Re: [ilugd] dimdim anyone?

[linuxlingam]

Thanks Dhiraj, on sharing your experiences with dimdim. The tip on
managing better with around six people is good. I think will try it
soon for outstation foss-conferences and events to which i can't
travel. The ability to share my desktop and to whiteboard, makes
software hands-on seminars and demoes feasible.

regards
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Re: [ilugd] Open Source MIDI Editor/ Sequencer

[linuxlingam]

How to start with foss video editing:

your first steps should be with kino. About 90% of personal
video-edits can be done with this.

grow your skills and start using the video-edit features of blender3d.

hth

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n

On 9/18/08, Swapnil Bhartiya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:24 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You ask: "which software is best for video-editing" under foss and
>> gnu/linux?
>>
>> answer: video-edit software like kino, cinerella etc are not as
>> robust,mature,and friendly or professional like fcp, avids, etc.
>> Hence, a few people use the video-edit features of blender3d.but the
>> software looks intimidating.
>> Gaping-hole of pandav-foss: video-compositing, video-edit, non-linear
>> edit, and even dvd-authoring software, that are at par with their
>> proprietary kaurava-siblings.
>>
>> regards
>> niyam
>>
>
> Thanks for the kaurava vs pandav thing Niyam. But as long as we have
> *Saarathi* like RMS, we shouldn't care.
>
> But I am still awaiting the name of the software. I had been a professional
> editor/director for documentary films before joining print. FCP was like
> walk in park. Now, having migrated to FOSS, I am looking for something
> stable enough to allow me make a 5 minute short film. Please tell which tool
> to use with confidence. As you must have used it in your short film project
> as you mentioned earleir.
>
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Re: [ilugd] Open Source MIDI Editor/ Sequencer

[linuxlingam]

You ask: "which software is best for video-editing" under foss and gnu/linux?

answer: video-edit software like kino, cinerella etc are not as
robust,mature,and friendly or professional like fcp, avids, etc.
Hence, a few people use the video-edit features of blender3d.but the
software looks intimidating.
Gaping-hole of pandav-foss: video-compositing, video-edit, non-linear
edit, and even dvd-authoring software, that are at par with their
proprietary kaurava-siblings.

regards
niyam

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Re: [ilugd] The Hindu: Techies protest proprietary standards; seek policy

[linuxlingam]

[snip]

just read this news in delhi's edition of the hindu as well. Page 8 of
today's newspaper.
Next steps:
1. Those interested may clip and post the newspaper cutting on their
office and college noticeboards.
2. Ditto for the open letter to TCS, Wipro, Infosys.
3. Publish photos of these on your blogs and on the wikia site of fci.
4. Consider holding a similar candle vigil in delhi, and invite the press.
5. Spread the word around.
6. Windows users: now's a good time to install openoffice export
plugins into msoffice. Even better, install and use openoffice.org
under windows, and much better: use openoffice.org under gnu/linux.
7. Email the openletter to the 3 companies and anybody else in the odf
format. Obviously.
add your own recommendations.

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Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma

[linuxlingam]

A windows refund is possible, and your full legal right. Microsoft
knows this and honours it.
Just that so far in india no one has bothered to exercise it.
Also you must ensure you do not install it, or in presence of
witnesses click on 'do not accept' or similar, for the end user
license agreement.
Google to find out more.
Regards
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Re: [ilugd] teeshirts: freed.in, and ilug-d

[linuxlingam]

There are only 10 left. And that's not a 50% drop.
Btw, the tees are buried somewhere here, so ask at the registration
desk, or dinesh shah
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Re: [ilugd] computer teaching compulsory in haryana

[linuxlingam]

Dear kenneth,

no = not using
or
no = don't know?

regards
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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty roll-forward till oct 2007

[linuxlingam]

Dear jasbir,

thanks for your respone and taking your cue promptly subscribed to the
ubuntu-in mailing list.

i have not opted for dist-upgrade in feisty, just regular maintenance
updates. The ones post oct2007 demand more ram, so until then the
system is doing a swap dance.
I therefore dont want updates beyond oct2007.
How do i do that?
Niyam

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[linuxlingam]

Hi sandip,
i thought you wanted to meet me at foss.in? Have been looking for you,
and now within another 4 hours the event is over.
There were some interesting talks here on foss audio, and quite a few
people from ilug-d (except msn, who's gone missing)
niyam

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Re: [ilugd] ILUG-Delhi meeting on Tue., Dec., 11th, at 5.30 pm.

[linuxlingam]

Yeah! An ilug-d meet on 11dec with danese cooper, post-event sharing
of doss.in, look ahead at freed.iN, and more sounds fun.
+1 from me.
See you guys there. I suppose shirish from pune lug will also be there.
Niyam bhushan

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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

[linuxlingam]

On 11/25/07, Anand Shankar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Try various binaries OR the LiveCD at http://www.kmobiletools.org/

Downloaded and booted with the live cd of kmobiletools.
version 0.5 beta 3.
this is buggy and crashes.
could not detect my mobile phone.
in fact, no bluetooth device found.

a) clicking on the grey Kbluetooth icon leads to the error "the
process for the bluetooth protocol died unexpectedly."

b) launching the kmobiletools shortcut leads to a wizard that first
wants the bluetooth mobilephone connected.

so looks like this won't really work.
what next?

niyam bhushan

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[ilugd] Linux PDA mailing list

[linuxlingam]

yabadaba doo! thank god someone woke up to the *sense* of having a
dedicated mailing list for handheld devices, including cellphones.

i raised this topic about two weeks ago, only to have a ballistic tarun
dua pooh!pooh! the idea.

drat! it has taken more than 25 years for india to have a modest 10
million pcs in india. don't even do the math on how many have gnulinux
installed on desktop pcs. [my wild wild exaggerated guess: 200,000 to
500,000]

but less than 10 years, india has 30 million cellphones alone, not
counting pda and handhelds. the two growing operating systems on these:
symbian, and gnulinux. overt time, gnulinux is supposed to take over the
market, according to most industry experts.

but, even on symbian, you can get gnu software, as in, muft and mukt
software. the number of software apps available on these platforms is
growing.

all these devices have to talk with desktops. we use gnulinux desktops.
issues of connectivity, kernel support, stacks, protocols, client-end
software, remote logins... heck! loads of things can be discussed and
shared.

yes, we need a dedicated mailing list. i can forsee resources shared too,
such as free *.sis files (for symbian) and themes, ringing tones, etc. and
of course, growing list of software.

also, stuff like gprs, infrared, 802.11 support, and other stuff, is
beginning to matter. why? because suddenly enterprise has discovered in
the world of long-commute times and distances, the handheld cellphone is
the best bet for keep the mobile workforce connected to the enterprise.
google on this amazing new phenomenon.

other handhelds, such as psion, palm, even iPaq, blueberry, etc., may be
discussed, if these are relevant to gnulinux.

the industry also estimates that over time a new slew of handheld devices
(which are not cellphones) and which may use gnulinux and/or gnu software
could debut. these devices could be home sterero devices, home
entertainment devices, and other types...

so, let's start!

:-)
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[ilugd] (no subject)

[linuxlingam]

dear mail-posters of ilugd
[and helpless victims of top-posters and other mail-abusers of the mailing
list]

please check out
http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/1235
and discover the joys of t-prot

:-)
LL

ps: tarunDua, does this prove i'm alive? or is it possible i am a bot
masquerading signs of life?


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[ilugd] black tongue blue tooth

[linuxlingam]

dear all,

bhaskie's call on bluetooth for nokia 6600 is meaningful.
i just bought the same toy about 10 days ago. still haven't bought an
blutooth device, since i wanted to hear from you guys on what works under
gnuLinux. and how.

also, would be happy if the cognescenti among you could provide tips on
the following:

1) i have an airtel pre-paid and am considering my options. is gprs worth
it? what speeds do you get? should i move from airtel to another provider,
or to a post-paid connection? what is the QoS? what are the new, existing
costs? what do you typically use gprs for, on your handheld?

2) have you discovered any gpl (muft and mukt) software for symbian 60? do
you use any of these?

3) any hacks so far, for runnnig gnulinux on the nokia 6600. [i know this
is a dream-question. but nokia does not seem to understand the value of
gnulinux on a mobile instrument for the moment, and its OS approach on its
hardware, is like Apple's approach to its own OS on its own hardware two
decades ago...]

4) any interesting freeware, shareware, for the symbian 60?

5) anybody used that new gizmo, the digital pen, with the nokia 6600.

6) how is the printer support, over blutooth, over cups or whatever, over
gnulinux, to print from the cellphone to the printer, or directly to the
printer? which printer do you use?

7) given the questions, and the ongoing saga of search and deploy for gpl
that i see happening, do you think a blog or a wiki, started by bhaskie or
others, is a good idea, for symbian 60 and 90 users in delhi/india who
wish to use gnulinux and muft and mukt software on their new toys?

looking forward to your responses.


:-)
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[ilugd] spectranet dsl users on list?

[linuxlingam]

are there any spectranet dsl users on this list?
?
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[ilugd] A new file uploaded at ILUG-D site

[linuxlingam]

There is a new file uploaded at ILUG-D site and here are the details: 

Uploaded filename: ScribusScreenshotz.tar.gz 
Size: 1516069 bytes 
Comments: Get Started With Scribus. This tar.gz contains all the screenshots (*.gif 
and *.jpg) used to create the actual tutorial that was written in OpenOffice. Use if 
you wish to re-purpose this for a website or other media or any other use. Published 
under FDL. 

And, the link is 

[ http://www.linux-delhi.org/ilugd/../cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=downloads ] 

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[ilugd] A new file uploaded at ILUG-D site

[linuxlingam]

There is a new file uploaded at ILUG-D site and here are the details: 

Uploaded filename: FYugFnl.tar.gz 
Size: 918088 bytes 
Comments: Get Started With Scribus. FYug: Sample magazine designed in opensource 
desktop publishing software. Contains native scribus file and pdf version. Use with 
'ScribusTutorial.tar.gz' also available here. Text, images, design, published under 
FDL. 

And, the link is 

[ http://www.linux-delhi.org/ilugd/../cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=downloads ] 

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[ilugd] A new file uploaded at ILUG-D site

[linuxlingam]

There is a new file uploaded at ILUG-D site and here are the details: 

Uploaded filename: scribusTutorial.tar.gz 
Size: 2967987 bytes 
Comments: Get Started With Scribus: Opensource Desktop Publishing. For the newbie to 
both graphic design, and gnuLinux. This *.tar.gz contains the pdf and the openoffice 
file of the actual tutorial. Please also download the sample magazine design created 
in scribus: "FYug", also from downloads. Optional: A separate tar of all screenshots 
also available here. Everything Published under FDL. 

And, the link is 

[ http://www.linux-delhi.org/ilugd/../cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=downloads ] 

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Re: [ilugd] PlayFair: what's happening

[linuxlingam]

hey! the playfair controversy refuses to blow away. a heck lot is
happening even as you read this email.

there's something called the FSF-WG (the free software foundation:
working group) this discussion is most active there, with responses from
richard stallman (founder, fsf), eben moglen (professor of law, columbia
university), george kurien (indian law expert) and lots more. also heard
that deeproot linux has decided to host it on their site. yesterday the
author of DeDRM that 'opens' playfair published the code freely on the
net, and meanwhile, a lot of international press has been fed regular
updates on this.

what is mentioned here is the tip of the iceberg. lots more happeing.

:-)
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[ilugd] islamabad to train 4000 govt officials in FLOSS

[linuxlingam]

IT ministry to train 4000 Govt. servants, others in Open Source software
http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/04/25/1414247

ISLAMABAD: Federal Ministry for Information Technology has launched
a
pilot project at a cost of Rs. 37 million for the training of
government servants and private individuals on Open Source software.

***
yup!

:-)
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[ilugd] playfair like in teeshirts?

[linuxlingam]

this at slashdot

"Jon Lech Johansen, who [0]reverse
engineered FairPlay back in January, and wrote the decryption code
that
was later used by an anonymous developer to create the [1]playfair
utility, has released a similar utility: [2]DeDRMS. It's only 230
lines. T-shirts anyone?" 
Links
0.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01/05/itunes_drm_cracked_wide_open/
1. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/16/1358215&tid=107
2. http://nanocrew.net/software/DeDRMS/DeDRMS-0.1/DeDRMS.cs


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Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: Looking for Linux training institute

[linuxlingam]

On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 16:50, Sudeep Sharma wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Note: i dont want to be a** getting fire in the institute so plz try not to mention 
> my namethanks

you just sent your name and details on a public mailing list with
perhaps thousands of subscribers, in delhi. did i mention the list *may*
have several lurkers from the instt you mention?

best of luck, and kishore would like to take closeup shots of the fire
for posterity's sake...

:-)
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[ilugd] 20,000 users in kerala schools

[linuxlingam]

from fred's email:


THREE CHEERS TO KERALA: This input is from linux_schools at yahoo.com
(Herald), who writes: Kerala is leading in Free/Libre and Open Source
Software front. 200 schools multiplied by 100 students on an average
gives
20 thousand GNU/Linux users. Children are very curious and fast in
experimenting and learning new things. When they go home and talk about
it,
the elders also will be automatically interested in checking what this
software is. Similarly the Engineering students will start getting
interest
in Free Softwares In Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh there are only the
private schools to harvest as the government ones have been captured by
Microsoft. Check  http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/linux_schools/

MAHESH T PAI added earlier: About  200  schools in  Malappuram  district
installed GNU/Linux. The driving force behind this initiative, AFAIK, is
one
Mr. Sujeevan P, of an organisation called IIRC, S2S2.

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[ilugd] flashmob meet actionplan

[linuxlingam]

heard there was supposed to be a meeting this sunday to discuss next
steps...?
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Re: [ilugd] Minutes of ILUD April 18,2004 meeting

[linuxlingam]

an interruption is the first sign to me that my audience is awake. :-),
therefore it is always welcome.

a speaker in command of the audience can choose to answer a query
through interruption immediately, or politely explain he/she would like
to take it up at the end of the session, and make a mental note of it,
or put it on the whiteboard.

it's that simple.

interrupt more and let the speaker know you are awake.

interrupt and let them know you are being bored on your precious
weekend.

the final response rests with the speaker and deft tacking and handling
improves presentations.

:-)
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Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: ILUG-D: Contact Us]

[linuxlingam]

On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 02:46, Shashank Sharma wrote:

> 
> I feel that a wiki or a sourceforge requires too much of planning. So, even though I 
> agree that it is a great idea, I think you(komal) should get your thoughts together 
> and work things out acoordingly.
> 
> I think that you should just do a live cd for now and think about the sourceforge 
> thing, which would include music, video, 3d etc. It would really need a community 
> effort to get this going.
> 
> -LinuxLala


so, lallaji, even butter idea (!)

why don't you request our friends at LFY to create a live graphicDesign
cd with LFY. this way, it reaches more people, does more, and will be a
great value-add for them.

reaching news-stands and streets across india is butter than a lot of
effort at linux delhi for just our mailing list guys who can download
specific source or binaries anyways?

also, pcqlinux2k4 ships with scribus, (though an old version) and with
vlc, cinerella, gimp, and i think even sodipodi else sodipodi is just a
1mb or so download. i assume fedora does too.

so exactly what would be the benefit of this cd?

i know knoppix ships with the graphics apps, too.

:-)
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[ilugd] stream-rip to mp3

[linuxlingam]

http://www.ratajik.com/stationripper/

slashdot says this is 100% legal too.
you get about 300 songs per day.

ymmv ianal

just thinking: if someone wishes to record the local radio station
broadcasts in delhi for personal use, that's allowed? or local tv shows
and videos?

should it be illegal or declared henceforth illegal, would be
interesting to see cops in everyone's bedrooms (40 crore+ homes) in
india alone, even if the cops are electronic, whatever.

imho: the past ten years can be viewed as a battle of wits between
lawyers and geeks. who's smarter? 

so far, at each round, the geeks seem to outwit lawyers. in the eyes of
many, ironically, the geeks are defending freedom and fair use; the
lawyers big ruthless companies with greed and your control written all
over them. meanwhile, whoever wins, the artists lose anyways. which is
why it seems important for the geeks to win, so artists can eventually
break out to new emerging opportunities and flexibility.

interesting.

LL

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Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: ILUG-D: Contact Us]

[linuxlingam]

On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 10:16, komal wrote:

> >
> > Corel draw is itself available under linux. I don't know where and how you
> can get it, but it is available for linux.
> >
> > -LinuxLala
> >
> 
> 
> Care to provide at least one link? Even search on Corel website didn't show
> single match. In fact I am thinking to develop Live CD based on Knoppix with
> ALL freely available graphic( a.k.a DTP)
> software,multi-lingual fonts,clipart,document,short tutorials.Any
> suggestions ?
> 
> Komal
> 


coreldraw *was* available circa 2000. then corel had financial and
business problems, M$ invested in them, circa 2001, then a few
weeks/months ago m$ disinvested. meanwhile coreldraw for linux just
disappeared, just like wordperfect for linux.

summary: no coreldraw for linux. no need either. try sodipodi, sketch,
inkscape.

komal, live cd great idea. i created one such thingie about 1 year ago,
called it "gnu grafix" but it wasn't live at that time. all the software
are outdated today, and some new ones have come around. this can be a
great cd. i have done enough research past 2 to 3 years on this to
provide you with a few tips and suggestions. but, why do this over this
mailng list? can you start a wiki, or even better, a sourceforge
project, where people can contribute and suggest, just like the other
cds? that's the best way of doing this, because exactly 7 weeks after
you do the cd, it will be outdated. i've been noting the rapid
development phase of these projects too.

you are also forgetting stuff like music, video, 3d and more, that
people require on this cd.

over to you, before i keep blabbering.

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] The EFF Patent Busting Project

[linuxlingam]

On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 04:44, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
> [ When is EFF opening up an India branch so that we can help support 
> them on these initiatives? - Sandip ]
> 
> http://www.eff.org/Patent/
> 
if you go thru the mail archives, you will see i posted a request to
start ef in india or something similar, about a few months ago. i also
wrote to eff directly.

so the answer to your question:

"as soon as YOU open it."

:-)
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[ilugd] what does fairplay do, btw

[linuxlingam]

from a reader's post at slashdot


"DO you even know what PlayFair does? It does not "crack" Apple's DRM.
It still requires you to purchase the song and then it will strip the
DRM using valid keys. This is no different then what is allowed by
Apple's DRM now. You can purchase a song and burn a music CD and then
rip the CD to a non-DRMed format. Why should an end-user who paid for a
song have to go through the process of burning and ripping to get thier
non-DRMed song when they can use this program? I know, because Apple
doesn't what any end user to shift the format from AAC to say MP3. That
would allow an end-user to actually exercise choice and purchase a
portable music player other then Apple's iPOD."

LL


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Re: [ilugd] flash mob computing !

[linuxlingam]

On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 09:28, vivek khurana wrote:
> --- linuxlingam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  grrr someone else pick it up. [snip]

anyone else could volunteer on this please? am busy with the apple
sarovar thingie, and with a few other projects, like tutorials for free
graphic design software, etc

:-)
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Re: [ilugd] flash mob computing !

[linuxlingam]

On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 09:23, vivek khurana wrote:
> --- linuxlingam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > who said flash mob computing is fizzling itself out?
[snip]

>  Thank god you guyz disscussed it after i left. BTW
> what was stopping you from discussing it while me and
> shejar were around??
> 
>  Well here is the outcome of our sunday morning
> adventure.
[snip]

great. so this weekend more stuff is to happen on R&D of this stuff. you
guys can read vivek's summary, and volunteer how to help thru the week,
too guys. so when we meet this weekend, we have something in our hands.

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: ILUG-D: Contact Us]

[linuxlingam]

On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 02:05, komal wrote:

> >  Original Message 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Message from Sunil Kumar:
> >
> > Sir,
> > I want to know about the substitutes of Coral Draw ,Adobe Photoshop,
> > Adobe Pagemaker for LINUX platform And where are they available in
> > delhi. Please reply soon as i had to install the tommorow.
> >I am really in need.
> > --
> 
> GIMP,Scribus but no substitute of COREL Draw as far as know available in
> Linux.
> 
> Komal

sodipodi for vector illustration. a tutorial on it in linux-delhi.org in
downloads area available. usually, install a bunch of vector software,
like sketch, inkscape, as well.

hope this helps

LL

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Re: [ilugd] flash mob computing !

[linuxlingam]

On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 02:27, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:

> 
> I have a suggestion. Why dont you folks go to 
> http://lap.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/WebHome and start off a 
> page on the flahmob supercomputing status,]
> 
> LL, why dont you start out the top level page for the project, 

er.. you mean vivek. he coordinates this.
:-)
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[ilugd] slashdot sarovar

[linuxlingam]

dear raj,

i assume you made good friends with slashdot's editor, roblimo. could
you send him an email on the sarovar controversy?

?
LL

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Re: [ilugd] KDE+GNOME+Enlightenment+TWM

[linuxlingam]

On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 06:09, Raj Mathur wrote:

> You need to enable GDM (or whatever Display Manager you're using) on
> multiple X sessions.  Then you can start one X session with KDE,
> another with Gnome, etc.
> 
> For gdm, edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and uncomment the line near the
> bottom that reads:
> 
>   #1=Standard

done. works. thanks.

> 
> service gdm restart and you're done -- you have GDM logins on
> ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f8.  I presume that I don't have to detail
> how to start a KDE login session or a Gnome login session by clicking
> on the Session button and selecting the appropriate session type :)

thanks for this tip. us mac users are born morons. am a bit confused
here. the logitech mouse on my amd here has two buttons, one on the
left, and one on the right. it also has an awkward button that rotates
on its axes like a wheel, entrenched between these two buttons. i
gingerly hold the mouse with my thumb and my little finger, using the
palm to move it around.

when i come to the sessions icon, am confused.
which button should i press? left, right, wheel? two fo them, three of
them?

isn't linux intuitive? if i hover over the icon, won't it understand and
press it for me?


> 
> BTW, this is generally replicable, so if you want more sessions add
> more lines of the form 2=Standard, 3=Standard, etc.

notice it shows some speed drag. but this has sufficient ram. unless
swap space is being used heavily.
hmmm

:-)
LL

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[ilugd] flash mob computing !

[linuxlingam]

who said flash mob computing is fizzling itself out?

here's the latest status:

1) kishore makes a pragmatic suggestion:
choose a location where we have existing dozens of pc with
infrastructure like power, backup, ac, network, etc.
we had volunteers here devoting their sites.

kishore recommends use one of these sites to showcase a flash mob
supercomputer. even if it is of 50 nodes, or 100 nodes, it is a
proof-of-concept. perhaps in the second or third attempt we could break
a national or other record. perhaps in the hundredth.

kishore knows. once upon a time, he was a car rally freak.
participating and finishing is important.


2) raj stumps everyone with his 21 unanswerable questions. solution:
ignore his questions and get on with the flashmob computing, as per
kishore's suggestion. a scaled-down, initial flash-mob recce is better
than no flashmob computer. simple.

some tests done by flashmobbers showed problems in the nodes actually
'subtracting' rather than 'adding' computing power. unfortunately, vivek
khurana, on whose shoulders the history of this moment is to rest, was
missing during this discussion. so we could have discussed alternatives.
i believe we could attempt this with another live distro, or contact the
flashmob supercomputing list to find out what is happening.

please, let's have a list of volunteered sites for the flashmob event.
let's do a sample test of this using bootable cds on-location. even a
two-node cluster would do.
vivek, you can best coordinate this, as you are completely clued in to
the intiative, and tell us how do we proceed.

:-)
LL
(flasher in the mob)

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Re: [ilugd] Re: [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple

[linuxlingam]

On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 00:39, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote:
> At 2004-04-20 00:33:56 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > i thought we'd do something meaningful, doable, about this.
> 
> And, er, what exactly is stopping you from doing something meaningful?
> 
> -- ams


good question. am already doing what i can do: sounding out the press.
trying to work the international press on this as well. tv, newspapers,
and specialist magazines.

would be nice if each one of us asked ourselves, the question i asked
myself: what can i do in in my level of incompetency.

:-)

for various other similar reasons, since the past six years, have not
made any purchase on any apple or apple-related product.

meanwhile, great to know raj has committed rs 1,000 towards general
support for this case.


speak up, what you *can* do that is tangible and meaningful, please.
and share it with us on the list.

think about it. each one of us can do something, in our own, small,
little ways. no matter how small, it will make a difference.


do. do. do.
dah. dah. dah.
is all i want to
say to you.

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Re: [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple

[linuxlingam]

great to see the number of 'experts' on cyber laws voicing their
'expert' 'analysis' on this topic.

i thought we'd do something meaningful, doable, about this.

Self-whisper from The Matrix:
"Focus, Trinity!"

:-)
LL


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[ilugd] KDE+GNOME+Enlightenment+TWM

[linuxlingam]

dear all,

remember reading a few daze ago, about what commands and configurations
to alter, so i can have KDE on F7, gnome on F8, and other desktop logins
on other keys.

been thru gmane archives, thru google, but can't seem to locate that
reference. not in my mozilla bookmarks either.

anybody knows/can point me, to how to achieve this?

??
LL

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[ilugd] april ilug-d meet

[linuxlingam]

twelve hot chocolate fudges at nirula's ice-cream parlour.
sirtaj, the famous KDE developer, had two.

all this after a delicious chinese dinner at Yo! China at Priya Complex,
in vasant vihar.

which was what the partying gang at linux-delhi headed to, after
hungrily devouring some hot and spicy momos at the open-air stall
outside, at the promenade.

mayank and the LFY team had also organized chilled Cokes for the parched
iluggers at the meet in okhla. i think more than 35 showed up for the
meet.

many got their Linux-Delhi tee-shirts. yeaah!

ankur dazzled everyone with his super-sleek, super-sexy Dell laptop.

raj mathur had some eye-candy on his laptop too, that was rather
inspiring in the lazy, afternoon heat...

and i won't even mention the eye-candy sandip savoured at nirula's...


so why did you miss the meet? you thought we were some born-losers who
had nothing better to do than talk bone-cut dry geek yack?

you're mistaken! we've been having some really juicy, clubby, kick-ass
meets that are great excuses to party. and the newbies especially love
the burst of energy, enthusiasm, and bonding they receive from delhi's
LUGers.

example: anindya sen, arrived in delhi about six months ago from
calcutta. new, bewildering city. new job. drops in at the ilug-d meet
today, and drops home by late evening, after having made dozens of new
friends and contacts, with similar outlooks and tastes.

see you next month, 16th May, unless you wanna spend another sunday,
sitting bored at home, watching lousy reruns on telly or hiding
eternally behind that photon-spitting monitor.

:-)
LL


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Re: [ilugd] only one reason

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 17:08, R.Vijayaraghavan wrote:


> 
> the progress bar came near the 80% mark and suddenly, d4x got stuck. i
> waited for 20 mins, then had to kill it. tried to restart it, and wow, it
> never woke up. those were 7.3 days and from that day, never tried to
> download a file in linux. that was a 280 MB, i guess.


h! so you wanna do a download under linux. assuming its some
software, everybody on the list here can tell you to use apt-get or
sudev can recommend synaptic, and that'll solve most other problems too

:-)
LL


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Re: [ilugd] only one reason

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 13:43, R.Vijayaraghavan wrote:
> I use WinXP only for one reason, downloading huge files which weigh more
> than, say, 100MB.
> 
> I have switched over to OOo from MS Office, switched over to Firebird
> from IE, switched over to Tunderbird from OE ( i'm which step, LL ),
> thats only when I work in WinXP (I most of the time work in gnulinux). 

Step I of seven steps to software samadhi.
:-)

> 
> I just need a good download manager for linux. 
i noticed the download manager of mozilla is pretty good though. i
haven't tried it under windoze since don't use windoze anymore. and
that's pretty scary sometimes. i mean, can you imagine, people think i'm
some computer guy, until i start fumbling with their windoze pc like
some clueless idiot these days.  :-)


i'd rather be a clueless idiot on other people's windoze, than a
well-informed digital slave with basic, digital rights relinquished.
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Open Source Software:-

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 07:08, Arun Kumar.A,delhi wrote:
> Hi all,
>  Can anyone provide a single session lecture on Open Source Software.This is for a 
> few group.
> Kindly advice.
> 
> regards,
>  ARUN KUMAR.A


i can bark on it for a couple of hours before my throat is slaked.

what do you want? what audience? what topic? where?

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] mouse to speaker buzzing sound

[linuxlingam]

On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 00:27, Avinesh Bangar wrote:


> 
> Were your speakers really close to your mouse cable?  We have similar
> issues here at our office.  Whenever a cell phone within close
> proximity to a PC and speakers/headphones rings, you can hear the
> speakers buzzing/hear buzzing in your headphones.  Electromagnetic
> induction.. grrr.  Of course, all the electronic devices (here in
> CAN/US) come with a FCC warning.. 'Must accept any interference
> received' :-| [1].
> 
> [1] http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/eadfaqs.html
> 
> Regards,
>  Avinesh
> 

nah! avinesh, EMI is what i initially thought too. but one day, this
engineer walked in and showed me it wasnt happening with other OSes and
other releases on the same PC. that's when it dawned on me some bizarre
stuff is happening with redhat8, and i can't remember if it happend with
redhat7.3

when i installed fedora (pcqlk24) it disappeared. strange are the ways
of the tux with other animal spirits. like the mouse.
:-)
LL

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[ilugd] mouse to speaker buzzing sound

[linuxlingam]

dear all,

a few months ago i mentioned an irritating problem: everytime i moved my
mouse, it created some electrical-interference-related noise in my
speakers. i googled, asked lists, tweaked, fasted, prayed, but the
problem did not go away.

:-)

installed fedora, and it disappeared.

just fyi.
moral: if you have a problem under gnulinux, it will disappear within a
few weeks anyway. just keep updating.

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] deb cds and t shirt

[linuxlingam]

On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 10:55, Raj Mathur wrote:
> >>>>> "LL" == linuxlingam  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> LL> scrch! did someone say tea shirts?!!!  all be aware: vivek
> LL> has the ilug-d teeshirts. his only problem is commuting with
> LL> them to the meet (buses, metro,inconvenient). so have told him
> LL> to catch a cab or a scootie, and just have the expense
> LL> refunded from the voluntary collection of funds from the meet.
> 
> I'm glad LL has volunteered to defray Vivek's T-shirt transportation
> expenses :)
> 
> Thank you, LL!

hope in hell.
the kitty collection from the meet pays his expense.
if that is not acceptable, i could ask microsoft to sponsor our
tee-shirts, with their logo, an exclusive sponsorship banner and pop-up
ad on linux-delhi site, and support and help for nishikant to redo the
site in asp, so they could give linux-delhi a mention on their website
as a case-study.

your choice.

LL
> 
> -- Raju

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Re: [ilugd] deb cds and t shirt

[linuxlingam]

scrch! did someone say tea shirts?!!!

all be aware: vivek has the ilug-d teeshirts. his only problem is
commuting with them to the meet (buses, metro,inconvenient). so have
told him to catch a cab or a scootie, and just have the expense refunded
from the voluntary collection of funds from the meet.

simple.

get your tee shirts.

those who disagree, please make arrangments for vivek khurana to bring
teeshirts to meet.

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] ILUGD April 2004 Meeting

[LinuxLingam]

On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 13:29, Ankur Rohatgi wrote:

> I will bring along my notebook and if anyone wants to see the stuff i
> was talking about earlier they are welcome to :) .
> 
> - - Ankur.


arrey! haa bhai. bring it along. in fact, i have a newbie/friend, who
got inspired by gnulinux, installed it on his laptop, fried everything,
and swore never to touch it for the next 3 years. have just pacified him
somewhat. told him laptops with linux are different beasts than
desktops, and need some taming. hope you bring some confidence in him.

:-)
LL


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[ilugd] april 18th meet

[linuxlingam]

at 2pm, EFY, okhla. tarun, final age andaa ?

final speekars?

for newbies: demo of eye-candy / redhat vs debian / debian install.

tarun to confirm the aspect for newbies


jaldi karo, teen din bachey hai.

mary, kya aap aayengee?


:-)
LL

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[ilugd] linux kernel uner windoze

[linuxlingam]

http://www.colinux.org/

is a project by a 21-yr old israeli student with japanese collaborators.

colinux runs the linux kernel under windoze xp and 2k. bye bye vmware,
this is gpl. check out the screenshots.

native linux apps run under windoze. not like cygwin.

looks like 7steps2softwaresamadhi needs a much-needed update

:-)
LL

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[ilugd] generate background

[linuxlingam]

eyecandy lovers:

Generate Background 1.0.2 
http://freshmeat.net/releases/157423/

Generate Background is a random wallpaper selector that chooses
wallpapers from a directory. It is useful for changing wallpapers
automatically each time X is restarted. 

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Re: [ilugd] Now the Only Way Microsoft Can Die is by Suicide

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 07:05, vivek khurana wrote:
> --- Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:

>   Hey, guyz if Sun and MS are going to be a married
> couple then what will happen to the future of
> open-office. 

OO.o is GPL-ed so it can't be wished away, or whisked away. :-)

nothing stops, say IBM to start investing in OO.o. so could oracle, or
infosys, or karol bagh saree house. or haldiram. whoever.

i really wonder what happens to staroffice, though.
that's the question, since SO hits M$O in the enterprise and government
markets.

but then again, nothing stops ...
you get the picture.

how many billions do you need to keep everyone away from every GPL
software?

you'll soon find you may just run out of your billions doing that.

ironically, others will be busy making billions with GPL, like IBM, HP,
for instance.

:)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Now the Only Way Microsoft Can Die is by Suicide

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 03:13, Eswar wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> 
> > look at the bright side: m$ needs sun. yes, they need sun to
> > compete with them, to rival them, so they can't let sun finish
> > itself off, even if they wish that real hard. and sun will gladly
> > respond and start competing and fighting again. this is the bizarre
> > way this industry works.
> 
> MATRIX.[Smit finish neoSmit Dies!]
> 


nope, eswar, matrix is fast becoming a tired cliche anyways.

truth is always greater than fiction.

LL

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Re: [ilugd] Now the Only Way Microsoft Can Die is by Suicide

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 00:57, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
> While articles of this guy generally contain sweeping jumps to 
> conclusions sometimes...this time I am in quite an agreement with him. 
> If LL would remember, I have been predicting something big about to hit 
> the software world soon, and people will never know till it hits them.

btw, sandip has gained some startling insights into the computing
industry which he's been randomly discussing with me. i wish he would
give a small talk on this, at a forthcoming meet. is this april 18th
meet possible to hear your perls of wisdom on java? (ouch!)


> 
> It is time for all FLOSS based people to sit up and notice how things 
> are going to change in the coming years, and how we should be preparing 
> for it!
> 

please tell us how.

> - Sandip

you know, i would like to take all this with a pinch of silicon.
remember how everyone balked at steve jobs kissing the ring on billG's
finger in 1997? everyone thought the apple/win fights were over. turned
out that just within a few years, apple struck back with new markets,
new strategies, new products, new services, that even as a niche player,
it made significant dents in the universe, and m$ is playing catchup
again. so far, m$ or others cannot match iTunes store, or iPod, never
mind atleast my personal views on these two. quicktime is quite mature.
apple of all people has made the browser market hot again, with support
for konqueror, and supporting some FLOSS projects.

similarly, i incorrectly predicted in an article a few years ago, dire
times for adobe with m$ purchasing corel. nothing happened. not even a
blip.

despite IE, netscape as mozilla is hot, too.

look at the bright side: m$ needs sun. yes, they need sun to compete
with them, to rival them, so they can't let sun finish itself off, even
if they wish that real hard. and sun will gladly respond and start
competing and fighting again. this is the bizarre way this industry
works.

heck! after heckling ibm for decades, apple went to ibm after dropping
motorola 680x0, for the powerpc consortium.

the simplistic conclusions of this much maturer industry are usually
wrong.

and i hope i am wrong too in all i'm saying here.
life must always be bigger and full of surprises.
let the mind analyze and do its thing.
despite all the armchair predictions and leading experts of 40 years,
the berlin wall just came down one day. by individuals. peacefully.

and i have sincerely stopped all wishes and reactions against m$. they
can't, won't, and shouldn't vanish. i hope they turn kinder, gentler. i
know they will eventually turn GPL or use a similar freedom-oriented
license, since it makes real business sense and strategy.

monsters turn into mother teresa overnight in this industry. remember at
one time, decades ago, ibm was the microsoft of the industry. today they
take out wonderful ads of linux on prime time and do amazing and ethical
things.


so this email should really be titled: 
m$ can only die as a caterpillar, and be born as a butterfly.

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Problem Starting KMouth

[LinuxLingam]

On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 13:54, Raj Shekhar wrote:
> Kunal Singhal (Linux) wrote:
> 
> > I did a full installation of PCQLinux 2004. It comes bundled with a text-to-speesh 
> > software KMouth.
> > When I run it from the command line, it quits with th error
> > "Segmentation Fault"
> 
> Seems like the RPM needs some libraries that are not on your system. I 
> would suggest that you get the SRPM for KMouth and build that for your 
> system.
> 
> Note: You can get source and compile them too ... but do not do this. 
> You rpm database would have problems later.

i've noticed a couple of problems with installed packages under
pcqlinux2k4 too. finally, i just gave up, uninstalled the packages, and
downloaded and did a fresh install of those packages. they worked.
apparantly, the problems could have been caused by something called
'pre-link' ...

LL


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Re: [ilugd] Two things

[linuxlingam]

On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 09:47, Raj Mathur wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

> 
> Nishi> b} I have had someone ask me if we would be willing to run
> Nishi> his banner at ILUG-D site.[snip]
> 
> My first reaction also was No, but thinking about it a bit more, why
> don't we see if the following is possible:
> 
> Have someone new sponsor the monthly ILUGD Meet each month.  Define
> what resources they would have to provide.  Have their banner run for
> the duration of that month.
> 
> Of course, even if we agree that this is doable we'd still need to do
> tons of work in terms of both policy and logistics before we could
> implement it, but how does it sounds in principle?  Please feel free
> to flame if you feel that this is $stupid_idea('2004') :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> - -- Raju
> 


we hack out a policy, as part of the agenda of the next meet. discussions begin on the 
mailing list immediately, on a new thread.
the policy is publicly hosted on the linux delhi site.
sponsors interested can contact further.

time-frame is not important. whether it is for a month or a day or a year. whether 
exclusive or non-exclusive. many more aspects to this. i remember we once had a TOI 
person at our meet, who gave a talk on disruptive technologies. would he be interested 
to help form this policy for us?

??
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Two things

[linuxlingam]

On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 17:39, vivek khurana wrote:
> --- Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > Hi Nishikant,
> > 
> > > "Nishi" == Nishikant Kapoor
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> >> 
> > Only the pre-flashmob meet has been decided so far,
> > will add it to
> > event list.
> 
>  We do have a scheduled meeting on 18th April 2004 at
> EFY Okhla.

yes, there IS a linux-delhi meet on the third sunday of this month, i.e.
april 18th!!! tarun dua, please post the final agenda and speakers etc.

> 
>  Ther seems to be a confusion of supercomputing meet
> being conducted this month. I don't think we can do it
> this month. 

vivek, the supercomputing coordinators/volunteers are meeting on 11th
april at raj's index.html to discuss this. the actual supercomputing
event dates and time will be announced subsequently, whether this month
end or next month or whenever.

:-)
LL

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[ilugd] [x-posted]Re: [FSF-WG] Bill Gates quote

[linuxlingam]

forwarded without prejudice:


On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 04:14, Richard Stallman wrote:
> This quote could be useful.
[snip]

> On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 10:57:27AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > We could draw a cartoon of Gates handing gratis packs of Microsoft
> > Windows (looking like cigarette packs) to a poor Indian teacher,
> > saying, "Now your students can get hooked before they grow up!"  (This
> > is a real Microsoft tactic in India and probably elsewhere.) 
> 
> I'm sure you've read this before, but it seems relevant:
> 
>   "Although about three million computers get sold every year in
>China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will,
>though. And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to
>steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow
>figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."
> 
>Bill Gates, Address to UW
>Quoted on July 20, 1998 in Fortune Magazine
> --- End of forwarded message ---
> 

would be nice if the indian press publishes this quote.

LL

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Re: Subject: Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly

[linuxlingam]

On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 18:16, Anindya Roy wrote:
> Well, I conferm My presence on Sunday 1300hrs with the flashmob CD
> 
> Regards
> Anindya
> 

thanks for confirming your presence, but may i request you *not* to
top-post, that too to a huge mail digest of ilug-d? am sure it must have
been done in error.

:-(
LL

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[ilugd] [x-posted] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

dear linux users across india,

looks like ilug-delhi is rolling with plans to build a "flash mob"
supercomputer sometime this month or next month.

people will be invited to bring in their pcs, whether linux or windoze
boxes, and plug it into a high-speed LAN. a bootable live distro of
gnulinux that allows clustering, will be used to boot the pcs and make
them into nodes.

our first, on-the-fly, supercomputer.

this event will doubtlessly make news, and make history.

more details about this can be found on the linux-delhi mailing list

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would be really exciting if Linux User Groups across india also get into
building flashmobsupercomputers in their areas.

let's start this race.
1) which ilug is the first to make the flash mob supercomputer
2) who builds the fastest
3) who has the largest number of nodes.
4) how would these compare to india's fastest supercomputers?

this will be so cool! we'll have supercomputers being built on weekends
across india.

remember to call the local press in your area to the event.

:-)
LL



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[ilugd] mozilla 1.4.1 bug

[linuxlingam]

under previous versions of mozilla, i could drag+drop urls to the
taskbar and make one-click buttons out of them.

in mozilla 1.4.1 when i drag and drop urls to the taskbar, they don't
embed. any idea how to get this going?
?
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Another Suitable Place for ILUGD - Supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 01:46, Mayank Jain wrote:


mayank, you need to meet with the rest of the gang to discuss this
further. guys, this is incredible, this is the third or the fourth venue
that wants to do the flashmobthingie.

wow!

check the mailing list for venue, date, timings. the key persons
handling this so far are vivek khurana, gaurav, anindya, and you.
several several several have volunteered. so that makes it a team
effort. all those interested please turn up at the meeting to discuss
how to do this, who handles what, how, why
recommendation: sandipbat handles network management...


:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Defining a Linux user

[linuxlingam]

> 
> it is very hard to count total number of linux users since there is no one 
> forcing you to register your copy so that the number can be successfully 
> calculated.
> 
> 
> 
>   Anirban Biswas  

ghane urges people often to register at the linux counter. but you are
right, people don't. which is why we are trying various approaches to
guess the total number of users. btw, we don't really have figures of pc
users in india, either. dq always mentions installed pc base, never pc
users, which is an old principle of statistics: "When in doubt, leave
out."

:-)

LL


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Re: Subject: Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 23:14, Raj Mathur wrote:

> Anyway, may I invite you to my place this Saturday for the meeting?
> Say, 4pm?  We can get together and work out the logistics, and take a
> decision on the best place to hold the flashmob.  If everyone's
> amenable to meeting at Munirka I can post address and directions.
> 
> Regards,
> 

that's a great suggestion. thanks for the offer. what do others say?

> -- Raju

suggested new movie title: "raju banayegaa super kampooter"
[g,d,r]


:-)
LL

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Re: Subject: Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer(Meeting)

[linuxlingam]

On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:36, vivek khurana wrote:
> Hi!
> 
>  Okay, guyz time to plan for the project. Lets meet
> this sunday 10th April 2004 at 4:00 p.m (1600 hrs for
> those who use boeing for travelling) at Delhi haat,
> open air theater. 


bloody hot these days. you guys wanna bake? could someone please provide
a meeting place in-doors, from the volunteers of this project? lots of
supply of drinking water preferable. later, when the evening is cooler,
you guys could go hang out post-meet wherever you like.

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Defining a Linux user

[linuxlingam]

On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 16:26, Rahul Kumar wrote:
> Recently I overheard a conversation about How many Linux users there are
> in India. 

okay, the context of this thread: dq reported that in the previous
month, the installed base of pcs in india touched 10 million. (1 crore)
pcs.

that makes it 1 pc for every 100 indian on the sub-continent.
that's very poor diffusion of pc in india.
[no, i hate using the word 'pc penetration' in india, as i find it a bit
offensive]

okay, so a group of us started wondering at the ilug-d meet, what's the
big deal about IT in india, with that extraordinarily low pc stats in
india. i mean, we've got more than 30 million cell users in india. IMHO,
the cellphone is a computing device too. we also started wondering how
many PC-users are there in india. through various "highly educated"
guesses ;-) over delicious glasses of chai, we arrived at the precisely
random figure of 100 million pc users (10 crores). it so conveniently
fits into "one in every ten indian is a pc user." your mileage will vary
tremendously.

anyways, the real question we pondered on: for all the hype, how many
linux-users could there be in india. if you add the number of user
groups and each's membership, you come to a figure so low i'd rather not
mention it.

and rahul takes on the gauntlet: he wants to know how do you define a
linux user? he wants to know whether you count a windows user who
browses the net/lan thru a linux server, as a linux user? and so on. by
which time, i was ready to escape into the mind-numbing movie-hall

please, everyone, do respond to rahul's stupendous email with your
thoughts. rahul, would be nice if you could post your email to the
linux-india mailing list too. let's try to get to our definition of a
linux user, and to guestimates of linux users in india.

my takes: anyone who uses run-level 5 *only* and with OO and evolution
only, on a dual-boot pc, *is* a linux user for me.

anybody who has a linux installed on the desktop or laptop for their
individual use (whether at home or office) is a linux user.

but someone who uses a linux server from a windoze desktop, is *not* a
linux user. in this case, the user is not directly interacting with
linux. it is set up to handle this without intervention from this
windoze user. okay, what's your take.

i *think* the total number of linux users in india could not be more
than 20 lakh. why? because linux has usually 2% market share, and this
is 2% of the 10 million pcs in india. (10 million=1 crore. 20 lakh = 2
million).

i'm also sure this figure is off by +- 90%
[grin]

what do you say?

:-)
LL

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[Fwd: Re: [ilugd] Another Suitable Place for ILUGD - Supercomputer]

[linuxlingam]

er... eswar sent me this document, i think he meant it for the mailing
list, so others onto the flashmobcomputing can respond. vivek, all
yours!

LL

ps: eswar, *bsd is another thread one day. ;-)


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From: Eswar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Another Suitable Place for ILUGD - Supercomputer
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:36:53 +0530

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Hi LL,

> we also have gourav, and i think anindya who volunteered their
> site. lemme see. 350+ computers here, probably 100 at gourav's, and
> another 150 to 200 at anindya's. if we could inter-connect these,
> what would we get? the question though it how, look at the gigantic
> distances between these places. wifiMax is the answer, but who's
> got wifiMax?
> 
> which reminds me, i should stop thinking at this time of the early
> day. :-)

350+ comps made to a Single Super Computer Grate idea!!!

But i still dont understand u are all talking abt cd booting and no
install stuffhere are my concerns
How much time it will take if we all start this 350 computers...one
by one with cd booting...or with 10 cds...or with 50 cds ??

Networking can be worked out ...for that matter i can help you
guys...yeah...not with equipment but with...something else...(gyan i
dont have...so that i can share)

At least 75% the systems should have the OS pre-installed

(are we dead in to linux...or if i follow raju at the coffee place in
PVRFreeBSD also is okey)

Regards

Eswar

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Re: [ilugd] Another Suitable Place for ILUGD - Supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 06:27, Mayank Jain wrote:
> Hi guyz,
> 
> Last night i got a brilliant idea, why not we have
> this flashmobComputing stuff in my college (Maharaja
> Agarsen Inst. of Technology)

work more at night.


> 
> Place = Rohini, Sect-22
> Computers = 350+ = no probs (all linux)
> Cabling = already there
> switches = already there (dunno about gigabit
> switches)
> Space = no probs
> Electricity = no probs
> Refreshments = canteen


we also have gourav, and i think anindya who volunteered their site.
lemme see. 350+ computers here, probably 100 at gourav's, and another
150 to 200 at anindya's. if we could inter-connect these, what would we
get? the question though it how, look at the gigantic distances between
these places. wifiMax is the answer, but who's got wifiMax?

which reminds me, i should stop thinking at this time of the early day.
:-)

LL

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Re: [ilugd] Re:RH 7.1 not able to access GUI

[linuxlingam]

On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 23:24, Shashank Sharma wrote:
> Delete your /tmp files and then also remove or check the permissions on the 
> .Xauthority file, you can even just delete it as well as it will get recreated when 
> starting X.
> 
> -LinuxLala


Lallaji, nice name!

;-)
LL

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Re: Subject: RE: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly

[LinuxLingam]

On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 17:44, Anindya Roy wrote:
> Hi LL
> 
>  
> 
> ya this sounds possible but would like to know what exactly it will
> require like an estimated number of PCs you are hoping for and will it
> be held on a Working or non working day. etc.
> 

gaurav and you and vivek need to coordinate this.
>  
> 
> All those professional questions u see ;)
> 

right! i am that little pygmy boy who beats a drum loud and long, and
when people show up on what's the noise about, drops the drum on someone
and runs wildly into the jungle screaming.

the flashmobsupercomputing has excited, committed volunteers: you guys
are the experts and/or with the resources. discuss how you wanna do it,
when, where, and i'm game.
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> Anindya

;-)
LL
> 
>  



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Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer

[LinuxLingam]

On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 12:23, Gaurav Jain wrote:


> let me make proper arrangements, and if number of participants/cpu is more
> clear, proper arrangements for power, cooling, refereshments can be
> arranged.
> we have a cluster of smp systems here, are will be most happy to
> participate.
> cheers
> gaurav
> 


yeah this is cool! so great to see you take charge of this, and the
several others who have volunteered, coordinate with gaurav and let's
get the ball rolling.

:-)
LL


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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Re: darwin, macOS portable, etc

[LinuxLingam]

On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 11:56, Rahul Kumar wrote:


> 1. Apple is very much into opensource - not just Darwin.
> http://developer.apple.com/darwin/ps-faq.html

their license is officially recognized by FSF as a free license.
> 
> 2. Apple sold about 734,000 desktops this quarter - which makes it the
> highest *selling* Unix (as per one report). 

apple ran into controversy for using the official UNIX logo on their
site. so you've gotta use the word *nix.


> Since we were talking desktops that day, how many desktops due you
> estimate Linux runs on?
> 
> BTW, what happened to the discussion over the definition of a Linux user
> ?
> --
> re
> rk
> 
i could start this discussion, but as you can see, i have too many
discussion threads initiated.

besides, *you* are the one with the valuable insights and counterpoints.
so, everyone on the list, rahul has some thought-provoking questions to
ask, and look forward to his new thread on this, [fresh email], which
will contain a brief synopsis, and a challenge/response to all at
ilug-d. his questions and requests for clarifications will get you
scratching your head.

over to you, rahul, and please start a new, fresh, email as a new
thread.

best of luck

:-)
LL


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Re: [ilugd] darwin, macOS portable, etc

[LinuxLingam]

On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 10:12, Rahul Kumar wrote:


> Hi LL,
> Thanks for this piece on gnu-darwin. My (first) Mac (Powerbook
> Superdrive) will be coming in on the 9th [ In fact my first
> non-Linux anything since '97 ] I probably would land up trying out
> gnu-darwin on my other PCs.
> -- thanks, rk

you'd be happy to know that the tata instt of fundamental research in
bombay has quite a few macs and laptops too. running gnuliux, bsd, etc. 

but it would be great to see gnudarwin run on intel

:-)
LL


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Re: [ilugd] FlashMob Falls Short of Supercomputer Goal

[linuxlingam]

On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 01:07, Bhaskar Dutta wrote:
> Hi all,
>   just wanted to share this information regarding the
> flashmob I event which happened earlier today. I have
> been following this event for quite a few weeks.
> 
> The event failed to gather 500 gigaflops to achieve
> supercomputer status. managed around 180 only. 


we are not that ambitious. no need to break world records, etc. just
doing that event is making history in indian computing.

we'll probably manage anything between 50 to 100 computers which is good
enough. am sure as time goes by, people will finetune flashmobcomputng
until within six months to two years, they break world supercomputing
records. it is inevitable. let's just get started and run patience on a
supercomputer, though someone would have to re-work the code! [grin]
:-)
LL

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[ilugd] ROX and ZeroInstall

[linuxlingam]

okay guys, back to some real common-sense through real intelligence.
this is what the ETIAF (everything is a file) architecture of unix was
all about. this is how the mac initially started, and its back to the
original source. forget kde, gnome, etc. try ROX, god-send for idiots
like me!

http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/WhatIsRox

with a combo-offer with zeroinstall
http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/ZeroInstall

you can forget about installation hell, dependency hell, and working
with application launchers.

could this make it to the next LiFY cd? do people have downloads?
response from iluggers who've tried this?
:-)
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Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 22:27, Gaurav Jain wrote:
> i volunteer to use my office in gurgaon
> if its convinient for everyone, i will make the arrangements.
> 


thanks gaurav jain. er... could your infrastructure handle about 100
computers and its cooling? network, backup, etc? do you have existing
computers (with cdroms) that could also be plugged into this?

:-)LL

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Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 22:25, Gaurav Jain wrote:


> >
> 
> it would also make sense to benchmark with HPL. See www.top500.org for more
> details
> i have some experience in setting it all up.
> 
> cheers
> gaurav
> 


yabba dabba dooo! another volunteer!
keep counting, guys. so its final. this event is happening.
should we set up a separate forum / discussion on the website for this,
or continue with this on the regular mailing list? given that this is
just a one-month or two-month thing, i'd recommend we continue
discussing this on this mailing list, under this thread. this way,
everyone knows what's happening and more momentum can be built.

:-)
LL

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RE: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer.(From Anindya Roy)

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 18:48, Anindya Roy wrote:
> Hi All
> 
>  
> 
> The Idea Sounds really Very Cool. Can I help you guys in any ways? I have some 
> experience on setting up different Linux Clusters and also I am sitting on a good 
> bandwidth so can volunteer for downloading stuffs.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Anindya Roy 
> 
> PCQLabs


yeah! that's our tenth volunteer for this project. way to go. looks like
this is happening. anindya, since you work at pcqlabs, is it possible we
set this up supercluster up at PCQlabs/cmil. they have all the necessary
infrastructure to do this. and this kind of a closer interaction with
the linux community would also be refreshing and synergetic.

could you please ask your powers-that-be?

wouldn't that be cool? 

:-)
LL



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RE: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 08:41, vivek khurana wrote:

>  This is a pretty good idea. I had worked a bit on
> clusters, and i am volunteering for the event. But
> before we go ahead with it a lot of planing has to be
> done. 

that makes you the fifth or the sixth volunteer for this. good. this is
picking up steam.


>  The first thing we have to decide is location.
> Location needs to have a good cooling system, power
> line needs to industrial type (indian standard) as the
> cluster will eat up lot of power (We might need the
> location for the whole weekend).

location is everything. someone please volunteer for this.

>  Secondly we have to decide the size and what we have
> to do with the supercomputer. This involves some
> maths, and i will need a volunteer to help me out in
> all the calculations (basically cross check my
> calculations).

okay, i do know that a certain ajay kumar is a lecturer or a prof. of
maths at st. stephens. he migrated to delhi last year from the top
college in mumbai. he is a TeX dude, and understands linux reasonably
well. also understands and appreciates mathematics software. with that
background, i suppose he would be the ideal guy to mentor, suggest
supercomputing challenges from academia, and basically do something. i
have lost his contact details. am sure there are people on this list
from st. stephen's or have friends who study at st stephens, or
something. please could you get in touch with him, and ask him to come
online on this mailing list. he could coordinate and see this project
thru for us.

:-)
LL

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RE: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 07:08, Raj Mathur wrote:
> >>>>> "LL" == linuxlingam  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> LL> [snip]
> 
> LL> sandip, do you think you could help on this? supreet has
> LL> experimented a bit with clusters i recall. who all would like
> LL> to research and volunteer to set this up, please? i think this
> LL> is a fantastic idea.
> 
> LL> a volunteer, weekend, instant supercomputer.  a maggie,
> LL> two-minute google.  a supercomputer for the heck of it.
> 
> ...but what do we do with it?
> 
> -- Raju

dismantle it after a few hours. obviously.
someone from academia/maths/ has to help demo a cool process on it and
then we dismantle it. this is just for kicks raj.
check the urls posted earlier.

:-)
LL

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[ilugd] remove symbolic link from apache var/www/html

[linuxlingam]

have created a symbolic link using ln -s to a directory called 'images'
into /var/www/html

i wish to delete this symbolic link: /var/www/html/images

have tried rmdir, rm -fR, ln -f, read thru the man pages of rm, ln,
tried a mv, but all fail. and am doing all these as root.

what's the way of deleting this symbolic link, please?

??
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[Fwd: Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer]

[linuxlingam]

[forward]

YO!!!

I support this...and i can dedicate time for the same 

Just tell me...when and where...i can get 2 pc's...to demo SMP Clustering...

Gimme 2 weeks to prepare for the same

Regards

Eswar
[/forward]

***

that makes two volunteers so far, and counting.

:-)
LL

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RE: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

just read the faq on flashmobcomputing.

http://www.flashmobcomputing.org/misc/faq



in 1998, in germany the fire department blew snowy-cold air into the
room to keep the computers cool! yeouch!

that means, we need a building with enough pre-existing computers, loads
of spare plugs, and good power supply to take the load. it also depends
on how big our cluster is.

for instance, even if we do this with say, 50 to 100 pcs from volunteers
from ilug-d, it is worth it, and a moment in history.
the newspapers and press will cover it.

i also wonder how it will benchmark against india's existing
supercomputers.

:-)
LL

ps: i mentioned i have no knowhow about clusters etc, but wish to
explore this. also, they are doing this with knoppix, as i had guessed
in my previous email. so even windoze users can bring their pcs, network
them, and run a live boot cd of clusterknoppix to create a
supercomputer.

translation: no techie knowledge required for participants and
volunteers. just bring pc. though we would need one or two guys who
handle the logistics and supercomputing benchmarking, etc.

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RE: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 01:36, Akshay Lamba wrote:

> 
> 
> LL have a look at this. http://www.flashmobcomputing.org/
> 
> Couple of points I gather from the article:
> 
> 1. They're going to release an iso after the even. We can use the same
> iso for ilug event.

in just 12 hours this event will happen. so i'm going to tune in
tomorrow to this.



> 2. The purpose on the event is to solve or attempt to solve one problem
>  we need to decide on that.

er.. how to run the world's fastest screensaver. :-)
i don't know. we need someone from academia and research or maths to
figure this out. probably a gene, some molecular structures,
mathematical brute-forcing

they also have tools to benchmark whether the supercomputer gets into
the world's top 500.

what i really like is that 
1)they have a LAN party at the end of it.
2) you could even bring a non-linux pc. they'll run this thru a bootable
cd. how cool!
3) everyone gets a sticker/decal of participation.
4)everyone gets a teeshirt they took part in this event.

you know, i get the feeling at ilug-delhi, we *could* break the world
record to even become the fastest supercomputer cluster in the world,
but i bet tarun dua's tee-shirts for the flashmobcomputing event of
ilug-d would be in by the end of this decade.
[grinning, ducking, running]
ouch!


:-)


> 3. To really run the benchmarking tests after the pc's are in place we
> too need a gigabit network in place...either we choose to go with a
> 10/100 LAN or we need to find a place that has a g-bit switch and
> cabling !!

hmm... volunteers, wake up. linux-delhi is awake at 1:47am.
:-)

> 
> Regrds,
> Akshay


:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: [K12OSN] OO 1.1.1 faster with remote xserver]

[linuxlingam]

On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 05:21, Anirban Biswas wrote:


> I am totally supporting you TeX & OO.o  are different stuff though produces 
> similar out put I only mnetained it since some ppl may intrested to it who do 
> not get what he/she want from a word processor.
> 
> 
>   Anirban Biswas

okay guys, fyi, this amazing maths instt in pune, is planning to conduct
workshops on TeX, for children in class VIII and above. ain't that cool.
http://bprim.org/

:-)
LL

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RE: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 00:51, Akshay Lamba wrote:
> This sounds really exciting LL. Any knowledgebase available on
> "flashmob"? I can bring a box with rh9 on it.
[snip]
> 
> Linux creates first ad-hoc, temporary supercomputer
> http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/04/02/184238
> 
>  Linux will be used to create a giant, temporary supercomputer from
> normal PCs brought by volunteers to an event tomorrow in San
> Francisco
> billed as the first of its kind. "FlashMob" 
[snip]

you could read thru the article at the url above. i don't have *any*
supercomputer cluster howto skills, yet. abhishek on this list had some
ideas, but he's migrated to hyderabad. am sure there are others on this
list who could show us how to do this. i know that there's a cd of
knoppix, called 'clusterknoppix' that does an amazing thing. pop copies
of the cd into each pc connected on a network and boot them to create
your on-the-boot cluster supercomputer. ymmw.

sandip, do you think you could help on this? supreet has experimented a
bit with clusters i recall. who all would like to research and volunteer
to set this up, please? i think this is a fantastic idea.

a volunteer, weekend, instant supercomputer.
a maggie, two-minute google.
a supercomputer for the heck of it.

let's do this, guys!

:-)
LL

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[ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer

[linuxlingam]

dear all,

this is an inspiration for a great idea. iluggers could get together,
say for the may 2k4 meet, bring their linux boxes, wire them up, and
create a 'flashmob' supercomputer. i could invite the press and write a
press release on this. someone could talk to tv channels to cover this.

read on to get inspired. people with supercomputing howto skills need to
volunteer. let's fix up a date, time, venue, and get started.

***


Linux creates first ad-hoc, temporary supercomputer
http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/04/02/184238

 Linux will be used to create a giant, temporary supercomputer from
normal PCs brought by volunteers to an event tomorrow in San
Francisco
billed as the first of its kind. "FlashMob" will showcase technology
enabling ordinary people with standard PCs to create a supercomputer
in
a matter of hours. The FlashMob event is sponsored by Foundry
Networks,
Myricom, and HP. 

***

HP-lurkers on the list could help and sponsor, too.


:-)
LL

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[ilugd] why m$ will win anyway

[linuxlingam]

here is the most brilliant article i've read yet, on how the EU case
against m$ is ineffective. in fact, it *proves* that all cases against
m$ will be ineffective and the company can, does, and will continue to
get away with non-compliance. the maths is simple. the logic even
simpler. it is the opinion of the author of the article, but a very
powerful one.

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040401.html

lots of things to learn from here.

:-)
LL

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[ilugd] [way-off-topic] iluggers who are axemen

[linuxlingam]

[off-topic]
i know quite a few iluggers of delhi, who love playing the guitar and
sometimes meet to practise some chords and strums. at the linux asia
expo, amitabh's guitar was used to jangle some chords and nerves quite
often! :-)

for you guys, i just discovered this: http://www.indianguitartabs.com

would be nice if at the next meet some of you could continue with that
jammin', post meet.

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] gaim 0.76

[linuxlingam]

On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 01:04, Kishore Bhargava wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi! All,
> 
> For all those GAIM fans, the wait is finally over. 0.76 was just
> released and yes Yahoo! works again. Go grab it before it gets /.'ed
> 
or a new version of yahoo disables it  ;-)

> Cheers...Kishore

does it work with msn by the way? anybody tried this?
??
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)

[linuxlingam]

On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 08:39, vivek khurana wrote:


>  I believe a full blown installation(30gb) of debian
> will be a great demo.

an install-fest is the most important thing to do to demonstrate to
newbies and others that this is *not* rocket science. so this has to be
done.

this must be followed up by an install of a random *.deb downloaded from
the net, or some ideas of apt and things.

>  If some one can bring it
> preinstalled on a harddisk, it will be great.
as a second pc. :-)

:-)
LL

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[ilugd] darwin, macOS portable, etc

[linuxlingam]

dear all,

ever since i remarked about the mac on an eye-candy thread, have been
wondering about the state-of-the-mac and decided to do some digging.

darwin is the name of the core of the mac os, that is based on freeBSD.
within the macos layer, a few custom things run over it. gnu-darwin is a
project to port darwin to intel. anyone on this list who is using
gnu-darwin on an intel? i'd love to hear your comments on this list.
many projects that work under linux have been ported successfully to
gnu-darwin.

finally, for your device-fetish, apple just released the powerpod, that
is really a pda, with a 'portable macos'. i bet 50 paise (with myself)
that once this device is out, someone is going to hack it and install
linux on it.
http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/333/C2687/
:-)

LL

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[ilugd] peer-distributed transfer protocal (PDTP)

[linuxlingam]

ikewillis writes "For awhile I've been following the development of
[0]PDTP (Peer Distributed Transfer Protocol), which is trying to
merge
the concepts of FTP and BitTorrent. This sounds like it could be
useful
for apt-get repositories or other high demand FTP sites. It's
designed
to be used as part of [1]scalable networks which could replace
manual
selection of FTP mirrors. It also supports a number of other nifty
features like cryptographic file signatures. Isn't it about time we
ditched FTP for something better?" 
Links
0. http://pdtp.org/
1. http://pdtp.org/static/networks.html

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[ilugd] agnula cd

[linuxlingam]

please, i need this distro (or is it a distro-fix?).

its called agnula. more about it at http://www.agnula.org/

i think most of you *audiophiles* are gonna love this.
it also solves various sound-related problems as a byproduct.


the one i want is here:
http://download.agnula.org/rehmudi/

its called rehmudi-2.0-cdrom.iso

could someone please contact me offlist, tell me how much for cds and
courier. thanks.

:-)
LL



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Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: [K12OSN] OO 1.1.1 faster with remote xserver]

[linuxlingam]

On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 23:56, Anirban Biswas wrote:
> Hi 
>   Do not take me wrong but I think M$ office or OO.o both sucks some how less 
> or more & if you guys really want to produce some high quality documents with 
> out any pain then learn & .use LaTex & if you already know it them Kile is a 
> very good LaTex editor in KDE

the above is a flame-bait. but atleast i won't fall for it. for 25
years, serious TeX users know that TeX is not in the same category as
ordinary word-processing, much less office suites such as oo.o and m$o.

TeX is for typesetting, and for something called 'document engineering.'

no comparison, even though both seem to do the same thing. but the
similarity ends there.

in the world of software sufism, there is no contradiction. the
intelligence of the heart sees that a computer can have both OO.o and
teX & its tools such as LaTex, KILE, LYX, etc, peacefully co-existing.

to this, i'd also add DTP like scribus.

as an aside, i can show you many people who handle letters, invoices,
etc, all from a spreadsheet rather than a wordprocessor, even though the
output is identical. big deal.

and btw, i use all three.


:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] date of april meet

[linuxlingam]

On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 12:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> sir,
>   I want to know the date of april meet.
> thankx...
> 

third sunday of april, which is...

18th april. 2pm. venue: EFY office, okhla Industrial area
:-)
LL

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[ilugd] argh! what's this dvdcss thingie?

[linuxlingam]

under the pcqlinux2k4 fedora, i found to my surprise a full-working
dvdplayer in software, which is great.

just a moment ago, i found the following:

/home/LL/.dvdcss/MY_DISC#200403252319/


okay, so i wonder, what the f**k is this? some sort of DRM (digital
rights management) mechanism in place?

make that digital restrictions management, in the words of RMS.

any clues, guys?

:-(
LL

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Re: [ilugd] kBinaryClock

[linuxlingam]

after spending more than 14 years staring at macintosh screens, i don't
want to make my gnulinux look like another mac. c'mon! i much prefer the
more adventurous things i can do in KDE and with eye-candy applets etc.

btw, i keep my taskbar on the top, never at the bottom. when apple first
designed the menu, they kept it at the bottom. user interface response
showed people found it better and more intuitive when at the top. the
visual of a menu dropping down is intuitive to our understanding of
gravity. people thought it did not take too much space when on the top.
so apple realized this and shifted it to the top. needless to say, the
macintosh GUI was a super roaring success.

ironic, when m$ created their mac-wannabe, [windoze] they put the
taskbar at the bottom. typical.

and so we have the majority of the population of pc users, keeping their
taskbar at the bottom.

endnote: NeXT put it on the right as a vertical, in NeXTstep. but deep
down steve knew what human cognition and perception intuitively
understands.

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Gentoo

[linuxlingam]

On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 23:06, Raj Shekhar wrote:
> linuxlingam wrote:
> 
> > it would be nice if mary delivered the talk, but i know she seems to be
> > rather busy these days and hasn't been attending meets regularly.
> 
> LL, I met Mary at the LinuxAsia. She is actually a He :-) . IIRC Mary is 
> a sys admin + programmer + system analyst at Sarai. So will the real 
> Mary please speak out and clear my confusion ?


hee hee heee! are you sure!
i bet there will be quite a large turnout at the april meet from the
curious...

btw, april fool, everyone.


:-)
LL

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