Re: bootdisk
Joel Hammer wrote: I can't tell you how to make a boot disk for Suse. But, you might be able to boot from the Suse cdrom. One way that never fails is to have a small partition always available to run a second version of linux or to install a new version of linux so you can access the old partition. Joel Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 04:52:14AM +0530, zohar wrote: I am using SUSE 7.1 and I want to make boot disk for linux. I have made it before but after it was done in HDDs MBR I was not using and today when I again tried to use it, it is not working , may be a floppy corruption. Please try to reply ASAP as linux partition has some imp data. You can use the install floppy. After asking a few priliminary questions there's a section where you are asked if you want to install or boot an existing system. I believe a boot from the cd does the same thing. Once in use Yast System to make another boot floppy. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: kernel recommendations
Net Llama wrote: --- Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been off the linux lists for a couple of weeks. Is 2.4.17 a safe kernel for upgrading? Its what i've been using on all of my boxes. Not a single problem. I'm running SuSE's version of 2.4.16 here. Is there any features or bugfixes I'm missing by not running 2.4.17? ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux in German parliament
Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: For months, there has been a heated debate going on about introducing Linux as the core OS for about 5000 pc's in German parliament (Bundestag). The offspring of the debate was a campaign initiated by a group of MP's and IT professionells: http://www.bundestux.de/english.html which was heavily attacked by the German branch of Microsoft. Recently a study has been published comparing five possible scenarios. It favours a mini-Linux solution with WIN 2000 as the basic network system and some Open Source software for the workstations: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/data/anw-07.02.02-006/ Klaus I guess the Germans would rather spend their EuroDollars on foreign aid to M$ rather than support a home grown company like SuSe. It's a good thing for M$ that the Japaneese don't have a Linux distro. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 12:48:22PM -0500, Matthew Carpenter wrote: customized menu rather annoying. One thing nice I've found about SuSE, BTW, is that it includes FreeSWAN VPN solution in the box. Caldera, RH, and I believe Mdk can't say that. SuSE Pro seems to have the most packages of any distribution, it's famous for that. I couldn't find FreeSWAN on my system though, and I'm running 7.3, the latest. Where does it live at? ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 04:24:49PM -0500, Stew Benedict wrote: customized menu rather annoying. One thing nice I've found about SuSE, BTW, is that it includes FreeSWAN VPN solution in the box. Caldera, RH, Free/SWAN patches are in the Mandrake kernel, as well as the user space applications. This is a kernel patch? Now I know why I can't find it. ;-) I'm running the 2.4.16 update kernel, I assume it includes it too? Pardon me if I seem a little bit dumb at this point, I don't know much about VPN other than it's a solution for telecommuters? ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:17:38AM +1130, Mike Andrew wrote: then maybe there are some users we just don't need to attract. /sunday evening rant too bloody right. I've never been attracted to *nix. I use it because Bill Gates and Steve Jobs gave me no choice. Linux has some way to go before I 'like' it. A decent gui is one. The command line of *nix isn't just any ordinary command line, you can do a lot of tricks with it that no other OS can. If you use it only like an ordinary command line, like DOS or CP/M, then you're missing half it's strength. greedily, unnecessarily, expensive. It was the Apple ][ that introduced the bus concept, *the* item from above that made all the difference for the Oem. The S-100 bus existed as a standard bus on many CP/M boxes long before the Apple II, though Apple is to be commended for it's open specs for all of their hardware with the Apple II. (I recall with fondness reading the commented 6502 assembler that Apple provided in it's technical reference manuals.) Motorola fuelled to the 68040, a far better cpu in all respects than it's 80486 counterpart (not my say so, industry definition), Apple would not Intel beat the Motorollas only through brute force, eventually simply having more megahertz. Motorolla always had less clock cycles per instruction and a lot more elegance (Though to be fair the original 8080 wasn't intended to be a CPU, and we've been stuck with it's design flaws ever since.) reduce the price sufficiently to get the cpu chip-volume up, Motorola, sensibly, gave the public what it deserved. Intel. Well, there were other factors, such as IBM choosing the 8088 for it's PC. ;-) This decision was driven by the fact that the 8080 derived Z-80 at the time had the business market in CP/M boxes. (The 8080 and Z-80 were horrible, a total lack of useful addressing modes, specialized registers that made more sense for embedded controller applications than for a CPU, lots of instruction cycles for many instructions (which Intel didn't fix until the 80286, making efficient assembly programming a difficult art) etc. The 6502 of the Apple, a one-accumulator inexpensive cousin of the Motorolla 6800, was actually a better chip than the 8088 for everything but certain math intensive operations, or later on memory intensive applications once they started shipping lots of RAM with PC clones.) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
I'd like to post this not as a flame, but as a way of adding additional information and clearing up some misconceptions. Mandrake is a good distro, it has some strengths such as GUI-driven configuration that SuSE has not completely caught up with, but I thought I'd correct some of the information (not misinformation, I assume he simply doesn't know much about SuSE as he's not running it, or a recent version of it.) in this post. On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 04:40:41PM -0700, Tyler Regas wrote: Ah, but that's where Mandrake has succeeded where others, especially Red Hat have not. Mandrake just inked a deal with HP to provide two versions of 8.1 (I think) for the vast majority of *desktop* systems HP sells. Mandrake I'm happy about that, since I run an HP, but it's only an option for the business models. The home models that are sold in computer stores and elsewhere they aren't putting it on. Though at least HP isn't only putting it on servers like the rest. :-) being on the bleeding edge has put them into the position where they could accept this contract. Their system is the most complete, GUI-based Linux distro there is. Literally no feature must be edited from a text editor. No SuSE's a little bit bleeding edge, the kernel is 2.4.10, the latest kernel of any off the shelf distro (updatable at least to 2.4.16, if not more if you go to mantel's directory on the ftp sites.) but not too bleeding edge for production work. They're all there, its just that Mandrake has practically eliminated the need for the CLI tools. And don't think that this is _not_ what people It's not what *I* want, though it'd be nice at times to have them when knowledge is lacking and it's not in a situation where it would stomp on an existing custom-configured text file. Last, and certainly not least, is Linux. Even Red Hat, the self-appointed champion of the Open Source and Linux movements, has been unable to achieve the ease of use and GUI integration of Mandrake. There are few distros that Red Hat is not meant for the desktop, it's CEO and one of it's founders have both made statements to that effect. Once that's been considered the lack of GUI-driven tools versus having stable and more conservative versions of software becomes important; availability of servers, not the desktop, is their goal. What should be compared is Mandrake versus SuSE, as SuSE hasn't abandoned the desktop market completely, though it is closely involved with a partnership with IBM. (That will hopefully cure it's occasional financial worries.) come close to matching what Mandrake has been able to offer the desktop user. Combine Mandrake's Control Center, Mandrake Update (skip the kernel upgrade unless you've retained the stock kernel in your install, though), and Ximian's Red Carpet and you have a powerful GUI-based technology currency system in place. This is where Mandrake surely can shine, once they get the bugs out of the system. SuSE's Yast2 Online Updates system is pretty simple too though. Actually, the best currancy system would be something similar to Debian apt-get or BSD's port systems. Connectiva with it's apt for RPM system, and some non-mainstream Linux distros with a port system, are playing with this and it bears watching. (Debian would be a killer update system if the updates were, well, more up to date. ;-) Though as a server OS it's not a bad configuration, and maybe they're right to avoid the Kernel of Pain.) AFAIK, other than Red Carpet, the Mandrake tools are not present elsewhere. Similar things exist for updating SuSE, and there are more powerful tools for updating Debian, Connectiva, FreeBSD, Gentoo and Soceror. For GUI *configuration* however, Mandrake is the reigning champion; but a considerable amount of configuration *can* be done with SuSE's tools. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
Tyler Regas wrote: Don't you think that's pretty cynical? I happen to think that Mandrake has a very strong community connection. Hell, they post their nightly builds on Cooker, FCS! At 11:44 PM 2/2/2002, you wrote: Mostly SUSE and mandrake are going for servers with partners like IBM and such big names so they are trying to ignore the normal user and marketing of them to big firms is only done with the partner Believe you have SuSe and Mandrake confused with Caldera. I have sitting on the retail bookshelf boxed sets of Mandrake 8.1 and SuSe 7.2 for the desktop computer. Suse even included a sheet of stickers to plaster my box with and a pin to jam in my ballhat.Mandrake is running a Mandrake Club users list that periodically receives info from the company of interest to the common user and tech advice from other users. Lee --- Tyler Regas PHM Editor-in-Chief [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.pdahandyman.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Ted Ozolins wrote: I was at LWCE yesterday and found SuSE to be absent from the floor. Why am I not surprised. How in hell do you expect to interest people in considering linux if all they hear and see is XP? A correction on the SuSE mailing list: they are on the floor, near the IBM booth. The situation of people not knowing about Linux is probably going to change, IBM is airing advertisements now on TV. :-) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
Ted Ozolins wrote: On Thursday 31 January 2002 08:52 am, Tony Alfrey wrote: o: SuSE Linux List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I was at LWCE yesterday and found SuSE to be absent from the floor. I came to know later that they cancelled their spot. So with this and coupled with the fact that they laid off most of the US staff, does it mean that SuSE is no longer interested in US market? Lenz? I was also surprised to see Mandrake booth. This year, the floor was even smaller and attendence lighter. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Mandrake. Lately, they have begun to show an agressive streak. Imagine that the French advance while the Germans retreat. The next thing you know somebody will let the cat out of that bag that Gates runs Linux on his home computer. Lee -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
Rick Sivernell wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:02:44 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2002 7:45 am, Joel Hammer wrote: This is really interesting. MS is taking linux seriously. This means that we will see increasing incompatibility between MS and linux software, like samba. Just minor stuff, but enuf to make using a samba server not worth the trouble. And, expect to see more problems in translating MS documents into non-MS software, too. Why not. There are billions of dollars at stake. Snip Is it possible it could go the other way. Simply absorb Linux by making M$ applications easier to run in Linux with just enough M$ Proprietary script to keep from running afoul of the GNU when you sell it. With enough resources you could run the small companies specializing in this type of software out of business and force Linux to become dependent on M$. Before snorting ridiculous ask yourself what would you or someone else pay for a Linux compatible version of M$ word or Excel how many copies of Wine are sold each year? Hell! Gates has enough resources to even develop a M$ version of Linux based on the Caldera Greed model. As long as the profits come to M$ it should be a matter of indifference if a server is running Win, 2K, Xp, Nt or WinLinux. And if the thing has the usual M$ security caverns it would be Linux who would take the knocks. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Gimp
Recently a friend saw a preview of Linux on the Tech tv channel. He was particularly impressed with the portion devoted to GIMP and he asked me to install my version of SuSe 7.2 on his box. He likes Linux, but has a problem that I am not familiar with as I don't use Gimp much. Once Gimp has been opened how does he load photo files from the cdrom or windows side of the dual boot. Using FreeDisk it's possible to open the windows photo files, but can't find a way to load them in Gimp or save them back to the windows file after they have been worked on. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: another xfree 4.2.0 gotcha
On Friday 25 January 2002 12:09 am, Myles Green wrote: Must be a problem with GDM (you did say that was what you were using, correct?) because I use KDM when using RL5 and haven't had any problems. Is there a quick and dirty way for me to change to using GDM so I can What distro are you using? In SuSE you can change one line in /etc/rc.config (DISPLAYMANAGER=kdm) to gdm. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Mag OT
Just tried it. It works o.k.. I'm using Mandrake 8.0 with Netscape 4.77. Lee Bruce Marshall wrote: On Tuesday 22 January 2002 3:13 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:38:34 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The error I got from some of the failures was invalid byte code. | Hmmm I sez to myself. Could MS be planting a bogus bit of code in their | java created by Front Page to 'kill' all other browsers? Naw, they | wouldn't do that, would they?? | | Has anyone else seen a problem like this? Wouldn't suprise me. Still, a library IS publically funded. Any local Linux user groups should protest. Claim that the library is prejudiced against a minority and as a result making it difficult for their children to obtain acces to publically funded services. You know the rant. In fact, they probably never even considered non-Explorer in their system setup. BTW, did the Windows Netscape work? I couldn't find *any* browser other than Internet Exploder that would work. And I did complain to the library and got a nice reply that they were in the midst of changing their method of generating web pages blah blah blah... but after 3 months, nothing has changed. If anyone wants to try it, the url and sequence is: 1) www.npls.org 2) select 'online catalog' 3) select Java WEBpac The error I now get on mozilla after loading the java applet is: applet not initialized. (it bombed) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/22/02 08:58 + ++ He that would govern others, first should be the master of himself. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Mag OT
Bruce Marshall wrote: On Tuesday 22 January 2002 9:54 am, Lee wrote: Just tried it. It works o.k.. I'm using Mandrake 8.0 with Netscape 4.77. Lee Sure you got the Java version? (there's also a non-Java version of the catalog) Yeah. JavaWeb. Had to enable Java Script on my browser, normally run with it shutdown. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/22/02 10:12 + ++ Luck can't last a lifetime unless you die young. - Russell Banks ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: New Address, Job OT
On Tuesday 22 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: --- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 22 January 2002 06:07 am,Kurt Wall wrote: Hi, list, As hinted in other threads, I'm no longer a Hoosier. I accepted a position with a Linux startup based in Pittsburgh, PA, TimeSys Corporation, http://www.timesys.com/. Wow, it sounds like Pittsburg has come a long way from steel mills. No, not really. Keep in mind, Pittsburgh is where i lived before moving out to California last April. Pittsburgh is still a rather dreary, dirty, boring town (IMO). I don't even consider it a real city, just a sprawling urban area. Ah, but don't forget the corruption. Where else would the city commission drive the city deeply into debt to build three new stadiums (one for the baseball team, one for the football team, and one for the hockey team) when the tri-rivers stadium, which is still pretty much state of the art, is even paid for. This inspite of the fact that the voters voted down this form of blackmail by the team owners. And, the taxes are neat to. State income tax, state sales tax, city wage tax, county and city property tax and even a separate tax levied by the school board. Lee = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
Michael Hipp wrote: - Original Message - From: Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windoze will let you completely fubar the video settings to something above what the monitor will handle. Good luck getting that fixed without reinstalling the OS, when you have no video, no telnet, no ssh. All you gotta do is sit on your hands for 10 seconds and it will revert automatically to the previous (working) setting. That or use safe mode as someone pointed out. Never tried a dual-head setup. It's supposed to work on W2k. If the setting doesn't revert just power down.and reboot. During reboot depending on the motherboard hit F8 (some boxes F6) after the Bio boot presentation and before the Win system can start to boot. Or wait until you get the colored M$ logo when it starts to reboot and kill the power. Then reboot. This should take you into the dos menu. Select safe mode and let Win boot up. It will bootup in the VGA mode. Once in the Win safe window. Select the control paneldisplaysettings and change the settings back to their original settings. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Red Hat and ISDN
Graeme Jensen wrote: I've been trying for the past few months to get an ISDN internet connection up and running but to no avail. KDE finds my terminal adapter / modem OK and the provider settings are correct (Primary and Secondary DNS addresses, Passwords etc.) For some reason the process stalls with the message Setting Modem Volume. Changing CRTSCTS to off and other combinations produces the same response. I have a un connected corega FEther PCI-TXS Ethernet card. When the linux boots I get the message bringing up interface eth0 failed. Does this have some connection to the problem? The redhat sites have offered no solutions, I can't find the answer in the Red Hat Bible and other books. If you're running kppp, hit settings under the modem tab set volumn for zero. Under device set speed one above the modem speed, ex: 56k set for 115k. I've had the same problem before and for some reason this seems to solve the problem. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Mag OT
dep wrote: On Sunday 20 January 2002 19:24, Rick Sivernell wrote: | I was at the book store this afternoon, minding my own | bussiness. I picked up a Linux Mag, right in the middle of the mag | was a M$ web host ad. free XP and free that for isp's. That really | does take go nads. great! if microsoft is willing to spend money so that publications and sites that advocate linux can stay in business, that's just dandy. of course, microsoft ads would be more effective for microsoft in just about any other publication, including ms. and the dairy goat journal. but that's microsoft's concern, not ours. -- dep I believe that M$ is more concerned than just a little. After years of just ignoring Linux M$ has had a few nasty turn of events lately. XP is in the process of bombing and software writers are starting to advise businesses to look at Linux as an alternative to M$. Then Big Blue dumps $10 million worth of Linux software on the net so show their commitment to Linux. That drove the price of Red Hat from $4 a share to $8 on the market and Caldera's stock went from $.22/share to $1.89 (now back to $.95). Then their hot Linux memo gets leaked to the press and to add to their misery, Mandrake starts shopping around for businesses to highlight in their ads who have switched from M$ to Linux to counter M$'s ads. And, you know those IBM ads featuring the stolen servers being replaced by IBM's running Linux must be driving up sales of Rolaids in Redmond. Finally, AOL annpunces that it is in talks to buy Red Hat. Which would leave AOL to go after a piece M$'s desktop market while IBM! keeps thumping away at M$'s server market. Gates might start feeling like a wagonmaster under indian attack who is one wagon short of circling the wagons. Lee There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
[Fwd: Screem]
Original Message Subject: Screem Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:11:12 -0500 From: Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Installed Mandrake 8.0 a while back and still investigating all the goodies that install with it in full install. One of these is a beastie, under internet on the menu, called Screem. Accessed to see what it did. I got some type of bootup screen featuring a woman in black and white in the act of screaming along with a bootup log that didn't boot. Lacking any type of tool bar the thing couldn't be shut down. Was forced to shut shutdown and reboot three times before it finally went away, but then a strange thing. The X server now takes a long time to come up and there is a long between logging in at the kde or gnome log in and the presentation of the kde/gnome window. After the desktop window finally comes up everything behaves normally. The questions are What the heck is Screem and what does it do? How does it boot? Once accessed how do you shut it down? And finally, what does it have to do with the X server? Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Fwd: Screem]
Much thanks. Didn't know that, but iy sure will come in handy. Bruce Marshall wrote: On Friday 18 January 2002 17:13 pm, Lee wrote: Original Message Subject: Screem Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:11:12 -0500 From: Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Installed Mandrake 8.0 a while back and still investigating all the goodies that install with it in full install. One of these is a beastie, under internet on the menu, called Screem. Accessed to see what it did. I got some type of bootup screen featuring a woman in black and white in the act of screaming along with a bootup log that didn't boot. Lacking any type of tool bar the thing couldn't be shut down. Was forced to shut shutdown and reboot three times before it finally went away, but then a strange thing. The X server now takes a long time to come up and there is a long between logging in at the kde or gnome log in and the presentation of the kde/gnome window. After the desktop window finally comes up everything behaves normally. The questions are What the heck is Screem and what does it do? How does it boot? Once accessed how do you shut it down? And finally, what does it have to do with the X server? Lee Not related to your main questions, but you are aware that a Ctl-Alt-ESC in X will give you a skull-and-crossbones for a cursor? After getting that, just click in any window and that window will be killed. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/18/02 17:18 + ++ An expert is someone from out of town. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Weird Shutdown/halt in SuSE 7.3
What it means in SuSe 7.2 and Mandrake is that the box was shut down before the program had finished shutting down. It may be that 7.3 has a bug in it that stops program shut down before it has finished and the first thing it does at reboot is to check the file sysytem to insure that none of the files have been damaged. The same thing happens sometimes on my Mandrake/SuSe dual boot. The only way I have of preventing it is when the program shuts down is to tell it to reboot and power down duing the bio bootup. Lee Ian Marchak wrote: Susan Macchia wrote: Hi all, I recently switched from RH 7.0 to SuSE 7.3. While happy overall, I have noticed some wierdness when shutting down or halting SuSE (either thru the kdm GUI or using /sbin/shutdown -h). SNIP And when I boot up or (reboot), my disk(s) always get fscked (/dev/hda2 has the SuSE distro root) - message below: /dev/hda2 not cleanly unmounted, check forced /dev/hdb7 has my home partition and sometimes this has the same message/check. Has anyone experienced this? Should I be worried? I don't have APM that I know of as my dell was bought in 1998 with Win98FE. I went to the knowledge base at SuSE and there wasn't really much help; all the info was on early SuSE versions. Any help would be appreciated here; I am concerned that this may cause problems with my disks in the future. I too have experienced this...still am, but the machine is rarely rebooted so I forgot about it. I suspected and investigated the SuSE shutdown scripts were missing doing something...my scripting skills failed to see a problem though. I can at least confirm you aren't the only one. I too am curious what's up. -- Linux SxS [http://hal.humberc.on.ca/~mrcn0031/sxs/] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Microsoft Support OT
Hermann-Josef Beckers wrote: Am Mittwoch 16 Januar 2002 05:25 schrieben Sie: On January 15, 2002 08:54 am, Kurt Wall wrote: I have told them that MCSE stands for Must Consult with Someone Else, Mouse Certified System Engineer Mandrake Consultant Suse Expert To show how good Microscruff support is here in Franklin Florida there is only one certified Win 2000 tech and he refuses to install or troubleshoot Win 2000 and wouldn't stock XP in his shop. That leaves those misguided individuals who use these crash and burn systems to call their local friendly uncertified Linux tech for help. Of course it gives me a chance to point out that such a thing could not happen if they used a real OS. One of them, a day trader, after the third time he had to call for help cleaning all the nasty viri on his machine that he keeps picking up on the net wants me to build him a Win 2000 Linux dual boot. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: help-configmg
Even though this a Linux list, we Linux users are always concerned for our brethren who are in error (Windows Users). The most obvious solution would be to switch to a Linux OS. SuSe is German made and is user friendly. But, your problem may not be with your Win system ( such as I hate to say it) it may be hardware connected. If your hard drive is going bad it might be in the sectors reserved for bootup of the operating system. That would explain why when you first load Windows it works for awhile the goes bad. If this the case you might try to run scandisk surface check and have your computer block off bad sectors. It does this automatically. This would be just be a temporary fix as once a hard drive starts to go it keeps getting worse. Another test would be to load a Linux system (Caldera, Mandrake, SuSe, Red Hat, ect) and use for awhile. If boot problemscomes back with Linux replace your hard drive. Lee sencer vardarman wrote: hallo, Guy Van Sanden I?m a K7S5A+?XP1800+?+ASUS Gf2 user from Berlin. Since my first start I alwais receive ?While Initializing device CONFIGMG: Windows Protection Error. You need to restart your computer.? with every cold start. And the computer is very unstabil. It doesn?t make fun when it crashes by saving, wich happens often. The one who built and sold it says it is not his problem. I installed Windows again. Nothing changes. I tested the memory with memetest86. No mistakes. I check what Windows offers on ist web pages. Nothing helps. ... Can you help me to solve this problem. or If I can be sure, that it is his mistake, I can make some more preasure on that guy who sold it to me. But if I bring the computer to some Profies to be tested, it will cost me some hundred ?s (no more DMs #61514; ) I can not pay it. Hlp! Sen __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Test of Peanut Linux
Rick Sivernell wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:55:02 + (utc) Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Test of V-mail on Peanut Linux ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users I see you got peanut to install and run. that is more than it did for me. -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users I bought a BEOS cd with Peanut Linux on it as a bonus from Cheapbytes for $5. I installed Peanut Linux through the Win98 side of my Penta boot machine. The first time I got the dark screen of death after install bootup. Went back and reinstalled. This time I configured the X-server up with minimum values (250 colors). After installation the thing booted up and I reconfigured the video card. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Copying Boot disk.
Previously, you (Bruce Marshall) wrote: On Friday 11 January 2002 16:42 pm, Lee wrote: Thanks for the help. Used Yast2 as Glenn suggested, but that makes an install disk. To boot into the installed system from it you have to boot into install at lightoff. Leave the cd out of the tray answer the install questions until you get to the install menu. Select install. That takes you to a new menu that has boot installed system as an option. Select that. Then answer the question that wants to know what partition to boot. Then just sit back, put your hands in your pockets and watch the bootup scroll until it reaches the kde login screen. It's slow and cumbersome, but as it's only for a backup to the normal disk it ain't bad. Although it would be nice to just copy the boot disk from floppy disk to floppy disk. Thanks again guys. Now I don't have to worry about the dog eating the boot disk. Lee Did you try the method I suggested for copying your original boot floppy? using 'dd' ?? Yeah, only it didn't work. Kept getting either no such device or no such file (even in root). I think it may have something to do with SuSe 7.2 keeping floppy in a file called /media. Tried substituting /media/floppy and /media/fd0 for /device/floppy and fd0 but it didn't work. But then, we're dealing withthe folks who invented the panzerwagon beetle. Lee P.S. Please disregard any mispellings. I'm using peanut Linux now for a hoot and the V-mail doesn't have a spell corrector. So, I've got to wing it for spelling and typos. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/11/02 16:48 + ++ All that trembles doesn't fall. -- Russian proverb ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Copying Boot disk.
Recently built a quad boot (Win98/Mandrake 8.0/W3.1b/SuSe 7.2) box. To keep down traffic congestion in the mbr I boot into the SuSe using a floppy boot disk. For safety's sake I want to make a few duplicate boot disks. No matter how I try to go about it I get an error message that says the floppy drive can't recognize the file system on the floppy boot disk, except in Win where the error messages claims that the floppy boot disk isn't formatted. How do you make a copy of a linux boot floppy in general and SuSe in particular. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Windows (OT)
Douglas J Hunley wrote: Lee babbled on about: No need to get touchy. An occasional Microgreed question isn't going to destroy the list. And, there is an awful lot talent available here. As for the original question I would advise getting a copy of Partition and Bootmagic 5 or above. Set up two NT partitions and load the Microscruff OSs in them and use bootmagic to select which one will boot. It also comes in handy if you want to install a legitimate OS (Linux) on the same box with Gates' crash cookies. I wasn't getting touchy. I was simply informing the original post that there is a seperate list for non-linux questions. We've lost members in the past because the brief amount of time they were on the list their was more non-linux talk than there was linux talk. i enjoy (and even start) the occasional OT thread. I was just illustrating to the poster and other new members that we *do* have a forum where this thread is on-topic and not off-topic. -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf panic(huh?\n); 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/kernel/smp.c ___ I stand corrected. Lee Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] Linux Tutorials On-line or downloadable
On Monday 07 January 2002 06:02 am, Shane Broomhall wrote: I am planning on moving from Windows 2000 to linux with in the next month. I have basic linux skills, but I am by no means a competent user. I am hoping that people on this list will be able to point me towards on-line or downloadable tutorials or books that will help me increase my knowledge. I If you don't mind me mentioning a book, the book Unix Power Tools from O'Reilly is very useful. The title's a bit misleading as the main focus is not the free power-tool software on the CD but rather it is a bunch of many very interesting tips and tricks culled from O'Reilly experts and online Usenet newsgroups. (Back when Usenet was a great place to find information.) These tips and tricks apply to Linux since Linux is a Unix clone, and it mentions Linux equivalents every now and then when needed. Also this book is unique in that it has constant cross references to related information, a bit like a print version of a web-page. Another thing you'll want to know more about in Linux is Perl; O'Reilly's books are the best on that subject too. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: internal modem
zohar wrote: one of my friend says the internal modem is an internal modem while other says it is a Winmodem. I think it is Winmodem as it has no processor like thing of itself. I want to connect Linux to internet as I want it to be able to download it linux material in Linux partition. So I think I have to brought a external modem . In all this I am confused. Do any one have encountered this or have some idea about this ? As a general rule, PCI modems won't run in Linux. There are some exceptions for example US Robotics makes a 56k fax PCI modem that sets up on Linux OSs using kernel 2.4 or higher. On ISA type modems the usual way to tell a Win modem from a Linux adaptable modem is the presence of jumpers (plugs) that allow you to hand set the comm port and irq the modem will use. If you got them not win modem if your modem lacks them it's probably Win. ISA is getting a little rare these days but SmartLink (Archtek) still makes a 56k BTS model that works ok and doesn't cost a bundle. The cheapest place to get these is on the Ebay auction. For real trouble free modems go external. With them it's simply a matter of plugging the thing into your computer and identifying ttyS0 (comm port 1) as the comm port to use. The best ones are US Robotics 56k, but they usually have the highest prices. Myself, I run a Smartlink external that I bought for $10 on the ebay auction on the one triple boot system I run. Peanut Linux uses the external on ttyS0 and Mandrake and SuSe use the Smartlink on ttyS2 without conflict. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
SuSe 7.2 Realplayer
Set up SuSe 7.2 on two different boxes. On one it loaded during install and needed no other effort to use than selecting it from the multimedia menu list. On the other box, however, it didn't load during installation. No problem, just popped the cd in the cd-rom and clicked on the realplayer rpm. Error message that it could only be loaded by root. Logged out and back in as root. Popped in the cd again clicked on the Realplayer rpm and it loaded and worked. logged back in as user. Realplayer was listed as a menu item under multimedia. clicked on realplayer. The thing half loaded then stopped and locked up. No matter how many times I tried got same results: Realplayer operates normally in root, but locks up during load in user mode. Any idea what I either forgot to do or did wrong when I installed realplayer from the SuSe cd as root? Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IT jobs Florida
Randy wrote: On Thursday 03 January 2002 10:21 am, you wrote: Randy wrote: Any Floridians on the list? What does the IT sector look like down there? This is my last northern winter. Thanks, Randy Donohoe Every kid out of high school bills him/herself as a computer whiz kid and the state's college's and universities turn out system science types by the dump truck full. Although,there is a defense industry settled in around Orlando As for weather, in my part of the state (Panhandle) the only way you can tell summer from winter is the rain is cold in the winter and warm in the summer. Lee Is Florida still in a drought? Randy Donohoe No. It's pretty much over, at least for this part of the year. We just missed some snow up here in the panhandle a few days ago. Now that would have been some cold rain. Temps right now are running in the mid fifties in the day to the low 40s to high 30s in the evening. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Will they recommend LINUX????
Not likely. It's not just the politicians but the so-called system science bureaucrats. Example: Florida just finished shaving half a billion dollars from the budget. I suggested to the governor's office, his budget office, state purchasing office that they forgo Win XP and the upgrade of many of the state's computers that XP would require and identify where Linux would be better suited as a way to save money. Additionally, many state agencies pay outside contractors to develop speciality software which they then lease back to the state even though Florida paid to have it developed. Linux would save the state a bundle. Unfortunately, it would mean that the state's system science people would have to learn something new and might even be required to write some of those special programs. Then there is the cost of lost revenue to outside contractors that a loss of lease payments would bring. The result: Windows stays firmly entrenched and the taxpayers get to support MS's lawyers and political campaign contributions. R. Quenett wrote: Perhaps they'll urge Americans to switch to a safer OS ;-) Not likely during the curreuired to nt administration. Or any other. Government doesn't _do_ 'open'. It's poisonous to the culture. R Ps.. a healthy and prosperous new year to all, and congrats and thanks to all involved in producing the sXs and its content.. impressive and useful r ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IT jobs Florida
Randy wrote: Any Floridians on the list? What does the IT sector look like down there? This is my last northern winter. Thanks, Randy Donohoe Every kid out of high school bills him/herself as a computer whiz kid and the state's college's and universities turn out system science types by the dump truck full. Although,there is a defense industry settled in around Orlando As for weather, in my part of the state (Panhandle) the only way you can tell summer from winter is the rain is cold in the winter and warm in the summer. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: otchristmas and its HOT!
Burns MacDonald wrote: David spake: That would be fine if you stuck to inches all the time but: 12 inches = 1 foot 3 feet = 1 yard yards = 1 mile From my Navy years: 1760 yards to a nautical mile. A nautical mile is 1 minute of latitude at the equator. a 'cable' is 200 yards a shackle is about 90 feet a fathom is 6 feet For more measuring trivia, see http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/ It is truly mind-boggling and aptly demonstrates the need for a simple, global 10-based suystem. -- burns Why base 10? Because we have 10 fingers, or toes? What about octal and base 16? After all as we evolve to Homo computerus our bellies will probably swell until we can't count our toes and our fingers will evolve into two elongated digits, to push keyboard keys, and an opposable thumb as an aid to load paper in our printers. Thus, base 10 will become obsolete. So let's switch to base 16 and start computerizing the world. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: questions
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most of the list isn't offended by mention of that other OS. Matter-of-fact, a lot of us run dual boot with it and have asked more than a few questions regarding how to get Gates' wingreed to run smoothly with our Linux systems not to mention Wine questions. I believe Wine is used to run Wingreed applications in Linux. Caldera? A lot of us on this list are closet Caldera users and certainly the marriage of Linux with Unix is of interest. Lee zohar wrote: Respected Sir, My first question was about caldera. I am not using caldera and this is not a question regarding caldera only. I am using SUSE 7.1 pro. I saw this advertise yesterday on TV so I asked it on this group because I think active users on this groups are more knowledgeable regarding systems than any Window user who are using the thing but does not know what it is doing and how? So was for Norton, Firewall, mail and UPX file compressor. I am not concerned about particular vendor's product but want to know how technology works. Then also if you do not want to answer please please mail me(even offlist will do) so from further I will only put here linux specific questions. - Original Message - From: Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: Re: questions I think you may have wandered onto the wrong mailing list. This list is for Linux, and only Linux. Not UNIX, and certainly not anything from M$. Your Caldera question might be better addressed on a Caldera specific mailing list. A packet, is a packet, is a packet, regardless of which OS produces it. A firewall analyzes packets, and blocks specific packets based on the criteria that you specify when configuring the firewall. Visual Basic questions are M$ specific, and have no place on this list. --- zohar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CALDERA says that it providing a solution of UNIX and LINUX integrating it. What other than networking is the same between this two OS. I have heard many times in last few days that normal firewall can only blocks the packets that come from Windows while they are not effective on the packets that come from other OS. Can you give me some more knowledge related to it. Which Firewall can handle this kind of situation. On one site it was mentioned that an e-mail can be multiparty other than pure HTML or text and this are more likely to contain ActiveX and scripting like more powerful programs which are made able to run some malicious code. Please say something more about this and which mail application can better handle this. What is UPX file compressor of Visual Basic. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: otchristmas and its HOT!
Keith Antoine wrote: Here I am sitting with towel round waist at 6.20pm after coming out of shower for the 4th time today, also having had the machine shut down 4 times also. It got to 37C about 1.30 and is still 30C at the moment. Fans do little to cool one down and I had 3 travel jobs to do today. That meant driving with aircon struggling, so much so that I burnt my hand getting back in after an hr and 30 on the steering wheel, also the safety belt buckle was just to hard to fasten. There is no sign of a good storm to cool things down. 37C? What does that come to in real temperature (F)? ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Windows98: Command prompt?
You shouldn't have to go into MSDOS to load XP. The thing should load directly from cdrom. Unless the thing is being idoitic and refuses to load because the hd already has an OS (if you can call it that) on it that can't be upgraded by the new OS. If so use the Win install disk to format the hd, or hit F6 or F8 (varies for different boxes) when the bios have finished booting but before Windoze boots. That should take you into a menu that will let you order up C prompt. Type in C: format c: and at the prompt type y for you don't mind that the WIN OS is wiped away. Then the thing should load. Or you can use MSDOS by accessing the start menu and under programs MSDOS should be there it's not an option. If not, and Windoze XP needs to load through MSDOS you can do what I had to do with a Win 2000 that wouldn't load except through MSDOS, reload the WIN 98 without worrying about pnp or drivers for the hardware. After install access MSDOS through the start - program menu. Joel Hammer wrote: A bit OT but: Does anyone know how to get a MSDOS prompt on a window98 computer which doesn't list that option anywhere? My son needs to backup everything from his new laptop which has windows98. It would be easiest just to run ftp from the command line but we can't find a way to get an MSDOS prompt on his fancy HP powerful laptop computer. The fancy windows GUI ftp client doesn't have a way to select all files at the same time. I know, I know, dump windows, but he has to use windows at school. Everytime I work with windows I am astounded by what an awful operating system it is but its what we have to work with. He is tired of windows98 crashing several times per day. So, he is going to install XP professional ($20 [no upgrade] from his school bookstore.) I may be tempted at that price. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: otchristmas and its HOT!
David Aikema wrote: On December 22, 2001 06:51 pm, Lee wrote: Keith Antoine wrote: Here I am sitting with towel round waist at 6.20pm after coming out of shower for the 4th time today, also having had the machine shut down 4 times also. It got to 37C about 1.30 and is still 30C at the moment. Fans do little to cool one down and I had 3 travel jobs to do today. That meant driving with aircon struggling, so much so that I burnt my hand getting back in after an hr and 30 on the steering wheel, also the safety belt buckle was just to hard to fasten. There is no sign of a good storm to cool things down. 37C? What does that come to in real temperature (F)? C = 5/9(F-32) so... which works out to roughly 100F David Aikema That's one thing about us rude colonials we still use the mother country's measuring system so we don't have to remember all those complicated math formulas. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: otchristmas and its HOT!
Jay Nugent wrote: Greetings, On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Lee wrote: David Aikema wrote: On December 22, 2001 06:51 pm, Lee wrote: It got to 37C about 1.30 and is still 30C at the moment. Fans do little to cool one down and I had 3 travel jobs to do today. That meant driving with aircon struggling, so much so that I burnt my hand getting back in after an hr and 30 on the steering wheel, also the safety belt buckle was just to hard to fasten. There is no sign of a good storm to cool things down. 37C? What does that come to in real temperature (F)? C = 5/9(F-32) so... which works out to roughly 100F David Aikema That's one thing about us rude colonials we still use the mother country's measuring system so we don't have to remember all those complicated math formulas. Too bad we blew it back in the late 70's, early 80's when we were *supposed* to move over to the metric system. Base-10 is FAR better a measurement scale than Base-the-kings-feet and other arbitrary scales. Metric is just as arbitrary as a king's foot being 12 inches long rather than 10 and 36 inches from tip of his nose to finger tips. In the universe there's nothing more arbitrary than the circumference of the Earth or boiling and freezing point of pure water at one standard Earth atmosphere. 0c = pure water freezes 32f 100c = pure water boils (at sea level) 212f 1g = 1cc pure water (in liquid state) 1calorie = raise 1cc pure water 1c in 1minute Dang! Nice how dimensional measurements and mass and temperature all relate to one another like Those that sacrifice essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Ben Franklin (1759) ++ | Jay Nugent [EMAIL PROTECTED](734)971-1076(734)971-4529/Fax| | Nugent Telecommunications [www.nuge.com] (734)649-0850/Cell | | Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering Design/ISP Reseller | | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP Modem Performance Monitoring | | Web-Pegasus[www.webpegasus.com] Web Hosting/DNS Hosting/Shell Accts| | LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net] Registrar of the .linux TLD| ++ 10:00pm up 22 days, 18:44, 7 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: otchristmas and its HOT!
David Aikema wrote: On December 22, 2001 07:54 pm, Lee wrote: Too bad we blew it back in the late 70's, early 80's when we were *supposed* to move over to the metric system. Base-10 is FAR better a measurement scale than Base-the-kings-feet and other arbitrary scales. Metric is just as arbitrary as a king's foot being 12 inches long rather than 10 and 36 inches from tip of his nose to finger tips. In the universe there's nothing more arbitrary than the circumference of the Earth or boiling and freezing point of pure water at one standard Earth atmosphere. That would be fine if you stuck to inches all the time but: 12 inches = 1 foot 3 feet = 1 yard yards = 1 mile then for volumes teaspoons, tablespoons, cups, pints, quarts, gallons, etc. In metric: its all in the prefixes ... you don't need to memorize whole new things all the time each prefix is related to the others by multiples of 10 David Aikema That's why we're so much better at Base eight and hexadecimal than the French. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: otchristmas and its HOT!
Jay Nugent wrote: Greetings, On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Lee wrote: Jay Nugent wrote: Snip Too bad we blew it back in the late 70's, early 80's when we were *supposed* to move over to the metric system. Base-10 is FAR better a measurement scale than Base-the-kings-feet and other arbitrary scales. Metric is just as arbitrary as a king's foot being 12 inches long rather than 10 and 36 inches from tip of his nose to finger tips. In the universe there's nothing more arbitrary than the circumference of the Earth or boiling and freezing point of pure water at one standard Earth atmosphere. Yeah, but how do you start from scratch unless you happen to have the king's body laying around somewhere. At least with a *water* standard, your referance is available in abundance on the vast majority of the planet. There was only ONE king and he's pretty rotted away by now so we can't really be sure that our measurement system is even in calibration anymore... ;-) We can recalibrate against a water standard at anytime. --- Jay Actual we don't need to. The US bureau of Standards maintains a metal standard for the inch, foot, yard in a temperature controled environment along with metric and atomic standards for wave length standards. As far as pure water there is no such thing in the universe. Any planet that has sufficient atmosphere pressure and te mperature to maintain water in the liquid state also has gasepus impurities that end up in the water effecting it's boilling and freezing points. Those that sacrifice essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Ben Franklin (1759) ++ | Jay Nugent [EMAIL PROTECTED](734)971-1076(734)971-4529/Fax| | Nugent Telecommunications [www.nuge.com] (734)649-0850/Cell | | Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering Design/ISP Reseller | | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP Modem Performance Monitoring | | Web-Pegasus[www.webpegasus.com] Web Hosting/DNS Hosting/Shell Accts| | LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net] Registrar of the .linux TLD| ++ 11:00pm up 22 days, 19:44, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Which One?
Collins Richey wrote: [ snips ] On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:06:27 -0500 Douglas J. Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded from a newsgroup, but I'd like to know what you all think.. I've copied the author. Please continue to copy on replies... ,--- Forwarded message (begin) Subject: Which One? From: Kurtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:44:35 -0500 I am a SysAdmin, but mainly management, and in an NT/Exchange environment. I will never get good at Linux as a result of hands on, day to day work. I have experience only with RedHat but have not used the GUI except for when I have to, as I want to learn the command-line. I sense that to learn what it is all about, I need to practice a lot, compiling and recompiling kernels (I don't know anything about programming beyond the Hello World stuff; basic shell scripts) and figuring out how to download/install different applications. I'd like to learn VI, Emacs etc., as well. In order to be innovative and try to introduce some features that Linux offers in my work environment, I'd like to be able to use the NSA secure kernel. RH basically sets itself up, which is good. But having described what I want to do I'd like to solicit feedback on which variety of Linux I should try, and maybe specific projects that I could work on to get a good, well-rounded view of Linux. I could use either an old laptop, or P-133 in the corner from work. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Just a few ideas Kurtis: * I'm sure Doug has already let the cat out of the bag: Join our user group (goto http://linux.nf) and make use of the Step by Step site. IT'S A LIFETIME LEARNING LAB. * A P-133 or an old laptop is going to be S-L-O-W going. I've gotten a lot of mileage out of my K6/II300 (originally 64Meg, now 196Meg), but that's as slow as I'd care to go. Snip Speed is a relative term (or is that velocity according to Einstein). I ran a COL 2.2 for 2.5 years on a 200mmx with 32 Meg and was perfectly happy with it. Only moved up after my hd peeled. For experimentation I would second the idea of a dual boot. That way if you blow something up you're still on the line. If you're already familiar with Red Hat you might try one of the Mandrake distros as Mandrake likes to brag that they're 100% Red Hat compatible. On the box you described I'd recommend Mandrake 7.0 for starters. It's based on the older 2.15 kernel and is stable. Also it's a very easy to install system, relatively fast, and it even picks up and installs things like zip drives that happen to be connected to your computer during install. It is a bit hoggy with hd space though. For fun try Mandrake 8.0. It has a larger driver base for things like printers and three different web browsers that you can use (Netscape, Konquer, and Opera). It's built on the 2.4 kernel and things like usr 56k internal pci modems will run on it ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Newbies Prayers Answered!!!! (LONG)
Douglas J. Hunley wrote: ,--- Forwarded message (begin) Subject: Newbies Prayers Answered (LONG) From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 05:50:09 -0500 http://www.redmondlinux.org I have been following the development of Redmond Linux for a while now, never actually using it. I decided to change around my LAN, and figured now was as good a time as any to give it a try. All I can say is wow. Flawless install in under 20 minutes on a duron600@1050 abit kt7 256megs, generic nic, SBPC 128, tnt2 m64. If you're frustrated by linux, or are thinking about trying it out read on. This is simply the best option for those looking for a windows alternative, or a linux playground/schoolyard. Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://linux.nf Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net A day without sunshine is like... night. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users I tried the beta version about a year ago without the same results. While the thing installed easily I couldn't get it to run. Whenever I opened the menu the thing would lockup solid. Was running on a 586 200mmx with 64 meg of memory. The desktop background was neat thoufgh. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Mandrake e-mail
Have a little problem with e-mail on Mandrake 8.0. Using the installed version of Neyscape 4.77 for e-mail. Whenever I send e-mail it sends the copy to the addressee, but also sends a copy of the post back to me from my ISP. Have checked the setup and everything appears to be normal. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Hd question.
After running a Win95/col2.2 dual boot for 2.5 years the col2 suddenly shutdown down one night in the middle of an internet session. I mean the screen just went dark. The bootup was .located in the hda mbr. On reboot, boot magic failed with the error message that the linux partition couldn't be found. Took the opportunity to upgrade to e2.4. After two weeks it failed to bootup. Error message said something was cycling too fast and it would have to shut down for five minutes. Never booted up. Upgraded to w3.1. Lasted about three days before did the same thing. Boot and rescue disks failed to boot system. Shifted to Mandrake 7.0. After a month failed to boot. Error message said reading 1 bit in swap sync. Moved to Mandrake 8.0, 8.1 same results. The system is a Mainboard running a 200mmx Pentium with 64Meg memory and a Quantum 4 gig big foot hd. Only thing I can think of for this is that the hd may be going bad and files are getting corrupted in bad sectors. Any opinions? Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Hd question.
Net Llama wrote: Well, there's not much to go on here, but its fairly certain that its hardware failure somewhere. If the disk is still under warranty (and i believe that Quantum gave 3 yrs) then you can get it replaced at no charge. That may be the easiest route in the shortterm, unless you have a bit more info to go on. --- Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip It's an old hd 4gig have been running it for 2.5 yrs and bought it used. So ready to replace it anyway. The thging that galls me though is that the WIN 95 side of the dual boot has been running without problems. Lee= Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Is this a Caldera list?
Anita Lewis wrote: Sorry. Possibly a dumb question, but I saw a lot of Caldera stuff here and just wondered if this list is distro specific. Thanks. Anita No. but it was orginally formed from a core group who left the Caldera users site after some dissatisfactions with Caldera's management,Most of us were running Caldera along with other Linux systems. So, while the list isn't OS specific many of it's members run Caldera. Myself, I run Caldera, Mandrake, and even a fling with peanut Linux ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: new install init
Keith Antoine wrote: I have just installed Mandrake 8.1 on a server for someone, but for the first time I have had init problems on a clean install. It will not boot to kde and in a console it stops with a flashing console login screen, the its stosp and says:: init id x respawning too fast, disable for 5 min That seems to be a video card problem but the /etc/X11/XF86Config looks ok to me. What am I missing or what do i look for otherwise its a re-install with no guarantees it will work. card is linux compatible Nvidia gforce with video out, M200 I think from memory. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage Believe it's pretty much a Mandrake bug. 8.1. Like Richard III 8.1 was born into the world undone, as was its predecessor 8.0. I've installed 7.1, 8.0 and 8.1 on various boxes. Both 8.0 and 8.1 sent the same error message at bootup, but only after they had been operational for over a week. The video cards I was using was your general purpose S3 Trio or Virge with 4 MB. The only solution I was able to implement was go back to using 7.1. I think Mandrake, like Caldera and Red Hat have adopted the M$ new distro development model. After releasing a really good distro (Win 95, COL 2.2, Mandrake 7.1) follow it with one not quite so good and degrade the overall quality with each new release toward the ultimate crapzoid of XP. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: new install init
Tim Wunder wrote: Lee wrote: implement was go back to using 7.1. I think Mandrake, like Caldera and Red Hat have adopted the M$ new distro development model. After releasing a really good distro (Win 95, COL 2.2, Mandrake 7.1) follow it with one not quite so good and degrade the overall quality with each new release toward the ultimate crapzoid of XP. Huh!? Are you REALLY saying that Win95 was better than Win98SE? Are you REALLY saying that COL 2.2 was better than 2.4? Speaking as someone who's used all of the above, I would have to say that my experience sharply contrasts yours. Win98SE was definately a better product than the original Win95, which in light of the hype surrounding it is a much better candidate for ultimate crapzoid than XP is. Yes, that's what I'm saying. I use my computer for desktop work nothing exotic like calculation the value of pie to the last decimal place, just gp stuff. Also I run a small computer business on the side. Most of my work has been installing OSs on client's boxes in their own home. In four years I've had two Win95s come back. One was blasted when a squirrel shorted out the electric transformer on the pole and the system was on line. The other when an idiot decided to make space on his hd by removing unused files. 98 (either FE or Se) usually runs for about a year to a year and a half before I see it again. Too many bells and whistles and not enough OS engine. It's easy enough to understand why. When 95 was being developed Gates and crapany still had competition for the desktop market. OS/2 was still around and Win had to prove that was better. When 98 came out it was either Win or a blank screen. So M$ could taylor it to the same market that demands new chrome strips on this year's model car. But, as I said 98 was slightly worse than 95. Many of the 95 bugs were fixed, but 98 compensated by adding in its own. And it was the quality of eDesktop 2.4 that finally pushed me over the edge to using linux full time at home. Further, once you get past some of the installation issues with COL 3.1, it's a fine product in itself. I'm very pleased with both of my 3.1 installs at home. Neither of the Mandrake releases I've installed (7.1, 8.0) are as good, in my experience. I came to Linux from COL1.3 bought at flea market to COL 2.2 to 2.4 to 3.1. Mandrake wise from 6.2 to 7.1 to 8.0 and 8.1. The COL 2.2 that I installed on my dual boot (Win95/COL 2.2) ran for almost 3 years with little trouble. I should note that I am not of those who continually recompile their OSs for the latest updated thing-a-ma-giggy. Not critizing, Linux is different things for different folks. 2.2 did everything I needed, I was satisfied. Then one day in the middle of a net surf my monitor screen went black (not lost power just shut down) On reboot there was nothing there. Neither Boot Magic nor the Linux boot disk could find Linux on the hd. So, I upgraded to 2.4. Was ok. Netscape color was better, but it took longer to load. It did have one bad habit however. Sometimes, when I accessed the Get Message function on Netscape Communicator the Netscape window would shutdown when I entered my password. Two months after install, I got an error message telling me that one of the components was recycling too fast and boot would be shut down for five minutes. It never came back and wouldn't reboot even with a boot disk. Sooo. I installed 3.1. Pure turkey. The icons for floppy and cdrom or even terminal wouldn't access. Got message that the file /dev/floppy /dev/fd0/ /mnt/floppy/ /auto /floppy (take your pick) couldn't be found. That was strange in that the properties listing of the floppy icon listed the iso95660 driver as being loaded . Cdrom the same. Gave up in disgust and installed Mandrake 7.1. What an OS! On install it found and installed my cdrom, cd burner, zip drive and floppy. The system was fast and easy to use. Problems? Only two. The Scripting on Netscape could be better and the printer base is rather limited. But, like one of the chrome strip crowd I installed Mandrake 8.0 over it and later 8.1. Two turkeys. Same problem with the floppy and cdrom as 3.1 only not instead of can't find file it was you don't have permission to access the device, even as root. Also 8.0 and 8.1 have a nasty tendency of switching Xservers after install. Finally let common sense prevail and reinstalled Mandrake 7.1. Much happy again. I've also been using Win2K SP1 at work since March with very few problems. It is, by far, a better product than any of the Win9x releases. If not for my philosophical difference with how MS goes about doing business, I wouldn't mind using Win2K at home. And I really must question your opinion of XP being an ultimate crapzoid. Although I have no experience with using XP, I've read that the primay issues with the O/S are over licensing, not quality. Most of my work lately has been installing Junk 2000 on computers, because the only licensed 2000
Re: internal modem
zohar wrote: I have SUSE 7.1 professional installed on my system and have normal internal Winmodem through which I want to surf but computer engineer told that drivers for internal modem is not available. This was told about 4 months back. Is it now available and where. My modem is shown as HCF 56K PCI Modem which is installed on Com3 Winsock information is Description : WinSock 2.0 Version:2.2 Status: Running Enabled: Yes I have no network connection but my ISP is putting me on local intranet rather than internet so I am able to surf internet via his server. Please oblige me and write for any more information needed. If it's a Win Modem there is a high probability that it wouldn't work on Linux. Win modems usually lack onboard controllers and rely on Windows OS programs and your motherboard cpu. As M$ is reluctant to turn loose of its source code the few Win Modems (that rumor has it) that work on Linux are usually reverse engineered by some free lance genius. Intel does have one that is supposed to work on Linux and they even have a Linux driver for it driver for it on their net site listed as experimental. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printer Recommendations
Richard R. Sivernell wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:21:53 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:29:41 -0500 Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone care to recommend their favorite Linux-compatible color inkjet printer? I'm in the market for a new one. I don't *have* to own a color printer, but it would be nice. If a good yet inexpensive laser printer can be had for under $300, that would be nice, too. Thanks, Kurt Have had good luck with Canon S400 Bubble Jet. Good printer and CHEAP! I don't know about the newer Canon BJs, but the older ones took forever to power on and off - requiring massive cleaning each way. I have a Lexmark Z53 on my Winders PC now, at it's great. I'm using a Laserjet 100 on Linux, since I don't really care about color. For black and white stuff I use a HP 500, cheap, almost universal, and reliable. For color the Canon S400. It sells for around $80 and uses four cartridges. One for black, three for the standard colors. Makes it kind of nice if one color runs out you don't have pitch out all the cartridges, just replace the one that run out of ink. Cheaper that way (some ink cartridges cost almost as much as my HP500. Also, Canon wisely concluded that the average uses more BW than color and made the black ink cartridge three times larger than the color carts. -- Collins Richey Denver Area gentoo_rc6 k2.4.15-pre5+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Collins using a HP2000Cxi and Cups to a windows machine for printing, does that help. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera e-Server 3.1 Registered Linux User #193859 .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[Fwd: Mandrake Linux Community Newsletter - Issue #20]
Please excuse forwarding this to the list, but I think you might find the first item interesting. It's about time some Linux distro kicks M$ in the knee caps, even if they are French. Lee ---BeginMessage--- *** M A N D R A K E L I N U X C O M M U N I T Y N E W S L E T T E R Issue #20Tuesday, 27 November 2001 *** Welcome to the Mandrake Linux Community Newsletter -- dedicated to keeping you up-to-date with the latest Mandrake-related news info. You are receiving this newsletter because you have subscribed to one of the Mandrake services. To be removed from this mailing list, or to request the newsletter in a different language, please see the bottom of this page for instructions. *** This Week's Summary: Business Survey; Mandrake in the News; What's Cooking at MandrakeSoft?; Business Case of the Week; Software Updates; This Week's Online Poll; Top Stories from MandrakeForum; What's New at MandrakeUser.org? Top Story As you may have heard, Microsoft has been conducting a campaign to discredit Linux by collecting stories from business people who will claim We have switched from Linux to Windows, and we are happy. Not wanting to see this evil deed go unpunished ; ) MandrakeSoft is promoting our own Business Survey to show the world how Mandrake Linux is used in enterprises to deliver powerful and flexible solutions at much lower cost than M$ products. The Business Survey has already gathered some great responses -- a game development company uses Mandrake Linux as a programming platform; schools/universities using Mandrake Linux to teach courses; an ISP basing their main business on it; consultants and service providers who setup entire networks for their clients with MandrakeLinux; all the way to Mandrake Linux-based systems being used in a mission critical situation by a defense contractor. If you use Mandrake Linux for professional purposes, or if you know of a company that uses Mandrake Linux, please let us know the details! Send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Business Survey: COMPANY NAME in the Subject line, then a short description of how Mandrake Linux is being used in the body of your message. For more information please see: http://www.mandrakeforum.com/print.php?sid=1403lang=en Mandrake in the News ZDNET: Mandrake 8.1 offers superior server platform. Here's a wonderful article about some of the high-end capabilities of Mandrake Linux that we don't hear enough about: Mandrake Linux 8.1 is an excellent choice for organizations seeking a viable, stable, technologically advanced alternative to Windows-based servers. While its utility as an alternative desktop is still dependent upon (growing) commercial app support, Mandrake's server environment is an excellent--and affordable--option for use as an Internet gateway or file and print server for Windows (and Linux) clients. Its included applications and utilities are highly useful, and its support offerings are more than adequate for corporate server deployments. Also, its support for ACLs (with XFS) enhances Mandrake's capabilities as a file/print server in NT environments. Organizations looking for ways to lower their server costs would be well advised to evaluate this latest offering from Mandrake. http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2826684,00.html -- The Duke of URL -- Mandrake Linux PowerPack 8.1. Daniel Christle publishes a thorough review of the 8.1 PowerPack with descriptions of the Installation, Post-Installation, Security, What's New, and Pro's Con's; his conclusions is: Without a doubt this is Mandrake's best release ever. If you're looking to try Mandrake, there isn't a better time. Mandrake has tightly integrated all of their utilities into this release, making it one of most streamlined Linux experiences around. http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews/misc/mandrake81/ -- LinuxWorld.com -- A first look at Mandrake 8.1. Joe Barr thought it was time for a change, so he test-drives Mandrake 8.1 for a few days and writes about his observations. He hit some known snags with nVidea drivers and Lexmark printers; read about how he resolved these issues: http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1119.mandrake.html What's Cooking at MandrakeSoft? MandrakeSoft PPC developers are updating their packages to keep up with the main distro. MandrakeSoft will skip an 8.1 version of Mandrake PPC to focus on 8.2 which should be released in the first quarter of 2002. MandrakeSoft PPC developer Stew Benedict reports: I've added PCMCIA support in stage1 on my localbuild and performed
Re: Printer Recommendations
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone care to recommend their favorite Linux-compatible color inkjet printer? I'm in the market for a new one. I don't *have* to own a color printer, but it would be nice. If a good yet inexpensive laser printer can be had for under $300, that would be nice, too. Thanks, Kurt Have had good luck with Canon S400 Bubble Jet. Good printer and CHEAP! Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Weird Shutdown/halt in SuSE 7.3
Collins Richey wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:45:53 -0800 (PST) Susan Macchia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I recently switched from RH 7.0 to SuSE 7.3. While happy overall, I have noticed some wierdness when shutting down or halting SuSE (either thru the kdm GUI or using /sbin/shutdown -h). It seems to get to the following in the console and then, most of the time just sits there. I can't tell you what's wrong, but I would suggest you make plans to get to a journaling filesystem real soon now. After about the 3rd hangup in a row, I lost my ext2 system and had to start over (about 8 months ago). I moved everything to reiserfs and have never looked back. Experimenting with ext3 now. With reiserfs, you won't loose the farm, but you may loose some in flight files. My $.02. -- Collins Richey Denver Area gentoo_rc6 xfce+sylpheed I've always used shutdown -h now with SuSe 7.0 and haven't had any problems ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New Kernel, Now No Text Console, SuSE 7.3
Jason Joines wrote: I compiled a 2.4.10 kernel from kernel.org source with XFS filesystem patches from SGI. When I boot the machine, I get the graphical chooser that allows me pick a kernel to boot. If I boot the 2.4.10 SuSE kernel, all works as expected. If I boot the 2.4.10 XFS kernel, output to the monitor disappears just as soon as I select that kernel. Everything is still running as I can SSH into the box, run X apps, backup software, mount XFS filesystems, etc. I can't seem to find any errors in the logs. If I start X, it runs like normal on vt07 but there is nothing on any of the other vt's. Any ideas? Jason Joines Yeah. Stick with 2.4.10 if it does the job for you. --- ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Volume Down?
I believe that's what happened. When I noticed I wasn't getting any hits from the list I got no answer. Same for test messages. Assumed the hardware had failed and waited to be notified when it went back up, although I did send an occasional test message. I wasn't until last week that I found out from someone on the Caldera list that the list was back up, but that I needed to resubscribe. Lee Burns MacDonald wrote: Is it my imagination, or is the volume on this list way down over what it was just a month or two ago?Did we lose a bunch or people that never re-subbed during the hardware failure crisis?--burns
floppy, cdrom icons
Mandrake 8 .1 question. Have installed Mandrake 8.1 on two boxes. Get the same problem. Neither the floppy nor the cdrom is accessable from the icon on the kde desktop. Click on the floppy get anerror lpsDir. The cdrom sends an, already mounted or device busy message. Also once a cd is in the drawer it won't unmount and it stays there until shutdown. Wast ist los? Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Loading Linux
Building a multiboot machine. 500 Celerion CPU 512 Meg Memory with an Intel Mother board with an Intel 810 chip set and 2 hds (1.3 gig secondary 16 gig primary) have wIn 98 loaded on head of Primary hd and Mandrake 8.0 on the secondary hd. Problem is when I try to load Caldera based OSs . W3.1 and LTP install to the point where Lizard is supposed to start. After a long delay a cheery message pops up saying that the OS can't be installed on this machine. Corel will install, but only in the monochrome safe mode and Redmond Linux will only install with 250 colors. SuSe 7.0 installs with no problem, except I'm using a USR 56K PCI modem that will only run on kernel 2.3 and up. Any ideas what it will take this beast to install Caldera? Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Test
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BestLinux
In my never ending quest for the perfect Linux system I stumbled upon a thing called Bestlinux, made in Finland. Hey! If it's Linux and comes from Torvalds' home town (er.. country) it's got to be good. Right? Only problem is that my internet provider is too slow to download it from the BestLinux site. Checked with cheapbytes and they don't have it. Anyone know any place else I can get a rapid fire download of BestLinux from. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, you wrote: Snip The Framers didn't have to worry about Islamic madmen in jets flying into high rise buildings. The Framers didn't anticipate nuclear weapons. Joel Every time some zealot wishes to protect us from some threat , be it Nazis,Japanese, communists, KKK Kluckers crime ect, the first call that goes iut is to either give the government more power or to limit the rights of the people.. The excuse given is always , the framers of the Constitution couldn't have envisioned such a threat. Bull Pucky! The framers didn't have to envision all furuer threats to us. They realized that the rights of the people are timeless and that any threat was transitory. The permanet threat is the willingness to give up those rights for fear of the threat of the moment. Do that and the Muslim fanitacs have won. Benjamin franklin put it wishly, Those who would give up Liberty for security deserve neither Liberty or security. The plain truth is that the same government that is so blithly asking us to hand over our rights and the airline industry bear a large measure of responsibility in the WTC disaster. After it became fashionable to high jack airliners federal marshals were put on planes and airport security was increased. After flight 103 airport security was really beefed up. What happened? Simple the airlines didn't like paying their part of the cost of security and government dropped the sky marshal program to save a few bucks. Do you really think that a bunch of towel heads armed with knives or bomb threats could have overcome a well armed and trained sky marshal? Airport security followed the same sad fate as the sky marshal program. Instead of hiring intelligent movitivate personnel the program became nothing more than a political correct hiring program to giving well paying jobs to people based on their inability to get another job. Yet, with this sad history of government failure and greed there are those who in the name of security propose to hand over the rights, that generations of Americans have shed their blood to protect, to the same government that set us up for WTC. Personally, I'll throw my lot in with Ben Franklin. Lee ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: fighting the worm (enough of this already)
Would vote a conditional yes. Not so much desktop users as server administrators. By now they have to be getting pretty fed up with complaints from clients bothered by Microsoft worm of the week shut/slow downs. Wil McGilvery wrote: I vote no, because they don't believe there is any alternative. A lot of these people don't know that much about their computer and Linux/Unix terrifies them. -Original Message- From: Chang Sent: Wed 9/19/2001 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: fighting the worm (enough of this already) no way. worms would merely lure more users to pay more to microsoft so that she could solve their problems, kind of a negative feedback loop. Let's take a vote. Does anyone think that current users of windows products (server or browser) will switch because of this latest worm? I vote no, because if they didn't switch after the last worm, they don't have the brains or time to make a switch. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Redmond Linux
Have installed the beta 3 Redmond Linux on a 233 mmx with 64 meg memory. Installation went fine even had a driver for my old S3 928 video chip. Problem is that any time I open up the menu the thing locks up. That's before I even select an item from the menu. The program just locks up with the menu opened on the kde desktop. Strange thing is that I can alt-f2 get a command line punch in commands such as ksaferppp and dial out and connect to the ISP and even order up Netscape through the alt-f2 command window. But the menu on the kde desktop stays locked up.even though the mouse pointer still moves Any suggestions? Lee ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Special Report
Ronnie Gauthier wrote: These guys can figure a way to smoke him out. http://www.mn.afrl.af.mil/public/ordnance.html On Monday 17 September 2001 21:33, dep wrote: On Monday 17 September 2001 22:09, Chang wrote: | you sure that you got the chance fior that? Ladden may just kill | himself to keep his people alive. Wouldn't help much. He'd just be replaced by another Islamic martyr? The trick would be to go in, destroy the Taliban military, let their government fall to their own rebels. The lesson learned demonstrated to other nations harboring terrorists is that we can and will topple a government as far away as Afghanistan and we can do the same to you if you give safe haven to terrorists who attack us. Call it the Kennedy Doctrine where he told the Russians that a missile attack launched from Cuba by Cubans would be regarded as an attack from Russia and that retaliation would fall on their heads. Lee ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
Ronnie Gauthier wrote: Snip as i understand it, our arrest of him will be under a provision of british military law, rule .303. we had a version of that, rule .308, but we wimped out and now are stuck with our own rule .223. Not so wimpy. The 223 has more knock down than the .303. The bullet moves at 3,300 ft/sec and spins at anywhere between 18,000 to 24,000 rpm (depending on rifling twist). When it hits something soft it tends to keyhole (turns end for end) at the same time it is still spinning at 24,000 rpm. It's like getting hit with a ball of whirling razor blades. Its only draw back is that it is a lousy round in brush, that's where the heavier slower .303 has an advantage. There aren't a lot of bushes in Afghanistan. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WTC
Auyeung at Technet Systems Consultant Ltd wrote: Mind sending it to me so I can show to some of my friends in China?Auyeung - Original Message - ???: Bruce Marshall ???: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : 2001?9?15? AM 02:17 ??: WTC I have received a 40+ picture slide show of many events during the attack. Most of the pictures are excellent. If anyone would like me to send it to you, or if someone wants to put it on an ftp site, I would be glad to pass it on. StarOffice will show it just fine. Don't know about other KDE apps. >Comes in with GIMP just fine. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/14/01 14:13 + ++ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
M$ Flight Simulator
According to the New York Times M$ has decided to remove depictions of the World Trade Center for its Flight Simulator Game. Are they being patriotic or just recognizing the fact that the WTC is no longer there and that their game could have been used as a training aid? ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Am immodest proposal (forgive me, Mr. Swift)
I don't want to get into the argumentative portions of this thread but I saw something interesting on the news last night. Germany, I believe, is investigating whether bin Laden bought shares of the company insuring the WTC, then sold them short or whatever it 's called where you profit if the share price goes down. Randy Donohoe The idea is that you sell shares in the market that you don't own at their pre disaster high price. After the disaster the price of shares plummets. Then you buy shares at the new low price and deliver them to the people or brokerage houses who bought them at the old high price. The difference between what you paid (at depressed prices) and what you sold it short at (pre disaster high) is your profit. To keep alarm bells from going off and being detected you would use dozens of accounts to spread the load around. To prevent this the market has a rule that the seller of stocks has to deliver them within 24 hrs. of sale. This means that the terrorists would have to buy the stocks to cover their sale on almost the same day that the WTC was attacked. Those accounts suddenly buying stock in losing companies when everybody else was selling would have stuck out like signal lights at night and could have been tracked back to the terrorists. Unfortunately, the market closed preventing that sudden buying surge and the FBI obligingly told the press that they knew what was going on. So there 'wouldn't be a buying surge and the terrorists' accounts will go into default and be closed by the brokerage houses who handle them. Making it impossible to backtrack previous stock manipulation by the terrorists. To the terrorists this means they'll have to establish new accounts. An easy job using the computer and internet. This may be a new world war but the government should adopt a slogan from the last one: Loose Lips Sink Ships. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
Keith Antoine wrote: Joel Hammer wrote: those who cry out for no restraints on personal freedoms will happily point out to you that, as has been the case on the lirr and elsewhere in the past, one good man with a gun would have solved the problem with considerably less loss of life. -- I agree. Why they don't arm the pilots is beyond me. Joel Something was mooted on radio here today: Why aren't the bulkheads or doors to the cabin armour plated and locked so as noone can enter. ?? Snip After the first few airline highjackings they were and many flights has sky marshals aboard. After the highjackings died down, the marshals were removed on most flights as an economy measure, and the airlines started leaving the cabin doors were left open and unlocked as a convenience that the airlines justified by claiming that it was a safety measure designed to evacuate the flight crew if the airliner went down. Lee ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Miami Herald Editorial
Bruce Marshall wrote: Very well put. I've always wondered why we didn't give the Japanese the 'demo' version firstas in: fire the bomb off about 5 miles offshore where it would have done much less damage but yet show its force. Snip The reason was that they would have to have detonated it close enough to Japan for its effects to be apparent and let the Japanese know it was coming. That would have meant some unpopulated part of Japan itself. At the time they were not that sure of the technology. They had only fired one off, the u239 bomb. While they were reasonably sure the u235 bomb would work, there were fears that the thing might not go off and we would be delivering the bomb and its technology to Japan. So they went for broke. The first one to demonstrate the horror of the bomb and the second to prove we had more than one (we had four). -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/14/01 09:56 + ++ Software company's new dress code -- another Law Suit. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
Bill Campbell wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 11:04:53AM -0500, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: Apparently you never can be too intolerant... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28620-2001Sep14.html Snip It's amazing! These two Christian bigots have made millions pushing the message of a man who never had a sheckel he didn't give away. Part of his message was that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. Maybe they should spend a little more of their time spreading their wealth around rather than spreading hate. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
Lo Viksten wrote: torsdagen den 13 september 2001 13.09 wrote Joel Hammer: If Sweden didn't want to fight the Nazis, why should we? Sweden was surounded by the Nazis. Norway, Denmark, Poland, the Baltic states and Soviets Baltic coast occupied by them and Finland allied to them. We wouldn't had a chance. (BTW I wasn't born) Even so most Swedes were strongly opposed to letting the German army use our railways, even if it would have meant hostilities from the Nazis. Funny, Norway. Denmark and Britain didn't seem to care that they were surrounded by Nazis. I don't believe they sold the Nazis iron ore either. In Norway they went so far as to sink a barge full of heavy water so keep the Nazis from building the bomb. I believe it was the King of Norway and his family who put on Stars of David when the Nazis ordered the Jews in Norway to wear them. When the fishermen of Norway took their fleet to neutral Sweden the Swedes impound the boats and turned them over to the Germans. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
dep wrote: | -| Couldn't it be e.g. the extreme right? After having seen a | -| documentary on TV I was amazed with the degree of their | -| organisation: Underground computer network, military training, | Snip Not likely. Everytime you get three of our right wing bozoos together in a conspiracy at least one of them is an FBI man. The only reason McVey succeded was because there were only two of them in on the bombing. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: interesting future seeing?
Douglas J. Hunley wrote: In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb - The third big war will begin when the big city is burning - Nostradamus 1654 What would he know he was French. -- Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/Admin: http://linux.nf/ Brainbench Linux Administration Certified ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ Don't take life too seriously; you won't get out alive... ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
dep wrote: On Tuesday 11 September 2001 11:00, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: | BS, this calls for an allout war on ALL terrorists. No stopping | till there are no more, no matter what it takes or where it takes | the US. It is time for the US to rethink it policy of NOT | assinating political leaders amen. we've dealt with these diaper-headed lice for long enough. time now to demonstrate how we can give 'em a first-class airburst ticket to see allah. bet they'll be surprised at how warm it is where he hangs out. -- dep It's time to demonstrate to the Islamic fanatics that Christians know how to conduct a Jihad. It's not enough to get the people who did this but the governments who protect them and give them the freedom to act. We have lost enough American lives. For fifty years only two cities have been members of the Ground Zero Club, maybe it's time to add a third. Lee one day, you'll wish it was now. your wish has been granted. don't waste it. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
Kabul is apparently under some kind of attack. CNN reports explosions and anti-aircraft fire. Could be some of their own citizens who object to the Taliban have decide to do a little terrorist action on their own, or it could just be guilt inspired Taliban trigger fingers. They may burn the whole place down oin their own. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
Joel Hammer wrote: Before someone becomes an apologist for the Muslims, name me a country where Muslims live in appreciable numbers where they do not cause violent disturbances. Snip Turkey? ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
Joel Hammer wrote: Turkey? Turkey's secular state has been around since, I believe, the end of WW I. The Turkish military, aside from supressing the Kurds, works vigorously to to keep the militant Muslims from establishing a theocratic state. The democratic process in Turkey is also I believe manipulated to keep the Muslims out of office, much like Algeria. Joel There's also Kuwait (may not count everybody there is rich and they have nothing to gain by going radical. There's also Saudi Arabia an d Morocco. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WTC
Joel Hammer wrote: Let me please explain that the word muslims is too broad. There are Sunni moslims and there are Shi'ite moslems. The Sunnis are as nice of people as you could ever hope to meet, The Shi'ites are the one that even the Sunnis dislike. Ths Shi'ites are the ones to direct your hostilities to. I lived in Iran for about 8 months. I never figured out the difference between the two type of Islam Snip The Shi'ites are the followers after Ali, the grandson of Mohammedan. About 50yrs after Mohammedan died Ali was killed in battle by his fellow arabic muslims, the Sunnis. From that time onward the Sunni's have ruled the Muslim world. That left the Shi'iets with a chip on their shoulder as they believe that only they are the true muslims because they are descended from the line of the Mohammedan. It galls them that Mecca is in the hands of the heathen Sunnis. From the point of view of religious doctrine the Shi'ites and the Sunnis are just about the same thing. Sort of like the difference between Church of God folks and conservative Southern Baptists; they are just about the same thing ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Linux Ad
Out here in the piney woods of Florida news and tv signals travel slowly. Saw my first Linux ad on tv last night. It was for IBM Linux servers. Claimed you could replace a whole warehouse full of servers running that other system with one IBM server using reliable Linux technology. Looks like Big Blue is serious about Linux and doesn't fear the gang from Redmon WA. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: M$ gets a free 'get out of jail card' Re: New SxS ?
dep wrote: On Thursday 06 September 2001 15:53, Zoki (News) wrote: | Today Net Llama was heard saying: | | snip | | -Wonderful how my tax dollars were used on a case that just got | thrown -away. | | | *** It's ridiculous! Not only are they making a fool of them selves | but also of the American public and the rest of the World | population. Further more they've given M'$oft an incredible push in | the back to go on with what they were doing and certainly even If you want see a real hosing of the taxpayers wait until the government shifts to XP and replaces all of its computers that are over two years old to accommodate it. Not to mention the lease payments. Bush with another busted budget to blame on the dumocrats. | more. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: German Linux site hacked
Ronnie Gauthier wrote: http://www.linux.de looks like it...LOL On Tuesday 04 September 2001 00:38, Zoki (News) wrote: *** I have the strong impression the German Linux site got hacked by a football loving Englishman... -- Cheers, Zoran. -- Is that REAL football, or the kind where they use a round ball and wear knee pants? Lee ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Need windows help
Joel Hammer wrote: I was trying to load printer drivers from a linux server onto two windows9x clients, one 95, one 98, for a lexmark z53 printer, which works just swell with linux. The drivers downloaded, but rebooting windows in both machines just hangs up at the point when it asks for your windows password. So, it seems that a file downloaded from the server did something bad to my windows boxes. There were some error messages about a file called lexcbes.exe or something similar being in use when I tried to download the files from the server. On one machine I thoughtfully deleted that file in dosmode, but on the other I just rebooted and the download went to completion but windows won't restart properly. I can only assume that this file is important to running windows other than just printing to the z53. Maybe the case mangling did something bad. Who knows? ANYWAY, I need to start windows in dosmode so I can try to reinstall the file I think is the culprit. I don't use windows so I don't know how. Any insight appreciated. Joel The traditional answer is use a windows boot disk, but that only takes you into c prompt. Try lighting off the box. Right after the the bios display data such as type of drive and size, but before you get a going into win message hit F8. That will give you a menu that has a dos option and the safe option which brings up Windows without the drivers. If you use the safe option you can delete the print drivers and reboot. Or, if you miss the timing on hitting F8 let windows boot into the win screen with the logo on it. Then shut the box down. This generates a fault that automatically boots into dos safe option the next time you bring the win box up. Lee -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: {RFC} - new service on Linux.nf in answer to MPSA
Sounds good to me. Douglas J. Hunley wrote: What does everyone think of me putting up a page on linux.nf that anyone can come to and have their system scanned for known security exploits? I'm thinking the user would surf over to say http://linux.nf/scanme/ and the page would display a quick little disclaimer stating what it's going to do, that you should be the owener of the machine being scanned, and that by clicking the 'scan me' button you agree to release us from liability... when they click the button, it launches a Nessus scan, puts up a 'please wait while you are scanned' page, and then when the nessus scan completes, it pops up a page with the results of the scan. of course, it would scan the ip of the machine viewing the page so that the user couldn't put in somebody else's ip (I know, i know... this wouldn't work for machines behind a proxy).. thoughts? -- Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/Admin: http://linux.nf/ Brainbench Linux Administration Certified ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ He's so sadistic he put quicksand in the litter box... ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Administrivia - Everyone please read!
dep wrote: On Tuesday 14 August 2001 03:27 pm, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: | I wanted to take a moment to let everyone know that we have lost | some list members because of the posting of a nude (though tastfull | IMHO) picture. A couple of people have also indicated the | references to sexual interaction w/ animals to be pushing it. | | So, let's move the converstaion back to Linux shall we everyone? | And no more nudes! I'll have to unsub any future offenders. oh no! and now it begins. how long before we have the caldera refugees refugees list?g -- dep Darn the bad luck! Just when I was getting ready to post an almost nude picture of B. Gates stuffung money in his socks. one day, you'll wish it was now. your wish has been granted. don't waste it. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: /tmp full
Mark Heinrich wrote: I am unable to start KDE because my /tmp is full. I deleted the files that I thought I could and there are only two or three left but I am still getting an error that my /tmp is full. How can I see how much space /tmp has allocated and how much is free? How can I increase the amount of space /tmp has? TIA Mark Being the lazy sort, if I was sure that there was nothing in temp I wanted, I'd just rm /my/temp. Boot into KDE to see if that was really the problem. If the beastie booted into KDE then just make a new temp file. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Paranoia and Worms
Mike Andrew wrote: On Monday 06 August 2001 03:47, Lee wrote: Does that mean the the French maybe behind the attacks on M$ as a way to push Mandrake and as revenge on the prople of America because we speak English? you speak what? If we didn't most of the rest of the world would be speaking German, nicht var? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Paranoia and Worms
dep wrote: On Sunday 05 August 2001 09:58 am, Joel Hammer wrote: | I haven't bothered to refresh my facts about what I am going to | say here, so, the details should be taken with a large grain of | salt, but...: Some years ago, before we learned about penetration | of the CIA by the Russians, there was a very paranoid guy in charge | of CIA counterintelligence, funny name, like Jesus or Angel. james angleton. | I notice that the only worms or viruses which we learn about are | those which the author of the worm wants us to know about. i wrote about this more than a year ago. we've seen what the script kiddies and anarchists are able to do. imagine what the *really* good people, the ones motivated by money, are up to? do you not suppose that the internet has gone unnoticed as a fertile field for a whole new kind of organized crime? do you not figure that people, hidden safely away from our laws and in places opposed to western ideas and therefore tacitly approving, are not already at work seizing just about everything we have that is of value? *of course* they are. fortunately, microsoft's market share is so vast, and its systems so wide open, that the cost/benefit ratio argues for making its systems the target. but we're not immune by any means. -- dep Does that mean the the French maybe behind the attacks on M$ as a way to push Mandrake and as revenge on the prople of America because we speak English? one day, you'll wish it was now. your wish has been granted. don't waste it. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: DELL dropping Linux desktops
Mike Andrew wrote: On Friday 03 August 2001 21:26, Linuxism Chang wrote: Is it much more difficult to write a linux virus? whatever is happening to OE could just happen to any baby-friendly email reader. It's not difficult at all, If I had a mind to, I could, and so could 90% of other penguins. All you need is to write bash-script. Securities and permissions don't come into it. A virus of the email kind is not intended to hack at root, it is intended to spread itself (the fundamental definition of a virus). So hacking at $HOME would suit me just fine thanks. I'm not out to kill your system , i'm out to infect it, and any other 'system' i can get at. I could attach any binary I chose, you save it to disk and click on it when it suits you. In some ways worse that Windows, I don't even have to call it (dot)exe The *only* reason why we are not infested with this stuff is because *if* I want my name in lights, I'm going to go for the biggest, most poplular OS around. I'm not going to spend all my 'creative' talent on a hardly-heard-of 'Linux' There's the glory end. Virus M$ and you do it in secret and no one knows what a smart fellow your are, unless the FBI catches you. Apply the same effort toward developing a new wrinkle in Linux or a driver for a previously unusable piece of hardware and everyone will marvel at your genius. Try that with M$, and Billy the Squid's lawyers will be down your throat with a restraining order and demanding to know where you got the source code . Or an alternate reason might be that there are a lot of people who don't like M$ or the Squid. Moral of the story? Don't be too smug folks. There but by the grace of god etc. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: The Worm: How you doin'?
Let's not forget that RedmonLinux is just down the street. Bruce Marshall wrote: On Friday 03 August 2001 13:25, dep wrote: as for msft -- the fact that there is a place called redmond, washington, instead of a place called smoking crater where redmond, washington, used to be, stands as proof that no one serious about security is in possession of a nuke. My chuckle for the day... :O) great! -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 08/03/01 14:02 + ++ Basic research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing. -- Wernher von Braun ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: The Worm: How you doin'?
Joel Hammer wrote: How has the worm been affecting you all? I have had 68 hits on my port 80 beginning Aug 1 about 9:00am and continuing to the present time (8/3/01 12:30 Eastern Standard Time, here in Baltimore on the @HOME network. Joel The worm has just about run its course here in Apalachicola, FL. Last week end I received about a dozen hits. On each of them I e-mailed the offending party, told them they had been infected and gave the title of the document that had been sent out. For good measure, I told them that I was running a Linux OS and was relatively immune to M$ viri. Doesn't hurt to push the product. Lee ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Strange file
Part of the mystery solved. Brought /home/user/scywebMT.dll' up in Vim. The thing is a Harris interactive survey concerning net shopping. I had taken the poll weeks ago answered the questions, exited the site and deleted the original e-mail. Done it a dozen times before. But, for some reason, somehow, the thing ended up in my home user directory. It is a Win file, but I don't have Wine or any of the other Win compatible packages installed. Anyhoo, selected edit under vim and then cut. The text disappeared, then saved and exited, but the file is still there still defying all efforts to delete it. Lee ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Strange file.
Still haven't found a way to remove my delinquent Win file. But, net lama was right. Something else was devouring my hd space. Got rid of it with $ cleandir -a +365 /home/user. Now have 45% of my hd available. A definate improvement over 2%. Lee ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Strange file.
Same as always the terminal window locks up. The problem is that scywebMT.dll' is a Win file. Lacking anything Wine the Linux program can't figure out what to do with it. The real question is how the heck did this Win file slip through Linux and manage to install itself on my hd? Kurt Wall wrote: In the last episode, we heard Lee say: Still haven't found a way to remove my delinquent Win file. But, net lama was right. Something else was devouring my hd space. Got rid of it with $ cleandir -a +365 /home/user. Now have 45% of my hd available. A definate improvement over 2%. What's the output of lsattr on that file? Or have we been here already? Kurt -- Big M, Little M, many mumbling mice Are making midnight music in the moonlight, Mighty nice! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: REG#0027982: NetWare Client for Lin... [Incident:caldera 010612-0009]
Matthew Carpenter wrote: -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: REG#0027982: NetWare Client for Lin... [Incident:caldera 010612-0009] Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 02:02:34 -0600 (MDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have not heard from you concerning your request for support in the 4 business days since we sent you a response. Consequently, we have changed the status of your incident to SOLVED. If your incident is still UNRESOLVED, please use the link below to reactivate the incident and update it with additional information. --- Description: >Snip There are quite a few bugs in the nwclient that is shipped with eDesktop. Unfortunatly development on the client has been stopped so those bugs have not been fixed, nor are the going to be fixed in the near future. The problems you are describing are the same as the problems caused by those bugs. >Aren't these the same folks who dropped retail sales without warning and later called their users who download from their site "freeloaders." With the nkfs module, the reason you are getting those unresolved symbol errors is because that module was compiled for the original kernel and the nkfs module was not included with the updated kernel. To get the nkfs module working again you will have to recompile it for the new kernel. Here is where you can grab the source to recompile it: ftp://ftp.caldera.com/pub/opensource/nkfs/nkfs-4.2.1.tgz just untar and uncompress it then read the readme and other documentation for compiling it. At 06/13/2001 03:16 PM we wrote - Is /usr/lib/modules/nkfs.o the place where you copied the newly compiled module? Make sure you know the full path to the module. You could even load it from the source directory if you can find there where it put the nkfs.o file. Also you could copy the nkfs file to the /lib/modules/version_name>/fs/ directory then run 'depmod -a'. After that you could try: modprobe nkfs and see if the module will load. While the module for the kernel is opensourced the nwclient is not. The nwclient for Linux is still owned by novell but they have not said what their plans for it are. You best bet is to contact Novell and ask them what their plan is, becaues we don't know. At 06/19/2001 01:21 PM we wrote - It looks as though it is trying to open a device that the nwamd needs to run. You can add the this entry to your /dev/ directory: mknod /dev/nkfsd c 254 0 You have to add this as root. Also Please note that this is beyond the scope of basic installation support so we can't offer much more help on this subject. For more information see: http://www.openlinux.org If your issue remains unresolved, please update your incident at http://support.calderasystems.com//caldera/r?11=010612-0009130=0992394300 You may also update this incident by replying to this message. Because your reply will be automatically processed, you MUST enter your reply in the space below. Text entered into any other part of this message will be discarded. [===> Please enter your reply below this line ===] [===> Please enter your reply above this line ===] To view or update the current status of any incident, use the customer login section of our Knowledge Base. The direct url is: http://support.calderasystems.com/caldera/custlogin Or click the [Customer Login] link at the bottom of any of the Knowledge Base pages. This allows you to update any incident with additional questions or comments, and/or close out the incident. Within the Customer Login section, you also have the ability to view a list of all of the current incidents that you have signed up for to be notified on change. --- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] List for Apple hardware users?
David A. Bandel wrote: Jonathan Wilson wrote: Howdy, Hope no one minds me asking this here: Does anyone know of a mailing list for users of Apple hardware? I don't mind it being mostly Mac-OS oriented, but I'd like to find one that doesn't mid Linux PPC questions. I don't really want one that's wholly Linux PPC though. Looking for a tech - oriented list, not a jabber list :-) Most of us on this list perfer a little jabber every now and then; it keeps us from taking Bill Gates or Ransom Love seriously. Lee ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Strange file
Running COL 2.2. In the last week my hard drive went from 75% used to 99% used. Checked. The only thing I could find out of place is a strange file in /home/user called scywebMT.dll'. The file is totally untouchable. Tried to remove it with rm and rm -f terminal window locks up. Tried to read the file with cat got the same result. Whatis same result.This file wasn't there before my free space on the hard drive started to disappear. Anyone know what scywebMT.dll' is? Is it possible that some creature has managed to plant a Linux virus? Lee ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
CDROM Config
Running COL 2.2. Recently had to shift my ide cdrom from primary slave to secondary slave on my box. Needless to say the auto cdrom icon doesn't access the cdrom in its new position. The secondary primary is occupied by an ide cdrw. I tried to mount the cdrom using# mount -t auto /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom and got an error message that the device was read only. Next tried id of /dev/hdd and with same result. Then tried /dev/hdc4 got number too large or in error message for that and hdd4. Can't get either the cdrom or cdrw to mount. What now? Lee ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
