[MBZ] cheap 190D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-MBZ190D-2-5-87-MERCEDES-190D-5-CYCLINDER-CA-CAR-REAL-BEAUTY_W0QQitemZ140123695393QQihZ004QQcategoryZ6335QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL,
 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Right of way

[Redghost]

What Roger said


On May 29, 2007, at 8:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [MBZ] water in Seattle

[Redghost]

Do not speak ill of our beer!  We brew the most tasty sort of malted  
beverage this side of the Rhine and nothing at all like the fermented  
pig's waste found at industrial breweries



On May 29, 2007, at 8:14 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:


Sounds like that "beer" y'all make out that way.

--R

Redghost wrote:

What!?!  You are paying for that stuff that just falls from the sky
all day every day?

Get thee down to Magnuson park for some of the rain barrels and set
yourself up.  Cisterns and all allow me to wash Gump with vintage
water and I then reclaim it to use in the throne room.  From there it
goes to the bioremediation swamp, before being released into the
local salmon spawning stream.








--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage

[Rich Thomas]

I was always the classsmartass, esp in physics.  In high school my 
physics tchr marked me wrong on a test for Heisenberg's uncertainty 
principle, where I said it was position and momentum (not velocity).  I 
argued mightily I was correct to no avail til he told me to shut up.  So 
I went to the library after school and looked in about 15 physics books, 
which were pretty much evenly split on the two answers.  So next day I 
come in with all this, and before I could say anything he grabbed the 
test and fixed the score and told me I was a smartass.  I said, "Thank 
you!" and the class all laughed like hell.  I kept up with him for 
awhile, he was a funny guy.  He was also quite a large gent, and because 
of his name we nicknamed him "Buzz" and had a saying that Budweiser 
makes Buzzwider...


One day we had a substitute, a really old retired college prof, I think 
he was German or East European of some sort, who proceeded to teach us 
about the pervading "ether." 


--R

Craig McCluskey wrote:

(And I have a Ph.D. in
physics! Hangs head in shame ...   :-) )



On Wed, 30 May 2007 09:04:39 -0500 Rich Thomas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

That's energy not momentum.

--R

Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:04:42 -0500 Rich Thomas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
  

Maybe roll cages and restraints are the answer, though m1v1=m2v2


still > applies?
  



It's an inelastic collision, so what applies is,

12  1   2
   ---  m  v=  --- m  v
21  1   2   2  2
  


Yes, you're right. I was thinking about my answer while driving home from
work last night and realized my answer was wrong.

In an INelastic collision, energy is NOT conserved, though momentum is, as
you initially wrote. Sorry for the mistake. (And I have a Ph.D. in
physics! Hangs head in shame ...   :-) )


Craig

  

Re: [MBZ] Gasser Heresy

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

nothing if you like 240D's.  Myself I would rather have performance if I 
am going to get the same fuel mileage anyway.


Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

So, what is wrong with that?

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1979 240D-250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles


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 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Gasser Heresy

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

So, what is wrong with that?

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1979 240D-250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles


Wickford, RI-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasser Heresy

after driving a 420, you would not want a 300, it would feel like a 240D

Dan Weeks wrote:
>> "Royce Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Anybody have any thoughts about why I shouldn't jump on this one?   
>>> (other
>>> than the fact that it's NOT a diesel...)
>>>
>>> Royce Engler
>>> '85 300TD  298K
>>>
> 
> Uh, because you could buy Don Snook's 300SEL with less than half the  
> miles for less?
> 
> My indy drives a 420. He's got a couple hundred thousand on his, and  
> said its starting to burn oil. Because the block is aluminum, they  
> can't be bored.
> 
> Dan
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  81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have not really found that to be the case with the gas engines I have had.

LarryT wrote:

A gas engine will eat you out of house & home.  They constantly need 
*something* - no matter how nice or how well maintained.  Let them get a little 
behind on maintanence and thangs can get ugly (financially speaking) pretty fast.  
I had a few gas MBs and all were the same.  $25 for this, $100 for that, $10 for 
this, $500 for that - constantly needing a little here and a little there.

That may not be a problem for you - and a big gas W126 is unequalled in comfort 
and security on the open road (unless you find a W140) - but just be prepared 
for a healthy maintanence program, especially with over 200K on the clock.  
Personally, I would not consider a gas engine with over 150K unless I was 
getting it cheap enough so I could rebuild it and not be unside-down.

I just don;t think I'd feel confident it would always get me home with so many 
miles on it.

But they're awesome cars when you're behind the wheel and you covering 
interstate at 80mph+ in near silence except for the stereo.  But I'd feel 
better in a diesel.

Good luck - 


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 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Gasser Heresy

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

after driving a 420, you would not want a 300, it would feel like a 240D

Dan Weeks wrote:

"Royce Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Anybody have any thoughts about why I shouldn't jump on this one?   
(other

than the fact that it's NOT a diesel...)

Royce Engler
'85 300TD  298K



Uh, because you could buy Don Snook's 300SEL with less than half the  
miles for less?


My indy drives a 420. He's got a couple hundred thousand on his, and  
said its starting to burn oil. Because the block is aluminum, they  
can't be bored.


Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[LarryT]

You wrote:>

That's a very wise decision.  Thise kinds of things - where hoses, etc are 
hidden from view and can leak and you;ll never know its leaking.  Then some 
expensive damage happens.


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From: "John M McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HeresyI'm looking at a gasser.




On May 30, 2007, at 6:41 AM, LarryT wrote:


That may not be a problem for you - and a big gas W126 is
unequalled in comfort and security on the open road (unless you
find a W140) - but just be prepared for a healthy maintanence program


Oddly enough my w140 is having it's 60K mile/92K km service completed
today.  I'll let everyone know what the bill comes too.

I did pass on replacing the activated charcoal filter at this time
which is $362 or so (internet pricing) plus you have to remove the
wiper motor assembly to get at the filter housing, 3 hours labour?
I'll look at that filter replacement next year after visiting the USA
and picking it up somewhere to avoid the duty/taxes I'd normally have
to pay in Canada, plus pricing is a bit better.  Well that and having
it done today likely would have added another $1K to the bill.


PS as a maintenance item I replaced the heater manifold pipe
distributor, which is a plastic 4 pipe creation that "T"s off coolant
for the heater cores. It sits on top of the rear engine block and
internet experience says they crack over time, dumping your
antifreeze all over the engine, and likely toasting it if one is not
paying attention.

 In replacing that part they discovered one of the heater hoses had
a bulge in it and needed to be replaced,  requiring a two day wait
here as the S shaped hose comes from  central parts.  Given the car
is 15 years old I thought it was wise to check all that piping for
issues.



John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)



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Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Russ Williams]

Levi,
R-12 connectors look like a Tire Stem welded to the pipe.
When R-12 to R-134 conversions are done the R-134 adapter is screwed on 
top of the R-12 connector.
Some of the 134 adapters have Red Lock-Tite  (Stud & Bearing) on the 
threads making it hard to remove
the 134 adapter. But it can be done. Just a little heat will release the 
Lock-Tite,
Go to your local McParts store and Look in the A/C Supplies area You 
will find the adapters (Under 5 Bucks)
Pick up a set then change out the leaking one you have. Screw off Old 
Screw on New.


Russ W.

Levi Smith wrote:

Hmm...  Dunno, I don't know what R12 connectors are like.  There's a dust
cap that screws on to a "pop-on" coupling that works with any of the R134
refill kits.  It *looks* like that's part of the pipe...  But for all I
know, perhaps it's somehow threaded onto a smaller piece on the pipe?

This is sounding like I'm going to be better off to take it to someone who
knows what they're doing until I've seen it done once...

Levi

On 5/29/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

What kind of R134 connectors do you have?
The ones with their own schrader valves, or the ones that fit over
the R12 service connector and have a little pushrod to open the
original schrader valve? If the latter, can you fix the leak by
removing the adapter (or was it coated in permanent threadlocker?).

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Re: [MBZ] You think we love our Benzes....

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> 
> For some reason the link sent me to a Yahoo page with the message "Sorry the
> page you requested was not found"


Somehow he copied the shortened displayed text instead of the link itself:
See the ellipsis here? There's probably another 50 characters missing:
/S...50/


Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage

[Craig McCluskey]

John,

We are so sorry for your loss. We will be praying for you.


Craig & Shirley McCluskey
Los Alamos, NM

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 30 May 2007 09:04:39 -0500 Rich Thomas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's energy not momentum.
> 
> --R
> 
> Craig McCluskey wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:04:42 -0500 Rich Thomas
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Maybe roll cages and restraints are the answer, though m1v1=m2v2
> >still > applies?
> >> 
> >
> > It's an inelastic collision, so what applies is,
> >
> > 12  1   2
> >---  m  v=  --- m  v
> > 21  1   2   2  2

Yes, you're right. I was thinking about my answer while driving home from
work last night and realized my answer was wrong.

In an INelastic collision, energy is NOT conserved, though momentum is, as
you initially wrote. Sorry for the mistake. (And I have a Ph.D. in
physics! Hangs head in shame ...   :-) )


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Distilled water here and there

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 29 May 2007 11:12:18 -0400 Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Pure distilled water is not electrolytic, but it is a rather good
> solvent and it will tend to "pull" minerals from the aluminum alloys
> in the head.

And DI water is even worse!


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor

[LarryT]

Hi Bob,
   I checked it and it looks fine.  Don;t know if you have ever held one 
and seen how they go together and come apart - everything is magnetism - and 
there's one wire that goes to the center of the unit and when power is 
applied, the 2 pieceslock together magnetically.  Remove the power and they 
drop apart.  The one I have spins smoothly and the power wire is in good 
condition.  There's little else to consider.  I could clean and paint it to 
make it look great cosmetically but it's not really necessary.


   $25 plus shipping.  Pls send your address and I'll weigh it and 
calculate shipping.  It's pretty heavy - probably 12-18 #'s.  I have some 
accurate scales though.


   My paypal address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  - I suggest you use cut n 
paste as there's a couple of confusing letters in my address - the first 
digit is a lower case L and the 2nd digit is a Zero (numeric) - aftter that 
it's easy.


   Let me know -  Take care --

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From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



Talk to me Larry my boy

- Original Message - 
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



Do you have a replacement clutch?  I found one in my shed today when
cleaning it out -- 
Make you a deal -

;-)

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



I can change out the clutch on a York compressor, right?
The compresor works when is switched on but the clutch is rattly and
noisy
when the compressor is off.
Is this task covered in the manual?

So...when I start twisting wrenches tomorrow I get to fix the
ACcompressor
clutch, rebuild the vacuum pump and replace a headlight. An odd combo.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 173K
'87 Acura Legend  184K
Goodyear, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[John M McIntosh]

On May 30, 2007, at 6:41 AM, LarryT wrote:

That may not be a problem for you - and a big gas W126 is  
unequalled in comfort and security on the open road (unless you  
find a W140) - but just be prepared for a healthy maintanence program


Oddly enough my w140 is having it's 60K mile/92K km service completed  
today.  I'll let everyone know what the bill comes too.


I did pass on replacing the activated charcoal filter at this time  
which is $362 or so (internet pricing) plus you have to remove the  
wiper motor assembly to get at the filter housing, 3 hours labour?  
I'll look at that filter replacement next year after visiting the USA  
and picking it up somewhere to avoid the duty/taxes I'd normally have  
to pay in Canada, plus pricing is a bit better.  Well that and having  
it done today likely would have added another $1K to the bill.



PS as a maintenance item I replaced the heater manifold pipe  
distributor, which is a plastic 4 pipe creation that "T"s off coolant  
for the heater cores. It sits on top of the rear engine block and  
internet experience says they crack over time, dumping your  
antifreeze all over the engine, and likely toasting it if one is not  
paying attention.


 In replacing that part they discovered one of the heater hoses had  
a bulge in it and needed to be replaced,  requiring a two day wait  
here as the S shaped hose comes from  central parts.  Given the car  
is 15 years old I thought it was wise to check all that piping for  
issues.




John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Jim Cathey]

Also I believe the high side and low side valves are different, to
prevent consumers from accidentally connecting a recharge can to the
high side.  This was possible in R12 systems and led to injuries as
the can would explode under pressure.


This was possible in _some_ R12 systems, but some later ones had
different sized fittings to prevent this.  I have an adapter
or two that I use for this car and that.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Allan Streib]

"Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So, then there are actually TWO shrader valves, one on top of the
> other?  Or is the R12 one removed from the inside, then this R134
> with shrader fitted to the outside?  Or is the R12 Shrader still
> there and this is just an outer fitting?

As I recall, the stock R12 valve looks pretty much like the valve on a
tire.  The R134a valve is larger.  If the system was converted, an
adapter was simply screwed onto the original valve, and threadlocker
is supposed to be used to make it "permanent".

Also I believe the high side and low side valves are different, to
prevent consumers from accidentally connecting a recharge can to the
high side.  This was possible in R12 systems and led to injuries as
the can would explode under pressure.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

[MBZ] Awl

[Jim Cathey]

For the first time ever I've seen M1 15W50 at our Costco!  They usually
have two other weights (green and blue boxes), but this time they also
had the red boxes.  $30 for six quarts.  I didn't buy any, but I did
buy 6 gallons of Delo last time.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Jim Cathey]

So, then there are actually TWO shrader valves, one on top of the 
other?


No.  Either you remove the one in the R12 fitting before you put
on an R134a fitting that has its own, or the R134a fitting has
an extension to push the button on the R12's valve.  The latter is
a pita because when/if the valve needs servicing you can't get
to it.

I just take 'em off, blow/dump out as much of the evil oil-like
substance they've put in it, put in new R12 oil and recharge with
secret sauce.

I've done that once, on my wife's 560 SL.  We'll see how it holds
up.  (I used gasoline to sluice out the compressor when I had it
off for servicing.)  This summer will be its first real endurance
test, though it has sat and held a charge for nearly two years.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Bob Rentfro]

Larry T typed:

"gas engine will eat you out of house & home.  They constantly need 
*something* - no matter how nice or how well maintained.  Let them get a 
little behind on maintanence and thangs can get ugly (financially speaking) 
pretty fast.  I had a few gas MBs and all were the same.  $25 for this, $100 
for that, $10 for this, $500 for that - constantly needing a little here and 
a little there."


Exactly correct. I had a '68 280SE and an '86 190E. I spent far more in 
upkeep on those two than all four of the diesels I had combined.


Bob R.

Re: [MBZ] You think we love our Benzes....

[andrew strasfogel]

For some reason the link sent me to a Yahoo page with the message "Sorry the
page you requested was not found"

On 5/30/07, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hey guys.

We love our Benzes, but take a look at these guys...

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/S...50/lebanon.htm

Take care and appreciate all we have,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

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Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor

[Bob Rentfro]

SOLD!

Let me know off list where to send the moola and I 'll give you my address.
Thanks.

Bob R.


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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor


Yep, it worked when I removed it.  I thought it was the problem and 
replaced

it - when I opened it up I found the little wire running behind it was
chafed they and needed to be replaced - but I'll open the box and take a
look at it to be sure it's useable.

They are pretty basic - very seldom go bad except for the wiring.

New it was $100 from Advance Auto .  If it's acceptable how about $25? +
Shipping?  Used is usually 1/2 of new BTW.

I'll write in the next couple of hours with the condition - -

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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



I don't have a replacement yetyours available? Is it it viable?

Bob R.


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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



Do you have a replacement clutch?  I found one in my shed today when
cleaning it out -- 
Make you a deal -

;-)

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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



I can change out the clutch on a York compressor, right?
The compresor works when is switched on but the clutch is rattly and
noisy
when the compressor is off.
Is this task covered in the manual?

So...when I start twisting wrenches tomorrow I get to fix the
ACcompressor
clutch, rebuild the vacuum pump and replace a headlight. An odd combo.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 173K
'87 Acura Legend  184K
Goodyear, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage

[Rich Thomas]

That's energy not momentum.

--R

Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:04:42 -0500 Rich Thomas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Maybe roll cages and restraints are the answer, though m1v1=m2v2 still
applies?



It's an inelastic collision, so what applies is,

12  1   2
   ---  m  v=  --- m  v
21  1   2   2  2


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Gasser Heresy

[BillR]

You really should bite your tongue.  Not that I can buy it until my
disability suit gets settled.  I was told SS would be the hard one to get,
but they came through the first time [I just fit the criterion].  It is the
company disability policy that is giving me problems.
BillR

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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:49 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasser Heresy

> "Royce Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>
>> Anybody have any thoughts about why I shouldn't jump on this one?   
>> (other
>> than the fact that it's NOT a diesel...)
>>
>> Royce Engler
>> '85 300TD  298K
>>

Uh, because you could buy Don Snook's 300SEL with less than half the  
miles for less?

My indy drives a 420. He's got a couple hundred thousand on his, and  
said its starting to burn oil. Because the block is aluminum, they  
can't be bored.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[LarryT]

A gas engine will eat you out of house & home.  They constantly need 
*something* - no matter how nice or how well maintained.  Let them get a little 
behind on maintanence and thangs can get ugly (financially speaking) pretty 
fast.  I had a few gas MBs and all were the same.  $25 for this, $100 for that, 
$10 for this, $500 for that - constantly needing a little here and a little 
there.

That may not be a problem for you - and a big gas W126 is unequalled in comfort 
and security on the open road (unless you find a W140) - but just be prepared 
for a healthy maintanence program, especially with over 200K on the clock.  
Personally, I would not consider a gas engine with over 150K unless I was 
getting it cheap enough so I could rebuild it and not be unside-down.

I just don;t think I'd feel confident it would always get me home with so many 
miles on it.

But they're awesome cars when you're behind the wheel and you covering 
interstate at 80mph+ in near silence except for the stereo.  But I'd feel 
better in a diesel.

Good luck - 

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- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: [MBZ] HeresyI'm looking at a gasser.


>I drove by my Indy's shop the other day and saw a 420SEL sitting out front
> with $5500 and "Sweet" painted on the windshield.  Called him today about
> some work I'm thinking about doing on the 300TD and asked him about the SEL.
> I thought he said it was an '87, and has about 230K on it.   It supposedly
> is single owner, belonged to the owner of an oilfield tool company in
> Houston, who has recently been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and the family
> wants to sell the car.  Completely maintained according to the books, and
> the quick look I got, it was very nice.  Price is firm, and according to my
> Indy, a bargain.  I'm going by tomorrow afternoon to take a more detailed
> look and have him put it up on a rack for me.
> 
> Anybody have any thoughts about why I shouldn't jump on this one?  (other
> than the fact that it's NOT a diesel...)
> 
> Royce Engler
> '85 300TD  298K
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Levi Smith]

So, then there are actually TWO shrader valves, one on top of the other?  Or
is the R12 one removed from the inside, then this R134 with shrader fitted
to the outside?  Or is the R12 Shrader still there and this is just an outer
fitting?

Levi

On 5/30/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Hmm...  Dunno, I don't know what R12 connectors are like.

They look an awful lot like a big-brother version of your
basic tire valve stem.  (The metal part.)

> It *looks* like that's part of the pipe...  But for all I know,
> perhaps it's somehow threaded onto a smaller piece on the pipe?

Exactly.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor

[LarryT]

Yep, it worked when I removed it.  I thought it was the problem and replaced 
it - when I opened it up I found the little wire running behind it was 
chafed they and needed to be replaced - but I'll open the box and take a 
look at it to be sure it's useable.


They are pretty basic - very seldom go bad except for the wiring.

New it was $100 from Advance Auto .  If it's acceptable how about $25? + 
Shipping?  Used is usually 1/2 of new BTW.


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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



I don't have a replacement yetyours available? Is it it viable?

Bob R.


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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



Do you have a replacement clutch?  I found one in my shed today when
cleaning it out -- 
Make you a deal -

;-)

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- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



I can change out the clutch on a York compressor, right?
The compresor works when is switched on but the clutch is rattly and
noisy
when the compressor is off.
Is this task covered in the manual?

So...when I start twisting wrenches tomorrow I get to fix the
ACcompressor
clutch, rebuild the vacuum pump and replace a headlight. An odd combo.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 173K
'87 Acura Legend  184K
Goodyear, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Jim Cathey]

In an R12 system converted to R134a, I've heard that the service port
adapter fittings are "permanently" installed.  Is this done with
threadlocker?  Could they be removed to do a reverse conversion,
e.g. by using heat?


Yup.  And the cheapies don't even really need that.  I've removed
a connector or two, and have yet to need heat.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Allan Streib]

In an R12 system converted to R134a, I've heard that the service port
adapter fittings are "permanently" installed.  Is this done with
threadlocker?  Could they be removed to do a reverse conversion,
e.g. by using heat?

Allan

Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Hmm...  Dunno, I don't know what R12 connectors are like.
>
> They look an awful lot like a big-brother version of your
> basic tire valve stem.  (The metal part.)
>
>> It *looks* like that's part of the pipe...  But for all I know,
>> perhaps it's somehow threaded onto a smaller piece on the pipe?
>
> Exactly.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] water in Seattle

[Jim Cathey]

I lived in WA for a few years, couldn't take the constant liquid
sunshine. Never had to water anything though.


Not exactly true of the (much larger) dry eastern part of the
State.  The center is a nice dry sagebrush near-desert.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Jim Cathey]

Hmm...  Dunno, I don't know what R12 connectors are like.


They look an awful lot like a big-brother version of your
basic tire valve stem.  (The metal part.)


It *looks* like that's part of the pipe...  But for all I know,
perhaps it's somehow threaded onto a smaller piece on the pipe?


Exactly.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] water in Seattle

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

You're paying for it??? I'd think you'd be able to wring enough water 
out of your clothes to run the house there :-)


I lived in WA for a few years, couldn't take the constant liquid 
sunshine. Never had to water anything though.


-Robert

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>




If only it were so. Maybe you'd like to see my Metro bill.

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] Gasser Heresy

[Mike Canfield]

Sounds like an awful lot of good reasons to not buy that car to me and I 
haven't even seen it.


Mike
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasser Heresy



"Royce Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:



Anybody have any thoughts about why I shouldn't jump on this one?
(other
than the fact that it's NOT a diesel...)

Royce Engler
'85 300TD  298K



Uh, because you could buy Don Snook's 300SEL with less than half the
miles for less?

My indy drives a 420. He's got a couple hundred thousand on his, and
said its starting to burn oil. Because the block is aluminum, they
can't be bored.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Gasser Heresy

[Dan Weeks]

"Royce Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:



Anybody have any thoughts about why I shouldn't jump on this one?   
(other

than the fact that it's NOT a diesel...)

Royce Engler
'85 300TD  298K



Uh, because you could buy Don Snook's 300SEL with less than half the  
miles for less?


My indy drives a 420. He's got a couple hundred thousand on his, and  
said its starting to burn oil. Because the block is aluminum, they  
can't be bored.


Dan

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Levi Smith]

Hmm...  Dunno, I don't know what R12 connectors are like.  There's a dust
cap that screws on to a "pop-on" coupling that works with any of the R134
refill kits.  It *looks* like that's part of the pipe...  But for all I
know, perhaps it's somehow threaded onto a smaller piece on the pipe?

This is sounding like I'm going to be better off to take it to someone who
knows what they're doing until I've seen it done once...

Levi

On 5/29/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



What kind of R134 connectors do you have?
The ones with their own schrader valves, or the ones that fit over
the R12 service connector and have a little pushrod to open the
original schrader valve? If the latter, can you fix the leak by
removing the adapter (or was it coated in permanent threadlocker?).

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Re: [MBZ] water in Seattle

[BillR]

This discussion is reminding me why I like my deep well and backup generator
for hurricanes.  No water or sewer bill, except for the every 5 years or so
pump out bill.
BillR
Jacksonville FL

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:23 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] water in Seattle

> < water is never an issue. He just goes out to the rain barrel and 
> scoops up a bucket for all his water needs.  Since it rains 13 out of 
> 12 months in Seattle, he has no use for potable water.  Except maybe 
> to wash the blue handle on the fuel pump.  But for that he just uses 
> the spigot at the card lock.>>
> 
If only it were so. Maybe you'd like to see my Metro bill.

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Jeff Zedic]

I'd buy Kaleb's car if I were you. Remember, it'll have the lifetime waranty
on it! All the free spares you can handle!

Jeff Zedic

Re: [MBZ] Right of way

[Zoltan Finks]

Okay, I'll do all that. Thanks, RLE.

Brian


On 5/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> < notice one of these little signs posted at the right edge of the bike
trail. And
> I was upset that two cars did not yield to me. I honestly did not think
they
> had the right of way to cross into the straight-line path of bicycle
traffic
> on the trail. Wife pointed out the miniature stop sign to me. That's
cool.
>
> It looks like you had better read up on responsibilities and rights of
bicycle riders when using the public right of way. It's in the traffic
code in your
state. On Seattle's Burke-Gilman trail, automobiles crossing the trail
always
have the right of way and are protected by full size stop signs. If the
rider
is on his bike, he must stop and yield. If he dismounts, he becomes a
pedestrian with the rights of same and I would probably stop for him.
Otherwise, I
don't stop. BTW, the trail and streets are publicly owned.

And when I am planning a right turn, I get close to the curb to prevent
anyone passing me on the right. Remember, when you are mounted, you are a
vehicle.

RLE
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[MBZ] You think we love our Benzes....

[Chuck Landenberger]

 Hey guys.

We love our Benzes, but take a look at these guys...

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/S...50/lebanon.htm

 Take care and appreciate all we have,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

[MBZ] Right of way

[RELNGSON]

> < notice one of these little signs posted at the right edge of the bike trail. 
> And 
> I was upset that two cars did not yield to me. I honestly did not think they 
> had the right of way to cross into the straight-line path of bicycle traffic 
> on the trail. Wife pointed out the miniature stop sign to me. That's cool.
> 
> It looks like you had better read up on responsibilities and rights of 
bicycle riders when using the public right of way. It's in the traffic code in 
your 
state. On Seattle's Burke-Gilman trail, automobiles crossing the trail always 
have the right of way and are protected by full size stop signs. If the rider 
is on his bike, he must stop and yield. If he dismounts, he becomes a 
pedestrian with the rights of same and I would probably stop for him. 
Otherwise, I 
don't stop. BTW, the trail and streets are publicly owned.

And when I am planning a right turn, I get close to the curb to prevent 
anyone passing me on the right. Remember, when you are mounted, you are a 
vehicle.

RLE
> 
> 




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Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor

[Bob Rentfro]

I don't have a replacement yetyours available? Is it it viable?

Bob R.


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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



Do you have a replacement clutch?  I found one in my shed today when
cleaning it out -- 
Make you a deal -

;-)

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



I can change out the clutch on a York compressor, right?
The compresor works when is switched on but the clutch is rattly and 
noisy

when the compressor is off.
Is this task covered in the manual?

So...when I start twisting wrenches tomorrow I get to fix the 
ACcompressor

clutch, rebuild the vacuum pump and replace a headlight. An odd combo.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 173K
'87 Acura Legend  184K
Goodyear, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] water in Seattle

[Rich Thomas]

Sounds like that "beer" y'all make out that way.

--R

Redghost wrote:
What!?!  You are paying for that stuff that just falls from the sky  
all day every day?


Get thee down to Magnuson park for some of the rain barrels and set  
yourself up.  Cisterns and all allow me to wash Gump with vintage  
water and I then reclaim it to use in the throne room.  From there it  
goes to the bioremediation swamp, before being released into the  
local salmon spawning stream.


  

Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Hendrik Riessen]

Yes there was a bad batch of cams that found it's way into the Merc V8's but 
I am pretty sure given the mileage that it is either not one of the affected 
ones or has been replaced.


- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph Morton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HeresyI'm looking at a gasser.




--- "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Go with your heart.




And your wallet, in the event the cams need
replacement (a common issue in these engines.)

RM

Re: [MBZ] water in Seattle

[Redghost]

What!?!  You are paying for that stuff that just falls from the sky  
all day every day?


Get thee down to Magnuson park for some of the rain barrels and set  
yourself up.  Cisterns and all allow me to wash Gump with vintage  
water and I then reclaim it to use in the throne room.  From there it  
goes to the bioremediation swamp, before being released into the  
local salmon spawning stream.



On May 29, 2007, at 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


<>


If only it were so. Maybe you'd like to see my Metro bill.

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123

[tom savage]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Wonder what country has such cheap labor that this restoration makes
economic sense?


Croatia.  From what I understand he bought the donor 500SE only to find 
out it had Bosnian papers and couldn't be registered, so he decided to 
build the car of his dreams instead.  Hard to imagine he couldn't find a 
better 123, but if you like to weld and are going to take the whole 
thing apart anyway, may as well shop on price and not condition.


I'm still awestruck at the amount of work he's putting into that thing.

Tom

Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Ralph Morton]

Ooops.  You are correct.  The issues apply to the
M116, not M117.

RM


--- "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> actually, the 420 has the m116 engine.
> 
> Ralph Morton wrote:
> > --- Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> Personally I think 230K is a lot of miles for a
> >> gasoline engine.  I
> >> don't know specifically how they compare to the
> >> diesels for
> >> longevity. of course a lot depends on the
> >> maintenance history.
> >>
> >> Remember it will take premium ga$oline.
> > 
> > The M117 engine in this car has a history of
> eating
> > cams well before the indicated mileage of this
> car. 
> > Worse than that, the likelihood of head bolt holes
> > stripping out while removing and replacing heads
> in
> > the process is far more common.  I have it on good
> > authority that about 1 in 4 of these require
> Helicoils
> > due to head bolt holes stripping.   And it's not
> an
> > easy job, as the bolt holes are not perpendicular
> to
> > the block, meaning you have to get the special MB
> jig
> > to drill them out.
> > 
> > Be very, very careful.
> > 
> > RM
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

actually, the 420 has the m116 engine.

Ralph Morton wrote:

--- Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Personally I think 230K is a lot of miles for a
gasoline engine.  I
don't know specifically how they compare to the
diesels for
longevity. of course a lot depends on the
maintenance history.

Remember it will take premium ga$oline.


The M117 engine in this car has a history of eating
cams well before the indicated mileage of this car. 
Worse than that, the likelihood of head bolt holes

stripping out while removing and replacing heads in
the process is far more common.  I have it on good
authority that about 1 in 4 of these require Helicoils
due to head bolt holes stripping.   And it's not an
easy job, as the bolt holes are not perpendicular to
the block, meaning you have to get the special MB jig
to drill them out.

Be very, very careful.

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 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
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Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

well, lets see, for the same price, you can buy my '90 with WAY fewer 
miles on it.  It will have the updated interior, updated sound system, 
updated tranny and so forth.


http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=222085001&dealer_id=60113513&car_year=1990&search_type=both&num_records=&keywordsfyc=&make=MB&transmission=&model=420SEL&distance=25&make2=&address=74017&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=5



Royce Engler wrote:

I drove by my Indy's shop the other day and saw a 420SEL sitting out front
with $5500 and "Sweet" painted on the windshield.  Called him today about
some work I'm thinking about doing on the 300TD and asked him about the SEL.
I thought he said it was an '87, and has about 230K on it.   It supposedly
is single owner, belonged to the owner of an oilfield tool company in
Houston, who has recently been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and the family
wants to sell the car.  Completely maintained according to the books, and
the quick look I got, it was very nice.  Price is firm, and according to my
Indy, a bargain.  I'm going by tomorrow afternoon to take a more detailed
look and have him put it up on a rack for me.

Anybody have any thoughts about why I shouldn't jump on this one?  (other
than the fact that it's NOT a diesel...)

Royce Engler
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Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Ralph Morton]

--- Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Personally I think 230K is a lot of miles for a
> gasoline engine.  I
> don't know specifically how they compare to the
> diesels for
> longevity. of course a lot depends on the
> maintenance history.
> 
> Remember it will take premium ga$oline.

The M117 engine in this car has a history of eating
cams well before the indicated mileage of this car. 
Worse than that, the likelihood of head bolt holes
stripping out while removing and replacing heads in
the process is far more common.  I have it on good
authority that about 1 in 4 of these require Helicoils
due to head bolt holes stripping.   And it's not an
easy job, as the bolt holes are not perpendicular to
the block, meaning you have to get the special MB jig
to drill them out.

Be very, very careful.

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[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST
CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
--  -  - ---  -   -  ---  -  -  -
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070528  2.817  2.811  2.888   2.882   2.773   2.783   2.776  2.980  2.939
2.975
070521  2.803  2.798  2.884   2.873   2.758   2.773   2.747  2.993  2.921
2.955
070514  2.773  2.758  2.866   2.843   2.711   2.740   2.713  2.998  2.919
2.952
070507  2.792  2.781  2.874   2.867   2.735   2.754   2.744  2.995  2.935
2.974
070430  2.811  2.800  2.871   2.873   2.762   2.775   2.766  2.988  2.952
2.987
070423  2.851  2.837  2.864   2.877   2.817   2.831   2.815  2.978  2.953
3.004
070416  2.877  2.862  2.871   2.885   2.852   2.864   2.849  2.981  2.956
3.015
070409  2.840  2.813  2.821   2.852   2.796   2.835   2.810  2.951  2.921
2.978
070402  2.790  2.764  2.786   2.820   2.739   2.780   2.766  2.884  2.885
2.939
070326  2.676  2.657  2.713   2.711   2.630   2.655   2.643  2.780  2.803
2.869
070319  2.681  2.661  2.722   2.719   2.631   2.666   2.640  2.765  2.813
2.875
070312  2.685  2.669  2.730   2.719   2.643   2.673   2.644  2.736  2.811
2.899
070305  2.626  2.604  2.693   2.668   2.568   2.606   2.587  2.658  2.795
2.897
070226  2.551  2.526  2.650   2.598   2.483   2.523   2.497  2.568  2.790
2.911
070219  2.491  2.479  2.636   2.581   2.421   2.444   2.418  2.517  2.784
2.901
070212  2.476  2.465  2.625   2.564   2.408   2.429   2.394  2.517  2.777
2.905
070205  2.435  2.433  2.593   2.527   2.378   2.377   2.360  2.523  2.720
2.825
070129  2.413  2.406  2.570   2.508   2.347   2.349   2.347  2.556  2.687
2.761
070122  2.430  2.421  2.582   2.525   2.361   2.371   2.361  2.586  2.695
2.742
070115  2.463  2.437  2.622   2.559   2.368   2.408   2.391  2.625  2.749
2.773
070108  2.537  2.520  2.672   2.633   2.458   2.483   2.459  2.682  2.824
2.856
070101  2.580  2.565  2.710   2.681   2.503   2.534   2.500  2.697  2.853
2.883
061225  2.596  2.587  2.737   2.710   2.520   2.550   2.514  2.713  2.856
2.885
061218  2.606  2.599  2.730   2.722   2.535   2.555   2.519  2.716  2.887
2.917
061211  2.621  2.610  2.749   2.730   2.546   2.563   2.540  2.724  2.931
2.963
061204  2.618  2.610  2.716   2.717   2.555   2.578   2.537  2.707  2.860
2.860
061127  2.567  2.537  2.634   2.652   2.479   2.554   2.490  2.680  2.760
2.710
061120  2.553  2.521  2.625   2.638   2.461   2.554   2.469  2.647  2.724
2.690
061113  2.552  2.530  2.616   2.643   2.473   2.562   2.470  2.623  2.673
2.677
061106  2.506  2.508  2.613   2.628   2.448   2.493   2.449  2.577  2.606
2.637
061030  2.517  2.530  2.629   2.646   2.472   2.501   2.462  2.577  2.602
2.645
061023  2.524  2.537  2.636   2.651   2.480   2.502   2.477  2.563  2.628
2.669
061016  2.503  2.521  2.623   2.636   2.462   2.459   2.461  2.539  2.655
2.703
061009  2.506  2.533  2.649   2.654   2.471   2.448   2.446  2.584  2.697
2.751
061002  2.546  2.567  2.678   2.694   2.503   2.467   2.490  2.679  2.789
2.835
060925  2.595  2.600  2.730   2.746   2.526   2.506   2.526  2.827  2.892
2.910
060918  2.713  2.699  2.832   2.844   2.625   2.624   2.636  3.052  3.014
3.002
060911  2.857  2.826  2.955   2.958   2.757   2.787   2.770  3.236  3.137
3.125
060904  2.967  2.911  3.009   3.032   2.850   2.937   2.872  3.318  3.199
3.175
060828  3.027  2.955  3.035   3.074   2.897   3.026   2.923  3.346  3.229
3.200
060821  3.033  2.953  3.049   3.078   2.890   3.041   2.923  3.349  3.237
3.221
060814  3.065  3.017  3.077   3.130   2.964   3.065   2.974  3.

Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Allan Streib]

Personally I think 230K is a lot of miles for a gasoline engine.  I
don't know specifically how they compare to the diesels for
longevity. of course a lot depends on the maintenance history.

Remember it will take premium ga$oline.

"Royce Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I drove by my Indy's shop the other day and saw a 420SEL sitting out front
> with $5500 and "Sweet" painted on the windshield.  Called him today about
> some work I'm thinking about doing on the 300TD and asked him about the SEL.
> I thought he said it was an '87, and has about 230K on it.   It supposedly
> is single owner, belonged to the owner of an oilfield tool company in
> Houston, who has recently been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and the family
> wants to sell the car.  Completely maintained according to the books, and
> the quick look I got, it was very nice.  Price is firm, and according to my
> Indy, a bargain.  I'm going by tomorrow afternoon to take a more detailed
> look and have him put it up on a rack for me.
>
> Anybody have any thoughts about why I shouldn't jump on this one?  (other
> than the fact that it's NOT a diesel...)
>
> Royce Engler
> '85 300TD  298K
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[John Freer]

I can come up with 3 items Royce,

1. Timing chain
2. Timing chain
3. Timing chain

My apologies to the real estate industry.

On 5/29/07, Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I drove by my Indy's shop the other day and saw a 420SEL sitting out front
with $5500 and "Sweet" painted on the windshield.  Called him today about
some work I'm thinking about doing on the 300TD and asked him about the SEL.
I thought he said it was an '87, and has about 230K on it.   It supposedly
is single owner, belonged to the owner of an oilfield tool company in
Houston, who has recently been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and the family
wants to sell the car.  Completely maintained according to the books, and
the quick look I got, it was very nice.  Price is firm, and according to my
Indy, a bargain.  I'm going by tomorrow afternoon to take a more detailed
look and have him put it up on a rack for me.

Anybody have any thoughts about why I shouldn't jump on this one?  (other
than the fact that it's NOT a diesel...)

Royce Engler
'85 300TD  298K



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Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Sunil Hari]

how long do the gasser engines last?

if it's a car that you'll look back and say, "I -wish- I'd bought that!"
you've got to buy it.  Cars come and go, but regret lasts a looong
time.  I'm still regretting not buying a particular wagon 1.5 years ago.

On 5/29/07, Ralph Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



--- "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Go with your heart.
>


And your wallet, in the event the cams need
replacement (a common issue in these engines.)

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Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Ralph Morton]

--- "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Go with your heart.
> 


And your wallet, in the event the cams need
replacement (a common issue in these engines.)

RM


   
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Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel

[Royce Engler]

On 5/29/07, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road 
> bicycling...

John, I am so sorry for your loss.  Please know that we'll remember you and
your wife in our prayers.

Royce Engler

Re: [MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Go with your heart.

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Royce Engler
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:19 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] HeresyI'm looking at a gasser.

I drove by my Indy's shop the other day and saw a 420SEL sitting out front
with $5500 and "Sweet" painted on the windshield.  Called him today about
some work I'm thinking about doing on the 300TD and asked him about the SEL.
I thought he said it was an '87, and has about 230K on it.   It supposedly
is single owner, belonged to the owner of an oilfield tool company in
Houston, who has recently been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and the family
wants to sell the car.  Completely maintained according to the books, and
the quick look I got, it was very nice.  Price is firm, and according to my
Indy, a bargain.  I'm going by tomorrow afternoon to take a more detailed
look and have him put it up on a rack for me.

Anybody have any thoughts about why I shouldn't jump on this one?  (other
than the fact that it's NOT a diesel...)

Royce Engler
'85 300TD  298K



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Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor

[Bob Rentfro]

Talk to me Larry my boy

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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



Do you have a replacement clutch?  I found one in my shed today when
cleaning it out -- 
Make you a deal -

;-)

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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



I can change out the clutch on a York compressor, right?
The compresor works when is switched on but the clutch is rattly and 
noisy

when the compressor is off.
Is this task covered in the manual?

So...when I start twisting wrenches tomorrow I get to fix the 
ACcompressor

clutch, rebuild the vacuum pump and replace a headlight. An odd combo.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 173K
'87 Acura Legend  184K
Goodyear, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] water in Seattle

[RELNGSON]

> < water is never an issue. He just goes out to the rain barrel and 
> scoops up a bucket for all his water needs.  Since it rains 13 out of 
> 12 months in Seattle, he has no use for potable water.  Except maybe 
> to wash the blue handle on the fuel pump.  But for that he just uses 
> the spigot at the card lock.>>
> 
If only it were so. Maybe you'd like to see my Metro bill.

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[MBZ] Heresy....I'm looking at a gasser.

[Royce Engler]

I drove by my Indy's shop the other day and saw a 420SEL sitting out front
with $5500 and "Sweet" painted on the windshield.  Called him today about
some work I'm thinking about doing on the 300TD and asked him about the SEL.
I thought he said it was an '87, and has about 230K on it.   It supposedly
is single owner, belonged to the owner of an oilfield tool company in
Houston, who has recently been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and the family
wants to sell the car.  Completely maintained according to the books, and
the quick look I got, it was very nice.  Price is firm, and according to my
Indy, a bargain.  I'm going by tomorrow afternoon to take a more detailed
look and have him put it up on a rack for me.

Anybody have any thoughts about why I shouldn't jump on this one?  (other
than the fact that it's NOT a diesel...)

Royce Engler
'85 300TD  298K

Re: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor

[LarryT]

Do you have a replacement clutch?  I found one in my shed today when 
cleaning it out -- 
Make you a deal -

;-)

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Subject: [MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor



I can change out the clutch on a York compressor, right?
The compresor works when is switched on but the clutch is rattly and noisy 
when the compressor is off.

Is this task covered in the manual?

So...when I start twisting wrenches tomorrow I get to fix the ACcompressor 
clutch, rebuild the vacuum pump and replace a headlight. An odd combo.


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 173K
'87 Acura Legend  184K
Goodyear, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Mitch Haley]

What kind of R134 connectors do you have?
The ones with their own schrader valves, or the ones that fit over
the R12 service connector and have a little pushrod to open the
original schrader valve? If the latter, can you fix the leak by
removing the adapter (or was it coated in permanent threadlocker?).

[MBZ] Clutch on a York Compressor

[Bob Rentfro]

I can change out the clutch on a York compressor, right?
The compresor works when is switched on but the clutch is rattly and noisy when 
the compressor is off.
Is this task covered in the manual?

So...when I start twisting wrenches tomorrow I get to fix the ACcompressor 
clutch, rebuild the vacuum pump and replace a headlight. An odd combo.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 173K
'87 Acura Legend  184K
Goodyear, AZ
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> Levi Smith wrote:
> > Hmm, ok anyone happen to know if there's any particular size to the low side
> > of that R134 in my 83' 300D?  I started calling a couple auto parts places
> > and they are telling me that there are lots of different sizes...
> > I was hoping that by some miracle I might be able to get the valve swapped
> > without losing the ENTIRE charge of R134...  Or am I just dreaming?  Of
> > course this would necessitate having a new one ready to go before pulling
> > the old one...

It seems than at Tue, 29 May 2007 18:32:40 -0500, Kaleb wrote:

> If you have to swap the actual schrader valve, you will have to drain
> the system first.
>

Unless you have one of those fancy tools that actually allow you
to loose almost none of the change while changing the valve core.

Like
http://www.chain-auto-tools.com/air_conditioner_tools/AMC779R.htm

-- Philip