Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On 1/1/05 12:15 PM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 12, in contrast, is so small that even if the passenger in front of me reclines, I won't have my screen crunched. That, and of course I still have room on my tray table, as opposed to bleeding over into another person's space. The 15 isn't that bad, but it still can't touch the 12 for portability and light weight. Of course, the 12 is such a delight to type on that I've never wished for anything larger for that purpose. I have the 15 and even if the person in front of me reclines, I can still usually use it but just have to pull it forward somewhat. I disagree with the portability - true it is heavier and slightly bigger but it's still not a big deal to carry it around. The tiny 12 screen is just too small for me to be practical for any of my uses - including Photoshop and Illustrator. My friend has a 12 and I can't stand typing on it - the screen is just too small and I am used to the extra space in front of the keyboard on my 15. However, I do also use my PB as my primary computer. If it was a secondary computer, I might have gone with the 12. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Andrew F. wrote: Bigger hard drive is always easy, and 1.33 vs 1.22GHz should be unnooticeable. I dimly recall that there's an issue concerning the ratio of the cpu and bus speeds? IE, wasted cycles waiting for alignment/synchronization. If true, the effect of a slightly increased cpu *with a related* increase in bus speed may make a more dramatic change than the numbers above suggest. My 12 Powerbook 1GHz has 2 2/3 the storage and more speed from the upgrade to an 80GB 5400RPM TravelStar, in an even smaller and lighter package. On 1/1/05 3:35 AM, Tim Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about twice the storage capacity and a 1.33 gig processor as opposed to a 1.2? On 12/31/04 8:30 PM, MTH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't gain any screen real-estate by getting a 14 iBook, it has the same 1024 x 768 resolution that the 12 iBooks have. unless your eyesight is failing there isn't much advantage to the 14. -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better (off-topic)
What I'm waiting for is wearables to happen with floating 20 images in glasses. We've all been there with the Virtual Reality Craze of last decade... I still remember 16-page booklets containing just disclaimers of how these kind of glasses can damage your eyes/make you vomit/turn you into a serial killer, etc. Based on (commercial) state of the art I've seen last year, I'm not sure if the technology is gonna be ready any time soon. I suppose key chords is the only way to go to make that work. Not sure what you mean here, but it's very interesting for me (I'm an interaction designer). I presume you could still use voice commands (as ready for prime time as those goggles, I guess), mice/trackballs/trackpads shouldn't be a problem, and even keyboards for those gifted with touch typists skills? Maybe wearables never will compete with portables, just open up new avenues of usage. They really should be around the corner technically, but there most likely will be yet some time for any siginificant market demand. Not sure about the around the corner bit, although who knows what they're cooking in the research labs at this moment. But the whole idea of Augmented Realities is indeed too good not to be expected with held breath. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
I have an old MAC-SE. I'm going to put a handle on it and I already have a cover I can cut a hole in it so the handle comes through. Does anyone have any ideas on where I could find a battery for it? Claire Hart wrote: Personally, I bought my 12 to use as a true portable, a decision I have never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger laptops such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes. I actually saw some poor idiot's 17 PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the result was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch, followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a massive shelf of a computer in a confined space. I just have to say that this is the silliest story I have heard against 17 PBs. While my 17-er is sometimes too big for my needs (as mentioned in Digest #2068), it does NOT extend past the width of an airline seat! If the poor idiot / fool's massive PowerBook was reducing the width of the isle, it's because maybe he was balancing a scanner on his other leg! American Airlines, 737, coach = 17 seat width Continental, 737, economy = 17.2 seat width My 17 PowerBook is 15.5 wide when nothing is plugged in to either side --- 17 is the narrowest seat I could find in a quick random search at seatguru.com. No need to abuse your fellow listas by calling them names just because they have different opinions. Who's the fool for thinking that other people are going to believe this story? Claire -- Thanks - Greg Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thescannerguys.com 781-466-8400 HPG x1 781-466-8887 Fax Harvard Pinnacle Group, Corp. 235 Bear Hill Road, Suite 102 Waltham, MA 02451 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:17:25 -0500, Greg Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an old MAC-SE. I'm going to put a handle on it and I already have a cover I can cut a hole in it so the handle comes through. Does anyone have any ideas on where I could find a battery for it? A post about Macintosh SE on the G-Books List? You may wish to try the Vintage Macs or Compact Macs List. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Is this also true after the first year warrantee expires, while the machine is under AppleCare? Thanks, Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/1/05 9:29 AM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Bigger hard drive is always easy, and 1.33 vs 1.22GHz should be unnooticeable. My 12 Powerbook 1GHz has 2 2/3 the storage and more speed from the upgrade to an 80GB 5400RPM TravelStar, in an even smaller and lighter package. But if you didn't pay a premium and have Apple do it your warranty is now void. Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On 1/2/05 8:25 AM, Al Poulin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Is this also true after the first year warrantee expires, while the machine is under AppleCare? Yes. Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
How about twice the storage capacity and a 1.33 gig processor as opposed to a 1.2? On 12/31/04 8:30 PM, MTH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't gain any screen real-estate by getting a 14 iBook, it has the same 1024 x 768 resolution that the 12 iBooks have. unless your eyesight is failing there isn't much advantage to the 14. -- Exterminate all rational thought. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On Jan 1, 2005, at 5:35 AM, Tim Collier wrote: How about twice the storage capacity and a 1.33 gig processor as opposed to a 1.2? You can order a 12 with a larger hard drive and I don't think that I would notice any difference between 1.2GHz and 1.33Ghz. 700MHz iBook G3 640MB Ram OS 10.3.7 Laugha while you can monkeyboy. Dr. Lizardo(Bukaroo Bonzai) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
On Jan 1, 2005, at 1:20 AM, Andrew F. wrote: But a 4lb laptop is lighter still. Those who claim it makes no difference, just haven't tried it yet. Thye argument isn't whether there's a difference, but whether it's worth it *to you* - how much you move it around, how much you do with the screen real estate. I have a 17, drag it to a couple meetings a month plus to every room of the house, and I'd never give up my screen real estate. I can work on a full page of a landscape legal layout, plus have all its palettes open in Ragtime (something I do every week for our church bulletin), wherever I am - on the couch, at my parents', at my sister's, wherever. An external monitor just doesn't offer that! Though I wouldn't mind that for the (very) rare occasion that I actually work at a desk. :-) Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Bigger hard drive is always easy, and 1.33 vs 1.22GHz should be unnooticeable. My 12 Powerbook 1GHz has 2 2/3 the storage and more speed from the upgrade to an 80GB 5400RPM TravelStar, in an even smaller and lighter package. On 1/1/05 3:35 AM, Tim Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about twice the storage capacity and a 1.33 gig processor as opposed to a 1.2? On 12/31/04 8:30 PM, MTH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't gain any screen real-estate by getting a 14 iBook, it has the same 1024 x 768 resolution that the 12 iBooks have. unless your eyesight is failing there isn't much advantage to the 14. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
on 1/1/05 12:46 AM, MTH wrote: unless your eyesight is failing there isn't much advantage to the 14. If you have large or even medium size hands, you might find the 14 more comfortable for typing. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Why would that be, they have THE EXACT SAME KEYBOARD, the 14 just has more wasted space on each side of it. Andrew On 1/1/05 11:25 AM, Bryan Kattwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/1/05 12:46 AM, MTH wrote: unless your eyesight is failing there isn't much advantage to the 14. If you have large or even medium size hands, you might find the 14 more comfortable for typing. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Why would that be, they have THE EXACT SAME KEYBOARD, the 14 just has more wasted space on each side of it. From the standpoint of ergonomics, this space is far from being wasted... Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
How could a one inch slab of plastic alongside the keys be useful. My Pismo and 12 PowerBook have the same keybaord size, and the only ergonomic advantages to the Pismo are that the screen is higher and the text is larger. For touch typing, the 12 PowerBook is actually a far more comfortable machine to type on because its keys have much better action. Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, and that space has no ergonomic benefit. The deeper palmrest may have some benefit, but the difference is very minor. The only reason the 14 iBook and larger PowerBooks have space alongside their keyboards is because those large screens are much wider than the standard Apple laptop keyboards. Now if Apple used that space by fitting larger keys, or on the 17 PowerBook by including a full numeric keypad, that would be an ergonomic improvement. Andrew On 1/1/05 11:35 AM, Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would that be, they have THE EXACT SAME KEYBOARD, the 14 just has more wasted space on each side of it. From the standpoint of ergonomics, this space is far from being wasted... Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, and that space has no ergonomic benefit. The deeper palmrest may have some benefit, but the difference is very minor. That space has no ergonomic benefit indeed, but the corresponding space on the palmrest has. When you type, you shouldn't have your arms perpendicular to the space bar, but at a certain, comfortable angle. If your palmrest is not wide enough, this forces your arms to use a different angle (people tend to do that subconsciously), which translates to more chances of RSI in longer run. Now, I don't say that it's exactly the case with 12 vs. 14 iBook, but I presume it's the same situation with 12 vs. 15 PowerBook. I have a PowerBook 15 which is great, and I tried 12 once, but it was just much less comfortable, for the reason I outlined above. The only reason the 14 iBook and larger PowerBooks have space alongside their keyboards is because those large screens are much wider than the standard Apple laptop keyboards. Now if Apple used that space by fitting larger keys, or on the 17 PowerBook by including a full numeric keypad, that would be an ergonomic improvement. I seriously disagree here. As far as I see, the keys on Apple's laptops are roughly the same size as standalone keyboards, and I see nothing but trouble with bigger keys. With full numeric keyboard, you'd have to have your hands moved to the left most of the time (for the alphanumerical part), which is just bad for your posture, would probably necessitate moving trackpad to the left as well (bad aesthetics), and your left palmrest would be too narrow, as I mentioned above already. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
The 15 and 17 PowerBooks are much wider machines than the 12, but the 14 iBook and older 14 PowerBooks are not wide enough to get any benefit. Of course, to be wide enough to give some benefit (15 and 17 PB) makes the machine too wide to be used well as a portable, making it really a portable desktop. Personally, I bought my 12 to use as a true portable, a decision I have never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger laptops such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes. I actually saw some poor idiot's 17 PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the result was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch, followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a massive shelf of a computer in a confined space. The 12, in contrast, is so small that even if the passenger in front of me reclines, I won't have my screen crunched. That, and of course I still have room on my tray table, as opposed to bleeding over into another person's space. The 15 isn't that bad, but it still can't touch the 12 for portability and light weight. Of course, the 12 is such a delight to type on that I've never wished for anything larger for that purpose. Speaking of RSI, by the way, your hands shouldn't be touching the palmrest AT ALL, making a wider one of dubious benefit. The only time I can see a benefit of a large palmrest area is for sliding around a small optical mouse or as a surface to write rest your post-it pad on for writing real pen-and-paper notes. The 12, by the way, has a very generous palmrest and is an ergonomic delight, as far as laptops go with their low screens that force bent necks. Andrew On 1/1/05 11:58 AM, Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, and that space has no ergonomic benefit. The deeper palmrest may have some benefit, but the difference is very minor. That space has no ergonomic benefit indeed, but the corresponding space on the palmrest has. When you type, you shouldn't have your arms perpendicular to the space bar, but at a certain, comfortable angle. If your palmrest is not wide enough, this forces your arms to use a different angle (people tend to do that subconsciously), which translates to more chances of RSI in longer run. Now, I don't say that it's exactly the case with 12 vs. 14 iBook, but I presume it's the same situation with 12 vs. 15 PowerBook. I have a PowerBook 15 which is great, and I tried 12 once, but it was just much less comfortable, for the reason I outlined above. The only reason the 14 iBook and larger PowerBooks have space alongside their keyboards is because those large screens are much wider than the standard Apple laptop keyboards. Now if Apple used that space by fitting larger keys, or on the 17 PowerBook by including a full numeric keypad, that would be an ergonomic improvement. I seriously disagree here. As far as I see, the keys on Apple's laptops are roughly the same size as standalone keyboards, and I see nothing but trouble with bigger keys. With full numeric keyboard, you'd have to have your hands moved to the left most of the time (for the alphanumerical part), which is just bad for your posture, would probably necessitate moving trackpad to the left as well (bad aesthetics), and your left palmrest would be too narrow, as I mentioned above already. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Speaking of RSI, by the way, your hands shouldn't be touching the palmrest AT ALL, making a wider one of dubious benefit. Well, speaking of RSI, you shouldn't be typing at all, especially on a notebook. :) I have yet to see anyone who actually types WITHOUT their palms touching the palmrest, by the way. But to each their own, I guess, and seeing that this thread has once again moved to focus on the size of the whole unit, as opposed to keyboards and palmrests, I don't think there's any point to rehash it once again. Over and out. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Jan 1, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Andrew F. wrote: Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, Not true - I looked as I was reading your post, and that's EXACTLY where my hands were - the weight on the outsides of the palms along the pinky fingers, poised to move wherever on the keyboard I might wish. Very comfortable. (For me, of course, it's 2 on each side, since I have a 17.) And, On Jan 1, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Marcin Wichary wrote: That space has no ergonomic benefit indeed, but the corresponding space on the palmrest has. Actually, my pinkies was running up alongside the keyboard (esp. the right one, supporting the ring or middle finger poised over the delete key). Don't know how I'd be without that space, but I clearly use it quite a lot (now that I'm watching where my hands sit). Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On 1/1/05 9:29 AM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Bigger hard drive is always easy, and 1.33 vs 1.22GHz should be unnooticeable. My 12 Powerbook 1GHz has 2 2/3 the storage and more speed from the upgrade to an 80GB 5400RPM TravelStar, in an even smaller and lighter package. But if you didn't pay a premium and have Apple do it your warranty is now void. Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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I've used laptops larger an more bulky than my 14 on airplanes with no issues, although, airplane use doesn't matter much to me since I don't really travel like that these days. My 14, like i've said, goes nearly everywhere with me, and with no effort. I often hear people complain about how difficult it is to move and travel with such big and bulky computers. My experience has been that such people are either too lazy or too out of shape to realize how light and compact these laptops really are. I've tried smaller laptops, sure. Wanna know how I use that extra space on either side of the computer? To keep the thing on my lap. A 12 laptop slips around and is unstable in my lap unless i hunch myself in as though I were typing on some playing card. Using a 12 LAPTOP on my LAP is very uncomfortable. As for weight, one extra pound really isn't that much. Sure I COULD find a smaller laptop, but to be honest, I only have one bag in which my laptop does not fit well, and that's because it's the smallest gym bag I could find. The extra palm space does indeed come in handy, since I do use it to rest my palms often, whether it's proper typing or not. And, as surmised, it does come in handy for writing a note or post it. Brian On Jan 1, 2005, at 2:15 PM, Andrew F. wrote: The 15 and 17 PowerBooks are much wider machines than the 12, but the 14 iBook and older 14 PowerBooks are not wide enough to get any benefit. Of course, to be wide enough to give some benefit (15 and 17 PB) makes the machine too wide to be used well as a portable, making it really a portable desktop. Personally, I bought my 12 to use as a true portable, a decision I have never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger laptops such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes. I actually saw some poor idiot's 17 PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the result was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch, followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a massive shelf of a computer in a confined space. The 12, in contrast, is so small that even if the passenger in front of me reclines, I won't have my screen crunched. That, and of course I still have room on my tray table, as opposed to bleeding over into another person's space. The 15 isn't that bad, but it still can't touch the 12 for portability and light weight. Of course, the 12 is such a delight to type on that I've never wished for anything larger for that purpose. Speaking of RSI, by the way, your hands shouldn't be touching the palmrest AT ALL, making a wider one of dubious benefit. The only time I can see a benefit of a large palmrest area is for sliding around a small optical mouse or as a surface to write rest your post-it pad on for writing real pen-and-paper notes. The 12, by the way, has a very generous palmrest and is an ergonomic delight, as far as laptops go with their low screens that force bent necks. Andrew On 1/1/05 11:58 AM, Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, and that space has no ergonomic benefit. The deeper palmrest may have some benefit, but the difference is very minor. That space has no ergonomic benefit indeed, but the corresponding space on the palmrest has. When you type, you shouldn't have your arms perpendicular to the space bar, but at a certain, comfortable angle. If your palmrest is not wide enough, this forces your arms to use a different angle (people tend to do that subconsciously), which translates to more chances of RSI in longer run. Now, I don't say that it's exactly the case with 12 vs. 14 iBook, but I presume it's the same situation with 12 vs. 15 PowerBook. I have a PowerBook 15 which is great, and I tried 12 once, but it was just much less comfortable, for the reason I outlined above. The only reason the 14 iBook and larger PowerBooks have space alongside their keyboards is because those large screens are much wider than the standard Apple laptop keyboards. Now if Apple used that space by fitting larger keys, or on the 17 PowerBook by including a full numeric keypad, that would be an ergonomic improvement. I seriously disagree here. As far as I see, the keys on Apple's laptops are roughly the same size as standalone keyboards, and I see nothing but trouble with bigger keys. With full numeric keyboard, you'd have to have your hands moved to the left most of the time (for the alphanumerical part), which is just bad for your posture, would probably necessitate moving trackpad to the left as well (bad aesthetics), and your left palmrest would be too narrow, as I mentioned above already. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10
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Aren't there apple authorize tech out there that will do it for considerably cheaper? Brian On Jan 1, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: But if you didn't pay a premium and have Apple do it your warranty is now void. Kyle Hansen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On 1/1/05 1:15 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Aren't there apple authorize tech out there that will do it for considerably cheaper? Nope. All Apple laptop repair that is *in* warranty has to be done at one of 2 service centers. Dallas and Memphis. Memphis handles iBooks and older. Dallas handles Powerbooks. They can add RAM etc, but a Hard Drive will void your warranty. I used to manage a tech shop (just 8 months ago) and I am an Apple Certified Desktop and Portable technician. You can't even go into GSX (apple's online suite of ordering software and warranty history etc...) and order the parts. It errors out with a this part is for depot repair only please call blah blah blah... If someone tosses in a HD from an over the counter source like CompUSA then your warranty is now void. Apple Depot technicians are trained to look to see if you have been messing around inside your laptop or not when they start the repair at the depot. I have toured both facilities (as well as the parts facility in Elk Grove Ca.) and they have a system set up. The figure they gave us was that 20% of all incoming laptops were not repaired due to customer negligence or abuse. Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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That seems a little excessive, don't you think? Brian On Jan 1, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 1/1/05 1:15 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Aren't there apple authorize tech out there that will do it for considerably cheaper? Nope. All Apple laptop repair that is *in* warranty has to be done at one of 2 service centers. Dallas and Memphis. Memphis handles iBooks and older. Dallas handles Powerbooks. They can add RAM etc, but a Hard Drive will void your warranty. I used to manage a tech shop (just 8 months ago) and I am an Apple Certified Desktop and Portable technician. You can't even go into GSX (apple's online suite of ordering software and warranty history etc...) and order the parts. It errors out with a this part is for depot repair only please call blah blah blah... If someone tosses in a HD from an over the counter source like CompUSA then your warranty is now void. Apple Depot technicians are trained to look to see if you have been messing around inside your laptop or not when they start the repair at the depot. I have toured both facilities (as well as the parts facility in Elk Grove Ca.) and they have a system set up. The figure they gave us was that 20% of all incoming laptops were not repaired due to customer negligence or abuse. Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On 1/1/05 1:46 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: That seems a little excessive, don't you think? Brian I never said that I agreed with their policy... Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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My warranty expired three days before I did the upgrade, which I did myself, though it was far from an easy job (as it is on older G3 PowerBooks). Andrew On 1/1/05 1:06 PM, Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/1/05 9:29 AM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Bigger hard drive is always easy, and 1.33 vs 1.22GHz should be unnooticeable. My 12 Powerbook 1GHz has 2 2/3 the storage and more speed from the upgrade to an 80GB 5400RPM TravelStar, in an even smaller and lighter package. But if you didn't pay a premium and have Apple do it your warranty is now void. Kyle Hansen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On 1/1/05 3:12 PM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: My warranty expired three days before I did the upgrade, which I did myself, though it was far from an easy job (as it is on older G3 PowerBooks). Yeah. The 12 books still take me about 20 minutes where a Pismo takes 3. Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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12 PowerBook fits great on my lap. By the way, I am neither lazy nor out of shape, and the extra pound or more of a large laptop DOES make a difference when carried all day. My 12 PB weighs a bit under 2lbs less than my Pismo, and for carrying around town as I go from place to place, in and out of the car, or across an airport, it makes a real difference. Of course, the bag for the 12 itself is much lighter than the bag for the 14, despite both being Brenthavens with similar construction and materials. With the 12 I tend to travel light, bringing only a lightweight universal power supply (AC/Auto/Air) and as little else as possible, kind of forced by the small bag. With the larger bag there is a tendency to throw more stuff into it, stuff that gets heavy and can usually be done without anyway, like portable printers, scanners, drives and the like. With the 12, I just throw a few DVDs into clear plastic CD sleeves (cases are bulky) and any papers (or pages copied from books) that I may need into the case and that is it for my computer case. I used to carry a 7lb monster and it is so liberating to carry a 4.6 pound lightweight in its place. Andrew On 1/1/05 1:14 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used laptops larger an more bulky than my 14 on airplanes with no issues, although, airplane use doesn't matter much to me since I don't really travel like that these days. My 14, like i've said, goes nearly everywhere with me, and with no effort. I often hear people complain about how difficult it is to move and travel with such big and bulky computers. My experience has been that such people are either too lazy or too out of shape to realize how light and compact these laptops really are. I've tried smaller laptops, sure. Wanna know how I use that extra space on either side of the computer? To keep the thing on my lap. A 12 laptop slips around and is unstable in my lap unless i hunch myself in as though I were typing on some playing card. Using a 12 LAPTOP on my LAP is very uncomfortable. As for weight, one extra pound really isn't that much. Sure I COULD find a smaller laptop, but to be honest, I only have one bag in which my laptop does not fit well, and that's because it's the smallest gym bag I could find. The extra palm space does indeed come in handy, since I do use it to rest my palms often, whether it's proper typing or not. And, as surmised, it does come in handy for writing a note or post it. Brian On Jan 1, 2005, at 2:15 PM, Andrew F. wrote: The 15 and 17 PowerBooks are much wider machines than the 12, but the 14 iBook and older 14 PowerBooks are not wide enough to get any benefit. Of course, to be wide enough to give some benefit (15 and 17 PB) makes the machine too wide to be used well as a portable, making it really a portable desktop. Personally, I bought my 12 to use as a true portable, a decision I have never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger laptops such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes. I actually saw some poor idiot's 17 PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the result was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch, followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a massive shelf of a computer in a confined space. The 12, in contrast, is so small that even if the passenger in front of me reclines, I won't have my screen crunched. That, and of course I still have room on my tray table, as opposed to bleeding over into another person's space. The 15 isn't that bad, but it still can't touch the 12 for portability and light weight. Of course, the 12 is such a delight to type on that I've never wished for anything larger for that purpose. Speaking of RSI, by the way, your hands shouldn't be touching the palmrest AT ALL, making a wider one of dubious benefit. The only time I can see a benefit of a large palmrest area is for sliding around a small optical mouse or as a surface to write rest your post-it pad on for writing real pen-and-paper notes. The 12, by the way, has a very generous palmrest and is an ergonomic delight, as far as laptops go with their low screens that force bent necks. Andrew On 1/1/05 11:58 AM, Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hands never rest on the 3/4 strip of plastic on the sides of the keyboard, and that space has no ergonomic benefit. The deeper palmrest may have some benefit, but the difference is very minor. That space has no ergonomic benefit indeed, but the corresponding space on the palmrest has. When you type, you shouldn't have your arms perpendicular to the space bar, but at a certain, comfortable angle. If your palmrest is not wide enough, this forces your arms to use a different angle (people tend to do that subconsciously), which translates to more chances
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Yes, Di-No in Pasadena wanted $80 for the job and are fully Apple authorized. I used to be a tech support trainer (in the PowerBook 5300 days) and am used to taking laptops apart, so I decided to try it myself. As a guy with lots of experience inside modern laptops, the 12 PB was still VERY difficult to take apart and reassemble, so next time I'll just spend the $80 at Di-No, as I would have had I still been in warranty. Andrew On 1/1/05 1:15 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't there apple authorize tech out there that will do it for considerably cheaper? Brian On Jan 1, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: But if you didn't pay a premium and have Apple do it your warranty is now void. Kyle Hansen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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The flip-up screen on the Pismo is wonderful for tinkering, but the rigid mount keyboard on the aluminum books are just delightful. I don't get why the 12 and even 14 iBooks are so difficult to swap hard drives on though, as they have flip-up KBs like the Pismo and Lombard, I call that poor design on the newer models. I had an IBM X21 that only required 1 screw to access the hard drive, which slid right out of the side of the computer. This easy access was in a computer considerably smaller and lighter than my 12 PB, and what I consider terrific industrial design. Andrew On 1/1/05 3:15 PM, Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/1/05 3:12 PM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: My warranty expired three days before I did the upgrade, which I did myself, though it was far from an easy job (as it is on older G3 PowerBooks). Yeah. The 12 books still take me about 20 minutes where a Pismo takes 3. Kyle Hansen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Personally, I bought my 12 to use as a true portable, a decision I have never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger laptops such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes. I actually saw some poor idiot's 17 PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the result was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch, followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a massive shelf of a computer in a confined space. I just have to say that this is the silliest story I have heard against 17 PBs. While my 17-er is sometimes too big for my needs (as mentioned in Digest #2068), it does NOT extend past the width of an airline seat! If the poor idiot / fool's massive PowerBook was reducing the width of the isle, it's because maybe he was balancing a scanner on his other leg! American Airlines, 737, coach = 17 seat width Continental, 737, economy = 17.2 seat width My 17 PowerBook is 15.5 wide when nothing is plugged in to either side --- 17 is the narrowest seat I could find in a quick random search at seatguru.com. No need to abuse your fellow listas by calling them names just because they have different opinions. Who's the fool for thinking that other people are going to believe this story? Claire -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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He probably had his drink in the little cup indentation and balanced his PowerBook on the rest of the tray. By the way, I didn't call 17 owners idiots, only one particular guy I saw who made a real mess out of a 2-hour flight. I actually do see rational reasons for buying such machines, graphic design or audio work, or almost anything else where lots of screen real estate is needed in a transportable computer, which is what the 17 PB is, a transportable, rather than a portable. On 1/1/05 5:33 PM, Claire Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I bought my 12 to use as a true portable, a decision I have never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger laptops such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes. I actually saw some poor idiot's 17 PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the result was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch, followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a massive shelf of a computer in a confined space. I just have to say that this is the silliest story I have heard against 17 PBs. While my 17-er is sometimes too big for my needs (as mentioned in Digest #2068), it does NOT extend past the width of an airline seat! If the poor idiot / fool's massive PowerBook was reducing the width of the isle, it's because maybe he was balancing a scanner on his other leg! American Airlines, 737, coach = 17 seat width Continental, 737, economy = 17.2 seat width My 17 PowerBook is 15.5 wide when nothing is plugged in to either side --- 17 is the narrowest seat I could find in a quick random search at seatguru.com. No need to abuse your fellow listas by calling them names just because they have different opinions. Who's the fool for thinking that other people are going to believe this story? Claire -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Andrew F. said: Of course, to be wide enough to give some benefit (15 and 17 PB) makes the machine too wide to be used well as a portable, making it really a portable desktop. Unless you think portable means moving around while in use I strongly disagree, at least for 15, which I feel is a good compromise. such a delight to type on that I've never wished for anything larger for that purpose What if you do more than type? What I'm waiting for is wearables to happen with floating 20 images in glasses. I suppose key chords is the only way to go to make that work. Maybe wearables never will compete with portables, just open up new avenues of usage. They really should be around the corner technically, but there most likely will be yet some time for any siginificant market demand. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Andrew F. said: By the way, I am neither lazy nor out of shape, and the extra pound or more of a large laptop DOES make a difference when carried all day. Not in a backpack, it doesn't. This is definitively one of the best ways to carry a portable computer around. I don't notice a pound more or less. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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An interesting thread, so I thought I'd chime in. My Pismo is my main computer. . .period. I use it at home docked on it's multiple fan cooling station, elevated for my ergonomic needs, which of course is connected to my Firewire and USB devices. Oh and on the subject of screen real estate? At home my Pismo is always connected to my 17 Apple Studio Display. . .PLENTY of real estate to do my work. For those rare occasions when I have to go out to see clients, I grab my laptop bag, which can neatly house my Pismo, flat bed scanner, CD/RW, Zip Drive, and two extra batteries. The bag isn't even too big either. . .but probably weighs as much as the average American, but hey I LOVE to see my clients reactions as I bust out an entire office on the table; of which everything mentioned is powered from my Pismo via the Firewire and USB ports. By the way folks, this brings me to the TWO REASONS I will have a very hard time ever parting from my Pismo. Besides two batteries, the hot swappable expansion bays are key elements for my needs, that always pop up when least expected. So, if Apple somehow figures out how to make a PowerBook G5 with those two main elements, I'll be the first in line. And yea, it's gonna have to be a G5 to get me away from my Pismo. Probably a third reason is due to the advent of wireless technologies. Wireless, as we all know, has put an enormous jump on laptops in general through sales and overall demand. Of course my two bedroom condo is wireless and yes, I'm technosexual as was described the other day on the news. . .I have the occasional geek parties with as much as 12 to 14 people all wirelessly connected to my network via their laptops, PB's and iBooks, surfing and downloading. I've got a shared T1, so I might as well be generous with the bandwidth when I'm not using it right? Anyway, as a former desktop user who had a computer it seems that was the size of my room with SCSI this and SCSI that just four short years ago, the Pismo has made me a true believer in laptop technology and I will never go back to a tower at home. NEVA! LOL. Anyway, happy new year everyone. . .no more shots for me. Z THE BLUETOOTH MASTER -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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At 12:47 AM -0500 12/31/04, John wrote: Andrew F. wrote: I love my 12, even now that I'm not in school anymore, its still nice to have a laptop that is so small and light that I actually do bring it out with me. Andrew I really like my 12 iceBook 700. But in all honesty, if I could trade it for an equal 14 version, I'd do it in a minute. I keep finding myself wishing for a bit more screen real-estate like my old Wallstreet had. I am contemplating a *book purchase myself and find that I'm leaning towards the 14 systems. I use 2-21 on the desktop and I'm not sure I can do one 12 LOL Diane -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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When you carry around a bag full of books everywhere, a 7 lb laptop isn't going to feel like much. In fact, when I do go around with only my laptop the bag feels as light as a feather. On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:50 AM, Andrew F. wrote: Most people would. I prefer the 14 screen of my Pismo over the 12 screen of my AlBook, but not enough to fuss with the extra size and weight. I used to carry around 7lb full-sized laptops everywhere I went, and didn't know how bad it was only because I didn't know that there was a better way. Even my 12 PowerBook feels bulky now, though I suspect that the 3lb 11 screen toshiba Portege I used to carry (still do when I want to go really light) has a lot to do with that. I know that if Apple ever came out with an updated PowerBook 2400c I'd rush out and buy one. That is my dream machine, G4 at 1.5GHz (though a slower chip would not bother me in the interest of reducing power comsuption and heat), a 10.4 or 11.3 screen at 1024X768, though the current 12.1 would be even better if they could reduce the size of the surrounding bezel. Finally, leave the optical drive OUT OF THE CHASIS and make the whole thing weigh 3lbs or less. I'd pay current 12 AlBook prices for such a machine, and I'd wager a lot of other people would too (though probably very few on this list). Andrew On 12/30/04 10:36 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My iBook G4 14 works wonders for me. I do almost all of my college notes, projects, assignments, papers etc on it. Pretty much my whole life is on it. On top of that, it goes just about everywhere with me, and even though it's a 14 iBook, I have no problem at all toting it around. It may have the same techinical screen real estate as it's 12 brother, but I still prefer the 14 screen. Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Dec 31, 2004, at 9:44 AM, diane wrote: At 12:47 AM -0500 12/31/04, John wrote: Andrew F. wrote: I love my 12, even now that I'm not in school anymore, its still nice to have a laptop that is so small and light that I actually do bring it out with me. Andrew I really like my 12 iceBook 700. But in all honesty, if I could trade it for an equal 14 version, I'd do it in a minute. I keep finding myself wishing for a bit more screen real-estate like my old Wallstreet had. I am contemplating a *book purchase myself and find that I'm leaning towards the 14 systems. I use 2-21 on the desktop and I'm not sure I can do one 12 LOL Diane You won't gain any screen real-estate by getting a 14 iBook, it has the same 1024 x 768 resolution that the 12 iBooks have. unless your eyesight is failing there isn't much advantage to the 14. 700MHz iBook G3 640MB Ram OS 10.3.7 Laugha while you can monkeyboy. Dr. Lizardo(Bukaroo Bonzai) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On 12/31/04 10:44 AM, diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am contemplating a *book purchase myself and find that I'm leaning towards the 14 systems. I use 2-21 on the desktop and I'm not sure I can do one 12 LOL The thing to keep in mind with the iBook is that the 12 and 14 LCDs have the same resolution. The result is that the 14 model is easier on 'old' eyes like mine. If I ever had to give up my 15 pBook I'd grab a 14 iBook because of this. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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But a 4lb laptop is lighter still. Those who claim it makes no difference, just haven't tried it yet. Andrew On 12/31/04 5:13 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you carry around a bag full of books everywhere, a 7 lb laptop isn't going to feel like much. In fact, when I do go around with only my laptop the bag feels as light as a feather. On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:50 AM, Andrew F. wrote: Most people would. I prefer the 14 screen of my Pismo over the 12 screen of my AlBook, but not enough to fuss with the extra size and weight. I used to carry around 7lb full-sized laptops everywhere I went, and didn't know how bad it was only because I didn't know that there was a better way. Even my 12 PowerBook feels bulky now, though I suspect that the 3lb 11 screen toshiba Portege I used to carry (still do when I want to go really light) has a lot to do with that. I know that if Apple ever came out with an updated PowerBook 2400c I'd rush out and buy one. That is my dream machine, G4 at 1.5GHz (though a slower chip would not bother me in the interest of reducing power comsuption and heat), a 10.4 or 11.3 screen at 1024X768, though the current 12.1 would be even better if they could reduce the size of the surrounding bezel. Finally, leave the optical drive OUT OF THE CHASIS and make the whole thing weigh 3lbs or less. I'd pay current 12 AlBook prices for such a machine, and I'd wager a lot of other people would too (though probably very few on this list). Andrew On 12/30/04 10:36 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My iBook G4 14 works wonders for me. I do almost all of my college notes, projects, assignments, papers etc on it. Pretty much my whole life is on it. On top of that, it goes just about everywhere with me, and even though it's a 14 iBook, I have no problem at all toting it around. It may have the same techinical screen real estate as it's 12 brother, but I still prefer the 14 screen. Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jim Dynes wrote: No No No!! If a little is good, then more is better But less/little is only more in comparison *to* more; more cannot be better...unless less is best ! -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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I was out of town for a week, so didn't carefully read all of my email, somehow missing the original post regarding less is more or bigger is better. I'm assuming this discussion is comparing sizes of 'books. I bought the 17 PB last summer. I LOVE all of the features, but it is not so easy to lug around. I'm always wanting to take it to meetings (rather than taking printed-out emails and documents). I also maintain a website for a basketball program, and am almost always wishing I had my PB with me at games, to update this or that. I may return to school this semester, and I will DEFINITELY want to have my PB! Lugging the whole case is quite a load, so sometimes the PB just goes in my purse. Of course, HALF of it sticks out of the top and causes my purse to fall over, and I don't want it on the floor, either. So, I end up holding it the whole time. All that to say that I'm wondering if I might have been happier with the 15 PowerBook. I've even thought that if I had a 12-er, it would probably literally be in my purse everywhere I went. Hmmm, maybe I need a PDA... I don't know, a 40-something mom with a very tall backpack??? Claire -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
I love my 12, even now that I'm not in school anymore, its still nice to have a laptop that is so small and light that I actually do bring it out with me. Andrew On 12/30/04 9:25 PM, Claire Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was out of town for a week, so didn't carefully read all of my email, somehow missing the original post regarding less is more or bigger is better. I'm assuming this discussion is comparing sizes of 'books. I bought the 17 PB last summer. I LOVE all of the features, but it is not so easy to lug around. I'm always wanting to take it to meetings (rather than taking printed-out emails and documents). I also maintain a website for a basketball program, and am almost always wishing I had my PB with me at games, to update this or that. I may return to school this semester, and I will DEFINITELY want to have my PB! Lugging the whole case is quite a load, so sometimes the PB just goes in my purse. Of course, HALF of it sticks out of the top and causes my purse to fall over, and I don't want it on the floor, either. So, I end up holding it the whole time. All that to say that I'm wondering if I might have been happier with the 15 PowerBook. I've even thought that if I had a 12-er, it would probably literally be in my purse everywhere I went. Hmmm, maybe I need a PDA... I don't know, a 40-something mom with a very tall backpack??? Claire -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Andrew F. wrote: I love my 12, even now that I'm not in school anymore, its still nice to have a laptop that is so small and light that I actually do bring it out with me. Andrew I really like my 12 iceBook 700. But in all honesty, if I could trade it for an equal 14 version, I'd do it in a minute. I keep finding myself wishing for a bit more screen real-estate like my old Wallstreet had. JR -- This sig contains no political, religious, or commercial content whatsoever. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Your iBook, the 14 and the Wallstreet all have the exact same amount of real estate (resolution), its just the size of the dots that is different, rather than the number of them. Yes, the 14 screen on my Pismo is more pleasant to look at (from a distance) than that of my 12 PowerBook, but the 12 is much sharper and produces a technically better picture, just smaller. I use the Pismo essentially as an easy chair computer, as opposed to the small 12 which is a true portable. Yes the Pismo will run almost 10 hours on its two batteries, but its just so darn big and heavy that it stays home. That's just me though, and now I have the best of both worlds, the 12 to go and the 14 for home use. If I had to choose only one computer though, it'd still be the 12. Actually, I'd take any active matrix PowerBook from the 5300c onward over any desktop if I was limited to just one computer. Andrew On 12/30/04 9:47 PM, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew F. wrote: I love my 12, even now that I'm not in school anymore, its still nice to have a laptop that is so small and light that I actually do bring it out with me. Andrew I really like my 12 iceBook 700. But in all honesty, if I could trade it for an equal 14 version, I'd do it in a minute. I keep finding myself wishing for a bit more screen real-estate like my old Wallstreet had. JR -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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My iBook G4 14 works wonders for me. I do almost all of my college notes, projects, assignments, papers etc on it. Pretty much my whole life is on it. On top of that, it goes just about everywhere with me, and even though it's a 14 iBook, I have no problem at all toting it around. It may have the same techinical screen real estate as it's 12 brother, but I still prefer the 14 screen. Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
Most people would. I prefer the 14 screen of my Pismo over the 12 screen of my AlBook, but not enough to fuss with the extra size and weight. I used to carry around 7lb full-sized laptops everywhere I went, and didn't know how bad it was only because I didn't know that there was a better way. Even my 12 PowerBook feels bulky now, though I suspect that the 3lb 11 screen toshiba Portege I used to carry (still do when I want to go really light) has a lot to do with that. I know that if Apple ever came out with an updated PowerBook 2400c I'd rush out and buy one. That is my dream machine, G4 at 1.5GHz (though a slower chip would not bother me in the interest of reducing power comsuption and heat), a 10.4 or 11.3 screen at 1024X768, though the current 12.1 would be even better if they could reduce the size of the surrounding bezel. Finally, leave the optical drive OUT OF THE CHASIS and make the whole thing weigh 3lbs or less. I'd pay current 12 AlBook prices for such a machine, and I'd wager a lot of other people would too (though probably very few on this list). Andrew On 12/30/04 10:36 PM, Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My iBook G4 14 works wonders for me. I do almost all of my college notes, projects, assignments, papers etc on it. Pretty much my whole life is on it. On top of that, it goes just about everywhere with me, and even though it's a 14 iBook, I have no problem at all toting it around. It may have the same techinical screen real estate as it's 12 brother, but I still prefer the 14 screen. Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Less is more or Bigger is better
I¹ve been on this list for about a year now (since I switched back from 6 years of Wintel and bought my 12² G4) and in that time have always wondered what was up with everyone who is so into their Wallstreet, Lombard and Pismo PowerBooks. Now I¹m still a big fan of the ³less is more² approach to laptops, but I must admit that I¹m starting to see the appeal in the larger books. It started a about 6-weeks-ago when on a whim I bought a Lombard off eBay to satisfy my daughter¹s desire for a laptop of her own. Well I configured the 333MHz machine with OSX Panther and OS9 and found that it was quite an enjoyable machine to work on. Much slower than the G4 and rather unstable, but still enjoyable. I traced the stability problems to the upper 256MB ram module and sent it back to OWC last week, with the replacement due any day now. Running on only the lower 256MB module the Lombard is rock solid, and unless I launch more than three or four programs it remains fast enough for general office-type work. This is where things got a bit strange. I am currently studying for the California bar exam and keep my study folder with all of my outlines and what not on our desktop PowerMac G4 (400MHz Sawtooth, also running Panther rather well), which is nice because I like to write and study from my living room recliner, and when the batteries on my 12² G4 run down, rather than plugging it in, I just save my work and resume where I left off on the Lombard. My wife saw this a few times and then looked over my shoulder and noticed the large text and overall clarity of the Lombard display, and proclaimed that as soon as I finish the exam, the Lombard is hers. Okay, so back to eBay I go to find another computer for my daughter. I watched both the ending soon and newly listed views for G3 PowerBooks and came upon a loaded 400MHz Pismo, which is now sitting on my lap as I write on its like-new bronze keyboard. About an hour after buying the Pismo on eBay, I saw a listing on the LEM Swap list for a Kanga at $150 shipped, so more out of curiosity than anything I bought that too, thinking if either the Pismo or the Kanga arrive in clean cosmetic condition I will make that my daughter¹s machine (she is 10 and will use mostly edutainment software in OS9) and keep the ugly one for myself. What is really amazing is that I got all three computers, a pair of old Orinoco pc cards for the Lombard and Kanga (the Pismo already had an AirPort card) and a total of three working AC adapters (all compatible with all three computers) and four excellent batteries (1 Kanga, 3 Lombard/Pismo) for less than the cheapest new iBook over at my local Apple Store. The Lombard is the only one that shows any signs of wear, though because its CD ROM drive and keyboard are a bit quieter than the DVD and keyboard of the Pismo, it is still my wife¹s choice of computer. The Pismo is a nice backup to my G4, and for long hours studying, is actually a far better computer than the newer aluminum machine. With the two best batteries installed I get a whopping 7 hours runtime (the other good battery can hot-swap in for an additional 2:45) and that 14² TFT is much easier on the eyes for long sessions than the 12² panel on my G4. There is also something just friendlier about the black PowerBooks with their bronze keyboards, and of course the ergonomics are far superior. About the only downside compared to the G4 is that the keyboard isn¹t as crisp, though its much better than I thought it would be. Actually even the old Kanga is a delight. Running OS8.6 (until I get more ram for OS9) is extremely fast, and that is with the paltry 32MB of ram that it came with. 9.1 should fly after I add 64 or 128MB of ram, and who knows, maybe I¹ll give XPostFacto a try (if I get the 128MB module) and try to run Panther on it. So, I guess what I¹m trying to say is that while I won¹t be taking this like-new Pismo with me when I fly, I can see myself really putting a lot of mileage on its keyboard in the years to come. These older PowerBooks really are great examples of superior design, and I can see why you guys like them so much. How much was that G4 upgrade again? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
No No No!! If a little is good, then more is better -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Less is more or Bigger is better
But when lugging it across airports and trying to use in a crowded coach-class seat, less is definitely more. Andrew On 12/29/04 9:38 PM, Jim Dynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No No No!! If a little is good, then more is better -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
