MBraille podcast

2013-06-29 Thread Chris H

Good morning all.
Simple question, who would like me to do a podcast on this fantastic 
app? Plan to do it in a few weeks.

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Re: i phone users.

2013-06-29 Thread Eugenia Firth
Thanks. I did not know about 15 minutes that it would stop anyway. However, I 
am having a problem using the app switcher to close the program after I go in 
to BlindSquare. The husband turn voiceover off, and he had the same problem. I 
had to restart the iPhone. What happens is using voice over you have to double 
tap and hold in order to get into the edit apps to take them off of the app 
switcher. However the app switcher refuses to go into the editing feature and 
instead opens whatever program you Happened to touch. If I restart the iPhone, 
it doesn't do that. This is really weird, and I have never seen this happen 
before.

However, now that I know about 15 minutes, maybe I'll just leave it alone since 
I have a for S iPhone.
Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa  wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is just 
> that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop it. In 
> iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while anyway 
> (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take battery more 
> than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which device models it 
> does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.
> 
> You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you want 
> to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help you how 
> to do it with voiceover. 
> There are other options too, you can find more info from here: 
> http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> Hi there 
>> I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as features. 
>> There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee, just to 
>> name one, that I love. 
>> 
>> I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list anyway. 
>> Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird problem 
>> that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher, and press 
>> double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to open the 
>> program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close it is 
>> because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm not 
>> there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance, my 
>> house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way, is 
>> better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing that 
>> I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello you all!
>>> 
>>> Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the 
>>> level of independence an iDevice can make possible.
>>> 
>>> If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting with 
>>> end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit by 
>>> bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional development 
>>> style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving your ideas 
>>> what you would like to see in future versions.
>>> 
>>> BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 Hi guys 
 When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed 
 that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and 
 that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never 
 dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my 
 refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When 
 people talked about the camera, I remember thinking "Well, who cares!" I 
 remember Johnathan you doing a podcast or some kind of presentation for 
 Freedom Scientific talking about braille displays with an iPhone and I was 
 sitting there thinking about what a stupid idea this was to have a braille 
 display hooked up to a phone of all things. I remember saying to myself: 
 "Why would anybody want music, email, etc. on a phone of all things?" Of 
 course, guess what I have on my iPhone these days! I just plain flat 
 didn't get it what things I could do with an iPhone. I kept thinking of it 
 as a phone instead of a little bitty computer with the ability to make 
 phone calls. I have a blind friend who has decided she will an iPhone 
 eventually, but she doesn't get yet either. She keeps saying to me: "Well, 
 I can do all that right now." I guess she won't get it either until she 
 gets one herself. She would love BlindSquare, but she doesn't know it yet. 
 It's a case of finding out you wanted something you didn't know you wanted 
 until you got it. 
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 
 On Jun 27, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kerri  wrote:
 
> *g

Re: i phone users.

2013-06-29 Thread Ilkka Pirttimaa
Yes, try that out. The thing you describe is something that app has no
control of, so it's iOS feature/problem. I believe you can't stop any other
app either?


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Thanks. I did not know about 15 minutes that it would stop anyway.
> However, I am having a problem using the app switcher to close the program
> after I go in to BlindSquare. The husband turn voiceover off, and he had
> the same problem. I had to restart the iPhone. What happens is using voice
> over you have to double tap and hold in order to get into the edit apps to
> take them off of the app switcher. However the app switcher refuses to go
> into the editing feature and instead opens whatever program you Happened to
> touch. If I restart the iPhone, it doesn't do that. This is really weird,
> and I have never seen this happen before.
>
> However, now that I know about 15 minutes, maybe I'll just leave it alone
> since I have a for S iPhone.
> Regards,
> Gigi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa 
> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is
> just that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop
> it. In iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while
> anyway (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take
> battery more than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which
> device models it does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.
>
> You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you
> want to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help
> you how to do it with voiceover.
> There are other options too, you can find more info from here:
> http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>
>> Hi there
>> I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as
>> features. There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee,
>> just to name one, that I love.
>>
>> I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list anyway.
>> Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird problem
>> that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher, and
>> press double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to open
>> the program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close it is
>> because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm not
>> there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance, my
>> house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way, is
>> better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing
>> that I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello you all!
>>
>> Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the
>> level of independence an iDevice can make possible.
>>
>> If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting
>> with end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit
>> by bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional
>> development style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving
>> your ideas what you would like to see in future versions.
>>
>> BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys
>>> When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed
>>> that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and
>>> that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never
>>> dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my
>>> refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When
>>> people talked about the camera, I remember thinking "Well, who cares!" I
>>> remember Johnathan you doing a podcast or some kind of presentation for
>>> Freedom Scientific talking about braille displays with an iPhone and I was
>>> sitting there thinking about what a stupid idea this was to have a braille
>>> display hooked up to a phone of all things. I remember saying to myself:
>>> "Why would anybody want music, email, etc. on a phone of all things?" Of
>>> course, guess what I have on my iPhone these days! I just plain flat didn't
>>> get it what things I could do with an iPhone. I kept thinking of it as a
>>> phone instead of a little bitty computer with the ability to make phone
>>> calls. I have a blind friend who has decided she will an iPhone eventually,
>>> but she doesn't get yet either. She keeps saying to me: "Well, I can do all
>>> that right now." I guess she won't get it either until she gets one
>>> herself. She would love BlindSquare, but she doesn't know it yet. It's a
>>> case of finding out you wanted something you d

Re: finding dropbox

2013-06-29 Thread Danny Noonan
Yes you download it from the 
Dropbox.com
Site and do the following to install it properly. 

. Do a google search for
Install Dropbox with VoiceOver
And a great document from memory by maccessibility will turn up with simple 
instructions on installing Dropbox. Follow them or you won't get full access to 
functionality. 



Danny. 
Sent from my iPhone

On 29/06/2013, at 2:20 PM, jean parker  wrote:

>Hello All:
> So I went to the app store for the mac for the first time thinking that I 
> would download dropbox and see if I can figure it out.  I did a search for it 
> but all that the results showed appear to be some programs that work with 
> drop box.
> I am thinking perhaps it must be downloaded from the drop box site rather 
> than the  app store?
> Is there anything I need to know before installing it?
> Many thanks,
> Jean
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Re: MBraille podcast

2013-06-29 Thread shane christenson
I would love something like that. 
On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:44 AM, Chris H  wrote:

> Good morning all.
> Simple question, who would like me to do a podcast on this fantastic app? 
> Plan to do it in a few weeks.
> Comments welcome.
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Mac FTP Client?

2013-06-29 Thread shane christenson
Are there any V-O accessible ftp clients for Mac? Thanks.

Shane

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Remapping vo to capslock again.

2013-06-29 Thread Danny Noonan
With the updates to the apps to rout vo to caps lock, just wondered which app 
versions should be used now. I tried installing them and following the applevis 
instructions but it didn't work and I'm trying to work out what went wrong. 

Any help greatly appreciated.

Danny.


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Re: why is vuescan necessary to use with Abby fine reader

2013-06-29 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Anne,

so I have a scanner with an automatic document feeder that holds approx 50 
pages.  Is it not possible to start a scan in ABBYY and just have it scan 
continuously as long as there is paper in the document feeder?  It is possible 
to do this in Windows, so it seems like it ought to be possible on the Mac as 
well.
Best,
Donna
On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Christina,
> 
> It isn't actually necessary to use VueScan with FineReader, but it makes 
> scanning multiple pages much easier and quicker. You can scan multiple pages 
> with ABBYY FineReader, but you have to perform several actions between pages 
> whereas with VueScan, you can either set it to autorepeat or press Cmd-n for 
> each scan, then Cmd-g to tell VueScan that you've scanned the final page, and 
> it will close the file and open FineReader so that FR can perform the OCR.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 29 Jun 2013, at 03:24, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
>> Why do folks suggest that we buy both? What are the benefits to scanning 
>> with vuescan and then using Abby fine reader for the OCR? Why can't we just 
>> use fine reader for the scanning as well?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
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Re: why is vuescan necessary to use with Abby fine reader

2013-06-29 Thread Anouk Radix
Hi Donna, The problem that i personally get when trying to scan with my adf 
multiple times if using finereader on the mac:
After a few tries the adf works fine, so it can scan continuously, but when you 
have inserted the next load in the pdf and hit scan in finereader you will 
again have to set the settings in the driver before you can start scanning 
again, so you have to tell the driver that you want to use the adf for input 
etc.
I am not sure if this is where Anne is referring to as well but i for my part 
will try vuescan tosee if that will make it a bit less complicated.
Testing the different aproaches is key here i guess and see what works the 
quickest.
Greetings, Anouk,
On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi Anne,
> 
> so I have a scanner with an automatic document feeder that holds approx 50 
> pages.  Is it not possible to start a scan in ABBYY and just have it scan 
> continuously as long as there is paper in the document feeder?  It is 
> possible to do this in Windows, so it seems like it ought to be possible on 
> the Mac as well.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Christina,
>> 
>> It isn't actually necessary to use VueScan with FineReader, but it makes 
>> scanning multiple pages much easier and quicker. You can scan multiple pages 
>> with ABBYY FineReader, but you have to perform several actions between pages 
>> whereas with VueScan, you can either set it to autorepeat or press Cmd-n for 
>> each scan, then Cmd-g to tell VueScan that you've scanned the final page, 
>> and it will close the file and open FineReader so that FR can perform the 
>> OCR.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Jun 2013, at 03:24, Christina C.  wrote:
>> 
>>> Why do folks suggest that we buy both? What are the benefits to scanning 
>>> with vuescan and then using Abby fine reader for the OCR? Why can't we just 
>>> use fine reader for the scanning as well?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christina
>>> 
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Re: i phone users.

2013-06-29 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi again
As far as I remember, that is right that it's not just BlindSquare that I 
couldn't stop. However, for some weird reason, and it may be an iOS  thing like 
you  say, I have never had this happen when exiting any other program. I have 
Navigon On my iPhone also, and it has never done this with the app switcher.  
However  it wants not to stop  either. So, like you say, it is probably 
something you can't do anything about.


Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 29, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa  wrote:

> Yes, try that out. The thing you describe is something that app has no 
> control of, so it's iOS feature/problem. I believe you can't stop any other 
> app either?
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> Thanks. I did not know about 15 minutes that it would stop anyway. However, 
>> I am having a problem using the app switcher to close the program after I go 
>> in to BlindSquare. The husband turn voiceover off, and he had the same 
>> problem. I had to restart the iPhone. What happens is using voice over you 
>> have to double tap and hold in order to get into the edit apps to take them 
>> off of the app switcher. However the app switcher refuses to go into the 
>> editing feature and instead opens whatever program you Happened to touch. If 
>> I restart the iPhone, it doesn't do that. This is really weird, and I have 
>> never seen this happen before.
>> 
>> However, now that I know about 15 minutes, maybe I'll just leave it alone 
>> since I have a for S iPhone.
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello!
>>> 
>>> This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is 
>>> just that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop 
>>> it. In iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while 
>>> anyway (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take 
>>> battery more than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which 
>>> device models it does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.
>>> 
>>> You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you want 
>>> to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help you how 
>>> to do it with voiceover. 
>>> There are other options too, you can find more info from here: 
>>> http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 Hi there 
 I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as 
 features. There are some other programs that I can mention, like 
 TapTapSee, just to name one, that I love. 
 
 I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list anyway. 
 Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird problem 
 that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher, and 
 press double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to open 
 the program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close it 
 is because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm not 
 there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance, my 
 house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way, 
 is better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing 
 that I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa  
 wrote:
 
> Hello you all!
> 
> Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the 
> level of independence an iDevice can make possible.
> 
> If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting 
> with end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, 
> bit by bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional 
> development style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by 
> giving your ideas what you would like to see in future versions.
> 
> BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> Hi guys 
>> When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed 
>> that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it 
>> and that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I 
>> never dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my 
>> refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. 
>> When people talked about the camera, I remember thinking "Well, who 
>> cares!" I remember Johnathan you doing a podcast or some kind of 
>> presentation for Freedom Scientific talking about braille displays with 
>> an iPhone and I was sitting there thinking about what a stupi

Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland
Gigi, I totally understand that, and that's great.  I also am a huge fan of 
the alarm clock on the IPhone, so I'm not arguing your fact there in the 
least!


What I however was talking about was for the Mac, not for I O S.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eugenia Firth" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


Yes. These days I use the iPhone for my alarm clock whenever I don't want to 
mess with the one I've got. Which by the way is most of the time. My iPhone 
5 I just say "Siri set the alarm for "whatever it is

Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

I have found many alarm clocks for IOS that work quite well.  What I am 
now seeking is a good alarm clock for the Mac that I can run under OSX.  I 
don't really need anything fancy at all.  I don't need to be able to set 
multiple alarms, although that would be nice to have as a bonus.  I don't 
need a snooze function, nor any ability to play a particular file from my 
ITunes library.  I just need something with a few built in sounds I can 
choose between.  I don't need to necessarily set recurring alarms.  I 
already have a count down timer, so please don't steer me down that path. 
What I need specifically is just a very very most low end bottom of the 
line alarm clock.  Just something real down and dirty that will get the 
job done.  No, Terminal users... I'm not gonna do this as a cron job in my 
crontab.  I'm sorry but that's a pain in my butt, and though I know how to 
do it, really... for something this easy... why?  I just want to set the 
sound, set when I want it to go off, toggle the alarm from the off setting 
to the on setting, have the clock go in my menu extras so it's out of the 
way and not running in my command tab order, and just be done with it.


Does such an app exist that would be Voiceover friendly, obviously?

Chris.
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Re: Installing Jaws in Windows 7 in a virtual machine 7 hours no luck

2013-06-29 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I am not sure,.
On 28 Jun 2013, at 23:01, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi there. Would a Jaws 13 work with a Jaws 14 license? I know that the 
> licensing scheme of Jfw is very strange and picky and stuff so i wonder if 
> that's the case here.
> /Krister
> 
> 28 jun 2013 kl. 23:04 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> 
>> I had this problem once and I found out that it was a bug in Jaws 14.  You 
>> could put Jaws 13 on there and see if it came up with the same error.  If it 
>> does, try jaws 12 as that should be OK.
>> On 28 Jun 2013, at 16:31, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm writing to the list in a desperate attempt to get things solved before 
>>> having to resort to authorities here in Sweden who are most likely on 
>>> holiday or vacation until God knows when.
>>> I am trying to install Jaws 14 under a virtual machine in Vmware Fusion 5 
>>> and everythhing seems to go quite smoothly but upon restarting Jaws after 
>>> installation i keep getting an error message which i now very roughly will 
>>> translate since it's in swedish: "Freedom Scientific mirror driver not 
>>> installed correctly. Restart your computer if you haven't done so already 
>>> if that doesn't solve the problem try reparing the installation to install 
>>> the broken driver. Run the installation package with the command line 
>>> switch "/typerepair"." Only problem is i have repaired and repaired, i have 
>>> even uninstalled and reinstalled and i keep getting this same error 
>>> message. What obvious thing am i missing? What am i doing wrong? Vmware 
>>> tools is uninstalled as far as i know, the anti virus program i use is 
>>> disengaged, so what am i doing wrong?
>>> Any and all help would be much appreciated as i need this setup urgently. I 
>>> could use another screen reader and would gladly do so if it could do what 
>>> i have in mind which it can't 
>>> Thanks for any and all help.
>>> /Krister
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Re: Mac FTP Client?

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland

I'd highly recommend one called Transmit.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "shane christenson" 

To: ; 
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 7:04 AM
Subject: Mac FTP Client?



Are there any V-O accessible ftp clients for Mac? Thanks.

Shane

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Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread erik burggraaf
Hi,  I just use wake up.  It's as bare as bare bones can be, but for the odd 
time when I need my computer to wake me up it does the job.

Best,

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On 2013-06-29, at 9:24 AM, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:

> Gigi, I totally understand that, and that's great.  I also am a huge fan of 
> the alarm clock on the IPhone, so I'm not arguing your fact there in the 
> least!
> 
> What I however was talking about was for the Mac, not for I O S.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Eugenia Firth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?
> 
> 
> Yes. These days I use the iPhone for my alarm clock whenever I don't want to 
> mess with the one I've got. Which by the way is most of the time. My iPhone 5 
> I just say "Siri set the alarm for "whatever it is
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
>> I have found many alarm clocks for IOS that work quite well.  What I am now 
>> seeking is a good alarm clock for the Mac that I can run under OSX.  I don't 
>> really need anything fancy at all.  I don't need to be able to set multiple 
>> alarms, although that would be nice to have as a bonus.  I don't need a 
>> snooze function, nor any ability to play a particular file from my ITunes 
>> library.  I just need something with a few built in sounds I can choose 
>> between.  I don't need to necessarily set recurring alarms.  I already have 
>> a count down timer, so please don't steer me down that path. What I need 
>> specifically is just a very very most low end bottom of the line alarm 
>> clock.  Just something real down and dirty that will get the job done.  No, 
>> Terminal users... I'm not gonna do this as a cron job in my crontab.  I'm 
>> sorry but that's a pain in my butt, and though I know how to do it, 
>> really... for something this easy... why?  I just want to set the sound, set 
>> when I want it to go off, toggle the alarm from the off setting to the on 
>> setting, have the clock go in my menu extras so it's out of the way and not 
>> running in my command tab order, and just be done with it.
>> 
>> Does such an app exist that would be Voiceover friendly, obviously?
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: Blind square wasRe: i phone users.

2013-06-29 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I don't like Blind Square but am using it whilst waiting for the new Sendero 
App.  Blind Square keeps going to sleep if you stand still and it won't wake up 
unless your open the phone after it's been locked.  I keep it locked to 
preserve battery.  I just wish it would wake up automatically once you started 
walking or moving again.

Kawal.
On 29 Jun 2013, at 00:37, "Red.Falcon"  wrote:

> I also would like this info!
> I have the same thing!
> Colin
> 
> On 29 Jun 2013, at 00:32, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there 
>> I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as features. 
>> There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee, just to 
>> name one, that I love. 
>> 
>> I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list anyway. 
>> Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird problem 
>> that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher, and press 
>> double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to open the 
>> program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close it is 
>> because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm not 
>> there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance, my 
>> house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way, is 
>> better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing that 
>> I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello you all!
>>> 
>>> Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the 
>>> level of independence an iDevice can make possible.
>>> 
>>> If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting with 
>>> end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit by 
>>> bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional development 
>>> style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving your ideas 
>>> what you would like to see in future versions.
>>> 
>>> BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> Hi guys 
>>> When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed that 
>>> I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and that 
>>> I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never dreamed 
>>> of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my refrigerator or a 
>>> can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When people talked about 
>>> the camera, I remember thinking "Well, who cares!" I remember Johnathan you 
>>> doing a podcast or some kind of presentation for Freedom Scientific talking 
>>> about braille displays with an iPhone and I was sitting there thinking 
>>> about what a stupid idea this was to have a braille display hooked up to a 
>>> phone of all things. I remember saying to myself: "Why would anybody want 
>>> music, email, etc. on a phone of all things?" Of course, guess what I have 
>>> on my iPhone these days! I just plain flat didn't get it what things I 
>>> could do with an iPhone. I kept thinking of it as a phone instead of a 
>>> little bitty computer with the ability to make phone calls. I have a blind 
>>> friend who has decided she will an iPhone eventually, but she doesn't get 
>>> yet either. She keeps saying to me: "Well, I can do all that right now." I 
>>> guess she won't get it either until she gets one herself. She would love 
>>> BlindSquare, but she doesn't know it yet. It's a case of finding out you 
>>> wanted something you didn't know you wanted until you got it. 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kerri  wrote:
>>> 
 *grin, seriously addicted grin.
 On 2013-06-27, at 2:13 PM, Chenelle Hancock  
 wrote:
 
>> 
>> Hello  everyone, 
> 
> I have been an apple I Phone  user  Since  October 31, 209. When I first 
> purchased  my very  first I Phone 3. g s.  I had never  texted  anyone 
> that I knew with a smart phone. I didn't  have the proper access  to a 
> smart phone where I could text, send email or instant  messages  let 
> alone  download  music and video content.  Without  having sighted 
> assistancevery. So when I had my brand new I phone inside  of my hands. I 
> was so elated  with joy I did not know what  to do with myself  at first. 
> Now  I cannot ever see myself with out one. Now I  not only have an I 
> phone  4. s. But I have a makdck book  pro and a time capsule along  with 
> an I pad mini and  and finally  I have a Apple TV.  That Is how invested  
> in all things apple that I am at the moment. 
> For the record I will never go back to the Windows  operating system ever 
> again as long as I live. 
> Sincerely,  Chenelle 
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Re: why is vuescan necessary to use with Abby fine reader

2013-06-29 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Donna,

I haven't got a scanner with an automatic document feeder so I can't test this. 
However, ABBYY FineReader for Mac is an express version so doesn't have all the 
options.

For those of us with simple scanners, the advantage of VueScan is that it's 
much more efficient than FineReader for scanning.

Cheers,

Anne


On 29 Jun 2013, at 14:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi Anne,
> 
> so I have a scanner with an automatic document feeder that holds approx 50 
> pages.  Is it not possible to start a scan in ABBYY and just have it scan 
> continuously as long as there is paper in the document feeder?  It is 
> possible to do this in Windows, so it seems like it ought to be possible on 
> the Mac as well.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Christina,
>> 
>> It isn't actually necessary to use VueScan with FineReader, but it makes 
>> scanning multiple pages much easier and quicker. You can scan multiple pages 
>> with ABBYY FineReader, but you have to perform several actions between pages 
>> whereas with VueScan, you can either set it to autorepeat or press Cmd-n for 
>> each scan, then Cmd-g to tell VueScan that you've scanned the final page, 
>> and it will close the file and open FineReader so that FR can perform the 
>> OCR.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Jun 2013, at 03:24, Christina C.  wrote:
>> 
>>> Why do folks suggest that we buy both? What are the benefits to scanning 
>>> with vuescan and then using Abby fine reader for the OCR? Why can't we just 
>>> use fine reader for the scanning as well?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christina
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Re: why is vuescan necessary to use with Abby fine reader

2013-06-29 Thread Donna Goodin
Huh.  That's weird.  ABBYY in windows doesn't have that issue.
Donna
On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:

> Hi Donna, The problem that i personally get when trying to scan with my adf 
> multiple times if using finereader on the mac:
> After a few tries the adf works fine, so it can scan continuously, but when 
> you have inserted the next load in the pdf and hit scan in finereader you 
> will again have to set the settings in the driver before you can start 
> scanning again, so you have to tell the driver that you want to use the adf 
> for input etc.
> I am not sure if this is where Anne is referring to as well but i for my part 
> will try vuescan tosee if that will make it a bit less complicated.
> Testing the different aproaches is key here i guess and see what works the 
> quickest.
> Greetings, Anouk,
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> so I have a scanner with an automatic document feeder that holds approx 50 
>> pages.  Is it not possible to start a scan in ABBYY and just have it scan 
>> continuously as long as there is paper in the document feeder?  It is 
>> possible to do this in Windows, so it seems like it ought to be possible on 
>> the Mac as well.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Christina,
>>> 
>>> It isn't actually necessary to use VueScan with FineReader, but it makes 
>>> scanning multiple pages much easier and quicker. You can scan multiple 
>>> pages with ABBYY FineReader, but you have to perform several actions 
>>> between pages whereas with VueScan, you can either set it to autorepeat or 
>>> press Cmd-n for each scan, then Cmd-g to tell VueScan that you've scanned 
>>> the final page, and it will close the file and open FineReader so that FR 
>>> can perform the OCR.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2013, at 03:24, Christina C.  wrote:
>>> 
 Why do folks suggest that we buy both? What are the benefits to scanning 
 with vuescan and then using Abby fine reader for the OCR? Why can't we 
 just use fine reader for the scanning as well?
 
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Re: why is vuescan necessary to use with Abby fine reader

2013-06-29 Thread Donna Goodin
Interesting.  thanks, Anne.  It's too bad, I would go crazy if I didn't have an 
ADF, I don't think I want to buy two separate apps, though. so will have to 
keep thinking about this.
Best,
Donna
On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Donna,
> 
> I haven't got a scanner with an automatic document feeder so I can't test 
> this. However, ABBYY FineReader for Mac is an express version so doesn't have 
> all the options.
> 
> For those of us with simple scanners, the advantage of VueScan is that it's 
> much more efficient than FineReader for scanning.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 29 Jun 2013, at 14:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> so I have a scanner with an automatic document feeder that holds approx 50 
>> pages.  Is it not possible to start a scan in ABBYY and just have it scan 
>> continuously as long as there is paper in the document feeder?  It is 
>> possible to do this in Windows, so it seems like it ought to be possible on 
>> the Mac as well.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Christina,
>>> 
>>> It isn't actually necessary to use VueScan with FineReader, but it makes 
>>> scanning multiple pages much easier and quicker. You can scan multiple 
>>> pages with ABBYY FineReader, but you have to perform several actions 
>>> between pages whereas with VueScan, you can either set it to autorepeat or 
>>> press Cmd-n for each scan, then Cmd-g to tell VueScan that you've scanned 
>>> the final page, and it will close the file and open FineReader so that FR 
>>> can perform the OCR.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2013, at 03:24, Christina C.  wrote:
>>> 
 Why do folks suggest that we buy both? What are the benefits to scanning 
 with vuescan and then using Abby fine reader for the OCR? Why can't we 
 just use fine reader for the scanning as well?
 
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num pad commander

2013-06-29 Thread Cait and Maggie
Is there a list someplace of the commands you can use with the num pad 
commander, or do you have to configure all of them?  I'd like to get to know 
how to use this more fully.
Thanks for any help.
Caitlyn

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Re: num pad commander

2013-06-29 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi!
Open VO+f8 then select Command+8 to take you to commanders!
Then select the Numpad tab and when you arrow across to the table you can 
interact and you get a list of all commands without a modifier key!
Then stop interacting and arrow left and there is a popup menu to select each 
modifier key pick one and go back to the table to see what commands can be done 
with that one!
This also means you can see which commands can have a function added to them!
hth Colin

On 29 Jun 2013, at 15:16, Cait and Maggie  wrote:

> Is there a list someplace of the commands you can use with the num pad 
> commander, or do you have to configure all of them?  I'd like to get to know 
> how to use this more fully.
> Thanks for any help.
> Caitlyn
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Need recommendation for Video Conferencing Webcam for mac mini & ML. Tim? any body?

2013-06-29 Thread CHUCK REICHEL
Hi List,
What Video Conferencing Webcam works well with ML and my mac mini?
Skype?
Face time?
I'd like to get one that mounts on my flat screen for convenience.
TIA



CHUCK REICHEL
soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
www.SoundPictureRecording.com
954-742-0019
GUFFAWING :)
In GOD I Trust

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Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland
Do you know roughly how much it costs or if it's in the app store?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: erik burggraaf 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


  Hi,  I just use wake up.  It's as bare as bare bones can be, but for the odd 
time when I need my computer to wake me up it does the job.


  Best,


  Erik Burggraaf
  Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
  Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
  or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com


  On 2013-06-29, at 9:24 AM, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:


Gigi, I totally understand that, and that's great.  I also am a huge fan of 
the alarm clock on the IPhone, so I'm not arguing your fact there in the least!

What I however was talking about was for the Mac, not for I O S.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Eugenia Firth" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


Yes. These days I use the iPhone for my alarm clock whenever I don't want 
to mess with the one I've got. Which by the way is most of the time. My iPhone 
5 I just say "Siri set the alarm for "whatever it is
Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:


  I have found many alarm clocks for IOS that work quite well.  What I am 
now seeking is a good alarm clock for the Mac that I can run under OSX.  I 
don't really need anything fancy at all.  I don't need to be able to set 
multiple alarms, although that would be nice to have as a bonus.  I don't need 
a snooze function, nor any ability to play a particular file from my ITunes 
library.  I just need something with a few built in sounds I can choose 
between.  I don't need to necessarily set recurring alarms.  I already have a 
count down timer, so please don't steer me down that path. What I need 
specifically is just a very very most low end bottom of the line alarm clock.  
Just something real down and dirty that will get the job done.  No, Terminal 
users... I'm not gonna do this as a cron job in my crontab.  I'm sorry but 
that's a pain in my butt, and though I know how to do it, really... for 
something this easy... why?  I just want to set the sound, set when I want it 
to go off, toggle the alarm from the off setting to the on setting, have the 
clock go in my menu extras so it's out of the way and not running in my command 
tab order, and just be done with it.

  Does such an app exist that would be Voiceover friendly, obviously?

  Chris.
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Re: Ibooks Coming to the Mac

2013-06-29 Thread Maria & Joe Chapman
HI I totally love to read and apple has a fairly good selection.  It will be 
nice to read ibooks on either my phone or mac and have the 2 sinc.  


Maria Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - 
Mahatma Gandhi

On 28/06/2013, at 3:36 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> After going through all the announcements about the IOS and OS I was kind of 
> curious why the blind community is so excited about Ibooks coming to the mac. 
> I never use Ibooks on the iPhone, and am curious, do people use it for more 
> than just reading books. Am I missing something here? I am more of a podcasts 
> and news reader than book reader, so maybe that is why I didn't get all of 
> the excitement. Would love to hear what I might be missing out on here. 
> Thanks.
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Re: Need recommendation for Video Conferencing Webcam for mac mini & ML. Tim? any body?

2013-06-29 Thread Alex Hall
Your messages are coming through, there's no need to keep sending the same one. 
I know you have not gotten an answer, but that is simply a sign that no one who 
has read your message knows the answer. Google will be your best bet here, as 
cameras have nothing to do with Voiceover or accessibility.
On Jun 29, 2013, at 11:12 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
wrote:

> Hi List,
> What Video Conferencing Webcam works well with ML and my mac mini?
> Skype?
> Face time?
> I'd like to get one that mounts on my flat screen for convenience.
> TIA
> 
> 
> 
> CHUCK REICHEL
> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
> www.SoundPictureRecording.com
> 954-742-0019
> GUFFAWING :)
> In GOD I Trust
> 
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Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site

2013-06-29 Thread Phil Halton
I knew you'd take it personally Chris. Sometimes people just get sarcastic and 
you can't let it get to you so much. If you re-read my message, you'll perhaps 
see that there wasn't anything in there that should get a person so upset. I 
mean really, all I did is answer your question factually, then refer to myself 
as a gracious bugger, and ask the question, "is it okay to mention the Windows 
operating system here"? that wasn't a slam on you. It wasn't even directed at 
you personally, but was more a comment on fanaticism about mentioning Windows 
on Mac Lists. Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of having to pussy foot 
around you. Try just ignoring things that seem like personal attacks. 99 times 
out of 100 , they aren't, and its just something bugging you that makes them 
seem like they are.

In fact, you could start by ignoring any perceived insult or personal attack 
you see in this message, because there isn't any. 

In case you want to flame me for speaking my mind, I'll let you know that I'm 
just going to hit the delete key when I see this message again, so it'll just 
be a waste of your time.

  Try to forget me and have a nice day.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Gilland 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:49 PM
  Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site


  Well, excuse me.  As I initially said, and meant when I did… I wasn't trying 
to be rude, and the fact that you took it such way wasn't intended.  I only was 
asking how it related.  It wasn't meant as a derogatory comment.  Calm down!  I 
simply just didn't see the initial part of the thread, and was asking out of 
curiosity.  give me a break for goodness sake!


  Chris.


  On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:41 PM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:


someone asked for NVDA tutorials, I assume for use in their Fusion install 
of Windows. And, gracious bugger that I am, I complied.

Is it okay to speak the name of that other OS on this list? I know it isn't 
on the other MAC list - just the mention of it will get you a stern rebuke. 
That's probably why I don't bother with them anymore.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Gilland 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:56 PM
  Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site


  Uh?  What's this gotta do with the Mac?  Not meaning to be rude, just 
curious.  Did I miss something?

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Phil Halton 
To: Macvisionaries 
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:52 AM
Subject: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site


Here's a link to a website that has some very good tutorial podcasts on 
NVDA. Don't forget to read the extensive and well-written help file that comes 
with NVDA as well.

http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/


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Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Nicholas Parsons
I use Sleepy Time (can't remember if it's one word or two). It's available from 
the Mac App Store. I use it to wake me up with a playlist from iTunes, but it 
has lots of built-in sounds and playlists as well. You can also choose for it 
to wake you up with a custom message from any one of Apple's built-in text to 
speech voices. It offers the ability to schedule alarms, but does not have 
multiple alarms. It does have a snooze function. It does not, so far as I'm 
aware, let you assign it to the extras menu. This is no biggie for me though as 
I only use this when I"I'm going to sleep so I don't mind running the app. If I 
need an alarm while I'm awake I just use Reminders.
Cheers,
Nic

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Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland
Sir?  That is no? problem!

I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to block 
every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.  Frankly, you're 
being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But, Mister Congeniality whom 
I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times before, may I add the 
mods taking my side every single time, your perfect because you're god, and you 
know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize one! No one else ever! is right, 
everyone but you is wrong!  God damn straight I took what you said personally 
in your last reply.  Why shouldn't I when you were down right rude.

All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what you 
said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though you 
clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a 
despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't 
haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God fucking 
dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants to 
say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even think! 
about writing me telling me to God up!  People on this list're gonna learn, in 
a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is non CLG 
Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when you treat me 
this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me saying what I am 
is in the wrong, let me remind you of something:  This list is a macintosh 
Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list.  There is another list specifically for 
that,


nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com

and I'm sure people there would be happy to help.  Second of all, what was nice 
about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying he's tired of my 
pussy whatever comments.  I don't remember his wording, but who the hell cares! 
 You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you might get it, but if you sit here 
and trample me for one honest to goodness question, don't expect anything in 
return.  I don't mind you speaking your mind, Phil, no, but just as you have 
the right to speak your's, so do I, and that's exactly what you've forced my 
hand to do.  You all will learn very quickly, I can be the best friend, and 
most patient compassionate man you'll probably know, but you piss me off?  
wheuhuhho boy! are you gonna know it!

Frankly, if you wanna delete my e-mails, Phil or not, go right? ahead!  People 
like you all who do that have that right certainly, but frankly, you guys are 
not worth my time nor energy, so get off my case, as frankly, not only do I not 
wanna hear it, but frankly, I'm neither going! to listen to it, case closed!  I 
am done with this discussion, so don't even think! about writing me on or off 
list about it, as if I see one e-mail from this thread, it's getting deleted 
and not even opened.

If you wanna write me off list to express your support in my stance, go for it, 
but I'm telling you now, you put the word n v d A in your subject, don't then 
expect me to read the mail.  And, if you try faking me by an off the wall 
subject, believe me though I may open the mail unknowingly, as soon as I see 
your disguise, you'll be deleted, and forever e-mail blocked, so don't? try it! 
 I'm warnhing you now!  If you immature children! want my help, then straighten 
the hell up!  God damn! why didn't some of you get pops on the butt with a belt 
when you were young.  Would a probably done you some good!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Phil Halton 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:30 PM
  Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site


  I knew you'd take it personally Chris. Sometimes people just get sarcastic 
and you can't let it get to you so much. If you re-read my message, you'll 
perhaps see that there wasn't anything in there that should get a person so 
upset. I mean really, all I did is answer your question factually, then refer 
to myself as a gracious bugger, and ask the question, "is it okay to mention 
the Windows operating system here"? that wasn't a slam on you. It wasn't even 
directed at you personally, but was more a comment on fanaticism about 
mentioning Windows on Mac Lists. Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of having 
to pussy foot around you. Try just ignoring things that seem like personal 
attacks. 99 times out of 100 , they aren't, and its just something bugging you 
that makes them seem like they are.

  In fact, you could start by ignoring any perceived insult or personal attack 
you see in this message, because there isn't any. 

  In case you want to flame me for speaking my mind, I'll let you know that I'm 
just going to hit the delete key when I see this message again, so it'll just 
be a waste of your time.

Try to forget me and have a nice day.

- Original Message - 
From: Chris Gilland 
T

Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland

Nic,

Thanks for the help.  Really do appreciate it.  I'll have a look and see if 
I can find the app through Google.  It sounds quite down my alley.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Nicholas Parsons" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


I use Sleepy Time (can't remember if it's one word or two). It's available 
from the Mac App Store. I use it to wake me up with a playlist from iTunes, 
but it has lots of built-in sounds and playlists as well. You can also 
choose for it to wake you up with a custom message from any one of Apple's 
built-in text to speech voices. It offers the ability to schedule alarms, 
but does not have multiple alarms. It does have a snooze function. It does 
not, so far as I'm aware, let you assign it to the extras menu. This is no 
biggie for me though as I only use this when I"I'm going to sleep so I don't 
mind running the app. If I need an alarm while I'm awake I just use 
Reminders.

Cheers,
Nic

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Re: i phone users.

2013-06-29 Thread Ilkka Pirttimaa
Hello Eugenia!

I have not able to reproduce this. To understand it better, can you explain
in which phase it works differently for you? I describe my steps here:

1) Press Home to close BlindSquare
2) Double tap home to open App Switcher
3) Select "BlindSquare"
4) Double tap and hold until you hear "Editing apps"
5) Double tap
6) Press Home to close App Switcher

That will close BlindSquare.


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi again
> As far as I remember, that is right that it's not just BlindSquare that I
> couldn't stop. However, for some weird reason, and it may be an iOS  thing
> like you  say, I have never had this happen when exiting any other program.
> I have Navigon On my iPhone also, and it has never done this with the app
> switcher.  However  it wants not to stop  either. So, like you say, it is
> probably something you can't do anything about.
>
>
> Regards,
> Gigi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa 
> wrote:
>
> Yes, try that out. The thing you describe is something that app has no
> control of, so it's iOS feature/problem. I believe you can't stop any other
> app either?
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I did not know about 15 minutes that it would stop anyway.
>> However, I am having a problem using the app switcher to close the program
>> after I go in to BlindSquare. The husband turn voiceover off, and he had
>> the same problem. I had to restart the iPhone. What happens is using voice
>> over you have to double tap and hold in order to get into the edit apps to
>> take them off of the app switcher. However the app switcher refuses to go
>> into the editing feature and instead opens whatever program you Happened to
>> touch. If I restart the iPhone, it doesn't do that. This is really weird,
>> and I have never seen this happen before.
>>
>> However, now that I know about 15 minutes, maybe I'll just leave it alone
>> since I have a for S iPhone.
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is
>> just that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop
>> it. In iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while
>> anyway (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take
>> battery more than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which
>> device models it does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.
>>
>> You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you
>> want to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help
>> you how to do it with voiceover.
>> There are other options too, you can find more info from here:
>> http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there
>>> I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as
>>> features. There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee,
>>> just to name one, that I love.
>>>
>>> I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list
>>> anyway. Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird
>>> problem that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher,
>>> and press double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to
>>> open the program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close
>>> it is because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm
>>> not there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance,
>>> my house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way,
>>> is better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing
>>> that I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Gigi
>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello you all!
>>>
>>> Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the
>>> level of independence an iDevice can make possible.
>>>
>>> If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting
>>> with end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit
>>> by bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional
>>> development style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving
>>> your ideas what you would like to see in future versions.
>>>
>>> BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>>
 Hi guys
 When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed
 that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and
 that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never
 dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my
 refrigerator or a can in my cab

Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread erik burggraaf
Naw, I've been using it since the leopard days.  There was no app store back 
then.  It didn't cost anything though, I can probably send it to you off list 
if you still need it.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2013-06-29, at 11:22 AM, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:

> Do you know roughly how much it costs or if it's in the app store?
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: erik burggraaf
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?
> 
> Hi,  I just use wake up.  It's as bare as bare bones can be, but for the odd 
> time when I need my computer to wake me up it does the job.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
> ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2013-06-29, at 9:24 AM, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:
> 
>> Gigi, I totally understand that, and that's great.  I also am a huge fan of 
>> the alarm clock on the IPhone, so I'm not arguing your fact there in the 
>> least!
>> 
>> What I however was talking about was for the Mac, not for I O S.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Eugenia Firth" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?
>> 
>> 
>> Yes. These days I use the iPhone for my alarm clock whenever I don't want to 
>> mess with the one I've got. Which by the way is most of the time. My iPhone 
>> 5 I just say "Siri set the alarm for "whatever it is
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have found many alarm clocks for IOS that work quite well.  What I am now 
>>> seeking is a good alarm clock for the Mac that I can run under OSX.  I 
>>> don't really need anything fancy at all.  I don't need to be able to set 
>>> multiple alarms, although that would be nice to have as a bonus.  I don't 
>>> need a snooze function, nor any ability to play a particular file from my 
>>> ITunes library.  I just need something with a few built in sounds I can 
>>> choose between.  I don't need to necessarily set recurring alarms.  I 
>>> already have a count down timer, so please don't steer me down that path. 
>>> What I need specifically is just a very very most low end bottom of the 
>>> line alarm clock.  Just something real down and dirty that will get the job 
>>> done.  No, Terminal users... I'm not gonna do this as a cron job in my 
>>> crontab.  I'm sorry but that's a pain in my butt, and though I know how to 
>>> do it, really... for something this easy... why?  I just want to set the 
>>> sound, set when I want it to go off, toggle the alarm from the off setting 
>>> to the on setting, have the clock go in my menu extras so it's out of the 
>>> way and not running in my command tab order, and just be done with it.
>>> 
>>> Does such an app exist that would be Voiceover friendly, obviously?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
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Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland
Actually are you referring to Wake Up Time Alarm Clock?  I found it in the app 
store if so, and it is perfect from what I can tell.

It kind of confused me a little at first as everything was dimmed out.  I 
didn't realize there was an option in the clock menu of the menu bar that says 
flip drawer.  You hit that, or just do command+D, either way, and then things 
undim and you can set them.

Dono if that is the app you're referring to, but it works great if so.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: erik burggraaf 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 2:07 PM
  Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


  Naw, I've been using it since the leopard days.  There was no app store back 
then.  It didn't cost anything though, I can probably send it to you off list 
if you still need it.


  Best,


  Erik Burggraaf
  Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
  Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
  or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com


  On 2013-06-29, at 11:22 AM, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:


Do you know roughly how much it costs or if it's in the app store?

Chris.

  - Original Message -
  From: erik burggraaf
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


  Hi,  I just use wake up.  It's as bare as bare bones can be, but for the 
odd time when I need my computer to wake me up it does the job.


  Best,


  Erik Burggraaf
  Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through 
the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
  Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
  or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com


  On 2013-06-29, at 9:24 AM, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:


Gigi, I totally understand that, and that's great.  I also am a huge 
fan of the alarm clock on the IPhone, so I'm not arguing your fact there in the 
least!

What I however was talking about was for the Mac, not for I O S.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Eugenia Firth" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


Yes. These days I use the iPhone for my alarm clock whenever I don't 
want to mess with the one I've got. Which by the way is most of the time. My 
iPhone 5 I just say "Siri set the alarm for "whatever it is
Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chris Gilland  
wrote:


  I have found many alarm clocks for IOS that work quite well.  What I 
am now seeking is a good alarm clock for the Mac that I can run under OSX.  I 
don't really need anything fancy at all.  I don't need to be able to set 
multiple alarms, although that would be nice to have as a bonus.  I don't need 
a snooze function, nor any ability to play a particular file from my ITunes 
library.  I just need something with a few built in sounds I can choose 
between.  I don't need to necessarily set recurring alarms.  I already have a 
count down timer, so please don't steer me down that path. What I need 
specifically is just a very very most low end bottom of the line alarm clock.  
Just something real down and dirty that will get the job done.  No, Terminal 
users... I'm not gonna do this as a cron job in my crontab.  I'm sorry but 
that's a pain in my butt, and though I know how to do it, really... for 
something this easy... why?  I just want to set the sound, set when I want it 
to go off, toggle the alarm from the off setting to the on setting, have the 
clock go in my menu extras so it's out of the way and not running in my command 
tab order, and just be done with it.

  Does such an app exist that would be Voiceover friendly, obviously?

  Chris.
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2013-06-29 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all,
Someone emailed me asking about joining this group. When he tries, he is simply 
rejected - no mod notice that he is pending, no nothing. In case the mod(s) of 
this list are out there, here is his name and email address. I have no 
connection to him at all, he just emailed me out of the blue and I said I'd 
help out as best I could. So, if you are a mod or can contact same, please be 
advised that this person is trying to join but cannot:

apoorv.kulka...@bookstalk.in Kulkarni 


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Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site

2013-06-29 Thread CJ Daniel
Hello to anyone reading this crud,

Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His subject 
lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with momentary, 
hiccup, problems with his Mac &/or OSX & its various applications.  Words like, 
"strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy, & other off-the-top descriptions 
reflect a manic personality, that seems unstable @ the very least.

And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot Camp 
or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely off-the-chart 
rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without a medical history, I 
suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris up his anti depressant 
dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the moderator on this list step in & 
say "enough!"  

I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation & filter him out of my mail 
box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his posts.  I 
must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course, anyway.  
However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states himself, that he's 
not acting professionally in this matter & he's sure got that right.  While, as 
he states in his message that he doesn't have to act that way in this 
environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.

Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this & consider action 
regarding Chris.  It's not the first time & it won't be the last.  Chris is the 
one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.

Sincerely,

CJ 
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

> Sir?  That is no? problem!
>  
> I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to block 
> every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.  Frankly, you're 
> being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But, Mister Congeniality whom 
> I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times before, may I add the 
> mods taking my side every single time, your perfect because you're god, and 
> you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize one! No one else ever! is 
> right, everyone but you is wrong!  God damn straight I took what you said 
> personally in your last reply.  Why shouldn't I when you were down right rude.
>  
> All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what you 
> said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though 
> you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a  
> despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't 
> haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God fucking 
> dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants 
> to say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even 
> think! about writing me telling me to God up!  People on this list're gonna 
> learn, in a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is non 
> CLG Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when you 
> treat me this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me saying 
> what I am is in the wrong, let me remind you of something:  This list is a 
> macintosh Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list.  There is another list 
> specifically for that,
> 
>  
> nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>  
> and I'm sure people there would be happy to help.  Second of all, what was 
> nice about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying he's tired 
> of my pussy whatever comments.  I don't remember his wording, but who the 
> hell cares!  You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you might get it, but 
> if you sit here and trample me for one honest to goodness question, don't 
> expect anything in return.  I don't mind you speaking your mind, Phil, no, 
> but just as you have the right to speak your's, so do I, and that's exactly 
> what you've forced my hand to do.  You all will learn very quickly, I can be 
> the best friend, and most patient compassionate man you'll probably know, but 
> you piss me off?  wheuhuhho boy! are you gonna know it!
>  
> Frankly, if you wanna delete my e-mails, Phil or not, go right? ahead!  
> People like you all who do that have that right certainly, but frankly, you 
> guys are not worth my time nor energy, so get off my case, as frankly, not 
> only do I not wanna hear it, but frankly, I'm neither going! to listen to it, 
> case closed!  I am done with this discussion, so don't even think! about 
> writing me on or off list about it, as if I see one e-mail from this thread, 
> it's getting deleted and not even opened.
>  
> If you wanna write me off list to express your support in my stance, go for 
> it, but I'm telling you now, you put the word n v d A in your subject, don't 
> then expect me to read the mail.  And, if you try faking me by an off the 
> wall subject, believe me though I may open the mail unknowingly, as soon as I 
> see your dis

regarding a list member

2013-06-29 Thread shane christenson
I don't normally get in on discussions like this, but, I'm not sure where 
someone gets the idea that he is needing medication. I personally have found 
him to be a wealth of information with his knowledge of the apple products 
discussed on this list.

Shane'

On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:19 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:

> Hello to anyone reading this crud,
> 
> Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His 
> subject lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with 
> momentary, hiccup, problems with his Mac &/or OSX & its various applications. 
>  Words like, "strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy, & other off-the-top 
> descriptions reflect a manic personality, that seems unstable @ the very 
> least.
> 
> And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot 
> Camp or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely 
> off-the-chart rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without a 
> medical history, I suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris up 
> his anti depressant dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the moderator 
> on this list step in & say "enough!"  
> 
> I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation & filter him out of my mail 
> box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his posts.  I 
> must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course, anyway.  
> However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states himself, that 
> he's not acting professionally in this matter & he's sure got that right.  
> While, as he states in his message that he doesn't have to act that way in 
> this environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.
> 
> Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this & consider action 
> regarding Chris.  It's not the first time & it won't be the last.  Chris is 
> the one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> CJ 
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
>> Sir?  That is no? problem!
>>  
>> I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to block 
>> every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.  Frankly, 
>> you're being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But, Mister 
>> Congeniality whom I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times 
>> before, may I add the mods taking my side every single time, your perfect 
>> because you're god, and you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize one! 
>> No one else ever! is right, everyone but you is wrong!  God damn straight I 
>> took what you said personally in your last reply.  Why shouldn't I when you 
>> were down right rude.
>>  
>> All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what you 
>> said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though 
>> you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a
>> despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't 
>> haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God fucking 
>> dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants 
>> to say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even 
>> think! about writing me telling me to God up!  People on this list're gonna 
>> learn, in a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is non 
>> CLG Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when you 
>> treat me this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me saying 
>> what I am is in the wrong, let me remind you of something:  This list is a 
>> macintosh Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list.  There is another list 
>> specifically for that,
>> 
>>  
>> nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>>  
>> and I'm sure people there would be happy to help.  Second of all, what was 
>> nice about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying he's 
>> tired of my pussy whatever comments.  I don't remember his wording, but who 
>> the hell cares!  You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you might get it, 
>> but if you sit here and trample me for one honest to goodness question, 
>> don't expect anything in return.  I don't mind you speaking your mind, Phil, 
>> no, but just as you have the right to speak your's, so do I, and that's 
>> exactly what you've forced my hand to do.  You all will learn very quickly, 
>> I can be the best friend, and most patient compassionate man you'll probably 
>> know, but you piss me off?  wheuhuhho boy! are you gonna know it!
>>  
>> Frankly, if you wanna delete my e-mails, Phil or not, go right? ahead!  
>> People like you all who do that have that right certainly, but frankly, you 
>> guys are not worth my time nor energy, so get off my case, as frankly, not 
>> only do I not wanna hear it, but frankly, I'm neither going! to listen to 
>> it, case closed!  I am done with this discussion, so don't even think! about 
>> writing me on or off list about 

Re: regarding a list member

2013-06-29 Thread CJ Daniel
Did you read his last post?  The med thing was a joke, sort of…meaning maybe 
it's not a bad idea. 


Anyway, maybe our standards are very different,

CJ


On Jun 29, 2013, at 4:02 PM, shane christenson  wrote:

> I don't normally get in on discussions like this, but, I'm not sure where 
> someone gets the idea that he is needing medication. I personally have found 
> him to be a wealth of information with his knowledge of the apple products 
> discussed on this list.
> 
> Shane'
> 
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:19 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:
> 
>> Hello to anyone reading this crud,
>> 
>> Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His 
>> subject lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with 
>> momentary, hiccup, problems with his Mac &/or OSX & its various 
>> applications.  Words like, "strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy, & 
>> other off-the-top descriptions reflect a manic personality, that seems 
>> unstable @ the very least.
>> 
>> And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot 
>> Camp or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely 
>> off-the-chart rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without a 
>> medical history, I suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris 
>> up his anti depressant dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the 
>> moderator on this list step in & say "enough!"  
>> 
>> I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation & filter him out of my mail 
>> box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his posts.  I 
>> must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course, anyway.  
>> However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states himself, that 
>> he's not acting professionally in this matter & he's sure got that right.  
>> While, as he states in his message that he doesn't have to act that way in 
>> this environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.
>> 
>> Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this & consider action 
>> regarding Chris.  It's not the first time & it won't be the last.  Chris is 
>> the one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> CJ 
>> On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sir?  That is no? problem!
>>>  
>>> I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to block 
>>> every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.  Frankly, 
>>> you're being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But, Mister 
>>> Congeniality whom I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times 
>>> before, may I add the mods taking my side every single time, your perfect 
>>> because you're god, and you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize 
>>> one! No one else ever! is right, everyone but you is wrong!  God damn 
>>> straight I took what you said personally in your last reply.  Why shouldn't 
>>> I when you were down right rude.
>>>  
>>> All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what you 
>>> said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though 
>>> you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a
>>> despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't 
>>> haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God fucking 
>>> dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants 
>>> to say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even 
>>> think! about writing me telling me to God up!  People on this list're gonna 
>>> learn, in a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is 
>>> non CLG Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when 
>>> you treat me this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me 
>>> saying what I am is in the wrong, let me remind you of something:  This 
>>> list is a macintosh Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list.  There is 
>>> another list specifically for that,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> and I'm sure people there would be happy to help.  Second of all, what was 
>>> nice about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying he's 
>>> tired of my pussy whatever comments.  I don't remember his wording, but who 
>>> the hell cares!  You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you might get it, 
>>> but if you sit here and trample me for one honest to goodness question, 
>>> don't expect anything in return.  I don't mind you speaking your mind, 
>>> Phil, no, but just as you have the right to speak your's, so do I, and 
>>> that's exactly what you've forced my hand to do.  You all will learn very 
>>> quickly, I can be the best friend, and most patient compassionate man 
>>> you'll probably know, but you piss me off?  wheuhuhho boy! are you gonna 
>>> know it!
>>>  
>>> Frankly, if you wanna delete my e-mails, Phil or not, go right? ahead!  
>>> People like you all who do that have th

Re: regarding a list member

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland
It's ok Shane.  You don't have to defend me.

I'm going to give it a night to let things cool down before doing something 
rash that I'll later possibly regret, especially being how difficult I hear it 
now is to get on the list, but most likely, unless my decision changes 
tomorrow, I'll probably be off the list.  That last e-mail has me practically 
sobbing in uncontrolable tears.

You all don't have to worry though.  I won't help any longer.  I'm completely 
finished.  I know I've said this before, but between CJ and Phil, I'm sorry, 
that's put me over the top.  I've been patient long enough with you guys.

Oh, and by the way, before anyone asks me.  Yes, I'll finish the ProTools stuff 
on Applevis.  I made you all that promise, and I don't break promises, case 
closed.  So though I really don't feel like doing so, that, I'll finish for you 
all, but after that, I'm done!

Please do not anyone contact me for Macintosh help again unless you're prepared 
to pay my business hourly rate which is $15 an hour, or my flat rate unlimited 
monthly fee which is $25.00.

- Original Message - 
  From: shane christenson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 7:02 PM
  Subject: regarding a list member


  I don't normally get in on discussions like this, but, I'm not sure where 
someone gets the idea that he is needing medication. I personally have found 
him to be a wealth of information with his knowledge of the apple products 
discussed on this list.


  Shane'


  On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:19 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:


Hello to anyone reading this crud,


Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His 
subject lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with 
momentary, hiccup, problems with his Mac &/or OSX & its various applications.  
Words like, "strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy, & other off-the-top 
descriptions reflect a manic personality, that seems unstable @ the very least.


And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot 
Camp or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely 
off-the-chart rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without a 
medical history, I suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris up 
his anti depressant dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the moderator on 
this list step in & say "enough!"  


I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation & filter him out of my mail 
box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his posts.  I 
must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course, anyway.  
However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states himself, that he's 
not acting professionally in this matter & he's sure got that right.  While, as 
he states in his message that he doesn't have to act that way in this 
environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.


Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this & consider 
action regarding Chris.  It's not the first time & it won't be the last.  Chris 
is the one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.


Sincerely,


CJ 

On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland  wrote:


  Sir?  That is no? problem!

  I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to 
block every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.  Frankly, 
you're being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But, Mister Congeniality 
whom I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times before, may I add 
the mods taking my side every single time, your perfect because you're god, and 
you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize one! No one else ever! is 
right, everyone but you is wrong!  God damn straight I took what you said 
personally in your last reply.  Why shouldn't I when you were down right rude.

  All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what 
you said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though 
you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a 
  despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't 
haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God fucking 
dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants to 
say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even think! 
about writing me telling me to God up!  People on this list're gonna learn, in 
a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is non CLG 
Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when you treat me 
this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me saying what I am 
is in the wrong, let me remind you of something:  This list is a macintosh 
Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list.  There is another list specifically for 
that,


  nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com

  and I'm sure people there would be

dropbox

2013-06-29 Thread jean parker
Hello:
Ok I have the document referred to but the instructions are quite old.  It says 
to go in the context menu and select view package contents.  When I do vo shift 
m for the context menu but there is nothing there about viewing contents.  I 
opened dropbox directly but it went director to the installer so I closed it as 
the document said the accessible installer file was located somewhere else 
within the program.
Other suggestions?  
Jean
 

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Installing 1Password on a Mac Book Pro

2013-06-29 Thread Paul Hunt
Hello everyone. I'm trying to install 1Password on my MacBook Pro. When I
run the application I get an error message telling me that the 1Password
agent failed to start because /users/login/library/launchagents is not
writeable. First of all, I can't see that folder in Finder. When I go into
Terminal Mode and attempt to chmod 666 to give read write to the folder the
system doesn't let me do this. I've already verified and repaired
permissions. No luck. If any of you have solved this problem, I would
appreciate your help.

 

Thanks so much.

 

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Does Anyone Know How To Get Voiceover To Read Continuously Without Pauses

2013-06-29 Thread BBS
Hi all. Subject says it all. I want to know if there's a way to make Voiceover 
to read all continuously without pauses like Windows screen readers do. What I 
mean is, in some threads by people, Voiceover would read a line, then pause, 
then read the next line and that is annoying sometimes.

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Re: Does Anyone Know How To Get Voiceover To Read Continuously Without Pauses

2013-06-29 Thread shane christenson
I think it's VO A, but I could be mistaken. That's what I do, anyway. HTH.

Shane

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> Hi all. Subject says it all. I want to know if there's a way to make 
> Voiceover to read all continuously without pauses like Windows screen readers 
> do. What I mean is, in some threads by people, Voiceover would read a line, 
> then pause, then read the next line and that is annoying sometimes.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White Mac Book
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Re: Does Anyone Know How To Get Voiceover To Read Continuously Without Pauses

2013-06-29 Thread Alex Hall
VO-a will indeed read all. What the OP described, though, sounds more like 
pauses inserted by the speech synthesizer in use. In a hypothetical world in 
which every synthesizer worked on every platform, using the same synthesizer on 
the Mac as the OP does on Windows would, I imagine, yield Windows-like results. 
My point is that any pauses in speech, handling of punctuation, and so on are 
usually decided by the voice in use, not the operating system or screen reader.
On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:19 PM, shane christenson  wrote:

> I think it's VO A, but I could be mistaken. That's what I do, anyway. HTH.
> 
> Shane
> 
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:14 PM, BBS  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all. Subject says it all. I want to know if there's a way to make 
>> Voiceover to read all continuously without pauses like Windows screen 
>> readers do. What I mean is, in some threads by people, Voiceover would read 
>> a line, then pause, then read the next line and that is annoying sometimes.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White Mac Book
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my apolopies

2013-06-29 Thread Phil Halton
It seems the request for information on NVDA tutorials came from another list, 
not from this MAC oriented list. I mistakenly posted the link to the NVDA 
podcasts here in error. 

I honestly did not intend for this discussion to spiral so far out of control, 
or cause so much consternation  as it clearly has done. So much hurt and anger 
over a simple posting error - it just isn't worth it. I hope this can all go 
away with as little damage as possible.


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Re: MBraille podcast

2013-06-29 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi Chris,
I'd be interested in a podcast on this app. I'm finding the app less than 
wonderful so please convince me otherwise. I simply can't get the table lay out 
to be reliable, and generally don't get on very well with this app. The 
contracted braille is wonderful, no doubt about it. 

Please convince me I'm wrong about my negative views on this , as I want to be 
enthusiastic about it.

Lisette

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> Good morning all.
> Simple question, who would like me to do a podcast on this fantastic app? 
> Plan to do it in a few weeks.
> Comments welcome.
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Audacity help.

2013-06-29 Thread Jessica Moss
I've just started attempting to use this program this morning, but at the 
moment am having a little trouble with it.  Perfect example, have been trying 
to change the tempo of a song, but can't figure out how to change the 
incraments to make it faster/slower, so it just stays the same, and same with 
echo, so when it comes to that, it sounds really weird, so have no idea what to 
do with that.  As far as some of the options under effects like Audo duct, all 
the stuff labeled Apple this and that,, and amplify, I have no idea what those 
are, so would love to get some help getting up and running as far as what the 
effect are, aside from some of the obvious, change pitch, speed, tempo, wawa, 
etc.

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Re: Audacity help.

2013-06-29 Thread Alex Hall
Those effects are pretty much everything you could want to do with files, and 
there are plugins all over the internet to do even more. For instance, changing 
tempo is done with the speed change function. You may also want to google 
'audacity keyboard reference" to find the part of the manual that lists all the 
possible keyboard shortcuts. You will have to adjust some (often, use command 
in place of control) but they pretty much work on mac even if they are written 
for windows. Finally, don't forget that some functions can be accessed by right 
clicking tracks in the table, and other functions, like how far arrows move, 
can be configured in the app's preferences.
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> I've just started attempting to use this program this morning, but at the 
> moment am having a little trouble with it.  Perfect example, have been trying 
> to change the tempo of a song, but can't figure out how to change the 
> incraments to make it faster/slower, so it just stays the same, and same with 
> echo, so when it comes to that, it sounds really weird, so have no idea what 
> to do with that.  As far as some of the options under effects like Audo duct, 
> all the stuff labeled Apple this and that,, and amplify, I have no idea what 
> those are, so would love to get some help getting up and running as far as 
> what the effect are, aside from some of the obvious, change pitch, speed, 
> tempo, wawa, etc.
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Re: Audacity help.

2013-06-29 Thread Jessica Moss
Well, I found the change tempo function function, I just can't get the thing to 
work, there are about 3 or 4 I think, sets of numbers that you can change, and 
I don't know what to do what with, so have no idea what to do there.  I'm so 
used to the one Windows media player used to have that you could change on the 
fly, that I have no idea what to do with this, so could use some help here.
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Those effects are pretty much everything you could want to do with files, and 
> there are plugins all over the internet to do even more. For instance, 
> changing tempo is done with the speed change function. You may also want to 
> google 'audacity keyboard reference" to find the part of the manual that 
> lists all the possible keyboard shortcuts. You will have to adjust some 
> (often, use command in place of control) but they pretty much work on mac 
> even if they are written for windows. Finally, don't forget that some 
> functions can be accessed by right clicking tracks in the table, and other 
> functions, like how far arrows move, can be configured in the app's 
> preferences.
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> I've just started attempting to use this program this morning, but at the 
>> moment am having a little trouble with it.  Perfect example, have been 
>> trying to change the tempo of a song, but can't figure out how to change the 
>> incraments to make it faster/slower, so it just stays the same, and same 
>> with echo, so when it comes to that, it sounds really weird, so have no idea 
>> what to do with that.  As far as some of the options under effects like Audo 
>> duct, all the stuff labeled Apple this and that,, and amplify, I have no 
>> idea what those are, so would love to get some help getting up and running 
>> as far as what the effect are, aside from some of the obvious, change pitch, 
>> speed, tempo, wawa, etc.
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Re: Audacity help.

2013-06-29 Thread Jessica Moss
Also, when it comes to recording, I want to record my voice for example, and 
attempt to alter that, sense I was told Audacity can do that, but can't figure 
out how to do that, can I please get some help in that area?
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Those effects are pretty much everything you could want to do with files, and 
> there are plugins all over the internet to do even more. For instance, 
> changing tempo is done with the speed change function. You may also want to 
> google 'audacity keyboard reference" to find the part of the manual that 
> lists all the possible keyboard shortcuts. You will have to adjust some 
> (often, use command in place of control) but they pretty much work on mac 
> even if they are written for windows. Finally, don't forget that some 
> functions can be accessed by right clicking tracks in the table, and other 
> functions, like how far arrows move, can be configured in the app's 
> preferences.
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> I've just started attempting to use this program this morning, but at the 
>> moment am having a little trouble with it.  Perfect example, have been 
>> trying to change the tempo of a song, but can't figure out how to change the 
>> incraments to make it faster/slower, so it just stays the same, and same 
>> with echo, so when it comes to that, it sounds really weird, so have no idea 
>> what to do with that.  As far as some of the options under effects like Audo 
>> duct, all the stuff labeled Apple this and that,, and amplify, I have no 
>> idea what those are, so would love to get some help getting up and running 
>> as far as what the effect are, aside from some of the obvious, change pitch, 
>> speed, tempo, wawa, etc.
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Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Nicholas Parsons
HI Chris,
Happy to help. Sounds like you've found a solution already, But just for 
completeness it's SleepyTime (one word) in the Mac App Store. I'd paste the 
link here but it's not working for some reason.

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Re: dropbox

2013-06-29 Thread Nicholas Parsons
I'm guessing those instructions are out of date. Just install it as normal. I 
did, and it works fine.

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Re: Audacity help.

2013-06-29 Thread Alex Hall
First, open preferences (cmd-comma, as usual). I don't remember where, but in 
one of the preference areas is a setting about applying an effect to the full 
track if no audio is selected. If this is off, you can either turn it on, or 
remember to press cmd-a before applying an effect if you want to have the 
entire track change.

To record, just hit r. To stop, press space, and to pause or resume, press p. 
Once you finish that, a new track is created which you can modify as much as 
you want.

I strongly recommend just reading through the manual. It has a lot of 
references to doing things with the mouse, but most mouse actions have keyboard 
equivalents (hence that list I suggested you look up) so ignore the 
instructions on how to do things and just pay attention to how Audacity works. 
It took me a while, but I managed to learn how to manipulate audio pretty well. 
Also, there is an audacity users list you may wish to join. I don't have the 
address handy, but I found it with Google when I looked it up a while back so 
it is easy to get.
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> Also, when it comes to recording, I want to record my voice for example, and 
> attempt to alter that, sense I was told Audacity can do that, but can't 
> figure out how to do that, can I please get some help in that area?
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Those effects are pretty much everything you could want to do with files, 
>> and there are plugins all over the internet to do even more. For instance, 
>> changing tempo is done with the speed change function. You may also want to 
>> google 'audacity keyboard reference" to find the part of the manual that 
>> lists all the possible keyboard shortcuts. You will have to adjust some 
>> (often, use command in place of control) but they pretty much work on mac 
>> even if they are written for windows. Finally, don't forget that some 
>> functions can be accessed by right clicking tracks in the table, and other 
>> functions, like how far arrows move, can be configured in the app's 
>> preferences.
>> On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've just started attempting to use this program this morning, but at the 
>>> moment am having a little trouble with it.  Perfect example, have been 
>>> trying to change the tempo of a song, but can't figure out how to change 
>>> the incraments to make it faster/slower, so it just stays the same, and 
>>> same with echo, so when it comes to that, it sounds really weird, so have 
>>> no idea what to do with that.  As far as some of the options under effects 
>>> like Audo duct, all the stuff labeled Apple this and that,, and amplify, I 
>>> have no idea what those are, so would love to get some help getting up and 
>>> running as far as what the effect are, aside from some of the obvious, 
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Re: regarding a list member

2013-06-29 Thread Mauricio Almeida
I personally think that CJ is right here.
I rarely post here, but quite frankly i have seen minimally speaking
tem times the following scenario: bounders are stepped, apology comes
once in a while - sometimes ina drama novel format - and the cycle
repeats itself. anyone who looks up list archives will see the cycle.
how you interpret it is up to you, but dont deny it.

Mauricio
On 6/29/13, shane christenson  wrote:
> I don't normally get in on discussions like this, but, I'm not sure where
> someone gets the idea that he is needing medication. I personally have found
> him to be a wealth of information with his knowledge of the apple products
> discussed on this list.
>
> Shane'
>
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:19 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:
>
>> Hello to anyone reading this crud,
>>
>> Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His
>> subject lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with
>> momentary, hiccup, problems with his Mac &/or OSX & its various
>> applications.  Words like, "strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy, &
>> other off-the-top descriptions reflect a manic personality, that seems
>> unstable @ the very least.
>>
>> And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot
>> Camp or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely
>> off-the-chart rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without a
>> medical history, I suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris
>> up his anti depressant dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the
>> moderator on this list step in & say "enough!"
>>
>> I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation & filter him out of my
>> mail box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his
>> posts.  I must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course,
>> anyway.  However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states
>> himself, that he's not acting professionally in this matter & he's sure
>> got that right.  While, as he states in his message that he doesn't have
>> to act that way in this environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.
>>
>> Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this & consider
>> action regarding Chris.  It's not the first time & it won't be the last.
>> Chris is the one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> CJ
>> On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sir?  That is no? problem!
>>>
>>> I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to
>>> block every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.
>>> Frankly, you're being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But,
>>> Mister Congeniality whom I've delt with on and off various lists numerous
>>> times before, may I add the mods taking my side every single time, your
>>> perfect because you're god, and you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot
>>> oh wize one! No one else ever! is right, everyone but you is wrong!  God
>>> damn straight I took what you said personally in your last reply.  Why
>>> shouldn't I when you were down right rude.
>>>
>>> All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what
>>> you said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and
>>> though you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it
>>> proves you as a
>>> despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't
>>> haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God
>>> fucking dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this
>>> list wants to say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel,
>>> don't you even think! about writing me telling me to God up!  People on
>>> this list're gonna learn, in a professional environment, I'd not speak as
>>> I am, but this is non CLG Productions related, thus professionalism goes
>>> out the window when you treat me this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator
>>> or not, who feels me saying what I am is in the wrong, let me remind you
>>> of something:  This list is a macintosh Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA
>>> list.  There is another list specifically for that,
>>>
>>>
>>> nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>> and I'm sure people there would be happy to help.  Second of all, what
>>> was nice about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying
>>> he's tired of my pussy whatever comments.  I don't remember his wording,
>>> but who the hell cares!  You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you
>>> might get it, but if you sit here and trample me for one honest to
>>> goodness question, don't expect anything in return.  I don't mind you
>>> speaking your mind, Phil, no, but just as you have the right to speak
>>> your's, so do I, and that's exactly what you've forced my hand to do.
>>> You all will learn very quickly, I can be the best friend, and most
>>> patient compassionate man you'll probably know, but you piss me off?
>>> wheuhuhho boy! are you gonn