Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness
Sunil Hari wrote: I was driving around town today in the 300D, and just as I got on the highway entrance ramp I saw the oil light come on. I immediately parked and turned the car off and waited a few minutes. As I turned it off, I saw that the oil pressure was correct, and after shutdown I confirmed that there was oil in the crankcase. After a few minutes of panic I turned the car back on, and the oil light wasn't on and the pressure behaved as it should. It didn't come on the whole way home (~3 miles). What the hell happened? Kaleb says it's just the car's way of telling me to check the oil. About 99% of the time when the oil level light reports low oil, the oil level is FINE. There at least two DIFFERENT flaws. Check the archives for reports on them. Remember, the oil level light is USELESS to report a sudden loss of oil because of the 60 second delay before the light illuminates (in 60 seconds, you can loose more than one bearing)! You must depend on the oil pressure gauge for that. The oil level light's purpose is ONLY to warn you that the oil level is approaching the ADD mark and the next time you stop the car, you should consider adding a qt of oil Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] [Bulk] Re: 300D oddness
Bill Gallagher wrote: As you turn sharply, the oil is being forced outward, thus causing the light to come on as it should I think you should check the oil level which should be near the max level The oil level light should NOT illuminate until the level has remained below the set point for 60 seconds! The optimal oil level according to Mercedes is midway between the ADD and MAX marks. If the level is raised above the midway point, oil consumption almost always increases. Oil should NOT be added until the level reaches the ADD mark, only enough oil to bring the level to the mid point should be added (that's usually about 1 qt) and Mercedes condemns the practice of frequently topping up the oil and has asked Dealers to instruct customers accordingly!! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Ridiculous claim of 40 MPG for '69 230 on Ebay item#4649412487
Donald Snook wrote: This seller claims that a gasser MB six cylinder gets 40mpg. Do these kinds of sellers think we're all idiots? If he set a high reserve price, he hopes one of us is an idiot. If the price is set by auction, he hopes there are two idiots in the world. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] Grease Fittings
HI all.. On my recent trip to pick up the 500E, I was picked up at the San Jose Airport by friends, Richard and Laura Simonds, in their 1956 Adenauer 300c with 78,000 miles... He even put on his chauffeur cap... Wonderful old car. Felt very pampered. Richard mentioned that every 100 miles a light on the dash comes on and he presses a lever that services about 11 (or maybe more) front end grease fittings.. Not the way it is now Chuck Headed back to Phoenix in the 500E tomorrow. On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:25 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: On 14-Jun-06, at 2:12 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: The first 7 Mercedes I owned had about 30 grease fittings (including one on the driveshaft) that required attention every 3kmi! In 1968 Mercedes I read somewhere this led to the decline of garages, less maintenance, and urged on ubran sprawl since one could drive lots more at a cheaper cost thus making extensive driving less of a hassle. My Dads' 57 caddy shop manual is chocked full of things to do every 1-3k... Of course in the 50's a tire rotation was according to the bill folder in the cabinet 50 cents a wheel so I wonder if it was cheaper today or not... John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 178k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness
On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Sunil Hari wrote: What the hell happened? Kaleb says it's just the car's way of telling me to check the oil. -- Sunil Hari The low oil light can be somewhat sensitive. Checking oil is good advice when the light comes on. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels
On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Zach wrote: Anyone else have any of these? does anyone know what years/models they are found on? They are wheels for the spare tire. I'm guessing they used aluminum for the weight savings. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.
The shimmy deal was on the first 2 years only, and those would have been fixed LONG ago under recall John M McIntosh wrote: if you buy a 98 or 99 which has the latest engineering changes etc, and set aside oh say $10,000 to repair anything, or everything, then I think that should be your target expectations. This may seem a lot but given some of the prices for the car now it becomes an interesting idea. Unless of course you can encounter a seller who's paid to repair/ replace/fix everything, and is selling and eating the repair costs and depreciation. w140 cars pre the 94/95 facelift may have issue with front end shimmy that are difficult or impossible to fix, post facelift the suspension was lowered slightly and the problem *seem* to be solved. I'd suggest avoiding the earlier models just because of this engineering issue. For me, after replacing everything related to wear parts in the 500SEL front end end it seemed to get rid of shimmy, mind If one really looks for it, I think it's still there, just being held in check with all new wear parts. Oh, and you'll think nothing of driving from Seattle to San Jose in it, extremely nice to drive, and the rumbling of the V8 in my driveway lane at night when getting my driveway gate open is *nice* to hear... My wife tells me this is a guy thing. PS If you want a S600, mmm set aside $20K to repair it, that number could be low. On 14-Jun-06, at 7:34 AM, Donald Snook wrote: I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that much money. Why don't I want one of these again? Is it the wiring harness. They do appear to be very nice cars. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 127K John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 176k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness
Mine has been coming on in my SDL, and my oil level is right at the full mark, mainly when going down the highway John Berryman wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Sunil Hari wrote: What the hell happened? Kaleb says it's just the car's way of telling me to check the oil. -- Sunil Hari The low oil light can be somewhat sensitive. Checking oil is good advice when the light comes on. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 140 impulse purchase
I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that much money. Why don't I want one of these again? Is it the wiring harness. They do appear to be very nice cars. Funny you should mention this. My dealer has had a very well kept S300 140 in the shop for several weeks now. It resembles one of those Iraqi bomb cars in that nearly the entire interior of the car is piled up around it. Fair made my Visa card sweat, it did. Yessir, it's an evap replacement. Almost four grand, I was told. BTW, it's labelled S300 even though it's powered by an M104. The replacement today of my driver's door window switch group was a mere nothing in comparison. Extended warranty picked up the bill, of cuss. RLE
Re: [MBZ] 140 impulse purchase
Mine had the evaporator done at the dealer, cost 4k, entire interior just about has to come out. Mine was covered under warranty. If I bought a used one I would first try that expensive sealer stuff, if that didnt work I would just do the work myself [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that much money. Why don't I want one of these again? Is it the wiring harness. They do appear to be very nice cars. Funny you should mention this. My dealer has had a very well kept S300 140 in the shop for several weeks now. It resembles one of those Iraqi bomb cars in that nearly the entire interior of the car is piled up around it. Fair made my Visa card sweat, it did. Yessir, it's an evap replacement. Almost four grand, I was told. BTW, it's labelled S300 even though it's powered by an M104. The replacement today of my driver's door window switch group was a mere nothing in comparison. Extended warranty picked up the bill, of cuss. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] package deal of 240D's
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Re: [MBZ] Engine swap parts list
There is no upper pan gasket, just a small (1/16) bead of RTV sealant. If it doesn't leak, leave it alone unless you need to take the pan off for some other reason. Tranny seal if it drips a bit is easy now, check bushings in shifter levers, engine shocks since they have to come out anyway, front seal on crank if it leaks any (else leave it alone). Nothing else comes to mind -- not much goes wrong that isn't either easy to fix or requires major engine disassembly. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.
The engine, climate control, and window control systems break often and are EXPENSIVE, and combined with the flaky wiring make these hobby cars for the wealthy. Too bad, they are otherwise the best cars Benz made. DO NOT disconnect the computers in a W140 for ANY REASON unless forced to -- usually the wiring will fail (insulation flakes off) and the resultant shorts will kill the computers and/or require a replacement harness. Sad. Peter
[MBZ] Eurovan Opinion
Tan: I have Vanagon Westfalia TD conversion (from NA) and I share your appreciation of these vehicles. There's just nothing else like 'em. When I investigated buying mine a few years ago, I did some research on Eurovans as well. What I heard at that time was that the VR-6 was a great motor, tho not particularly thrifty on fuel, but that the auto transmissions were not very robust and very expensive to replace. THey're sealed and supposedly never serviced! Also, later model VWs are notorious for electrical problems, and quality problems generally. That's why I ended up with the Vanagon, which I've been very pleased with. I did spend a week touring all over England some years ago in an early model Eurovan with a 5-cyl NA diesel and a stick shift. I was very impressed. It would easily surpass 100 mph on the motorway, handled nicely, rode comfortably if firmly, was fairly quiet, and had very comfortable seats and lots of room. If I could have scored a diesel/stick Eurovan Westy here, I would have been interested--more speed and less noise would be nice. Good luck--let us know what you find. -- Dan Weeks 82 VW Westfalia 1.6 TD conversion 186k 82 Mercedes 300SD, 275k
[MBZ] Chicago CL Rodbender
http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/171626362.html No affiliation, ect. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 15 01:33:29 2006 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.176]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fqgjh-00024v-LZ for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 01:33:29 + Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so110702pyd for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:33:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s¾ta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; b=jPtjlfGxePxWIrp4r7Unqs0kZNR64wS31HGScbjmjjitf+Nc4qk3zlNRiOAS8bcdd/yiy7m/EewGMmkovf76V2GOH8VtMJ9mLkLQUV6Vz2AsmwzA/vlQ/ieyCLdd2LcHa0vNPBnHGpfJb2DOsNolaTSWfRxaDocrFKD9Y/TADnkReceived: by 10.35.60.16 with SMTP id n16mr2103239pyk; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.70? ( [24.108.6.52]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n40sm1458455pyg.2006.06.14.18.33.18; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:33:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:33:16 -0700 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Sender: John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140. X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 01:33:29 - In my reading of this they replaced the lower control arm mounts with hydraulic bushings, but doubt reminds on the internet that this fixed everything... On 14-Jun-06, at 5:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The shimmy deal was on the first 2 years only, and those would have been fixed LONG ago under recall John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 176k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] Grease Fittings
Yeah, there were several cars back then that had central lubrication -- some even automated. The point is that a properly designed joint only goes bad when the grease does or it gets dirt in it -- I've never replaced a ball joint or tie rod end with an intact boot. Every single one was torn... Peter
Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.
I'm not sure it's fair to say there are basic engine problem, there are problems with head gaskets for the 3L engines, but the 4 or 5 L engines have been great performers outside of the engine harness issue. Even the 6L engine is ok once you replace all the wiring and actuators. As say as compared to a 87 300TD where I'd suspect head failure is quite an issue. On 14-Jun-06, at 6:00 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: The engine, climate control, and window control systems break often and are EXPENSIVE. John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 176k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.
All I know is mine had the fix well before I got it and I never had a shimmy John M McIntosh wrote: In my reading of this they replaced the lower control arm mounts with hydraulic bushings, but doubt reminds on the internet that this fixed everything... On 14-Jun-06, at 5:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The shimmy deal was on the first 2 years only, and those would have been fixed LONG ago under recall John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 176k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140 ENGINEERING
After all, they were engineered like few (maybe *no*) other vehicles. Would you please explain this vague statement? Engineering to me means among other things designed in reliability over the long term. Which this model sure as hell does not have. RLE
Re: [MBZ] 140 ENGINEERING
Let's see, oh A) custom designed bose radio speaker system (14 speakers? or is that 12) B) trunk release/latch assemble which uses multiple micro-switch and air pressure and vacuum to mange placement of handle, and to pull trunk closed. My 83 300TDt has a bar, a latch and one buggered microswitch for overhead lamp control C) dual pumps to provide pressure and vacuum to doors (pressure) which are pulled closed, smart logic which decides when circuit has leak and shutdown circuit. D) Stalks in early versions that pop up on left/right trunk edges so you see where the back of the car is better. Lots more Engineering here refers to features, but I do think basic structural things done by mercedes are likely designed from a usage viewpoint, I recall an article in the WSJ a couple of years ago about the high number of w140's in Albania (I think?). Why. well it seems organized crime dropped them there and claimed them *lost* under insurance since at the time Albania had no licensing system that could be accessed from the rest of Europe. But one of the drivers interviewed said benzs sold well because the roads were so poor they pounded the shit out of lesser vehicles. Lastly anything that has Bosch written on it seems prone to failure, if I could excise that vendor from my benzs I'd be happier... On 14-Jun-06, at 6:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After all, they were engineered like few (maybe *no*) other vehicles. Would you please explain this vague statement? Engineering to me means among other things designed in reliability over the long term. Which this model sure as hell does not have. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 176k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels
on 6/14/06 5:41 PM, Zach at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else have any of these? does anyone know what years/models they are found on? Odd you should mention that, the wheels that came with the 240d (yes THAT 240d) I got from Mike looked like steel to me. Only after I had told the steel recycling guy to go ahead and take two of the spare ones did my wrench inform me during a tire change that the two remaining ones were, indeedy, aluminum. Maybe they used them on 240ds to reduce weight a little? Dunnn Mac
[MBZ] ArcticQ Support truck
http://seattle.craigslist.org//zip/171261944.html WTF is it? I am sure it could be painted up to showcase the trek north and hold all the extra parts and fuel we may need -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels
Steve MacSween wrote: Maybe they used them on 240ds to reduce weight a little? Dunnn Like it'd help. :-) -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 180+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi 1972 220 278+kmi
Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness
yes, check the oil and see if there is some obstruction in the filter. The e300d does the oil lamp dance after a change and I chase it for a bit, then the light decides to not do that anymore. All the while the oil is new, level mid stick or less cold, no visible leaks, no loss in 1k miles. Sometimes I reseat the filter cap for good measure. No reliable effect On Wednesday, June 14, 2006, at 02:27 PM, Sunil Hari wrote: I was driving around town today in the 300D, and just as I got on the highway entrance ramp I saw the oil light come on. I immediately parked and turned the car off and waited a few minutes. As I turned it off, I saw that the oil pressure was correct, and after shutdown I confirmed that there was oil in the crankcase. After a few minutes of panic I turned the car back on, and the oil light wasn't on and the pressure behaved as it should. It didn't come on the whole way home (~3 miles). What the hell happened? Kaleb says it's just the car's way of telling me to check the oil. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] [Bulk] Re: 300D oddness
OR change your fuses. Must have something there. I do that ritual for the ED, just to make the wife look at me strange. Her car, so what can it hurt? On Wednesday, June 14, 2006, at 03:32 PM, Bill Gallagher wrote: As you turn sharply, the oil is being forced outward, thus causing the light to come on as it should I think you should check the oil level which should be near the max level Had this issue with a old VW on sharp turns, talking about 1 1/2 quarts oil capacity Bill 1981 300 TD Zeitgeist wrote: The oil level circuit board in the instrument panel may beginning to go haywire. I fixed this problem by swapping in a later model fuel/oil/coolant gauge cluster, which contains that circuit. I think this is a fairly common failure mode. Mine presently comes on just when the oil level reaches the lowest mark on the dipstick, but it used to do it whenever I made a sharp lefthand turn. On 6/14/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was driving around town today in the 300D, and just as I got on the highway entrance ramp I saw the oil light come on. I immediately parked and turned the car off and waited a few minutes. As I turned it off, I saw that the oil pressure was correct, and after shutdown I confirmed that there was oil in the crankcase. After a few minutes of panic I turned the car back on, and the oil light wasn't on and the pressure behaved as it should. It didn't come on the whole way home (~3 miles). What the hell happened? Kaleb says it's just the car's way of telling me to check the oil. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels
John Ervine wrote: Steve MacSween wrote: Maybe they used them on 240ds to reduce weight a little? Dunnn Like it'd help. :-) They were manufactured to reduce unsprung weight and improve handling! They were considerably more expensive than steel wheels I was told. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels
Marshall Booth wrote: They were manufactured to reduce unsprung weight and improve handling! They were considerably more expensive than steel wheels I was told. I'm being facetious, Marshall. Reduction in unsprung weight would be a very important performance aspect of those wheels. -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 180+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi 1972 220 278+kmi
[MBZ] Kaleb is getting Regina this one
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/171490998.html -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ Support truck
http://seattle.craigslist.org//zip/171261944.html WTF is it? One of the homeliest things I've ever seen? A hydroplane-race-mobile? A project, indeed. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 126 alignment
M.Afzaal Khan wrote: Hi Marshall; How much would the difference be in toe-in if the spreader bar were not used, as would be the case at most alignment shops. Very little toe-in under dynamic conditions? Impossible to predict. In a BRAND NEW car, there will be little difference. As wear in the steering system/suspension increases, the difference becomes greater and greater. That's why it's necessary - because it's almost impossible to compensate accurately once there is wear ANYWHERE in the system. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Engine swap parts list
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:01:50 -0500 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm lazy. *smile* You see, soon I will be doing an engine swap. I'll be pulling the engine from a W123 300D turbo and putting it into another W123 300D turbo. The lazy part is that I want to do all the common, but difficult mainanence while the engine is out! So my list includes: * turbo train seals * oil filter housing gasket * upper oil pan gasket * motor mounts (including transmission mount) But I thinking some of you long-term fellow might have a few more items to add to my list. So, would ya, could ya, please add to my list the things I'll regret if I don't do while the engine is out? Block heater. Craig
Re: [MBZ] 126 alignment
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:28:16 -0400 Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:35:13 +0500 M.Afzaal Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For alignment the front wheels need to be kept apart with a bar set at 100 NM . and only then the toe- in is set correctly . This is the suspension under running conditon stress. few shops would do that mak A Newton (N) is a force, so a Newton-meter (N-m) is a torque. Is that really the units you mean? To set toe-in the front wheels must be set, then the wheels spread with 90-110 N force 20 - 25 pounds. Craig
Re: [MBZ] 140 ENGINEERING
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, John M McIntosh wrote: Lastly anything that has Bosch written on it seems prone to failure, if I could excise that vendor from my benzs I'd be happier... Make sure to find Lucas replacements when you do! -j.
Re: [MBZ] Grease Fittings
Cool setup. Not going to happen today with all of the planned obsolescence going on. Mike - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Grease Fittings HI all.. On my recent trip to pick up the 500E, I was picked up at the San Jose Airport by friends, Richard and Laura Simonds, in their 1956 Adenauer 300c with 78,000 miles... He even put on his chauffeur cap... Wonderful old car. Felt very pampered. Richard mentioned that every 100 miles a light on the dash comes on and he presses a lever that services about 11 (or maybe more) front end grease fittings.. Not the way it is now Chuck Headed back to Phoenix in the 500E tomorrow. On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:25 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: On 14-Jun-06, at 2:12 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: The first 7 Mercedes I owned had about 30 grease fittings (including one on the driveshaft) that required attention every 3kmi! In 1968 Mercedes I read somewhere this led to the decline of garages, less maintenance, and urged on ubran sprawl since one could drive lots more at a cheaper cost thus making extensive driving less of a hassle. My Dads' 57 caddy shop manual is chocked full of things to do every 1-3k... Of course in the 50's a tire rotation was according to the bill folder in the cabinet 50 cents a wheel so I wonder if it was cheaper today or not... John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 178k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ Support truck
Looks European to me. Quite the ugly thing but pretty cool. Too bad it is 3000 miles from here I would go and get it. Mike - Original Message - From: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] ArcticQ Support truck http://seattle.craigslist.org//zip/171261944.html WTF is it? I am sure it could be painted up to showcase the trek north and hold all the extra parts and fuel we may need -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels
Not unlike driving a '67 VW Bus around for seven years. On 6/14/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing about driving a 240d, particularly an autobox, it really brings you back to focusing on the road ahead like NO other car. Eeek. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] 560SEL cuts off
Does anyone else have a suggestion as to the culprit? Do I remember correctly in that the fuel pump relay is known for bad solder joints? I don't think it's a particular problem, but it can happen. First I'd pull it and clean its contacts. It would be fairly easy to tap that signal with a wire to a meter so you could see if it was cutting out. Also, an ignition problem might not affect the tachometer given that there's a fair bit of circuitry betwixt tach signal and spark. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ Support truck
Looks to me like an IHC Metro but there was a time in the '50s when there were a ton of manufacturers putting out panel delivery trucks like that. Stick and OM 617 in and it could be a really cool ride. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:07:42 -0700 From: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] ArcticQ Support truck To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed http://seattle.craigslist.org//zip/171261944.html WTF is it? I am sure it could be painted up to showcase the trek north and hold all the extra parts and fuel we may need -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 15 14:02:17 2006 Received: from ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.103]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FqsQL-0008EK-51 for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:02:17 + Received: from trampasx2 (cpe-024-163-121-050.nc.res.rr.com [24.163.121.50]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5FE2A3k023903 for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:02:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:02:09 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaQgdZ3ZNzUFpLCS9iGNtDSrOFutQAAlOzQ X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560SEL cuts off X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:02:17 - Jim, Thanks for the information. I will tie a test light to the fuel pump and one to the negative side of coil and test it. If it all looks OK I will add a Fuel pressure gauge to the mix... Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560SEL cuts off Does anyone else have a suggestion as to the culprit? Do I remember correctly in that the fuel pump relay is known for bad solder joints? I don't think it's a particular problem, but it can happen. First I'd pull it and clean its contacts. It would be fairly easy to tap that signal with a wire to a meter so you could see if it was cutting out. Also, an ignition problem might not affect the tachometer given that there's a fair bit of circuitry betwixt tach signal and spark. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness
Hmm-I never thought of that-why do you think that is? Dwight Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found that the oil level on the two sides of the dipstick on my 190D can be considerably different. If I go by the high side (which happens to be the side I usually see first) and its down toward the low end the low oil light will flip on and off. If I only pay attention to the lower side it never does. So I've learned to turn the dipstick around while I'm inspecting oil level. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:56:18 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sunil, The SAME thing happend to me last week on my 300D 2.5. Same result-oil level was at add mark but not down in the low range on the red thing at the bottom. I added a qt-manuala says that the amount between the two levels is 2 qts but I din't want to chance overfilling. Dwight __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
The Albatross is headed for Vancouver WA, though will be making a pass through the greater Seattle area. It's going to stay at my brother's house for awhile. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 560SEL cuts off
Trampas - You could also replace the relay with a jumper and see if the problem seems to go away. Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Trampas Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:02 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560SEL cuts off Jim, Thanks for the information. I will tie a test light to the fuel pump and one to the negative side of coil and test it. If it all looks OK I will add a Fuel pressure gauge to the mix... Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560SEL cuts off Does anyone else have a suggestion as to the culprit? Do I remember correctly in that the fuel pump relay is known for bad solder joints? I don't think it's a particular problem, but it can happen. First I'd pull it and clean its contacts. It would be fairly easy to tap that signal with a wire to a meter so you could see if it was cutting out. Also, an ignition problem might not affect the tachometer given that there's a fair bit of circuitry betwixt tach signal and spark. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness
Dunno, the dipstick assuredly hits the oil at an angle but I wouldn't think it would be enough to cause this effect though... -Curt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm-I never thought of that-why do you think that is? Dwight Curt Raymond wrote: I've found that the oil level on the two sides of the dipstick on my 190D can be considerably different. If I go by the high side (which happens to be the side I usually see first) and its down toward the low end the low oil light will flip on and off. If I only pay attention to the lower side it never does. So I've learned to turn the dipstick around while I'm inspecting oil level. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:56:18 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sunil, The SAME thing happend to me last week on my 300D 2.5. Same result-oil level was at add mark but not down in the low range on the red thing at the bottom. I added a qt-manuala says that the amount between the two levels is 2 qts but I din't want to chance overfilling. Dwight __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 15 14:48:07 2006 Received: from 70-184-18-49.atlasok.com ([70.184.18.49] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fqt8h-0003mA-64 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:48:07 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:48:07 -0500 From: Striplin Admin account [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] [Fwd: ACC in 91 W124 300D] X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:48:07 - Original Message Subject:ACC in 91 W124 300D Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:29:00 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, was in the low 70s and raining - needed the defrost - pushed the button the fan went to high and the temp of the air blowing out was very warm. It cleared the w'shield quickly but I didn't think the warm air blowing was normal. Also, I could feel the ac compressor coming on/off ocassionally - which I believe is normal.. Is this how the defrost works? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net http://www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
[MBZ] [Fwd: Re: Non-Project 240D in Washington]
Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:45:52 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Albatross is headed for Vancouver WA, though will be making a pass through the greater Seattle area. It's going to stay at my brother's house for awhile. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: ACC in 91 W124 300D]
That is exactly how its supposed to be. What you needed to have selected was the button right next the the defrost button. Striplin Admin account wrote: Original Message Subject:ACC in 91 W124 300D Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:29:00 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, was in the low 70s and raining - needed the defrost - pushed the button the fan went to high and the temp of the air blowing out was very warm. It cleared the w'shield quickly but I didn't think the warm air blowing was normal. Also, I could feel the ac compressor coming on/off ocassionally - which I believe is normal.. Is this how the defrost works? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net http://www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ Support truck
On Jun 15, 2006, at 9:44 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Looks to me like an IHC Metro but there was a time in the '50s when there were a ton of manufacturers putting out panel delivery trucks like that. Stick and OM 617 in and it could be a really cool ride. -Curt I didn't see pictures of the vehicle in question but I had a 1961 International Metro. We used it to haul our Formula Vees to the various tracks we raced at in the Northeast. We called our team Team Penniless. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] 140 ENGINEERING
g, I was looking under the hood of some recent C class and noticed Lucas proudly printed on some electronics so it's closer than we think. On 15-Jun-06, at 3:17 AM, John W. Reames III wrote: On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, John M McIntosh wrote: Lastly anything that has Bosch written on it seems prone to failure, if I could excise that vendor from my benzs I'd be happier... Make sure to find Lucas replacements when you do! -j. John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 176k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] Ridiculous claim of 40 MPG for '69 230 on Ebayitem#4649412487
If he set a high reserve price, he hopes one of us is an idiot. If the price is set by auction, he hopes there are two idiots in the world. Mitch. From my point of view this sums up why I may never buy a car on E-Bay However I have not had a good history of buying and selling things in general. I tend to buy high and sell low ..However I have a neighbor who is a bit of a hot-rodder who buys and sells cars for most of his income. He buys and sell stuff on E-bay fairly often. More that once he has had cars delivered to (and picked up at) his house of a Semi Car hauler operated by a usually very lost driver trying to find his house in some what east Dallas. George Larribeau Dallas, Texas
Re: [MBZ] Ridiculous claim of 40 MPG for '69 230 on Ebay item #4649412487
That and the fact that three of four knobs for the air-flow adjustment levers are missing and the fourth looks chewed up! I had a 1970 280SE and I replaced the side wise heater control levers in the center of the dash. I believe my fingers are still bleeding. George Larribeau Dallas, Texas
Re: [MBZ] 126 alignment
M.Afzaal Khan wrote: The local alignment shop says it adds a extra amount of toe-in to compensate for the spreader bar being unavailable regards If they do that with a relatively new car or one that's been recently rebuilt, there will be too much toe and if they do it on a worn one there won't be enough. That's why Mercedes REQUIRES a spreader bar - so that it can be done correctly Seems like a REALLY poor excuse to justify not buying and using a ~$50 tool. How do they justify not using the locking/centering screw to hold the steering box/wheel in the SINGLE correct position? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Ridiculous claim of 40 MPG for '69 230 on Ebayitem#4649412487
on 6/15/06 12:32 PM, George Larribeau at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More that once he has had cars delivered to (and picked up at) his house of a Semi Car hauler operated by a usually very lost driver trying to find his house in some what east Dallas. LOL, too bad Van Knutson isn't on this list, he could relate the story of when the semi driver rolled up at 2 a.m. to pick up a car for me, which was sitting on his lawn. Unfortunately the truck had Canuck plates and his neighbours were jumpy. Next thing he knew, Van woke up to assorted police vehicles surrounding the truck and the driver spread-eagle on the ground. Luckily the driver had a sense of humour, as when he reached the border it transpired that my incompetent customs broker had forgotten to leave the forms at customs. So the driver had to do the importation for me, on the spot, using his Amex. Ooooh, dear. ROTFLMAO. Mac
Re: [MBZ] 140 ENGINEERING
OH, so that's why the owner's manual mentions using caution when driving in the wet. LoL. Mac on 6/15/06 12:25 PM, John M McIntosh at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: g, I was looking under the hood of some recent C class and noticed Lucas proudly printed on some electronics so it's closer than we think. On 15-Jun-06, at 3:17 AM, John W. Reames III wrote: On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, John M McIntosh wrote: Lastly anything that has Bosch written on it seems prone to failure, if I could excise that vendor from my benzs I'd be happier... Make sure to find Lucas replacements when you do! -j. John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 176k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels
Yeah, you certainly one-upped us all on that one. Bet you got to chat with a lot of young ladies with tie-dye t-shirts, tho. Mac on 6/15/06 9:30 AM, Zeitgeist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not unlike driving a '67 VW Bus around for seven years. On 6/14/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing about driving a 240d, particularly an autobox, it really brings you back to focusing on the road ahead like NO other car. Eeek.
Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.
i got a 79 280CE. it gets water in it, so i took out all the carpets and interior panelling and don't even bother to close the windows or roof anymore. now that's a car! (yeah, yeah, so i'm a little brain damaged) On 6/14/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John M McIntosh wrote: I'm not sure it's fair to say there are basic engine problem, there are problems with head gaskets for the 3L engines, but the 4 or 5 L engines have been great performers outside of the engine harness issue. Even the 6L engine is ok once you replace all the wiring and actuators. As say as compared to a 87 300TD where I'd suspect head failure is quite an issue. To replace the head (fewer than 20% failed) AND the evaporator (maybe 10-15% failed) on an '87 300SDL will cost a total $5000-6000 and you'll have a pristine car that should give you 200-300kmi of service. You can spend that much on a 140 in no time and still not have begun to deal with the most of the issues. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels
Uh, ya...chatting, that's what I did with the ladies in the bus--right. On 6/15/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, you certainly one-upped us all on that one. Bet you got to chat with a lot of young ladies with tie-dye t-shirts, tho. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: ACC in 91 W124 300D]
Striplin Admin account wrote: Original Message Subject:ACC in 91 W124 300D Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:29:00 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, was in the low 70s and raining - needed the defrost - pushed the button the fan went to high and the temp of the air blowing out was very warm. It cleared the w'shield quickly but I didn't think the warm air blowing was normal. Also, I could feel the ac compressor coming on/off ocassionally - which I believe is normal.. Is this how the defrost works? DEFROST is full heat. When the compressor comes on (will to dehumidify the air) that will moderate the heat, but heat is still on full. That's NOT a flaw - it's a feature. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Dirty Fuel, not Low Turbo ... Final Report
Some weeks back, I thought I had a turbo problem with my 82 300SD and got good advice from several on this list, esp. Jim and Kaleb. The symptoms were low power that I finally realized was fuel starvation (unable to maintain speed on highway, especially uphill) that only began after traveling several miles at highway speed. I suspect that some driving was required to agitate enough crud off the bottom of the tank to plug all the area of the in-tank filter screen. Turns out the turbo (and all associated stuff) is fine. The problem was very dirty fuel that plugged up the in-tank strainer. The fix was to drain and wash all the crud out of the tank, change fuel filters, and fresh (clean) fuel. There was so much debris in the tank that it plugged up my topsider when I tried to suck the fuel out of the gage hole on top of the tank. After I drained the tank and removed the strainer, I could still see plenty of crud in the bottom of the tank. I tried a garden hose with limited success and finally used my pressure washer to loosen and flush the crud from the tank. Then I used a shop vac on blow to dry up the water. This took several hours. A road test today confirmed that the fix worked. By the way, the fuel gage sensor was all gooked up inside too. I have not been driving this car much for the last 6 months so I suppose it could be diesel bugs, but I don't think so. Most if the debris was visible-size chunks of stuff, like rust crumbs, for example. The problem started suddenly on the way home from a weekend trip shortly after refueling. So I suspect I got a load of dirty fuel at that last fuel stop. As a final amusing note, I found the bottom disk and nut from a fuel gage sensor in the debris that came out of the tank so it looks like the sensor self-disassembled for some previous owner. Scott Ritchey Kittrell NC 1982 300SD 220K 1979 300TD 350K
Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels
So what kind of chicks do you pick up in the blue vanagon wolfsburg edition? tie-dye dreadheads turned soccer moms? ;^) - Original Message From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:04:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels Uh, ya...chatting, that's what I did with the ladies in the bus--right. On 6/15/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, you certainly one-upped us all on that one. Bet you got to chat with a lot of young ladies with tie-dye t-shirts, tho.
[MBZ] Neutral Safety Switch
The neutral safety switch on my 82 300SD has deteriorated over the last year or so. The engine has always cranked with the shifter in neutral, but park is another matter. At first, It would not crank in park after a cold soak. Now it only cranks in park after the engine is hot. I experimented with a surplus switch and it seems that the neutral position is very sensitive while park makes contact over a wide range of shifter movement. In any case, I decided to replace the switch with new. By the way, the shift bushings are OK. Question. I'm looking for advice on aligning the new switch. It appears that the switch is in the neutral position when the hole in the end of plastic arm aligns with a hole on the plastic switch cover. Is this correct? Thanks. Scott Ritchey Kittrell NC 1982 300SD 220K 1979 300TD 350K = -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1840 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20060= 615/48eb7c98/winmail.bin
Re: [MBZ] Grease Fittings
Mike Canfield wrote: Cool setup. Not going to happen today with all of the planned obsolescence going on. Mike - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] every 100 miles a light on the dash comes on and he presses a lever that services about 11 (or maybe more) front end grease fittings.. If it were a modern car, this operation would require at least three computers and 300 yards of biodegradable wire to carry out.
Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels
Zeitgeist wrote: Not unlike driving a '67 VW Bus around for seven years. Also, after driving a VW Bus, any other car seems silent as a tomb on the freeway.
[MBZ] MB coolant
Recently I serviced the radiator hoses on my 85 300SD. I ordered the MB coolant from rusty. I was a bit disappointed that the coolant is almost clear. A very pail yellow, I guess I am just use to having colored green coolant. The point here is what over the counter coolants are safe in the car? If I was on the road and something happened, there has to be something that is safe in it, right? George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K
Re: [MBZ] 126 alignment
M.Afzaal Khan wrote: The local alignment shop says it adds a extra amount of toe-in to compensate for the spreader bar being unavailable Probably they're dialing in enough to make sure you don't end up with toe-out at speed. That will certainly keep the car from wandering all over the road, but if you end up with too much toe-in as a result your front tires will wear faster than they should.
Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
Xerex G-05. One gets it at NAPA in these parts (Western MO). It is the same color. Chris George Larribeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Recently I serviced the radiator hoses on my 85 300SD. I ordered the MB coolant from rusty. I was a bit disappointed that the coolant is almost clear. A very pail yellow, I guess I am just use to having colored green coolant. The point here is what over the counter coolants are safe in the car? If I was on the road and something happened, there has to be something that is safe in it, right? George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 245K km, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 345K km, Wulf -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger Mercedes Diesel: Die Motorleistung wird mit dem Kilometerzähler gemessen. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 15 19:29:58 2006 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.190]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FqxXR-000426-VH for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:29:58 + Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h2so128613nfe for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:29:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sucRoJMYAUSoL7gsUdNJivFeK95OxvXQ9o7PlqxRepp04qDZg2QKahMuHEG77LhV9AF4bcf5M6y11VF/vU1WeYSRQLsLIpmH+SVd/ktX8cOe2f/KvrC6pViMuUU+8iW9BezDXlLFwc4npYk+T2Moby9Q8y0gmxcqitYrmRkkjbY= Received: by 10.48.43.7 with SMTP id q7mr876454nfq; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.9.12 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:29:51 -0400 From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB coolant X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:29:58 - If you use the green stuff or Dex-Cool (shudder) or anything BUT the MB stuff or Zerex G-05 (same stuff, different jug), it'll ruin the aluminum radiator. So pony up for the yellow-orange stuff, and save yourself a larg= e cooling system repair bill later. On 6/15/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Xerex G-05. One gets it at NAPA in these parts (Western MO). It is the same color. Chris George Larribeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Recently I serviced the radiator hoses on my 85 300SD. I ordered the MB coolant from rusty. I wa= s a bit disappointed that the coolant is almost clear. A very pail yellow, I guess I am just use to having colored green coolant. The point here is w= hat over the counter coolants are safe in the car? If I was on the road and something happened, there has to be something that is safe in it, right? George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 245K km, Rotk=E4ppchen -1985 300SD, 345K km, Wulf -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger Mercedes Diesel: Die Motorleistung wird mit dem Kilometerz=E4hler gemessen. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new
Re: [MBZ] LUCAS
g, I was looking under the hood of some recent C class and noticed Lucas proudly printed on some electronics so it's closer than we think. The 202, hardly a recent car now, used a Lucas brake booster. My '01 C320's front calipers are Lucas and are easier to service than any of the calipers on any past MB I've owned. Not that I'm endorsing Lucas. 113,116,123, 201 twice, 202.
Re: [MBZ] LUCAS
it's funny - Lucas electrics have such a bad rap, but my 115 had lucas foglights that worked perfectly after 30+ years. Don't know if that's the exception or the norm. Lucas, Prince of Darkness. See, it's normal for all British components to leak. Cars leak oil, fuel, and coolant - it's only natural for British electrics to leak smoke. On 6/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: g, I was looking under the hood of some recent C class and noticed Lucas proudly printed on some electronics so it's closer than we think. The 202, hardly a recent car now, used a Lucas brake booster. My '01 C320's front calipers are Lucas and are easier to service than any of the calipers on any past MB I've owned. Not that I'm endorsing Lucas. 113,116,123, 201 twice, 202. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
[MBZ] CARFAX request
Anyone with a valid CARFAX account who can run the following for me: 1HGEJ56673WL019080 Should be a 1998 Honda Civic. I know, Iknow, but it's for my daughter. Couldn't find a nice 190D in her time frame. Thanks in advance. Gary Thompson 1995 E320
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
The Albatross is headed for Vancouver WA, Ooh, so close I can almost smell it hahahahaha! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela AKA Granny who is running much better after driving around for about an hour yesterday, and she now has new tires and current tags.
Re: [MBZ] LUCAS
Exception. Trust me. (: Levi Ahh, the days of the TR7's with Good Ol' Lucas. They're so cute when they wink at you with the up/down headlight. (: On 6/15/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's funny - Lucas electrics have such a bad rap, but my 115 had lucas foglights that worked perfectly after 30+ years. Don't know if that's the exception or the norm. Lucas, Prince of Darkness. See, it's normal for all British components to leak. Cars leak oil, fuel, and coolant - it's only natural for British electrics to leak smoke. On 6/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: g, I was looking under the hood of some recent C class and noticed Lucas proudly printed on some electronics so it's closer than we think. The 202, hardly a recent car now, used a Lucas brake booster. My '01 C320's front calipers are Lucas and are easier to service than any of the calipers on any past MB I've owned. Not that I'm endorsing Lucas. 113,116,123, 201 twice, 202. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 alignment
M.Afzaal Khan wrote: The local alignment shop says it adds a extra amount of toe-in to compensate for the spreader bar being unavailable If the spreader bar is unavailable, tell them to buy a good strong spring loaded shower curtain rod. Not perfect, but better than nothing.
Re: [MBZ] LUCAS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: front calipers are Lucas and are easier to service than any of the calipers on any past MB I've owned. Not that I'm endorsing Lucas. Lucas = Girling when it comes to brakes. Been making brakes much longer than Lucas has owned them.
Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
Sunil Hari wrote: If you use the green stuff or Dex-Cool (shudder) or anything BUT the MB stuff or Zerex G-05 (same stuff, different jug), it'll ruin the aluminum radiator. So pony up for the yellow-orange stuff, and save yourself a large cooling system repair bill later. Prestone makes some stuff now that's supposed to be universal, can top off yellow, orange or green with it. When Azone quit selling (temporarily it seems) G-05, the guys there told me that the Prestone made it obselete. Knowing the differences in PH buffering between the various coolants, I don't see how a universal fluid is possible.
Re: [MBZ] LUCAS
Just pray there's no electronics connected to that caliper. If it says Lucas on it, you're living on borrowed time... (: On 6/15/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: front calipers are Lucas and are easier to service than any of the calipers on any past MB I've owned. Not that I'm endorsing Lucas. Lucas = Girling when it comes to brakes. Been making brakes much longer than Lucas has owned them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LUCAS
Lucas, Prince of Darkness. See, it's normal for all British components to leak. Cars leak oil, fuel, and coolant - it's only natural for British electrics to leak smoke. T shits seen at the NTNOA (North Texas Norton Owners Association) Lake O' the Pines Rally: A gentleman does not motor about after dark - Joseph Lucas Ya', I've owned British bikes in the past. The only thing I know of that is scarier than Lucas is Magneti Marelli. The only thing that saves my Moto Guzzi-s is that they have Bosh starters and charging systems. Apparently Bosh bought out merged with Magneti Marelli in 1999. I did not know this. Now to be fair Lucas is / was a big company and had /has products for aerospace that are made with extreme quality however it has been my personal experience that this is not true of their consumer automotive electrics. It is said that at the Moto Guzzi factory the workers come to work early and very meticulously, with great passion do all the mechanical assembly and paint most of the day's bikes. Then they break for a late lunch where lots of wine is consumed and all of the tows girls are placed at extreme risk. Then the boss goes through the town and rounds up all the workers and returns them to the factory. At this time all the bikes are wired and the unfortunate few are pained. I don't know this for a fact but all my Guzzi friends don't / wont dispute it. George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K 1987 HD FLHTC 86K 1984 Motoguzzi Cal -2 80K 1972 Motoguzzi Ambassador LOTS
Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
MB won't endorse the stuff. Thus, I won't touch it. On 6/15/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunil Hari wrote: If you use the green stuff or Dex-Cool (shudder) or anything BUT the MB stuff or Zerex G-05 (same stuff, different jug), it'll ruin the aluminum radiator. So pony up for the yellow-orange stuff, and save yourself a large cooling system repair bill later. Prestone makes some stuff now that's supposed to be universal, can top off yellow, orange or green with it. When Azone quit selling (temporarily it seems) G-05, the guys there told me that the Prestone made it obselete. Knowing the differences in PH buffering between the various coolants, I don't see how a universal fluid is possible. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] 140 ENGINEERING
Just want to chime in here on this Engineering post. Bosch should really think before they write about failures. Damn near every Bosch 5.1 ABS system with the integrated electronics is a piece of crap. From 98 to 03 when Bosch integrated ASR with the ABS systems the circuit boards were so small and flimsy they fail on every AUDI and VW they put them on. Had my 02 Passat in 4 times to have it replaced. At $1600 a pop I'd trade that for a decent Lucas system any day Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [MBZ] 140 ENGINEERING On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, John M McIntosh wrote: Lastly anything that has Bosch written on it seems prone to failure, if I could excise that vendor from my benzs I'd be happier... Make sure to find Lucas replacements when you do! -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
MB won't endorse the stuff. Thus, I won't touch it. Is there a MB list of MB endorsed / spproved fluids besides stuff from MB? The Indie shop that works on wifes BMW is in love with Pentosin Blue. George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K
