Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-11-14 Thread H.S.Rai
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM, H.S.Rai hardeep@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Seems, someone might have hijacked the agenda to make hay while the sun
  shines ;)

 I believe, there is no emergency now, as ban (on M$ products) is no more 
 there.

http://www.dqweek.com/dq-week/news/23230/jcda-conducts-seminar-open-source

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-11-14 Thread satyaakam goswami

   Seems, someone might have hijacked the agenda to make hay while the sun
   shines ;)
 
  I believe, there is no emergency now, as ban (on M$ products) is no more
 there.

 http://www.dqweek.com/dq-week/news/23230/jcda-conducts-seminar-open-source


yes i have seen this , have not spoken to him , hopefully he is covered
well and the steam is not lost after few months.

-Satya
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-11-14 Thread sanjay gupta
Dear Sir

I am really sorry not to respond in time. I am very much thankful to all of
you for taking your valuable time to discuss the topic. This has given us
very much needed confidence to explore FOSS. Mr Sudhir Gandotra is in touch
with so many associations of Punjab including ACTA and conducted a seminar
on installation/manage of Linux on Laptop/Desktop (non commercial). Our
members have got confidence in offering FOSS to end customers. The complete
event will be shared with the community later on. I am running Ubuntu 12.10
on my laptop just after the seminar.

What I see, there is a lot to be done for FOSS. It has to come out from
LAB, we didn't have any expert in our association, still we are sharing our
experience with others and providing whatever solution one gets.

Thanks  regards
Sanjay Gupta
M-9814084901

* I am available for any discussion on this topic.
 I believe, there is no emergency now, as ban (on M$ products) is no more
there.

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:49 PM, H.S.Rai hardeep@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM, H.S.Rai hardeep@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
   Seems, someone might have hijacked the agenda to make hay while the sun
   shines ;)
 
  I believe, there is no emergency now, as ban (on M$ products) is no more
 there.

 http://www.dqweek.com/dq-week/news/23230/jcda-conducts-seminar-open-source

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-11-14 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 11/14/2012 10:49 PM, H.S.Rai wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM, H.S.Rai hardeep@gmail.com wrote:
 Seems, someone might have hijacked the agenda to make hay while the sun
 shines ;)
 I believe, there is no emergency now, as ban (on M$ products) is no more 
 there.
 http://www.dqweek.com/dq-week/news/23230/jcda-conducts-seminar-open-source

The above said news did/does not cover any of the questions I raised in
my earlier post :(

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-11-14 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 11/14/2012 11:12 PM, sanjay gupta wrote:
 The complete event will be shared with the community later on.

I could not understand the reasons of such delay.

 What I see, there is a lot to be done for FOSS. It has to come out
 from LAB, we didn't have any expert in our association, still we are
 sharing our experience with others and providing whatever solution one
 gets.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with single step
   -- Laozi http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Laozi (c 604 BC - c 531 BC)
in the Tao Te Ching
http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Tao_Te_Chingaction=editredlink=1,
chapter 64.

And that's how the Linux/Unix and hundreds of thousands of other FLOSS
(Free/Libre Open Source Software) projects were started.

The vibrant community or volunteers behind these leave no stone unturned
to make this kind of software useful for an average user, but the
commercial users pay a little attention to give back to the community,
volunteers and, or FLOSS projects.

-- 
Balwinder S bdheeman Dheeman
(http://werc.homelinux.net/contact/)

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-11-08 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 10/13/2012 07:50 AM, satyaakam goswami wrote:
 I have created a page for this project
 http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/ILUGD/ActaTrainings
 anyone interested can edit the page accordingly. 

I learned that the JCTA and ACTA organized some training sessions in the
recent past; there's no mention of it on the above said page -- how
successful these workshops were and, or who delivered these trainings?

Were these training workshops video graphed? If yes, where these posted
to http://youtube.com/; If yes again, where can one find these?

IMHO, these kinds of sessions and, or videos can be useful for others
and valuable for the FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) movement in
general and the community in particular.

Seems, someone might have hijacked the agenda to make hay while the sun
shines ;)

-- 
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(http://werc.homelinux.net/contact/)


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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-11-08 Thread H.S.Rai
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com
wrote:

 IMHO, these kinds of sessions and, or videos can be useful for others
 and valuable for the FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) movement in
 general and the community in particular.

 Seems, someone might have hijacked the agenda to make hay while the sun
 shines ;)

I believe, there is no emergency now, as ban is no more there.

-- 
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-11-08 Thread H.S.Rai
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com
wrote:

 IMHO, these kinds of sessions and, or videos can be useful for others
 and valuable for the FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) movement in
 general and the community in particular.

 Seems, someone might have hijacked the agenda to make hay while the sun
 shines ;)

I believe, there is no emergency now, as ban (on M$ products) is no more
there.
-- 
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-15 Thread satyaakam goswami
 5.The demand is to develop confidence/awareness in the society about OSS,
 this topic should not be big enough to take weeks to discuss, it should be
 on demand, things should be availabe always, we are not going to fight on
 borders, we are discussing on the cofee table, it should be light enough to
 be carried by anyone.

now i am really confused initially this thread was started asking for
help , now  you say there are things already happening on the ground
and sounds like you are pretty much in good shape ,  so what is that
you are expecting from people in this group ?

-Satya
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-14 Thread Inder singh
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:14 PM, H.S.Rai hardeep@gmail.com wrote:

 By offering only MS Window solution only. I would like to see choice
 to customers. We need vendor, you show their customers machines with
 Linux, Mac, MS Windows.

 Now a day, to find a vendor who sell, support and promote Linux is
 difficult to find.

Exactly, If we talk about local vendors in towns and in small cities
(like one I belong to) they don't even have a slightest of knowledge
about what open source or Linux is. These local vendors from towns
(like Samrala) buy stuff from big vendors in big cities (like
Ludhiana) and after keeping a commission they supply it to local
customers and most of these guys are completely unaware of any
operating system other than windows.

 In Punjab Chandigarh, there is great opportunity, for the ultimate
 benefit of customers.

+1



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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-14 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman

On 10/14/2012 12:40 AM, sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com wrote:

A great thanx to all the concerned. For your information we have already 
started and three sessions/seminar is conducted successfully. 4th is on Monday. 
We will be covering 8 cities of Punjab in this month with the support of our 
friends. I will be in touch with all of you for further support.
Thanx again
Regards
Sanjay Gupta
ACTA, Amritsar
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On 13 October 2012 08:33, H.S.Rai hardeep@gmail.com wrote:


On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:15 AM,  sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com wrote:

This has been started (The News). We welcome all of you to be the part
of this movement. Let's start next monday onwards trainings/seminars in
each city of punjab and chandigarh even beyond this. Make a page
dedicated to OSS with content links, downloads, OEM lists support
Linux etc. My team is waiting.

What will happen, if M$ takes back FIR, and invites some members to
USA to visit their office ;-)

If that will not happen, they I am with you.

I always fins it difficulty to purchase Linux friendly PC/Laptop (or
any other hardware). Many vendor refuses to listen me. Those who are
nice and known to me, are favouring me by just letting me to try
before purchase, but no support.

Our IT Industry is handicapped.


[...]

Dear Hardeep-ji,

Your points are well taken, and I indeed sympathise
with your frustration. It can often seem that all various
parties in India presenting a facade of support for
FOSS are really interested in is promoting their own
narrow agenda. Genuine supporters of FOSS seem
to get marginalised in this process.

Nevertheless, unless we have good reasons to believe
otherwise, we should at least try to take on each potential
new project at its face value. Given that we have the
at least some volunteers, we should extend what support
we can to Sanjay-ji.

Balwinder, it would be good if you formally assumed lead
of this project, and drive it from here on out.


$Gora, I agree with you; and I understand it well that some of people 
are trying their their best to pick the agenda up and want to make hay 
while the sun shines. Hence,  we need to take care of them all. We 
nevertheless are neither political or religious nor are opportunists of 
any kind, so we should help only those who either are honest enough who 
want to give something back to the community or who are real proponents 
of Linux/Unix and, or FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software).


We, no doubt shall take a lead provided someone genuinely approaches us 
and, or someone else they feel is adequately competent enough to fulfill 
their needs and, or requirements and is open enough to post all the 
proceedings to the list and, or web.


--
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(http://werc.homelinux.net/contact/)


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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-14 Thread sanjay gupta
Dear Sir (Satya)

1.We are having sessions to train our support person on OS
(installation/manage/expand) so that they can develop confidence in OSS.
2.Further we will be exploring the device/manufacturer supporting OSS and
providing the drivers etc.
3.After getting feedback from the industry/consumer we will upload a Page
to provide all the practical solutions there, all the links to get to those
software/solutions.
4.We are having 100% practical approach to the technology from a home user
to an industry and we wish to design such a solution readily available to
all.
5.The demand is to develop confidence/awareness in the society about OSS,
this topic should not be big enough to take weeks to discuss, it should be
on demand, things should be availabe always, we are not going to fight on
borders, we are discussing on the cofee table, it should be light enough to
be carried by anyone.

Thanx for your concern
Sanjay Gupta
ACTA, Amritsar
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:50 AM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:40 AM,  sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com wrote:
  A great thanx to all the concerned. For your information we have already
 started and three sessions/seminar is conducted successfully. 4th is on
 Monday. We will be covering 8 cities of Punjab in this month with the
 support of our friends. I will be in touch with all of you for further
 support.

 What do you cover and who all are the audience ? can we have some
 insights into it , my initial assumption was we were trying to get the
 technical support person on the ground gain skills in order to support
 Gnu/Linux based systems .

 -Satya
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-13 Thread sanjaygupta . amritsar
Dear Sir (Prof. (Dr.) H.S.Rai)

You are in a position to aware the new generation about the choice available in 
OS market. There are more than 100 and 1000 professionals available to support 
OSS, they just need the platform to show them. Let us generate the opportunity 
to make things live and working. I can take care of more that 1000 business 
houses in Amritsar.

Thanx and regards for your concern

Sanjay Gupta

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Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:14:39 
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Subject: Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:36 AM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote:

 added you to the list

 I always fins it difficulty to purchase Linux friendly PC/Laptop (or

s/fins/find/

 any other hardware). Many vendor refuses to listen me. Those who are
 nice and known to me, are favouring me by just letting me to try
 before purchase, but no support.

 Here is an opportunity to change that mindset.

 Our IT Industry is handicapped.
 How?

By offering only MS Window solution only. I would like to see choice
to customers. We need vendor, you show their customers machines with
Linux, Mac, MS Windows.

Now a day, to find a vendor who sell, support and promote Linux is
difficult to find.

In Punjab Chandigarh, there is great opportunity, for the ultimate
benefit of customers.

 Should we consider this boycott, as Dandi march?

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_March

 heeh not at all lets not talk anything negative

No thing negative. Just past experience. Many times, such things
happened, this time it may be on larger scale than earlier.

 or try to be on a
 collision course with any one , stick to the plan and execute lets say
 for  next six months lets see how it all pan's out .

+1

-- 
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-13 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman

On 10/13/2012 08:38 PM, sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Sir (Prof. (Dr.) H.S.Rai)

You are in a position to aware the new generation about the choice available in 
OS market. There are more than 100 and 1000 professionals available to support 
OSS, they just need the platform to show them. Let us generate the opportunity 
to make things live and working. I can take care of more that 1000 business 
houses in Amritsar.


+1

#INFO: Why you must/should use #Linux and, or F/LOSS (Free/Libre Open 
Source Software)? http://bitly.com/IhE767


Dr. H. S. Rai, Please spread the word if agree with reasons I have 
pointed out in above said article.


Thank you,
Warm Regards,

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(http://werc.homelinux.net/contact/)


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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-13 Thread Gora Mohanty
On 13 October 2012 08:33, H.S.Rai hardeep@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:15 AM,  sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  This has been started (The News). We welcome all of you to be the part
  of this movement. Let's start next monday onwards trainings/seminars in
  each city of punjab and chandigarh even beyond this. Make a page
  dedicated to OSS with content links, downloads, OEM lists support
  Linux etc. My team is waiting.

 What will happen, if M$ takes back FIR, and invites some members to
 USA to visit their office ;-)

 If that will not happen, they I am with you.

 I always fins it difficulty to purchase Linux friendly PC/Laptop (or
 any other hardware). Many vendor refuses to listen me. Those who are
 nice and known to me, are favouring me by just letting me to try
 before purchase, but no support.

 Our IT Industry is handicapped.

[...]

Dear Hardeep-ji,

Your points are well taken, and I indeed sympathise
with your frustration. It can often seem that all various
parties in India presenting a facade of support for
FOSS are really interested in is promoting their own
narrow agenda. Genuine supporters of FOSS seem
to get marginalised in this process.

Nevertheless, unless we have good reasons to believe
otherwise, we should at least try to take on each potential
new project at its face value. Given that we have the
at least some volunteers, we should extend what support
we can to Sanjay-ji.

Balwinder, it would be good if you formally assumed lead
of this project, and drive it from here on out.

Regards,
Gora
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-13 Thread sanjaygupta . amritsar
A great thanx to all the concerned. For your information we have already 
started and three sessions/seminar is conducted successfully. 4th is on Monday. 
We will be covering 8 cities of Punjab in this month with the support of our 
friends. I will be in touch with all of you for further support.
Thanx again
Regards
Sanjay Gupta
ACTA, Amritsar
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On 13 October 2012 08:33, H.S.Rai hardeep@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:15 AM,  sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  This has been started (The News). We welcome all of you to be the part
  of this movement. Let's start next monday onwards trainings/seminars in
  each city of punjab and chandigarh even beyond this. Make a page
  dedicated to OSS with content links, downloads, OEM lists support
  Linux etc. My team is waiting.

 What will happen, if M$ takes back FIR, and invites some members to
 USA to visit their office ;-)

 If that will not happen, they I am with you.

 I always fins it difficulty to purchase Linux friendly PC/Laptop (or
 any other hardware). Many vendor refuses to listen me. Those who are
 nice and known to me, are favouring me by just letting me to try
 before purchase, but no support.

 Our IT Industry is handicapped.

[...]

Dear Hardeep-ji,

Your points are well taken, and I indeed sympathise
with your frustration. It can often seem that all various
parties in India presenting a facade of support for
FOSS are really interested in is promoting their own
narrow agenda. Genuine supporters of FOSS seem
to get marginalised in this process.

Nevertheless, unless we have good reasons to believe
otherwise, we should at least try to take on each potential
new project at its face value. Given that we have the
at least some volunteers, we should extend what support
we can to Sanjay-ji.

Balwinder, it would be good if you formally assumed lead
of this project, and drive it from here on out.

Regards,
Gora
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-13 Thread H.S.Rai
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:40 AM,  sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com wrote:
 A great thanx to all the concerned. For your information we have already
 started and three sessions/seminar is conducted successfully.
 4th is on Monday. We will be covering 8 cities of Punjab in this month
 with the support of our friends. I will be in touch with all of you for
 further support.

That's wonderful!!!

Can you keep updating about these events at:

http://acta-amritsar.org/category/events/

or

http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/ILUGD/ActaTrainings

Then might be in news papers, which with help in spreading awareness
in public, and might your each workshop / training session inaugurated
by a person, who can helpful in popularising Linux and get his / her
computing shifted to Linux.

-- 
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-13 Thread satyaakam goswami
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:40 AM,  sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com wrote:
 A great thanx to all the concerned. For your information we have already 
 started and three sessions/seminar is conducted successfully. 4th is on 
 Monday. We will be covering 8 cities of Punjab in this month with the 
 support of our friends. I will be in touch with all of you for further 
 support.

What do you cover and who all are the audience ? can we have some
insights into it , my initial assumption was we were trying to get the
technical support person on the ground gain skills in order to support
Gnu/Linux based systems .

-Satya
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-12 Thread satyaakam goswami
 We have a small users group for Chandigarh, but with quite a low traffic;
 see http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/linux_chandigarh/

if this news is true and happening
http://www.dqweek.com/dq-week/news/23096/microsoft-cancels-windows-launch-chandigarh
then we would be needing all hands on the deck for the state wide
trainings .

so we have some folks from Chandigarh , Ludhiana some people can join
, who is there in Amritsar ?  Boss team how many people and what
resources can be counted on  ?

-Satya

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-12 Thread sanjaygupta . amritsar
Dear Sirs

This has been started (The News). We welcome all of you to be the part of this 
movement. Let's start next monday onwards trainings/seminars in each city of 
punjab and chandigarh even beyond this. Make a page dedicated to OSS with 
content links, downloads, OEM lists support Linux etc. My team is waiting.
Regards
Sanjay Gupta
Gen.Secretary, ACTA, Amritsar
M-9814084901
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 We have a small users group for Chandigarh, but with quite a low traffic;
 see http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/linux_chandigarh/

if this news is true and happening
http://www.dqweek.com/dq-week/news/23096/microsoft-cancels-windows-launch-chandigarh
then we would be needing all hands on the deck for the state wide
trainings .

so we have some folks from Chandigarh , Ludhiana some people can join
, who is there in Amritsar ?  Boss team how many people and what
resources can be counted on  ?

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-12 Thread satyaakam goswami
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:15 AM,  sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Sirs

 This has been started (The News). We welcome all of you to be the part of 
 this movement. Let's start next monday onwards trainings/seminars in each 
 city of punjab and chandigarh even beyond this. Make a page dedicated to OSS 
 with content links, downloads, OEM lists support Linux etc. My team is 
 waiting.

I have created a page for this project
http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/ILUGD/ActaTrainings
anyone interested can edit the page accordingly.

-Satya
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-12 Thread H.S.Rai
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:15 AM,  sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com wrote:

 This has been started (The News). We welcome all of you to be the part
 of this movement. Let's start next monday onwards trainings/seminars in
 each city of punjab and chandigarh even beyond this. Make a page
 dedicated to OSS with content links, downloads, OEM lists support
 Linux etc. My team is waiting.

What will happen, if M$ takes back FIR, and invites some members to
USA to visit their office ;-)

If that will not happen, they I am with you.

I always fins it difficulty to purchase Linux friendly PC/Laptop (or
any other hardware). Many vendor refuses to listen me. Those who are
nice and known to me, are favouring me by just letting me to try
before purchase, but no support.

Our IT Industry is handicapped.

Should we consider this boycott, as Dandi march?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_March

-- 
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-12 Thread satyaakam goswami
 What will happen, if M$ takes back FIR, and invites some members to
 USA to visit their office ;-)

 If that will not happen, they I am with you.

added you to the list

 I always fins it difficulty to purchase Linux friendly PC/Laptop (or
 any other hardware). Many vendor refuses to listen me. Those who are
 nice and known to me, are favouring me by just letting me to try
 before purchase, but no support.

Here is an opportunity to change that mindset.

 Our IT Industry is handicapped.
How?

 Should we consider this boycott, as Dandi march?

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_March

heeh not at all lets not talk anything negative or try to be on a
collision course with any one , stick to the plan and execute lets say
for  next six months lets see how it all pan's out .

-Satya
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-11 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman

On 10/11/2012 05:30 PM, navneet sharma wrote:
I have  not posted my willingness regarding free training in this 
mailing list just to make FUN.


I did not intend that, I otherwise appreciate your sentiments.

If anybody in this mailing list have potential users/candidates to get 
some practical knowledge  on linux I am always available and I am 
doing so from last 10 years regardless to show my worry how will I 
manage my bills. Linux is free to use, Free to modify and free to 
distribute..I have made it free to LEARN also.


We can count how many people can do it these days. While India had a 
well known tradition -- not sell education.



I am always to work in my domain with the support of you people..


Great, kindly post your replies to the list; no private messages please.


Let us make our nation PIRACY FREE..!


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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-06 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 10/06/2012 10:10 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote:
 On 6 October 2012 06:09, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com
 mailto:bdhee...@gmail.com wrote:
 [...]

 I reside at Chandigarh and work from home as a freelance
 consultant; visiting New Delhi (NCR), Amritsar and rest of the
 major cities of Punjab and Haryana, parts of Himachal, Utrakhand
 and even Jammu is possible.


 OK, then maybe it is best if you try to work something out with
 Sanjay. Please keep us informed, and maybe there are others
 that can help out.
 �

 Sure, I shall/can soon create a page related to free training
 sessions for the local trainers, hardware assemblers, integrators
 and, or vendors on deployment (installation, administration, tips
 and tricks) and road-shows for the general public on the use and
 benefits of Linux/Unix and Free/Libre Open Source Software.


 Great.
 �


 How about charging a reasonable registration fee from the
 attendees to cover up the expenses or get these events sponsored
 by local associations?


 We, as in ILUG-Delhi, have not charged for attendance in the past,
 but do ask local associations to cover any costs incurred for travel,
 food, and lodging. Personally, I see no reason why we cannot
 charge attendees.

 One possible model might be to have a broad training session
 that is free of cost, with incidental expenses covered by a local
 association. Local associations, and attendees, can then discuss
 with the trainers on an individual basis regarding more intensive,
 focused sessions.

Yes, we shall try our best to make these events as much free as we can.
But we definitely need pay the bills as almost all Free/Libre Open
Source Software projects do.



 Sanjay Gupta, Please comment.

 �
 In this specific case, Sanjay has already said that he is ready
 to do this on a commercial basis. You, and anyone else
 willing, can take this up further with him.

I still invite others volunteers and, or freelancers; together we shall
make it movement.

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-05 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 10/05/2012 07:49 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote:
 On 5 October 2012 06:20, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com
 mailto:bdhee...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/05/2012 01:20 AM, sanjay gupta wrote:
  I will go to any extent to acheive my goals.
  There is no problem in coming to Delhi for these sessions if I get
  offered by someone.
  I will take care of local trainings later on.
  I have to cover the complete state of Punjab. I am in touch of
 all the
  association of this state.

 Please contact me to plan the training sessions and even road-shows; I
 shall/can spare a few weekends (Saturdays and Sundays only).

 [...]

 Where are you based, and are you planning to do this in
 Amritsar, or in Delhi? If it is the latter, I can also help out.

I reside at Chandigarh and work from home as a freelance consultant;
visiting New Delhi (NCR), Amritsar and rest of the major cities of
Punjab and Haryana, parts of Himachal, Utrakhand and even Jammu is possible.

 It might be best if we could plan an agenda for such trainings,
 and announce them so as to get more attendees. Would it
 be possible for you to take the initiative on this by creating a
 page on http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/ ?

Sure, I shall/can soon create a page related to free training sessions
for the local trainers, hardware assemblers, integrators and, or vendors
on deployment (installation, administration, tips and tricks) and
road-shows for the general public on the use and benefits of Linux/Unix
and Free/Libre Open Source Software.

How about charging a reasonable registration fee from the attendees to
cover up the expenses or get these events sponsored by local associations?

Sanjay Gupta, Please comment.

Best wishes,

-- 
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(http://werc.homelinux.net/contact/)

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-05 Thread Gora Mohanty
On 6 October 2012 06:09, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]

  I reside at Chandigarh and work from home as a freelance consultant;
 visiting New Delhi (NCR), Amritsar and rest of the major cities of Punjab
 and Haryana, parts of Himachal, Utrakhand and even Jammu is possible.


OK, then maybe it is best if you try to work something out with
Sanjay. Please keep us informed, and maybe there are others
that can help out.


 Sure, I shall/can soon create a page related to free training sessions for
 the local trainers, hardware assemblers, integrators and, or vendors on
 deployment (installation, administration, tips and tricks) and road-shows
 for the general public on the use and benefits of Linux/Unix and Free/Libre
 Open Source Software.


Great.



 How about charging a reasonable registration fee from the attendees to
 cover up the expenses or get these events sponsored by local associations?


We, as in ILUG-Delhi, have not charged for attendance in the past,
but do ask local associations to cover any costs incurred for travel,
food, and lodging. Personally, I see no reason why we cannot
charge attendees.

One possible model might be to have a broad training session
that is free of cost, with incidental expenses covered by a local
association. Local associations, and attendees, can then discuss
with the trainers on an individual basis regarding more intensive,
focused sessions.


 Sanjay Gupta, Please comment.


In this specific case, Sanjay has already said that he is ready
to do this on a commercial basis. You, and anyone else
willing, can take this up further with him.

Regards,
Gora
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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-05 Thread satyaakam goswami
 OK, then maybe it is best if you try to work something out with
 Sanjay. Please keep us informed, and maybe there are others
 that can help out.
I will be in Ludhiana speaking coming on 11-12th for this event
http://www.twenty19.com/opportunities/organiser/guru-nanak-dev-engineering-college-ludhiana/ignite-12
hope to catch up with people around there then.

  Sure, I shall/can soon create a page related to free training sessions for
 the local trainers, hardware assemblers, integrators and, or vendors on
 deployment (installation, administration, tips and tricks) and road-shows
 for the general public on the use and benefits of Linux/Unix and Free/Libre
 Open Source Software.

I too am interested will chime in .


 Great.

 How about charging a reasonable registration fee from the attendees to
 cover up the expenses or get these events sponsored by local associations?


 We, as in ILUG-Delhi, have not charged for attendance in the past,
 but do ask local associations to cover any costs incurred for travel,
 food, and lodging. Personally, I see no reason why we cannot
 charge attendees.
+1 , ILUG-Delhi as a society why not,  we can build some corpus amount
with the extras and spend it on more events.

 One possible model might be to have a broad training session
 that is free of cost, with incidental expenses covered by a local
 association. Local associations, and attendees, can then discuss
 with the trainers on an individual basis regarding more intensive,
 focused sessions.

This is one model which has not worked in the past as we know there is
no follow up with any of the colleges and institutions , may be as an
active society these kinds of items can be take up proactively ,
something like a quarterly news letter to all the colleges and
associations in and around NCR.

-Satya

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-05 Thread Gora Mohanty
On 6 October 2012 10:22, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote:


  How about charging a reasonable registration fee from the attendees to
  cover up the expenses or get these events sponsored by local
 associations?
 
 
  We, as in ILUG-Delhi, have not charged for attendance in the past,
  but do ask local associations to cover any costs incurred for travel,
  food, and lodging. Personally, I see no reason why we cannot
  charge attendees.
 +1 , ILUG-Delhi as a society why not,  we can build some corpus amount
 with the extras and spend it on more events.


We had discussions on this in the past, and I remember
now why we had decided not to do this. While it would
defray expenses, bring money into the ILUG-Delhi kitty,
and maybe allow us to pay trainers, the main objection
to this was that the LUG should not be setting itself up
in commercial competition to local startups providing
Linux support. Besides, there are significant managerial
headaches for such a setup.



  One possible model might be to have a broad training session
  that is free of cost, with incidental expenses covered by a local
  association. Local associations, and attendees, can then discuss
  with the trainers on an individual basis regarding more intensive,
  focused sessions.

 This is one model which has not worked in the past as we know there is
 no follow up with any of the colleges and institutions , may be as an
 active society these kinds of items can be take up proactively ,
 something like a quarterly news letter to all the colleges and
 associations in and around NCR.


Yeah, in the case of no follow up, the free of cost session,
where expenses are covered but time is volunteered, will
be the only one.

Regards,
Gora
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[ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-04 Thread sanjay gupta
Dear Sir

I am a solution provider and system integrator at Amritsar.
I want a training session for my Association member on Linux/Linux Variant.
How to install/manage this OS on Laptops/Desktops.
This will be great support to our community, if possible do reply me.

Best Regards
Sanjay Gupta
Gen.Secretary, ACTA Amritsar

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-04 Thread sanjay gupta
Thanx again dear,

I will go to any extent to acheive my goals.
There is no problem in coming to Delhi for these sessions if I get
offered by someone.
I will take care of local trainings later on.
I have to cover the complete state of Punjab. I am in touch of all the
association of this state.

Regards
Sanjay Gupta

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Gora Mohanty g...@mimirtech.com wrote:
 On 4 October 2012 23:52, sanjay gupta sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear sir

 Extremely Thanks for the reply.
 I used to silently watch your communication as i am not familiar with
 the topic you discuss yet i have started my career way back to 1991 as
 a software developer. At present I am gen.secretary to ACTA (Amritsar
 Computer Traders Association) having more than 100 members formed for
 the welfare of its members and society primarly computer hardware
 traders. As most of the pc users are used to Microsoft, some want to
 switch to other but due to lack of
 support/training/exposure/availibility/suspicion could not started
 with other OS. I want to change the scenario here with the live
 session on Linux and this is possible only with the professional like
 you friends. If it is a commercial our association will bear the cost.
 If someone goes for Microsoft he has to pay nearly 2/- for single
 pc but he did not need to pay this much to do the work on internet,
 but due to non familiarity with other OS he is bound to transfer this
 much of foreign currency to Microsoft headquarters.
 I want you people support to achieve my goals.


 This sounds good, but did you mean to send it just to me,
 or to the mailing list at large (it has been sent just to me).
 Unfortunately, I am not in a position to offer Linux support
 in Amritsar, beyond maybe a one-off visit as part of a
 ILUG-Delhi initiative. So, please post this to the list, and
 maybe you will find someone willing to help out in Amritsar.

 I think that you will find two kinds of viewpoints in this regard:
 * There might be people willing to do this on a voluntary basis,
but then they will probably want a buy-in to FOSS ideals
from the side of your association, and that is something that
you will need to convince them about.
 * On a commercial basis, you should be able to find some
startup company, or some bright kids willing to work with your
association on this.

 Regards,
 Gora

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-04 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 10/05/2012 01:20 AM, sanjay gupta wrote:
 I will go to any extent to acheive my goals.
 There is no problem in coming to Delhi for these sessions if I get
 offered by someone.
 I will take care of local trainings later on.
 I have to cover the complete state of Punjab. I am in touch of all the
 association of this state.

Please contact me to plan the training sessions and even road-shows; I
shall/can spare a few weekends (Saturdays and Sundays only).

 On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Gora Mohanty g...@mimirtech.com wrote:
 On 4 October 2012 23:52, sanjay gupta sanjaygupta.amrit...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Extremely Thanks for the reply.
 I used to silently watch your communication as i am not familiar with
 the topic you discuss yet i have started my career way back to 1991 as
 a software developer. At present I am gen.secretary to ACTA (Amritsar
 Computer Traders Association) having more than 100 members formed for
 the welfare of its members and society primarly computer hardware
 traders. As most of the pc users are used to Microsoft, some want to
 switch to other but due to lack of
 support/training/exposure/availibility/suspicion could not started
 with other OS. I want to change the scenario here with the live
 session on Linux and this is possible only with the professional like
 you friends. If it is a commercial our association will bear the cost.
 If someone goes for Microsoft he has to pay nearly 2/- for single
 pc but he did not need to pay this much to do the work on internet,
 but due to non familiarity with other OS he is bound to transfer this
 much of foreign currency to Microsoft headquarters.
 I want you people support to achieve my goals.

 This sounds good, but did you mean to send it just to me,
 or to the mailing list at large (it has been sent just to me).
 Unfortunately, I am not in a position to offer Linux support
 in Amritsar, beyond maybe a one-off visit as part of a
 ILUG-Delhi initiative. So, please post this to the list, and
 maybe you will find someone willing to help out in Amritsar.

 I think that you will find two kinds of viewpoints in this regard:
 * There might be people willing to do this on a voluntary basis,
but then they will probably want a buy-in to FOSS ideals
from the side of your association, and that is something that
you will need to convince them about.
 * On a commercial basis, you should be able to find some
startup company, or some bright kids willing to work with your
association on this.

 Regards,
 Gora

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Re: [ilugd] Some Trainings/Support In Open OS/Softwares

2012-10-04 Thread Gora Mohanty
On 5 October 2012 06:20, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/05/2012 01:20 AM, sanjay gupta wrote:
  I will go to any extent to acheive my goals.
  There is no problem in coming to Delhi for these sessions if I get
  offered by someone.
  I will take care of local trainings later on.
  I have to cover the complete state of Punjab. I am in touch of all the
  association of this state.

 Please contact me to plan the training sessions and even road-shows; I
 shall/can spare a few weekends (Saturdays and Sundays only).

[...]

Where are you based, and are you planning to do this in
Amritsar, or in Delhi? If it is the latter, I can also help out.

It might be best if we could plan an agenda for such trainings,
and announce them so as to get more attendees. Would it
be possible for you to take the initiative on this by creating a
page on http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/ ?

Regards,
Gora
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