battery issue

[J-J]

Hello all,
New to the list, joined because I have a problem I can't seem to 
resolve on my own.

My spare battery in my 12" PBG4 never shows the time remaining. It will 
show the percentage, but not accurately. It will show 98%, then tick 
down to about 92%, then the PB will sleep, as if it's out of juice. 
Obviously, this is not a good performance from a spare battery, and I 
travel often, so I really need it to perform.

Is there a way to make it reset itself? Some utility or procedure I can 
use to get it to show the time remaining again, and get it back to full 
capacity?

Cheers,
J-J (Chicago)
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Re: Wallstreet LCD backlight not turning on after wake from sleep / installing OS9

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 4:45 AM + 9/29/04, Dave NovaK wrote:

> >Just like the subject says, my Wallstreet's LCD backlight won't turn back
> >on
> >after it wakes up from going to sleep. I also have to manually hit the the
> >brightness control button (either bright or dark) upon each bootup to get
> >the LCD backlight going.
> >
> >I'm running 10.2.8, and when I originally loaded the OS in, I didn't have
> > >this problem. Maybe three months down the line, for no good reason, it
> > >started doing this.
> >
> >Wallstreet 300mhz, 192mb RAM, 20g HD, CD/DVD, OS 10.2.8
>
>
> >>   Reboot in OS 9, from HD or CD. It's the only thing I know helps.
>
>
>That would be an option... if I had OS9 installed.
>
>How do I revert back from 10.2.8 to something else? Can I undo those
>"automatic updates"?
>
>
>I want OS9 installed.
>
>Why I don't have OS9 installed:
>
>I replaced the HD with a 20gig Travelstar.
>
>So I had a completely new hard drive, and OSX discs, but no OS9 discs. I
>installed 10.2.8 to the first partition (8gb rule), and had another 12g
>partition.
>
>I can't seem to get the 'book to boot from the OS9 CD, tho (yes, I'm holding
>the C key throughout the boot). It sucks, and I really want to be able to
>use OS9.
>
>What gives?

OS X has some funkiness on an older G3 PB. The easiest way to achieve 
what you want would be to mount the CD while in OS X, then select it 
as the startup disk. Then re-boot.

If you have the room in the 12 GB partition, you can install OS 9 
there. It doesn't have to be installed in the first 8 GB.

Somebody help me out here, I don't want to give bad advice. Will Dave 
be able to **boot* into OS 9 is he didn't install the OS 9 drivers 
when he partitioned in OS X? I can't imagine that he did if he 
doesn't have OS 9 installed.

>Again: Wallstreet 300gHz, 192mb RAM, 20g HD (8g/12g partitions)

Wow, 192 MB is not very much when it comes to running OS X. Is 
there's any way you can manage to up it to 384, you'll find OS X runs 
faster and quite a bit better for you.

HTH,

B0b


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Re: TiBook display crisis

[Richard Clark]

Yes i know my newton died i'm working on getting it going again gonna 
send it away today.
On 29 Sep 2004, at 6:54 AM, E. Moorhead wrote:

Hey Richard...
	Below 'Link' doesen't work???
Richard Clark
NPDS:http://mawgadogsnewt.homeip.net(down at the moment Newton is fried 
let's see what Frank can do)
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Re: TiBook display crisis

[E. Moorhead]

Hey Richard...
Below 'Link' doesen't work???
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On Sep 27, 2004, at 1:48 PM, Richard Clark wrote:
[snip]
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Wallstreet LCD backlight not turning on after wake from sleep / installing OS9

[Dave NovaK]

Just like the subject says, my Wallstreet's LCD backlight won't turn back 
on
after it wakes up from going to sleep. I also have to manually hit the the
brightness control button (either bright or dark) upon each bootup to get
the LCD backlight going.

I'm running 10.2.8, and when I originally loaded the OS in, I didn't have 
>this problem. Maybe three months down the line, for no good reason, it 
>started doing this.

Wallstreet 300mhz, 192mb RAM, 20g HD, CD/DVD, OS 10.2.8

  Reboot in OS 9, from HD or CD. It's the only thing I know helps.

That would be an option... if I had OS9 installed.
How do I revert back from 10.2.8 to something else? Can I undo those 
"automatic updates"?

I want OS9 installed.
Why I don't have OS9 installed:
I replaced the HD with a 20gig Travelstar.
So I had a completely new hard drive, and OSX discs, but no OS9 discs. I 
installed 10.2.8 to the first partition (8gb rule), and had another 12g 
partition.

I can't seem to get the 'book to boot from the OS9 CD, tho (yes, I'm holding 
the C key throughout the boot). It sucks, and I really want to be able to 
use OS9.

What gives?
Again: Wallstreet 300gHz, 192mb RAM, 20g HD (8g/12g partitions)
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Re: OSX and "re-building desktop"?

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 8:56 PM -0700 9/28/04, Kathryn Odell wrote:
> >
> > Apple set the daily maintenance task to run at 3:15 AM, the weekly at
> > 4:30 AM on Saturdays, and the monthly at 5:30 AM the first day of
> > each month.

>Do these daily maintenance tasks run if the computer is sleeping?

No, it needs to up and running.

That's why some people prefer to either perform them manually, or 
have another utility do them at a more "convenient time."

Bob


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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy returns...

[darm0k]

At 12:08 AM + 09/29/2004, simon goslin wrote:
Bonza!
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Re: iSync and .Mac account problem...

[E. Moorhead]

Hey Simon...
	dotMAC's been having major MAINFRAME?) problems for the last 24hr or 
so.

	'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' went down 11:00 PM last night for many of us and 
'Locked' us 'Out' of the SYSTEM till after 02:00 PM this afternoon.  
iDisk, Bounced Mail, the whole 9yards.

	I spent over 3 hours this afternoon 'sloshing' thru APPLE's, 
'Worst-in-the-Industry's', live Tech and Account Support system, only 
to find, after 8 different assistants and supervisors, that no one 
there had a clue that there was anything wrong.

	I was actually on the phone with a 'Senior' Tech Support staffer, who 
was insisting that the problem HAD to be with MY System, when the 
following "Notice" was posted to the dotMAC Support bulletin board:


[   .Mac System Status
Network Status
Mail
iDisk
HomePage
10:00 am PDT, September 28th, 2004:
 A small number of customers were having difficulties receiving mail 
due to database issues. The sender of the email will receive a 
bounce-back claiming that the destination account is over quota. The 
issue is now resolved and mail should be delivered as expected.

 .Mac ]
I received a chagrined apology.
	I DON'T know what "10:00 AM" location they're referring to above, but 
MY System began to 'come-back Up' at 06:00 PM my time, and is still not 
100%.

e.
On Sep 28, 2004, at 8:03 PM, simon goslin wrote:
G'day Guys,
I'm having a few dramas with iSync and my .Mac account - can you help?
This is the box that comes up when I try to sync...
Synchronization Error
Wednesday, 07 January, 1970 08:33
Unable to get data from the server:
A network error interrupted the connection to .Mac.
A network error interrupted the connection to .Mac.
I'm using iSync 1.5 on a PISMO running Mac OS X 10.2.8
Not sure where the duff date came from, my time and date settings are 
fine I think...

Cheers Guys,
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Re: OSX and "re-building desktop"?

[Kathryn Odell]

Do these daily maintenance tasks run if the computer is sleeping?
Kate
Apple set the daily maintenance task to run at 3:15 AM, the weekly at
4:30 AM on Saturdays, and the monthly at 5:30 AM the first day of
each month.

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Re: OSX and "re-building desktop"?

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 28/09/04 20:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On my old PB, under OS 9, double-clicking an older tax data file
> automagically opened the older/matching tax app.  But now under
> Panther, they all launch the newest app only.  I have to manually
> launch the older app then open the file from within.  How do I fix
> this in OS X?

Select on of your older data file, do "Info" in the Finder. In the window
that appears, open the "Open with" section tab. There will be a popup menu
there. Click on it, then select the item "Other...". Navigate to find the
application that should open that document. If you want all other documents
of this type to be opened by the selected application, click the "Change
All" button.

Know that there is a little gotcha to this. After some people theorically
demonstrated that unknown document could trigger the launch of unknown
application and thus, presenting a threat, Apple in one of their latest
system update did change how the application document setting works. You
won't be able to set all documents of a certain type to default to a
specific application of your choosing until you launch the application at
least once. Odd, but I spent about an hour the other day trying to set the
default app for a document type before finding, after trials, errors and
experimentations, that I had never launched this application on my new
PowerBook.

-Laurent.
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Re: adding RAM

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 28/09/04 19:03, Alan C.Magnus at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I've been trying to add RAM (Crucial, 512MB, 2700 DDR SODIMMM) to my Al
> PowerBook G4. This was bought from a store in FT. Lauderdale. When I
> tried to boot, no go. I replaced my original RAM and all was fine. As i
> had to leave the States, I had a friend do the return for me. He said
> the same RAM was put into another similar PowerBook and worked. Anyway,
> on my instructions, he had it replaced. I got the replacement today and
> had the same problem. The book will not boot with the new RAM. Either
> alone, or with one of the original 256 sticks.
> 
> Is there a trick, special method, to installing the RAM? I did try to
> use a bit of force but still no luck.

You don't need much force to put RAM in. Just follow the instructions. You
have to insert the chip at an angle, then usually put it down. There are 2
clips on each side that should clip the chip. The instructions in my
"Getting started" manual were clear and illustrated. The only thing to watch
for is to make sure that the chip is fully inserted in the connector before
you clip it.

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Re: OSX and "re-building desktop"?

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 11:22 AM +1000 9/29/04, MMB wrote:

>Thanks Bruce.
>
>Is the 3am cleanup done on any particular day?

Apple set the daily maintenance task to run at 3:15 AM, the weekly at 
4:30 AM on Saturdays, and the monthly at 5:30 AM the first day of 
each month.

You can pick up free utilities that will run these scripts 
automatically at any time that you want.

You can also run all of these by hand and read its output in the 
terminal by doing:
sudo /etc/daily
sudo /etc/weekly
sudo /etc/monthly

See "Learning the Terminal in Jaguar" for a great discussion about 
these tasks. 







>Can I see that somehow on the hard disc?

If you're asking if you can see *if* they ran, or *what* they did, 
the logs (both the most recent and the tar'd recent history stack) 
are in /var/log.  This directory contains quite a collection of logs 
from various subsystems.

You can
1) Open a new Finder window.
2) Choose Go -> Go to Folder (or press command+shift+G)
3) Type "/var/log" and press return.
4) Check the modification date on "daily.out" -- if it's today, then 
your scripts ran last night.
(daily.out is the log file for the daily script. There's also 
weekly.out and monthly.out)

HTH,

Bob


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Re: Problem Lombard

[Adam Thayer]

On Sep 24, 2004, at 2:51 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Sep 24, 2004, at 2:15 PM, Tom and Lisa P wrote:
He tried to continue but no keystrokes appear on the screen.  Same 
for trying to shut down.  After pulling the AC and battery it now 
appears to be completely dead, not even giving a bong.  Its a 256 MB 
/400 MHz Lombard
Try putting in the AC or battery again ? ;-)
actually that sounds like a major hardware failure. Get in and make 
sure the processor card and memory are properly seated.

Otherwise, I'd suspect mobo or processor card failure.
Well, considering it booted once with a ROM checksum error, the 
processor card is probably dead. After checking to see if the processor 
is seated, and it still doesn't boot, then you will need to replace the 
processor card. I suspected that it /didn't/ become unseated, as the 
ROM checksum error would not have happened (the ROM, CPU and RAM are 
all on the CPU card, so a not-so-good connection to the logic board 
will not cause a checksum error). Likely culprit is that the ROM chip 
failed completely, or came unsoldered from the CPU board. It could be 
fixable, but not worth the pain in my opinion, a new processor card is 
less effort and pain.

Regards,
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Re: OSX and "re-building desktop"?

[Fabian Fang]

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:50:22 +1000, MMB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy by
> regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 867 for
> three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and tidying must
> be needed but how.
> 
> I am not sure that re-building desktop is how I maintain OSX.
> 
> What is your advice?

Under OS X you repair disk permissions instead of rebuillding desktop.
 Take a look here:


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Re: OSX and "re-building desktop"?

[MMB]

Thanks Bruce.
Is the 3am cleanup done on any particular day?
Can I see that somehow on the hard disc?
Maria B

In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OSX and "re-building desktop"?
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:07:47 -0700
On Sep 28, 2004, at 3:50 PM, MMB wrote:
Hi:
I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy by
regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 867 for
three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and tidying must
be needed but how.
If you don't leave the system on overnight at least once a week, get
something like MacJanitor and manually run the various cron scripts
that normally run at 3AM. This rotates logs, cleans up temp files, etc
etc.
There is no 'desktop' to rebuild, per se.
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Re: ibook & burning DVD's-additional question

[Polkadoter]

I saw at Best Buy one of the Pioneer 108 dvd burners on sale,  if I put that 
in a firewire case will that model work?  Also its 16x - will slower DVD media 
burn on it? Of course, time is money but the slower media is cheaper.   I 
confirmed I have a ibook 933 G4 model
Thanks in advance,
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In a message dated 9/26/04 11:25:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< > Hi have a 900mhz ibook (white) with OSX (panther).  It has an internal  
> CD-RW.
>  I just bought ilife'04 and want to burn DVD's.  I'm sure I have to/and
> probably want to go the external firewire enclosure route.  Can  
> someone please tell
> me how I would go about this.

Here's what *I* did.

A) Purchased a firewire case,
B) Purchased a standard Pioneer DVD burner (the 8x model) from  
newegg.com (around $75 shipped). Pioneer is the OEM for many of the  
Apple SuperDrives.
C) Set the drive's jumper to master and put the drive in the case.
D) Plugged it into my powerbook.
E) Followed the instructions at  
http://homepage.mac.com/geerlingguy/personal_site/mac_guide/pages/15- 
burn_idvd_other.html
F) Burned away

Steve Fuller

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Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy returns...

[simon goslin]

Bonza!
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Re: OSX and "re-building desktop"?

[darm0k]

At 04:07 PM -0700 09/28/2004, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Sep 28, 2004, at 3:50 PM, MMB wrote:
I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy 
by regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 
867 for three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and 
tidying must be needed but how.
If you don't leave the system on overnight at least once a week, get 
something like MacJanitor and manually run the various cron scripts 
that normally run at 3AM. This rotates logs, cleans up temp files, 
etc etc.
Ah!  I was wunderin what our new PB was doing last night!
And here I figured it was playing Chess.

There is no 'desktop' to rebuild, per se.
How does OS X associate file -> app?
Da reason I'm asking...  I copied a bunch of ancient MacInTax and 
TurboTax documents from our old PB (G3; OS 9.2.2) to our new 
PowerBook (15" G4; Panther).  Also copied a folder that contains each 
tax app, going back to '95, and their prefs.

On my old PB, under OS 9, double-clicking an older tax data file 
automagically opened the older/matching tax app.  But now under 
Panther, they all launch the newest app only.  I have to manually 
launch the older app then open the file from within.  How do I fix 
this in OS X?

Aside: Apparently Intuit's installers were pretty dumb.  All the 
installs since going to OS 9 on the old PB include the OS X vers of 
the app too.  So the most recent few years of apps don't 
start/require Classic.  Of course those older installers won't run at 
all under Panther or its Classic -- which is why I did the mass-copy.

Thx,
- Dan.
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iSync and .Mac account problem...

[simon goslin]

G'day Guys,
I'm having a few dramas with iSync and my .Mac account - can you help?
This is the box that comes up when I try to sync...
Synchronization Error
Wednesday, 07 January, 1970 08:33
Unable to get data from the server:
A network error interrupted the connection to .Mac.
A network error interrupted the connection to .Mac.
I'm using iSync 1.5 on a PISMO running Mac OS X 10.2.8
Not sure where the duff date came from, my time and date settings are fine I 
think...

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Re: Command key

[Dan Palka]

On Sep 28, 2004, at 2:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Haven't really followed this thread, but hum.  A quick ad-hoc 
survey of the people in my fav IRC channels right now (200+ people, 
both Mac and PC and general oriented channels)...  Not even one person 
has ever heard that key called "flower".  They call it either 
"command" or "clover".
Thats way to be worthy right there.  I can think of a dozen people that 
call it flower that I personally know.

It has been the command key for +/- 20 years now...
As it has been flower, clover, and everything else.
Personally, I miss the "meta" key.  Like command, option, shift, and 
control, it was a multi-press modifier.  Went by the wayside in the 
early 80s, I guess.

Now where's the Any key?

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Re: OSX and "re-building desktop"?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sep 28, 2004, at 3:50 PM, MMB wrote:
Hi:
I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy by 
regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 867 for 
three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and tidying must 
be needed but how.
If you don't leave the system on overnight at least once a week, get 
something like MacJanitor and manually run the various cron scripts 
that normally run at 3AM. This rotates logs, cleans up temp files, etc 
etc.

There is no 'desktop' to rebuild, per se.
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adding RAM

[Alan C . Magnus]

Hi All,
I've been trying to add RAM (Crucial, 512MB, 2700 DDR SODIMMM) to my Al 
PowerBook G4. This was bought from a store in FT. Lauderdale. When I 
tried to boot, no go. I replaced my original RAM and all was fine. As i 
had to leave the States, I had a friend do the return for me. He said 
the same RAM was put into another similar PowerBook and worked. Anyway, 
on my instructions, he had it replaced. I got the replacement today and 
had the same problem. The book will not boot with the new RAM. Either 
alone, or with one of the original 256 sticks.

Is there a trick, special method, to installing the RAM? I did try to 
use a bit of force but still no luck.

Alan
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OSX and "re-building desktop"?

[MMB]

Hi:
I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy by 
regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 867 for 
three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and tidying must 
be needed but how.

I am not sure that re-building desktop is how I maintain OSX.
What is your advice?
Maria B
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Re: Adobe InDesign CS on 14-inch G4 iBook...

[Roger Shufflebottom]

At 4:15 pm -0400 28/9/04, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
Of course, in reality, VP
was far from offering the flexibility and quality of PageMaker on a Mac
printed on a LaserWriter...
And I was running it on a BBC Micro (back in 1984 I think) with a 
second processor and some weird pre-Windows GUI the name of which 
escapes me!
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Re: OS X Database Recommendations (was: Virus Software Recommendation)

[Harry D . Corsover]

On Sep 23, 2004, at 8:19 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

There's also the venerable Helix, 
Yes, and it's what I still use. But it runs only in Classic. OS X 
development is ongoing, but slow because of limited resources.

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Re: Adobe InDesign CS on 14-inch G4 iBook...

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 28/09/04 15:59, "Roger Shufflebottom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 9:43 am -0500 28/9/04, Dan Palka wrote:
>> You're right.  Adobe InDesign IS the most terrible Quark Xpress
>> wannabe ever crafted by human hands.
> 
> Hmm - depends where you start from. I had to buy a DTP program a
> couple of years ago and as a regular user of other Adobe products I
> went for InDesign as part of the bundle with Photoshop, Illustrator
> and Acrobat. I was unlikely to pay the price for Quark! I grew up on
> Ventura Publisher (a long time back) followed by Impression on an
> Acorn A5000 (now, that WAS a killer application). ID is good for me.

Ventura Publisher! That brings back a lot of memories! Back in the days when
PageMaker was the king of DP. PC users struggling and trying to use Ventura
Publisher as a replacement for PageMaker, boasting they could do in Ventura
Publisher everything you could do in PageMaker. Of course, in reality, VP
was far from offering the flexibility and quality of PageMaker on a Mac
printed on a LaserWriter...

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Re: Adobe InDesign CS on 14-inch G4 iBook...

[Roger Shufflebottom]

At 9:43 am -0500 28/9/04, Dan Palka wrote:
You're right.  Adobe InDesign IS the most terrible Quark Xpress 
wannabe ever crafted by human hands.
Hmm - depends where you start from. I had to buy a DTP program a 
couple of years ago and as a regular user of other Adobe products I 
went for InDesign as part of the bundle with Photoshop, Illustrator 
and Acrobat. I was unlikely to pay the price for Quark! I grew up on 
Ventura Publisher (a long time back) followed by Impression on an 
Acorn A5000 (now, that WAS a killer application). ID is good for me.
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Re: Finally dare to ask a simple question because of this flowerthing

[Roger Shufflebottom]

At 12:23 pm -0700 28/9/04, Imal Tornapart wrote:
indeed, it's the one referred to in oh so much documentation as  \_. this
confounded me for a while as well.
We could call it 'alt' as that is written on it on many KBs (but 
maybe that's a bit too PC).
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Re: Command key

[dan_A]

On Sep 28, 2004, at 3:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Haven't really followed this thread, but hum.  A quick ad-hoc 
survey of the people in my fav IRC channels right now (200+ people, 
both Mac and PC and general oriented channels)...  Not even one person 
has ever heard that key called "flower".  They call it either 
"command" or "clover".

It has been the command key for +/- 20 years now...
Personally, I miss the "meta" key.  Like command, option, shift, and 
control, it was a multi-press modifier.  Went by the wayside in the 
early 80s, I guess.

Now where's the Any key?
I've been using the Mac since the Classic and SE/30 days, the eighties, 
and have heard the command key often called the "apple" key for the 
obvious apple drawn on it. Never heard of the clover key. Sorry to 
extend this thread.

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Re: Command key

[Imal Tornapart]

regarding unfamiliar meta keys:

I like heading the other direction from simple in times of frustration or
dire need.

("The key shortcut you want in that app is

ctrl - rightshift - beanie - option -  Q, A, A, footswitch, then hold Fn and
right-alt and kick your cpu off the table.")

see also:

http://www.lysator.liu.se/hackdict/split2/space-cadet_keyboard.html
 "It was equipped with no fewer than *seven* shift keys:"

and

http://www.lysator.liu.se/hackdict/split2/double_bucky.html
 "It was half-seriously suggested that the extra shifting keys be
implemented as pedals;
typing on such a keyboard would be very much like playing a full pipe
organ."





-Original Message-
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Luoma
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:54 PM
To: G-Books
Subject: Re: Command key



On Sep 27, 2004, at 11:00 PM, Dan Palka wrote:

> If that makes me sound unprofessional or not serious enough, then you
> need
> to do one thing...
>
> Lighten up!

He was trying to give you some advice that will enable you to get
better help and be taken more seriously.  As with most things, if you




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Re: Finally dare to ask a simple question because of this flowerthing

[Imal Tornapart]

_ _
indeed, it's the one referred to in oh so much documentation as  \_. this
confounded me for a while as well.

which to me seems like a train track switch of sorts, providing a choice
between options.


Seems like any respectable forum shouldn't slam you for asking what may seem
like obvious questions.
But people sometimes forget how to be accomodating to their fellow people,
and sometimes a thick
skin and short memory are valuable until said people remember themselves.


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Subject: Re: Finally dare to ask a simple question because of this
flowerthing


On 28/09/04 13:36, "goodidea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> Not that I want to put my foot in it: I am new to Apple Mac and use the
> OS in another language.
> Whenever I read about the "Option-Key" on the net I wonder which one is
> actually meant.
>
> Is it the one next to the command key (thanks for teaching me that one
> also)?

On the US Qwerty keyboard, yes, the "Option" key is next to the "Command"
key. Although it might depend on the keyboard mapping you have. Since you're
using OS X in another language, maybe you have a different keyboard mapping
than the US mapping and maybe the "Option" key is not next to the "Command"
key. I think on recent keyboards, it also has the smaller label "alt".

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Re: Command key

[darm0k]

At 09:39 AM -0700 09/28/2004, Frank P. Eigler wrote:
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Dan Palka wrote:
 That's fine and dandy, and I usually do say Command when talking to other
 Mac users, but to myself and other non-mac users I still say Flower out of
 habit.  I like saying flower, and if it was up to me, I'd say flower all the
 > time.  It makes the Mac sound more friendly.
Haven't really followed this thread, but hum.  A quick ad-hoc 
survey of the people in my fav IRC channels right now (200+ people, 
both Mac and PC and general oriented channels)...  Not even one 
person has ever heard that key called "flower".  They call it either 
"command" or "clover".

It has been the command key for +/- 20 years now...
Personally, I miss the "meta" key.  Like command, option, shift, and 
control, it was a multi-press modifier.  Went by the wayside in the 
early 80s, I guess.

Now where's the Any key?
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Re: Finally dare to ask a simple question because of this flower thing

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 28/09/04 13:36, "goodidea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> Not that I want to put my foot in it: I am new to Apple Mac and use the
> OS in another language.
> Whenever I read about the "Option-Key" on the net I wonder which one is
> actually meant.
> 
> Is it the one next to the command key (thanks for teaching me that one
> also)?

On the US Qwerty keyboard, yes, the "Option" key is next to the "Command"
key. Although it might depend on the keyboard mapping you have. Since you're
using OS X in another language, maybe you have a different keyboard mapping
than the US mapping and maybe the "Option" key is not next to the "Command"
key. I think on recent keyboards, it also has the smaller label "alt".

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Finally dare to ask a simple question because of this flower thing

[goodidea]

Hello everyone,
Not that I want to put my foot in it: I am new to Apple Mac and use the 
OS in another language.
Whenever I read about the "Option-Key" on the net I wonder which one is 
actually meant.

Is it the one next to the command key (thanks for teaching me that one 
also)?
Boud.

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Re: OT :Help needed w/Epson Printer & Pismo

[Ed T]

Try this  I've used 
these people for several years now for various epsons and have had great 
luck. Also prices are some of the best.
Ed T

kochkodin wrote:
Greetings lista's,
Sorry for the OT but does anyone here use an Epson 740 printer?  I 
have ben getting ink for mine at Sam's Club in 2 packs...Evidentally 
they are dropping 740 inks (black/color) from the stores but are 
supposed to have them available on lineI need to know what the 
Epson model # is for either the single or double color cartridge is.  
I was able to get a couple of double pack black  at the Sam's here at 
Penn State but no joy on the color...and I don't have an Epson box w/ 
the color#.  The cart fits the 740 760 800 800N 850 850N 1160 1520 and 
the Stylus Pro 2000 2500  2500 Pro
Thanks in advance,
Mike K


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Re: Command key

[Mikael Byström]

Bob said:

>But I think what Mikael was trying to say (if I can try and translate 
>his meaning) is that in language things go by specific names in order 
>to be understood properly. And people who don't use the proper name 
>for things aren't regarded as seriously as those who do, (If that's 
>not Mikael's viewpoint, it certainly is mine.

The only reason for me for correcting anyone is to help them to easier
find and understand information about stuff. If you know what the command
key is, it's surely easier to follow advice that refers to it.


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Re: wallstreet LCD backlight not on after wake from sleep

[Mikael Byström]

Dave NovaK said:

>Just like the subject says, my Wallstreet's LCD backlight won't turn back on 
>after it wakes up from going to sleep. I also have to manually hit the the 
>brightness control button (either bright or dark) upon each bootup to get 
>the LCD backlight going.
>
>I'm running 10.2.8, and when I originally loaded the OS in, I didn't have 
>this problem. Maybe three months down the line, for no good reason, it 
>started doing this.
>
>Wallstreet 300mhz, 192mb RAM, 20g HD, CD/DVD, OS 10.2.8
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Reboot in OS 9, from HD or CD. It's the only thing I know helps.


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Re: wallstreet LCD backlight not on after wake from sleep

[Mikael Byström]

Bob said:

>Another option, though not as acceptable I'm sure, is revert back to 
>OS 10.2.5 or 10.2.6. There appears to be a problem with update 10.2.8 
>for some users of G3 PowerBooks.

This problem occurred already with 10.2.0 in WS II.


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Re: Command key

[Frank P. Eigler]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Dan Palka wrote:

> That's fine and dandy, and I usually do say Command when talking to other
> Mac users, but to myself and other non-mac users I still say Flower out of
> habit.  I like saying flower, and if it was up to me, I'd say flower all the
> time.  It makes the Mac sound more friendly.
>
> If that makes me sound unprofessional or not serious enough, then you need
> to do one thing...
>
> Lighten up!

Unless you *are* a Mac professional, what's the big deal? Is there a
*need* for you to be taken seriously (eg "grave", vs simply in good
faith)?

This is an issue with any field of specialized knowledge. Certain terms
have very specific meanings within that field. As a greater protion of the
general public become familiar with the field those terms will find
their way into the vocabulary, but will often lack the specifity inheirent
in the term originally. Examples from the fields of medicine and law come
to mind.

BTW - nothing frustrated me more when trying to learn Windows so many
years ago than simply being told (for example): Hit F1, Tab, F3 and Enter.
No thought at all to tell me what those actions entailed, just be a
monkey and push those buttons. Using the term "flower" brings back that
feeling. Visually descriptive, but meaningless without clarification.
Guess that's why we have specific terms.

..and we really don't need to make the Mac *sound* friendly, do we? It
just is ;-)

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Re: Command key

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I also think this has become something more than off-topic.  Like a 
higher level of sidetracking.  Mail still highlights these emails and 
groups them with "My Wallstreet and its Booting"  I no longer wish to 
discuss this, and I think we should all stop at the count of three.

1...
2...
2 1/2...
2 3/4...
2 7/8...
3!
What were we talking about?
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Re: Command key

[Dan Palka]

On Sep 28, 2004, at 4:50 AM, Bob wrote:
I'm sorry you feel like my comments were a personal attack at you,
Dan. I went out of my way to emphasize that that wasn't the case.
I was just shocked (as was my friend sitting next to me) that you went 
out of your way to write that gigantic post about why I must be a 
newbie or uneducated or careless for accidently revealing to other Mac 
users that I do in fact call it the Flower key in normal conversation.

I confess!  It's the Flower key in my opinion!  I never ever liked 
Command key.  I thought that sounded so retarded the first time I heard 
it, and have never called it that anywhere else but here or to other 
Mac users.  And I never will Muhahahahahaha.  Flower key will take 
over the world!

I also think this has become something more than off-topic.  Like a 
higher level of sidetracking.  Mail still highlights these emails and 
groups them with "My Wallstreet and its Booting"  I no longer wish to 
discuss this, and I think we should all stop at the count of three.

1...
2...
2 1/2...
2 3/4...
2 7/8...
3!
What were we talking about?
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Re: Adobe InDesign CS on 14-inch G4 iBook...

[Dan Palka]

On Sep 28, 2004, at 9:33 AM, shane hartley wrote:
ARE YOU KIDDING! InDesign CS is the best layout program I've used and 
I've
use a lot!
Well that could be your personal preference.  But after you've gotten 
so used to Quark, you almost feel you HAVE to use Quark out of respect 
for what they've done.  Not to mention Quark just feels more powerful 
and responsive.  InDesign is very VERY slow. At least on this G3. Quark 
on the other hand feels as fast as 4.0.  Speaking of which, Quark 4 can 
still be used quite wonderfully on a Quadra 800 in a modern work 
environment (amazing!).  Quark may not have made "massive" advancements 
in years, but that is because it already made HUGE GIGANTIC ENORMOUS 
advancements in the past that pushed it wa ahead of its time, and 
only now is Adobe catching up.

Quark allows you to be more productive on older hardware, as well as 
newer hardware.

Sorry I'm just a HUGE fan of Quark and that hit a nerve.  I'm crazy!
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Re: Bugdom on original Cds?

[Dan Palka]

All I see is some dinosaur game, AppleWorks 6, and FaxSTF.  Which is 
strange since that dinosaur game wasn't installed on my iBook.

On Sep 28, 2004, at 7:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IIRC, it's on the "Applications" CD in the root folder.

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Re: Adobe InDesign CS on 14-inch G4 iBook...

[Dan Palka]

You're right.  Adobe InDesign IS the most terrible Quark Xpress wannabe 
ever crafted by human hands.

I can't believe Bradley University chose InDesign over Quark.  Perhaps 
they're brain dead?  Probably the same people that chose Windows PCs to 
replace the Macs in roughly half the Art Center.

Its nice to have competition and all, but come on.  Quark is Quark.  
There's no two ways about it.

Using something other than Quark for page layout is like using 
something other than Photoshop for image editing.  That just sounds 
unfathomable doesn't it?

On Sep 28, 2004, at 4:29 AM, Michael Shaw wrote:
Seriously, folks, is it just me or is InDesign CS really the most 
awkward and un-intuitive Adobe product ever made ?

I can't believe that I un-installed QuarkXPress for this. Nothing is 
where i expect it to be and many of the features and pallets are 
simply annoying.

M

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Re: Bugdom on original Cds?

[Dan Palka]

lol doesn't that make me look silly
On Sep 28, 2004, at 1:28 AM, Dean wrote:
You can download Bugdom at pangeasoft.net

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Re: Adobe InDesign CS on 14-inch G4 iBook...

[shane hartley]

ARE YOU KIDDING! InDesign CS is the best layout program I've used and I've
use a lot! I work as a Graphic Designer at a Toy/Game company and we've
converted all our Printers and Manufacturers over to InDesign and they all
say its very easy and much better. I believe it to be more intuitive than
Quark and less clumsy. If your are big photoshop or illustrator user it
should be an easy transition. And they all work together really well.
Quark also hasn't made a big software advancement in a long time. InDesign
is the latest and greatest. Quark is quickly losing its user-base and if it
doesn't make a huge change and advancementsit will be a thing of the
past. (in my eyes it already is!)

shane


> From: Michael Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: G-Books <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:29:25 +
> To: G-Books <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Adobe InDesign CS on 14-inch G4 iBook...
> 
> 
> Seriously, folks, is it just me or is InDesign CS really the most awkward
> and un-intuitive Adobe product ever made ?
> 
> I can't believe that I un-installed QuarkXPress for this. Nothing is where i
> expect it to be and many of the features and pallets are simply annoying.
> 
> M


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Re: Command key

[BobGir]

> So my feeling is the more serious a person wants to be taken, the
> more accurately they need to communicate.

Amen to that.  *In particular* when we are seeking help from other List
members.

I've received tons of help on lists like this, and I always weigh in
when I have the answer to someone else's problem (but since I get this List
in Digest form, the answers have usually already been given).

I always try to be as succinct and accurate as possible when describing
my problem, trying always to use the correct terminology and *always*,
*always* giving details on my Mac and on which OS I am using.

Ciao,
bob 


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Re: Bugdom on original Cds?

[mac2999]

IIRC, it's on the "Applications" CD in the root folder.
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:49:15 -0500, "Dan Palka"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I remember my iBook 366 came with the original Bugdom pre-installed.  
> I'd like to reinstall it, since reformatting.
> 
> Where is it on the iBook Software Install CD?
> 
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Re: Command key

[K]

Steve Fuller wrote:
I had to get out of the habit of saying open apple or closed apple 
(for those from the Apple II days). :)

Steve

I was a Commodore user and my wife had Apples in school...Always did and 
still do call it   Open Apple..
Mike K

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Re: Adobe InDesign CS on 14-inch G4 iBook...

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

On 9/28/04 5:29 AM, "Michael Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Seriously, folks, is it just me or is InDesign CS really the most awkward
> and un-intuitive Adobe product ever made ?
> 
> I can't believe that I un-installed QuarkXPress for this. Nothing is where i
> expect it to be and many of the features and pallets are simply annoying.
> 
Funny, I had exactly the same feeling the first time I used Quark and Word.
I think it is mostly a question of what you are used to. When I first
started using ID I was so used to PageMaker and ID was similar enough to
PageMaker that I tried working as if I were still using PageMaker. That
wasn't very successful, to say the least.

Since the community college has a site license for things Adobe, I grabbed
the InDesign Classroom in a Book and went through it. I'm not usually a fan
of this line of books but seeing ID used by people who understood how it was
meant to be used really helped. And the fact that Adobe makes it very easy
to create personal workspaces was also very helpful.

david




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Re: wallstreet LCD backlight not on after wake from sleep

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 6:57 PM + 9/27/04, Dave NovaK wrote:

>Just like the subject says, my Wallstreet's LCD backlight won't turn back on
>after it wakes up from going to sleep. I also have to manually hit the the
>brightness control button (either bright or dark) upon each bootup to get
>the LCD backlight going.
>
>I'm running 10.2.8, and when I originally loaded the OS in, I didn't have
>this problem. Maybe three months down the line, for no good reason, it
>started doing this.
>
>Wallstreet 300mhz, 192mb RAM, 20g HD, CD/DVD, OS 10.2.8

Dave,
Assuming you have OS 9 installed on your WS, you might solve your 
problem by restarting in OS 9, and then go back to OS X. That's 
worked for a number of other users.

Another option, though not as acceptable I'm sure, is revert back to 
OS 10.2.5 or 10.2.6. There appears to be a problem with update 10.2.8 
for some users of G3 PowerBooks.

Good Luck,

Bob


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Re: Pismo hard drive limit size

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 12:55 PM -0500 9/27/04, Jeff Drummond wrote:


>Er, there probably is a 127GB limit; but as there are currently no
>notebook drives larger than 80 GB this shouldn't be an issue for some
>time yet.

I guess you haven't heard the latest, Jeff. 100 GB drives are almost here:



:-)

Bob


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Re: Command key

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 10:00 PM -0500 9/27/04, Dan Palka wrote:

>on 9/27/04 8:30 PM, Bob at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I feel the same way about people who call the Command key by another
> > name. The first thought that goes through my mind is "That's a newbie
> > that doesn't know any better." It doesn't matter to me how many
> > alternatives MacAddict puts on a list.
> >
> > So my feeling is the more serious a person wants to be taken, the
> > more accurately they need to communicate.
>
>That's fine and dandy, and I usually do say Command when talking to other
>Mac users, but to myself and other non-mac users I still say Flower out of
>habit.  I like saying flower, and if it was up to me, I'd say flower all the
>time.  It makes the Mac sound more friendly.
>
>If that makes me sound unprofessional or not serious enough, then you need
>to do one thing...
>
>Lighten up!

I'm sorry you feel like my comments were a personal attack at you, 
Dan. I went out of my way to emphasize that that wasn't the case. Of 
course you are free to call the Command key whatever you want. I 
never said otherwise. I was telling you how that will be perceived by 
some of the people who will be in a position to help you if you need 
it.

FWIW when I deal with people who don't know what the Command key is, 
I normally just tell them that it's the first key to the left of the 
space-bar. Most of the people I deal with are smart enough to figure 
that one out.

I don't believe in flame-wars (only the immature resort to calling 
names while hidden behind the invisibility of an email address), so I 
didn't go there, and I'm not going to go there. There is certainly 
room for people to disagree without lashing out at the other person.

Bob


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Adobe InDesign CS on 14-inch G4 iBook...

[Michael Shaw]

Seriously, folks, is it just me or is InDesign CS really the most awkward 
and un-intuitive Adobe product ever made ?

I can't believe that I un-installed QuarkXPress for this. Nothing is where i 
expect it to be and many of the features and pallets are simply annoying.

M
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