracts the attention. I was scribing laer & talking to the judge. She said "I just love the Fjords!" -- -- The choreographer we used wants a video of Ronaldo doing the Freestyle to send to USDF for the judges training progrm." And, I just got this email from Carol Taylor who purchased an imported mare from us two years ago. Carol is a long-time dressage rider (27 years, I believe) and had always ridden Warmbloods. -- She's now having a ball riding, driving and competing Tialda, an Ohlsen Junior daughter. -- She emailed . . . "And speaking of "Dressage Fjords" Tialda makes her "debut" in a recognized show over the 4th of July weekend at Training Level 2 and 4. The canter is not yet solid but we are sure making good progress in our schooling." ~~ And, of course, Elaine Olsen, has long been competing BDF Idar in open competition to very good results. -- Elaine hasn't been competing recently due to a broken ankle, suffered not in a horse accident, but in a gardening accident. -- -- Maybe if Elaine is tuned in, she'll tell us about BDF Idar's dressage accomplishments. -- The one comment from Elaine that I always remember with a chuckle is her telling me what her horse dentist had to say on one visit. -- The man said, "Oh! So, this is the famous Idar . . . . My dressage customers are really ticked off they're getting beaten by a pony." Isn't this great? That finally the Fjords are getting recognized for what they can do. -- I'm glad I lived long enough to see it. I was beginning to wonder if it would ever happen. But, guess what? -- This acceptance by dressage judges and beginning acceptance by riders is exclusive to North America. It is NOT happening in Europe. In Europe Fjords are still looked at as chubby, plodding ponies. I ran into this myself with two European driving instructors I took lessons from this Spring. I was driving Cindy and Mike Bickman
Re: shows
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In an evaluation the horses are not judged against each other, but against a standard. Thus the could be several blues, several reds, etc. I know that in some 4-H kids shows they are also judged against a standard, not each other, so that maybe the explanation. Jan in warm Fairbanks, Alaska, still light out at 10:PM. Summers are great here! >I have absolutely no experience with horse or dog shows. I have just stopped >by and listened a few times. Last summer, however, I was resting on the >bleachers and watched a bit of a kids' horse show. There were about 12 or >14 kids >there (most seemed to be 8 to 14 years or so). They gave out like 3 or 4 >white ribbons, then the same for red and blue. Every single kid got a 1st, >2nd, >or 3rd place ribbon!! They weren't calling out different categories - like >one > was getting a blue for this and one was getting a blue for that. I was > very >confused. When I hear that someone got a second place, I assume that means >there was only one person that scored higher than them. >Patty >Can someone explain this and does it only pertain to kids?
Re: shows
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/29/05 6:45:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not have any experience with the evaluation of horses, but having been involved in dog shows and showing dogs for many, many years, I have wondered about the process in evaluating a horse, as judges in dog shows have their own interpretations of what they "like and don't like". I have absolutely no experience with horse or dog shows. I have just stopped by and listened a few times. Last summer, however, I was resting on the bleachers and watched a bit of a kids' horse show. There were about 12 or 14 kids there (most seemed to be 8 to 14 years or so). They gave out like 3 or 4 white ribbons, then the same for red and blue. Every single kid got a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place ribbon!! They weren't calling out different categories - like one was getting a blue for this and one was getting a blue for that. I was very confused. When I hear that someone got a second place, I assume that means there was only one person that scored higher than them. Patty Can someone explain this and does it only pertain to kids?
Shows near Minneapolis
This message is from: "Pasqual, Patricia A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am looking for the contact information on the Kandi Classic, does anyone have an e-mail address so I can get on the list for the showbill? (trying to plan my show season so that includes more than just one show . . . ! It looks like the contact may be Mona Bonham, the person who originally trainer Elph to drive, but I have no other contact info than her name. Tish and Elph in Minneapolis
Fjord Shows
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have never attended a show before with a horse, so are unsure of how to train them for a show, such as Libby. Is there any guide that we could show to the trainer on what needs to be done for the Fjord shows. We have watched a couple shows, but seems like some of the stuff that is done is sort of a mystery to me. I have seen english something, western something, log pulling, driving, halter class, and who knows what else. Is there anywhere that explains this all in detail? I'm sure my trainer knows about certain types of shows, but I would like to read the rules/ guidelines for myself to make sure we do things right for the first show. We're not show people, but I would like my children to go to a couple shows, just because I like to have them try things and who knows, they might get the bug. I may even like to show a horse in a evaluation to see what that is all about if anybody has details that I could read on what all I need to train my horse to do for that, how to stand, how to walk, trot, manuvers, etc. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for any helpful replies. Mark Skeels
shows and sales
This message is from: "Gordon Fulton & Geri McNeil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I heard a news promo on Libby MT and being a Fjord guy I thought horses and show but it turned into how much asbestos was smuggled into Canada. We have attended the Libby show for several years on the spectators side and thought it would be interesting to see the show from the horses side. Had a good time as you meet more people with a horse in hand but it's easy to miss parts of the show with my pony needing attention and preparation. We did have a small hitch at the Canada/US boarder crossing. Not about the horse but the hay we brought to feed him. It turns out that all hay has to be predeclared before arriving at the point of entry. The US boarder officer was gracious and let us go with a "get it done next year" Yesterday we went into The Canadian Warmblood sale To see tall horses that look under fed but with an excess of energy. There was lots of people and flash to this sale. Now here's the fun part, as we were leaving one of participants noticed Geri's fjord jacket. She mentioned that she had a fjord as a young girl and would like a good horse again. So advertise where ever you can, you never know who wants to upgrade to a good fjord. Gordon and Geri on a nice fall day in Alberta
Re: Open Shows
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/30/2004 8:39:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember the first year we showed the judges had NO idea even what we were and often asked if we were a Haflinger. One thing you can do in this situation is to send a copy of the Fjord Breed Standard in with your registration for the show, with a note for the secretary to pass it along to the judge so he/she has a chance to review it well before the show. (If you are entering the day of the show this won't work as well of course...) Some judges just have not had the opportunity to dig up info on EVERY breed there is, and will appreciate the information. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Open Shows
This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jessica, just hang in there at open shows, it will get better. I remember the first year we showed the judges had NO idea even what we were and often asked if we were a halflinger. It is much better now, I would say last year and this so ALL the judges know what we are. Although you are correct they don't know what to do with us in the halter classes. The open shows in our area, are actually a QH circuit. We are not a QH, don't look like one, don't move like one, so they are stumped. My attitude is have fun, do the best you can and remember love your horse as much before the show as after. AND you will shine in the performance classes because just like you were told, Fjords are steady, consistent and nice movers. We catch the judges eyes and you go girl!! Patti Jo Walter Two Rivers WI -Still missing the big guy being gone.
Fjord Horse Shows
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to let everyone know of another show for Fjords. Our show - Oregon Gold Horse Show - is an open show which is a showcase for Fjords (and Haflingers) with specific classes open only to Fjords (or Haflingers). This two Day show has everything from Halter to dressage suitability, to trail on day one and a FULL range of driving classes on day 2. Pleasure, reinsmanship, cones, obstacles, etc. Our dates are May 17 & 18, 2003 and the show is held in Prineville OR at the Crook County Fairgrounds. This is one of very few shows in the state that offers more than just a couple of pleasure driving classes. We'd sure like to see more Fjords here this year!! For more information, you can Email me personally at < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Norway Fjord Horse Shows
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peg be careful your mare does not pack up on the wheat straw. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Norway Fjord Horse Shows
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enjoy Norway. I am so jealous!! I hope to go again next summer. Dagrun tried to convince me to go in winter, but that's a long shot for a California girl! Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our Fjords http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html";>Fjordings West
Norway Fjord Horse Shows
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all- At the last minute, I am able to go to Norway for the Young Stock and Stallion Shows. Am I ever excited! I will be expecting to see Julie every time I turn around, and that will be sad, but I feel much better being able to go than not. So many others there will share her loss, as she had, of course, scores of friends in Norway. Who else will be going from the US or Canada? Clark the goat seems to be recovering. He had acute renal failure, but gets stronger [and higher maintenance] daily. He is happy to be back where we all realize that he is a small horse, and do not mistake him for a goat, heaven forbid! Sadie is on day 327, and keeping us guessing. I'd feel better if she hadn't foaled last time with NO signs, other than her huge belly. Kariella is due in about a month - I'm hoping she delivers before I have to leave, but she is an experienced mom, and Doug will be here with the rest of the support team. Well, off to change the straw in the foaling stall. We're really lucky - this is the best wheat straw I've ever seen. No dust. And Doug just finished installing 2 lights on dimmer switches overhead. Just right for our little camera. How posh! Bye for now - Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.elltel.net/kffjord/
Fjord PR, shows etc.
This message is from: "Janne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Greetings from cold ND I had to just ditto what Steve said about people SEEING a fjord and then getting interested in the breed. Absolutely!!! I really do think the more we get "out there' the better for attracting new owners. Because of our location and having a very young family, we are not showing yet, but I have attended Blue Earth. Anyway, we do "show" out fjords off locally, which brings me to this: This coming Thursday, we will be at a huge expo, Marketplace of Ideas ND in Grand Forks, where there will be 6000 -1 visitors in one day,- and we will be the only ones with a live animal on exhibit AND, I just received a call from DC that ND Senator Konrad has requested to stop by our particular display to hear about our Fjords and visit!! So, here's to PR'ing fjords Fun fun fun. Janne Myrdal
Foal Shows in Germany
This message is from: "Linda Lehnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol, Here in Germany we have foal shows. The foals are suckling foals and are presented, of course, with their dams. Each mare and foal enters the ring separately and is first inspected by the judge in-hand. Then the foal is turned loose, the mare is led around the ring with the foal trotting or cantering so the judge can evaluate the movement. After all the foals are inspected in this way, the placings are announced and the ribbons awarded. The judge announces the placings with his rationale for the placing, i.e. breed type, conformation, movement, etc. This gives the owner a criteria for the overall quality of the foal. After the inspection, then the foals are branded. Here in Hessen Fjords, Hafis, ponies and other breeds of small horses, such as Isi Pferde, S. American gaited horses, etc. come under the auspices of Ponies aus Hessen. The brand is the Ponies aus Hessen brand with a number and is hot-branding. Ponies aus Hessen also issues the registration papers and the Pferdepass (horse passport), which has the information regarding markings recorded at the first inspection, the pedigree, space for changes of ownership, breeding certificate, an attachment for medical treatment and vaccinations, etc. It also contains the results of the inspection of the horse as a 3 year old. As you can see from what Eike Schoen-Petersen submitted to the last Digest, the criteria for stallion licensing here is very strict. The foal show is just a beginning and is the first step towards getting the colt on the road to the 30 day stallion testing, which, to the best of my knowledge, is mandatory. There are also additional inspections for mares after the 3 year old inspection to get the mare an upgraded rating, which, of course, adds to the value of her foals. It appears to me that the foal inspections are an excellent place to start for the foals to be evaluated as sucklings. This gives the owner something to go on to decide if the colt is a stallion prospect or a gelding prospect. The German system might be a good answer or at least a starting point. I reiterate my point about the contribution of the mares. You are justifiably proud of Stine since a mare of that quality producing consistent quality is an asset to any breeding program. Mediocre or poor quality mares will have inferior foals. I have seen so many people in public barns talking about breeding their mares and when I looked at the mares, I realized one was splay-footed, another couldn't travel in a straight line if her life depended on it and another had a terrible disposition. No one serious about breeding even one foal would consider breeding any of these mares since no stallion, no matter how outstanding, could overcome these problems. Thus, you cannot blame lesser quality or inferior foals just on people using stallions that are not really stallion quality, but have to consider the quality of the mares as well. Judging the fillies and the colts at the foals shows, followed by the 3 year old inspection gives the fillies' owners also useful information to determine if they are of breeding quality. Linda in der Odenwald Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! Click Here
Re: video tape fjord shows?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janet, I did some video of the Blue Earth show. The video is mostly of the people I know, but also some footage of other competitors and the "festivities". I also have video of the breed demos our group has done at the Midwest Horse Fair in Madison. You can contact me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are interested.Joni (of Milwaukee, WI)
Re: video tape fjord shows?
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Original Message Follows From: Janet McNally Subject: video tape fjord shows? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:41:16 -0500 Does anyone video tape the various fjord shows and evaluations and make these tapes available for sale? Janet One would wish, huh Janet?? As far as I know there is no official videotaped compilation footage of any of the Eval's nor any educational "how to" video. I think it would be a terribly effective educational tool to help Eval newbies learn the ropes. Nothing beats attending a clinic or an actual Eval, but as we are so distance challenged, (especially out west!), one would think that the NFHR (which recently published a balance of over 70k in the latest 'Herald') would pop for a professionally done, short, but to the point, video. As I am co-ordinating an Eval here in October, and know a local yokel, but professional videographer, I will inquire with him about what the cost of this might be Just my .002 cents worth. Kmac Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here
video tape fjord shows?
This message is from: Janet McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does anyone video tape the various fjord shows and evaluations and make these tapes available for sale? Janet
Re[2]: Competitor Conduct at Fjord Shows & Evaluations
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vivian-- Saturday, May 25, 2002, you wrote: > The difficulty I see in regional Fjord shows is there is no > Technical Delegate to help diffuse the competitors anger and if the > TD perceives a real problem can then facilitate setting things > straight... My comment on qualified judges is in no way meant to > demean the NFHR list of judges it is just that in my opinion it > takes a mighty amazing judge to be familiar with the NGB rules > governing all the disciplines that take place at a breed show. I certainly agree with what you say, however I believe it would be just a hard to find TDs with the requisite breadth of knowledge as judges. And without an agreed set of rules to take as a starting point how can either judges/TDs or competitors really know what's expected in the ring? Just as an example, in a Fjord show several years ago the locally written rules for an obstacle driving class called for elimination for a break to canter, but didn't bother to define a break. As a result, the majority of competitors were eliminated. When I talked to the judge later he said he was aware of the ADS 3 stride definition of a break, and that only a time penalty was called for on the first three breaks, but he was stuck with the rules he had been given by the show committee. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA If I be once on horse-back, I alight very unwillingly; for it is the seat I like best. --Michel Eyquem de Montaigne(1533-1592)
Re: Competitor Conduct at Fjord Shows & Evaluations
This message is from: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve McIlree5/25/02 2:31 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > If anyone is going to throw back the rhetoric about outside rules > destroying the friendly family atmosphere of the shows, please > explain exactly how standard, proven rules would do that. You are not going to get any argument from me, Steve. Rules prevail in every recognized competition and they are there to level the playing field for all so discrepencies do not or should not happen. The difficulty I see in regional Fjord shows is there is no Technical Delegate to help diffuse the competitors anger and if the TD perceives a real problem can then facilitate setting things straight. Because everyone at a regional Fjord show are friends or at least acquainted with one another it is difficult for the show committee members to remain neutral. Also often the members of the show committee are themselves showing which compromises any conflict of interest issues. Management should not compete especially if they have hired the judges. HUGE CONFLICT If a show publishes that the driving classes will be run according to ADS rules but there are show committee members that always drive without nosebands or cavessons on their driving bridles it is quite likely that this ADS rule will be ignored. If the judge judging the driving classes is not an ADS judge it is unlikely he/she will know that there is such a rule or if they do know that it is a rule and approach a show committee member about it is possible they will be told to ignore it because "Fjord people" routinely drive without nosebands. This scenario is pure conjecture. I am just trying to point out how these issues often play out. Rules for all but the "Fun classes" have already been worked out by the USA Eq, ADS, USDF etc. But saying you will run a show according to those rules and then having a judge and management that is unfamiliar with those rules defeats the purpose. Publishing that your show will be run by certain rules is a great start but unless you have an impartial, knowledgeable person (TD) to make sure that those rules are followed and a judging panel that is also familiar with the rules and general protocol you will not be able to effectively put those rules into effect. Failure to play by the rules will in some instances be grounds for elimination, but just try and tell someone at a local Fjord show that they have been elminated because their harness doesn't conform to ADS rules and believe me you'll have a fight on your hands. By the way only the judge can eliminate a competitor. There is absolutely no reason that the NFHR needs to reinvent the wheel by writing their own rules or even sanctioning regional Fjord shows. Some of the issues Brian referred to in his post would be covered under USAEq or ADS rules, but unless the show committee spends the money to hire qualified judges and a licensed TD the show committees should save money on ink and not bother to publish any affiliations. My above comment on qualified judges is in no way meant to demean the NFHR list of judges it is just that in my opinion it takes a mighty amazing judge to be familiar with the NGB rules governing all the disciplines that take place at a breed show. As for Brian's comment on profanity, throwing hayforks and the like that can be chalked up to poor social skills, nothing more. Unless the profanity was directed personally towards the judge there isn't much one can do about that type of behaviour. However, if there were a TD officiating he/she could take that person aside and try and "calm things down a bit" . I have always admired licensed TDs in Driving because they must wear so many hats and remain gracious and efficient at all times. How do they do that? This turned out to be too long and a bit redundant, sorry. Have a Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone. Vivian Creigh
Re: Competitor Conduct at Fjord Shows & Evaluations
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brian-- Thursday, May 23, 2002, you wrote: > For some time now I have encouraged the NFHR to adopt a standard set > of show rules for all shows they have sanctioned... Well, Mike points out that the NFHR doesn't sanction shows, but maybe it's time that some thought was given in that direction. It would be real nice to have one set of rules so people could go to any Fjord show and not run into any surprises. Of course, as Mike also pointed out the NFHR has ALREADY published a set of standard show rules. So what is the problem with the regional shows adopting them? For the most part, the Registry's rules follow those that have been proved workable by the AHSA and ADS. If the purpose of the regional clubs is to promote the Fjord Horse, one of the best things they can to is get members showing up at open horse shows with their Fjords. And learning the rules that the general horse community competes by at friendly local shows makes a lot of sense. So let me ask once more, why don't the regional groups just start using the NFHR rules? If anyone is going to throw back the rhetoric about outside rules destroying the friendly family atmosphere of the shows, please explain exactly how standard, proven rules would do that. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA Horses carry the history of mankind on their backs. If you should find one is carrying you as well, acknowledge your good fortune and indeed your honor. --Lucinda Prior Palmer(b. 1953)
Competitor Conduct at Fjord Shows & Evaluations
This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List from Brian Jensen; After another E-Mail about show conduct by competitors I thought it imperative to write the list about these issues. As we conduct ourselves in life-there are standards and guidelines for conduct at shows and Evaluations. If my information is an indicator there is an increasing amount of improper, impolite, and disrespectful conduct by some competitors at our shows and Evaluations. This conduct- be it profanity in public; unfair gossip and criticism of fellow members or Show Committees or Judges is not acceptable under any circumstances. Conduct--as outlined in CEF Rules. All participants are obliged to conduct themselves in an orderly manner and in the best interest of the horse and show. Management, or the Show Committee shall bar violators from further participation for the remainder of the show. A report of continued violation or incident be forwarded to the designated authority for any disciplinary action deemed necessary. If a competitor acts in a manner contrary to the Show Rules, or in a manner deemed improper, unethical, dishonest, unsportsmanlike, or prejudicial to themselves, others, committee members, or well being of their animals; is not acceptable. Making remarks considered offensive, or with the intent to influence or cast aspersions on the character of the Judge or any other person at the show is not acceptable. Examples of infractions I am aware of are profanity in public. Throwing hay forks at other competitors , Deformation of the character of officials.Knowingly breaking show rules to suit oneself. For some time now I have encouraged the NFHR to adopt a standard set of show rules for all shows they have sanctioned and insured. In Canada our show insurance is void if the standard set of show rules have not been followed. It is unfortunate that I have to address these issues. Competitors naturally become very emotional and sometimes say or do things they would later regret. The present incidents now seem to have occurred sometime-somewhere in all Fjord shows, and does not seem to be diminishing . If you are unhappy with a situation at a show there is a protocol that is universal to all sanctioned events. The procedure for lodging protests and requesting appeals is directed to the show committee with a deposit of about 50.00.If the protest or appeal is upheld ones deposit is returned. An example of this protocol being used happened at Libby last fall. After a driving runaway in a class it was noticed some entrants were driving without nosebands which are ADS Rules regulation. Some entrants were removed from the class but others were allowed to continue without the proper driving equipment.This confusion could be totally eliminated with standard rules and guidelines. Sincerely--Brian Jensen Ursula & Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
Re: Competitor Conduct at Fjord Shows & Evaluations
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:38 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List from Brian Jensen; For some time now I have encouraged the NFHR to adopt a standard set of show rules for all shows they have sanctioned and insured. In Canada our show insurance is void if the standard set of show rules have not been followed. Just to clarify this part a bit Brian. First of all the NFHR does NOT sanction or insure any horse shows. The NFHR only holds the Evaluations. Sometimes they are in conjunction with a horse show but they are separate events. The NFHR has published rules for horse shows but they are not binding & are up to each group to use them or not. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Competitor Conduct at Fjord Shows & Evaluations
This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List from Brian Jensen; After another E-Mail about show conduct by competitors I thought it imperative to write the list about these issues. As we conduct ourselves in life-there are standards and guidelines for conduct at shows and Evaluations. If my information is an indicator there is an increasing amount of improper, impolite, and disrespectful conduct by some competitors at our shows and Evaluations. This conduct- be it profanity in public; unfair gossip and criticism of fellow members or Show Committees or Judges is not acceptable under any circumstances. Conduct--as outlined in CEF Rules. All participants are obliged to conduct themselves in an orderly manner and in the best interest of the horse and show. Management, or the Show Committee shall bar violators from further participation for the remainder of the show. A report of continued violation or incident be forwarded to the designated authority for any disciplinary action deemed necessary. If a competitor acts in a manner contrary to the Show Rules, or in a manner deemed improper, unethical, dishonest, unsportsmanlike, or prejudicial to themselves, others, committee members, or well being of their animals; is not acceptable. Making remarks considered offensive, or with the intent to influence or cast aspersions on the character of the Judge or any other person at the show is not acceptable. Examples of infractions I am aware of are profanity in public. Throwing hay forks at other competitors , Deformation of the character of officials.Knowingly breaking show rules to suit oneself. For some time now I have encouraged the NFHR to adopt a standard set of show rules for all shows they have sanctioned and insured. In Canada our show insurance is void if the standard set of show rules have not been followed. It is unfortunate that I have to address these issues. Competitors naturally become very emotional and sometimes say or do things they would later regret. The present incidents now seem to have occurred sometime-somewhere in all Fjord shows, and does not seem to be diminishing . If you are unhappy with a situation at a show there is a protocol that is universal to all sanctioned events. The procedure for lodging protests and requesting appeals is directed to the show committee with a deposit of about 50.00.If the protest or appeal is upheld ones deposit is returned. An example of this protocol being used happened at Libby last fall. After a driving runaway in a class it was noticed some entrants were driving without nosebands which are ADS Rules regulation. Some entrants were removed from the class but others were allowed to continue without the proper driving equipment.This confusion could be totally eliminated with standard rules and guidelines. Sincerely--Brian Jensen Ursula & Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
Re: snow & cold: was 2002 Shows
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I worm with Ivermectin in the spring and then put them on the daily Strongid (or another brand of Pyrantel ) for the summer. With no bots here, I didn't worm with Ivermectin at the end of the summer, altho I stopped the daily wormer after the snow came to stay. Now have been waiting for warmer weather to give them Ivermectin. Temps hopefully will reach + 20 tomorrow..(Not the -20 I posted in my last message) Boy, we haven't seen above zero temps here since October I think...sure has been a cold one so far! It's times like this I start thinking about moving south.. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, tired of bragging about our cold...I want Warmer weather! >am at it, with all this talk of worming, is now a good time. We did the worming >thing last spring and figured it was too late to do it again. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: snow & cold: was 2002 Shows
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alright, so it isn't Alaska. Our temperature is around 14 in the early part of the day and warms up to 20. During the night it has been dropping to 0. While I am at it, with all this talk of worming, is now a good time. We did the worming thing last spring and figured it was too late to do it again. Our horses are pretty good with medication and we just love them up and stick the tube in the side of their mouth and push the plunger. Don't seem to have too much trouble. Thanks for all the saddle information, I have been pretty much grounded as I don't trust our saddles on the Fjords. Maybe with something made for their shape, I can ride again. Merry Holidays Pat ttfn Jean Ernest wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Utah is expecting snow through Saturday, don't know about Monday and Tuesday. > >Hopefully, we have a temperature inversion in Cache valley and I think > even our > >cold loving Fjords are getting tired of being this cold. > >pat > > So how cold it it Pat? Fairbanks is warming up (-15F presently) after about > three weeks of COLD temps, was -40 F last night. Supposed to hit zero > today and up to -20 tomorrow, hopefully snow! There was not much of an > inversion this last week, it was -35 and colder even up on the hills! > Guess my fjords are a bit tired of the cold, too, altho they get a lot more > hay when it is this cold, which, of course , would make any fjord happy! > > Hopefully I'll be able to get their very bushy manes cut and maybe even > have the farrier out to trim the mares' long hooves..He can't trim in the > below zero weather as the hoof will crack in the cold and wouldn't trim > just before the forecasted cold spell as they could have problems then also. > Hopefully it will snow some too, providing more cushioning from the very > hard frozen ground. We have had only a few inches of snow this year and > not enough to insulate our septic systems or make for good trails for > winter activities. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, hoping for snow and warmer weather! 3:40 hours > daylight, but we will start GAINING daylight in a few days! Hooray! > > > Jean Ernest > Fairbanks, Alaska > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
snow & cold: was 2002 Shows
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Utah is expecting snow through Saturday, don't know about Monday and Tuesday. >Hopefully, we have a temperature inversion in Cache valley and I think even our >cold loving Fjords are getting tired of being this cold. >pat So how cold it it Pat? Fairbanks is warming up (-15F presently) after about three weeks of COLD temps, was -40 F last night. Supposed to hit zero today and up to -20 tomorrow, hopefully snow! There was not much of an inversion this last week, it was -35 and colder even up on the hills! Guess my fjords are a bit tired of the cold, too, altho they get a lot more hay when it is this cold, which, of course , would make any fjord happy! Hopefully I'll be able to get their very bushy manes cut and maybe even have the farrier out to trim the mares' long hooves..He can't trim in the below zero weather as the hoof will crack in the cold and wouldn't trim just before the forecasted cold spell as they could have problems then also. Hopefully it will snow some too, providing more cushioning from the very hard frozen ground. We have had only a few inches of snow this year and not enough to insulate our septic systems or make for good trails for winter activities. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, hoping for snow and warmer weather! 3:40 hours daylight, but we will start GAINING daylight in a few days! Hooray! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2002 Shows
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Utah is expecting snow through Saturday, don't know about Monday and Tuesday. Hopefully, we have a temperature inversion in Cache valley and I think even our cold loving Fjords are getting tired of being this cold. pat ttfn Curtis Pierce wrote: > This message is from: Curtis Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Everyone > > > This message is from: "carol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Yes, The sooner I have the summer dates (2002) ... The better to plan > > ahead. I set my teaching schedule 8 months in advance ... so I need to know > > which days to take off. Please send any show dates available. > > > > "Hi there: > > Just wondering if anyone knows if the Fjord Show in Woodstock has a > > tentative > > date for 2002. If anyone has information in regards to this show could you > > please send them our way!!" > > > > I can not give you the offical dates for the Woodstock show, but I think > that the dates are August 23 - 25. The show will be an important topic > at the Northeast Fjord Horse Association meeting on Jan 13. > > Curt Pierce > Bristow VA > Anyone out there expecting to see snow on their Fjords for Christmas?
Re: 2002 Shows
This message is from: Curtis Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Everyone > This message is from: "carol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yes, The sooner I have the summer dates (2002) ... The better to plan > ahead. I set my teaching schedule 8 months in advance ... so I need to know > which days to take off. Please send any show dates available. > > "Hi there: > Just wondering if anyone knows if the Fjord Show in Woodstock has a tentative > date for 2002. If anyone has information in regards to this show could you > please send them our way!!" > I can not give you the offical dates for the Woodstock show, but I think that the dates are August 23 - 25. The show will be an important topic at the Northeast Fjord Horse Association meeting on Jan 13. Curt Pierce Bristow VA Anyone out there expecting to see snow on their Fjords for Christmas?
2002 Shows
This message is from: "carol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, The sooner I have the summer dates (2002) ... The better to plan ahead. I set my teaching schedule 8 months in advance ... so I need to know which days to take off. Please send any show dates available. "Hi there: Just wondering if anyone knows if the Fjord Show in Woodstock has a tentative date for 2002. If anyone has information in regards to this show could you please send them our way!!" Carol Tacey Totem Farm, Rhode Island www.painteasy.com/The-Farm.htm
Re: bizarre QH shows and a near accident
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/8/01 10:07:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Since this was a "schooling show" we expected lots of kids and a relaxed > atmosphere. NOT. The competitors looked so stiff and nervous, they would > shatter if you touched them. The horse's gaits were something else... Walk > was ok, but with head tucked between knees. The horse who won all the > walk-jog classes had basically learned how to walk in 2 beats. And the > lope, > ugh, I don't even want to go there! Dagrun joked that we could teach our > Fjords how to do this gait by making them trot really slow, and laming one > of > First, it's nice to see your posts. For the longest time your posts never came through to me! A lot of the QH people really do NOT like the peanut rolling anymore. Look to Foundation Quarter Horse shows if you want to see a QH as it should be. Too many fads in the AQHA shows, such as the beefy bodies, little feet, breeding HYPP positive horses just to win a halter class. Go figure. Anyway, I'm surprised they're still doing the peanut rolling in AQHA shows. I had heard that most people were trying to change that. We have a beautiful QH palomino mare in our herd. She was trained the way you described before we bought her. She's THE most sensitive horse I have ever met, yet she was trained and ridden with long shanked bits and spurs. We've been working hard to get her trust, and finally are succeeding. She was so proud when I first got on her, she dropped her head, did the little teeny tiny step thing to show me what she could do. I was almost in tears. Now, with our classical dressage trainer, and years of undoing the initial damage, we have a horse that has a BEAUTIFUL carriage, a lovely trot. And a nice canter. She has the finest mouth of any horse I've ever had the pleasure to ride. Pamela
RE: bizarre QH shows and a near accident
This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, definitely a "different" experience, Brigid! Poor horses. We were thinking of staying until the end to see the reining, but the "jog" and "loping" got too much for us so we had to leave! On the positive side, there was one girl in the halter classes and another (slightly older) girl in the riding classes who seemed to have a good time, they were smiling naturally(!!) and were gentle to the horses. Looking forward to seeing some real fjord western riding in the future. And Brigid, I agree this wasn't the show for you... I am sure you will find something nicer! Dagrun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:02 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: bizarre QH shows and a near accident This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All- List member Dagrun & I met at Skandifest, and hit it off right away. We spent last weekend together doing horsey things. Saturday, Jack, Dagrun & I traveled to Santa Rosa for our lesson with Kacey Ashley. I rode English, Jack rode Western, and Dagrun drove (a Standardbred, quite different!). We all learned a lot. Think I finally am posting properly, wahoo! Sunday Jack had some work to do, so Dagrun & I hit the road for Stockton to watch a Western schooling show. Let me preface by saying I love Western riding (well, I love English too). I love the loose rein, the relaxed gaits, the tack & attire, all of it. However my only experience has been at FJORD shows. I had heard about "peanut rolling" and all that but hadn't seen it LIVE. O-M-G!! Since this was a "schooling show" we expected lots of kids and a relaxed atmosphere. NOT. The competitors looked so stiff and nervous, they would shatter if you touched them. The horse's gaits were something else... Walk was ok, but with head tucked between knees. The horse who won all the walk-jog classes had basically learned how to walk in 2 beats. And the lope, ugh, I don't even want to go there! Dagrun joked that we could teach our Fjords how to do this gait by making them trot really slow, and laming one of their legs so they would "hop." Not a pretty sight. Since this was a schooling show, the competitors were allowed to warm up in, and in some classes compete in, their "gimmicks." Now, I'm against tying-down devices of any sort, so you can imagine how I felt to see the horse's heads tied not just to their girths as one might see in an English device, but to their KNEES. One horse in the warm up pen had his head tied down to his knees and in towards his body at a 45 degree angle, and the rider was loping him in this getup. Just as I commented to Dagrun that this horse must be totally blind in the position, the horse crashed into a cone and almost fell over. Very, very sad. So I thought, how can these people not "hear" the cries of these suffering animals? How can they ignore the uncomfortable body language and labored movement? One must really have to be "deaf" to participate in such an event. Which leads to my next part of the story, the near accident... There was only one entry in the lead-line class, a cute 5 year old girl. She was all dressed up and sat smiling and holding the reins (tied in a knot in case she dropped them) while her Dad lead her around. Right away we noticed her mount was a little "hot" for a lead-line class. At one point he spun completely around, and we were amazed that the girl didn't fall. Then he started neighing and pawing impatiently. It worried me, and I was relieved when the class was over and the horse led out of the arena. Imagine my surprise when the next class was announced, "Walk Only," and the Dad brought the horse back into the arena and unclipped the lead shank! The tiny girl obviously had no control over the large horse, who turned right around and exited the arena. Dad pushed the horse back in and said, "Come on honey, ride the horse." He then turned his back. The horse chose that moment to again exit the arena, and TAKE OFF. We were astounded that no one grabbed the horse (there were 10 or more people around the gate) and Dad simply said, "Honey, stop the horse." Our hearts stopped as the horse trotted, then galloped away with the poor girl screaming, then crying on his back. Thank God there was grass nearby. The runaway stopped and started to graze. Amazingly, the little girl stayed on. Had she fallen off that big horse on the concrete... I don't even want to think about it. Unfortunately another child was injured, a 3 year old boy who was standing near the gate. The horse had literally run over him, knocking him over and splitting his lip. Western riding is sort of a novelty in Norway, and I'm afraid Dagru
Re: bizarre QH shows and a near accident
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brigid I had hoped the western riders were coming out of this ,pardon the word, "stupid" affair of altering the horses natural posture. At least in dressage the "on the bit" and posture is seen in the natural stance and gaits. Also a parent setting a child up like that occurs everywhere and is also a very poor horsemanship. Have seen some bad crashes in jumping shows where old horses and young children go down. Makes you want to go over and lecture the parents, which I have done on several occasions. Sounds like you are having a great horsey time. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, Wa 98563
bizarre QH shows and a near accident
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All- List member Dagrun & I met at Skandifest, and hit it off right away. We spent last weekend together doing horsey things. Saturday, Jack, Dagrun & I traveled to Santa Rosa for our lesson with Kacey Ashley. I rode English, Jack rode Western, and Dagrun drove (a Standardbred, quite different!). We all learned a lot. Think I finally am posting properly, wahoo! Sunday Jack had some work to do, so Dagrun & I hit the road for Stockton to watch a Western schooling show. Let me preface by saying I love Western riding (well, I love English too). I love the loose rein, the relaxed gaits, the tack & attire, all of it. However my only experience has been at FJORD shows. I had heard about "peanut rolling" and all that but hadn't seen it LIVE. O-M-G!! Since this was a "schooling show" we expected lots of kids and a relaxed atmosphere. NOT. The competitors looked so stiff and nervous, they would shatter if you touched them. The horse's gaits were something else... Walk was ok, but with head tucked between knees. The horse who won all the walk-jog classes had basically learned how to walk in 2 beats. And the lope, ugh, I don't even want to go there! Dagrun joked that we could teach our Fjords how to do this gait by making them trot really slow, and laming one of their legs so they would "hop." Not a pretty sight. Since this was a schooling show, the competitors were allowed to warm up in, and in some classes compete in, their "gimmicks." Now, I'm against tying-down devices of any sort, so you can imagine how I felt to see the horse's heads tied not just to their girths as one might see in an English device, but to their KNEES. One horse in the warm up pen had his head tied down to his knees and in towards his body at a 45 degree angle, and the rider was loping him in this getup. Just as I commented to Dagrun that this horse must be totally blind in the position, the horse crashed into a cone and almost fell over. Very, very sad. So I thought, how can these people not "hear" the cries of these suffering animals? How can they ignore the uncomfortable body language and labored movement? One must really have to be "deaf" to participate in such an event. Which leads to my next part of the story, the near accident... There was only one entry in the lead-line class, a cute 5 year old girl. She was all dressed up and sat smiling and holding the reins (tied in a knot in case she dropped them) while her Dad lead her around. Right away we noticed her mount was a little "hot" for a lead-line class. At one point he spun completely around, and we were amazed that the girl didn't fall. Then he started neighing and pawing impatiently. It worried me, and I was relieved when the class was over and the horse led out of the arena. Imagine my surprise when the next class was announced, "Walk Only," and the Dad brought the horse back into the arena and unclipped the lead shank! The tiny girl obviously had no control over the large horse, who turned right around and exited the arena. Dad pushed the horse back in and said, "Come on honey, ride the horse." He then turned his back. The horse chose that moment to again exit the arena, and TAKE OFF. We were astounded that no one grabbed the horse (there were 10 or more people around the gate) and Dad simply said, "Honey, stop the horse." Our hearts stopped as the horse trotted, then galloped away with the poor girl screaming, then crying on his back. Thank God there was grass nearby. The runaway stopped and started to graze. Amazingly, the little girl stayed on. Had she fallen off that big horse on the concrete... I don't even want to think about it. Unfortunately another child was injured, a 3 year old boy who was standing near the gate. The horse had literally run over him, knocking him over and splitting his lip. Western riding is sort of a novelty in Norway, and I'm afraid Dagrun will not have any good experiences to report! OK Karen McCarthy, when Dagrun returns next year we're visiting your place to see how it's PROPERLY done : ) Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Fjords / )__~ /L /L
Re: Draft Shows
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Congratulations. You go Fjords!
pat wilson
ttfn
Frank & Sally Higgins wrote:
> This message is from: "Frank & Sally Higgins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hi, Listers! this is mainly directed to Deidre Lange. We showed our Fjords
> in draft shows, and we were odd man out. Too big for 'Pony Draft', and
> considered too small for reg. drafts. We persisted, and ended up showing
> against Belgians, Percherons, etc. The first year we weren't even
> considered! Judges looked down their noses at us. So, the next year I went
> prepared with a Judging Standard for Fjords, presenting it to show
> secretaries for the judges to see. {Always gave to show secretaries; direct
> to judge is a 'no-no'} Due to that, our Fjords were finally 'looked at'.
> Draft owners called ours "the little horses'. They were very good to show
> against, and made allowances for our size and were very polite to us. We
> trimmed butt in log twitching, much to our pleasure! Performance classes we
> shown! Won "Matched Pair" many times, and showed that 'big things do come
> in little packages"!! So, my suggestion is, print out a copy of the Judging
> Standard, and have it ready to present to the judging booth. Let them KNOW
> what a Fjord is all about! Persevere, and you will succeed!
> Good Luck in your showing, and 'kick butt' !!
>
> Sally in Maine who misses her Fjords
Re: Draft Shows
This message is from: "Frank & Sally Higgins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi, Listers! this is mainly directed to Deidre Lange. We showed our Fjords
in draft shows, and we were odd man out. Too big for 'Pony Draft', and
considered too small for reg. drafts. We persisted, and ended up showing
against Belgians, Percherons, etc. The first year we weren't even
considered! Judges looked down their noses at us. So, the next year I went
prepared with a Judging Standard for Fjords, presenting it to show
secretaries for the judges to see. {Always gave to show secretaries; direct
to judge is a 'no-no'} Due to that, our Fjords were finally 'looked at'.
Draft owners called ours "the little horses'. They were very good to show
against, and made allowances for our size and were very polite to us. We
trimmed butt in log twitching, much to our pleasure! Performance classes we
shown! Won "Matched Pair" many times, and showed that 'big things do come
in little packages"!! So, my suggestion is, print out a copy of the Judging
Standard, and have it ready to present to the judging booth. Let them KNOW
what a Fjord is all about! Persevere, and you will succeed!
Good Luck in your showing, and 'kick butt' !!
Sally in Maine who misses her Fjords
American shows
This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Brigid! I'll try to find it at Amazon. Will be interesting! Dagrun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:37 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: hitching at 2 This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/18/01 3:49:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I am learning as much as I can about American horse culture... went to a show Saturday, all these classes are S confusing, hunter hack and pleasure and equitation and all. Is there some good book that describes them all? >> Hi Dagrun- Tell me about it! A good book is called "From the Center of the Ring" by Cherry Hill. Describes in detail many things about horse shows. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our Fjords
Re: shows and hoopla
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thank you dagrun. good to see the newbie to the list post. better to get as many viewpoints as possible!!! denise ;~)
RE: shows and hoopla
This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Denise, I used to train and show a Fjord stallion (Kneist) in Norway who behaved just like this... I had to accept that taking him to a show required full time attention on him by two(!) people...I HAD to bring a groom to be able to saddle up. He would also give my groom trouble when holding and leading him, so usually I let my groom sit up and walk him quietly around...at safe distance from other horses... I could never tie him up, he would kick the trailer (and nearby cars if he had the chance)..he was just too excited and full of energy. For dressage, we would have to warm him up for up to 1 1/2 hour!! Especially if there were mares in heat around - it would take ages for him to concentrate on his work. After a few shows he started to calm down, and by the end of the season I could take him to shows alone. Luckily he behaved when "parked" inside his trailer, so I could register and walk the course and stuff. So my only advice is to be patient, your horse will surely calm down after a few shows. I think most horses behave like this at their first shows (except the fjords of course...:-)) Good luck! Dagrun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Denise Delgado Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 9:40 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: shows and hoopla This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> listers, please give me tips on getting a horse to calm down and behave when i take them to large horse gatherings. my fjord did very well for his first time tonight, but the other one, a regular horse, "pitched a fit" in jord's words and made my husband's evening miserable. she would just not calm down! he did ride her, but she was antsy and jumpy and just a pain in the a! he tied her to the trailer and she started pawing and banging on the trailer etc. she kept calling for quinn and generally acted like a nutcase. she has never acted this way. the only thing it could be maybe, was the large number of horses (about 50) and the ruckus; announcers, whooping and hollering, calves, dust, and general comotion. maybe pms? any ideas, next to heavy drugs? for both the horse and my husband. glad to be home. denise
Re: shows and hoopla
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thank you mary and bridgid and all the rest for your great advice. i will preservere with my non-fjord mare. quinn is no problem, except if he preceives her to be upset. denise
Re: shows and hoopla
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/9/01 9:40:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << listers, please give me tips on getting a horse to calm down and behave when i take them to large horse gatherings. >> Hi Denise- Good for you for taking your horses to try new things. it's always worth it! I have been sticking my neck out with the local horsemen's group trying clinics and groups trail rides (can you say 70 riders!!). << announcers, whooping and hollering, calves, dust, and general comotion. maybe pms? any ideas, next to heavy drugs? >> Exposure. That's the only thing. All the outside influences will eventually become a non-issue. Just keep it fun & productive. You're a fan of John Lyons -- follow his advice of doing what you can, not what you can't. Don't ask too much of your mare at these gatherings and give her lavish praise when she tries to behave. Too bad she's not a Fjord -- I can convince Tommes to go to just about any event if I tell him he'll be admired : ) Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our Fjords
shows and hoopla
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> listers, please give me tips on getting a horse to calm down and behave when i take them to large horse gatherings. my fjord did very well for his first time tonight, but the other one, a regular horse, "pitched a fit" in jord's words and made my husband's evening miserable. she would just not calm down! he did ride her, but she was antsy and jumpy and just a pain in the a! he tied her to the trailer and she started pawing and banging on the trailer etc. she kept calling for quinn and generally acted like a nutcase. she has never acted this way. the only thing it could be maybe, was the large number of horses (about 50) and the ruckus; announcers, whooping and hollering, calves, dust, and general comotion. maybe pms? any ideas, next to heavy drugs? for both the horse and my husband. glad to be home. denise
Re: Traditional classes at shows
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, well, well, Lisa... so, just what is the definition of a 'traditional' fjord horse show class? I am really in the dark on this one! I need to correct you on Turlock. Last year we did offer a Logskid, and will again this year as well. Our driving manager, Kasey Ashley, is still formatting the classes. We would really like to add a pair driving class (or two!) but right now, we only have (1) pair driver on the horizon...so, come all you multiple drivers & ye shall have! Karen _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Traditional classes at shows
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/14/01 11:53:46 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I also thought it would be neat to have a real logsdid utilising some of the woods surronding the show area at Libby. >> How about having the Fjord shows continue to show what Fjords traditionally did ? When I started going to Fjord shows, most had logg skidding and pulling classes. Both were crowd favorites, and were highly attended. I have been disapointed to find that only the Blue Earth show offered both, anymore. The Turlock show didnt offer either last few years if I remember right. Dont know what Woodstock does, but sure would like to see the Norwegian traditional events continue at these events. Lisa Pedersen * whos too old and fat to skid logs, but would volunteer to sit on top of the pulling skid. LP
Fw: Statement from American Horse Shows Association (AHSA) Officers
This message is from: "lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thought you all would like to read this Catherine Lassesen - Original Message - From: "AHSAinfo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:11 PM Subject: Statement from American Horse Shows Association (AHSA) Officers > American Horse Shows Association (AHSA)Officers today issued the following > statement. > > February 1, 2001 > > To the Equestrian Community: > > The stakes are high regarding the governance issues now pending before the > United States Olympic Committee (USOC). Its decision regarding our NGB > (National Governing Body) status will likely affect every participant in the > sport, from the children in pony rings to the elite athletes. The AHSA has > a duty to bring all relevant information to light, in its role as the > long-standing NGB for the sport, so that everyone in the sport will have the > opportunity to be well-informed. In no way do we intend any informational > effort to be divisive. The debate now underway will bring forward differing > perspectives so that each individual in the sport may discuss the issues at > hand, on the merits. > > The facilitated Strategic Planning Process (SPI), underway since November > 2000, has been a worthy effort with moments of real progress as both AHSA > and United States Equestrian Team (USET) representatives struggled to set > aside differences and grapple with what is in the best interest of our > sport. However, with the most recent vote of the USET Board indicating its > unwillingness to further consider any merger of the two organizations' > capabilities, we at the AHSA have reached the conclusion that this > collaborative effort has come to a close. > > The AHSA is not closing the door on the best thinking and the spirit of a > unified equestrian community that existed at the last meeting of the SPI. > Our next step is to prepare a proposal to be considered by the USOC > Membership and Credentials Committee. The proposal will be inclusive of > many of the best ideas emerging from the SPI while examining and taking > steps to address any governance issues for the AHSA that have been > questioned by the USOC. > > We believe, and the Ted Stevens Olympic and Amateur Sports Act along with > the FEI and AHSA rules require, that the NGB of equestrian sport must > fulfill an active leadership role, assuring - > > - The health and well-being of horses > > - National and international competitive excellence > > - Fair and consistent application of the rules and regulations of > our sport > > - Fair, transparent and conflict-free selection procedures and > selection processes for all international and national teams and tours > > - A clear connection and opportunity for grassroots riders to both > support and aspire to the ranks of Olympic competitive excellence. > > - Efficiency and elimination of duplication among organizations to > enhance direct and indirect financial support of our athletes, with 'one > stop shopping' for fulfilling their needs > > AHSA supports unifying the equestrian sport, providing focus for athletes > and participants at every level and attention across disciplines and breeds, > and expanding the support base to enable more athletes to compete. > > Unfortunately, we believe our equestrian sport has for too long been > perceived as an elite sport with competitions often out of the reach of many > who might otherwise be qualified to excel. > > At the same time, we also know the financial capability to nurture and field > world class teams is critical to success. We believe a broad-based > financial program managed by a unified organization with financial > stability, solid infrastructure and sound stewardship can best do this for > today's athletes and tomorrow's. Our sense of today and our wish for the > future both prompt us to think about how our sport is funded and how it is > perceived and marketed. We believe there is an exciting opportunity to > raise awareness and enthusiasm, funds from many sources, and the support > necessary to enhance our new profile and our competitive excellence. > > We continue to encourage the USET to consider joining the best of its > capabilities with the best of ours. As the next few weeks unfold, we will > flesh out the most basic concepts for the USOC to consider. One is a > potential consolidation of organizational capabilities with a minimum of > disruption - a transformed NGB with full responsibility for today's > stewardship of the sport and a vision for tomorrow's potential. > > We must fulfill the USOC's m
Shows for Fjords in Oregon
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello, OHA has approved Fjords as a listed Breed for their organization. Below are Horse Shows that are open to Fjords. Last year they had 49 shows. Currently they have 33 that are in the planning. Top Award this year will be a SUNDOWNER TRAILER (Use of it for a year), Saddles (English and Western) and more. For all of you in and near Oregon... Come join us and SHOW, SHOW, SHOW... Catherine Lassesen NORTH COAST BENEFIT OPEN HORSE SHOW MARCH 4, 2001 ASTORIA, OREGON, FOR HORSES ONLY JUDGE; REBECCA HERRON-STEWARD; LORI SAGE CONTACT; DON AND MARION STULTZ 503-458-6413 NORTH COAST BENEFIT OPEN HORSE SHOW APRIL 8, 2001 ASTORIA, OREGON, FOR HORSES ONLY JUDGE; LORI SAGE-STEWARD; JOYCE KEMP CONTACT; DON AND MARION STULTZ 503-458-6413 NORTH COAST BENEFIT OPEN HORSE SHOW MAY 6, 2001 ASTORIA, OREGON, FOR HORSES ONLY JUDGE; TBA-STEWARD; TBA CONTACT; DON AND MARION STULTZ 503-458-6413 NORTHWEST BUCKSKIN CLUB MARCH 10-11, 2001 ALBANY FAIRGROUNDS, ALBANY, OREGON JUDGE; KAREN BRAGG, GEORGE MCDONALD CONTACT; NANCY MILLER 541-928-7344 NORTHWEST BUCKSKIN CLUB APRIL 21-22, 2001 NORTHWEST EQUESTRIAN CENTER, BORING, OREGON JUDGE; BARBARA HENTO CONTACT; NANCY MILLER 541-928-7344 NORTHWEST BUCKSKIN CLUB MAY 12-13, 2001 ALBANY FAIRGROUNDS, ALBANY, OREGON JUDGES; GREG SHRAKE, MARGO HEPNER-HART CONTACT; NANCY MILLER 541-928-7344 NORTHWEST BUCKSKIN CLUB JUNE 30-JULY 1, 2001 NORTHWEST EQUESTRIAN CENTER, BORING, OREGON JUDGE; JOHN NEWMAN CONTACT; NANCY MILLER 541-928-7344 OHA JUDGES AND STEWARDS SEMINAR MARCH 24, 2001 MT HOOD COMMUNITY COLLEGE OPEN TO AUDITORS CONTACT; GREG SHRAKE 503-663-5440 2001 OHA CONVENTION HOLIDAY INN, WILSONVILLE, OREGON NOVEMBER 17, 2001 MORE INFO TO COME
Draft Horse Shows
This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I guess we're pretty lucky here in Southwest Michigan and Northwest Indiana. There are still quite a few fairs that not only allow us to show with the draft horses but call and invite us to come to their show. Whoever wrote about the "ground pounding" is right. If anything makes a horse nervous, it's hearing a draft come up right behind you in the ring. When we first started showing the big complaint was that the Fjords would slow the drafts down. The drafts were the ones that slowed our Frida down. I guess it surprises people how these Fjords can move out. So everyone from the West - - come on out to Michigan. The drive is the pits but we'll sure have fun once you get here! Nancy
first shows
This message is from: "Denise's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> listers, i would like some expert opinions on my fjord's first show. quinn will be going to skandifest, in turlock, this year for the first time. he is just turned three. i ride him in the round pen and trails. my trainer says it is time for him to start to learn about collection, flexing more at the poll etc. i am constantly working with him from the ground and aback on flexing and giving to the bit, and ground manners. he is teething. he knows his gaits, stop and reverse, drops his head and is usually compliant. but being a 3 year old he will try and not do things when asked on occasion. does'nt do leads yet, consistently. both of us are going to a clinton andersen clinic this weekend. i am making him a costume and i may or may not ride him with it on. what are all of yours recommedations of "baby" classes for him and me (a greenie) to enter. denise delgado
Pedigrees on shows, and some questions
This message is from: "Stella Norrvi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi list! Carol Rivioire wrote >Somebody suggested that we'd probably had enough discussion on Pedigrees at >the shows, and that the committees had gotten the message. I agree, so on >to other things. Sorry to disappoint you all that had enough, but I tried for a long time not to get involved, and I realize this is none of my business, but... In Sweden you always have to register for a show in advance, sometimes just a couple of weeks, but sometimes even months before. And you always have to write down your horse´s pedigree, even on open shows. For me this is normal and have made me feel lost without a program with pedigree information. In the Swedish fjordhorse magazine we have the same rule as someone mentioned about the trakhener ass. we never put in a photo on a horse without pedigree information. I really don´t see why this would cause that much work and costs, and if it does, maybe it´s worth it? Now to something different, I have a couple of questions for you all. I´ve been looking at many of your very nice sites, and read many posts and I still don´t have an answer to following questions. What is Competitive Distance, and what is Logging? Please tell me all about it. Regards Stella, who is working indoors behind curtains on a beautiful Stockholm day :-(
Re: Pedigree info. at shows
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol that is a great idea re donating books to the show. I will gladly donate five of my books also. That would be $140. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Pedigree info. at shows
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Hi Meredith, Thanks for adding your voice to the list of people who would like to see PEDIGREE INFO IN THE SHOW PROGRAMS. You said . . . . > >The closing date at dog shows is one month before the show, so there is >time to put together a proper catalog. And you also said . . . . > >If you get the chance to see the magazine for the American Trakehner >Association, they won't use a photo without the name, reg#, sire, dam and >dam's sire of every animal depicted. I think it's an excellent way to do >things. > >>> >< << Meredith Sessoms >>> >< << Moulton . Alabama . USA >>> >< << Dorina & NFR Aagot > I too would like to see this same information in the FJORD HERALD. No reason why the Herald couldn't have the same policy that you state above. EACH PHOTO MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY PEDIGREE INFORMATION - sire, dam, dam's sire & breeder. If not, it doesn't go in the magazine. A very simple way to educated the owners of any breed. Best Regards, Carol Rivoire PS - And if cost continues to be an issues, remember my offer -- I will donate five copies of my book, THE FJORDHORSE HANDBOOK to the Souvenir Stand at Libby. 100% of the revenues to go to the show. --I'm sorry I can't do it for the other shows as well, but I kind of think of Libby as "my show" as it's the only one I attend. >-- > Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: Pedigrees at Fjord Shows
This message is from: Steve Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The closing date at dog shows is one month before the show, so there is time to put together a proper catalog. There would be no problem for unregistered purebreds or crosses and such ... they simply wouldn't have registration numbers beside their names. Even the stringent AKC makes allowances for purebred foundlings. If you look in the catalog at the dogs participating in obedience you will see several dogs entered whose parentage is unknown. But, they can't show in breed/conformation classes, they can only show in the performance classes. If you get the chance to see the magazine for the American Trakehner Association, they won't use a photo without the name, reg#, sire, dam and dam's sire of every animal depicted. I think it's an excellent way to do things. >> >< << Meredith Sessoms >> >< << Moulton . Alabama . USA >> >< << Dorina & NFR Aagot
Re: Pedigrees at Fjord Shows
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Arthur Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Arthur Rivoire) > > > > Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova > Scotia - > > THERE IS NO SUBSITUTE FOR PEDIGREE INFORMATION IN > THE SHOW PROGRAM! > I would suggest to the show committees that they > make every effort to > encourage competitors to pre-register so that they > and their horses CAN > APPEAR IN THE PROGRAM. > > Those that register at the show miss out being in > the program. > Years ago when we first began going to the Libby show, the entry blanks asked for the horse's name, registration number, sire and dam, owner, and handler. I don't recall that this information was necessarily for inclusion in the program as the programs were pretty informal in those days. I don't have one that old to refer to, though, so maybe it was included. I do know that the announcer received this information and did his best to pronounce all those names - both horse and human - correctly(sometimes with pronunciation corrections yelled from the audience). The person keeping the records for the class placings, and making sure the announcer had the right sheet to read from for each class, sometimes also had the duty of checking out the pronunciations ahead of time! But that was 'way back' when we were just a little 'backwoods' show and were VERY informal. Sure was fun though - and I learned more about Fjords and Fjord breeding back in those days than I do now at shows. 'Back then' there was usually at least one Norwegian judge around somewhere - either as an official judge or as part of a group from Norway visiting and just attending the show, sometimes actually filming the show for Norwegian television. Now THERE was a resource not to be ignored! And we learned plenty - by asking specific questions about our own horses, and getting answers from the Masters at the art of Fjord breeding! Had it not been for this(Norwegian) resource, I never would have known what I had in my barn, or how to improve on it. I would not even have been able to communicate with my Norwegian import mare - who came to us not understanding English and very sure that 'she was in charge'. One of the first things I learned was that Fjords kept out in pasture are not lead with a halter - they are lead by the forelock. Halters were for tying them up in the yard or barn. Consequently, Line did not know she was supposed to come with me when I tugged on the halter - she just braced and pulled back. She goes anywhere you ask her to with just a tug on the forelock. She also 'comes when you call her' - if you know how to call her in Norwegian. Calling her in English usually gets no response! Opinionated, or what! Of course, at her age we make allowances for her 'Norwegian-ness'. But, I digress. Somehow we need to get that basic pedigree information out to the audience at the shows - for the halter classes at the very least. Whether we do it by publishing it in the program - and the 'late comers' are simply left out - or by announcing it over the loudspeaker - again the 'late comers' may be left out - we need to do something. The info needs to be there, either 'in hand' or otherwise, at the time of the class, not days later when you finally get time to sit down at the computer. By then the 'moment' is lost and what interested you about the horse is faded by time. We learn through all our senses, but seeing AND either hearing or reading at the same time stays with us the longest. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: Pedigrees at Fjord Shows
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - THERE IS NO SUBSITUTE FOR PEDIGREE INFORMATION IN THE SHOW PROGRAM! When you're sitting in the stands watching a halter class, and you see several horses that interest you . . . You MUST be able to look them up quickly. When I go to Holland to the shows, I get a program that I can't read as it's in Dutch. HOWEVER, I can look up each horse I see, and learn who his sire is, who is dam is, who his dam's sire is, and who the breeder is. It's quick. It's easy, and it's ESSENTIAL INFORMATION for anyone interested in the breed for whatever reason. I would suggest to the show committees that they make every effort to encourage competitors to pre-register so that they and their horses CAN APPEAR IN THE PROGRAM. --- It's rather nice to see yourself in the program. Those that register at the show miss out being in the program. Best Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: Pedigrees (Parentage info at shows)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - The organizers of the Libby show thought that I was the only person interested in seeing pedigree info (sire, dam, dam's sire & breeder) in the show program. But, I knew I wasn't alone as I'd heard many people at ringside express dismay & disappointment that they had no way of identifying the horses they saw in the ring. I'd also discussed the issue with many other Fjord people from around the country, both breeders and owners of just a few Fjords, and all those I spoke to felt the same. All of these people who'd attended Fjord shows as competitors and spectators were frustrated that they had no way of identifying horses they saw in the ring, and were interested in for one reason or another. These interested people were potential buyers, newcomers to the breed, breeders (big & little), and owners who had a mare to breed. To my knowledge, none of the four Fjord shows print this information in their programs. I'm not sure about Turlock and Blue Earth, but the last time I was at Woodstock in Vermont, it wasn't in the program, and I remember spectators complaining about it. I've been a member of the Dutch Fjordhorse Studbook for twenty years, and I get their quarterly magazine. I'm ashamed to admit that after all these years and tweleve trips to Holland, that I don't speak or read Dutch. I know a few horse words, but that's the extent of it. HOWEVER, I have been able to learn about Dutch bloodlines over the years through the magazine which has lots of photos. Each photo is captioned with the HORSE'S NAME, SIRE, DAM, DAM'S SIRE & BREEDER. You'd be surprised how much you can learn about the different lines this way. After awhile you begin to recognize the unique characteristics of the various lines. It's almost subliminal learning. To me, it's essential information, and I hope that the show committees realize that Fjord owners want it, and need it. Not just Libby, but the other three as well. I can't see that the addition of this information to the show programs would make too much additional work. When the show applications go out, there should be lines to fill in this info. HORSE___SIREDAM__DAM'S SIRE__BREEDER Further, I'd like to see this information announced during the Halter Classes. . . . but, I'd settle for inclusion in the program. Many people have written in expressing support for this effort. I thank you all because it's not fun standing alone. Hopefully, the show committees will be changing their stand on this issue, and at the upcoming shows first at Blue Earth, then Woodstock, Libby, and Turlock, spectators and competitors will have the opportunity to not only enjoy themselves at great Fjord shows, but to become better educated Fjord owners as well. However, on the chance that THE BATTLE IS NOT YET WON, and not all show committee members are convinced, please continue to express your opinion on this issue. Tell the Show Committees that by not including this essential information, they are retarding the quality of the breed. What we need above all is EDUCATED OWNERS and BREEDERS. Owners and breeders who learn to recognize quality, and reward it by breeding to those horses, and buying those horses. What we don't need is UNEDUCATED GROWTH - simply multiplying the number of Fjords. BREEDING HORSES IS NOT EASY! It takes thought and knowledge. Let's not pass up an easy, painless, inexpensive way to educate our present and future members. PLEASE LET THE SHOW COMMITTEES KNOW THAT YOU WANT PEDIGREE INFORMATION LISTED IN THE SHOW PROGRAMS. Let them know that listing the horse's name, his sire, his dam, his dam's sire, & the breeder is ESSENTIAL INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED. Thank you very much for your help in this most important matter. Best Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Shows and Rules
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I find it really interesting that anytime someone suggests that Fjord folks might be able to show to SOME kind of standards, someone else immediately accuses them of trying to change the warm, friendly, caring, family atmosphere that has always surrounded their show. Doesn't matter where, East, West or in the Middle, the show will be damaged beyond repair by imposing some of the same kind of standards found in shows outside the Fjord community. And this is always pointed out with the same rhetorical certainty that was once reserved for ferreting out Communists, or finding witches. And it always works; people say to themselves, "Gee, I like the warm, friendly, caring, family atmosphere at the Fjord show, and I sure don't want to change that. Therefore, I don't want to change anything about the way we've always done the show." Folks, there's a gapping hole in this logic. It's the wonderful people who bring their wonderful horses to the Fjord shows who make the atmosphere what it is. Changing show rules to more closely reflect what people will find if they show in the big world outside the Fjord fold, would just give people a chance to learn what to expect in open competition; while still being surrounded by Fjord folks. Since there are still only four opportunities per year to show within the Fjord community, I say we need to provide people who would like to compete in open shows, a realistic educational experience right within the warm, friendly, caring Fjord family. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA People may talk of first love--but give me the flush, and triumph, and glorious sweat of a first ride. --George Borrow(1803-1881)
Horse Shows
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A friend told me once... I like the "show" part of horse shows. It gives me a chance to dress up and "show" off my horses. There are many types and styles of horse shows and horse play days and horse gatherings. Each can regulate how fancy or dressed down they can me. I prefer neat and clean over sequins and silver... but that is my choice. I would rather see a good clean outfit that fits well verses and fancy colored or glittery outfit that does not fit the participate well. AQHA showing is all about getting the judge to look at you! If you are in a field of 50 horses that all look the same. The only thing you have is your outfit to differ you from your neighbor. Think about it... AQHA judges at the big shows look at 100s of horses in a day. Sometimes they are judging from 6am to 2am the next day. Try it...It would be all a BLUR to me after awhile. Bright colors and glittery outfits help get attention. Showing is showing... you should expect to be neat, clean and somewhat fashionable. A play day is for blue jeans and the fun and is more relaxed. There are also schooling shows that are more reasonable in dressing. Give me a comfortable neat outfit anyday. One can look GOOD in non sequin. Catherine Lassesen
Draft horse shows in VA
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All Better late than never. I have to say that the VDMA (VA Draft Horse and Mule Assoc) has been just great about the Fjords. While we don't do weight pull (I wish they did log pull or something other than weight) we do ride and drive (and usually clean up) and we are always welcomed wholeheartedly every year. Jim the president even calls every year to say - Are you bringing the Fjords? (He also calls the Haflinger lady). He feels that the more versatility we show the public, the better. This year, will show the younger one and let the kids show the old pro so they don't announce as we enter the ring - Here's Caribo and he's been first every year. We love the show, the breed parade, the public attention etc. I am glad they are that kind of organization and will still try to get a fun pull into the show somewhere! Marsha in VA
Re: Clipping for open shows
This message is from: Sherle Monheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've been lurking here for the past two days reading about clipping and showing. We took our stallion to about six open shows last fall and the classes were some where between 8 and fourteen, most quarters, saddlebred, morgans. We clipped his muzzle & chin hairs, and just the outside edges of the ears. Left the legs and eyes unclipped. He place second in 4 of the shows and 4th in 2 of the shows. The judges knew what kind of a horse he was, but the other people showing couldn't believe where he placed against their well groomed, clipped and oiled fancy horses. So in my opinion, try it and see. Its a lot of fun taking them to open shows and the amount of exposure is wonderful for the breed and your horse. Thanks Sherle in Northern Wisconsin where we still have snow and ice!!
Re: shows in Holland and Norway, goats & dogs
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Julie, how does your big dog get along with cats? Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
shows in Holland and Norway, goats & dogs
This message is from: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all, and a very happy new year! Glad to be all settled into the "new" list with all the "old" friends! Holland ~ there will be a big "Jubileum" on August 4th and 5th at Hoenderloo (Bob Van Bon's) It will be a great chance to see the top horses in Holland. Hoenderloo is a tiny town, but there is one large Inn, and I would suggest booking well in advance to get a room. Norway ~ Who's going to Nordfjordeid this year? The shows will be during the 1st week of May. On goats...I confess to being a goat lover also...raised several of my children on goats milk. BUT.. have decided in my "old age" that I love flowers and shrubs more and most goats can outsmart me when it comes to keeping them confined. The last Nubian I was gifted with was almost killed by the horses who took one look at her and proceeded to chase her all over the pasture. She finally dived under the fence and escaped. On dogs...(belated, on this subject) We have a 14 pound Norwich Terrier...stands about 2 1/2 hands at the shoulder, and he is right at home with the horses. He seems to know that they won't bother him. I don't think they can figure out just what he is! When the horses spill their grain, he is right under their noses cleaning it up with them. He has that terrier courage (bred to kill rats and other vermin) but without the usually yappy personality. He's quiet and loving to people and gets on well with our other two "big" dogs. He is Fjord color but with a wiry, weatherproof coat. About the cutest thing going. Julie, in warm, rainy, upstate New York!
prep for shows
This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to Carl and Sarah. ..so sorry about your loss of June. I still remember when we lost our Kama and although she was old and hurting and release was the best way to go, it's difficult to make the decision and live with it. The offspring's do offer some relief and then there is TIME. Fond memories are the best consolation. Someone asked the other day about cheap tail bags and I can offer two suggestions. I have used those long vet gloves and turn them inside out. Use vet wrap to keep them on the tail (not too tight as you don't want to interfere with circulation...also make sure the wrap is smooth under their tail so as not to rub. The other option is to use old pantyhose or the stay-up nylonscut the leg off the panty and again use vet wrap to keep them on the tail.I personally like the stay-up nylon because of the very nice smooth top which doesn't hurt the very sensitive underside of the tail. Wrapping the tail is not a pretty sight but it sure helps with the rubbing of the tail in the trailer and keeping things a bit cleaner for the show. Good luck. Ursula & Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
Shows and evaluations in CO
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does any one know if there will be any shows or evaluations in Colorado? Thank you, Erika Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Horse Bloodlines at Shows
This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You know what? When I wanted to find out the breeding of a horse at a show, I just went and asked the owner of the horse. It's really fun to do that because, you get to meet new people plus talk to them about the horse, plus, you get to go and visit the horse and see how he or she is close up. The owners always are thrilled to show their horses to you, you can ask questions, sometimes you find out things you don't like about the horse, and sometimes you find out things you didn't know about the horse that you like. It's a very learning experience. In a couple of situations, where I missed the owner, I jotted down what place in what event, and then when the Herald came out, I checked it out. Then, if I wanted to know more, I called the person up. I really don't think there is a need to announce bloodlines. It would take forever and be annoying to the spectators. At Libby at least, there are a lot of spectators who don't own horses that stuff doesn't mean anything to them. One thing that is funny, is that sometimes the announcer gets the horses, names mixed up if they have more than one horse in each class. That could be a problem. You know, if you are a horse breeder, it is kind of your business to know what is out there. And there are some very good horses, out of great lines that don't show at all. You can find some real gems out there. I think meeting the owners, looking at the horses in the stalls and warm up areas is my favorite part of the show. I like it even better than the actual events sometimes. Misha
Lineage at shows
This message is from: "Jon A. Ofjord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Some of the people showing horses at the Blue Earth show had copies of their horses registration on or near their horses' stalls. This way anyone could read the lineage of the horses. This puts it directly in the hands of the owners and makes the info available to anyone who wants it. That includes judges ;). This a simple and low cost effort that anyone is free to do, or not. It doesn't take planning or money or additional time from the people who work so hard to put on the shows. All that is required of the interested party is to make an effort to walk around the barn. Just another thought passing though. Jon
Re: Horse Shows
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Catherine Lassesen wrote: > This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > In the years of showing horses, only at the World APHA and AQHA and Congress > are there a list of the horses and competitors with the naming of the sire > and dam of the horse. Because, I suppose, people wanted to know the parentage of the horses that qualified for shows at that level. > At the state level shows, there is not the extensive background on the > horses. I prefer the blind judging of the horses. Let the judge, judge them > first! Then tell the judge the bloodlines and owners afterwards. I would think that it would be possible for the judge not to receive a copy of the program which contained the lineage. (Although, remember the little joke about the competition between Heaven's horses and Satan's horses ;-) > I am sure the show staff of the MT, VT, MN and CA shows would welcome extra > volunteers to help do the work. No doubt, I intend to as soon as I quit my "real" job! > Catherine Lassesen of Hestehaven. Where we are very proud of our off spring > by SVEN, ANVIL'S RIKOLV, SLEIPNER and soon to be TRINITY'S SAMSTEIN. Now you're talkin'! Go girl! Beth Starfire Farm
Horse Shows
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In the years of showing horses, only at the World APHA and AQHA and Congress are there a list of the horses and competitors with the naming of the sire and dam of the horse. At the state level shows, there is not the extensive background on the horses. I prefer the blind judging of the horses. Let the judge, judge them first! Then tell the judge the bloodlines and owners afterwards. Hard to do when we have such a small amount of Fjords and Judges. Carol, if you want a program like that at a show. Get on the show staff and help produce one! I am sure the show staff of the MT, VT, MN and CA shows would welcome extra volunteers to help do the work. I am sure that is why most of our Fjord shows do not have such extensive programs. The other way would be to sponsor and donate enough money to have the program produced by a professional. I know that our small Fjordings West group could use the money and get your program printed up with breeding backgrounds of the horses shown there. Of course, it would depend on the amount of pre-entry and IF the owners send in copies of paperwork. Anyone out there willing to do the work. Type Up and Volunteer! Catherine Lassesen of Hestehaven. Where we are very proud of our off spring by SVEN, ANVIL'S RIKOLV, SLEIPNER and soon to be TRINITY'S SAMSTEIN. (did I spell his name right?)
