Re: BlindSquare V3.00 is out.

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hello!

Press release: http://blindsquare.com/press/
More info of Indoor system: http://blindsquare.com/indoor/

Best, Ilkka (developer of BlindSquare)

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi Sadam.
> Do you have the URL that was shown on the update notes in BlindSquare? I
> was going to go and look at it, but I lost the screen on my iPhone and I
> can’t figure out how to get it back so I check out iBeacons, or whatever it
> is called. I wanted to see what places are on it.
>
> Gigi
> for one thing.
>
> By the way, for those of you going to the ACB convention in Dallas, do you
> know there is an app you can download from the App Store for navigation
> within the convention hotel? They say it was done for the San Francisco
> airport, and I downloaded it for free. I can’t try it out util I go to the
> convention in July.
>
> On Jun 5, 2015, at 10:24 PM, sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Blind Square a great application for navigation on the iOS platform has
> received a significant update.
>
> The highlight in this release include supporting iBecons Apples
> implementation of indoor mapping.
>
> Here's the change log:
>
> NEW: BlindSquare now supports BlindSquare BPS (Beacon Positioning System),
> an indoor navigation system based on iBeacons. It is currently available at
> a few places only, but will hopefully become available at more venues soon.
>
> NEW: 3d sounds. If you use a stereo headset with BlindSquare, you will now
> hear the alert sound played from the direction of the POI that is being
> announced.
>
> NEW: BlindSquare now supports the TransitTimes+ public transport app
>
> NEW: If you use BlindSquare on an iPhone 6 or 6plus, you can check changes
> in elevation. Based on your device’s barometer, the GPS-Info screen shows
> your elevation compared to when you started BlindSquare. There is also a
> button letting you reset your elevation to the current reading.
>
> CHANGE: Optimized to use less memory
>
> CHANGE: Updated Open Street Map data, more intersection information
> available in some areas now.
>
> FIX: Resolved a timing issue in the Audio Menu that made it harder to
> select the intended item.
>
> note: You can control BlindSquare‘s Audio Menu from your Apple watch.
> Start BlindSquare on your phone, swipe up with two fingers to bring up your
> glances, and double-tap the Pause button. Double-Tap again to activate an
> Audio Menu item.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Sadam Ahmed
>
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Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

You can assign a shortcut key combination to switch between DOM and group 
navigation in keyboard commander in VoiceOver utility.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 23:17, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Is there a quick way to do this, or will I have to do it each time back and 
> forth within the Voiceover Utility.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Barry Hadder 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> Just switch to groups mode and it will work with voiceover.  The rest of the 
>> form works fine with dom navigation.
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you are 
>> going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting 
>> your time etc.  Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the 
>> patterns, therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for 
>> me to quote names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to.
>>  
>> Here is the situation though.  I'm obviously going to keep this fairly 
>> general, but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand 
>> where I'm coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's 
>> quite at the point of violating anything.
>>  
>> So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S.  I'm not 
>> at liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe 
>> and could really effect accessibility in one aspect.  Though it's not 
>> anything that would render the device useless, it definitely is severe 
>> enough it needs to be fixed.  Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on 
>> this, but my point is, I logged into the Apple developer web site, and 
>> proceeded to the bug reporter.  I should add that I tried this both with 
>> Capitan and with Yosemite.  Both have the same results.  Once I clicked the 
>> button for a new bug report, it popped up asking what type of bug I'm 
>> filing.  Under the "Other" heading, I chose accessibility.  This opened up a 
>> window to create a new accessibility report.  I hit vo+Right arrow, and got 
>> down to classification.  Once I hit vo+space on the item that says select 
>> classification clickable, nothing at all happened.  Absolutely nothing.  So, 
>> I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this point, I get totally 
>> stuck.  I tried routing my mouse pointer with vo+command+F5, then 
>> vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking the literal 
>> trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, absolutely 
>> nothing! is working.  I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on Yosemite, 
>> and on Capitan with the same results.
>>  
>> I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox.  Both 
>> were tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2.  Once I clicked the new 
>> button for a new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, 
>> and absolutely nothing happened.  In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh 
>> the screen, no good.  I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it 
>> was using, no good.  I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor 
>> then clicking.  No good.  In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with 
>> NVDA+numpad slash, then left clicked with num pad slash.  No good.  I even 
>> tried with Window-Eyes, routing the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then 
>> doing a left click.  Again, no good.  Nothing happened.
>>  
>> When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that 
>> the accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me 
>> off, but they didn't seem really all that concerned either.  They basically 
>> told me they'd file it with
>>  
>> apple.com/feedback 
>>  
>> When I told them that I don't know how long that would take but it probably 
>> wouldn't get solved very soon that method, most likely, the guy got a little 
>> bit defensive with me.  He told me that in his words, they don't support the 
>> Bug tracker in his department, therefore he doesn't have a way to open a 
>> ticket with the engineers to get this fixed.
>>  
>> When I told him that I just spent the very last 99 dollars I had for this 
>> program, he got snovvy and said, then you better start developing your apps 
>> so you can get paid back.  I told him I don't program, I don't write 
>> applications.  The reason I joined was to report bugs, and help them with 
>> making sure things were accessible.  I told him if I can't do that and 
>> report bugs in the first place, then what is the point therefore of me being 
>> a dev.  I told him I'd paid 99 dollars for this, and therefore feel it's my 
>> right to be able to 

Messages

[E.T.]

   While in Messages on the Mac, I noticed  one message that I had 
deleted from the iPhone. I looked in preferences but did not see a 
setting that would sync this app on both Mac and iPhone. Is there a way 
to sync the two? Thanks.


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Re: File Source Details Help

[Jim Gatteys]

Emilio!
Do you see the
More Info: expanded disclosure triangle?
I can expand that in the get info section of the file and the info including 
where the file is downloaded appears there.  It seems to be backward at least 
on my computer.  If it says expanded then it is collapsed and vice versa
Jim

 
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Emilio Hernandez  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> When accessing the “more info” feature of a particular file, I press VO-right 
> arrow and interact with the scroll area.
> I use this same keystroke feature to move through the details of a file. 
> However, I am not able to view the “source” information about the file in 
> question.
> I have not had good success with this and it is slightly frustrating.
> I want to know if others on this list have found a solution that gives the 
> source details of a file i.e. From whence it was downloaded because I want to 
> use this information in a Hazel rule.
> 
> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Re: File Source Details Help

[Barry Hadder]

Look for the “where from:” label in the more info section of the information 
window  and it should be there.
After you find the general label, move vo down the column of labels until you 
find more info.  Then expand if necessary.  Move vo down until you find where 
from and move vo right to read the value.

On Jun 10, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Emilio Hernandez  
wrote:

Hello everyone,


When accessing the “more info” feature of a particular file, I press VO-right 
arrow and interact with the scroll area.
I use this same keystroke feature to move through the details of a file. 
However, I am not able to view the “source” information about the file in 
question.
I have not had good success with this and it is slightly frustrating.
I want to know if others on this list have found a solution that gives the 
source details of a file i.e. From whence it was downloaded because I want to 
use this information in a Hazel rule.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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Re: I can't find the download link.

[Joe Quinn]

So does that mean if you're not an Apple developer you could still beta test 
iOS and OS X 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Yes, things have indeed changed. There is now only one Apple Developer 
> Program and everyone is enrolled to beta test Watch OS, iOS and OS X.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>>> On 11/06/2015, at 7:50 am, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think we can all help with this since nothing specific has been 
>>> disclosed. Unfortunately you will have to renew or subscribe to the Mac 
>>> Developer Program as well. This is still a separate payment. This is going 
>>> by when I renewed my membership the morning of Friday 1 May. Things may 
>>> have changed now, but that was the state of play then. Once you've renewed 
>>> or subscribed though, you should see the OS X 10.11 Developer Beta ready 
>>> for you to download. Good luck.
>>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 13:05, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys, I don't intend to breech NDA here, but I do need some help.  I can't 
>>> seem to find the download link to OSX Capitan.  Yes, I have paied the $99 
>>> this morning to renew my developer account which I initially created last 
>>> year.
>>> 
>>> Here's what I'm doing so far.  Hopefully you all can tell me what I'm doing 
>>> wrong.
>>> 
>>> I'm starting out by going to:
>>> 
>>> http://developer.apple.com
>>> 
>>> I'm then going to the members center and signing in with my Apple ID and 
>>> password.
>>> 
>>> Once in, I see where the link is for the SDK's and betas.  I click that 
>>> link, then I do see IOS, and I was able to successfully get IOS 9 
>>> downloaded.  That works fine.  I got it running on my IPad Air.  I can't 
>>> say more about that than that, but I did manage to get it working.  I'll 
>>> say that much.
>>> 
>>> However, I see no links for mac, or for OSX, or capitan, or anything of the 
>>> sort.  When I renewed my membership, the only program it gave me access to 
>>> said Apple Developer program.  So, it kind of makes me wonder.  It used to 
>>> be, I had to pay $99 for the I O S developer program, and another $99 for 
>>> the mac OSX program.  I really hope I don't have to still do that.  Being 
>>> it only had one program that I was able to renew, which was the Apple 
>>> Developer, and being that last year I had both the mac and I O S programs, 
>>> it looks like they've merged them both into one, with one payment.  God 
>>> that would be nice if so!
>>> 
>>> Anyway, yeah, after going to the link for the SDK and betas, I don't see 
>>> anywhere to download Capitan.  Again, I know due to NDA you all can't 
>>> really give me any specifics about the OS itself, but can you all at least! 
>>> help me with figuring out where to go to get it downloaded now that I am an 
>>> active developer?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
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More questions about installing windows on my macbook pro

[Ted Phillips]

Hi all.  I have been reading the various topics having to do with installing 
windows on a mac and am very nervous about a few things.  First of all, I read 
the article on installing Windows on an external drive and it looks pretty 
complex to me.  The method of installing Windows on the internal drive sounds 
easier, but there are problems to be faced there as well.  I only have about 40 
GB of space left on my internal drive.  Does anybody know how much space 
Windows 8 takes?  I have even entertained buying a tablet for the few tasks I 
need windows for until I learn if there is a way to perform them on a macbook.  
If anybody would be willing to e-mail me off list or Skype with me and give me 
some pointers with this I would sure appreciate it.  
Thanks all

Ted Phillips

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File Source Details Help

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello everyone,


When accessing the “more info” feature of a particular file, I press VO-right 
arrow and interact with the scroll area.
I use this same keystroke feature to move through the details of a file. 
However, I am not able to view the “source” information about the file in 
question.
I have not had good success with this and it is slightly frustrating.
I want to know if others on this list have found a solution that gives the 
source details of a file i.e. From whence it was downloaded because I want to 
use this information in a Hazel rule.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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Re: Turning notifications offf for E-Mail

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
Go into Mail Preferences, interact with the Toolbar, VO Space on General, stop 
interacting, and then, VO right until you get to I think it’s called “New 
Message Notifications” or something similar. Then, VO space on that Popup Menu 
and then, you can choose among the different options.
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 9:00 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
> I have had to do a reinstall of the OS on my Mac Mini. All is well, but I 
> can’t get notifications to be turned off for E-Mail. This is annoying because 
> any time a new post arrives, notifications has to interrupt whatever I’m 
> doing. I have turned notifications off in system preferences, but it is still 
> an issue. What am I missing?
> 
> Kristeen
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Re: Turning notifications off for E-Mail

[Kristeen Hughes]

Thank you. I missed some of the checkboxes.

Kristeen

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 9:07 PM, Marcia Yale  wrote:
> 
> You need to go into Notification Centre Preferences, interact with the table 
> of applications, and uncheck all the boxes regarding Mail.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 9:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Turning notifications offf for E-Mail
> 
> I have had to do a reinstall of the OS on my Mac Mini. All is well, but I 
> can’t get notifications to be turned off for E-Mail. This is annoying because 
> any time a new post arrives, notifications has to interrupt whatever I’m 
> doing. I have turned notifications off in system preferences, but it is still 
> an issue. What am I missing?
> 
> Kristeen
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RE: Turning notifications off for E-Mail

[Marcia Yale]

You need to go into Notification Centre Preferences, interact with the table of 
applications, and uncheck all the boxes regarding Mail.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 9:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Turning notifications offf for E-Mail

I have had to do a reinstall of the OS on my Mac Mini. All is well, but I can’t 
get notifications to be turned off for E-Mail. This is annoying because any 
time a new post arrives, notifications has to interrupt whatever I’m doing. I 
have turned notifications off in system preferences, but it is still an issue. 
What am I missing?

Kristeen

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Turning notifications offf for E-Mail

[Kristeen Hughes]

I have had to do a reinstall of the OS on my Mac Mini. All is well, but I can’t 
get notifications to be turned off for E-Mail. This is annoying because any 
time a new post arrives, notifications has to interrupt whatever I’m doing. I 
have turned notifications off in system preferences, but it is still an issue. 
What am I missing?

Kristeen

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Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament

[Barry Hadder]

First, find classification, switch to groups, vo-space on classification, then 
move vo to the list of clasifications.
interact with the list and vo-space on the clasification item that you want.
Hope that helps.

On Jun 10, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

OK, so after I clicked the new button, I switched to group mode instead of dom. 
 I can't find however where to interact to choose the classification after I 
click on accessibility.
 
Group mode makes things so cluttered, can you give me some steps as to what on 
the page to look for, and when at what point I need to toggle to group mode?  
Maybe I'm doing this slightly wrong.
 
You're welcome to help me with this off list if you fear we're break NDA going 
on list about this.
 
clgillan...@gmail.com 
 
Chris.
> - Original Message - 
> From: Barry Hadder 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament
> 
> You can set a key to toggle between them in keyboard commander.  I use right 
> option-g.
> 
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
> 
> Is there a quick way to do this, or will I have to do it each time back and 
> forth within the Voiceover Utility.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Barry Hadder 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> Just switch to groups mode and it will work with voiceover.  The rest of the 
>> form works fine with dom navigation.
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you are 
>> going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting 
>> your time etc.  Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the 
>> patterns, therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for 
>> me to quote names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to.
>>  
>> Here is the situation though.  I'm obviously going to keep this fairly 
>> general, but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand 
>> where I'm coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's 
>> quite at the point of violating anything.
>>  
>> So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S.  I'm not 
>> at liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe 
>> and could really effect accessibility in one aspect.  Though it's not 
>> anything that would render the device useless, it definitely is severe 
>> enough it needs to be fixed.  Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on 
>> this, but my point is, I logged into the Apple developer web site, and 
>> proceeded to the bug reporter.  I should add that I tried this both with 
>> Capitan and with Yosemite.  Both have the same results.  Once I clicked the 
>> button for a new bug report, it popped up asking what type of bug I'm 
>> filing.  Under the "Other" heading, I chose accessibility.  This opened up a 
>> window to create a new accessibility report.  I hit vo+Right arrow, and got 
>> down to classification.  Once I hit vo+space on the item that says select 
>> classification clickable, nothing at all happened.  Absolutely nothing.  So, 
>> I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this point, I get totally 
>> stuck.  I tried routing my mouse pointer with vo+command+F5, then 
>> vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking the literal 
>> trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, absolutely 
>> nothing! is working.  I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on Yosemite, 
>> and on Capitan with the same results.
>>  
>> I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox.  Both 
>> were tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2.  Once I clicked the new 
>> button for a new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, 
>> and absolutely nothing happened.  In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh 
>> the screen, no good.  I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it 
>> was using, no good.  I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor 
>> then clicking.  No good.  In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with 
>> NVDA+numpad slash, then left clicked with num pad slash.  No good.  I even 
>> tried with Window-Eyes, routing the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then 
>> doing a left click.  Again, no good.  Nothing happened.
>>  
>> When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that 
>> the accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me 
>> off, but they didn't seem reall

Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament

[Shaf]

Who cares about NDA? Apple won't sue you or cry over somebody leaking 
details about a beta. Jesus.


On 6/11/2015 12:24 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, so after I clicked the new button, I switched to group mode 
instead of dom.  I can't find however where to interact to choose the 
classification after I click on accessibility.
Group mode makes things so cluttered, can you give me some steps as to 
what on the page to look for, and when at what point I need to toggle 
to group mode?  Maybe I'm doing this slightly wrong.
You're welcome to help me with this off list if you fear we're break 
NDA going on list about this.

clgillan...@gmail.com 
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Barry Hadder 
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament

You can set a key to toggle between them in keyboard commander.  I
use right option-g.

On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is there a quick way to do this, or will I have to do it each time
back and forth within the Voiceover Utility.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:*Barry Hadder 
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:*Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:09 PM
*Subject:*Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament

Hi Chris,

Just switch to groups mode and it will work with voiceover.  The
rest of the form works fine with dom navigation.

On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some
of you are going to write me and scream at me for being over
dramatic, or for waisting your time etc.  Most of you on this
list who're civil have seen the patterns, therefore I don't think
it's either necessary nor appropriate for me to quote names, as
you all probably know the folks I'm referring to.
Here is the situation though.  I'm obviously going to keep this
fairly general, but I have to at least be detailed enough for you
all to understand where I'm coming from, so though this may be
borderline, I don't think it's quite at the point of violating
anything.
So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone
5S.  I'm not at liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug
which is quite severe and could really effect accessibility in
one aspect.  Though it's not anything that would render the
device useless, it definitely is severe enough it needs to be
fixed.  Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on this, but my
point is, I logged into the Apple developer web site, and
proceeded to the bug reporter.  I should add that I tried this
both with Capitan and with Yosemite.  Both have the same
results.  Once I clicked the button for a new bug report, it
popped up asking what type of bug I'm filing.  Under the "Other"
heading, I chose accessibility.  This opened up a window to
create a new accessibility report. I hit vo+Right arrow, and got
down to classification.  Once I hit vo+space on the item that
says select classification clickable, nothing at all happened. 
Absolutely nothing. So, I cannot accessibly continue the process,

as at this point, I get totally stuck.  I tried routing my mouse
pointer with vo+command+F5, then vo+shift+space, I tried hitting
spacebar, return, clicking the literal trackpad, interacting,
vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, absolutely nothing! is
working.  I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on Yosemite,
and on Capitan with the same results.
I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in
Firefox.  Both were tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2. 
Once I clicked the new button for a new report, I tried hitting

enter on the accessibility button, and absolutely nothing
happened.  In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh the screen,
no good.  I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it
was using, no good.  I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual
PC cursor then clicking. No good.  In NVDA, I routed my mouse
pointer with NVDA+numpad slash, then left clicked with num pad
slash.  No good.  I even tried with Window-Eyes, routing the
mouse with insert+num pad plus, then doing a left click.  Again,
no good.  Nothing happened.
When I called Apple developer support to let them know about
this, and that the accessibility of the bug tracker was broken,
they didn't exactly blow me off, but they didn't seem really all
that concerned either.  They basically told me they'd file it with
apple.com/

Re: organizer suggestions?

[Shaf]

I can get a copy from  somewhere and test it out for accessibility?

On 6/10/2015 11:33 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

I’m asking because I am hoping people here will have suggestions which are both 
accessible *and* less expensive!!

I gave the name of the app so people could go read about what it does and then 
hopefully make intelligent suggestions!

Sheesh-you guys amaze me at times!!
thanks for any help, etc..
Caitlyn


On Jun 10, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Shaf  wrote:

Why would she be asking about it if she didn't have a clue on the accessibility 
of the app?


On 6/10/2015 4:09 PM, george b wrote:

Well if she said it was to expensive why do you think she has it to answer your 
question???

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shaf
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 08:03
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: organizer suggestions?

How accessible is it, do you know?

On 6/10/2015 3:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

Hi,
I was recently pointed toward an app called things.  It’s for the mac, and they 
have an i phone version.  It’s a to do list and scheduler on steroids!!  I 
would love to get it, but the price is very steep-about $60.

does anybody have suggestions for a good app like this which doesn’t cost an 
arm and a leg?

thanks!
Caitlyn


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Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, so after I clicked the new button, I switched to group mode instead of dom. 
 I can't find however where to interact to choose the classification after I 
click on accessibility.

Group mode makes things so cluttered, can you give me some steps as to what on 
the page to look for, and when at what point I need to toggle to group mode?  
Maybe I'm doing this slightly wrong.

You're welcome to help me with this off list if you fear we're break NDA going 
on list about this.

clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Barry Hadder 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:33 PM
  Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament


  You can set a key to toggle between them in keyboard commander.  I use right 
option-g.


  On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


  Is there a quick way to do this, or will I have to do it each time back and 
forth within the Voiceover Utility.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Barry Hadder
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament


Hi Chris,


Just switch to groups mode and it will work with voiceover.  The rest of 
the form works fine with dom navigation.


On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you 
are going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting 
your time etc.  Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the patterns, 
therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for me to quote 
names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to.

Here is the situation though.  I'm obviously going to keep this fairly 
general, but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand 
where I'm coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's 
quite at the point of violating anything.

So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S.  I'm not 
at liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe and 
could really effect accessibility in one aspect.  Though it's not anything that 
would render the device useless, it definitely is severe enough it needs to be 
fixed.  Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on this, but my point is, I 
logged into the Apple developer web site, and proceeded to the bug reporter.  I 
should add that I tried this both with Capitan and with Yosemite.  Both have 
the same results.  Once I clicked the button for a new bug report, it popped up 
asking what type of bug I'm filing.  Under the "Other" heading, I chose 
accessibility.  This opened up a window to create a new accessibility report.  
I hit vo+Right arrow, and got down to classification.  Once I hit vo+space on 
the item that says select classification clickable, nothing at all happened.  
Absolutely nothing.  So, I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this 
point, I get totally stuck.  I tried routing my mouse pointer with 
vo+command+F5, then vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking 
the literal trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, 
absolutely nothing! is working.  I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on 
Yosemite, and on Capitan with the same results.

I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox.  Both 
were tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2.  Once I clicked the new button 
for a new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, and 
absolutely nothing happened.  In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh the 
screen, no good.  I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it was 
using, no good.  I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor then 
clicking.  No good.  In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with NVDA+numpad slash, 
then left clicked with num pad slash.  No good.  I even tried with Window-Eyes, 
routing the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then doing a left click.  Again, no 
good.  Nothing happened.

When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that 
the accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me 
off, but they didn't seem really all that concerned either.  They basically 
told me they'd file it with

apple.com/feedback

When I told them that I don't know how long that would take but it probably 
wouldn't get solved very soon that method, most likely, the guy got a little 
bit defensive with me.  He told me that in his words, they don't support the 
Bug tracker in his department, therefore he doesn't have a way to open a ticket 
with the engineers to get this fixed.

When I told him that I just spent the very last 99 dollars I had for this 
program, he got snovvy and said, then you better start developing your apps so 
you can get paid back.  I told 

Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Frankly, right now, I'm so damn angry at the way Apple developer support is 
treating me, I'm going to paste below word for word what the developer web site 
says about this, not being able to downgrade.  I'm not supposed to do this, but 
frankly at this point, I'm gonna make lots of enemies probably doing this, but 
at this point, I really don't care!  People need to know about this, especially 
in the blind community, as this is effing ridiculous, but since I know there 
are some that on this list won't probably believe me when I say this is the 
case, here's the exact paste to prove it!

Oh!  Wait...  looky? do!

http://developer.apple.com

is giving an error 4o4.

How bloody nice!  I can't even paste anything to show you all.  Well, believe 
me, when it comes back up, I will.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: John D. Lipsey 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:32 PM
  Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament


  One wonders why they would make it so you can’t DFU your device back to the 
last nonbeta release of iOS.


  I was going to renew my developer membership and test 9, but if I can’t 
downgrade to a stable release for my day to day use, and jsut beta when I have 
time for that task specifically, I don’t think I’ll reenroll this year.


  Sad day.




  DFTBA!

  John D. Lipsey

  mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

  Twitter: @J_TGL 


On Jun 10, 2015, at 16:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you 
are going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting 
your time etc.  Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the patterns, 
therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for me to quote 
names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to.

Here is the situation though.  I'm obviously going to keep this fairly 
general, but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand 
where I'm coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's 
quite at the point of violating anything.

So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S.  I'm not 
at liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe and 
could really effect accessibility in one aspect.  Though it's not anything that 
would render the device useless, it definitely is severe enough it needs to be 
fixed.  Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on this, but my point is, I 
logged into the Apple developer web site, and proceeded to the bug reporter.  I 
should add that I tried this both with Capitan and with Yosemite.  Both have 
the same results.  Once I clicked the button for a new bug report, it popped up 
asking what type of bug I'm filing.  Under the "Other" heading, I chose 
accessibility.  This opened up a window to create a new accessibility report.  
I hit vo+Right arrow, and got down to classification.  Once I hit vo+space on 
the item that says select classification clickable, nothing at all happened.  
Absolutely nothing.  So, I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this 
point, I get totally stuck.  I tried routing my mouse pointer with 
vo+command+F5, then vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking 
the literal trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, 
absolutely nothing! is working.  I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on 
Yosemite, and on Capitan with the same results.

I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox.  Both 
were tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2.  Once I clicked the new button 
for a new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, and 
absolutely nothing happened.  In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh the 
screen, no good.  I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it was 
using, no good.  I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor then 
clicking.  No good.  In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with NVDA+numpad slash, 
then left clicked with num pad slash.  No good.  I even tried with Window-Eyes, 
routing the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then doing a left click.  Again, no 
good.  Nothing happened.

When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that 
the accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me 
off, but they didn't seem really all that concerned either.  They basically 
told me they'd file it with

apple.com/feedback

When I told them that I don't know how long that would take but it probably 
wouldn't get solved very soon that method, most likely, the guy got a little 
bit defensive with me.  He told me that in his words, they don't support the 
Bug tracker in his department, therefore he doesn't have a way to open a ticket 
with the engineers to get this fixed.

When I told him that I just spent the very last 99 dollars I had for this 
program, he g

Re: claarification wanted with respect to using Messages for Facebook

[Ray Foret Jr]

Ah, thanks.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not necessarily.  Your FaceBook username is usually different than your eMail 
> address that you may use to log into FaceBook.  It often is some version of 
> your name and usually, but not always, has a number attached to it.
> 
> So, for example:
> 
> • Login to FaceBook with eMail joe.b...@gmail.com 
> • FaceBook username is Joe.Blow.8 which can be found at 
> www.facebook.com/username 
> • iMessage setup would use joe.blo...@chat.facebook.com 
> .
> 
> So, it really has nothing to do with your eMail address.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 15:41, Ray Foret Jr  > wrote:
> 
> Ah, so, when I put in my user name, I leave out the @comcast.net 
>  part?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 3:51 PM, christopher hallsworth > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray
>> 
>> Nowhere near *smile*. It's your username at chat dot facebook dot com.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 21:49, Ray Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay,
>>> 
>>> I've got the steps down for adding my Facebook account to Messages except 
>>> for one thing.  When I enter the user name part, do they want just 
>>> rforet7706 and not the e-mail server part?  In other words, should it look 
>>> like this:
>>> rforet7...@facebook.chat.com 
>>> or should it look like this:
>>> rforet7...@comcast.net @facebook.chat.com
>>> since 
>>> rforet7...@comcast.net  is the user name I 
>>> use?
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
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Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament

[Barry Hadder]

You can set a key to toggle between them in keyboard commander.  I use right 
option-g.

On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Is there a quick way to do this, or will I have to do it each time back and 
forth within the Voiceover Utility.
 
Chris.
 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Barry Hadder 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Just switch to groups mode and it will work with voiceover.  The rest of the 
> form works fine with dom navigation.
> 
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
> 
> So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you are 
> going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting 
> your time etc.  Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the patterns, 
> therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for me to quote 
> names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to.
>  
> Here is the situation though.  I'm obviously going to keep this fairly 
> general, but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand 
> where I'm coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's 
> quite at the point of violating anything.
>  
> So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S.  I'm not 
> at liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe 
> and could really effect accessibility in one aspect.  Though it's not 
> anything that would render the device useless, it definitely is severe enough 
> it needs to be fixed.  Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on this, but 
> my point is, I logged into the Apple developer web site, and proceeded to the 
> bug reporter.  I should add that I tried this both with Capitan and with 
> Yosemite.  Both have the same results.  Once I clicked the button for a new 
> bug report, it popped up asking what type of bug I'm filing.  Under the 
> "Other" heading, I chose accessibility.  This opened up a window to create a 
> new accessibility report.  I hit vo+Right arrow, and got down to 
> classification.  Once I hit vo+space on the item that says select 
> classification clickable, nothing at all happened.  Absolutely nothing.  So, 
> I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this point, I get totally 
> stuck.  I tried routing my mouse pointer with vo+command+F5, then 
> vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking the literal 
> trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, absolutely 
> nothing! is working.  I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on Yosemite, 
> and on Capitan with the same results.
>  
> I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox.  Both were 
> tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2.  Once I clicked the new button for 
> a new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, and 
> absolutely nothing happened.  In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh the 
> screen, no good.  I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it was 
> using, no good.  I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor then 
> clicking.  No good.  In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with NVDA+numpad 
> slash, then left clicked with num pad slash.  No good.  I even tried with 
> Window-Eyes, routing the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then doing a left 
> click.  Again, no good.  Nothing happened.
>  
> When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that 
> the accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me 
> off, but they didn't seem really all that concerned either.  They basically 
> told me they'd file it with
>  
> apple.com/feedback 
>  
> When I told them that I don't know how long that would take but it probably 
> wouldn't get solved very soon that method, most likely, the guy got a little 
> bit defensive with me.  He told me that in his words, they don't support the 
> Bug tracker in his department, therefore he doesn't have a way to open a 
> ticket with the engineers to get this fixed.
>  
> When I told him that I just spent the very last 99 dollars I had for this 
> program, he got snovvy and said, then you better start developing your apps 
> so you can get paid back.  I told him I don't program, I don't write 
> applications.  The reason I joined was to report bugs, and help them with 
> making sure things were accessible.  I told him if I can't do that and report 
> bugs in the first place, then what is the point therefore of me being a dev.  
> I told him I'd paid 99 dollars for this, and therefore feel it's my right to 
> be able to have this looked into quickly, or to get a refund.  He told me 
> unfortunately, he doesn't have the tools to push the feedback up to t

Re: organizer suggestions?

[Caitlyn Furness]

I’m asking because I am hoping people here will have suggestions which are both 
accessible *and* less expensive!!

I gave the name of the app so people could go read about what it does and then 
hopefully make intelligent suggestions!

Sheesh-you guys amaze me at times!!
thanks for any help, etc..
Caitlyn

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> Why would she be asking about it if she didn't have a clue on the 
> accessibility of the app?
> 
> 
> On 6/10/2015 4:09 PM, george b wrote:
>> Well if she said it was to expensive why do you think she has it to answer 
>> your question???
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shaf
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 08:03
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: organizer suggestions?
>> 
>> How accessible is it, do you know?
>> 
>> On 6/10/2015 3:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I was recently pointed toward an app called things.  It’s for the mac, and 
>>> they have an i phone version.  It’s a to do list and scheduler on 
>>> steroids!!  I would love to get it, but the price is very steep-about $60.
>>> 
>>> does anybody have suggestions for a good app like this which doesn’t cost 
>>> an arm and a leg?
>>> 
>>> thanks!
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
> 
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Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament

[John D. Lipsey]

One wonders why they would make it so you can’t DFU your device back to the 
last nonbeta release of iOS.

I was going to renew my developer membership and test 9, but if I can’t 
downgrade to a stable release for my day to day use, and jsut beta when I have 
time for that task specifically, I don’t think I’ll reenroll this year.

Sad day.


DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 16:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you are 
> going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting 
> your time etc.  Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the patterns, 
> therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for me to quote 
> names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to.
>  
> Here is the situation though.  I'm obviously going to keep this fairly 
> general, but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand 
> where I'm coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's 
> quite at the point of violating anything.
>  
> So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S.  I'm not 
> at liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe 
> and could really effect accessibility in one aspect.  Though it's not 
> anything that would render the device useless, it definitely is severe enough 
> it needs to be fixed.  Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on this, but 
> my point is, I logged into the Apple developer web site, and proceeded to the 
> bug reporter.  I should add that I tried this both with Capitan and with 
> Yosemite.  Both have the same results.  Once I clicked the button for a new 
> bug report, it popped up asking what type of bug I'm filing.  Under the 
> "Other" heading, I chose accessibility.  This opened up a window to create a 
> new accessibility report.  I hit vo+Right arrow, and got down to 
> classification.  Once I hit vo+space on the item that says select 
> classification clickable, nothing at all happened.  Absolutely nothing.  So, 
> I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this point, I get totally 
> stuck.  I tried routing my mouse pointer with vo+command+F5, then 
> vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking the literal 
> trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, absolutely 
> nothing! is working.  I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on Yosemite, 
> and on Capitan with the same results.
>  
> I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox.  Both were 
> tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2.  Once I clicked the new button for 
> a new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, and 
> absolutely nothing happened.  In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh the 
> screen, no good.  I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it was 
> using, no good.  I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor then 
> clicking.  No good.  In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with NVDA+numpad 
> slash, then left clicked with num pad slash.  No good.  I even tried with 
> Window-Eyes, routing the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then doing a left 
> click.  Again, no good.  Nothing happened.
>  
> When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that 
> the accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me 
> off, but they didn't seem really all that concerned either.  They basically 
> told me they'd file it with
>  
> apple.com/feedback 
>  
> When I told them that I don't know how long that would take but it probably 
> wouldn't get solved very soon that method, most likely, the guy got a little 
> bit defensive with me.  He told me that in his words, they don't support the 
> Bug tracker in his department, therefore he doesn't have a way to open a 
> ticket with the engineers to get this fixed.
>  
> When I told him that I just spent the very last 99 dollars I had for this 
> program, he got snovvy and said, then you better start developing your apps 
> so you can get paid back.  I told him I don't program, I don't write 
> applications.  The reason I joined was to report bugs, and help them with 
> making sure things were accessible.  I told him if I can't do that and report 
> bugs in the first place, then what is the point therefore of me being a dev.  
> I told him I'd paid 99 dollars for this, and therefore feel it's my right to 
> be able to have this looked into quickly, or to get a refund.  He told me 
> unfortunately, he doesn't have the tools to push the feedback up to the bug 
> reporter engineers.  That might be true, I don't know if it is or not, but if 
> it is, then, that's frankly, ridiculous!  Especially considerring he was a 
> senior advisor in the developer department.
>  
> When I asked him for a refund, he told me that their policy is no refunds

Re: organizer suggestions?

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
I have no idea, and for sixty bucks, am not keen to try it and find it’s not!!

Cait

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> How accessible is it, do you know?
> 
> On 6/10/2015 3:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I was recently pointed toward an app called things.  It’s for the mac, and 
>> they have an i phone version.  It’s a to do list and scheduler on steroids!! 
>>  I would love to get it, but the price is very steep-about $60.
>> 
>> does anybody have suggestions for a good app like this which doesn’t cost an 
>> arm and a leg?
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Caitlyn
>> 
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Re: claarification wanted with respect to using Messages for Facebook

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Not necessarily.  Your FaceBook username is usually different than your eMail 
address that you may use to log into FaceBook.  It often is some version of 
your name and usually, but not always, has a number attached to it.

So, for example:

• Login to FaceBook with eMail joe.b...@gmail.com 
• FaceBook username is Joe.Blow.8 which can be found at 
www.facebook.com/username 
• iMessage setup would use joe.blo...@chat.facebook.com 
.

So, it really has nothing to do with your eMail address.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2015, at 15:41, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Ah, so, when I put in my user name, I leave out the @comcast.net 
 part?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 3:51 PM, christopher hallsworth  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray
> 
> Nowhere near *smile*. It's your username at chat dot facebook dot com.
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 21:49, Ray Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Okay,
>> 
>> I've got the steps down for adding my Facebook account to Messages except 
>> for one thing.  When I enter the user name part, do they want just 
>> rforet7706 and not the e-mail server part?  In other words, should it look 
>> like this:
>> rforet7...@facebook.chat.com 
>> or should it look like this:
>> rforet7...@comcast.net@facebook.chat.com
>> since 
>> rforet7...@comcast.net is the user name I use?
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
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Re: BlindSquare V3.00 is out.

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Sadam. 
Do you have the URL that was shown on the update notes in BlindSquare? I was 
going to go and look at it, but I lost the screen on my iPhone and I can’t 
figure out how to get it back so I check out iBeacons, or whatever it is 
called. I wanted to see what places are on it. 

Gigi 
for one thing. 

By the way, for those of you going to the ACB convention in Dallas, do you know 
there is an app you can download from the App Store for navigation within the 
convention hotel? They say it was done for the San Francisco airport, and I 
downloaded it for free. I can’t try it out util I go to the convention in July. 
> On Jun 5, 2015, at 10:24 PM, sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> Blind Square a great application for navigation on the iOS platform has 
> received a significant update. 
> 
> The highlight in this release include supporting iBecons Apples 
> implementation of indoor mapping. 
> 
> Here's the change log: 
> 
> NEW: BlindSquare now supports BlindSquare BPS (Beacon Positioning System), an 
> indoor navigation system based on iBeacons. It is currently available at a 
> few places only, but will hopefully become available at more venues soon.
> 
> NEW: 3d sounds. If you use a stereo headset with BlindSquare, you will now 
> hear the alert sound played from the direction of the POI that is being 
> announced.
> 
> NEW: BlindSquare now supports the TransitTimes+ public transport app
> 
> NEW: If you use BlindSquare on an iPhone 6 or 6plus, you can check changes in 
> elevation. Based on your device’s barometer, the GPS-Info screen shows your 
> elevation compared to when you started BlindSquare. There is also a button 
> letting you reset your elevation to the current reading.
> 
> CHANGE: Optimized to use less memory
> 
> CHANGE: Updated Open Street Map data, more intersection information available 
> in some areas now.
> 
> FIX: Resolved a timing issue in the Audio Menu that made it harder to select 
> the intended item.
> 
> note: You can control BlindSquare‘s Audio Menu from your Apple watch. Start 
> BlindSquare on your phone, swipe up with two fingers to bring up your 
> glances, and double-tap the Pause button. Double-Tap again to activate an 
> Audio Menu item. 
> 
> Best wishes. 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Is there a quick way to do this, or will I have to do it each time back and 
forth within the Voiceover Utility.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Barry Hadder 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:09 PM
  Subject: Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament


  Hi Chris,


  Just switch to groups mode and it will work with voiceover.  The rest of the 
form works fine with dom navigation.


  On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


  So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you are 
going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting 
your time etc.  Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the patterns, 
therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for me to quote 
names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to.

  Here is the situation though.  I'm obviously going to keep this fairly 
general, but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand 
where I'm coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's 
quite at the point of violating anything.

  So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S.  I'm not 
at liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe and 
could really effect accessibility in one aspect.  Though it's not anything that 
would render the device useless, it definitely is severe enough it needs to be 
fixed.  Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on this, but my point is, I 
logged into the Apple developer web site, and proceeded to the bug reporter.  I 
should add that I tried this both with Capitan and with Yosemite.  Both have 
the same results.  Once I clicked the button for a new bug report, it popped up 
asking what type of bug I'm filing.  Under the "Other" heading, I chose 
accessibility.  This opened up a window to create a new accessibility report.  
I hit vo+Right arrow, and got down to classification.  Once I hit vo+space on 
the item that says select classification clickable, nothing at all happened.  
Absolutely nothing.  So, I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this 
point, I get totally stuck.  I tried routing my mouse pointer with 
vo+command+F5, then vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking 
the literal trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, 
absolutely nothing! is working.  I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on 
Yosemite, and on Capitan with the same results.

  I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox.  Both were 
tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2.  Once I clicked the new button for a 
new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, and absolutely 
nothing happened.  In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh the screen, no 
good.  I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it was using, no good. 
 I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor then clicking.  No 
good.  In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with NVDA+numpad slash, then left 
clicked with num pad slash.  No good.  I even tried with Window-Eyes, routing 
the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then doing a left click.  Again, no good.  
Nothing happened.

  When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that 
the accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me 
off, but they didn't seem really all that concerned either.  They basically 
told me they'd file it with

  apple.com/feedback

  When I told them that I don't know how long that would take but it probably 
wouldn't get solved very soon that method, most likely, the guy got a little 
bit defensive with me.  He told me that in his words, they don't support the 
Bug tracker in his department, therefore he doesn't have a way to open a ticket 
with the engineers to get this fixed.

  When I told him that I just spent the very last 99 dollars I had for this 
program, he got snovvy and said, then you better start developing your apps so 
you can get paid back.  I told him I don't program, I don't write applications. 
 The reason I joined was to report bugs, and help them with making sure things 
were accessible.  I told him if I can't do that and report bugs in the first 
place, then what is the point therefore of me being a dev.  I told him I'd paid 
99 dollars for this, and therefore feel it's my right to be able to have this 
looked into quickly, or to get a refund.  He told me unfortunately, he doesn't 
have the tools to push the feedback up to the bug reporter engineers.  That 
might be true, I don't know if it is or not, but if it is, then, that's 
frankly, ridiculous!  Especially considerring he was a senior advisor in the 
developer department.

  When I asked him for a refund, he told me that their policy is no refunds no 
matter what.  He said, plus, even if they did! refund me, they've changed the 
way they deploy I O S 9 to devices.  Te

Re: Major frustrations and a big predicament

[Barry Hadder]

Hi Chris,

Just switch to groups mode and it will work with voiceover.  The rest of the 
form works fine with dom navigation.

On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you are 
going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting 
your time etc.  Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the patterns, 
therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for me to quote 
names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to.
 
Here is the situation though.  I'm obviously going to keep this fairly general, 
but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand where I'm 
coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's quite at the 
point of violating anything.
 
So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S.  I'm not at 
liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe and 
could really effect accessibility in one aspect.  Though it's not anything that 
would render the device useless, it definitely is severe enough it needs to be 
fixed.  Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on this, but my point is, I 
logged into the Apple developer web site, and proceeded to the bug reporter.  I 
should add that I tried this both with Capitan and with Yosemite.  Both have 
the same results.  Once I clicked the button for a new bug report, it popped up 
asking what type of bug I'm filing.  Under the "Other" heading, I chose 
accessibility.  This opened up a window to create a new accessibility report.  
I hit vo+Right arrow, and got down to classification.  Once I hit vo+space on 
the item that says select classification clickable, nothing at all happened.  
Absolutely nothing.  So, I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this 
point, I get totally stuck.  I tried routing my mouse pointer with 
vo+command+F5, then vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking 
the literal trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, 
absolutely nothing! is working.  I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on 
Yosemite, and on Capitan with the same results.
 
I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox.  Both were 
tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2.  Once I clicked the new button for a 
new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, and absolutely 
nothing happened.  In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh the screen, no 
good.  I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it was using, no good. 
 I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor then clicking.  No 
good.  In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with NVDA+numpad slash, then left 
clicked with num pad slash.  No good.  I even tried with Window-Eyes, routing 
the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then doing a left click.  Again, no good.  
Nothing happened.
 
When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that the 
accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me off, 
but they didn't seem really all that concerned either.  They basically told me 
they'd file it with
 
apple.com/feedback 
 
When I told them that I don't know how long that would take but it probably 
wouldn't get solved very soon that method, most likely, the guy got a little 
bit defensive with me.  He told me that in his words, they don't support the 
Bug tracker in his department, therefore he doesn't have a way to open a ticket 
with the engineers to get this fixed.
 
When I told him that I just spent the very last 99 dollars I had for this 
program, he got snovvy and said, then you better start developing your apps so 
you can get paid back.  I told him I don't program, I don't write applications. 
 The reason I joined was to report bugs, and help them with making sure things 
were accessible.  I told him if I can't do that and report bugs in the first 
place, then what is the point therefore of me being a dev.  I told him I'd paid 
99 dollars for this, and therefore feel it's my right to be able to have this 
looked into quickly, or to get a refund.  He told me unfortunately, he doesn't 
have the tools to push the feedback up to the bug reporter engineers.  That 
might be true, I don't know if it is or not, but if it is, then, that's 
frankly, ridiculous!  Especially considerring he was a senior advisor in the 
developer department.
 
When I asked him for a refund, he told me that their policy is no refunds no 
matter what.  He said, plus, even if they did! refund me, they've changed the 
way they deploy I O S 9 to devices.  Technically, I'm not probably supposed to 
tell you all this, but I feel it's in you all's best interest to know, so you 
don't totally ruin your devices.  If you upgrade to I O S 9, it even says right 
there on the web site, you cannot downgrade back to I O S 8.  Not even 
apparently with D F U mode.  So,

Major frustrations and a big predicament

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

So, guys, I never like writing e-mails like this, and I know some of you are 
going to write me and scream at me for being over dramatic, or for waisting 
your time etc.  Most of you on this list who're civil have seen the patterns, 
therefore I don't think it's either necessary nor appropriate for me to quote 
names, as you all probably know the folks I'm referring to.

Here is the situation though.  I'm obviously going to keep this fairly general, 
but I have to at least be detailed enough for you all to understand where I'm 
coming from, so though this may be borderline, I don't think it's quite at the 
point of violating anything.

So, this morning, I installed the beta of I O S 9 on my IPhone 5S.  I'm not at 
liberty to state the specifics, but I found a bug which is quite severe and 
could really effect accessibility in one aspect.  Though it's not anything that 
would render the device useless, it definitely is severe enough it needs to be 
fixed.  Again, I'm not at a position to elaborate on this, but my point is, I 
logged into the Apple developer web site, and proceeded to the bug reporter.  I 
should add that I tried this both with Capitan and with Yosemite.  Both have 
the same results.  Once I clicked the button for a new bug report, it popped up 
asking what type of bug I'm filing.  Under the "Other" heading, I chose 
accessibility.  This opened up a window to create a new accessibility report.  
I hit vo+Right arrow, and got down to classification.  Once I hit vo+space on 
the item that says select classification clickable, nothing at all happened.  
Absolutely nothing.  So, I cannot accessibly continue the process, as at this 
point, I get totally stuck.  I tried routing my mouse pointer with 
vo+command+F5, then vo+shift+space, I tried hitting spacebar, return, clicking 
the literal trackpad, interacting, vo+shift+M, ctrl+clicking the trackpad, 
absolutely nothing! is working.  I tried with Safari, and with Chrome both on 
Yosemite, and on Capitan with the same results.

I tried on Windows with Windows 8.1 in both IE 11, and in Firefox.  Both were 
tested with JAWS 16, and with NVDA 2015.2.  Once I clicked the new button for a 
new report, I tried hitting enter on the accessibility button, and absolutely 
nothing happened.  In JAWS, I did an insert+escape to refresh the screen, no 
good.  I re-initialized Aria, just in case that was what it was using, no good. 
 I tried routing my jaws cursor to my virtual PC cursor then clicking.  No 
good.  In NVDA, I routed my mouse pointer with NVDA+numpad slash, then left 
clicked with num pad slash.  No good.  I even tried with Window-Eyes, routing 
the mouse with insert+num pad plus, then doing a left click.  Again, no good.  
Nothing happened.

When I called Apple developer support to let them know about this, and that the 
accessibility of the bug tracker was broken, they didn't exactly blow me off, 
but they didn't seem really all that concerned either.  They basically told me 
they'd file it with

apple.com/feedback

When I told them that I don't know how long that would take but it probably 
wouldn't get solved very soon that method, most likely, the guy got a little 
bit defensive with me.  He told me that in his words, they don't support the 
Bug tracker in his department, therefore he doesn't have a way to open a ticket 
with the engineers to get this fixed.

When I told him that I just spent the very last 99 dollars I had for this 
program, he got snovvy and said, then you better start developing your apps so 
you can get paid back.  I told him I don't program, I don't write applications. 
 The reason I joined was to report bugs, and help them with making sure things 
were accessible.  I told him if I can't do that and report bugs in the first 
place, then what is the point therefore of me being a dev.  I told him I'd paid 
99 dollars for this, and therefore feel it's my right to be able to have this 
looked into quickly, or to get a refund.  He told me unfortunately, he doesn't 
have the tools to push the feedback up to the bug reporter engineers.  That 
might be true, I don't know if it is or not, but if it is, then, that's 
frankly, ridiculous!  Especially considerring he was a senior advisor in the 
developer department.

When I asked him for a refund, he told me that their policy is no refunds no 
matter what.  He said, plus, even if they did! refund me, they've changed the 
way they deploy I O S 9 to devices.  Technically, I'm not probably supposed to 
tell you all this, but I feel it's in you all's best interest to know, so you 
don't totally ruin your devices.  If you upgrade to I O S 9, it even says right 
there on the web site, you cannot downgrade back to I O S 8.  Not even 
apparently with D F U mode.  So, if I did! get a refund, and they disabled my 
dev account, that would unenroll my devices, therefore renderring them forever 
permanently useless unless they were re-enrolled, which there policy is, I 
couldn't do for 12 month

Re: claarification wanted with respect to using Messages for Facebook

[Ray Foret Jr]

Ah, so, when I put in my user name, I leave out the @comcast.net part?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 3:51 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray
> 
> Nowhere near *smile*. It's your username at chat dot facebook dot com.
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 21:49, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay,
>> 
>> I've got the steps down for adding my Facebook account to Messages except 
>> for one thing.  When I enter the user name part, do they want just 
>> rforet7706 and not the e-mail server part?  In other words, should it look 
>> like this:
>> rforet7...@facebook.chat.com
>> or should it look like this:
>> rforet7...@comcast.net@facebook.chat.com
>> since 
>> rforet7...@comcast.net is the user name I use?
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
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Re: I can't find the download link.

[Jonathan Mosen]

Yes, things have indeed changed. There is now only one Apple Developer Program 
and everyone is enrolled to beta test Watch OS, iOS and OS X.
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> On 11/06/2015, at 7:50 am, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> I think we can all help with this since nothing specific has been disclosed. 
> Unfortunately you will have to renew or subscribe to the Mac Developer 
> Program as well. This is still a separate payment. This is going by when I 
> renewed my membership the morning of Friday 1 May. Things may have changed 
> now, but that was the state of play then. Once you've renewed or subscribed 
> though, you should see the OS X 10.11 Developer Beta ready for you to 
> download. Good luck.
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 13:05, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys, I don't intend to breech NDA here, but I do need some help.  I can't 
>> seem to find the download link to OSX Capitan.  Yes, I have paied the $99 
>> this morning to renew my developer account which I initially created last 
>> year.
>> 
>> Here's what I'm doing so far.  Hopefully you all can tell me what I'm doing 
>> wrong.
>> 
>> I'm starting out by going to:
>> 
>> http://developer.apple.com
>> 
>> I'm then going to the members center and signing in with my Apple ID and 
>> password.
>> 
>> Once in, I see where the link is for the SDK's and betas.  I click that 
>> link, then I do see IOS, and I was able to successfully get IOS 9 
>> downloaded.  That works fine.  I got it running on my IPad Air.  I can't say 
>> more about that than that, but I did manage to get it working.  I'll say 
>> that much.
>> 
>> However, I see no links for mac, or for OSX, or capitan, or anything of the 
>> sort.  When I renewed my membership, the only program it gave me access to 
>> said Apple Developer program.  So, it kind of makes me wonder.  It used to 
>> be, I had to pay $99 for the I O S developer program, and another $99 for 
>> the mac OSX program.  I really hope I don't have to still do that.  Being it 
>> only had one program that I was able to renew, which was the Apple 
>> Developer, and being that last year I had both the mac and I O S programs, 
>> it looks like they've merged them both into one, with one payment.  God that 
>> would be nice if so!
>> 
>> Anyway, yeah, after going to the link for the SDK and betas, I don't see 
>> anywhere to download Capitan.  Again, I know due to NDA you all can't really 
>> give me any specifics about the OS itself, but can you all at least! help me 
>> with figuring out where to go to get it downloaded now that I am an active 
>> developer?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: I can't find the download link.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Chris,

That isn't the case.

I called Apple developer support, and they helped me out.  They've merged it 
into one program now, so the one 99 dollar payment covers you for all 3, 
Safari, I O S, and OSX.


I really think however that Apple is making things way more confusing with 
how they have things now set up.  Though I like not having to spend twice as 
much money, the sacrifice is, they've revamped the developer web site, and 
trust me, in some ways, not for the better.  It works ok, but there is a 
major problem which I'll write about shortly, and no, it won't break NDA 
doing so, as I'm going to keep it very general.


To get to the OSX download, you need to  go to

http://developer.apple.com

Don't sign in though.  On this page, click on the link that says Resources.

Now, on this page, find the link that says OS 10.

From here, click on the link for 10.11 Capitan, and then finally click on 

download.

Now, you'll see a link to sign in.  Click that link, and log in with your 
Apple ID.  Then, finally, click download again.  Now the app store should 
open asking you to sign in to redeem your code.  Again, for? a? third! time! 
sign in with your ID.  Isn't this fun?  LOL!  Not?  Now, finally your code 
will be redeemed, and the download should start.  Once done, like other 
versions of OSX, it'll pop up and start the installation process.


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Re: is the mac book aso have siri?

[Matthew Dierckens]

If you are referring to the option in Mavrics that allowed you to speak to your 
mac with custom commands, you can do that through enhanced dictation.

God bless.
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On Jun 10, 2015, at 15:57, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:

on mavericks it have the tell my mac to have joke on me but now on the 
accessibility is no longer there. 
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 9:54 pm, Aleeha Dudley  > wrote:
> 
> No, it does not have Siri. It has enhanced dictation, which allows you to 
> open apps, select things, etc, but siri is not there. 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
> Email: blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com  
> Phone: 937-733-0525
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; 
> blindness is not what holds you back. 
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian 
> proverb 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera > > wrote:
>> 
>> is siri also available on mac? since i don't have iphone i would like to to 
>> my siri too on my mac sometimes since i don't have someone to talk to :)
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Re: synchronise files/folders privately

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

So if your iphone/ipad is synched/backed up to your Mac via iTunes then 
all the files are local on the Mac, not in icloud. If you could set 
iTunes to store these backups in a network drive from your NAS, would 
that not get you where you want to be?


CB

On 6/10/15 4:43 PM, William Windels wrote:

Hello all,
I would like to sync files/folders with different devices: iphone/ipad and also 
mac computers.
There are many cloud-services that can handle this but I would like to store it 
privately.
For this, and other tasks, I have a nas device from qnap.
It would be so nice If I can put files/folders on my mac, they are synchronized 
to me nas and after synching , they are offline available on my mac and 
iOS-devices…

I tought bitorent sync could handle this task but I can’t see yet how it should 
work for me.
Qsync, a plugin for the qnap nas should also handle the job but the sync 
program for the mac seems not to work correctly.

If there are any other plugins, experiences or possibilities I can look for, it 
would be great to hear of you.

Kind regards
William Windels



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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Eileen]

Hello All,

I agree with you Jonathan. An official copy of Eloquence would be just fine 
with me. I tried Ava and the responsiveness was sluggish in comparison to Alex. 
Eventually, I needed to switch back to Alex. 

Best,
Eileen


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with 
> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once you 
> go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel cranked 
> up remarkably fast.
> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the more 
> choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
> extremely subjective.
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> 
>>> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
>>> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to 
>>> profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but 
>>> doesn't cut it like Alex.
>>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that 
>>> he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
 Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  
 but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more 
 updated default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps 
 be a good choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
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Re: claarification wanted with respect to using Messages for Facebook

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi Ray

Nowhere near *smile*. It's your username at chat dot facebook dot com.


> On 10 Jun 2015, at 21:49, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Okay,
> 
> I've got the steps down for adding my Facebook account to Messages except for 
> one thing.  When I enter the user name part, do they want just 
> rforet7706 and not the e-mail server part?  In other words, should it look 
> like this:
> rforet7...@facebook.chat.com
> or should it look like this:
> rforet7...@comcast.net@facebook.chat.com
> since 
> rforet7...@comcast.net is the user name I use?
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
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claarification wanted with respect to using Messages for Facebook

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay,

I've got the steps down for adding my Facebook account to Messages except for 
one thing.  When I enter the user name part, do they want just 
rforet7706 and not the e-mail server part?  In other words, should it look like 
this:
rforet7...@facebook.chat.com
or should it look like this:
rforet7...@comcast.net@facebook.chat.com
since 
rforet7...@comcast.net is the user name I use?

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
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synchronise files/folders privately

[William Windels]

Hello all,
I would like to sync files/folders with different devices: iphone/ipad and also 
mac computers.
There are many cloud-services that can handle this but I would like to store it 
privately.
For this, and other tasks, I have a nas device from qnap.
It would be so nice If I can put files/folders on my mac, they are synchronized 
to me nas and after synching , they are offline available on my mac and 
iOS-devices…

I tought bitorent sync could handle this task but I can’t see yet how it should 
work for me.
Qsync, a plugin for the qnap nas should also handle the job but the sync 
program for the mac seems not to work correctly.

If there are any other plugins, experiences or possibilities I can look for, it 
would be great to hear of you.

Kind regards
William Windels

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Re: is the mac book aso have siri?

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

on mavericks it have the tell my mac to have joke on me but now on the 
accessibility is no longer there. 
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 9:54 pm, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> No, it does not have Siri. It has enhanced dictation, which allows you to 
> open apps, select things, etc, but siri is not there. 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
> Email: blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com  
> Phone: 937-733-0525
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; 
> blindness is not what holds you back. 
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian 
> proverb 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera > > wrote:
>> 
>> is siri also available on mac? since i don't have iphone i would like to to 
>> my siri too on my mac sometimes since i don't have someone to talk to :)
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Re: is the mac book aso have siri?

[Aleeha Dudley]

No, it does not have Siri. It has enhanced dictation, which allows you to open 
apps, select things, etc, but siri is not there. 
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> On Jun 10, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
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> 
> is siri also available on mac? since i don't have iphone i would like to to 
> my siri too on my mac sometimes since i don't have someone to talk to :)
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is the mac book aso have siri?

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

is siri also available on mac? since i don't have iphone i would like to to my 
siri too on my mac sometimes since i don't have someone to talk to :)

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Re: I can't find the download link.

[christopher hallsworth]

I think we can all help with this since nothing specific has been disclosed. 
Unfortunately you will have to renew or subscribe to the Mac Developer Program 
as well. This is still a separate payment. This is going by when I renewed my 
membership the morning of Friday 1 May. Things may have changed now, but that 
was the state of play then. Once you've renewed or subscribed though, you 
should see the OS X 10.11 Developer Beta ready for you to download. Good luck.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 13:05, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys, I don't intend to breech NDA here, but I do need some help.  I can't 
> seem to find the download link to OSX Capitan.  Yes, I have paied the $99 
> this morning to renew my developer account which I initially created last 
> year.
>  
> Here's what I'm doing so far.  Hopefully you all can tell me what I'm doing 
> wrong.
>  
> I'm starting out by going to:
>  
> http://developer.apple.com
>  
> I'm then going to the members center and signing in with my Apple ID and 
> password.
>  
> Once in, I see where the link is for the SDK's and betas.  I click that link, 
> then I do see IOS, and I was able to successfully get IOS 9 downloaded.  That 
> works fine.  I got it running on my IPad Air.  I can't say more about that 
> than that, but I did manage to get it working.  I'll say that much.
>  
> However, I see no links for mac, or for OSX, or capitan, or anything of the 
> sort.  When I renewed my membership, the only program it gave me access to 
> said Apple Developer program.  So, it kind of makes me wonder.  It used to 
> be, I had to pay $99 for the I O S developer program, and another $99 for the 
> mac OSX program.  I really hope I don't have to still do that.  Being it only 
> had one program that I was able to renew, which was the Apple Developer, and 
> being that last year I had both the mac and I O S programs, it looks like 
> they've merged them both into one, with one payment.  God that would be nice 
> if so!
>  
> Anyway, yeah, after going to the link for the SDK and betas, I don't see 
> anywhere to download Capitan.  Again, I know due to NDA you all can't really 
> give me any specifics about the OS itself, but can you all at least! help me 
> with figuring out where to go to get it downloaded now that I am an active 
> developer?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with people 
for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once you go a 
little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel cranked up 
remarkably fast.
Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex 
mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the more 
choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is 
extremely subjective.
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> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound 
> hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't 
> cut it like Alex.
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
>> takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
>>> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
>>> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
>>> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[E.T.]

   If anyone has doubts that Alex will be kept on, then sending Apple 
some feedback would be the ticket because Apple cannot read minds.


   Alex is great for a male voice. Samantha is the best for a female 
voice...almost. She eats some words so adding Siri would be a definite plus.


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On 6/10/2015 11:49 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

I hope Alex stics around for a while. Historically it did for software voices 
what dec-talk did in the 80s for hardware synths. However times were different 
and Alex has always been more responsive than I ever remember dec being:).

On Jun 10, 2015, at 2:28 PM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple to 
remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound hearing 
loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't cut it like Alex.

On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope Apple 
considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, you can 
get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Kaare Dehard]

I hope Alex stics around for a while. Historically it did for software voices 
what dec-talk did in the 80s for hardware synths. However times were different 
and Alex has always been more responsive than I ever remember dec being:).
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 2:28 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound 
> hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't 
> cut it like Alex.
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
>> takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
>>> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
>>> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
>>> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[RACHEL & DAMIEN]

i prefer alex.  daniel gives me a headache if i listen to him too long.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 19:28, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound 
> hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't 
> cut it like Alex.
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
>> takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
>>> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
>>> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
>>> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
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Re: Braille translating tables wish for VoiceOver

[E.T.]

   Are there any indications that either or both HIMS and Apple plan to 
remove the older braille tables at some point? I have not started 
learning UEB but am prepared to do so soon.


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On 6/10/2015 10:44 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Hi guys
As a proofreader who has been forced to study UEB lately, I would first like to 
say that UEB is easier to read than to write; in fact, in my no-so-humble 
opinion, it’s a real pain to write for those of us who have been using braille 
since the earth was young. I suggested this to HIMS and I would please, pretty 
please, like to suggest to Apple, that even though BANA thinks to make the rest 
of us switch to UEB that the Grade 2 tables which are now listed as U.S. 
braille by VoiceOver be kept as a choice until some of us are not on the earth 
any more.

Having said all that, it will be easier for computers to put in format in UEB. 
Usually when I’m writing along I don’t care about that, but if I did, UEB would 
be easier to input things like italics, boldface, script, etc. into your 
braille text. It should be easier, for those who care, to switch between Nemeth 
Code and UEB also since there are specific symbols for doing so.

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Re: Braille translating tables wish for VoiceOver

[Eugenia Firth]

Actually, I think the current Grade 2 table could handle italics because you 
start it (unless we are talking about UEB), two italics dots 46 to start and 
then just dots 46 to end. Doesn’t sound too hard to do. Right now if type dots 
46 VoiceOver says underline. Underlining could be done too in the Grade 2 
translator because it is started with dots 456 dash and ended with the 
termination sign, dots 3, 6. Some of the others have their ways which could be 
done also; things like boldface and italics boldface. 

Gigi 
, 
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I agree. I'd love to have italicized text show up formatted as such, and not 
> merely put in its own element.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys 
>> As a proofreader who has been forced to study UEB lately, I would first like 
>> to say that UEB is easier to read than to write; in fact, in my no-so-humble 
>> opinion, it’s a real pain to write for those of us who have been using 
>> braille since the earth was young. I suggested this to HIMS and I would 
>> please, pretty please, like to suggest to Apple, that even though BANA 
>> thinks to make the rest of us switch to UEB that the Grade 2 tables which 
>> are now listed as U.S. braille by VoiceOver be kept as a choice until some 
>> of us are not on the earth any more. 
>> 
>> Having said all that, it will be easier for computers to put in format in 
>> UEB. Usually when I’m writing along I don’t care about that, but if I did, 
>> UEB would be easier to input things like italics, boldface, script, etc. 
>> into your braille text. It should be easier, for those who care, to switch 
>> between Nemeth Code and UEB also since there are specific symbols for doing 
>> so. 
>> 
>> Gigi 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[christopher hallsworth]

Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple to 
remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound 
hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't cut 
it like Alex.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
> takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope Apple 
> considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, you can 
> get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
>> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
>> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
>> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
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Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available

[christopher hallsworth]

I trust 9to5mac as it seems a lot of Mac Daily News come from that source.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:57, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> did somebody of you reading some good leaks on www.9to5mac.com they have the 
> developer preview too but they are not afraid to publish everything :)
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 3:19 pm, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok was starting to wonder about that, considering that 9.0 isn't out yet.  
>> Can't wait to see if that is in fact, true though.
>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree.  No freaking kidding!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 1:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Um, maybe, just maybe, he isn’t a developer? Maybe, just maybe, he got it 
>>> from a twitter post. Gosh you guys. Learn to just accept news as it is.
 On Jun 9, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
 
 Didn't what you just said violate the NDA with apple? I Masan I thought 
 you weren't supposed to say _anything about the betas
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 9, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Just to let you know that Siri voices are now available to use as 
> standard voice over too. This is cool as it normalises the experience 
> between asking siri stuff and voice over. Or let’s say voice over is now 
> siri :)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
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Re: Braille translating tables wish for VoiceOver

[Devin Prater]

I agree. I'd love to have italicized text show up formatted as such, and not 
merely put in its own element.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys 
> As a proofreader who has been forced to study UEB lately, I would first like 
> to say that UEB is easier to read than to write; in fact, in my no-so-humble 
> opinion, it’s a real pain to write for those of us who have been using 
> braille since the earth was young. I suggested this to HIMS and I would 
> please, pretty please, like to suggest to Apple, that even though BANA thinks 
> to make the rest of us switch to UEB that the Grade 2 tables which are now 
> listed as U.S. braille by VoiceOver be kept as a choice until some of us are 
> not on the earth any more. 
> 
> Having said all that, it will be easier for computers to put in format in 
> UEB. Usually when I’m writing along I don’t care about that, but if I did, 
> UEB would be easier to input things like italics, boldface, script, etc. into 
> your braille text. It should be easier, for those who care, to switch between 
> Nemeth Code and UEB also since there are specific symbols for doing so. 
> 
> Gigi 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Devin Prater]

Why not just keep updating Alex?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
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> 
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Re: Messages

[David Taylor]

Yes, that happened here too. However, what I do is I use Notification Centre. 
This speaks messages when they come in, and my other trick is that when I 
interact with my conversation table, I hear the message I want to reply to and 
just type. I find that it leaves me in the table and new messages read as they 
come in in that conversation too. I only go the the HTML when I think a few 
messages have come in, but Notification Centre is a great way to keep up.

Cheers
Dave

> On 10 Jun 2015, at 6:00 pm, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi, when I go and set the apple script to speak events, it says “apple script 
> has been running for more than 10 seconds” and the options are wait and 
> disable. I clicked wait, but the dialogs just kept popping up until I clicked 
> the disable button.
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In my opinion, the Messages app is the best one for use in Yosemite.  Try 
>> going into your Messages Preferences, under the Accounts tab and confirm 
>> that all your settings and credentials are inputted properly.  You could 
>> even remove them then re-add ensuring that you input your correct info and 
>> that should clean things up.  The Messages app integrates with the Contacts 
>> app on your Mac as well as just recognizing phone numbers in order to 
>> display information to you.  So, make sure that all is good within your 
>> Contacts app data as well.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:08, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks, having an issue with finding a messenger that works correctly with 
>> OS X 10. latest. After mavericks it got tricky. 
>> I have tried messages, but for some reason my online contacts as well as my 
>> display name are not working. It shows a display name for another and 
>> removed user. Adium seems to not want to connect at all giving an 
>> unspecified error. 
>> 
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Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

did somebody of you reading some good leaks on www.9to5mac.com 
 they have the developer preview too but they are not 
afraid to publish everything :)
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 3:19 pm, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Ok was starting to wonder about that, considering that 9.0 isn't out yet.  
> Can't wait to see if that is in fact, true though.
> On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
>> I agree.  No freaking kidding!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 1:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available
>> 
>> 
>> Um, maybe, just maybe, he isn’t a developer? Maybe, just maybe, he got it 
>> from a twitter post. Gosh you guys. Learn to just accept news as it is.
>>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Didn't what you just said violate the NDA with apple? I Masan I thought you 
>>> weren't supposed to say _anything about the betas
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 Just to let you know that Siri voices are now available to use as standard 
 voice over too. This is cool as it normalises the experience between 
 asking siri stuff and voice over. Or let’s say voice over is now siri :)
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope Apple 
considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, you can 
get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
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Braille translating tables wish for VoiceOver

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys 
As a proofreader who has been forced to study UEB lately, I would first like to 
say that UEB is easier to read than to write; in fact, in my no-so-humble 
opinion, it’s a real pain to write for those of us who have been using braille 
since the earth was young. I suggested this to HIMS and I would please, pretty 
please, like to suggest to Apple, that even though BANA thinks to make the rest 
of us switch to UEB that the Grade 2 tables which are now listed as U.S. 
braille by VoiceOver be kept as a choice until some of us are not on the earth 
any more. 

Having said all that, it will be easier for computers to put in format in UEB. 
Usually when I’m writing along I don’t care about that, but if I did, UEB would 
be easier to input things like italics, boldface, script, etc. into your 
braille text. It should be easier, for those who care, to switch between Nemeth 
Code and UEB also since there are specific symbols for doing so. 

Gigi 

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Re: Using the messages app

[Brett C.]

This can be a mystery. I've found two options that help, but no guarantee. The 
first is the o'l sign in and out of Messages on all devices, maybe even restart 
. The second is to have each device sending with the same caller ID. I've found 
that if one device is sending with my phone number, and another is sending with 
my email as the ID, messages may not sync as well. 

Brett

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Jamie Pauls  wrote:
> 
> That was a great tip. Thanks. Now,can you tell me why the Messages app 
> sometimes just decides not to synchronize messages with my iPhone? Or, more 
> importantly, how can I easily get things sorted out again?
> 
> Take care and have a great day.
> Jamie Pauls
> jamiepa...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Brett C. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Open your messages application and open the preferences with a command 
>> comma. Select the general tab in the toolbar. Near the end of the selections 
>> you'll find AppleScript handler: popup button, select Speak 
>> Events.applescript. This should provide what you're looking for. You may not 
>> hear "buddy is typing" unless you're focused in the message area.
>> HTH
>> 
>> 
>> Brett
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 6:53 AM, Devin Prater >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. Does anyone know how I can get Messages for mac to speak incoming 
>>> messages and typing notifications like what happens in iOS?
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Re: Interesting messenger related issues

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi to Tim and all. To sumerize, did the data check on messages, all was well it 
was a bad contact card that got me.

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time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Ray Foret Jr]

Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
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Re: Messages

[Devin Prater]

Hi, when I go and set the apple script to speak events, it says “apple script 
has been running for more than 10 seconds” and the options are wait and 
disable. I clicked wait, but the dialogs just kept popping up until I clicked 
the disable button.
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In my opinion, the Messages app is the best one for use in Yosemite.  Try 
> going into your Messages Preferences, under the Accounts tab and confirm that 
> all your settings and credentials are inputted properly.  You could even 
> remove them then re-add ensuring that you input your correct info and that 
> should clean things up.  The Messages app integrates with the Contacts app on 
> your Mac as well as just recognizing phone numbers in order to display 
> information to you.  So, make sure that all is good within your Contacts app 
> data as well.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:08, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, having an issue with finding a messenger that works correctly with 
> OS X 10. latest. After mavericks it got tricky. 
> I have tried messages, but for some reason my online contacts as well as my 
> display name are not working. It shows a display name for another and removed 
> user. Adium seems to not want to connect at all giving an unspecified error. 
> 
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Re: Interesting messenger related issues

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

In my opinion, the Messages app is the best one for use in Yosemite.  Try going 
into your Messages Preferences, under the Accounts tab and confirm that all 
your settings and credentials are inputted properly.  You could even remove 
them then re-add ensuring that you input your correct info and that should 
clean things up.  The Messages app integrates with the Contacts app on your Mac 
as well as just recognizing phone numbers in order to display information to 
you.  So, make sure that all is good within your Contacts app data as well.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:08, Kaare Dehard  wrote:

Hi folks, having an issue with finding a messenger that works correctly with OS 
X 10. latest. After mavericks it got tricky. 
I have tried messages, but for some reason my online contacts as well as my 
display name are not working. It shows a display name for another and removed 
user. Adium seems to not want to connect at all giving an unspecified error. 

Question: Is there something I forgot to change somewhere that isn’t obvious, 
and are there other multi-purpose messengers that may fit better?

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Re: Using the messages app

[Jamie Pauls]

That was a great tip. Thanks. Now,can you tell me why the Messages app 
sometimes just decides not to synchronize messages with my iPhone? Or, more 
importantly, how can I easily get things sorted out again?

Take care and have a great day.
Jamie Pauls
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> On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Brett C.  wrote:
> 
> Open your messages application and open the preferences with a command comma. 
> Select the general tab in the toolbar. Near the end of the selections you'll 
> find AppleScript handler: popup button, select Speak Events.applescript. This 
> should provide what you're looking for. You may not hear "buddy is typing" 
> unless you're focused in the message area.
> HTH
> 
> 
> Brett
> 
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>> Hi all. Does anyone know how I can get Messages for mac to speak incoming 
>> messages and typing notifications like what happens in iOS?
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Interesting messenger related issues

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi folks, having an issue with finding a messenger that works correctly with OS 
X 10. latest. After mavericks it got tricky. 
I have tried messages, but for some reason my online contacts as well as my 
display name are not working. It shows a display name for another and removed 
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Re: organizer suggestions?

[Marshall Scott]

Hi,
The Mac version has major accessibility problems.  The iPhone version seems to 
work OK and is accessible.
Marshall

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I was recently pointed toward an app called things.  It’s for the mac, and 
> they have an i phone version.  It’s a to do list and scheduler on steroids!!  
> I would love to get it, but the price is very steep-about $60.
> 
> does anybody have suggestions for a good app like this which doesn’t cost an 
> arm and a leg?
> 
> thanks!
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Re: Using the messages app

[Brett C.]

Open your messages application and open the preferences with a command comma. 
Select the general tab in the toolbar. Near the end of the selections you'll 
find AppleScript handler: popup button, select Speak Events.applescript. This 
should provide what you're looking for. You may not hear "buddy is typing" 
unless you're focused in the message area.
HTH


Brett

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Re: Google groups.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You could link your Bell south address to the existing gMail account, then it's 
a reasonably simple process of telling the MacVisionaries Group settings to 
send mail to the Bell South address instead.  When multiple eMails are linked 
to the same gMail account, this process becomes relatively painless.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2015, at 08:17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I didn't see a reply to this and I've never actually changed my email address 
so I don't know if there is a way. With your login being tied to your email 
address it seems like it would be difficult to just change your address. I know 
a number of folks have subscribed with their new address and then asked me to 
unsubscribe their old address. That might be the easiest way.

CB

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> 
> When going the extra mile, you'll never run into a traffic jam.
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Stacey Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>>  Hi,
>> Can someone tell me how to go on google groups and change everything from my 
>> google address to my bellsouth address?
>> Thanks,
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
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Re: voice over and icons?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It sounds like whoever coded the app for managing the storage device used 
custom elements without any accessibility API considerations.  I've encountered 
this before and the only way I've been able to deal with it is to turn on 
mouse-keys and count the horizontal and vertical places I need to go then use 
mouse keys to click the mouse.  It's a pain in the behind, but it's what I had 
to do for their lack of consideration.  I've done it both with sighted 
assistance or on my own, depending on the patience at the time and the severity 
of just clicking the mouse wherever.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2015, at 03:38, Kliph  wrote:

Yes, it appears that option is selected, but voiceover still doesn’t read it to 
me, or let me know that it is there.
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 2:50 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Is navigate images set to always in Settings > General > Accessibility > 
> VoiceOver?
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 04:48, Kliph  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there anyway to get voiceover to read icons on a web page?  I manage my 
>> NAS from the web, and there are options that are only icons, so I need to 
>> know where they are so I can use them.  Thanks.
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Re: organizer suggestions?

[Shaf]

Why would she be asking about it if she didn't have a clue on the 
accessibility of the app?



On 6/10/2015 4:09 PM, george b wrote:

Well if she said it was to expensive why do you think she has it to answer your 
question???

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Subject: Re: organizer suggestions?

How accessible is it, do you know?

On 6/10/2015 3:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

Hi,
I was recently pointed toward an app called things.  It’s for the mac, and they 
have an i phone version.  It’s a to do list and scheduler on steroids!!  I 
would love to get it, but the price is very steep-about $60.

does anybody have suggestions for a good app like this which doesn’t cost an 
arm and a leg?

thanks!
Caitlyn



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RE: organizer suggestions?

[george b]

Well if she said it was to expensive why do you think she has it to answer your 
question???

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How accessible is it, do you know?

On 6/10/2015 3:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
> Hi,
> I was recently pointed toward an app called things.  It’s for the mac, and 
> they have an i phone version.  It’s a to do list and scheduler on steroids!!  
> I would love to get it, but the price is very steep-about $60.
>
> does anybody have suggestions for a good app like this which doesn’t cost an 
> arm and a leg?
>
> thanks!
> Caitlyn
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Re: organizer suggestions?

[Shaf]

How accessible is it, do you know?

On 6/10/2015 3:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

Hi,
I was recently pointed toward an app called things.  It’s for the mac, and they 
have an i phone version.  It’s a to do list and scheduler on steroids!!  I 
would love to get it, but the price is very steep-about $60.

does anybody have suggestions for a good app like this which doesn’t cost an 
arm and a leg?

thanks!
Caitlyn



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organizer suggestions?

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
I was recently pointed toward an app called things.  It’s for the mac, and they 
have an i phone version.  It’s a to do list and scheduler on steroids!!  I 
would love to get it, but the price is very steep-about $60.

does anybody have suggestions for a good app like this which doesn’t cost an 
arm and a leg?

thanks!
Caitlyn

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Re: Malware

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

As a followup on this, my parents came for a visit this past weekend so 
I had them do the adawaremedic thing and it cleaned up a bunch of goo. 
My Dad said his machine is now running much faster and Safari doesn't 
redirect to weird random adware sites anymore.


CB

On 5/16/15 11:41 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

Hi,
Go to thesafemac.com.

they have an app called adwaremedic.  It scans for adware and other stuff like 
that.  It’s free and works great on my end.  I use it in conjunction with clams.

hth,
Caitlyn


On May 16, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:

Hi,

I just used an antivirus scanner on a mac for the first time. ClamXav. No 
virus. This is a antivirus scanner as you know. My question is: is there a good 
malware/spyware scanner compatible with voice over you know of?

Take care

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Re: Google groups.

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I didn't see a reply to this and I've never actually changed my email 
address so I don't know if there is a way. With your login being tied to 
your email address it seems like it would be difficult to just change 
your address. I know a number of folks have subscribed with their new 
address and then asked me to unsubscribe their old address. That might 
be the easiest way.


CB

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address. Possibly the moderators can help you.


Sent using my iPhone 6 Plus

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On May 22, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Stacey Robinson > wrote:



Hi,
Can someone tell me how to go on google groups and change everything 
from my google address to my bellsouth address?

Thanks,
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

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A fun little Apple Watch discovery

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

So yesterday I was dictating an email on my phone in Spanish.  I had there fore 
switched the keyboard from English to Spanish, and I accidentally forgot to 
switch it back to English when I was done.  this morning my husband sent me a 
text, and when I went to reply from my watch, lo and behold, all the 
auto-responses were in Spanish!  How cool is that?  Of course, dictating my 
answer in English also didn't work at all.  Lol  Now, though I have another 
wish for the watch - to be able to switch languages. :)  I had to go upstairs 
and do it from my phone.  Nonetheless, it was a fun discovery.
Cheers,
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People you Know on facebook

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi all!
When I am looking at my facebook stuff on my iPhone there is a block of text 
that says "people you may know" and I cannot seem to get it to activate.  
Anybody had any experience?  I tried double tapping it, and two finger double 
tapping and no results.  Is it just text that we can't use or is it some 
weirdness on my phone?
Thanks,
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Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available

[Jessica Moss]

Ok was starting to wonder about that, considering that 9.0 isn't out yet.  
Can't wait to see if that is in fact, true though.
On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> I agree.  No freaking kidding!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available
> 
> 
> Um, maybe, just maybe, he isn’t a developer? Maybe, just maybe, he got it 
> from a twitter post. Gosh you guys. Learn to just accept news as it is.
>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Didn't what you just said violate the NDA with apple? I Masan I thought you 
>> weren't supposed to say _anything about the betas
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Just to let you know that Siri voices are now available to use as standard 
>>> voice over too. This is cool as it normalises the experience between asking 
>>> siri stuff and voice over. Or let’s say voice over is now siri :)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
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Using the messages app

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. Does anyone know how I can get Messages for mac to speak incoming 
messages and typing notifications like what happens in iOS?

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I can't find the download link.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys, I don't intend to breech NDA here, but I do need some help.  I can't seem 
to find the download link to OSX Capitan.  Yes, I have paied the $99 this 
morning to renew my developer account which I initially created last year.

Here's what I'm doing so far.  Hopefully you all can tell me what I'm doing 
wrong.

I'm starting out by going to:

http://developer.apple.com

I'm then going to the members center and signing in with my Apple ID and 
password.

Once in, I see where the link is for the SDK's and betas.  I click that link, 
then I do see IOS, and I was able to successfully get IOS 9 downloaded.  That 
works fine.  I got it running on my IPad Air.  I can't say more about that than 
that, but I did manage to get it working.  I'll say that much.

However, I see no links for mac, or for OSX, or capitan, or anything of the 
sort.  When I renewed my membership, the only program it gave me access to said 
Apple Developer program.  So, it kind of makes me wonder.  It used to be, I had 
to pay $99 for the I O S developer program, and another $99 for the mac OSX 
program.  I really hope I don't have to still do that.  Being it only had one 
program that I was able to renew, which was the Apple Developer, and being that 
last year I had both the mac and I O S programs, it looks like they've merged 
them both into one, with one payment.  God that would be nice if so!

Anyway, yeah, after going to the link for the SDK and betas, I don't see 
anywhere to download Capitan.  Again, I know due to NDA you all can't really 
give me any specifics about the OS itself, but can you all at least! help me 
with figuring out where to go to get it downloaded now that I am an active 
developer?

Thanks.

Chris.

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Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I can't wait for that!  Now, you give me Facetime on Android, we'll talk! 
Yeah, I know, I know, you're dreaming! Chris!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available


No wonder the Apple Music app is coming to Android then *smile*. Sorry could 
not resist. I should imagine the app will be written with the open sourced 
Swift 2.0.

On 10 Jun 2015, at 01:44, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

In that spirit, I would like to remind you, if by chance you have 
forgotten or else did not know, that Swift II is going to be open source. 
To me, that answers your concern.  I must admit, I was quite shocked when 
I heard that Swift II is to be open sourced.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


On Jun 9, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Shaf  wrote:

Or better yet, accept the right to the free flow of information.

On 6/9/2015 11:58 PM, BBS wrote:
Hi Yuma. That's awesome that we can use the Siri voices in iOS 9. I hope 
some time in El Capitan they let us use those voices on there too. And 
guys, sorry but I'm gonna have to take Yuma's side with this one too. A 
friend of mine posted the news on Twitter last night so I heard it long 
before Yuma posted this information. So if you want to blame something, 
blame the people that posted it on Twitter.


Shawn
Sent From My White Macbook
- Original Message - From: "Yuma Decaux" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:42 AM
Subject: IOS 9 siri voices now available


Hi All,

Just to let you know that Siri voices are now available to use as 
standard voice over too. This is cool as it normalises the experience 
between asking siri stuff and voice over. Or let’s say voice over is now 
siri :)


Cheers,





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Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Just because they don't react to it doesn't mean that they don't care.  Do 
you really think out of all the millions of Apple Customers, they can 
realistically bust every single person who violates NDA?  No.  They can't, 
but just cause they can't, nor don't doesn't mean they don't care.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Shaf" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available


Apple don't care if you disclose information on their software betas.
Nobody's bothered over it.

On 6/9/2015 5:48 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:
Didn't what you just said violate the NDA with apple? I Masan I thought 
you weren't supposed to say _anything about the betas


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 9, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:

Hi All,

Just to let you know that Siri voices are now available to use as 
standard voice over too. This is cool as it normalises the experience 
between asking siri stuff and voice over. Or let’s say voice over is now 
siri :)


Cheers,



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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hmm, can I run it on my IBook?

LOL!  Just kidding!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Apple said you can even run El Capitan on a 2007 MBP now you are talking
old! Lol!

On 09/06/2015 15:14, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

I doubt you will have any issues. I have it running on a 2010 MBP, and 
have seen others running it with no major issues on as far back as 2009 
Macbook pros.


hth

On Jun 9, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hey guys.
I am trying to decide if I should go any higher than Yosemite with my 
current computer. Someone recommended that I think about staying in 
Yosemite because I have a early 2011 MacBook Pro. I have 8 gigabytes of 
memory because I upgraded it. What do you guys think? I suppose I could 
go to El Capitan (I might have trouble spelling that one, too) and then 
hastily down grade it with my Time Machine if I had problems. I don’t 
remember if they talked about what systems could run it or not.


Did you guys notice that Maps is getting the transit app? Does anybody 
know what cities is going to be on it? I think they flashed them up there 
or something.


Gigi

On Jun 9, 2015, at 4:08 AM, sadam ahmed  
wrote:


Half way through the WWDC stream.

It sounds like some nice features are coming to iOS 9. ( I might revive 
my developer account so that I can grab the beta).


Siri becoming more contextually aware will be a huge plus.

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 4:50 pm, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


If they ran Yosemite and iOS 8, then that's your answer.
On 9 Jun 2015, at 00:01, Krysti .Power  
wrote:


Will it work on a  early 2011 Mac and iPad mini first gen

On Jun 8, 2015 7:58 PM, "Ricardo Walker"  wrote:
Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth
On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  
wrote:


Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part 
of the public beta program?


Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia.


Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:


I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But 
getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on 
this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will 
be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but 
what about El Capitan?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:

The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan 
will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.


On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:


Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan 
beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main 
concern is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? 
From what I heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an 
advanced graphics engine or something like that. So is this the end 
of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 wrote:


ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:

Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.

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Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Brian,

I guess I can tell you that yes, they are available.  The only reason though 
I'm saying this is because the initial poster broke NDA by announcing this, 
so at this point, we can't take back what they already leaked.  Going 
forward though, unfortunately, I can't really say more than that.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Howerton" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available


Is this beginning in IOS 9?
Brian
On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


That's kind a what I thought too, but oh well.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Joe Quinn" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available


Didn't what you just said violate the NDA with apple? I Masan I thought 
you weren't supposed to say _anything about the betas


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 9, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:

Hi All,

Just to let you know that Siri voices are now available to use as 
standard voice over too. This is cool as it normalises the experience 
between asking siri stuff and voice over. Or let’s say voice over is now 
siri :)


Cheers,



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Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Ah, Android.  Let’s not forget that Apple are now offering a migration tool 
that helps you move from Android to iOS, in the form of an app on both 
platforms, all the while offering Apple Music for Android.  Seems like a fairly 
complete transition with all the important data, including text messages.

Not sure if I can deal with the intellectual dishonesty implied by a platform 
vendor using the openness of another platform to migrate data while claiming 
superior security which would make the opposite transition quite a bit harder, 
but oh well, I really shouldn’t expect anything less from The Great Fruity One 
in the sky.  A bit of Googling says the opposite is in fact possible, albeit 
that it requires more work without one of the vendor-specific apps.  And to be 
fair to Apple, Android switchers are increasing in numbers (chiefly as a result 
of the screen size) so I’ll give Apple a hand for the superior product.

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Re: Resizing a partition in mac os 10.10

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

go to the disk utility > partition, then select the partition you want to 
delete Z> delete partition.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 8:44 am, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I have done it through trial and error, but how in vein does one easily 
> remove partitions? Thanks!
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 05:30, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tom,
>> 
>> This would now be a multi-step process whereby you shrink the second 
>> partition first, then have the main partition expand to use up the remaining 
>> space.  So, in Disk Utility, select your HD, then the Partition tab 
>> ,Interact with the list of partitions, and VO-shift-space to simulate the 
>> mouse-click on the second partition.  Stop interacting with the list of 
>> partitions then enter 50 into the Edit field for that partition and apply 
>> the change.  This will make the second partition the correct size and leave 
>> the remainder as free space.  You should then be able to select your 
>> Macintosh HD partition in the same manner and resize it.  this is where my 
>> memory is failing me.  I seem to recall that I had to do something special 
>> to make it use up the free space but I can't remember what I did at this 
>> point.  It is totally doable using Terminal with the diskutil resize command 
>> if you feel like using the command line but should be doable in Disk Utility 
>> as well.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 19:20, jeff `greene  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tom, the best way I've found to do this is to get camptune x from
>> paragon software. I purchased both this and bootcamp backup for
>> $19.95. It allowed me to enlarge my bootcamp partition without
>> reinstalling anything. The software is totally VO compatible.
>> HTH Jeff
>> 
>> On 6/9/15, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I am wanting to resize the main partition on my drive from 512 gigs
>>> down to 450 gigs.
>>> I booted in to recovery mode so that the system was not running to
>>> have the best luck resizing the drive with out any side effects, and I
>>> was able to split the drive into two partitions of 256 gb each.
>>> How do I now down size the second partition to 50 and resize the first
>>> up to 460?
>>> I can't seem to be able to change the size by editing the text field
>>> that contains the size or find any slider for doing this using
>>> VoiceOver.
>>> I did find an article on Applevis but the instructions I found there
>>> didn't seem to work for me.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any suggestions you can offer.
>>> 
>>> Tom
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Re: voice over and icons?

[Kliph]

Yes, it appears that option is selected, but voiceover still doesn’t read it to 
me, or let me know that it is there.
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 2:50 AM, christopher hallsworth  
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> Is navigate images set to always in Settings > General > Accessibility > 
> VoiceOver?
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 04:48, Kliph  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there anyway to get voiceover to read icons on a web page?  I manage my 
>> NAS from the web, and there are options that are only icons, so I need to 
>> know where they are so I can use them.  Thanks.
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Re: voice over and icons?

[Caitlyn Furness]

could you navigate by images and have somebody help you to label them with vo?

Caitlyn

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> NAS from the web, and there are options that are only icons, so I need to 
> know where they are so I can use them.  Thanks.
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Re: el capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

Yeah it is a little bugger *smile*. Never seen this late 2011 MBP fly. I'm not 
seeing a Windows computer running this fast any time soon.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 01:00, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Snow Leopard lives!
> 
> Or at least I hope so.  You might think it, based on the feature list of El 
> Capitan.
> 
> Apple are replying to my bug reports, to the effect of “Go check out El 
> Capitan, it’s fixed in there”. This is good; it means I have an excuse to run 
> the little bugger on my MBP, hopefully right up ’til the release of the 
> public beta.  Not sure if I should take it abroad with me too in August, but 
> eh, I’m very pleased so far, and might just take the risk if it’s 
> straightened out enough by then.  It’s also making me feel a bit better about 
> badgering Apple so hard over the last few months; I should keep that up, as 
> the list of essential issues that need sorting out is still quite high …
> 
> So yeah, check out the beta when it arrives.  I think you’ll like it a lot.
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Re: IOS 9 siri voices now available

[christopher hallsworth]

No wonder the Apple Music app is coming to Android then *smile*. Sorry could 
not resist. I should imagine the app will be written with the open sourced 
Swift 2.0.
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 01:44, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> In that spirit, I would like to remind you, if by chance you have forgotten 
> or else did not know, that Swift II is going to be open source.  To me, that 
> answers your concern.  I must admit, I was quite shocked when I heard that 
> Swift II is to be open sourced.
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Or better yet, accept the right to the free flow of information.
>> 
>> On 6/9/2015 11:58 PM, BBS wrote:
>>> Hi Yuma. That's awesome that we can use the Siri voices in iOS 9. I hope 
>>> some time in El Capitan they let us use those voices on there too. And 
>>> guys, sorry but I'm gonna have to take Yuma's side with this one too. A 
>>> friend of mine posted the news on Twitter last night so I heard it long 
>>> before Yuma posted this information. So if you want to blame something, 
>>> blame the people that posted it on Twitter.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White Macbook
>>> - Original Message - From: "Yuma Decaux" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:42 AM
>>> Subject: IOS 9 siri voices now available
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Just to let you know that Siri voices are now available to use as standard 
>>> voice over too. This is cool as it normalises the experience between asking 
>>> siri stuff and voice over. Or let’s say voice over is now siri :)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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