RE: [ilugd] OSA Open Source Architecture from Redhat
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] i.org] On Behalf Of Tarun Dua Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:53 PM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: [ilugd] OSA Open Source Architecture from Redhat quote solutions today are constructed in an ad-hoc fashion. As a result, different deployments include different components (clustering, Java, security, database, etc.) to meet the varying needs of the higher-level applications. /quote http://www.redhat.com/software/architecture/fo rward.html http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/esoftstack.html Shouldn't this include software update/application delivery mechanisms in the list. SoftwareUpdate/Application Delivery MS:Install-Shield OSS:RPM,apt-get,apt-rpm Commercial Unix: ??? Thanks. I agree. Just added that in. -Tarun Dua http://www.tarundua.net When will I ever update this site ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Postgres vs oracle
Incidentally, this is also true for most commerical databases. The space of delete rows is not returned to OS automatically. while shutting down the database is not necessary but trying to return space back to OS does have a significant performance penalty and is not recommeneded on productions systems (at least in oracle and SQL Server). Tarun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gurpreet Singh Sachdeva Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 2:10 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list; The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: RE: [ilugd] Postgres vs oracle Correct! To be more precise: The standard form of VACUUM is best used with the goal of maintaining a fairly level steady-state usage of disk space. The standard form finds old tuples and makes their space available for re-use within the table, but it does not try very hard to shorten the table file and return disk space to the operating system. If you need to return disk space to the operating system you can use VACUUM FULL --- but what's the point of releasing disk space that will only have to be allocated again soon? Moderately frequent standard VACUUMs are a better approach than infrequent VACUUM FULLs for maintaining heavily-updated tables. Recommended practice for most sites is to schedule a database-wide VACUUM once a day at a lowusage time of day, supplemented by more frequent vacuuming of heavily-updated tables if necessary. (If you have multiple databases in an installation, don't forget to vacuum each one; the vacuumdb script may be helpful.) Use plain VACUUM, not VACUUM FULL, for routine vacuuming for space recovery. VACUUM FULL is recommended for cases where you know you have deleted the majority of tuples in a table, so that the steady-state size of the table can be shrunk substantially with VACUUM FULL's more aggressive approach. If you have a table whose contents are deleted completely every so often, consider doing it with TRUNCATE rather than using DELETE followed by VACUUM. Gurpreet Singh Sachdeva -Original Message- From: Raj Mathur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 10/16/2003 5:38 PM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Cc: Subject: Re: [ilugd] Postgres vs oracle -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ambar == Ambar Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surely NO...so we would certainly be interested to know some of your Ambar Biggest Internet Sites running on open source. Geocrawler use Postgres. Ambar Intresting thing about Geocrawler AudioGalaxy using Ambar postgres was that both of these sites seemed to go offline Ambar for daily maintainence during the middle of the day here in Ambar India. Both the sites ran Postgresql, and were probably Ambar running a daily database cleanup. IMHO this is what has Ambar kept me away from considering postgresql for serious Ambar databases. Has this issue of regular database maintainence Ambar been solved by the recent versions of postgresql? PostgreSQL (PgSQL) has two types of ``cleanup'': vacuum and vacuum full. The first (plain vacuum) merely marked unused (deleted) disk clusters as free but does not compact the physical database. The second (vacuum full) does all that and also physically compacts the database on disk. Using vacuum full will lock up your database, no queries or transactions will be possible while it is running. However most databases achieve a sort of `steady state' (roughly the same number of records being added and deleted regularly) and plain vacuum suffices for that. Transactions are possible during vacuum, and most installations will prefer to use that periodically over vacuum full. It's only if your database sizes vary wildly over the course of time that you'll need to use vacuum full (and consequently bring the system down for maintenance). The above is from my understanding of PgSQL, would appreciate clarifications in case I've missed anything out. Ambar Another intresting thing about postgresql is that while the Ambar web hosting control panels on Linux used to only support Ambar MySQL, cPanel Plesk now have support for Postgresql. To Ambar me this is a good sign. Now even smaller sites can start Ambar using Postgresql. Regards, - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux)
RE: [ilugd] Postgres vs oracle
Did some research over the weekend. First of all some good news: Heavy duty sites that run Postgres include; A) RubyForge (rubyforge.org). They have 300K records. Not too many but moderately high. B) .org domain. c) sourceforge used to run postgres. AFAIK, they moved out because IBM made that a condition for funding them and not because of any issues with postgres. Now, the bad news: Postgres is still not clusterable. What postgres calls clustering is using triggers to copy data from one server to another. This is not what is usually meant by database clusters. There would be no good way to handle globally unique columns or handle conflicting writes and transactions in general. (If you call using triggers and copy clustering. I have a geographically distributed mysql cluster that uses rsync and cron !!) When I say database cluster, I mean that you put a bullet thru one of the servers while your query is running and your query still returns the right results as if nothing happened. This can be achieved by something like mounting RAID-5 (or raid-10) (software or hardware) on two postgres boxes to somehow mirror data over two servers and the two servers somehow aware which of them is writing which block so that they do not knock each other's writes. Seems like that is pretty far away. To be precise, it is not really RAID but actually raid-like-transparent-mirroring-over-network and does not exist in mainstream linux kernel. However, it seems oracle is giving similar technology (called OpenGFS)(http://otn.oracle.com/tech/linux/open_source.html) as well as tools to run this kind of network over firewire or fibre. (100 Mbps might end up being too slow for such an exercise). IMHO, oracle is giving this technology away so that they can sell more RAC licenses on linux. However, oracle or not, I would prefer seeing something similar to OpenGFS integrated into main stream kernel (I believe the closest today in mainstream kernel would be mounting network block devices in somekind of software RAID volumes). Other than clustering, things that are currently not in postges but exists in oracle: A) materialized views (views that are calculated early on and not just-in-time) B) index-organized tables (where the entire table is in index. Great for performance on narrow tables) C) database links (this is linking columns to point at values in other databases) D) point-in-time recovery (restore database state to as on XXX) E) nested transactions F) savepoint G) good cursor support (Right now executing a query fetches the entire result set in memory. This is not scalable). This is easy to do for simple cases but probably very difficult for queries inside transactions H) execute batch /bulk updates etc. (there is copy but that is not standard) i) peripheral tools. Lot of people use oracle forms and reports. I have not heard of anything similar for postgres. It would be also nice to have some good migration tools. J) tablespaces K) multi-column function-based indexes Many things just came in 7.3 and are not completely tested. They inculded: A) stored procedures that can return result sets (table functions) B) schema support C) prepared queries D) dependancy tracking E) good secuirty and priviledge model (before 7.3 it was rather elementary) F) improved internationalization support (this still has to go some way) tarun ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] linux-delhi meet 19th oct
I am landing back in delhi on Monday. So if it is this Sunday, I will have to miss. Else I will definitely be there. tarun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tarun Dua Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:24 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] linux-delhi meet 19th oct On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:15, LinuxLingam wrote: doesn't that compute to 19th october, a couple of days from today Give me the time and place of your choosing and I'll be there ;-) -Tarun ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] [lb/2003] Linux Bangalore/2003 Speaker registration now open
Does Linux Banglore provide some kind of financial assistance to their speakers? Like air travel from Delhi to Banglore. Tarun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kishore Bhargava Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:06 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: [ilugd] [lb/2003] Linux Bangalore/2003 Speaker registration now open Came in from ILUG-Bangalore: -- All: We are happy to announce that speaker registration for Linux Bangalore/2003 is now open. If you wish to give a talk at Linux Bangalore/2003, please head for http://linux-bangalore.org/2003/register/ Also make sure that you read the speaker guide before you submit a talk http://linux-bangalore.org/2003/guides/speakers.php Please note that speaker registration will be provisionally open till November 8th. We will occasionally publish lists of submitted (not *selected*) talks to give people an idea of what others are talking about, but shortlisting for the 70+ talk slots will happen only after this deadline, after which speakers will immediately be informed. During this period, we will be interacting with speakers in email to help them fine tune their talks/topics. We request speakers *not* to bombard the managers with enquiries about whether their talk has been selected, because *no* talk will be *selected* before the November 8th deadline. Till then, we are simply collecting and evaluating talk proposals. The final schedule of talks will appear on the website in the last week of November. Outstation speakers are requested to give us a reference to your local Linux/OpenSource community that you participate in to help us with the evaluation process. OK, that's the first bell for Linux Bangalore/2003 ;-), and is the beginning of a flood of announcements. If you want to participate in the discussions about the event, you should be on the event mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remember - this is an Open Source community event, and will only work with the support of the Open Source community. That means *you*, amigo! ;-) Atul -- Linux Bangalore/2003 - India's biggest Open Source event December 2-4, Bangalore, India http://linux-bangalore.org/2003 ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Postgres vs oracle
We have a customer application on oracle. They want to crate a small footprint version of it to be sold at a cheaper price. I want to suggest that Postgres could be the right choice of database for that as it is close to oracle in its sql syntax and hence porting should be simpler. Can anybody guide me on what kind of pitfalls we could run into by choosing Postgres. The database is not very large but is much larger than what goes for database in mysql discussions (about 1 GB of data, 100 tables with about 10-50 MB added every day)? In particular, I would be interested in hearing from people who have run moderately large databases on postgres and how fast they found it. I have heard that it is possible to now provide replication and fail over with postgres. Has anybody tried it? Tarun ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] MS.NET cds installable on solaris required
I can tell you the way to install the same C.D.S. on the machine that currently has solaris. How much will you pay? :D [party at next ILUGD meeting !!] (don't tell me that you bought such an expensive and industrial class operating system as Solaris; and you have no money to spare). Tarun P.S. And do take my advice. Your company is spoiling you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manav Arora Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ilugd] MS.NET cds installable on solaris required HI I want the MS.NET cds installable on solaris as the cds i have r installable only on the microsofts os .If any one has these cds pls contact me at:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bye Manav Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Post your profile. ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Postgres vs oracle
Gupreet, It is a real application. It's an OLTP appliaction for banking and credit card industry. From a concurrency point of view, I expect about 200 connections to the database in the worst case and a fifth of that on the average. however, if postgres cannot handle that kind of user connections; that is fine too. I just need to know the number it can handle and then I will find a way of dividing the data over 2 or more servers such that each gets lesser load. A little off-topic, but A little research on the web mentions that Postgres Query optimizer is weak and in general one should optimize the queries by hand (we have to do the same for oracle anyway. For that kind of database size, I do not trust the query optimizer any way). Is that true? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gurpreet Singh Sachdeva Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 2:32 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list; The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: RE: [ilugd] Postgres vs oracle Hi Tarun, I think you are trying to compare a Apple with a Water Melon. But any case if you are really facing a real time scenario, please make it clear. what exactly the application you are running and how many concurrent user you are expecting to be there as concurrency is a major factor which can cause ample amount of problems for the DBA. I make sure that I would be able to solve all your queries. Regards, Gurpreet Singh Sachdeva -Original Message- From: Tarun Upadhyay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 10/10/2003 9:50 PM To: 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list' Cc: Subject: [ilugd] Postgres vs oracle We have a customer application on oracle. They want to crate a small footprint version of it to be sold at a cheaper price. I want to suggest that Postgres could be the right choice of database for that as it is close to oracle in its sql syntax and hence porting should be simpler. Can anybody guide me on what kind of pitfalls we could run into by choosing Postgres. The database is not very large but is much larger than what goes for database in mysql discussions (about 1 GB of data, 100 tables with about 10-50 MB added every day)? In particular, I would be interested in hearing from people who have run moderately large databases on postgres and how fast they found it. I have heard that it is possible to now provide replication and fail over with postgres. Has anybody tried it? Tarun ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] .NET CDS INSTALLABLE ON SOLARIS REQ
Dude, What is a .net CDS ? Is this CDS somekind of linux software that runs on solaris too? You sure its not a virus or trojan? If you tell me its full form then may be I can help you find it. Finally, what is win 200 server? Another virus or trojan you heard about? I tell you dude, a good guy like you has no business poking with viruses. Spend your time in something productive like linux. And where do you hear about all this weird virus. You need to sit in the right company. T :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manav Arora Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:34 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: [ilugd] .NET CDS INSTALLABLE ON SOLARIS REQ Manav Arora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, I WANT THE .NET CDS WHICH R INSTALLABLE ON SOLARIS AS THE .NET CDS AVAILABLE WITH ME R MENT FOR THE WIN 200 SERVER .IF ANY ONE HAS THEM PLS CONTACT ME AT [EMAIL PROTECTED] BYE MANAV hi, i require latest cds of red hat linux 9 pls contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] bye manav Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more!Click onYahoo! India Promos ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Post your profile. ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
Thanks for the input, Raj. I have added a row-item for AntiVirus I have also added opengroupware.org as the OSS. I am reluctant to add spam software as I consider the technology almost commoditised and all work (or do not work) to the same extent giving user very little option to change OS (or license) for this reason. Tarun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Raj Mathur Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:41 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tarun == Tarun Upadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tarun Okay I will spam you guys one last time. Hopefully, it work Tarun now. Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs. Tarun I created (to the best of my knowledge) how software stack Tarun in enterprise (defined as companies with greater than 200 Tarun employees) space looks like between Microsoft and OSS Tarun products. Tarun http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/esoftstack.html Tarun Just for the fun sake, I also included the leading Tarun commercial UNIX offerings that are comparable. I have made Tarun blue whatever product out of three I think is the leader Tarun (at least in the world of PHB). Tarun I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is Tarun on): A) any services/features/products that I might have Tarun missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of Tarun enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually Tarun incorrect in the sheet. Network management: I'd add Nagios to the list, one of the best network monitoring tools I've seen. Please add anti-virus. It should probably be up there after the Kernel/Base OS :) On Linux you can use ClamAV, presumably Winduhs has anti-virus tools too ;) Spam control: SpamAssassin on Linux Collaboration: opengroupware.org - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F All your domain are belong to us. It is the mind that moves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard http://www.gnupg.org/ iD8DBQE/ekXbyWjQ78xo0X8RAsIHAKCWha9zlfahqzDt+JIN8XdlE75YOACfY2B0 gCZDMdMuPIOsYbQA/PF8cCY= =E5D8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
Ooops. Forgot to attach the list. Here it comes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tarun Dua Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:57 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ? On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote: Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs. I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way. I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on): A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet. The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it. -Tarun Dua http://www.tarundua.net ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems
I fully agree with you Shuvam. Incidently, I call people who still insist on using 10yr old technology when new (and sometimes tools are available as not purists but just old. This phenomenon outside technical realm is typically termed as generation gap ;-) In any case, I have done what I should have done in the first place. The websheet is now currently available from my website at : http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/Enterprise%20Software%20Stack%20acr oss%20operating%20Systems.html (I know somebody is going to balk at the long name - but you are not supposed to type it, dude) I invite people to: A) suggest any services I might have missed (I am sure there are many) which are widely (defined as 25%) used by enterprise organizations (defined as 200 employees) B) I have marked in blue what I think are best product by PHB-definition. Please point out any errors there as well. (hint: don't just scream your dearling product is the best just because you are in love with it or it has X feature that no other product has. Consider what will *your PHB boss buy if he has no technical advise available and infinite money (for software, not hardware) ). In general, the idea is to find out where is OSS behind the other commerical alternatives in providing a complete IT services stack to a medium (or large) sized enterprise. So, once, we got this list to near completion and accuracy - the next step would be to look at what are the essential features missing in today's OSS-stack. Thanks Tarun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shuvam Misra Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:15 PM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems I've I've just witnessed a hot debate in the ILUG Bombay mailing list about whether HTML mail should be banned. I protested, saying that some kinds of formatted text simply cannot be read unless you allow formats other than plain text. Most others didn't agree; they appeared to be purists who wanted only plain text. Your (very useful, incidentally) table is a clear example of something which needs a MIME type other than text/plain. I simply cannot make head or tail of your table, because the lines are wrapping badly. And this list will not allow attachments, and probably will not allow non-text messages too. If you have a copy in HTML or spreadsheet format, can you please send it to me directly by email? rant When the going gets tough, the only way out seems to be to find workarounds around all those well-meaning standards, norms and rules. For instance, I have a Windows partition with MS Office 2000 on my laptop. Can't do without it when it comes to handing over a presentation at a black-suited apex-level corporate conference... OOo simply doesn't generate PPTs compatible enough, and PDF presentations (done using the excellent pdfscreen package in LaTeX) are too plain looking for some audiences. Finally, no one gives you anything because you followed standards, they only appreciate your work if you get the job done. Sigh... /rant :) Shuvam On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Tarun Upadhyay wrote: All right. All right. I figured out the hard way that I cannot send attachments to the list. So here it is as inline text. Microsoft OSS Commercial Unix Kernel / Base OS Windows 2003 Linux, BSD AIX, Solaris Authentication and Authorization,SSO Active Directory OpenLDAP NDS, sunOne File Services -volume management Volume Manager LVM VeritasManager -distributed DFSSamba, NFS (Client mode) NFS, AFS Database SQL Server Postgres, mysql Oracle Network Services -VPN, FirewallingPPTP, ICF, ISA PPP, S/WAN, iptables Checkpoint -Routing, WANRAS, ICS iproute2 cisco routers -DNS Active Directory bind ? -MailExchange Sendmail, Qmail sunOne messaging +HTTP Services -Application Server IIS, MSMQ, COM+Tomcat, Jboss, Apache Weblogic,MQSeries -Proxy Server ISASquid iPlanet ? -Content Management, PortalsCMSWiki? Plum Tree Application Frameworks .NET J2EE J2EE Network Management SMS,MOMOpenNMS Tivoli, OpenView CollaborationExchange + Outlook ? Domino Business Integration BizTalk? WebMethods,Vitria Let me know your opinions please. Thanks Tarun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tarun Upadhyay Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:31 PM To: 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list' Subject: RE: [ilugd
[ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs. I created (to the best of my knowledge) how software stack in enterprise (defined as companies with greater than 200 employees) space looks like between Microsoft and OSS products. Just for the fun sake, I also included the leading commercial UNIX offerings that are comparable. I have made blue whatever product out of three I think is the leader (at least in the world of PHB). I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on): A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet. ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] Looking for engineers : Immediate Hiring
My company INDUSLOGIC is recruiting engineers. If you or your colleagues / friends are interested, please mail CVs to me. Salary and Work Environment better than most companies. All positions are in Delhi (with travel to US) unless otherwise specified. The positions open for immediate hiring are 1. J2EE/JSP/Java/XML/Struts with 2 -6 years of experience 2. VB.net, ASP.net, C# with 2-6 Years of experience 3. Team Leads - 5-8 Years of experience on J2EE or Microsoft Technologies 4. Project Manager - 10+ Years of experience on contemporary technologies for Delhi Mumbai 5. Database Architects - 6+ Years of experience on large databases (Oracle) designing 6. Database Engineers - 3-5 years of experience on SQL, database design With Warm Regards Tarun Upadhyay Induslogic Inc. Industrial Strength Software 4th Floor, Picadilly House 276, Capt Gaur Marg, Srinivaspuri Delhi 110065, India. P: +91.11.5170.9070 x 5353 F: +91.11.5170.9071 C: +91.9811.535353 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.induslogic.com/ www.induslogic.com ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Verisign Plays the M$ way
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] i.org] On Behalf Of Sanjeev Ghane Gupta Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:37 PM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] Verisign Plays the M$ way On Friday, September 19, 2003 3:40 PM [GMT+0800=SGT], Tarun Upadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I know lot of people do the same. This has been a convention in Sendmail world for long. However : A) how does it help prevent spam (I can very well send you mail faking [EMAIL PROTECTED])? In fact, most spammers not just uses a legitimate domain name, they even exploit the open proxies to fake as if the mail is coming from that domain. To me it looks like a needless overhead for your smtp server. I had about 10% fall in total traffic by turning sender-domain verification on. Another 25% falls when I turn on callbacks. YMMV B) why do you check for A records? Why is just checking for MX records not enough? (if we expect that somehow legitimizes the user. Because the RFC allows the absence of MX records for mail servers. For smaller domains, this makes sense. -- Sanjeev Thanks for the info Sanjiv, Varun, Shuvam and Raj. This was educational. I did not know: A) RFC allows A records instead of MX. And, yes, it does make sense. B) about 10% of mail traffic is refused when sender domain verification is on. Thanks again. tarun ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Verisign Plays the M$ way
I don't see what is wrong. They have been running the root servers for too long and they are now trying to make some money out of it. And they only do it for invalid domains. It is much better than pop up ads in flash that cover the screen. I would think this is a legitimate way of making money. The issue of technical problems cropping up due to this also looks exaggerated to me. Clearly, any danger to SMTP servers can not be a concern as they would probably add wildcards for A type record and not MX records. Can somebody more knowledgeable enlighten me on what kind of things I can expect to break because of this from a system administration point of view and how can they be repaired. (just the facts please, not the rhetoric). With Warm Regards Tarun Upadhyay Induslogic Inc. *Industrial Strength Software* 4th Floor, Picadilly House 276, Capt Gaur Marg, Srinivaspuri Delhi 110065, India. P: +91.11.5170.9070 x 5353 F: +91.11.5170.9071 C: +91.9811.535353 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.induslogic.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] i.org] On Behalf Of Raj Mathur Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 8:41 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] Verisign Plays the M$ way SM/PH/PK == penguinhead Spoonman writes: SM/PH/PK Verisign yesterday added wildcard DNS records to all SM/PH/PK .com and .net domains - redirecting surfers who get lost SM/PH/PK on the Net to a search page, called Site Finder, run by SM/PH/PK the company. Those who type in non-existent addresses SM/PH/PK will also be served up Site Finder, instead of an error SM/PH/PK message. SM/PH/PK So, Verisign has turned domain name typos into an SM/PH/PK advertising opportunity. This is an abuse of Verisign's SM/PH/PK role, via acquired company Network Solutions, in running SM/PH/PK the root DNS servers. SM/PH/PK This breaks all sorts of things horribly. It makes it SM/PH/PK very difficult for mail servers to reject mail from SM/PH/PK invalid domains SM/PH/PK Even worse, if an MX record points to an invalid host SM/PH/PK name, that host will now resolve, the SMTP connection SM/PH/PK accepted and the mail then rejected. Because the SM/PH/PK rejection is a 550 error, that mail will not get retried SM/PH/PK *ever* again. If that MX was the highest priority mail SM/PH/PK server than all mail to that domain name will bounce SM/PH/PK Already a backlash is building, with Net admins being SM/PH/PK urged to block Verisign's catch-all domain. this is SM/PH/PK bound to get very very messy. If you feel strongly enough about it you can sign the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/icanndns/petition.html -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Verisign Plays the M$ way
Yes, I know lot of people do the same. This has been a convention in Sendmail world for long. However : A) how does it help prevent spam (I can very well send you mail faking [EMAIL PROTECTED])? In fact, most spammers not just uses a legitimate domain name, they even exploit the open proxies to fake as if the mail is coming from that domain. To me it looks like a needless overhead for your smtp server. B) why do you check for A records? Why is just checking for MX records not enough? (if we expect that somehow legitimizes the user. Does not look like a way to me avoid any significant spam. Just creating more DNS queries. With Warm Regards Tarun Upadhyay Induslogic Inc. *Industrial Strength Software* 4th Floor, Picadilly House 276, Capt Gaur Marg, Srinivaspuri Delhi 110065, India. P: +91.11.5170.9070 x 5353 F: +91.11.5170.9071 C: +91.9811.535353 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.induslogic.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] i.org] On Behalf Of Sanjeev Ghane Gupta Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 12:55 PM To: 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list' Subject: Re: [ilugd] Verisign Plays the M$ way On Friday, September 19, 2003 3:17 PM [GMT+0800=SGT], Tarun Upadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can somebody more knowledgeable enlighten me on what kind of things I can expect to break because of this from a system administration point of view and how can they be repaired. (just the facts please, not the rhetoric). On my servers, I do sender verification. When I see the MAIL FROM, I check if the right-hand-side is deliverable, so it must have either: An MX record An A record As such, I do not accept (spam?) from [EMAIL PROTECTED] With this change, nosuchdoamin.com will seem to exist. The rest is left as an exercise to the reader ;-) -- Sanjeev ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] 21sep linux delhi meet
I propose to hold the meeting at my office. The address is: Induslogic Inc. 4th Floor, Picadilly House 276, Capt Gaur Marg, Srinivaspuri Delhi 110065, India. P: +91.11.5170.9070 F: +91.11.5170.9071 C: +91.9811.535353 If everybody agrees to the venue, I will send directions in a separate mail. As requested by Raj, I can arrange for an OHP (VGA input) and 1 ix86 machine with Linux on it. Internet connection (thru this machine) will be available. The machine would be relatively vanila (for example, no Gnome / KDE or Xlibraries installed). If any software should be pre-installed on the machine (openoffice ?), please let me know and I will try to ensure that it is available before the meeting. I should be probably also able to manage some snacks and soft drinks :-) With Warm Regards Tarun Upadhyay Www.tarunupadhyay.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] i.org] On Behalf Of linuxlingam Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ilugd] 21sep linux delhi meet dear all, just a reminder that 11 days are left to the next linux-delhi meet. k i s h o r e , you have to confirm the venue, please. would the speakers please confirm if they have their talks/presentations/pointless+powerless slideshow ready? personal note: i just discovered i *may* not be able to attend the meet, some other engagements coming up. looking forward to ashwin's minutes of the meet, post-event. this is a good opportunity to request what topics members would like to see covered at the meet. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Re: Office Depot Aids Monopoly{This is not a troll}
Spoon,
ximian is not free software !!
With Warm Regards
Tarun Upadhyay
Induslogic Inc.
4th Floor, Picadilly House
276, Capt Gaur Marg, Srinivaspuri
Delhi 110065, India.
P: +91.11.5170.9070 x 5353
F: +91.11.5170.9071
C: +91.9811.535353
E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.induslogic.com
-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
i.org] On Behalf Of Spoonman
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 5:01 AM
To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Re: Office Depot Aids Monopoly{This is
not a troll}
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 12:29:16AM -0400, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
TarunI will bite (and change my email client) if somebody
can show me
Tarunan email client that can talk to MS-Exchange (and yes,
I do need
Tarunthose shared folders and shared calendars !!) and please do not
Tarunget me started on why I need shared calendars
integrated with my
Tarunemail client. If you have never used, you will never
understand it.
Actully I do. Its the same reason that drives people to buy
Microsoft office. The same reason people send you a MS word
templates when you show intrest in writing in their magazines
and neither your talking about the need to deprecate properietry
file formats nor your telling them that alternative softwares
exist has any effect on them. The editor uses MS word and that
is an answer you cant do anything about.
TarunAlternatively, show me a good open source alternative to
TarunMS-Exchange that does that on server side - reliably. I
know of an
Tarunobscure product from Samsung but other than that in my
ten years
Tarunof managing systems (linux and windows included), I
have not seen
Tarunany. Last year, I got desperate even asked the question on
Tarunslashdot But did not get any good replies, so I have
little hopes from linux-delhi.
look at ximian evolution. it does all the things you are
cribbing about.
TarunHell, I will raise the bar and even offer $69 (my
outlook license
Tarunfee) for anybody who can convince me that there exist an
Tarunalternative (open source) to outlook-exchange that is
at least as
Tarunreliable and allows me to share my calendar and contact
database
Tarunwith my colleagues (with security that I can configure
from my client and not from server).
There is something called ximian connect. take a look.
TarunI do not want to sound as if I like Microsoft or
Outlook a lot. I
Tarunfeel equally sad that there are no good open source
alternatives
Tarunand do hope that one comes up. However, pretending that there
Tarunexist one when there isnt any will not get us anywhere
(nor will
Tarunridiculing people who use Outlook). There might be
people for whom
Tarunopen source is a principle in life and they are willing to live
Tarunwith anything but would use only open source software. For me,
Tarunusing open source tools is preferable and valuable but
not at the cost of quality and productivity.
The point is not about the lack of alternatives. Alternatives
exist. there is always more then one way to do it.
The problem lies with people. people do not want to
change. People want to continue doing things just as they have
been doing. a new however better solution is unacceptable.
if linuxlingam would try making me change form mutt to kmail
he has a might tough job on his hands.
cheers!
- --
all the things we keep inside,
are the things that really matter,
the face puts on its best disguise,
and all is well, until the heart betrays.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux)
iD8DBQE/QJXF7v3NbZTFJeIRAm2pAJ9mW8UfiWnhym1xKnjyQdHa2NM1MACdG9W2
LSTJdQJI5ThnJbpQmZj5HgE=
=VaeO
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
___
ilugd mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
___
ilugd mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Re: Office Depot Aids Monopoly{This is not a troll}
I evaluated Ximian about three months back. I downloaded, installed and even
paid them for it.
The software is not free or open source - not even in parts (the license is
here
http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_refno
=020318-05)
There are two products: Ximian Connect and Ximian Evolution. Neither of
these replaces MS Exchange.
Evolution replaces Outlook for many functions (does not provide shared
folders). Ximian Connect allows Ximian Evolution to talk to MS Exchange (and
supports shared folders thru exchange).
AFAIK, Evolution is free but Connect is not. That costs $69 per copy and you
still need a license to Microsoft Exchange CAL (which btw costs $69 more and
has outlook bundled free).
So, Ximian is neither free as in beer nor as in speech. (and it is something
that you buy over and above Outlook not as a substitute to it !!)
With Warm Regards
Tarun Upadhyay
Induslogic Inc.
4th Floor, Picadilly House
276, Capt Gaur Marg, Srinivaspuri
Delhi 110065, India.
P: +91.11.5170.9070 x 5353
F: +91.11.5170.9071
C: +91.9811.535353
E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.induslogic.com
-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
i.org] On Behalf Of Tarun Dua
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:29 AM
To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list
Subject: RE: [ilugd] Re: Office Depot Aids Monopoly{This is
not a troll}
On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 09:59, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
I will bite (and change my email client) if somebody can show me an
email client that can talk to MS-Exchange (and yes, I do need those
shared folders and shared calendars !!) and please do not get me
started on why I need shared calendars integrated with my email
client. If you have never used, you will never understand it.
Ximian Evolution Suite ( available for Linux ) provides
both server side as well as client side. The whole suite is
not open source, however. This offers complete compatibility
with MS-Exchange both on server side as well as client side.(
Please verify this - thats what I last heard about it ) As
far as shared calendering/shared folders is concerned I know
quite a few Webmail type solutions apart from evolution
(which is quite like
MS-Exchange) on Linux provide that type of groupware.
Have you searched Sourceforge for available solutions on
shared calender/folders/groupware etc.
-Tarun Dua
--
http://www.tarundua.net
Nothing you ever wanted to find about Tarun Dua
___
ilugd mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
___
ilugd mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Re: Office Depot Aids Monopoly{This is not a troll}
I will bite (and change my email client) if somebody can show me an email
client that can talk to MS-Exchange (and yes, I do need those shared folders
and shared calendars !!) and please do not get me started on why I need
shared calendars integrated with my email client. If you have never used,
you will never understand it.
Alternatively, show me a good open source alternative to MS-Exchange that
does that on server side - reliably. I know of an obscure product from
Samsung but other than that in my ten years of managing systems (linux and
windows included), I have not seen any. Last year, I got desperate even
asked the question on slashdot But did not get any good replies, so I have
little hopes from linux-delhi.
Spoonman, I agree there are pleny of good open source email clients around
(and no, mozilla is not what I would recommend) however, if you want to have
a real productivity application (which at the minimum allows you to share
your calendar and contacts in a user-friendly manner) there is absolutely
nothing around.
Hell, I will raise the bar and even offer $69 (my outlook license fee) for
anybody who can convince me that there exist an alternative (open source) to
outlook-exchange that is at least as reliable and allows me to share my
calendar and contact database with my colleagues (with security that I can
configure from my client and not from server).
and I am not even asking for customizable database that outlook has any in
the backend and its programmability. Spoonman, this is a linux list so I
wont talk about all kind of customizability and extensibility that outlook
offers but if you are interested I can show it to you sometime. (believe me,
mutt-boy, you will be surprised. There is a reason why it is so easy to
write viruses for outlook. And the reason is because, it is easy to write
*anything* for outlook and that is not always a bad thing).
I do not want to sound as if I like Microsoft or Outlook a lot. I feel
equally sad that there are no good open source alternatives and do hope that
one comes up. However, pretending that there exist one when there isnt any
will not get us anywhere (nor will ridiculing people who use Outlook). There
might be people for whom open source is a principle in life and they are
willing to live with anything but would use only open source software. For
me, using open source tools is preferable and valuable but not at the cost
of quality and productivity.
With Warm Regards
Tarun Upadhyay
Induslogic Inc.
4th Floor, Picadilly House
276, Capt Gaur Marg, Srinivaspuri
Delhi 110065, India.
P: +91.11.5170.9070 x 5353
F: +91.11.5170.9071
C: +91.9811.535353
E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.induslogic.com
-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
i.org] On Behalf Of Spoonman
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:15 PM
To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Re: Office Depot Aids Monopoly{This is
not a troll}
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 04:29:00AM +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
Sandip:) and also about sometimes not having choice. I know
(and I am
Sandipoccasionally one of these) many people who have to use Windoze
Sandipbozes because of requirements at job. If that is the time that
Sandipthey have to keep up with the list, they will use what
they have
Sandipto communicate. As long as the community benefits from the
Sandipparticipation of that individual, I dont think it
should make a huge difference what software the person is using...
Sandip
SandipYes, using OSS software is a good demonstration of what we are
Sandippreaching, but when we can't use it, we respect the
Sandipcompulsions(if any) of the person to not use it at
that point of time ...
A lot of GNU alternatives are available on the windows platform too.
if only someone would try to make an effort. I think mozilla
plus its mail client runs just as well on windows. there is sylpheed.
http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/hi/index.html GNuwin2 is there.
But, I am not judging anyone here. And my original reply was
not intended to make Tarun look bad, guilty or anything it
was to Shuvam but it invariably did that.
Rajuoh, I don't know. You could be a lawyer who fights
cases for the
Rajufree software community pro bono, but still not use,
want to use or
Rajuknow how to use Linux or *BSD. Does that make you less of a
Rajucontributor to the free software community? IMO it's not a good
Rajuidea to judge people's ideals by what technology they
use, in general.
No, no one should be judged and no one should explain why he
uses windows. but, is it really so hard to shift to an open
source email client that debating about it on the mailing
list seems like an easier option?
I volunteer to download, install and personaly train Tarun if
he can/ he wishes to shift to mozilla. and if mozilla dsnt
comes up to his expectations as an email client he
RE: [ilugd] Office Depot Aids Monopoly{This is not a troll}
Spoonman,
I admire your passion and spirit for linux. however, nothing will be
achieved by trolling the list and ridiculing me (and others) publicly . Let
us end it here and talk sometime offline (say in the next ILUGD meeting).
That might be more educational for both of us.
With Warm Regards
Tarun Upadhyay
P.S. meanwhile you keep using mutt and I will keep using outlook. What is
open source movement if not about choice?
-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
i.org] On Behalf Of Spoonman
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:54 AM
To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Office Depot Aids Monopoly{This is not a troll}
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 03:19:56PM +0800, Sanjeev Ghane Gupta wrote:
SanjeevWhy shouldn't he? The Indian National Congress made the case
Sanjeevfor Independence in English.
Because to talk about a vegetarian lifestyle while eating
butter chicken suits only supreet. :) /grinning-ducking-running/
Because to talk about freedom, opensource and copyleft and
showing up in the meet with a powerpoint presentation is the
most hollow thing. If you dont trust these tools to do your
job. if you dont know how to use these tools. if these tools
are not good enough for you how can you convince other people
to use them.
So, I belive if you really have to say I belive in free
software. at least start using free software.
PS: I am too young to read into the national congress
riddle please explain.
- --
all the things we keep inside,
are the things that really matter,
the face puts on its best disguise,
and all is well, until the heart betrays.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux)
iD8DBQE/Pjdx7v3NbZTFJeIRAnxjAJ42hd/KJ+ndH86NlZ1HEDJsAlqyOQCeLYxK
J6WwzA6wjg0qRU2HR0FQG+U=
=NITf
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
___
ilugd mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
___
ilugd mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] [OT] 30 billion Winduhs crashes each year
And just what this has to do with a list on linux? Serioulsy, when will we all stop crticizing windows and go back to putting our own house in order. There are plenty of things that are wrong with linux. Why don't we for a change talk about those? (say something like this: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/08/137239 ) Seriously, when was the last time somebody saw a post on what is wrong with linux? on a linux list? Instead of the regular what is wrong with windows? on linux list. With Warm Regards Tarun Upadhyay Full article at: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1210067,00.asp Which comes to just under a 1000 crashes a second! disappointingly, the number of babies born in india per second is a dismal fraction of this figure. would be dramatic to compute how much money m$ makes per second, then equate the two figures, and get the math on windoze crashes versus dollars earned per second. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Linux vs microsoft (on the database support)
My company is currently porting software for a customer. The current software is highly oracle-intensive with lots of business-logic in the database coded as stored procedures and triggers etc in rather oracle-specific way (that is, not ANSI SQL). The current software is intended for high-end banks etc with high transaction volume. They now want to extend the software to both high-end and low-end customers. And, hence, they want us to port the system to .net and ms-sql server from the current oracle / solaris platform. I am currently proposing the software to be ported to linux instead with oracle staying so that the porting cost is decreased. The customer is ready to listen as long as we provide him convincing economical and technological arguments. His current arguments are: a) oracle is only supported on red hat advanced server (or similar advanced servers from other vendors like Suse) which costs $1400 which is no cheaper than windows. b) anything but oracle or ms sql server (specially postgres / mysql etc) can not handle the load he is looking at. c) how do i support low-end customers as oracle is so expensive (about 18 lakhs per CPU + more licensing for extra options like RAC which we need for clustering). d) linux is not good enough in terms of scalablity and high-availability for high-end customers my current arguments are: a) red hat advanced server is not need and if we buy it its only one time cost and not recurring like windows. (Question for the list: am I on the shaky ground here. does anybody provide some data on red hat clusters vs. windows clusters specially from load balancing point of view) b) for very low-end customers, we can evaluate and use Postgres (porting to postgres should be cheaper and faster than porting to ms-sql server) (question for the list: is that really true? what kind of worms I could run into?) d) linux is as good as solaris etc on HA and scalability (Question for the list: is that really true? what could be potential bottlenecks I could run into, say, compared to Solaris) More arguments and options are requested. With Warm Regards Tarun Upadhyay Induslogic Inc. 4th Floor, Picadilly House 276, Capt Gaur Marg, Srinivaspuri Delhi 110065, India. P: +91.11.5170.9070 x 5353 F: +91.11.5170.9071 C: +91.9811.535353 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.induslogic.com/ www.induslogic.com ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] 17th aug? har! har!
Alas, I am leaving for US on a hastily arranged trip the next weekend !! This is too ill-planned but such is the life in software services company for customer asks you to be on-site at a week's notice. But a commitment is a commitment. Even if I will not be there, the offer stand. I can ask the place to be available to you guys and snacks and coffee / tea are still on the house. I will have somebody from my office to be there to take care of things. Of course, now that I will not be physically there and am not so enthusiastic and other venue suggestions are welcome. With Warm Regards Tarun Upadhyay Induslogic Inc. 4th Floor, Picadilly House 276, Capt Gaur Marg, Srinivaspuri Delhi 110065, India. P: +91.11.5170.9070 x 5353 F: +91.11.5170.9071 C: +91.9811.535353 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.induslogic.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] i.org] On Behalf Of LinuxLingam Sent: 08 August 2003 13:37 To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] 17th aug? har! har! On Thursday 07 August 2003 11:05 pm, you wrote: I volunteer to have the meeting at my office. I obviously have no clue of how many people normally attend (being a newbie here) I can manage upto 35 people in our conference room (which has projector etc). hey! thanks a bunch for this. is the venue okay with others? let's see a show of hands. If it gets larger, we can just pull chairs and sit in the main development area (we have accommodated more than 100 that way) but that may be slightly inconvenient. Snacks and dinner are on the house. dinner!!! yeouch! are you new to linux-delhi? do you know the appetites of kishorebhargav, raj, and LL combined?? :-) anyway, more seriously, our meetings usually last till 5 to 6 pm, and then everyone pushes off for snakes and tees at the nearest cafe or something. but thanks for the offer. ps: could we come back for breakfast the next morning?! :-) I have the selfish interest of making it easier for myself for inviting some people from my company for introduction to Linux. With Warm Regards Tarun Upadhyay Induslogic Inc. 4th Floor, Picadilly House 276, Capt Gaur Marg, Srinivaspuri Delhi 110065, India. P: +91.11.5170.9070 x 5353 F: +91.11.5170.9071 C: +91.9811.535353 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.induslogic.com ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Problem in loading linux 6.2 in 40 GB Hard disk
To be precise, there is nothing called Linux 6.2. You probably are trying to install Redhat 6.2. With that aside, let us come to your real question - for which my counter-question is why do you want to install such an old version of Redhat. Older version would have more security issues and compatibility problems with newer hardware (including with your hard disk). I would suggest that you go with a newer version of Redhat (if you chose that to be your poison) - say 9.0 or 8.x. Of course, I am assuming that you are a newbie here - since you asked a newbie question. If you understand what you are doing, by all means install and run redhat 6.2. With Warm Regards Tarun Upadhyay http://www.tarunupadhyay.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] i.org] On Behalf Of Kedar Dash Sent: 04 August 2003 14:48 To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: [ilugd] Problem in loading linux 6.2 in 40 GB Hard disk I am trying to load linux 6.2 in my machine which has 40 GB of hard disk. After creating the partion when i am clicking on next the machine is hanging. I saw one mail in linux group and tried to create a 40 mb of partion and try to put the lilo there instead of MBR, Still it is not working. i seek some help. thanks Kedar ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] accessing NTFS
As far as I understand, NTFS 5.0 (which windows XP runs) is not supported under linux. You might be lucky to be able to mount and able to read (unless you have something complicated like filestreams or encrypted (or otherwise redirected) volumes) NTFS but it would be *extermely dangerous* to write to NTFS 5.0 from linux. NTFS 4.0 (windows NT) should work okay (though even that is not recommended to mount rw) With Warm Regards Tarun Upadhyay Induslogic Inc. 4th Floor, Picadilly House 276, Capt Gaur Marg, Srinivaspuri Delhi 110065, India. P: +91.11.5170.9070 x 5353 F: +91.11.5170.9071 C: +91.9811.535353 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.induslogic.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] i.org] On Behalf Of Narsingh Sahu Sent: 04 August 2003 10:16 To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] accessing NTFS Hi Subodh, 1. You can mount ntfs partition - mount -t ntfs /dev/hd? /mnt/winxp(give the values according to your system, check the man pages in case of doubt.)You can put this command in your /etc/fstab file so that the partition is mounted at boot time. 2. Your Linux box may not be optimally configured which may be the reason for it running slow. Check the Linux configuration Howto document at tldp.org. Also check man hdparm and optimize your harddisk access. -- narsingh --- # Subodh # [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi ! I have a PCQLinux8.0. Can i access NTFS partions in Linux n How ? n Can anyone tell me why Linux is so dead slow on my pcas compared to windows 2k pro or xp pro. I have a celeron at 667MHz and 64 MB RAM. __ __ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
