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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-09 Thread Timothy Swain

   This was interesting (among all the responses that I deleted...) to
   someone who was involved in the early years of lutes & luting...I knew
   Robert Lundberg BEFORE he knew a thing about lutes! (He died of cancer
   in 2001, God rest him...) & the book that was published a few months
   after he died, HISTORICAL LUTE CONSTRUCTION by the Guild of American
   Lutheirs: Daniel Shoskes is right--& the blissfully talented large
   number of very gifted lutenists! I'm reminded of the first lute I had,
   a GLUTE (terrible thing!) & watched Bob & his wife as they plunged into
   lutes, going to Europe many times, the course he taught in Germany over
   10 years--surely lutes deserve all this attention, good bad or
   indifferent! Praise be!
   Timothy Swain

   On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Leonard Williams
   <[1]arc...@verizon.net> wrote:

 I've always enjoyed Sting's musical offerings, and was
 encouraged by his
 lute diversion.   However, I was quite disappointed to see a close
 up of
 him in some sort of ensemble with a third fret very obviously loose
 and
 surely buzzin' like bee.   I would like to have seen him take a
 second to
 slide it into place.
 Leonard

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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread Leonard Williams

I've always enjoyed Sting's musical offerings, and was encouraged by his
lute diversion.  However, I was quite disappointed to see a close up of
him in some sort of ensemble with a third fret very obviously loose and
surely buzzin' like bee.  I would like to have seen him take a second to
slide it into place.

Leonard

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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread Daniel Shoskes

I must admit to significant eye rolling when I saw the subject line. Here we go 
again, rehashing who liked the CD and who didn’t (me). I also thought that we 
already knew the much anticipated (to the point of sycophantic fawning across 
the pond) Sting Effect never materialized in a big way. No big spikes in LSA or 
LS memberships, no “raises all boats” increase in lute CD sales by other 
performers, no other pop performers crossing over to Early Music. 

I’m happy therefore to see examples of individuals who personally benefitted. 
I’m also impressed by several young emerging artists who are doing Ren and 
Baroque lute song in a serious, highly musical and effective way. Sting may not 
be the future of lute song but these young singers and pluckers certainly are. 
So looking forward to Nic Phan’s upcoming performance in Cleveland, with 
“already emerged” artists Charlie Weaver and Billy Simms providing pluckage. 

Danny

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Christopher Wilke  
> wrote:
> 
>   In 2010 I was playing lute at a street fair. A guy introduced himself
>   to me who owned a recording studio. He offered me free studio time just
>   so he could learn how to record it. He said he'd been fascinated by the
>   lute and dreamed of recording one every since he first saw Sting with
>   one on tv.
> 
>   I donated the product of that session to a compilation album used as a
>   fund raiser for my local public radio station. I went on to do a lot of
>   other (paid) recording at that studio, so Sting's efforts benefitted
>   multiple people.
> 
>   So thanks, Sting!
> 
>   Chris
> 
>   [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread Mark Seifert

   Definitely, Sting's CD had a tremendous, though possibly transitory,
   impact.
   My first gig (tryout at an Italian restaurant in Cincinnati) was in
   1977.
   "What is that thing you are playing?" said the owner,  followed by "Not
   loud enough!" He hired a
   blue grass band.
   Next gig was a direct benefit of Sting, as I was invited in 2006 to
   play at Univ of Redlands, and the little
   music room was filled with curious students.   By chance I brought an
   archlute and an 11 course baroque lute
   not knowing Sting had been playing the former.  Afterwards, some
   students participating in a dramatic performance
   of "Little Shop of Horrors" across the hall in a larger auditorium
   entered, and one remained to listen.
   I got to serenade (poorly) a woman with purple and green hair (she had
   played
   the part of the alien carnivorous plant.)  Made one mistake on a
   Molinaro piece and she was out the door,
   trailing green tendrils.
   It may take a series of celebrities' public displays to cause folks
   here to think the lute might be cool.
   On Thursday, September 7, 2017 8:05 PM, Sean Smith
    wrote:
   I received a nice gig from the effect.
   Sean
   > On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:55 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >
   >> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:40 PM, John Mardinly <[2]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
   wrote:
   >>
   >> So is there any chance that this will result in archlute themed
   backpacks, pencil cases, blankets, pillows or other Disney themed
   merchandise?
   >
   > It's been 11 years (!) since Sting tackled (as it were) Dowland in
   Songs from the Labyrinth.  Some of us were speculating about a
   potential "Sting effect" raising the lute's profile in the world.
   >
   > Did anyone notice one?
   >
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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread Christopher Wilke

   In 2010 I was playing lute at a street fair. A guy introduced himself
   to me who owned a recording studio. He offered me free studio time just
   so he could learn how to record it. He said he'd been fascinated by the
   lute and dreamed of recording one every since he first saw Sting with
   one on tv.

   I donated the product of that session to a compilation album used as a
   fund raiser for my local public radio station. I went on to do a lot of
   other (paid) recording at that studio, so Sting's efforts benefitted
   multiple people.

   So thanks, Sting!

   Chris

   [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

   On Friday, September 8, 2017, 9:38 AM, Ron Andrico
   <praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

 >I'm not sure if you're describing a continuing profile increase (in

 which I'm curious what specifically you've observed) or a brief
   "Sting

 Blip".

 I guess I of was offering observations rather than the results of

 independent research - I know how persons of your professional

 persuasion love to label such observations "unsupported statements."

 Perhaps the numbers should be crunched by some enterprising graduate

 student with time on his or her hands.

 Nevertheless, since people are even still discussing the "Sting

 effect," I think that indicates there was an increased awareness of
   the

 lute and its music as a result of his recording of Dowland's music.
   I

 believe it was a sustained effect based on personal observations.
   For

 instance, one of our fans does live sound for major pop acts, and
   loves

 our music because our shows offer intimate, real, honest music rather

 than lip-synced tripe you find at all major pop concerts - he knows

 because he slides the faders.  He found us as a result of an
   increased

 awareness of the lute after Sting's recording was released.

 RA

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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread David van Ooijen

   >>

 David, I see you are here too. Just want to say I love your Terzi
 Album with Michiel Niessen. It is one of my favorite I dare say prog
 rock albums.

   <<
   Talking about expensive hobbies, don't get me started on making CDs.
   ;-) But thanks for the kind words, I'll pass them on to Michiel
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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread Tristan von Neumann

Hey Ron, David,

it's not only early music... if you're into contemporary music, it's the
same.
For early music I have one advice: go practice in the park, if possible.
I do, and though I am but an amateur looking for some good time with
other musicians, there's feedback everytime. Might boost interest, if
you show yourself more.

Remember, this is early music:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Fiesta_campestre.jpg/1280px-Fiesta_campestre.jpg

For me, people crammed into a room too big for the music (in Hamburg,
Germany, one EM series is now held the big ole symphony hall, I don't
know why they changed the location... imagine how much pressure a dozen
people make in row 16 or 25).
and no room to dance, is not what makes Early Music fun. I'd rather go
to a Renaissance fair or "Mittelaltermarkt" (Germans know) and see
cringeworthy performances that being pinned to a spot, not being allowed
to even cough.

That's why I organized concerts in clubs and pubs, featuring early music.
Getting reactions like these while playing is priceless, unfortunately
all the former students are now in the early music gig mill. I still
miss those days. Sometimes it is the location, not the people, that
makes a difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qmdPBZKQAs

David, I see you are here too. Just want to say I love your Terzi Album
with Michiel Niessen. It is one of my favorite I dare say prog rock
albums. ;-)

Am 08.09.2017 um 14:30 schrieb Ron Andrico:

Actually, David, this is a reality and no joke to those of us who are
serious about performing early music. Perhaps the public's taste for
early music - even the baroque fad - is over, which is sad but
understandable. But non-pop star musicians who perform live concerts
are dropping like flies in the current worldwide economic environment.
The net result for early music performers is that the scene is
increasingly dominated by players who participate because they can
afford to do so, creating an unfortunate dynamic.

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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread Lynda Kraar

   Hahah!!! Serves me right for typing with my thumbs. Although a loving
   room sounds pretty good. Don't you think?
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   On Sep 8, 2017, at 8:19 AM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

 I'd also want to have a loving room! :D
 On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Lynda Kraar
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  My daughter fell in love with the Sting CD, and we would sit in
   the
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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread G. C.

   I'd also want to have a loving room! :D
   On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Lynda Kraar
   <[1]guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

My daughter fell in love with the Sting CD, and we would sit in
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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread David van Ooijen

   The standard joke in the early music orchestras I play in. When asked
   what we would do if we would win the lottery: 'Continue gigging till we
   run out of money.'

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   On 8 September 2017 at 13:58, Lynda Kraar
   <[3]guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

My daughter fell in love with the Sting CD, and we would sit in
 the
loving room where I'd have to reproduce the lute parts from tab
 while
she'd sing. The highlight was meeting Sting at a concert at Jazz
 at
Lincoln Center in NYC (about seven years ago) where we sat four
 seats
away from Sting.
During intermission she asked Sting if he was going to do a
 follow-up
CD, and he told her that he would love to keep going with the
 project,
but it was too expensive.
Related - when asked why he didn't cut money losers like Vladimir
Horowitz and others from the CBS roster, record industry icon
 Clive
Davis said, you don't keep your classical label going because
 it's
lucrative: You keep it because it's a treasure.
[kraar+logo.png]
Lynda Kraar
On Sep 8, 2017, at 5:59 AM, David van Ooijen
<[1][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
  Love that, Mathias.
  David
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  On 8 September 2017 at 11:53, Mathias RÃ Ã¯Â¿Â½sel
  <[3][4][7]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:
My daughter was eight when his CD was released. I used it as
 a
lullaby for
her. The next morning she asked about it, and I said, well,
 you can
sing the
songs you like best yourself. Children of that age can learn
rapidly. Can
She Excuse, and Now, Oh Now, and Come Again were her first
 three
Dowland
songs, and I was as proud of her as a father can be.
And all of it was Sting's merit!
Mathias
-UrsprÃ Ã¯Â¿Â½ngliche Nachricht-
Von: [4][5][8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[5][6]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth.

  edu] Im Auftrag
  von Jurgen Frenz
  Gesendet: Freitag, 8. September 2017 09:23
  An: Tristan von Neumann
  Cc: lutelist Net
      Betreff: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
 In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to
   defend
  the
 purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even
   some
  of the
 terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players
   on
  YouTube
 have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself.
   The
 'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on
   (the
  folks I
 know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute
  music
  or
 Mr. Dowland or anybody else.
 If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on
   this
  list)
 who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then
  there
  is a
 positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of
   any
  early
 music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland
  pieces
 recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound
  complete
 different and I think it is great that they do. With the
  distance
  of
 over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover
  and
  bring
 out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if
   Mr.
  Dowland
 or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be
  concerned
 about. We live the music now and it is the best service that
   we
  can do
 toearly music - which is keeping it alive.
 Just my opinion as said in the beginning.
 Best
 Jurgen
 "You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in
   a
  drop"
 Rumi
  Original Message --------
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
 Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM
 UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44

   From: [6][7][9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
   To: lutelist Net <[7][8][10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sting raised at least my interest in the Lute.
   Mainly becau

[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread Lynda Kraar

   My daughter fell in love with the Sting CD, and we would sit in the
   loving room where I'd have to reproduce the lute parts from tab while
   she'd sing. The highlight was meeting Sting at a concert at Jazz at
   Lincoln Center in NYC (about seven years ago) where we sat four seats
   away from Sting.

   During intermission she asked Sting if he was going to do a follow-up
   CD, and he told her that he would love to keep going with the project,
   but it was too expensive.

   Related - when asked why he didn't cut money losers like Vladimir
   Horowitz and others from the CBS roster, record industry icon Clive
   Davis said, you don't keep your classical label going because it's
   lucrative: You keep it because it's a treasure.

   [kraar+logo.png]
   Lynda Kraar

   On Sep 8, 2017, at 5:59 AM, David van Ooijen
   <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Love that, Mathias.
 David
 ***
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 [1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 [2][3]www.davidvanooijen.nl
 ***
 On 8 September 2017 at 11:53, Mathias RÃ ï¿½sel
 <[3][4]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:
   My daughter was eight when his CD was released. I used it as a
   lullaby for
   her. The next morning she asked about it, and I said, well, you can
   sing the
   songs you like best yourself. Children of that age can learn
   rapidly. Can
   She Excuse, and Now, Oh Now, and Come Again were her first three
   Dowland
   songs, and I was as proud of her as a father can be.
   And all of it was Sting's merit!
   Mathias
   -UrsprÃ ï¿½ngliche Nachricht-
   Von: [4][5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[5][6]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth.
   edu] Im Auftrag
   von Jurgen Frenz
   Gesendet: Freitag, 8. September 2017 09:23
   An: Tristan von Neumann
   Cc: lutelist Net
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
  In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to defend
   the
  purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even some
   of the
  terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players on
   YouTube
  have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself. The
  'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on (the
   folks I
  know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute
   music
   or
  Mr. Dowland or anybody else.
  If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on this
   list)
  who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then
   there
   is a
  positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of any
   early
  music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland
   pieces
  recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound
   complete
  different and I think it is great that they do. With the
   distance
   of
  over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover
   and
   bring
  out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if Mr.
   Dowland
  or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be
   concerned
  about. We live the music now and it is the best service that we
   can do
  to   early music - which is keeping it alive.
  Just my opinion as said in the beginning.
  Best
  Jurgen
  "You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a
   drop"
  Rumi
   Original Message --------
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
  Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM
  UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44
  From: [6][7]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
  To: lutelist Net <[7][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
  Sting raised at least my interest in the Lute.
  Mainly because of Karamazov, but still.
  It also led to "Singer-Songwriter Time Travels",
  a series of concerts where contemporary singer-songwriters
  were covering old Lute songs or similar Early Music.
  This worked surprisingly well.
  Am 07.09.2017 um 23:26 schrieb G. C.:

 Harsh words, I liked Sting"s effort. Karamazow also made a fine

  input.

 On the whole, lute-propagating I think.

 G.

 On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:18 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program

 <[1][8][9]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote:

 no effect noticed. Perhaps that is because Sting did neither

 Dowland

 nor the lute any service? Not an "artist" I would have chosen

 to sing

 Dowland...or anything else for that matter.

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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread David van Ooijen

   Love that, Mathias.
   David

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   On 8 September 2017 at 11:53, Mathias RÃÂ¶sel
   <[3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:

 My daughter was eight when his CD was released. I used it as a
 lullaby for
 her. The next morning she asked about it, and I said, well, you can
 sing the
 songs you like best yourself. Children of that age can learn
 rapidly. Can
 She Excuse, and Now, Oh Now, and Come Again were her first three
 Dowland
 songs, and I was as proud of her as a father can be.
 And all of it was Sting's merit!
 Mathias
 -UrsprÃÂ¼ngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth.
 edu] Im Auftrag
 von Jurgen Frenz
 Gesendet: Freitag, 8. September 2017 09:23
 An: Tristan von Neumann
 Cc: lutelist Net
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to defend
 the
purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even some
 of the
terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players on
 YouTube
have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself. The
'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on (the
 folks I
know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute music
 or
Mr. Dowland or anybody else.
If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on this
 list)
who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then there
 is a
positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of any
 early
music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland pieces
recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound
 complete
different and I think it is great that they do. With the distance
 of
over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover and
 bring
out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if Mr.
 Dowland
or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be
 concerned
about. We live the music now and it is the best service that we
 can do
to   early music - which is keeping it alive.
Just my opinion as said in the beginning.
Best
Jurgen
"You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a
 drop"
Rumi
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    Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM
UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44
From: [6]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
To: lutelist Net <[7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sting raised at least my interest in the Lute.
Mainly because of Karamazov, but still.
It also led to "Singer-Songwriter Time Travels",
a series of concerts where contemporary singer-songwriters
were covering old Lute songs or similar Early Music.
This worked surprisingly well.
Am 07.09.2017 um 23:26 schrieb G. C.:
> Harsh words, I liked Sting"s effort. Karamazow also made a fine
input.
> On the whole, lute-propagating I think.
> G.
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:18 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program
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>
> no effect noticed. Perhaps that is because Sting did neither
> Dowland
> nor the lute any service? Not an "artist" I would have chosen
> to sing
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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread Mathias Rösel

My daughter was eight when his CD was released. I used it as a lullaby for
her. The next morning she asked about it, and I said, well, you can sing the
songs you like best yourself. Children of that age can learn rapidly. Can
She Excuse, and Now, Oh Now, and Come Again were her first three Dowland
songs, and I was as proud of her as a father can be. 
And all of it was Sting's merit!

Mathias

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
von Jurgen Frenz
Gesendet: Freitag, 8. September 2017 09:23
An: Tristan von Neumann
Cc: lutelist Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

   In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to defend the
   purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even some of the
   terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players on YouTube
   have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself. The
   'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on (the folks I
   know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute music or
   Mr. Dowland or anybody else.

   If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on this list)
   who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then there is a
   positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of any early
   music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland pieces
   recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound complete
   different and I think it is great that they do. With the distance of
   over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover and bring
   out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if Mr. Dowland
   or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be concerned
   about. We live the music now and it is the best service that we can do
   to  early music - which is keeping it alive.

   Just my opinion as said in the beginning.

   Best

   Jurgen

   "You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop"
   Rumi

    Original Message ----

   Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

   Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM

   UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44

   From: tristanvonneum...@gmx.de

   To: lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>

   Sting raised at least my interest in the Lute.

   Mainly because of Karamazov, but still.

   It also led to "Singer-Songwriter Time Travels",

   a series of concerts where contemporary singer-songwriters

   were covering old Lute songs or similar Early Music.

   This worked surprisingly well.

   Am 07.09.2017 um 23:26 schrieb G. C.:

   > Harsh words, I liked Sting"s effort. Karamazow also made a fine
   input.

   > On the whole, lute-propagating I think.

   > G.

   >

   > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:18 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program

   > <[1]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote:

   >

   > no effect noticed. Perhaps that is because Sting did neither

   > Dowland

   > nor the lute any service? Not an "artist" I would have chosen

   > to sing

   > Dowland...or anything else for that matter.

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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread Jurgen Frenz

   In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to defend the
   purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even some of the
   terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players on YouTube
   have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself. The
   'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on (the folks I
   know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute music or
   Mr. Dowland or anybody else.

   If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on this list)
   who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then there is a
   positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of any early
   music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland pieces
   recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound complete
   different and I think it is great that they do. With the distance of
   over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover and bring
   out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if Mr. Dowland
   or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be concerned
   about. We live the music now and it is the best service that we can do
   to  early music - which is keeping it alive.

   Just my opinion as said in the beginning.

   Best

   Jurgen

   "You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop"
   Rumi

    Original Message 

   Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

   Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM

   UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44

   From: tristanvonneum...@gmx.de

   To: lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>

   Sting raised at least my interest in the Lute.

   Mainly because of Karamazov, but still.

   It also led to "Singer-Songwriter Time Travels",

   a series of concerts where contemporary singer-songwriters

   were covering old Lute songs or similar Early Music.

   This worked surprisingly well.

   Am 07.09.2017 um 23:26 schrieb G. C.:

   > Harsh words, I liked Sting"s effort. Karamazow also made a fine
   input.

   > On the whole, lute-propagating I think.

   > G.

   >

   > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:18 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program

   > <[1]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote:

   >

   > no effect noticed. Perhaps that is because Sting did neither

   > Dowland

   > nor the lute any service? Not an "artist" I would have chosen

   > to sing

   > Dowland...or anything else for that matter.

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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread r . turovsky

Agree wholeheartedly, Ron!
RT

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:48 PM, Ron Andrico  wrote:
> 
>   Yes, Howard.  I have noticed an increase in the profile of lute music
>   generally and Dowland's music in particular since Sting released his
>   recording.  Of course, we run in different circles than most cloistered
>   lute fanciers, since we perform and not exclusively to early music
>   audiences.
> 
>   When Sting's CD was more current and visible (audible?), there was
>   quite a bit of chatter out in the music world about his Dowland
>   effort.  We observed that his stalwart fans mostly thought the lute
>   diversion was tiresome, and early music nerds thought Sting was
>   tiresome.
> 
>   Personally, I thought Sting did the lute world a great service in
>   raising the profile of the instrument and the music, however briefly.
>   And whether I like his singing or not, I think it was about darn time
>   someone stood up and pointed out that classically-trained voices
>   schooled in Victorian era technique, pronunciation, and performance
>   sensibility were not really a good fit for the lute song repertory.
> 
>   RA
> __
> 
>   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  on behalf
>   of howard posner 
>   Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 8:55 PM
>   To: lutelist Net
>   Subject: [LUTE] "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:40 PM, John Mardinly 
>   wrote:
>> 
>> So is there any chance that this will result in archlute themed
>   backpacks, pencil cases, blankets, pillows or other Disney themed
>   merchandise?
>   It’s been 11 years (!) since Sting tackled (as it were) Dowland in
>   Songs from the Labyrinth.  Some of us were speculating about a
>   potential “Sting effect” raising the lute’s profile in the world.
>   Did anyone notice one?
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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-08 Thread r . turovsky

There is a definite increase in lute awareness due to the Sting/Karamazov 
effect. 

Jim Jarmusch and his band Squrrl started collaborating with the lutenist Josef 
van Wissem, and that resulted in the soundtrack of Jim's penultimate film.

And that resulted in a quite of bit of a solo career on the indie rock circuit 
for Van Wissem!

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:11 PM, howard posner  wrote:

>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Ron Andrico  wrote:
>> 
>> I have noticed an increase in the profile of lute music
>>  generally and Dowland's music in particular since Sting released his
>>  recording.  Of course, we run in different circles than most cloistered
>>  lute fanciers, since we perform and not exclusively to early music
>>  audiences.
>> 
>>  When Sting's CD was more current and visible (audible?), there was
>>  quite a bit of chatter out in the music world about his Dowland
>>  effort.  We observed that his stalwart fans mostly thought the lute
>>  diversion was tiresome, and early music nerds thought Sting was
>>  tiresome.
>> 
>>  Personally, I thought Sting did the lute world a great service in
>>  raising the profile of the instrument and the music, however briefly.
> 
> I’m not sure if you’re describing a continuing profile increase (in which I’m 
> curious what specifically you’ve observed) or a brief “Sting Blip”.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-07 Thread Sean Smith


I received a nice gig from the effect. 

Sean


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:55 PM, howard posner  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:40 PM, John Mardinly  wrote:
>> 
>> So is there any chance that this will result in archlute themed backpacks, 
>> pencil cases, blankets, pillows or other Disney themed merchandise?
> 
> It’s been 11 years (!) since Sting tackled (as it were) Dowland in Songs from 
> the Labyrinth.  Some of us were speculating about a potential “Sting effect” 
> raising the lute’s profile in the world.  
> 
> Did anyone notice one?
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-07 Thread Tristan von Neumann


Sting raised at least my interest in the Lute.
Mainly because of Karamazov, but still.
It also led to "Singer-Songwriter Time Travels",
a series of concerts where contemporary singer-songwriters
were covering old Lute songs or similar Early Music.
This worked surprisingly well.



Am 07.09.2017 um 23:26 schrieb G. C.:

Harsh words, I liked Sting's effort. Karamazow also made a fine input.
On the whole, lute-propagating I think.
G.

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<[1]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote:

 no effect noticed.Perhaps that is because Sting did neither
  Dowland
 nor the lute any service?Not an "artist" I would have chosen
  to sing
 Dowland...or anything else for that matter.




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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-07 Thread howard posner

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Ron Andrico  wrote:
> 
>  I have noticed an increase in the profile of lute music
>   generally and Dowland's music in particular since Sting released his
>   recording.  Of course, we run in different circles than most cloistered
>   lute fanciers, since we perform and not exclusively to early music
>   audiences.
> 
>   When Sting's CD was more current and visible (audible?), there was
>   quite a bit of chatter out in the music world about his Dowland
>   effort.  We observed that his stalwart fans mostly thought the lute
>   diversion was tiresome, and early music nerds thought Sting was
>   tiresome.
> 
>   Personally, I thought Sting did the lute world a great service in
>   raising the profile of the instrument and the music, however briefly.

I’m not sure if you’re describing a continuing profile increase (in which I’m 
curious what specifically you’ve observed) or a brief “Sting Blip”.




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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-07 Thread G. C.

   Harsh words, I liked Sting's effort. Karamazow also made a fine input.
   On the whole, lute-propagating I think.
   G.

   On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:18 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program
   <[1]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote:

no effect noticed.Perhaps that is because Sting did neither
 Dowland
nor the lute any service?Not an "artist" I would have chosen
 to sing
Dowland...or anything else for that matter.
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 5:04 PM Edward Martin
 <[1][2]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 Actually, I cannot recall that I have seen a raising profile
  since the
 "Sting Effect".
 ed
 On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 3:55 PM, howard posner
 <[1][2][3]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
   > On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:40 PM, John Mardinly
   <[2][3][4]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
   >
   > So is there any chance that this will result in archlute
  themed
   backpacks, pencil cases, blankets, pillows or other Disney
  themed
   merchandise?
   It's been 11 years (!) since Sting tackled (as it were)
 Dowland
  in
   Songs from the Labyrinth. Some of us were speculating
 about
  a
   potential "Sting effect" raising the lute's profile in the
  world.
   Did anyone notice one?
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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-07 Thread LSA Lute Rental Program

   no effect noticed.   Perhaps that is because Sting did neither Dowland
   nor the lute any service?   Not an "artist" I would have chosen to sing
   Dowland...or anything else for that matter.

   On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 5:04 PM Edward Martin <[1]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

Actually, I cannot recall that I have seen a raising profile
 since the
"Sting Effect".
ed
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 3:55 PM, howard posner
<[1][2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
  > On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:40 PM, John Mardinly
  <[2][3]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
  >
  > So is there any chance that this will result in archlute
 themed
  backpacks, pencil cases, blankets, pillows or other Disney
 themed
  merchandise?
  It's been 11 years (!) since Sting tackled (as it were) Dowland
 in
  Songs from the Labyrinth.Some of us were speculating about
 a
  potential "Sting effect" raising the lute's profile in the
 world.
  Did anyone notice one?
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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

2017-09-07 Thread Edward Martin

   Actually, I cannot recall that I have seen a raising profile since the
   "Sting Effect".
   ed

   On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 3:55 PM, howard posner
   <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:

 > On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:40 PM, John Mardinly
 <[2]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
 >
 > So is there any chance that this will result in archlute themed
 backpacks, pencil cases, blankets, pillows or other Disney themed
 merchandise?
 It's been 11 years (!) since Sting tackled (as it were) Dowland in
 Songs from the Labyrinth.   Some of us were speculating about a
 potential "Sting effect" raising the lute's profile in the world.
 Did anyone notice one?
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[LUTE] Re: Sting by a Lutenist

2011-07-03 Thread David van Ooijen

And I missed the opportunity to use Stung by a Lutenist as subject line ... |-(

David

On 3 July 2011 11:25, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote:
 As a response to mentioning Sting, in a neutral way as far as I was
 aware, in my recent ramblings on how music becomes different with a
 different sound aesthetic, I received a rather unpleasant private
 e-mail insinuating I have a grudge against Sting. Nothing could be
 further from the truth, in fact I love his music, and to save myself
 the trouble of getting into a nasty exchange of private e-mails, I
 would like you to have a look at what I have my guitar kids play, and
 as example I play for them:
 http://youtu.be/l5llNtjrS4M
 Yes, that's me on steel (!) strings. I rest my case.

 David

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[LUTE] Re: Sting by a Lutenist

2011-07-03 Thread Mathias Roesel

David,

this is awesome. I'll try to play it myself that way according to your
video. Who can attack you because of your assumed personal preferences?!?

Best wishes,

Mathias


 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
 Auftrag von David van Ooijen
 Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juli 2011 11:26
 An: lutelist Net
 Betreff: [LUTE] Sting by a Lutenist
 
 As a response to mentioning Sting, in a neutral way as far as I was aware,
in my
 recent ramblings on how music becomes different with a different sound
 aesthetic, I received a rather unpleasant private e-mail insinuating I
have a
 grudge against Sting. Nothing could be further from the truth, in fact I
love his
 music, and to save myself the trouble of getting into a nasty exchange of
private
 e-mails, I would like you to have a look at what I have my guitar kids
play, and as
 example I play for them:
 http://youtu.be/l5llNtjrS4M
 Yes, that's me on steel (!) strings. I rest my case.
 
 David
 
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[LUTE] Re: Sting shows how to play the Lute

2008-11-09 Thread Omer katzir


Ohh man... that was a good one. STING SUCKS


On Nov 9, 2008, at 2:48 PM, igor . wrote:


  Now,You all should learn how to play !
  [1]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7714354.stm
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[LUTE] Re: Sting

2006-11-26 Thread Ron Fletcher

Roman wrote...
Why don't you write an article from scratch on the subject of Appropriate
and authentic lute stringing with negative view of Burguete, Holzenburg,
Stubbs, Junghaenel, Karamazov, Sting, et.al.
rather than vandalizing other people's work?
RT

I doubt that Mark would even consider falling into this trap... 

Was it not Roman that openly insulted Michael Stitt and condemned his
'Bach-plucked' web-site for, - in his own words, 'inaccurate and dangerous
content' and, ultimately caused it to be taken off the web?

There was no remorse or apology forthcoming either.

Could this be a prime example of vandalizing someone's work?  Mmm?

I rest my case.

Ron (UK)





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[LUTE] Re: Sting

2006-11-26 Thread Rob Dorsey

To All what deserve it,

This is most tiring. I have placed Roman on my Spam blocked list. I defend
free speech - one of our better American habits - but, Jeez-Louise, enough
already. 

Ahhh...Peace.

Best,
Rob Dorsey
http://RobDorsey.com 

-Original Message-
From: Ron Fletcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:28 AM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Sting

Roman wrote...
Why don't you write an article from scratch on the subject of Appropriate
and authentic lute stringing with negative view of Burguete, Holzenburg,
Stubbs, Junghaenel, Karamazov, Sting, et.al.
rather than vandalizing other people's work?
RT

I doubt that Mark would even consider falling into this trap... 

Was it not Roman that openly insulted Michael Stitt and condemned his
'Bach-plucked' web-site for, - in his own words, 'inaccurate and dangerous
content' and, ultimately caused it to be taken off the web?

There was no remorse or apology forthcoming either.

Could this be a prime example of vandalizing someone's work?  Mmm?

I rest my case.

Ron (UK)





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