Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Ann Catelli]

This past week, I was at Pennsic XL (though rather a small Pennsic War, as they 
go :().

And I can tell you that my garb was accurate to no specific period, & I was 
having all kinds of heat issues to boot. :p

But I picked up a copy of Cloth And Clothing in Early Anglo-Saxon England, AD 
450-700 by Penelope Walton Rogers.
Working my way through the first time now.
Lots of information in it.


The first h-costume post I have saved is from 2004, so I must have joined 
around that time. :)

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Emily Gilbert]

On 8/8/2011 2:07 PM, Anne Murphy wrote:

Is there a costuming presence on Ravelry? Even though it was
specifically founded for knitters, I've found a lot of other textile
people have migrated there... For many, it seems to be because the
format allows them to keep track of many interests in one place. (I'm
not active there - see attack of life, lack of energy - but it's
another place I want to start reading again, now that I'm recovering.)


Yes, there is!  A member of one of the groups I belong to there, 
Historic Knitting, recently started a Historic Sewing group.  The thread 
about costuming had become so long that she decided it was time it had 
its own group rather than cluttering up the knitting group.


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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Emily Gilbert]

I joined in 2009, after attending a talk by Robin Netherton where she 
mentioned this list.


Emily


On 8/8/2011 12:08 AM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote:

So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list?  And
what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the newbies have
found it.

I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL.

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Kate Bunting]

I joined around 1999, I think. We (at work) were directed to a site listing 
mailing lists, with the idea that we should experiment with them for work 
purposes, but I found H-costume and have been addicted ever since (though my 
era of early-mid 17th century isn't a popular one on the list).

Kate Bunting
Librarian & 17th century reenactor

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[penny1a]

Hi Ron,

It has been a long time since you have posted on the list.  What are you up
to in Williamsburg?

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Ron Carnegie]

 
>> :
>> : So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email  
>> list?
>> And
>> : what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the  
>> newbies
>> have
>> : found it.
>> :
>> : I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL.
>> :
>> : Penny Ladnier, owner
>> : The Costume Gallery Websites
>> : www.costumegallery.com
>> : 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history
>> : FaceBook:
>> : http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-
>> : Websites/107498415961579
>> :
   For the life of me I have no idea how I found it.  I just don't recall.
I have been on it at least since 1995, because I was on it before moving to
Virginia.  Haven't actually participated in much discussion however in quite
some time.

Ron Carnegie


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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

We've learned quite a lot through the years, not only to be specific 
with the inquiries and information, but also avoiding absolutes: 
"always" and "never."


-


But not, alas, "typical," a frequently abused term.

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

>  But the point I was trying to make, was if the list is concerned 
about recruiting/retaining new blood, and where everyone has wandered 
off to, is it really worth having a 'warning' on the sign-up page that 
has apparently outlived it's usefulness? A one-line "This list is not 
exclusive to members of [insert organisations here], please do not 
assume that everyone is thinking about the same time period and place, 
to prevent any confusion" is probably nicer than an entire paragraph 
singling out one group. :)


Or even, "This  list is not exclusive to members of any specific 
organization . . . "  It's true, SCA members are not the only ones who 
post on a more general list and assume everyone else is a member of 
their particular organization.


But I think the first thing to do, re recruits, is just to let them know 
h-costume exists and point them to the sign-up page.


Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lynn Downward]

I agree with you on the teeth grinding - about any group, not just SCA - and
think that your generic notation about period and place are perfectly
appropriate for this group.
LynnD

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Rebecca Lucas wrote:

>
> <>
>
> > It IS very offputting, for a non-SCA member, to join a list for costume
> > or some other historic interest, and then have to deal with a constant
> > "We are the m'Lord and M'Lady, and everyone else is mundane" attitude.
> <>
>
> Too true! For a while I was running a mailing list that would attract the
> occasional SCAdian, and they would blithely assume that everyone else was in
> the SCA too. It made me grind my teeth, let me tell you.
>
> But the point I was trying to make, was if the list is concerned about
> recruiting/retaining new blood, and where everyone has wandered off to,  is
> it really worth having a 'warning' on the sign-up page that has apparently
> outlived it's usefulness? A one-line "This list is not exclusive to members
> of [insert organisations here], please do not assume that everyone is
> thinking about the same time period and place, to prevent any confusion"  is
> probably nicer than an entire paragraph singling out one group. :)
>
> ~Rebecca
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Rebecca Lucas]

<>

> It IS very offputting, for a non-SCA member, to join a list for costume 
> or some other historic interest, and then have to deal with a constant 
> "We are the m'Lord and M'Lady, and everyone else is mundane" attitude.
<>

Too true! For a while I was running a mailing list that would attract the 
occasional SCAdian, and they would blithely assume that everyone else was in 
the SCA too. It made me grind my teeth, let me tell you.

But the point I was trying to make, was if the list is concerned about 
recruiting/retaining new blood, and where everyone has wandered off to,  is it 
really worth having a 'warning' on the sign-up page that has apparently 
outlived it's usefulness? A one-line "This list is not exclusive to members of 
[insert organisations here], please do not assume that everyone is thinking 
about the same time period and place, to prevent any confusion"  is probably 
nicer than an entire paragraph singling out one group. :)

~Rebecca
  
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Carol Kocian]

Hmmn, looks like I joined by 1997. That's the earliest year of H-cost  
saved messages I can find, and I may have joined earlier. Joining H- 
costume was one of the first things I did after getting an e-mail  
address at work. ;-)


When did Penny compile the directory of H-costume members? I was  
around for that.


Regarding the SCA, I've seen this on the Historic Knit list, too —  
Some SCA people will discuss things in terms of whether they are  
"period," meaning do they fall within the time period covered by the  
SCA. Presuming a majority of SCA members, they won't say "SCA period"  
or (even more helpful) "before 1600." Or "before 1650," whichever is  
preferred.  :-)


Even in a more focused list such as 18cWoman, it helps to state the  
decade, country and social class. Plenty of things were around "in  
the 18th century" but that does not make them right for a Rev War  
camp follower.


We've learned quite a lot through the years, not only to be specific  
with the inquiries and information, but also avoiding absolutes:  
"always" and "never."


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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

Diana was concerned about keeping the list friendly to people making 
costumes for all historic eras.  She didn't want it to become an 
in-group for any especial organization. A lot of the early members were 
SCA and she wanted to make sure they didn't turn it into an 
SCA-dominated venue.


It IS very offputting, for a non-SCA member, to join a list for costume 
or some other historic interest, and then have to deal with a constant 
"We are the m'Lord and M'Lady, and everyone else is mundane" attitude.


Fran
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On 8/8/2011 3:20 PM, Rebecca Lucas wrote:

<>

I joined sometime last year. The only way I found out about this list, is
from the search result regarding the Gothic Fitted Gown.

<>

Much the same timeframe, and reasons for joining - this list comes up when 
you're looking for information about Gotic fitted dresses, and so I signed up 
since it seemed to be an interesting group.

I will admit though, I was having second thoughts before I signed up; if you 
read the introduction to the list here ( 
http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ), then it makes a point about 
the SCA being a cause of angst (which is one of the groups I play with). Why on 
earth would I want to sign up to a list where, by the sounds of it, if I dare 
mention that I play with a particular organisation, I'd be told off?

Thankfully, everyone here seems lovely. But first impressions count, and my 
first impression of this list, before I'd even signed up, was not that it was 
friendly.

Rebecca

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Rebecca Lucas]

<>
> I joined sometime last year. The only way I found out about this list, is
> from the search result regarding the Gothic Fitted Gown.
<>

Much the same timeframe, and reasons for joining - this list comes up when 
you're looking for information about Gotic fitted dresses, and so I signed up 
since it seemed to be an interesting group.

I will admit though, I was having second thoughts before I signed up; if you 
read the introduction to the list here ( 
http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ), then it makes a point about 
the SCA being a cause of angst (which is one of the groups I play with). Why on 
earth would I want to sign up to a list where, by the sounds of it, if I dare 
mention that I play with a particular organisation, I'd be told off?

Thankfully, everyone here seems lovely. But first impressions count, and my 
first impression of this list, before I'd even signed up, was not that it was 
friendly.

Rebecca
  
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[penny1a]

Fran,

I miss the vintage email list.  Cat moved f-costume to yahoogroups.  I
forgot that it is another email list that is active.  You can find it at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/F-Costume/ 

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Michael Deibert]

I joined sometime last year. The only way I found out about this list, is
from the search result regarding the Gothic Fitted Gown. I've my degree in
Theater, with focus in theatrical costuming. However, I am very interested
in the historical aspect of things - why things were worn as such, how they
were sewn, what did they wear underneath everything to give the right shape,
etc. Even for my designs, I always prefer to go the historical route versus
the theatrical route. Not always possible, but I at least make good
arguements for doing so. I also have projects I'm working on on the side,
those I focus on the historical point of things. I enjoy this list because,
as many others have pointed out, it is a general list not specific to eras.
Any question I have can usually be answered. I also do not have the time to
read all the blogs or lists out there so I must simplify things and go with
this one.

Michael

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Beteena Paradise  wrote:

> I joined sometime between 2002 and 2003 because I was living in Atlanta at
> the
> time. Does anyone else mark time by where they lived? Gotta love the army!
> Anyway, I don't remember where I heard about this list. I just remember
> that it
> had something to do with Robin Netherton. I don't know if she mentioned it
> somewhere or it came up doing an internet search for research. I took a
> costuming hiatus for a couple of years around 2005 so didn't really pay
> much
> attention to posts on this list. It goes to its own folder so sometimes I
> just
> let them accumulate. But every so often I would go back to reading
> regularly.
>
> Teena
>
>
> On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 01:08:13 -0400  writes:
> > So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email
> > list?  And
> > what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the
> > newbies have
> > found it.
> >
> > I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL.
> >
> > Penny Ladnier, owner
> > The Costume Gallery Websites
> > www.costumegallery.com
> > 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history
> > FaceBook:
> >
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/10749841596157
> 9
> >
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

I joined h-costume when it first started. Diana something?  The 
moderator, advertised it in various venues. One was a now-defunct 
vintage clothing majordomo list. I heard about h-costume there and 
joined immediately.


H-costume has never had a bad moderator, but Diana did what was 
necessary for setting up a new list.  She marketed for new members, and 
she participated very actively to keep the volume of traffic up long 
enough to reach a critical mass. Mind you, she was also running a 
fantasy costume list and later on, took over the vintage clothing list, 
in addition to a demanding full-time job as a technical writer. 
Eventually she had to quit moderating the lists, as competing too much 
with her paid employment.


Fran
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On 8/8/2011 12:07 PM, Anne Murphy wrote:

I'm finding this fascinating - and *extremely* well timed, for me!

I joined the list in... 1997, I think? I believe I found it from a
reference on alt.stagecraft (speaking of changes in social media -
remember usenet?)

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Anne Murphy]

I'm finding this fascinating - and *extremely* well timed, for me!

I joined the list in... 1997, I think? I believe I found it from a
reference on alt.stagecraft (speaking of changes in social media -
remember usenet?) I was a theatrical costume designer, with an
interest in historic costume.

I was on and off a bit the first few years - depended on internet
access... when I got my own computer in 2000, this was the first list
I subbed to. I read regularly and was active for a number of years,
but then I had an attack of life, designed less, and had less time -
stayed subscribed, so I can look things up, but rarely read and never
posted.

Life has calmed down a bit, and I'm trying to get back into some of my
interests and activities. I just started looking at the list again,
and the first thing I noticed was how slow it is... it used to be
almost overwhelmingly busy. But yes - almost all of my textile lists
(I also spin and weave) have really slowed down - as indeed, have all
my lists. (I do still recognize quite a few of you - but there are
also some names I don't remember - which might be faulty memory on my
part, but might be new blood...)

I agree with Fran that a value of this list is the wide range of
interests - I'm *not* just interested in any one time or place. And I
may or may not be actually making anything - so the dress diary format
is of limited use to me.

And I think we started losing people when the Yahoo lists became
popular - everyone got used to just looking there, and some, I know,
resisted any other format. (In fact, most non-Yahoo lists I knew of
died altogether - we've really done quite well.)

I know that it doesn't work to just stand there insisting "People
*ought* to do it the way they always have! It worked, after all!" I
spent enough time 10 years ago arguing the value of email lists to
people who "just picked up the phone and called" - and couldn't see
that calling never reached enough people...  So now, I'll continue to
enjoy this list (which is still busier than many, and has people I
remember as knowledgeable) but also start looking to find where other
people actually are.

Is there a costuming presence on Ravelry? Even though it was
specifically founded for knitters, I've found a lot of other textile
people have migrated there... For many, it seems to be because the
format allows them to keep track of many interests in one place. (I'm
not active there - see attack of life, lack of energy - but it's
another place I want to start reading again, now that I'm recovering.)

In some ways, for me, that fact that the list is slower makes it
easier to rejoin - my inbox won't be flooded if I can't read for a day
or two. It means less information, though...

Anne



On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:08 AM,   wrote:
> So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list?  And
> what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the newbies have
> found it.
>
> I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL.
>
> Penny Ladnier, owner
>

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Beteena Paradise]

I joined sometime between 2002 and 2003 because I was living in Atlanta at the 
time. Does anyone else mark time by where they lived? Gotta love the army! 
Anyway, I don't remember where I heard about this list. I just remember that it 
had something to do with Robin Netherton. I don't know if she mentioned it 
somewhere or it came up doing an internet search for research. I took a 
costuming hiatus for a couple of years around 2005 so didn't really pay much 
attention to posts on this list. It goes to its own folder so sometimes I just 
let them accumulate. But every so often I would go back to reading regularly. 

Teena


On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 01:08:13 -0400  writes:
> So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email 
> list?  And
> what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the 
> newbies have
> found it. 
> 
> I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL.
> 
> Penny Ladnier, owner
> The Costume Gallery Websites
> www.costumegallery.com
> 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history
> FaceBook:
>
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lisa A Ashton]

I joined temporarily in about 2003 or so, I'm not sure exactly, when I
was asking for everyone's comments on the vintage phtoo of my
great-grandmother, to help me in reproducing th e dress she wore in
thephoto.  Then I dropped out.the volume of mail was just too much
for what I was going through after that, with my Mom sick.  I rejoined
about 3 years ago, when I was researching the Civil War era to re-create
a dress, and also joined Godey's Lady's Book.com, and have learned so
much from everyone and made a few lasting friends.  Right now, with one
of the "extra" dressesI made of the CW period, since I needed a whole
wardrobe, including a wool winter coat, I am planning a costume
presentation about "Little Women".

Yours in costuming, Lisa A



On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 01:08:13 -0400  writes:
> So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email 
> list?  And
> what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the 
> newbies have
> found it. 
> 
> I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL.
> 
> Penny Ladnier, owner
> The Costume Gallery Websites
> www.costumegallery.com
> 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history
> FaceBook:
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[REBECCA BURCH]

I joined in 2006, when I was looking for information and assistance making the 
first "Frobie suit" for my son to wear at Bristol. Up to that point he had been 
a yeoman and his garb was provided. 2006 was when he became Capt. Frobisher. 

I'm not sure, but I think it was recommended to Ansel by someone at Faire. I 
have learned a lot since then, but boy did I lean on you guys that first year!

Rebecca Burch
Center Valley Farm
Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA

The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and 
the brocades.  --Anonymous Costumer--


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wrote:

> From: penn...@costumegallery.com 
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
> To: "'Historical Costume'" 
> Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 1:08 AM
> So here are the questions...how did
> you find the h-costume email list?  And
> what year did you join?  It will be really interesting
> how the newbies have
> found it. 
> 
> I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on
> AOL.
> 
> Penny Ladnier, owner
> The Costume Gallery Websites
> www.costumegallery.com
> 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history
> FaceBook:
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579
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[Catherine Olanich Raymond]

On 08/08/2011 01:08 AM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote:

So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list?  And
what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the newbies have
found it.



I found the H-costume list website by searching the web shortly after I 
got a real browser (i.e., one that could handle graphics well) in 2001, 
and that's when I signed up.



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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[penny1a]

LynnD,

H-needlework was the other group that I joined at the same time as
h-costume.  I just remembered that it was 1995 when I joined...my first
costume history course in college.  I will forever be grateful to the
h-costume old-timers!

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[penny1a]

>>> As for sewing...it is the #1 hobby for women this past year.

This was on the news during the past six months.  I don't recall the actual
source.  I was just surprised to hear this.

>>>It's not just the cons, it's the battles and other big reenactment 
events. I hear people saying they are not going to as many as before.

I don't know about your location but in my area of Virginia, I have to pick
and choose which reenactments to go to...there are so many through
Christmas.  There are several in a single weekend.  I would never have to
travel more than 60 miles.  And then they start up again in April.  Our
small local historical society put on a haunted mansion tour last Halloween
season with actual stories of murders and Civil War events.  They got the
history students at the university involved with guiding the tours.
Reenactors are all over the grounds telling their stories as the groups are
guided by lantern light.   My group was about in tears at one of the Civil
War battle scenes.  This event was so successful that this event is
preformed bi-monthly and people come from all over to see it.

Blandford Cemetery, in Petersburg, VA tried this same type of event but it
was not effective...all I could think was, "I want some hot chocolate!"  It
wasn't as believable as our hististorical where you couldn't get enough of
the stories and never thought about how cold it was.   Recently, we went to
the new Sailor's Creek Battlefield State Park.  No reenactors, but one
ranger toured through home that became the union's hospital.  The ranger was
so good that the group hung on her every word and stayed after her talk for
more info.  I can't wait to see what they do for 150th Anniversary.  Most of
the reenactments here are well attended by reenactors and audience even in
extreme weather.   Our powwow season starts this month and they are very
well attended.  

Our local reenactors stay very busy.  It is not uncommon to see someone at
an event one weekend and see then in a different event & period costume the
next weekend.

 > >>(from me.)As for those of us who have costuming businesses, especially
online, 
it is always a race to keep up with what is IN & OUT. We always have to 
reinvent the wheel to stay afloat. At this moment, the social media 
seems to be the way to go

What I am meaning is by how you keep in touch with your customers.  Keeping
up with communication technology is key to any busy today.  People want your
response ASAP.   Everyone in my entire extended family has a cell phone and
texts with the exception of my blind & deaf 76 y.o. mother texting.  I read
FB family messages to her.  My adult kids sit on FB chat all day via their
cell phones. A lot of people do this.  I negotiated a contract last week via
text messages.  I don't delete my text messages, so the conversation is
saved & documented.  Society has become so dependent on fast communication.


It is sad to say, but this year  a lot of universities are going to only
online textbooks.  This discussion has been going on for a while with
educators very upset about it.  But it is the way of the future.  The
academic powers-to-be want this.  OTOH if it lowers the $1,000 textbook fees
per semester for students, I am all for it...I have three kids + two DIL in
college.  Some other things that are OUT are CDs...good luck trying to find
a good selection.  Most people go to the online outlets and download them.
DVDs are heading in the same direction with NetFlix and Hulu being so
popular.  Three of my kids do not own TVs, they watch movies and TV shows on
their laptops or smart phones.   

If I was tech savvy enough (and I am not), I would develop apps for
costuming.  There you go...someone smart enough go for it!  Just send me a
thank you card when you are rich!  I love apps!

Penny Ladnier, owner
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Marjorie Wilser]

First incarnation, then a looong hiatus due to the vicissitudes of  
life. . . and finally back again last year.


Currently in motion: fantasy costume for our local "Old Spanish Days"  
celebration. Just a skirt: I  own all the ready made blouses I need to  
go with it. It's fantasy because the whole celebration smacks of  
fantasy :)  My historical California costume is much different, but is  
out of place in the  modern event. Too bad, really!


== Marjorie Wilser

=:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:=

"Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement." --MW

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On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Lynn Downward wrote:


Yeah, h-costume an dh-needlework at about the same time, I think.
LynnD

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Franchesca >wrote:



Same here, this one in its first incarnation back in 93 or 94, then a
couple
on Aol and a bbs. :)

Franchesca


: -Original Message-
: From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-
: boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penn...@costumegallery.com
: Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:08 PM
: To: 'Historical Costume'
: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
:
: So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email  
list?

And
: what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the  
newbies

have
: found it.
:
: I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL.
:
: Penny Ladnier, owner
: The Costume Gallery Websites
: www.costumegallery.com
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lynn Downward]

Yeah, h-costume an dh-needlework at about the same time, I think.
LynnD

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Franchesca wrote:

> Same here, this one in its first incarnation back in 93 or 94, then a
> couple
> on Aol and a bbs. :)
>
> Franchesca
>
>
> : -Original Message-
> : From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-
> : boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penn...@costumegallery.com
> : Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:08 PM
> : To: 'Historical Costume'
> : Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
> :
> : So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list?
> And
> : what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the newbies
> have
> : found it.
> :
> : I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL.
> :
> : Penny Ladnier, owner
> : The Costume Gallery Websites
> : www.costumegallery.com
> : 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history
> : FaceBook:
> : http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-
> : Websites/107498415961579
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[Franchesca]

Same here, this one in its first incarnation back in 93 or 94, then a couple
on Aol and a bbs. :)

Franchesca 


: -Original Message-
: From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-
: boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penn...@costumegallery.com
: Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:08 PM
: To: 'Historical Costume'
: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
: 
: So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list?
And
: what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the newbies
have
: found it.
: 
: I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL.
: 
: Penny Ladnier, owner
: The Costume Gallery Websites
: www.costumegallery.com
: 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history
: FaceBook:
: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-
: Websites/107498415961579
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Cin]

> So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list?  And
> what year did you join?
Word of mouth from friends in the local chapter of the costumer's
guild.  I dont think the list was much more than a few weeks old at
the time.  1994?

Obligatory costume content:  not working on anything costume-y at the
moment. Just got back from Costume College & have barely got it all
laundered & put away.

The local chapter's Salon (tea party) was at my house today.  We had
all the 1910s books out so we could inspire the next round of
fashions.  In Calif, we're coming up on 100 years of Women's Sufferage
(women here got the vote rather late, in 1911).  Next year is the
centenial of the sinking of the Titanic, so there's another good
reason to think ragtime thoughts. The Art Deco festival on the Queen
Mary is quite soon and so is the Sacramento Ragtime Festival.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:08 PM,   wrote:
> So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list?  And
> what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the newbies have
> found it.
>
> I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL.

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[penny1a]

So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list?  And
what year did you join?  It will be really interesting how the newbies have
found it. 

I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL.

Penny Ladnier, owner
The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[penny1a]

Heather,

Numbers 1-6 sound like the Fashion Life Cycle!

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Catherine Olanich Raymond]

I started my own costume blog and mostly blog there, or on the costume 
blogs of other interested friends.  It can be found at:


http://cathyscostumeblog.blogspot.com/

On 08/06/2011 05:42 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:


 > I don't do Twitter, but on Facebook, there has been a lot of in depth
research type discussions going on in the two Groups I'm a part of.
Elizabethan Costume http://www.facebook.com/groups/29374273995/ (being
able to discuss with Ninya, Jane, and Melanie among many others about
different aspects of whatever photo we are discussing about has been
very enlightening.


I don't do Facebook.  I recently started an account on Google Plus, but 
I doubt I'll do serious costume discussions there.




But still, you can't post anything very long in any discussion. I'm a
member of a number of Facebook groups, and I ran into their posting
length limit immediately.

 >However, I also know that in order for me to actually Create the ideas
floating in my head, I will need to spend less time on this computer, or
those ideas won't get created. Maybe folks are spending less time online
in order to Create?

I wouldn't be surprised. It's amazing how much time the net can take up.


Amen to that.

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Cathy Raymond
ca...@thyrsus.com

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lynn Downward]

I don't post very often but I read h-costume daily. I also like the fact
that it comes to my in box and I dont' have to search for it.

I'm not on facebook or twitter or anything but email. I have only so much
time to play on the computer and I find that the few email lists I'm on are
sufficient to fill that time. I read only one blog, written by a friend with
whom I share a large community and a history; her version of the history is
from a different slant and I read her religiously almost daily.

I agre with Fran in that there are a lot of historic costumers out there who
don't know about h-costume. I've mentioned it several times in covnersation
recently and many people have asked about it; they didn't know that it's out
there.

I also believe that, since the inception of h-costume, more and more
period-specific lists are out there and they have probably siphoned off many
of the h-costume people. Kimiko's comments are a good example of that. Since
she (Kimiko, sorry about using you as an example) has previously only been
interested in the Tudor-Elizabethan periods, the conversations about 17-20C
periods are useless to her. I'm pleased she has maintained her status on
h-costume because she often has added very interesting comments and
information to our conversations. There are many other lists appropriate to
English 15-16C costuming, some that Kimiko started herself; these
lists weren't there when h-costume started up. When you add up those people
who left for more what we loosely call Ren lists  those people only
interested in 18C or 19C, you get fewer of us interested in several periods.
I'm interested in most periods between 1550 - 1950. Where else am I going to
get the information and conversations I want without going to 20 different
lists? I don't have the time to go there. H-costume covers all of them,
granted in a more-overviewed way, but there are enough of us we can still
ask a question about an Elizabethan shift and maybe Kate Bunting or someone
else very knowledgable will answer. The next day I can ask something about a
Victorian accessory and be pretty sure that someone else will have an answer
or a picture link.
LynnD

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Lavolta Press wrote:

>
>
>> Is it because costume is visual? For your other e-mail lists, are they
>> about visual arts, or can everything be expressed with writing?
>>
>
> When pictures are necessary people post links to them. But I don't think a
> picture is worth 1,000 words in costume. Usually accompanying words are
> necessary even for construction information. And, pictures can be not very
> useful for discussing social-history aspects of costume.
>
>
>
>
>> On H-costume, if someone wants to show a finished costume or a project in
>> progress, they need to direct us to a website.
>>
>
> But, there are many things to say about costume other than, "Here's what I
> am making, do you like it?"  That's one reason I like h-costume more than
> many other groups, it is less focused on personal projects.
>
>
> I enjoy H-costume as a view into what people are doing in other areas and
>> eras of costume. I like that it comes into my in-box rather than having to
>> go to various blogs or web forums.
>>
>
> I like all that too.
>
>
> Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

Is it because costume is visual? For your other e-mail lists, are they 
about visual arts, or can everything be expressed with writing?


When pictures are necessary people post links to them. But I don't think 
a picture is worth 1,000 words in costume. Usually accompanying words 
are necessary even for construction information. And, pictures can be 
not very useful for discussing social-history aspects of costume.





On H-costume, if someone wants to show a finished costume or a project 
in progress, they need to direct us to a website.


But, there are many things to say about costume other than, "Here's what 
I am making, do you like it?"  That's one reason I like h-costume more 
than many other groups, it is less focused on personal projects.


I enjoy H-costume as a view into what people are doing in other areas 
and eras of costume. I like that it comes into my in-box rather than 
having to go to various blogs or web forums.


I like all that too.

Fran
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[Carol Kocian]

On Aug 7, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

Yet, some noncostuming email lists I am on are so active, every  
single day, that there is no way I can follow all the messages.   
including a couple of majordomo lists.



Is it because costume is visual? For your other e-mail lists, are  
they about visual arts, or can everything be expressed with writing?


On H-costume, if someone wants to show a finished costume or a  
project in progress, they need to direct us to a website. At first it  
was something like Flickr or their own web page, and later a blog.  
Blogs and facebook, on the other hand, have the capability built into  
the system to share images.


With a picture being worth 1000 words, it's faster to post images  
with captions than it is to type out the description.


So, rather than write a post to H-costume and set up a link for the  
photos, people can share in just the one place and be done with it.  
In the case of one Yahoogroup, there is a member who posts several  
times a week — the link for her blog. She doesn't share significant  
info on the Yahoogroup.


I enjoy H-costume as a view into what people are doing in other areas  
and eras of costume. I like that it comes into my in-box rather than  
having to go to various blogs or web forums.


Even on facebook, I often miss things. I thought I had "liked"  
Penny's facebook but did not remember seeing any posts from it. I  
double checked and it is there, unfortunately not close to times that  
I would look at facebook so I would miss the posts that way. I see  
more about The Costume Gallery on H-costume than I do on facebook.


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[Lavolta Press]

On 8/7/2011 4:01 AM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote:

A lot of people
are still out of work.  People were sending a lot of posts from work.
People may have backed off of doing so, probably scared they might lose
their jobs if caught.  Many businesses are also monitoring employees emails
too.

That's an interesting theory.

I keep up with Facebook several times a day because it is on my phone and
laptop.  I don't receive email on my phone because of 300+ spam messages
that I receive a day.


True, that matters for many people. I don't even have a cell phone. I 
don't need one. I spend a lot more time on my computer than on the phone.




As for the FB length problem, I post the limit of
words and inform people to look in the comments area for more info.


True, I just find it very annoying to hunt through truncated or 
concealed posts.




I don't get into blogs.  I think they are great for some people, but I just
never got into it.  BTW, from the DC professional IT email list...blogs have
been on their way out for over a year.


Why?  Plenty of people want their own forum where they can just write an 
essay about whatever they want and post it. Of course, blogs are a lot 
of trouble to keep up. I think businesses are now using Facebook more, 
if all they want is to post briefly to keep in touch with customers. 
Blogs are very time consuming.




As for sewing...it is the #1 hobby for women this past year.


Where'd you hear that?

>Maybe you can contact the costuming events for some stats. I know 
Comic-Con was a huge success last month. Dragon*Con is expecting between 
35,000 to 50,000 people over Labor Day weekend. If I get to go to 
Dragon*Con, I will let you know. I didn't notice any change in the 
amount of people at Costume-Con for the past three years...but the 
people in the know are on h-costume.


It's not just the cons, it's the battles and other big reenactment 
events. I hear people saying they are not going to as many as before.


> As for those of us who have costuming businesses, especially online, 
it is always a race to keep up with what is IN & OUT. We always have to 
reinvent the wheel to stay afloat. At this moment, the social media 
seems to be the way to g


To be honest, Penny, I think you are applying attitudes about modern 
clothing fashions to technology. Also, email lists, blogs, and website 
b-boards ARE social media. They may be a different format than Facebook, 
but they are social media.


Fran
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[Lavolta Press]

> Though I have not been vocal for long stretches of time, I have been 
on this list for about 7 or 8 years. I know many of you have been around 
for much longer. And I am sure that this was once the best place for 
everyone to congregate and share and explore the topic together. But as 
technology has moved forward, email lists are a dying breed.


Beteena,

Yet, some noncostuming email lists I am on are so active, every single 
day, that there is no way I can follow all the messages.  including a 
couple of majordomo lists.


Having worked in  high-tech for many years, I also disagree with you 
that technological innovations are (a) always inherently better than the 
previous ones and (b) always replace the previous ones.  In other words, 
I don't think change is inherently good. Or bad, but I don't believe we 
are marching ever forward toward a continuously better world.


I agree that fewer people post on h-costume, but let me put forth an 
idea. It is just harder to find majordomo groups than it is to find 
groups on a site with a search function.  (For example, Yahoo has a 
search function, Facebook has one, and so on. H-costume is just hanging 
out there. ) This may well be the reason many of your friends are not on 
h-costume--they never heard of it. So, one idea is to just get on other 
groups and tell them about h-costume and how to sign up. That's how I 
joined h-costume to begin with--the moderator announced it on a vintage 
clothing email list.


Fran
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[Heather Rose Jones]

On Aug 7, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Beteena Paradise wrote:



> Though I have not been vocal for long stretches of time, I have been on this 
> list for about 7 or 8 years. I know many of you have been around for much 
> longer. And I am sure that this was once the best place for everyone to 
> congregate and share and explore the topic together. But as technology has 
> moved 
> forward, email lists are a dying breed.

In my opinion, this is a key factor in what is going on.  _All_ internet 
social/topical-communications contexts are in a constant state of flux.  The 
activity and nature of each context is shaped not only by the structure of the 
interface (e.g., mailing list vs. usenet vs. blogs vs. organized 
blog-communities like LJ) and what types of interactions that interface 
encourages or discourages, enables or makes difficult -- but it's also shaped 
by the nature and trajectory of the group of people participating in it. 

 Is is growing, static, or shrinking?  What is the ratio of old-timers versus 
newcomers?  What is the ratio of substantive posts versus spam and trolling?  
Is the number of participates large enough to make a "critical mass" that keeps 
conversations going?  Is it so large that people give up on keeping up with 
everything and leave or skim?  

How general versus specialized is it?  Does that level of specificity match 
what people are looking for?  How many other contexts are there for the same 
topic, whether in other types of online structures or duplicated in the same 
structure?  (E.g., Usenet was very strict about preventing duplication of topic 
or overspecialization, but mailing lists and places like LJ may have dozens of 
contexts with an identical purpose.)

My own personal observation has been that pretty much every type of online 
discussion context goes through a similar trajectory:

1. The context is brand new and shiny and lots of people flock to it.  New 
people are constantly joining and there is a lot of conversation.

2. The context matures and stabilizes.  Units that fail to reach critical mass 
wither and die, but units that are vibrant and healthy form a sense of social 
unity and cohesion.  This tends to be the point  participates enjoy most and it 
is looked back on later as a Golden Age.

3. The context starts to feel over-large and bloated.  Many people -- often 
those with the most expertise and knowledge -- start to feel it is taking up 
too much of their time and they begin to withdraw.  Hot-button topics begin to 
recycle regularly.  If the security structure of the context allows for it, 
spam and other annoying commercialisms begin to expand in the proportion of 
content they take up.

4. The shiny newness has worn off.  For a variety of reasons (which would be 
another entire essay) a much smaller proportion of the content is new and 
substantive.  People participate less (contributing to the previous) and begin 
looking for a new place to get the same feeling they had in stage 2.

5. The context starts feeling like an abandoned urban center.  Depending on the 
structure, security architecture, and level of moderation, it may simply be 
full of abandoned buildings or it may be the haunt of metaphoric drug dealers 
and muggers.  A few remnants of the original population hang on, hoping that 
things will get back to what they were, but they don't have the energy or the 
critical mass to turn it around.

6. But the inhabitants have gone _somewhere_.  They just may be living a very 
different lifestyle, due to the structural differences in the new context 
they're inhabiting.

I have a much more extended version of this set of observations on my Live 
Journal here: 

http://hrj.livejournal.com/82752.html

and a follow-up here:

http://hrj.livejournal.com/92871.html

How's that for self-referentiality?

But I guess my overall comment is "Nothing is permanent on the internet except 
change.  This cycle of growth and decay has happened to absolutely every type 
of internet forum and is as natural a consequence of the nature of the medium 
as the forum's original growth and vibrancy was."

Heather
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Beteena Paradise]

There is actually a large and thriving historic costuming community. I just 
don't think they are represented on this list. With no insult intended for 
anyone, I think what is dying is this list rather than historic 
costuming/reenactment community. Of all of the people I know in my own 
worldwide 
costuming circle (that sounded rather self-important lol but you know what I 
meant), I think only 1 is on this list. There are others who I know as friends 
of friends or by seeing them posting on communities that are on this list (Like 
Susan Farmer and Kimiko), but for the most part, they are not represented here 
either. Some were and left for various reasons and now are active on other 
mediums.

Though I have not been vocal for long stretches of time, I have been on this 
list for about 7 or 8 years. I know many of you have been around for much 
longer. And I am sure that this was once the best place for everyone to 
congregate and share and explore the topic together. But as technology has 
moved 
forward, email lists are a dying breed.

Teena




From: A. Thurman 
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Sent: Sun, August 7, 2011 4:23:32 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

I don't think costuming is going out of style - far from it. Younger
people tend not to do historic costuming, but there does seem to be a
huge interest in sci-fi/anime character costuming (cosplay) and
events/mailing lists/other internet to match. Could be we're just not
seeing them here.


Allison T.

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[A. Thurman]

> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:37:22 -0700
> From: Lavolta Press 
> To: Historical Costume 
> Subject: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
> Message-ID: <4e3d97f2.6060...@lavoltapress.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> For well over a year, I've been noticing a relative scarcity of posts on
> pretty much every costume-related mailing list and bulletin board of
> which I am a member (several dozen).  Many of these groups, including
> h-costume, were formerly very active. The general, noncostume sewing
> groups are an exception--they seem to be as active as ever.
>
> I don't really consider Facebook a substitute because their message
> limits and format don't cater to either long messages or complicated
> interchanges.

Facebook and the like are other communication tools and I do use them,
but they are just that - tools, and no one is a replacement for the
others. (Tangential - do feel free to look for me on Facebook and
Google+ - as far as I know there are no costume communities on G+ yet
but I'd love to be proven wrong!).
>
> Is costuming going out of style, as it were?  Is reenactment less
> popular? Are people traveling less to events because of the recession,
> therefore making fewer outfits for attending events, therefore not
> discussing those projects?  Is everyone hanging out on new lists I've
> never heard of?  Where ARE all the costumers hanging out, if not on
> h-costume?

I don't think costuming is going out of style - far from it. Younger
people tend not to do historic costuming, but there does seem to be a
huge interest in sci-fi/anime character costuming (cosplay) and
events/mailing lists/other internet to match. Could be we're just not
seeing them here.

For my own self, I still read H-costume regularly but haven't posted
lately because I am not costuming as much as I used to. My other hobby
is competitive fencing and it eats a lot of my time both for making
things and going to events. I AM going to try and make Dress U in
Philly next June provided it doesn't conflict with major competitions.

There's also the factor that when I do sew I'm usually trying to
complete an outfit (several pieces) instead of experimenting, so I
suspect that part of the reason I've gone silent is sticking to tried
and true = fewer questions (which also means I'm not challenging
myself enough, but that's another post :P)
>
> Fran
> Lavolta Press
> Books on making historic clothing
> www.lavoltapress.com
> www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress

Allison T.

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Judy Mitchell]

When you guys are talking about LiveJournal and Facebook being only 
replying to something the page owner posted.. you are completely 
forgetting about the 'community page' option! I know Lj has community 
pages, I've been moderator on a couple (though pretty inactive). and I'm 
on a few FB community pages as well. Anyone can post without it having 
to be a reply - which means that anyone can start a thread that others 
can reply/comment on.


I'm not on LiveJournal (Lj) much these days, it seems to be having a 
whole lot of problems and may be dying since the Russians bought it, but 
I do a lot on Facebook.


It can be a little awkward trying to carry on multiple threads, but it 
can be done. For example: suppose there's a group on 18th cent women's 
clothes on Facebook (FB). A member makes a comment about stays. 18 
people make follow-up comments! they are all kept together with the 
original question as a big block! after a few replies, FB will only show 
maybe the last 2 or 3 comments and everything in between you have to 
click to view. But, someone else can make a post about whether to wear 
your corset in view or not (believe me, I've seen it at public events, 
and before Steampunk - they thought the shortgown was optional) and 
people making tons of replies. If you then go to the community page, you 
will see both original posts and the last comment or two and can choose 
which thread you want to go in and comment on (or both). So you can 
still see the discussions, but they are kept contained for easier 
following. No, there will not be a lot on the page at one time 
(depending on how busy the posting is), but there is a link at the 
bottom of the page for 'older posts' and you can click through that.


If someone sets the rules for the community page that no OT discussions 
will be allowed (no talking about your pets, unless you are putting 
historic clothes on them, or about your plumbing...) then you keep it 
that way.


It's just done all on the web instead of by email. YOu can even make 
your community page locked down and 'secret' so someone can only join if 
invited, and it won't show up on a search - some groups like that.


-Judy Mitchell
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[penny1a]

I have been following online trends for years.  As for the slow time on
email lists & web, July/August and November/December are slow months.  This
is due to holidays/vacations months.  The busiest months are Sept., Oct.,
Jan.-March.  Sept-Oct is due to Halloween and schools/colleges going back
into session.  The dead of winter months are the second busiest
time...especially in locations that receive a lot of snow.   This trend has
occurred every year since the mid-1990s.   

Current events really do take its toll on how much time we spend online.
After 9-11 you could hear a pin drop on email lists for months.   All of the
costuming email lists were so quiet.  Since 2008, when the economy started
getting bad, email lists have been receiving less traffic.  A lot of people
are still out of work.  People were sending a lot of posts from work.
People may have backed off of doing so, probably scared they might lose
their jobs if caught.  Many businesses are also monitoring employees emails
too.  Two of my adult kids do not have internet in their homes and do all
internet over their smart phones.

Presently, I am on six email lists that are active, USITT costumers,
h-costume, 19thCWomen, h-needlework, professional DC webmasters, and a
genealogy list.  I know that treadle-on is still very active...a little too
active for me.  Loved it, but there were just too many posts to keep up
with.

I keep up with Facebook several times a day because it is on my phone and
laptop.  I don't receive email on my phone because of 300+ spam messages
that I receive a day.   I have personal and business FB pages.   Some of my
costuming friends float on both pages.  We had a fun fashion/costuming chat
back and forth on my personal page Friday night.  I don't know why, but a
lot of costuming people find me first on my personal page.  Then I send them
a private message inviting them to "like" my business page.   I can't post
on others FB pages as my business which is a pain.   My business FB page
relates to fashion and any kind of costume.  There, I pass along a lot of
events, job announcements, and interesting webpages.  I don't want business
FB page to be just about my business.Once in a while, I have a contest
and give away something.   As for the FB length problem, I post the limit of
words and inform people to look in the comments area for more info.

I don't get into blogs.  I think they are great for some people, but I just
never got into it.  BTW, from the DC professional IT email list...blogs have
been on their way out for over a year.

As for sewing...it is the #1 hobby for women this past year.  More women are
sewing their own clothes or reconstructing clothes than in the past few
decades.  Second-hand clothing stores are doing well too.  Some of these
increases are due to the antique type and fashion designer shows on TV.
American Pickers is coming out with a show for interior design that starts
this month.   Another trend to look at is an increase of stay-at-home
parents in the 20-30 y.o. demographic.  I can go through my personal FB
friends and surprised by this increase...and a good many are sewing!  This
group are not float overs for costumers...these are friends of my kids and
nieces.

As for traveling...According to AAA more people are traveling on vacations
this year than in the past two years.  This was a good indicator of people
have adjusted to higher gas prices and such.  I do expect after last week's
events with the economy that people are leery again.   Maybe you can contact
the costuming events for some stats.  I know Comic-Con was a huge success
last month.  Dragon*Con is expecting between 35,000 to 50,000 people over
Labor Day weekend.If I get to go to Dragon*Con, I will let you know.  I
didn't notice any change in the amount of people at Costume-Con for the past
three years...but the people in the know are on h-costume.  Maybe they can
chime with their stats.

As for those of us who have costuming businesses, especially online, it is
always a race to keep up with what is IN & OUT.  We always have to reinvent
the wheel to stay afloat.   At this moment, the social media seems to be the
way to go.
  
Penny Ladnier, owner
The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

On 8/6/2011 5:23 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:

No, it doesn't really work like that. All of my costuming friends on LJ, of
which there are many, post similar to a handwritten diary. So some days it is
about how they can't get a seam right and the next day it is about their cat or
whatever. (Some people have separate journals for personal and costuming, some
mix both into one). It is a diary not an "official" blog like, say, The Duchess
of Devonshire's Gossip Guide to the 18th Century or Perez Hilton or whatever.


Well, my observation is that on their personal blogs, people post 
whatever they want. Sometimes it is all related to a theme, sometimes 
not. The LiveJournal ones I have read are no different that the ones 
hosted by services other than LiveJournal.  I do have to say that since 
what I look for is content, I am turned off by blogs that are how to do 
something costume related one day, and the blogger's struggles with how 
to fix their kitchen faucet another day.




All of us comment on each others diary posts both costume related and not. We
have a friends page which lists all of the posts our friends have made. It is a
very strong support system of like minded individuals.


That confirms that you and I want quite different things, which is fine. 
I'm not interested in strictly personal posts and feel no need for a 
"support system." Just on e-groups with consistent, targeted, 
substantive information on topics of interest to me.


We are basically agreeing here:  Blogs, and comments on them, encourage 
different kinds of interaction than groups like h-costume.


Fran
Lavolta Press
Books on making historic clothing
www.lavoltapress.com
www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress


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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Beteena Paradise]

No, it doesn't really work like that. All of my costuming friends on LJ, of 
which there are many, post similar to a handwritten diary. So some days it is 
about how they can't get a seam right and the next day it is about their cat or 
whatever. (Some people have separate journals for personal and costuming, some 
mix both into one). It is a diary not an "official" blog like, say, The Duchess 
of Devonshire's Gossip Guide to the 18th Century or Perez Hilton or whatever. 
All of us comment on each others diary posts both costume related and not. We 
have a friends page which lists all of the posts our friends have made. It is a 
very strong support system of like minded individuals. 

So for example, where on the h-cost list, you could email and say "Oh look at 
this new book about warnshnaggles that I found today!" and people would respond 
to it. One of us could post to our LJ the same message and all of them respond 
to it. Same for asking for help on how to fix a wrinkled corset or bodice that 
is pulling under the arms or whatever. 

In addition to personal journals like that, there are communties such as 
dressdiaries or lamodeillustree or costumesnark or whatever. There are tons of 
them. They are groups where any member can post something related to the 
specific community and the members of that community can comment on them. These 
will show up on the above mentioned friends lists if you want.




From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 10:26:11 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

Beteena,

I've read a fair number of LJ posts. I still think both LJ and other blog 
formats work like this:

One person (or a group of people who have assembled for the long term 
specifically to post the blog entries) posts on a regular and/or frequent 
basis. 
The post is like a short magazine article or essay.

Then, other people comment on the post.  Many of the comments are on the "Great 
work!" or "I agree!" lines.  Some are substantive, but even so, not  usually 
more than a paragraph or two long.

I would argue that this is a different format from a discussion group like 
h-costume, where anyone can broach any subject at any time, and it is easy for 
multiple people to engage in each discussion. If in a blog format, one person 
is 
responding to another's blog on his/her own blog,  and then people have to 
respond to that post, it's just a lot harder for this to be a general 
discussion 
where everyone can tell what is going on.

That does not mean I am "attacking" LiveJournal.  I'm saying that a blog 
format, 
where one person provides most of the content and others respond to it, is 
different from a  more general discussion group.  I am also not against hanging 
out in a community for the sake of doing so. It's just that I personally am not 
interested in doing that.

Fran
Lavolta Press
www.lavoltapress.com

On 8/6/2011 2:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:
> The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a
> journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs
> and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack 
so
> some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off 
>the
> top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open
> as the format of it is more conducive to community.
> 
> Teena
> 
> 
> 
> ________________
> From: Lavolta Press
> To: Historical Costume
> Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
> 
> 
> Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them
> used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of
> the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.
> 
> I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or 
"belonging
> to a community."
> 
> Fran
> Lavolta Press
> www.lavoltapress.com
> www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress
> 
> 
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Susan B. Farmer]

On 8/6/2011 7:08 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:

Geez. I'm even more out of it than I thought I was. i thought all I was
missing out on was facebook and twitter (and texting). Now I see it's
Live Journal too. When do people find time to do all this computerized
social networking and have a life?



Life?  Actually, many of my students interact with me preferentially 
through facebook rather than traditional email.  But then, teaching eats 
anything resembling much of a life for me!  :-(  (I love teaching, don't 
get me wrong; I just miss having time to do things other than grade 
papers for 250 students!)


Susan
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Sylvia Rognstad]

Geez.  I'm even more out of it than I thought I was.  i thought all I  
was missing out on was facebook and twitter (and texting).  Now I see  
it's Live Journal too.  When do people find time to do all this  
computerized social networking and have a life?




Sylvia Rognstad
Costume/clothing design & construction
Alterations & home dec
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On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote:


On 8/6/2011 5:17 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
I never even heard of this live journal thing. i know you said  
what it

is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works. Is it
different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs?

LiveJournal and DreamWidth have the idea of "Friends Lists" (or  
Reading Lists) down to a fine art.  You subscribe (for lack of a  
better word) to folks that you want to follow (like Kimiko, for  
instance), and then on your "Reading" page, all their entries show  
it.  It's **MUCH** micer/easier (IMO) to follow than a bunch of  
different blogs.  They all come to one place.  I also think it's  
easier to have a discussion on LJ or DW than it is on most blogs  
because of the way the comments are structured.  It's very easy to  
follow a comment thread there.


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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Kimiko Small]

On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
> But still, you can't post anything very long in any discussion. I'm a member 
> of a number of Facebook groups, and I ran into their posting length limit 
> immediately.


Quite true. It is more suitable for back and forth short chatting and sharing 
of ideas, than long-length pontificating from one person, which is appropriate 
more for a mailing list like this, or a blog. I think one can use a Document 
for longer content but that doesn't go as well in replies it seems. But it does 
allow for edits from multiple people in the Group.

Perhaps a Google+ account is more your style? It seems a cross between a blog 
and FB, and I don't recall reading there being a length limit to posts or 
replies. And no apps/games to distract you. You can also limit your commentary 
to those you decide to put into your Circle of friends, which can be whoever 
you want. I've not done much there yet, and there are problems there since it 
is in early stages, but it is an option.

So much variety nowadays, no wonder some of the older methods are not so 
hopping.

Kimiko


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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Susan B. Farmer]

On 8/6/2011 5:26 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

Beteena,

I've read a fair number of LJ posts. I still think both LJ and other
blog formats work like this:

One person (or a group of people who have assembled for the long term
specifically to post the blog entries) posts on a regular and/or
frequent basis. The post is like a short magazine article or essay.

Then, other people comment on the post. Many of the comments are on the
"Great work!" or "I agree!" lines. Some are substantive, but even so,
not usually more than a paragraph or two long.

I would argue that this is a different format from a discussion group
like h-costume, where anyone can broach any subject at any time, and it
is easy for multiple people to engage in each discussion. If in a blog
format, one person is responding to another's blog on his/her own blog,
and then people have to respond to that post, it's just a lot harder for
this to be a general discussion where everyone can tell what is going on.



Oh, very much so.  Here, anybody can start a discussion about anything. 
 There, "you" have to respond to what "I" say.


Each of the venues, Facebook, Journaling sites, Blogging sites and even 
Discussion Boards have their own intended purpose and methods of 
interacting.  I suspect it's just the summer heat and a temporary lull 
in the lists.  It happens to all lists from time to time.


And as somebody, Kimiko?, mentioned, Costume College was last weekend. 
Folks are probably recovering!


Susan


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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Susan B. Farmer]

On 8/6/2011 5:17 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:

I never even heard of this live journal thing. i know you said what it
is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works. Is it
different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs?

LiveJournal and DreamWidth have the idea of "Friends Lists" (or Reading 
Lists) down to a fine art.  You subscribe (for lack of a better word) to 
folks that you want to follow (like Kimiko, for instance), and then on 
your "Reading" page, all their entries show it.  It's **MUCH** 
micer/easier (IMO) to follow than a bunch of different blogs.  They all 
come to one place.  I also think it's easier to have a discussion on LJ 
or DW than it is on most blogs because of the way the comments are 
structured.  It's very easy to follow a comment thread there.


Susan/ jerusha/ FlorentineScot
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sfar...@goldsword.com
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Susan B. Farmer]

On 8/6/2011 5:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:

The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a
journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs
and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so
some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the
top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open
as the format of it is more conducive to community.

DreamWidth -- and I do have a few invite codes if anybody wants to 
escape the DDos from the Russian Politics of LiveJournal.


susan/FlorentineScot
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[Lavolta Press]

The other thing is, fake IDs really bug me. Everyone has legitimate 
concerns about the safety of themselves and their property. I think it's 
a bad idea to post publicly, anywhere, either that you will be leaving 
your house empty or that you own very expensive, easily resalable 
property. Also, to post nude or suggestive photos. Whether you use a 
fake ID or not, it's all too easy for professional thieves and 
psychopaths to use this information. After all, your street address is 
probably readily available on the net.


And I can see why trolls adopt fake IDs when they post for the sole 
purpose of upsetting people.


But, I have never understood why so many people neither post their real 
names nor give any idea who they really are. I can't see how refusing to 
say who you are promotes community--quite the reverse. I am, by the way, 
aware that tons of people seem to disagree.


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On 8/6/2011 2:41 PM, Kimiko Small wrote:

I mentioned my two FB Groups that I enjoy.

On LiveJournal, I've got too many feeds and blogs that I enjoy, but one that I 
think really helps feed the creative soul for costuming is DressDiaries
http://dressdiaries.livejournal.com/
It is open to anyone who wants to share how they created whatever costume or 
costume accessory they are working on. Most folks are cross posting from their 
own LJ or other blog, but it can be interesting and educational in seeing how 
folks create X, from historical to fantastical. Just follow the community rules 
in posting is all we admins ask.

Kimiko


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On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:


Maybe people could post links to their favorite blogs or other groups and 
mention what era(s) or areas the group focuses on?

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[Lavolta Press]

> I don't do Twitter, but on Facebook, there has been a lot of in depth 
research type discussions going on in the two Groups I'm a part of. 
Elizabethan Costume http://www.facebook.com/groups/29374273995/ (being 
able to discuss with Ninya, Jane, and Melanie among many others about 
different aspects of whatever photo we are discussing about has been 
very enlightening.


But still, you can't post anything very long in any discussion. I'm a 
member of a number of Facebook groups, and I ran into their posting 
length limit immediately.


>However, I also know that in order for me to actually Create the ideas 
floating in my head, I will need to spend less time on this computer, or 
those ideas won't get created. Maybe folks are spending less time online 
in order to Create?


I wouldn't be surprised. It's amazing how much time the net can take up.

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[Kimiko Small]

I mentioned my two FB Groups that I enjoy.

On LiveJournal, I've got too many feeds and blogs that I enjoy, but one that I 
think really helps feed the creative soul for costuming is DressDiaries
http://dressdiaries.livejournal.com/
It is open to anyone who wants to share how they created whatever costume or 
costume accessory they are working on. Most folks are cross posting from their 
own LJ or other blog, but it can be interesting and educational in seeing how 
folks create X, from historical to fantastical. Just follow the community rules 
in posting is all we admins ask.

Kimiko


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On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

> Maybe people could post links to their favorite blogs or other groups and 
> mention what era(s) or areas the group focuses on?

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[Kimiko Small]

On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

> No one else has to respond to keep the blog going. And the formats of 
> Facebook and Twitter basically encourage announcements rather than 
> discussions.

I don't do Twitter, but on Facebook, there has been a lot of in depth research 
type discussions going on in the two Groups I'm a part of.
Elizabethan Costume
http://www.facebook.com/groups/29374273995/
(being able to discuss with Ninya, Jane, and Melanie among many others about 
different aspects of whatever photo we are discussing about has been very 
enlightening. I think it is the ability to add in a photo shared by someone, 
and then discuss aspects of what is seen in that photo, that really adds an 
element that is harder to do on an email list.)
Historic Hand Embroidery (which I just started two days ago and it is pretty 
hopping right now, mostly on sweete bags and elizabethan coifs, but other era 
garments/embroidery is welcome)
http://www.facebook.com/groups/156337781110182/

The new Group format allows for photo posting, some basic documents (but that 
is glitchy), and fast response times which can keep me on the computer longer 
than expected. What I found is that if you create a group, invite a few friends 
you know are interested in the topic, that people with interest in that group 
show up rather quickly to be included. You might search to see if there is a 
Group already created and of interest to you, or make your own for your own 
interests. If you make your own, I suggest making it Closed so it doesn't spam 
friends who aren't on that list, but leave the accepting of new members open to 
other members so folks can be easily added by other members (I may close mine 
in a few weeks to just the admins, or if we get someone that is a putz.)

However, I also know that in order for me to actually Create the ideas floating 
in my head, I will need to spend less time on this computer, or those ideas 
won't get created. Maybe folks are spending less time online in order to Create?

>  In late 2008 I was wondering whether people would costume more (more 
> involuntary free time, because they'd been laid off) or less (because travel 
> to events is expensive and I notice many people saying they are now skipping 
> events they used to travel to). My guess is they are costuming less than 
> before the crash.  I am not sure that purchase of supplies is as large an 
> expense factor as event travel. I'm seeing people on both costuming and 
> mainstream sewing groups saying how glad they are for their fabric stashes to 
> draw on.

The friends I read on LJ, and the community posters, have all mentioned doing a 
heavy draw on their stashes for awhile. I know I'm still working more from my 
stash as well and only buying a few items to add finishing touches from my 
stash items. But while folks are talking about not traveling as much, they are 
still traveling to events dear to their hearts - so fewer events, and fewer 
shopping for new stuff, but the commentary about making things seems to be just 
as active, as is recycling old materials into new items that is also coming up 
more often. I know that folks at Costume College have plans for next year's 
costuming and are very excited from their ideas. So, to my perspective, people 
are still doing stuff, making stuff, just adjusting to this new financial 
situation best they can.

> Anyway, I really like h-costume because it is multi-era, and one of the more 
> substantive groups. I'm interested in many periods.

I agree, even if my focus is mainly on 16th century. I have always liked this 
group and have no plans on leaving. In fact, I've realized that I need to break 
out of the 16th c. rut I am in, and branch out into other time periods, 
including fantasy/sci-fi, which often has a basis in historical styles. Fran, I 
bought one of your books recently to help me do just that. I know I'll end up 
having questions on other eras soon enough.

Kimiko


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[Lavolta Press]

LiveJournal is just a blog host.  Members can join as many blogs as they 
want and then comment on those blogs.


Fran
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On 8/6/2011 2:17 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
I never even heard of this live journal thing.  i know you said what 
it is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works.  Is 
it different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs?




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On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:


The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a
journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others 
personal blogs
and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of 
attack so
some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the 
name off the
top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ 
journals open

as the format of it is more conducive to community.

Teena




From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically 
see them
used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides 
most of

the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.

I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or 
"belonging

to a community."

Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

Beteena,

I've read a fair number of LJ posts. I still think both LJ and other 
blog formats work like this:


One person (or a group of people who have assembled for the long term 
specifically to post the blog entries) posts on a regular and/or 
frequent basis. The post is like a short magazine article or essay.


Then, other people comment on the post.  Many of the comments are on the 
"Great work!" or "I agree!" lines.  Some are substantive, but even so, 
not  usually more than a paragraph or two long.


I would argue that this is a different format from a discussion group 
like h-costume, where anyone can broach any subject at any time, and it 
is easy for multiple people to engage in each discussion. If in a blog 
format, one person is responding to another's blog on his/her own blog,  
and then people have to respond to that post, it's just a lot harder for 
this to be a general discussion where everyone can tell what is going on.


That does not mean I am "attacking" LiveJournal.  I'm saying that a blog 
format, where one person provides most of the content and others respond 
to it, is different from a  more general discussion group.  I am also 
not against hanging out in a community for the sake of doing so. It's 
just that I personally am not interested in doing that.


Fran
Lavolta Press
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On 8/6/2011 2:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:

The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a
journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs
and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so
some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the
top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open
as the format of it is more conducive to community.

Teena




From: Lavolta Press
To: Historical Costume
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them
used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of
the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.

I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or "belonging
to a community."

Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Sylvia Rognstad]

I never even heard of this live journal thing.  i know you said what  
it is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works.  Is  
it different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs?




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Costume/clothing design & construction
Alterations & home dec
http://www.ezzyworld.com




On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:


The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a
journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others  
personal blogs
and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot  
of attack so
some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the  
name off the
top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ  
journals open

as the format of it is more conducive to community.

Teena




From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically  
see them
used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/ 
provides most of

the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.

I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat"  
or "belonging

to a community."

Fran
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[Beteena Paradise]

The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a 
journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs 
and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so 
some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off 
the 
top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open 
as the format of it is more conducive to community. 

Teena




From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them 
used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of 
the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.

I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or "belonging 
to a community."

Fran
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[Lavolta Press]

On 8/6/2011 2:01 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
I myself can't seem to get into blogs or facebook (except to try to 
promote my belly dance veils).  Maybe it's just that I haven't a clue 
how to find what I might be looking for.



Maybe people could post links to their favorite blogs or other groups 
and mention what era(s) or areas the group focuses on?


Fran
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[Lavolta Press]

>II find email groups are taking up too much of my time and its easier 
to keep tabs on blogs and facebook for now.




That's one thing I was wondering about.  Is the enthusiasm for lots of 
back-and-forth discussion waning because of the time it takes?  Blogs 
are very time consuming too, but mostly for the blog owner.  No one else 
has to respond to keep the blog going. And the formats of Facebook and 
Twitter basically encourage announcements rather than discussions.


The other thing I was wondering about is, I saw a decline in egroup 
posts starting soon after the 2008 stock market/housing crash.  Traffic 
has not really bounced back, but then, neither has the economy. In late 
2008 I was wondering whether people would costume more (more involuntary 
free time, because they'd been laid off) or less (because travel to 
events is expensive and I notice many people saying they are now 
skipping events they used to travel to). My guess is they are costuming 
less than before the crash.  I am not sure that purchase of supplies is 
as large an expense factor as event travel. I'm seeing people on both 
costuming and mainstream sewing groups saying how glad they are for 
their fabric stashes to draw on.


Anyway, I really like h-costume because it is multi-era, and one of the 
more substantive groups. I'm interested in many periods.


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[Sylvia Rognstad]

I myself can't seem to get into blogs or facebook (except to try to  
promote my belly dance veils).  Maybe it's just that I haven't a clue  
how to find what I might be looking for.  I am not interested in one  
particular area of costuming so I'm not aware of what's out there.   
What I have always liked about this email list and the theatrical  
costuming list is that they are 2 places I can go to easily when i  
have a question.There's usually at least one person on one of the  
2 lists that knows the answer.  I love these lists and would hate to  
see them go, but I do understand people wanting more specific areas  
that address their own particular concern.


Btw, while I'm at it,and since we're discussing facebook,  any belly  
dancers out there?  Please check out my facebook page where I sell  
the hand-dyed silk veils i make.  Is it ok to promote ourselves on  
this list, I hope?


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Emeralds-Belly-Dance-veils-etc/ 
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On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

>But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a  
variety of costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems  
with all the new technology out there, times change along with the  
various formats available to communicate with.


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically  
see them used more as  form of journalism (one person posts  
regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly  
comment) rather than discussion.


I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat"  
or "belonging to a community."


Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Aylwen Gardiner-Garden]

I'm travelling right now, seeing costumes and dancing in all places, just
saw an amazing collection outside of Copenhagen. I'm planning to do less on
email groups when I get back and focus more on my blog and using it to keep
me honest and producing more reproductions and research. I find email groups
are taking up too much of my time and its easier to keep tabs on blogs and
facebook for now.
But then, I have three children also competing for my time, so I can't speak
for everyone.
Cheers,
Aylwen
http://aylwen.blogspot.com

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Lavolta Press  wrote:

> >But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a variety
> of costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems with all the new
> technology out there, times change along with the various formats available
> to communicate with.
>
> Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see
> them used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides
> most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.
>
> I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or
> "belonging to a community."
>
> Fran
> Lavolta Press
>
> www.lavoltapress.com
> www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress
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[Lavolta Press]

>But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a 
variety of costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems with 
all the new technology out there, times change along with the various 
formats available to communicate with.


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see 
them used more as  form of journalism (one person posts 
regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) 
rather than discussion.


I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or 
"belonging to a community."


Fran
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[Kimiko Small]

Maybe it was that so many costumers were at Costume College last weekend??

Would you believe that some of us are actually congregating on Facebook? Their 
new Groups format is actually making things somewhat easier to chat about 
Elizabethan costumes at least. Traffic and conversations ebb and flow with some 
days full of new conversations, and some days rather quiet.

Some folks are heading to blogs, such as on old LiveJournal (LJ), when it is 
not under DDOS attacks from the Russian Government (which is why a number of 
new blogs are being formed elsewhere and there is less traffic on LJ than 
formerly). I couldn't tell you which blogs to join, as most are focused on a 
specific time frame or interest, and so it is up to you as to which blogs you 
want to follow. LJ helped to make all those blogs into a community, with easy 
friending, and community blogs, which is why I like being there. I am also 
pondering going to a different blog format because of the LJ problems, but will 
repost to my old LJ accounts.

Some folks are going to Google+, but I'm still not sure if I like things there. 
Some may be hanging around on Forums of all sorts, but which ones I don't know 
as I don't do many forums.

But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a variety of 
costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems with all the new 
technology out there, times change along with the various formats available to 
communicate with.

Kimiko


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On Aug 6, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

>   Where ARE all the costumers hanging out, if not on h-costume?

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[Lavolta Press]

Which blogs?

Fran

On 8/6/2011 1:00 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:

Lots of people on blogs.



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[Beteena Paradise]

Lots of people on blogs. 




From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 8:37:22 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

For well over a year, I've been noticing a relative scarcity of posts on pretty 
much every costume-related mailing list and bulletin board of which I am a 
member (several dozen).  Many of these groups, including h-costume, were 
formerly very active. The general, noncostume sewing groups are an 
exception--they seem to be as active as ever.

I don't really consider Facebook a substitute because their message limits and 
format don't cater to either long messages or complicated interchanges.

Is costuming going out of style, as it were?  Is reenactment less popular? Are 
people traveling less to events because of the recession, therefore making 
fewer 
outfits for attending events, therefore not discussing those projects?  Is 
everyone hanging out on new lists I've never heard of?  Where ARE all the 
costumers hanging out, if not on h-costume?

Fran
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[h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

For well over a year, I've been noticing a relative scarcity of posts on 
pretty much every costume-related mailing list and bulletin board of 
which I am a member (several dozen).  Many of these groups, including 
h-costume, were formerly very active. The general, noncostume sewing 
groups are an exception--they seem to be as active as ever.


I don't really consider Facebook a substitute because their message 
limits and format don't cater to either long messages or complicated 
interchanges.


Is costuming going out of style, as it were?  Is reenactment less 
popular? Are people traveling less to events because of the recession, 
therefore making fewer outfits for attending events, therefore not 
discussing those projects?  Is everyone hanging out on new lists I've 
never heard of?  Where ARE all the costumers hanging out, if not on 
h-costume?


Fran
Lavolta Press
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