Re: [H] Disk Imaging with Acronis

[GPL]

I've only done two tests with making the images thus far, and none recovering.

What I've noticed was it took a substantially longer amount of time to
do it in windows than to just load up via bootable DVD and image it
that way.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Gary  wrote:
> First you don't have to image from bootable DVD (unless you want too), you
> can do it in windows.
> When installed Win7 it made two partitions if you did a format. It put
> system files in a separate partition.
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
>> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of GPL
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:44 PM
>> To: The Hardware List
>> Subject: [H] Disk Imaging with Acronis
>>
>> Has anyone ever used Acronis disk imaging?
>>
>> I have the home 2010 version, and have never really done any imaging.
>> I have some spare hard drives and have been meaning to try and test
>> this out.
>>
>> I have a fresh install of Win7 with a few programs. Everything is on
>> C: there is no other partition. I want that image saved in case I need
>> to redo the machine quickly.
>>
>> I boot into the bootable DVD of acronis loader I created.
>>
>> I go to partitions to back up.
>>
>> I see DISK1 which is my external USB HD. Below that I see DISK2 which
>> is the 500GB HD on the PC with the O/S and programs.
>>
>> NTFS (System Reserved) (C:) Pri,Act 100
>>
>> and
>>
>> NTFS (Unlabeled) (C:) Pri 465GB
>>
>> What I don't understand is why is there a C and D listed, when I only
>> have a C: drive with everything loaded on it with this particular PC?
>>
>> What happens if I restore this to a fresh HD on the same PC?
>>
>> Will I have a C drive of 100MB and a D drive with the O/S and Programs?!
>
>

[H] Disk Imaging with Acronis

[GPL]

Has anyone ever used Acronis disk imaging?

I have the home 2010 version, and have never really done any imaging.
I have some spare hard drives and have been meaning to try and test
this out.

I have a fresh install of Win7 with a few programs. Everything is on
C: there is no other partition. I want that image saved in case I need
to redo the machine quickly.

I boot into the bootable DVD of acronis loader I created.

I go to partitions to back up.

I see DISK1 which is my external USB HD. Below that I see DISK2 which
is the 500GB HD on the PC with the O/S and programs.

NTFS (System Reserved) (C:) Pri,Act 100

and

NTFS (Unlabeled) (C:) Pri 465GB

What I don't understand is why is there a C and D listed, when I only
have a C: drive with everything loaded on it with this particular PC?

What happens if I restore this to a fresh HD on the same PC?

Will I have a C drive of 100MB and a D drive with the O/S and Programs?!

[H] Tower HD LED wire does not match MB HD LED Pins

[GPL]

I have a tower with a HD LED cable that has a 3 prong plug. Actually
its two prongs but the middle hole does not have a wire connected to
it. The motherboard has 2 pins for the HD LED wire.

The 3 hole plug obviously does not fit into the two pins on the
motherboard, so this machine has no HD LED which is not the end of the
world but I would like it to work.

I tried pulling the wires out to try and see if I can just pop them
into the middle hole of the 3 hole plug but either its not meant to
pop out, I'm doing something wrong, or I'm afraid to pull too hard and
break the wire.

Has anyone a solution as to how I can get the HD LED wire to connect
to this MB? IS there maybe an adapater Should I be able to move the
wires around?

I thought this stuff was all standard.

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

Rather annoying situation with this 5870. My new PC ran fine with the
GTX280 but was giving me a grayish screen with vertical bars at
default settings. I lower the clock and memory speed down a bit and
its much better. I sent the card back, it took them 2 days to get the
card to fail their test so they sent me another one, and this one was
tested and it passed the XFX tech test. Well I get it home and its
doing the same thing. Again I need to lower the speeds in the ati
control panel.

I have to assume its the video card because the GTX280 ran fine when
the 5870 was out of it and the PC never experienced the gray
screen/vertical bars.

Now they want me to put the 5870 in another machine to try and see if
it does it there too. Like I have all these machines around to test
such issues. I have a triple core I build with an Antec EarthWatts
EA650 650W power supply in it but I have to check and see if its
enough for this card.

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:29 AM, GPL  wrote:
> I ended up sending the 5870 back RMA. I put in a GTX 280 and it worked
> fine and I'm using that card for now while I wait for the ATI to come
> back.
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:54 AM, maccrawj  wrote:
>> Well poking around only netted me people resolving this by disabling
>> powerplay. With my 3870X2 VisionTek actually released a BIOS update which
>> raised the clocks to constant "normal" operational levels which effectively
>> removed power play and solved the problem for their customers including me.
>>
>> What I've gathered these past 4+ years is cards built By ATI (BBA's,
>> reference design)) get copied w/ their bugs by the manufacturing partners
>> yet seem never to get fixed depite BBA's being fixed?!
>>
>> It's an bug on 3K 4K series not 5K's but you could trying raising the clocks
>> to "in use" levels and see if that's the issue:
>>
>> http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118448
>>
>> On 5/22/2010 6:40 AM, GPL wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems my new build has an issue I read about many weeks ago.
>>>
>>> In regards to the new XFX ATI HD 5870.
>>>
>>> The gray/brown screen with bars I noticed the last few days playing
>>> rfactor and iracing that pop up occasionally. It's been reported
>>> before by ATI users and I would have hoped by now that this would be a
>>> driver issue that fixed it. But this is the latest driver on a brand
>>> new install. I'm wondering if I'm about to RMA my first part of this
>>> build, and the first ATI I've purchased in years.
>>>
>>> Can it be something else overlooked?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [H] Secondary Mild Gamer

[GPL]

I have a question on memory. Like I said I’m building a system around
an Asrock M3A770DE. On their allowed memory list:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/memory/M3A770DE.pdf

It says the memory I want, that is allowed is:

2G G.SKILL F3-12800CL7D-4GBBHZ
2GB G.SKILL F3-12800CL7D-4GBPI
2GB G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ


Now, here is my question, the memory I have in my newegg shopping
cart, in a combo deal with another item I need is:

2GB G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL (combo w/ Antec EarthWatts EA650)


I see the "12800CL9D" is a match but the two memories have the ending
code different, the top one is 4GBNQ and the one I have in shopping
cart is 4GBRL.


I don't understand the difference, and should I consider not
purchasing the G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL because its not on the
memory list and go with the G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ instead?\

Little confused


On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:54 PM, DSinc  wrote:
> Scoobydoo,
> While I do accept saving money, I do not agree with your psu assessment.
> GPL's 650W psu choice is totally appropriate for what will happen to this
> build in its' first 12 months.
>
> Having a 200w cushion going in is not a bad decision. A loafing psu is
> better than one that may be driven to its' max specs. JMHO.
>
> I run 650's on my 3 C2D's. Even on my older AMD procs I use 510's.
> The old 450w psu is a non-starter here any longer. Modern m/b's draw all
> sorts of power than did those of years long ago.
>
> I like the 650w choice. A psu is NOT an area to skrimp on. I might even
> suggest 750-800w now.
>
> And, I would suggest Seasonic completely. Sugested here. I tried. I like
> Seasonic very much now. My old fav was PCP&C. JMHO, again.
>
> Antec does NOT hit my radar screen any more.
> Best,
> Duncan
>
> On 06/21/2010 15:14, Scoobydo wrote:
>>
>> My only suggestion would be to get a lesser PSU in the 450 watt range to
>> save some cash. Seasonic is the best IMHO..
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:35:40 -0500, GPL 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking to build a milder gaming maching. This is not a primary
>>> machine, but secondary and mainly used for my young children I would
>>> like to keep it as low as possible to make use of the video card I
>>> acquired which is an Nvidia GTX-280 1G.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been looking through newegg and put together a few parts I wish
>>> you folks could evaluate and comment on, perhaps direct me to a better
>>> combination. The below seems to tip over the $400 range, and in a
>>> perfect world I really wanted to keep this down to the low $300 range.
>>> Had a few combo deals a few weeks ago I think I missed out on unless
>>> I'm lousy at finding good combo deals on newegg. I'm not married to
>>> Intel or AMD just looking for something decent and as low a price I
>>> can get away with, with out it being a disaster in the making :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> AMD Athlon II X3 425 Rana 2.7GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W
>>> Triple-Core Processor - $71
>>>
>>> ASRock M3A770DE AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - $59
>>>
>>> G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1200 (PC2
>>> 9600) - $130
>>>
>>> Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W - $75
>>>
>>> Rosewill DESTROYER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $50
>>>
>>> LITE-ON Black Burner - $23
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> THANK YOU!
>>
>>
>

[H] Secondary Mild Gamer

[GPL]

Looking to build a milder gaming maching. This is not a primary
machine, but secondary and mainly used for my young children I would
like to keep it as low as possible to make use of the video card I
acquired which is an Nvidia GTX-280 1G.


I've been looking through newegg and put together a few parts I wish
you folks could evaluate and comment on, perhaps direct me to a better
combination. The below seems to tip over the $400 range, and in a
perfect world I really wanted to keep this down to the low $300 range.
Had a few combo deals a few weeks ago I think I missed out on unless
I'm lousy at finding good combo deals on newegg. I'm not married to
Intel or AMD just looking for something decent and as low a price I
can get away with, with out it being a disaster in the making :-)


AMD Athlon II X3 425 Rana 2.7GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W
Triple-Core Processor - $71

ASRock M3A770DE AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - $59

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1200 (PC2
9600) - $130

Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W - $75

Rosewill DESTROYER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $50

LITE-ON Black Burner - $23



THANK YOU!

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

I ended up sending the 5870 back RMA. I put in a GTX 280 and it worked
fine and I'm using that card for now while I wait for the ATI to come
back.

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:54 AM, maccrawj  wrote:
> Well poking around only netted me people resolving this by disabling
> powerplay. With my 3870X2 VisionTek actually released a BIOS update which
> raised the clocks to constant "normal" operational levels which effectively
> removed power play and solved the problem for their customers including me.
>
> What I've gathered these past 4+ years is cards built By ATI (BBA's,
> reference design)) get copied w/ their bugs by the manufacturing partners
> yet seem never to get fixed depite BBA's being fixed?!
>
> It's an bug on 3K 4K series not 5K's but you could trying raising the clocks
> to "in use" levels and see if that's the issue:
>
> http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118448
>
> On 5/22/2010 6:40 AM, GPL wrote:
>>
>> It seems my new build has an issue I read about many weeks ago.
>>
>> In regards to the new XFX ATI HD 5870.
>>
>> The gray/brown screen with bars I noticed the last few days playing
>> rfactor and iracing that pop up occasionally. It's been reported
>> before by ATI users and I would have hoped by now that this would be a
>> driver issue that fixed it. But this is the latest driver on a brand
>> new install. I'm wondering if I'm about to RMA my first part of this
>> build, and the first ATI I've purchased in years.
>>
>> Can it be something else overlooked?
>>
>

Re: [H] Diagnosing a video issue?

[GPL]

The thing ran just fine to be honest with you. I downloaded the driver
from the ATI website under legacy software support structure. It's
just that I would assume that if the video card was going bad, that it
would go bad be it under it's own driver or in any video mode. Now I
can't seem to keep it in windows driver that lets it stay stable.
Windows always puts another driver on it during normal boot up to make
it slow down again.

Right now I found an old GeForce Ti4200 64MB AGP card, and let windows
just put its own standard VGA driver into it. Its running smooth
despite the graphical look not being too smooth and monitor resolution
not supported. It stays at 1024x768. At least it's usable for the
moment.

I still would like to find a video card, if that is indeed the
problem, that was equivalent to the previous or better. Hopefully it
was just the card. I don't have the parts laying around I used to
years ago to swap in and out to test machines. Ahh the good ole days!

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 5:06 AM, maccrawj  wrote:
> The 9800 is actually supported under Windows 7? I though it got lumped in
> with the rest of the pre-directX 10 stuff as no longer supported (at all) by
> CCC above 6.5?
>
> Just my $.02, but I'll bet it's running in VGA compatibility mode and that's
> all it will ever do.
>
>
>
> On 5/22/2010 6:29 PM, GPL wrote:
>>
>> Got this older machine we use at the house thats a P4 3.2 with a
>> 9800XT ati card. Been running windows 7 on it. Last two weeks it's
>> been OK with its use.
>>
>> Today it seems the desktop is very slow, goes dark screen, waits to
>> come back online with the working hour glass type circle spinning,
>> seems to just really hang up but nothing really comes of it to go back
>> into use. Clicking icons is delayed, that sort of thing.
>>
>> If I load up in safe mode, safe mode w/ networking, or load up
>> normally by removing the 9800XT from the device manager and restarting
>> the PC it seems to run normally. Other than the resolution being less
>> than what the native mode of the monitor is it seems to work OK.
>>
>> Tried reinstalling the ATI driver but it still hangs. Seems to only
>> operate now with no driver, or default windows settings.
>>
>> Couple of times I see a message pop up that says "The display driver
>> has stopped responding but has recovered" type of thing.
>>
>> Can the card finally be going bad, not being able to handle the full
>> driver? It sort of blinks black screen to desktop every once in a
>> while as I type this looking over at it.
>>
>

[H] Diagnosing a video issue?

[GPL]

Got this older machine we use at the house thats a P4 3.2 with a
9800XT ati card. Been running windows 7 on it. Last two weeks it's
been OK with its use.

Today it seems the desktop is very slow, goes dark screen, waits to
come back online with the working hour glass type circle spinning,
seems to just really hang up but nothing really comes of it to go back
into use. Clicking icons is delayed, that sort of thing.

If I load up in safe mode, safe mode w/ networking, or load up
normally by removing the 9800XT from the device manager and restarting
the PC it seems to run normally. Other than the resolution being less
than what the native mode of the monitor is it seems to work OK.

Tried reinstalling the ATI driver but it still hangs. Seems to only
operate now with no driver, or default windows settings.

Couple of times I see a message pop up that says "The display driver
has stopped responding but has recovered" type of thing.

Can the card finally be going bad, not being able to handle the full
driver? It sort of blinks black screen to desktop every once in a
while as I type this looking over at it.

Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?

[GPL]

Interesting piece here on the Intel SSD:
Sequential Access - Read up to 250MB/s
Sequential Access - Write up to 70MB/s ? SLOW ??

Kingston SSD V+ series. Newegg has a 64GB for $180 that has nice read
AND write speeds.
Sequential Access - Read up to 230MB/s
Sequential Access - Write up to 180MB/s

Have I misinterpreted the data and or the importantance of sequential
access write up speed? What do you feel on the Kingston SSD V+ series?




On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Julian Zottl
 wrote:
> If you're looking at Sandforce, take a look at these:
> http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/internal_storage/Mercury_Extreme_SSD_Sandforce/Solid_State_Pro
> 
> http://mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCL120GB.aspx
>
> Take care,
> 
> Julian
>
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Thane Sherrington <
> th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
>
>> At 07:23 AM 22/05/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using one now for 5 months. It's great..wouldn't consider
>>> changing or going back now. Also, a lot of vendors are putting them in
>>> high-end laptops now.
>>> the extra cash becomes rather meaningless after you've been living with
>>> one for a while. Virus scans are nearly instantaneous. And boot times are
>>> fab...and I would go intel all the way...BTW, maximum pc in their latest
>>> issue does have a review of several non-intel SSDs.
>>>
>>
>> I've done a few machines for clients with SSDs, and if you have the cash it
>> is hands down the way to go.  I wish I had the cash to put a big one on my
>> laptop.
>>
>> T
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

It seems my new build has an issue I read about many weeks ago.

In regards to the new XFX ATI HD 5870.

The gray/brown screen with bars I noticed the last few days playing
rfactor and iracing that pop up occasionally. It's been reported
before by ATI users and I would have hoped by now that this would be a
driver issue that fixed it. But this is the latest driver on a brand
new install. I'm wondering if I'm about to RMA my first part of this
build, and the first ATI I've purchased in years.

Can it be something else overlooked?

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

Yeah... it sucks, but what'ya gunna do?! As far as laptops, I have the
old Inspiron 600m in use. HA, thought it was fully retired. It's lost
its power panel and I see the MB below it. Plus, ITS SLOW, needs a
format new install. But it's got me online. I miss my Inspiron 15.
However, a few months ago I dropped it at the airport security. It
worked well months later but it did have a crack. Ill get another one,
maybe an Inspiron 17. I got it at dell outlet. Im sure Ill dell outlet
 it again.

Ordered the rest of my parts to finish the build. RAN OUT OF  for
the SSD because I'm waiting on a check that has not been sent to me
yet from a March invoice but in its place I grabbed a 1TB drive to get
going. I'll certainly grab the 80GB or so SSD drive and reinstall OS
if need be on it. Getting sick of seeing all those parts sitting here
in the room.

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Stan Zaske  wrote:
> Sorry to hear about the break-in. Hope they catch those thieves.
>
> On 5/10/2010 1:03 PM, GPL wrote:
>>
>> You guys have totally polluted my thread. LOL...
>>
>> I have all the parts here in house right now except for the HD which I
>> will order today. I'm actually lucky to still have them. My house was
>> broken into last week. We lost jewelry and my laptop and a few other
>> little things but the stack of new PC equipment was never touched. I
>> would still be crying if they took all that new stuff.
>>
>> The loss of family jewelry was tough enough to deal with. The laptop
>> was bad too but I can always get another . It had a password so unless
>> these are super hackers too I doubt they can login. I've gone through
>> the whole identity theft process and insurance, police report process.
>> What a nightmare.
>>
>> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Bryan Seitz  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> haha I WEI on your face
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:54:46AM -0500, Greg Sevart wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> He said Vista. The WEI scale tops out at 5.9 in Vista, and 7.9 in W7.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
>>>>> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:33 PM
>>>>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.9 sounds like the HDD speed bringing you down. My now aging Q6600
>>>>> gives
>>>>> me that much, with the rest of the system rating 7.1.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been awhile since I've transcoded DVD but 27min sounds on the high
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> side
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> unless the GPU is not playing a role.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/2010 3:18 PM, Stan Zaske wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I got my 1055T yesterday and with the latest Gigabyte BIOS it
>>>>>> was recognized just fine and Vista gives me a 5.9 on performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bryan G. Seitz
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

You guys have totally polluted my thread. LOL...

I have all the parts here in house right now except for the HD which I
will order today. I'm actually lucky to still have them. My house was
broken into last week. We lost jewelry and my laptop and a few other
little things but the stack of new PC equipment was never touched. I
would still be crying if they took all that new stuff.

The loss of family jewelry was tough enough to deal with. The laptop
was bad too but I can always get another . It had a password so unless
these are super hackers too I doubt they can login. I've gone through
the whole identity theft process and insurance, police report process.
What a nightmare.

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Bryan Seitz  wrote:
>
> haha I WEI on your face
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:54:46AM -0500, Greg Sevart wrote:
>> He said Vista. The WEI scale tops out at 5.9 in Vista, and 7.9 in W7.
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
>> > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:33 PM
>> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> > Subject: Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build
>> >
>> > 5.9 sounds like the HDD speed bringing you down. My now aging Q6600 gives
>> > me that much, with the rest of the system rating 7.1.
>> >
>> > It's been awhile since I've transcoded DVD but 27min sounds on the high
>> side
>> > unless the GPU is not playing a role.
>> >
>> > On 5/9/2010 3:18 PM, Stan Zaske wrote:
>> > > Well, I got my 1055T yesterday and with the latest Gigabyte BIOS it
>> > > was recognized just fine and Vista gives me a 5.9 on performance.
>>
>
> --
>
> Bryan G. Seitz
>

Re: [H] Memory matching on some older machines

[GPL]

Thanks. I upgraded the ram in both machines. P4 3.2HT from 1GB to 3GB
and e6600 machine from 2GB to 4GB. Once my new gaming build is
complete I'll wipe these machines, put win7 on them and let the family
at it,

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:57 AM, maccrawj  wrote:
> IIRC you'll just not get the benefit of better timings from the new 4-4-4
> but it will run fine at 5-5-5 assuming no other issues between new & old.
> Since you're not mixing in the same banks I think you'll be ok albeit at
> 5-5-5-12.
>
> Was a time when DDR2 was cheapest, DDR3 over a 1/3 more. DDR1 @ 1GB/~$35,
> guess that does work out as expensive except machines of that vintage
> typically never get more than 2GB installed anyway. +1GB DDR upgrades to
> aging 512MB systems running XP, keeps proving a worthwhile investment @$35
> rather than replacing old general use pc's.
>
>
> On 5/4/2010 6:21 PM, GPL wrote:
>>
>> I'm upping some memory on a few older machines that my wife and kids can
>> use.
>>
>> One of them has Corsair Twin Pair CM2X1024-6400
>> (XMS6405v5.1/XMS2-6400/5-5-5-12) memory. I wanted to get the same type
>> and double the memory then noticed my local microcenter had one left
>> in their store. Before I bought I researched it and noticed the
>> latency on the store version is 4-4-4-12 while the memory in the PC
>> displays on the stick 5-5-5-12. What will happen if I use the stick
>> that displays 4-4-4-12 with the sticks that say 5-5-5-12? Not fully
>> understanding the latency aspect and what might happen if I mismatch
>> something.
>>
>> I saw they also had a matching set to another machine I have that has
>> 1 GB of memory, and I could pick up Crucial Memory Crucial 2GB DDR-400
>> (PC-3200) DIMM Memory Kit (Two 1GB Memory Modules) which is exactly
>> whats in the machine now other than the 2 sticks in there now are
>> 512mb. BUT... it seems the older ram is more expensive? Is it just a
>> supply and demand this?
>>
>> The above corsair memory is is $20 cheaper than that older Corsair
>> memory... Just an observation.
>>
>

[H] Memory matching on some older machines

[GPL]

I'm upping some memory on a few older machines that my wife and kids can use.

One of them has Corsair Twin Pair CM2X1024-6400
(XMS6405v5.1/XMS2-6400/5-5-5-12) memory. I wanted to get the same type
and double the memory then noticed my local microcenter had one left
in their store. Before I bought I researched it and noticed the
latency on the store version is 4-4-4-12 while the memory in the PC
displays on the stick 5-5-5-12. What will happen if I use the stick
that displays 4-4-4-12 with the sticks that say 5-5-5-12? Not fully
understanding the latency aspect and what might happen if I mismatch
something.

I saw they also had a matching set to another machine I have that has
1 GB of memory, and I could pick up Crucial Memory Crucial 2GB DDR-400
(PC-3200) DIMM Memory Kit (Two 1GB Memory Modules) which is exactly
whats in the machine now other than the 2 sticks in there now are
512mb. BUT... it seems the older ram is more expensive? Is it just a
supply and demand this?

The above corsair memory is is $20 cheaper than that older Corsair
memory... Just an observation.

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

I bought the i7 930 at Microcenter for $199 myself. The rest of the
stuff was/will be bought online. For some reason the microcenter i7
930 deal was way too good a deal not to drive down there and pay for.

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:14 PM,   wrote:
> Our local microcenter had the 1090t for $199. Basically too good of a deal.  
> It won't challenge intels high end anywhere, but its performance out of 
> handbrake any on the newer x64 x264 encoder rocks.  I mean, really rocks.  I 
> guess I'm not so much a gamer where that's a big sell factor for me.
> Sent via BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Julian Zottl 
> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:42:12
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build
>
> Just curious why you're not considering the 1099T?  I too as going to build
> a 930 setup, but now with the 1099T, I'm seriously considering it.
> 
> Julian
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:38 PM, maccrawj  wrote:
>
>> Looks like a great system! Personally I'm firmly an Asus ROG guy but doubt
>> you can go wrong with Gigabyte.
>>
>> Consider a BluRay-R/DVD-RW vs. plain DVD-RW. What about sound card? Don't
>> get burnt by ADI, etc... AC97 crap like I did!
>>
>> On 5/3/2010 11:58 AM, GPL wrote:
>>
>>> OK, well I see it's time I update the post.
>>>
>>> So far I already have here:
>>>
>>> Intel Core i7-930
>>> CORSAIR CMPSU-850HX 850W
>>> COOLER MASTER HAF 922
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate O/S
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is what I plan on ordering next:
>>>
>>>
>>> * GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R
>>> * G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
>>> * XFX HD-587A-ZND9 Radeon HD 5870 1GB
>>> * Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC
>>> Internal Solid State Drive - For second HD I'll either go with a
>>> Western Digital VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 600GB or regular SATA perhaps
>>> the SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200.
>>>
>>> I'll pick up a cheap DVD drive for it as well.
>>>
>>> I think I feel pretty good about this setup, but if anyone has
>>> anything they would like to add, recommend, suggest that may make me
>>> change my mind on something please let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks All...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

1099T? What is that? A TAX FORM?

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:42 PM, GPL  wrote:
> I havent bought a sound card in a decade. Typically I have a headset
> on in the evening. I always use onboard sound. Maybe Im missing
> something but if I don't know what Im missing I guess Im OK.
>
> I don't have ONE blue ray disc in this house. Most of my DVD
> collection is little einsteins and thomas the tank engine that my
> little kids play on the DVD player in house and car.
>
> I like ASUS too, its a toss up for me, just need to pick one.
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:38 PM, maccrawj  wrote:
>> Looks like a great system! Personally I'm firmly an Asus ROG guy but doubt
>> you can go wrong with Gigabyte.
>>
>> Consider a BluRay-R/DVD-RW vs. plain DVD-RW. What about sound card? Don't
>> get burnt by ADI, etc... AC97 crap like I did!
>>
>> On 5/3/2010 11:58 AM, GPL wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, well I see it's time I update the post.
>>>
>>> So far I already have here:
>>>
>>> Intel Core i7-930
>>> CORSAIR CMPSU-850HX 850W
>>> COOLER MASTER HAF 922
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate O/S
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is what I plan on ordering next:
>>>
>>>
>>> * GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R
>>> * G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
>>> * XFX HD-587A-ZND9 Radeon HD 5870 1GB
>>> * Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC
>>> Internal Solid State Drive - For second HD I'll either go with a
>>> Western Digital VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 600GB or regular SATA perhaps
>>> the SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200.
>>>
>>> I'll pick up a cheap DVD drive for it as well.
>>>
>>> I think I feel pretty good about this setup, but if anyone has
>>> anything they would like to add, recommend, suggest that may make me
>>> change my mind on something please let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks All...
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

I havent bought a sound card in a decade. Typically I have a headset
on in the evening. I always use onboard sound. Maybe Im missing
something but if I don't know what Im missing I guess Im OK.

I don't have ONE blue ray disc in this house. Most of my DVD
collection is little einsteins and thomas the tank engine that my
little kids play on the DVD player in house and car.

I like ASUS too, its a toss up for me, just need to pick one.

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:38 PM, maccrawj  wrote:
> Looks like a great system! Personally I'm firmly an Asus ROG guy but doubt
> you can go wrong with Gigabyte.
>
> Consider a BluRay-R/DVD-RW vs. plain DVD-RW. What about sound card? Don't
> get burnt by ADI, etc... AC97 crap like I did!
>
> On 5/3/2010 11:58 AM, GPL wrote:
>>
>> OK, well I see it's time I update the post.
>>
>> So far I already have here:
>>
>> Intel Core i7-930
>> CORSAIR CMPSU-850HX 850W
>> COOLER MASTER HAF 922
>> Windows 7 Ultimate O/S
>>
>>
>> Here is what I plan on ordering next:
>>
>>
>> * GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R
>> * G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
>> * XFX HD-587A-ZND9 Radeon HD 5870 1GB
>> * Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC
>> Internal Solid State Drive - For second HD I'll either go with a
>> Western Digital VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 600GB or regular SATA perhaps
>> the SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200.
>>
>> I'll pick up a cheap DVD drive for it as well.
>>
>> I think I feel pretty good about this setup, but if anyone has
>> anything they would like to add, recommend, suggest that may make me
>> change my mind on something please let me know.
>>
>> Thanks All...
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

OK, well I see it's time I update the post.

So far I already have here:

Intel Core i7-930
CORSAIR CMPSU-850HX 850W
COOLER MASTER HAF 922
Windows 7 Ultimate O/S


Here is what I plan on ordering next:


* GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R
* G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
* XFX HD-587A-ZND9 Radeon HD 5870 1GB
* Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC
Internal Solid State Drive - For second HD I'll either go with a
Western Digital VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 600GB or regular SATA perhaps
the SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200.

I'll pick up a cheap DVD drive for it as well.

I think I feel pretty good about this setup, but if anyone has
anything they would like to add, recommend, suggest that may make me
change my mind on something please let me know.

Thanks All...


On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Greg Sevart  wrote:
> That Kingston model has a new Toshiba controller and uses Toshiba NAND. It
> might be fine, but after the number of failed Vertex drives I've had, I'm
> sticking with something more enterprise and/or proven--which means Intel to
> me.
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
>> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of GPL
>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:32 PM
>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> Subject: Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build
>>
>> Back to SSD. What form factor do I need to be looking at here? I just got
> my
>> cooler master case and power supply. I need to open them up tomorrow and
>> have a look around. Microcenter has the i7 930 for 199 local so I am going
> to
>> pick one of those up. I sort have been dragging my feet with the SSD
>> situation.
>>
>> I see form factors of 2.5" and 3.5". Will I need some adapter to make it
> fit in
>> the tower?
>>
>> Been eyeing the Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB
>> SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) for roughly $230.
>>
>> Or the...
>>
>> Kingston SSDNow V+ Series SNVP325-S2/128GB 2.5" 128GB SATA II MLC
>> Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) for roughly $320.
>
>
>

Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

[GPL]

Not to sound like a NOOB, but here goes. I'm looking at the i7 930 and
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R specs page and am either missing it or it is
assumed you can run 64 bit OS on them. Is it called something else?

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Bryan Seitz  wrote:
> Indeed you need a compatible CPU/Mobo (mostly CPU matters here) and you might
> run into hardware that doesn't have 64 bit drivers as well.
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 08:41:41AM -0400, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
>> Oh yes...some processors can't run 64-bit...if you run the Win7 upgrade
>> adviser, it will tell you if your system can handle 64bit or not.  I
>> have had some of my old hardware become obsolete after going
>> 64-bitin my case, it was my scanner.
>>
>> On 4/30/2010 8:32 AM, GPL wrote:
>> > When talking about 64 bit OS, does it matter what hardware you have in
>> > a PC? Meaning, do you need to have compatible motherboard, etc or is
>> > it strictly an OS this?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > No virus found in this incoming message.
>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> > Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2843 - Release Date: 04/29/10 
>> > 14:27:00
>> >
>> >
>
> --
>
> Bryan G. Seitz
>

Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

[GPL]

When talking about 64 bit OS, does it matter what hardware you have in
a PC? Meaning, do you need to have compatible motherboard, etc or is
it strictly an OS this?

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

Back to SSD. What form factor do I need to be looking at here? I just
got my cooler master case and power supply. I need to open them up
tomorrow and have a look around. Microcenter has the i7 930 for 199
local so I am going to pick one of those up. I sort have been dragging
my feet with the SSD situation.

I see form factors of 2.5" and 3.5". Will I need some adapter to make
it fit in the tower?

Been eyeing the Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA
II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) for roughly $230.

Or the...

Kingston SSDNow V+ Series SNVP325-S2/128GB 2.5" 128GB SATA II MLC
Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) for roughly $320.

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

I may at the least get a SSD for the O/S and put the hog of much
software in my collection MS FSX on it too. I wont have a problem
waiting a few extra seconds to load other games off the second slower
drive.

Tell you what though, its all pretty exciting stuff :-)

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Anthony Q. Martin  wrote:
> This is the hardware group, right. At least that's what they told me about
> the 6-monitor setup. :)
>
> Perhaps you need one of these too:
> *http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3242/sapphire_radeon_hd_5970_toxic_4gb_video_card/index.html*
>
> On 4/22/2010 4:04 PM, GPL wrote:
>>
>> Thanks guys, someone pick me up off the floor. I just priced the Intel
>> X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH160G2R5 2.5" 160GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid
>> State Drive (SSD)
>> Rated "THE BEST SSD" by DRAMeXchange
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Q. Martin
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The 160 GB SSD drive deal is working well for me so far.  I just made
>>> sure
>>> that ALL of the user stuff is on the data drive and only program files
>>> goes
>>> to the SSD.  You do have to spend some time reconfiguring things in
>>> windows
>>> so that it points to the right place, but once you do that you can image
>>> the
>>> SSD so that next time everything will automatically point to the right
>>> locations when you reinstall.
>>>
>>> I think the SSD drive is a good idea.
>>>
>>> On 4/22/2010 12:54 PM, GPL wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, moving right along I'm at the Hard Drive stage. A couple of people
>>>> have told me to go the SSD route for the OS/APPS drive and grab a 1TB
>>>> drive for the data. It seems pretty expensive for say an 80GB drive
>>>> and it's just not that much space. Right now I have a C and D drive,
>>>> two separate hard drivers. My C drive shows 127GB with 15GB free. SO,
>>>> that tells me 80GB is hard to swallow for that price. I can always put
>>>> only the intensive apps on their like the OS, and Microsoft's FSX. I'm
>>>> sure the 1TB drive will be fast enough for me to load games and such
>>>> off of.
>>>>
>>>> How do you feel about the SSD drive route in a new PC BUILD?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Bryan Seitz
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:24:08PM -0500, Greg Sevart wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd look at the i7-930. The 260MHz added by the 950 isn't worth more
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> double the price. Microcenter has the 930 for $199 if you have one
>>>>>> handy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. Also overclocking even though you're not into it, is a simple
>>>>> matter of
>>>>> changing one field in the BIOS and gaining 300-400Mhz :)
>>>>>
>>>>> My i920 2.67Ghz runs at 3.4Ghz easy, stock / retail cooling.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just upgraded my system with the Gigabyte X58A-UD5. The UD3R would
>>>>>> also be
>>>>>> a good choice. I wanted a few of the extras on the UD5: onboard debug
>>>>>> LEDs
>>>>>> and 12+2+2 phase voltage regulation. Neither of these may matter if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> aren't looking to overclock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I prefer ASUS motherboards these days but I hear Gigabyte can be ok
>>>>> too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Bryan G. Seitz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>> Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2828 - Release Date: 04/22/10
>>>> 02:31:00
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2829 - Release Date: 04/22/10
>> 14:31:00
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

Thanks guys, someone pick me up off the floor. I just priced the Intel
X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH160G2R5 2.5" 160GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid
State Drive (SSD)
Rated "THE BEST SSD" by DRAMeXchange

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Q. Martin  wrote:
> The 160 GB SSD drive deal is working well for me so far.  I just made sure
> that ALL of the user stuff is on the data drive and only program files goes
> to the SSD.  You do have to spend some time reconfiguring things in windows
> so that it points to the right place, but once you do that you can image the
> SSD so that next time everything will automatically point to the right
> locations when you reinstall.
>
> I think the SSD drive is a good idea.
>
> On 4/22/2010 12:54 PM, GPL wrote:
>>
>> OK, moving right along I'm at the Hard Drive stage. A couple of people
>> have told me to go the SSD route for the OS/APPS drive and grab a 1TB
>> drive for the data. It seems pretty expensive for say an 80GB drive
>> and it's just not that much space. Right now I have a C and D drive,
>> two separate hard drivers. My C drive shows 127GB with 15GB free. SO,
>> that tells me 80GB is hard to swallow for that price. I can always put
>> only the intensive apps on their like the OS, and Microsoft's FSX. I'm
>> sure the 1TB drive will be fast enough for me to load games and such
>> off of.
>>
>> How do you feel about the SSD drive route in a new PC BUILD?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Bryan Seitz  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:24:08PM -0500, Greg Sevart wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd look at the i7-930. The 260MHz added by the 950 isn't worth more
>>>> than
>>>> double the price. Microcenter has the 930 for $199 if you have one
>>>> handy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed. Also overclocking even though you're not into it, is a simple
>>> matter of
>>> changing one field in the BIOS and gaining 300-400Mhz :)
>>>
>>> My i920 2.67Ghz runs at 3.4Ghz easy, stock / retail cooling.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just upgraded my system with the Gigabyte X58A-UD5. The UD3R would
>>>> also be
>>>> a good choice. I wanted a few of the extras on the UD5: onboard debug
>>>> LEDs
>>>> and 12+2+2 phase voltage regulation. Neither of these may matter if you
>>>> aren't looking to overclock.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I prefer ASUS motherboards these days but I hear Gigabyte can be ok too.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bryan G. Seitz
>>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2828 - Release Date: 04/22/10
>> 02:31:00
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

OK, moving right along I'm at the Hard Drive stage. A couple of people
have told me to go the SSD route for the OS/APPS drive and grab a 1TB
drive for the data. It seems pretty expensive for say an 80GB drive
and it's just not that much space. Right now I have a C and D drive,
two separate hard drivers. My C drive shows 127GB with 15GB free. SO,
that tells me 80GB is hard to swallow for that price. I can always put
only the intensive apps on their like the OS, and Microsoft's FSX. I'm
sure the 1TB drive will be fast enough for me to load games and such
off of.

How do you feel about the SSD drive route in a new PC BUILD?




On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Bryan Seitz  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:24:08PM -0500, Greg Sevart wrote:
>> I'd look at the i7-930. The 260MHz added by the 950 isn't worth more than
>> double the price. Microcenter has the 930 for $199 if you have one handy.
>
> Agreed. Also overclocking even though you're not into it, is a simple matter 
> of
> changing one field in the BIOS and gaining 300-400Mhz :)
>
> My i920 2.67Ghz runs at 3.4Ghz easy, stock / retail cooling.
>
>> I just upgraded my system with the Gigabyte X58A-UD5. The UD3R would also be
>> a good choice. I wanted a few of the extras on the UD5: onboard debug LEDs
>> and 12+2+2 phase voltage regulation. Neither of these may matter if you
>> aren't looking to overclock.
>>
>
> I prefer ASUS motherboards these days but I hear Gigabyte can be ok too.
>
>
> --
>
> Bryan G. Seitz
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

The GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX
Intel Motherboard looks like a pretty good deal.



On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:52 PM, GPL  wrote:
> With a case (922 HAF), and power supply (850HX) now in the shopping
> cart it's time for me to get down to the fun stuff.
>
> Next I'll work on selecting the CPU, MB, and Video Card.
>
> VIDEO CARD: I already know I want an ATI Radeon HD 5870. Down the line
> I may crossfire with another but definitly will try a 3 screen
> eyefinity setup too. I wish ATI had a BFG for nvidia version of a
> company that offered that great warranty. I've been reading reviews on
> newegg and tiger and pretty much anything can work. Has anyone any
> recommendations for ATI manufacturers? I've mainly done nvidia my last
> two PC builds. I've read some negative things on gigabytes customer
> service I know that.
>
> CPU: Aye, the Core i7-860, -870, -920, -930, -940, -950 selections.
> After reading up on toms, and reviews on tiger and newegg I'm bouncing
> around two of these. the i7 930 and i7 950. Anything above the 950 is
> way over what I want to spend on a cpu. Even the 950 is pricey. How
> much of the performance difference per price point is it really worth
> though to go 950 or the 930? It we'll over $250 different for .26 GHZ
> difference?! Unless I am over simplifying it. I rarely over clock and
> am not really into it right now. What do you guys think?
>
> MOTHERBOARD: I'm open to anything here. Something you can recommend I
> can add to my reviews to look over. Has to be able to run crossfire
> obviously.
>
> I'll be running Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit - but it seems a bit off
> from where I can finally pop in that DVD for install.
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

With a case (922 HAF), and power supply (850HX) now in the shopping
cart it's time for me to get down to the fun stuff.

Next I'll work on selecting the CPU, MB, and Video Card.

VIDEO CARD: I already know I want an ATI Radeon HD 5870. Down the line
I may crossfire with another but definitly will try a 3 screen
eyefinity setup too. I wish ATI had a BFG for nvidia version of a
company that offered that great warranty. I've been reading reviews on
newegg and tiger and pretty much anything can work. Has anyone any
recommendations for ATI manufacturers? I've mainly done nvidia my last
two PC builds. I've read some negative things on gigabytes customer
service I know that.

CPU: Aye, the Core i7-860, -870, -920, -930, -940, -950 selections.
After reading up on toms, and reviews on tiger and newegg I'm bouncing
around two of these. the i7 930 and i7 950. Anything above the 950 is
way over what I want to spend on a cpu. Even the 950 is pricey. How
much of the performance difference per price point is it really worth
though to go 950 or the 930? It we'll over $250 different for .26 GHZ
difference?! Unless I am over simplifying it. I rarely over clock and
am not really into it right now. What do you guys think?

MOTHERBOARD: I'm open to anything here. Something you can recommend I
can add to my reviews to look over. Has to be able to run crossfire
obviously.

I'll be running Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit - but it seems a bit off
from where I can finally pop in that DVD for install.

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

I read what you folks are saying, but I keep going back after my
readings and past history with the corsair.

I am trying to understand the major difference here between the TX950W
and the 850HX. I keep going back and forth between those two.

Other than one is listed 100 watts more and does not have modular
connections? I have no way to really measure out my future system but
I do want to make sure I can use it if I ever put, say two 5870 cards
into an i7 system. I probably won't have more than 2 hard drivers in
the system ever.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Greg Sevart  wrote:
> Agreed that 600w is more than enough unless you're looking at a QC+high end
> Xfire/SLI setup. I haven't isolated my individual PC in a while, but my UPS
> reports just under 1000 watts pulled for the following:
>
> * Overclocked Core i7 3.7GHz system with 23 drives and a 5770--running at
> full CPU load (BOINC) (this system has a 600w PSU BTW)
> * X2 3600 system with SSD
> * Overclocked C2Q 2.8GHz system with 8 drives, including 4 15k
> * Dual 24" LCDs
> * Water pump, switch, Logitech Z5500, cable modem, Dish power inserter, and
> Dish HD receiver
>
> Plus, a power supply is rated by output, not input, and we're measuring
> input. Therefore, you also have to subtract efficiency losses. While there
> are a lot of different types of components in that list, assuming a very
> good 85% efficient power supply for it all, that would only effectively mean
> 850 watts--and that's for 3 systems and 2 24" monitors +extras.
>
> Other than that, I completely agree with buying a good unit and checking the
> OEM. I even go so far as to verify the brand of capacitors on both the
> primary and secondary sides of the PSU. If they're not Rubycon or Nippon
> Chemi-Con, I'll pass.
>
> Now, all that being said, I usually do look at 750w units for most
> enthusiast-level builds. There are a number of quality 750w units available
> right now, including the SeaSonic X750 Gold that was linked earlier.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
>> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:51 AM
>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> Subject: Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build
>>
>> ARe you guys actually checking power draw using a Kill-o-Watt meter?
>>
>> On 4/20/2010 8:38 AM, Stan Zaske wrote:
>> > You're seriously mistaken my friend. 600 watts is more than adequate
>> > for most builds and overkill in many cases.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/20/2010 2:29 AM, maccrawj wrote:
>> >> Bullshit! 500-600 is just cutting it for MOST current cards combined
>> >> with the potential needs of up to 6 hdd's modern mobo's are capable
>> >> of never mind what other power hungry components are installed.
>> >>
>> >> * Don't skip on PSU brand or capacity, it saves no real money in the
>> >> end.
>> >> * Always lookup what ODM makes a given PSU
>> >> * Read real reviews that stress test.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 4/19/2010 2:15 PM, Stan Zaske wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > You should be fine with 600 watts unless you plan on running 2
>> >>> 5870's or nVidia 480's (not recommended).
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > No virus found in this incoming message.
>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> > Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2821 - Release Date:
>> 04/19/10 14:31:00
>> >
>> >
>
>
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

By the time my PC parts are listed and ordered this thread is going to
be 10 miles long. LOL.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Anthony Q. Martin  wrote:
> ARe you guys actually checking power draw using a Kill-o-Watt meter?
>
> On 4/20/2010 8:38 AM, Stan Zaske wrote:
>>
>> You're seriously mistaken my friend. 600 watts is more than adequate for
>> most builds and overkill in many cases.
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2010 2:29 AM, maccrawj wrote:
>>>
>>> Bullshit! 500-600 is just cutting it for MOST current cards combined with
>>> the potential needs of up to 6 hdd's modern mobo's are capable of never mind
>>> what other power hungry components are installed.
>>>
>>> * Don't skip on PSU brand or capacity, it saves no real money in the end.
>>> * Always lookup what ODM makes a given PSU
>>> * Read real reviews that stress test.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/19/2010 2:15 PM, Stan Zaske wrote:
>>> 
>>> > You should be fine with 600 watts unless you plan on running 2

 5870's or nVidia 480's (not recommended).
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2821 - Release Date: 04/19/10
>> 14:31:00
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

I like the looks of the TX950W. Like I said I have history with the
corsair. Originally I thought I was going to need to go with the
Corsair HX1000W but it did seem a bit pricey. If I could get away with
the TX950W, save a few dollars, yet still have power as needed than I
could live with that and the non modular design.

I'm still leaning on that 5870, which I dont know yet, have not gotten
to that point of progress. But I dont think Ill be running 3 30 inch
monitors. Running a 24 inch now and more than likely would add 2 more
24 inch monitors. Again, who knows what the future brings and my 3
screen setup may never happen but it wouldnt be a bad idea on my part
to be prepped for it if its financially doable now. Its new to me as
Ive been out of it for a few years so Im leaning on the community to
keep me from falling off track.





On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Stan Zaske  wrote:
> OCZ is a crapshoot as experienced by me with a serious incompatibility with
> my Gigabyte AMD 785 chipset mobo. That's both the 500 watt and 600 watt
> versions (I got so sick of RMA'ing those 3 times). That same OCZ Modstream
> works fine for some strange reason on my old Gigabyte 690G mobo. Go figure.
> Seasonic has never failed me and I've got 3 of them running right now.
> Active PFC, perfect compatibility with everything I've matched them with and
> the modular design keeps wire congestion to a minimum. You should be fine
> with 600 watts unless you plan on running 2 5870's or nVidia 480's (not
> recommended). Really unless you plan on running eyefinity 3x1 or a 30"
> monitor you'd find the best value in a 5850. You could always get another
> next year if games get much more demanding by then..
>
>
> On 4/19/2010 10:52 AM, GPL wrote:
>>
>> I've decided on the COOLER MASTER for the case.
>>
>> Let's talk power supplies. I've run a corsair for some time now and
>> its been great. What are your recommendations for a a gamer system
>> that will possible have two video cards in the future, one to start, a
>> bunch of usb flight and racing controllers, fans, and the typical
>> peripherals. I rather have more power than not enough. I've always
>> been a firm believer on having a quality power supply in my machines.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

I've decided on the COOLER MASTER for the case.

Let's talk power supplies. I've run a corsair for some time now and
its been great. What are your recommendations for a a gamer system
that will possible have two video cards in the future, one to start, a
bunch of usb flight and racing controllers, fans, and the typical
peripherals. I rather have more power than not enough. I've always
been a firm believer on having a quality power supply in my machines.

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

After some research, e-mail and forum discusions, and chatter over a
few cold ones last evening I believe I will be going with one of the
following:

COOLER MASTER HAF 922, Antec Nine Hundred, or an Antec Three Hundred.

Looking forward towards getting this case dilemna behind me and get
into the fun stuff next, the cpu, video card, and MB.

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM,   wrote:
> I like the build quality of the haf.  Then again, I'm still using a lian li 
> v2000 I've had for almost 5 years now.
>
> That's good advice: a good case will last you though many builds
> Sent via BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: GPL 
> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:29:26
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build
>
> At the moment, I seem to be leaning towards the COOLER MASTER HAF 922.
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM, maccrawj  wrote:
>> Cooling wise from TT I still recommend the Armor+ VH6000BWS despite the
>> price. Unlke the MX variant there is tray HDD modules at the bottom that can
>> be replaced with 12/14cm fans, better than the Element there is a side 24cm
>> fan *installed*. IMHO the side 24cm fan is not enough alone to keep the
>> video cards card cage area cool enough, nor do the font 12cm's do a whole
>> lot either.
>>
>> The one thing I regret about the generation Armor I bought: lack of the
>> bottom HDD/fan modules. Have considered many times dremeling my case to add
>> them, just too much work ATM.
>>
>> A con for Armor+ is they a design change from open 11 bays exposed to "7+5"
>> system where the bottom 5 bays are rotated sideways into a hdd cage.
>>
>> Yes it's expensive, has no PSU, etc... but you grab one when they're on sale
>> only because they are well worth it over <$100 cases! Surely similar great
>> models exist from Cooler Master and the TT Element does look v-good IMHO
>> also.
>>
>> Don't skimp on PSU rating or brand, go large & reputable rather than
>> listening chants of "you don't need a >700W PSU".
>>
>>
>> On 4/16/2010 8:21 AM, GPL wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help in the past here. Most recent build was 2007 where
>>> I started a similar post. You folks were helpful in building a PC that
>>> I am still gaming on today, with only a video card upgrade between now
>>> and then and that was due to failure after 2.5 years.
>>>
>>> This time around I need to start right from the chassis. Previous
>>> build I just re-used a metal Chieftec tower. This time around I need a
>>> whole new case because the PC in the Chieftec is going to get wiped
>>> and used for my wife.
>>>
>>> Here's a general idea of where the plan stands. A gaming/simulation PC
>>> that also does some video editing, mainly family HD recordings or
>>> gaming videos. It will do flight and racing simulations and I plan on
>>> doing 3 screens down the line. I've usually done Nvidia cards but this
>>> time around I plan on going ATI. I have no allegiance to either card
>>> company but very much want the option to run 3 screens and the ATI
>>> performance will be more than enough for me.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking ATI 5870 right now. I'm also thinking Intel i7 930 to 950
>>> range depending on cost per performance.
>>>
>>> FIRST STEP, I need a case!
>>>
>>> I don't want anything too fancy. Spending big money on the case itself
>>> hurts. However I want something that gives me the room to build, and
>>> if need be later easily crossfire the ATI cards, and have adequate
>>> cooling. I've looked at a few.
>>>
>>> MY DILEMNA, I have a small open desk setup to the right of my main
>>> gaming office desk. I fit my Chieftec tower in there with clearance
>>> enough to keep the little keyboard tray to that desk. It fits 3 towers
>>> with ease. I use it to have my gaming PC, my kids PC, and a LAB/DUMMY
>>> PC. That way my legs are free of wires and heat while at the gaming PC
>>> desk. Width is no issue but height may be. It seems my Chieftec tower
>>> (WITH OUT FEET INSTALLED) stands at 20.5 inches.
>>>
>>> I can always remove that desk's keyboard tray, but I like it for
>>> neatness and my little kids have it at a good height but would prefer
>>> to keep it.
>>>
>>> Few full tower cases I've looked at:
>>>
>>> Cooler Master HAF 932 Full Tower Black Case HEIGHT: 21.5 inches
>>> Thermaltake Element V VL20001W2Z HEIGHT 21 inches
>>>
>>> Few mid tower cases I've looked at:
>>> Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case HEIGHT:
>>> 19.5 inches (It fits!)
>>> COOLER MASTER CM690 II Advanced Black Steel body HEIGHT:  20.10 (It fits!)
>>>
>>> SO, the mid towers fit, the full towers are a tad too tall. Can anyone
>>> recommend another good gaming tower I can look at? Or any suggestions
>>> regarding the search itself.
>>>
>>> I have not bought a new tower by itself since 2003.
>>>
>>> Appreciate any and all of your suggestions as I start putting together
>>> the parts of the next machine.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

At the moment, I seem to be leaning towards the COOLER MASTER HAF 922.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM, maccrawj  wrote:
> Cooling wise from TT I still recommend the Armor+ VH6000BWS despite the
> price. Unlke the MX variant there is tray HDD modules at the bottom that can
> be replaced with 12/14cm fans, better than the Element there is a side 24cm
> fan *installed*. IMHO the side 24cm fan is not enough alone to keep the
> video cards card cage area cool enough, nor do the font 12cm's do a whole
> lot either.
>
> The one thing I regret about the generation Armor I bought: lack of the
> bottom HDD/fan modules. Have considered many times dremeling my case to add
> them, just too much work ATM.
>
> A con for Armor+ is they a design change from open 11 bays exposed to "7+5"
> system where the bottom 5 bays are rotated sideways into a hdd cage.
>
> Yes it's expensive, has no PSU, etc... but you grab one when they're on sale
> only because they are well worth it over <$100 cases! Surely similar great
> models exist from Cooler Master and the TT Element does look v-good IMHO
> also.
>
> Don't skimp on PSU rating or brand, go large & reputable rather than
> listening chants of "you don't need a >700W PSU".
>
>
> On 4/16/2010 8:21 AM, GPL wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the help in the past here. Most recent build was 2007 where
>> I started a similar post. You folks were helpful in building a PC that
>> I am still gaming on today, with only a video card upgrade between now
>> and then and that was due to failure after 2.5 years.
>>
>> This time around I need to start right from the chassis. Previous
>> build I just re-used a metal Chieftec tower. This time around I need a
>> whole new case because the PC in the Chieftec is going to get wiped
>> and used for my wife.
>>
>> Here's a general idea of where the plan stands. A gaming/simulation PC
>> that also does some video editing, mainly family HD recordings or
>> gaming videos. It will do flight and racing simulations and I plan on
>> doing 3 screens down the line. I've usually done Nvidia cards but this
>> time around I plan on going ATI. I have no allegiance to either card
>> company but very much want the option to run 3 screens and the ATI
>> performance will be more than enough for me.
>>
>> I'm thinking ATI 5870 right now. I'm also thinking Intel i7 930 to 950
>> range depending on cost per performance.
>>
>> FIRST STEP, I need a case!
>>
>> I don't want anything too fancy. Spending big money on the case itself
>> hurts. However I want something that gives me the room to build, and
>> if need be later easily crossfire the ATI cards, and have adequate
>> cooling. I've looked at a few.
>>
>> MY DILEMNA, I have a small open desk setup to the right of my main
>> gaming office desk. I fit my Chieftec tower in there with clearance
>> enough to keep the little keyboard tray to that desk. It fits 3 towers
>> with ease. I use it to have my gaming PC, my kids PC, and a LAB/DUMMY
>> PC. That way my legs are free of wires and heat while at the gaming PC
>> desk. Width is no issue but height may be. It seems my Chieftec tower
>> (WITH OUT FEET INSTALLED) stands at 20.5 inches.
>>
>> I can always remove that desk's keyboard tray, but I like it for
>> neatness and my little kids have it at a good height but would prefer
>> to keep it.
>>
>> Few full tower cases I've looked at:
>>
>> Cooler Master HAF 932 Full Tower Black Case HEIGHT: 21.5 inches
>> Thermaltake Element V VL20001W2Z HEIGHT 21 inches
>>
>> Few mid tower cases I've looked at:
>> Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case HEIGHT:
>> 19.5 inches (It fits!)
>> COOLER MASTER CM690 II Advanced Black Steel body HEIGHT:  20.10 (It fits!)
>>
>> SO, the mid towers fit, the full towers are a tad too tall. Can anyone
>> recommend another good gaming tower I can look at? Or any suggestions
>> regarding the search itself.
>>
>> I have not bought a new tower by itself since 2003.
>>
>> Appreciate any and all of your suggestions as I start putting together
>> the parts of the next machine.
>>
>

[H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build

[GPL]

Thanks for the help in the past here. Most recent build was 2007 where
I started a similar post. You folks were helpful in building a PC that
I am still gaming on today, with only a video card upgrade between now
and then and that was due to failure after 2.5 years.

This time around I need to start right from the chassis. Previous
build I just re-used a metal Chieftec tower. This time around I need a
whole new case because the PC in the Chieftec is going to get wiped
and used for my wife.

Here's a general idea of where the plan stands. A gaming/simulation PC
that also does some video editing, mainly family HD recordings or
gaming videos. It will do flight and racing simulations and I plan on
doing 3 screens down the line. I've usually done Nvidia cards but this
time around I plan on going ATI. I have no allegiance to either card
company but very much want the option to run 3 screens and the ATI
performance will be more than enough for me.

I'm thinking ATI 5870 right now. I'm also thinking Intel i7 930 to 950
range depending on cost per performance.

FIRST STEP, I need a case!

I don't want anything too fancy. Spending big money on the case itself
hurts. However I want something that gives me the room to build, and
if need be later easily crossfire the ATI cards, and have adequate
cooling. I've looked at a few.

MY DILEMNA, I have a small open desk setup to the right of my main
gaming office desk. I fit my Chieftec tower in there with clearance
enough to keep the little keyboard tray to that desk. It fits 3 towers
with ease. I use it to have my gaming PC, my kids PC, and a LAB/DUMMY
PC. That way my legs are free of wires and heat while at the gaming PC
desk. Width is no issue but height may be. It seems my Chieftec tower
(WITH OUT FEET INSTALLED) stands at 20.5 inches.

I can always remove that desk's keyboard tray, but I like it for
neatness and my little kids have it at a good height but would prefer
to keep it.

Few full tower cases I've looked at:

Cooler Master HAF 932 Full Tower Black Case HEIGHT: 21.5 inches
Thermaltake Element V VL20001W2Z HEIGHT 21 inches

Few mid tower cases I've looked at:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case HEIGHT:
19.5 inches (It fits!)
COOLER MASTER CM690 II Advanced Black Steel body HEIGHT:  20.10 (It fits!)

SO, the mid towers fit, the full towers are a tad too tall. Can anyone
recommend another good gaming tower I can look at? Or any suggestions
regarding the search itself.

I have not bought a new tower by itself since 2003.

Appreciate any and all of your suggestions as I start putting together
the parts of the next machine.

Re: [H] TechNet Plus Subscription

[GPL]

I did this. I plan on going back to school in late 2010 and wanted to
get my hands dirty with some newer Microsoft technology. I'll make
good use of it.



On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Winterlight
 wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg, sounds like something I will do. I would like to have some
> licensed VMs to test new software although my favorite VM for 32 bit stuff
> is my old Win2k
>
> At 11:14 AM 1/30/2010, you wrote:
>>
>> Most items available have 10 licenses. That doesn't always mean 10
>> keys--some keys are multiple-activation, and some keys are static (w/o
>> activation). Some products are pre-pidded and have no keys, but the
>> license
>> limit still applies. The license is for non-production only. That means
>> that
>> you are only permitted to use the software for testing and lab purposes.
>> Using a license for your workstation you use for regular use would be
>> against the license terms.
>>
>> There are no testing or reporting obligations. The software is not
>> time-bombed or constrained in any way. My understanding is that your
>> license
>> remains good if you don't re-subscribe, but your keys may no longer
>> activate, and you no longer have access to the downloads and keys site,
>> obviously.
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
>> > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:36 PM
>> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> > Subject: [H] TechNet Plus Subscription
>> >
>> >
>> > I have been a MS TechNet member for years. Last week I got an offer
>> > from MS to purchase the Plus subscription at a substantial
>> > discount,  and it sounds like something members on this list have
>> > written about. It is not the first time they have offered it to me
>> > but it with the discount I am thinking about it.
>> >
>> > With a TechNet Plus Subscription, you can evaluate over 70
>> > full-version Microsoft software titles like Windows 7 without time or
>> > feature limits.
>> >
>> > Is this the deal where you get to download free licensed software to
>> > evaluate with no time limits or limitations? If so do you get one
>> > license for each.. or more then that... like windows 7 ultimate? What
>> > happens if you install it and then a year later don't renew your
>> > membership? I guess what I am asking is that once installed is it
>> > good forever... or what?
>> >
>> > Do you have to report on the software... like a beta tester ... do
>> > you have any other obligation to MS if you say yes?
>> >
>> > thanks
>
>

[H] Installing 600m Cover Assembly

[GPL]

I've done the research and discovered the "Control Power Button Cover
Assembly" is the part that is broken on my Inspiron 600m old laptop.
Anyone ever take one of these apart and put them together?

I've worked on many a PC tower but nothing really on laptops.

Its broken on the left hinge where there are two screws now exposed
and broken plastic. All still works but the LCD is not very stable and
looks lousy.

Am I supposed to completely open the laptop to get at this area or is
there an easier path to replacing this cover assembly?

Pictures available upon request.

Re: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard

[GPL]

Looks like my options are pretty slim.

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:06 PM, j maccraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You never want to stray from Wifi cha #6 because the only viable ones are 1 & 
> 11 from there and they don't work as well as 6 at all.
>
> As to DiNovo keyboards, AVOID AVOID AVOID, even if Logitech has fixed the 
> various issues since the 1st gen they DID burn us 1st gen buyers since those 
> had the worst key action & worst software ever not too mention they never 
> supported getting fixes to us. Personally I avoid ever buying Logitech, like 
> Antec, on principle.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Hayes Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Hayes Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard
>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 9:26 AM
>> In theory, yes. In practice, regarding my own game of
>> musical chairs with switching channels on the wifi, it
>> doesn't make a lick of difference. And again, they work
>> perfectly fine while both are active - to a point.
>>
>>
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:07:38 -0400
>> > Subject: Re: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard
>> >
>> > Shouldn't make a difference though if they use a
>> non-overlapping part
>> > of the spectrum?
>> >
>> > Like with wifi, channels 1,6,11 can all be maxing out
>> at once and not
>> > interfere with each other.
>> >
>> > If you were using channels 1,2,3 they would interfere,
>> as the
>> > spectrums overlap.
>> >
>> > This is at least my understanding :p
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Jun 12, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Hayes Elkins wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> That's because they aren't downloading a
>> stream of data at 3.5MB/s
>> >> (that's megaBYTES) from a FIOS connection :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>>
>> >>> Is that accurate? Does the adesso really use
>> that much of the
>> >>> spectrum? It's my understanding that
>> 802.11b/g channels each use a
>> >>> small portion of the range. Couldn't you
>> just change the wifi channel
>> >>> until you find a non-conflicting area? Or is
>> that not possible?
>> >>>
>> >>> I've heard of problems with 2.4ghz phones
>> and wifi for instance, but
>> >>> at my parents house where they have 2.4ghz
>> phones, I've never been
>> >>> able to detect any interference..
>> >>>
>> >>> Scott
>> >>
>> >>
>> _
>> >> Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online
>> storage.
>> >>
>> http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_062008
>> >
>>
>> _
>> Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage.
>> http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_062008
>
>
>
>

Re: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard

[GPL]

Might as well try to research the line of sight infrared KB option.
Anyone using one of these in the environement I mentioned above?

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Hayes Elkins
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> You can always revert to a line of sight infrared KB. Usually they come with 
> a reception extenstion. Or if you have the right environment (not too many 
> walls), go 5Ghz on your wifi.
>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:48:55 -0400
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> Subject: Re: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard
>>
>> Thanks for your feedback. This is rather disheartening though. I'm not
>> planning on running network cable down to that room any time soon. 20
>> feet of keyboard cable isn't really enticing either. You know I would
>> have thought that in this day and age a wireless keyboard and wireless
>> network access would be able to co-exist with each other. BAH!!
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Hayes Elkins
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> And to be clear - the same issue will affect the other adesso model, or any 
>>> keyboard for that matter that uses 2.4Ghz RF
>>>
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:18:30 -0400
 Subject: Re: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard


 Yes. Profound interference when in heavy use because they share the same 
 2.4ghz band. The solution is to move to a 5ghz network if you have the 
 hardware, and very few draft-N devices do, plus deal with the inherent 
 signal issues of 5ghz.


> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:16:44 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard
>
> The diNovo looks stylish but a bit out of my budget. The Adesso I
> mentioned is closer to what I can fit under the cap.
>
> As for that other adesso version, I'm trying to understand what sucks
> about it due to being on wifi? The HTPC I have setup is on my home's
> wireless network. Are you saying theres some sort of interference?

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Re: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard

[GPL]

Thanks for your feedback. This is rather disheartening though. I'm not
planning on running network cable down to that room any time soon. 20
feet of keyboard cable isn't really enticing either. You know I would
have thought that in this day and age a wireless keyboard and wireless
network access would be able to co-exist with each other. BAH!!

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Hayes Elkins
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> And to be clear - the same issue will affect the other adesso model, or any 
> keyboard for that matter that uses 2.4Ghz RF
>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:18:30 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard
>>
>>
>> Yes. Profound interference when in heavy use because they share the same 
>> 2.4ghz band. The solution is to move to a 5ghz network if you have the 
>> hardware, and very few draft-N devices do, plus deal with the inherent 
>> signal issues of 5ghz.
>>
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:16:44 -0400
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>>> Subject: Re: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard
>>>
>>> The diNovo looks stylish but a bit out of my budget. The Adesso I
>>> mentioned is closer to what I can fit under the cap.
>>>
>>> As for that other adesso version, I'm trying to understand what sucks
>>> about it due to being on wifi? The HTPC I have setup is on my home's
>>> wireless network. Are you saying theres some sort of interference?
>>
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Re: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard

[GPL]

The diNovo looks stylish but a bit out of my budget. The Adesso I
mentioned is closer to what I can fit under the cap.

As for that other adesso version, I'm trying to understand what sucks
about it due to being on wifi? The HTPC I have setup is on my home's
wireless network. Are you saying theres some sort of interference?

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Greg Sevart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just outfit my HTPC with a bluetooth Logitech diNovo Edge--KB with
> touchpad. Great range, built-in battery, looks great, and has a sturdy
> feel...
>
> Greg
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GPL
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:16 PM
>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> Subject: [H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I've been looking for a keyboard slash mouse unit for my family room.
>> Since we recently went HDTV in that room I have connected a PC to it
>> as well and need a keyboard with out wires. I saw the "Adesso Wireless
>> SlimTouch Keyboard 2.4Ghz" and it looks like a really slick unit if
>> not maybe a hair expensive. Either way I was wondering if anyone has
>> used it or might have a recommendation on another wireless unit that
>> has keyboard and mouse integrated into it. It needs to work atleast 15
>> or so feet away from where the PC/TV are which I think should not be a
>> problem with the Adesso.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions or recommendations.
>>
>>
>>
>> George
>
>
>

[H] Adesso Wireless Keyboard

[GPL]

Hi Everyone,

I've been looking for a keyboard slash mouse unit for my family room.
Since we recently went HDTV in that room I have connected a PC to it
as well and need a keyboard with out wires. I saw the "Adesso Wireless
SlimTouch Keyboard 2.4Ghz" and it looks like a really slick unit if
not maybe a hair expensive. Either way I was wondering if anyone has
used it or might have a recommendation on another wireless unit that
has keyboard and mouse integrated into it. It needs to work atleast 15
or so feet away from where the PC/TV are which I think should not be a
problem with the Adesso.

Thanks for any suggestions or recommendations.



George

Re: [H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

Just wanted to give a shout out to everyone for the suggestions and
ideas. Another good lil PC built and a user happy thanks to your
ideas, suggestions, and contributions :)

On Jan 4, 2008 4:55 PM, DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FORC5,
> Bought 3 of those last year.  Have 2 of them under power as I write
> this.  One in the this machine even!  So far, so good.  Nice, quiet drives.
> Happy so far. (and, why I am looking to a NAS..)
> Best,
> Duncan
>
> At 14:34 01/04/2008 -0700, you wrote:
> >FWIW just built a new system for a customer and used two seagate 160's,
> >mostly because of the warranty ( 5 years )
> >
> >time will tell.
> >
> >I personally gave up on Maxtor even though I have a couple of old ones
> >still chugging along just fine in a *backup* server. <:-|
> >Not sure why, their RMA procedure was always tops. Use to like IBM but
> >with the merge to Hitachi their RMA procedure is lame ( last time I
> >checked NO advance replacement, must send in the drive first )
> >fp
> >At 01:40 PM 1/4/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with:
>
> > >Thanks Francisco,
> > >I too have a long history with Seagate. I do know that stuff (rma)
> > changes over time.
> > >I suppose that since I have had few failures I have not experienced
> > Seagate's new
> > >RMA process. I'll now look at WD.  But for now, I am still pro-Seagate
> > for the long
> > >term (24/7 operation).
> > >Best,
> > >Duncan
> > >At 11:46 01/04/2008 -0800, you wrote:
> > >>I've actually had quite the opposite.  After loosing my final WD drive 
> > >>last
> > >>year (Dec) (400gb sata) I have sworn off WD.  A buddy of mine also loves 
> > >>to
> > >>buy WD, raptors for speed, but has had the same type of problem where they
> > >>just wear out quickly or just go bad.  It could be because they tend to 
> > >>run
> > >>hotter imho.  As for my seagates, the oldest one I currently own is from
> > >>2001, and it's still humming along just fine.
> > >>
> > >>On Jan 3, 2008 12:33 PM, Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I'd go Western Digital over Seagate.  I replaced a lot of dead and
> > >>> dying Seagates, and very few Western Digitals.  I only sell WD, and I
> > >>> have a very low failure rate.  As an added plus, WD will cross ship
> > >>> and Seagate won't.
> > >>>
> > >>> T
> > >>>
> > >>> At 04:25 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote:
> > >>> >I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range.
> > >>> >Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards:
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA
> > >>> >3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
> > >>> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording
> > >>> >Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
> > >>> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have
> > >>> >some bad user feedback that worries me.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed
> > >>> >for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what
> > >>> >might you folks suggest?
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>> > > Thane,
> > >>> > > Was not aware of asking tricky questions!  Perhaps, I just find
> > myself
> > >>> in
> > >>> > > "tricky" situations!
> > >>> > > (seems like it lately!!!)
> > >>> > > In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less "tricky" :)
> > >>> > > Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card?  That
> > >>> > would do it 4Sure!
> > >>> > > Will keep doing research.  Looking for future spar

Re: [H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

Thanks for the link to the silent preview website. I didnt have that
and its great! Yes -- I don't think SLI is in the plan for the future.

The 120MM fans they reviewed were not on newegg. But I did find a
flavor of what they tested:

Scythe S-FLEX SFF21E 120mm Case Fan - Retail $14.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185005

How do you guys feel about these higher end fans? We would like our
build to be quiet. Me chieftec tower has 4 $5 fans blowing and now
that I notice, I wouldnt mind if they were more quiet.





On Jan 3, 2008 6:29 PM, Greg Sevart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They don't. I've had 3 drives (out of probably 25 or 30 total ordered from
> them) packaged in this way arrive dead. Try returning a drive to any HD
> manufacturer in that packaging...bet the warranty will be invalidated. I,
> too, generally buy drives from ZZF due to their excellent foam HD enclosure
> packaging.
>
> I really like WD. Excepting the awful new Green Power line, I (1) like their
> drives, (2) have been satisfied with their reliability _for me_ (emphasis
> added; frankly, unless you're dealing with hundreds or thousands of drives a
> year, your sample size is too small to mean jack), and (3) love their return
> policy. They willingly cross-ship without a fee (just a standard hold) and
> generally process things in a timely and efficient manner.
>
> Greg
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:04 PM
> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] My PC Build for January
> >
> >
>
> > > I DO NOT like the way that NewEgg packages their oem drives for
> > shipment. A
> > > couple wraps of bubble wrap and thrown in a box with styrofoam. I
> > switched
> > > to Zip Zoom Fly for hard drives due to their full styrofoam box for
> > the hard
> > > drive. Just my experience. YMMV.
> > >
> > >
> > I bought two OEM returned drives from these that were packaged this
> > way.
> > I wasn't very impressed, I admit, but both drives seem to be working
> > just fine.  Perhaps they know more about packaging and shipping parts
> > than I do.
>
>
>

Re: [H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

I did say SLI, but the more I thought of it the more I didnt see it happening.

Are these the components you mentioned?

ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT ATX12V 620W Power Supply 90V~265V (Auto
Adjusted) UL, cUL, TUV, CB - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194004

Do you have a particular pioneer dvdrw product in mind?



On Jan 3, 2008 3:35 PM, Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 04:27 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote:
> >case which we like is from tiger. If they had the same one at newegg
> >we would get it from there. Do you think the power supply is enough?
>
> I seem to recall you mentioned SLI down the road - why not go with an
> Enermax 620W?  I've had good luck with Enermax.  I'd also go Pioneer
> DVDRW over Plextor.
>
>
> T
>
> >Should I do anything with the ram I selected? Anything stand out to
> >you folks that I may need to re-look at.
> >
> >Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
> >Dual-Core Processor - Retail $279.99
> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028
> >
> >ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99
> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196
> >
> >CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual
> >Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $77.00
> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034
> >
> >EVGA 512-P3-N802-AR GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0
> >HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $289.99
> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319
> >
> >Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording
> >Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
> >$84.99
> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140
> >
> >PLEXTOR Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X
> >DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache ATAPI DVD
> >Burner With Replaceable Beige Bezel - Retail  $69.99
> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827249018
> >
> >CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply 100
> >- 240 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail
> >$124.99
> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001
> >
> >Ultra Black Aluminus ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB,
> >Firewire and Audio Ports - $69.99
> >http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=ULT31824
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Jan 3, 2008 3:25 PM, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range.
> > > Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards:
> > >
> > > Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA
> > > 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
> > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701
> > >
> > > Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording
> > > Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
> > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140
> > >
> > > Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have
> > > some bad user feedback that worries me.
> > >
> > > We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed
> > > for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what
> > > might you folks suggest?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Thane,
> > > > Was not aware of asking tricky questions!  Perhaps, I just find myself 
> > > > in
> > > > "tricky" situations!
> > > > (seems like it lately!!!)
> > > > In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less "tricky" :)
> > > > Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card?  That
> > would do it 4Sure!
> > > > Will keep doing research.  Looking for future spares..which will be
> > > > whole upgrades, now!
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > Best,
> > > > Duncan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote:
> > >

Re: [H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

You know, at this point, I should put it down on screen so you all can
see, even if it is edited some more along the way.

Here is what we are looking at thus far and we are still just under
budget which is nice. Everything from newegg so far except for the
case which we like is from tiger. If they had the same one at newegg
we would get it from there. Do you think the power supply is enough?
Should I do anything with the ram I selected? Anything stand out to
you folks that I may need to re-look at.

Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
Dual-Core Processor - Retail $279.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028

ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $77.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034

EVGA 512-P3-N802-AR GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0
HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $289.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording
Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$84.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140

PLEXTOR Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X
DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache ATAPI DVD
Burner With Replaceable Beige Bezel - Retail  $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827249018

CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply 100
- 240 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail
$124.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001

Ultra Black Aluminus ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB,
Firewire and Audio Ports - $69.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=ULT31824
















On Jan 3, 2008 3:25 PM, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range.
> Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards:
>
> Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA
> 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701
>
> Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording
> Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140
>
> Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have
> some bad user feedback that worries me.
>
> We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed
> for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what
> might you folks suggest?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thane,
> > Was not aware of asking tricky questions!  Perhaps, I just find myself in
> > "tricky" situations!
> > (seems like it lately!!!)
> > In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less "tricky" :)
> > Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card?  That would do it 
> > 4Sure!
> > Will keep doing research.  Looking for future spares..which will be
> > whole upgrades, now!
> > Thanks.
> > Best,
> > Duncan
> >
> >
> > At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Of course you always ask tricky questions. :)  According to the manual,
> > >you can, although I haven't tested it.  I *think* you might be able to
> > >remove the card itself.  You could, at the verty least, disconnect the
> > >antenna, which should make the wireless unusable.
> > >
> > >T
> > >
> > >At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote:
> > >>Thane,
> > >>Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios?  I like the rest of the feature-set,
> > >>but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus
> > >>m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability.
> > >>Best,
> > >>Duncan
> > >>
> > >>At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote:
> > >>>At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail 
> > >>>>$139.99
> > >>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196
> > >>>
> > >>>I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it.  Seems
> > >>>reliable.
> > >>>
> > >>>T
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range.
Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards:

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA
3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording
Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140

Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have
some bad user feedback that worries me.

We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed
for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what
might you folks suggest?







On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thane,
> Was not aware of asking tricky questions!  Perhaps, I just find myself in
> "tricky" situations!
> (seems like it lately!!!)
> In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less "tricky" :)
> Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card?  That would do it 
> 4Sure!
> Will keep doing research.  Looking for future spares..which will be
> whole upgrades, now!
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Duncan
>
>
> At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote:
> >Of course you always ask tricky questions. :)  According to the manual,
> >you can, although I haven't tested it.  I *think* you might be able to
> >remove the card itself.  You could, at the verty least, disconnect the
> >antenna, which should make the wireless unusable.
> >
> >T
> >
> >At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote:
> >>Thane,
> >>Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios?  I like the rest of the feature-set,
> >>but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus
> >>m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability.
> >>Best,
> >>Duncan
> >>
> >>At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote:
> >>>At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail 
> >>>>$139.99
> >>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196
> >>>
> >>>I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it.  Seems
> >>>reliable.
> >>>
> >>>T
>
>

Re: [H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

So far, looking and reviewing these boards, if anyone has anything to
add as I review these I would appreciate:


GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $126.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128050

ABIT IP35 LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127029

ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196


I am starting to wonder if the E6850 is worth the price difference
over the 6750. 333MHz for $90 more? Hm have to see how the budget
works. He'll go all the way to it if we still have room.









On Jan 2, 2008 11:06 AM, Anthony Q. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :)
>
> I see. I often have to fight myself when advising others on building PCs
> for themselves. Most of the time, they are happy with stuff I wouldn't
> even consider for me.
>
>
> GPL wrote:
> > Anthony, its one of those things where the serious gamer is assembling
> > someone elses PC, and thinking ahead at the what ifs!
> >
> > Brian, thanks I'll head there now to check those articles.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2008 10:11 AM, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> If you are going Intel I have heard the P35 chipsets are really nice.
> >> I like this one:
> >>
> >> http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3169
> >>
> >> You might want to check this article for which boards will be
> >> compatible with the 45nm Penryn and quad cores coming out over the
> >> next year for upgrade compatibility:
> >>
> >> http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3138
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 2, 2008 8:50 AM, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Probabaly going to order this tomorrow night. The dual core 6850 will
> >>> do fine. We'll put 2GB of ram in it too, its going on XP.
> >>>
> >>> How about motherboards? Can you offer a recommendation?
> >>>
> >>> We might SLI it in the future with another 8800 so the option would be 
> >>> nice.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 1, 2008 12:49 PM, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I've been pondering the same question and here's what I have come up
> >>>> with based on the big analysis Anandtech did on the dual vs quad core
> >>>> issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dual core - lots of software (and games) can use both cores, better
> >>>> chance of a higher overclock, more efficient power usage
> >>>>
> >>>> Quad core - most audio/video/image editing can use all 4 cores, good
> >>>> for virutalization and heavy multitaskers, less chance of a good
> >>>> overclock, extra cores use power, most games can't use all 4 cores.
> >>>>
> >>>> So basically, if you have programs now that can take advantage of all
> >>>> 4 cores then it's a no brainer.  But if you can't take advantage of
> >>>> them then dual core is the way to go.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 1, 2008 11:11 AM, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at
> >>>>> the C2D E6600 & E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price
> >>>>> as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build?
> >>>>> In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be
> >>>>> an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User
> >>>>> is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will
> >>>>> probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit
> >>>>> 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> $229.99
> >>>>> Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
> >>>>> Dual-Core Processor - Retail
> >>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003
> >>>>>
> >>>>> $274.99
> >>>>&

Re: [H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

Anthony, its one of those things where the serious gamer is assembling
someone elses PC, and thinking ahead at the what ifs!

Brian, thanks I'll head there now to check those articles.




On Jan 2, 2008 10:11 AM, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you are going Intel I have heard the P35 chipsets are really nice.
> I like this one:
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3169
>
> You might want to check this article for which boards will be
> compatible with the 45nm Penryn and quad cores coming out over the
> next year for upgrade compatibility:
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3138
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008 8:50 AM, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Probabaly going to order this tomorrow night. The dual core 6850 will
> > do fine. We'll put 2GB of ram in it too, its going on XP.
> >
> > How about motherboards? Can you offer a recommendation?
> >
> > We might SLI it in the future with another 8800 so the option would be nice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 1, 2008 12:49 PM, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I've been pondering the same question and here's what I have come up
> > > with based on the big analysis Anandtech did on the dual vs quad core
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > Dual core - lots of software (and games) can use both cores, better
> > > chance of a higher overclock, more efficient power usage
> > >
> > > Quad core - most audio/video/image editing can use all 4 cores, good
> > > for virutalization and heavy multitaskers, less chance of a good
> > > overclock, extra cores use power, most games can't use all 4 cores.
> > >
> > > So basically, if you have programs now that can take advantage of all
> > > 4 cores then it's a no brainer.  But if you can't take advantage of
> > > them then dual core is the way to go.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 1, 2008 11:11 AM, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at
> > > > the C2D E6600 & E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price
> > > > as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build?
> > > > In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be
> > > > an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User
> > > > is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will
> > > > probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit
> > > > 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > $229.99
> > > > Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
> > > > Dual-Core Processor - Retail
> > > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003
> > > >
> > > > $274.99
> > > > Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
> > > > Dual-Core Processor - Retail
> > > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028
> > > >
> > > > $274.99
> > > > Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775
> > > > Quad-Core Processor - Retail
> > > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB
> > > > Card as of right now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some
> > > > > more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two
> > > > > systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever
> > > > > had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take
> > > > > it. LOL.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking
> > > > > of just getting another one for this build.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now
> > &g

Re: [H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

Probabaly going to order this tomorrow night. The dual core 6850 will
do fine. We'll put 2GB of ram in it too, its going on XP.

How about motherboards? Can you offer a recommendation?

We might SLI it in the future with another 8800 so the option would be nice.



On Jan 1, 2008 12:49 PM, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been pondering the same question and here's what I have come up
> with based on the big analysis Anandtech did on the dual vs quad core
> issue.
>
> Dual core - lots of software (and games) can use both cores, better
> chance of a higher overclock, more efficient power usage
>
> Quad core - most audio/video/image editing can use all 4 cores, good
> for virutalization and heavy multitaskers, less chance of a good
> overclock, extra cores use power, most games can't use all 4 cores.
>
> So basically, if you have programs now that can take advantage of all
> 4 cores then it's a no brainer.  But if you can't take advantage of
> them then dual core is the way to go.
>
>
> On Jan 1, 2008 11:11 AM, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at
> > the C2D E6600 & E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price
> > as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build?
> > In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be
> > an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User
> > is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will
> > probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit
> > 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com:
> >
> >
> > $229.99
> > Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
> > Dual-Core Processor - Retail
> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003
> >
> > $274.99
> > Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
> > Dual-Core Processor - Retail
> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028
> >
> > $274.99
> > Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775
> > Quad-Core Processor - Retail
> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
> >
> >
> > I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB
> > Card as of right now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some
> > > more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two
> > > systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever
> > > had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take
> > > it. LOL.
> > >
> > > I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking
> > > of just getting another one for this build.
> > >
> > > Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now
> > > while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those
> > > days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones!
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave
> > > > or geeks.com.  Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the
> > > > online computer market up here in the Great White North.  And there is
> > > > 15% sales tax on top of their prices :(
> > > >
> > > > I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them
> > > > shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time
> > > > through.  Only a couple hours away.
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Hello Brian,
> > > > >
> > > > > Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos?  I was
> > > > > > looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I
> > > > > > want.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US
> > > > > > while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same.  Weird.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I've never cared for Tiger Direct.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Brian Weeden
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Weeden
>

Re: [H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

I looked over some of the tests on:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html

I'm truly wondering how noticeable to a user though the disparity
would be. Right now they (e6850 & q6600) are the same price. The
person I am building for is not much of an upgrader. I'm only going
from his past history. Within his budget I'm aiming for the best we
can afford now that might stretch its legs for him in the future.

I understand that software isn't really doing much with multiple cores
yet, although some say you do get SOMETHING more out of it. I read
recently that if you are using Microsoft's flight simulator more cores
can be advantageous since their SP1. There have been some tests there
that show a slight improvement with more cores. But this user isn't a
flight simmer LOL.




On Jan 1, 2008 11:56 AM, Anthony Q. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd go for the fast dual right now and he can get a quad later (at the
> same clock speed) after the prices drop, if there is software available
> to use it.
>
>
> GPL wrote:
> > Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at
> > the C2D E6600 & E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price
> > as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build?
> > In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be
> > an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User
> > is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will
> > probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit
> > 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com:
> >
> >
> > $229.99
> > Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
> > Dual-Core Processor - Retail
> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003
> >
> > $274.99
> > Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
> > Dual-Core Processor - Retail
> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028
> >
> > $274.99
> > Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775
> > Quad-Core Processor - Retail
> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
> >
> >
> > I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB
> > Card as of right now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some
> >> more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two
> >> systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever
> >> had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take
> >> it. LOL.
> >>
> >> I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking
> >> of just getting another one for this build.
> >>
> >> Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now
> >> while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those
> >> days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones!
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave
> >>> or geeks.com.  Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the
> >>> online computer market up here in the Great White North.  And there is
> >>> 15% sales tax on top of their prices :(
> >>>
> >>> I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them
> >>> shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time
> >>> through.  Only a couple hours away.
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello Brian,
> >>>>
> >>>> Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos?  I was
> >>>>> looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I
> >>>>> want.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US
> >>>>> while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same.  Weird.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I've never cared for Tiger Direct.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Brian Weeden
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at
the C2D E6600 & E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price
as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build?
In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be
an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User
is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will
probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit
5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com:


$229.99
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003

$274.99
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028

$274.99
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775
Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017


I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB
Card as of right now.















On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some
> more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two
> systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever
> had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take
> it. LOL.
>
> I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking
> of just getting another one for this build.
>
> Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now
> while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those
> days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones!
>
>
> On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave
> > or geeks.com.  Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the
> > online computer market up here in the Great White North.  And there is
> > 15% sales tax on top of their prices :(
> >
> > I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them
> > shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time
> > through.  Only a couple hours away.
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hello Brian,
> > >
> > > Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos?  I was
> > > > looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I
> > > > want.
> > >
> > > > Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US
> > > > while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same.  Weird.
> > >
> > >
> > > I've never cared for Tiger Direct.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Brian Weeden
> >
>

Re: [H] CPU FAN Suggestions

[GPL]

Love arctic silver. Was cleaning out my parts room tonight (Wife calls
it JUNK ROOM) and spotted an old tube of it. I think its from 2003,
probably no good now right? LOL..

On Dec 31, 2007 7:17 PM, zaske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cooler Master HyperTX2, Arctic Silver, unscrew the PSU and just lay it
> aside if you don't have enough clearance (but I suspect that there is
> enough room between the CPU and PSU to move the lever). Mobo removal
> isn't necessary and the price is very good for the level of cooling
> provided. I have 2 of them and they cool a pair of FX55's running
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (one is undervolted and only hits 35C and the other is OC'd
> @ 1.4v and runs about 42C).
>
>
>
> FORC5 wrote:
> > Updated cpu from a 6000 to a 6400x2
> >
> > With dnetc running cpu temps are to high, (59c) Took off the factory 
> > paste and put my goop on, worse. (63c)
> > Gives problems in games. Have never had trouble with dnetc b4 ever and have 
> > been constantly running it for years. grins I guess.
> >
> > Suggestion for a better cooler then the stock amd cooler. FWIW with dnetc 
> > off cpu is 39c. Have been running with the side panel off for now. This is 
> > not a good time of year for temp problems.
> >
> > Does the 6400 run that much hotter normally ? 6000 never gave me any grief.
> >
> > Do not want to remove the mb to mount a cooler
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > fp
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] Upgrading the Video Card

[GPL]

Isn't there a rule of thumb to go by? Something like, if your desktop
is at 1280x1024 you should run the game at that same resolution too?
You should always have the game and desktop resolution matched? Does
this rule still apply?

On 12/24/07, Steve Tomporowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All I changed was the resolution.  Everything else was at the
> defaults.  Game defaulted to 800x600 on installation.  I used the same
> battlefield, Torlan.  Don't really have to solve this mystery, just
> enjoy it, I guess.  ;-)
>
> On Dec 24, 2007 8:09 AM, zaske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Merry Christmas to you too! I've not played UT3 yet, but all the reviews
> > I read say that games nowadays are GPU bound and that even a moderate
> > CPU coupled with a fast video card will yield good frame rates. I'm at a
> > loss to explain why your FPS were less at the lower resolution. Did you
> > have the same in-game settings at both resolutions?
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Tomporowski wrote:
> > > First of all I want to wish everyone on the list a joyous and
> > > wonderful Christmas!
> > >
> > > After I built the IP35/6850/8800GTS system (which is running well &
> > > fast), I've loaded Unreal Tournament III on both it and my 'old'
> > > computer (Athlon64 X2 3400+, 7800GT, MSI Nvidia 4 MB).  I've always
> > > been a fan of the Unreal Tournament series, except that they eliminate
> > > Assault every other version.  People must complain because the next
> > > version has it back again.
> > >
> > > Anyways, the new system is running UT3 at 1280x1024, high detail at
> > > around 60 fps whereas the Old system was chugging along at 29 fps at
> > > 1024x768.  It shows the big difference in the video cards.  I upgraded
> > > the old system to a BFG 8800GT, based on the idea that most games are
> > > now video choked, rather than CPU choked.  I was a little less than
> > > thrilled to see the old system only getting 50 fps in 1024x768.  Just
> > > for laughs, I boosted the resolution to 1280x1024 and suddenly it's
> > > getting over 60fps.  Unusual behavior?  I've noticed that some review
> > > sites see the same thing where the video card needs to have the right
> > > resolution.  Or am I just kidding myself?
> > >
> > > ThanksSteve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some
more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two
systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever
had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take
it. LOL.

I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking
of just getting another one for this build.

Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now
while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those
days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones!

On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave
> or geeks.com.  Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the
> online computer market up here in the Great White North.  And there is
> 15% sales tax on top of their prices :(
>
> I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them
> shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time
> through.  Only a couple hours away.
>
> On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello Brian,
> >
> > Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote:
> >
> > > Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos?  I was
> > > looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I
> > > want.
> >
> > > Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US
> > > while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same.  Weird.
> >
> >
> > I've never cared for Tiger Direct.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Weeden
>

[H] My PC Build for January

[GPL]

Hi folks, and happy new year. Working with a friend to help build a
decent gaming PC. His PC is about 5 years old and he wonders why all
games he tries to run on that system run horrible.

I have been assembling a list of parts on my side to present him for
the build but last night he emailed me a link to a barebones kit with
the case I showed him earlier that had a decent price to it. Here is
the link:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3442434#CPU%20Disclaimer

I'm going to price more items individually, but at first glance this
doesn't look like too terrible a deal. I have stayed away from cases
and kits that come with power supplies in the past because they were
usually lower quality power supplies.  This one comes with a 600watt
Ultra X-Finity SLI Ready Power Supply. We are going with an 88 series
nvidia, not super high end, but mid range and would have the option to
SLI it in the future. But its not a deciding factor.

I would really appreciate your opinion on if barebones kits are
something you folks stay away from or in your experience has it been
better to get individual parts?

Always appreciate everyones feedback.

Thanks, I'll keep researching on my side.

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

Thanks for everyones help!  Thanks for that zipzoomfly link too! The
order is made. 3-4 days the project begins!




On 3/27/07, Hayes Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Any memory manufacturer advertising a module which conforms to a certain
JDEC standard and specified timings BUT ONLY if overvolted is IMHO guilty of
fraud.

>From: GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: The Hardware List 
>To: "The Hardware List" 
>Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:16:07 -0400
>
>I'll be the square one and say it, that memory is not on the
>Qualified Vendors List/
>lol
>
>
>
>
>
>On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I found this:
>>Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB Kit DDR2-800 XMS2-6400 Xtreme Performance
>>Memory
>>Retail ***Free Shipping***
>>
>>at ZipZoomFly.com for $172-$40 MIR (expires 3/29) = $132!
>>
>>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85025-5
>>
>>Bobby
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GPL
>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 6:16 PM
>>To: The Hardware List
>>Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
>>
>>interesting read:
>>http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=1&artpage=1962&articID=47
>>2
>>
>>On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Sorry, meant for this to go to the list.
>> >
>> > Bobby
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Bobby Heid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:23 PM
>> > To: 'GPL'
>> > Subject: RE: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
>> >
>> > I like the list myself.  One thing I would consider is adding another
>>HD
>>to
>> > the system.  That way, you could put the paging file on a different
>> > channel/HD from the main HD.
>> >
>> > Bobby
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: GPL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:58 PM
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List
>> > Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
>> >
>> > Leaning towards two sticks of:
>> > CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory
>> > Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
>> > This is on the MB approved ram list, and a hair cheaper than the
>>kingston.
>> >
>> >
>> > Heres where my list is with my update:
>> >
>> > * Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model
>> > BX80557E6600 - Retail
>> > * GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel
>> > Motherboard - Retail
>> > * EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
>> > Video Card - Retail
>> > * CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop
>> > Memory Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
>> > * Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150
>> > Hard Drive - OEM
>> > * CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply -
>>Retail
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The good news is, I am still under the budget cap for the tri-year
>>upgrade.
>> > LOL
>> > In case anyone is wondering, I have case, and HD fans here I can use.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

I mean I "DIDN'T" know that - sorry for double post!

On 3/27/07, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I did know that! thanks...


On 3/27/07, j maccraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yet you site Corsair XMS as a choice a few posts back?
>
> TwinX is MATCHED PAIRS of XMS. Same item, just tested
> as pairs.
>
>
>
> GPL wrote:
> > I'll be the square one and say it, that memory is
> not on the
> > Qualified Vendors List/
> > lol
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I found this:
> >> Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB Kit DDR2-800 XMS2-6400
> Xtreme Performance
> >> Memory
> >> Retail ***Free Shipping***
> >>
> >> at ZipZoomFly.com for $172-$40 MIR (expires 3/29) =
> $132!
> >>
> >>
> http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85025-5
> >>
> >> Bobby
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of GPL
> >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 6:16 PM
> >> To: The Hardware List
> >> Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
> >>
> >> interesting read:
> >>
> http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=1&artpage=1962&articID=47
>
> >>
> >> 2
> >>
> >> On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Sorry, meant for this to go to the list.
> >> >
> >> > Bobby
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Bobby Heid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:23 PM
> >> > To: 'GPL'
> >> > Subject: RE: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
> >> >
> >> > I like the list myself.  One thing I would
> consider is adding
> >> another HD
> >> to
> >> > the system.  That way, you could put the paging
> file on a different
> >> > channel/HD from the main HD.
> >> >
> >> > Bobby
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: GPL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:58 PM
> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List
> >> > Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
> >> >
> >> > Leaning towards two sticks of:
> >> > CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2
> 6400) Desktop Memory
> >> > Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
> >> > This is on the MB approved ram list, and a hair
> cheaper than the
> >> kingston.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Heres where my list is with my update:
> >> >
> >> > * Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775
> Processor Model
> >> > BX80557E6600 - Retail
> >> > * GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express
> ATX Intel
> >> > Motherboard - Retail
> >> > * EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3
> PCI Express x16 HDCP
> >> > Video Card - Retail
> >> > * CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
> (PC2 6400) Desktop
> >> > Memory Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
> >> > * Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000
> RPM Serial ATA150
> >> > Hard Drive - OEM
> >> > * CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91
> 520W Power Supply -
> >> Retail
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The good news is, I am still under the budget cap
> for the tri-year
> >> upgrade.
> >> > LOL
> >> > In case anyone is wondering, I have case, and HD
> fans here I can use.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

> Don't pick lemons.
> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
>

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

I did know that! thanks...


On 3/27/07, j maccraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Yet you site Corsair XMS as a choice a few posts back?

TwinX is MATCHED PAIRS of XMS. Same item, just tested
as pairs.



GPL wrote:
> I'll be the square one and say it, that memory is
not on the
> Qualified Vendors List/
> lol
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I found this:
>> Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB Kit DDR2-800 XMS2-6400
Xtreme Performance
>> Memory
>> Retail ***Free Shipping***
>>
>> at ZipZoomFly.com for $172-$40 MIR (expires 3/29) =
$132!
>>
>>
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85025-5
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of GPL
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 6:16 PM
>> To: The Hardware List
>> Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
>>
>> interesting read:
>>
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=1&artpage=1962&articID=47

>>
>> 2
>>
>> On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Sorry, meant for this to go to the list.
>> >
>> > Bobby
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Bobby Heid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:23 PM
>> > To: 'GPL'
>> > Subject: RE: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
>> >
>> > I like the list myself.  One thing I would
consider is adding
>> another HD
>> to
>> > the system.  That way, you could put the paging
file on a different
>> > channel/HD from the main HD.
>> >
>> > Bobby
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: GPL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:58 PM
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List
>> > Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
>> >
>> > Leaning towards two sticks of:
>> > CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2
6400) Desktop Memory
>> > Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
>> > This is on the MB approved ram list, and a hair
cheaper than the
>> kingston.
>> >
>> >
>> > Heres where my list is with my update:
>> >
>> > * Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775
Processor Model
>> > BX80557E6600 - Retail
>> > * GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express
ATX Intel
>> > Motherboard - Retail
>> > * EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3
PCI Express x16 HDCP
>> > Video Card - Retail
>> > * CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
(PC2 6400) Desktop
>> > Memory Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
>> > * Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000
RPM Serial ATA150
>> > Hard Drive - OEM
>> > * CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91
520W Power Supply -
>> Retail
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The good news is, I am still under the budget cap
for the tri-year
>> upgrade.
>> > LOL
>> > In case anyone is wondering, I have case, and HD
fans here I can use.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>




Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

I'll be the square one and say it, that memory is not on the
Qualified Vendors List/
lol





On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I found this:
Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB Kit DDR2-800 XMS2-6400 Xtreme Performance Memory
Retail ***Free Shipping***

at ZipZoomFly.com for $172-$40 MIR (expires 3/29) = $132!

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85025-5

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GPL
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 6:16 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

interesting read:
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=1&artpage=1962&articID=47
2

On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry, meant for this to go to the list.
>
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bobby Heid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:23 PM
> To: 'GPL'
> Subject: RE: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
>
> I like the list myself.  One thing I would consider is adding another HD
to
> the system.  That way, you could put the paging file on a different
> channel/HD from the main HD.
>
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: GPL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:58 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
>
> Leaning towards two sticks of:
> CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory
> Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
> This is on the MB approved ram list, and a hair cheaper than the kingston.
>
>
> Heres where my list is with my update:
>
> * Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model
> BX80557E6600 - Retail
> * GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel
> Motherboard - Retail
> * EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
> Video Card - Retail
> * CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop
> Memory Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
> * Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150
> Hard Drive - OEM
> * CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply -
Retail
>
>
>
> The good news is, I am still under the budget cap for the tri-year
upgrade.
> LOL
> In case anyone is wondering, I have case, and HD fans here I can use.
>
>
>
>

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

Well from what I have been reading this afternoon. It looks like I
dont need the DDR800. I'm not overclocking, and if I do it would be a
smidge. I could get away with 533, and dont need to go higher than
667.

On 3/26/07, Raul Limos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 3/27/07, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> interesting read:
> http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=1&artpage=1962&articID=472

I've got Geil Value DDR2-800 memory running at 1:1 ratio with my lowly
E6300 proc. ;-)

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

interesting read:
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=1&artpage=1962&articID=472

On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Sorry, meant for this to go to the list.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:23 PM
To: 'GPL'
Subject: RE: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

I like the list myself.  One thing I would consider is adding another HD to
the system.  That way, you could put the paging file on a different
channel/HD from the main HD.

Bobby

-----Original Message-
From: GPL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

Leaning towards two sticks of:
CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory
Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
This is on the MB approved ram list, and a hair cheaper than the kingston.


Heres where my list is with my update:

* Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model
BX80557E6600 - Retail
* GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel
Motherboard - Retail
* EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
Video Card - Retail
* CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop
Memory Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
* Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150
Hard Drive - OEM
* CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply - Retail



The good news is, I am still under the budget cap for the tri-year upgrade.
LOL
In case anyone is wondering, I have case, and HD fans here I can use.

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

Leaning towards two sticks of:
CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory
Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
This is on the MB approved ram list, and a hair cheaper than the kingston.


Heres where my list is with my update:

* Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model
BX80557E6600 - Retail
* GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel
Motherboard - Retail
* EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
Video Card - Retail
* CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop
Memory Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail
* Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150
Hard Drive - OEM
* CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply - Retail



The good news is, I am still under the budget cap for the tri-year upgrade. LOL
In case anyone is wondering, I have case, and HD fans here I can use.



On 3/26/07, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Gosh I am still leaning towards the GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 mb but the
more I dig the more questions I discover.

I am still looking at getting 2GB worth of memory. Will I go with
DDR667, even though the MB can take up to DDR800? I keep thinking if
the investment is worth it to go for the DDR800?

I'm not planning on overclocking but want to try and get the most out
of the components I am assembling.

Must make a decision soon, I'm anxious to begin the order! :-) :-)




On 3/26/07, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks, I'll take a look. I am hoping to make the order as soon as
> this evening. I think the 680i is a bit more than I need though. Seems
> to be for those higher end OCers.
>
> On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tom's hardware has a roundup of 680i motherboards at
> >
> > http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/22/680i_motherboard_comparison_part_2/
> >
> >
> > In case you are interested.
> > Bobby
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JRS
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:02 PM
> > To: The Hardware List
> > Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
> >
> >
> > http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D975XBX2/index.htm
> > http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bx2/bx2_available.htm
> >
> > Mine's the one on the left on the "available" page, it has the 8 SATA
> > connectors so you can use 4 of them for built in RAID use if you so
> > desire..  :)
> >
> > I am impressed with the on-board sound and build quality of the board in
> > general..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >>WOW! That MB breaks the $200 barrier on newegg!
> > >>
> > >>In a nutshell why is it so much more? Should I be looking at something
> > >>more along those lines?!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

Gosh I am still leaning towards the GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 mb but the
more I dig the more questions I discover.

I am still looking at getting 2GB worth of memory. Will I go with
DDR667, even though the MB can take up to DDR800? I keep thinking if
the investment is worth it to go for the DDR800?

I'm not planning on overclocking but want to try and get the most out
of the components I am assembling.

Must make a decision soon, I'm anxious to begin the order! :-) :-)




On 3/26/07, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks, I'll take a look. I am hoping to make the order as soon as
this evening. I think the 680i is a bit more than I need though. Seems
to be for those higher end OCers.

On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tom's hardware has a roundup of 680i motherboards at
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/22/680i_motherboard_comparison_part_2/
>
>
> In case you are interested.
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JRS
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:02 PM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
>
>
> http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D975XBX2/index.htm
> http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bx2/bx2_available.htm
>
> Mine's the one on the left on the "available" page, it has the 8 SATA
> connectors so you can use 4 of them for built in RAID use if you so
> desire..  :)
>
> I am impressed with the on-board sound and build quality of the board in
> general..
>
>
>
>
> >>WOW! That MB breaks the $200 barrier on newegg!
> >>
> >>In a nutshell why is it so much more? Should I be looking at something
> >>more along those lines?!
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

Thanks, I'll take a look. I am hoping to make the order as soon as
this evening. I think the 680i is a bit more than I need though. Seems
to be for those higher end OCers.

On 3/26/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Tom's hardware has a roundup of 680i motherboards at

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/22/680i_motherboard_comparison_part_2/


In case you are interested.
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JRS
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:02 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07


http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D975XBX2/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bx2/bx2_available.htm

Mine's the one on the left on the "available" page, it has the 8 SATA
connectors so you can use 4 of them for built in RAID use if you so
desire..  :)

I am impressed with the on-board sound and build quality of the board in
general..




>>WOW! That MB breaks the $200 barrier on newegg!
>>
>>In a nutshell why is it so much more? Should I be looking at something
>>more along those lines?!
>>
>>
>>

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

WOW! That MB breaks the $200 barrier on newegg!

In a nutshell why is it so much more? Should I be looking at something
more along those lines?!




On 3/26/07, JRS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I just did mine, went with E6600 as best bang for the buck too...

Intel Badaxe 975 mobo (D975XBX2)
E6600 with 4 meg cache, retail fan
2 gigs of OCZ DDR800 memory
New nNvidia 7950GT 512 meg PCI-Express video card

Mushkin Enhanced 580 watt PS
Mentioned this in the other thread about Vista and our new systems, and
this is the PS I went with...

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1047/mushkin_enhanced_hp_580ap_psu_with_rail_fusion/index.html

In a nutshell, I love this thing.   :)

Modular, so other than mobo connections, I only had to attach one cable for
the PCI Xpress video card, one for all 4 HD's, and one for both DVD/CDRW's.
With the 120mm fan, it's almost silent..

I know it's not DX10, but I did have to go back into all my games and bump
them up to max viewing pleasure since the system handles it now.  :)  I
used to play most stuff at just 1024x768 with no AA and such..



>>My last rebuild, 2003 so I'm excited to get this new project going.
>>The only thing I plan on re-using is my chieftec tower. I'm pulling
>>the guts out of it and putting it in another tower. That p4 3.2 still
>>does regular PC work just fine -- but I want to get back into the
>>higher end gaming.
>>
>>My budget is around $1600, I don't need to spend it all but want a
>>good gaming machine. If I need to spend a little more, I might be able
>>to if I'm out of my realm. Most of the stuff I play are first person
>>shooters, C&C type games (New one coming!), and flight simulators like
>>MSFS and IL2.
>>
>>So far I have settled on the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 since I can't
>>justify the extra price of the Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 per its
>>performance.
>>
>>I believe I'm also going with a single Western Digital Raptor
>>WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM hard drive.
>>
>>I also want 2GB of ram too, I used CRUCIAL on my last PC.
>>
>>I'm open to all suggestions as I research some more. I'm open to
>>motherboard, memory type, especially VIDEO CARD, and also a POWER
>>SUPPLY.
>>
>>I'm staying with XP for now, but will do VISTA later in '07.
>>
>>TIA for suggestions!
>>
>>-George
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Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

I am not dead set on SLI, really just a matter of keeping my options
open if circumstances change. But your response is good information or
me from someone who has BEEN THERE, so thank you for contributing!

On 3/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well, I personally think that SLI and Crossfire are a mugs game after investing 
in both and being sorely dissapointed. Firstly I had dual 7800GTXs and then I 
had X1950XTXs.never again will I run dual gfx cards.

Many games do not benefit from the technology and many others show glitches 
(from graphical corruption to VSync being unavailable)and all for a few 
extra FPS when running on stupidly high resolutions. The nVidia profiles 
actually disable SLI in a number of games, without even telling you it's doing 
it.

My 8800GTX can run everything I have thrown at it @ 2560x1600 (4xAA).

If you are dead set on SLI though, check that the titles you play work properly 
with it.also if you don't like wasting money, never turn SLI off, then you 
won't realise how much money you have wasted ;)

Regards,

Jason Tozer
Database Analyst
London
Ext 1131 - 3SC.5


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 26 March 2007 14:12
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07


A few months ago when I originally started to look for components I
had the P5B high on my list.  But I changed my mind recently, read
some onboard sound problems, and the choice of video card I wanted to
use.

Here are a couple MBs I looked at of the P5B flavor.

ASUS P5B Deluxe LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $178
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131045

ASUS P5B LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $123
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131030


Keep in mind i might run with an SLI setup in the future. These boards
do not seem to support that, and since I'm going with the 8800GTX
these may not be right for me right now.

I don't mind spending a little more on a motherboard than what the
Gigabyte 965 costs if it does what I want and gives me the performance
I am looking for.





On 3/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd stay away from the Gigabyte 965 boards, many people seem to have issues 
with them and most comment on their bad build quality.
>
> Asus seems to be the best mobo manufacturer for Conroe CPUs at the moment. 
The P5B series is about as solid as they come. Grab one, some 667 DDR2 RAM and an 
E4300 and you have a cheap way of hitting 3GHz (these chips hit 3GHz without 
breaking a sweat).
>
> Then pick up an 8800GTS and you have quite a beast :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Jason Tozer
> Database Analyst
> London
> Ext 1131 - 3SC.5
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of GPL
> Sent: 24 March 2007 02:17
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
>
>
> My last rebuild, 2003 so I'm excited to get this new project going.
> The only thing I plan on re-using is my chieftec tower. I'm pulling
> the guts out of it and putting it in another tower. That p4 3.2 still
> does regular PC work just fine -- but I want to get back into the
> higher end gaming.
>
> My budget is around $1600, I don't need to spend it all but want a
> good gaming machine. If I need to spend a little more, I might be able
> to if I'm out of my realm. Most of the stuff I play are first person
> shooters, C&C type games (New one coming!), and flight simulators like
> MSFS and IL2.
>
> So far I have settled on the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 since I can't
> justify the extra price of the Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 per its
> performance.
>
> I believe I'm also going with a single Western Digital Raptor
> WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM hard drive.
>
> I also want 2GB of ram too, I used CRUCIAL on my last PC.
>
> I'm open to all suggestions as I research some more. I'm open to
> motherboard, memory type, especially VIDEO CARD, and also a POWER
> SUPPLY.
>
> I'm staying with XP for now, but will do VISTA later in '07.
>
> TIA for suggestions!
>
> -George
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Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

A few months ago when I originally started to look for components I
had the P5B high on my list.  But I changed my mind recently, read
some onboard sound problems, and the choice of video card I wanted to
use.

Here are a couple MBs I looked at of the P5B flavor.

ASUS P5B Deluxe LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $178
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131045

ASUS P5B LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $123
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131030


Keep in mind i might run with an SLI setup in the future. These boards
do not seem to support that, and since I'm going with the 8800GTX
these may not be right for me right now.

I don't mind spending a little more on a motherboard than what the
Gigabyte 965 costs if it does what I want and gives me the performance
I am looking for.





On 3/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'd stay away from the Gigabyte 965 boards, many people seem to have issues 
with them and most comment on their bad build quality.

Asus seems to be the best mobo manufacturer for Conroe CPUs at the moment. The 
P5B series is about as solid as they come. Grab one, some 667 DDR2 RAM and an 
E4300 and you have a cheap way of hitting 3GHz (these chips hit 3GHz without 
breaking a sweat).

Then pick up an 8800GTS and you have quite a beast :)

Regards,

Jason Tozer
Database Analyst
London
Ext 1131 - 3SC.5


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 24 March 2007 02:17
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07


My last rebuild, 2003 so I'm excited to get this new project going.
The only thing I plan on re-using is my chieftec tower. I'm pulling
the guts out of it and putting it in another tower. That p4 3.2 still
does regular PC work just fine -- but I want to get back into the
higher end gaming.

My budget is around $1600, I don't need to spend it all but want a
good gaming machine. If I need to spend a little more, I might be able
to if I'm out of my realm. Most of the stuff I play are first person
shooters, C&C type games (New one coming!), and flight simulators like
MSFS and IL2.

So far I have settled on the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 since I can't
justify the extra price of the Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 per its
performance.

I believe I'm also going with a single Western Digital Raptor
WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM hard drive.

I also want 2GB of ram too, I used CRUCIAL on my last PC.

I'm open to all suggestions as I research some more. I'm open to
motherboard, memory type, especially VIDEO CARD, and also a POWER
SUPPLY.

I'm staying with XP for now, but will do VISTA later in '07.

TIA for suggestions!

-George
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Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

> >GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard
> - Retail
> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003

This is a good board to be sure, but I don't understand why you aren't
considering a 650i or 680i-based solution...




I knew this would happen, I was just too curious NOT to go in and look
a little deeper at the nvidia flavors. Which got me thinking. SINCE I
am going with an  nvidia 8800GTX would I be best suited with something
like an NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI type mother board.

I wouldnt need the 680i since if I did a skosh of overclocking it would be news.

You know, shoot -- this is a big investment and I can wait another day
or two to hear peoples input based on their experiences.

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

BLING? LOL.. I did notice that and removed the X model. I don't need
to pay for a window I won't be looking at.

I guess I have heard enough good about the GIGABYTE motherboard that I
don't need to continue digging. Is there a feeling that a 650i or
680i-based solution is going to do me any better, or give me the same
for less price? I just heard good things, and read good things about
the GIGABYTE motherboard and didn't dig beyond that TOO FAR.
Researching is key, I understand that. I try to read and ask forum
members for help like I am doing now.

AS FOR THE MEMORY, now I am going back and forth again on that. I went
and pulled out the Qualified Vendors List (QVL) FILE
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/MemorySupport/motherboard_memory_ga-965p-ds3.pdf

Either my eyes are playing tricks on me, or I don't see the Kingston
DDR2 667 KVR667D2N5K2 ram on that list. HMMM...

I see:

Kingston 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory
Model KVR800D2N5/1G - Retail on newegg $115
And..
CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory
Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail on newegg $99

Other than not being ON THE LIST, I know the board is rated up to 800
(PC2 6400) but is the extra cost of this memory worth the performance
returned? It may be a moot point if I go solely by the Qualified
Vendors List.




Heres where my list is, but the memory issue is going to probably
adjust the list below:

* Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model
BX80557E6600 - Retail
* GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel
Motherboard - Retail
* EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
Video Card - Retail
* Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR667D2N5K2/2G - Retail
* Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150
Hard Drive - OEM
* CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply - Retail



By the way I am not sold on buying everything from new egg. Once I
have my components chosen, I'll probably use pricegrabber to find the
best price/shipping combo. I APPRECIATE EVERYONES INPUT!

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

IMNSHO I believe that you'll be very happy with the system as you
have it outlined. Did you say what case you're going to put it in ?




thanks for the reply! i have a chieftec tower from '03, shes big!

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

I'm still under the budget cap. What about a little more memory on
both the system RAM and video card? I was looking at these:

Kingston HyperX 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134012


EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express
x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130071&ATT...a&C

Suggestions on this topic? Different parts maybe?

I would REALLY prefer to have this one:

EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express
x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130072

But I just dont know if the price difference per performance is worth it.






On 3/25/07, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Oops! The actual link to the MB is:

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128012




On 3/25/07, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alright everyone, been doing some reading and assembling lists. Below
> is what I have so far as a go unless I get shot down with a
> recommendation or suggestion to change my mind:
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775
> Processor - Retail
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003
>
> GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003
>
> Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual
> Channel Kit Desktop Memory
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820134046
>
> CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply 100
> - 240 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001
>
> Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial
> ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136011
>
> EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express
> x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130082
>
> I think it looks good, what do you folks think about the MEMORY? Do
> you think thats the best I can use for this combo of parts or would
> some other ram be a better choice? As for Video card, I guess I'm a
> bit limited to wanting something that can give me DX10 for when I
> finally DO go Vista. I know the tims hardware chart is subjective and
> of opinions of others but I use it as a point of reference. This 8800
> isnt beating out some of the other cards but the other cards are DX9.
> Let me know if I'm off in my thought process.
>
> Anyway I'm looking forward to doing some ordering, look forward to a
> green light :)
>

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

Oops! The actual link to the MB is:

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128012




On 3/25/07, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Alright everyone, been doing some reading and assembling lists. Below
is what I have so far as a go unless I get shot down with a
recommendation or suggestion to change my mind:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775
Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003

Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820134046

CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply 100
- 240 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001

Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial
ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136011

EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express
x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130082

I think it looks good, what do you folks think about the MEMORY? Do
you think thats the best I can use for this combo of parts or would
some other ram be a better choice? As for Video card, I guess I'm a
bit limited to wanting something that can give me DX10 for when I
finally DO go Vista. I know the tims hardware chart is subjective and
of opinions of others but I use it as a point of reference. This 8800
isnt beating out some of the other cards but the other cards are DX9.
Let me know if I'm off in my thought process.

Anyway I'm looking forward to doing some ordering, look forward to a
green light :)

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

Alright everyone, been doing some reading and assembling lists. Below
is what I have so far as a go unless I get shot down with a
recommendation or suggestion to change my mind:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775
Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003

Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820134046

CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply 100
- 240 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001

Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial
ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136011

EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express
x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130082

I think it looks good, what do you folks think about the MEMORY? Do
you think thats the best I can use for this combo of parts or would
some other ram be a better choice? As for Video card, I guess I'm a
bit limited to wanting something that can give me DX10 for when I
finally DO go Vista. I know the tims hardware chart is subjective and
of opinions of others but I use it as a point of reference. This 8800
isnt beating out some of the other cards but the other cards are DX9.
Let me know if I'm off in my thought process.

Anyway I'm looking forward to doing some ordering, look forward to a
green light :)

Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

I was looking at the GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 this afternoon. Lots of
options out here.

On 3/24/07, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I was looking at pairing the E6400 with the  GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3.

On 3/24/07, Greg Sevart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The E6600 (as originally mentioned) is a vastly superior option. Pick up any
> 680i board (EVGA 122-CK-NF68).
> I'd suggest the Raptor you were looking at, and the Seasonic S12-600 is a
> fantastic power supply.
> Corsair memory has always been my favorite, so that suggestion is solid.
>
> Greg
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j maccraw
> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:16 AM
> > To: The Hardware List
> > Subject: Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07
> >
> > I was tinkering with some part ideas for a buddy:
> >
> > Asus M2M WS Pro   $258.00
> > AMD AM2 Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 5200+ Socket $200
> > Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400C4 2GB DDR2-800$214
> > Coolermaster STC-T01-UBK  $129
> > Seasonic S12 600W $150
> > SAPPHIRE Radeon X1950 XT 512MB$299
> > Seagate 7200.10 Barracuda 500GB SATA-II   $150
> >
> > About $1400.
> >
> > Brian Weeden wrote:
> > > X1950 XT is a pretty good mid-range video card right
> > now, around $200 or
> > > so.
> > >
> > > On 3/23/07, GPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >> My last rebuild, 2003 so I'm excited to get this
> > new project going.
> > >> The only thing I plan on re-using is my chieftec
> > tower. I'm pulling
> > >> the guts out of it and putting it in another tower.
> > That p4 3.2 still
> > >> does regular PC work just fine -- but I want to get
> > back into the
> > >> higher end gaming.
> > >>
> > >> My budget is around $1600, I don't need to spend it
> > all but want a
> > >> good gaming machine. If I need to spend a little
> > more, I might be able
> > >> to if I'm out of my realm. Most of the stuff I play
> > are first person
> > >> shooters, C&C type games (New one coming!), and
> > flight simulators like
> > >> MSFS and IL2.
> > >>
> > >> So far I have settled on the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
> > since I can't
> > >> justify the extra price of the Intel Core 2 Duo
> > E6700 per its
> > >> performance.
> > >>
> > >> I believe I'm also going with a single Western
> > Digital Raptor
> > >> WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM hard drive.
> > >>
> > >> I also want 2GB of ram too, I used CRUCIAL on my
> > last PC.
> > >>
> > >> I'm open to all suggestions as I research some
> > more. I'm open to
> > >> motherboard, memory type, especially VIDEO CARD,
> > and also a POWER
> > >> SUPPLY.
> > >>
> > >> I'm staying with XP for now, but will do VISTA
> > later in '07.
> > >>
> > >> TIA for suggestions!
> > >>
> > >> -George
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>


--
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Re: [H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

Theres a buzz about a price drop on intel in less than a month. But I
would hate to wait for a less than a month time frame for a $20 price
drop. Or even it pushing it to 6 weeks. What do you folks hear?

[H] Need Advice: My PC Build '07

[GPL]

My last rebuild, 2003 so I'm excited to get this new project going.
The only thing I plan on re-using is my chieftec tower. I'm pulling
the guts out of it and putting it in another tower. That p4 3.2 still
does regular PC work just fine -- but I want to get back into the
higher end gaming.

My budget is around $1600, I don't need to spend it all but want a
good gaming machine. If I need to spend a little more, I might be able
to if I'm out of my realm. Most of the stuff I play are first person
shooters, C&C type games (New one coming!), and flight simulators like
MSFS and IL2.

So far I have settled on the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 since I can't
justify the extra price of the Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 per its
performance.

I believe I'm also going with a single Western Digital Raptor
WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM hard drive.

I also want 2GB of ram too, I used CRUCIAL on my last PC.

I'm open to all suggestions as I research some more. I'm open to
motherboard, memory type, especially VIDEO CARD, and also a POWER
SUPPLY.

I'm staying with XP for now, but will do VISTA later in '07.

TIA for suggestions!

-George

Re: [H] When will we see DX10 Video Cards?

[GPL]

I'll probably wait until Vista comes out to build. I mean we are only
looking at January or February.

I was hoping some decent options for DX10 video cards would be worthy
of purchase by then.








On 10/26/06, Anthony Q. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Just wait 'til vista comes out and get/build a new machine on that platform.
Then upgrade.  That way, you won't have to let your hard earned dollars burn
a hole in your pockets. :)


GPL wrote:
:: I have done a lot of reading over the weeks. Reading a lot of
:: conflicting information. I'm holding off on building a new PC because
:: I'm not sure if DX10 cards will be out Early 2007 or Late 2007! I am
:: betting there are people on this list that have been in the biz with
:: the info and able to get a better read on what might happen better
:: than I can.
::
:: I know I will need vista to use DX10. I dont want it. I am fine with
:: XP. I know I will need it. WHY? I'm a private pilot that is not able
:: to fly as much as I would like and spend a lot of spare time inside
:: Microsofts Flight Simulator. FSX is out and will utilize DX10, and
:: its killing a lot of so-called high end machines out there now. My
:: P4 3.2, 1GB DDR Ram, ATI 9800XT 256MB rig surely will fall to its
:: knees. I have saved enough to build NOW, but am trying with all my
:: might to be PATIENT and wait.
::
:: If its going to be a year before we see DX10 cards, maybe I'll just
:: pull the trigger and build the best dual core PC I can muster with my
:: hard saved funds. If its a few months out I'll wait.
::
:: BUT NOT KNOWING IS A DIFFICULT PILL TO SWALLOW! Especially when you
:: are ready NOW.
::
:: What do you folks think?
::
:: Thanks!

Re: [H] When will we see DX10 Video Cards?

[GPL]

You didnt care for the GeForce 8800?

On 10/25/06, Tozer, Jason (IT-LON) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Having seen the GeForce 8800 I can say that I will be waiting for the second round of 
DX10 cards.2 PCI-E power connectors and a fan like a leaf-blower >.<

Regards,

Jason Tozer
Database Analyst
London
Ext 1131 - 3SC.5


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of GPL
Sent: 24 October 2006 21:45
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] When will we see DX10 Video Cards?


I have done a lot of reading over the weeks. Reading a lot of
conflicting information. I'm holding off on building a new PC because
I'm not sure if DX10 cards will be out Early 2007 or Late 2007! I am
betting there are people on this list that have been in the biz with
the info and able to get a better read on what might happen better
than I can.

I know I will need vista to use DX10. I dont want it. I am fine with
XP. I know I will need it. WHY? I'm a private pilot that is not able
to fly as much as I would like and spend a lot of spare time inside
Microsofts Flight Simulator. FSX is out and will utilize DX10, and its
killing a lot of so-called high end machines out there now. My P4 3.2,
1GB DDR Ram, ATI 9800XT 256MB rig surely will fall to its knees. I
have saved enough to build NOW, but am trying with all my might to be
PATIENT and wait.

If its going to be a year before we see DX10 cards, maybe I'll just
pull the trigger and build the best dual core PC I can muster with my
hard saved funds. If its a few months out I'll wait.

BUT NOT KNOWING IS A DIFFICULT PILL TO SWALLOW! Especially when you
are ready NOW.

What do you folks think?

Thanks!


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Re: [H] Dual core, quad core processors hit a snag?

[GPL]

If we are talking a few weeks then I am looking at a nice Christmas
gift for myself.

On 10/24/06, Veech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It's a tough call.   I've been holding off on my upgrade for months, waiting
for Core 2 Duo to hit.  Now seems the time, if I can get a C2D board that
supports SLI at 16X, then it's a lock for me.  But G80 may make me wait a
bit longer than I expected, it's just a few short weeks away.

Veech

- Original Message -
From: "GPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: [H] Dual core, quad core processors hit a snag?


> Wonder how many of you have read this article:
> http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1839/
>
> Author makes me think. We have these dual core CPU's but are they worth it
> NOW?
>
> This can be very confusing. What are we saying here? That an old intel
> p4 2.6 will give you roughly the same performance as a dual core
> running at 2.66 (I believe thats a 6700)? I mean I know the FSB and
> CACHE is higher on the dual core but is that the only performance
> increase I would see on a $500 cpu purchase because its not really
> being utilized by my games and OS?
>
>
>
> Just something to think out loud about for us with out the hardware to
> run the tests ourselves! :)

Re: [H] When will we see DX10 Video Cards?

[GPL]

I have done some time in IL2 with some friends, not as much in CFS. As
for MSFS, the last version with scenery and road add-ons my local area
was almost exact. I used it a lot for navigation work. Your not going
to learn how to land in MSFS, LOL. But it will help you if you know
what you are doing already, keep sharp on checklists, navigation, etc.
Plus I like eye candy :-)

The sitting on the fence thing is worse when you have some $$ to burn
which doesnt come often.  :-)



On 10/24/06, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

sitting on the fence can be a bitch, I have a permanent seat there lately <:-|
I am a private pilot ( single engine and Glider) and did not like MS flight 
sim, just not the same, now combat flight sims better imo

fp

At 01:45 PM 10/24/2006, GPL Poked the stick with:
>I have done a lot of reading over the weeks. Reading a lot of
>conflicting information. I'm holding off on building a new PC because
>I'm not sure if DX10 cards will be out Early 2007 or Late 2007! I am
>betting there are people on this list that have been in the biz with
>the info and able to get a better read on what might happen better
>than I can.
>
>I know I will need vista to use DX10. I dont want it. I am fine with
>XP. I know I will need it. WHY? I'm a private pilot that is not able
>to fly as much as I would like and spend a lot of spare time inside
>Microsofts Flight Simulator. FSX is out and will utilize DX10, and its
>killing a lot of so-called high end machines out there now. My P4 3.2,
>1GB DDR Ram, ATI 9800XT 256MB rig surely will fall to its knees. I
>have saved enough to build NOW, but am trying with all my might to be
>PATIENT and wait.
>
>If its going to be a year before we see DX10 cards, maybe I'll just
>pull the trigger and build the best dual core PC I can muster with my
>hard saved funds. If its a few months out I'll wait.
>
>BUT NOT KNOWING IS A DIFFICULT PILL TO SWALLOW! Especially when you
>are ready NOW.
>
>What do you folks think?
>
>Thanks!

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[H] Dual core, quad core processors hit a snag?

[GPL]

Wonder how many of you have read this article:
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1839/

Author makes me think. We have these dual core CPU's but are they worth it NOW?

This can be very confusing. What are we saying here? That an old intel
p4 2.6 will give you roughly the same performance as a dual core
running at 2.66 (I believe thats a 6700)? I mean I know the FSB and
CACHE is higher on the dual core but is that the only performance
increase I would see on a $500 cpu purchase because its not really
being utilized by my games and OS?



Just something to think out loud about for us with out the hardware to
run the tests ourselves! :)

[H] When will we see DX10 Video Cards?

[GPL]

I have done a lot of reading over the weeks. Reading a lot of
conflicting information. I'm holding off on building a new PC because
I'm not sure if DX10 cards will be out Early 2007 or Late 2007! I am
betting there are people on this list that have been in the biz with
the info and able to get a better read on what might happen better
than I can.

I know I will need vista to use DX10. I dont want it. I am fine with
XP. I know I will need it. WHY? I'm a private pilot that is not able
to fly as much as I would like and spend a lot of spare time inside
Microsofts Flight Simulator. FSX is out and will utilize DX10, and its
killing a lot of so-called high end machines out there now. My P4 3.2,
1GB DDR Ram, ATI 9800XT 256MB rig surely will fall to its knees. I
have saved enough to build NOW, but am trying with all my might to be
PATIENT and wait.

If its going to be a year before we see DX10 cards, maybe I'll just
pull the trigger and build the best dual core PC I can muster with my
hard saved funds. If its a few months out I'll wait.

BUT NOT KNOWING IS A DIFFICULT PILL TO SWALLOW! Especially when you
are ready NOW.

What do you folks think?

Thanks!

[H] Experiences using LCD monitors for Gaming/Flight Sims

[GPL]

I'm working on reworking my office/gaming/TV combo room. I have a few 21 and 19 CRT monitors I want to replace (get rid of!) to save space. 
I'm have been looking at LCD monitors recently, trying to get the lingo and facts down on them. 
Reviewing specs like Response Time needing to be low (2ms, 5ms, 8ms, etc), contrast ratio needing to be high (700:1, 600:1, 500:1, etc), brightness needing to be high (270 cd/m2, 300 cd/m2, etc), native resolutions needing to be in the range I like to play the game, and having a DVI connection.

I know there have been issues in the past with gaming and LCD monitors with things like ghosting and color but I just don't have any experience with gaming on an LCD monitor.
Are many of you on the list gaming using LCD monitors? How do you like it? I would be interested in reading about your experience with it compared to the CRT or anything you can share from experience I need to look out for.

I have looked at some widescreen options but I think that might frak up some of the views in gaming if the resolution is not supported. 
I have been looking at 19's although I have a 21 CRT. I'm not sure of this but I think I read that a 21 inch CRT is comparable to a 20 inch LCD because of how they measure the LCD screen, not sure on that. Don't want to lose too much of my viewable screen since I'm used to a 21 for gaming and flight simulation but I have to consolidate some space here.

The brite screen looking monitors look very nice, I'm wondering if they are worth the price.
Kids in the house make you need to reorganize, at least for me!
Thanks in advance for your input if you have any!
:-)

[H] Laptop Battery Replacement

[GPL]

My Dell 600m battery seems to be done for. After a full charge it only keeps the laptop running for about 5-10 minutes. I went to dell and they are selling the replacement battery for approximately $100 more than some online retailers. I don't mind not buying it from dell if its going to save me $100. 

 
Anything anyone can recommend I be aware of? Anything to look for? I assume if I just match up the specs and computer I can find a quality battery replacement.