Linux-Advocacy Digest #352
Linux-Advocacy Digest #352, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 05:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (green) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (green) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Stuart Fox) Re: The Win/userbase! (Stuart Fox) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Thaddius Maximus) Re: More microsoft innovation (Sandman) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (.) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Stuart Fox) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Matthew Gardiner) From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:10:14 +1200 Jon Johansan wrote: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... for some sustainted advertising dollars) That's rich. Oh, that's precious. A linvocate trying to talk about going-out-of-business and trying to make some dollars? given the performance of EVERY single linux related company you can think of - I find that laughable. Like IBM and Oracle? What precentage of IBM/Oracle resources is directed at Linux? Then ask; what percentage of income do they derive in return for these resource expenditures... HP, $100million last year, in linux based servers sold. They hope to get it up to $150-$200million by the end of this year. Can you document this in any way? cnet interview a month or so ago, interviewing a HP manager, it was in regards to the itanium chip, Linux and whether it (Linux) is a threat to HP-UX and where it fits into the HP product line up. Matthew gardiner -- From: green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:05:38 +1000 GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... LShaping wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LShaping wrote: green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:28:22 GMT, LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message My computer's Basic Input/Output Service settings and Windows settings are correct, as always. Microsoft has disabled the power switch in certain circumstances in an effort to cope with Windows technical problems. When I want to turn off my computer, I would like to use my computer's power switch to do so. That's not Windows fault, it's to do with the ACPI BIOS I believe. And what entity dictated that standard? Nevermind. Highly likely that was Microsoft's doing, but it does not matter. Windows could unconditionally send a shut down signal to the mainboard. Instead, Windows polls itself to see if shutting down is OK. I have a macroer running which has something to do with it. The same thing happens when I do Start - Shut Down. Probably has something to do with the macroer's hooks. But the system is controlled by the operating system. Therefore, it is Microsoft's fault. My computer is supposed to shut down when I tell it to. What would you think if you hit the power switch on your TV and for some internal reason, it failed to turn itself off? This is another fine example of blunderware from a monopoly OS maker whose only concern is increasing profits and keeping appearances. LShaping So employ the power switch. It's the rocker on the back next to the power inlet. With an ATX board and a power switch that goes to the motherboard, you are at the mercy of the BIOS, and the OS. Must have an IBM PC-XT, from over ten years ago. Modern personal computers have only one power switch and typically do not have a rocker switch on the back next to the power inlet. Not in the United States. My IBM has a nice red rocker switch on the back. Provide a citation, a link to specifications of the power supply, since your opinion is meaningless. Microsoft slapped IBM so hard for wanting to include Smart Suite with IBM desktop PCs, IBM has stopped making PCs. Enlight and Antec power supplies have no such switch because, of course, before ATX mainboards came along the power switch on the front was wired directly to the power supply. Now, think for a minute. You cannot put two hardware switches together without extra circuitry. Besides costing the maker more, having two hardware switches wired to the same
Linux-Advocacy Digest #353
Linux-Advocacy Digest #353, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 07:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: More microsoft innovation (Sandman) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: ZD Net -Win user comments. (Piers Bray) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (JamesW) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (You've got MALE.. sex organs!) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (JS \\ PL) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (mike@ihdudy) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Richard Thrippleton) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Richard Thrippleton) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Richard Thrippleton) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Edward Rosten) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) From: Sandman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:09:55 +0200 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of it, since none of your objections are facts. They're all just paranoia. Is that supposed to be an answer? The facts are very, very simple. A web page author creates a page the way they want it. Smart tags add things the author never intended. I personally believe in intellectual property. This is a massive violation. Actually, I came to think about something... What if I have a anti-IBM site for example. A site where I claim IBM is evil and IBM is this and that. How inappropriate if every IBM is linked to the site, stock quotes and company info and the company homepage, something I would -never- want to promote on my anti site. H. I can see the email going to the webmaster from an unsavvy IE user: Thank you for the link to IBM stock quotes, it helped me write my report - GAAAH! :-D -- Sandman[.net] -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:01:44 +0200 Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Improved networking. When copying files from CDROM to the hard disk, I don't want my download speed to come to a crashing hault. That doesn't have much to do with networking, I guess. It's to do with the kernel not handling I/O well enough. It's not supposed to affect the download speed, unless the TCP/IP part of the kernel has to wait for CPU cycles. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:08:19 +0200 green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gk9qc$jmq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... the what if is a virus gets in to the backup copies of the files and changes them. how do you restore? From the CD. ok I don't really care because I'm sure theres a easy way :) You've to be an administrator to meddle with those dlls, and Windows would consider those files tainted (ie, wouldn't use them) if they don't have digital signature. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:13:48 +0200 GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take it tho that you responded to this ng currently with a Mac? Yes. I like MT-NW 3.1! Actually, I'm running it under Classic on OS X. So if you set the default to OFF will the above page still work the same? YES It's just a display option. If not do users of other systems be SOL?? NO! It's a local display option only. No one else is affected. It doesn't change anything. Dan Well, I can't be a judge yet, but I have read the thread on smart-tags. But
Linux-Advocacy Digest #354
Linux-Advocacy Digest #354, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 08:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:52:50 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:32:31 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:42:42 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (JS \\ PL [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... But the issue here is the upcoming XP. Could one do this on XP as well? Who cares? Most people won't be able to afford it. If they're as broke as drsquare Or they don't have £500+ lying around to spend on something for no real gain. You can't afford 100$ ? I think it would be somewhat more than that. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:52:51 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:32:00 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare wrote: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:46:01 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, The linux version just installed and worked, what's more, it contained dependency info built it, in case there was a problem, so that it could be easily sorted, unlike the mess that was windows. Just installed? You mean you didn't have to worry about dependencies, conflicts, libraries etc? You must be using a very strange distribution. debian. Surprise surprise, that's what I'm using. I take it you've never had to install both xlibs and xlibg6. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:52:52 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:37:25 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare wrote: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:57:28 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, I'll leave the rest to you. I imagine you'll fail at the next keystroke, but it'll be intersting to read the excuse. I wil fail, especially as I don't even know any of the technical details of my modem. You don't need to. Just look in your motherboard book and it'll tell you all you need to know. Books are great. It's not an onboard modem, so there is nothing about it in the motherboard book, and I don't have a book for the modem. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:52:53 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:56:50 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Stuart Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's very convenient. Much more convenient than loaded up a GUI, esp. for simple things like file manipulation or running services. Lots of people use Excel for creating and manipulating text lists, are you suggesting that because gawk, sed grep are more powerful tools for processing text lists we should remove Excel and give them those tools instead. When have I ever suggested that? It's a logical conclusion to reach from your previous statements Then you must have a very strange definition of logic. -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:46:19 GMT In article 9gkgt2$91e$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I can't be a judge yet, but I have read the thread on smart-tags. But I know nothing about the smart tags. If I have a vax using netscape 3.0 will I still be able to view all of the contents of a web page with smart-tags on it?? Just making sure. Yes, NS will ignore all tags that it doesn't understand. At least it should ignore them. The SmartTags aren't necessarily in the web pages. What some of us here object to is the SmartTags that are stored in the browser's own files. They're put there by Microsoft, and presumably could be updated over the Internet. These tags are added to web pages by the browser itself, without the knowledge or consent of the web page author. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at
Linux-Advocacy Digest #356
Linux-Advocacy Digest #356, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 09:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Stephen Cornell) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Matthew Gardiner) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Richard Thrippleton) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: The Win/userbase! (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus) Re: MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain! (Nick Condon) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus) From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:11:10 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sandman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of it, since none of your objections are facts. They're all just paranoia. Is that supposed to be an answer? The facts are very, very simple. A web page author creates a page the way they want it. Smart tags add things the author never intended. I personally believe in intellectual property. This is a massive violation. Actually, I came to think about something... What if I have a anti-IBM site for example. A site where I claim IBM is evil and IBM is this and that. How inappropriate if every IBM is linked to the site, stock quotes and company info and the company homepage, something I would -never- want to promote on my anti site. H. I can see the email going to the webmaster from an unsavvy IE user: Thank you for the link to IBM stock quotes, it helped me write my report - GAAAH! :-D That's EXACTLY the kind of thing I consider evil about Smart tags. Not only do they deface the web site, it could entirely change the overall meaning. -- From: Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: 18 Jun 2001 13:25:40 +0100 Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... No, that would be LINEARLY, you idiot. Ed Cogburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pay attention idiot, having sex with multiple partners is the same as having sex with everyone *your* partners have had sex with, and everyone whose had sex with your partners' partners' partners. That is not close to linear, its exponential. [hope I got those attributions right] I don't usually agree with Kulkis, but on this one he's right. If *you* double the number of partners *you* have, you double your exposure to the disease (and your *probability* of contracting disease less than doubles). The exponential growth in exposure to infection occurs if *everyone* increases the number of partners they have. Stephen. -- Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644 University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ -- From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 00:26:45 +1200 mike@ihdudy wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew says... Telephones and cars are task dedicated devices, so is the PC. people use the PC to do a task. send email. write a letter. call someone. draw a picture. etc..., all are tasks. The are different tasks done in the same device. For all this to happen there needs to be an OS to manage resources etc etc. However well the OS manages these resources will dictate whether the over all user experience is enjoyable. Ease of use has nothing to do with OS's. People get pissed off when they expect something to work, like in the book or manual, and find it doesn't because of some quirk or bug. Thats what gets people pissed off, thats why people find computers complicated, because they spend half their time reading up on the latest work-arounds to get simple tasks accomplised. Also, have you ever used UNIX? or Linux? ever done anything outside the whining you are displaying? have you ever seen a UNIX desktop? Years ago, when there were large UNIX servers, people would log onto these servers via dumb terminals, running either CDE or opendesktop as their GUI, they didn't need to worry about booting up, or whether there video card it set correctly, whether the printer was detected. Unfortunately, Bill Gates and all his wisdom threw the idea out the door. Now, after 10 years of Bill Gates denouncing centralised
Linux-Advocacy Digest #357
Linux-Advocacy Digest #357, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 10:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Is Linux for me? (Richard Thrippleton) Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (JamesW) From: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:15:03 +0100 Chad Myers wrote: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Edward Rosten wrote: The term representative democracy was devised by the democratic party and the tabloid press. Repeat an error often enough and long enough and people will start to believe in the big lie. BS. It is a description of a system where a buncha of representatives are elected (democratically) to run the country. Give it a rest Ed. The fact that the people of the US choose representatives is not indicative of a representative democracy. For the US to be a representative democracy the elected representatives would have to consult the people on each and every matter and cast their vote accordingly. This is clearly NOT the case in the US. That's not a representative democracy, that is a democracy, period. In a representative democracy sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens through represenatives. This is clearly NOT the case in the US. No, the representatives are elected democratically. They the npass laws without further referendum. Yes, in both systems there are representatives elected by the people, but in the US sovereign power does not reside in, nor is it exercised by the whole body of free citizens. The US is clearly NOT a representative democracy. We have representatives but this does not make the US a representative democracy. The confusion is that democracy==representative democracy which is not true. The only confusion lies in your incorrect understanding of the US form of government. We have no democracy in the US, we are a Republic! You have a representative democarcy. You seem to misunderstand what a representative democarcy is. Yopu are comfusing it with a true democracy. Under the *correct* definition, the US is definitely a representative democarcy. Ed, just let your epiphany moment happen without fighting it. You'll be OK. What is your major malfunction? I understand our (USA) form of government. What is your problem -- stuck on media buzzwords? http://www.indixie.com/indixie/Articles/Republic.htm Look here: http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/ -- From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:24:53 -0500 Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Rotten168 wrote: Thaddius Maximus wrote: Edward Rosten wrote: *sigh* Obviously for you the devil is in the details. Please read the following over and over and over until it sinks in. *huff* http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2000/tst121200.htm Our elected representatives make decisions for the people based on what they believe is in our best interest (republic), they do not tally up our opinion on each matter and then decide accordingly (democracy). Yes: I didn't say it was a democracy... As for your statement that we democratically elect the representatives, I have no idea what that means. We do elect representatives. ...it is a *representative* democracy. You vote for representatives. This part is a
Linux-Advocacy Digest #358
Linux-Advocacy Digest #358, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 11:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance(Thaddius Maximus) Re: More microsoft innovation (Sandman) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) why open source is no threat to microsoft LOL (Steve Chaney) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) More on MS's war of words (Linux Man) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Bracy) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) From: Seán Ó Donnchadha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:56:05 -0400 drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Unix scenario is exactly the same, except that it wastes disk space on no-longer-used minor library revisions. It doesn't matter how many versions of libfoo.so.1.* are on the disk, because the libfoo.so.1 symbolic link can only point at one of them. Your point? My point is that Unix/Linux is just as susceptible to shared library conflicts as Windows. No offense Craig, but you really don't understand the problem, so I suggest you drop the attitude. It seems like you're the one who doesn't understand the problem. Perhaps you'd like to describe Unix's solution then? Be my guest. I'll be verry happy to show you that you don't know what you're talking about, and haven't even spent a second thinking about it, preferring instead to write up a stupid knee-jerk response. -- From: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:51:19 +0100 Chad Myers wrote: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Edward Rosten wrote: The term representative democracy was devised by the democratic party and the tabloid press. Repeat an error often enough and long enough and people will start to believe in the big lie. BS. It is a description of a system where a buncha of representatives are elected (democratically) to run the country. Give it a rest Ed. The fact that the people of the US choose representatives is not indicative of a representative democracy. For the US to be a representative democracy the elected representatives would have to consult the people on each and every matter and cast their vote accordingly. This is clearly NOT the case in the US. That's not a representative democracy, that is a democracy, period. In a representative democracy sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens through represenatives. This is clearly NOT the case in the US. No, the representatives are elected democratically. They the npass laws without further referendum. Yes, in both systems there are representatives elected by the people, but in the US sovereign power does not reside in, nor is it exercised by the whole body of free citizens. The US is clearly NOT a representative democracy. We have representatives but this does not make the US a representative democracy. The confusion is that democracy==representative democracy which is not true. The only confusion lies in your incorrect understanding of the US form of government. We have no democracy in the US, we are a Republic! You have a representative democarcy. You seem to misunderstand what a representative democarcy is. Yopu are comfusing it with a true democracy. Under the *correct* definition, the US is definitely a representative democarcy. -Ed Please enlighten yourself to the form of US government and representation. http://www.indixie.com/indixie/Articles/Republic.htm Thank you, but I think I'll listen to Thomas Jefferson, not some Civil War The South Will Rise Again wannabees. -c Naw, you see only what you want to see. Thomas Jefferson help establish a Republican form of government. You should seriously give this a full read: http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm -- From: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re:
Linux-Advocacy Digest #359
Linux-Advocacy Digest #359, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 11:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (JS \\ PL) Re: More on MS's war of words (pip) Re: More microsoft innovation (Daniel Johnson) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:05:33 GMT Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article t9bX6.85761$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I've made it clear from the start of this discussion that the reasons I don't like SmartTags are different from I don't like Microsoft. No, I really don't think you have, even if you meant to. Then I shall repeat what I've said but you have ignored: I don't like SmartTags because they allow some central authority to add new hyperlinks to people's web pages. Did I not comment on this? They allow many 'authorities' to do so, though how any is 'central' I don't see. (At least, they do if you count wavey underlines as hyperlinks, which many here seem to do. I'm downplaying them in order to bring up some more important issues, but I do not think calling them 'hyperlinks' is entirely unreasonable.) You have come of as if you are looking for *any* reason to condemn this feature, no matter how farfeched or ungrounded in facts. The facts keep changing, and no one who knows the facts has coe forth with a comprehensive and authoritative description of what SmartTags are and how they work. Well, we aren't Microsoft; you have been pointed to MS's SDK, which is MS's authoritative and comprehensive description, if that is what you want. SmartTags allow some central authority to make additions to my web pages. They allow lots of authorities to do that, but I don't see how any are 'central'. The individual users aren't the ones I'm worried about. The one that creates the SmartTags that ship with the browser (and will presumably be updated fo the Web) are. IMHO, Microsoft can't make any real impact if only *their* preinstalled SmartTags are ever used. But if SmartTags because an new avenue of content distribution, that would be very different. That would greatly increase Microsoft's influence. [snip] That sounds very much like your reasons for hating SmartTags and your reasons for hating Microsoft, might just be related. Sure, they can be related. And therefore, not quite as separate as you had lead us to believe? Eg, perhaps you would not have objected to this technology had it appeared in Netscape first, even with the wavely underlines. Otherwise, why be so upset that it uses Microsoft technology in particular? It's not the fact of Microsoft ... it's the fact that while it's an option now, it is likely to become a default later on. I see no reason to believe this. I expect that what will really happen is that you will be able to download new SmartTags from the web, and if you do this SmartTags will turn on automatically. Though I don't see any reason to care about whether its on or off by default, anyway. [snip] The problem is that Microsoft users with SmartTags turned on will see things added to my web site which I did not put there, which some central authority over hwich I have no control put there. That's not important. This is important. It is precisely the big deal I was talking about in the previous paragraph. It's not a big deal. It's just a little bit of user interface for the browser. There are more significant issues here. Those wavey underlines are not essential to what SmartTags does. This remains true even if you call them hyperlinks, by the way. [snip] What is important is not the squiggles but who put them there. And what is important is in particular that it is not just Microsoft! This thing is a platform- anyone can build on it. The threat is not that it will deface web pages but that it will replace some of them. Don't use the bit about blue underlines as an argument against me; I've never particularly talked about it. I have. It's comparable; it's a user interface element imposed into the body of the page by the browser. The aspect of *content* that irritates me, as you've so helpfully but redundantly pointed out, is the hyperlinks that are added to my web pages. I don't care much whether you call the wavey purple underlines hyperlinks or not. What I'm trying to point out is that you are making a huge deal of a minor user interface change. You are straining at the gnat, and ignoring the elephant. [snip] Well, festooned is pretty strong, considering that they appear
Linux-Advocacy Digest #360
Linux-Advocacy Digest #360, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 12:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: Getting used to Linux (Donal K. Fellows) Re: More microsoft innovation (Sandman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (SSunbird) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (SSunbird) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Bracy) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rich Soyack) Linux on the Desktop (tom) Microsoft and open source (Jason Bowen) Re: More microsoft innovation (Macman) Re: Antitrust DVD (tom) Linux on the Desktop (tom) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Donal K. Fellows) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Donal K. Fellows) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Donal K. Fellows) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Bracy) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (.) From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: 18 Jun 2001 09:12:48 -0600 Seán Ó Donnchadha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Unix scenario is exactly the same, except that it wastes disk space on no-longer-used minor library revisions. It doesn't matter how many versions of libfoo.so.1.* are on the disk, because the libfoo.so.1 symbolic link can only point at one of them. So? An application can link against minor revisions. Well yeah, except they never do, because the whole point of using shared libraries is to allow your app to inherit library bug fixes in the field. If you're going to link against a minor revision, you might as well link statically. ... unless there are a whole suite of programs using said minor version (ahem, like ORBit with GNOME perhaps?). No offense Craig, but you really don't understand the problem, so I suggest you drop the attitude. No offense, Mr. Anonymous, but I've been developing under UNIX for the last 10 years -- I fully understand the problem. Not if you come up with suggestions like an application can link against minor revisions. It happens all the time; especiall with pre-1.0 libraries. Open your eyes (unless you don't actually *use* UNIX, which it is sounding more and more the case...). Again, it doesn't matter if both are on the disk, since the symbolic link through which apps load the library can only point at one of them. I must be crazy then, because I did this exact same thing with libc just last week to install Oracle 8.1.7 on our new ten-thousand dollar box. Did what? I Installed an earlier minor revision of glibc to make Oracle happy under RedHat 7.0 (which has a known buggy glibc). Go to otn.oracle.com and start reading if you're curious. Sure, Linux doesn't have it, so it's gotta be fascist, a kludge, etc. And yet when asked what to do about DLL Hell, most Windows bashers say, It's simple; let the system files be modifiable only by OS service packs. Exactly. Strange response. -- It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block -- From: Donal K. Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:06:39 +0100 drsquare wrote: You DO realise that you are condemned to burning in hell for blaspheming against the great Ic*wm? You DO realise that you are condemned to burning in hell for not understanding that Icewm (and its clones) are johnny-come-latelies on the WM scene and are thus doomed to be looked down upon in all eternity by those people who can remember when fvwm was still not much more than a twinkle in its creator's eye. Learn about RTL (and the Standard Unix Editor) before replying. Donal. -- Donal K. Fellowshttp://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Maybe we should do cultural exchange and rename those languages _Smltk and ThirdLetterOfAlphabet. -- Mark van Gulik [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: Sandman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:14:09 +0200 In article TPoX6.5672$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's EXACTLY the kind of thing I consider evil about Smart tags. Not only do they deface the web site, it could entirely change the overall meaning. And furthermore, as I stated in another reply in this thread, Smart Tags makes my IE do a connection to a MS server for -every- page I surf (or so I've understood it) to
Linux-Advocacy Digest #362
Linux-Advocacy Digest #362, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 13:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Mart van de Wege) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (T. Max Devlin) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (T. Max Devlin) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (T. Max Devlin) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (T. Max Devlin) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (T. Max Devlin) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (T. Max Devlin) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (T. Max Devlin) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand ignorance...) (T. Max Devlin) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand ignorance...) (T. Max Devlin) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand ignorance...) (T. Max Devlin) From: Mart van de Wege [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:49:37 +0200 Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy In article u0eX6.46340$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mart van de Wege [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 8j9X6.39804$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mart van de Wege [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article UlzW6.39650$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mart van de Wege [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 3b2a2e20$0$94312$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Look up Article 244 of the Penal Code A person who, with a person who is under the age of twelve (12) performs acts comprising or including sexual penetration of the body is liable to a term of imprisonment of not more than twelve years or a fine of the fifth category. I don't know about you, but I consider a 12 year old a child. Yes, and now look up article 245, which considers children between 12 and 16. Same terms, but a lower sentence, 8 years instead of 12. So the age of consent is 16, anything lower, and the police will be upon you like a ton of brick, *if* someone files charges. That much is true, the offence by itself is not prosecutable *without* a charge being filed. Generally though, parents and child protection authorities take a dim view of an adult having sex with an under-16, but it does protect the 17 year old with a 15 1/2 year old girlfriend who would be committing statutory rape in the US (Didn't I hear something about a teenager being convicted of exactly that?). Nice bit of selective quoting you did Chad, but here's a tip: *don't* selectively quote Dutch law to a former Dutch law student, you'll get your ass handed to you faster than you can say SSH. Nice machismo. But why does it say one thing in 244, then something completely different in 245? -c Because having sex with a child between 12 and 16 is considered a lesser crime? And therefore should carry a lesser penalty? Instead of lumping everything under the age of consent under statutory rape (see my example above)? It is not completely different, dolt. Ah, so if one were to have sex with a 12 year-11 month old boy, that's very, very bad, but a 13 year old boy? Hey, that's ok, we'll just slap your wrist, no harm, really. sighWell, if you call 8 years in prison a slap on the wrist, sure, you're right Chad./sigh It is a matter of gradation, not principle. Why? Because the line must be drawn somewhere? You may disagree about just where to draw it, but it is ridiculous to imply that sex with children under 16 is legal in the Netherlands. IT IS NOT! We just happen to have a history and jurisprudence suggesting that children can sometimes make informed decisions (for example in some circumstances children can enter into legally binding contracts from the age of 14 and up). Now in the case of sex, we have decided that as long as neither the parents, nor the legal guardians, nor the Child Protection Council nor the child itself complains, we'll assume that this was consenting. This is meant to cover situations like my example above. You can be sure if it is a matter of a 40 year adult with a 15-year-11-month, at least one of these parties *is* going to complain (and rightly so IMO), and given the current climate, the judge will summarily send the adult to jail for the full 8 years, and
Linux-Advocacy Digest #361
Linux-Advocacy Digest #361, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 13:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linuxstarts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Tuomo Takkula) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Rotten168) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (SSunbird) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rich Soyack) Re: Is Linux for me? (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Linux on the Desktop (Linux Man) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (SSunbird) Re: NT on Alpha stuff... (was Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!) (Bob Hauck) Re: Is Linux for me? (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (SSunbird) Re: Is Linux for me? (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Bracy) From: Tuomo Takkula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linuxstarts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) Date: 18 Jun 2001 17:57:07 +0200 Rotten168 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tuomo Takkula wrote: Sorry, but from this side of the Atlantic, the USA resemble more a third world country in many respects, than the 'top of the world'... Cheers Tuomo How so? Schools which spit out kids which can neither read nor write, the medical system which has the highest per capita expenses on the planet (eg. twice as high compared to the German per capita expenses), and still manages to keep parts of the population out, the social system which is partly nonexisting, the crime rate, the fact that any Texanian idiot is allowed to shoot you if you happen to step on `their` ground (which happens to be stolen from the native population), the fact that you might get rejected at the border w/o any possibility of appeal just because the officer didn't like your face, colour or whatever,... do I need to go on? Seriously, if you step back and and consider the States just from the news and how they treat their own population and other people, then they are at times in an equivalence class with the worst war zone of the planet or some corrupt dictatorship. At the same time the States also provide everything and more for anyone who has enough money to buy it, but then again, this is also the case in any banana republic. I do not claim that the news show the whole picture (they certainly don't) or that everything is allright in Europe (it certainly isn't, and as far as for instance the medical system in Sweden is concerned, it sucks), but certain things that happen in America do make me concerned. These don't fit into the picture of a highly industrialized democratic country with a working education system, administration, justice and executive system. Again, we do have problems in Europe, but I'd claim that there is a certain eagerness to address these, whereas in the States very often the laissez-faire principle is prevalent, or hide behind a misunderstood and distorted freedom. If you don't know what I mean, then ask yourself: can you name areas in the States which you would not enter at, say, 3 o'clock in the morning? Do you haev a problem with that? Do you think such areas should exist? I cannot name any such place in Scandinavia. Best regards Tuomo Takkula PS. Just for the record: I live in Sweden, more precisely in Gothenburg. We just experienced Sweden's worst riots, during the European Union summit last weekend. The police is now thinking of buying water cannons -- they didn't have any since the sixties... ___ Microsoft OS's are good because they encourage Intel to produce faster CPUs for the rest of us to run Unix on. George Dau -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:35:39 +0200 Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gklgr$sv3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Windows does not and will not *ever* equal 'car' or 'telephone'! What a idiot. The concept was that it is a tool, like a car and telephone. Your brain must be too small to understand simple concepts. You're the one with the undersized brain. car, telephone --- single use tool Car is a multi use tool, you drive in it, takes stuff in it, kill with it, all sorts of things. computer --- multi use tool The computer can do thousands more jobs than a car ot
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 14:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (T. Max Devlin) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (BrendaLee) Re: More microsoft innovation (Peter Hayes) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ian Pegel) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Chris Street) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mayor Of R'lyeh) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Rotten168) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: More microsoft innovation (Macman) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:01:32 GMT Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Yes, it does. It adds new hyperlinks to the user's representation of the web page. Who controls what hyperlinks are added? Microsoft and whoever pays them enough money. Actualy, this part isn't so. As is typical for MS, SmartTags are a plug-in architecture. Anyone who wants to can write new ones. And hope that there product doesn't threaten MS in any way, shape or form. Then they'll find their plug-in will suddenly become incompatible with the next release of any MS software. Paying MS is not required. Paying obeisance is still mandatory. Though MS can and no doubt will provide their own, included as standard. And churned as necessary to monopolize, as well. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:01:34 GMT Said Dave Martel in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:49:51 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:25:29 GMT, Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:46:38 GMT, Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's not like they're being redirected there from my site, so I'm not too concerned Unlike some people, I can look at this problem from more points of view than only my own. They may be redirected from my customers' web sites, so I am concerned. Personally I think this is all much ado about nothing, I'm amazed at how staunchly you defend nothing. One for and one against hardly counts as a staunch anything. 'That makes it a new work (and) you are not allowed to do that under copyright law,' Gross said. While Gross said she would need to see the Smart Tags in action to determine whether they cross the derivative work threshold, she warned that Microsoft is, at the very least, dancing dangerously close to the line. And even if the Smart Tags don't violate copyright law, Gross said, they could put Microsoft on the wrong side of regulations preventing deceptive trade practices. snip Well, there you go. I guess itwas something after all. It'll be fun to watch what happens, but legal or not you can be sure that Microsoft's army of lawyers has already examined all the legal angles and concluded they can delay any lawsuits until hell freezes over. They've already claimed ownership over any works which exist on their servers. So the obvious legal tactic is to extend the claim to the client. After all, they are not forcing you to use IE, so they have a right to control anything that you do use IE for, don't they? -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:01:39 GMT Said Erik Funkenbusch in
Linux-Advocacy Digest #364
Linux-Advocacy Digest #364, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 15:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Linux on the Desktop (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (SSunbird) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Brian Langenberger) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (SSunbird) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (SSunbird) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Brian Langenberger) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Virus Scanners... (Brian Langenberger) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Josiah Fizer) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Peter Seebach) Re: Microsoft and open source (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: More microsoft innovation (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:09:27 +0100 On 18 Jun 2001 04:00:54 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (x@-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article 9gklgr$sv3$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Edward says... car, telephone --- single use tool computer --- multi use tool what a moron. Oh the irony. an application is the tool. the computer is just something to run the application on. Think of an application as the phone. You have one application to do one task. Then you can start another application to do another task. A user does not need to know how the PC works to use the application, they just need to know how to use the application (point and click to start it). Since when were we discussing individual applications? If you can't follow threads properly, then don't even bother posting. So, in the end, a PC is just a tool. Why idiots like you can't understand that a computer is a tool is a sign of how out of touch of the real world you are. got it into your thick head now? You've just contradicted yourself again. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:09:28 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:35:39 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gklgr$sv3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Your brain must be too small to understand simple concepts. You're the one with the undersized brain. car, telephone --- single use tool Car is a multi use tool, you drive in it, takes stuff in it, kill with it, all sorts of things. No, you use it to DRIVE. computer --- multi use tool The computer can do thousands more jobs than a car ot telephone and as such is a very different device. Comprende? To how much uses the average users put his computer? I take it English is not your first language. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:09:29 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:56:05 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Seán Ó Donnchadha [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED]: only point at one of them. Your point? My point is that Unix/Linux is just as susceptible to shared library conflicts as Windows. Stop lying. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:09:29 +0100 On 18 Jun 2001 08:56:14 -0600, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Name one. xcruise. In stable. Not there. parted. In stable. Not there. sc. In stable. Not there. gnotepad. In stable Not there. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Linux for me? Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:09:30 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:21:22 +, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton)) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare wrote: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:39:52 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, It's also very bad browser. Mozilla, Gaelon, or Konquerer are all better choices. And Opera is the supreme choice. Agreed it's a good browser, just a shame about the adverts. Or in my case the ugly
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #365, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 15:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Brian Langenberger) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (T. Max Devlin) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (T. Max Devlin) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (T. Max Devlin) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (T. Max Devlin) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (T. Max Devlin) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (T. Max Devlin) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (T. Max Devlin) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linuxstarts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin) From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:49:55 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 01:05:25 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ()) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm certain that this is incorrect. Everything I've been reading from the defenders of Microsoft suggests that there are no default tags, that all the tags are added by the user. }: ) In that case, for 99% of users, there will be no tags, so there is no problem. As has been pointed out before detecting sarcasm isn't your strong point. I was not replying to any sarcasm Yes, you were. The }: ) thingie is a sarcasm indicator. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: Brian Langenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:52:44 + (UTC) Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more snip : I can go to a software store and find 1500 MS-Windows apps that I think : are pretty worthless. : : But you'll have a hard time convincing me that less apps == better. : You are basing your decision of worthless as value to you. My decision : of worthless is value to more than a few people. What, exactly, would any particular distro gain by shipping with *less* applications? Isn't that a bit like a software store advertising: We only sell the top 20 Windows apps and pass the lack of choices on to you! Since the vast bulk of a Linux distro's apps cost the same (0$) the packager has little to gain by shipping a Best-Of distro and risk alienating a set of users who rather like LittleKnonwnApp-1.0 And besides, if it wasn't for people trying out LittleKnownApp-1.0 and liking it, it would never evolve into WellKnownApp-2.0 -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:50:43 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:28:43 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to have such control, you're requiring the user to go and delete all the MS-supplied tags. Tell me all the users are going to do that! How many users are going to change the MS-supplied homepage? You're contradicting yourself again. Who, Woofbert? No, Ayende. First, you claim that users will be able to write their own tags, Woofbert didn't say that. Ayende did. therefore there's nothing wrong with the tags. Woofbert didn't say that. Ayende did. Next, you point out that most users can't even change the homepage. Wofbert suggested that most users don't change the homepage. Not can't. A small distinction, but it's there. Ayende did. Am I missing something here? Yes. You're missing a lot. For instance, you're missing who said what. DuuH! If you read the post properly, you would see I was replying to Ayende If you had quoted properly, then I could have. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) Crossposted-To:
Linux-Advocacy Digest #368
Linux-Advocacy Digest #368, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 17:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Is Linux for me? (Mig) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the (GreyCloud) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (.) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (.) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: Microsoft and open source (.) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Donn Miller) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Donn Miller) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Mart van de Wege) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: 18 Jun 2001 15:11:10 -0500 . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gj5dp$c0v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Vester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Matthew Gardiner wrote: That is completely untrue. Here is a little tool from MS that will assist you in creating and managing up to about 5000 virtual hosts on a single server (Scalable Hosting Solutions): http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/IIS/shsover.asp Which doesnt, and has NEVER worked. Never actually tried it, have you? Try running 500 high traffic coldfusion sites on one W2K box of ANY size. Never done that before either, have you? Depending on the application, a single IIS 5.0 server can host up to 5,000 sites due to the amount of storage required in the Metabase for each additional site. Which is generally seen (even by microsoft engineers, ask paul salada) to be the biggest braindeath of IIS. Next to its allowance out of the box of random writings to the registry of course. SHS however, is designed to support many more sites because all virtual site subdirectories share the same configuration of the root directory web site. Therefore, with SHS, you can create and maintain tens to hundreds of thousands of parked and/or virtual sites. Yes, thats what the whitesheet says. So microsoft created a product to make IIS work just a little bit more like apache---and it doesnt even work. Thats lovely. http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/IIS/shsadmin.asp Beats apache any day ... It does? Proof please. -. DO you run a webserver? maybe you should give YOUR account of what happens. What Microsoft/other vendor says and what happens in the real world are two totally different things. Matthew Gardiner We only run 5 dynamic web sites per IIS server. Even with that light load, they rarely run for more than a week without freezing. Perhaps IIS could run more static web sites without failure. Now that just cracks me up. Do you expect anyone except a penguin to believe that? I'm running more than a few dozen on a little 1U server without a concern for months on end and you just spue off some clap trap like that - silly... The W2K server that I had something to do with a couple of jobs ago an 46 high traffic sites, and went down a little more than once a month. Then I suggest you are a poor admin. Its quite true, jan. This is one of those cases where actual experience in the matter beats out your random guessing. I am speaking from actual experience. We have racks and stacks of 1U servers in our hosting center and they run W2K/IIS without a hitch. We build them from a script we wrote when W2K was released, took only four tries before we hammered out the small details and now we just pump these babies out using sysprep and multicasting. Some of the larger servers have some serious hammering on them and they don't just lock up or crash. That's just plain stupid if they do to you, stupid on the administrator's part. And that's experience too. -- From: Mig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Linux for me? Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:13:00 +0200 drsquare wrote: Why would you insist on beying annoying ? Since this refers to me, and not my sig, the length is safe! Honestly - I always try to adhere to nettiquette, I don't top post, cross post, all that garbage. I figure with all that, I should be able to break one rule gloriously, and with panache. Most people don't really mind; some do and I apologize. If it is REALLY an issue with people on a certain NG, then I usually just stop posting to that NG entirely, as they're not going to be 'fun' people anyway. So this
Linux-Advocacy Digest #369
Linux-Advocacy Digest #369, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 17:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linuxstarts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Tuomo Takkula) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Richard Thrippleton) Re: Is Linux for me? (Richard Thrippleton) Re: Is Linux for me? (Richard Thrippleton) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Jon Johansan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Hans) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance(GreyCloud) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Matt Kennel) Re: More micro$oft customer service (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (GreyCloud) From: Tuomo Takkula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linuxstarts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) Date: 18 Jun 2001 22:28:28 +0200 T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Said Tuomo Takkula in alt.destroy.microsoft on 18 Jun 2001 17:57:07 [...] Seriously, if you step back and and consider the States just from the news and how they treat their own population and other people, then they are at times in an equivalence class with the worst war zone of the planet or some corrupt dictatorship. [...] Seriously, you should rely less on other people's opinions and urban legends and myths, if you seriously want to criticize the USA. All this kind of babbling can result in is dismissal of your obviously jaundiced opinion and patriotic defense of the ideals of liberty. How do you define liberty? How do you define patriotic defense? What is wrong to demand from a government to treat their citizens (and others) well, and not to destroy the planet we are living on (Kyoto!)? Do you think we should use a different measure for the US? Of course, the US being a democracy, they have exactly the government they deserve, but the problem is that the things the US botch tend to have global consequences, and I do make use my right to criticize whenever I feel affected or disturbed. Btw, the US interfere in a similar way if peoples human rights are violated, and I welcome that. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** Hmmm, you seem to contradict your sig-line. Best regards Tuomo ___ Microsoft OS's are good because they encourage Intel to produce faster CPUs for the rest of us to run Unix on. George Dau -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton) Subject: Re: New BSD Advocacy site! Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:04:50 + In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], GreyCloud wrote: Richard Thrippleton wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bracy wrote: In article 9gjroh$2tg$[EMAIL PROTECTED], . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, the BSD camp has good reason to think that linux sucks... Because it does, in comparison to BSD. :) The very fact that the BSDs aren't GPL'ed makes them inferior to Linux. Oh dear an RMS fanatic. The BSD license is also 'free', in that it has all the freedoms of the GPL, but isn't quite so restrictive (or 'viral' as some say). You can incorporate BSD code into anything, as long as author credits are preserved. That sounds like free to me. As to the MS 'stealing' code, under the terms of the BSD license it's called 'using'. I happen to think that MS using BSD code is a good thing, as at least _some_ of their OS doesn't stink. Richard Why should we be paying for free BSD code then? You don't have to the bits that MS 'stole' are available from the same place they got it from. Like the Free/Open/NetBSD download site. Richard -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton) Subject: Re: Is Linux for me? Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:12:07 + In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:21:22 +, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton)) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare wrote: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:39:52 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, It's also very bad browser. Mozilla, Gaelon, or Konquerer are all better choices. And Opera is the supreme choice. Agreed it's a good browser, just a shame about the adverts. Or in my case the ugly white space
Linux-Advocacy Digest #370
Linux-Advocacy Digest #370, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 18:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Dan Pop) linux will never be popular. (blackpike) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Michael Marion) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (.) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:10:32 -0700 Ayende Rahien wrote: green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gk9qc$jmq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... the what if is a virus gets in to the backup copies of the files and changes them. how do you restore? From the CD. ok I don't really care because I'm sure theres a easy way :) You've to be an administrator to meddle with those dlls, and Windows would consider those files tainted (ie, wouldn't use them) if they don't have digital signature. In Win98 or windows in general? -- V -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pop) Crossposted-To: comp.arch Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft Date: 18 Jun 2001 20:44:40 GMT In 9gln13$6jt$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter Seebach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3b2e4b03$0$325$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9gc8qb$lbt$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows actually does a semi-decent job of boot-time configuration, to the point that an image of your old system will quite possibly boot on a different system - after which you can perform the upgrade installation. I have heard many, many, horror stories about this not working. I've heard very few stories of Mac disks not booting on different Macs (if they were at all supported), and none at all about Unixes (once again, if the hardware was anything like supported). By contrast, people in a nearby thread were commenting that it's fairly typical to have to reinstall Windows to change SCSI controllers. While I'm not a great fan of Windows, the above has a definite odor of FUD to it. Why not let the people with *direct* experience comment, so that one can properly ascertain what real problems may of may not have occurred, and why? Talking from my own experience (as a Joe Windows User), when I relocated my network card from one PCI slot to another, the only way to get Windows 95 working with it again was reinstalling the OS. On the same box, Linux didn't notice the difference in any visible way, it just continued to work as if nothing had changed (which is what I would expect from *any* half-way decent OS). Dan -- Dan Pop CERN, IT Division Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail: CERN - IT, Bat. 31 1-014, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (blackpike) Subject: linux will never be popular. Date: 18 Jun 2001 14:18:30 -0700 Linux comes from an age of IT Profesional walking around great hulking boxes in specially built air conditioned rooms. Linux is for 2 groups of people :- 1) Full time fully employed IT professionals who are highly IT literate and can spend HOURS every day figuring out how to get it working. 2) Computer Nerds who want to be in the above group Linux isn't cheap because :- 1) You have to employ IT proffesional to make it work properly or 2) You have to become an IT proffesional yourself which takes years thats years you could spend earning money doing the job you already do. linux is cheap in the same way as going round reclaiming bits of cars and building your own car would be cheap in terms of money (but what about the time) Most online tutorials don't work I have tried to follow over 15 different tutorials on compiling apache on linux to no avail. You would have thought that one of the most popular applications that Redhat linux is used to run would be easy to compile. Imageine windows not installing office. Now that Apple computers OS X is basically a Userfriendly version of unix linux will be left to full time IT proffesionals. Your average person will rather use OS X than Linux. Most newbies to linux get put off when the tutorials they follow don't work. The only newbies that eventually make it up the near vertical learning curve have had to pay in many hours scouring usenet news group for cures for the problems linux has. If I'd spent the time over the last 6 months doing real paid work instead of wasting time trying to get a linux box working with apache, Mysql, php4 I could have bought a fully configured $6000 system
Linux-Advocacy Digest #371
Linux-Advocacy Digest #371, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 18:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (.) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Peter Hayes) Re: More micro$oft customer service (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Bernd Paysan) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Peter Hayes) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: 18 Jun 2001 21:39:47 GMT In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gj5b5$c0v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gdtug$kt1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gdd68$e1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JS \ PL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I wasn't aware that netcraft was counting physical servers. When did that start happening? The way they count has nothing to do with server market share. No more than counting houses shows the amount of cities. Netcraft has never claimed nor is it even capable (or anyone for that matter) of counting physical servers. So, a mompop ISP running a single BSD box using Apache with 2000 virtual hosts (those little 5 meg sites that joes diner and franks car repair puts up their one or two pages created in dreamweaver or frontpage) Apparently youve never had to deal with such a box. Heres an example: I can run 3500 of those websites *easily* on a dual PIII 600 w/1 gig of ram and freebsd 4.3. Um, thank you. You've even further proven my point. 3500 of _those_ sites easily - I believe that because I've seen it. Some are name only virtual hosts. Only 3500?? I've seen more. So have I, I was talking about *small* machines, dipshit. wow - what a come back, of course it's the small ones - but who cares if your box can run 3500 or 5000 single page sites? Apparantly youve never purchased for a web company. I have, and those numbers mean quite alot. You'r right, I never purchased for a web company because at my company we have people to do that. We don't have the system administrators doing the buying, only the recommending. Then you doubltessly make lots of mistakes. At my company, my word was final ultimately on what hardware was purchased, case closed. It was done that way on purpose; because the people who USED to do the buying there (much like your own, apparantly) couldnt tell their asshole from a well. Must be a pretty small operation, do you also make the coffee? When I said who cares it wasn't in terms of money it was in context with capacity/managability alone. But I'm sure you knew that and changed the topic/direction. The more you type, the less expertise you display actually. IIS cannot handle 3500 websites, no matter what kind of hardware its running on, and never has been able to. Microsoft likes you to pile em on lightly, or buy one box per site. That is completely untrue. Here is a little tool from MS that will assist you in creating and managing up to about 5000 virtual hosts on a single server (Scalable Hosting Solutions): http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/IIS/shsover.asp Which doesnt, and has NEVER worked. Never actually tried it, have you? Personally no. Didnt think so. Because our clients don't like to share a single box with 5000 others. because our clients typically have a much higher load than you would put on a box with 5000 others. If you didn't work for a mompop isp with a few boxes spuing $14.95/month 5 megs free sites you'd know how this worked. Sweetheart, the last company I worked for had more than 100,000 *access* customer alone. Count on another 80K web customers. Count on half of those being business. And thats not counting leased lines, satellite uplinking, telephony, etc, etc, etc. Someone I've asked about it, yes. Over 5000? no, about 2700 is what he is running on a single box but they sure are tiny dipship accounts that's for sure... Hardly comparable. I'm talking about thousands of LARGE, BUSY SITES. Oh really. So in your mind it's a nice safe thing to put thousands of LARGE, BUSY sites on a single box eh? They can't be very large sites if you can put thousands on a single box and
Linux-Advocacy Digest #372
Linux-Advocacy Digest #372, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 18:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Chris Street) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Bill Todd) Re: Microsoft and open source (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:57:42 -0400 drsquare wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:14:04 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (SSunbird [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Rich Soyack wrote: Really? Methods used to study the transmission of other STDs don't work with AIDS? Why is that? what methods are those? Which acts carry with it the most chances of getting AIDS? acts of stupidity Well, with statements like that, you must be an absolute AIDS guru. As having anal sex with a homosexual man: a) smart B) STUPID Is doing illicit intravenous drugs: a) smart B) STUPID no more questions, your honor -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: 18 Jun 2001 15:58:12 -0600 Seán Ó Donnchadha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter Köhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not only do you not know anything about Windows (see above), but you're also sadly mistaken to think that versioning solves the problem. It doesn't. It doesn't even come close. The simple example is as follows. You install libfoo-1.1. You install appfoo, which requires libfoo-1.1 and inadvertently relies on a bug therein. You then get appbar, which requires libfoo-1.2. You install libfoo-1.2, which fixes the aforementioned bug. You install appbar and everything seems fine. Then you run appfoo, and it breaks. Don't tell me it's appfoo's author's fault, because blame is irrelevant. This kind of shit happens in the real world. The point is that versioning is not a silver bullet by any stretch. Why does appfoo break? Appfoo breaks because it relied on a bug in libfoo-1.1 which was fixed in libfoo-1.2. And it doesn't even have to be a bug; it could just be some underspecified behavior. Waht happened to libfoo-1.1 ? It's still there, but no longer used, since both programs load libfoo through the libfoo.so.1 symbolic link, which now points at libfoo.so.1.2. How come this problem you are describing here does *not* happen that way on linux? Your question
Linux-Advocacy Digest #373
Linux-Advocacy Digest #373, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 19:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: More microsoft innovation Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: linux will never be popular. (Interconnect) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Mark) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Ayende Rahien) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: Argh - Ballmer (Steve Mading) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Steve Mading) Re: Getting used to Linux (Mark) Re: Here we go again! (Mark) Re: Is Linux for me? (Mark) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mark) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:13:03 -0400 Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: drsquare wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:14:04 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (SSunbird [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Rich Soyack wrote: Really? Methods used to study the transmission of other STDs don't work with AIDS? Why is that? what methods are those? Which acts carry with it the most chances of getting AIDS? acts of stupidity Well, with statements like that, you must be an absolute AIDS guru. As having anal sex with a homosexual man: a) smart B) STUPID IS heterosexual anal sex more or less dangerous than homosexual anal sex? Why/Why not. Is doing illicit intravenous drugs: a) smart B) STUPID Does using illitcit intravenous drugs spread the HIV virus or does the sharing of needles? no more questions, your honor Nope, we're going to keep asking until you get something right. -- Aaron R. Kulkis large obnoxious, arrogant sig snipped -- From: Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:57:48 -0500 Linux Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article zOrX6.17566$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Langenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9glgfo$d82$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : What? 1500 apps? That's it? Most Linux distro's have some 6000+. Of : course most of those apps are pretty worthless, who needs 200 window : managers? I can go to a software store and find 1500 MS-Windows apps that I think are pretty worthless. But you'll have a hard time convincing me that less apps == better. You are basing your decision of worthless as value to you. My decision of worthless is value to more than a few people. Erik, you may want to re read your post here. Still, the fact that an application has value to only a few people does not mean it is worthless, many applications server very small markets but still have value. I didn't say it was worthless, I said pretty worthless, which means having a small amount of worth, but not enough to really appeal to most. Why do you keep pretending I am saying something that I am not? Still you have not ansered the question put forth in Subject of this thread. how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? Until it ships, we won't know, now will we? Why is it you can not even answer this symple question? Because it's impossible to answer, much like its impossible to answer how many IA64 apps will ship with Linux. You can guess, but it won't be accurate because there are people working on stuff you won't know about. You have made it clear that Linux has quite a number of applications ready for the IA-64. From some to the most used Internet appliations to apps that only a few people may value. The vast majority of which are apps taht only a few people may value. I ask this as a comparison of the 2 OS's status in regards to new technology. Copparing the two is quite valid for an advocacy group. I would imagine that the majority of IA64 apps won't be available until after .NET ships, which will allow apps to run on IA64 unmodified. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] () Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:18:07 GMT On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 00:59:54 +0200,
Linux-Advocacy Digest #375
Linux-Advocacy Digest #375, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 20:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: linux will never be popular. (Tim Cain) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Strictly Linux distributions? (Chad Everett) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Aaron R. Kulkis) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:14:22 -0400 Rick wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: drsquare wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:14:04 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (SSunbird [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Rich Soyack wrote: Really? Methods used to study the transmission of other STDs don't work with AIDS? Why is that? what methods are those? Which acts carry with it the most chances of getting AIDS? acts of stupidity Well, with statements like that, you must be an absolute AIDS guru. As having anal sex with a homosexual man: a) smart B) STUPID IS heterosexual anal sex more or less dangerous than homosexual anal sex? Why/Why not. Fags constitute less than 2% of the male population, but account for more than 50% of all AIDS cases. Do the fucking math. Is doing illicit intravenous drugs: a) smart B) STUPID Does using illitcit intravenous drugs spread the HIV virus or does the sharing of needles? Do the illicit drugs lower your capacity to make RATIONAL DECISIONS, a)no B)YES (*) such as...to pick a situation totally at random..whether to go out and get a clean needle...or just take it easy, hang outand use your idiot friends' needle. no more questions, your honor Nope, we're going to keep asking until you get something right. -- Aaron R. Kulkis large obnoxious, arrogant sig snipped -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:15:56 -0400 Anderson Lie wrote: tried holding the power switch down for 5 seconds? many of the newer ATX boards uses the power switch as a suspend switch as well (which the OS could very well ignore if set that way) and a 5 seconds press would activate the hardware switch. Anderson Lie LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I knew this was going to happen. When I saw the When I press the power button on my computer option in Windows Millennium Power Options I knew that it was going to malfunction. Hello Microsoft. I use the power switch
Linux-Advocacy Digest #376
Linux-Advocacy Digest #376, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 20:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Charlie Ebert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) IBM and 3rd World Nations (flatfish+++) Re: IBM and 3rd World Nations (pip) Re: More on MS's war of words (Bobby D. Bryant) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Bracy) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:25:39 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Matt Kennel wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:36:48 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :drsquare wrote: : : On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:22:30 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, : (Sky King [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], : [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... : : Really? Methods used to study the transmission of other STDs don't work : with AIDS? Why is that? : : For a start, AIDS is not an STD. : : Aids can be and is transmitted sexually. sky : : No it can't. : :AIDS is merely the name for the SYMPTOMS which were later found to :be cause EXCLUSIVELY by the HIV virus. : :Therefore AIDS and HIV are two sides of the same coin. : :Do you know of _any_ other disease where the pathogen and the symptoms :of infection by said pathogne are considered SEPERATE issues? gastric ulcer Actually, there are two kinds of ulcers. One is the result of a pathogen (bacterial ulcer), and the other is from unknown origin. The symptoms are very SIMILAR, but not identical. That 'unknown origin' as you put it was MS NT Server 4.0. Other side effects were a very runny ass. -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- Charlie === -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:29:18 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert Nice Logo. :-) Probbaly the most intelligent thing said so far in this thread. }: ) -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:31:28 -0400 Chad Myers wrote: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL
Linux-Advocacy Digest #323
Linux-Advocacy Digest #323, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 03:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Terry Porter) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Terry Porter) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Terry Porter) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Paul Dossett) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Terry Porter) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (JS | PL) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Rex Ballard) Re: Strictly Linux distributions? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:09:28 GMT In article 9ghddq$5o2$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There, no need to install anything. The advantage of the SDK that you get a .chm file, which is preferable (at least to me) to searching MSDN on the web. What the hell is that? Must be some proprietary format that can only be read with some Windows application. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter) Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Reply-To: No-Spam Date: 17 Jun 2001 06:18:59 GMT On 15 Jun 2001 13:56:16 -0500, Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but, ok, so that installs gnucash and it's very specific versions of libraries. But, um, what happened to your other applications that need other very specific versions of those same libraries? Gees this Johanson Wintroll is exceedingly thick isnt he? The Linux library methodology has already been explained to him, with examples, and he still doesnt get it. Perhaps he doesn't want to ? The funny part is that when DLL hell wasn't a phrase yet and Win95 was new and these things were first mentioned, we (Windows advocates) too laughed and said, Setup.exe - where's the problem? and didn't get it. Well, we lived through it and it sucked. Yet they pretended it wasn't a problem. Pretend it isn't an issue... be our guests... We never had your problem Wintroll. Not back when you had it, and not now. -- Kind Regards from Terry My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux. Free Micro burner: http://jsno.downunder.net.au/terry/ ** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org ** -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:16:52 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik Funkenbusch wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9gfk7b$j1h$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MS provides me with the tools to do so. I don't have the time/money/incentive to create this myself, why would MS be prevented from implementing this? The smarttags aren't hard-coded, they can be changed by the user, Which the user has to read some obscure DSK to find out how to do. This is rich, coming from a Linux user. You think man pages and how-to's are any easier? Yes. Man pages are generally installed with each app. How-to can be installed anytime from OS install to well, forever. Or, hoe-tos can be easily found online Man pages are installed with applications on Unix-like systems. Windoze has a similar feature. You are difting waaay off the point here. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:19:13 GMT In article 9ghc5b$4p0$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9ggl7g$7qd$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SmartTags, on the other hand, are selected by some other agency over which you the user have no control. How do you know what content Microsoft will supply? You don't. No, they aren't. You can choose whose definations you will use. MS provide such a defination, you can get someone else's, or write your own. The user has control on whose defination s/he is using. That's so amazigly self-contradictory it's hard to know where
Linux-Advocacy Digest #324
Linux-Advocacy Digest #324, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 04:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Linux wins again (Rex Ballard) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: Linux wins again (Rex Ballard) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: Is Linux for me? (/p@) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: Is Linux for me? (Terry Porter) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (GreyCloud) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (GreyCloud) From: Rex Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux wins again Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 07:09:49 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ==D08FA0BDC202A39B3B859FBC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erik Funkenbusch wrote: Rex Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... This is a very interesting article. Interesting first because Microsoft even allowed the benchmark to be run and then published. Since the NT Server license requires Microsoft approval of all benchmarks I'm surprised it was ever published. The NT Server EULA doesn't have any such limitation. You are thinking of the SQL Server license, which does (as does Oracle and every other major RDBMS). Actually, I just installed NT server about 2 weeks ago. I not only read the EULA, but I also pointed out this clause to my coworkers in the room. Quote from actual NT EULA Limitation on Reverse Engineering, Decompilation, and Disassembly. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation. Version Limitation: The Server Software contains a certain version number (such as version 3.5). This EULA permits you to install one copy of the Server Software with the same (or a lower) version number as the Server Software version number listed above on a single computer (for example, if the version number listed above is 3.5, you may install Server Software that contains a 3.5 or 2.0 version number, but not a 3.6 version number). Termination: Without prejudice to any other rights, Microsoft may terminate this EULA if you fail to comply with the terms and conditions of this EULA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT and all of its component parts. For Microsoft Windows NT Server: Processor Limitation. The Server Software may be used by no more than four (4) processors of the Server at any one time (support for greater than four processors is available from authorized computer hardware vendors). Client Access. You need a separate Client Access License for Windows NT Server in order to access or otherwise utilize the following Windows NT Server basic network services: File Services (sharing and managing files and/or disk storage), Printing Services (sharing and managing printers), and Remote Access Service (accessing the server from a remote location through a communications link). You do not need a separate Client Access License for Windows NT Server to access or otherwise utilize any other Windows NT Server services, to access or run Microsoft or third-party server applications on Windows NT Server, or to otherwise use the Client Software. Note on Microsoft Windows for Workgroups or Windows 95 software. The CD on which Windows NT Server resides may contain a copy of Windows for Workgroups or Windows 95 software. Note that in order to install or use this software, you must acquire a separate Windows for Workgroups or Windows 95 license. Note on Microsoft Internet Information Server software. Windows NT Server may include Internet Information Server. Your rights to use this software are described below. For Microsoft Internet Information Server: Use. You do not need a separate Client Access License for Microsoft Internet Information Server to access or otherwise utilize the services of Microsoft Internet Information Server. The Client Software may only be used in conjunction with validly licensed copies of Microsoft operating system products. No Performance or Benchmark Testing. You may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of either the Server Software or Client Software for Internet Information Server to any third party without Microsoft's prior written approval. /QUOTE The following is an exerpt from copyrighted material from Microsoft. -- Rex Ballard It Architect http://www.open4success.com ==D08FA0BDC202A39B3B859FBC Content-Type: text/x-vcard;
Linux-Advocacy Digest #325
Linux-Advocacy Digest #325, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 05:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: The Win/userbase! (GreyCloud) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Dave Martel) Re: Linux Winning the War of Perception!!! (Rex Ballard) Re: Virus Scanners... (GreyCloud) Re: Is Linux for me? (GreyCloud) Re: Is Linux for me? (GreyCloud) Re: GREAT DISCOVERY!!! (GreyCloud) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (GreyCloud) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (GreyCloud) Re: Virus Scanners... (Rex Ballard) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:15:48 -0700 pip wrote: Charlie Ebert wrote: All these virus scanners do is hopefully alert you of the presence of a virus AFTER you've been infected. AFTER is the key word here. The damage is done. So therefore they are just simply worthless CPU wasting piles of crap. AFTER is no good! I am no expert here as I have not run virus scanning software for some years - but take VirusScan from Mcaffee, it sits in your tool bar and claims to scan Email and exe's before you run them. Dr Solomon's had the same kind of function if I remember. So when you run an EXE it first scan's it (thus things slow down a bit), and I guess that the Email works via a pseudo proxy or something. I don't really know (or really care), but I think that is the general approach. If it only could tell you after you were infected then they really would not be worth much. But then, having said this, I fail to see why they did not intercept a simple VB script virus? I don't know, and that is why I simply don't run any anti-virus software and just follow a sensible policy. In other words, if they can't even protect clueless users from being stupid then they are indeed steaming piles of crap that waste cpu cyles. I know what you mean... that is why I subscribe to a Linux driven ISP that scans for viruses on their mail server before sending them on to the user. So far for over a year now they've been successful. (knock on wood!) -- V -- From: Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:20:43 -0600 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:57:51 +0200, Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:09:19 +0200, Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... MS better start cracking the whip if they want to keep up with linux. A Most of windows applications would work on IA-64 without even a recompile. They will be slow as hell, probably, but they will work. Kind of like linux users running Windows apps on VMWare? g No, that isn't a function of external software, x86 compatability is built into the hardware. I was referring to the speed issue. It's hard to imagine bleeding-edge users settling for applications that don't take full advantage of their expensive new CPU. It'll likely cause problems, because it's slow, at least at the moment. Intel should've gone on software (more easily updatable, I *hate* dropping to DOS to update hardware) emulation, like Apple did. B All that it need, in nearly all cases, is a recompile of the application to IA-64 to get it to work on it in reasonable speed. That application, of course, wouldn't take advantage of what IA-64 has to offer, though. But I don't think that many of SuSe's application does it either. Hard to know since I don't have an IA-64 or the 64-bit version of SuSE. However, given the linux tradition of portability it should be an easy port. If SuSE hasn't already done it, somebody else will bery soon. If Linux can boot on IA-64 (and it can), then you can recompile the applications to the IA-64, same as you can do on Windows Xp-64. Yup, but with Windows apps you don't have the source so you have to wait until the developer gets around to it. Testing, packaging, and distributing all those new products to the retailers is not something that can be done overnight. It'll take six months to a year to get retail applications on the shelves in any numbers. Bleeding-edge users aren't going to wait that long for applications to catch up to the hardware. Also as Bob Hauck has pointed out, the transition of code for Windows 3.x to Windows 9x was not exactly a smooth one. From what I've seen of MS development tools and the Windows API (not to mention their operating systems g), I don't think that porting existing apps will be as easy as a simple recompile. If you want to take advantage of the IA-64 features, then you have to rewrite the program, on XP64, that would be done using Win64. How would you do it on Linux? I wouldn't have to. With all the different platforms linux already
Linux-Advocacy Digest #326
Linux-Advocacy Digest #326, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 08:13:10 EDT Contents: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Taavi Hein) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Peter Hayes) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (jet) Re: Strictly Linux distributions? (Richard Thrippleton) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Matthew Gardiner) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Linux wins again (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Just For Fun (pip) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (pip) Re: More microsoft innovation (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: The Win/userbase! (pip) From: Taavi Hein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:55:29 +0300 : Just installed? You mean you didn't have to worry about : dependencies, conflicts, libraries etc? You must be using a very : strange distribution. there isn't a whole lot of things, a usual everyday program depends on. when you have one common program installed, there is a pretty great chance, the next common program depends on the same things you had to install because of the first one. and your computer just runs, if your not into frequent screw-ups and reinstalls. ps. stressing the words _everyday_ and _common_ in the above passage. -- Taavi Hein - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user #209546 Registered Linux machine #97395 -- From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one? Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:45:09 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:00:50 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The NorthStart Horizon that I had was a true hard-sectored floppy drive. Examination of the hard-sectored floppy diskette shows there is one-index hole and 10 sector holes near the hub ring. Apple was not hard-sectored. It only had one index sector hole near the hub-ring. Just like a 5.25 floppy disk today. But aren't we going back to the earliest Apples put together by Woz around 1978/79 for these hard sectored disks? Also in that day there was an attempt to prevent piracy by writing to the floppy controller to move over the sectors or even change the sector count. In other words you couldn't copy the diskette because the proms would use the default settings. It was all done in software. And sometimes even when you installed an app on your hard disk the copy protection took note of where it was on the disk. You'd to uninstall the app before you defragged the drive or it wouldn't run, and the master copy wouldn't reinstall because it knew it had already been installed. Peter -- From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:45:10 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:08:04 -0500, Mayor Of R'lyeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:21:11 GMT, Jerome Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] chose to bless us with this bit of wisdom: What is the use of SmartTags? Whatever the original intent was, If my reading of the Office XP blurb is correct, they were intended to allow someone to insert pointers into Word documents, I'd guess for internal corporate use as much as anything. Microsoft have now extended that technology to over-ride a web page author's intentions and to redirect the unsuspecting surfer to Microsoft's selected sites - presumably selected by way of the folding stuff... their effect in this group has been to cause a masive belching of hot air and a huge upturn in the number of black helicopter sightings by the Maccies. 8) Anyone with a grain of understanding sees that Microsoft are at it again, Peter -- From: jet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:17:34 -0700 Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Rick wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: drsquare wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:39:01 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Perhaps this is why he never gets any sex. I do...with
Linux-Advocacy Digest #327
Linux-Advocacy Digest #327, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 08:13:10 EDT Contents: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Chris Street) Re: Is Linux for me? (/p@-) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Chris Street) Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Erik Funkenbusch) Antitrust DVD (Piers Bray) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: The Win/userbase! (Matthew Gardiner) Re: The Win/userbase! (Matthew Gardiner) Re: The Win/userbase! (Matthew Gardiner) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: Is Linux for me? (~¿~) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Street) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:16:40 GMT On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:28:37 +1200, Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Street wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:16:38 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: unidentified poster wrote: More ideally, we should've listened more carefully to Patton, and just taken the USSR when we had the chance. Dumb idea. NEVER attack a country in which it's army can perform strategic withdrawal for 10,000 miles across a 3,000 mile-wide front. In such conditions, Even stupid snipers will take out 5 enemy soldiers before being killed themselves. Not only that..but...although the typical Russian is QUITE peaceful (less prone to support military aggression than American citizens), they are FIERCELY loyal to the cause when the country gets invaded. In WW2, the Red Army wasn't fighting for Stalinthey were fighting for MAMA AND GRANDMA Correct. They were fighting for the Rodina - the motherland. They didn't give a toss about Stalin. 1. Never fight on two fronts. 2. Never fight a land war in Asia 3. Never fight in severe winter. Hitler screwed up on all three counts. Didn't Bismark say that Germany cannot effectively fight on two battle fronts, hence, the defeat in the first world war? Matthew Gardiner Not sure - but I think everyone agreed that fighting on more fronts that is needed is a stupid move. 79.84% of all statistics are made up on the spot. The other 42% are made up later on. In Warwick - looking at flat fields and that includes the castle. -- From: /p@- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Linux for me? Date: 17 Jun 2001 03:35:09 -0700 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Netscape sucks, but Linux/Mozilla rules. you guys keep living in a dream world. IE is the best browser. numbers talk for itself. I used all of the browser, and IE is the best of them all. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Street) Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:18:27 GMT On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:22:22 +0200, Peter Köhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LShaping wrote: Must have an IBM PC-XT, from over ten years ago. Modern personal computers have only one power switch and typically do not have a rocker switch on the back next to the power inlet. Not in the United States. ATX-computers in germany have *all* this switch. Peter ATX computers in all of *europe* have this switch - it's a safety requirement. I would be incredibly surprised if there wasn't a similar requirment in the US. 79.84% of all statistics are made up on the spot. The other 42% are made up later on. In Warwick - looking at flat fields and that includes the castle. -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:27:39 GMT In article lm0X6.17353$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article h9QW6.16840$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article VPsW6.15192$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch wrote: Well, considering that it doesn't insert a new link into your page, then I A hyperlink is added to the page. In fact, loads could be. Ones which were not intended by the original author. No, a
Linux-Advocacy Digest #328
Linux-Advocacy Digest #328, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 09:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Marc Schlensog) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Marc Schlensog) Re: The Win/userbase! (Matthew Gardiner) Re: The Win/userbase! (Matthew Gardiner) Re: The Win/userbase! (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Virus Scanners... (Matthew Gardiner) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Matthew Gardiner) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Nik Simpson) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Shane Phelps) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ralph Miguel Froehlich) Re: Is Linux for me? (Richard Thrippleton) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (drsquare) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Chris Street) From: Marc Schlensog [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:40:25 +0200 Charlie Ebert wrote: [Snipped] Microsoft has NO SUCH CAPABILITY. Microsoft is totally limited to the spectrum of the ALPHA and the IBM PC/INTEL arena. IIRC, there is only x86 left, that's actively being supported by M$. AXP-support ceased to exist beginning with WNT4.0 SP5 or6. [Snipped] Marc -- They're only trying to make me LOOK paranoid! It's fishtank (a) t-online.de, of course. -- From: Marc Schlensog [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:54:10 +0200 Yeah, right, that's why M$ is starting anti-Linux campaigns. But anyway, I despise M$ in the same way I despise Volkswagen (seems logical, when one lives in Germany). It's because I know what each one of them is capable, and I know, that there are better alternatives, Linux on the one hand and Mercedes Benz on the other one being such. Every Win-zealot is trying to tell us, that Windog is easier to set up than Linux. Well, I can't relate to that. I tried to set up my brandnew (well, it's used, but I have it for about 2 weeks now) Duron-800 system. I installed Linux, configured the kernel, compiled it, restarted /once/, and everything was working perfectly. With Windows98 on the other hand, I first downloaded the most current drivers for my hardware, installed them, rebooted about 10 times, and it is still not working. Gimme one reason for using Windows then? -- They're only trying to make me LOOK paranoid! It's fishtank (a) t-online.de, of course. -- From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:03:58 +1200 Erik, the big thing I don't understand is this; Charlie talks about how bad Windows is, and how unstable, unsecure it is, etc etc, then posts his comments here. Now, as a UNIX/Linux/Windows 2000 Pro user, I personally don't give a shit about his anacdotal stories. If people choose to run Windows, Linux or any other OS, good for them, however, don't come bitching and moaning because you server/workstation was cracked, or infected with a virus. Don't come out, all guns blazing because [product] doesn't do [feature], or moan because someone insulted OS. 1. It is just software, not an animal, partner, sex toy or any other exotic life necessity. 2. If you use Windows 2000 Pro, or Linux, then who cares? not me. How is someone using Windows or Linux going to affect me? its not, hence, it is not an issue. 3. Who cares what Microsoft does? I'm not worried about what Microsoft does in its secret under ground lear. 4. If you like using a particular piece of software or hardware because it suites your needs, then so be it. Let the market place, and the technology forums decide what is superior. Matthew Gardiner -- From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:07:48 +1200 Let me see, how long have I been on the internet. For several
Linux-Advocacy Digest #329
Linux-Advocacy Digest #329, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 09:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:12:58 +0100 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:31:58 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:37:41 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... legal, to alter the contents of that site by any means whatsoever. Like removing graphics? Sounds? JavaScript? If you think that removing trivial extras Those aren't trivial extras. Yes, they are. Also, the web designer is aware that some users won't be using those features. That is why decent sites don't rely on javascript, images or sound. Are you expecting web designers to design sites suitable for those adding extra links in to rival sites? -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:12:59 +0100 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:35:21 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Maybe even a list built from your browsing history. No. You are very naive. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:13:00 +0100 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:51:58 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:35:21 +0200, Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe even a list built from your browsing history. No. Sure? Quite, it's pretty hard to do so without transmitting large amounts of data to Microsoft. That is quite easily noticable. Not really. More likely, they'll build it up on a local database, then transmit it whenever you update something or pay your tithes. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:13:01 +0100 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:05:35 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)) wrote: In article 9gcloh$cjn$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Edward Rosten wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare What? NO beer goes well with curries. The flavours completely clash. ANY beer drunk with curry tastes like shit. Especially lager. We'll have to disagree with this one. Besides, it is traditional British food: lager and british curry. Bitter curry, that's okay. No beer goes with curry. The flavours completely clash. Not lager (at least, not the crap we get in the UK, anyway) All lager is crap. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:13:01 +0100 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:22:23 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Microsoft should not be attempting to censor and manipulate information between information
Linux-Advocacy Digest #330
Linux-Advocacy Digest #330, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 10:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Opera (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Colin Day) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Colin Day) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Joseph T. Adams) Re: Is Linux for me? (Donn Miller) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Colin Day) Re: More microsoft innovation (Charles Lyttle) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rich Soyack) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rich Soyack) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Bob Hauck) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Bob Hauck) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Michael Sims) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (JS | PL) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (JS | PL) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:13:22 +0100 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:35:40 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Stuart Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... (Stuart Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Type doskey at a command prompt. Hmmm... I never knew it could do that. Why isn't it documented? Probably because it's existed forever. Or at least since DOS 5.0, 1) That's no reason for it not to be documented. In fact, it's a reason for it to be even more documented. 2) Things like bash have such features built in, and they are well documented. Searching for commands. Type Help Bad command or file name. Hmm, my apologies, looks like they've removed that. I could probably get it off the windows disk, but I can't be bothered. I'm not ranting and raving at all, I'm just saying that using bash is not convienient for JOe User, who had enough trouble with DOS. I don't see how having command history, aliases, decent prompts, startup scripts etc is LESS convenient. It's less convienient than a GUI, We were comparing bash to command.com. which is where this originally started. If you recall, I said that X was slow on a 486 DX2 50, to which you said, why bother using X, use bash, and I said that bash isn't convienient for Joe User, although I can figure it out. It's very convenient. Much more convenient than loaded up a GUI, esp. for simple things like file manipulation or running services. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Opera Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:13:23 +0100 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:52:02 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Colin Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: flatfish+++ wrote: On Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:24 +0100, drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Name a better browser than Opera. IE 5.0... I don't like MS nor it's tactics any more than any other semi sane person but they make the best browser no contest. The best browser for Windows, perhaps. But it's not very good on Linux. The best browser for Windows is Opera, followed by Lynx. -- From: Colin Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:24:47 -0400 Ayende Rahien wrote: Does Windows have a browser that can run in console/DOS mode? Otherwise, it won't be much help if your video card goes. On PC hardware, if your Video card goes, you can't boot. Not even in console mode? Colin Day -- From: Colin Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:26:21 -0400 drsquare wrote: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:37:51 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Colin Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare wrote: Doskey can be loaded. How Type doskey at a command prompt. Hmmm... I never knew it could do that. Why isn't it documented? Actually, if you invoke the DOS prompt from windows, you can have doskey started automatically. I believe it's under Properties Can I have it loaded optionally in a startup script? Optionally? I don't know. Colin Day -- From: Joseph T. Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? Date: 17 Jun 2001 13:26:55 GMT pip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Quite so. I have used VB a for a few projects, and while I don't regard : it very highly I will say this: you get a LOT done in a very short space : of time without the scaffolding needed with other languages. It is : quick, dirty and sometimes gets the job done better. I would suspect : that most
Linux-Advocacy Digest #331
Linux-Advocacy Digest #331, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 11:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Is Linux for me? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More microsoft innovation (Tim Adams) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Chad Myers) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Sky King) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Chad Myers) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Chad Myers) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Chad Myers) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Is Linux for me? (flatfish+++) Re: Strictly Linux distributions? (flatfish+++) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ralph Miguel Froehlich) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) From: Chris Ahlstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:11:15 GMT Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It adds links that I DONT WANT ON MY PAGE. What dont you understand? If I want links to GM, Coca-Cola, or the Shah of Iran, I'll put them there. If I dont put three, I must not want them there... ON MY PAGE. MY PAGE. its not there for microSoft software to change. What... dont... you... understand??? What don't *you* understand? When the page is displayed on *my* computer, I'm free to display it in any way that suits me. Making navigation easier - to sites that are *already* mentioned on *your* page, BTW - is all that Smart Tags do. They don't add anything. Seems to me like Smart Tags allow the browser to highlight key words in any HTML page on the Web, and then allow the browser to supply any URL for that key word. It would then be pretty easy to have Microsoft-friendly links shipped by default. Lamers (that is to say, the vast majority of computer users) would leave them as is, and get the benefit of Microsoft-sponsored links. Microsoft gets what it wants... more hits at Microsoft-friendly sites. A /lot/ more hits. Also, I'm wondering if it will be possible to e-mail a trojan that would replace the default smart tags with a set of less friendly ones. Chris Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer are positioning themselves behind the consumer, unzipping their flies, and proceeding to service the account [paraphrase of George Carlin]. -- Subject: Re: Is Linux for me? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:59:25 GMT Ralph Miguel Froehlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /p@- wrote: snip IE is the best browser. numbers talk for itself. snip Eat shit. Millions of flies can't go wrong. I want to put in a small plug for Opera, the Norwegian browser that is growing really fast on the net right now. I use it both in Win32 and under Linux and I like it a lot. It does have an occasional cash every now and then but it is definitely getting a lot better. Opera exists for many different platforms as well. Win32, Linux, BeOS are just the beginning. IE may be good because it accepts dotty web pages with substandard HTML, and it has some extensions MS put in it that people uses sometimes, but the problem here is that it really is just available on two desktop OS, it is bloated to the extreme and so much more then what I want to have. Abrowser should be just a browser IMO. Mail and news I get elsewhere. You can try Opera out at http://www.opera.no/ and there is a free version of it as well that is banner driven. -- AA #769 Atheist since 1972. ICQ #1645566 http://www.ichimusai.org/ PGP 0x7B83CC8B:41F9 597D 9E84 D922 917F D4E3 E8EB 6D76 7B83 CC8B -- From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: 17 Jun 2001 09:15:02 -0500 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's *my* computer. How I choose to display your web page is none of your business. You supply the defaults, I supply the customization. I'm fine with that, as long as it's really you doing it. What I object to is Microsoft (or anyone else) supplying new informational content in the form of additional hyperlinks on my web site. OK, we're getting somewhere! Now how is Microsoft supplying new informational content on *your* page? If you already mention
Linux-Advocacy Digest #332
Linux-Advocacy Digest #332, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 12:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (David Fox) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Nik Simpson) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (JS \\ PL) Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: Strictly Linux distributions? (Bob Hauck) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Bob Hauck) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Fox) Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft Date: 17 Jun 2001 08:00:49 -0700 How does disk copy account for differences in the installed hardware? Ray1234 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Disk copy can do that Carlie Coats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gf4h8$27g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maynard Handley) writes: : : On a mac---I couldn't speak about other loser systems---I upgrade the OS : on my machine by installing a new CD, hitting the go button, and coming : back twenty minutes later. All done and it just works. : I can NOT get that same ease of use when I want to upgrade to a new : computer. In that case I have to spend large amounts of time moving : material from the old computer to the new---but being careful to extract : only some of the data from these folders into the folders on the new : machine. : : Actually, I can envision putting together a one button hardware : migration application for Linux pretty easily. Just connect the two : machines via ethernet, pop a boot CD into the new machine and power : on, choose the ethernet address of the other machine from a menu, : maybe enter its root password or something, and in ten or fifteen : minutes it clones the other machine's disk onto its own, reboots to : run the hardware configuration script (Kudzu), and (with some luck) : you are done. The components are all there, they just need to be : packaged. This is usually the situation with Linux software, all the : hard parts are there but the easy/boring/tedious part never gets done. : But the commercial distributions are getting on the ball in this : respect. : : I think I'll suggest this to Redhat... It's called kickstart and RedHat did in fact come up with it. Itis widely used for making multiple clones of a starter machine in corporate environments -- see http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/KickStart-HOWTO.html for the docs... -- Carlie Coats NCSC -- From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: 17 Jun 2001 10:03:13 -0500 In article q7LW6.438$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Cyberbear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Because you, as the user, can change fonts and colors. For a third party to stick its nose in, and do it before it is displayed in the browser is intrusive. In your opinion, which is fine. So you can choose not to use it. I don't see it that way, so allow me the same luxury of choosing to use it, OK? Dan -- From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: 17 Jun 2001 10:08:15 -0500 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Jun 2001 16:42:04 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's strictly local to the machine viewing the page. The page on the server IS NOT CHANGED He never said it was. He said the pages are 'intercepted' and changed. Presumably by the browser. If that were true, then changing the fonts and colors is also intercepting and changing. Why is no one complaining about that BECAUSE CHANGING THE RENDERING OF THE PAGE IS NOT ADDING CONTENT TO THE PAGE. WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKED UP THAT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS? IF YOU COME UP WITH SUCH FUCKING IDIOCY ONCE MORE, YOU'RE IN MY FUCKING KILLFILE. OOOHH, I'M SO FUCKING SCARED BY YOUR CAPITAL LETTERS AND BAD LANGUAGE!!! FUCK! FUCKFUCK!! Dan -- From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: 17 Jun 2001 10:10:10 -0500 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is a fascinating study into how some people can so deliberately not understand on purpose just to save face. Yes,
Linux-Advocacy Digest #333
Linux-Advocacy Digest #333, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 13:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain! (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (T. Max Devlin) Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (T. Max Devlin) Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (T. Max Devlin) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (T. Max Devlin) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (T. Max Devlin) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (T. Max Devlin) Re: The Win/userbase! (Aaron R. Kulkis) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:50:16 -0400 Rick wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Rick wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: drsquare wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:39:01 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Perhaps this is why he never gets any sex. I do...with WOMEN. Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you know your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially? Which is also going against all the right-wing idealism he seems to favour so much. false premise. I'm NOT right wing. Right wing and Left-wing political views are BOTH a form of SOCIALISM and...since I'm a libertarian, and libertarians are opposed to socialism in ALL forms, that means that I am opposed to right-wingers just as strongly as left-wingers. Hope that helps, you politically illiterate MORON. -- Aaron R. Kulkis I repeat. Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you know your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially? No, that would be LINEARLY, you idiot. And that's based on the assumption that I engage in the SPECIFIC acts which make one open to infection. I love it fools who show their ignorance, arrogance and bigotry. Sex with multiple partners is having sex with more than one person at a time, or having mutltiple partners serially. And, unless you confine yourself to oral sex, you ARE engaging in activity which makes you open to infection. You really should take an AIDS Awareness Course. My mother's a nurse. Through the medical publications she gets, I've been thoroughly aware of the issues since the beginning of the outbreak. Looking to newspapers, and Time and Newsweek for medical information is about as stupid as one can be. The medical community is convinced that the majority of men in the US who identify the cause of infection as heterosexual sex...are lying. Primarily, because, outside of extremely unusual circumstances, there is no mechanism for the necessary transport. Remembervirii are NOT bacteria. A bacterium can move on its own. A virus can't. Rude and obnoxious sig snipped. -- Aaron R. Kulkis Rude and obnoxious sig snipped. -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D:
Linux-Advocacy Digest #334
Linux-Advocacy Digest #334, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 14:13:08 EDT Contents: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (JS | PL) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (T. Max Devlin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: Linux wins again (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Virus Scanners... (Charlie Ebert) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Dr S.J. Cornell) Re: Linux wins again (Charlie Ebert) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) From: JS | PL winxp beta@ home .com Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:21:03 -0400 Reply-To: JS | PL winxp beta@ home .com GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... green wrote: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9ghddo$5o2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9ghc75$36n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I remember a friend moved another friends c:\windows to recycle bin and powered down in 95a. it didn't power up (surprise surprise) but you can't just copy them out of recycle bin either. a user should not be able to do this!!! You can't do that, sorry. If you would try to do that, it would fail and complain on being unable to do this due to locked files. correct but you can move enough to cause a failure to load even safe mode. and the option is a reinstall. and with persistence you can move all but a select few. But the issue here is the upcoming XP. Could one do this on XP as well? With enough persistence anyone can destroy their OS. I can quite easily destroy an OS with something as simple as a boot disk. That said: Windows XP has he tendency to let you delete some system files but replaces them immediately wth an exact copy. In my test it did this with regedit.exe systray.exe, and telnet.exe. It goes through the motions of deleting or renaming but leaves a working copy behind. I'm sure there is a switch which alows permanent deletion. It won't let you delete system folders at all (WINNT, Fonts, etc...) but will let some files inside be deleted. Any file can be specifically set to disallow deletion though. -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:36:53 GMT Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:09:00 Marc Schlensog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Charlie Ebert wrote: [Snipped] Microsoft has NO SUCH CAPABILITY. Microsoft is totally limited to the spectrum of the ALPHA and the IBM PC/INTEL arena. IIRC, there is only x86 left, that's actively being supported by M$. AXP-support ceased to exist beginning with WNT4.0 SP5 or6. That's correct. I think there is an AXP SP6, but I may be wrong. This has nothing to do with their CAPABILITY, but everything to do with marketing and sales. If either determined tomorrow that there was strong demand for a PPC version of NT or Windows 2000, they could probably have one tomorrow as they've demonstrated it's not that difficult to do with the portable kernel design of NT/2K. Raving bullshit, Chad. Microsoft have shown themselves quite incompetent at dealing with any cross-platform support. The lack of strong demand is simply a reflection of the recognition that even if there were a demand, they couldn't pull it off. Point in fact, there is demand, and they don't fulfill it. There used to be an even stronger demand, which is why they tried to make NT multi-platform to begin with, and even had an Alpha version. It bombed, because it was crap. But to this day the sock puppets claim long and loud that Windows can support non-Intel platforms; a blatant lie at this point. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:36:54 GMT Said Peter Hayes in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:22:15 On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:30 GMT, T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said
Linux-Advocacy Digest #335
Linux-Advocacy Digest #335, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 14:13:08 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (drsquare) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (drsquare) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (drsquare) Re: Antitrust DVD (Ray Chason) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Sean Clarke) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Is Linux for me? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: The Win/userbase! (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Is Linux for me? (Glitch) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ian Pegel) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Nik Simpson) Re: Linux wins again (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Nico Coetzee) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:42 +0100 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:06:32 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Tim Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sure there are. There just aren't very many, compared to HTML. Yet in all the times I've asked, nobody can direct me to anything but a stored PDF file NOT a PDF web page. It's the same thing. HTML is simply not the magic you seem to think it is. It's just a file stored on a server and served on demand, just like PDF. I have yet to see a site which uses PDF entirely in place of HTML. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:42 +0100 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:49:25 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare wrote: Simple: 1) Never run any untrusted EXE or ActiveX control. Most users don't know what EXE or ActiveX means. Most people suffer from a bad case of optimism bias. Are you trying to make a point? -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:43 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:03:58 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 1. It is just software, not an animal, partner, sex toy or any other exotic life necessity. 2. If you use Windows 2000 Pro, or Linux, then who cares? not me. How is someone using Windows or Linux going to affect me? its not, hence, it is not an issue. 3. Who cares what Microsoft does? I'm not worried about what Microsoft does in its secret under ground lear. You should be. Everyone who uses a computer should be. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:44 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:07:48 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Here is one even better, been running Windows 2000 Pro for 2 years, no virus scanner running or any other third party tools. I have had no virus's, cracks, hack's, or anyother shit. I used to run Nutscrape Scabpicker 4.77, now I am runing Mozilla 0.9.1. To get a virus, you either have to be really, really, really unlucky, or fucking stupid. Or unknowledgeable. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:44 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:10:58 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Pete Goodwin wrote: I don't see how that's an advantage. I'd rather run a cat /dev/null /dev/hd* virus on linux than a format c: virus on windows. Why? Because linux gives Permission Denied! Unless you are root, of course. Who runs in root when using UNIX? Me. Luckily I haven't done TOO much damage yet (apart from delete various crucial files in /var) -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:46 +0100 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:38:36 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Rich Soyack [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... But, whatever the risks are, it's reasonable to assume the more chances you take, the more likely you are to get AIDS. Which acts carry with it the most chances of
Linux-Advocacy Digest #337
Linux-Advocacy Digest #337, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 15:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Is Linux for me? (Donn Miller) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: The Win/userbase! (pip) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Is Linux for me? (Charlie Ebert) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Charlie Ebert) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Charlie Ebert) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:36:38 -0400 From: Donn Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Linux for me? drsquare wrote: On 16 Jun 2001 23:55:29 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (/p@ [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Windows IE is a much better browser. Compared to what? Lynx? Heh! I love w3m myself. Only problem with it is that it doesn't handle JavaScript. Speaking of which, I really hate those web sites that keep popping open windows every time you try to quit the damned browser. With Netscape, it's very simple to disable JS in Edit-preferences. With IE, you have to screw around with security zones in order to disable JS (which IE refers to as Active-Scripting). Besides, Netscape 4.77 doesn't crash that much at all. In fact, I get crashes with IE causing a page fault in KERNEL32.DLL. Boy, you better save all your work and run for cover if you ever see the word KERNEL32.DLL being referred to in a pop-up dialog. It's sort of a hint that Windows' lame memory protection is now allowing apps to chip away at the Windows kernel. == Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News == http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! === Over 80,000 Newsgroups = 16 Different Servers! == -- From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:45:31 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:23:50 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I can't believe anyone could really try to defend such an absurd position (that Smart Tags are not hyperlinks). Perhaps you don't understand what the Smart Tag is. The Smart Tag is *ONLY* the underlining of the word and the mechanism to provide a popup. You can put anything you like in the popup (with the SDK), and it need not be hyperlinks at all. It could just be a graphic image for instance. So when I hover over a link to Joe's Autos a SmartTag could pop up and say Joe's Autos are crap, you want to buy from Acme Motors. Am I correct? So even if SmartTags never linked anywhere they could *still* be used to deface a web page and override the original author's creative content. Am I correct? But since one of the functions of the popup is to provide a hyperlink to some other web page then by extension the popup *can* be a hyperlink. Am I correct? It walks like a hyperlink. It talks like a hyperlink. Ergo, it IS a hyperlink. A rose by any other name... Am I correct? A Smart Tag need not link to anything, and its still a Smart Tag. A hyperlink isn't a hyperlink if it doesn't link to anything, now is it? A SmartTag that links to something is a hyperlink, by definition. And Microsoft can and will provide content for the SmartTag popup. For money, presumably, in addition to cementing their dominance of the desktop. Peter -- From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:45:32 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:56:55 GMT, Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article eB0X6.17400$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] But it's very, very relevant to the core issue here. Even if Smart Tags can contain text or graphics, you have an even greater abuse of MS monopoly power. It's just one more way to add content to a web site they don't own. What I don't get is how monopoly power gets into this debate at all. *Any* browser vendor could have done this, and I have heard it said that Netscape already has done it- monopoly power is simply not involved at all.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #338
Linux-Advocacy Digest #338, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 16:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (David Brown) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux wins again (Charlie Ebert) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Is Linux for me? (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Is Linux for me? (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Michael Vester) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (David Brown) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Nigel Feltham) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Nik Simpson) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) From: David Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:08:20 +0200 Rotten168 wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]... The USA kicked Japan's butt... the 3rd Reich was beaten mostly by the USSR and secondly England with the US close behind England and some other countries. The US had an integral role... mostly it was our bombing campaigns that probably did the most to destroy Nazi Germany. This is where you are now embarrassing me as an American. While the USSR was essential to the war, and sacrificed most in terms of human losses, the war was run from Britain. It would be a fair assessment to describe it as a war between Britain and its allies with Germany and its allies. While the allies on each side (in particular, the US and the USSR on one side, and Italy on the other) were vital, I cannot see how you could consider the USSR as the major force in defeating Germany. And don't you know the difference between England and Britain? Now that's *really* embarrising. -- From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows Date: 17 Jun 2001 14:12:02 -0500 LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message My computer's Basic Input/Output Service settings and Windows settings are correct, as always. Microsoft has disabled the power switch in certain circumstances in an effort to cope with Windows technical problems. When I want to turn off my computer, I would like to use my computer's power switch to do so. That's not Windows fault, it's to do with the ACPI BIOS I believe. And what entity dictated that standard? Nevermind. Highly likely that was Microsoft's doing, but it does not matter. Windows could unconditionally send a shut down signal to the mainboard. Instead, Windows polls itself to see if shutting down is OK. I have a macroer running which has something to do with it. The same thing happens when I do Start - Shut Down. Probably has something to do with the macroer's hooks. But the system is controlled by the operating system. Therefore, it is Microsoft's fault. My computer is supposed to shut down when I tell it to. What would you think if you hit the power switch on your TV and for some internal reason, it failed to turn itself off? What would happen? You would have a modern TV. Modern TVs and DVD players and Satellite receivers and DVRs like TIVO and UltimateTV don't turn off when you press the power switch. They go into standby mode and there isn't a damned thing you can do about that. Because that's how the manufacturer designed it to operate. Don't like it? Don't buy it and don't use it. But shut up with your stupid thread already. You are obviously quite the troll but a lame one... Didn't you already post this question before but using a different name? -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) Subject: Re: Linux wins again Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:12:15 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Charlie Ebert wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Rex Ballard wrote: This is a very interesting article. Interesting first because Microsoft even allowed the benchmark to be run and then published. Since the NT
Linux-Advocacy Digest #339
Linux-Advocacy Digest #339, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 16:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Charlie Ebert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: Is Linux for me? (Nigel Feltham) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Charlie Ebert) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Peter Hayes) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Charlie Ebert) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Charlie Ebert) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Bob Hauck) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Bob Hauck) Re: The Win/userbase! (Bob Hauck) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Charlie Ebert) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Stuart Fox) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Nik Simpson) Re: Is Linux for me? (Edward Rosten) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Stuart Fox) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:02:33 -0400 Charlie Ebert wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], GreyCloud wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Rick wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: You've got MALE.. sex organs! wrote: Translation: AARON is a closet homosexual, which is why he makes such a big deal about trying to distance himself from it. Oh yes, the old fag anyone who opposes us is secretly one of us routine. There's a reason nobody ever believes that, fag.. Perhaps this is why he never gets any sex. I do...with WOMEN. Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you know your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially? only if the women are putting sand or other abrasives in their vaginas. -- Gives a whole new meaning to pound sand. :-) As one of my former - 55 year old lady bosses used to tell me, @!#$!@ can just pound salt! It's salt not sand I guess she was never in the military. pound sand is military slang. -- Charlie --- -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:36:01 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 17 Jun 2001 09:19:02 -0500, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's *my* computer. No, it's not *your* computer we're talking about. It's the millions of users who will be viewing sites intercepted and distorted by MS for their own gain. It *is* my computer I'm talking about. This is an option that *I* turned on. It doesn't affect *anyone else's* computer! But it affects the content of web pages in a manner not under the control of the page author, and this is morally and legally wrong. Peter
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #340, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 17:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Charlie Ebert) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: Is Linux for me? (Edward Rosten) Re: Is Linux for me? (Nigel Feltham) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: Is Linux for me? (Nigel Feltham) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (JS \\ PL) Re: Is Linux for me? (Nigel Feltham) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Mart van de Wege) Re: Is Linux for me? (Nigel Feltham) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:50:04 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Charlie Ebert wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], GreyCloud wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Rick wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: You've got MALE.. sex organs! wrote: Translation: AARON is a closet homosexual, which is why he makes such a big deal about trying to distance himself from it. Oh yes, the old fag anyone who opposes us is secretly one of us routine. There's a reason nobody ever believes that, fag.. Perhaps this is why he never gets any sex. I do...with WOMEN. Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you know your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially? only if the women are putting sand or other abrasives in their vaginas. -- Gives a whole new meaning to pound sand. :-) As one of my former - 55 year old lady bosses used to tell me, @!#$!@ can just pound salt! It's salt not sand I guess she was never in the military. pound sand is military slang. Well no. She is the female and the female's say pound salt. I haven't tried this but I'll be for the female it's extremely painful. -- Charlie --- -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- Charlie === -- From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:55:39 -0400 Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: drsquare wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:22:30 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Sky King [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Really? Methods used to study the transmission of other STDs don't work with AIDS? Why is that? For a
Linux-Advocacy Digest #341
Linux-Advocacy Digest #341, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 17:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: Antitrust DVD (Bobby D. Bryant) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Nik Simpson) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Chris Street) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mart van de Wege) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (.) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (.) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Form@C) From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:37:01 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's *my* computer. How I choose to display your web page is none of your business. You supply the defaults, I supply the customization. I'm fine with that, as long as it's really you doing it. What I object to is Microsoft (or anyone else) supplying new informational content in the form of additional hyperlinks on my web site. OK, we're getting somewhere! Ah! A glimmer of hope? Now how is Microsoft supplying new informational content on *your* page? Gosh, darn it, and I thought Dan was beginning to understand. I've been saying this over and over and over and over. And over and over and over... Microsoft is adding new links to pages that people look at with their browser. They are links I haven't approved for my web page. If you already mention Microsoft (or Apple, Yahoo, or who knows what else) on your page I can cut and paste those words into a Yahoo search and turn up the same links. Smart Tags just save me from cutting and pasting. That's really all they do. Your'e talking implementation and convenience. Those things are fine and dandy. I'm talking about some other central authority adding links to my page (yes, when seen by MS IE users.) Remember, Smart Tags are only triggered by words that *already appear* on *your* page. Nothing is added.If you don't want that to happen, then don't mention Microsoft (or Apple, Yahoo, or who knows what else) on your page. Oh, so now Microsoft is limiting my freedom of speech, with the threat of turning my words into links to web sites they approve? IAC, I think we've about beat this into the ground!Feel free to not use them, and I'll continue to use them. That's the beauty of choice - everybody's happy! Are you dense? I don't object to you doing your own web searches on web sites you see. I object to Microsoft doing it for you. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:38:33 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It adds links that I DONT WANT ON MY PAGE. What dont you understand? If I want links to GM, Coca-Cola, or the Shah of Iran, I'll put them there. If I dont put three, I must not want them there... ON MY PAGE. MY PAGE. its not there for microSoft software to change. What... dont... you... understand??? What don't *you* understand? When the page is displayed on *my* computer, I'm free to display it in any way that suits me. Making navigation easier - to sites that are *already* mentioned on *your* page, BTW - is all that Smart Tags do. They don't add anything. Liar. You yourself stated earlier that the links are added by Microsoft to web sites they select. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:38:51 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It adds links that I DONT WANT ON MY PAGE. What dont you understand? If I want links to GM, Coca-Cola, or the Shah of Iran, I'll put them there. If I dont put three, I must not want them there... ON MY PAGE. MY PAGE. its not there for microSoft software to change. What... dont... you... understand??? What don't *you* understand? When the page
Linux-Advocacy Digest #342
Linux-Advocacy Digest #342, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 18:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mart van de Wege) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mart van de Wege) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: Strictly Linux distributions? (Mart van de Wege) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Charlie Ebert) From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:04:28 GMT In article br4X6.1948$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, what people really object to here is not *that*- lots of other products do much *more* to the content of web pages, and nobody cares. What some people here find so opressive is that MS is improving their products, and this has the potential to make MS's product even *more* popular, and even *more* universal. It's my view that if you are scared of MS's influence, there are *other* things about SmartTags that should disturb you far more than this whole it put a wiggley underline on my page! sillyness. Imagine if you will a web where a significant part of the functionality available to you is made available through smart tags- tags provided by many different vendors, and not Microsoft. In that web, you'd need Internet Explorer to function. *That* is the threat an MS-hater should fear, and not wiggley underlines. I don't like Microsoft. I dont like SmartTags. I've made it clear from the start of this discussion that the reasons I don't like SmartTags are different from I don't like Microsoft. SmartTags allow some central authority to make additions to my web pages. Yes, these additions are seen only by people using MS technology, and for now, only by those who turn it on. But we have shown how MS invents technology and inexorably tries to make it standard and pervasive. One objection to SmartTags is that it requires Microsoft technology to make it work. This makes it useless for anyone using some other operatig system or browser. This is no big deal, really. I won't use SmartTags and Linux and Macintosh users who visit my site won't see SmartTags. The problem is that Microsoft users with SmartTags turned on will see things added to my web site which I did not put there, which some central authority over hwich I have no control put there. The Web was originally about enabling individuals to publish their own thoughts, ideas, images, songs, and so forth, for everyone to see, pretty much no matter what sort of browser they used. This has changed to pretty much requiring a graphic browser, though some web designers make their pages readable by text-only browsers. What this new technology does is take away a web page deisgner's exclusive control over content. My web page will now be festooned with links, ads, images, comments made by who knows who and put there by some central authority, and I will not have any control over this crap defacing my wed site. This sort of technology is not even very new. ThirdVoice, a failed and not regretted Silicon Valley startup, provided a way for people to deface other people's web sites. An Internet Explorer plugin would contact a central database and look up each URL the browser displayed. It would then display little symbols in the web site which, when opened, would show comments made by web site visitors. A number of people were upset about this, and there were web sites that published Javascripts that defeated ThirdVoice by refusing to display pages to a browser with ThirdVoice installed. I guarantee that the same sort of thing will happen to SmartTags. Someone will even come up with a patch for Apache that detects a SmartTags-enabled browser and automatically send it to an alternate page. Maybe we need a new standard error code for HTML, Your browser offends me. FOAD. No, it's not the purple squiggly lines that bother me, it's how this wondeful cool technology, which was supposed to give the individual the chance to publish his ideas, is being perverted to allow some central authority to embellish those ideas with corporate-sponsored pap. -- Woofbert: Chief
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #343, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 19:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Peter da Silva) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Chad Myers) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Peter Hayes) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Quantum Leaper) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (ppeoe@m) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Mart van de Wege) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:31:30 GMT In article lm0X6.17353$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the Smart Tag does not take you to another web page. The Smart Tag creates a popup, the popup provides hyperlinks which can take you to another page. The Smart Tag is what the user sees in the web page, not the popup window containing the links. They do exactly the same thing, although the actual clicking motion varies slightly. No, they don't do exactly the same thing. The Smart Tag never takes you to another page, ever. The distinction between SmartTags link you to another page and SmartTags pop up windows which link you to another page is there and understood ... however, the end result is that SmartTags add hyperlinks to a web page. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:33:13 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Lyttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither the underline nor the popup nor the links in the popup were part of my original page. IF MS takes my page and modifies it to add content then republish it with links to their sites or any other sites, I will take all legal measures open to me. As a number of Microsoft officials read and post to this group under pseudonyms this should be sufficient notice. Sice SmartTags can also add text, pictures, and presumably embedded objects such as QuickTime and Shockwave movies, this amounts to a technology with serious implications ... a web page author is no longer in control of his own web page. I will do what I can to make SmartTags useless on the web pages I publish. Microsoft, we'll see you in court. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva) Crossposted-To: comp.arch Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft Date: 16 Jun 2001 00:15:47 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ketil Z Malde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eh... I'm not sure I follow. The way it is now, I buy a new PC with the latest Windows on it, and spend hours moving stuff over. In an ideal world, I buy a new PC with the latest Windows on it, and push a button to automatically transfer all my stuff. The logic is: If it's easier to transfer, you buy that new PC more often. -- `-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva. 'U`A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: WWFD? -- From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:29:40 GMT Mart van de Wege [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article UlzW6.39650$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mart van de Wege [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 3b2a2e20$0$94312$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm talking about pictures of 12 year old girls (according to the article I read) being distributed to persons in America. The FBI has active investigations going on to kiddie porn rings with the material originating in Holland. I wasn't aware this wasn't common knowledge. I've heard reports of
Linux-Advocacy Digest #345
Linux-Advocacy Digest #345, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 20:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: The Win/userbase! (Tuomo Takkula) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: Is Linux for me? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Is Linux for me? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: The Win/userbase! (Nigel Feltham) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: The Win/userbase! (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: Is Linux for me? (Terry Porter) From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:11:08 GMT Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:56:55 GMT, Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] IMHO, what people really object to here is not *that*- lots of other products do much *more* to the content of web pages, and nobody cares. No other product *adds* content to a web page, content that the original page creator may never realise is being added, or would sanction if they knew. I suppose it depends what you call content. Those who have been bashing this feature here have used very strange definitions of this. Links are content, but images are not. I hesitate to ask whether prose is content! It doesn't seem terribly important, though. As I said, it's not the wavey underlines that you should worry about. That's a minor user interface issue. If SmartTags worked entirely in a separate window, which display tags according to what you had selected, or what you were pointing at, then all this nonsense about 'changing web pages' would never have been conceived- but the real issues would still be there. [snip] It's my view that if you are scared of MS's influence, there are *other* things about SmartTags that should disturb you far more than this whole it put a wiggley underline on my page! sillyness. Imagine if you will a web where a significant part of the functionality available to you is made available through smart tags- tags provided by many different vendors, and not Microsoft. Under circumstances such as you describe, I doubt anyone will bother to make any web pages since they'll realise that the viewer's browser will distort their work, supplementing their message, personal, political or economic, with someone else's message. Surely not. SmartTags won't *remove* your message- they'll add other peoples' tags to it. IMHO what it will mean is that some content will become SmartTags, rather than pages! It is *this* possibility that I see as significant. It will not be worth any company's time and money to publish a web page promoting their product if their message is going to be corrupted by third party SmartTags. Why not? Sure, some weirdos will have the SmartTags that make nasty comments about (say) Microsoft- but www.microsoft.com will still be there, for the vast majority who do not. In that web, you'd need Internet Explorer to function. No. Internet Explorer will have become Internet Destroyer. That you do not like the prospect does not make what I say untrue- if this happens, IE will be what Netscape used to be- the only browser that counts. *That* is the threat an MS-hater should fear, and not wiggley underlines. No, it's a threat to the very purpose of the WWW. What, it inhibits publishing CERN data? :D Seriously, though, if very successful this could change the *nature* of the web. Maybe. I do not say it would be a change for the worse, but it would certainly be to Microsoft's advantage, and if you fear Microsoft and see malice in everything they do, that's got to be a scary thing. Of course, everything depends on how SmartTags develop in future. They could be an insignificance. Time will tell. -- From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: 17 Jun 2001 17:13:01 -0600 drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:36:02 +0900, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Osugi Sakae [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where does it get the packages from? And what if the package manager doesn't know where to get them from? You are either a horrible troll or a total, wet-behind-the-ears newbie. Or both. You obviously know nothing about debian.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #346
Linux-Advocacy Digest #346, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 20:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Robert W Lawrence) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Ayende Rahien) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Is Linux for me? (Terry Porter) Re: Is Linux for me? (Terry Porter) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Terry Porter) Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:35:53 GMT Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article br4X6.1948$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] In that web, you'd need Internet Explorer to function. *That* is the threat an MS-hater should fear, and not wiggley underlines. I don't like Microsoft. I dont like SmartTags. I noticed. :D I've made it clear from the start of this discussion that the reasons I don't like SmartTags are different from I don't like Microsoft. No, I really don't think you have, even if you meant to. You have come of as if you are looking for *any* reason to condemn this feature, no matter how farfeched or ungrounded in facts. SmartTags allow some central authority to make additions to my web pages. They allow lots of authorities to do that, but I don't see how any are 'central'. Yes, these additions are seen only by people using MS technology, and for now, only by those who turn it on. But we have shown how MS invents technology and inexorably tries to make it standard and pervasive. Yes, we have. This may be an example yet. One objection to SmartTags is that it requires Microsoft technology to make it work. That sounds very much like your reasons for hating SmartTags and your reasons for hating Microsoft, might just be related. Otherwise, why be so upset that it uses Microsoft technology in particular? This makes it useless for anyone using some other operatig system or browser. This is no big deal, really. I won't use SmartTags and Linux and Macintosh users who visit my site won't see SmartTags. Yes. But it may be a big deal, if SmartTags are a big hit. Then again, it may not. The magic eight ball says: Answer cloudy. Try again later. The problem is that Microsoft users with SmartTags turned on will see things added to my web site which I did not put there, which some central authority over hwich I have no control put there. That's not important. The Web was originally about enabling individuals to publish their own thoughts, ideas, images, songs, and so forth, for everyone to see, pretty much no matter what sort of browser they used. Something more or less like that. This has changed to pretty much requiring a graphic browser, though some web designers make their pages readable by text-only browsers. What this new technology does is take away a web page deisgner's exclusive control over content. You are complaining over an insignificance. The real import of SmartTags is not that it inflicts wavey purple underlines on your web page. That's no worse that the blue straight underlines that modern browsers inflinct on you. Those are *not* in the HTML, you know. They are a user interface element provided by the browser. What is important is not the squiggles but who put them there. And what is important is in particular that it is not just Microsoft! This thing is a platform- anyone can build on it. The threat is not that it will deface web pages but that it will replace some of them. My web page will now be festooned with links, ads, images, comments made by who knows who and put there by some central authority, and I will not have any control over this crap defacing my wed site. Well, festooned is pretty strong, considering that they appear in a separate window, except for those darned squiggles. It's broadly similar to the way explorer bars are now, if you've ever seen those. This sort of technology is not even very new. ThirdVoice, a failed and not regretted Silicon Valley startup, provided a way for people to deface other people's web sites. An Internet Explorer plugin would contact a central database and look up each URL the browser
Linux-Advocacy Digest #347
Linux-Advocacy Digest #347, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 21:13:02 EDT Contents: More Microsoft (Charlie Ebert) New BSD Advocacy site! (Charlie Ebert) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Mark) Re: Strictly Linux distributions? (Mark) Re: Strictly Linux distributions? (Charlie Ebert) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Charlie Ebert) Re: More micro$oft customer service Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mark) Re: Getting used to Linux (Mark) Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (Mark) Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (Mark) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) Subject: More Microsoft Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:25:42 GMT http://www.canadacomputes.com/v3/story/1,1017,6179,00.html?tag=81sb=79 -- Charlie === -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) Subject: New BSD Advocacy site! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:32:43 GMT http://www.linuxsucks.org/ Interesting why they didn't take BSD-FANS or BSD-ROCKS or something like that. I guess they wanted to be found. -- Charlie === -- From: Stephen S. Edwards II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:23:42 -0700 LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message My computer's Basic Input/Output Service settings and Windows settings are correct, as always. Microsoft has disabled the power switch in certain circumstances in an effort to cope with Windows technical problems. When I want to turn off my computer, I would like to use my computer's power switch to do so. That's not Windows fault, it's to do with the ACPI BIOS I believe. And what entity dictated that standard? Nevermind. Highly likely that was Microsoft's doing, but it does not matter. Windows could unconditionally send a shut down signal to the mainboard. Instead, Windows polls itself to see if shutting down is OK. I have a macroer running which has something to do with it. The same thing happens when I do Start - Shut Down. Probably has something to do with the macroer's hooks. But the system is controlled by the operating system. Therefore, it is Microsoft's fault. My computer is supposed to shut down when I tell it to. What would you think if you hit the power switch on your TV and for some internal reason, it failed to turn itself off? What would happen? You would have a modern TV. Modern TVs and DVD players and Satellite receivers and DVRs like TIVO and UltimateTV don't turn off when you press the power switch. They go into standby mode and there isn't a damned thing you can do about that. Because that's how the manufacturer designed it to operate. That is bullshit from someone who is clueless. In the case I cited, Windows does not turn off the hard disk, the CPU, or even the monitor. It does not go into sleep mode. Well, there is one exception. Millennium does turn off the monitor while I am watching Internet TV. :o/ Perpetual dysfunctionallity is why I stopped using Windows power management years ago. *sigh* Do you even have the slightest clue as to how to access your system's BIOS and disable the power management features. If you don't, then ask and we'll attempt to help you. If you do, then do it and shut the fuck up about it already. Don't like it? Don't buy it and don't use it. But shut up with your stupid thread already. Didn't you already post this question before but using a different name? I have always posted under the unique handle LShaping plonk Now you may listen but you may not speak. Ooooh! Boy, you really got Jan good there! Please enlighten me, exactly how are you going to deny him the ability to post to USENET? I'd be very interested in seeing what sort of 'leet tools you have in your arse...nal. -- From: Stephen S. Edwards II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:29:16 -0700 Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #348, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 23:13:08 EDT Contents: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (mike@-) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (billwg) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Richard Thrippleton) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Charlie Ebert) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Terry Porter) Suse 7.2 is out. (Charlie Ebert) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Rotten168) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (GreyCloud) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Rotten168) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Tukla Ratte) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Tukla Ratte) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Tukla Ratte) Re: Windows makes good coasters (GreyCloud) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (robert555@nowhere) Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (JS \\ PL) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Terry Porter) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Big Daddy) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Chad Myers) From: mike@- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! Date: 17 Jun 2001 17:33:47 -0700 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Windows does not and will not *ever* equal 'car' or 'telephone'! What a idiot. The concept was that it is a tool, like a car and telephone. Your brain must be too small to understand simple concepts. -- From: billwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 01:23:43 GMT GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The Ghost In The Machine wrote: The question then is, how long will it take MS to get back to its high value? The cause of the low prices is not as much due to MSFT itself as to the losses of market cap in the NASDAQ in general. Microsoft has fared pretty well compared to ORCL, SUNW, AAPL and extremely well compared to the Linux stocks RHAT, LNUX, CALD, and (sort of) CORL. MSFT seems to recover leading NASDAQ improvements overall, just as it did two years ago in its climb to its heights. OTOH, I don't think that the Linux stocks will ever come back. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton) Subject: Re: New BSD Advocacy site! Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:26:24 + In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Ebert wrote: http://www.linuxsucks.org/ Interesting why they didn't take BSD-FANS or BSD-ROCKS or something like that. What a beautiful bit of BSD adovcacy arrived in the first article I saw. Linux is for losers arriving at the eventual conclusion that Win98 is a great OS! If you want BSD users (or anyone) over the age of 12, best to try a mailing list. Are you sure it's a pro-BSD site? Richard -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 01:30:10 GMT We are musicians, and you are arguing that we're wasting our time because 'the masses' are happy simply listening to the radio. ppeoe@m wrote: snip a computer is a tool for many people. They care less how and why it does what it does. replace 'windows' above with the word 'car' or 'telephone' and you'll see the hole you and other Unix/Linux people have themselves stuck in for the last 30 years while windows keep gaining more market share and more users. Untill you get the simple idea is that a computer is only a tool for the masses, Linux and Unix will remain ignored by the millions of users. The masses use windows becuase it does not require knowing much to use a computer. point and click. the masses do not care why and how it works. And that is the way it ought to work. I do not care how the car engine works, i am simply not interested. as long as it takes me from point A to B, that is all I care about. simple concept, MS figured it out long time ago, the *nix crowds still trying to figure what it means after 30 years. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) Subject: Re: New BSD Advocacy site!
Linux-Advocacy Digest #350
Linux-Advocacy Digest #350, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 01:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: The Win/userbase! (GreyCloud) Re: The Win/userbase! (GreyCloud) Re: Virus Scanners... (GreyCloud) NT on Alpha stuff... (was Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!) (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (GreyCloud) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (GreyCloud) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:09:47 -0700 Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Charlie Ebert wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Gardiner wrote: Erik, the big thing I don't understand is this; Charlie talks about how bad Windows is, and how unstable, unsecure it is, etc etc, then posts his comments here. Now, as a UNIX/Linux/Windows 2000 Pro user, I personally don't give a shit about his anacdotal stories. If people choose to run Windows, Linux or any other OS, good for them, however, don't come bitching and moaning because you server/workstation was cracked, or infected with a virus. Don't come out, all guns blazing because [product] doesn't do [feature], or moan because someone insulted OS. 1. It is just software, not an animal, partner, sex toy or any other exotic life necessity. Wrong answer. The Human race could not survive today without the aid of computers and the software which drives them. Only the ignorant would make a statement such as this. 2. If you use Windows 2000 Pro, or Linux, then who cares? not me. How is someone using Windows or Linux going to affect me? its not, hence, it is not an issue. Then why are you here? 3. Who cares what Microsoft does? I'm not worried about what Microsoft does in its secret under ground lear. They will create a situation where by computer software costs skyrise to even greater heights than ever conceived of before. They are a tumor on the body we know as planet earth and must be removed. Where's Tim McVeigh when you need him? Six feet under by now I suppose. :-) -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:11:35 -0700 Matthew Gardiner wrote: Pete Goodwin wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... I've heard of a certain mail program automatically running certain attachments. Also, your forgot to mention that Windows makes it easy to make .exe files look like .jpg files etc. Um, yeah, I just thought of a couple of ways a JPEG lookalike could really be an exe in disguise. But then, I always switch on show file extensions. I don't see how that's an advantage. I'd rather run a cat /dev/null /dev/hd* virus on linux than a format c: virus on windows. Why? Because linux gives Permission Denied! Unless you are root, of course. Who runs in root when using UNIX? Matthew Gardiner From what I've read I think Chad does. -- V -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Virus Scanners... Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:14:25 -0700 Matthew Gardiner wrote: Charlie Ebert wrote: In article 9gevou$fej$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Mig wrote: Charlie Ebert wrote: If XP is so secure then what will you say to a new computer with XP pre-installed and another Virus Scanning program also installed? Whats the relation to Linux? Linux has none nor will it ever have a virus scanner. Linux doesn't need a virus scanner. If you design your OS correctly you don't need such nonsense. Yet when you examine Windows and look back over time, they are probably celebrating their 15th anniversary of virus scanners and they still don't have a clue here. That's the relation. True, on my *NIX box I have 3 accounts, root, mgardiner, and internet. Internet is used stictly for internet use only to ensure that nothing can be deleted. mgardiner account is not used for net surfing, thus each account is seperate from each other, thus stopping a viir from reaking havok. Matthew Gardiner Hey, that's not a bad idea. I will adopt this as well! Thanks for the tip. -- V -- From: Stephen S. Edwards II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: NT on Alpha stuff... (was Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:07:06 -0700 Bob Hauck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On
Linux-Advocacy Digest #290
Linux-Advocacy Digest #290, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 04:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Dave Martel) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (jet) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Form@C) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (jet) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Greg Cox) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (GreyCloud) Re: Virus Scanners... (Mig) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (GreyCloud) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (GreyCloud) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (GreyCloud) From: Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:19:14 -0600 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:43:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) wrote: But I disagree that Suse is king of the applications distro's. It is Debian which contains over 4,200 applications in Potato and with Woody this figure will top 7,000 easily. I'm thinking of what comes in the box. Once you start talking downloads there's no reason to stop at one distro's official site. Debian has always been the king of support for the Linux community. So I hear. I keep wanting to give it a go but just don't have the time right now to mess with computers. -- From: jet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:37:16 GMT Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... jet wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Rick wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Fernandinande Le Mur wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:13:19 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] expounded: If I recall right, San Francisco was notorious for gay bathhouses that ran all night. When aids became a problem, most of the bathhouses shutdown. I suspect that this helped in reducing the spread of aids some. Then public education on tv started via commercials, but the aids has gotten into every sector of life its starting to blur the lines. Africa, at least what we've been spoon fed on the news, is suffering heavily from aids. Not exactly sure what their real problem is over there. The news is sort of vague about it. The popmedia is dishonest about reporting on AIDS in Africa because they don't want to burst the bubble that AIDS is a threat to the general population, rather than just to some specific sub-groups. About a year ago Scientific American had a fairly PC article about AIDS in Africa and blamed rampant prostitution combined with sexual practices which cause small amounts of bleeding (dry sex, or women putting sand, baboon urine and such in their vaginas before fucking - no, I'm not kidding). In other words, the AIDS epidemic in Africa is the result of the sexual behavior of the victims. Yep. With modern screening in the blood supply (i.e. source of transfusions), in this day and age, the ONLY way to get AIDS is to behave like a MORON. -- You claim to have sex with multiple partners. I guess you are a moron. It takes more than that for a 100% heterosexual man. What does your mail order bride think about your playing around? Guess the whore is worried she'll get shipped back to Russia if she speaks up, huh? ^ Are you implying that I nail people inside wooden crates and then transport them down to the post office? No, stupid, I'm implying you use the FedEx People pack. :) http://www.brknews.com/news/fedex.html Based on the above, It's quite obvious that you can't form rational statements. *PLONK* Translation: you painted yourself into a corner, and I called you on it. J -- From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:52:35 +0200 pip wrote: Peter Köhlmann wrote: Chad Myers wrote: The problem is a general one, it's just another example of you loonies blaming MS for a common problem. No, it is not. Linux does not have this problem, How so ? You are saying that incompatible shared libraries (eg: changing api) under Linux does not break programs ? As far as I can see if IS a very common problem.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #291
Linux-Advocacy Digest #291, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 05:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (GreyCloud) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (GreyCloud) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Dr S.J. Cornell) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Charlie Ebert) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: Virus Scanners... (Charlie Ebert) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Charlie Ebert) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: Linux wins again (Shane Phelps) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Matthew Gardiner) Re: The Win/userbase! (Pete Goodwin) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Matthew Gardiner) Re: The Win/userbase! (Pete Goodwin) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Virus Scanners... (Pete Goodwin) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Pete Goodwin) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Matthew Gardiner) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:29:38 -0700 Dave Martel wrote: On 15 Jun 2001 14:04:09 -0500, Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gave some examples. Tell me ANYTHING about a printed copy that is better than the electronic version. You don't need electricity to read it. And have you ever tried to balance a notebook computer on your lap while sitting on the toilet? Hehehe... especially if it accidentally falls into the toilet or gets wet. You can just dry off a book. -- V -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Microsoft PATH. Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:33:29 -0700 Paolo Ciambotti wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Ghost In The Machine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Paolo Ciambotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:29:51 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I'm still stuck trying to wend my way through the Zork trilogy. Xyzzy. Plugh. Remember? Remember without drugs? You are in a maze of twisty little wintrolls... ... all alike. Wait that makes sense. I smell a wumpus. Bats nearby! I feel a draft... Pssst... I think we've lost the newbies. I used to hunt the Wumpus on an HP-9845 (?). Translated it from a BASIC listing in a magazine whose name I've forgotten, although I'm pretty sure they're not around any longer. Ported that damned dodecahedron to every system I've ever owned except this one. H. wonder if the thing still lives on the web? It may. I still have the source code to both of those mentioned in the attic. I found Zork in fortran source as well. -- V -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:36:13 -0700 Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: GreyCloud wrote: Ayende Rahien wrote: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I so LOVE it when someone claims to have killfiled (or better yet, actually done it) - it is the ultimate proof that that person is not willing to consider anything but what they believe is true - very blind indeed... Aaron is an exception, though. I run a google search on the number of people who has him killfiled, apperantly over 1000 people did. I think it's some sort of a record. http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=kulkisas_oq=killfile%20plonk Hey... maybe he's running for the Guiness World Record. You never know. It's always funny when I get a new e-mail account and those thousands of people say DOH! simultaneously! Hehehe... I think they are too thin skinned. BTW is throw some string a legal construct in C++?? I've tried to use it in g++ and it compiled ok, but cored on me. -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:39:57 -0700 Nigel Feltham wrote: They aren't the only site that dishes out goofed up web pages. Some give you a blank screen and says its done. Strangely, most of the sites
Linux-Advocacy Digest #292
Linux-Advocacy Digest #292, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 06:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: The Win/userbase! (Osugi Sakae) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Peter Hayes) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Osugi Sakae) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) From: Osugi Sakae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:25:39 +0900 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... [rhetoric snipped] I told him you can't buy a good Virus scanner as there is NO GOOD virus scanner as most all viruses are NEW! That under Windows relying on a Virus scanner for your security is not going to work. That as I already explained, even if it detected a virus it would be too late, the damage is done. That it's absurd to even run a virus scanner. Let me see, how long have I been on the internet. For several years. How many Window virii have I seen... None. How many have infected my machine... None. Do I run a virus checker? Occaisonally. It always pronounces my machine as clean. Fair enough, but it is personal experiences and not valid evidence that windows 9x is a safe operating system. Better evidence comes from the repeated outbreaks of email virii and the occassion newsarticle about subseven or other backdoor / trojans for MS products. Even given the disparity in installed bases, windows - or at least windows users - seem to be more suseptable to virii than linux / unix. Why is my machine clean? ONE THING YOU FORGOT TO POINT OUT TO YOUR FRIEND CHARLIE!!! A fairly basic piece of advice. If you don't know where the EXE came from, DON'T RUN IT! How many typical windows users know how an exe is different from any other sort of file? they are used to clicking on a file and having it open in an associated program. viewing a picture and running a program are identical in their eyes. Also, more virii / trojans / etc. pass themselves off as another sort of file (like porn). So telling someone not to run any exe files fails cause they will try to open that picture of the naked tennis player. Then they will complain to you that you never said a jpeg file could cause any damage. Now, in terms of EMail, I've never used the ones that come with Windows. I've always used something else. Right now, I use an SMTP/POP3 client called The Bat. It works for me. And it NEVER runs attachments automatically. You can hold back viruses by just being careful and not running dodgy EMail clients. Another problem - the vast majority of windows users will use whatever comes on their computer. If outlook or outlook express comes with their computer, most users will not change to anything else. So your advice would likely fall on deaf ears. [snip] The advantage of Windows security is that there isn't any. Security doesn't get in the way, like it can do on Linux. The disadvantage is that there is no security and ANYONE can get at your files once they're in. The trick is to run behind internet security. Why do you think I've never been attacked or infected yet? I concluded that no matter how hard he tried, he would never be able to make Windows safe to use on the internet. You cannot make ANY machine safe to use on the Internet. Even with a firewall, there is a risk. The ony safe way is to be _disconnected_. You have to accept that if you're on the internet, you could be attacked. That Windows was designed by people who haven't a clue about security and that Virus Scanners are worthless CPU wasting piles of crap which while they make the operator feel good, they do nothing for your safety nor security when operating Windows. Windows was designed to be a consumer OS for people who don't want to bother with tedious stuff like security. That is at the same time a benefit and a disadvantage. actually, i believe it was designed to be a single-user, single-machine sort of os. So no need for security. Linux is a multi-user system and
Linux-Advocacy Digest #293
Linux-Advocacy Digest #293, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 08:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Opera (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Edward Rosten) Re: Getting used to Linux (Edward Rosten) Re: Getting used to Linux (Edward Rosten) Re: Getting used to Linux (Edward Rosten) Re: IBM Goes Gay (Edward Rosten) Re: IBM Goes Gay (Edward Rosten) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: The Win/userbase! (pip) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Ayende Rahien) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Ayende Rahien) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:28:06 +0100 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:16:44 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Zsolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... decades as usual. So, installing the required specific versions does _NOT_ impact other applications (that require other specific versions) at all! So, _you_ in XP might be just past that, but _we_ in Unix world have never been there (in DLL hell)... sorry to disappoint you! That only goes so far. When dealing with common libraries this can cause many problems. Consider an application which uses 3 libraries. liba, libb, and libc. The application and libb require liba version 3, but libc requires liba version 2. Therefore you install both liba3 and liba2 When you link the libraries together, only one version of liba will be linked in, and that will be liba version 3, because the libraries themselves don't have linkage information. Why would you only link in liba3? And I thought we were talking about dynamically linked libraries? libc breaks because it expects liba version 2, and isn't compatible with version 3. The more dependancies the libraries have, the more common this problem becomes. And the more mentally cripples you are, the more common this problem is. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:28:07 +0100 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:15:29 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Stuart Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Doskey can be loaded. How Type doskey at a command prompt. Hmmm... I never knew it could do that. Why isn't it documented? and command search, What do you mean? Searching for commands. Type Help Bad command or file name. Unless you have '.' in your path, which is by default not there as it makes it easier to run rogue programs. At least try and know something about what you're talking about before you come ranting and raving in here. I'm not ranting and raving at all, I'm just saying that using bash is not convienient for JOe User, who had enough trouble with DOS. I don't see how having command history, aliases, decent prompts, startup scripts etc is LESS convenient. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Opera Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:28:09 +0100 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:19:12 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Stuart Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:08:26 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Stuart Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... So Todd, what you are saying is if I wrote a piano concerto in E minor, and I sold manuscripts of it so that people could play it at home, some how, I am giving away my intellectual property? no, I am not. No, you're selling it. See the word sold in your sentence? Your point? He asked if he was giving away his IP when he's in fact selling it. Hence the word sold No, he's selling the manuscripts, not the IP*. * Please don't use that, it's so easy to think you're talking about IP when scanning the post. -- From: drsquare
Linux-Advocacy Digest #294
Linux-Advocacy Digest #294, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 08:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Ayende Rahien) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Ayende Rahien) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: Virus Scanners... (Nigel Feltham) From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:33:17 +0200 pip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Johansan wrote: snip but, ok, so that installs gnucash and it's very specific versions of libraries. But, um, what happened to your other applications that need other very specific versions of those same libraries? The other versions are still there. It's called versioning. It has worked just fine for a long time how. I can feel my hard disk creaking at the seems with this wonderful new code/space saving device called versioning IT SUCKS! You may as well use static compilation and put users out of their misery. HD is *way* cheaper than RAM, you know. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:36:24 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:mxCW6.293856$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Show me a setting in one of those text files you dislike so much, and I'll tell you exactly what it means, and what other choices for the setting are available. If I don't know I can find out in a few minutes. I defy you to do the same for registry entries of my choosing. Okay, this is interesting, care to give some registry entries like that? Let's limit it to things that come with Windows, because applications can do their own. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:39:30 +0200 Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Really? Then prove these links dont deface pages, and prove that m$ CANT add links to their pages from competitor's pages. prove that m$ wont remove the ability to turn smart tags. And, if you dont know that m$ plays by all the dirty tricks they can muster ,you havent been around too long, or you havent been paying attention. Prove me that they did. I've a kitchen with knifes in it, can you prove me that I CANT take one and kill a couple of people. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:40:25 +0200 Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Jun 2001 13:27:15 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because you're not intercepting pages, inserting your own links, then sending them off to millions of users. Neither do Smart Tags. You really should understand this before deciding that's it's evil. I have Windows XP here. It includes IE 6 with the Smart Tags feature. When was it released? Where can I get it from? You have to be a Beta Tester. Or MSDN subscriber. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:41:30 +0200 Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I wanted links to send people to differnt places in my page, I would provide them. IF I dont, I dont want some third party
Linux-Advocacy Digest #295
Linux-Advocacy Digest #295, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 09:13:13 EDT Contents: Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: The Win/userbase! (Nigel Feltham) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Richard Thrippleton) Re: Virus Scanners... ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Linux wins again (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Virus Scanners... (drsquare) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (drsquare) Re: IBM Goes Gay (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:12:32 GMT In article 9gfgnd$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I wanted links to send people to differnt places in my page, I would provide them. IF I dont, I dont want some third party sending people to places I have no control over. But it's not about you. It's about the *user*. We don't expect you to anticipate *every* thing that I might be interested in. Yes, it is about the web page author. There's no reason for all the words in a web site to be linked to dictionary definitions, thesaurus redefinitions, related news items, insider stock information, weather reports ... Yes there is. I often encounter words that I don't understand, or find something of interest that I would like to check. Why do you think that you have the right to prevent me from doing it? No one is saying you should be prevented from adding it. We're saying that Microsoft -- convicted for abusing their monopoly position -- should not. And there's even less reason for these links to be controlled by one company. But they aren't, anyone can add SmartTags. But MS controls the default tags. -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:13:14 GMT In article 9gfgpe$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's *my* computer. How I choose to display your web page is none of your business. You supply the defaults, I supply the customization. I'm fine with that, as long as it's really you doing it. What I object to is Microsoft (or anyone else) supplying new informational content in the form of additional hyperlinks on my web site. By they aren't! They are supply a mechanism for the user to do it. And also supply a stock of smart tags, there is nothing wrong with this. Read up a little bit on copyright law--specifically with regard to fair use. Now, try to explain how Microsoft's butchering of someone's web page falls within fair use. -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:15:05 GMT In article 9gfgp3$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither Google nor anonymizer changes the _content_ of pages. If they start changing the content, then they should be stopped. Smart Tags do not change the *content* of pages, either. It just presents more navigation options to the individual user. For a web page, hyperlinks are part of the content. But it doesn't add hyperlinks. It adds tags which are functionally equivalent to hyperlinks. Even Microsoft refers to them as 'extended hyperlinks'. The bottom line is that Microsoft is adding content to web pages without the author's permission - regardless of whether you
Linux-Advocacy Digest #296
Linux-Advocacy Digest #296, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 09:13:13 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Tim Smith) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Tim Smith) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (~¿~) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Quantum Leaper) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Tim Smith) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: 16 Jun 2001 05:26:12 -0700 Reply-To: Tim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 15 Jun 2001 09:35:02 -0500, Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, DLL Hell is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the front page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/): gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell. The executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of course, with the right version. I'm sorry but... har! har! har! Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not all of them. Sure, just upgrade Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are accustomed to this sort of problem. This is a completely different problem than DLL Hell. DLL Hell arose because different versions of a given DLL had the same name. Say Windows ships with foo.dll version 1.0. App X needs foo.dll version 1.1, so it installs 1.1. App Y needs foo.dll version 1.2, so it installs 1.2, which overwrites 1.1, since all three (1.0, 1.1, and 1.2) are named foo.dll. If 1.2 was incompatible in some way with 1.1, app X is now broken. The way Microsoft solved DLL Hell in Win2K is by not allowing X or Y to install a new foo.dll into the system directories. Instead, X installs foo.dll 1.1 in X's directory, and Y installs foo.dll 1.2 in Y's directory. X and Y each use the one they installed, so everyone is theoretically happy. Of course, this won't always work, but it is usually a vast improvement. In Linux, the shared library names include version information. E.g., if Windows worked the same way, there would be foo1.0.dll shipped with Windows, and app X would install foo1.1.dll, and app Y would install foo1.2.dll. The dependency nightmare this leads to is that you get some app that needs a later version of something you have. You get that, and it needs something else later than you have. Repeat until you are sick of downloading and installing later things. HOWEVER, unlike the case of Windows DLL Hell, installing those new things isn't breaking your old apps. Those are continuing on using the versions they were designed to use. In fact, in effect, the Linux way of handling shared libraries is basically the same as what Microsoft came up with--allow apps that need different versions of a library to each use the version they want, except the Linux version doesn't waste nearly as much disk space. The only reason you don't see the dependency problem in Windows is that there aren't a lot of libraries. Instead of putting stuff in 50 different small libraries, like the Unix world does, the Windows world would package that as 1 or 2 huge libraries. --Tim Smith -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: 16 Jun 2001 05:32:24 -0700 Reply-To: Tim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:38:45 +0200, Mig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Youre wrong here with MS guidelines... i recalll some installation combination of Exchange Client, MS Office and i think IE where it was virtually impossible to view web pages with IE. You want a real nightmare, try the Microsoft developer stuff. There have been times where installing a DDK would break building apps, for example. --Tim Smith -- Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service From: Tim Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:40:27 GMT in article PHwW6.2113$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Daniel Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 6/15/01 7:17 PM: Tim Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
Linux-Advocacy Digest #297
Linux-Advocacy Digest #297, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 10:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (You've got MALE.. sex organs!) Re: What does XP stands for ??? Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Cyberbear) Re: More microsoft innovation (Peter Hayes) Re: which OS is better to learn for an entry level job? (Matthew Gardiner) Is Linux for me? (Jack Tripper) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: Opera (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: MySQL? (Ian Pegel) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Edward Rosten) From: You've got MALE.. sex organs! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:08:14 -0600 I'm not convinced. Somehow thou doth protest too much, Aaron. Such blatant homophobia is often an over reaction to a latent homosexual tendency. All this conspicuous fear about getting AIDS in your salad! Your posts betray you, hypocrite. Look at your 12-year old mentality as exhibited by that fucking stupid sig! You think THAT is neat? And your comments about the military convince me that you've never done shit in the military.. Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: You've got MALE.. sex organs! wrote: Translation: AARON is a closet homosexual, which is why he makes such a big deal about trying to distance himself from it. Oh yes, the old fag anyone who opposes us is secretly one of us routine. There's a reason nobody ever believes that, fag.. Perhaps this is why he never gets any sex. I do...with WOMEN. Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Nutshell: Personal Responsibility. And it's quite obvious that gays don't have it. That's why a mere 1% of the population constitutes more than 50% of the AIDS cases. 1%? What fucking planet are you living on you? -- http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club I never said the 1% bullshit. Just correct the figure, most cases, in Eastern Europe, African and Asia are either hetro sex or drugs. Also, I was assuming thats what AK was trying to say in his frantic hetro-fit. translation: I, Matthew Gardiner, am a homosexual...who is trying to silence ANY AND ALL commentary against homosexual behavior. Unfortunately/fortunately AK doesn't live in reality. Supposedly that is because he went off to war like a good little boy, and somehow that makes him the judge, jury and executioner. I've actually always wondered whether AK was one of those kids that used to get beaten up all the time for acting like a dick head. Matthew Gardiner -- I am the blue screen of death nobody hears your scream's Sepo is a cockney term for yank, however, in New Zealand and Australia a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;) For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions: Seek and ye shall find -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my
Linux-Advocacy Digest #298
Linux-Advocacy Digest #298, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 12:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linuxstarts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Edward Rosten)
Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson)
Re: Is Linux for me? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes)
Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes)
Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Gary Hallock)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Carlie Coats)
Re: The Win/userbase! (Donn Miller)
Re: The Win/userbase! (Tim Cain)
Re: The Win/userbase! (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip)
Re: The Win/userbase! (pip)
Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip)
Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Michael Sims)
Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Ayende Rahien)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien)
Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes)
Re: Virus Scanners... (Ian Pegel)
Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien)
Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien)
Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien)
From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:56:43 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:49:00 +0200, Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:37:56 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Who controls the content of these added links?
The user.
How do they do this?
Read the SDK, and you'll know.
I'd imagine XP phones home and gets an updated list from Microsoft.
Want on the list? Pay Microsoft.
Peter
--
From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:03:02 +0100
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rotten168 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Edward Rosten wrote:
The US had radar, so a large, slow long range bomber would have been
spotted and shot down very quickly.
-Ed
True... the Japanese did have submarine lauchable planes however, but
I'm not sure if they could've carried something as big and heavy as
an A-bomb.
Good lord! i didn't know such things existed.
-Ed
Yes, but I think it was a recon-only plane. It had foldable wings and
landed on the the water. A search on Yahoo didn't really yield any good
links.
Never mind. Thanks for having a look.
-Ed
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From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:05:08 GMT
Tim Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
in article PHwW6.2113$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Daniel
Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 6/15/01 7:17 PM:
[snip]
That is what happens when you view a web page. It is downloaded
to your computer, and displayed. It is the same way with PDF.
Not really so. A web page is opened and displayed with a browser.
Yes.
The PFD file is opened with a PDF reader application. different animals.
No. Adobe Acrobat reader for Windows opens them in the same
browser window you used to navigate there- just like a web
page.
Thought strictly speaking neither the PDF viewer nor the
HTML renderer are 'applications'.
[snip]
which would merely displays the _file on my screen_ NOT a web page.
A web page *is* a file, you know. It's not the same format
as PDF, but it's still a file.
Certainly both are files. Handled differently by different applications.
Sort of. Does that mean that if I view your page with
Internet Explorer, it is a web page, but if I view it with
Netscape, it is not? Different applications, after all.
[snip]
That is not from the page whose URL is included
at the top of this message; it is from a previous page
which I refered to. This previous page is, indeed, in
HTML.
READ the line just below the word snip up above. YOU agreed that that page
WAS a PDF file (Sure it was.) and now
Linux-Advocacy Digest #300
Linux-Advocacy Digest #300, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 13:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when (Rotten168) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: Getting used to Linux (Mark) Re: Is Linux for me? (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Getting used to Linux (Mark) Re: Getting used to Linux (Mark) Re: Getting used to Linux (Mark) Re: Getting used to Linux (Mark) Re: Here's a switch for a change (Mark) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Chad Myers) Re: Is Linux for me? (Rotten168) Re: More microsoft innovation (Peter Hayes) From: Rotten168 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:04:47 GMT Chad Myers wrote: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Rotten168 wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Rotten168 wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Thaddius Maximus wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Well, well, lookie what we have here... another mullet rising up in the name of government handouts. As for US social problems vs. what's happening in Europe, I can vouch for the US not experiencing genocide within her borders like that which is taking place in Europe today. What country(s) may that be? Balkan countries. They aren't in the European Union and as a result donot come under the European Union's Humans Rights Act. Matthew Gardiner Regardless, it occurred and Europeans did nothing to stop it. THe holocast was occuring for years, business mean like Ford used forced labour in Germany during the war, yet the US did nothing about it. So, I'd say the US is tarnished with the same brush. Matthew gardiner No doubt... but no one is innocent. What's important is that it doesn't happen again. However, it seems the Jews haven't learnt. They sign a peace treaty with the palastinians, they two days later INVADE the territory, settle, then wonder why the palistinians are so pissed off! whats worse, the US does nothing about it! Hence the reason why the Palistinians believe the US is bias against them. What about when the Jews sign a cease fire then a Palestinian walks into a coffe shop with a bomb strapped to his chest. That's ok, right, because he wasn't a jew? The act of an individuals don't really count... unless it can be proven that he was under the orders of some group. -- - Brent General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault. - Darth Vader http://rotten168.home.att.net -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:05:22 +0200 Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... You'll get no argument from me :) Yes, Linux has many issues to address, such as a stardardised filesystem structure and configuration that is inforced the same way as UNIX is, either meet up to the stardard, or don't call yourself either Linux, Linux-based, or Linux-like OS. Standardised GUI structure, a standard created so that all applications can work across all desktops, no matter what GUI is running. Care to add any? I'll second those. Linux (and other Unixes) need a layer above X to handle the widgeting, on top of which the windows managers should sit. This should be built so the WM is transperent for the developer. This alone should free up resources of many developers that work on duplicate projects, but for different enviroments. It'll be nice if Bonobo wouldn't be limited to Gnome alone, too. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:52:31 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], robert$#-- wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare says... On 15 Jun 2001 03:02:25 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (mark34-@- [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Why did you buy a card with no Linux support, if as you say, you wanted to use Linux? Seems a bit unlikely to me. May be because he liked that specific card? So even if he liked it, he should buy it even though it wouldn't work? It seems that the card works. Er, no, it didn't work, that was my point. He said he wanted to use linux but bought a card with no linux support. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) Subject: Re: Is Linux for me? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:07:17 GMT In
Linux-Advocacy Digest #301
Linux-Advocacy Digest #301, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 13:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Cyberbear) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Chad Myers) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mark) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mark) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mark) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mark) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Cyberbear) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:15:52 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:48:06 +0200, Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:19:23 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... That's absolutely true -- and falls under the Fair Use Doctrine I already described to you. But for Microsoft to create a piece of software that automatically makes changes to the content does not. So it's not all-right for MS to create a browser where you can shut-down sound/javascript/images/ etc? That's not adding or changing content to the site. Try to tell it to the web designer. It's certainly changing content. It's only changing presentation. No links are altered. It's also entirely under your control. SmartTags aren't. Peter -- From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:02:52 GMT Michael Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On 16 Jun 2001 05:26:12 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith) wrote: The way Microsoft solved DLL Hell in Win2K is by not allowing X or Y to install a new foo.dll into the system directories. Instead, X installs foo.dll 1.1 in X's directory, and Y installs foo.dll 1.2 in Y's directory. X and Y each use the one they installed, so everyone is theoretically happy. Of course, this won't always work, but it is usually a vast improvement. Any links or FAQs as to how this works exactly? I'm curious. Does this depend on the application playing along (i.e. does it require the application to use Windows Installer, etc.). If I take 2 or 3 old Win32 apps (designed originally to run under Win9x) that I know have conflicts, is Win2K smart enough to intercept the installers and redirect the *.DLL's to different locations? http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/techart/dlldanger1.htm It's not always smart enough to reroute it to different locations, but it won't allow the installer to replace a system DLL which is probably the biggest reason for DLL Hell-type problems. -c -- From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:11:36 GMT Rotten168 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chad Myers wrote: Nick Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chad Myers wrote: Nick Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message Yeah, when Americans say liberal they mean something like socialist. They can't say socialist because they've already warped that to mean communist, which of course has been twisted to mean unamerican. Unfortunately, it leaves no word for them to describe what we would call liberals. Libertarians are almost there, but have some illiberal kinks. What? Libertarians are as far from liberals/communists as you can get. I'm really at loss how to respond to this post. My first thought was it was joke, and I laughed. Then I saw it was Chad and we all know that level of subtlety is well beyond him. Then I tried to frame a careful and thoughtful response,
Linux-Advocacy Digest #302
Linux-Advocacy Digest #302, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 13:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mark) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Rick) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (The Ghost In The Machine) PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance(Rotten168) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:42:28 -0400 Ayende Rahien wrote: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I wanted links to send people to differnt places in my page, I would provide them. IF I dont, I dont want some third party sending people to places I have no control over. But it's not about you. It's about the *user*. We don't expect you to anticipate *every* thing that I might be interested in. It IS about me, and my web page. -I- should be able to decide what is on my page, not micro$oft. And, maybe I dont care what you are interested in. Maybe I only care about my particular message. Why should *you* decide? Why should *I* decide? It's displayed on *my* system, I want those SmartTags, what right do you have to not allow me them? And if I want to use the MS stock tags, what right do you have to tell me not to? What right do you have to add tags to my page. If you dont want to look at it, find. Dont display it. You want smart tags. Fine. Add them to some page over which you have creative license. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:34:41 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article 9gdnp2$r6v$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Mig wrote: Jon Johansan wrote: Well, DLL Hell is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the front page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/): gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell. The executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of course, with the right version. I'm sorry but... har! har! har! Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not all of them. Sure, just upgrade Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are accustomed to this sort of problem. H... some end user app needs 60 libs and you talk about DLL hell What the heck.. ill program soem fancy hello world for Windows using 200 libs and break the record Maybe you should know a bit more about DLL Hell.. its not about the number of libraries but about the versions of the libraries installed. In particular, it was windows tendency to overwrite version x DLLs with version y DLLs, thus breaking packages which depended on version x. This all happens because there is no package management system. The first the user is likely to know about it is when they run up that now broken package for the first time, then have to spend the rest of the morning desperately finding a way of meeting that deadline now that their favourite project management package doesn't work any more. -- Mark Kent -- From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:45:16 -0400 Ayende Rahien wrote: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9gfgn9$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I wanted links to send people to differnt places in my page, I would provide them. IF I dont, I dont want some third party sending people to places I have no control over. But it's not about you. It's about the *user*. We don't expect you to anticipate *every* thing that I might be interested in. It IS about me, and my web page. -I- should be able to decide what is on my page, not micro$oft. And, maybe I dont care what you are interested in. Maybe I only care about my particular message. Why should *you* decide? Why should *I* decide? It's displayed on *my* system, I want those SmartTags, what right do you have to not allow me them? And if
Linux-Advocacy Digest #303
Linux-Advocacy Digest #303, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 14:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Peter Hayes) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mark) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Mark) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Michael Vester) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Donn Miller) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Mark) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Mark) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Mark) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Donn Miller) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (EnochsVision) Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:31:48 GMT In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:20:10 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither Google nor anonymizer changes the _content_ of pages. If they start changing the content, then they should be stopped. Smart Tags do not change the *content* of pages, either. It just presents more navigation options to the individual user. Dan It adds links that I DONT WANT ON MY PAGE. What dont you understand? If I want links to GM, Coca-Cola, or the Shah of Iran, I'll put them there. If I dont put three, I must not want them there... ON MY PAGE. MY PAGE. its not there for microSoft software to change. What... dont... you... understand??? There was once a controversy about one company suing a second company since the second company put links to the first company's page, without the first company's consent. Microsoft had better be extremely careful here. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here EAC code #191 1d:17h:08m actually running Linux. Linux. The choice of a GNU generation. -- From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:33:36 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:54:04 +1200, Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, you don't think that perhaps after the purchase that Bill began to make huge contributions to charity and education organizations and hence gained some of his reputation (outside of computer geeks) for this? AND so what? If YOU bought the encyclopedia britannica and it had your picture next to Wanker you wouldn't _suggest_ they change it in a way that doesn't actually alert some historical fact as opposed to some opinion? I mean, what right does Funk Wagnall have to publish their OPINION on Gates in an Encyclopedia which is supposed to impart unbiased and true facts. Then again - I don't see anything wrong with what was there originall. I would LOVE to be known as a tough competitor who seems to value winning in a competitive environment (anything bad with that? I think not) over money (and that makes it even better - a guy who cares more for competition instead of personal gain?). Damn, they should have left the original in there, made him sound cooler than just another rich guy giving away tons of cash money to the needy... I'm needy. :-) I need a new computer! Think Bill will give me a brand new SunBlade? goto www.xsnet.com and have a look at the ref. UNIX machines. The O2 w/ the video option is awsome, esp when capturing video w/ mpg compression on the fly. Something a Wintel b0x would choke over. Who are you kidding? Avid Symphony runs on a PII/III 400Mhz and captures broadcat quality video uncompressed. None of your Mpeg compressed rubbish there. Costs a bit more, mind... Alternatively, and for the cheaper option, Avid Media Composer running on an Apple Mac G4 can capture broadcast quality video at 2:1 to 5:1 compression depending on picture content. Even an Apple 8600/9600 (I think I have the numbers right) can. So Wintel boxes cope fine. Peter Probably one of the best investments I have made. Matthew Gardiner -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:23:57 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare wrote: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:36:02 +0900, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Osugi Sakae [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where does it get the packages from? And what if the
Linux-Advocacy Digest #304
Linux-Advocacy Digest #304, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 15:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Michael Vester) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Peter Hayes) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Peter Hayes) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:10:21 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:31:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote: There was once a controversy about one company suing a second company since the second company put links to the first company's page, without the first company's consent. http://www.gn.apc.org/duncan/879350548-shetland.html or http://www.jmk.su.se/global/global98/private/magnus/research/copy5.htm Microsoft had better be extremely careful here. Yeup. Peter -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:17:02 GMT If your computer is anything like mine, though, the reset button works wonders :) LShaping wrote: I knew this was going to happen. When I saw the When I press the power button on my computer option in Windows Millennium Power Options I knew that it was going to malfunction. Hello Microsoft. I use the power switch to shut down when Windows wont. Is there some logic in extending Windows dysfunctionallity to my computer's power switch? If I want to hasstle with Windows, isn't that what the Start Shut Down... path is for? Thanks to Microsoft for extending Windows slimey tenticles to my power supply. I can't wait to find out what PCHealth is going to do to my other hard disk partitions. :o/ -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) Subject: Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:05:35 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article 9gcloh$cjn$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Edward Rosten wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:40:02 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: thus making it unpleasant to drink, causing the stomach to bloat, and giving a 'full' feeling. Lager is good for one thing. It goes well with hot curries. It seems to be rather better than water at calming the heat, but other than that, I'd prefer a bitter or ale any day. What? NO beer goes well with curries. The flavours completely clash. ANY beer drunk with curry tastes like shit. Especially lager. We'll have to disagree with this one. Besides, it is traditional British food: lager and british curry. Bitter curry, that's okay. Not lager (at least, not the crap we get in the UK, anyway) -- Mark Kent -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:23:26 GMT In article 9gfkle$jm7$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:17:40 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Even if it's off by default and the user can turn it on, there's still the potential for vast abuse by Microsoft -- since they are the ones who set the default smart tags. To me, that's a much larger issue than whether it's on or off That is the most important issue, as far as I'm concerned. Who is in control of these additional hyperlinks? Not the web page publishers. The user. The web page author can add some XML to have his/her own SmartTags displayed, though. Like users are going to know how to do that. They can learn. You are aware that most users don't know what a compiler is, is that a reason
Linux-Advocacy Digest #305
Linux-Advocacy Digest #305, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 15:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (drsquare) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (drsquare) Re: Virus Scanners... (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (drsquare) Re: Is Linux for me? (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:48:35 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Woofbert wrote: In article 9gdm1k$35d$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. It should be something that you can _choose_ to install. It should not be installed by default. It's off by default. In this version. When does the option get turned on by default? When does the option to turn it off disappear? AND, it should not be something that a monopoly controls. Even if you choose to install it, it's unethical (at best) for Microsoft to be able to create the smart links where they could create a link to their own site every time the word Macintosh appears or a link to the American Cancer Society every time Linux appears or other shenanigans. All MS does is to supply a stock of words for the smart tags. You, and anybody else, can add your own. Cool off with the paranoia. I can add my own to my own browser but not to anyone else's. The initial stock of words and URLs is determined by Microsoft ... not by the web page author. I can just imagine - the word 'Linux' appears, and we get a diatribe of Microsoft's senior exec lies linked to, 'Microsoft' appears and we get, err, what, exactly? This whole proposal is outrageous. It's very much in the 'embrace, extend, destroy' vein of Microsoft's, without a doubt. This time, they're actually attemping to manipulate the content of other people's publications. -- Mark Kent -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:05:12 +0100 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:50:01 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Rich Soyack [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I do...with WOMEN. Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you know your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially? What is the risk of infection, for a man, from vaginal sex? From anal sex, with the man being the receiver? Receiving a blow job? Giving one? I never see these statistics published anywhere? Because there's no reliable way of finding it out. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:05:13 +0100 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:45:08 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (pip [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but, ok, so that installs gnucash and it's very specific versions of libraries. But, um, what happened to your other applications that need other very specific versions of those same libraries? The other versions are still there. It's called versioning. It has worked just fine for a long time how. I can feel my hard disk creaking at the seems with this wonderful new code/space saving device called versioning IT SUCKS! You may as well use static compilation and put users out of their misery. What the fuck? You must have an extremely small hard disk. My 1GB has countless libraries on and there's plenty of room. Rather that than to have my RAM crunched up. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun
Linux-Advocacy Digest #306
Linux-Advocacy Digest #306, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 16:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (drsquare) Re: GREAT DISCOVERY!!! (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (jet) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (jet) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rich Soyack) Re: The Win/userbase! (Pete Goodwin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Marada C. Shradrakaii) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rich Soyack) Re: The Win/userbase! (pip) Re: Is Linux for me? (Jack Tripper) Re: The Win/userbase! (Pete Goodwin) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Ray1234) Re: The Win/userbase! (Pete Goodwin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Mark) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Donn Miller) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Mark) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:05:42 +0100 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:46:01 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)) wrote: I spent about 4 hours on the phone recently with a user, talking them through downloading some strange foundation classes library; the package they'd downloaded failed with the most arcane error message I've had to listen to. I web searched and found a stack of sites on the internet specialising in having a huge range of downloads available to get windows packages working. I then had to talk him through making a backup copy of the library incase the thing failed, rebooting into 'dos' mode, copying the new file over the old one in the system directory, and then rebooting back into 'windows' mode. What a nightmare. Never happened with me. What was he trying to install? The linux version just installed and worked, what's more, it contained dependency info built it, in case there was a problem, so that it could be easily sorted, unlike the mess that was windows. Just installed? You mean you didn't have to worry about dependencies, conflicts, libraries etc? You must be using a very strange distribution. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GREAT DISCOVERY!!! Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:05:41 +0100 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:37:34 +0800, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (UNO [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Have a look at www.drho.com is a live casino with its REAL dealers over video and REAL live games - no more playing against the random number generators or the computer. And from 6 July to 8 July, www.drho.com also offers the internet's first world BlackJack tournament and US$10,000 is waiting you to be won. It's fun to play and easy to win!!! So enjoy your visit to www.drho.com! And probably rigged. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:05:44 +0100 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:57:46 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:40:37 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Try http://www.linmodems.org/ They call 'em linmodems. Maybe you'll find what you're looking for here. I had a look there, but it's a complete maze. Almost impossible to find a modem listed. Gosh, searching is so hard? I did search, and it came up with a complete maze of information. Impossible to find what I was looking for. -- From: jet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:05:46 -0700 You've got MALE.. sex organs! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm not convinced. Somehow thou doth protest too much, Aaron. Such blatant homophobia is often an over reaction to a latent homosexual tendency. All this conspicuous fear about getting AIDS in your salad! Your posts betray you, hypocrite. Look at your 12-year old mentality as exhibited by that fucking stupid sig! You think THAT is neat? What do you have against 12 year olds? J -- From: jet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:07:12 -0700 Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... jet wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
Linux-Advocacy Digest #307
Linux-Advocacy Digest #307, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 16:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Mark) Re: Getting used to Linux (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Mark) Re: Is Linux for me? (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Anderson Lie) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (jet) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (jet) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Bob Hauck) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Bob Hauck) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Mark) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Mark) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Fernandinande Le Mur) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ayende Rahien) Re: The Win/userbase! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:08:32 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] , GreyCloud wrote: Peter Hayes wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:30 GMT, T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said Form@C in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:09:58 GMT; T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip That is impossible. Apple makes hardware; you can't be predatory in a software market if you are only making money selling hardware. Apple has always had a great balance between compatibility and proprietary value-add, I think. snip Isn't it suprising how quickly Apple supporters (in particular) have forgotten Apples past dirty tricks? Remember the hard-sector disks that Apple kept using for years after everyone else (almost) had ditched them? No, I don't. When was that? Instead of identifying sectors in software as happens when you format a floppy, Apple's hard sectored disks had a series of holes, generally 16 of them, to identify the sectors. Wozniak did it that way because he didn't have the cash for disk controller hardware. ... Apple has always had a great balance between compatibility and proprietary value-add, I think. Doesn't matter how many times you say it Max, it doesn't make it true. Apple have shafted just as many people as Microsoft, the only difference being that Apple's victims were the little guy and Microsoft took on the big boys. Peter I dont' recall any holes in any floppy disk I used to have on my Apple II. The sector writing and positioning was all done in software on two proms on the disk controller. When I purchased UCSD pascal for it I also received two new proms. Err, apple's are renowned for it, the CPM ones, at least! -- Mark Kent -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:55:51 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare wrote: On 15 Jun 2001 19:38:14 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (tom@nowhere [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare says... And for important things, like stability, efficiency, and functionality, windows remains a few generations behind linux. I think win2k is very stable. Are you saying that win2k stability is few generations behind linux? win2k? Sorry, but I'm just an average user who wants to surf the web, write a few documents etc, and therefore I am left with what's preinstalled: winME. I don't know what an OS is, let alone how to get win2k. Friend of mine tried to install win2k on his win98 machine. It didn't recognise his hardware. He went to the web-page for his graphics card, but they didn't have a driver, and weren't expecting one for some time. He gave up, he uses Linux now. -- Mark Kent -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:54:09 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article 9gfk7k$j1h$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien wrote: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9gfgp8$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... That's absolutely true -- and falls under the Fair Use Doctrine I already described to you. But for Microsoft to create a piece of software that automatically makes changes to the content does not. So it's not all-right for MS to create a browser where you can shut-down sound/javascript/images/ etc? Not showing all of the content is different
Linux-Advocacy Digest #308
Linux-Advocacy Digest #308, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 17:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: IBM Goes Gay (.) Re: Is Linux for me? (Jack Tripper) Re: IBM Goes Gay (.) Re: IBM Goes Gay (.) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: Is Linux for me? (David Dorward) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rich Soyack) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rich Soyack) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) Re: More microsoft innovation (Mark) Re: More microsoft innovation (Mark) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mark) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:54:04 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL---No one has ever suggested that it goes through Microsoft's servers. But Microsoft's software does change the structure of the web page by adding hyperlinks that the author never intended. Microsoft is clearly involved. PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH *YOUR* THICK SKULL--- I can make more structural changes to a page by changing fonts, colors, turning off graphics and sounds. Hell, I can use a text-only browser. Is the author of my text-only browser involved in a copyright issue? No, but those things do not change the content. Changing the content is copyright. Markup language does not define *exactly* how something should be displayed, it provides hints. The content, however, is the same irrespective of how the rendering is done. 'extended hyperlinks' are additional to the hyperlinks the original author intended. They are likely to link to information the author did not intend to link to. The information is originally provided by Microsoft, not the author. You do not see what the author intended you to see, you see what Microsoft intended to be done with the author's information. This is a major copyright issue. Dan -- Mark Kent -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:54:58 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article uKyW6.15644$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL---No one has ever suggested that it goes through Microsoft's servers. But Microsoft's software does change the structure of the web page by adding hyperlinks that the author never intended. Microsoft is clearly involved. PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH *YOUR* THICK SKULL--- I can make more structural changes to a page by changing fonts, colors, turning off graphics and sounds. Hell, I can use a text-only browser. Is the author of my text-only browser involved in a copyright issue? NONE of your examples changes the content of the page -- or adds hyperlinks. This is something new. They look like hyperlinks. They act like hyperinks. They are... Actually, they don't look like hyperlinks, nor do they act like them. When I hover over a hyperlink, it doesn't give me a button to press to bring up a new window with the link in it. That sounds exactly like hyperlinking to me. -- Mark Kent -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:58:53 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article m8AW6.15708$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article uKyW6.15644$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NONE of your examples changes the content of the page -- or adds hyperlinks. This is something new. They look like hyperlinks. They act like hyperinks. They are... Actually, they don't look like hyperlinks, nor do they act like them. When I hover over a hyperlink, it doesn't give me a button to press to bring up a new window with the link in it. So when you hover over one of
Linux-Advocacy Digest #309
Linux-Advocacy Digest #309, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 17:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Peter Hayes) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Stuart Fox) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: Is Linux for me? (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Bob Hauck) From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:27:03 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:07:04 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Hayes wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:34 GMT, T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that Windows is monopoly crapware in no way indicates that millions of people have not successfully used it as an OS on their PC. It isn't the numbers, it is the proportions, that damn the product as monopoly crapware. Eh? Are you saying that just because something is used by 95% of its target market then it automatically becomes monopoly crapware? Monopoly, yes. Crapware? That's down to the individual product. No, he didn't say that. Reads like that to me. Whatever Microsoft's faults, they've established a product that has resulted in dirt cheap hardware. No, that was a result of IBM making the PC designs open. No, it's software that sells. A computer without software is like a car with no petrol, just so much scrap metal. Of course the hardware design being open helped, Compaq cloning the BIOS helped, but it was having apps that people wanted to run, plus no-one ever got fired for buying IBM that established Microsoft. Plus, of course, their dirty tricks department. Given time and the economic motivation someone would have cloned the IBM hardware anyway. Being open just saved time and money. Do you think for one minute that there would be a games market on any personal computer if Windows 9.x hadn't happened? The computer games market has existed since the days of 8-bit computers. That was pre Sega and Nintendo. Yes, you're right, there would be some computer games, but not the market we have today. ... To buy a graphics card with 32 meg of ram and a GPU capable of billions of tl calculations/second would set you back tens of thousands of dollars instead of about 100. To buy even a card capable of up to 24 bit colour at 1024x768 would be hundreds, instead of which that is now a sub entry level specification. This is hypothetical, total, speculation. Of course it is, but one of the high-end Oxygen cards would set you back thousands only four or five years ago. You can get the equivalent for under 100 today. Extrapolate from that. I conclude that with the economies of scale, combined with one dominant platform, the drive for ever faster gaming and intense competition between manufacturers (as you say, because the hardware standard is open) we have incredibly powerful hardware at rock bottom prices. Microsoft provided that dominant platform in their quest for world domination. They've done little else good, and this current SmartTags controversy is another example of them at their worst, but at least most people can exchange files and data with little hassle. Peter -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:29:08 -0400 drsquare wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:39:01 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Perhaps this is why he never gets any sex. I do...with WOMEN. Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you know your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially? Which is also going against all the right-wing idealism he seems to favour so much. false premise. I'm NOT right wing. Right wing and Left-wing political views are BOTH a form of SOCIALISM and...since I'm a libertarian, and libertarians are opposed to socialism in ALL forms, that means that I am opposed to right-wingers just as strongly as left-wingers. Hope that helps, you politically illiterate MORON. -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #310
Linux-Advocacy Digest #310, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 17:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Bob Hauck) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Stuart Fox) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Ayende Rahien) Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Stuart Fox) Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Stuart Fox) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: Is Linux for me? (Mig) Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Richard Thrippleton) Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) Subject: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:44:07 GMT On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:09:19 +0200, Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B All that it need, in nearly all cases, is a recompile of the application to IA-64 to get it to work on it in reasonable speed. So they aren't going to change API's, create new API's, and obsolete old API's like they did going from Win16 to Win32? Hell, they introduced the whole message cracking business in order to paper over the changes in the way message parameters were packed, which by itself made sure that you had to go through all of your code and fix things. My point is that just a recompile was also promised for Win16-Win32, but it turned out to be a lot more work than that because they API's were not designed with portability or growth in mind. Many Linux apps, OTOH, are _already_ running on 64-bit CPU's and have been for years. The problems are already solved, IOW. -- -| Bob Hauck -| To Whom You Are Speaking -| http://www.haucks.org/ -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:40:19 GMT In article 9gfgpe$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's *my* computer. How I choose to display your web page is none of your business. You supply the defaults, I supply the customization. I'm fine with that, as long as it's really you doing it. What I object to is Microsoft (or anyone else) supplying new informational content in the form of additional hyperlinks on my web site. By they aren't! They are supply a mechanism for the user to do it. And also supply a stock of smart tags, there is nothing wrong with this. I don't know how you got this far in this conversation without reading and thinking about the objections we've been making to the idea of someone other than the author adding hyperlinks to a displayed web page. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:41:22 GMT In article 9gfkm2$jm7$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:21:07 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's *my* computer. How I choose to display your web page is none of your business. You supply the defaults, I supply the customization. I'm fine with that, as long as it's really you doing it. What I object to is Microsoft (or anyone else) supplying new informational content in the form of additional hyperlinks on my web site. By they aren't! They are supply a mechanism for the user to do it. And also supply a stock of smart tags, there is nothing wrong with this. How is the user going to know how to do this? He can *read* about it in the smart tags SDK. I won't know houw you can expect an end-user to read documentation intended for developers (what does SDK stand for?). -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web
Linux-Advocacy Digest #311
Linux-Advocacy Digest #311, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 18:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: Is Linux for me? (Charlie Ebert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ralph Miguel Froehlich) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Zsolt) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: More microsoft innovation (Peter Hayes) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: The Win/userbase! (Pete Goodwin) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Pete Goodwin) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ayende Rahien) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:58:25 GMT In article 9gfkle$jm7$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:17:40 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Even if it's off by default and the user can turn it on, there's still the potential for vast abuse by Microsoft -- since they are the ones who set the default smart tags. To me, that's a much larger issue than whether it's on or off That is the most important issue, as far as I'm concerned. Who is in control of these additional hyperlinks? Not the web page publishers. The user. The web page author can add some XML to have his/her own SmartTags displayed, though. Like users are going to know how to do that. They can learn. You are aware that most users don't know what a compiler is, is that a reason why compilers shouldn't exist? Now I'm convinced that you're just being contrary. Your own argument goes like this: 1. The web page author can add some XML to have his/her own SmartTags displayed, though. 2. [users] can learn [how to do that]. Lunacy! You said the author can use XML to do something, and rebutted a rebuttal by saying that the users can learn how to do it! -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) Subject: Re: Is Linux for me? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:04:12 GMT Is Linux for me? YES! What kind of Linux should I run. Well, certainly try Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, YellowDog, Slackware, ahh, Then come on home to Debian the largest distribution on the face of the planet. Debian is a lean mean 8,000 some odd packages by now. Never leave home without your Debian install disks. NEVER! -- Charlie === -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:03:21 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:21:51 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Really? Microsoft isn't a third party? No, it doesn't get involved in this at all. Then who supplies the links So when I view a web page using MSIE with Smart Tags, there are only two parties? Yes, the user, and the page author. No where along the line it's going through MS' servers and being changed. IE6 gives the user the ability to display some words in a special manner. MS supply stock implementation of this. Ahah, so you admit MS IS deciding on the links. It's obvious you haven't used the Beta. In the Beta, there are no smart tags at all; you have to add them in all by yourself, using the XDK. You can turn the feature on, but nothing happens to any of the displayed pages until you add your own list of words and related URLs. }: ) If it were any different ... say, if Microsoft were to actually supply the Beta with a preset list of smart tags, then Microsoft would be adding content to web pages that the authors didn't put there, and that would be a violation of the browser's integrity.}: ) -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web
Linux-Advocacy Digest #312
Linux-Advocacy Digest #312, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 18:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Peter Hayes) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Fernandinande Le Mur) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Peter Hayes) Re: Is Linux for me? (Jack Tripper) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Lars Poulsen) Re: Is Linux for me? (Jack Tripper) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Lars Poulsen) From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:19:29 +0200 Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9gfk7p$j1h$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MS provides a mechanism to add smart tags to the page. It also provides a sotck implementation. The user can choose to use it or not, as well as to use MS' implementation, Mr. X's or his own. What is your problem here? That MS provides a stock implementation? Have you been following thus argument at tall? That's what we've been complaining about since the start! And your problem is that you fear that this stock implementation will link Linux to cancer, etc? Since it doesn't do any such thing, I fail to see the reason for this reaction. You give MS too much credit for what they can get away with. -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:24:47 GMT In article 9gfk7b$j1h$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MS provides me with the tools to do so. I don't have the time/money/incentive to create this myself, why would MS be prevented from implementing this? The smarttags aren't hard-coded, they can be changed by the user, Which the user has to read some obscure DSK to find out how to do. and by the page author. Which adds extra work for some new sort of hyperlink which will only work on one sort of browser. Why are you object to this? Because MS has a stock smart tags? Yes, and becase there is no sort of provenance for the set of tags. Who knows what Ministry of Information generates them. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:21:05 +0200 Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9gfkm2$jm7$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien How is the user going to know how to do this? He can *read* about it in the smart tags SDK. I won't know houw you can expect an end-user to read documentation intended for developers (what does SDK stand for?). Software Development Kit -- From: Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:18:11 -0500 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article VPsW6.15192$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch wrote: Well, considering that it doesn't insert a new link into your page, then I A hyperlink is added to the page. In fact, loads could be. Ones which were not intended by the original author. No, a hyperlink is *NOT* added to the page. Certain words are given Smart Tags, which act entirely differently than hyperlinks. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:22:23 +0200 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Microsoft should not be attempting to censor and manipulate information between information providers and their audience.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #313
Linux-Advocacy Digest #313, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 18:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Is Linux for me? (Jack Tripper) Re: The Win/userbase! (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Erik Funkenbusch) From: Jack Tripper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Linux for me? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:09:12 -0500 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:11:52 +0100, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that on Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:28:07 +0100, someone claiming to be Jack Tripper [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed this: I've read quite a bit about Linux, it seems to be quite a bit more stable, and the applications look configurable (to me). I mostly like to use my computer for internet stuff - writing web pages, random surfing, email, stuff like that. I also use it for mp3s. Linux Office applications are not as strong as Windows, but from what you say it sounds like what there is will do you nicely. A few quick questions if anyone wishes to answer: How big are the varieties of Linux? (again, I'm thinking maybe redhat) It depends! A full install of Red Hat 7.1 takes up about a gig and a half (I think) but you don't need all of that. Is there a nice GUI HTML interface program available for Linux? I'm not sure what you mean? Do you mean a web based administarion system to set up use accounts, configure mail/web servers and lots of other things along those lines? If so then there is webmin which is excellent. I don't think its included with Red Hat, but it isn't a very large download. On the other hand if you mean a WYSIWYG HTML editor, then no there isn't - but there isn't one for Windows either. What people call WYSIWYG is really (in an HTML context) just WYSIWY-nearly-G and the only editor I would even consider using is Dreamweaver which is very expensive. I find it easier to code by hand, and there are lots of tools to make it easy to write raw HTML. I should of put 'editor' in there. I like to use crappy WYSIWY(almost)G stuff like Netscape Composer for the basic layout and then I go to notepad to put in all the fancy javascript stuffI know netscape makes it's browsers, news readers, and email clients for Linux do they also make the N.Composer for Linux? I realize I may be offensive to some of you, I'm saying I'm ignorant with web page writing and I want to stay that way, obviously if I have to sit down, bite the bullet and code by hand I will do that, and probably make better web pages for it. But I maintain so many that Netscape Composer is really useful for all the crappy stuff, putting in some links, taking out some links... I know some people have both Windows AND Linux on their hard drives, using a partition. My hard drive is all but 8.4 megs. Should I even bother trying to keep Windows? It would be a very tight squeeze, you can get away with less disk space for Linux then Windows but I'd still give it about 6gig - which wouldn't leave much for Windows at all. If you plan to switch its probably a good idea to keep Windows to hand for an emergancy, so if you can afford it I would invest in a second hard disk to install Linux to. I think I will get another disc drive, an external one. Thank you for your help! This has been a really helpful NG. = www.benalto.com www.mp3.com/benalto Kids start smoking! -Paul Westerberg Alcohol Rules! -graffiti in downtown, Des Moines, Iowa Dont tell me how to waste my time -The Fuses www.geocities.com/the_zep_files www.granthart.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] As always, CDR trading is cool shit - http://cdrtrades.benalto.com/ Vive le Gortician! www.mp3.com/gortician www.benalto.com/songoftheday.html This sig file brought to you by the letter 'R' Oh yeah grandma, I'll come and visit But I won't be coming alone I'll bring a whore And you can watch me fuck her -Dirty Pete ROCK! = -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:39:09 +0200 Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9gge34$r02$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Um, double clicking on a JPEG runs the associated viewer, not the JPEG itself. And if that viewer is NS, it *could* cause damage. How so? There is a buffer overflow in NS JPEG viewing code up to 4.73. This allows you to execute arbitry code by using the comment field. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 20:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Chad Myers) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Chad Myers) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: More microsoft innovation (Peter Hayes) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: The Win/userbase! (pip) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Jerome Chan) Re: Just For Fun (Rex Ballard) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Jerome Chan) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Bill Todd) From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:32:25 GMT Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gge3a$r02$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:%nLW6.41035$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gfgme$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Seán Ó Donnchadha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:vXwW6.1409$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: First of all, DLL Hell doesn't mean a ton of libraries; it means a ton of libraries THAT INSTALL OVER EACHOTHER (like MFC40.DLL, for instance). The Unix scenario is exactly the same, except that it wastes disk space on no-longer-used minor library revisions. It doesn't matter how many versions of libfoo.so.1.* are on the disk, because the libfoo.so.1 symbolic link can only point at one of them. Hmm, does Linux has something like a repharse point? That would allow all applications to link to foo.so.1 and get the minor version that they are expecting. You mean reparse point, not repharse. I keep having trouble remembering how to spell that. I wasn't sure if you were just misspelling it, or if it was a play on words, seeing as how pharse could mean farce, as though somehow reparse points didn't exist =) And yes, it's called a symbolic link. I don't think so, can a symbolic link call to an arbitry program that would then decide what input to feed the program that called it? Can reparse points do this? -c -- From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:33:54 GMT Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:o4RW6.16849$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well, do so. Press the button for 5 seconds. That's the way it's designed. I believe with ACPI 2.x compliant BIOSes, you can configure what the power button does. I've seen several systems where you can have it act as sleep mode, hibernate, or act like an old fashioned power button. But in all cases, holding it for 3-5 seconds will shut it down, no questions asked. -c LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... My computer's Basic Input/Output Service settings and Windows settings are correct, as always. Microsoft has disabled the power switch in certain circumstances in an effort to cope with Windows technical problems. When I want to turn off my computer, I would like to use my computer's power switch to do so. LShaping -- Microsoft is going to court today. Anderson Lie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tried holding the power switch down for 5 seconds? many of the newer ATX boards uses the power switch as a suspend switch as well (which the OS could very well ignore if set that way) and a 5 seconds press would activate the hardware switch. Anderson Lie LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I knew this was going to happen. When I saw the When I press the power button on my computer option in Windows Millennium Power Options I knew that it was going to malfunction. Hello Microsoft. I use the power switch to shut down when Windows wont. Is there some logic in extending Windows dysfunctionallity to my computer's power switch? If I want to hasstle with Windows, isn't that what the Start Shut Down... path is for? Thanks to Microsoft for extending Windows slimey tenticles to my power supply. I can't wait to find out what PCHealth is going to do to my other hard disk partitions. :o/ -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:45:26 GMT In article 9ggl7j$7qd$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
Linux-Advocacy Digest #317
Linux-Advocacy Digest #317, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 22:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Shane Phelps) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Dave Martel) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Lars Poulsen) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Chris Street) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Chris Street) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) ZD Net -Win user comments. (Charlie Ebert) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (flatfish+++) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Chris Street) Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) From: Shane Phelps [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:13:05 +1100 Ayende Rahien wrote: Shane Phelps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Both points apply to *any* libraries. The real advantage of runtime linking (DLL or .so) is that changes are reflected (more-or-less) immediately in the applications which use those libraries. It can also be a fatal flaw, of course. I can see the point of judiciously used versioning, but there doesn't seem to be much benefit of versions beyond a major release level.Any deeper versioning seems to negate the main advantage of runtime linking, so you might as well use static libraries. Versioning makes a lot of sense with static libraries. No, another advantage of shared libraries is that they *save* memory. Doing every static has sever affects on your RAM consumtion. Not always. A good static linker will discard all the objects which aren't referenced so you can actually get a quite small memory footprint. One of the worst things I've seen is a library which was generated by a CASE tool and had horrendous amounts of unitialised data. This was used by an average of 3 instances each of 50 applications, so needless to say it blew the memory requirements right out. We relinked everything statically and brought the memory requirements right down. Poor design and implementation can make a mess of most things. The problem with foolproof systems is that fools are so ingenious :-( -- From: Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:08:12 -0600 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:09:19 +0200, Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... MS better start cracking the whip if they want to keep up with linux. A Most of windows applications would work on IA-64 without even a recompile. They will be slow as hell, probably, but they will work. Kind of like linux users running Windows apps on VMWare? g B All that it need, in nearly all cases, is a recompile of the application to IA-64 to get it to work on it in reasonable speed. That application, of course, wouldn't take advantage of what IA-64 has to offer, though. But I don't think that many of SuSe's application does it either. Hard to know since I don't have an IA-64 or the 64-bit version of SuSE. However, given the linux tradition of portability it should be an easy port. If SuSE hasn't already done it, somebody else will bery soon. -- From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:14:36 GMT drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:05:08 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip] The PFD file is opened with a PDF reader application. different animals. No. Adobe Acrobat reader for Windows opens them in the same browser window you used to navigate there- just like a web page. How come all the PDF readers seem to be made by Adobe? They aren't. But Adobe's is a nice one, and it is free. [snip] So show me a PDF web page that display in MY browser! I am not responsible for the deficiencies of your browser. Is your browser deficient because it doesn't show other private formats? PDF is not a private format; it's used for making things publically available. Perhaps you meant proprietary? In any case, my browser may well be deficient in some format; I am not aware of it if it is, btu there are surely a lot of formats out there. -- Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:16:40
Linux-Advocacy Digest #318
Linux-Advocacy Digest #318, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 23:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Chad Myers) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Colin Day) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Linux Man) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Colin Day) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: Opera (Colin Day) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Bill Todd) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:08:29 GMT In article OvQW6.16844$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it is clickable text, otherwise its simply a reference (such as a bibliography). To be a hyperlink it has to provide the mechanism to go to somewhere else. So you're telling us that SmartTags do not provide the mechanism to go to somewhere else? -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:11:44 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article 9gfgp3$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither Google nor anonymizer changes the _content_ of pages. If they start changing the content, then they should be stopped. Smart Tags do not change the *content* of pages, either. It just presents more navigation options to the individual user. For a web page, hyperlinks are part of the content. But it doesn't add hyperlinks. It adds features on a displayed web site which, when appropriately manupilated, take you to other web sites. It completely baffles me why you think that they are not hyperlinks. It baffles me even more why anyone cares whether they're called hyperlinks or not? Even if they were called Green Eggs and Spam, it is still a case of adding content to a web site which has not requested it. -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:12:53 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sandman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think it is an option you have to turn ON or turn OFF? :) If it is, indeed, an option you can turn ON, you as a user, have the right to want to turn it on and it is fine. However, if it is an option ON from the beginning, MS has choosen the default behaviour of the browser and only the minority will turn it off, or even will know how. :) It *is* an option, and it is OFF by default. I had to find it and turn it ON. Dan This option should require the agreement of the information provider as well as the recepient. Microsoft should seek the permission of all content publishers regarding their proposal to censor, manipulate or change the content of their publications. If they cannot get everyone's agreement, this option should be removed. I wouldn't even mind if it were something that the web page author could turn on -- that is, the browser couldn't do it unless the web page you're viewing specifically allowed it. Of course, I doubt if very many authors would bother to turn it on, but that's Microsoft's problem. -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:12:01 GMT In article FRQW6.16848$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9gfk7b$j1h$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MS provides me with the tools to do so. I don't have the time/money/incentive to create this myself, why would MS be prevented from implementing this? The smarttags aren't hard-coded, they can be changed by
Linux-Advocacy Digest #319
Linux-Advocacy Digest #319, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 00:13:03 EDT Contents: Strictly Linux distributions? (citizen) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mayor Of R'lyeh) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance(GreyCloud) Re: Is Linux for me? (Osugi Sakae) Re: The Win/userbase! (Glitch) Re: The Win/userbase! (Glitch) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (GreyCloud) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: The Win/userbase! (Glitch) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (GreyCloud) Re: The Win/userbase! (Osugi Sakae) Re: The Win/userbase! (Glitch) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Osugi Sakae) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: spot the guy who doesn't get screwed by incompetants. (Aaron R. Kulkis) From: citizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Strictly Linux distributions? Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:08:51 GMT Hello I bought two 7.1 Linux RPM-based distributions, both of which use their own, modified versions of the Linux 2.4.2 kernel but both of which will now have to be upgraded to the Linux 2.4.5 kernel to be of much use to me. However, neither of the respective distibutors exhibits any any interest in helping me do that at this time. (They both seem to be becoming more like Microsoft all the time.) I can of course compile the Linux 2.4.5 sources myself, but I am forced to wonder if the new kernel will be compatible with the rest of the old systems. This is a mess even to try to talk about. What I would like is a Strictly Linux distribution that does not modify whichever version of *THE* Linux kernel it uses. Is there anything like that available? Thank you. -- From: Mayor Of R'lyeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:08:04 -0500 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:21:11 GMT, Jerome Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] chose to bless us with this bit of wisdom: What is the use of SmartTags? Whatever the original intent was, their effect in this group has been to cause a masive belching of hot air and a huge upturn in the number of black helicopter sightings by the Maccies. 8) -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:33:38 -0700 Chad Myers wrote: Anthony Neville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9geli8$2621$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chad Myers wrote: How so, or how not so? -c I've got a good example for how not so... in the State of Wash. we have the initiative right to put an issue up for vote ... if we get enough signatures on an initiative it goes on the next ballot. We voted to rescind a lot of local taxes here and it passed. However, the opposition forces, mainly composed of liberals and tax happy conservatives That's an oxymoron. I don't think I've ever seen a tax happy conservative. Simple... they are liberals in conservative clothing... look at Jeffords! took it to court saying it was unconstitutional. So much for Power to the People. There's liberals for you. All about taking power away from the people and handing it to government. Want to buy a 1.5 gal flush toilet? Nope, can't do that. The liberals say it's not environmentally friendly. I wonder why socialists are called liberals? Usually it's the other way around. -c -- V -- From: Osugi Sakae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Linux for me? Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:37:12 +0900 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack Tripper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm seriously considering moving my computer over to linux. I thought maybe redhat, since a fair number of people seem to use that and there would be plenty of support. I see good reasons why I should and shouldn't go to linux. I should because: I really don't like Windows. I'm tired of upgrading and upgrading and watching my computers get less and less stable. Maybe I shouldn't. though? I'm quite willing (and able, I think) to learn how to use Linux. I've used Unix OS before but just as a university student where the hardest thing I had to do was use PINE, or mv blim.wav sounds/stupid and stuff like that. I've read quite a bit about Linux, it seems to be quite a bit more stable, and the applications look configurable (to me). I mostly like to use my computer for internet stuff - writing web pages, random surfing, email, stuff like that. I also use it for mp3s. A few quick questions if anyone wishes to answer: How big are the varieties of Linux? (again, I'm
Linux-Advocacy Digest #320
Linux-Advocacy Digest #320, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 01:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: Strictly Linux distributions? (Ayende Rahien) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Ayende Rahien) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Ayende Rahien) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Ayende Rahien) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Ayende Rahien) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (green) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (green) Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (green) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:33:57 -0700 Ayende Rahien wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've already tried. Product is too old for them to update and I can't download 175Mb of sp5 down over a 28.8 link. I was even willing to spend a mere $5 on a CD and MS refused because I didn't renew my msdn subscription. I will move over to Metrowerks in due time as its found on a lot of different platforms. I got as far as https://dm.one.microsoft.com/PIDValidation.asp, as I don't have VC installed on this computer. Where does it says that you need to have MSDN subscription? It says that you would get it already if you've MSDN subscription. It's ok... problem has already been solved. How? Some one gave me a copy of sp5. -- V -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:35:37 -0700 drsquare wrote: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:29:38 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dave Martel wrote: On 15 Jun 2001 14:04:09 -0500, Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gave some examples. Tell me ANYTHING about a printed copy that is better than the electronic version. You don't need electricity to read it. And have you ever tried to balance a notebook computer on your lap while sitting on the toilet? Hehehe... especially if it accidentally falls into the toilet or gets wet. You can just dry off a book. Yeah, but it will be completely fucked, unless it's glossy. So will the lap top... unless everything is sealed to MIL-SPEC. -- V -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Strictly Linux distributions? Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:49:04 +0200 citizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:7bVW6.32$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello I bought two 7.1 Linux RPM-based distributions, both of which use their own, modified versions of the Linux 2.4.2 kernel but both of which will now have to be upgraded to the Linux 2.4.5 kernel to be of much use to me. What other 7.1 distro uses RPM, beside RedHat? And why did you bought two of that? I don't think that there is that much of a difference between 2.4.2 2.4.5 in terms of the users. Especially not large enough so you *have* to upgrade to get much use out of the system. What I would like is a Strictly Linux distribution that does not modify whichever version of *THE* Linux kernel it uses. Is there anything like that available? I think slackware does it. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:50:12 +0200 Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:m9RW6.42557$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:o4RW6.16849$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well, do so. Press the button for 5 seconds. That's the way it's designed. I believe with ACPI 2.x compliant BIOSes, you can configure what the power button does. I've seen several systems where you can have it act as sleep mode, hibernate, or act like an old fashioned power button. But in all cases, holding it for 3-5 seconds will shut it down, no questions asked. I've a computer in which the BIOS will *ignore*
Linux-Advocacy Digest #321
Linux-Advocacy Digest #321, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 01:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (green) Re: The Win/userbase! (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: The Win/userbase! (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: The Win/userbase! (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: The Win/userbase! (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (green) From: green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:54:51 +1000 GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien wrote: Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On 15 Jun 2001 14:04:09 -0500, Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gave some examples. Tell me ANYTHING about a printed copy that is better than the electronic version. You don't need electricity to read it. And have you ever tried to balance a notebook computer on your lap while sitting on the toilet? Hi, try doing it when taking a bath. I'm not so sure I want my floppy drive getting wet. just use a floppy drive cleaning disk and alcohol solution to clean it coffee is much more problematic for laptops. and corrosion in old PC's creeping through the motherboard. (like what starts at the battery) -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:46:44 -0400 pip wrote: Charlie Ebert wrote: [snip] H. Interesting but a few points. 1) Virus scanners now should use heuristics rather than just known patterns Sillly wabbit. By DEFINITION, Heuristics DO NOT WORK. IF they did, they would be called algorithms. 2) You can write viri for Linux - it just does not do a much damage (if you are lucky and not as root or an account with too many unchecked privileges) But I agree with you main point that Virus scanners are rubbish. If it can't stop a simple VB macro in an Email then things are in a bad way. -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:48:11 -0400 pip wrote: Charlie Ebert wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], pip wrote: Charlie Ebert wrote: [snip] H. Interesting but a few points. 1) Virus scanners now should use heuristics rather than just known patterns Well that's fine. So after the virus has infected the machine, you will get a warning from the 'heuristics' device then? The point is that the virus scanner will look at the exe and guess if it looks like a virus and will alert you. In other words it will still intercept the virus before it infects your system. Hueristics do NOT work IF they did, they would be called algorithms. Still, I fail to
Linux-Advocacy Digest #322
Linux-Advocacy Digest #322, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 02:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Glitch) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Terry Porter) Re: Is Linux for me? (Jack Tripper) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Rotten168) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance(Rotten168) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (green) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (green) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand ignorance...) (Anthony Neville) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (green) Re: Is Linux for me? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) From: Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:14:50 -0400 Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy In article 3b2a1c7a$0$789$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, DLL Hell is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the front page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/): gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell. The executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of course, with the right version. This is what I ran into. I was forced to upgrade my version of guile, g-wrap, and something else. Well, guile I beleive compiled and installed okay and I think g-wrap even installed okay but gnucash could never FIND g-wrap, even when i specified the location of g-wrap when i ran ./configure. So i gave up the on the damn thing. I'm not wasting my time on a program that 'works' like that. In Windows, I would have had the thing installed and would have been using it within 5 min. using the InstallShield. Why the fuck doesn't Linux have an Installshield type program -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter) Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Reply-To: No-Spam Date: 17 Jun 2001 05:11:54 GMT On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:53:07 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Hauck wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:09:56 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caldera OpenLinux 2.4 does... it came with GnuCash and it worked. It does? Where? COL doesn't even have a Gnome desktop, just the libraries. -- -| Bob Hauck -| To Whom You Are Speaking -| http://www.haucks.org/ OOPPS!!! My apologies!! It was MoneyDance that came with it. When you mention cash or money my eyes glaze over. :-) -- V Mandrake comes with Gnucash, and it works, but Gnucash uses a binary database, so call me the nervous type, cause I use CBB due to its ascii database. Gnucash is *nice* tho. -- Kind Regards from Terry My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux. Free Micro burner: http://jsno.downunder.net.au/terry/ ** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org ** -- From: Jack Tripper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Linux for me? Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:23:59 -0500 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:37:12 +0900, Osugi Sakae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack Tripper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm seriously considering moving my computer over to linux. I thought maybe redhat, since a fair number of people seem to use that and there would be plenty of support. I see good reasons why I should and shouldn't go to linux. I should because: I really don't like Windows. I'm tired of upgrading and upgrading and watching my computers get less and less stable. Maybe I shouldn't. though? I'm quite willing (and able, I think) to learn how to use Linux. I've used Unix OS before but just as a university student where the hardest thing I had to do was use PINE, or mv blim.wav sounds/stupid and stuff like that. I've read quite a bit about Linux, it seems to be quite a bit more stable, and the applications look configurable (to me). I mostly like to use my computer for internet stuff - writing web pages, random surfing, email, stuff like that. I also use it for mp3s. A few quick questions if anyone wishes to answer: How big are the varieties of Linux? (again, I'm thinking maybe redhat) Is there a nice GUI HTML interface program available for Linux? I know some people have both Windows AND Linux on their hard drives, using a partition. My hard drive is all but 8.4 megs. Should I even bother trying to keep Windows? I don't mind reformatting the whole hard drive, I have everything important backed up. Oh! And what are the word processing formats for Linux .txt and .doc, for instance? Thanks a lot! jason Consider dual-booting at first, just for those times when you are either really frustrated or
Linux-Advocacy Digest #249
Linux-Advocacy Digest #249, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 23:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)) Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson.Period. (Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)) Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot (GreyCloud) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Bob Hauck) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Bob Hauck) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Bob Hauck) Linux wins again (Linux Admin) MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain! (Linux Admin) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) About Amiga... (John Bayko) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Colin Day) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Terry Porter) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Colin Day) Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot (Paolo Ciambotti) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Terry Porter) Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Terry Porter) Re: Why did Eazel shutdown? (Paolo Ciambotti) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:29:32 -0400 Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: drsquare wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:41:26 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Cray Drygu [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heterosexual contact - - MALE 23,361 - FEMALE 43,128 - TOTAL - 66,490 Hey look, you proved him right. By the way, how's the paint on your V key doing? You've been doing a heck of a lot of pasting recently. Too bad your pasted stats don't make sense as a reply to over half the posts you replied to with them. And the fact that there is no evidence that the stats are even close to valid. Other than the coffins... You miaght also like to know, that according to lates statistics, we havnet seen the median case yet. Do you have any idea what that means? And the Gay-rights activists always running around demanding MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE AIDS research If Gays aren't the overwhelming victims of AIDS, then why is it an issue for gay activists? H? -- Aaron R. Kulkis == In this country== the largest percentage of HIV infected people ( as far as we know) are homosexuals. In the rest of the world, they are overwhelmingly heterosexual. In this country gay activists are quite vocal and some are quite prominent, so they get noticed. -- From: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:27:43 +1200 GreyCloud wrote: Peter Köhlmann wrote: Chad Myers wrote: Who cares what you run in your home. We're talking about real businesses making critical decisions that effect their bottom line. It appears that they don't chose Linux. Yeah, yeah, Chad. By your definition IBM is no *real* business. Moron. Peter Chads just pissed because he didn't sell off his MS stock in time last year. He must have lost at least 2/3 of its original value by now. By spreading FUD he is hoping his stock will improve. I never invested in those crappy tech stocks, I have shares in Capital Properties, United Networks and Auckland Airport, where I earn 11% interest a year. Long term investments give the best return to those who are willing to wait. Matthew Gardiner -- From: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson. Period. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:30:13 +1200 GreyCloud wrote: Anonymous wrote: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6270970.html?tag=tp_pr Hey everyone! Microsoft said they will NEVER make a botched patch again! How reassuring! Let's all set our watches now and see how long before this promise is broken! == Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==--- Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server ---== http://www.newsfeeds.com ==-- Hehehe... and Chad says that Sun screws up on patches... Bwahahahaha! Chads actually using Solaris 2.6, meaning he can't apply patches over files that are currently running or being accessed by other applications. Version 7 8 address these issues. If he really did know what he was doing, he would drop down into maintainance mode, which shuts off all services and unnecessary back groud tasks, then he will not have any problems applying the patches. Matthew Gardiner -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001
Linux-Advocacy Digest #254
Linux-Advocacy Digest #254, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 04:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Gadget-lover's product suggestion: Linux Home Server ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Linux wins again (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Ketil Z Malde) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Ayende Rahien) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (GreyCloud) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (GreyCloud) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(GreyCloud) Re: Windows makes good coasters (JS \\ PL) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (GreyCloud) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (GreyCloud) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (GreyCloud) Re: Redhat video problems. (Marada C. Shradrakaii) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gadget-lover's product suggestion: Linux Home Server Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:14:42 GMT Flacco wrote: Unfortunately things are headed just as much in the opposite direction. Producers - of hardware, software, and content - don't mind making product improvements when they have to, but not if it means allowing you to skip commercials, easily switch to competing products, or pay for information only once - or not at all. Why should Sony's content division create information accessible on any old device when it can instead lock you into Sony's hardware division? And why should the media gods allow some nobody to make up their own DVD player and pipe video all over the place? Not when the DMCA can stop it. It's not like some little newcomer is going to come along with enough money to take over the industry by catering to the customer's needs. So yes, it would work, and no, it won't happen. Are you saying that a system like this would be illegal under the DMCA? I'm unaware of either DVD player or cable TV set-top box with digital video out, and the DeCSS case showed what will happen if you try to make your own. It's obviously a desirable feature, so something like the DMCA was needed to prevent indepent manufacturers from meeting the consumers' needs. -- From: Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux wins again Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:14:40 -0500 Linux Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Linux stops Solaris and the best the over priced W2K can do is come close to a tie on one benchmark while falling far behind on another! http://www.sysadminmag.com/articles/2001/0107/0107a/0107a.htm Interesting benchmark, however it's a bit difficult to gauge any real statistics from them. For starters, though the machines are identical, it only gives on architecture and any given OS can perform better or worse on any given machine (for instance, the quality of the SCSI drivers alone might make a difference). To show a real test, you should do the same tests on identical hardware using several different architectures. -- Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft From: Ketil Z Malde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:48:33 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maynard Handley) writes: I said nothing about Mac or Linus users switching to Windows. I know. I thought of subverting them as the potential revenue stream. I see now that was not what you had in mind. If people want to dispute my reasoning, the points to dispute are my claim that the mass market of consumers do not upgrade because they perceive it to be a major hassle, I don't think that is the main obstacle. In my opinion, people in general upgrade hardware when they no longer can bear the performance of their systems. Basically, I think Intel should pay MS to make software bigger and slower. (Oh, they already do that for free :-) -kzm -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:04:02 +0200 Colin Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The Ghost In The Machine wrote: Hahahahahah Oh yeah XP is a killer OS
Linux-Advocacy Digest #256
Linux-Advocacy Digest #256, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 06:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Ayende Rahien) Re: Here's a switch for a change (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Ayende Rahien) Re: Getting used to Linux (Edward Rosten) Re: Getting used to Linux (Edward Rosten) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Edward Rosten) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Edward Rosten) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Edward Rosten) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Edward Rosten) Re: IBM Goes Gay (Edward Rosten) Re: IBM Goes Gay (Edward Rosten) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance andignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Edward Rosten) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Edward Rosten) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Edward Rosten) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (Edward Rosten) From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:08:10 +0200 GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Except my wifes HP 8175... 48Mb ram, 6Gb harddrive winmodem... cd-rom PII-mmx it runs too slow with win98se on it as it is. Doubt that it would do any better under XP. Get more RAM, 48Mb is not really adeque even for Win98. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:13:14 +0200 GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... No. It had become a moot point anyway... MS says I don't qualify. I'll go to Metrowerks compiler. They make compilers for a lot of different platforms. What do you mean, you don't qualify? You mean that you can't get the SP? That is correct. They won't give me one. I understand that you are on 28.8 I suggest that you would get Go!zilla or download accelerator and download it. Shouldn't take more than a week, at most. :-) -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:11:05 +0200 B. P. Uecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Bob Hauck wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:37:43 -0500, B. P. Uecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Hauck wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, I'm a dumbass and you are superior. Do you feel better now? No, we're really back to square one. But I am appalled that she couldn't come up with the answer. But why do you care? She's not _your_ IT person. I am not her boss either, so telling me that she's worthless is, well, worthless. I care because people like her cause people like you to say Windows sucks, it can't do ___. I can't tell you how many times I've seen poorly configured boxes blamed on a software company. True, I don't work with her, but it's like seeing someone turn off their computer by unplugging it, you just have a reflexive desire to make them STOP doing that. Perhaps it's altruistic. I've once met someone who did something like that. He had a extention cord with a switch, so you can turn on/off the power, and that is how they turn their computer on/off. I'd to come by to see why his computer kept losing files, and nearly beat him up when I saw him do it. When I asked him why he did it, he said Well, it's the power button, duh! -- From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:39:04 +0100 um... the religous war is simple, much like the vi/emacs war. VI and proud of it. -Ed I find I use vi or vim a lot. Vi loads up faster than xemacs. One of these days I'll buy O'reilleys little book on vi. Its a good book. There are loads of things I didn't know about vi, never mind
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 07:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Edward Rosten)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Glitch)
Re: Linux freindly ISPs? (Andy Jeffries)
Re: Linux wins again (pip)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Ayende Rahien)
Linux Magic Filter Printing (Terry Porter)
Re: Getting used to Linux (mark34-@-)
From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:54:02 +0100
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--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 04:21:34 -0400
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], F/@- wrote:
For example, I bought ATI all-in-wonder radeon board, it is a TV tuner
card and video card in one. the ATI mutlimedia software that comes with
it and the driver and the the movie editing software all run on windows.
They do not run on Linux.
Why did you buy a card with no Linux support, if as you say, you wanted
to use Linux? Seems a bit unlikely to me.
as surprising as it may sound some people want to have all the features
of an ATI AIW board even if it does mean not being able to use it in
Linux. I'm glad my AIW (non Radeon) works in Linux and I can watch tv
with it and in windows i can capture video with it and watch tv also.
i dont like teh fact that Unrreal and Quake3 are mostly dependent on
having a Voodoo type board since it seems like those are the ones that
utilize OpenGL/Glide the most. I'd say blame there is split between Loki
and the vid card manufacturers. Loki could have made the games less
reliant on those libs but the manufactuers could have made their boards
compatible with the libs as well.
--
From: Andy Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux freindly ISPs?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:04:24 +0100
Shame, I'm on NTL cable and it rocks!!!
Hmm. I've heard many bad things about NTL. the ycouldn't even get a
perfectly ordinary iMac working.
I have only spoken to their tech support once and the girl (!) was
superb!!!
But, as linux developer I have a reasonable amount of knowledge
myself...
Cheers,
--
Andy Jeffries
Lead-developer of Scramdisk for Linux (SD4L)
Developer of the original Scramdisk Delphi Component
http://www.scramdisk.eu.org
--
From: pip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux wins again
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:10:25 +0100
drsquare wrote:
Benchmarks are bollocks.
You have such a way with words and reasoned arguments. Ever considered
becoming a politician ?
--
From: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:13:13 +0100
Stephen S. Edwards II wrote:
Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thaddius Maximus
wrote:
Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote:
Most of them feel its a lost cause. A lot of
Linux-Advocacy Digest #258
Linux-Advocacy Digest #258, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 08:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Windows makes good coasters (Stuart Fox) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Nick Condon) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance andignorance...) (Nick Condon) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Thaddius Maximus) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Thaddius Maximus) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (Dan Pidcock) Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot (Stuart Fox) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Stuart Fox) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (David Brown) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Fernandinande Le Mur) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus) Re: MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain! (Chris Ahlstrom) From: Stuart Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:53:56 +1200 Terry Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:49:43 +1200, Joe User had enough trouble using DOS, bash is more complicated Howso? Dos lacks up-arrow command history Doskey can be loaded. and command search, What do you mean? this makes DOS *harder* to use. Dos is a single user system, this makes Dos *harder* to use. When I'm in a directory in DOS and want to run an executable in that directory, I type the name of that executable. When I use bash, I have to do ./executable DOS is stupider than bash, which tends to make it easier to get a working knowledge faster (less commands to remember) -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:58:57 GMT Edward Rosten wrote: Liberals? What are you on about. I think the US and UK definition of Liberal must differ somewhat since you attribute many evils to them which are completely unrealated, even oppersite to the things liberals here want. Yeah, when Americans say liberal they mean something like socialist. They can't say socialist because they've already warped that to mean communist, which of course has been twisted to mean unamerican. Unfortunately, it leaves no word for them to describe what we would call liberals. Libertarians are almost there, but have some illiberal kinks. -- Nick -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) Date: 15 Jun 2001 11:03:41 GMT Thaddius Maximus wrote: We (USA) do NOT have a representative democracy. Really? Better go and tell the occupants of the House of Representives to go home then. We (USA) have a constitutionally limited republic! Why not do both? -- Nick -- From: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:29:46 +0100 Edward Rosten wrote: The term representative democracy was devised by the democratic party and the tabloid press. Repeat an error often enough and long enough and people will start to believe in the big lie. BS. It is a description of a system where a buncha of representatives are elected (democratically) to run the country. Give it a rest Ed. The fact that the people of the US choose representatives is not indicative of a representative democracy. For the US to be a representative democracy the elected representatives would have to consult the people on each and every matter and cast their vote accordingly. This is clearly NOT the case in the US. In a representative democracy sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens through represenatives. This is clearly NOT the case in the US. Yes, in both systems there are representatives elected by the people, but in the US sovereign power does not reside in, nor is it
Linux-Advocacy Digest #259
Linux-Advocacy Digest #259, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 09:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Stephen Cornell)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Edward Rosten)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Edward Rosten)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Edward Rosten)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand
ignorance...) (Edward Rosten)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Karri Kalpio)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Edward Rosten)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Edward Rosten)
Re: IBM Goes Gay (.)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
(Edward Rosten)
Re: IBM Goes Gay (.)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand
ignorance...) (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand
ignorance...) (Matthew Gardiner)
From: Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: 15 Jun 2001 13:22:19 +0100
Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks for the offer Doc, but an educated fellow like yourself should
have no problem with a search engine.
I did. It's your turn to put up, or shut up.
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University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:25:33 +0100
In article 9gcn40$dna$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
i dont like teh fact that Unrreal and Quake3 are mostly dependent on
having a Voodoo type board since it seems like those are the ones that
utilize OpenGL/Glide the most. I'd say blame there is split between
Loki and the vid card manufacturers. Loki could have made the games
less reliant on those libs but the manufactuers could have made their
boards compatible with the libs as well.
You could also add Linux to the list, if it want to be used for games,
it should provide an abstraction library.
It does: OpenGL.
Or are you referring to a more general API?
-Ed
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From: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:19:45 +0100
David Brown wrote:
Edward Rosten wrote in message 9gclgt$cjn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you thing the victory was an international effort?
**Obviously** That's the point. Somewhere between the idiots who say
the US won the war single-handedly and the idiots who say the US
didn't do anything lies the truth.
Indeed.
There seem to be a huge number of idiots from the US on this group
(either that or a small number of very vocal idiots, which I think is
closer to the truth) who believe the US won it alone. there also seem to
be some other idiots who believe the reverse.
-Ed
Well said. But there is also the class of Americans who, although they
acknowledge that they were only part of the war in Europe, think that they
saved us as some sort of favour for which we should be humbly grateful.
The truth is that the US *had* to enter the war in Europe, for a number of
reasons. If they had not, then they would be in a very bad position
internationally, whether Germany had won or lost. The British and their
allies in Europe may possibly have won without US
Linux-Advocacy Digest #260
Linux-Advocacy Digest #260, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 10:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Getting used to Linux (Ayende Rahien) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Matthew Gardiner) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it inthe dust!) (Matthew Gardiner) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Dan Pidcock) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Ayende Rahien) From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:09:41 +0200 Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gcus9$jc4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9gcn40$dna$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... i dont like teh fact that Unrreal and Quake3 are mostly dependent on having a Voodoo type board since it seems like those are the ones that utilize OpenGL/Glide the most. I'd say blame there is split between Loki and the vid card manufacturers. Loki could have made the games less reliant on those libs but the manufactuers could have made their boards compatible with the libs as well. You could also add Linux to the list, if it want to be used for games, it should provide an abstraction library. It does: OpenGL. Or are you referring to a more general API? Something more general, I think. How is OpenGL performance when you've a card/driver that doesn't support it, btw? -- From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ??? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:12:01 +1200 Stuart Fox wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... With the inclusion of raw sockets, its now known as eXPloitation You really are dense aren't you Matt? One guy complains because MS completes it's sockets implementation to make it standards compliant, and now it's a security hole? It's a security hole in most *nixes then as well. How many complete, and utter luser/morons do you see using UNIX? Matthew Gardiner -- From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it inthe dust!) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:15:01 +1200 Rotten168 wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Rotten168 wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Thaddius Maximus wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Well, well, lookie what we have here... another mullet rising up in the name of government handouts. As for US social problems vs. what's happening in Europe, I can vouch for the US not experiencing genocide within her borders like that which is taking place in Europe today. What country(s) may that be? Balkan countries. They aren't in the European Union and as a result donot come under the European Union's Humans Rights Act. Matthew Gardiner Regardless, it occurred and Europeans did nothing to stop it. THe holocast was occuring for years, business mean like Ford used forced labour in Germany during the war, yet the US did nothing about it. So, I'd say the US is tarnished with the same brush. Matthew gardiner No doubt... but no one is innocent. What's important is that it doesn't happen again. However, it seems the Jews haven't learnt. They sign a peace treaty with the palastinians, they two days later INVADE the territory, settle, then wonder why the palistinians are so pissed off! whats worse, the US does nothing about it! Hence the reason why the Palistinians believe the US is bias against them. Matthew Gardiner
Linux-Advocacy Digest #262
Linux-Advocacy Digest #262, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 12:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Windows makes good coasters (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux wins again (Andrew Nesbit) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Chad Myers) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:13:04 -0500 drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On 12 Jun 2001 13:42:04 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Since Windows 95, I have *once* had to download new video drivers for a particular video card I've owned (ATI Rage for Windows NT 4) and *those* were included with Service Pack 4. With *every* version of Windows since, the drivers were either included with the OS, or included with the hardware. Yeah, but if you've lost your disk... Download them? DOH What if the modem drivers were on the same disk! Hayes Generic Modem - nothing to download. Perhaps, more likely, your modem is already on the list of thousands supported. -- From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:09:05 -0500 Almost forgot: A program that needs 60 different libraries is depending on a very complicated software environment to support it. As of this writing, there is probably not a single distribution which, out of the box, provides that environment. Upgrading to that environment is helped by the various update services and tools that an increasing number of distributions are providing. It is worth asking, however, just how many of you would proceed with such an upgrade in confidence that it would work, and that nothing else would break? As the Linux software environment becomes more complex and powerful, it also risks becoming more brittle. The desktop will not be won as long as users must upgrade dozens of libraries, with a good possibility of breaking their systems, to get a new personal finance application. The desktop developers have a serious challenge ahead of them here: make the environment robust and easy to upgrade, or see the users wander away in frustration N, they won't wander away - they'll wait for developers to acknowledge the problem and then fix it in a future version (like MS did) Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3b2a1c7a$0$789$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well, DLL Hell is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the front page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/): gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell. The executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of course, with the right version. I'm sorry but... har! har! har! Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not all of them. Sure, just upgrade Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are accustomed to this sort of problem. -- From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:16:04 -0500 Peter Köhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jon Johansan wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jon Johansan wrote: Norman D. Megill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:OR4V6.812$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9g2bl8$eq$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Encarta, If I remember correctly, is Funk and Wagnels Encyclopedia, thrown onto CD by Microsoft. With content added, deleted, and modified per Microsoft's marketing agenda. Untrue - prove your claim! Are you on Microsofts payroll? Do they owe you something?
Linux-Advocacy Digest #263
Linux-Advocacy Digest #263, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 12:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Sandman) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Chad Myers) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Stephen Cornell) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Windows makes good coasters Re: Redhat video problems. (flatfish+++) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (chrisv) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:41:34 -0500 Rotten168 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Edward Rosten wrote: I have a growing suspicion that you don't know what the word liberal means. I have a growing suspicion that you don't know who liberals are. You have absoloutely no idea what liberals are about. You seem to think it is some passive middleground adopted by people who have no forceful opinions. You are completely wrong. -Ed I think that the simple fact of the matter is that there are many contradictory definitions of 'liberal' and they are all right. Conservatives use the word 'liberal' to refer to lefties here in America. I'm not sure how or why that started but it stuck. I think that the early liberals where romantic, emotional, dramatic... and despised by the federalist conservatives (Jefferson was an early liberal). I suppose that may be why, considering the philistine nature of contemporary conservatives. Actually, it's not just conservatives who use that term. It's a general American term for lefties. I've heard Democrats, Republicans, conservatives and liberals alike use the term. Yes, hard-core liberals refer to themselves as liberals. It's fair to say that the textbook definition of liberal is more akin to a libertarian in the contemporary world... people who believe in as little government intervention as humanly possible. There was a famous article by a libertarian which was entitled Why I am not a conservative... he objected to the term 'conservative' because he wanted things to change. Just another USENET battle over semantics. Exactly. I think to sum it up, Liberals are for more government to protect personal freedoms, whereas conservatives are for change -- less government involvement in our lives. It's kind of backwards, but their end goals are true to their names. And both are filled with hypocrasy =) -c -- From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:42:13 -0500 I so LOVE it when someone claims to have killfiled (or better yet, actually done it) - it is the ultimate proof that that person is not willing to consider anything but what they believe is true - very blind indeed... Mart van de Wege [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Quote from the article at Wininformant: Linux, which has thus far gained success and prominence without having to fend off any actual competition. This is rich. It really is. If this is the intellectual level of our competition, then I am sadly disappointed in the human race. I thought Jan J. was an exception to the rule. Tell me people, are NT advocates *really* all stupid?! Sorry for messing up the thread though, as I have Jan still killfiled, I'm now replying to Bobby. Mart -- Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil, Going with the flow, it's all the same to me, Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you, Double up or quit, double stake or split, The Ace Of Spades -- From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux-Advocacy Digest #265
Linux-Advocacy Digest #265, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 14:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson. Period. (Todd) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Todd) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Todd Merritt) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Colin Day) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Colin Day) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (drsquare) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (drsquare) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux wins again (drsquare) Re: Linux wins again (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (drsquare) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (drsquare) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (drsquare) From: Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson. Period. Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:43:37 +0800 Reply-To: Todd toddremove[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6270970.html?tag=tp_pr Hey everyone! Microsoft said they will NEVER make a botched patch again! How reassuring! Let's all set our watches now and see how long before this promise is broken! Ummm... they did *NOT* say promise. They said 'said'. Learn the f@#$ing english language. -Todd == Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==--- Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server ---== http://www.newsfeeds.com ==-- -- From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: 15 Jun 2001 12:01:03 -0500 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sandman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely you see the difference in a browser implementation where you build in the function of setting colors and fonts and changing the content. Netscape has this What's related, it's basicvally the same thing as NS is pulling, but it's -awa- from the webpage. Changing colors and fonts are for some a neccesity in order to read your page. Autodetecting words and linking them to MS sites falls into the bad sport arena, and they should have made a different implementation of that idea. I think you still don't understand what the Smart Tags do. The content of a page is not changed. And it's not just MS sites - you can go directly to the home page of the company in question. The other info - Company News, Company Report, Stock Quote does take you to related news on MSN, but so what? It has to go somewhere. Would you feel better if it went to Yahoo? Or Apple (it they had a news page)?If I want an instant stock quote it doesn't make any difference to me where it comes from Also, it's OFF by default. It must be turned ON first. It's a nice feature that many people will find useful. Those that don't can turn it back OFF (the default). It's not the big deal some folks here seem to think it is. Dan -- From: Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:44:44 +0800 Reply-To: Todd toddremove[EMAIL PROTECTED] top@pp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Lets all write to yahoo and complain. I am just had it with sites like yahoo that only supports windows. click on this site and you'll get an error that it is only supported on windoz. http://vision.yahoo.com/?id=1457763aid=5016 yahoo is as stupid as any business out there which only makes its web pages to one platform. They are not stupid. They are smart. They tailor their business to 90% of the browsers out there. Ever heard of the 80-20 rule? A good rule to abide by. You linux users will never understand. sigh -Todd -- From: Todd Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux-Advocacy Digest #266
Linux-Advocacy Digest #266, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 14:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Redhat video problems. (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: IBM Goes Gay (drsquare) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Peter Hayes) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Peter Hayes) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Nico Coetzee) Re: Linux wins again (Richard Thrippleton) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Aaron R. Kulkis) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Redhat video problems. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:38 +0100 On 15 Jun 2001 07:22:03 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)) wrote: However, it's a bit of an arse to have to press Ctrl+Alt+plus to increase the resolution from 640x480 every time it starts up. Edit /etc/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XF86Config (which one depends on version and distribution). You'll several sets of of lines like this: Depth 16 Modes 640x480 800x600 1024x768 The Depth 16 refers to the colour depth; you might see sections for 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 24, and/or 32. Just edit the ones for the colour depth you use. The order of the names after the word Modes determines the order you see the modes. The first one is the one you start in, the second is one Ctrl-Alt-+ away, etc. Ahah, I'll have to look into that. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:39 +0100 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:40:37 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare wrote: I have to use windows because of my winmodem. This would never have happened if it wasn't for Microsoft. You can now get drivers for winmodems for linux. I have an external modem that doesn't rob the CPU of its clock cycles. One simple modem chip works better than any software and it won't get corrupted by any file system accidents either. Search the web for winmodem drivers for Linux. I have, but it's proving difficult to find anything. Try http://www.linmodems.org/ They call 'em linmodems. Maybe you'll find what you're looking for here. I had a look there, but it's a complete maze. Almost impossible to find a modem listed. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:40 +0100 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:39:04 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: um... the religous war is simple, much like the vi/emacs war. VI and proud of it. -Ed I find I use vi or vim a lot. Vi loads up faster than xemacs. One of these days I'll buy O'reilleys little book on vi. Its a good book. There are loads of things I didn't know about vi, never mind vim. How much is it? -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:40 +0100 On 15 Jun 2001 03:02:25 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (mark34-@- [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Why did you buy a card with no Linux support, if as you say, you wanted to use Linux? Seems a bit unlikely to me. May be because he liked that specific card? So even if he liked it, he should buy it even though it wouldn't work? -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:41 +0100 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:04:58 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Chris Ahlstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare wrote: Unless the installation program replaces some key Windows DLLs or mungs some Registry entry. Never happened with me. Every single program I've downloaded (and that's a LOT) has installed flawlessly. With Linux, I'm lucky if it installs at all, and that's AFTER downloading all the packages and dealing with all the conflicts. And if you're compiling from source, you may as well just not bother. Well, golly gee, I've had the opposite experience. Quite often an installed product (usually a Microsoft product) has fucked up my machine (or at least some of the apps that it runs). And at least two apps (Word 2000 and Visio 2000) run slow and act cranky on my
Linux-Advocacy Digest #267
Linux-Advocacy Digest #267, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 14:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux wins again (Ayende Rahien) Re: MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Todd Merritt) Re: IBM Goes Gay (Peter Hayes) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Rocketboy) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Andrew Nesbit) Re: More microsoft innovation (Macman) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Brian Langenberger) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:33:19 -0400 drsquare wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:04:58 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Chris Ahlstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare wrote: Unless the installation program replaces some key Windows DLLs or mungs some Registry entry. Never happened with me. Every single program I've downloaded (and that's a LOT) has installed flawlessly. With Linux, I'm lucky if it installs at all, and that's AFTER downloading all the packages and dealing with all the conflicts. And if you're compiling from source, you may as well just not bother. Well, golly gee, I've had the opposite experience. Quite often an installed product (usually a Microsoft product) has fucked up my machine (or at least some of the apps that it runs). And at least two apps (Word 2000 and Visio 2000) run slow and act cranky on my box at work. Well, I have had the complete opposite experience. Apart from Word being infinitely inferior to LyX. On Linux, I've compiled from source, installed using RPMs, and copied software by hand. All has worked flawlessly, except for compiling nmap, and that's probably because of Red Hat's gcc-2.96 snafu. Well, you must have an awful lot of dependencies and libraries already there. Translation: I, drsquare, don't install the commonly used libraries...and then wonder why they aren't available for my apps. Booo fucking hooo. -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:33:49 -0400 Neil Ellwood wrote: Chris Ahlstrom wrote: dependencies and conflicts worked out.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #268
Linux-Advocacy Digest #268, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 15:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linuxstarts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Rick) Re: Linux freindly ISPs? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Craig Gullixson) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it inthe dust!) (Chad Myers) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:12:17 -0400 Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: GreyCloud wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Other than the coffins... And the Gay-rights activists always running around demanding MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE AIDS research If Gays aren't the overwhelming victims of AIDS, then why is it an issue for gay activists? H? Well, in New Zealand I hear the gay community saying they would rather promote more prevention, rather than the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff senario. Maybe instead of cure, prevention would be a better way of using the resources. Matthew Gardiner If I recall right, San Francisco was notorious for gay bathhouses that ran all night. When aids became a problem, most of the bathhouses shutdown. I suspect Ironically, it was RONALD REAGAN who was pushing for them to be shut downand the gay community later accused him of not doing anything about AIDS. Regan DIDNT do anything about AIDS. He was anti0homosexual. He he closed bathhouses, it had NOTHING to do with AIDS prevention. Left wingers are all about hypocrisy.. As opposed to you, all about ignorance and bigotry. that this helped in reducing the spread of aids some. Then public education on tv started via commercials, but the aids has gotten into every sector of life its starting to blur the lines. Africa, at least what we've been spoon fed on the news, is suffering heavily from aids. Not exactly sure what their real problem is over there. The news is sort of vague about it. I'm willing to bet that a LOT more of the men who get it are picking it up through homosexual contact than are willing to admit it. You apparently do NOT have a clue about the AIDS pandemic. Look at the numbers. how can there be a LOT more? large obnoxious sig snipped -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linuxstarts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:12:39 GMT In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:03:36 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: GreyCloud wrote: The Ghost In The Machine wrote: In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:58:43 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Ghost In The Machine wrote: [snip to address this point] [D] The biggest user (dare I say waster?) of energy in the world. 6% of the population consumes half of the energy. We're getting better, and our technology may well pull our collective rears out of the fire, but it's not something to be proud of. We also backed out of the Kyoto accord. While there may have been good reasons to do so (it's not clear to me personally), it's not going to help our reputation any. An interesting view of this situation -- literally -- can be had at http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/viewrecord?8086 [snip] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random picture here EAC code #191 0d:04h:37m actually running Linux. Most likely, no neutrinos were found during this message.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #269
Linux-Advocacy Digest #269, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 15:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Ayende Rahien) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Chad Myers) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Jon Johansan) Re: Windows makes good coasters Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:25:40 +0200 Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3b2a2f5c$0$817$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9garkb$ne0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Bob Hauck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:28:00 -0500, Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when has accuracy or truth mattered to Netcraft? Since when have they mattered to you? Since when have they mattered to anyone on this groups? Matters to me. I was under the impression it mattered to you Ayende. Isn't that why we post here? If accuracy was my goal, I would've gone and read boring white papers. :-) Or visit non advocacy groups. In which I mostly lurk. These groups are about advocacy, not accuracy. I'm here because often enough, the discussions are interesting, and it's a nice diversion from code that would probably be better understand if it were in micro-code. I read SF for the same reason. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ??? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:28:50 +0200 drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:52:25 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... You really are dense aren't you Matt? One guy complains because MS completes it's sockets implementation to make it standards compliant, and now it's a security hole? It's a security hole in most *nixes then as well. How many complete, and utter luser/morons do you see using UNIX? Well, Aaron says he uses *nix... Exceptions don't make rules. He didn't ask for the rule, he asked for utter luser/morons using Unix. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:29:28 +0200 Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gddqd$gom$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... top@pp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Lets all write to yahoo and complain. I am just had it with sites like yahoo that only supports windows. click on this site and you'll get an error that it is only supported on windoz. http://vision.yahoo.com/?id=1457763aid=5016 yahoo is as stupid as any business out there which only makes its web pages to one platform. They are not stupid. They are smart. They tailor their business to 90% of the browsers out there. Ever heard of the 80-20 rule? A good rule to abide by. Stupid rule, those are *never* the same 20%. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:44:35 +0200 drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Also, you can't pirate a book! alt.binaries.e-book You most certainly can. -- From: Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:49:11 -0500 Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sandman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely you see the difference in a browser implementation where you build in the function of setting colors and fonts and changing the content. Netscape has this What's related, it's basicvally the same thing as NS is pulling, but it's -awa- from the webpage. Changing colors and fonts are
Linux-Advocacy Digest #270
Linux-Advocacy Digest #270, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 16:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Jon Johansan) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Getting used to Linux (robert$#--) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Craig Kelley) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mig) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Zsolt) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Greg Cox) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:05:37 -0400 Rick wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: GreyCloud wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Other than the coffins... And the Gay-rights activists always running around demanding MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE AIDS research If Gays aren't the overwhelming victims of AIDS, then why is it an issue for gay activists? H? Well, in New Zealand I hear the gay community saying they would rather promote more prevention, rather than the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff senario. Maybe instead of cure, prevention would be a better way of using the resources. Matthew Gardiner If I recall right, San Francisco was notorious for gay bathhouses that ran all night. When aids became a problem, most of the bathhouses shutdown. I suspect Ironically, it was RONALD REAGAN who was pushing for them to be shut downand the gay community later accused him of not doing anything about AIDS. Regan DIDNT do anything about AIDS. He was anti0homosexual. He he closed bathhouses, it had NOTHING to do with AIDS prevention. Yes, it did, you moron. At that time, the only thing the medical community had to go on was a high correlation with something they called 'Gay Bowel Syndrome', and so they advised Reagan that the best way to stop the spread of AIDS was to shut down the bath houses. This caused the fags to simultaneously howl that a) nobody was doing anything to help stop AIDS and b) that shutting down the bathhouses, which is one place where the pathogen was being transmitted...wasn't right. Left wingers are all about hypocrisy.. As opposed to you, all about ignorance and bigotry. See above, idiot. that this helped in reducing the spread of aids some. Then public education on tv started via commercials, but the aids has gotten into every sector of life its starting to blur the lines. Africa, at least what we've been spoon fed on the news, is suffering heavily from aids. Not exactly sure what their real problem is over there. The news is sort of vague about it. I'm willing to bet that a LOT more of the men who get it are picking it up through homosexual contact than are willing to admit it. You apparently do NOT have a clue about the AIDS pandemic. Look at the numbers. how can there be a LOT more? I.e. a lot of Africans not admitting to engaging in homosexual behavior, thus, the African AIDS stats are probably not in line with reality. For the same reason...if you're going to argue that the USA is homophobic then the true proportion of homosexual:heterosexual aids is EVEN HIGHER than what the CDC numbers say. large obnoxious sig snipped -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's
Linux-Advocacy Digest #271
Linux-Advocacy Digest #271, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 16:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mig) Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson. (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Zsolt) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:34:44 -0400 Fernandinande Le Mur wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:13:19 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] expounded: If I recall right, San Francisco was notorious for gay bathhouses that ran all night. When aids became a problem, most of the bathhouses shutdown. I suspect that this helped in reducing the spread of aids some. Then public education on tv started via commercials, but the aids has gotten into every sector of life its starting to blur the lines. Africa, at least what we've been spoon fed on the news, is suffering heavily from aids. Not exactly sure what their real problem is over there. The news is sort of vague about it. The popmedia is dishonest about reporting on AIDS in Africa because they don't want to burst the bubble that AIDS is a threat to the general population, rather than just to some specific sub-groups. About a year ago Scientific American had a fairly PC article about AIDS in Africa and blamed rampant prostitution combined with sexual practices which cause small amounts of bleeding (dry sex, or women putting sand, baboon urine and such in their vaginas before fucking - no, I'm not kidding). In other words, the AIDS epidemic in Africa is the result of the sexual behavior of the victims. Yep. With modern screening in the blood supply (i.e. source of transfusions), in this day and age, the ONLY way to get AIDS is to behave like a MORON. -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: 15 Jun 2001 14:36:15 -0500 Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gdm1h$35d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3b2a2b14$0$853$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It IS fact that whomever writes the content for Encarta under employ by MS DOES change, add and delete that content. yes, true. It is NOT fact that this is done according to their marketing strategy - I do not believe that claim and ask you to prove it. Factual integrity is something that can be literally assertained. Find a
Linux-Advocacy Digest #274
Linux-Advocacy Digest #274, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 18:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (.) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Linux wins again (Stefan Ohlsson) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (.) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux wins again (drsquare) Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson. Period. (drsquare) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: 15 Jun 2001 21:19:12 GMT In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gddbc$e1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Said green in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:46:41 +1000; drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On 11 Jun 2001 11:10:02 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Norman D. Megill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:OR4V6.812$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9g2bl8$eq$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Encarta, If I remember correctly, is Funk and Wagnels Encyclopedia, thrown onto CD by Microsoft. With content added, deleted, and modified per Microsoft's marketing agenda. Untrue - prove your claim! Prove they haven't. ah the very long task challenge that would take too long any way to win the argument. and being an reference source it should have changed (updated with current knowledge where appropriate) the best way to lie is to tell the truth unconvincingly the second best way is to tell a almost truth. (a version of the truth) You're sputtering. The fact is, MS *has* changed, added, deleted, and modified content according to their marketing strategy, with little or no regard for factual integrity. Oh no, not so fast: It IS fact that whomever writes the content for Encarta under employ by MS DOES change, add and delete that content. yes, true. It is NOT fact that this is done according to their marketing strategy - I do not believe that claim and ask you to prove it. Actually, it is a fairly well known *fact* that every single company that controls content of *any* of their products does so for one of two reasons: 1. market strategy 2. stratified legalities You need to go to business school. Putting aside that I disagree with your *OPINION*; It isnt opinion. Have you ever even been to college? Do you have any sort of management or marketing experience at all? even if it were true that wouldn't necessarily mean that they change content solely to drive their own market strategy. Quite right. Sometimes its entirely for reasons of stratified legalities, and sometimes its a combination of the two. It is never anything else. If so, then there is no source of content on the planet that is accurate - it's all biased towards whomever it's own is. Bingo. Accuracy is directly related to the ability of the market to efficiently synch to the strategy of the marketer. I know that is not true so your claim is invalid already. It actually is quite true. See education for details. =. -- George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy ---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard -- From: Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:16:44 -0500 Zsolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I see you still don't get it... In Linux (and Unix in general) the version number is part of the name and it has always been like that - Windows
Linux-Advocacy Digest #275
Linux-Advocacy Digest #275, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 18:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Dreg) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (GreyCloud) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Zsolt) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Dave Martel) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Josiah Fizer) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:45 +0100 On 15 Jun 2001 14:05:13 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message Also, you can't pirate a book! I just typed book into Agent and found out yes indeedy you can pirate a book. You can pirate A LOT of books. How do you do that? Books are available on-line, including e-books or just the text of a book. But then you'd have to print it all out etc. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:46 +0100 On 15 Jun 2001 13:27:15 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because you're not intercepting pages, inserting your own links, then sending them off to millions of users. Neither do Smart Tags. You really should understand this before deciding that's it's evil. I have Windows XP here. It includes IE 6 with the Smart Tags feature. When was it released? Where can I get it from? -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:47 +0100 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:57:01 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Rocketboy [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare wrote: With Linux, I'm lucky if it installs at all, and that's AFTER downloading all the packages and dealing with all the conflicts. Obviously you haven't sorted out all the conflicts and installed all the packages, or the software would work. If you have so much trouble installing Linux software, it only seems logical that you don't use Linux very often. I use it very often, but that doesn't get rid of the problem of having to reconnect and hunt down packages all the time. If you don't use Linux very often, it's only logical that you don't really know what you're doing with it. Since the first statement was incorrect, the rest is irrelevent. A poor workman blames his tools. Especially if the tools are shit. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:48 +0100 On 15 Jun 2001 11:41:14 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (robert$#-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare says... Why did you buy a card with no Linux support, if as you say, you wanted to use Linux? Seems a bit unlikely to me. May be because he liked that specific card? So even if he liked it, he should buy it even though it wouldn't work? It seems that the card works. It is just that Linux does not have the software and the drivers to use it. I meant, why did he buy it if it wouldn't work with linux, and he wanted to use it with linux? Linux seems to be always playing catch up. Once drivers are written to the card, a better card comes up with windows ready drivers, and by the time Linux can support the new card, another newer and better card comes out. Well, curse that evil linux for not having drivers written for it... So, for multimedia and graphics, linux remains a generation behind windows. And for important things, like stability, efficiency, and
Linux-Advocacy Digest #280
Linux-Advocacy Digest #280, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 20:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rich Soyack) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mayor Of R'lyeh) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:40:20 -0400 Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Fernandinande Le Mur wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:13:19 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] expounded: If I recall right, San Francisco was notorious for gay bathhouses that ran all night. When aids became a problem, most of the bathhouses shutdown. I suspect that this helped in reducing the spread of aids some. Then public education on tv started via commercials, but the aids has gotten into every sector of life its starting to blur the lines. Africa, at least what we've been spoon fed on the news, is suffering heavily from aids. Not exactly sure what their real problem is over there. The news is sort of vague about it. The popmedia is dishonest about reporting on AIDS in Africa because they don't want to burst the bubble that AIDS is a threat to the general population, rather than just to some specific sub-groups. About a year ago Scientific American had a fairly PC article about AIDS in Africa and blamed rampant prostitution combined with sexual practices which cause small amounts of bleeding (dry sex, or women putting sand, baboon urine and such in their vaginas before fucking - no, I'm not kidding). In other words, the AIDS epidemic in Africa is the result of the sexual behavior of the victims. Yep. With modern screening in the blood supply (i.e. source of transfusions), in this day and age, the ONLY way to get AIDS is to behave like a MORON. -- You claim to have sex with multiple partners. I guess you are a moron. -- From: pip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:43:10 +0100 Craig Kelley wrote: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... apt-get install gnucash Where's the problem? Obviously LWN has it all wrong as does /. according to you... First of all, DLL Hell doesn't mean a ton of libraries; it means a ton of libraries THAT INSTALL OVER EACHOTHER (like MFC40.DLL, for instance). UNIX does not have this problem because we have this amazing thing called v-e-r-s-i-o-n-i-n-g on our libraries. This seems rather crap. Libraries should provide a *single* binary that simply gets added to and bugfixed. Changing interfaces is EVIL, WASTEFUL and reeks of poor design and a bad philosophy. In other words it sucks big time and you should admit it! I am not defending windows dll hell, just that this solution is crap. -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:39:30 -0400 GreyCloud wrote: Ayende Rahien wrote: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I so LOVE it when someone claims to have killfiled (or better yet, actually done it) - it is the ultimate proof that that person is not willing to consider anything but what they believe is true - very blind indeed... Aaron is an exception, though. I run a google search on the number of people who has him killfiled, apperantly over 1000 people did. I think it's some sort of a record. http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=kulkisas_oq=killfile%20plonk Hey... maybe he's running for the Guiness World Record. You never know. It's always funny when I get a new e-mail account and those thousands of people say DOH! simultaneously! -- V -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to
Linux-Advocacy Digest #279
Linux-Advocacy Digest #279, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 20:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Nigel Feltham) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Charlie Ebert) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Peter Hayes) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Rick) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:09:56 -0700 Jon Johansan wrote: Almost forgot: A program that needs 60 different libraries is depending on a very complicated software environment to support it. As of this writing, there is probably not a single distribution which, out of the box, provides that environment. Caldera OpenLinux 2.4 does... it came with GnuCash and it worked. Upgrading to that environment is helped by the various update services and tools that an increasing number of distributions are providing. It is worth asking, however, just how many of you would proceed with such an upgrade in confidence that it would work, and that nothing else would break? As the Linux software environment becomes more complex and powerful, it also risks becoming more brittle. The desktop will not be won as long as users must upgrade dozens of libraries, with a good possibility of breaking their systems, to get a new personal finance application. The desktop developers have a serious challenge ahead of them here: make the environment robust and easy to upgrade, or see the users wander away in frustration N, they won't wander away - they'll wait for developers to acknowledge the problem and then fix it in a future version (like MS did) Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3b2a1c7a$0$789$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well, DLL Hell is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the front page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/): gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell. The executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of course, with the right version. I'm sorry but... har! har! har! Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not all of them. Sure, just upgrade Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are accustomed to this sort of problem. -- V -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) Subject: Re: The Microsoft PATH. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:10:20 GMT In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Paolo Ciambotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:29:51 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I'm still stuck trying to wend my way through the Zork trilogy. Xyzzy. Plugh. Remember? Remember without drugs? You are in a maze of twisty little wintrolls... ... all alike. Wait that makes sense. I smell a wumpus. Bats nearby! I feel a draft... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- of course, nowadays it would look like Unreal... EAC code #191 0d:18h:25m actually running Linux. Most likely, no neutrinos were found during this message. -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:12:19 -0700 Ayende Rahien wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The LWN writer was frustrated at having to install a lot of new versions to get the latest gnucash working, and exaggerated the situation as DLL Hell, forgetting that new shared libraries won't break old apps. DLL Hell refers to an installer overwriting an old DLL with a new one, mysteriously breaking old apps. And vice versa,don't forget. The DLL Hell is the result of developers ignoring the guidelines set by MS regarding dll's behaviour. You are supposed to keep the same filename as long as you've backward compatability nailed down. If you break
Linux-Advocacy Digest #281
Linux-Advocacy Digest #281, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 20:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: MySQL? (pip) Re: Linux wins again (Rex Ballard) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:54:37 -0400 The Ghost In The Machine wrote: In comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:00:22 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED]: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US will never have personal freedom whilst their people are still continuosly brainwashed by Christian ideology. A. We're not. Most people I know don't go to church. This proves little, although I'm not sure how to show better evidence myself. It's clear, though, that the moderates are running the show -- one hopes they continue to do so. Of course, there's the issue as to what precisely a moderate is; the old joke bears repeating: There are two parties in the United States. The Right . and the Far Right. As for continuous brainwashing -- I'd be curious where. The worst examples of brainwashing I can think of is a Christmas tree or Jesus creche in the town square (or, in one case, a cross on a mountain which happened to be on government or park property) and some squabbles about which of evilution versus cretinism should be taught in the (local-government-run-and-funded) public schools. The cretinists want equal time; never mind that creationism isn't all that scientific. (A debate on this subissue is better left to talk.origins.) This may indicate that I'm far gone already, admittedly -- but one of the reasons the Religious Right hasn't made more headway is because the Founding Fathers passed Amendment I, which prevents religion from getting to far into government (they can of course donate to their heart's content, subject to various campaign financing restrictions). Actually, evolution and creationism are EQUALLY LACKING in explanations for how the earth came to be inhabited by humans. At this point, I would sooner believe that this planet was colonized by humans (or something) from out in space. In factif you read the old testament, and look at similar ancient stories from the Egyptians and the Hindus, there appears to be a LOT of talk about space craft flying around in OUR atmospherethe Hindus even described aeriel combat and strategic bombing campaigns. ...all...very very very strange for people living THOUSANDS of years ago. Mind you, our sex ed could apparently also be improved; there's more to sex ed than just say no. But I don't know precisely what goes on in there -- and some parents apparently think that bringing up Daughter in abject innocence until she turns 18 would fit the bill. (I doubt it, somehow; at least let her know which is a good touch versus a bad touch -- something taught in kindergarten. The boys might even have to be taught proper sexual techniques to bring a woman to orgasm, at some point. Of course, I suspect many of them find out during extracurricular activities... :-) ) B. Why do you think an ignorant troll like yourself has the wisdom to pass this kind of judgement? Uh, because he thinks he does? There's no requirement for intelligence on Usenet -- a fact demonstrated repeatedly on many newsgroups. :-/ (A pity, but at least the seasoned veterans thereof can quickly pick the wheat from the chaff. Borderline wheat, of course, is a little harder to identify -- but then, it always is. But yeah, I'd say drsquare seems to have a chip on his shoulder, judging from his statements. Tone it down, dr; It's only Usenet :-) ) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random grain product here EAC code #191 44d:10h:47m actually running Linux. All hail the Invisible Pink Unicorn (pbuh)! -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass
Linux-Advocacy Digest #276
Linux-Advocacy Digest #276, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 19:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Chad Myers) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Todd Merritt) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Andrew Manore) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Andrew Manore) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Joseph T. Adams) From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:54:00 -0500 Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3b2a1c7a$0$789$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well, DLL Hell is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the front page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/): gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell. The executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of course, with the right version. I'm sorry but... har! har! har! Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not all of them. Sure, just upgrade Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are accustomed to this sort of problem. Version hell (as it should be called) is nothing new to DLLs. All shared library environments encounter it at some point or another. Even Java has this problem to some extent. Of course, it's vogue to just bash MS for it, because they are the root of all evil, right? Well, when they keep on having the same problem over and over and over and over again... This is what we like to call stupidity. No one else has seemed to solve it. Sun made Java long after Microsoft had DLL problems. By your logic, Sun is way more stupid than Microsoft. It's one thing to perpetuate a problem it's another thing entirely to build it into your system. The problem is a general one, it's just another example of you loonies blaming MS for a common problem. -c -- From: Todd Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:13:24 -0700 On 15 Jun 2001, Jon Johansan wrote: If thats a little rich for your blood, you can get a single S/390 node running vm/linux (suse, ibm) with all the licensing you need (including DB2 and software) for right around 600,000 US dollars, not including shipping and installation. Wow - just what I need to run my Free OS on - what a savings! I would hardly consider IBM to be a linux related company. Lets say that IBM is just a company looking to borrow some hype from Linux for the simple reason it's not-MS and cause it was easy to port to their already running *nix systems. Err, actually, the IBM mainframes were not running unix before, the IBM line that runs unix is their RS/6000, which runs AIX, and I haven't heard of anybody porting linux to that chip. In any case, if somebody had, I would hardly call it easy, it is a totally different architecture, and does not have segmented memory, which linux uses for it's own purposes. -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:55:51 -0700 Nick Condon wrote: GreyCloud wrote: Thaddius Maximus wrote: You keep using the term American democracy, would you please explain to this American its context in the scheme of the US Constitution? Even our pledge of Allegiance says its a republic. So what? Republic just means you haven't got a monarch. de·moc·ra·cy (d-mkr-s) n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies 2.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #277
Linux-Advocacy Digest #277, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 19:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Dave Martel) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Here's a switch for a change (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (GreyCloud) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Form@C) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (GreyCloud) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (.) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Gary Hallock) Re: More micro$oft customer service (.) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud) Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud) Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:17:14 -0500 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL---No one has ever suggested that it goes through Microsoft's servers. But Microsoft's software does change the structure of the web page by adding hyperlinks that the author never intended. Microsoft is clearly involved. PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH *YOUR* THICK SKULL--- I can make more structural changes to a page by changing fonts, colors, turning off graphics and sounds. Hell, I can use a text-only browser. Is the author of my text-only browser involved in a copyright issue? Dan -- From: Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:16:33 -0600 SuSE Linux 7.2 for i386 Arrives, IA-64 On the Way http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-06-15-010-20-NW-SS SuSE Linux 7.2 has been released today, in its usual Personal and Professional flavors. What is not usual is the fact that SuSE GMbH has about to release a new flavor of SuSE on June 20: the first commercial distribution of Linux ported to the new Intel Itanium 64-bit processor. SuSE Linux 7.2 for IA-64 will be based on Linux Kernel 2.4.4 Besides the actual operating system, the IA-64 release comprises of 1,500 applications on 6 CD-ROMs, enabling the setup of Intranet and Internet solutions as well as setup and protection of heterogeneous networks. Professional users get all tools needed for setting up WWW, proxy, mail, and news servers in Linux. The support of large files up to 4 TByte equips SuSE Linux 7.2 for IA-64 for utilization as server system for complex database applications. snip This release, which comes a mere three months after the release of the SuSE 7.1 version... MS better start cracking the whip if they want to keep up with linux. :) -- From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:19:13 -0500 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your example, only two parties are involved. The web page developer and the user. The user has the right to change the way they view the web page. Even there, I doubt if adding new links would fall under fair use, but let's pretend that it does. In the Smart Tags situation, a third party (Microsoft) changes the way you, the user, view the work of the author. By doing so, they are infringing on the copyrights of the author. Baloney, Joe. You clearly have not seen this in action or you wouldn't be making such ridiculous claims. Dan -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:21:25 -0700 Ayende Rahien wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... No. It had become a moot point anyway... MS says I don't qualify. I'll go to Metrowerks compiler. They make compilers for a lot of different platforms. What do you mean, you don't qualify? You mean that you can't get the SP? That is correct. They won't give me one. I understand that you are on 28.8 I suggest that you would get Go!zilla or download accelerator and download it. Shouldn't take
Linux-Advocacy Digest #278
Linux-Advocacy Digest #278, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 19:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Mart van de Wege) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Richard Thrippleton) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (GreyCloud) Re: MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain! (Rex Ballard) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Nigel Feltham) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (GreyCloud) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Nigel Feltham) Re: Linux wins again (GreyCloud) Re: Linux Magic Filter Printing (GreyCloud) From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:48:33 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No matter how you look at it (if you bother looking rationally), it is a big deal. From a creative author's standpoint, it's very negative since Microsoft is changing the content of the site. In fact, to the extent that the links are one element of the author's intent, Microsoft is even changing the intent of an author's site. From a practical standpoint, it's negative. Microsoft is now able to steer ALL INTERNET USERS to their site -- regardless of what the viewer wants. From a business standpoint, it's negative. It gives Microsoft the ability to usurp the web sites of their competitors -- or even companies they don't like much. From an advocacy standpoint, it's negative. Microsoft can effectively deface the pages of anyone supporting alternatives to the MS monopoly. It has a huge number of negatives and few, if any positives. Relax, Joe. Have you even seen it? You sound *extremely* paranoid here. I have seen it. Now. Instead of ad hominem attacks, what part of my objection is factually incorrect? NOTHING. -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:48:51 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither Google nor anonymizer changes the _content_ of pages. If they start changing the content, then they should be stopped. Smart Tags do not change the *content* of pages, either. It just presents more navigation options to the individual user. For a web page, hyperlinks are part of the content. -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:49:52 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ayende Rahien wrote: Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... You, as a user, have certain rights under the fair use doctrine. Presumably, looking at the text only, or changing fonts, or similar things would fall under fair use. Microsoft, as a third party, does not have the same rights. They do have the rights to fair use, but what they're doing would almost certainly not fall under that doctrine. Your analogy stinks. Don't I, as the user, have a right to *want* those smart tags? You do not have the right to change my intellectual property, unless I grant you that right. Really? So what if turn off your graphics and sounds? Have I changed your intellectual property? These are all user-level options. I can do whatever I want to the display of *your* intellectual property on *my* computer, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. That's absolutely true -- and falls under the Fair Use Doctrine I already described to you. But for Microsoft to create a piece of software that automatically makes changes to the content does not. What part of that don't you understand? -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:54:25 -0700 The Ghost In The Machine wrote: In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:26:22 +0200 9gce0s$1o7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Your stock options are almost toilet paper as it is,
