Re: [MBZ] Porsche and VW group

[Mitch Haley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> <.
> 
> Are not and never were. Where DO you get this stuff?

I was pretty sure that VW/Porsche/Audi was a company in the 1970's,
much like General Motors or British Leyland.

Re: [MBZ] Vo-Po

[Mitch Haley]

Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:
> 
> Hola amigos
> Another half & half auto was built by Volvo years ago. Sports coupe Volvo 
> running gear
> and the body built in England.

Volvo/Limey?
For some reason, all I can think of is Marcos, which bought some I-6 Volvo 
engines
for US market cars, but had their own frames (with real metal by the time they
put Volvo engines in them) and fiberglas bodies. I really wanted one back in 
1970
when Car and Driver did an article on it.

Re: [MBZ] vacuum hoses, purge and water...

[John M McIntosh]

I converted it to delvac 1 5w40 about 2000 miles ago, guess I should  
start both of them up and see which how they sound side by side.
Fairly sure the injector? noise I heard before diesel purge on the  
603 is gone.


Perhaps I need to run another bottle in a week or so

On 13-Sep-05, at 4:13 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:


John M McIntosh wrote:




& Yes the 83 300TDt got a diesel purge too, sounds really nice
perhaps quieter than the 603.



If the 617 is quieter, there is something seriously WRONG with the  
603!

Are you using synthetic oil in the 603?

Marshall
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[MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?

[RELNGSON]

Harry ?M says partially incorrectly:

<>

As I previously posted, the Cayenne and Touareg share the platform and doors. 
That's it. They certainly don't use the same engines except for the low end 
V6 which I think is a modified Audi engine. Some would like to see the VW V-10 
diesel in the Cayenne to which Porsche has replied "never." However, Porsche 
has just announced at the Frankfurt Auto Show that they will collaborate with 
VW on a hybrid.

BTW, Ferry Porsche's nephew is the recently retired head of the VW Group, 
Ferdinand Piech. That's the connection.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Exhaust Question

[Marshall Booth]

Donald Snook wrote:
How would I know if my exhaust is getting plugged up?   I am just 
beginning to hear exhaust noise and I would guess something has a hole 
in it. When it idles it sounds slightly constricted.  I do seem to have 
more black smoke recently than I had before.  I just got back from a 900 
mile trip where I did a lot of Italian tune-ups on the hills around 
Branson, MO.  You should have seen some of the black clouds.


Can I replace the exhaust from the manifold back?  How expensive might 
it be?  What would be involved?


WHAT CAR and year? As the internal baffles age, the system gets noisier 
(well before holes or external leaks appear). Consider Bosal replacement 
parts (Rusty sells them) if they make them for your year and model. They 
have a lifetime warranty. Eberspaecher is the OE maker for Mercedes and 
better quality than Bosal, but the warranty is far inferior. I've used 
both and both are of GOOD quality. Replace what is bad. I've found no 
advantage to replacing exhaust parts that aren't worn out yet.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] speedometer wrong, trip meter correct...possible?

[Christopher McCann]

at this point I have a full speedo repair manual in 5
e-mails!

Thanks!

--- Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> rumor has it that Christopher wrote:
> 
> > Craig and Phillip,
> > 
> > WOW! Thanks for the detailed info. SO:
> 
> > 3. The speedo seems fixable, but since there is a
> > replacement in the trunk (entire instr. cluster),
> I'll
> > simply swap out and verify with GPS.
> 
> Some lessons from my experience.
> 
>   * The odometer gears and speedometer calibration
> seem
> to be model (that is, diff ratio) specific.
> 
> I got started on this when I dug into the
> speedometer on a 300D turbo.
> The odometer didn't work. This I have fixed a couple
> times before, so I
> figured it'd be no problem. Well, a former owner had
> tried to do the
> repair with superglue and got the glue onto too many
> partes. So I took
> the whole speedometer assy. from one of the 240
> parts cars. It bolted
> right in, and was way off. So it seems that rather
> than changing the
> cable drive gear in the transmission to match the
> diff. ratio they use a
> different speedometer assy.! I started swapping
> parts around between the
> two I had and finally gave up and repositioned the
> needle on the shaft
> so that it's correct at 60 MPH. Someday I'll fix it
> right
> 
>   * I think the difference between a 80 MPH and a
> 120 MPH 
> speedometer is spring - but I don't have enough
> data
> to prove this.
> 
>   * When you open up the instrument cluster, it
> looks like it 
> might not be necessary to take out all nine
> screws to get
> the speedometer out. Don't be fooled. It's
> easier to take
> out all the screws 'cause the three sectitons
> sort of 
> interlock.
> 
>   * There is one screw hiding in the middle of the
> rheostat for
> the dash lights. Don't forget it!
> 
>   * A reverstable electric drill works as a
> bench-top speedometer
> drive. I used a 16d nail, cut the head off and
> filed a long,
> square taper on one end. I can chuck this in the
> drill. Forward
> speed requires counter-clockwise rotation of the
> input shaft
> which is why it needs to be driven from a
> reversable drill.
> Full speed on my cheap black&decker drill is
> about 40 MPH.
> 
>   * The speedometer needle is press fit onto the
> shaft. Honest!
> It's a tight fit, so be gentle.
> 
> > 4. Old instrument cluster (minus bulbs) is free to
> > whoever wants to pay shipping once I get it out of
> the
> > car (moved 1 week ago, so arranging the house
> takes
> > priority - or my wife will get pissed. Wife pissed
> at
> > Benz is NOT good). Providing the "new one" is
> worse,
> > then someone can have it and I will be playing
> with
> > springs and magnets!
> 
> Have fun!!
> 
>Philip, "can't think of anything
> clever"
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel priced lower than gasoline around here...

[Mike Canfield]

Cheaper by 30 cents a gallon here in Upstate, NY.  Mike
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gabriel S. 
  To: Mercedes mailing list 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel priced lower than gasoline around here...


  Go ahead and rub it in my face! =)


  On 9/13/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Not sure if everyone is seeing this but diesel is cheaper around 
Philadelphia than gasoline.  I like it !

dan elliott
82 300D-T 84kmi


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Re: [MBZ] Paint Codes

[Dave M.]

Hi Peter,

According to my 1987 color chart:

900 = Deep Blue (non metallic)
904 = Midnight Blue (non metallic)
929 = Nautical Blue (metallic)

looking at the sample color chips on my chart, the 929 is slightly
lighter than the 900, but not drastically. I'd guess it's your eyes
deceiving you, or it might be some fading over the past 18 years.
There is no code 930 that year.

On a side note, my car is 904 (Midnight Blue), which everyone mistakes
for black except maybe in full sunlight. I don't know how many times
I've been asked 'hey, is that your black BMW out there?'  me: 'Uh, if
you mean the blue Mercedes, why yes it is...'

:-)

-Dave M.

> --
> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:15:16 -0400
> From: Peter Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] Paint Codes
> 
> My 1987 300SDL is in my eyes a deep Blue. Paint code should be "930"
> 
> The Paint Codeon the car appears to be "929" which is Nautical Blue.
> That is much lighter.  Car has not been repainted.
> 
> I need to buy a quart to paint rear quarter and deck lid.
> 
> Any Thoughts?
> 
> --
> 
> Peter T. Arnold
> Windsor, Connecticut
> U.S.A.
> 
> 1987 Mercedes 300SDL

[MBZ] Porsche

[RELNGSON]

<>

Except for the early fifties, Porsche had done pretty well until the early 
eighties when 911 sales were in the dumper due to prices the public finally 
balked at. Porsche freely admits that the 944 saved the company and that after 
that period there have been more watercooled Porsches on the road than 
aircooled 
which the 911 drivers of course could not face.

In the mid-nineties Porsche employed a Japanese company to come in and tell 
them how to up their quality and cut production costs. The result was the 993 
and soon after they built the first zero-defects car in the company's history. 
And, due to taking the Japanese advice, manufacturing cost of that model was 
cut by one third. And no one was more surprised than I at the sales numbers of 
the not-so-beautiful Cayenne. Turns out people will   indeed pay 100 grand for 
an SUV if it's fast and turns and stops, unlike the others.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Diesel and BioDiesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well heck Marshall, when are you going to let people know when you are 
making these trips some things can be planned.  You were a mear 20 or so 
miles away from the striplin.net/okiebenz empire.  We could have had a 
mini okieq or something.


Marshall Booth wrote:

Took my yearly 2000+ mile trip to Oklahoma and back last weekend. 
Averaged 33.5 mpg with a high of 37.5 and a low of 28.5. The low was on 
a tank of 11% BioDiesel (actually when mixed into what was already 
there, it was more like 6-7%). That's consistent with what I've heard 
and read, but contrary to what I'd read, the several tankfuls of 
biodiesel I had previously used (all 20% from the Navy Annex station in 
Arlington VA) had given me economy at least equal to conventional #2.


I averaged about 70 mph for most of the trip (sustained speeds of 
between 55 and 85 mph at different times). I was driving my 190D 2.5 
turbo and running the AC almost continuously (outside temps between high 
70s and mid 90s).


Marshall


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 85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] vacuum hoses, purge and water...

[Marshall Booth]

John M McIntosh wrote:
I converted it to delvac 1 5w40 about 2000 miles ago, guess I should  
start both of them up and see which how they sound side by side.
Fairly sure the injector? noise I heard before diesel purge on the  
603 is gone.


Perhaps I need to run another bottle in a week or so



The kind of noises you describe usually take months and many hundreds or 
even thousands of highway miles of driving to "cure." That's because 
many of the noises occur because of the condition of the prechambers and 
it can take a VERY long time of proper combustion at higher engine 
speeds and load to clean out a prechamber.


Lifter noise can take even longer. Usually 5,000-10,000 miles will 
substantially reduce lifter noise, but one of my 2.2 liter 601.921 
engines just kept getting quieter for 50kmi and my 2 liter 601.912 is 
still getting quieter after 70 kmi!!


Marshall
--
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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[MBZ] Swing axles?

[RELNGSON]

<>

The last Porsche model to use swing axles was the 356C of 1965.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Swing axles?

[Mike Canfield]

I say we all get together and pen a book called THE MERCEDES DIESEL GROUPS BOOK 
OF TRIVIAL CAR STUFF..We could all be rich;>), Mike
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:24 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] Swing axles?


  <>

  The last Porsche model to use swing axles was the 356C of 1965.

  RLE



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[MBZ] 356 engines in VWs

[Dan Weeks]

 I've also seen a couple of 356 engines in VWs.


My brother was given a 1954 356 that had driven into a toll both and 
totalled. It was so rusty that the entire car basically 
disintegrated. My brother bolted the Porsche 1500 dual carb engine 
and aluminum close-ratio trans into a 1960 beetle that was 15 years 
old at the time and looked totally beat. He used to amaze 
302/4V/duals-equipped modified Mustang IIs by winning drag races with 
them. Low-speed handling was astounding. It would take 90-degree 
turns at 45 mph with a flick of the wrist and a tap of the toe and 
never leave the lane. It basically pivoted around the front wheels. 
The g-forces would separate flesh from bone. The stock VW would have 
rolled trying such a maneuver, but the lighter engine--and the 
ability to power-steer the rear end--made it possible. I've ridden in 
professionally driven Vipers and 911Ss on race tracks at triple digit 
speeds, but nothing I've sat in defied the laws of physics like that 
Porschwagon. Eventually the bug disintegrated too, and my brother 
sold the engine in Hemmings to a Porsche restorer.

--
Dan Weeks
82 VW Westfalia 1.6 TD conversion 182k
82 Mercedes 300SD, 275k

Re: [MBZ] Diesel and BioDiesel

[Christopher McCann]

I would have come just to pay homage to the DOKTOR,
except I was bailing Jim and his shot tranny pump 300D
out...which is now fixed, BTW. Looked at the old pump.
Interesting. Amazing what a cracked and wobbling
bushing will do.

Chris

--- "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well heck Marshall, when are you going to let people
> know when you are 
> making these trips some things can be planned.  You
> were a mear 20 or so 
> miles away from the striplin.net/okiebenz empire. 
> We could have had a 
> mini okieq or something.
> 
> Marshall Booth wrote:
> 
> > Took my yearly 2000+ mile trip to Oklahoma and
> back last weekend. 
> > Averaged 33.5 mpg with a high of 37.5 and a low of
> 28.5. The low was on 
> > a tank of 11% BioDiesel (actually when mixed into
> what was already 
> > there, it was more like 6-7%). That's consistent
> with what I've heard 
> > and read, but contrary to what I'd read, the
> several tankfuls of 
> > biodiesel I had previously used (all 20% from the
> Navy Annex station in 
> > Arlington VA) had given me economy at least equal
> to conventional #2.
> > 
> > I averaged about 70 mph for most of the trip
> (sustained speeds of 
> > between 55 and 85 mph at different times). I was
> driving my 190D 2.5 
> > turbo and running the AC almost continuously
> (outside temps between high 
> > 70s and mid 90s).
> > 
> > Marshall
> 
> -- 
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>   89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
>   85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>   76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
> Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
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Re: [MBZ] speedometer wrong, trip meter correct...possible?

[Christopher McCann]

That's funny. Since it is off exactly 10% (high), it's
very easy to calculate in my head...and it gives me
something to think about while I'm driving other than
what odd flammable liquids might be able to turn a
diesel over. :-)

Chris

--- David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > 3. The speedo seems fixable, but since there is a
> > replacement in the trunk (entire instr. cluster),
> I'll
> > simply swap out and verify with GPS.
> 
> Or you could do what I did with the Honda Civic I
> used to own.  I drove
> at various speeds of interest, as shown on the GPS,
> then noted the
> indicated speed.  (I did this with a tape recorder,
> so I didn't have to
> write while driving.)  Then I made up a little chart
> and taped it to the
> instrument panel, with one column for actual speeds
> and one column for
> indicated.  That way I knew that, say, to drive 70
> mph I needed to be
> going an indicated 76 mph.  This is the same concept
> as an aircraft
> compass correction card, if you've seen one of
> those.
> 
> Even brand new cars often have speedometers that
> read high.  The
> accuracy standards for speedometers were eliminated
> some time in the
> '80s; since then, the only legal requirement is that
> they not read less
> than the actual speed.  (Odometers in new cars are
> still required to
> meet a standard.  I think it's something like
> +/-5%.)
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel and BioDiesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

so he got it fixed?  What was the damage $?

Christopher McCann wrote:


I would have come just to pay homage to the DOKTOR,
except I was bailing Jim and his shot tranny pump 300D
out...which is now fixed, BTW. Looked at the old pump.
Interesting. Amazing what a cracked and wobbling
bushing will do.

Chris

--- "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Well heck Marshall, when are you going to let people
know when you are 
making these trips some things can be planned.  You
were a mear 20 or so 
miles away from the striplin.net/okiebenz empire. 
We could have had a 
mini okieq or something.


Marshall Booth wrote:



Took my yearly 2000+ mile trip to Oklahoma and


back last weekend. 


Averaged 33.5 mpg with a high of 37.5 and a low of


28.5. The low was on 


a tank of 11% BioDiesel (actually when mixed into


what was already 


there, it was more like 6-7%). That's consistent


with what I've heard 


and read, but contrary to what I'd read, the


several tankfuls of 


biodiesel I had previously used (all 20% from the


Navy Annex station in 


Arlington VA) had given me economy at least equal


to conventional #2.


I averaged about 70 mph for most of the trip


(sustained speeds of 


between 55 and 85 mph at different times). I was


driving my 190D 2.5 


turbo and running the AC almost continuously


(outside temps between high 


70s and mid 90s).

Marshall


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 85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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[MBZ] Porsche

[RELNGSON]

<>

You are correct. My previous arguments referred to the vertical fan fours 
which do resemble VWs externally. BTW, which American car used the Audi/924 
block? 924 owners are still trying to live that down.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

[Peter Frederick]

The new Liberty diesel is, you guessed it, a Detroit 16:1 four banger 
with a monster turbocharger, shakes like crazy, rattles like it has 
ball bearings loose in the combustion chambers, and gets all of 21 mpg 
-- a recipe for lack of sales if I ever saw one.


What happened to the five cylinder turbo 605?

Peter

[MBZ] Porsche vs the rest

[RELNGSON]

<>

If you go back to 1956 and look at what was being coming out of England and 
Italy and then look at the 356A which even then could be a daily driver, they 
seemed so far advanced. Corvette was just getting started but...

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Swing axles?

[Peter Frederick]

I seem to remember that the Type 3s also had CV axles, ditto for the 
412 VWs.  Only the Beetle and early buses had swing axles.


Benz used a swing axle rear end from 1953 to 1973.

Peter

[MBZ] VW of America

[RELNGSON]

<>

In the US they were all distributed by Volkswagen of America. But that's 
where they came together. Even my '84 Porsche came through VOA.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Diesel and BioDiesel

[Christopher McCann]

$1200 - replaced pump with a used one and resealed the
entire tranny. Another local Indy (my old one) quoted
me $1980 to reseal a tranny (turned out he put 1 qt
too much ATF in and that is why it was leaking. I took
it out (1 qt) and it's been fine ever since, HENCE he
is my OLD indy).

Chris

--- "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> so he got it fixed?  What was the damage $?
> 
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> 
> > I would have come just to pay homage to the
> DOKTOR,
> > except I was bailing Jim and his shot tranny pump
> 300D
> > out...which is now fixed, BTW. Looked at the old
> pump.
> > Interesting. Amazing what a cracked and wobbling
> > bushing will do.
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > --- "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Well heck Marshall, when are you going to let
> people
> >>know when you are 
> >>making these trips some things can be planned. 
> You
> >>were a mear 20 or so 
> >>miles away from the striplin.net/okiebenz empire. 
> >>We could have had a 
> >>mini okieq or something.
> >>
> >>Marshall Booth wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Took my yearly 2000+ mile trip to Oklahoma and
> >>
> >>back last weekend. 
> >>
> >>>Averaged 33.5 mpg with a high of 37.5 and a low
> of
> >>
> >>28.5. The low was on 
> >>
> >>>a tank of 11% BioDiesel (actually when mixed into
> >>
> >>what was already 
> >>
> >>>there, it was more like 6-7%). That's consistent
> >>
> >>with what I've heard 
> >>
> >>>and read, but contrary to what I'd read, the
> >>
> >>several tankfuls of 
> >>
> >>>biodiesel I had previously used (all 20% from the
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Tom Hargrave]

So, which American car used the Audi/924 block? Was it the original Chrysler
K car?
 

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<>

You are correct. My previous arguments referred to the vertical fan fours
which do resemble VWs externally. BTW, which American car used the Audi/924
block? 924 owners are still trying to live that down.

RLE 

Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Mike Canfield]

Was that the one used in the 78-9 AMC Spirit GT?  Mike
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  <>

  You are correct. My previous arguments referred to the vertical fan fours 
which do resemble VWs externally. BTW, which American car used the Audi/924 
block? 924 owners are still trying to live that down.

  RLE 


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[MBZ] 190D tires

[Ron Dwelle]

My son has taken over my wife's 85 190D 2.5 Euro and taken it off to 
college. It's in need of new tires. Currently, I have on it Nokian NRWs 
which have been excellent, but replacing them would be quite expensive 
and probably overkill for his needs (which are to drive 15 miles 4 days 
a week, to work, occasionally in snow--in  Michigan. And, I suppose, 
picking up girls or whatever).


Looking at Tire Rack, the best deal may be the Kumho Solus KH16. Anyone 
have experience with them?


Any other suggestions for a good but cheap all-weather tire?

Thanks,
Ron Dwelle

[MBZ] C320

[RELNGSON]

For those who are always looking for something to criticize about the present 
models, here's some ammo. My C320 has developed a fuel leak, or perhaps seep 
would be the word for now. I jacked it up today (lifted by the diff) and 
searched with a light, finding nothing. The fuel filter, above the left 
bellypan is 
dry. The two tanks ahead of the axle under the floor are too protected to be 
very visible. I'm wondering about the sender (2) gaskets. And, I don't know 
where the charcoal canister is located.

I suppose I could search with a match

RLE/good thing it's still under warranty

[MBZ] Audi/AMC

[RELNGSON]

<>

It was an AMC car and for some reason I thought it was the Pacer. You may be 
right.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Mitch Haley]

> Tom Hargrave wrote:
> 
> So, which American car used the Audi/924 block? Was it the original Chrysler 
> K car?

Nope, Mitsubishi 2.6L or Mopar 2.2L in the K.
Horizon got VW 1.7, Peugot 1.6L, or Mopar 2.2L, all 1978-1981 had VW.

Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Tom Hargrave]

I remember the VW engine. I drove a Dodge Omni with a VW engine. So, which
American car used the Audi/924 block? 


Thanks,
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche

> Tom Hargrave wrote:
> 
> So, which American car used the Audi/924 block? Was it the original
Chrysler K car?

Nope, Mitsubishi 2.6L or Mopar 2.2L in the K.
Horizon got VW 1.7, Peugot 1.6L, or Mopar 2.2L, all 1978-1981 had VW.

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Re: [MBZ] Audi/AMC

[Tom Hargrave]

The pacer, at least one model, had an in line 6. One of my Brothers owned
on, what an ugly car!
 

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<>

It was an AMC car and for some reason I thought it was the Pacer. You may be
right.

RLE 

Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, I thought they were supposed to put a MB engine in it.  Makes no 
sense sincemb had plenty of diesel engines.  In fact, I think its about 
time to start putting MB truck engines in the rams.


Peter Frederick wrote:

The new Liberty diesel is, you guessed it, a Detroit 16:1 four banger 
with a monster turbocharger, shakes like crazy, rattles like it has 
ball bearings loose in the combustion chambers, and gets all of 21 mpg 
-- a recipe for lack of sales if I ever saw one.


What happened to the five cylinder turbo 605?

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Swing axles?

[Richard Smith]

And the early Ghia's too!

On 9/13/05, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> I seem to remember that the Type 3s also had CV axles, ditto for the
> 412 VWs. Only the Beetle and early buses had swing axles.
> 
> Benz used a swing axle rear end from 1953 to 1973.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche and VW group

[Roberto]

As far as I know the Porche 914 was a VW & Porche project that Porche finaly 
got as own, but the engine was a VW T4 farly used in the VW buses and a few 
other cars.
In the same subject VW and Porche share the same founder Ferdinad Porche and is 
not a surprise that thisproduce very simylar products at the beginigs of the 
time, but I said symylar no same or equal, in the parts shared for diferent car 
companys my VW Westfalia Camper has a ATE calipers as same of my 1972 W108 as 
well as the distributor from bosch (of course my VW use a 4 lube cam and my 
w108 has a six lobe cam but is the same dizzy) I can use my mercedes wheels in 
my VW as well the list coud be longer but some examples are enough to said that 
a few years ago VW, Porche and Mercedes share some components en tecnology as 
well but are diferents companys. As far as I know. like I said.

Roberto

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1965 VW Beetle
1972 W108 280S
1977 VW Westfalia
197? Porche (wanted, not owned yet)

Re: [MBZ] Diesel priced lower than gasoline around here...

[OK Don]

The price differential was close to 30 cents (in Diesel's favor) in
OKC, but it's down to 7 cents today. Diesel at $2.60, unleaded at
$2.67.

On 9/13/05, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> Cheaper by 30 cents a gallon here in Upstate, NY.  Mike 

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Mike Canfield]

I too had an Omni with the 1.6 motor...Was a pretty good little car really 
for what it was.  Mike
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I remember the VW engine. I drove a Dodge Omni with a VW engine. So, which
American car used the Audi/924 block?


Thanks,
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Tom Hargrave wrote:

So, which American car used the Audi/924 block? Was it the original

Chrysler K car?

Nope, Mitsubishi 2.6L or Mopar 2.2L in the K.
Horizon got VW 1.7, Peugot 1.6L, or Mopar 2.2L, all 1978-1981 had VW.

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[MBZ] have we seen this before?

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Re: [MBZ] Audi/AMC

[Mike Canfield]

Pacers had the 232 straight 6.  Mike
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  The pacer, at least one model, had an in line 6. One of my Brothers owned on, 
what an ugly car!

  Thanks,
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  <>

  It was an AMC car and for some reason I thought it was the Pacer. You may be 
right.

  RLE 


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Re: [MBZ] Audi/AMC

[Kevin]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 10:14:15PM -0400, Mike Canfield wrote:
> Pacers had the 232 straight 6.  Mike

Except mine, which some guy shoehorned a perkins 4.154 in...

One of these days, I need to get that thing running.

K

Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Tom Hargrave]

So so car, great engine, lousy shifter, great gas mileage. But it kept
Chrysler alive!


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I too had an Omni with the 1.6 motor...Was a pretty good little car really
for what it was.  Mike
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>I remember the VW engine. I drove a Dodge Omni with a VW engine. So, 
>which  American car used the Audi/924 block?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com
>
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>
>> Tom Hargrave wrote:
>>
>> So, which American car used the Audi/924 block? Was it the original
> Chrysler K car?
>
> Nope, Mitsubishi 2.6L or Mopar 2.2L in the K.
> Horizon got VW 1.7, Peugot 1.6L, or Mopar 2.2L, all 1978-1981 had VW.
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel and BioDiesel

[OK Don]

There are enough Okies on the list to make up a small party -- you'd
have been the guest of honor!

On 9/13/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well heck Marshall, when are you going to let people know when you are
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Harry M.]

Did you know that they used VW blocks in those ? 


"Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>So so car, great engine, lousy shifter, great gas mileage. But it kept
>Chrysler alive!
>
>
>Thanks,
>Tom Hargrave
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>
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>
>I too had an Omni with the 1.6 motor...Was a pretty good little car really
>for what it was.  Mike
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>
>
>>I remember the VW engine. I drove a Dodge Omni with a VW engine. So, 
>>which  American car used the Audi/924 block?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Hargrave
>> 256-656-1924
>> www.kegkits.com
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>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
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>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche
>>
>>> Tom Hargrave wrote:
>>>
>>> So, which American car used the Audi/924 block? Was it the original
>> Chrysler K car?
>>
>> Nope, Mitsubishi 2.6L or Mopar 2.2L in the K.
>> Horizon got VW 1.7, Peugot 1.6L, or Mopar 2.2L, all 1978-1981 had VW.
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Harry M.]

Opps, just noticed someone else mentioned this about the VW engine.. disregard 
please :p


"Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I too had an Omni with the 1.6 motor...Was a pretty good little car really 
>for what it was.  Mike
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>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:54 PM
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>
>
>>I remember the VW engine. I drove a Dodge Omni with a VW engine. So, which
>> American car used the Audi/924 block?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Hargrave
>> 256-656-1924
>> www.kegkits.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:41 PM
>> To: Mercedes mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche
>>
>>> Tom Hargrave wrote:
>>>
>>> So, which American car used the Audi/924 block? Was it the original
>> Chrysler K car?
>>
>> Nope, Mitsubishi 2.6L or Mopar 2.2L in the K.
>> Horizon got VW 1.7, Peugot 1.6L, or Mopar 2.2L, all 1978-1981 had VW.
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Re: [MBZ] Audi/AMC

[Mike Canfield]

Now that sounds like my kind of carNO REALLY.A Perkins diesel in an 
AMCI must have one.LOLOLOL.Mike


PS:  Is it for sale?  ;>)
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 10:14:15PM -0400, Mike Canfield wrote:

Pacers had the 232 straight 6.  Mike


Except mine, which some guy shoehorned a perkins 4.154 in...

One of these days, I need to get that thing running.

K

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Re: [MBZ] have we seen this before?

[OK Don]

Sure looks familiar, but I couldn't say for sure. Hey - maybe you
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Re: [MBZ] Audi/AMC

[Harry M.]

Oh boy, the preggo Gremlin HA! 


"Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>The pacer, at least one model, had an in line 6. One of my Brothers owned
>on, what an ugly car!
> 
>
>Thanks,
>Tom Hargrave
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>
>
> 
>
>  _  
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:22 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [MBZ] Audi/AMC
>
>
><>
>
>It was an AMC car and for some reason I thought it was the Pacer. You may be
>right.
>
>RLE 
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Mike Canfield]

YEPRead it earlier in this post too...LOL, Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Harry " M.)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche


Did you know that they used VW blocks in those ?


"Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


So so car, great engine, lousy shifter, great gas mileage. But it kept
Chrysler alive!


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mike Canfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:13 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche

I too had an Omni with the 1.6 motor...Was a pretty good little car really
for what it was. Mike
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From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Mercedes mailing list'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche



I remember the VW engine. I drove a Dodge Omni with a VW engine. So,
which American car used the Audi/924 block?


Thanks,
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Tom Hargrave wrote:

So, which American car used the Audi/924 block? Was it the original

Chrysler K car?

Nope, Mitsubishi 2.6L or Mopar 2.2L in the K.
Horizon got VW 1.7, Peugot 1.6L, or Mopar 2.2L, all 1978-1981 had VW.

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Mike Canfield]

Dern itTOO LATE, Mike
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To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche


Opps, just noticed someone else mentioned this about the VW engine.. 
disregard please :p



"Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I too had an Omni with the 1.6 motor...Was a pretty good little car really
for what it was. Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'Mercedes mailing list'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche



I remember the VW engine. I drove a Dodge Omni with a VW engine. So, which
American car used the Audi/924 block?


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:41 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche


Tom Hargrave wrote:

So, which American car used the Audi/924 block? Was it the original

Chrysler K car?

Nope, Mitsubishi 2.6L or Mopar 2.2L in the K.
Horizon got VW 1.7, Peugot 1.6L, or Mopar 2.2L, all 1978-1981 had VW.

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel and BioDiesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yep.

OK Don wrote:


There are enough Okies on the list to make up a small party -- you'd
have been the guest of honor!

On 9/13/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well heck Marshall, when are you going to let people know when you are
making these trips some things can be planned.  





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[MBZ] Brake shims

[Mike Piles]

I noticed that there are brake shims availble for my 300SD.  Why does a disk 
brake need shimming or are they for another purpose?

Thanks
Mke Piles

Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?

[Harry M.]

Maybe I'll refrase that response, I didn't mean to say Porsche used the same 
engine in the Cayenne as VW uses in the Touareg. I meant to say they share the 
same bodies but different drivetrains are used. BTW, there is no V6 option in 
the Cayenne only in the Touareg which is in fact a Audi engine



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Harry ?M says partially incorrectly:
>
>limited 
>basis. Like for example, the Cayenne was designed by VW as the Touareg but 
>with 
>the exception of the engine they have very few interchangeable parts.>>
>
>As I previously posted, the Cayenne and Touareg share the platform and doors. 
>That's it. They certainly don't use the same engines except for the low end 
>V6 which I think is a modified Audi engine. Some would like to see the VW V-10 
>diesel in the Cayenne to which Porsche has replied "never." However, Porsche 
>has just announced at the Frankfurt Auto Show that they will collaborate with 
>VW on a hybrid.
>
>BTW, Ferry Porsche's nephew is the recently retired head of the VW Group, 
>Ferdinand Piech. That's the connection.
>
>RLE
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Cars of listing craigs seattle

[redghost]

That SLK is going to be like the pretty girl at the dance that nobody 
has the cojones to approach but the ballsy geek gets to try out the 
back seat of the shaggin wagon


On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 09:33 AM, Dave M. wrote:


Drat, I was hoping nobody had noticed. I emailed and asked if it's
driveable, no reply yet. If it won't shift into top gear then I can't
get it... would need to drive 500 miles home. I wonder if I could
modify the diesel tranny to fit, since I have a spare... all the valve
body settings would be different though (WOT upshift RPM, etc).

BTW - I'm guessing that SLK was supposed to be $13,500 or $23,500, not
$3,500. (NO idea what they're usually selling for.)

;-)

-dm


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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:17:34 -0700
From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cars of listing craigs seattle

That '94 TE is awfull tempting



http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/96678536.html  --94 TE  $3500


Casey
Olympia, WA


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[MBZ] a car for lt don

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Re: [MBZ] VW of America

[Harry M.]

That was my thought too, they were a conglomerate back in the 70's to early 80's


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

><>
>
>In the US they were all distributed by Volkswagen of America. But that's 
>where they came together. Even my '84 Porsche came through VOA.
>
>RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Swing axles?

[Harry M.]

and how many pages will be dedicated to arguments on who knew it? LOL


"Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I say we all get together and pen a book called THE MERCEDES DIESEL GROUPS 
>BOOK OF TRIVIAL CAR STUFF..We could all be rich;>), Mike
>  - Original Message -
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>  Subject: [MBZ] Swing axles?
>
>
>  < rear end as the VW. Handled like a go cart though>>
>
>  The last Porsche model to use swing axles was the 356C of 1965.
>
>  RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Harry M.]

I have to agree that Porsche went through the dumper with the 911 and the 928 
as well. Nobody was really ready for a high priced water cooled Porsche with 
the engine in front and being a V8. Decent sales of the 924, 924 turbo and the 
944 helped alot.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

><>
>
>Except for the early fifties, Porsche had done pretty well until the early 
>eighties when 911 sales were in the dumper due to prices the public finally 
>balked at. Porsche freely admits that the 944 saved the company and that after 
>that period there have been more watercooled Porsches on the road than 
>aircooled 
>which the 911 drivers of course could not face.
>
>In the mid-nineties Porsche employed a Japanese company to come in and tell 
>them how to up their quality and cut production costs. The result was the 993 
>and soon after they built the first zero-defects car in the company's history. 
>And, due to taking the Japanese advice, manufacturing cost of that model was 
>cut by one third. And no one was more surprised than I at the sales numbers of 
>the not-so-beautiful Cayenne. Turns out people will   indeed pay 100 grand for 
>an SUV if it's fast and turns and stops, unlike the others.
>
>RLE
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Re: [MBZ] a car for lt don

[LT Don]

That could be fun to drive around in. That is about 2 hours west of where I 
live. 

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Re: [MBZ] Cars of listing craigs seattle

[Royce Engler]

Hey...you talkin bout me??

Royce Engler

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cars of listing craigs seattle


That SLK is going to be like the pretty girl at the dance that nobody 
has the cojones to approach but the ballsy geek gets to try out the 
back seat of the shaggin wagon

On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 09:33 AM, Dave M. wrote:

> Drat, I was hoping nobody had noticed. I emailed and asked if it's
> driveable, no reply yet. If it won't shift into top gear then I can't
> get it... would need to drive 500 miles home. I wonder if I could
> modify the diesel tranny to fit, since I have a spare... all the valve
> body settings would be different though (WOT upshift RPM, etc).
>
> BTW - I'm guessing that SLK was supposed to be $13,500 or $23,500, not
> $3,500. (NO idea what they're usually selling for.)
>

Re: [MBZ] Zwolf bolts?

[Harry M.]

I have no doubts about what the europeans believe to be a true sports car to 
be. Had my chance a few years ago to snatch up a real sweet deal on a 911 
turbo, I snoozed to late


David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Harry  M. wrote:
>> Thats cause it wasn't, same engine pretty much and the same old swing
>> axel rear end as the VW. Handled like a go cart though
>
>Yeah, I guess it sorta depends on what you think makes a sports car.
>These days it's mostly about 0-60 time and top speed, but back when the
>356 was made, and to some extent the 914, the European idea of what made
>a sports car was all about handling.
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Re: [MBZ] J**ps (was: Re: The new G-Wagen)

[redghost]

I just smile and take another swig of beer while with him.  so my 
explain is really weak.  Will give it a try though


We hit the PnP every so often to get goodies.  He is after dead 
cherokees and Exploders to make the crummy Dana gearing in the back of 
his work.  He figured out the Ford axle works great at the rear, but 
you have to move brake lines and shock mounts.  Hooks up at the U joint 
 He also lifted his a bit. so there is a little chance he could lose 
the shaft at the TC.  His is a late 80's 4L, and according to him, the 
back end cone got upgraded with a sort of locking pin to keep the TC 
sealed if you lost the back shaft, instead of losing all fluid when the 
shaft gets pooped out.  Must reduce slip out, to shear off at the U 
joint.  Upgraded cone in the 94? maybe.


As for gearing,  I suspect he is looking for the better (lower) gearing 
offered in later model diff.


Sorry for clueless ramblings.  If this actually makes sense, I will 
have to drink another beer.


On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 11:21 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:


hi Clay!

   can you expound some more on what BiL's doing?

   never heard of anyone taking anything off of an Exploder to put on 
an

XJ except for the rear disc brakes, and that doesn't have anything to
do with the gearing...

   likewise, what exactly are you talking about WRT the T'Case? "the 
seal

will pop and poop the shaft out"?
   XJ T'Cases were made with slip-yokes at the rear output, and some
people will pull the yoke out of the T'Case while flexing up if they've
lifted the rig and not compensated for the change in driveline length,
but i've never heard of anyone losing a shaft because of a seal
failure,...


cheers!
e



Cherokee upgrades with Furd Exploder parts.  My BiL is in the process
of taking a salvage cherokee and has upgraded axles with exploder 
bits.
  Gets better gearing.  Has to play with the transfer case.  There is 
a

problem where the seal will pop and poop the shaft out.  Fix for that
is the newer boot.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 07:24 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


The solid axle debate is also one of those east coast/west coast
things that I think the 4x4 magazines make into a big dumb thing 
thats

really not that big a deal. On the east coast, particularly in the
northeast I'd say theres not a whole lot of rock crawling to be done
so what they California crowd values in a 4x4 is not that important.
Mostly what we've got here is mud. Southern Maine in particular has
sink it to the axles clay/sand mud that'll get yeh.

For a woods truck I place more value on things like a limited slip 
(or

locker) in the  diff and a manageable amount of power. Too often
during hunting season we'll ease through a tough spot following a
trail of parts and gear oil up to the guy with the big block V8 thats
gotten too happy with the go pedal.
My Dad has a Liberty with a limited slip rear end and for normal
conditions its not bad at all. He had a Chevy Tracker before that 
also
with a limited slip that was nice. My mother had a Cherokee that was 
a
steaming pile of dog crap in the woods. Had way too much power for 
the

gearing, and bad clearance. Places the Tracker could slide through in
2wd with the limited slip just barely engaging the Cherokee could
barely bounce through in 4wd churning snorting and sucking fuel like
it was going out of style. I hated that Cherokee...

-Curt

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] The new G-Wagen


Could someone elaborate why a solid axle is preferable to independent
suspension when it comes to a 4x4?

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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

[John M McIntosh]

AH, that explains it, I was wondering because Consumer Reports talked  
about how that
engine in real world conditions got 50% less MPG than EPA numbers. I  
couldn't understand
if it was a CDI MB engine why the numbers could be so skewed/wrong/ 
deceitful.


Lets see
"VM Motori, which is owned in part by Detroit Diesel, a  
DaimlerChrysler company, is the manufacturer of the engine."

&
"The engine produces 160 horsepower and gets an estimated fuel  
economy of 22 miles city and 27 miles highway."


On 13-Sep-05, at 5:53 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:


The new Liberty diesel is, you guessed it, a Detroit 16:1 four banger
with a monster turbocharger, shakes like crazy, rattles like it has
ball bearings loose in the combustion chambers, and gets all of 21 mpg
-- a recipe for lack of sales if I ever saw one.

What happened to the five cylinder turbo 605?

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Zwolf bolts?

[Harry M.]

If you think about it they are more concerned with how the car behaves at high 
speeds and having a balanced chassis is the ket part. Same reason I dumped my 
Cobra Mustang because it was a nightmare in the handling department because of 
to much front weight bias. Fast car though


David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Harry  M. wrote:
>> Thats cause it wasn't, same engine pretty much and the same old swing
>> axel rear end as the VW. Handled like a go cart though
>
>Yeah, I guess it sorta depends on what you think makes a sports car.
>These days it's mostly about 0-60 time and top speed, but back when the
>356 was made, and to some extent the 914, the European idea of what made
>a sports car was all about handling.
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Re: [MBZ] a car for lt don

[OK Don]

Ask if the heater fan works.  ..-.   ...   --

If it doesn't, I'll tell you how to change it in 6 hours instead of
20, but I won't do it again.


On 9/13/05, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That could be fun to drive around in.  That is about 2 hours west of where I
> live. 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?

[Jeff Zedic]

But Posche has made loads of diesels in the past! Why not now


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

[Jeff Zedic]

You can  have a PT Cruiser, Dodge Grand Voyager or Cheap Cherokee all 
with diesel in Europe...I think the 2.7 CDI from the M Class.


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

[OK Don]

Hmmm - wonder if I could buy the engine and have it shipped over for
my Grand Voyager? The original 3.3 engine uses more oil (Mobil 1 since
new) and has needed more repairs than any of my Benzs (SLC excluded)
from '97 to date.

On 9/13/05, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can  have a PT Cruiser, Dodge Grand Voyager or Cheap Cherokee all
> with diesel in Europe...I think the 2.7 CDI from the M Class.
> 
> Jeff Zedic
> Toronto
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Cimarron

[Harry M.]

Oh, you're right about that, my bad.. If I'm not mistaken the 914 was 
essentially a true Porsche but it did use a 1.7 VW engine. The 912 was 4 cyl 
version of the 911



David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Harry  M. wrote:
>> Refering to the Karmann Ghia, nothing more then a upside down bathtub with 
>> wheels
>
>No, he means the Porsche 914.  It was made by Porsche, but shared most
>of its engine components with the 1972 and up VW Bus and the other VWs
>that used Type IV engines.  The Porsche version had some minor changes
>that got it up to about 90 horsepower instead of 72.  It still made all
>those clattery VW noises, though, which were much more obvious in a
>mid-engine car -- one magazine compared it to sitting in front of a
>metal stamping plant.
>
>There aren't many 914s around anymore in the rust belt, because they
>suffered from severe frame rust.  Eventually they'd get so bad the doors
>would jam if you took the roof panel off.
>
>I think there was another Porsche with the same engine...the 912E, or
>something like that?  It looked like a 911, but had that same little
>flat four in it.
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Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?

[Harry M.]

I heard rumor that Porsche dumped the idea for the diesel in the Cayenne for 
the same reason VW did. Not cost effective, in otherwards why would someone 
want to spend $80 K on a Porsche with a diesel just to save fuel? 


Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>But Posche has made loads of diesels in the past! Why not now
>
>
>Jeff Zedic
>Toronto
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Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?

[Jeff Zedic]

But my point is that Porsche has made diesels for 50 
yearsalmost.they are thinking of toying with a sports version 
but it's just a rumour.


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?

[Jeff Zedic]

Look at the S400 CDI! It has more torque than the Ferrari 550 Maranello! 
That's what gets you up and going in the morning...TORQUE!!


And who were those guys racing a diesel car at the last Le Mans?? Their 
biggest problem was from all the torque chewing up their multi disc 
clutch!!


Something insane like 1100nm!


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] Cimarron

[Harry M.]

BOP pattern maybe but somewhere up there in GM land I thing someones screws 
were loose


"Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>That's the BOP bolt patternBuick, Olds, Pontiac.  Mike
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Harry " M.)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
>
>
>I had that experience with a small block Pontiac motor where I couldn't use 
>a Chevy 350 trans but instead it was a Olds 350 transmission. Something 
>different with the bellhousings and where the engine bolts up was different. 
>Buick and Pontiac back in the 70's and early 80's used a turbo hydramatic 
>200, the metric trans they called it. junk I call it
>
>
>
>JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>as late as the late 70s there were some substantial differences between
>>identical GM cars, most obvious being that each division had their own
>>engines. in other words, a chevy, olds and buick 350 were all different
>>engines. other little things included such idiosyncrasies as buick not
>>letting chevy build turbo 350 transmissions for them, but building them in
>>house from kits.
>>
>>
>>At 12:18 PM 9/13/2005, you wrote:
>>>De plane! De plane!
>>>
>>>Answer: yes!
>>>
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>> > could you order a volare with rich corinthian leather?
>>> >
>>> > At 10:16 AM 9/13/2005, you wrote:
>>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> When will people learn that a
>>> >>> vehicle isn't better because its a Caddy (or an MB for that matter ;)
>>> >>> just because its a Caddy is probably a better question ;)
>>> >>
>>> >> Fascinating, isn't it? The nameplates at GM ceased to have any deep
>>> >> differences, aside from suspension tuning and trim, more than 20 years
>>> ago,
>>> >> but people still swear by 'their' make.
>>> >>
>>> >> Case in point: When I worked for Budget, we had a huge fleet of Dodge
>>> Aspens
>>> >> and Plymouth Volares.
>>> >>
>>> >> Now these were the SAME car, in fact they came off the same line. We 
>>> >> had
>>> >> some cars delivered with Dodge moldings (wider) and nameplates on one
>>> side,
>>> >> Plymouth on the other
>>> >>
>>> >> Yet we had customers who swore the Aspen was a delight to drive, but 
>>> >> the
>>> >> Volare was a nightmare. Incredible.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mac
>>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Zeitgeist]

The Omni/Horizons used a VW 1.7L engine.  I encountered an AMC logo'd
version of the 924 engine in a wrecking yard some 15 years ago and
have been puzzled by it ever since.  The engine was already pulled, so
I couldn't figure out it's source vehicle.

You are correct. My previous arguments referred to the vertical fan fours
which do resemble VWs externally. BTW, which American car used the Audi/924
block? 924 owners are still trying to live that down.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (209k)
'84 300D (204k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (185K)

Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?

[Harry M.]

You got one thing right about torque from a diesel, they really kick it out. 
Helped a friend with his Duramax when he put a chip in it and also used propane 
injection. That thing spun so hard it twisted the U joints and bent the drive 
shaft


Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Look at the S400 CDI! It has more torque than the Ferrari 550 Maranello! 
>That's what gets you up and going in the morning...TORQUE!!
>
>And who were those guys racing a diesel car at the last Le Mans?? Their 
>biggest problem was from all the torque chewing up their multi disc 
>clutch!!
>
>Something insane like 1100nm!
>
>
>Jeff Zedic
>Toronto
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel and BioDiesel

[Richard Smith]

We would have all driven to Kaleb's just for the honor of meeting the good 
Doktor!

On 9/13/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> yep.
> 
> OK Don wrote:
> 
> > There are enough Okies on the list to make up a small party -- you'd
> > have been the guest of honor!
> >
> > On 9/13/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Well heck Marshall, when are you going to let people know when you are
> >>making these trips some things can be planned.
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?

[Mitch Haley]

Harry  M.) wrote:
> 
> You got one thing right about torque from a diesel, they really kick it out. 
> Helped a friend with his Duramax when he put a chip in it and also used 
> propane injection. 

Not always a good combination. A lot of the tuning programs advance the timing. 
Propane
effectively advances the timing. With the wrong software, propane can put a rod 
through
the block sooner than you might think. There was a guy on a Ford forum a few 
years ago
bragging about how much power he was getting from a very severe chip (maybe 
bullydog?) in
combination with propane. A week later he was complaining that his month old, 
totally
stock 7.3 put a rod through the block and Ford was dragging their feet about 
fixing it. 
If I'd have known who his dealer was, I'd have sent them copies of his web 
postings.

Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

[Luther Gulseth]

HELL NO.  The damn MB engines are made by Detroit.  Cummins makes a MUCH  
better product.  MB makes a (well, this is questionable) kick ass car  
engine, but that's what's made in the Mother Land.



On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:01:11 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



yea, I thought they were supposed to put a MB engine in it.  Makes no
sense sincemb had plenty of diesel engines.  In fact, I think its about
time to start putting MB truck engines in the rams.





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'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
'82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)

Re: [MBZ] Brake shims

[Peter Frederick]

Depending on the pad, sometimes there are shims between pad and piston 
to reduce or eliminate squeal.  On older cars, there were shims under 
the caliper mount bolts to adjust alignment of the caliper with the 
rotor, although I personally have never seen them on any of my cars.


peter
On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 09:26 PM, Mike Piles wrote:

I noticed that there are brake shims availble for my 300SD.  Why does 
a disk brake need shimming or are they for another purpose?

 
Thanks
Mke Piles
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[MBZ] Porsche importers

[RELNGSON]

<>

I am not sure what this means but, after Porsche of America Corp. went away, 
Porsche contracted with VW of America to distribute their cars and parts. 
Except in the Northwest where Riviera Motors of Beaverton OR (later Porsche 
Cars 
Northwest) remained as the last independent Porsche distributor, dealing 
directly with the factory.

Riviera was owned by Knute Qvale, brother of Kjell Qvale of SFO who owned 
British Motor Cars. Both were multi-millionaires.

RLE

[MBZ] Porsche's saviour

[RELNGSON]

<>

Sales of the 944 (83-89) saved the company, plain and simple. Their words. 
What finally killed them was the 50K price and still four cylinders. Even 
though 
the 944 Turbo was a 150+mph car.

As to the 928, it was launched as an SL competitor which never went anyplace. 


RLE

Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Rory]

My dad is an Indy general mechanic in Cloverdale, OR. He told me of the AM 
General postal delivery vehicle which he had worked on. I was amazed to hear 
that this vehicle was a conglomeration of parts from different 
manufacturers, the engine being supplied by Porsche, a 2.4l four cyl.

-- 
Rory Morrison
Oroville, WA
1985 300SD
1982 300TD

[MBZ] Porsche diesels

[RELNGSON]

<>

You mean the Porsche Diesel tractor, don't you, you rascal? There were about 
five of them (restored) at the recent Porsche Parade in Hershey PA. As I 
recall, you had a choice of 1, 2, or 3 cylinders.

Without researching it, I think they were made by someone else using the name 
but a lot of US Porsche owners own them.

RLE

[MBZ] More Vo-po

[RELNGSON]

<,If I'm not mistaken the 914 was essentially a true Porsche but it did use a 
1.7 VW engine.>>

The 914-4's engine progressed to 1.8 and then 2.0 in 1973. Not to mention the 
914-6 with the 2 liter 911 engine. A close friend who just took delivery of 
an '06 997S has owned a flawless 1973 914 2.0 since new, 32 years and 55000 
miles. I can't find even one rock chip on it. It's worth 10 grand, apparently.

BTW, Vo-Po is the scornful name the Germans used for the 914 since it was 
marketed there as a Volkswagen-Porsche. Vo-Po was also the hated term for the 
East German police.

RLE

[MBZ] Totaled my 240D (mostly for Seattle-area folks)

[David Goldsmith]

Hi, folks!  So, it was bound to happen sooner or
later, given the miles I was logging: I crumpled my
'82 240D.  :((  Despite severe front end damage, much
of the engine (e.g., new battery, alternator, Viton
fuel return lines, strong engine largely serviceable I
think) and body (everything from the front doors back,
new Goodyear tires) is usable.  It sits in the tow lot
at the NW corner of Mercer and Fairview in Seattle -
if interested, please go inspect ASAP (@ $31/day, I
need to get it out of the lot ASAP) and email or call
me at 360-481-3800 if you want to make an offer (e.g.,
you pay to tow away).

Bummed,

DG



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[MBZ] Touareg diesel

[RELNGSON]

<>

Porsche never intended to power the Cayenne with a diesel. And the Touareg 
V-10 turbodiesel is sold everywhere but here where it ran afoul of the EPA and 
it was pulled. A friend had signed the deal to swap his ML for one when all 
orders were cancelled by VW. It may come back when the low sulfur diesel shows 
up 
here.

Anyhow, The Cayenne's next big powerplant will be some kind of hybrid 
developed with VW. Of course, three weeks ago the story was they were talking 
with 
Toyota about their hybrids. Pick a rumor.

RLE

[MBZ] Truck engines

[RELNGSON]

<>

Mercedes Benz, being the largest truck manufacturer on the planet, builds 
their own engines in Stuttgart, for one place. There is a website someplace 
that 
shows them all.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Totaled my 240D (mostly for Seattle-area folks)

[Steve MacSween]

Sorry to hear that... is it stick or auto? What mileage?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi, folks!  So, it was bound to happen sooner or
> later, given the miles I was logging: I crumpled my
> '82 240D.  :((  Despite severe front end damage, much
> of the engine (e.g., new battery, alternator, Viton
> fuel return lines, strong engine largely serviceable I
> think) and body (everything from the front doors back,
> new Goodyear tires) is usable.  It sits in the tow lot
> at the NW corner of Mercer and Fairview in Seattle -
> if interested, please go inspect ASAP (@ $31/day, I
> need to get it out of the lot ASAP) and email or call
> me at 360-481-3800 if you want to make an offer (e.g.,
> you pay to tow away).
> 
> Bummed,
> 
> DG
> 
> 
> 

Re: [MBZ] Diesel priced lower than gasoline around here...

[Gabriel S.]

oh screw all of you guys!

On 9/13/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> The price differential was close to 30 cents (in Diesel's favor) in
> OKC, but it's down to 7 cents today. Diesel at $2.60, unleaded at
> $2.67.
> 
> On 9/13/05, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Cheaper by 30 cents a gallon here in Upstate, NY. Mike
> 
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> '78 450SLC
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Re: [MBZ] Audi/AMC

[kevin kraly]

Except mine, which some guy shoehorned a perkins 4.154 in...

One of these days, I need to get that thing running.


How would a 617 engine fit into a Pacer?  Now that could certainly confuse 
people.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1978 300CD 200K+ miles, Vinnie 

Re: [MBZ] Totaled my 240D (mostly for Seattle-area folks)

[David Goldsmith]

Converted (to) stick; 2023XX miles, I think about 5K
on  the tires, unsure about the tranny.

DG

--- Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Sorry to hear that... is it stick or auto? What
> mileage?
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hi, folks!  So, it was bound to happen sooner or
> > later, given the miles I was logging: I crumpled
> my
> > '82 240D.  :((  Despite severe front end damage,
> much
> > of the engine (e.g., new battery, alternator,
> Viton
> > fuel return lines, strong engine largely
> serviceable I
> > think) and body (everything from the front doors
> back,
> > new Goodyear tires) is usable.  It sits in the tow
> lot
> > at the NW corner of Mercer and Fairview in Seattle
> -
> > if interested, please go inspect ASAP (@ $31/day,
> I
> > need to get it out of the lot ASAP) and email or
> call
> > me at 360-481-3800 if you want to make an offer
> (e.g.,
> > you pay to tow away).
> > 
> > Bummed,
> > 
> > DG
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel priced lower than gasoline around here...

[Mike Canfield]

If yer brave offroad diesel(high sulfer, less tax) is only $2.499 in Northern 
PA.  Gotta love the offroad stuffRuns way better in my 6.9 Ford van.   Mike
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gabriel S. 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Mercedes mailing list 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel priced lower than gasoline around here...


  oh screw all of you guys!


  On 9/13/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
The price differential was close to 30 cents (in Diesel's favor) in
OKC, but it's down to 7 cents today. Diesel at $2.60, unleaded at 
$2.67.

On 9/13/05, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Cheaper by 30 cents a gallon here in Upstate, NY.  Mike

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Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?

[Potter, Tom E]

Jimmy Jackson raced the Cummins Special in the 1950 Indy 500. Turbo
problems forced them out, but they were doing great until then.

Thomas E. Potter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:26 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?


...And who were those guys racing a diesel car at the last Le Mans??

Re: [MBZ] Totaled my 240D (mostly for Seattle-area folks)

[OK Don]

We're sorry to hear about your 240D, but it sounds like you are OK,
which is what really matters!



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'87 300SDL
'81 240D
'78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
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Re: [MBZ] Exhaust Question

[Donald Snook]

Sorry I forgot that. It is a 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo 247,XXX miles

 

 

Donald Snook wrote:

> How would I know if my exhaust is getting plugged up?   I am just 

> beginning to hear exhaust noise and I would guess something has a hole

> in it. When it idles it sounds slightly constricted.  I do seem to
have 

> more black smoke recently than I had before.  I just got back from a
900 

> mile trip where I did a lot of Italian tune-ups on the hills around 

> Branson, MO.  You should have seen some of the black clouds.

> 

> Can I replace the exhaust from the manifold back?  How expensive might

> it be?  What would be involved?

 

WHAT CAR and year? As the internal baffles age, the system gets noisier 

(well before holes or external leaks appear). Consider Bosal replacement


parts (Rusty sells them) if they make them for your year and model. They


have a lifetime warranty. Eberspaecher is the OE maker for Mercedes and 

better quality than Bosal, but the warranty is far inferior. I've used 

both and both are of GOOD quality. Replace what is bad. I've found no 

advantage to replacing exhaust parts that aren't worn out yet.

 

Marshall

 

 

Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client
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have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me.  

 

Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Potter, Tom E]

I thought it was the Dodge Omni; however, it may have been the Gremlin. One of 
the auto magazines did an article on modifying this engine 10-15 years ago. 
 

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Porsche


<>

You are correct. My previous arguments referred to the vertical fan fours which 
do resemble VWs externally. BTW, which American car used the Audi/924 block? 
924 owners are still trying to live that down.

RLE 

Re: [MBZ] Car for Lt. Don

[Donald Snook]

Did anyone look at this car? This is one ugly old benz.   

 

By the way has anyone heard from the owner of the SLK. I emailed them
yesterday the moment I saw the ad and told them I was VERY INTERESTED in
the car.  No word. At that price, I bet they had 200 emails saying the
same thing. 

 

Don Snook

90 300D 2.5 

 

 

Kaleb wrote:

 

Message: 9

Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:44:00 -0500

From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: [MBZ] a car for lt don

To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-220-1969-Mercede
s-Benz-220_W0QQitemZ4574517434QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK

 

 

 

 

Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Mike Canfield]

Would have been the SpiritThe Gremlin was long gone by the time the Omni 
came out.  I have been trying to call my best friendHe has about every AMC 
book out there so I will try to find out for sure.  Mike
  - Original Message - 
  From: Potter, Tom E 
  To: Mercedes mailing list 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche


  I thought it was the Dodge Omni; however, it may have been the Gremlin. One 
of the auto magazines did an article on modifying this engine 10-15 years ago. 

  Thomas E. Potter
  Telephone: (713) 215-2877
  Fax: (713) 215-2551
  Mobile: (832) 794-0536


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<>

You are correct. My previous arguments referred to the vertical fan fours 
which do resemble VWs externally. BTW, which American car used the Audi/924 
block? 924 owners are still trying to live that down.

RLE 


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Re: [MBZ] Car for Lt. Don

[Mike Canfield]

Just looked at itLooks in OK shape even though it is ugly.  Wish it had 
more pics.  Mike
  - Original Message - 
  From: Donald Snook 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for Lt. Don


  Did anyone look at this car? This is one ugly old benz.   



  By the way has anyone heard from the owner of the SLK. I emailed them 
yesterday the moment I saw the ad and told them I was VERY INTERESTED in the 
car.  No word. At that price, I bet they had 200 emails saying the same thing. 



  Don Snook

  90 300D 2.5 





  Kaleb wrote:



  Message: 9

  Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:44:00 -0500

  From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  Subject: [MBZ] a car for lt don

  To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed



  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-220-1969-Mercedes-Benz-220_W0QQitemZ4574517434QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[Steve MacSween]

The very early Dodge Omnis / Plymouth Horizons used the entire VW engine and
transaxle, though for some reason this was not promoted. Later they had
Mitsu and then Chrysler power, right? I am digging far back into the sands
of time here, so I may be like Wile E. Coyote, confusibus maxiumus.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Would have been the SpiritThe Gremlin was long gone by the time the Omni
came out.  I have been trying to call my best friendHe has about every
AMC book out there so I will try to find out for sure.  Mike
- Original Message -
From: Potter, Tom E 
To: Mercedes mailing list 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche

I thought it was the Dodge Omni; however, it may have been the Gremlin. One
of the auto magazines did an article on modifying this engine 10-15 years
ago. 
 
Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536
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Subject: [MBZ] Porsche

<>

You are correct. My previous arguments referred to the vertical fan fours
which do resemble VWs externally. BTW, which American car used the Audi/924
block? 924 owners are still trying to live that down.

RLE 



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Re: [MBZ] Totaled my 240D (mostly for Seattle-area folks)

[Steve MacSween]

Okay, thanks, forgot to ask before, does it start and move under its own
power or is the front pushed in too badly?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Converted (to) stick; 2023XX miles, I think about 5K
> on  the tires, unsure about the tranny.
> 
> DG
> 
> --- Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Sorry to hear that... is it stick or auto? What
>> mileage?
>> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, folks!  So, it was bound to happen sooner or
>>> later, given the miles I was logging: I crumpled
>> my
>>> '82 240D.  :((  Despite severe front end damage,
>> much
>>> of the engine (e.g., new battery, alternator,
>> Viton
>>> fuel return lines, strong engine largely
>> serviceable I
>>> think) and body (everything from the front doors
>> back,
>>> new Goodyear tires) is usable.  It sits in the tow
>> lot
>>> at the NW corner of Mercer and Fairview in Seattle
>> -
>>> if interested, please go inspect ASAP (@ $31/day,
>> I
>>> need to get it out of the lot ASAP) and email or
>> call
>>> me at 360-481-3800 if you want to make an offer
>> (e.g.,
>>> you pay to tow away).
>>> 
>>> Bummed,
>>> 
>>> DG
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Totaled my 240D (mostly for Seattle-area folks)

[David Goldsmith]

Yes, thanks!

DG

--- OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We're sorry to hear about your 240D, but it sounds
> like you are OK,
> which is what really matters!
> 
> 
> 
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> Norman, OK 
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> '81 240D
> '78 450SLC
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