Re: [Marxism] Readers of Marx and Engels Decry Publisher’s Assertion of Copyright - Research - The Chronicle of Higher Education
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 05.05.2014 22:29, Lüko Willms wrote: on Mittwoch, 30. April 2014 at 22:38, Einde O'Callaghan wrote: The material has now been removed and we've started examining the stuff to see what was originally published in English, e.g. Engels's articles for the Northern Star, Marx's articles for the New York Tribune or the Minutes of the IWMA. We've also started looking for available non-copyright translations of the material taken down. And we've begun to re-translate some of the material You could also make a new try to convince LW that they are shooting themselves in their foot and will get far less money from this copyright shark than what he is promising them. And that they will not sell less printed books because of that deal. And that they would be better of with a deal that MIA puts a link to the LW shop where the readers could order a printed copy of the book. Under the pressure of the bad publicity Lawrence Wishart have announced that they are investigating ways of making at least some of their stuff available to a wider public. We're waiting to see what their proposals are. Meanwhile, we're checking out other available (non-copyright) translations. And, as already mentioned, we're also working on getting new translations of at least some of the stuff. The latter is a longer term project seeing as it took several decades to organise the translations in the MECW - and for about half of that time they had the support of a state power and several western academic institutions in doing so, something the MIA doesn't have - although we're particularly pleased that several of the people who work on the MEGA have given their support to us.. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Readers of Marx and Engels Decry Publisher��s Assertion of Copyright - Research - The Chronicle of Higher Education
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == We're checking the original language of articles we've removed amd all that were in English will go up again without the MECW notes. Einde O'Callaghan Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone Lüko Willms wrote == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == on Donnerstag, 1. Mai 2014 at 15:44, Mark Lause wrote: but new translations, particularly of unpublished work or other editions would not be subject to the LE copyrights. Yes, but this does not depend on the choice of original edition you chose to translate from. Methinks... BTW, the MEGA does certainly not only publish in German, since Marx and Engels wrote also in other languages, especially in English. All the news articles for the New York Tribune which Marx wrote for his income, were written in English. Cheers, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/eindeoc%40freenet.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] LW: a mercenary London publisher empowering imperialist privilege
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It depends on when the translators die! Einde O'Callaghan Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone Ralph Johansen wrote Anyone know what the copyright expiration date is on the proscribed material? Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Readers of Marx and Engels Decry Publisher’s Assertion of Copyright - Research - The Chronicle of Higher Education
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 30.04.2014 21:59, Lüko Willms wrote: BTW 2, if the copyright of those translations made in the 1970ies and 1980ies is owned collectively by three publishers, and LW being only one of them, can they really unilaterally decide to put these works behind digital fences? And could not the other two allow the MIA to continue to host those works for really open access from all over the planet? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany It's not that simple Lüko. As far as we're aware it was a three-way deal where any one of the three could block the deal. At least that was the way our previous arrangement worked. The situation now is that Progress no longer exists and we're not at all certain whether there is a legal successor or, if there is, who that might be. As for International Publishers, we've also had a couple of run-ins with them over the years, although recently relations have been much more friendly. It appears that IP already have a digital subscription deal for the American market - but they didn't insist that we take down the stuff from vols 1-10. The material has now been removed and we've started examining the stuff to see what was originally published in English, e.g. Engels's articles for the Northern Star, Marx's articles for the New York Tribune or the Minutes of the IWMA. We've also started looking for available non-copyright translations of the material taken down. And we've begun to re-translate some of the material - for example, today I did a new translation of The Demands of the Communist Party in Germany, which was issued by the League of Communists in March 1848 - this will probably appear tomorrow. There are also others (non-MIA volunteers) who've offered to do translations for us. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lawrence and Wishart miscellany
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 26.04.2014 15:49, Louis Proyect wrote: There's probably more on the way... Here's MIA's reaction to LW's statement: http://www.marxists.org/admin/legal/lw-response.html Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Probably controversial: Boris Kagarlitsky on Ukraine: From the Maidan to the revolution?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone Louis Proyect wrote Boris must have taken out a subscription to the Militant. His analysis is diametrically opposed but the language is cribbed from Barnes-speak: These are the people whom the intelligentsia describe contemptuously as “lumpens”, middle-aged family men and women who only yesterday were typical apolitical residents,Russian-speaking toilers who took no interest in the political intrigues of the capital. Whenever I see the word toiler, I think of bib overalls and lunch-pails, objects hardly associated with either Jack or Boris. I suspect the use of the word toiler has more to do with Boris K's translator than with Boris himself! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Tony Benn has just died
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Tony Benn, the veteran Labour Left leader has just died: http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-03-14/tony-benn-dies/ Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fascism?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Am 12.03.2014 14:08, schrieb Andrew Pollack: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == what the fuck are you talking about? I wondered exactly the same! Einde O'C allaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Ukraine: The truth about the leaked Maidan sniper story
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Am 09.03.2014 16:49, schrieb T: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == There were no recanted statements by Dr. Bogomolets. To recant is to deny the truth of what one has previously said or written was the truth. In both reports previoulsy posted here, Dr. Bogomolets said that the accusations of sniping by protesters attributed to her were falsification. It would be accurate to say Dr. Bogomolets repudiated the lies attributed to her. For a full exposition of the methodology employed to attribute the lies to Dr. Bogomolets, the following reference may be useful. http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1937/ssf/ I must say that the same thought crossed my mind when I read the word recant after reading the doctor's statement. I sometimes wonder where some people's principles disappear to when there is a conflict between the West and Russia. It seems that far too many people on the left believe that the enemy of my enemy is my friend is some sort of Marxist axiom! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bitcoin firm CEO jumped from 25-story building to her death | New York Post
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Am 07.03.2014 00:00, schrieb Louis Proyect: http://nypost.com/2014/03/06/bitcoin-firm-ceo-jumped-to-her-death-neighbor/ What does it mean that I have no idea what Bitcoin is? Am I getting old? Bitcoin is an attempt to create an alternative virtual currency outside the control of governments or central banks. I've always though it was a bit of a utopian capitalist project and now it all seems to be coming unstuck. Unfortunately, it appears to be people associated with the collapse of this effort who are jumping out of tall buildings rather than the fatcat bankers who are still raking in their bonuses worth millions while their banks are being rescued using billions of public money! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Source of Rosa Luxemburg Quote?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 16.01.2014 05:56, Vince Garton wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The original German quote seems to be slightly different, 'Wie Lassalle sagte, ist und bleibt die revolutionärste Tat, immer ›das laut zu sagen, was ist‹.' (literally 'As Lassalle said, it is and remains the most revolutionary act to always say loudly what is').I've found two places which trace it to the 1906 essay 'In revolutionärer Stunde: Was weiter?', in Gesammelte Werke, vol. 2, p. 36, but I have no means of checking that at the moment. Hope that's of some help at any rate. I can confirm that this is the source of the quote - I have the volume in front of me as I write. There is no note to the text saying where Lassalle said it. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Doris Lessing has died at 94
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/nov/17/doris-lessing-dies-94 Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Suggestion to Xxxx Xxxxxxxxxx
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 15.08.2013 14:04, Prashad, Vijay wrote: I thought there was a rule here against using the names of members of the list in subject lines. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] XXXXX XXXXXXX on the Libyan Revolution
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 16.08.2013 05:40, Clay Claiborne wrote: I thought there was a rule here against using the names of members of the list in subject lines. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] SWP: more suspensions - leading members boycott ‘Marxism’ festival - Communist Party of Great Britain
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 09.07.2013 19:43, Louis Proyect wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == But for Gilbert Achcar and Paul Le Blanc, the show must go on. http://cpgb.org.uk/home/weekly-worker/online-only/swp-more-suspensions-leading-members-boycott-marxism-festival The SWP CC has rescinded the 4 suspensions and the boycott has been lifted. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Guess who is a Jew
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 01.07.2013 20:12, Louis Proyect wrote: Anti-Semitism poses absolutely no danger anywhere in the world to Jews. I'm sorry to contradict you, Louis. the reports coming out of Hungary are quite worrying. People are being beaten up in the streets for participating in protests against desecrations of Jewish graves. While it's true that in most of Western and Central Europe anti-Muslim politics and activities are a greater threat the traditional fascist anti-Semitism is still a living force. And even though most attacks by Golden Dawn in Greece are directed against Muslim refugees and immigrants they also indulge in old-fashioned anti-semitism too. I wouldn't be so sure that traditional anti-Semitism is a spent force. Here in Germany the desecration of Jewish cemeteries and buildings is at least as common as desecrations aimed at Muslim institutions and buildings. Here in Chemnitz, where I live, a popular Jewsih restaurant was forced to close because it became increasingly difficult to get insurance coverage because it was damaged so regularly by drunken (and not so drunken) Nazis. An Arab restaurant in the same street had far fewer problems. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The international Jewish Communist conspiracy department
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 28.06.2013 14:34, Marv Gandall wrote: snip Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and other lesser known Bolsheviks were materialists who rejected religion and had long ceased to identify with the Jewish communities into which they had been born. However, as Bolsheviks they still regarded the Jews as a nation with a common language, culture, and territory in Eastern Europe, and they viewed anti-semitism as an major ruling class weapon in the struggle against the growing mass influence of Marxism. Therein lies the importance of being Jewish in that historical period. It was often a life and death matter, and it universally doomed the entire Yiddish-speaking nation in WWII. Today, Judaism survives as a transnational religion like Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. I've never quite understood understood why Deutscher continued to describe himself as a non-Jewish Jew since he did not practice the religion and had no longer had connection to an organized Jewish community. In his defence, he could claim to have come from the shtetl and to speak its distinctive language. The attenuated attachment to the tradition of contemporary secular non-Jewish Jews in many countries, however, seems to me to resemble that of the descendants of the Irish, Italian, and other European immigrant families: mainly nostalgic - a fondness for pastrami, klezmer, and other features of the inherited culture - and an uncritical belief in the blood tie of having been born of a Jewish mother and of belonging to a separate Ashkenazi or Sephardic racial or ethnic group. In one respect, though, Jewish self-identification is unique, owing much to the traumatic memory of the Judeocide, still too fresh for a generation once removed to ease fears of its recurrence and to fully assimilate even though it is widely dispersed, intermingled, and intermarried. It may be that anti-semitism is now irrelevant in the USA, but unfortunately it's very much alive and well in Europe (the current Hungarian government officially propagates anti-Semitism and a fascist anti-Semitic party is a junior partner in the government). This is why so many secular socialists of Jewish descent who are absolutely non-religious still identify themselves as Jews as a sign of their opposition to anti-Semitism. As on of my secular socialist Jewish friends once said when asked by some Orthodox Jewish students in Poland why he considered himself Jewish even though he was an atheist and didn't adhere to any Jewish religious practices: As long as anti-semitism continues to exist I will proclaim that I'm Jewish and not try to hide the fact that I'm of Jewish descent. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Deadly fantasy in France
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 07.06.2013 16:49, Louis Proyect wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == (Received from David Thorstad. I think that Diana Johnstone is a nitwit but am open to the idea that her report is accurate.) Comment by Diana Johnstone on the death of Clément Meric during a confrontation in Paris between antifas (violent leftist antifascists) and skinheads. The antifas appear to have provoked the altercation. Their violent propaganda (some examples are at the bottom) tends to blur the distinction between left and right, and in some cases in Europe, the antifas have invoked slander and violent threats against other leftists whose views they disagree with. David From my extensive experience of working with the Antifa in Germany I would tend to regard the comment as a right-wing slander. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] (no subject)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 21.04.2013 21:49, DW wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == the uncle was interviewed the other day and says the family came from Kyrgyzstan, which is far from Chechnya. is that whole region considered Chechen??? Kyrgyzstan is actually on the other border with China - but it was one of the regions that Stalin deported the whole Chechen people to in 1944 for alleged collaboration with the Germans. They weren't allowed to return to Chechnya until 1957 and some stayed in the regions of exile. Einde Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Frank Baum on Native Americans - from Wikipedia
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 14.04.2013 05:51, Mark Lause wrote: Apologies to the list for missending to everybody.my ghut reaction to DW's inability to address comments without misrepresenting them. It was intended as a private expression of exasperation, though I really should certainly be used to it after years of it. I don't see DW anywhere on this thread - I think another personal apology is due! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Ed Miliband Thatcher tribute in full (retch, puke)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 10.04.2013 17:30, Louis Proyect wrote: http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2013/04/10/ed-miliband-thatcher-tribute-in-full At least one Labour MP managed to express the loathing large numbers of people felt for Thatcher: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDtClJYJBj8 Glenda Jackson, who may be more familiar to some members of the list in other roles. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] She should rot in hell
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 08.04.2013 22:57, Gary MacLennan wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I hope Briish comrades on this list do their duty and let us know what is being said on the ground among the people. Such is the dominanace of official truth in the bourgeois media here in Australia that it is hard to get beyond the tributes pour in line. Though stuff is fltering through. Thus the deputy editor of the Sun did say nasty things were being said about Thatcher on Twitter. My heart leaped with relief. Lou, as is his wont when a hero of the bourgeoisie dies, prefaced his post with rot in hell. I second that heartily. It is so important that there be a people's carnival over Thatcher's death. Her heirs and wannabes in the Tory and Labour parties need to be encouraged. Well, for those who are on Facebook or Twitter there's lots of pictures of people out on the streets celebrating and the right-wing press are foaming at the mouth about the disrespect that the great unwashed are showing for their heroine. On Twitter the main tag seems to be #Thatcher. You'll get both pro- and anti-Thatcher tweets under that tag Ken Livingstone, the former Labour Mayor of London, was thrown off a live television broadcast for suggesting that she was to blame for everything that was wrong with Britain today. And George Galloway has provoked the outrage of the right-wing press for having the gall that workers should stamp the dirt down on her grave. The manager of an off-licence (liquor store) in London was suspended for tweeting that in his branch of a large chain there would be a £10 reduction on a bottle of champagne for those who felt like having a little celebration (without even a mention of what they might want to celebrate). That's just a fraction of what I've been able to pick up from here in Germany. Incidentally, earlier this evening if you typed the words Thatcher death into Google the first suggestions you got for completing the entry were Thatcher death party and Thatcher death party kit and also among the top 10 suggestions were: Thatcher death party packs, Thatcher death pack, Thatcher death countdown and Thatcher death t-shirts. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] James and Glaberman (was Awesome Proletarian Positions)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 06.04.2013 13:23, Angelus Novus wrote: Lou wrote: I regard CLR James as the greatest Marxist thinker to come out of the Trotskyist movement after Trotsky's death. And James' close comrade Marty Glaberman was precisely one of those City College boys that turbulo refers to. Marty spent decades working in a Detroit auto factory, and then went on to write (IMHO) the most insightful analysis of the shop-floor activity of the American working class. So I guess those City College boys were good for something, Further to this unspeakable debate about the proletarian credentials of those that supported Shachtman and those that supported Cannon in the 1940 split. To describe the class origins of the members who had been students at CCNY in the 1930s as petty bourgeois as distinct from those members elsewhere is stretching things a bit. If I recall CCNY was the only institution of higher education that was open for the vast majority of young people of working class and immigrant backgrounds. It was actually known as the college of the proletariat, such was its reputation. I fail to see why former CCNY students should be regarded as petty bourgeois while other college boys who supported Cannon weren't. Examples of the latter were Joseph Hansen and Harry Braverman - until the latter proved how petty bourgeois he was by joining Bert Cochrane. I even remember reading somewhere that Farrell Dobbs had spent a few terms at college - and judging by the line of the CLA in the early 1930s that made him part of a counter-revolutionary mass - cf. A.M. Glotzer: Student Youth and the Workers Movement, The Militant, 1 June 1931 http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/glotzer/1931/06/students.htm - of course some might argue that Glotzer was already tainted because, after all, 9 years later he joined Shachtman Co. This is of course nonsense - but it it the level at which a lot of the arguments about petty bourgeois oppositions have been posed since the 1940 split down to the recent past! For some orthodox Trotskyists all the articles in In Defence of Marxism have taken on the status of Holy Writ. However, some of the articles weren't exactly Trotsky's finest. Particularyl the articles about the petty bourgeois opposition. It wasn't a good argument then and it's absolute bullshit today! During the the war the oh so proletarian SWP was a theoretical desert - anybody who was in any way creative ended up being driven out of the movement - do we need to list them: Morrow, Goldman, Heijenoort, James on more than one occasion and numerous others. After the way they were treated it's no great surprise that many of them turned away from revolutionary politics. The Workers Party, on the other hand, creatively grappled with the new issues as they came up - they weren't always right but they did at least try. That they eventually burned out was as much a result of the objective conditions as it was of theoretical weakness on their part or their innate petty bourgeoisness. Lazy argumentation like this makes me very angry and is a travesty of Marxism! If you disagree with somebody, present counter-arguments! Don't blame your differences on the fact that you're a crystal pure proletarian and your opponent is an incurable petty bourgeois. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Shachtmanites during WWII
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 06.04.2013 22:27, Michael Smith wrote: snip The children who are coming today arrive with their nurses arid governesses and tutors. Governesses are indeed mostly pretty arid, in my experience, but there are exceptions. Thank you for drawing my attention to the typo - our OCRing isn't always 100% perfect. On a more general point: Every issue of Labor Action from 1940 to 1958 is available online in full in PDF format. We are still indexing the contents - we're up to April 1942 - and we're OCRing a selection of articles from each issue - we're up to January 1942. After we've finished the initial trawl we'll start adding other articles until every substantial article is online in searchable HTML format - but that may take a few years. For those who want to compare the theoretical productivity of the SWP and the WP all wartime articles from Fourth International are already online in HTML format and from New International a selection or articles is online in HTML format but the complete magazines are online in PDF format for the years 1942, 1944, 1945 and 1946. Einde O'Callaghan (MIA ETOL) Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] John Foster is not speaking at the British SWP Marxism 2013 Festival in London this July
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 30.03.2013 14:09, Peggy Dobbins wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Huh? A rather stupid sectarian one-liner. Einde O'Callaghan On Mar 29, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Charlie charles1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: They apologize for listing John Bellamy Foster. It was supposed to be John Foster Dulles. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Hungarian Soviet Republic of 1918
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 21.02.2013 18:21, Craig Butosi wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Apologies if I sound pedantic, but following Andrew's logic, I would also recommend searching university library catalogues, which are publicly available to anyone with an internet connection. This isn't the case - doing a search at marxists.org gives you links to the actual texts online. In addition they are, generally speaking, texts by Marxists. So you do indeed sound somewhat pedantic - and to my ears rather ungrateful for a well-meant and helpful suggestion. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] SWP Faction
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 08.02.2013 20:58, Andy Bain wrote: Surely, this faction is 'illegal' from the CC's point of view? Are they trying to provoke the full timers into expelling them? Section 10 of the SWP's constitution - the section dealing with factional rights - doesn't say that factions are limited to the pre-conference discussion period - here is the text: If a group of party members disagrees with a specific party policy, or a decision taken by a leading committee of the party, they may form a faction by producing a joint statement signed by at least 30 members of the party. A faction will be given reasonable facilities to argue its point of view and distribute its documents. These must be circulated through the National Office, to ensure that all members have the chance to consider them. Debate continues until the party at a Special or Annual Conference reaches a decision on the disputed question. Permanent or secret factions are not allowed. The three months period is referred to in section 4, which deals with the party conference. this is the relevant passage: Three months before each Conference the Central Committee opens a special pre-conference discussion in the organisation. Members are invited to contribute written discussion documents for internal circulation during this period. During the pre-conference period, district aggregates are held where CC members present members with a review of the previous year and an outline of party perspectives. These open meetings give all members the chance to discuss party work, raise questions and points of disagreement and collectively assess the party’s development. Considering the number of prominent long-standing party members who've signed the faction document, I suspect that expulsions are not on the cards now, whatever may have been the case earlier in the week. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] question re Mary Leakey
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 06.02.2013 19:25, Brandon Frey wrote: As far as I know, the label reactionary applied to them as anthropologists is a bit puzzling because most of their work is as archaeologists rather than anthropologists. Studying bones hardly strikes me as the sort of thing that might led to reactionary conclusions. Louis, I've heard that archaeology is considered a branch of anthropology. Wikipedia says this is the case in the US, but not Europe... Leakey has written a number of very good books on human evolution - books I would describe as anything but reactionary, even if L. isn't a Marxist. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Paul Le Blanc on the SWP crisis
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 02.02.2013 18:42, Manuel Barrera wrote: snip Laurie Penney, not in the SWP, has been one voice that has spoken out and strongly on this crisis and its relation to Left politics, http://www.newstatesman.com/laurie-penny/2013/01/what-does-swps-way-dealing-sex-assault-allegations-tell-us-about-leftand, in response to the debate, here is a response to Callinicos: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/laurie-penny/2010/12/deregulating-resistance Just to be clear, this isn't a response to the current discussion, but to a previous discussion that took place at the end of 2010. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] On Leninism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 30.01.2013 20:23, Louis Proyect wrote: A reply to Callinicos in the newspaper of a group launched in Scotland by Chris Bambery, a former member of the SWP. http://internationalsocialist.org.uk/index.php/2013/01/on-leninism/ For the sake of accuracy it should be pointed out that Bambery wasn't just a member of the SWP. He was a member of the CC for many years and was closely identified with the former Rees/German leadership although he didn't split at the same time. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sexual predation and a splitting UK SWP
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 08.01.2013 23:36, Jim Moody wrote: snip Looks likely that the UK's SWP is on the way to a split, with some ructions already in evidence. National Secretary, Martin Smith, has been accused of being a sexual predator, with a session at the SWP's recent conference taking a report of a rape allegation. One commentary is here: http://www.2ndcouncilhouse.co.uk/blog/2013/01/06/misogynists-and-the-left/ In the interests of accuracy I'd like to point out that Martin Smith hasn't been national secretary of the SWP or a member of the leadership for the last two years - this is at least partly the result of the allegations which were first raised and discussed within the organisation two years ago. It would be nice if people taking potshots at the SWP could at least be up to date with their information! Whether there will be a split and, if so, on what basis and how large remains to be seen - however I tend to feel that reports of the SWP's demise are rather premature. This week's Socialist Worker contains a report on the conference including a brief discussion of the factions: http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=30285 Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Schoolmarm grammar
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 01.01.2013 15:01, Wythe Holt jr. wrote: Thanks, Alan. Arse is ALSO not in use in the US. When visiting in England I never heard ass (except in the donkey sense), so I have always thought arse and ass meant the same thing. So you are saying that shit and shite are two words for the same thing? Wythe That was the import of my post - two [dialectal ?] variants of the same word - confirmed by Oxford Dictionaries Online. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Schoolmarm grammar
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 31.12.2012 02:43, Ian Angus wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Michael Smith mjs at smithbowen.net writes: I never heard any other preterite for 'shit' than 'shat', which is good Anglo-Saxon. Are there really people who say 'shitted'? Why, for Grimm's sake? Living in North America, I've never heard shat except as a joke. And I've never heard shitted at all. In my experience (not, I realize, always the best guide) the commonly used preterite of shit is shit. Similar to hit. I shit today. I shit yesterday. In Ireland the most common form of the infinitive is to shite although probably more common is to have a shite - the past tense being had a shite. While in London I seem to recall that the most common verb was to have a shit. My only encounter with shat in either country was in the passive structure he got shat upon from a great height!, meaning that he got a really raw deal or was treated very badly - the use of the more archaic upon would indicate that it's a idiomatic expression, perhaps having humorous origins. Incidentally I've always found Shit! a much more expressive expletive than Shite! ;-) Einde O'callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] More on the 'Anti-German' Idiocy
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 09.12.2012 22:14, Angelus Novus wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Paul Flewers wrote: still lurks around the German left in respect of the prevalence of pro-Zionism Yeah, again, this is nothing that originated with the Anti-Germans. You can consult Ulrike Meinhof's earliest writings to see that it was fairly uncontroversial that the pre-67 New Left in Germany was basically supportive of Israel. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Noam Chomsky writes in _The Fateful Triangle_ that pre-67, pro-Israel sentiment was fairly widespread in the New Left internationally. Then there were debates around the time of the first Intifada in the mid-80s concerning the legacy of anti-Semitism in the extra-parliamentary left of the 70s, which is largely unknown to people who aren't familiar with the history of the post-war (West-)German left. Incidents like the Tupamaros West Berlin planning to bomb the Jewish Community Center, or one part of the Revolutionary Cells engaging in a separation of hostages into Jewish and non-Jewish during an Air France hijacking. All of this is completely unfamiliar to most British and American leftists, since in the British and American context, anti-Semitism is usually just a cudgel wielded to silence criticism of Israel, whereas in the German left of the 1970s and early 80s, there were actually very real, very ugly manifestations of anti-Semitism, and the autonomist milieu of the 80s and early 90s was engaged in a critical process of processing those experiences. It gives too much credit to the Anti-Germans to assume they had much of anything to do with it. All they ever did was introduced obfuscatory jargon and idiotic theory into the discussion, like the completely bananas notion of any criticism of finance being a structural anti-Semitism (for a good critique of this bonkers notion, see Gerhard Hanloser's piece here: http://communism.blogsport.eu/2011/07/18/attac-the-critique-of-globalization-and-structural-antisemitism/ ) All I can say is that the arguments I've encountered again and again both in the Antifa and in and around DIE LINKE within the former GDR aren't a re-hash of the arguments in the West German left during the 1970s or 1980s but more or less watered-down versions of the hardline anti-German arguments developed around Jungle World and Bahamas. which has a grip in the Left Party. He added that a move to expel the hard-line pro-Zionists from the Left Party was defeated It's been a while since I took a look at the party program, but I'm fairly certain the position on Israel and Palestine is standard peace movement boilerplate, support for the rights of both peoples to live in peace and security, a full withdrawal of Israel to the 67 borders and compliance with UN resolutions, dismantling of all settlements, etc. Basically, what folks like Chomsky and Finkelstein demand. This is more or less the consensus position. You're more or less right about the party programme, it's more or less the same as the consensus position within the German peace movement. But sections of the FDS (Realos) - going beyond the anti-German spectrum - wanted to include a statement defending Israel's right to exist and they haven't gone away - but this probably had more to do with their desire to be accepted as a possible coalition partner by the SPD and the Greens than with any question of principle. And the attacks by some not unimportant party members on Inge Höger, a Bundestag member who was on the Mavi Marmara when it was stormed by Israeli commandos, were particularly vicious. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] More on the 'Anti-German' Idiocy
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 07.12.2012 17:15, Angelus Novus wrote: Honestly, what decade is the Weekly Worker living in? If I were cynical I'd suspect they were conspiring with the Playtpus sect to pretend that the Anti-Germans were still relevant, or even that such a thing still exists. The whole Anti-German thing is deader than doornail. Has been since around 2006. I don't know about that. There are still far too many people running around with American and Israeli flags on anti-fascist demos denouncing people wearing Palestinian scarves (kheffiyehs) - and within DIE LINKE and particularly it's youth group the anti-Germans around BAK Shalom are still active in attempting to witchhunt anti-Zionists in the party. Some of those within DIE LINKE may be soft anti-Germans but they're still a pain in the arse and Katja Kipping, one of the party chairpersons, is strongly influenced by the anti-German milieu. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The 43 Group
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 29.10.2012 13:37, Kit Johnson wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Hi, I'm currently researching The 43 Group who were an anti-fascist direct action group operating in London immediately after WW2. Currently not finding a great deal written about them in academic literature but from what I've read thus far there were communists also actively attending and disrupting some of the same fascist meetings as the 43 Group and so wondered whether anyone on the list might be able to point me towards some archive material that give accounts of some of these events or make reference to the 43 Group. An obvious place to start would be the literature cited in the Wikipedia article about the 43 Group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/43_Group Incidentally, as a young man Vidal Sassoon, later more famous as hairstylist to the stars, was an active member of the 43 Group. Since one of the places where they were most active in opposing the BUF was Ridley Road Market in Dalston (in the Borough of Hackney) the archives in the local library, which is now called after C.L.R. James, might be a good place to start. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Books on contemporary capitalism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 18.09.2012 14:44, Alex Wilhans wrote: Can anyone give suggestions of marxists books on contemporary capitalism (last 40 years)? Different takes on developments: Chris Harman, Zombie Capitalism, Bookmarks/Haymarket David McNally: Monsters of the Market, Historical Materialism (I believe Haymarket will be publishing a cheaper paperback soon) Robert Brenner, The Boom and the Bubble, Verso Costas Lapavitsas, Financialisation in Crisis, Brill (cheaper paperback from Haymarket coming next year) Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] What's a good novel for 13-14 year olds?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 17.08.2012 02:33, Louis Proyect wrote: snip On 8/16/12 8:29 PM, Nick Fredman wrote: Lord of the Flies anti-capitalist? Even reading it for school around age 14 it was obviously about the nastiness of human nature. So much was of the curriculum was come to think of it. Animal Farm. Day of the Triffids. A bit later King Lear. No wonder we became morose and listened to The Smiths. https://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2004/09/07/lord-of-the-flies/ The British Marxist critic Paul O'Flinn wrote a short critique of Lord of the Flies called William Golding and Original Sin, which was published in a short book called Them and Us in Literature. The article can be read at: http://www.marxists.de/culture/them-n-us/01-golding.htm Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The ISO
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 15.08.2012 16:01, audrada...@aol.com wrote: Posted by: jay rothermel Written by David Walso of ICFI the International Socialist Organization ... that conceive[s] of the ?left? as a lobby within the Democratic Party orbit. That is a lie. It beats me why anybody would believe anything written by WSWS (aka ICFI) about another left group. They and their predecessors from the Healyite tradition have a long ignoble record of slandering leftists they disagree with, most notoriously their allegation that Joseph Hansen was a police agent The WSWS website has an undeserved reputation based on its news coverage - although to be honest this seems to be simply a digest of the best of the bourgeois press. the only thing really worth reading on that website are the film reviews! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Lenin on pure social revolution
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Reading many of the critical comments on the on-going Syrian Revolution I can't help being reminded of Lenin's criticism of Karl Radek on the 1916 Rising in Dublin: To imagine that social revolution is conceivable without revolts by small nations in the colonies and in Europe, without revolutionary outbursts by a section of the petty bourgeoisie with all its prejudices, without a movement of the politically non-conscious proletarian and semi-proletarian masses against oppression by the landowners, the church, and the monarchy, against national oppression, etc.-to imagine all this is to repudiate social revolution. So one army lines up in one place and says, “We are for socialism”, and another, somewhere else and says, “We are for imperialism”, and that will he a social revolution! Only those who hold such a ridiculously pedantic view could vilify the Irish rebellion by calling it a “putsch”. Whoever expects a “pure” social revolution will never live to see it. Such a person pays lip-service to revolution without understanding what revolution is. Of course, there's no guarantee that any revolutionary upheaval will lead to victory for the most radical anti-capitalist forces. And we shouldn't forget that the revolutionary process opened up in 1916 ended up 7 years later in the victory of clerical reactionary forces who introduced the carnival of reaction that James Connolly predicted would be the result of the partition of Ireland - a carnival of reaction that still casts its baleful influence on Irish politics. But that doesn't devalue the revolutionary struggles of the intervening years. As Brecht said: If you fight, you may lose. But if you don't fight, you've already lost! Einde O'Callaghan --- Nutzen Sie freenet Mail optimal angepasst für Ihr iPhone, Android oder Nokia Handy auch von unterwegs. Alle Infos und Download unter http://mail.freenet.de/mobile-email/index.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin on pure social revolution
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 07.08.2012 18:09, Paul Flewers wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Einde O'Callaghan wrote: 'Of course, there's no guarantee that any revolutionary upheaval will lead to victory for the most radical anti-capitalist forces. And we shouldn't forget that the revolutionary process opened up in 1916 ended up 7 years later in the victory of clerical reactionary forces who introduced the carnival of reaction that James Connolly predicted would be the result of the partition of Ireland -- a carnival of reaction that still casts its baleful influence on Irish politics. But that doesn't devalue the revolutionary struggles of the intervening years.' But is not this sorry result in Ireland precisely why one should not have a romantic view of an opposition in Syria that brings together all sorts of elements, from socialists through democrats of various stripes to outright religious reactionaries? Should we not be looking at precisely what the opposition in Syria represents, what currents there are within it and which ones should be supported, rather than condemning the opposition in toto as a reactionary puppet of the big powers, or conversely cheer-leading it in an utterly uncritical manner? That is, of course, the point I'm trying to make. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Victor Serge memoir
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 14.07.2012 02:04, DW wrote: List members should visit the New York Review of Books web site at: http://www.nybooks.com/search/?q=+Victor+Sergeorigin=booksqsort=score+desc They are re-translating and re-publishing a lot of Serge's wonderful writings. It's quite a good project. This isn't a re-translation - the original 1965 (?) Oxford University Press edition was abridged when it was first published. this edition is a re-publication of Sedgwick's translation supplemented by a translation of the parts left-out of the OUP edition by my comrade George Paizis. The other books listed on the page linked above are also re-publications of already existing translations and even the latest translation listed - Richard Greeman's translation of Unforgiving Years - was published 4 years ago. Incidentally, a number of list members are quoted in the descriptions of the individual books linked to from this page. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Brits as Victims....what a load of crap!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 13.07.2012 02:42, Kenneth Morgan wrote: The British maintained an effective blockade against Germany during World War I that resulted in a shortage of food and other basic supplies to the German civilian population. After the Armistice of November 1918, the blockade was NOT dismantled. It continued in place until the end of the Versailles Conference, June 1919. Several historians have suggested this resulted in tens of thousands of deaths after the last shot was fired. The continuation of this blockade after the Armistice, directed toward non combatants, was not only a criminal act, but also one of cowardice. It was also, of course, designed to stifle the German Revolution - we shouldn't forget that at this time the Allies were also blockading revolutionary Russia. Coming back to the debate about the terror bombing of Dresden and other German cities. I think that as Marxists that this bombing campaign was a war crime and a crime against humanity - in particular against the working class. The areas bombed weren't necessarily the industrial parts of the cities but the city centres, which were full of refugees in the latter part of the war and the residential areas. I live in Chemnitz, one of the cities flattened shortly after Dresden. You can still recognise the traces of the bombing simply by looking at the architecture of the city. Many of main industrial areas of the city were west of the river but the bombing was concentrated east of the river where the city centre and the main working class residential areas were and still are. Even in the case of those factories east of the river most of them survived with relatively minor damage even when they were relatively close to the city centre and most of the factories in the city were still in use down to the beginning of the 1990s. This isn't to deny that some factories were damaged and a few were even destroyed, I'm simply pointing out that the main destruction wasn't in the areas where most of teh industry was situated. The bourgeois and petty bourgeois residential areas west of the river also suffered relatively minor damage - most of the housing there survived relatively unscathed and is still occupied today. However, I think it's a serious error to describe this terror bombing as a holocaust or genocide - these are the terms used by the Nazis who attempt to use this Allied terrorism to rehabilitate Nazi Germany. There was no plan or attempt to exterminate all Germans the way the Nazis attempted to exterminate all Jews and Romanies or even to enslave them as the Nazis planned to do with many of the Slav peoples. From the experience of the Blitz it was clear that terror bombing wouldn't lead to insurrectionary movements such as those that ended the First World War. Insurrectionary movements were the last thing that the Allied High Command wanted - as can be seen by their attitude to the Resistance in France and Italy. I believe that the bombing was also intended as a warning to the Russians not to advance beyond the Elbe, just as the A-bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a warning not to advance too far in Eastern Asia. Indeed when the capitulation occurred the Americans occupied the western outskirts of Chemnitz - the stopped at the autobahn while the Red Army occupied the rest of the city (incidentally Chemnitz is west of the Elbe). Later under the terms of the Potsdam Agreement the Americans withdrew from Saxony and Thuringia. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Victor Serge memoir
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 14.07.2012 19:53, Jeff Goodwin wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == = Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. === On 14.07.2012 02:04, DW wrote: List members should visit the New York Review of Books web site at: http://www.nybooks.com/search/**?q=+Victor+Sergeorigin=books** qsort=score+deschttp://www.nybooks.com/search/?q=+Victor+Sergeorigin=booksqsort=score+desc Haymarket also published last year two books by Serge: Witness to the German Revolution [of 1923]: http://www.haymarketbooks.org/pb/Witness-to-the-German-Revolution and Revolution in Danger: Writings from Russia, 1919-21: http://www.haymarketbooks.org/pb/Revolution-in-Danger, which includes the essay The Endangered City (i.e., Petrograd in 1919). Both originally published by RedWords, a publishing venture associated with the British SWP. Translated by my comrade Ian Birchall. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Question about pre World War I SPD
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 11.07.2012 19:10, William Quimby wrote: snip I haven't read Steenson but I know that chapter 2 is on Germany. Lidtke touches on your question in the chapter Labor Movement Associations: Growth, Structure, and Composition. However he focuses more on the free trade associations and their efforts to unite arbeiters around sport and cultural activities. The SPD drew heavily on these essentially non-political organizations (underground as it were until the anti-Socialist law was repealed on May 15, 1908, and above ground after) for membership and support. The Anti-Socialist Law was Bismarck's bab, so to speak, and lapsed after the Reichstag refused top renew it on 25 January 1890 - in the election on 20 Februarty the SPD got 19.5% of the vote - Bismarck resigned on 18 March and no further serious attempt was made to reintroduce the law (although there were a number of threats to do so). Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Farber replies to Links review of his Cuba book
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 03.07.2012 16:56, Louis Proyect wrote: Samuel Farber – false friend of the Cuban workers REally Louis! Quoting the neo-Stalinist RCG to criticise anybody who is critical of one of the socialist states is really reaching for the dregs - whatever you criticisms of Farber! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Euro summit: not as long as I live?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 29.06.2012 12:52, robert mckee wrote: http://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/euro-summit-not-as-long-as-i-live/ This would appear to confirm what some of us have suspected for some time. Angela Merkel is either a zombie or a vampire! Probably the latter since she seems to have a tendency to suck the lifeblood out of any economy she can lay her hands on! ;-) Einde O'Eallaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Unconfirmed reports of Hosni Mubaraks death coming in...
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 20.06.2012 00:28, Mark Lause wrote: revived him after a massive heart attack -- on life support A Franco replay!?! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why is PASOK and similars called socialist?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 17.06.2012 22:33, Daniel Rocha wrote: Dear People, I cannot find the reason. A party, to be called socialist, should at least have the SYRIZA's program. Isn't that like calling the US's Democrats as socialists? Like the British Labour Party, the French Socialist Party and teh Spanish socialist workers Party (!) it's a member of the so-called Socialist International - which is called this because of it's history, even if it's member parties have long abandoned anything resembling what we might consider socialist. Some of us would probably date the definitive setting in of the rot to 1914. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Egypt vs Greece : Muslim Brotherhood vs Syriza
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 02.06.2012 20:38, Andrew Pollack wrote: Below is SA's newest on both countries. I must say Comrade Molyneux's post is disappointing. While making correct tactical points it evades the difference between a united front and a vote for a bourgeois party. Egyptian Revolutionary Socialists reply to ISO: http://socialistworker.org/2012/06/03/reply-on-egypts-elections Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Egypt vs Greece : Muslim Brotherhood vs Syriza
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 03.06.2012 09:55, Ratbag Media wrote: My concern was that whatever the rationale is for supporting the Muslim Brotherhood -- I am bemused as to why very different criteria should be applied in Greece to stand aside from Syriza especially when Syriza's primary 'crime' is supposedly that it is 'reformist'. Read the article I posted: Egypt is a run-off election between just 2 candidates, one of whom is the open representative of the old regime, whose victory would spell the immediate victory of the counter-revolution. Greece is a general election where many parties are presenting their programmes. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Egypt vs Greece : Muslim Brotherhood vs Syriza
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 02.06.2012 05:15, Ratbag Media wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Not that John Molyneux answers the question -- but it warrants some answering: Some people are asking how can the IS tendency vote for the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) but not for the left reformist, Syriza ? http://johnmolyneux.blogspot.ie/2012/05/normal-0-microsoftinternetexplorer4.html However John Molyneux does point out that there is a significant difference: In Egypt there's a run-off between 2 candidates, one of whom directly represents the old regime. In Greece there is a general election with many different parties and coalitions standing. I don't necessarily agree with everything John says, but I think it isn't possible to simply equate the situation in Greece with that in Egypt, which seems to be what most critics of the IST are doing. For a better understanding of the position of the Egyptian Revolutionary Socialists it might be useful if the critics read Chris Harman's The Prophet and the Proletariat, which is available online in the Marxists Internet Archive at http://www.marxists.org/archive/harman/1994/xx/islam.htm. The watchword so far has been: With the MB sometimes, with the military never! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] White Slavery: The Irish Slaves That Time Forgot
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 31.05.2012 18:39, michael perelman wrote: Regarding Irish slavery, here is a section from my new book ms. Sex, Lies, and Economics. Earlier, Petty proposed to improve upon his dream by engineering a wholesale dislocation of the Irish people. This measure offered a potential means to wipe out backwardness while providing profit both for affluent people, such as himself, as well as those with whom he sought to ingratiate himself. One such program had already begun before Petty's arrival -- the enslavement of the Irish people sent to be employed in the Americas. This program peaked around 1652-3, just when Petty landed in Ireland (Jordan and Walsh 2008, p. 147). The scale of this program was substantial: ##It is impossible to say how many shiploads of unhappy Irish were dispatched to America by the sole negotiation of the commissioners of precincts. No mention of such shipments would be likely to appear in the State Papers, and no record of them is likely to be discovered elsewhere. They must have been very considerable in number. It is only in those cases of a merchant or captain who petitioned the government for special license to transport such vagrants that any information remains. [Smith 1927, p. 165] Also, on September 18, 1655, Henry Cromwell wrote to Secretary of State, John Thurloe, that 1,500 or 2,000 boys of twelve or fourteen years be sent to the West Indies plantations (Smith 1927, p. 169). The best estimate from the number of Irish transported to Europe and the West Indies runs about 50,000 (Gwynn 1931, p. 301). I don't know the sources but I do remember being taught about Irish youth being shipped to the West Indies as slaves in school in Ireland in the early 1960s. I believe Montserrat was one major destination - surnames of Irish origin are quite common there as is red hair, apparently. At least that's what we were told. I'M very interested in reading more about this, being as I'm descended from people who were sent to Hell or to Connacht and arrived in the latter. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Marxist/leftist science fiction/fantasy lit
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 14.04.2012 19:22, Jess Martin wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Of interest to list members may be China's recommendations for 50 Sci-Fi Fantasy Works Every Socialist Should Read, to be found here among other places: http://theweeklyansible.tumblr.com/post/20777236577/50-sci-fi-fantasy-works-every-socialist-should-read China has recently pointed out that this list is over 10 years old and that there are a number of important omissions. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Marxist/leftist science fiction/fantasy lit
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 15.04.2012 03:13, dave x wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Ken MacLeod is/was a trotskyist of sorts. Ken MacLeod was a member of the International Marxist Group, the British Section of the USFI in the late 1960s and 1970s. His books often contain leftists political in-jokes. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Looking for a quote
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 01.04.2012 02:58, Bill Quimby wrote: A Google book search picks up that phrase in the essay Perspectives by Colin Barker [who he?] in the book Revolutionary Rehearsals, edited by Colin Barker. See page 219. There it is Colin Barker is a long-standing member of the British SWP - you can find a small archive of articles by him at http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/barker-c/index.htm. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Facebook frustration
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 03.03.2012 15:54, Louis Proyect wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I simply don't understand how comrades with a large number of FB friends can wade through all the stuff to find something relevant. I only have 330 friends and it takes forever to go through the posts. I know that some people who are really into it have more than a thousand friends. It is the same kind of complaint I used to hear from people who unsubbed from Marxmail because they couldn't deal with the volume. That is why I set a 5 post a day maximum. Part of the problem is that my FB friends feel the need to convey information that will not be news to anybody on top of current events. For example, I don't need to be informed about Rush Limbaugh's sexist radio commentary. I guess that goes with the territory when you become friends with total strangers. Using the subscribe function you can limit the types of posting you get - so for example I've cut the posts about games from all my FB friends. It gives you a bit more control than simply unfriending them. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Facebook frustration
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 03.03.2012 23:17, Louis Proyect wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 3/3/12 5:05 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: If you don't feel like waiting for them to show up, go to their profiles, click Subscribed, then Unsubscribe. It's as quick and easy as removing them from your Friends list altogether, without the hurt feelings or ensuing drama. As anybody who knows me, this is not my style. What is the point of having an unsubscribed friend? This has a Pecksniffian odor. They can read what you post - which is probably why they asked you to friend them in the first place! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Paul Le Blanc responds to Pham Binh's ....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 03.02.2012 20:32, Louis Proyect wrote: On 2/3/2012 2:17 PM, Kevin J. Murphy wrote: Hi Louis, What exactly is point of bringing up the Stalinicos insult ten years later? You know there was bad blood between ISO and SWP, so what? Alex supported my book on the Deutscher committee precisely because he does not harbor the same sort pettiness that continues to haunt you. snip Dear Comrade Murphy, How nice to hear from you. The last encounter was when you had Einde send a message to Marxmail about you winning the Deutscher prize, rubbing it in my face so to speak. Dear Louis, Although I've remained in sporadic contact with Kevin over the years, he had absolutely nothing to do with me posting about him winning the Deutscher Prize. I just thought that the name of the winner of the said prize might be of interest to members of teh list. Comradely greetings, Einde O'callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Paul Le Blanc responds to Pham Binh's ....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 02.02.2012 20:53, Louis Proyect wrote: snip Later that day I told some close friends who were about as alienated from the party leadership and its idiotic turn as I was that I was saying things I did not believe. I just wanted to fit in. Here I was, a rebel from the age of 13 censoring myself. Nobody tortured me into making a fool of myself. I did it all on my own. Unbelievable. I'm sorry to hear about the distorted political heritage you stumbled into, Louis. But your attempts to generalise from your limited experience just don't work. During all my years in the British IS/SWP and since in the various incarnations of the tradition here in Germany I've never experienced anything like this. Only during my mercifully brief encounter with the British SLL (later WRP) - admittedly at a distance since I was in Ireland at the time - did I encounter anything like this - but luckily I got out before I was embittered by the experience - although it did put me off joining an organisation for a number of years. I would hazard a guess that these practices popped up in a number of organisations from various political tendencies - including possibly my own in a number of countries - but I don't think this means that such tendencies are inherent in any particular political strand claiming to have Leninist roots. Indeed I've come across similar tendencies among anarchists and other non-Leninist socialist traditions too. I tend to think that such practices have roots in adverse objective circumstances and attempts to force the pace through voluntarist action. Formal political theories may strengthen or weaken such tendencies, but they aren't the cause. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Morning Star article on Trotsky
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 26.01.2012 02:21, Tom Cod wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Isn't this the British CP paper? interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Morning_Star Not is but was. It's almost 2 decades since the CPGB dissolved itself. There are actually a number of SWP members who regularly write for the Morning Star. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The facts behind Stieg Larssen's fiction
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 28.12.2011 01:14, Greg McDonald wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Jim Farmelantfarmela...@juno.com wrote: A good article posted by Charles since it among other things points out that Sweden has long harbored many people with pro-Nazi outlooks and that during WW II, Sweden although officially neutral, in fact sold Germany iron ore and other raw materials while also permitting German troops to cross Swedish territory. Furthermore, I would add that during the 1930s pro-Nazi attitudes were widespread among the middle and upper classes of Sweden. Just saw the american version of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. It is actually quite good, possibly better than the original version. I don't know if you've seen the Swedish version. I don't believe it was released dubbed into English. the new Hollywood version is being released in Germany in two weeks time. After that I'll compare the two versions. The Swedish version was released on general release here in a dubbed version last year - it's very good, so the Hollywood version has a lot to live up to to be better. BTW I've just read an article by a translator criticising the English translation of the books for being quite cavalier in its treatment of various aspects of the plot - starting with the title, which is actually The Man Who Hated Women but also including the dragon tattoo of the English title, which IIRC in the English version is on her right shoulder but in the Swedish version is much larger starting on her right shoulder covering most of her back with the tail ending on one of her thighs. The German translation is apparently truer to the Swedish original than the English version. I'll now have to read the trilogy again in German to see if the differences affect the plot or the story-telling. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The facts behind Stieg Larssen's fiction
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 28.12.2011 11:51, Greg McDonald wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:13 AM, Einde O'Callaghaneind...@freenet.de wrote: Just saw the american version of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. It is actually quite good, possibly better than the original version. I don't know if you've seen the Swedish version. I don't believe it was released dubbed into English. Einde, the Swedish version IS the original version. All 3 movies have been available for instant streaming on netflix for at least a year. I know that the Swedish version is the original film version - I have all three films on DVD. I'll draw my own conclusions on the the Hollywood version when it opens here in about 2 weeks. I'm pleased they didn't try to relocate it to the US - as happened with Edge of Darkness - the BBC's version of the latter was way superior to the Hollywood remake. I didn't realise the Swedish original was available on netflix. Ha it been dubbed into English or is it with subtitles? Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Help me find biography by Engels
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 28.12.2011 18:01, padmajashaw wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I will be grateful if someone can provide a link to Engel's biography of Karl Marx. I found only the brief abstract on Marxism.org site. Have I missed something? Please help! Is this what you're looking for: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/06/karl-marx.htm Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Workers of Europe unite, you've only euro chains to lose
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 21.12.2011 20:22, Marv Gandall wrote: snip But there's no quarrelling with his thesis that Europe's Left has suffered a calamitous six months. Socialist governments have met historic defeats in Portugal and Spain. Greece’s Pasok party was toppled by an EU technocrat Putsch. Ireland’s soft-Left Fianna Foil lost every seat in Dublin ... Whatever about the Social Democratic parties in Greece, Spain and Portugal, describing Fianna Fáil as soft-left is ludicrous beyond all compare. The Fianna Fáil has been THE party of the Irish ruling class since the 1930s when it also managed to pick up a considerable degree of support in working class areas partly because of the uttter patheticness of Irish social democracy almost since its inception (now on display yet again), partly by clever use of populist and anti-imperialist demands in its early days and partly because of a degree of clientelism that would have made Tammany Hall blush. The fact that the back of this party was broken in the last election is a major positive step forward for independent working class politics in Ireland. It's also worth bearing in mind that there are forces on the left in Europe other than discredited social democracy and that international solidarity and internationalism offer a much more fruitful perspective for the European working class in the fight against the current EU-imposed measures (read imposed by the German Merkel government) than Euro-sceptic nationalism as represented by the Torygraph or any of its columnists. #einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Palestinians tell Gingrich to learn history after 'invented people' claim
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 11.12.2011 01:49, Juan Fajardo wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 12/10/2011 12:40 PM, Tristan Sloughter wrote: I think we have an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and historically part of the Arab community and they had the chance to go many places. It's a very common claim. Some go further an posit that the Palestinians are in fact Jordanians and Syrians, whom Jordan and Syria, as well as other Arab countries refused to take back in, calling them Palestinians, fabricating historical ties to the land, and using them to embarrass Israel and excuse to be hostile it. It follows logically from the Zionist argument that Palestine was a land without a people for a people without a land. And has even less justification historically than most other Zionist claims. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] YCL presentation at WFDY meeting
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 30.11.2011 01:07, jay rothermel wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == We in the Young Communist League USA look forward to working with all of you to push the U.S. government to reach a cooperative, rather than imperialist, approach to foreign policy around the world. That said the fight for jobs and for real solutions must include reelecting Obama in 2012. If youth, whether in the Occupy movement or elsewhere, do not want to work with any politician, then being absent from the political process is only allowing the ultra-right wing to build power http://cpusa.org/u-s-young-people-show-their-discontent-with-capitalism/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+cpusaMain+%28CPUSA+Front+Page%29 -- I know after all these decades one shouldn't still be aghast at such thinking, but... To be honest I'm even more aghast that WFDY still exists after all these years - although that may be slightly overstating it - mildly surprised might be more appropriate. ;-) I had thought that it collapsed in the early nineties after the governments that financially supported it fell from power. Einde O'callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Althusser
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 13.11.2011 19:14, Manuel Barrera wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Hey, Lenin and everybody, snip No wonder the British--you know, the ones who murdered each other over popery v. Luther and throw adolescents in jail for decades over some stolen bread--can retort about Americans being uncivilised. Because, well, the political is personal and neologisms mark someone as an erudite scholar. Since Richard is Irish, this comment is rather irrelevant - as well as being ignorant of the history of the Reformation in Britain. And since heretics were also persecuted and even killed and thieves were executed in the English-speaking Americas it's also an ahistorical non-criticism. Indeed today in the US under the three strikes laws it's quite possible to get life without parole for stealing a piece of bread. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Althusser
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 14.11.2011 07:06, Manuel Barrera wrote: snip But I did, so, I'll just ask the question (you know, to get back to bein' historical an' all): Why exactly is Althusser's waiting out the anti-communist '50's to emerge with a left critique against Stalinism and his admitted (by Tomb, that is) failure to establish the absolute scientificity [sic] of Marxist theory important? Does Tomb really believe that actually establishing Marxist theory as absolutely scientific would really have prevented party bosses, revisions, and rivals from ignoring Marxist scientific principles or simply betraying them? Wouldn't that simply be a function of their alien class philosophical, theoretical, and political basis? What kind of useful strategy is inherent in sitting inside a Stalinist party for decades developing a critique that ultimately failed? I have a rather different take on Althusser from Richard. Long ago when I was a student, I actually waded through all of Althusser's writings then available in English, and came to the conclusion that what he was doing was providing a sophisticated (and almost incomprehensiblle to those unfamiliar with the vocabulary/jargon he was using) theoretical justification for the fundamental politics of the PCF - even if he was critical of some aspects. It's a long time ago and I don't think I have the critique I wrote then anymore and I've got no intention of going through his writings again - once was more than enough - so I'm afraid I can't now provide any justification for these conclusions. As regards the mental health issues - I agree with Richard that they have absolutely nothing to do with his value or otherwise as a theoretician. On the killing of his wife - while I agree that there are innumerable people with serious mental health issues who don't murder their spouses, there are also others who do. The reasons they have are as varied as their personal circumstances. I don't think it's possible to draw any valid conclusions about their position on women's rights or anything else from their actions without much more profound knowledge of their state of mind than are available to us. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Die Linke Poses the System Question
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 24.10.2011 08:55, duh-roo wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == A Bundestag delegate quoted in the article affirmed that the program is fully at the height of the times and is consequently anticapitalist and antimilitarist. For the first time the question of property is posed as the core of left politics. And specific demands of the program include the nationalization of banks, a ban on temp work, and a statutory minimum income of 60% of average income... In the foreign policy section of the program, The Left demands the withdrawal from the military structures of NATO and the end of all foreign deployments by the armed forces. And this from a party with an electoral base and seats in the federal government. If this was indeed made possible by OWS, it seems they've taken OWS and run ahead a ways... [insert swipe at OWS anti-parliamentarianism here] As an active participant in the pre-conference discussions I can say that the basis had been laid in advance for the program as it was adopted. What the OWS movement did was ensure that the mood in the conference was more radical thus preventing the realos from watering down any of the key points. It also ensured that the eventual vote was 97% in favour and not perhaps between 85 and 90%, which would have allowed the bourgeois press to continue their campaign asserting that the party is fundamentally split. The Bundestag member quoted above is Sevim Dagdelen, one of our representatives of Turkish origin. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] 707 page book about Karl Marx's personal life
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 25.09.2011 16:58, Louis Proyect wrote: snip LOVE AND CAPITAL Karl and Jenny Marx and the Birth of a Revolution By Mary Gabriel Illustrated. 707 pp. Little, Brown Company. $35. snip The history of Marx the man, father, husband and journalist is dramatic enough to require no overwriting, and indeed “Love and Capital” is a huge, often gripping book. It gives an entertaining and balanced portrait of Marx, Engels, their colorful milieu of exiles, freaks and revolutionaries, and the little-known Marx family, dominated by Karl’s political obsession. It also details illicit love affairs, the deaths of children and financial struggles, all based on vast research and narrated with empathetic passion. I'm not certain how much of the stuff reported in the various reviews is actually new. It seems to cover much the same ground as Francis Wheen's very readable biography of Marx - although perhaps with a different focus. And there's also Yvonne Kapp's two volume biography of Eleanor Marx, which covers some of the same ground. And the story of Marx's fling with Lenchen and the birth of Freddy Demuth is rather ancient news! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [RKOB] Five days that shook Britain but didn't wake up the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 02.09.2011 14:49, Paul Flewers wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's nice to see that looking across from Germany some people think that we recently had a near-revolutionary situation in Britain. I thought that these RKOB guys were some kind of remnant of the mad German Maoist scene, but it appears that they are Trotskyists. Still, this movement has had its headbangers too. Does anyone know who they are? They don't seem to have a franchise in Britain. Apparently they're a split from the League for the Fifth International! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Deepa Kumar on Political Islam: A Marxist Analysis
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 22.08.2011 03:03, Negar Mottahedeh wrote: What follows are excerpts from Deepa Kumar's recent 2 part analysis of Political Islam: Although it's not mentioned once in the text, the analysis seems to be very similar to that advanced at somewhat greater length and depth in Chris Harman's work The Prophet and the Proletariat http://www.marxists.org/archive/harman/1994/xx/islam.htm. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Zizek put off by London riots
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 19.08.2011 23:28, Louis Proyect wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 8/19/11 5:22 PM, Gary MacLennan wrote: Of course it is the social class of the London rioters which offends this dilettante. Less and less I like this Zizek. Comradely Gary Our old friend, the indefatigable Marxist prophet of superhighways and DDT, doesn't like the rioters either: http://www.newgeography.com/content/002376-britain-needs-a-better-way-get-rich-than-looting The title says it all. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Four years jail for riot joke on Facebook
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 17.08.2011 19:51, Paul Flewers wrote: snip I think that this point about the obligation upon the public to help quell a riot is very significant, as if you are a witness to a riot and, whilst not actually looting or throwing things at the Old Bill, do not try to prevent disorder -- that is, you just stand there looking at the events -- you are nonetheless actually under law considered as a rioter, and liable to arrest and prosecution. The British state rules out neutrality here! My friend told me whilst the riots were still in progress that he had been told that the judiciary had been 'told' to come down very heavily upon those involved. This has certainly been the case. As far as I'm aware the riot act was not read at any of the incidents of disorder and senior police and government ministers have been very careful not to describe any of the incidents as a riot. This is possibly because there are profound financial consequences if an incident is described as a riot - specifically, the government - not the insurance companies - has to pick up the tab for all damage, even for premises that weren't insured. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Materialist History of Abraham Religions?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 13.08.2011 23:48, Tristan Sloughter wrote: I was starting to look around for books on the creation of the Abraham myth and the religions based on it -- like how the Greek and Canaanite religions influenced the myths and how the Torah was pieced together by the various authors. As well as on the Eastern religion creations, since those I know the least about. I first ran into Max Weber, who I've never read any works of, and some of his stuff seems pretty interesting... He has a theory that the non-messianic religions of the East are what slowed their economic development towards capitalism. This is part of his argument against historical materialism for understanding the development of capitalism. Though it seems to me (based on a couple sentences on wikipedia I've read, haha, so I'm probably completely wrong) that he is actually giving support to Marx's dialectic by showing the religions of the East were support for the unique caste system they had, which slowed the development to capitalism, but I digress. Anyway... I thought this would be a good list to ask if anyone has suggestions on works to read and opinions on Max Weber's work on religion. Karl Kautsky did some interesting things on religion: Foundations of Christianity available online at http://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1908/christ/index.htm - particularly Book 3 for the origins of the Jews and Judaism. Another useful source is Paul N. Siegel, The Meek and the Militant. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] BBC apologises to Darcus Howe
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The BBC has apologised to Darcus Howe for calling him a rioter. http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1storycode=47674c=1 Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] NEW BOOK: Zinoviev and Martov: Head to head in Halle
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 11.08.2011 18:15, Tom Cod wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Weren't Martov and his group part of the Soviet government at one point? No, Martov walked out of the Soviet congress with the rest of the Mensheviks - albeit reluctantly. I believe he later described it as a massive error. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Egyptian bloggers critical of London riots
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 10.08.2011 03:41, Tristan Sloughter wrote: 'West Indian man'? That is CLR James great-nephew Darcus Howe :) It is, however, the case that in the course of the interview he described himself as an old West Indian Negro - and the ignorant racist that was interviewing couldn't even get his name right and introduced him as Darcus Dowe! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Background on Standard and Poor's
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 06.08.2011 16:15, Louis Proyect wrote: Meant to include this as well, from the SP statement explaining their downgrading of US creditworthiness. Standard capitalism. Poor performance. So the allegedly unthinkable has happened. Yes, it’s AAArmageddon day. Frankly, armageddon sick of this nonsense. Credit rating agency Standard and Poor’s has cut the long-term US rating by one notch to AA+ with a negative outlook, citing concerns about budget deficits. SP say the US deficit reduction plan, passed last week, doesn’t go far enough. There isn’t enough austerity. There are too few job losses. The rich are paying too much tax and the poor are getting off lightly. That is the top and bottom of economic policy in SP world. The US is already struggling with huge debts, unemployment of 9.1% and fears of a possible double-dip recession. So what is to be done? Why, rip more demand out of an already staggering economy. So who the hell are Standard and Poor’s and what credentials do they have for their actions? Rest at: http://alangibbons.net/?p=12092 He also provides the following link: http://www.edmundconway.com/2010/12/credit-ratings-agencies-shameful-history-of-profiting-from-failure/. The author of this hatchet job on the rating agencies, Edmund Conway, is no socialist firebrand, being a former journalist on the Daioly Telegraph, the most conservative daily in Britain. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Is Islam Compatible with Capitalism?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 04.08.2011 18:42, michael perelman wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Picking through the Bible, you could make a case that Christianity is incompatible with capitalism. However, I suspect that the fact that the Quran was written by a former merchant and the Arabs of Mecca were a traders would make many aspects of Islam more compatible with capitalism than the New Testament - or the Old Testament for that matter. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Anti-military protest attacked in Egypt
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 24.07.2011 16:09, Louis Proyect wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index//anti-scaf-%28army%29-march-attacked-in-egypt Anti-SCAF (Army) March Attacked in Egypt You forgot to mention that this is a repost of Hossam El-Hamalawy's blog at http://www.arabawy.org Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Die Linke has the Sexiest Member of Parliament
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 29.06.2011 17:58, Angelus Novus wrote: According to the website Sexy Bundestag, http://www.sexybundestag.de Number 1 sexiest member of the Bundestag is Yvonne Ploetz of Die Linke. Number 2 is the SPD's Carola Reimann, Number 3 Katja Dörner from the Greens. Die Linke is also well represented in the top 10, with Caren Lay at Number 5, Nicole Gohlke at Number 7, and economic guru Sara Wagenknecht at Number 9. I must say that I was most surprised to find this on this list - even if I do personally know several of those currently in the Top 20. - Incidentally it's an ongoing poll and the positions change every few minutes. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Die Linke has the Sexiest Member of Parliament
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 29.06.2011 20:07, Michael Smith wrote: On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:12:15 +0300 Joonas Lainejjo...@nic.fi wrote: I'm sure everybody would be more interested in reading about what the top 10 Die Linke women's politics - rather than their looks - are.. Naaah. Booorrring. They're all just Zionists. Actually that's not true - at least 4 of the 8 currently in the Top 30 are vocal anti-Zionists and are being hounded as anti-semites by the bourgeois press and the Zionists. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Previouzsly unpublished work by Tony Cliff on the Middle East now available on line
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Tony Cliff's 1946 work The Problem of the Middle East, which has never been published before, is now available online in the Marxists' Internet Archive at http://www.marxists.org/archive/cliff/works/1946/probme/index.html. This is the result of a collaboration between the MIA (in the person of yours truly) and Cliff's literary executors. There's a short introduction to the piece by Anne Alexander. Cliff brought the study with him when he came to Europe from Palestine in the 1940s but he was unable to find a publisher at the time. Later events such as the Nakba and the foundation of Israel seemed to render the book superfluous or outdated and it wandered into Cliff's archives. One chapter was published in a collection of selected works published after his death. However, for an understanding of many of the events happening now in the Middle east the book provides a valuable insight into the historical background to the modern Middle East as well as emphasising the centrality of the working class. But don't believe me, take a look yourselves at the link above. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Zizek and Lady Gaga
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 21.06.2011 20:30, Matt Kelly wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Is it my imagination or has Zizek become the Marshall McLuhan of Marxism? Apparently it's all a hoax: http://www.lefteyeonbooks.com/2011/06/slavoj-zizek-and-lady-gaga-arent-friends/! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] New title: Tony Cliff: A Marxist for his Time by Ian Birchall
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 02.06.2011 11:57, Tom O'Lincoln wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I am looking forward to this book even though I'm not Cliff's greatest fan. Ian Burchill writes so well, and has lived through all of the history for a very long time. It's Birchall, Tom. I'm afraid your mixing him up with the much inferior writer, the journalist Julie Burchill. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Scheduled Downtime
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 20.05.2011 21:20, Mark Lause wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I agree with brad. We should have an all-night online rapture watch I'm particularly interested in how fast it happens Does this mean that we won't have to put up with these wankers anymore? Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Call for arrest warrants against Gaddafis escalates war (Guardian ite
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 16.05.2011 22:47, Lüko Willms wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-05-16 at 14:34:18 in about Re: [Marxism] Call for arrest warrants against Gaddafis escalates war (Guardian ite: Right. I am going out drinking with Michael Berube tonight to celebrate. Yawn. You are really getting desperate. I strongly suspect that you're suffering from irony deficit! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Racism in Libya,
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 16.05.2011 01:16, Suresh wrote: snip For some reason Einde, instead of dealing with the facts in the article, decided to post a quote by Lenin. Personally, I'd rather deal with the concrete issues of nation, class, and anti-imperialism in Libya than seek recourse to the same old revolutionary catechisms. I was responding to Vladimiro Giacche's one-liner, not to your post - which isn't exactly new news. Lenin's insight in to the nature of nationalist upheavals is relevant in this context. And equally relevant is his remark in the next paragraph: Whoever expects a “pure” social revolution will *never* live to see it. Such a person pays lip-service to revolution without understanding what revolution is. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] moderator's note
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 01.05.2011 23:09, Mark Lause wrote: I am not entirely pleased with how the list is moderated, but I can't figure out how it could be done better...and neither has anyone else. Certainly, I would be far more shocked if we had a list of 1300 Marxists successfully moderated by a committee of 130. On what basis would Louis entrust moderation to such a body? Would it be appointed? Annointed in Westminster? How would that be any better? And, we could have an election, of course, but there's no basis for making any but the most superficial choices among the 1300 possible members of this committee? We could post pictures and vote based on haircuts, I suppose Perhaps we could make sure that we have constituencies represented...the 70 members of the Jura Federation...the 200 ex-Maoists...450 former Trotskyists... the 150 representatives of the interested intelligence organizations of the various nations and institutions... 1. SPELL OUT A SANE SOLUTION and, 2. if it's not implemented here, START A LIST BASED ON THAT SOLUTION But, for the sake of honesty, people should stop pretending that this is more than an email list. Nothing here prevents anyone on the list from saying or writing anything they please. Seconded! Couldn't have said it better myself. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Facebook political purges
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 30.04.2011 15:52, Joseph Catron wrote: On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Louis Proyectl...@panix.com wrote: http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=8064 No such thing: http://www.jonworth.eu/over-50-political-accounts-deleted-in-facebook-purge-its-much-more-complicated http://www.jonworth.eu/over-50-political-accounts-deleted-in-facebook-purge-its-much-more-complicated/And all the conspiratorial whining in articles like Socialist Unity's doesn't do much to induce my sympathy. Regardless of all other considerations, the fact that 50 political accounts in Britain (actually at least one is Irish based) disappear on the day when the bulk of the media are distracted by the Distraction of the Year is rather suspicious - especially when it doesn't appear to have happened to similar accounts in other countries. These don't appear to be the only deletions undertaken by Facebook in their kowtow to British royalty - several people with the good or bad fortune to be called Kate Middleton received a similar treatment from Facebook: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/blogs/press-here/120808579.html. The deletion of the groups has got some media coverage, e.g. in the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/29/facebook-accused-removing-activists-pages. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] To the anti-anti-anti Gaddafi comrades
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 25.04.2011 05:55, Eli Stephens wrote: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-24/mccain-says-libyan-rebels-badly-outgunned-against-qaddafi.html John McCain urged the U.S. to recognize the rebel Transitional National Council as the country’s government and provide financial assistance. He and Lindsey Graham, two of the most right-wing (in foreign policy terms) members of the Senate, are pushing for increased support for the rebels. Still think you're on the right side? How does it feel to be on the side of John McCain and Lindsey Graham? Using this methodology we'd have to reject the Russian Revolutions of 1905 and February 1917 as well as the German Revolution in 1918. The figurehead of the first was Father Gapon, a government spy and provocateur. The provisional government that emerged from the second was led packed with alienated supporters of the ancien regime as was the provisional government as was the provisional government that emerged from the last. This mistake in the analysis comes from concentrating on the shifting alliances at the top and not looking at the class forces in motion down below. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Massive gain for True Finns in Finnish election
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 18.04.2011 16:04, Joonas Laine wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The petty-bourgeois nationalist True Finns have gained a whopping 15 percentage points in national elections yesterday, up to 19% from just 4% in 2007. Earlier I've seen the True Finns being characterised as far right, so I feel like saying that even though their victory means nothing good for immigrants and minorities and I have no reason at all to defend them, in my opinion they cannot be characterised as far right in the sense that for example Sweden's Sweden Democrats are far right; Sweden Democrats have roots in neo-nazism, whereas the True Finns are the descendant of a rural protest party, and they have had no such need for any moderation as the Sweden Democrats have. I was the one who characterised them as far right - I claim no particular expertise in Finnish politics and was relying on reports in the bourgeois media AND the characterisation of somebody I know who works in Brussels for the GUE/NGL group in the European Parliament. thanks for providing extra information. However I still think that this means a lurch to the nationalist right even if the party as such can't be described as far right - the very fact that it's a racist party and has a fascist wing makes it very suspect to me. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Decline and fall of state capitalist jargon?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 10.04.2011 07:07, Tom O'Lincoln wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I went to the link DR provided and found this: China and Cuba, like the former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc, have nothing to do with socialism. We support the struggles of workers in these countries against the bureaucratic ruling class. This may sort of represent a departure from the term state capitalism but only in the sense that some abstract terminology has been concretised. I've been associated with the international socialist tendency for about 40 years, and we've used terms like bureaucratic ruling class quite often in that tiime. I've also been associated with the IST for about 35 years and I can only echo what Tom says above. Banging on about state capitalism or more specifically bureaucratic state capitalism has never been a feature of the tradition in my experience. And lots of loose synonyms have been used in discussions and agitational articles. Acceptance of a state capitalist analysis has never been a condition of membership. Indeed when I joined I was an orthodox Trotskyist on the Russian Question - I joined because I was impressed by what the organisation was actually doing in the struggles I was involved in - but in the course of my own study I came to agree with the bureaucratic state capitalist analysis - leavened a bit by the analyses of Raya Dunayevskaya and CLR James. Nobody ever saw it as their duty to hammer the party line into me. To a great extent the position on the Russian Question is today only a minor issue, mainly of historical interest. For this reason, in my opinion, all that needs to be emphasised by a revolutionary socialist organisation is that the pre-1991 system in the Soviet Union had nothing to do with socialism as we understand it, whatever it's historic origins. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Article(s) by Ernest Mandel required
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Can anybody supply copies of the following articles by Ernest Mandel? De l'A.B.C. à la lecture courante : boom, reprise ou crise / E. Germain [i.e. Ernest Mandel] in: Bulletin intérieur / Secrétariat International de la IVe Internationale (Paris). - 2.1947 (16) : pp. 34-37 From the ABC to current reading : boom, revival or crisis? / Ernest Germain [i.e. Ernest Mandel] in: Internal Bulletin / Revolutionary Communist Party, British Section of the Fourth International (London). - 1947 (Sept) A comrade needs one or both of them for a book he's writing. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Healyite dregs still gung-ho on Qaddafi
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 24.02.2011 02:18, Louis Proyect wrote: Gerry Healy was the crackpot cult leader in Britain who was expelled from his own cult for preying on young female members. As he grew more and more unstable psychologically, his politics did as well--launching at one point a big campaign to expose SWP leaders in the USA as FBI agents. He was also notorious for lionizing Qaddafi in his newspaper, a practice that lives on in the sect that succeeded him despite the sort of tepid criticisms of the despot that you saw in the WWP article as well: http://wrp.org.uk/news/6150 Wednesday, 23 February 2011 GADAFFI IN TRIPOLI – HAGUE IN DISARRAY! That was Wednesday's editorial. The Thursday issue contains extracts from Gaddafi's bizarre and bombastic speech on Tuesday night: http://www.wrp.org.uk/news/6153 The introduction goes as follows: WE print excerpts of Colonel Gadaffi’s speech to the Libyan people made last Tuesday evening to rally them against the internal counter-revolutionary forces and their UK and US backers. 'Nuff said about these relatively obscure dinosaurs! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Causes of the collapse of USSR
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 06.02.2011 02:15, sandia wrote: Can anyone point me toward reading material that surveys the causes of the fall of the USSR? A good summary of the IST's state capitalist analysis is provided by Mike Haynes: Russia - Class and Power 1917-2000 (unfortunately out of print) - see http://www.amazon.com/Russia-Mike-Haynes/dp/189887686X Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Statement of the Revolutionary Socialists of Egypt
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Statement of the Revolutionary Socialists of Egypt Glory to the martyrs! Victory to the revolution! What is happening today is the largest popular revolution in the history of our country and of the entire Arab world. The sacrifice of our martyrs has built our revolution and we have broken through all the barriers of fear. We will not back down until the criminal ‘leaders’ and their criminal system is destroyed. Mubarak’s departure is the first step, not the last step of the revolution The handover of power to a dictatorship under Omar Suleiman, Ahmed Shafiq and other cronies of Mubarak is the continuation of the same system. Omar Suleiman is a friend of Israel and America, spends most of his time between Washington and Tel Aviv and is a servant who is faithful to their interests. Ahmed Shafik is a close friend of Mubarak and his colleague in the tyranny, oppression and plunder imposed on the Egyptian people. The country’s wealth belongs to the people and must return to it Over the past three decades this tyrannical regime corrupted the country’s largest estates to a small handful of business leaders and foreign companies. 100 families own more than 90% of the country’s wealth. They monopolize the wealth of the Egyptian people through policies of privatization, looting of power and the alliance with Capital. They have turned the majority of the Egyptian people to the poor, landless and unemployed. Factories wrecked and sold dirt cheap must go back to the people We want the nationalization of companies, land and property looted by this bunch. As long as our resources remain in their hands we will not be able to completely get rid of this system. Economic slavery is the other face of political tyranny. We will not be able to cope with unemployment and achieve a fair minimum wage for a decent living without restoring the wealth of the people from this gang. We will not accept to be guard dogs of America and Israel This system does not stand alone. Mubarak, as a dictator was a servant and client directly acting for the sake of the interests of America and Israel. Egypt acted as a colony of America, participated directly in the siege of the Palestinian people, made the Suez Canal and Egyptian airspace freezones for warships and fighter jets that destroyed and killed the Iraqi people and sold gas to Israel, dirt cheap, while stifling the Egyptian people by soring prices. Revolution must restore Egypt’s independence, dignity and leadership in the region. The revolution is a popular revolution This is not a revolution of the elite, political parties or religious groups. Egypt’s youth, students, workers and the poor are the owners of this revolution. In recent days a lot of elites, parties and so-called symbols have begun trying to ride the wave of revolution and hijack it from their rightful owners. The only symbols are the martyrs of our revolution and our young people who have been steadfast in the field. We will not allow them to take control of our revolution and claim that they represent us. We will choose to represent ourselves and represent the martyrs who were killed and their blood paid the price for the salvation of the system. A people’s army is the army that protects the revolution Everyone asks: “Is the army with the people or against them?”. The army is not a single block. The interests of soldiers and junior officers are the same as the interests of the masses. But the senior officers are Mubarak’s men, chosen carefully to protect his regime of corruption, wealth and tyranny. It is an integral part of the system. This army is no longer the people’s army. This army is not the one which defeated the Zionist enemy in October 73. This army is closely associated with America and Israel. Its role is to protect Israel, not the people. Yes we want to win the soldiers for the revolution. But we must not be fooled by slogans that ‘the army is on our side’. The army will either suppress the demonstrations directly, or restructure the police to play this role. Form revolutionary councils urgently This revolution has surpassed our greatest expectations. Nobody expected to see these numbers. Nobody expected that Egyptians would be this brave in the face of the police. Nobody can say that we did not force the dictator to retreat. Nobody can say that a transformation did not happen in Middan el Tahrir. What we need right now is to push for the socio-economic demands as part of our demands, so that the person sitting in his home knows that we are fighting for their rights. We need to organize ourselves into popular committees which elects its higher councils democratically, and from below. These councils must form a higher
