[MBZ] Double dose of anti-water today!

[Curt Raymond]

I put a whole bottle of Power Service Diesel Suppliment in Hammie today. So 
thats plenty to treat 50 gallons in about 15 gallons of fuel.
  "Why would you do a stupid thing like that?" You might ask.
  Well yesterday when I got home from work it was 55F and raining. Right now 28 
hours later its 4F and the temp continues to fall...
   
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On Sunday, Jan 15, 2006, at 18:08 US/Eastern, Brian Chase wrote:

>
> Good info about the compression test pricing. I agree. I won't have it 
> done for that much. To answer your question, I'm paying $900 for a 
> supposedly 105k engine. They say they usually charge 1,000 - 1,100 for 
> that engine, but someone initially quoted me 900, and when I told them 
> that, they said they'd let me have it for that. Not sure why they'd be 
> willing to take that loss. The shipping for about 125 mi. was some > $75.
>
Spose its not that steep for an actual 105,000. 75 for shipping is fair.


> I'm changing engines because the old one crapped out - blown head 
> gasket I'm told. Was told it'd be more expensive to go in and repair 
> the old engine. We don't know exactly why the head gasket went and the 
> engine wound up shot, because we haven't had the car in our 
> possession. Maybe it was driven around on a leaking gasket for some 
> time, then allowed to sit (it was allowed to sit).

You didn't try to run the engine?
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
>
>
Johnny B
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Q for the Mac guys

[John Berryman]

On Sunday, Jan 15, 2006, at 13:59 US/Eastern, Sunil Hari wrote:

anyone out there in want/need of a 14" iBook?  I bought it for school 
this

year, but have had no use for it.  1.42 GHz, 512 MB RAM, 60GB HD.  OS X
Tiger and Microsoft Office X already installed.


Maybe. Hit me off-list.

Johnny B
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Replacement Engine Compression

[Brian Chase]

Good info about the compression test pricing. I agree. I won't have it done 
for that much. To answer your question, I'm paying $900 for a supposedly 
105k engine. They say they usually charge 1,000 - 1,100 for that engine, but 
someone initially quoted me 900, and when I told them that, they said they'd 
let me have it for that. Not sure why they'd be willing to take that loss. 
The shipping for about 125 mi. was some $75.


I'm changing engines because the old one crapped out - blown head gasket I'm 
told. Was told it'd be more expensive to go in and repair the old engine. We 
don't know exactly why the head gasket went and the engine wound up shot, 
because we haven't had the car in our possession. Maybe it was driven around 
on a leaking gasket for some time, then allowed to sit (it was allowed to 
sit).


Brian
83 240D



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On Saturday, Jan 14, 2006, at 03:57 US/Eastern, Brian Chase wrote:

>  My indy said it's going to cost some $160 to run the compression test
> - said it'd have to be hooked up to the tranny, etc. Seems
> unreasonable, but again, it's a gamble not to do it.
>

There is no justification for a price of $160 for a compression test.
It should take less than 1/2 hour. All injectors (or GPs) need to be
removed, the proper adapter gets screwed into the hole and engine is
spun a few revolutions, the gauge is read and on to the next cylinder.
Even if a starter needs to be attached, a creative tech would be able
to rig it in minutes.

Just for the record; How much are you spending on an engine/shipping
and why are you changing engines? This may have been discussed but it
must have been before I joined Klebbie's list.

Johnny B
I Mac Therefore I am


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Re: [MBZ] Q for the Mac guys

[BillR]

If you're going to be in that range I'll give you $50.  But you guys sort it
out first, and if it doesn't go put me on the 'next' list.
BillR
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$5

I await your counter offer

On 1/15/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > How much are you asking for it?
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > Sunil Hari wrote:


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[MBZ] Re jacking the W123 rear up

[Steve & Marci]

Thanks all, for the feed back, seems that question has been settled.


Regards
Steve
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"79" 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Browser that's a close approximation of IE page displays?

[dave walton]

You have not deleted ie, but perhaps removed/hidden access to it. The
basic functionality is embedded and required by the operating system.
The core DLL's are referenced by os calls. If you delete the DLL's,
the OS will crash - more than usual.

If you dislike it that much, try Linux.

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99E300

On 1/15/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yet another computer related question.
>
> I'm working (on a Sunday!!!), and the legislative bill tracking
> webpage I'm working with doesn't display correctly in either Firefox
> or Netscape 8.0.  A while back I managed to delete IE from my machine,
> or at least to disable it from loading somehow.  I'd rather not
> download that odious MS product again, so is there another browser
> alternative that should display web tables very closely to IE
> specifications?  Is there a way to get either those other two browsers
> to display tables differently?
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[MBZ] vacuum door locks 1982 300TD wagon

[MICHAEL ESH]

Vacuum Door locks - do not function.

I think the lines in the engine bay may have been disconnected by PO  I am not 
sure and I do not have any diagrams or pictures to look at.  Is there a site 
with good pictures, etc.  or is there a good book I should be purchasing?  
There are two yellow lines coming out of the firewall.  one is bright yellow 
and the other is a darker yellow.  Are these for the door locking system?  If 
so where do they connect to the vacuum system?.

Thanks Mike
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

[Peter Frederick]

The 220D is a bit slower and a bit less thirsty.  The W123 will be 
slower yet and more thirsty, although not by much.


A good condition 220D with auto should get 32 mpg, about -- add a 
couple for a stick (desirable, as the auto is SLOW!)


Other than the displacement, the 220D and 240D w115 are just about 
identical -- both have mechanical shut-off/pull knob start.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Q for the Mac guys

[mykd1]

Panasonic Toughbooks are everything they say they are, hell the military uses 
them in the field and law enforcement equips vehicles with them. damn good 
laptop, but you'll pay big $$ for one. worth it though 
 
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rumor has it that Loren wrote:

> Gateways seem to be disasters,  Dells , as you say have problems, and I 
> know of problems with sony and toshiba too.  Nobody I know uses thinkpads, 
> and they are no longer IBM.
> 
> Bummer  Doesn't leave much to choose from except no-names
> 
> This old dell weighs about 28 pounds.  Probably why it is a survivor.

What about Panasonic?

  Philip, with a just-died Thinkpad and a
new-for-me Toughbook


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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

[Marshall Booth]

B Dike wrote:

 Dieselvolks,
  
  We're contemplating a 220D project.  Questions:  
  1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D?

  2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D?
  3. Are there any other major differences between the W115 220D and 240D?


The 220D is about 4 seconds slower then the 240D (same transmission).

Mercedes rates fuel economy of the 220D about 3 mpg better.

The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear 
problems. The later 115s were more "refined" but that had both a good 
and bad side. Friends that owned early 115s seemed to have a lot of rust 
problems - especially front inner fenders. Not as bad in the 240Ds (I 
owned a pair of them).


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[John Berryman]

On Saturday, Jan 14, 2006, at 23:05 US/Eastern, Peter Frederick wrote:


 DO NOT jack on the differential itself, though!


HUH?

Johnny B
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OT: Browser that's a close approximation of IE page displays?

[Zeitgeist]

Thanks, Opera seems to be loading the page better, but still not
exactly the same as IE.  It is allowing my to see some critical tables
that Firefox/Netscape didn't, which means I can actually get some real
work done now.

On 1/15/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You could try Opera, but I don't know if it's any closer to IE.  It's
> different from the Gecko engine used in Netscape/Firefox, though.
>
> There used to be a lot of "alternative browsers" out there for Windows
> that were really just different skins on top of the IE browser engine,
> which is a DLL that other pieces of software can load.  You could try to
> find one of those.  I can't think of the names of any, right of the bat,
> though.

Casey
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'84 300D (207k)
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

[Zeitgeist]

My '73 220D w/PS consistently got 30mpg, no matter how I drove it.  I
prefer the looks of the W115 220D to the W115 240D--more rounded hood
slope and non-federal bumpers.

On 1/15/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Depends on if the 220D is a stick or auto.  Stick will beat the 240
> every day.  I guess the 240 stick would do the same.
>
> Gump is able to get 30mpg most tanks.  I think that has more to do with
> not having anything else using HP.  The 240 would have AC, PS, and who
> knows what else they can toss in.  If there is any real HP gain to the
> 616, it would all be eaten by the accessories.  Reduce Delta V and MPG.
>   Maybe a similarly equipped  w115 would be as gutless and fuel foolish.

Casey
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'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

[redghost]

Depends on if the 220D is a stick or auto.  Stick will beat the 240 
every day.  I guess the 240 stick would do the same.


Gump is able to get 30mpg most tanks.  I think that has more to do with 
not having anything else using HP.  The 240 would have AC, PS, and who 
knows what else they can toss in.  If there is any real HP gain to the 
616, it would all be eaten by the accessories.  Reduce Delta V and MPG. 
 Maybe a similarly equipped  w115 would be as gutless and fuel foolish.


Biggest difference is that Performance Products has w123 stuff in their 
catalogue.  The w123 has lots of interesting things and bits that take 
more work to take off.  I do not own a w123 and only come across them 
in the PnP, where I take parts off.




On Sunday, January 15, 2006, at 12:33 PM, B Dike wrote:


 Dieselvolks,

  We're contemplating a 220D project.  Questions:
  1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D?
  2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D?
  3. Are there any other major differences between the W115 220D and 
240D?


  Thanks,



Bruce
82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers'
75 240D 202kmi 'Donner'
77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen'

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Browser that's a close approximation of IE page displays?

[David Brodbeck]

Zeitgeist wrote:
> I'm working (on a Sunday!!!), and the legislative bill tracking
> webpage I'm working with doesn't display correctly in either Firefox
> or Netscape 8.0.  A while back I managed to delete IE from my machine,
> or at least to disable it from loading somehow.  I'd rather not
> download that odious MS product again, so is there another browser
> alternative that should display web tables very closely to IE
> specifications?  Is there a way to get either those other two browsers
> to display tables differently?

You could try Opera, but I don't know if it's any closer to IE.  It's
different from the Gecko engine used in Netscape/Firefox, though.

There used to be a lot of "alternative browsers" out there for Windows
that were really just different skins on top of the IE browser engine,
which is a DLL that other pieces of software can load.  You could try to
find one of those.  I can't think of the names of any, right of the bat,
though.

Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[John Berryman]

On Saturday, Jan 14, 2006, at 18:42 US/Eastern, LT Don wrote:

Why would you do that, unless you are replacing the differential? Lots 
of
good jack points available that are not part of the drivetrain.  ... 
Or am I

missing something obvious?


It is the best point to jack from, especially if more than one wheel is 
to be lifted.


Johnny B
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 123 air dam

[David Brodbeck]

Karl Wittnebel wrote:
> 1) Are functional aftermarket air dams still available for 123s? I
> know racers used them some time ago.
>  
>  2) Anybody know whether they might improve mileage on the hwy?

Unlikely.  An air dam, in fact, will probably *increase* drag by adding
more frontal area.  The idea of an air dam is to create a low pressure
area under the front of the car, to add downforce.  I've never noticed
any tendancy for the front end to 'skate' on my W123, so an air dam
probably isn't necessary.

On some cars, an air dam also aids cooling by creating a low pressure
area behind the radiator, to help draw air through it.

To reduce drag from the undercarriage, you'd probably need a full belly pan.

Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[John Berryman]

On Saturday, Jan 14, 2006, at 18:25 US/Eastern, Steve & Marci wrote:

Attn 123 folks.  Is it OK to LIFT under the differential using a floor 
jack

(and wood block) ??


Yes.

Johnny B
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[David Brodbeck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> good morning...just spoke with the state patrol office and was told:
> 
> 1.if the car has a current tag, nothing more needed unless purchased as a 
> wreck 
> 
> 2. insurance is technically required, but it depends on the trooper who stops 
> you if this is inforced on the drive home (bill of sale and proximity to the 
> story being told very important)

Thanks.  That makes a lot of sense.  Getting insurance isn't really a
big problem; I have eSurance so I can just add the car and print out a
binder if I'm pretty sure I'm going to pick it up.  It was mainly the
tags I was concerned about.

Re: [MBZ] plastic oil sucker

[John Berryman]

On Saturday, Jan 14, 2006, at 16:50 US/Eastern, Karl Wittnebel wrote:

Mighty Vac. 8.8L capacity. Toolsource has the whole line of Mighty Vac 
products. Of course you can do the same with a carbuoy and a vacuum 
cleaner, but then you have an oily carbuoy and hoses sitting around. 
Haven't bought one yet, but probably will, as oil changes around here 
are about $80 for the 617.


 Karl in DC


$80.00? I hope that includes labor and a "free car wash"

Johnny B
I Mac Therefore I am

[MBZ] OT: Browser that's a close approximation of IE page displays?

[Zeitgeist]

Yet another computer related question.

I'm working (on a Sunday!!!), and the legislative bill tracking
webpage I'm working with doesn't display correctly in either Firefox
or Netscape 8.0.  A while back I managed to delete IE from my machine,
or at least to disable it from loading somehow.  I'd rather not
download that odious MS product again, so is there another browser
alternative that should display web tables very closely to IE
specifications?  Is there a way to get either those other two browsers
to display tables differently?
--
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Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

Re: [MBZ] Growling clutch, 300TD

[l02turner]

Sounds like the release bearing.  It may growl for a long time while 
continuing to work as it's only wearing when the pedal is depressed.  Then 
again, if it's falling apart instead of just running dry it could fail 
immediately.


Now, what is likely to happen next - when it goes to the shop they'll say, 
"the release bearing (may say throw-out bearing) is bad - but, while we're 
in there we should probably replace the clutch disc and pressure plate 
also."


It's a costly decision - but you'll need to base the answer on how long the 
clutch assy has been in use and get an idea from other manual tranny owners 
how long to expect a clutch to last - given your driving style.


If you should be able to expect a lot more miles on the clutch you might get 
away with just replacing the TO Bearing.  It also depends on how much of a 
gambler you are...


Good luck -

Sincerely,
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I kid  you not, but yesterday, within no more than one minute of me saying 
to
the  Treasurer, "now that we've just purchased this very expensive 
furniture,

I'll bet the wagon craps out", the clutch in the Benz began to  growl and
vibrate. One lousy minute! I could feel the vibrations through  the clutch
pedal itself, and the growling occurred when the clutch was  depressed. 
There

is a muted kind of howling when changing gear.

So  what might this be, do you think?



Euan,

Probably the throw out bearing which moves the pressure plate is bad. 
They
can make noise for a long time and not hurt anything.  As long as the 
clutch

releases properly you could take your time with this annoyance.  You  will
have to pull the trans to replace it.

Meanwhile, I would pull the fill plug on the transmission and make sure
there is some ATF in there as the noise could be coming from a dry 
gearbox,  too.
It should be right up to the bottom of the fill plug hole but could  be 
low

an inch or so and still be safe.

Regards,

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
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98 ML 320, 140 K  miles

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Re: [MBZ] Growling clutch, 300TD

[John Berryman]

On Saturday, Jan 14, 2006, at 16:27 US/Eastern, Euan wrote:


So what might this be, do you think?

Euan



throw-out bearing.

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[MBZ] 220D Questions

[B Dike]

 Dieselvolks,
  
  We're contemplating a 220D project.  Questions:  
  1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D?
  2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D?
  3. Are there any other major differences between the W115 220D and 240D?
  
  Thanks,
  


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Back in the early 80's DE Davis went to C&D as Editor.  One of the perks was 
a company car - a W123 wagon was available and they customized it. The mag 
ran an article showing the mods - + sized wheels, contrasting paint from the 
body moulding down, lowered, kick-ass stereo with multiple speakers in all 
doors, CD player (a marvel back then), gazzillion watts, etc - euro lights 
and some other goodies I can't recall.

The lowering, contrast paint below the molding and the wide, low profile mag 
wheels were very cool.  Some of the other stuff was a bit garish but it's 
all personal taste, I guess.

Sincerely,
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Subject: [MBZ] Some ideas for your 123's


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Re: [MBZ] Must.... resist.... urge....

[redghost]

Charlize Theron

drool


On Saturday, January 14, 2006, at 04:17 PM, LT Don wrote:


Cider House Rules!

On 1/15/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


... to use ether!

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Re: [MBZ] weekend cars

[redghost]

if it is around here, probably straight trade.  Small gutless 4x with 
no hauling space.  He may need something to haul kids and carpool


On Saturday, January 14, 2006, at 04:45 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


redghost wrote:


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/123764283.html  --  81 240GD


I'm not a 4x4 fan, but that's one nice looking GD.
He wants to trade it for a TD or TE. I wonder if that's
a straight trade, or he wants money too.

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Re: [MBZ] Must.... resist.... urge....

[redghost]

I missed that.  Did he use ether in the engine?  Scrap if he did.

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... to use ether!

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Re: [MBZ] I need your opinions on this HF oil extractor!

[Peter Frederick]

However, the topsider type suction tools DO allow you to change the oil 
without crawling under the car!


Not that I have one -- silly for me, as most of my cars have canister 
oil filters that cannot be removed from above anyway.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] I need your opinions on this HF oil extractor!

[John Berryman]

On Saturday, Jan 14, 2006, at 11:33 US/Eastern, dave walton wrote:


I'm curious what they use the air pressure for. Venturi vacuum?

-Dave Walton
94S350, 99E300

	I didn't open the link but from your question, I can imagine that it 
is the type I am familiar to working with. The air pressure forces a 
bladder into a cavity, when the pressure is released it creates a 
vacuum on the other side of the bladder, hence sucking whatever fluid 
the tube is immersed in into the cavity. Very quiet and effective but 
much more than the average guy on this list needs. It would be like 
buying a tractor to mow a 60'x80' lot.
	Regardless of all the hype, it still is perfectly OK to pull the drain 
plug when changing oil. At least then you can use one of the washers 
that comes with your new oil filter.


Johnny B
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Re: [MBZ] 123 vacuum challenges?

[Peter Frederick]

Likely the AC compressor is toast -- try turning the clutch by hand -- 
if it's abnormally stiff, you need to replace it -- this is a big job, 
sadly, and the system usually is full of crap that will kill a new 
compressor pretty fast.  More likely is a bad belt, though.


The AC compressor is not operated by vacuum, but by the electronics in 
the pushbutton unit.  It does cycle more than you think.


Check the operation of the shutoff solenoid, and check for oil in the 
lines to it (brown and brown with a blue stripe) -- if oil is present, 
the diaphram is leaking and needs to be replaced.  You must also 
replace the rubber connectors at the shutoff switch on the keyswitch 
and flush the lines out to get rid of the oil in ther -- it can cause 
the switch to stick, causing low performance when the shutoff solenoid 
doesn't release completely.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Q for the Mac guys

[Sunil Hari]

make me an offer, and it's yours.

On 1/15/06, Lee Einer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Lee
>
> Sunil Hari wrote:
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> this
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> >On 1/15/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >>On 1/15/06, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Gateways seem to be disasters,  Dells , as you say have problems, and
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> 
> >>I
> >>
> >>
> know of problems with sony and toshiba too.  Nobody I know uses
> 
> 
> >>thinkpads,
> >>
> >>
> and they are no longer IBM.
> 
> Bummer  Doesn't leave much to choose from except no-names
> 
> This old dell weighs about 28 pounds.  Probably why it is a survivor.
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement Engine Compression

[John Berryman]

On Saturday, Jan 14, 2006, at 03:57 US/Eastern, Brian Chase wrote:

 My indy said it's going to cost some $160 to run the compression test 
- said it'd have to be hooked up to the tranny, etc. Seems 
unreasonable, but again, it's a gamble not to do it.




	There is no justification for a price of $160 for a compression test. 
It should take less than 1/2 hour. All injectors (or GPs) need to be 
removed, the proper adapter gets screwed into the hole and engine is 
spun a few revolutions, the gauge is read and on to the next cylinder.
	Even if a starter needs to be attached, a creative tech would be able 
to rig it in minutes.


	Just for the record; How much are you spending on an engine/shipping 
and why are you changing engines? This may have been discussed but it 
must have been before I joined Klebbie's list.


Johnny B
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[MBZ] 123 vacuum challenges?

[Richard Murdoch]

Hello everyone it has been a while since I have been able to keep up with the 
list and even worse what needs to be done to our vehicles.

Our 82TDt (300D turbo wagon) runs fine first time it is started  after sitting 
a while.  If it is shut down briefly or sits for a short time it becomes very 
sluggish.  If I turn it off then wait for a bit with the key in the start 
position it will usually be back to normal when I re-start.

Shut down has also become very slow.

I was thinking the two problems might be related to the shut down assembly.  I 
had already blocked off the locking system and replaced any rubber vacuum 
connectors that were deteriorated.

Now to add to the question - I had to disconnect the AC compressor.  Everytime 
the HEAT was turned on the AC clutch or belt started screaming.  The AC and 
heat had not been responding to changes on the temp controll - but were working.

Can the climate control system be affected by engine related vacuum leaks? 
Could the compressor have been cycling on and off and causing the loss of power?

I don't think the brakes are dragging.  The the calipers and brake hoses have 
been replaced.

Any thoughts will be appreciated, mean while I will dig out the MityVac.
Sincerely,
Richard Murdoch

Re: [MBZ] Q for the Mac guys

[Lee Einer]

I may be taking a job for a local newspaper which does everything on a 
MAC OSX platform. If I get the job, I may be in the market for a Mac.


How much are you asking for it?

Lee

Sunil Hari wrote:


anyone out there in want/need of a 14" iBook?  I bought it for school this
year, but have had no use for it.  1.42 GHz, 512 MB RAM, 60GB HD.  OS X
Tiger and Microsoft Office X already installed.

On 1/15/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


The toughbook series has a good reputation, though it's pricey.
I perfer the Compaq/HP commercial line - the EVO Nxxx series.

On 1/15/06, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   


rumor has it that Loren wrote:

 


Gateways seem to be disasters,  Dells , as you say have problems, and
   


I
   


know of problems with sony and toshiba too.  Nobody I know uses
   


thinkpads,
   


and they are no longer IBM.

Bummer  Doesn't leave much to choose from except no-names

This old dell weighs about 28 pounds.  Probably why it is a survivor.
   


What about Panasonic?

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Re: [MBZ] Q for the Mac guys

[Sunil Hari]

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> thinkpads,
> > > and they are no longer IBM.
> > >
> > > Bummer  Doesn't leave much to choose from except no-names
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> > > This old dell weighs about 28 pounds.  Probably why it is a survivor.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[jjayj]

good morning...just spoke with the state patrol office and was told:

1.if the car has a current tag, nothing more needed unless purchased as a wreck 

2. insurance is technically required, but it depends on the trooper who stops 
you if this is inforced on the drive home (bill of sale and proximity to the 
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I perfer the Compaq/HP commercial line - the EVO Nxxx series.

On 1/15/06, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> rumor has it that Loren wrote:
>
> > Gateways seem to be disasters,  Dells , as you say have problems, and I
> > know of problems with sony and toshiba too.  Nobody I know uses thinkpa=
ds,
> > and they are no longer IBM.
> >
> > Bummer  Doesn't leave much to choose from except no-names
> >
> > This old dell weighs about 28 pounds.  Probably why it is a survivor.
>
> What about Panasonic?
>
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Re: [MBZ] man, I wanted this

[Hans Neureiter]

Shipping would kill me.

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> Hans --
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> Would that really make a dent in your monthly discretionary income?   :-)
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> Don
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Re: [MBZ] Some ideas for your 123's

[tom savage]

Steve & Marci wrote:

Oh Geeez, think I'm gona be sickArrr,  barf :-$ thats a disgusting 
thing to look at before breakfast.


In that case, make absolutely sure you don't click 
here:http://thomas.savage.org/hydros.jpg


If it is Playboy you seek and not snuff, this guy has collected the 
whole set: http://www.mercedesw123.info/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=874


Tom

Re: [MBZ] old mystery car

[Marshall Booth]

John Ervine wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

there are no factory v8 sticks


The 3.5L V8 would like a word with you, sir.



The 116 350SE/SEL (1972-1980) were available with manual transmissions 
(automatics were extra cost options) but NOT in the US.


Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Jim Cathey]

In OK and many other states Im sure if you buy insurance on a car
then cancel it within 6 months or so, the state will suspend your
license.


Well, we do this every few months or so when we switch our
active set of cars around.

-- Jim

[MBZ] Some ideas for your 123's

[Steve & Marci]

Oh Geeez, think I'm gona be sickArrr,  barf :-$ thats a disgusting 
thing to look at before breakfast.


Steve


Don't look Vince:-)
http://32.freebb.com/w123universe/w123universe-article13.html

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Re: [MBZ] old mystery car

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea I forgot about those.

John Ervine wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


there are no factory v8 sticks



The 3.5L V8 would like a word with you, sir.



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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] old mystery car

[John Ervine]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

there are no factory v8 sticks


The 3.5L V8 would like a word with you, sir.

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1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi

Re: [MBZ] Some ideas for your 123's

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

oh my

Hendrik Riessen wrote:


Don't look Vince:-)
http://32.freebb.com/w123universe/w123universe-article13.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Not if you have a bill of sale.

Robert & Tara Ludwick wrote:

Even if the plates stay with the car, best to take care of temp 
registration for your own protection, if the PO has a stack of parking 
tickets or worse on that tag, you'll be taking an unscheduled vacation.


-Robert

David Brodbeck wrote:


Zeitgeist wrote:
 


Tell us where the car is currently.  If the car is purchased here in
WA, unless they're vanity plates, they'll stay with the car.  Other
states may pull them, but not typically here in WA.
   


It's currently in WA.  Michigan, where I used to live, required the
seller to pull the plates and keep them, hence my confusion I suppose.

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 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The problem with getting the insurance ahead of time is that if you show 
up and the car is a POS and you dont buy it, then you have to cancel the 
insurance. In OK and many other states Im sure if you buy insurance on a 
car then cancel it within 6 months or so, the state will suspend your 
license.  Then in order to unsuspend it you have to send them proof you 
either didnt buy the car or sold it.  Its a pain.  Its supposed to stop 
people from buying cars, getting insurance to obtain a tag, then cancel 
the insurance after they have the tag. It ends up getting more innocent 
people though.


Robert & Tara Ludwick wrote:

Most states you just go to the motor vehicle dept with copy of your 
current insurance card( it's good on new purchase for 10 days, if you 
really want to impress them, get the new cars VIN# and get it on your 
insurance ahead of time and have them fax you a card for the car, it 
makes things go very smooth. I've done this buying a few vehicles in 
different states ) and buy a drive away permit.
It's been a few years since I lived in WA and had to deal with the 
gestapo there, but those cops had absolutely no sense of humor. When I 
moved up there, first day before even getting the furniture unloaded, i 
got pulled over for out of state tags and run through a serious ringer ( 
and heavily fined for having out of state plates because they ran 
utility records and found I had power in my name in WA...heck, I hadn't 
even moved in yet ) . You don't want to attract those guys attention.
Probably have to call the vehicle dept direct to get the info , doesn't 
hurt to call twice and talk to two different people so you can figure 
out what they are forgetting to tell you.





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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Mog

[Zeitgeist]

Dennis needs that, badly.  It'd be great for climbing his steep
driveway in the winter.

On 1/15/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not a beauty, but it looks like it might be a worker.
> Dunno what his reserve might be.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4605086642

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Olympia, WA
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'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

[MBZ] 240D Manny for $800

[Peter Arnold]

Check this out:

http://hartford.craigslist.org/car/121713412.html

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U.S.A.

1987 Mercedes 300SDL, 234 Kmi on Delvac1, changes when f-soot is 2%

1995 Ford F-250 W/PSD, 192 Kmi on Rotella @ 5 Kmi Changes

2002 PT Cruizer, 77 Kmi, Every 5 Kmi with what's on sale

1954 Metropolitan {My Hanger-Queen}

None use oil between changes, go figure ;-)

[MBZ] 123 air dam

[Karl Wittnebel]

OK, this may be totally frivolous, but I was driving home at 70mph last night 
against a 40mph headwind, wondering if there is anything I can do to improve 
the 123 wagon's aerodynamics. Only thing that came to mind was a front air dam, 
as I've heard that a relatively large percentage of the drag on any car comes 
from the undercarriage. Two questions:
 
 1) Are functional aftermarket air dams still available for 123s? I know racers 
used them some time ago.
 
 2) Anybody know whether they might improve mileage on the hwy?
 
 Thanks,
 Karl in DC
 


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> OK, this may be totally frivolous, but I was driving home at 70mph 
> last night against a 40mph headwind, wondering if there is anything I 
> can do to improve the 123 wagon's aerodynamics. Only thing that came 
> to mind was a front air dam, as I've heard that a relatively large 
> percentage of the drag on any car comes from the undercarriage. Two 
> questions:

I'm no boy racer, but my understanding was that air dams were all
about reducing lift on a car at high speeds by making more of a
vacuum underneath.  I've experienced such lift on my Camaro (which
has an air dam) at around 140 mph.  Scared straight!

-- Jim

[MBZ] Mog

[Jim Cathey]

It's not a beauty, but it looks like it might be a worker.
Dunno what his reserve might be.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4605086642

-- Jim

[MBZ] Some ideas for your 123's

[Hendrik Riessen]

Don't look Vince:-)
http://32.freebb.com/w123universe/w123universe-article13.html

Hendrik
who has just a little bit more taste than that

Re: [MBZ] old mystery car

[Hendrik Riessen]

I have seen a 450SLC converted to manual to rally. It is owned by Joe 
Alexander and he was not happy because they bumped him into modified class 
because the 450's never came with manual, I seem to remember him saying that 
he pulled the gearbox out of a 350SLC.
Plus there are lots of instances of Mercedes rallying SLC's and I don't 
think they where all auto or six cylinders.


Hendrik

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] old mystery car



Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

there are no factory v8 sticks



I saw a 4 speed 126 or 116 V8 (can't recall which) conversion a few
years ago at a MBCA tech session in northern VA.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] old mystery car

[Hendrik Riessen]

I think you will find the 350SL/C had a manual option.
But I could be wrong.

Hendrik

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] old mystery car



there are no factory v8 sticks

redghost wrote:


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/124629311.html

stick shift V8  euro

2500

wonder what it is

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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] Q for the Mac guys

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Loren wrote:

> Gateways seem to be disasters,  Dells , as you say have problems, and I 
> know of problems with sony and toshiba too.  Nobody I know uses thinkpads, 
> and they are no longer IBM.
> 
> Bummer  Doesn't leave much to choose from except no-names
> 
> This old dell weighs about 28 pounds.  Probably why it is a survivor.

What about Panasonic?

  Philip, with a just-died Thinkpad and a
new-for-me Toughbook

Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

Even if the plates stay with the car, best to take care of temp 
registration for your own protection, if the PO has a stack of parking 
tickets or worse on that tag, you'll be taking an unscheduled vacation.


-Robert

David Brodbeck wrote:

Zeitgeist wrote:
  

Tell us where the car is currently.  If the car is purchased here in
WA, unless they're vanity plates, they'll stay with the car.  Other
states may pull them, but not typically here in WA.



It's currently in WA.  Michigan, where I used to live, required the
seller to pull the plates and keep them, hence my confusion I suppose.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

Most states you just go to the motor vehicle dept with copy of your 
current insurance card( it's good on new purchase for 10 days, if you 
really want to impress them, get the new cars VIN# and get it on your 
insurance ahead of time and have them fax you a card for the car, it 
makes things go very smooth. I've done this buying a few vehicles in 
different states ) and buy a drive away permit.
It's been a few years since I lived in WA and had to deal with the 
gestapo there, but those cops had absolutely no sense of humor. When I 
moved up there, first day before even getting the furniture unloaded, i 
got pulled over for out of state tags and run through a serious ringer ( 
and heavily fined for having out of state plates because they ran 
utility records and found I had power in my name in WA...heck, I hadn't 
even moved in yet ) . You don't want to attract those guys attention.
Probably have to call the vehicle dept direct to get the info , doesn't 
hurt to call twice and talk to two different people so you can figure 
out what they are forgetting to tell you.


Robert

David Brodbeck wrote:

Robert & Tara Ludwick wrote:
  
If you drive anything in WA that isn't the way they want it, be prepared 
to be pulled over and have your entire life gone through. Not worth it, 
get whatever transit goodies that you need to be legal and they'll most 
likely leave you alone.



The reason I asked is it's frustratingly difficult to find out what *is*
required to be legal.  The DOL website has almost nothing; they seem to
assume you'll be buying from a dealer.  I can't find anything on the
website about whether a temporary permit is required or even available.

In Michigan temporary permits were available but weren't needed for the
initial trip to where you were going to store the car, only after.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Jim Cathey]

But won't the previous owner take off their plates when I buy the car?
Or do they stay with the car, here?


Here in WA, plates stay with the car.  (Unless 'special', like vanity
plates or WW2 veterans, etc.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[David Brodbeck]

Zeitgeist wrote:
> Tell us where the car is currently.  If the car is purchased here in
> WA, unless they're vanity plates, they'll stay with the car.  Other
> states may pull them, but not typically here in WA.

It's currently in WA.  Michigan, where I used to live, required the
seller to pull the plates and keep them, hence my confusion I suppose.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Zeitgeist]

Tell us where the car is currently.  If the car is purchased here in
WA, unless they're vanity plates, they'll stay with the car.  Other
states may pull them, but not typically here in WA.

On 1/14/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim Cathey wrote:
> > That is, a driver that you just bought is fine.  Some
> > resurrected hulk, or say, a Mog from Germany, and you need the
> > temp permit.
>
> But won't the previous owner take off their plates when I buy the car?
> Or do they stay with the car, here?

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[David Brodbeck]

Jim Cathey wrote:
> That is, a driver that you just bought is fine.  Some
> resurrected hulk, or say, a Mog from Germany, and you need the
> temp permit.

But won't the previous owner take off their plates when I buy the car?
Or do they stay with the car, here?

Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[David Brodbeck]

Robert & Tara Ludwick wrote:
> If you drive anything in WA that isn't the way they want it, be prepared 
> to be pulled over and have your entire life gone through. Not worth it, 
> get whatever transit goodies that you need to be legal and they'll most 
> likely leave you alone.

The reason I asked is it's frustratingly difficult to find out what *is*
required to be legal.  The DOL website has almost nothing; they seem to
assume you'll be buying from a dealer.  I can't find anything on the
website about whether a temporary permit is required or even available.

In Michigan temporary permits were available but weren't needed for the
initial trip to where you were going to store the car, only after.

Re: [MBZ] Rare 300D (W123) test film from 1976 German TV

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:32:48 -0500 Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Go to that page, and there are buttons to select your download.
> Hit the "Free" button. Wait about 40 seconds. When a graphic image
> of three characters appears, retype them in the box to the right,
> and click on the "start download" button.

Boy, is that obscure!

But it's downloading now.

Thanks,


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[Peter Frederick]

I think you can jack on the pivot bracket safely on the swing axle 
cars, at least I have done so.  The pivot bracket is bolted to the 
bottom of the trunk via a large rubber mount (that probably needs to be 
replaced by now!).  DO NOT jack on the differential itself, though!


It's better, though, to use the jack points.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Jim Cathey]

Is it necessary to have a temporary permit to drive a newly-purchased
car home, in WA?  In MI, where I used to live, it's legal to drive
without a plate to the "first place of storage," but I can't find any
info on whether that's legal here.


When in doubt, follow the money.  WA sells temporary permits,
so ipso facto it's not legal to drive without a license of some
sort.  But so far as I know you only need the temp permits for
something that doesn't already have some valid license in some
state.  That is, a driver that you just bought is fine.  Some
resurrected hulk, or say, a Mog from Germany, and you need the
temp permit.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Desert Rat]

A Trip Permit is required but is good only in the State of WA. Other
States issue a permit that is valid in all States. I was advised to
stop in OR and obtain another permit as I headed South to CA.

At least that is the way it was 4 years ago.

WA always needs to be a little different.

On 1/14/06, Robert & Tara Ludwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you drive anything in WA that isn't the way they want it, be prepared
> to be pulled over and have your entire life gone through. Not worth it,
> get whatever transit goodies that you need to be legal and they'll most
> likely leave you alone.
>
> -Robert
>
> Brodbeck wrote:
> > Is it necessary to have a temporary permit to drive a newly-purchased
> > car home, in WA?  In MI, where I used to live, it's legal to drive
> > without a plate to the "first place of storage," but I can't find any
> > info on whether that's legal here.
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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[Marshall Booth]

David Brodbeck wrote:

Steve & Marci wrote:
Attn 123 folks.  Is it OK to LIFT under the differential using a floor jack 
(and wood block) ??


Absolutely ok with cars with dual half axles 
(114/115/116/123/126/124/201/202, etc.). May not be acceptable with cars
with a single swing axles (110/111/108/109, etc.). DON'T crawl under a 
car supported only by a jack on the differential.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

If you drive anything in WA that isn't the way they want it, be prepared 
to be pulled over and have your entire life gone through. Not worth it, 
get whatever transit goodies that you need to be legal and they'll most 
likely leave you alone.


-Robert

Brodbeck wrote:

Is it necessary to have a temporary permit to drive a newly-purchased
car home, in WA?  In MI, where I used to live, it's legal to drive
without a plate to the "first place of storage," but I can't find any
info on whether that's legal here.

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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[John Ervine]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Is that at mats place?  How big is his shop anyways?  Im on the lookout 
for one here.


Yes, this was at Mat's shop.  Mat is extremely amazing/creative on moving cars 
into and out of his shop.  Of course, the odd Citroen tends to make one that way...


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Re: [MBZ] old mystery car

[tom savage]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

there are no factory v8 sticks


The holy grail 3.5 mit stick combo was available in the 107, 108, 109, 
and 116.  AFAIK they were all four-speeds, and of course, they are very 
very rare.


Here's one: 
http://www.oursl.com/listing-forms/listings-det.php?op=showdet&aid=171#


You could get a 140 with a stick, too.

Tom,
I'll take two

Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

this was discussed in great length,  simply put, you are fine. If you do 
get pulled over just show the cop your bill of sale.


David Brodbeck wrote:


Is it necessary to have a temporary permit to drive a newly-purchased
car home, in WA?  In MI, where I used to live, it's legal to drive
without a plate to the "first place of storage," but I can't find any
info on whether that's legal here.

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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Is that at mats place?  How big is his shop anyways?  Im on the lookout 
for one here.


John Ervine wrote:


LT Don wrote:


I cheat. Brother-in-law has the keys to the local Goodyear dealership (he is
head mechanic), so when "crawl under the car" stuff comes up, we just use
the lift.



Me too.  A two-post offset screw-type lift makes under-car work a snap.  It's 
great when you need to do stuff like, oh, I dunno, pull the motor from a 240D:


http://www.mbdiesel.net/240Denginepull.html



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Zeitgeist]

This state also requires plates, both front and back.

On 1/14/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> AFAIK, you can never drive here in WA without either some visible
> plates or a temp permit.  You must also be able to provide proof of
> insurance should you be pulled over.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

Re: [MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[Zeitgeist]

AFAIK, you can never drive here in WA without either some visible
plates or a temp permit.  You must also be able to provide proof of
insurance should you be pulled over.

On 1/14/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it necessary to have a temporary permit to drive a newly-purchased
> car home, in WA?  In MI, where I used to live, it's legal to drive
> without a plate to the "first place of storage," but I can't find any
> info on whether that's legal here.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

Re: [MBZ] old mystery car

[Marshall Booth]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

there are no factory v8 sticks



I saw a 4 speed 126 or 116 V8 (can't recall which) conversion a few 
years ago at a MBCA tech session in northern VA.


Marshall
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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

that is the preferred method.

Steve & Marci wrote:

Attn 123 folks.  Is it OK to LIFT under the differential using a floor jack 
(and wood block) ??



Regards
 Steve
"85" Euro 240D, 5 spd manual, 110K
"79" 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild
"94" Dodge/Cummins PU, 100K
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement Engine Compression/TriStar reputation

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have seen many a diesel that needed to be tow started then ran fine 
afterwards.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 1/14/2006 1:28:57 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


So for  those of us not as mechanically inclined as most of the list, it's a 
big  time matter of trust. For the general population, mechanics, just like  
doctors, plumbers, lawyers, etc. etc. have us just where they want us.  
Do-it-yourself-ers are fortunate indeed.

Brian,



I did a lot of diesel parts business with TriStar before they moved and got  
treated honestly and fairly on my parts.  They even replaced an air cleaner  
bracket (that they sold me) that lasted less than a year but warned me that my  
motor mounts were bad (true) and they wouldn't do it again.  
 
I have not dealt with them since they moved to West Broadway so do not know  
if their principles and/or principals remain the same.
 
I believe all you need to crank the engine, for a compression test, is  the 
flexplate, which has the ring gear on it.  The starter mounts on the  engine 
side of the block and the starter bolts might be a little too long  without the 
transmission, but a couple spacers should fix that!
 
Having said that, a cold cranking compression test is likely to be all over  
the map because you don't have any idea how much oil is clinging to the rings  
and cylinders.  Squirting oil in there leaves you wondering how much  
compression is from the oil and how much is from cranking.  
 
As they are currently discussing this on the Stu list, (topic was flooding  a 
diesel) even a good engine my require tow starting after sitting a long time  
because of lack of oil seal on the rings.  I say put it in and get it  
running.  If TriStar said it was good you gotta go with that.
 
And when you are totally disgusted with the 240D, bring me $4500 and you  can 
DRIVE my rust free, just broken in, 79 300SD back to Minnesota.  No  core 
charge either!
 
Good luck,  


Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 140 K  miles


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[MBZ] OT: Buying a car in WA

[David Brodbeck]

Is it necessary to have a temporary permit to drive a newly-purchased
car home, in WA?  In MI, where I used to live, it's legal to drive
without a plate to the "first place of storage," but I can't find any
info on whether that's legal here.

Re: [MBZ] old mystery car

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

there are no factory v8 sticks

redghost wrote:


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/124629311.html

stick shift V8  euro

2500

wonder what it is

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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[Steve & Marci]

Well thats what I've done since I've had 123s also, but I've heard roomers 
that its a no no. It is easy to do, for sure. There is a discussion over on 
the web forum and some, what Ive considered, pretty knowledgeable folks 
saying its not a good idea.  Just wondering if anyone around here would 
comment.   It just seems like such a pain to lift the rear any other 
way.  Were talking W123s here.


  Steve

Message: 16
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:49:54 -0800
From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123
To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

It may not be the preferred point of lift, but that's what I've been
doing for years.  It's convenient cuz it's centrally located, and only
requires you to jack once going up, and once going down.  I don't even
use the wood block, since Harbor Freight has a nifty little
rubber-faced jack pad, which helps to avoid marring any sensitive
jack-point surfaces.

On 1/14/06, Steve & Marci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Attn 123 folks.  Is it OK to LIFT under the differential using a floor jack
> (and wood block) ??

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

Re: [MBZ] Rare 300D (W123) test film from 1976 German TV

[Hendrik Riessen]

Perhaps one of our better deutsch speakers could produce a transcript of the 
more important parts, like the cross wind test. The test involves the 123 
driving at 100kmh  through a 100kmh cross wind and the deviation is then 
measured.
Mostly the bloke goes on about how good it is and that there is no real 
competitors from other manufacturers.


Hendrik
whos German is a bit rusty

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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare 300D (W123) test film from 1976 German TV


neat.  Too bad I cant understand german.

V Layton wrote:


This seems to be new on the net, sorry if you've all seen it ages ago
but I thought it was so cool I had to speak up anyway.  I've been
seeking this sort of thing for years, while this was very satisfying, it
has not exactly helped cure my desires for more W123 history!  Scroll
down to "free" and wait for a promt with an on-screen human verificaton
code type thing.  It's totally worth a look, and it's in German.

http://rapidshare.de/files/10393112/test_300d.wmv.html

Vince
Club 123D President
Aspiring W123 historian

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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[Hendrik Riessen]

Not a problem, just make sure that it is centred on the very bottom of the 
diff.
Also make sure your front wheels are blocked and of course do not get under 
a car that is only supported on a hydraulic jack. Plenty of people do but it 
is a gamble.


Hendrik

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve & Marci" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123


Attn 123 folks.  Is it OK to LIFT under the differential using a floor 
jack

(and wood block) ??


Regards
Steve
"85" Euro 240D, 5 spd manual, 110K
"79" 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild
"94" Dodge/Cummins PU, 100K
"82" TD project wagon
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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[LT Don]

Bring me one of your cars. You might as well ... no, sorry, this is NOT
Banned.  :-)

On 1/15/06, John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> LT Don wrote:
> > I gotta try that someday. Of course, "wife" [someone on here best
> described
> > it as She Who Must Be Appeased] almost choked when I trailer home the
> > project, better known as Car Number Four With Three Drivers. ... She's
> gonna
> > crap when I buy the Gold Wing this summer and refuse to sell the CB-500K
> > [unless, of course, Mitch still wants it].
>
> While you and I are far from Kaleb territory, I've 4 cars with 2
> drivers.  I
> catch hell, but not so long as I look at w109s with green interiors and
> talk
> about possible "future additions to the fleet"...  ;-)
>
> --
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> 1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
> 1980 300TD 170+kmi
> 1980 300SD 277+kmi
> 1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi
>
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Re: [MBZ] old mystery car

[Hendrik Riessen]

I seem to remember the 450's only came with autos due to the high torque.

Hendrik

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] old mystery car




In a message dated 1/14/2006 1:47:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/124629311.html

stick shift  V8  euro

2500

wonder what it is



Clay,

Probably a euro 350SE or maybe a 450SE, both V8s.  I had a 65 euro  300SE
(big 3.0 litre 6 cyl) with a 4 speed stick.  Very stout!  It was  serial 
number

52, wish I still had it

Regards,

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 140 K  miles

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Re: [MBZ] Must.... resist.... urge....

[Rick Knoble]

JUst buy it
Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
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From: "redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Must resist urge



http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/124882537.html

maybe Jim needs this


or Casey


anybody?
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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[John Ervine]

LT Don wrote:

I gotta try that someday. Of course, "wife" [someone on here best described
it as She Who Must Be Appeased] almost choked when I trailer home the
project, better known as Car Number Four With Three Drivers. ... She's gonna
crap when I buy the Gold Wing this summer and refuse to sell the CB-500K
[unless, of course, Mitch still wants it].


While you and I are far from Kaleb territory, I've 4 cars with 2 drivers.  I 
catch hell, but not so long as I look at w109s with green interiors and talk 
about possible "future additions to the fleet"...  ;-)


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1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi

Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[LT Don]

I gotta try that someday. Of course, "wife" [someone on here best described
it as She Who Must Be Appeased] almost choked when I trailer home the
project, better known as Car Number Four With Three Drivers. ... She's gonna
crap when I buy the Gold Wing this summer and refuse to sell the CB-500K
[unless, of course, Mitch still wants it].

On 1/15/06, John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> LT Don wrote:
> > I cheat. Brother-in-law has the keys to the local Goodyear dealership
> (he is
> > head mechanic), so when "crawl under the car" stuff comes up, we just
> use
> > the lift.
>
> Me too.  A two-post offset screw-type lift makes under-car work a
> snap.  It's
> great when you need to do stuff like, oh, I dunno, pull the motor from a
> 240D:
>
> http://www.mbdiesel.net/240Denginepull.html
>
> --
> John L. Ervine
> 1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
> 1980 300TD 170+kmi
> 1980 300SD 277+kmi
> 1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi
>
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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[John Ervine]

LT Don wrote:

I cheat. Brother-in-law has the keys to the local Goodyear dealership (he is
head mechanic), so when "crawl under the car" stuff comes up, we just use
the lift.


Me too.  A two-post offset screw-type lift makes under-car work a snap.  It's 
great when you need to do stuff like, oh, I dunno, pull the motor from a 240D:


http://www.mbdiesel.net/240Denginepull.html

--
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1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi

Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[LT Don]

I cheat. Brother-in-law has the keys to the local Goodyear dealership (he is
head mechanic), so when "crawl under the car" stuff comes up, we just use
the lift.

On 1/15/06, John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> LT Don wrote:
>
> > I have learned something then.
>
> There are a couple really nice jack points on w123s depending on need:
>
> Both front tires?  Front crossmember.
> Both rear tires?  Differential.
> One front tire?  Frame rail behind the factory jack point.
> One rear tire?  Subframe bushing plate (just watch out and don't crush the
> limit
> stop).
>
> Plenty of others that are "safe", but utility is questionable for the
> majority
> of work when another method would be preferential.
>
> --
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> 1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
> 1980 300TD 170+kmi
> 1980 300SD 277+kmi
> 1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi
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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[John Ervine]

LT Don wrote:


I have learned something then.


There are a couple really nice jack points on w123s depending on need:

Both front tires?  Front crossmember.
Both rear tires?  Differential.
One front tire?  Frame rail behind the factory jack point.
One rear tire?  Subframe bushing plate (just watch out and don't crush the limit 
stop).


Plenty of others that are "safe", but utility is questionable for the majority 
of work when another method would be preferential.


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1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi

Re: [MBZ] Tschuss

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 1/14/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> > Adopted, yes.  Adopted correctly, no.  Microsoft's user-interface
> > bozos were too stupid to realize that the "command" or "open apple"
> > key on the Mac and Apple II was not the same as the "control" key but
> > had a different function entirely.  Since "control" already had a
> > recognized function---sending commands to control a remote system in
> > terminal emulation, hence the name---they should have used a different
> > key.
>
> It took Apple a while, too.  Early Mac keyboards had no control key,
> forcing hacks like using the Option key instead in terminal software.
>

Or they'd make ctrl-C, ctrl-Z, etc. into menu commands.  I remember
that.  I used MacTerminal to get on BBSs with my Mac Plus back in the
day.  But I don't see that as nearly as big a problem as the Windows
situation.  There was no use for the Option key when using the machine
as a dumb terminal, and since its normal Mac use was to create special
characters, there was already a little bit of ergonomic precedent for
its subsitution for Control.

Re: [MBZ] Must.... resist.... urge....

[LT Don]

Cider House Rules!

On 1/15/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ... to use ether!
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[LT Don]

I have learned something then.

On 1/15/06, John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Steve & Marci wrote:
> > Attn 123 folks.  Is it OK to LIFT under the differential using a floor
> jack
> > (and wood block) ??
>
> Yes, it's okay.
>
> --
> John L. Ervine
> 1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
> 1980 300TD 170+kmi
> 1980 300SD 277+kmi
> 1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi
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1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[LT Don]

You could say that about a LOT of things, Don.

On 1/15/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've been doing it for years with now apparent ill effects --
>
>
>


--
1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen

Re: [MBZ] weekend cars

[Mitch Haley]

redghost wrote:
> 
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/123764283.html  --  81 240GD

I'm not a 4x4 fan, but that's one nice looking GD. 
He wants to trade it for a TD or TE. I wonder if that's
a straight trade, or he wants money too.

Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[John Ervine]

Steve & Marci wrote:
Attn 123 folks.  Is it OK to LIFT under the differential using a floor jack 
(and wood block) ??


Yes, it's okay.

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi

Re: [MBZ] Lifting the rear end of a W123

[OK Don]

I've been doing it for years with now apparent ill effects --

On 1/14/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve & Marci wrote:
> > Attn 123 folks.  Is it OK to LIFT under the differential using a floor jack
> > (and wood block) ??
>

--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K,  '81 240D 173K,  '78 450SLC 67K, '97
Ply Grand Voyager 78K

Re: [MBZ] Must.... resist.... urge....

[Jim Cathey]

... to use ether!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] weekend cars

[Jim Cathey]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/124501357.html  --  wtf  74 300D?


Probably a 280 gasser in there now.  I doubt they actually
found a 3l to put in there.

-- Jim