G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
Greetings folks, This may be a no-brainer Q... but I don't know... I'm thinking of buying from a certain vendor a G4 ibook that comes without an OS. My Q is, How can you install an OS if it doesn't already have one? I have OS 9.1 CDs which came with this current G3 ibook (300mhz, 6gig, 128 ram). Will a G4 ibook (800mhz, 30gig, 640 ram) without any OS on it, let me boot from and/or install this OS 9.1-CD, for starters? (Eventually I would look to buy OSX CDs, etc.) In other words, I'm sure the machine will turn on, but then what? Will a G4 ibook w/o any OS on it even let you get to the Start Up Disk in the Apple Menu/Control Panels so you can set it to start up on the OS 9.1 CD? And then would it let me merely copy to HD the entire OS 9.1 from the CD? If so, that'd be great. But if not, I wouldn't want to buy this G4 ibook if I can't even make it work. If it's more complicated than what I described above, does anyone know of a webpage or URL that would list How To do such a thing, step-by-step? Thanks for any tips! Best regards, Gail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
any requirement for OSX on first 8gb on a Pismo?
Hello, Can anyone tell me if OSX 10.4 must be installed on the first 8 gb of a hard drive on a Pismo? Thanks. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: any requirement for OSX on first 8gb on a Pismo?
Can anyone tell me if OSX 10.4 must be installed on the first 8 gb of a hard drive on a Pismo? I recently upgraded my Pismo's drive to a 60 GB drive and I cloned my 10.3 install to that drive. I did not partition the drive in any way and all works just fine, so I'd have to guess that no, there is no 8 GB limit on the Pismo (not like the way the 1st gen iMac needs OS X in a partition that does not exceed the first 8 GB). -chris http://www.mythtech.net -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Pismo DVD/CD-RW drive
DVD movies are fine on this one. Retail and DVD-R. Thanks! Now I'll pick up a drive off ebay from a Dell or similar and get it installed in my Pismo. Thanks to everyone else as well for their advice on this topic. -chris http://www.mythtech.net -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
on 09/12/05 05:23, BGbank at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings folks, This may be a no-brainer Q... but I don't know... I'm thinking of buying from a certain vendor a G4 ibook that comes without an OS. My Q is, How can you install an OS if it doesn't already have one? I have OS 9.1 CDs which came with this current G3 ibook (300mhz, 6gig, 128 ram). Will a G4 ibook (800mhz, 30gig, 640 ram) without any OS on it, let me boot from and/or install this OS 9.1-CD, for starters? (Eventually I would look to buy OSX CDs, etc.) In other words, I'm sure the machine will turn on, but then what? Will a G4 ibook w/o any OS on it even let you get to the Start Up Disk in the Apple Menu/Control Panels so you can set it to start up on the OS 9.1 CD? And then would it let me merely copy to HD the entire OS 9.1 from the CD? If so, that'd be great. But if not, I wouldn't want to buy this G4 ibook if I can't even make it work. If it's more complicated than what I described above, does anyone know of a webpage or URL that would list How To do such a thing, step-by-step? Depending on the model of iBook, it may or may not boot from that OS 9.1 CD. Any Macintosh will be able to boot from an appropriate system install CD. The CD has a version of the OS so that the Mac can boot from it. The only gotcha is to make sure that the system install CD you have is appropriate for the specific model of Mac you're planning to use it with. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] metasyntactic variable: n. A name used in examples and understood to stand for whatever thing is under discussion, or any random member of a class of things under discussion. The word foo is the canonical example. To avoid confusion, hackers never (well, hardly ever) use `foo' or other words like it as permanent names for anything. In filenames, a common convention is that any filename beginning with a metasyntactic-variable name is a scratch file that may be deleted at any time. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:23 AM, BGbank wrote: Greetings folks, This may be a no-brainer Q... but I don't know... I'm thinking of buying from a certain vendor a G4 ibook that comes without an OS. My Q is, How can you install an OS if it doesn't already have one? G4 iBooks will require Panther or better. It will not boot into any version of 9. Just buy the retail CD's for Panther or DVD for Tiger, boot with the C key held down. Nothing more to it than that. -Dylan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
On 12/9/05, Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 09/12/05 05:23, BGbank at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings folks, This may be a no-brainer Q... but I don't know... I'm thinking of buying from a certain vendor a G4 ibook that comes without an OS. My Q is, How can you install an OS if it doesn't already have one? I have OS 9.1 CDs which came with this current G3 ibook (300mhz, 6gig, 128 ram). Will a G4 ibook (800mhz, 30gig, 640 ram) without any OS on it, let me boot from and/or install this OS 9.1-CD, for starters? (Eventually I would look to buy OSX CDs, etc.) In other words, I'm sure the machine will turn on, but then what? Will a G4 ibook w/o any OS on it even let you get to the Start Up Disk in the Apple Menu/Control Panels so you can set it to start up on the OS 9.1 CD? And then would it let me merely copy to HD the entire OS 9.1 from the CD? If so, that'd be great. But if not, I wouldn't want to buy this G4 ibook if I can't even make it work. If it's more complicated than what I described above, does anyone know of a webpage or URL that would list How To do such a thing, step-by-step? Depending on the model of iBook, it may or may not boot from that OS 9.1 CD. Any Macintosh will be able to boot from an appropriate system install CD. The CD has a version of the OS so that the Mac can boot from it. The only gotcha is to make sure that the system install CD you have is appropriate for the specific model of Mac you're planning to use it with. -Laurent. -- First, the price of the iBook should be discounted because there is no original CD or OS loaded on the iBook. It should be sold with the original OS and include the CD's but that does not happen all the time so you will be responsible to get a licensed OS for it. I would not buy one that way personally because there could be problems you will not know about until it's got an OS on it. Unless you know the seller personally of course, or can return it if there is a problem. Many of the Mac specific install CD's like the one you have may not boot and install on any other specific Mac. So your OS 9 CD from your iBook may or may not work. Since it is an iBook CD your chances are better that it will work. You will find out when you boot from the CD and do the install process whether or not it will work for that particular iBook. If you have access to the iBook try booting from your CD by starting it or restarting it with the CD in the iBook while holding down the C key. Installing an OS is as simple as booting from the CD with the C key and following the installer instructions. It's easy to do. I would suggest buying a retail version of OS 10.3 from the swaplist or eBay as soon as possible. Your G3 iBook can also run OS 10.3 with enough RAM and it would be a much better Mac'n experience than OS 9.1 ever was. If you are going to buy a G4 iBook you should put a decent OS on it. OS 9 on a G4 is like driving a Cadillac with a Chevette motor in it. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Airport Client Monitor problem
All of a sudden, Airport Client Monitor on my 15 AlBook 1.25MHz no longer works properly. Upon loading, it shows a steeply declining line that goes to zero and stays there, despite my having a steady signal (as displayed in the Airport menu, and as evidenced by being able to go online without a problem). Can this be re-set? I haven't been able to locate a Preferences file for it so far. Thanks. Regards, Harry Corsover = Feel better, look younger, live longer and make more money with Synergy Worldwide: Harry Corsover [EMAIL PROTECTED]303-909-9218 www.harryc.biz -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: any requirement for OSX on first 8gb on a Pismo?
On Dec 9, 2005, at 5:48 AM, kaldav wrote: Hello, Can anyone tell me if OSX 10.4 must be installed on the first 8 gb of a hard drive on a Pismo? No. The ONLY machines that this limit applies to are: WallStreet, Beige G3s and the first generation iMacs. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: any requirement for OSX on first 8gb on a Pismo?
Interestingly though, I have a Wallstreet upgraded to a G4 with a 60 gig drive and while I could not install Panther on it unless I partitioned it, Tiger installed just fine using Xpostfacto (I hope I spelled that right). Tom On 12/9/05, Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 5:48 AM, kaldav wrote: Hello, Can anyone tell me if OSX 10.4 must be installed on the first 8 gb of a hard drive on a Pismo? No. The ONLY machines that this limit applies to are: WallStreet, Beige G3s and the first generation iMacs. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- My wife makes itty bitty horse tack http://www.darkstormstudio.com http://editor.weeklyzone.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: any requirement for OSX on first 8gb on a Pismo?
At 8:24 AM -0500 12/9/05, chris wrote: Can anyone tell me if OSX 10.4 must be installed on the first 8 gb of a hard drive on a Pismo? I recently upgraded my Pismo's drive to a 60 GB drive and I cloned my 10.3 install to that drive. I did not partition the drive in any way and all works just fine, so I'd have to guess that no, there is no 8 GB limit on the Pismo (not like the way the 1st gen iMac needs OS X in a partition that does not exceed the first 8 GB). While it's true the Pismo doesn't have the limit, that it worked in this case isn't a valid test. You can do the same thing to those machines with the limit and it may work. It depends on certain files being located in the first 8Gb. The limit isn't on how big a drive you can have but is based on the boot code being able to load some files only in the first 8Gb. The installer requires that the boot volume be 8Gb to avoid any possibility of the files being outside the 8Gb limit. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
What a bunch of garbage!
Hi folks, I seemed to have mis-placed the trash can in OS9.1. Any ideas on where it might be hiding? FWIW, I can still right-click on an item and put it into the trash, and empty the trash via the pulldown. TIA, -- MacManMark [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
iBook Logic Board extended repair program x2?
Greetings ... Just curious if any of you have had to send an iBook G3 in more than once for video issues covered by the Logic Board Extended Repair Program. We sent one in several months ago and it worked well until recently, but now it's exhibiting the same garbled video and blank screen on startup issues as before the repair. Apple's been very cooperative and will be picking it up for diagnosis. Have any of you had the good fortune of having your iBook repaired more than once for this issue? Do you know exactly what it is they diagnose/repair with this? Like I said, just curious ... Jean -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: What a bunch of garbage!
At 5:20 PM + 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I seemed to have mis-placed the trash can in OS9.1. Any ideas on where it might be hiding? FWIW, I can still right-click on an item and put it into the trash, and empty the trash via the pulldown. Change the screen resolution to the next size down then back up to what you are using now. The Trash should now be visible. If you still can't see it, in finder type tra. The Trash should now be highlighted. If it isn't try hitting tab a few times till it is. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: any requirement for OSX on first 8gb on a Pismo?
While it's true the Pismo doesn't have the limit, that it worked in this case isn't a valid test. You can do the same thing to those machines with the limit and it may work. It depends on certain files being located in the first 8Gb. The limit isn't on how big a drive you can have but is based on the boot code being able to load some files only in the first 8Gb. The installer requires that the boot volume be 8Gb to avoid any possibility of the files being outside the 8Gb limit. Very true. My bad on my reply... it originally had a lead in section that mentioned that I originally installed OS X (10.3) on a 12 GB drive that was in the Pismo when I got it about a year ago. Again with no partitioning. I then recently upgraded it to a 60 GB and cloned it when I did so. With my lead in section, it makes it a little more clear that it doesn't appear to have the 8 GB limit. Without it, as you point out, it doesn't really mean much. Where that lead in paragraph went, I have no idea. I'll chalk it up to either distraction when I was editing my reply, or my email client once again ate part of it (for a reason I have yet to figure out, Emailer running under OS X seems to periodically decide the mouse has clicked and dragged instead of just moving over an area... as a result, I periodically loose parts of emails that are selected and then deleted when I press anything on the keyboard, such as the enter key to send the email... don't know why it happens, and although it is very annoying, I've not bothered to spend much time trying to figure it out... with Classic going bye bye on the upcoming Intel based Macs, I'll be forced to leave Emailer behind anyway) -chris http://www.mythtech.net -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
Dylan McDermond at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 10:46 AM G4 iBooks will require Panther or better. It will not boot into any version of 9. Just buy the retail CD's for Panther or DVD for Tiger, boot with the C key held down. Nothing more to it than that. -Dylan THANK YOU Dylan. I didn't know about the C key. That sounds simple enough! Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 8:33 AM Depending on the model of iBook, it may or may not boot from that OS 9.1 CD. Any Macintosh will be able to boot from an appropriate system install CD. The CD has a version of the OS so that the Mac can boot from it. The only gotcha is to make sure that the system install CD you have is appropriate for the specific model of Mac you're planning to use it with. -Laurent. That sounds easy enough to figure out by checking some specs at everymac or apple, which I did, and so I'm thinking OS9 would NOT work on the G4/800mhz, first edition. I never had a mac w/No OS, so wasn't sure. Thanks again. Krow Magnum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 10:47 AM First, the price of the iBook should be discounted because there is no original CD or OS loaded on the iBook. It should be sold with the original OS and include the CD's but that does not happen all the time so you will be responsible to get a licensed OS for it. Yes, thanks. It is discounted, or was, I should say, because I just got email to my query and in their ad/mac description it had said at the bottom of the page Buy Now for $400 but he just wrote me to say that was a mistake, as it was supposed to say that bidding STARTS at $400. I thought it was too good to be true, lol. Of course he said if no one bids on it he would gladly sell it for the $400. I would not buy one that way personally because there could be problems you will not know about until it's got an OS on it. Unless you know the seller personally of course, or can return it if there is a problem. Thanks for that advice. I didn't think about the fact there COULD be problems unknown UNTIL an OS was put on it. And no, I don't know the people but they are a power seller at ebay with refurbs and 30-day warranty only. Many of the Mac specific install CD's like the one you have may not boot and install on any other specific Mac. So your OS 9 CD from your iBook may or may not work. Since it is an iBook CD your chances are better that it will work. You will find out when you boot from the CD and do the install process whether or not it will work for that particular iBook. If you have access to the iBook try booting from your CD by starting it or restarting it with the CD in the iBook while holding down the C key. I love that C key tip, thanks! I wish I had access to it to try it out in advance but not yet and may not even end up with it if the bidding doesn't work out. Installing an OS is as simple as booting from the CD with the C key and following the installer instructions. It's easy to do. I would suggest buying a retail version of OS 10.3 from the swaplist or eBay as soon as possible. Yes, thanks, I already zeroed in on two good deals at ebay for the 10.4/Tiger but I won't need them if I don't get the G4-without-OS. Your G3 iBook can also run OS 10.3 with enough RAM and it would be a much better Mac'n experience than OS 9.1 ever was. I just don't think these 6gig'er clamshells are enough HD memory. I have hardly anything on this current G3 clamshell (IE-OE-MS Office 98, etc.) and it's slow as molasses and bogs down, etc. which is why I was looking for a newer model with more mhz and more ram and mucho bigger HD. Also it's awful heavy on the lap! ;-) If you are going to buy a G4 iBook you should put a decent OS on it. Definitely, I agree, thanks! Some good deals on OSX's at ebay, haven't seen too many through the swap list yet. And since most newer macs COME WITH an OSX, the only reason I was needing one was due to this possible G4-deal w/o the OS, but thought if I could get it revved up first w/the OS9 which I already have... but that's history now, I'm thinking it wouldn't work and if I get the G4 I would just go ahead and get a separate OSX for it at the same time since the prices don't look as bad as I expected (for full install versions). OS 9 on a G4 is like driving a Cadillac with a Chevette motor in it. Ron heehee, good one! ;-) What's the most important factor on an ibook for it to work the best/faster? Ram size, or HD size, or mhz/ghz size? Will Tiger function okay on a G3/500mhz ibook? The Tiger page at apple.com says Tiger will work on any PowerPC G3-G4-G5 but one seller had said 800mhz would be better and another comment at amazon someone said 800mhz was even too slow for Tiger. THANKS Ron, Dylan, and Laurent! With all that advice I now have a much clearer idea of what I'm doing! Best regards, Gail - on 09/12/05 05:23, BGbank at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings folks, This may be a no-brainer Q... but I
Re: What a bunch of garbage!
I seemed to have mis-placed the trash can in OS9.1. Any ideas on where it might be hiding? FWIW, I can still right-click on an item and put it into the trash, and empty the trash via the pulldown. It may have been pushed off the screen. You can try doing a Clean Up from the Special Menu, or change your screen resolution to something less than it is now, and then back again. That should force all icons to be moved to fit inside the smaller resolution's desktop space, and thus move any off screen back on screen. -chris http://www.mythtech.net -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: iBook Logic Board extended repair program x2?
3x the repair ssems to last for only about 4 months John --- Jean Sinervo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings ... Just curious if any of you have had to send an iBook G3 in more than once for video issues covered by the Logic Board Extended Repair Program. We sent one in several months ago and it worked well until recently, but now it's exhibiting the same garbled video and blank screen on startup issues as before the repair. Apple's been very cooperative and will be picking it up for diagnosis. Have any of you had the good fortune of having your iBook repaired more than once for this issue? Do you know exactly what it is they diagnose/repair with this? Like I said, just curious ... Jean -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
Not that it would help Gail's situation, but I'm curious: Could a mac without an OS on it's hard drive be started up in target mode? And if it could, would doing a full backup with a program like SuperDuper be able to put a working OS, as well as other files, on the one with the blank drive, from a working Mac? LaterHoward -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
On 09/12/05 12:47, Howard Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that it would help Gail's situation, but I'm curious: Could a mac without an OS on it's hard drive be started up in target mode? And if it could, would doing a full backup with a program like SuperDuper be able to put a working OS, as well as other files, on the one with the blank drive, from a working Mac? It should as the target disk mode is implemented in the firmware, even before the machine tries to boot. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: iBook Logic Board extended repair program x2?
I have a G3 700 iBook that has been in twice for logic board replacement. Both times were no hassle. First time shipped from workplace to repair center. Second (just last month) was from AASC. First time it was diagnosed over the phone, second time by service tech at AASC. Hope this helps. Good luck, Henry On Dec 9, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Jean Sinervo wrote: Greetings ... Just curious if any of you have had to send an iBook G3 in more than once for video issues covered by the Logic Board Extended Repair Program. We sent one in several months ago and it worked well until recently, but now it's exhibiting the same garbled video and blank screen on startup issues as before the repair. Apple's been very cooperative and will be picking it up for diagnosis. Have any of you had the good fortune of having your iBook repaired more than once for this issue? Do you know exactly what it is they diagnose/repair with this? Like I said, just curious ... Jean -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
On Dec 9, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Howard Katz wrote: Not that it would help Gail's situation, but I'm curious: Could a mac without an OS on it's hard drive be started up in target mode? And if it could, would doing a full backup with a program like SuperDuper be able to put a working OS, as well as other files, on the one with the blank drive, from a working Mac? Yes. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
On 12/9/05, BGbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OS 9 on a G4 is like driving a Cadillac with a Chevette motor in it. Ron heehee, good one! ;-) What's the most important factor on an ibook for it to work the best/faster? Ram size, or HD size, or mhz/ghz size? Will Tiger function okay on a G3/500mhz ibook? The Tiger page at apple.com says Tiger will work on any PowerPC G3-G4-G5 but one seller had said 800mhz would be better and another comment at amazon someone said 800mhz was even too slow for Tiger. THANKS Ron, Dylan, and Laurent! With all that advice I now have a much clearer idea of what I'm doing! Best regards, Gail - Everything like MHz, RAM and even HD speed makes a difference in how the OS will run. For the average user hard drive size only makes a difference if it gets loaded too full, but mostly it just limits you to how many apps you can have installed. Adding RAM will improve any Macs performance and is easy to do. Adding RAM is always the first thing I do with a new Mac and I try to add as much as I can afford. In my opinion RAM gives the best return on your money of all the things you can add to a computer. I have a Clamshell 466MHz G3 with a 10GB drive that I have Tiger running on with 320MB of RAM and it does ok on surfing and light duty. I may end up putting Panther back on it because it was snappier than Tiger is and for what I use the Clamshell for I don't need the added perks of Tiger. I also had a 300MHz Clamshell with 320MB of RAM and a 6GB hard drive running Panther but the hard drive size was too small for what I want loaded on it. Panther ran fine on it though and with thorough cleaning and burning files to CD's it is easy to keep the junk from overloading the Mac. One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. So at least he didn't add Panther or Tiger to the iBook to sell it for more money and that's a good sign. Even the Swaplist has far too many Macs for sale that have newer OS's installed without CD's included in the sale, which is pirated software and also a violation of the LEM rules but apparently the nanny never reads the posts. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
What's the most important factor on an ibook for it to work the best/faster? Max RAM will have the most salutory effect - I'd say *AT LEAST* 512 MB is needed, 1 GB or more is even better. Will Tiger function okay on a G3/500mhz ibook? The Tiger page at apple.com says Tiger will work on any PowerPC G3-G4-G5 but one seller had said 800mhz would be better and another comment at amazon someone said 800mhz was even too slow for Tiger. It'll function okay but whether it's fast enough is a subjective opinion. I'd say that with max RAM a G3/500 iBook would be more than adequate for light duty use, but if you do more than basic stuff you'll be much happier with at least a G4/800 iBook. Gene Osburn Common sense...isn't -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
I have a G4 iBook and got new for a discount because it only has a CD drive. That was all I wanted really. The seller, Small Dog, sold it as new old stock and provided the OS. You should know that if you find a G4 without a DVD drive you'll have to specify that your OS install disks have to be CD. Tiger is available on CDs from Apple but the default medium for Tiger is DVD. In fact if you bought Tiger on a DVD you can send the DVD to Apple and they'll sell you the CD version for I think $15 or so. eBay-ers will probably bid the price of that G4 way over $400. I've also run into sneaky stuff like little extra charges because the sellers complain that they are just paying too much for PayPal. I find eBay completely odious. But you may find really good deals via DealMac, where you can sign up for alerts on low prices for G4 iBooks. Also remember that a new iBook comes not only with an OS, but with other bundled applications that aren't part of the OS installation. So when comparing you may find that the loss of things like Appleworks or Quicken may factor into your cost analysis. Caveat emptor. John On Dec 9, 2005, at 9:40 AM, BGbank wrote: Dylan McDermond at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 10:46 AM G4 iBooks will require Panther or better. It will not boot into any version of 9. Just buy the retail CD's for Panther or DVD for Tiger, boot with the C key held down. Nothing more to it than that. -Dylan THANK YOU Dylan. I didn't know about the C key. That sounds simple enough! Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 8:33 AM Depending on the model of iBook, it may or may not boot from that OS 9.1 CD. Any Macintosh will be able to boot from an appropriate system install CD. The CD has a version of the OS so that the Mac can boot from it. The only gotcha is to make sure that the system install CD you have is appropriate for the specific model of Mac you're planning to use it with. -Laurent. That sounds easy enough to figure out by checking some specs at everymac or apple, which I did, and so I'm thinking OS9 would NOT work on the G4/800mhz, first edition. I never had a mac w/No OS, so wasn't sure. Thanks again. Krow Magnum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 10:47 AM First, the price of the iBook should be discounted because there is no original CD or OS loaded on the iBook. It should be sold with the original OS and include the CD's but that does not happen all the time so you will be responsible to get a licensed OS for it. Yes, thanks. It is discounted, or was, I should say, because I just got email to my query and in their ad/mac description it had said at the bottom of the page Buy Now for $400 but he just wrote me to say that was a mistake, as it was supposed to say that bidding STARTS at $400. I thought it was too good to be true, lol. Of course he said if no one bids on it he would gladly sell it for the $400. I would not buy one that way personally because there could be problems you will not know about until it's got an OS on it. Unless you know the seller personally of course, or can return it if there is a problem. Thanks for that advice. I didn't think about the fact there COULD be problems unknown UNTIL an OS was put on it. And no, I don't know the people but they are a power seller at ebay with refurbs and 30-day warranty only. Many of the Mac specific install CD's like the one you have may not boot and install on any other specific Mac. So your OS 9 CD from your iBook may or may not work. Since it is an iBook CD your chances are better that it will work. You will find out when you boot from the CD and do the install process whether or not it will work for that particular iBook. If you have access to the iBook try booting from your CD by starting it or restarting it with the CD in the iBook while holding down the C key. I love that C key tip, thanks! I wish I had access to it to try it out in advance but not yet and may not even end up with it if the bidding doesn't work out. Installing an OS is as simple as booting from the CD with the C key and following the installer instructions. It's easy to do. I would suggest buying a retail version of OS 10.3 from the swaplist or eBay as soon as possible. Yes, thanks, I already zeroed in on two good deals at ebay for the 10.4/Tiger but I won't need them if I don't get the G4-without-OS. Your G3 iBook can also run OS 10.3 with enough RAM and it would be a much better Mac'n experience than OS 9.1 ever was. I just don't think these 6gig'er clamshells are enough HD memory. I have hardly anything on this current G3 clamshell (IE-OE-MS Office 98, etc.) and it's slow as molasses and bogs down, etc. which is why I was looking for a newer model with more mhz and more ram and mucho bigger HD. Also it's awful heavy on the lap! ;-) If you are going to buy a G4 iBook you should put a decent OS on it.
Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
On 12/9/05, John Siple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eBay-ers will probably bid the price of that G4 way over $400. I've also run into sneaky stuff like little extra charges because the sellers complain that they are just paying too much for PayPal. I find eBay completely odious. But you may find really good deals via DealMac, where you can sign up for alerts on low prices for G4 iBooks. A quick look at G4 800MHz sales on ebay shows the iBooks sell for about $5-700.00 so keep that in mind. And watch what they charge for shipping too. $20.00 is usually plenty $$ to ship a laptop with insurance in the US. You can still get new iBooks for $999.00 (12) too and refurbs are even less. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Gene - Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
Gene Osburn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 1:33 PM What's the most important factor on an ibook for it to work the best/faster? Max RAM will have the most salutory effect - I'd say *AT LEAST* 512 MB is needed, 1 GB or more is even better. Thank you! The G4-800mhz they are selling has 640mb which the specs say is the max for that model. Of course the G3-300mhz clamshell I'm using now has the bare MINImum, 128. Will Tiger function okay on a G3/500mhz ibook? The Tiger page at apple.com says Tiger will work on any PowerPC G3-G4-G5 but one seller had said 800mhz would be better and another comment at amazon someone said 800mhz was even too slow for Tiger. It'll function okay but whether it's fast enough is a subjective opinion. I'd say that with max RAM a G3/500 iBook would be more than adequate for light duty use, but if you do more than basic stuff you'll be much happier with at least a G4/800 iBook. Gene Osburn Common sense...isn't The G3-500mhz w/Tiger is the second item I was looking at, at ebay (in addition to looking at the G4-800mhz w/o OS). I guess I do basic stuff because have never had a machine big/fast enough to do much else, and only recently got high-speed cable and before that, a total bear to even visit ebay at all. The G3-500mhz has 384mb ram and a whopping 55gig HD. Which is all good if the 500mhz would work OK w/Tiger but since that's what he has on it, maybe it works fine. Thanks Gene! Gail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Ron - Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
Krow Magnum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 1:21 PM Everything like MHz, RAM and even HD speed makes a difference in how the OS will run. For the average user hard drive size only makes a difference if it gets loaded too full, but mostly it just limits you to how many apps you can have installed. Adding RAM will improve any Macs performance and is easy to do. Adding RAM is always the first thing I do with a new Mac and I try to add as much as I can afford. In my opinion RAM gives the best return on your money of all the things you can add to a computer. Thanks for the advice. I should've put more RAM on this clamshell a long time ago. I had always heard clamshells were hard to open and install RAM so was never anxious to mess with it. Would rather put any $ toward something a little bigger/faster. I have a Clamshell 466MHz G3 with a 10GB drive that I have Tiger running on with 320MB of RAM and it does ok on surfing and light duty. I may end up putting Panther back on it because it was snappier than Tiger is and for what I use the Clamshell for I don't need the added perks of Tiger. I can't imagine fitting another OS of any kind of this 6gig, and I really don't have that many apps for the same reason. So I keep it for internet and email and some word-processing, but want to add a newer faster laptop. And I definitely wanted Tiger on whatever newer machine because I heard that spotlight is awesome for finding emails (I heard Walt Mossberg, WSJ techie, on Charlie Rose one night rave about spotlight and how easy it is to find emails, and that's exactly why I want Tiger. I've got a yahoo email list and I just can't find emails anymore - I've reached the boggled-mind limit, lol). I also had a 300MHz Clamshell with 320MB of RAM and a 6GB hard drive running Panther but the hard drive size was too small for what I want loaded on it. Panther ran fine on it though and with thorough cleaning and burning files to CD's it is easy to keep the junk from overloading the Mac. Well, that's yet another reason I wanted a newer ibook, so it would have CDRW on it! Zips don't hold much anymore and I want an INTERNAL CDRW vs. all this stuff hanging off the ibook, like the zip and USB-hub, etc. One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. So at least he didn't add Panther or Tiger to the iBook to sell it for more money and that's a good sign. Thank you for explaining that! I just replied to the guy and asked why he did NOT have an OS on it! ;-) Thanks! BTW, it appears they sell more pc's than mac's so I was thinking maybe they didn't know too much about macs. Even the Swaplist has far too many Macs for sale that have newer OS's installed without CD's included in the sale, which is pirated software and also a violation of the LEM rules but apparently the nanny never reads the posts. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ Ops! Cat's out of the bag now! ;-) Gail --- On 12/9/05, BGbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OS 9 on a G4 is like driving a Cadillac with a Chevette motor in it. Ron heehee, good one! ;-) What's the most important factor on an ibook for it to work the best/faster? Ram size, or HD size, or mhz/ghz size? Will Tiger function okay on a G3/500mhz ibook? The Tiger page at apple.com says Tiger will work on any PowerPC G3-G4-G5 but one seller had said 800mhz would be better and another comment at amazon someone said 800mhz was even too slow for Tiger. THANKS Ron, Dylan, and Laurent! With all that advice I now have a much clearer idea of what I'm doing! Best regards, Gail - -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
John Siple at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 1:33 PM I have a G4 iBook and got new for a discount because it only has a CD drive. That was all I wanted really. The seller, Small Dog, sold it as new old stock and provided the OS. You should know that if you find a G4 without a DVD drive you'll have to specify that your OS install disks have to be CD. Tiger is available on CDs from Apple but the default medium for Tiger is DVD. In fact if you bought Tiger on a DVD you can send the DVD to Apple and they'll sell you the CD version for I think $15 or so. Thanks, John, for the helpful tips. I've only been looking at machines with Combo drives because I definitely want an internal CDRW. And, yeah, I did notice one seller saying they would NOT include the coupon for getting the DVD in CD from apple. Prior to that I didn't realize there was such a thing. eBay-ers will probably bid the price of that G4 way over $400. I'm sure you're right. I'm not an ebay fan, really, I have never bought one single thing there before -- never could access the site with dial-up, it was monstrously slow and I couldn't stand it. But just got high speed and went to check it out. I was mainly checking out the Buy it Now items because I'm not into all that frenzied bidding at the last second. I've also run into sneaky stuff like little extra charges because the sellers complain that they are just paying too much for PayPal. Yeah, that's baloney, I see that in a lot of places besides ebay, people adding $10 or $15 to the price because they have to pay PayPal and they try to bum it off on the buyer. Even non-profits are doing that, I ran across two recently who did that, and I say, If you want my $, don't be such a cheapskate, I'm not going to pay your fees, too! :-/ I find eBay completely odious. But you may find really good deals via DealMac, where you can sign up for alerts on low prices for G4 iBooks. ;-) I guess we agree ebay isn't the greatest all around. It is a little scary, especially the unknown people, though there are some regular mac shops that list items there, too, like powerbookguy and brentsales are two I noticed and have been mulling over some of their items. I'll have to revisit DealMac... I haven't checked all places yet. Also remember that a new iBook comes not only with an OS, but with other bundled applications that aren't part of the OS installation. So when comparing you may find that the loss of things like Appleworks or Quicken may factor into your cost analysis. Thank you, I did notice the difference in the descriptions of Full-Install CDs/DVDs and other upgrade versions. Some people are good at writing detailed descriptions of their items and what is included, even all the items on the CDs/DVDs, and then others you have to email them 3 times to get the simple specifics of what you'd like to know! Caveat emptor. John The G3/500mhz/55gig/384ram/Tiger guy actually sent me an ebay message asking if I wanted to look at his ebay item, and he listed the item #. When I asked how he knew I was even looking, he never gave an answer (I assumed he saw my name in another bid) but I wondered how cool was it for him to contact people like that who have bid on other items? I dunno, since I'm not an experienced ebay'er, maybe that's the norm and is no big deal. Then it turns out he's French but the item is in TX, and since his English (or maybe just his typing) is choppy, he doesn't write complete answers. So that was making me nervous even though his is a good-sounding-deal, too. So Yes, indeed, beware. Thanks! Gail On Dec 9, 2005, at 9:40 AM, BGbank wrote: Dylan McDermond at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 10:46 AM G4 iBooks will require Panther or better. It will not boot into any version of 9. Just buy the retail CD's for Panther or DVD for Tiger, boot with the C key held down. Nothing more to it than that. -Dylan THANK YOU Dylan. I didn't know about the C key. That sounds simple enough! Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 8:33 AM Depending on the model of iBook, it may or may not boot from that OS 9.1 CD. Any Macintosh will be able to boot from an appropriate system install CD. The CD has a version of the OS so that the Mac can boot from it. The only gotcha is to make sure that the system install CD you have is appropriate for the specific model of Mac you're planning to use it with. -Laurent. That sounds easy enough to figure out by checking some specs at everymac or apple, which I did, and so I'm thinking OS9 would NOT work on the G4/800mhz, first edition. I never had a mac w/No OS, so wasn't sure. Thanks again. Krow Magnum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 10:47 AM First, the price of the iBook should be discounted because there is no original CD or OS loaded on the iBook. It should be sold with the original OS and include the CD's but that does not happen all the time so you
Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
Clark Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 1:39 PM At 10:33 AM -0800 12/9/05, Gene Osburn wrote: What's the most important factor on an ibook for it to work the best/faster? Max RAM will have the most salutory effect - I'd say *AT LEAST* 512 MB is needed, 1 GB or more is even better. I concur. I used my iBook G4 for the first week with just the stock 256Mb. Every time I switch apps the beach ball cursor sat and spun. When I got the 1Gb upgrade it just jumped from app to app. At first I considered the 512Mb upgrade. But then I figured I would eventually go to 1Gb (1.25 Gb total) and my guesstimate for the cost made the 1Gb now the more economical over all. More is better! And that dang beachball, lol. I am too familiar with that thang! /Gail --- Will Tiger function okay on a G3/500mhz ibook? The Tiger page at apple.com says Tiger will work on any PowerPC G3-G4-G5 but one seller had said 800mhz would be better and another comment at amazon someone said 800mhz was even too slow for Tiger. It'll function okay but whether it's fast enough is a subjective opinion. I'd say that with max RAM a G3/500 iBook would be more than adequate for light duty use, but if you do more than basic stuff you'll be much happier with at least a G4/800 iBook. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ron - Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
snip I've got a yahoo email list and I just can't find emails anymore - I've reached the boggled-mind limit, lol). ah, the beauty of Gmail. I would never argue against the merits of Tiger, but if the email is the one thing pushing you over the edge, you might want to consider moving to gmail. I would assume anyone with gmail would have plenty of invites - I know I have 100. --Van -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
Krow Magnum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 1:48 PM On 12/9/05, John Siple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eBay-ers will probably bid the price of that G4 way over $400. I've also run into sneaky stuff like little extra charges because the sellers complain that they are just paying too much for PayPal. I find eBay completely odious. But you may find really good deals via DealMac, where you can sign up for alerts on low prices for G4 iBooks. A quick look at G4 800MHz sales on ebay shows the iBooks sell for about $5-700.00 so keep that in mind. And watch what they charge for shipping too. $20.00 is usually plenty $$ to ship a laptop with insurance in the US. You can still get new iBooks for $999.00 (12) too and refurbs are even less. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ Thanks, Ron. This particular one up for grabs is a refurb from a guy or a company who sells quite a few pcs (and apples?) and it is a G4/800mhz/30gig/640mb/ComboDrive and No OS, supposedly checked out by their techs and in good working condition, so if an OS costs about $100, then using your figures, it should be $400-$600 max. And they are saying $30 for FEDEX, which is all they use. I did think $30 was a bit much for SH. A few weeks ago I did start out by looking at the brand new ibooks but thought if I could cut the price in half with a refurb or used, I'd rather go that route than jack up the credit card. ;-) /G -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: gmail
On 12/9/05, Van Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've got a yahoo email list and I just can't find emails anymore - I've reached the boggled-mind limit, lol). ah, the beauty of Gmail. I would never argue against the merits of Tiger, but if the email is the one thing pushing you over the edge, you might want to consider moving to gmail. I would assume anyone with gmail would have plenty of invites - I know I have 100. --Van And Gmail has none of that flashy crap all over the page that Yahoo seems to get more and more of.. I highly recommend Gmail and I was never a fan of on-line mail services until Gmail came along. I had a Yahoo account for years but rarely used it and I use Gmail exclusively now. I don't use my ISP email at all because Gmail is so much easier. I've used Gmail for a couple of years almost and have used 7% of my storage space and I could have thrown away a bunch more but I keep an archive of this list and 3 others. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
On 12/9/05, BGbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The G3/500mhz/55gig/384ram/Tiger guy actually sent me an ebay message asking if I wanted to look at his ebay item, and he listed the item #. When I asked how he knew I was even looking, he never gave an answer (I assumed he saw my name in another bid) but I wondered how cool was it for him to contact people like that who have bid on other items? I dunno, since I'm not an experienced ebay'er, maybe that's the norm and is no big deal. Then it turns out he's French but the item is in TX, and since his English (or maybe just his typing) is choppy, he doesn't write complete answers. So that was making me nervous even though his is a good-sounding-deal, too. So Yes, indeed, beware. Thanks! Gail Not cool at all ! I'm pretty sure that's a violation of eBay policy and is sleazy at the least. And if he is overseas but the item is here in the states I would be very very cautious ! That is a very common scam used on Craigslist and other places laptops are sold. Anything I buy through on-line places like eBay I only pay with Paypal which will protect the buyer or USPS money orders. Nobody wants the US Postal Inspectors on their butt from mail fraud and it's even worse if a USPS money order was payment. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
G3 iBook LCD question
Hi, what is the exchange matrix for LCDs for iBooks, starting with the 500mhz dual USB on up? I recently obtained an iBook 500mhz with a busted screen. I was told all of the non-clamshell G3 iBook LCDs could be used with it, but the 800mhz and 900mhz LCDs would be a slightly different color. Thank you for the help! xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Software piracy
In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. So at least he didn't add Panther or Tiger to the iBook to sell it for more money and that's a good sign. I don't know about it being an indicator of anyone's honesty or not; what about situations where individuals are selling their personal laptops after being upgraded? Doesn't the act of piracy require some requisite mental state? Also, doesn't the frequently seen Buyer must erase drive after reviewing OS pretty much cover any loose ends? xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. So at least he didn't add Panther or Tiger to the iBook to sell it for more money and that's a good sign. I don't know about it being an indicator of anyone's honesty or not; what about situations where individuals are selling their personal laptops after being upgraded? Doesn't the act of piracy require some requisite mental state? Also, doesn't the frequently seen Buyer must erase drive after reviewing OS pretty much cover any loose ends? xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Gene - Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
On 12/9/05, BGbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you! The G4-800mhz they are selling has 640mb which the specs say is the max for that model. Of course the G3-300mhz clamshell I'm using now has the bare MINImum, 128. Will Tiger function okay on a G3/500mhz ibook? The Tiger page at apple.com says Tiger will work on any PowerPC G3-G4-G5 but one seller had said 800mhz would be better and another comment at amazon someone said 800mhz was even too slow for Tiger. It'll function okay but whether it's fast enough is a subjective opinion. I'd say that with max RAM a G3/500 iBook would be more than adequate for light duty use, but if you do more than basic stuff you'll be much happier with at least a G4/800 iBook. Gene Osburn Common sense...isn't The G3-500mhz w/Tiger is the second item I was looking at, at ebay (in addition to looking at the G4-800mhz w/o OS). I guess I do basic stuff because have never had a machine big/fast enough to do much else, and only recently got high-speed cable and before that, a total bear to even visit ebay at all. The G3-500mhz has 384mb ram and a whopping 55gig HD. Which is all good if the 500mhz would work OK w/Tiger but since that's what he has on it, maybe it works fine. Thanks Gene! Gail The advise I always give is spend as much as you can afford. I can't imagine 800MHz as only being adequate for Tiger. My 466 Clam does just fine with surfing, email and ebaying. My 1.5GHz G4 Powerbook doesn't do those things that much faster. A 300MHz G3 iBook would be pushing it but an 800MHz G4 iBook will handle Tiger with no problems. iBooks are made for Light duty use and he's comparing it to something you would need a G4 Powerbook or G4/G5 Powermac for. Anyone using high-end graphics apps or video apps should not be using an iBook anyway. iBooks are for the home computer user and an 800MHz G4 has plenty of oomph for that. As mentioned 512MB or better RAM helps too. Now that you have fast internet you can get on the wifi wagon too ! The main reason I have a Powerbook and iBook is because I can use wifi and lounge on the couch, in bed or out enjoying the weather. (I live in FL so it's nice enough to go outside in my shorts and iBook here) Caution though. it can make one turn into a couch potato ;-) -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. So at least he didn't add Panther or Tiger to the iBook to sell it for more money and that's a good sign. I don't know about it being an indicator of anyone's honesty or not; what about situations where individuals are selling their personal laptops after being upgraded? Doesn't the act of piracy require some requisite mental state? Also, doesn't the frequently seen Buyer must erase drive after reviewing OS pretty much cover any loose ends? That's BS ! They are selling software without a license. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On 12/9/05, john ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. And if you sell a Mac with one of those installs it should include a license transfer with it and you will have one less license. The vast majority of eBay sellers do not buy multi-licenses. Otherwise it should have the original OS on it as the Mac was originally sold with that OS license. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
In a message dated 12/9/05 4:37:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's BS ! They are selling software without a license. Alrighty then; thanks. That must be the most broken law in the world then, because I rarely see a computer on Ebay or anywhere else that has no software. Unless it is in parts or missing the hard drive. xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
Most likely the proper thing to do.. -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer °°.°.°.°. http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ Pismo400, 1G RAM, OS X.4.2 eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. On Dec 9, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Krow Magnum wrote: Otherwise it should have the original OS on it as the Mac was originally sold with that OS license. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Ron/ibooks ebay (was: Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS)
Krow Magnum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 4:10 PM Not cool at all ! I'm pretty sure that's a violation of eBay policy and is sleazy at the least. And if he is overseas but the item is here in the states I would be very very cautious ! That is a very common scam used on Craigslist and other places laptops are sold. Thank you for confirming my suspicions! And funny, while looking around the past few weeks, I had ended up on that Craigslist site, too! Not even sure how I found it, probably google. I'll steer clear of that one. The G3-French guy, when I first replied to his first message (both of us using the ebay message center), I got an automated reply from a US Air Force email account which had English and French wording and his name. So I thought that was a good thing if he was in the military. But when I asked Mr. G3 in the next ebay message if he was in the military, he wrote that No, he was not, but he had access to that Air Force email account. Now THAT, I thought, was also really strange! ... unless he is dating some Air Force lady! ;-) BTW, he's also a 0 feedback person, a brand newbie on ebay, but then so am I so didn't want to hold that one thing against him. Anything I buy through on-line places like eBay I only pay with Paypal which will protect the buyer or USPS money orders. Nobody wants the US Postal Inspectors on their butt from mail fraud and it's even worse if a USPS money order was payment. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ I agree about PayPal and credit card thru PayPal, that way you get double protection if needed. And surprisingly, Mr. French-G3's item shows he does accept PayPal. -- Good to know about the USPS money orders and them sicking the calvary on fraudulent sellers! I didn't think of that! Thanks! Gail --- On 12/9/05, BGbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The G3/500mhz/55gig/384ram/Tiger guy actually sent me an ebay message asking if I wanted to look at his ebay item, and he listed the item #. When I asked how he knew I was even looking, he never gave an answer (I assumed he saw my name in another bid) but I wondered how cool was it for him to contact people like that who have bid on other items? I dunno, since I'm not an experienced ebay'er, maybe that's the norm and is no big deal. Then it turns out he's French but the item is in TX, and since his English (or maybe just his typing) is choppy, he doesn't write complete answers. So that was making me nervous even though his is a good-sounding-deal, too. So Yes, indeed, beware. Thanks! Gail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Gmail Gbooks - (was: Re: Ron - Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question)
Van Snyder at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 2:43 PM snip I've got a yahoo email list and I just can't find emails anymore - I've reached the boggled-mind limit lol). ah, the beauty of Gmail. I would never argue against the merits of Tiger, but if the email is the one thing pushing you over the edge, you might want to consider moving to gmail. I would assume anyone with gmail would have plenty of invites - I know I have 100. --Van Hi Van, when I first heard of gmail sometime back I got excited about it and tried to sign up but at the time it said I didn't have the correct-something... maybe it was browser, can't remember now. I'm using the highest IE there is for OS9, so I'm stuck until I move up to OSX. So I checked again just now and it says something about by invite only...? A few days ago I saw two authors on TV who had written books about google... The Search and I think the other was Google Company. Maybe it's the same for all search engine companies, but the one man said google stores every single search done by every single person on the planet which, google says, is so they can come up with better services, etc., but this author said it could also be used, for instance, in divorce cases where a spouse could get all the search info on their partner, etc., so he didn't think it was a good thing. Krow Magnum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 3:55 PM And Gmail has none of that flashy crap all over the page that Yahoo seems to get more and more of.. I highly recommend Gmail and I was never a fan of on-line mail services until Gmail came along. I've never used webmail either... too cumbersome, too slow (or at least it WAS). Who wants to have to go log on the net just to get into your email? I had a Yahoo account for years but rarely used it and I use Gmail exclusively now. Wow, big switch. I've never used any yahoo accounts I ever made either. They almost make you have one just to use their other services, but it's a waste of space. I don't like yahoo search engine either. I love google search, totally clean search page, no junk, etc. I don't use my ISP email at all because Gmail is so much easier. Wow, now THAT I would have to see and experience! ;-) I've used Gmail for a couple of years almost and have used 7% of my storage space and I could have thrown away a bunch more but I keep an archive of this list and 3 others. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ That's amazing... I may have to give it a test run with one of my lesser accounts and see how it feels. Thanks! Very interesting! I do LOVE google search feature, and I love all websites that have a google search feature. None others compare to it as far as I'm concerned. So what if they are saving all my searches, lol, I'm probably already considered a domestic terrorist (=by having politically incorrect opinions). Gail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
This is completely against ebay policy and you may be setting yourself up for a problem without the protection (such as it is) of dealing through ebay. Tom On 12/9/05 3:10 PM, Krow Magnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The G3/500mhz/55gig/384ram/Tiger guy actually sent me an ebay message asking if I wanted to look at his ebay item, and he listed the item #. When I asked how he knew I was even looking, he never gave an answer (I assumed he saw my name in another bid) but I wondered how cool was it for him to contact people like that who have bid on other items? I dunno, since I'm not an experienced ebay'er, maybe that's the norm and is no big deal. Then it turns out he's French but the item is in TX, and since his English (or maybe just his typing) is choppy, he doesn't write complete answers. So that was making me nervous even though his is a good-sounding-deal, too. So Yes, indeed, beware. Thanks! Gail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 4:28 PM -0500 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. So at least he didn't add Panther or Tiger to the iBook to sell it for more money and that's a good sign. I don't know about it being an indicator of anyone's honesty or not; what about situations where individuals are selling their personal laptops after being upgraded? Doesn't the act of piracy require some requisite mental state? No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for software piracy who've claimed they didn't know it was wrong. That defense rarely works. Also, doesn't the frequently seen Buyer must erase drive after reviewing OS pretty much cover any loose ends? Maybe, legally, maybe not. But it's like someone not to loot the store like everyone else is then giving them a shove. On second thought I don't think it is legal as they are sending it to you without the disks so at that point it is illegal, even if you do erase the disk immediately. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 4:37:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's BS ! They are selling software without a license. Alrighty then; thanks. That must be the most broken law in the world then, because I rarely see a computer on Ebay or anywhere else that has no software. Unless it is in parts or missing the hard drive. xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo It probably is one of the most broken laws but don't connect eBay with legality. eBay lets lots of things go on that are not legal. Macs can have an OS without the CD's but it should be the original OS that came with the Mac. And somebody somewhere probably has the original CD's too which should go with that Mac. There are not that many lost or destroyed install CD's. School and corporate sales regularly sell computers with the hard drives wiped clean and no install CD's which is why some have no OS installed. Technically I could buy one and install an OS from one of my CD's and if it is what came on the Mac I am not violating my single user license on my install CD because the Mac had a license when sold for that OS. But if I install Tiger on more than one Mac in my home with a single user license I am violating the user agreement. I do it, and a lot of people do it but it is still violates the user agreement. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
On 12/9/05, Tom Ethen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is completely against ebay policy and you may be setting yourself up for a problem without the protection (such as it is) of dealing through ebay. Tom I would file a complaint with eBay, but don't expect much to come from it. I had a seller repeatedly threaten me through eBay's messaging system and I filed a complaint but kept getting a form response from eBay asking for copies of the offending email including the header. Duh I responded 3 times that it was not email, but their own messaging system. I finally gave up after a while when I realized eBay does not care. This was all over the fact he was selling a G4 with Tiger and all the Adobe apps loaded so I asked him if the CD's were included because I wanted to bid on it since he was local. He responded that he would make copies of the OS and Adobe CD's for me. That's all I needed to let him know what I thought and he got a little po'd. Since he was a local seller and I had hoped he would find my address through eBay and show up at my house but he never did.. I'd have a shiney new dual-core G5 right now if he did. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On 12/9/05, Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for software piracy who've claimed they didn't know it was wrong. That defense rarely works. Why don't we start with one story? I've never, ever heard of a computer company coming after a user who sold his laptop with an OS on it. I know people get busted for duplicating software and then selling it, but a home user selling his computer getting hunted down by the police? I don't think so. Tom -- My wife makes itty bitty horse tack http://www.darkstormstudio.com http://editor.weeklyzone.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 4:28 PM -0500 12/09/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. There is no legal obligation to include the original media with the computer. The original OS license is tied to the computer hardware. Failing to include the media is kosher. BUT then using that media on another computer is a license violation and copyright infringement. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. I don't know about it being an indicator of anyone's honesty or not; what about situations where individuals are selling their personal laptops after being upgraded? Doesn't the act of piracy require some requisite mental state? Nothing mental about it. Well, except maybe the dope-induced IQ of the legislators that wrote the DMCA. Also, doesn't the frequently seen Buyer must erase drive after reviewing OS pretty much cover any loose ends? Original OS vs Upgraded by purchase/retail. It's ok for the original OS to be on the computer forever, regardless of where the media ends up. If the computer has an upgraded OS then that OS' media (and, technically, a letter from the seller to the buyer transferring the license) should be included with the computer. If it's not, then the copy of the OS on the computer is illegal and should have been wiped before it left the seller's posession. There is no such thing as reviewing the OS being legit, ever. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 4:41 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, john ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. And if you sell a Mac with one of those installs it should include a license transfer with it and you will have one less license. The vast majority of eBay sellers do not buy multi-licenses. I don't beleive you can break up a family-pack license that way. The point of the discount is that the licensees are all part of your household. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 4:43 PM -0500 12/09/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That must be the most broken law in the world then, because I rarely see a computer on Ebay or anywhere else that has no software. ya. Same. A widely abused reading of the fair use clause. Unless it is in parts or missing the hard drive. I got some nice corporate financial records on some JAZ disks I bought last year... heheheh - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Gmail Gbooks - (was: Re: Ron - Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question)
On 12/9/05, BGbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Van, when I first heard of gmail sometime back I got excited about it and tried to sign up but at the time it said I didn't have the correct-something... maybe it was browser, can't remember now. I'm using the highest IE there is for OS9, so I'm stuck until I move up to OSX. So I checked again just now and it says something about by invite only...? Try Wacom Mozilla, it works fine with OS 9 and gmail: http://www.wamcom.org/ And you can get rid of Internet Exploiter hopefully ! Wamcom Mozilla handles a lot of the new sites too but you may still need Exploiter for site like Bank sites. Another alternative is iCab: http://www.icab.de A few days ago I saw two authors on TV who had written books about google... The Search and I think the other was Google Company. Maybe it's the same for all search engine companies, but the one man said google stores every single search done by every single person on the planet which, google says, is so they can come up with better services, etc., but this author said it could also be used, for instance, in divorce cases where a spouse could get all the search info on their partner, etc., so he didn't think it was a good thing. Wow, big switch. I've never used any yahoo accounts I ever made either. They almost make you have one just to use their other services, but it's a waste of space. LOL, that's the only reason I have one too. So what if they are saving all my searches, lol, I'm probably already considered a domestic terrorist (=by having politically incorrect opinions). Gail I'm sure you'll be in good company on those lists ! I'm on all the lists. I'd rather be politically incorrect any day. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 4:54 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: It probably is one of the most broken laws but don't connect eBay with legality. eBay lets lots of things go on that are not legal. eBay is like a common carrier. The provide a venue, not legal responsibility for the goods sold[*]. It is simply impossible to police every auction, given the fees they charge. Protecting that open venue status is why eBay doesn't try to peruse auctions on their own, for legal violations. Same reason your phone company can't be held liable because you used their lines to plan a crime... [*] There are exceptions to this. eg: In Germany it's illegal to sell certain WWII-related goods (trying to pre-avoid spam filter here), authentic or replica or new. And if eBay lets anyone, they can be held liable. Likewise with various state weapons laws... School and corporate sales regularly sell computers with the hard drives wiped clean and no install CD's which is why some have no OS installed. Technically I could buy one and install an OS from one of my CD's and if it is what came on the Mac I am not violating my single user license on my install CD because the Mac had a license when sold for that OS. Right. Media vs License. Two totally separate entities. But if I install Tiger on more than one Mac in my home with a single user license I am violating the user agreement. Only company I ever saw handle all this correctly was Digital. You bought a license for each CPU then you separately bought the media. You could use the media on as many computers as you wanted - as long as they each had a license. By making them two separate purchasable items, it made us track things better. I do it, and a lot of people do it but it is still violates the user agreement. sh. :) - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4:41 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, john ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. And if you sell a Mac with one of those installs it should include a license transfer with it and you will have one less license. The vast majority of eBay sellers do not buy multi-licenses. I don't beleive you can break up a family-pack license that way. The point of the discount is that the licensees are all part of your household. - Dan. Probably not on the Family packs because Apple would loose money that way. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
Tom Ethen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 4:48 PM This is completely against ebay policy and you may be setting yourself up for a problem without the protection (such as it is) of dealing through ebay. Tom Thanks, I thought it was odd for hm to contact me that way, too. His G3 auction just ended and don't worry, I wasn't going for it... too many suspicious things with that guy. Somebody got a pretty 'good deal' though (IF Mr. French is for real and follows through): $391 for a G3-500mhz, 384mg, 55gig, Combo, Tiger, 12. Besides the Tiger, it was that 55gig that really turned me on, lol -- would never run out of space ever again! ;-) /Gail --- On 12/9/05 3:10 PM, Krow Magnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The G3/500mhz/55gig/384ram/Tiger guy actually sent me an ebay message asking if I wanted to look at his ebay item, and he listed the item #. When I asked how he knew I was even looking, he never gave an answer (I assumed he saw my name in another bid) but I wondered how cool was it for him to contact people like that who have bid on other items? I dunno, since I'm not an experienced ebay'er, maybe that's the norm and is no big deal. Then it turns out he's French but the item is in TX, and since his English (or maybe just his typing) is choppy, he doesn't write complete answers. So that was making me nervous even though his is a good-sounding-deal, too. So Yes, indeed, beware. Thanks! Gail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question
Krow Magnum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 4:33 PM The advise I always give is spend as much as you can afford. I can't imagine 800MHz as only being adequate for Tiger. My 466 Clam does just fine with surfing, email and ebaying. My 1.5GHz G4 Powerbook doesn't do those things that much faster. A 300MHz G3 iBook would be pushing it but an 800MHz G4 iBook will handle Tiger with no problems. That's great to know. The G3-500mhz was just sold (Mr. Frenchy), but the G4-800mhz with No-OS ends at 9pm and one person already did bid on it finally. Don't think I can stay awake 'til 9pm... iBooks are made for Light duty use and he's comparing it to something you would need a G4 Powerbook or G4/G5 Powermac for. Anyone using high-end graphics apps or video apps should not be using an iBook anyway. iBooks are for the home computer user and an 800MHz G4 has plenty of oomph for that. As mentioned 512MB or better RAM helps too. Awesome! Then that G4 is a good machine for Tiger. No video apps or high-end graphics here, mostly Text Text and more Text, lol, and a few pics now and then. Now that you have fast internet you can get on the wifi wagon too ! heehee, would love to be completely wireless! Mr. French's G3-500mhz actually had an airport card (if he is for real, that is), as most of them do not include the airport card. The main reason I have a Powerbook and iBook is because I can use wifi and lounge on the couch, in bed or out enjoying the weather. (I live in FL so it's nice enough to go outside in my shorts and iBook here) That's the only place I ever do computing is legs stretched out on the bed. Sat crouched over a desk for too many years on the job. So this is the only way to compute! As for outside, enjoy while you can as this is THE ONLY time of year that outside is even bearable. -- Also a native Floridian -- but can't take the 7-months of humidity-h***. Ugh! Caution though. it can make one turn into a couch potato ;-) -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ heehee, too late, already happened -- even WITH wires! /Gail On 12/9/05, BGbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you! The G4-800mhz they are selling has 640mb which the specs say is the max for that model. Of course the G3-300mhz clamshell I'm using now has the bare MINImum, 128. Will Tiger function okay on a G3/500mhz ibook? The Tiger page at apple.com says Tiger will work on any PowerPC G3-G4-G5 but one seller had said 800mhz would be better and another comment at amazon someone said 800mhz was even too slow for Tiger. It'll function okay but whether it's fast enough is a subjective opinion. I'd say that with max RAM a G3/500 iBook would be more than adequate for light duty use, but if you do more than basic stuff you'll be much happier with at least a G4/800 iBook. Gene Osburn Common sense...isn't The G3-500mhz w/Tiger is the second item I was looking at, at ebay (in addition to looking at the G4-800mhz w/o OS). I guess I do basic stuff because have never had a machine big/fast enough to do much else, and only recently got high-speed cable and before that, a total bear to even visit ebay at all. The G3-500mhz has 384mb ram and a whopping 55gig HD. Which is all good if the 500mhz would work OK w/Tiger but since that's what he has on it, maybe it works fine. Thanks Gene! Gail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 5:07 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Tom W. wrote: On 12/9/05, Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for software piracy who've claimed they didn't know it was wrong. That defense rarely works. Why don't we start with one story? I've never, ever heard of a computer company coming after a user who sold his laptop with an OS on it. I know people get busted for duplicating software and then selling it, but a home user selling his computer getting hunted down by the police? I don't think so. Microsloth's hired / authorized copyright police have eBay terminate auctions regularly, regardless of who the seller is. But I don't think they push for fines and such against private individuals. Then there's the BSA, ?Business Software Association? The international copyright police that are employeed by the likes of MS. They go into companys and nail them for infringement. Then they check the employees homes to see if what they've copied... Big fines they collect! I don't recall hearing of a private seller getting busted for shipping a computer with an Apple OS on it... - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
On 12/9/05, BGbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Ethen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/9/05 4:48 PM This is completely against ebay policy and you may be setting yourself up for a problem without the protection (such as it is) of dealing through ebay. Tom Thanks, I thought it was odd for hm to contact me that way, too. His G3 auction just ended and don't worry, I wasn't going for it... too many suspicious things with that guy. Somebody got a pretty 'good deal' though (IF Mr. French is for real and follows through): $391 for a G3-500mhz, 384mg, 55gig, Combo, Tiger, 12. Besides the Tiger, it was that 55gig that really turned me on, lol -- would never run out of space ever again! ;-) /Gail There are not many good deals on eBay. There is a reason auctions end with a low price. For the same reason you didn't bid, there was probably something fishy there. You say 55GB will be enough ? LOL. wait till you have that much storage. You'll find a way to fill it. I used to think 4GB would be nirvana Now I'm thinking a couple of new 250GB drives would be enough for me. I only have an internal 80GB and a Firewire 120GB right now and that's not enough. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
In a message dated 12/9/05 5:07:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He responded that he would make copies of the OS and Adobe CD's for me. That's all I needed to let him know what I thought and he got a little po'd. Yeah, I guess most folks out there are not as diligent as you when it comes to citizen-software-piracy enforcement. Me? I would have just moved onto another seller without the piracy lesson. xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 5:07:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He responded that he would make copies of the OS and Adobe CD's for me. That's all I needed to let him know what I thought and he got a little po'd. Yeah, I guess most folks out there are not as diligent as you when it comes to citizen-software-piracy enforcement. Me? I would have just moved onto another seller without the piracy lesson. Life is a lesson.. and I'm not as generous at overlooking and forgiving (ignoring) as you are. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
In a message dated 12/9/05 5:46:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Life is a lesson.. and I'm not as generous at overlooking and forgiving (ignoring) as you are. Well, it was more ignorance on my part of the entire issue, rather than just being passive or apathetic. But I am sure MS and Apple would be just as anxious to protect YOUR property rights as well(?). (THAT was cheap!) Anyway, I hear you; thanks for the info! I will definitely be more aware of this issue in the future. xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ron/ibooks ebay (was: Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS)
On 12/9/05, BGbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The G3-French guy, when I first replied to his first message (both of us using the ebay message center), I got an automated reply from a US Air Force email account which had English and French wording and his name. So I thought that was a good thing if he was in the military. But when I asked Mr. G3 in the next ebay message if he was in the military, he wrote that No, he was not, but he had access to that Air Force email account. Now THAT, I thought, was also really strange! ... unless he is dating some Air Force lady! ;-) BTW, he's also a 0 feedback person, a brand newbie on ebay, but then so am I so didn't want to hold that one thing against him. It's getting realy fishy now And I would never make a large purchase from someone on eBay 0 feedback. Everyone has to start somewhere but that would be a risky thing to do for very much money. And CC-Paypal payments are covered but we all (consumers) end up paying the cost in the long run. Only Paypal and the theives make money. Paypal will still charge you a fee to give your money back. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Samsung mobile phone driver??
Verizon Wireless has recently started supporting Mac internet access via its cell phones with a USB data cable (called Mobile Office kit) or high speed connections with a specific (Kyocera) PCMCIA card. Well it turns out they don't have any driver for the Macs for the USB connection and will only support the expensive PCMCIA high-speed connection. The Quick to Net USB solution allows many people like myself to connect after 9 and weekends for free with no airtime charges. PCers get this service. The only reason it doesn't work on my Lombard is that it won't recognize the phone as a modem correctly. I attempted to use the OS X10.3.2 built-in drivers and got the phone to connect with the 3Com Impact Analog 14.4 driver but the verification (username and password) fails. Has anyone succeded with connecting a Samsung a650 cell phone to Verizons ISP service? Any driver suggestions or otherwise? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 5:46:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Life is a lesson.. and I'm not as generous at overlooking and forgiving (ignoring) as you are. Well, it was more ignorance on my part of the entire issue, rather than just being passive or apathetic. But I am sure MS and Apple would be just as anxious to protect YOUR property rights as well(?). (THAT was cheap!) Anyway, I hear you; thanks for the info! I will definitely be more aware of this issue in the future. xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo -- I was protecting my rights and voicing my opinion which is also my right and I'm good at it ;-) ebay has a policy about not allowing pirated software but they do not police it because they are not liable because of the agreement when you sign up. Not being liable does not make one completely innocent in the matter it just keeps them out of civil court. The Phone company analogy doesn't work because they have no control over what you say or do until it is said or done. eBay has complete control over what is posted for sale or auction but they don't care enough to spend the time and money to make sure people are doing the right thing. Until someone complains loud enough and it may make them look bad.. I could honestly care less if Apple does anything to protect their own rights. That's their problem to deal with and they should but they don't want to spend the money on it. MS spends plenty on anti-piracy issues and because of their business practices people have less consideration for MS than Apple. Plus MS has much more licenses than Apple so it costs them a lot more money. And I would never expect anyone but myself to protect my rights, especially not MS, Apple or the US govt. (I just made it on another list with that one) -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ron/ibooks ebay (was: Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS)
LOL yeah right they recovered 97 cents on a purchase of $56.00 for me. Basically they said sorry that is all we could get case closed. Richard On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:54 PM, Krow Magnum wrote: And CC-Paypal payments are covered but we all (consumers) end up paying the cost in the long run. Only Paypal and the theives make money. Paypal will still charge you a fee to give your money back. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS
LMAO... On Dec 10, 2005, at 12:10 AM, Krow Magnum wrote: And I would never expect anyone but myself to protect my rights, especially not MS, Apple or the US govt. (I just made it on another list with that one) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Panther on Lombard 400
Hi, I've got an OS X Panther install disc that came with a Mac mini, and I can't get my Lombard to boot from the DVD. It says install disc, but the Lombard won't even mount it. If this will help, the Lombard is currently running OS X Jaguar with 192 MB of RAM, the 6 GB Hard Drive and it's got the LG DVD-ROM drive. Thanks, Caleb -- PowerBook 190 PowerBook G3 Lombard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: gmail
On 12/9/05, Krow Magnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a Yahoo account for years but rarely used it and I use Gmail exclusively now. I don't use my ISP email at all because Gmail is so much easier. I've used Gmail for a couple of years almost and have used 7% of my storage space and I could have thrown away a bunch more but I keep an archive of this list and 3 others. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ I couldn't agree more. Gmail has made me give up using my pop mail accounts. It's well laid out, and I hope they continue to offer more of the yahoo type services like groups and lists and webspace. Do any other web based e-mails offer the threaded e-mails that gmail offers? Thanks Tom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: any requirement for OSX on first 8gb on a Pismo?
On Friday, Dec 9, 2005, at 07:24 America/Chicago, chris wrote: Can anyone tell me if OSX 10.4 must be installed on the first 8 gb of a hard drive on a Pismo? I recently upgraded my Pismo's drive to a 60 GB drive and I cloned my 10.3 install to that drive. I did not partition the drive in any way and all works just fine, so I'd have to guess that no, there is no 8 GB limit on the Pismo (not like the way the 1st gen iMac needs OS X in a partition that does not exceed the first 8 GB. The reason that all the PowerBooks after the Wallstreet II have the New World 4 MB ROM. The 1G iMac and the pre-Lombard 'Books have the Old World ROM. The Pismo doesn't have the first 8 GB limitation because of this. This should clarify things some. Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Gmail Gbooks - (was: Re: Ron - Re: THANK YOU ALL! - Re: G4-iBook w/o OS - Question)
I'm sure you'll be in good company on those lists ! I'm on all the lists. I'd rather be politically incorrect any day. I do agree with you. Back on topic, I'm using Gmail with the POP3 turned on, with Mail on my Lombard, and I find it's a lot faster than the webmail, plus it has the beauty of the Mac to go with it.. :D Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Gmail Gbooks
I've never used webmail either... too cumbersome, too slow (or at least it WAS). Who wants to have to go log on the net just to get into your email? I had a Yahoo account for years but rarely used it and I use Gmail exclusively now. I don't use my ISP email at all because Gmail is so much easier. Wow, now THAT I would have to see and experience! ;-) I've used Gmail as my only email account for nearly a year now; and to think I had to be talked into it by a friend because of my dislike of webmail I use their POP service, which means a copy goes directly to my desktop email client (OS X Mail) and I still have everything on their servers if I wanna search for anything in particular. I can still check via webmail when I'm on the move and using my PowerBook -- love that flexibility! I've used Gmail for a couple of years almost and have used 7% of my storage space and I could have thrown away a bunch more but I keep an archive of this list and 3 others. That's amazing... I may have to give it a test run with one of my lesser accounts and see how it feels. Lemme know if you want an invite. Gene Osburn I can't brag about the shape I'm in - I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin; but don't ask me what I think of you - I might not give the answers that you want me to. Oh well -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Gmail Gbooks
There's a really good gmail widget I use on my PB too under tiger (see? That's keeping it on the list's discussion protocol. :)) Forget the name off the top of my head (on a different machine at the moment)--looks like a british postal stamp, actually tells you how many emails you have waiting for you, and signs you on to your account. Gmail is almost as good as Toast--the bread kind. :) Later..Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Airport Card doesn't show up
I believe I have been remiss in my duty to thank everyone that responded to the above query. So with that in mind I just wanted to say thank you each and everyone who offered advise suggestions or information in my quest to get a pcmcia wifi card working on my 400mhz Lombard. I ended up downloading the IOexpert driver and trial running it and now I will buy it or register it. It was the only one that worked. I downloaded quite a few other drivers, but none worked except the IOexpert one. Thanks again. Brad -- Brad 55417-1734 Pwr Mac G4 64 MB Radeon 7000 AGP Gtaphics OWC Mercury Extreme 1GHZ CPU Upgrade 1.12GB Ram 9GB Quantum Fireball/ OS 9.2.2 WDC 80GB/ OS X.3.9 Pioneer DVR 105 Pwr Mac G3 BW 64MB Radeon 7000 PCI Graphics card 450MHZ CPU 1gb ram 120 gb Maxtor DiamondMaxPlus X.3.9/80gb Hitachi Deskstar Sata harddrive X.4/ 40gb Maxtor DiamondMax ATA hard drive/9.2.2 Seritek SATA Controller card/Pioneer DVR 105 OS X.3.9/ Lexmark X1185 all- in- one printer Powerbook 3400c 200MHZ, 144MB ram, 2gig harddrive, OS 9.1, modules; floppy, cd-rom, zip drive If it's good to you, it's good for you -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
Hi, Listers! It is permisible by the eBay rules, to contact you about a similar item being auctioned in eBay. It is NOT permisible to contact you to offer you a similar item by-passing eBay, (a private sale). It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do not specify that the OS should be the original one for the computer. It is NOT permisible to include other software, like M$ Office, Adobe Photoshop, etc., if you advertise it, your auction will be cancelled, even if you include the erase disk clause. In more than a thousand eBay transactions, only ONCE did the seller sent me a letter transferring something to me. Really, he included the disks and a letter of transfer. Only one guy, in more than 300 computers and programs bought through eBay And an interesting story: I bought a Duo 230 some years ago, that included ALL the e-mail that this gal in a famous university ever sent. I'm seriously considering writing a novel based on this gal's VERY interesting love life, plus all the problems she had trying to adapt to the big university environment. It was very interesting reading, and made me a fanatic of the wipe every HD and re-install everything before selling it. Problem is, English is a second language to me, so I'm sure I would not do justice to the material. :-) Best regards. Hugo Diaz -- The only thing we knew for sure about Henry Porter is that his name wasn't Henry Porter Bob Dylan, Brownsville Girl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
On 12/9/05, macnifico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Listers! It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do not specify that the OS should be the original one for the computer. Where did you find that ? The original OS is a license issue, not an ebay issue. If the OS license is not being sold it is a copyright violation. As far as I know it's still a violation of the OS user agreement and ebay is specific about copyright infringement. There are too many different OS company and licenses for them to make one rule about OS's. It is NOT permisible to include other software, like M$ Office, Adobe Photoshop, etc., if you advertise it, your auction will be cancelled, even if you include the erase disk clause. This is the only thing I could find that specifically deals with software not allowed: Software loaded onto a hard drive that is not being sold with the original media (disks, manuals, etc.) Only occasionally do I see any CD's or DVD's included with computers. eBay does not really care that much and expect the members to police it and inform them of violations. But good luck getting anything done even if you can find where to file a complaint and file one. The erase disk clause is a joke.. Everyone knows what that means. In more than a thousand eBay transactions, only ONCE did the seller sent me a letter transferring something to me. Really, he included the disks and a letter of transfer. Only one guy, in more than 300 computers and programs bought through eBay Best regards. Hugo Diaz All of this is irrelevant anyway because you can put a Mac G3 or g4 on eBay any day of the week loaded with OS X Panther or Tiger, Adobe, Quark, etc. with no disks and it will not be cancelled. I see it all the time and have filed complaints when they use the apps as a selling point. Not one auction has been closed due to my complaints. The problem I have with it is i get tired of telling people that they didn't buy the Operating System and/or application they thought they bought. When there is a problem and or a boot disk is needed they are screwed. Most of those people bought Macs with current OS's and not what was original for the Mac. Many times they buy the Mac specifically for the software loaded. What happens when the hard drive dies ? They die all the time.. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Lombard Drive Upgrades
Hi, Sorry for the stupid post, but what hard drives are recommended for upgrading a Lombard? I'm asking, because I'm quickly realizing the limitations of the stock 6GB drive. Namely, my iTunes collection that I'm moving over from my Windoze machine takes up a good 1.2 GB and I only had 3 GB to work with when I got it, thanks to the Classic environment. Plus, I don't want to get rid of OS 9.2 because of the DVD capabilities. Is it possible to use a USB enclosure to copy the contents of the current drive to a new one, before swapping them out? Any help will be appreciated, Caleb -- PowerBook G3 Lombard, OS X Jaguar/9.2, 192 MB RAM, 6 GB HD - Work in Progress PowerBook 190 Greyscale, OS 7.5.3, 24 MB RAM, 500 MB HD - Fence Hopper/Barnstormer -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 5:07 PM -0500 12/9/05, Tom W. wrote: On 12/9/05, Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for software piracy who've claimed they didn't know it was wrong. That defense rarely works. Why don't we start with one story? I've never, ever heard of a computer company coming after a user who sold his laptop with an OS on it. I know people get busted for duplicating software and then selling it, but a home user selling his computer getting hunted down by the police? I don't think so. Ah, the old it's only illegal if you get caught plan! -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Pismo DVD/CD-RW drive
chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I'll pick up a drive off ebay from a Dell or similar and get it installed in my Pismo. Why bother with eBay when new superdrives are available from regular retail channels for (usually) less than going eBay prices? zipzoomfly has the Pioneer DVR-K05 for under US$90. http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=171021 BTW, here's my page on Lombard/Pismo expansion bay optical drive swaps: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/macdan/PB_99_2K_EBM_sled.html dan k . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
Every Mac sold has some OS shipped with it and it is legal to sell it with the same OS on the computer it shipped with. Tom On 12/9/05 10:35 PM, Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we start with one story? I've never, ever heard of a computer company coming after a user who sold his laptop with an OS on it. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Buyer Protection (was iBooks eBay)
That's why you should always pay with a credit card. Paypal may come through, but they will laways take forever. Though they are getting better (due to vociferous public complaint) a sure way to insure yourself is to ALWAYS use your credit card. If someone WON'T take a credit card payment, it is not unlikely that he or she have dealt with reversed credit card payments before, i.e. cheated someone and was caught--often not a good sign. By using a credit card that offers buyer protection, you are covered--fully. I have been reimbursed fully in three bad deals totalling over 2k in value in the past year. Despite ...we all (consumers) end up paying the cost in the long run... I am glad there is a full protection plan available. USPS may or may not come through, they are often as lackadaisical as Paypal--USPS Money Orders or no. From: Richard Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ron/ibooks ebay (was: Re: John-Re: G4-iBook w/o OS) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:15:07 +0100 LOL yeah right they recovered 97 cents on a purchase of $56.00 for me. Basically they said sorry that is all we could get case closed. Richard On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:54 PM, Krow Magnum wrote: And CC-Paypal payments are covered but we all (consumers) end up paying the cost in the long run. Only Paypal and the theives make money. Paypal will still charge you a fee to give your money back. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ti parts interchangability
Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: I have an original 400Mhz Tibook with a dimming screen and a cracked upper case. I have the display and case from an otherwise dead and stripped DVI TiBook, will they work on the older one? The lower cases are completely different, you're not going to easily stuff a 400 MLB into a DVI top plate. Also, remember the rez differs between the generations, the 1152x 400 MLB cannot properly drive the 1280x display. sorry :-\ You've got some usable parts there, but you're gonna have to wait for some more bits to arrive in your junk bin before you've got a usable TiBook. dan k . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: iBook Logic Board extended repair program x2?
Hmmmph! How timely. First off, let me say that I am having the same problem with my G4 iBook, which, of course, Apple refuses to admit there is a problem with so they won't extend the warranty on those boards... But more on to your subject; my neighbor has a 12 G3 iBook which had it's first logic board die about 6 months ago. It was replaced when she took it to an Apple store and they shipped it out for repair. It came back with a cracked case plastic just above the trackpad and another cracked plastic around the LCD. I told her to complain... she didn't. Two weeks ago, it died again. She took it in and it just came back tonight... I took it apart to add a 512MB Ram module for her and found a broken piece of case plastic floating around under the keyboard... nice. Then I noticed that the Num Lock LCD on the keyboard was mashed over under the num lock key... also nice. I fixed the keyboard and removed the case plastic piece. After firing the machine up for about 30 seconds, it immediately began exhibiting the symptoms of a bad logic board again... the more we rebooted and the longer it ran, the worse it got. I think it's completely disgusting. There is no way they could have tested that machine for any length of time after they replaced the logic board. If this problem is still persisting even after they've admitted a problem, why have they not fixed the problem on the boards that are out there so it doesn't continue? I could rant on and on about this. The past few years, Apple hardware has gone right down the tubes. I still have a COlor Classic, SE30, PB3400, PowerMac 7300, and Wallstreet which are all running flawlessly with never any problems. I can't seem to keep new iBooks running for longer than 6 months to a year though... G3 or G4. I like the machine, and I will keep using it, but I back up VERY frequently and trust it about as far as I can throw it. Apple has left a very bad taste in my mouth. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
At 9:30 PM -0600 12/09/2005, macnifico wrote: In more than a thousand eBay transactions, only ONCE did the seller sent me a letter transferring something to me. Really, he included the disks and a letter of transfer. Only one guy, in more than 300 computers and programs bought through eBay So many people don't realize they should include them. I request them for every software item I buy - and I get them. Never had anyone complain about it either. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
At 11:22 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, macnifico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do not specify that the OS should be the original one for the computer. Where did you find that ? The original OS is a license issue, not an ebay issue. If the OS license is not being sold it is a copyright violation. Pardon? All Macs are licensed for their original OS. Period. You cannot sell them without the license going with it. Most PCs are licensed for their original copy of Windows. Likewise, you cannot sell them without the license going with it. IOW, there is no concept of not being sold with for that original license. All of this is irrelevant anyway because you can put a Mac G3 or g4 on eBay any day of the week loaded with OS X Panther or Tiger, Adobe, Quark, etc. with no disks and it will not be cancelled. Not true. Adobe and MS (to take two examples I've been hit with) have both hired copyright police companies to watch eBay. If you offer computers containing their products and no media license, there is a good chance the auctions will be canceled. And if you do it repeatedly, besides eBay suspension, you'll get a nice registered letter from the copyright holder's lawyers. :\ I see it all the time and have filed complaints when they use the apps as a selling point. Not one auction has been closed due to my complaints. As appropriate. It's not your copyright, therefore you have no legal standing to interfere with the auction. IOW, when you see an infringing auction, it's nice to report it to eBay - but you really need to report it to the copyright owner or their legal agent if you expect any action to be taken. See eBay's help area for information on their Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) program. aka the copyright police authorization rules. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 8:35 PM -0800 12/09/2005, Clark Martin wrote: At 5:07 PM -0500 12/9/05, Tom W. wrote: I know people get busted for duplicating software and then selling it, but a home user selling his computer getting hunted down by the police? I don't think so. Ah, the old it's only illegal if you get caught plan! The NJ state senate is trying to change the rules regarding cell phone usage in cars. Right now it's a secondary offence here -- you can only get nailed if you're stopped for something else. They want to make it a primary offence. I want to know where instant messaging falls into all this! I've got a friend that sits his powerbook on the front seat, connected to the 'net via a bluetooth cell phone. He isn't holding it up to his ear, so he calls it hands free ... except when he's looking down at it to read incoming msgs then type responses - while driving. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Samsung mobile phone driver??
At 6:07 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Stephen Peterson wrote: Verizon Wireless has recently started supporting Mac internet access via its cell phones with a USB data cable (called Mobile Office kit) or high speed connections support heh. This has worked for several years now. The techs just weren't allowed to yammer it too loudly. with a specific (Kyocera) PCMCIA card. Lame. Well it turns out they don't have any driver for the Macs for the USB connection and will only support the expensive PCMCIA high-speed connection. The Quick to Net USB solution allows many people like myself to connect after 9 and weekends for free with no airtime charges. PCers get this service. The only reason it doesn't work on my Lombard is that it won't recognize the phone as a modem correctly. I attempted to use the OS X10.3.2 built-in drivers and got the phone to connect with the 3Com Impact Analog 14.4 driver but the verification (username and password) fails. Has anyone succeded with connecting a Samsung a650 cell phone to Verizons ISP service? Any driver suggestions or otherwise? I donno about Samsung phones in particular, but Verizon in general... Their network is set up for the higher speed access. The slower free Q2N service is done over the same network but with a limited DCE speed. Authorization fails because the network dynamically steps the DCE speed down right after you tell it the username qnc. At that point, your modem hasn't stepped down, so further communication fails. The trick is that you have to tell your phone to shift down to the lower speed (14.4 Kbps) *before* connecting to their network. That way, when the network adjusts the speed, the modem is already there! On a PC, Verizon's software does this using some funky codes sent to the cell phone over that USB link. That software also resets the phone after the call. On a Mac... Well, we don't have that sophisticated driver capability. Best we can do is send a few simple AT commands to the phone's modem (via the modem driver scripts). So you fix the speed match problem by using the phone's secret tech support/diagnostic/service menu and permanently (until manually changed) lock the DTE/DCE speed to 14.4/14.4. After doing the above change to our Nokia phones, we're able to use Panther's Verizon Support (PC 5220) script quite reliably. HTH, - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Panther on Lombard 400
on 09/12/05 18:41, Caleb Cupples at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've got an OS X Panther install disc that came with a Mac mini, and I can't get my Lombard to boot from the DVD. It says install disc, but the Lombard won't even mount it. If this will help, the Lombard is currently running OS X Jaguar with 192 MB of RAM, the 6 GB Hard Drive and it's got the LG DVD-ROM drive. That's because Apple puts some kind of protection on the CD and DVDs that they provide with a new Mac. Said CD or DVD will only boot the specific model you purchased. You need to buy the full retail release which doesn't have this limitation. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] hack attack: n. [poss. by analogy with `Big Mac Attack' from ads for the McDonald's fast-food chain; the variant `big hack attack' is reported] Nearly synonymous with hacking run, though the latter more strongly implies an all-nighter. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On Dec 9, 2005, at 5:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4:41 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, john ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. And if you sell a Mac with one of those installs it should include a license transfer with it and you will have one less license. The vast majority of eBay sellers do not buy multi-licenses. I don't beleive you can break up a family-pack license that way. The point of the discount is that the licensees are all part of your household. Correct: Search http://store.apple.com/ for 'MA191' such as http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore?productLearnMore=MA191 Family Pack Software License Agreement allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple- labeled computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household and used by persons who occupy that same household. By household we mean a person or persons who share the same housing unit such as a home, apartment, mobile home or condominium, but shall also extend to student members who are primary residents of that household but residing at a separate on-campus location. This license does not extend to business or commercial users. i.e. you can buy it for your family and your kids in college, but you can't buy a family pack for the office and use it on your home computer or sell any of the other 4 on eBay. TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
