Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
You must be joking! capitalism works when free to operate properly. supply demand always works - prices float to the level the public is willing to pay. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Sort of like the private sector? On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up being filled with corruption and fraud. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered. URGH!!! On Jan 4, 2008 7:34 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and offer solutions for major problems that face America. Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned. Join up and I'm sure everyone will start talking about it again. :) John .. Just joined. Thanks, John. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
prices float to the level the public is willing to pay. People are willing to pay whatever they have to so they don't get sick and die. That's why capitalism sucks when applied to health care. Nobody is going to say fifty thousand dollars to remove that cancerous tumor? Highway robbery! I'll die slow and painful instead. Lee LarryT wrote: You must be joking! capitalism works when free to operate properly. supply demand always works - prices float to the level the public is willing to pay. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Sort of like the private sector? On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up being filled with corruption and fraud. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered. URGH!!! On Jan 4, 2008 7:34 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and offer solutions for major problems that face America. Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned. Join up and I'm sure everyone will start talking about it again. :) John .. Just joined. Thanks, John. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas 123 for Dan
It seems than at Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:36:49 -0500, Gary wrote: that is actually very common. they believe that manual transmission and five speed are synonyms. i know a guy who drove hundreds of miles to pick up a five speed from a junk yard only to learn that to these people a transmission is either automatic or five speed. I guess that's like the time I took scrap metal to the recyclers. They gave me a price on the aluminum transmissions, the copper wire, and the tin. I said, This isn't tin, it iron and steel. The scale guy looked at me funny, so I pulled my pocket screwdriver with the magnet on the back and said, See? The magnet wouldn't stick to tin - only iron and steel. He finally said, Yeah. We call that tin. Oh. Silly me for thinking tin was a different metal than iron! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1977 280E QUESTIONS was 123 Gasser for Dan
Dan Weeks wrote: What should I ask about? Any info about these cars appreciated. What does euro mean in terms of engine HP, Mileage, etc.? Also, what differences from US-spec 123s should I know about? Can I get it serviced anywhere that would service a US Spec benz of this vintage? I had a 1982 Euro 280E. I did not have any trouble getting it serviced at an Indy Mercedes shop. My only complaint with the car was that the cloth seats were very itchy and the gas mileage wasn't very good. Lots of power and in the 2 years I had the car, I had NO problems. Mine had 120K miles when I got it and almost 150,000 miles I traded it on a 124 diesel. I paid $1500 for it when I got it and got $1000 trade to the same guy I bought it from. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
No, the problem is the LACK of capitalism in healthcare. Before health insurance, healthcare costs were reasonable. That is why HSA will work. If people can shop with their healthcare dollars, the bloated administrations will die. The current system of third party payers provides the anonymity that corruption loves, NO incentive for the consumer to shop (in many cases it is prohibited) and with the government collusion, we have $300 bandaids in place of $1000 toilet seats the government is famous for. Ever look at what a hospital charges for a bandaid or an aspirin ... Ohyeah, we can't have aspirin, because a designer drug can be sold for much more! At 07:44 AM 1/11/2008, you wrote: Unfortunately, a good percentage of the public cannot afford to pay for healthcare. Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. If you have ever had payment for a necessary medical procedure denied by a 'private industry' healthcare insurer, you know what I mean. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 7:26 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be joking! capitalism works when free to operate properly. supply demand always works - prices float to the level the public is willing to pay. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Sort of like the private sector? On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up being filled with corruption and fraud. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered. URGH!!! On Jan 4, 2008 7:34 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and offer solutions for major problems that face America. Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned. Join up and I'm sure everyone will start talking about it again. :) John .. Just joined. Thanks, John. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. Any proposed replacement that doesn't allow for meaningful competition, wherein dissatisfied 'customers' can't vote with their feet (and associated dollars) is doomed to fail. My wife was really put off by the 'cattle barn' mentality of the public school kindergarten that my son is entitled (?) to go to. They wouldn't even talk to her. Told her to wait for the open house, which is after school starts and LONG after any decision about where to go must be made. (Anybody remember Lily Tomlin's phone operator character? We're the phone company. We don't care, we don't have to.) My son now goes to a small private school. Does the PS care? Not at all, they're still getting my tax money. I get to pay twice. Fortunately we can afford to do so, but I guarantee you that if the PS was paying out to our private school they would have some serious incentive to clean up their act, because we wouldn't be alone in opting out. Systems that extract payment for services at the point of a gun, and allow no choice as to how the money is to be spent, are evil. Well-packaged and advertised perhaps, but evil. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Gm Diesel has no Manifolds
I wonder if there will be significant heating/cooling issues there? --R Tom Hargrave wrote: It has manifolds. The exhaust manifold is in the center, where the intake would be and the intake manifolds are incorporated in the cam covers. They did this to cut cost. The design lets them run one center mounted turbo instead of two, one on each side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Until everyone that needs medical attention can get it, I don't really care if some of us have to put up with inconveniences. No doubt, we will always be able to pay more and get better service - even for our health care. This IS America, after all... I love it when pudgy white upper middle class men argue about the details of coverage while the bottom 20% of the population tries to get by with little or no health care. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 9:25 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. Any proposed replacement that doesn't allow for meaningful competition, wherein dissatisfied 'customers' can't vote with their feet (and associated dollars) is doomed to fail. My wife was really put off by the 'cattle barn' mentality of the public school kindergarten that my son is entitled (?) to go to. They wouldn't even talk to her. Told her to wait for the open house, which is after school starts and LONG after any decision about where to go must be made. (Anybody remember Lily Tomlin's phone operator character? We're the phone company. We don't care, we don't have to.) My son now goes to a small private school. Does the PS care? Not at all, they're still getting my tax money. I get to pay twice. Fortunately we can afford to do so, but I guarantee you that if the PS was paying out to our private school they would have some serious incentive to clean up their act, because we wouldn't be alone in opting out. Systems that extract payment for services at the point of a gun, and allow no choice as to how the money is to be spent, are evil. Well-packaged and advertised perhaps, but evil. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
Bodacious! --R Donald Snook wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Is the world ready for small tatas? I prefer medium to large tatas. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 300TD Wagon with a loud Turbo
Hi. my benz has started having a problem with the turbo being very loud upon acceleration. --Michael That's a _feature_ isn't it? My guess is the flex pipe between the turbo and the rest of the tail pipe - if you want to disable the feature. *grin* --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
No, WAY more than anything that can exist in business. Nothing in business can be screwed up the way a government can screw it up At 11:04 PM 1/10/2008, you wrote: Sort of like the private sector? On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up being filled with corruption and fraud. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered. URGH!!! On Jan 4, 2008 7:34 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and offer solutions for major problems that face America. Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned. Join up and I'm sure everyone will start talking about it again. :) John .. Just joined. Thanks, John. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Gm Diesel has no Manifolds
It has manifolds. The exhaust manifold is in the center, where the intake would be and the intake manifolds are incorporated in the cam covers. They did this to cut cost. The design lets them run one center mounted turbo instead of two, one on each side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] New Gm Diesel has no Manifolds Sounds pretty interesting http://www.sae.org/automag/technewsletter/080108Tech/01.htm Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Unfortunately, a good percentage of the public cannot afford to pay for healthcare. Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. If you have ever had payment for a necessary medical procedure denied by a 'private industry' healthcare insurer, you know what I mean. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 7:26 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be joking! capitalism works when free to operate properly. supply demand always works - prices float to the level the public is willing to pay. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Sort of like the private sector? On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up being filled with corruption and fraud. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered. URGH!!! On Jan 4, 2008 7:34 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and offer solutions for major problems that face America. Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned. Join up and I'm sure everyone will start talking about it again. :) John .. Just joined. Thanks, John. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
Is the world ready for small tatas? --R Mitch Haley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.just-auto.com/article.aspx?ID=93532lk=dm%20%5BO%5D 623cc, 33hp, a bubble with four wheels at the corners? It's a modern day BMW Isetta 600! 7hp stronger and 20cm longer, but that's 50 years of progress for ya. http://microcarmuseum.com/tour/bmw600.html Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Tom, I would have to totally disagree. My GF does not have insurance, her employer keeps working her just below the point to qualify for insurance. I am personally knowledgeable of two emergency room visits: Seen by triage - just as fast as anyone else. Seen by billing clerk - ditto. Wait for nurse/doctor care - hours of waiting until you are taken to the ER directly. Then you further wait an hour or more until you are seen by a live person. Treated by doctor/nurse - one visits doctor care was excellent the other terrible. Nurse care poor on both circumstances. A month later? You receive a bill for $800 to $1,200 hundred dollars. The cause of this bill? One chest X-Ray, doctors consultation, ER fees, two codone based pain pills and a notice to see another doctor tomorrow for follow through care. That's insurance Or how about personal experiences? I am retired USAF Surely or government treats it Vietnam Vets better than the average person? Choice of Doctors? I am free to choose however I wish. Unfortunately most do not take Champus (MY Government insurance). ER care? Yes they do accept Champus. But wait till you get the bill for the amount not approved by Champus! I am 55 years of age and disabled - Who the heck do you think is gong to give my any kind of insurance health or life? Dave H... -- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:07 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance Walk into any public hospital with no money no insurance you will discover that we all do have healthcare. Some of my relatives are poor they do this any time they are sick. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance Until everyone that needs medical attention can get it, I don't really care if some of us have to put up with inconveniences. No doubt, we will always be able to pay more and get better service - even for our health care. This IS America, after all... I love it when pudgy white upper middle class men argue about the details of coverage while the bottom 20% of the population tries to get by with little or no health care. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 9:25 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. Any proposed replacement that doesn't allow for meaningful competition, wherein dissatisfied 'customers' can't vote with their feet (and associated dollars) is doomed to fail. My wife was really put off by the 'cattle barn' mentality of the public school kindergarten that my son is entitled (?) to go to. They wouldn't even talk to her. Told her to wait for the open house, which is after school starts and LONG after any decision about where to go must be made. (Anybody remember Lily Tomlin's phone operator character? We're the phone company. We don't care, we don't have to.) My son now goes to a small private school. Does the PS care? Not at all, they're still getting my tax money. I get to pay twice. Fortunately we can afford to do so, but I guarantee you that if the PS was paying out to our private school they would have some serious incentive to clean up their act, because we wouldn't be alone in opting out. Systems that extract payment for services at the point of a gun, and allow no choice as to how the money is to be spent, are evil. Well-packaged and advertised perhaps, but evil. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Your experience is atypical - and that's a good thing. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 9:26 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, I am disabled - have been for over 10 years with a disease not many people have ever heard of (Chronic Inflammatory Demylinating Polyneuropathy - the mylin covering the nerves is being attacked by antibodies in my blood) - in case you wanted to know. I've had all kinds of procedures, operations, ad every other kind of medical thingie performed on me during that time and not once did the several insurance companies I had deny or even slow down payment for something a doctor ordered.Even when changing carriers they always picked me up even with a pre-existing condition. Maybe I've been lucky? IMHO, the number of appropriate procedures ordered where insurance companies deny payment is pretty small. I think the media has taken a few and blown them out or proportion - which is what they always do. I know people have had horror stories where *payment for* treatment was denied - and the media was informed and news careers were made. But when that happens, the hospital has always been ready to make arrangements for payment - it might be $50/mo for life but the procedure can be done. Usually the only procedures denied payment are experimental ones - but the line must be drawn somewhere. If something works in rats doesn't mean it will work in people. There's a difference between treating people and research. What if a experimental procedure kills someone? Is the insurance co partly responsible because it approved payment? Perhaps - the legal system is a tangled web. Have a nice weekend - we may have to agree to disagee. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Unfortunately, a good percentage of the public cannot afford to pay for healthcare. Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. If you have ever had payment for a necessary medical procedure denied by a 'private industry' healthcare insurer, you know what I mean. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 7:26 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be joking! capitalism works when free to operate properly. supply demand always works - prices float to the level the public is willing to pay. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Sort of like the private sector? On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up being filled with corruption and fraud. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered. URGH!!! On Jan 4, 2008 7:34 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and offer solutions for major problems that face America. Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned. Join up and I'm sure everyone will start talking about it again. :) John .. Just joined. Thanks, John. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list
[MBZ] New Gm Diesel has no Manifolds
Sounds pretty interesting http://www.sae.org/automag/technewsletter/080108Tech/01.htm Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
Rich Thomas wrote: Is the world ready for small tatas? I prefer medium to large tatas. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Loren Faeth wrote: No, WAY more than anything that can exist in business. Nothing in business can be screwed up the way a government can screw it up Nothing in *continuing business* can be that screwed up, because businesses run like governments fail quickly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Education
LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am all for privatization of schools for the reasons given earlier. We have a superintendent that is the product of nepotism, making over a quarter of a million a year, and she barely has a Master's degree. Check out any school superintendent in the other top ten school districts in the nation (we're currently 7th or 8th) and you won't find one that has anything less than a Ph.D. Here, the superintendent is hired by an elected school board. I assumed it was that way everywhere. So, the position is effectively a political appointment. We've had some really good ones in the past (thinking of one in particular, and he had an Ed.D.) but lately they seem to unremarkable. The school board candidates often run unopposed, so it's quite an incestuous situation. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Actually - that would violate the Constitution. Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 12:19 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not but we are fast heading towards Socialism with our current entitlement culture. I guess it's OK until the government gains so much control that you'll need a pass to drive over to the next state, right? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:10 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have to question the underlying and unstated assumption that it's the Federal Government's job to provide health care for all. What paragraph of the Constitution authorizes that? Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
My bad. Sorry, but I have to leave to make a living so I can afford my health insurance premiums. I have a server that needs attention. Later... -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 12:23 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you don't care about people that cannot get adequate medical treatment, I can't help you. I'm glad that everyone in your world is doing well, really. You are jumping to conclusions. I was responding to the earlier point about private insurers deny claims for necessary treatment, with my personal experience that the only denials my family and I ever encountered being from the government plan (Medicare). Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you don't care about people that cannot get adequate medical treatment, I can't help you. I'm glad that everyone in your world is doing well, really. You are jumping to conclusions. I was responding to the earlier point about private insurers deny claims for necessary treatment, with my personal experience that the only denials my family and I ever encountered being from the government plan (Medicare). Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
figure i should join the navy? can i have my own nuclear sub? On Jan 11, 2008 11:13 AM, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then again, I'm a health-care provider in another government-run program - the US Navy. I can say that our quality of care and billing procedures and coverage are second to none. Billing is easy when it's all free. And with every procedure and every patient I've seen, cost has been no object - if doctors wanted it, it was done. I've been given thousands of dollars in vaccinations and medications at zero cost to me. Interestingly, despite every doctor being salaried and not being paid per patient, I haven't seen a slacker yet. Anyone else with military health care stories? On 1/11/08, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've met many people that wish they could get health care from the VA. The VA facility here is actually top-notch. Much improved from 20 years ago. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 10:36 AM, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that the government already runs one health care entity, anyone remember the VA? With that as an example, I'm VERY frightened of Government health care. Saw a quote on Joesherlock.com awhile back: Government health care; combining the efficiency of the US Government with the compassion of the IRS Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
And the reason they maintain the roads is for National Defense, right? They do it because it would not get done otherwise and it is in everyone's best interest that it be done. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 12:09 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to question the underlying and unstated assumption that it's the Federal Government's job to provide health care for all. What paragraph of the Constitution authorizes that? Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Tom Hargrave wrote: Sure, but if you are poor you have no credit. So then you only have health insurance if you are too poor to care about credit (and then if you try to move up from that you won't have credit for some time). I imagine there are quite a few people who are in between dirt poor and wealthy enough to have health insurance for the whole family. Those people are screwed. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Most of the people treated by the Free Clinic here in Cleveland are employed, not indigent. Thanks to previous experience with local hospitals and their misfortune to contract pneumonia, diabetes, or a broken bone and being transported to the nearest facility for treatment, the outstanding bills means many no longer have credit cards and cannot buy a car, much less a house. National employers now run credit checks on applicants and for some reason have decided that people with low credit scores are more likely to be problem employees and are not considered for employment - so if the lose their current job because their car breaks down and they don't show up, they can't get another job. And you say nothing is wrong with this picture? -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 11:36 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, but if you are poor you have no credit. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance Sunil Hari wrote: Not pay it. it's really that simple. Public hospitals are specifically NOT allowed to send their bills to collection agencies so they have to eat the cost. They may not send it to collections but does it still affect credit? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
On Jan 10, 2008 6:40 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.just-auto.com/article.aspx?ID=93532lk=dm%20%5BO%5D 623cc, 33hp, a bubble with four wheels at the corners? It's a modern day BMW Isetta 600! Let's hope there is more than just a door between the driver and a frontal impact. Where's the engine in that Tata thing, anyway? Can't be in the front with that squashed nose, can it? In the back under the cargo area, like a VW Type III? Or under the floor? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC '92 Saab 900 Turbo all with engines in the front where they should be ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Spend a day volunteering in a soup kitchen in the inner city, then get back to me, okay? I'm in Cleveland Ohio, and maybe we have it worse that other areas. but just because your limited experience has not brought you in contact with the realities of life in America does not mean all is well. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 10:39 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your experience is atypical - and that's a good thing. Is it? Nobody in my family the I know of has ever had private insurance deny anything. That includes all of my Dad's lung cancer surgery, radiation, and chemo over more than a decade, my mom's knee replacement and breast cancer surgery and treatment. The only problems we've had with denials have been from Medicare (mom's doc put her in the hospital recently for some tests and Medicare didn't want to pay). Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
If you don't care about people that cannot get adequate medical treatment, I can't help you. I'm glad that everyone in your world is doing well, really. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 11:32 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Spend a day volunteering in a soup kitchen in the inner city, then get back to me, okay? I'm in Cleveland Ohio, and maybe we have it worse that other areas. but just because your limited experience has not brought you in contact with the realities of life in America does not mean all is well. So your anecdotes are more valid than mine? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
An article in our local newspaper this morning suggests one might wish to check out www.boobywall.ca . Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano Bodacious! --R Donald Snook wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Is the world ready for small tatas? I prefer medium to large tatas. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Keep in mind that the government already runs one health care entity, anyone remember the VA? With that as an example, I'm VERY frightened of Government health care. Saw a quote on Joesherlock.com awhile back: Government health care; combining the efficiency of the US Government with the compassion of the IRS Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Spend a day volunteering in a soup kitchen in the inner city, then get back to me, okay? I'm in Cleveland Ohio, and maybe we have it worse that other areas. but just because your limited experience has not brought you in contact with the realities of life in America does not mean all is well. So your anecdotes are more valid than mine? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Not pay it. it's really that simple. Public hospitals are specifically NOT allowed to send their bills to collection agencies so they have to eat the cost. Of course, if you try this at a private hospital, they'll stabilize you in the ER and then boot you. On 1/11/08, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: Walk into any public hospital with no money no insurance you will discover that we all do have healthcare. Some of my relatives are poor they do this any time they are sick. What do they do when the hospital gives them a bill? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Then again, I'm a health-care provider in another government-run program - the US Navy. I can say that our quality of care and billing procedures and coverage are second to none. Billing is easy when it's all free. And with every procedure and every patient I've seen, cost has been no object - if doctors wanted it, it was done. I've been given thousands of dollars in vaccinations and medications at zero cost to me. Interestingly, despite every doctor being salaried and not being paid per patient, I haven't seen a slacker yet. Anyone else with military health care stories? On 1/11/08, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've met many people that wish they could get health care from the VA. The VA facility here is actually top-notch. Much improved from 20 years ago. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 10:36 AM, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that the government already runs one health care entity, anyone remember the VA? With that as an example, I'm VERY frightened of Government health care. Saw a quote on Joesherlock.com awhile back: Government health care; combining the efficiency of the US Government with the compassion of the IRS Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Tom Hargrave wrote: Walk into any public hospital with no money no insurance you will discover that we all do have healthcare. Some of my relatives are poor they do this any time they are sick. What do they do when the hospital gives them a bill? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
It's not but we are fast heading towards Socialism with our current entitlement culture. I guess it's OK until the government gains so much control that you'll need a pass to drive over to the next state, right? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:10 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have to question the underlying and unstated assumption that it's the Federal Government's job to provide health care for all. What paragraph of the Constitution authorizes that? Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Scott Ritchey wrote: What paragraph of the Constitution authorizes that? The same paragraph that authorizes 95% of federal spending. What? You can't see it? It's right there, hidden between the lines in the commerce clause. [/rant] Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
The Interstate Highway system was originally designed for national defense. The original specs even required that every third mile be straight so that the road could be used as a runway. These days, the interstate system is used to keep states in line. Don't play by the Fed's rules you don't get your share of the Federal Highway Funds. Think I'm kidding? A few years ago, Alabama instituted a rolling scale system. The theory was that the state could move the scale from location to location could do just as good a job of monitoring trucker traffic as the fixed scales used by other states. And we'd still use the same pull-off system that the other states used. The Feds balked, stating that the rolling scales did not meet existing federal standards. They threatened to withhold the states federal highway funds until the issue was corrected, which forced Alabama to invest 6 million dollars into the fixed scales that are in place now. The Fed's used the same tactics to force the states into the 55 MPH speed limit. This carried all the way through enforcement, where the states were required to prove that they were enforcing the law. Alabama slid under the bar with this one by making interstate speeding under 70 MPH, a no points, $10.00 ticket. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot And the reason they maintain the roads is for National Defense, right? They do it because it would not get done otherwise and it is in everyone's best interest that it be done. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 12:09 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to question the underlying and unstated assumption that it's the Federal Government's job to provide health care for all. What paragraph of the Constitution authorizes that? Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
My wife had to do a resident rotation at Boston City Hospital (remember the show St. Elsewhere?). A lot of their patients were walk(or transport)-ins, and they got excellent care, in some cases better than private payers, because Unkie was footing the bill and there was not a lot of oversight on what was ordered, billed, etc. The hospital made money off that and everyone knew it and acted accordingly. Need a cat scan for that bellyache? Of course, their patients were often less well than private payers, because of lifestyles, behaviors, inability (for whatever reasons) to take any responsibility for their own care/situation, etc., but they got excellent care. Oh, and they could not test anyone for AIDS without explicit written permission (the very active and powerful gay lobby in MA at that time was agitating hard on that subject), so whenever anyone got a needle stick the docs were playing craps with their (and their family's) lives. And BCH being what it was/is, a good portion of their patients came in with positive AIDS. Then she had to do a rotation at the Manchester NH VA hospital (The Manch) and that was *quite* an experience -- her concept of Hillarycare (which at that time was a prominent topic) that she uses to calibrate the politicians. A buddy, an excellent doctor, now works at the Houston VA and while they provide good care to their patients, the stories about the bureaucracy can fill hours. I mention Hillarycare and he just smiles. That seems to be the case (or they start ranting) with every doc I know and talk to, and that is quite a few. Many of them are no fans of the ins cos either, but given the choice... --R Sunil Hari wrote: Not pay it. it's really that simple. Public hospitals are specifically NOT allowed to send their bills to collection agencies so they have to eat the cost. Of course, if you try this at a private hospital, they'll stabilize you in the ER and then boot you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
I've met many people that wish they could get health care from the VA. The VA facility here is actually top-notch. Much improved from 20 years ago. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 10:36 AM, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that the government already runs one health care entity, anyone remember the VA? With that as an example, I'm VERY frightened of Government health care. Saw a quote on Joesherlock.com awhile back: Government health care; combining the efficiency of the US Government with the compassion of the IRS Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Sure, but if you are poor you have no credit. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance Sunil Hari wrote: Not pay it. it's really that simple. Public hospitals are specifically NOT allowed to send their bills to collection agencies so they have to eat the cost. They may not send it to collections but does it still affect credit? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Dave, Personal experiences: VA in Asheville, NC? Outstanding! VA in New Haven, CT? OK. VA in Albany, NY? Poor. VA in Columbia, SC? Not if my life depended on it. Dave H... -- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I've met many people that wish they could get health care from the VA. The VA facility here is actually top-notch. Much improved from 20 years ago. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 10:36 AM, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that the government already runs one health care entity, anyone remember the VA? With that as an example, I'm VERY frightened of Government health care. Saw a quote on Joesherlock.com awhile back: Government health care; combining the efficiency of the US Government with the compassion of the IRS Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your experience is atypical - and that's a good thing. Is it? Nobody in my family the I know of has ever had private insurance deny anything. That includes all of my Dad's lung cancer surgery, radiation, and chemo over more than a decade, my mom's knee replacement and breast cancer surgery and treatment. The only problems we've had with denials have been from Medicare (mom's doc put her in the hospital recently for some tests and Medicare didn't want to pay). Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
I have my own nuclear watch - it's an antique with a radon dial that glows in the dark. It's a pretty watch but I would not recommend carrying it in your front pocket for extended periods of time. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot figure i should join the navy? can i have my own nuclear sub? On Jan 11, 2008 11:13 AM, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then again, I'm a health-care provider in another government-run program - the US Navy. I can say that our quality of care and billing procedures and coverage are second to none. Billing is easy when it's all free. And with every procedure and every patient I've seen, cost has been no object - if doctors wanted it, it was done. I've been given thousands of dollars in vaccinations and medications at zero cost to me. Interestingly, despite every doctor being salaried and not being paid per patient, I haven't seen a slacker yet. Anyone else with military health care stories? On 1/11/08, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've met many people that wish they could get health care from the VA. The VA facility here is actually top-notch. Much improved from 20 years ago. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 10:36 AM, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that the government already runs one health care entity, anyone remember the VA? With that as an example, I'm VERY frightened of Government health care. Saw a quote on Joesherlock.com awhile back: Government health care; combining the efficiency of the US Government with the compassion of the IRS Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
The VA in Birmingham, AL and in Nashville, TN are also top notch in the quality of services they supply. But this isn't the core issue with the VA. For example: My youngest brother needed back surgery, which started with an MRI so that the VA could evaluate the issue. They scheduled the MRI 3 months out Any why??? Because they are under budget constraints that was the next available slot! With private insurance, even an HMO plan, he would have been scheduled for an MRI within 3 days. Then they scheduled his surgery 6 months out??? Any why??? Because they are under budget constraints that was the next available slot! With private insurance, even an HMO plan, he would have been scheduled for surgery within 2 weeks. Here's another for you. My Wife's Aunt has a serious lung heart issue. Medicaid stops paying for her medicine leased breathing equipment in the 8th month of each year because she has reached her cap. So, they have to pay for her medication out of pocket for the last 1/3 of the year. The monthly cost is more than their house payment. So what do they do? She skips doses whenever she thinks she can get away with doing so to save up for later then they struggle through the last part of the year. She and her husband worked all of their lives to retire and I'd suggest that they are not exactly enjoying the golden years of retirement. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I've met many people that wish they could get health care from the VA. The VA facility here is actually top-notch. Much improved from 20 years ago. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 10:36 AM, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that the government already runs one health care entity, anyone remember the VA? With that as an example, I'm VERY frightened of Government health care. Saw a quote on Joesherlock.com awhile back: Government health care; combining the efficiency of the US Government with the compassion of the IRS Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas 123 for Dan
On Jan 11, 2008 1:11 AM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess that's like the time I took scrap metal to the recyclers. They gave me a price on the aluminum transmissions, the copper wire, and the tin. I said, This isn't tin, it iron and steel. The scale guy looked at me funny, so I pulled my pocket screwdriver with the magnet on the back and said, See? The magnet wouldn't stick to tin - only iron and steel. He finally said, Yeah. We call that tin. Oh. Silly me for thinking tin was a different metal than iron! It's what tin cans are made of, of course! ;) On the other hand, I learned a long time ago from car ads that all old Mercedes and BMW six-cylinder engines are V-6s. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo V-6 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
My SiL works in the insurance industry. She is not well insured for some reason. Tells horror stories about the infirm being denied and the process the claims people must go through to keep the infirm from getting services. Those who pay lots and have important people (lawyers, doctors, politicians) on the policy tend to get more procedures approved, but there is still a wrench that must be tossed in the machinery so it is slowed down. Larry, is what you have the same as the Lorenzo's Oil kid had? clay On 11 Jan 2008, at 06:26, LarryT wrote: Hi Dave, I am disabled - have been for over 10 years with a disease not many people have ever heard of (Chronic Inflammatory Demylinating Polyneuropathy - the mylin covering the nerves is being attacked by antibodies in my blood) - in case you wanted to know. I've had all kinds of procedures, operations, ad every other kind of medical thingie performed on me during that time and not once did the several insurance companies I had deny or even slow down payment for something a doctor ordered. Even when changing carriers they always picked me up even with a pre-existing condition. Maybe I've been lucky? IMHO, the number of appropriate procedures ordered where insurance companies deny payment is pretty small. I think the media has taken a few and blown them out or proportion - which is what they always do. I know people have had horror stories where *payment for* treatment was denied - and the media was informed and news careers were made. But when that happens, the hospital has always been ready to make arrangements for payment - it might be $50/mo for life but the procedure can be done. Usually the only procedures denied payment are experimental ones - but the line must be drawn somewhere. If something works in rats doesn't mean it will work in people. There's a difference between treating people and research. What if a experimental procedure kills someone? Is the insurance co partly responsible because it approved payment? Perhaps - the legal system is a tangled web. Have a nice weekend - we may have to agree to disagee. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Unfortunately, a good percentage of the public cannot afford to pay for healthcare. Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. If you have ever had payment for a necessary medical procedure denied by a 'private industry' healthcare insurer, you know what I mean. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 7:26 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be joking! capitalism works when free to operate properly. supply demand always works - prices float to the level the public is willing to pay. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Sort of like the private sector? On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up being filled with corruption and fraud. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered. URGH!!! On Jan 4, 2008 7:34 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and offer solutions for major problems that face America. Its also a
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
If you have no credit to speak of, what impact can there be? It is passed on to the bills of the rest of the users. Why am I paying $20.00 for tylenol? I could have just brought my own with me and saved that charge. The funky gown got billed too. My jammies were not the right fashion. Saline is very expensive. I would much rather have spent that on bottles of wine, but they may not have been the proper vintage. The saline must have been wrung from the brow of nubile virgins at the cost on the bill. clay On 11 Jan 2008, at 08:22, John Robbins wrote: Sunil Hari wrote: Not pay it. it's really that simple. Public hospitals are specifically NOT allowed to send their bills to collection agencies so they have to eat the cost. They may not send it to collections but does it still affect credit? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
It seems than at Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:13:16 -0500, Gary wrote: it's the incredibly expensive government schools that are failing epidemically. they are the ones who are desperately in need of watching. Indeed. But (to paraphrase), who will watch the watchers? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Where's the engine in that Tata thing, anyway? Can't be in the front with that squashed nose, can it? In the back under the cargo area, like a VW Type III? Or under the floor? In the back, but I don't know the specifics. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
I have to question the underlying and unstated assumption that it's the Federal Government's job to provide health care for all. What paragraph of the Constitution authorizes that? Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 really smoky after sitting a while
Very likely crud coming loose from the intake manifold, and burning. As Gary said, I think you fixed it already. I loved it when that happened when I stomped it going up an entrance ramp with a tailgator. They always backed off! At 12:32 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: Well, yeah, but why did it do it in the first place? Never has before. On Jan 11, 2008 10:31 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think you fixed it! On Jan 11, 2008 12:42 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 300D was sitting for about a week and a half while I tried to find the time to change out my broken swaybar mounting bracket. I finally did the job yesterday and drove it to work today. When I started it, and the first couple of times I took off from a stop, the car smoked like an old garbage truck---HUGE clouds of thick black smoke in the rear view mirror. It stopped pretty quickly and seems to be back to normal now---my drive to work is about 30 miles at highway speeds---but worried me a little. Any ideas? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo Fog Machine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Don't pay. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:09 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance Tom Hargrave wrote: Walk into any public hospital with no money no insurance you will discover that we all do have healthcare. Some of my relatives are poor they do this any time they are sick. What do they do when the hospital gives them a bill? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
John, There are some truly destitute people in our country through no fault of their own and no fault of their background, but this is a minority. It's my opinion that most of us are where we want to be. Much of the poor are where they are through past decisions, be it spending choices, education choices, family background or life style choices. Many only know how to make the choices they have made. And many seem to be stuck where they are due to the choices they made. A great example of this is in New Orleans, were thousands were living in houses passed down by their relatives and were displaced by the hurricane. They lived all of their lives in free housing because the property was already paid for now they can't afford to return. They are all whining because they can't afford to rebuild - they want the government to step in replace what was lost. But is it the government's job to replace these houses? Should they be allowed to continue living in free housing just because they were handed a free house by a long dead relative? To put things in perspective - if I were to total my paid for 300SDL, should the government pay for the replacement just because I chose to buy only liability insurance? The answer is no! Anyone capable of working in this country has the ability to make his or her life better but in our current entitlement culture / mentality, it's easier to stop let the government provide. I have no fundamental issue with a government provided healthcare solution other than it would contribute to the entitlement culture - a culture that is leading us down the wrong path! Some day when you are in town, we need to have a discussion about the rolls we all place ourselves in. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance Tom Hargrave wrote: Sure, but if you are poor you have no credit. So then you only have health insurance if you are too poor to care about credit (and then if you try to move up from that you won't have credit for some time). I imagine there are quite a few people who are in between dirt poor and wealthy enough to have health insurance for the whole family. Those people are screwed. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
On Jan 11, 2008 9:23 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Where's the engine in that Tata thing, anyway? Can't be in the front with that squashed nose, can it? In the back under the cargo area, like a VW Type III? Or under the floor? In the back, but I don't know the specifics. I should have read the whole article. Rear two-cylinder, RWD. A further Google search produces references to a trunk big enough to hold a duffle bag and a CVT. I'm guessing I was right about the Type-III-style layout, then. Either an inline- or flat-twin with a transaxle underneath, as low as possible in the rear, with a hatch above and a small cargo area behind the back seat. A pretty standard arrangement for small cars, at least everywhere but the U.S. (Why is that, anyway? Crash standards? Cooling problems with a rear-mounted water-cooled engine? Residual fear of the Corvair?) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Walk into any public hospital with no money no insurance you will discover that we all do have healthcare. Some of my relatives are poor they do this any time they are sick. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance Until everyone that needs medical attention can get it, I don't really care if some of us have to put up with inconveniences. No doubt, we will always be able to pay more and get better service - even for our health care. This IS America, after all... I love it when pudgy white upper middle class men argue about the details of coverage while the bottom 20% of the population tries to get by with little or no health care. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 9:25 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. Any proposed replacement that doesn't allow for meaningful competition, wherein dissatisfied 'customers' can't vote with their feet (and associated dollars) is doomed to fail. My wife was really put off by the 'cattle barn' mentality of the public school kindergarten that my son is entitled (?) to go to. They wouldn't even talk to her. Told her to wait for the open house, which is after school starts and LONG after any decision about where to go must be made. (Anybody remember Lily Tomlin's phone operator character? We're the phone company. We don't care, we don't have to.) My son now goes to a small private school. Does the PS care? Not at all, they're still getting my tax money. I get to pay twice. Fortunately we can afford to do so, but I guarantee you that if the PS was paying out to our private school they would have some serious incentive to clean up their act, because we wouldn't be alone in opting out. Systems that extract payment for services at the point of a gun, and allow no choice as to how the money is to be spent, are evil. Well-packaged and advertised perhaps, but evil. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Education
I forwarded the recent education posts to my brother who is a retired professor. Here's his response: Someone recently observed that American education is the only product where the consumer (the student) is satisfied to get less than expected. I haven't seen any more recent studies, but consider this: in 1950, the average 14-year-old in the U.S. had a working vocabulary of about 25,000 words. In 1999, this had dropped to 10,000 words. If we excluded, like, whatever, no problem, the number today would be even less. In 2005, the Intercollegiate Studies Institute contracted with the University of Connecticut's department of public policy to administer tests of basic historical and civic knowledge to 14,000 students at schools such as Yale, Harvard, Cornell, University of Virginia, Brown and Duke. According to the survey, Students were no better off than when they arrived in terms of acquiring the knowledge necessary for informed engagement in a democratic republic and global economy. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, but I have to leave to make a living so I can afford my health insurance premiums. Well I'm glad you realize it's not my responsibility. To quote Calvin Coolidge: The normal must care for themselves. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
Residual fear of the Corvair?) I wish that Chevy would come out with a modern version of the corvair, especially the Lakewood Station Wagon and the greenbrier Van. The '62 Corvair Monza convertible that I had was pretty cool too. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Education
--- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here, the superintendent is hired by an elected school board. I assumed it was that way everywhere. So, the position is effectively a political appointment. We've had some really good ones in the past (thinking of one in particular, and he had an Ed.D.) but lately they seem to unremarkable. The school board candidates often run unopposed, so it's quite an incestuous situation. Allan Same thing here, but the board itself is incestuous, so it's pretty much a given that whoever they choose will be one of their buddies. For this last go 'round they blew $30k of our tax dollars with a search firm, only to turn around, ignore the recommendations, and promote this worthless woman from inside. Had they hired one of the search firm's choices, the person would have either quit out of frustration or rankled so many people in the administration things would come to a standstill. Dan Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 really smoky after sitting a while
My guess is that fuel bleeds off over time through the injectors into the cylinders. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
I have a question for all of you in the IT sector. Now that Apple uses Intel processors and obviously their new operating software uses it. Will there Leopard work on a Windows XP computer. More specifically on a AMD processor? Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Actually, they're not getting *all* of your tax dollars. Every school district receives a fixed amount from the state and federal government for every student in attendance. They're rabid about this in most district, making sure that every last child is accounted for, as each one means $$ in the educational till. If your child is not attending a public school, they're not getting the government reimbursement for that child. Not a perfect arrangement, but at least there is some relief of sorts. Dan --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My son now goes to a small private school. Does the PS care? Not at all, they're still getting my tax money. I get to pay twice. Fortunately we can afford to do so, but I guarantee you that if the PS was paying out to our private school they would have some serious incentive to clean up their act, because we wouldn't be alone in opting out. Systems that extract payment for services at the point of a gun, and allow no choice as to how the money is to be spent, are evil. Well-packaged and advertised perhaps, but evil. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
I don't know about Leopard, but there is proof that people have been able to take the Tiger OS (OS X 10.4.x) and get it to run on an Intel (non-Apple) system. MacDan --- jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for all of you in the IT sector. Now that Apple uses Intel processors and obviously their new operating software uses it. Will there Leopard work on a Windows XP computer. More specifically on a AMD processor? Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where's the engine in that Tata thing, anyway? Can't be in the front with that squashed nose, can it? In the back under the cargo area, like a VW Type III? Or under the floor? I thought the Tata car ran on compressed air? I have not been following this thread too closely -- are we talking about this? http://www.news.com/2300-11389_3-6225395-1.html?tag=ne.gall.pg Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 really smoky after sitting a while
Alex, That has happened on my 300D as well as two GM vans. One a 6.2 the other a 6.5. It has only happened after they had been standing for a couple of weeks and I think only if it had been raining or had a very high humidity during that time. I believe it happens because the moisture has seeped into the carbon collected in the tail pipe and loosened it. Then when you accelerate the higher velocity of the exhaust gases at the higher RPM before the transmission shifts knocks the carbon loose and blows it out in a black cloud. If you tend to accelerate hard all the time it seems to lessen the amount of carbon blowout after standing. Conversely if you drive the car very easily and don't let the rpm build up a lot then the deposits seem to get worse and cause a lot more carbon blowout the next time the car sits for a time or even if you suddenly decide to accelerate hard some time you may have more carbon blowout then you would otherwise. It doesn't mean that the car is suddenly using more fuel. At least that is what I have surmised from the observations in about 15 years of driving diesels. Manfred ate: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:32:31 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 603 really smoky after sitting a while To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, yeah, but why did it do it in the first place? Never has before. On Jan 11, 2008 10:31 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think you fixed it! On Jan 11, 2008 12:42 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 300D was sitting for about a week and a half while I tried to find the time Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Gm Diesel has no Manifolds
They run one center mounted turbo now, at least mine does --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Gm Diesel has no Manifolds It has manifolds. The exhaust manifold is in the center, where the intake would be and the intake manifolds are incorporated in the cam covers. They did this to cut cost. The design lets them run one center mounted turbo instead of two, one on each side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
There is a vote with wallet process going on in Seattle. The public enrollment has dropped to 49k from a high of 96k. Where are the kids? Private schools. For each missing kid, the district is not getting its $5500 per student. It does cost the parents at least that much for tuition. Where is the money better spent? I am thinking private education. Are private school parents complete jerks. Sometimes, but they are involved since it is their cash on the line. clay On 11 Jan 2008, at 06:25, Jim Cathey wrote: Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. Any proposed replacement that doesn't allow for meaningful competition, wherein dissatisfied 'customers' can't vote with their feet (and associated dollars) is doomed to fail. My wife was really put off by the 'cattle barn' mentality of the public school kindergarten that my son is entitled (?) to go to. They wouldn't even talk to her. Told her to wait for the open house, which is after school starts and LONG after any decision about where to go must be made. (Anybody remember Lily Tomlin's phone operator character? We're the phone company. We don't care, we don't have to.) My son now goes to a small private school. Does the PS care? Not at all, they're still getting my tax money. I get to pay twice. Fortunately we can afford to do so, but I guarantee you that if the PS was paying out to our private school they would have some serious incentive to clean up their act, because we wouldn't be alone in opting out. Systems that extract payment for services at the point of a gun, and allow no choice as to how the money is to be spent, are evil. Well-packaged and advertised perhaps, but evil. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 603 really smoky after sitting a while
My 300D was sitting for about a week and a half while I tried to find the time to change out my broken swaybar mounting bracket. I finally did the job yesterday and drove it to work today. When I started it, and the first couple of times I took off from a stop, the car smoked like an old garbage truck---HUGE clouds of thick black smoke in the rear view mirror. It stopped pretty quickly and seems to be back to normal now---my drive to work is about 30 miles at highway speeds---but worried me a little. Any ideas? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo Fog Machine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
No But if you go to http://www.maconintel.com/ you can find info about building a OS X compatible intel box. If you get the right video card and use the right processor, it is doable. I have not studied the motherboard situation, but the info is at http://www.maconintel.com/ At 03:22 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: I have a question for all of you in the IT sector. Now that Apple uses Intel processors and obviously their new operating software uses it. Will there Leopard work on a Windows XP computer. More specifically on a AMD processor? Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Education
It's like the Modern American History class I took a few years ago. The prof graded on a curve, and the kids in the class were pissed about me being there, so much so that they complained to the prof that, It's not fair - he was ALIVE when all this stuff happened! Heh. The prof thought it was funny enough that they told me about it. Dan --- Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forwarded the recent education posts to my brother who is a retired professor. Here's his response: Someone recently observed that American education is the only product where the consumer (the student) is satisfied to get less than expected. I haven't seen any more recent studies, but consider this: in 1950, the average 14-year-old in the U.S. had a working vocabulary of about 25,000 words. In 1999, this had dropped to 10,000 words. If we excluded, like, whatever, no problem, the number today would be even less. In 2005, the Intercollegiate Studies Institute contracted with the University of Connecticut's department of public policy to administer tests of basic historical and civic knowledge to 14,000 students at schools such as Yale, Harvard, Cornell, University of Virginia, Brown and Duke. According to the survey, Students were no better off than when they arrived in terms of acquiring the knowledge necessary for informed engagement in a democratic republic and global economy. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Growing up we had a family doctor. He was a really nice guy. Lived in the same town, had his office in town, made house calls! We paid him for services rendered. He did not harrass those who could not pay, because his kids went to school with us, he grew up with the parents he treated. His folks knew our folks. When he got signed up with the insurance companies, he lost many patients because they did not have insurance and could no longer use his services. In a few years he decided to close shop because he could no longer serve the community with a clear conscience. Too many procedures were being denied, and he no longer felt himself to be a doctor. clay On 11 Jan 2008, at 06:49, Loren Faeth wrote: No, the problem is the LACK of capitalism in healthcare. Before health insurance, healthcare costs were reasonable. That is why HSA will work. If people can shop with their healthcare dollars, the bloated administrations will die. The current system of third party payers provides the anonymity that corruption loves, NO incentive for the consumer to shop (in many cases it is prohibited) and with the government collusion, we have $300 bandaids in place of $1000 toilet seats the government is famous for. Ever look at what a hospital charges for a bandaid or an aspirin ... Ohyeah, we can't have aspirin, because a designer drug can be sold for much more! At 07:44 AM 1/11/2008, you wrote: Unfortunately, a good percentage of the public cannot afford to pay for healthcare. Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. If you have ever had payment for a necessary medical procedure denied by a 'private industry' healthcare insurer, you know what I mean. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 7:26 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be joking! capitalism works when free to operate properly. supply demand always works - prices float to the level the public is willing to pay. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Sort of like the private sector? On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up being filled with corruption and fraud. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered. URGH!!! On Jan 4, 2008 7:34 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and offer solutions for major problems that face America. Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned. Join up and I'm sure everyone will start talking about it again. :) John .. Just joined. Thanks, John. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http:// www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http:// www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http:// www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Great Lakes used cars
On Jan 10, 2008 8:15 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1990 300E, can't say I like the wheels, and whoever heard of a 70,000 mile car that has had it's engine replaced? (maybe they mean the engine has 70k?) $5500. http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CI5380043 The bozo spent all his money on rims and none on oil changes? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Hi Dave, I am disabled - have been for over 10 years with a disease not many people have ever heard of (Chronic Inflammatory Demylinating Polyneuropathy - the mylin covering the nerves is being attacked by antibodies in my blood) - in case you wanted to know. I've had all kinds of procedures, operations, ad every other kind of medical thingie performed on me during that time and not once did the several insurance companies I had deny or even slow down payment for something a doctor ordered.Even when changing carriers they always picked me up even with a pre-existing condition. Maybe I've been lucky? IMHO, the number of appropriate procedures ordered where insurance companies deny payment is pretty small. I think the media has taken a few and blown them out or proportion - which is what they always do. I know people have had horror stories where *payment for* treatment was denied - and the media was informed and news careers were made. But when that happens, the hospital has always been ready to make arrangements for payment - it might be $50/mo for life but the procedure can be done. Usually the only procedures denied payment are experimental ones - but the line must be drawn somewhere. If something works in rats doesn't mean it will work in people. There's a difference between treating people and research. What if a experimental procedure kills someone? Is the insurance co partly responsible because it approved payment? Perhaps - the legal system is a tangled web. Have a nice weekend - we may have to agree to disagee. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Unfortunately, a good percentage of the public cannot afford to pay for healthcare. Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. If you have ever had payment for a necessary medical procedure denied by a 'private industry' healthcare insurer, you know what I mean. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 7:26 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be joking! capitalism works when free to operate properly. supply demand always works - prices float to the level the public is willing to pay. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Sort of like the private sector? On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up being filled with corruption and fraud. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered. URGH!!! On Jan 4, 2008 7:34 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and offer solutions for major problems that face America. Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned. Join up and I'm sure everyone will start talking about it again. :) John .. Just joined. Thanks, John. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
i guess the home schoolers need to watch the government schoolers. oh, wait, we have been and that is why we are home schoolers. On Jan 11, 2008 12:51 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:13:16 -0500, Gary wrote: it's the incredibly expensive government schools that are failing epidemically. they are the ones who are desperately in need of watching. Indeed. But (to paraphrase), who will watch the watchers? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Sunil Hari wrote: Not pay it. it's really that simple. Public hospitals are specifically NOT allowed to send their bills to collection agencies so they have to eat the cost. They may not send it to collections but does it still affect credit? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 really smoky after sitting a while
Well, yeah, but why did it do it in the first place? Never has before. On Jan 11, 2008 10:31 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think you fixed it! On Jan 11, 2008 12:42 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 300D was sitting for about a week and a half while I tried to find the time to change out my broken swaybar mounting bracket. I finally did the job yesterday and drove it to work today. When I started it, and the first couple of times I took off from a stop, the car smoked like an old garbage truck---HUGE clouds of thick black smoke in the rear view mirror. It stopped pretty quickly and seems to be back to normal now---my drive to work is about 30 miles at highway speeds---but worried me a little. Any ideas? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo Fog Machine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 really smoky after sitting a while
i think you fixed it! On Jan 11, 2008 12:42 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 300D was sitting for about a week and a half while I tried to find the time to change out my broken swaybar mounting bracket. I finally did the job yesterday and drove it to work today. When I started it, and the first couple of times I took off from a stop, the car smoked like an old garbage truck---HUGE clouds of thick black smoke in the rear view mirror. It stopped pretty quickly and seems to be back to normal now---my drive to work is about 30 miles at highway speeds---but worried me a little. Any ideas? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo Fog Machine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
Hi Kevin, I had a '65 Corvair Corsa 140 convertible (4 carbs/4 speed) Red w/ Black Int. Try as I might, I could not make it Dangerous at any Speed!! Loved it! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jan 11, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: Residual fear of the Corvair?) I wish that Chevy would come out with a modern version of the corvair, especially the Lakewood Station Wagon and the greenbrier Van. The '62 Corvair Monza convertible that I had was pretty cool too. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
True, but have you spent the time comparing some of our current laws to the Constitution? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Actually - that would violate the Constitution. Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 12:19 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not but we are fast heading towards Socialism with our current entitlement culture. I guess it's OK until the government gains so much control that you'll need a pass to drive over to the next state, right? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:10 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have to question the underlying and unstated assumption that it's the Federal Government's job to provide health care for all. What paragraph of the Constitution authorizes that? Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance
Who in the world gave you that information? Not allowed to go to a collection agency? That statement is totally not true. Dave H... -- From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance Sunil Hari wrote: Not pay it. it's really that simple. Public hospitals are specifically NOT allowed to send their bills to collection agencies so they have to eat the cost. They may not send it to collections but does it still affect credit? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gasser for Dan.
Thanks, Don! Much appreciate the info. Dan On Jan 11, 2008, at 8:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a 1982 Euro 280E. I did not have any trouble getting it serviced at an Indy Mercedes shop. My only complaint with the car was that the cloth seats were very itchy and the gas mileage wasn't very good. Lots of power and in the 2 years I had the car, I had NO problems. Mine had 120K miles when I got it and almost 150,000 miles I traded it on a 124 diesel. I paid $1500 for it when I got it and got $1000 trade to the same guy I bought it from. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Gm Diesel has no Manifolds
But yours has a lot of plumbing to the turbo, this new design does not. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Gm Diesel has no Manifolds They run one center mounted turbo now, at least mine does --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Gm Diesel has no Manifolds It has manifolds. The exhaust manifold is in the center, where the intake would be and the intake manifolds are incorporated in the cam covers. They did this to cut cost. The design lets them run one center mounted turbo instead of two, one on each side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Allan Streib wrote: I was responding to the earlier point about private insurers deny claims for necessary treatment, with my personal experience that the only denials my family and I ever encountered being from the government plan (Medicare). Allan I have worked for health insurers and health providers. Did it for roughly twenty years. I have seen bad-faith denials of medically necessary care, galore. I have been told as an insurance company employee to find a reason to deny it. Be thankful that you have not gotten denials from private insurers for needed care. You dodged a bullet. People die every day because they cannot afford life-saving medical care and their insurers refuse to fund it. -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 really smoky after sitting a while
On Jan 11, 2008 1:18 PM, M G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe it happens because the moisture has seeped into the carbon collected in the tail pipe and loosened it. Then when you accelerate the higher velocity of the exhaust gases at the higher RPM before the transmission shifts knocks the carbon loose and blows it out in a black cloud. Now that makes sense, considering that the car was sitting outside during a period of pretty intense winter weather by Pacific Northwest standards---not just very wet but also a lot of temperature fluctuations around freezing. Perfect conditions for lots of condensation in the exhaust, in other words. Good thinking, Manfred. That seems more plausible to me than the explanation that this was just a typical Italian-tune-up event---carbon getting incinerated---which in my experience with this car produces a medium gray rather than truly black smoke. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
At 05:11 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: Hi Kevin, I had a '65 Corvair Corsa 140 convertible (4 carbs/4 speed) Red w/ Black Int. Try as I might, I could not make it Dangerous at any Speed!! Loved it! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jan 11, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: Residual fear of the Corvair?) Chuck et al. Unsafe at any Speed was written about the earlier swing-axle Corvair and you could get jacked-up if you cornered with too much gusto! As usual Nader was a Day late and a Dollar short. My 65 4 door was a rocket (breathed on it a bit) loved everything about it except the solid steering shaft and the smelly heater. Ole Ralphie killed the later Corvair just as they were getting the bugs out, pity. Fred Moir Lynn MA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
I have a friend who did make a Corvair somewhat dangerous at speed. He was going down a long hill at a pretty good clip and hit a dip in the road. When the car bounced out of the dip, it spun 180 degrees and he went off the road backwards --- into a graveyard. No real damage done but he was a bit more careful with it after that. The shocks may have been pretty worn at the time. This would have been about 1969 or 70 so the car was getting older and his father had driven it a lot of miles. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano Hi Kevin, I had a '65 Corvair Corsa 140 convertible (4 carbs/4 speed) Red w/ Black Int. Try as I might, I could not make it Dangerous at any Speed!! Loved it! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jan 11, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: Residual fear of the Corvair?) I wish that Chevy would come out with a modern version of the corvair, especially the Lakewood Station Wagon and the greenbrier Van. The '62 Corvair Monza convertible that I had was pretty cool too. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 really smoky after sitting a while
Nowhere near a fast as when the EGR was sticking and the IP was screwed up on my Volvo TD - think squid. The smoke was so bad I couldn't see the car behind me, it was fun, if rather nasty. Looked like an old Mack truck. I really dislike tailgaters. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Citroen Diesel, yes, a Citroen Diesel!
I just spotted a 1981 Citroen CX Pallas diesel on CL. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/535960324.html It seems like quite a cool car if you could find the parts to keep it running. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Nope. Apple as hinted around for years about a PC version of the OS, but never has actually spit one out. There may be a third party enabler program somewhere -- after all, you can use BootCamp to run XP on a Mac now, they cannot have very different logic boards. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano
Unsafe at any speed was written about many issues with the Corvair, including the fact that the doors would jam shut if rear ended hard enough, preventing the passengers from escaping. And Ralph Nader was 100% on track with his safety concerns. What people did not realize at the time was the issues that affected the Corvair were present in all cars of the period and that some other models were actually much worse. Who else but Ford would have made the top of the gas tank double as the trunk floor? This was a design issue that bit them later with the Pinto, but the Mavericks Mustangs suffer from the same design flaw and could also burn if hit hard enough from the rear. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tata Nano At 05:11 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: Hi Kevin, I had a '65 Corvair Corsa 140 convertible (4 carbs/4 speed) Red w/ Black Int. Try as I might, I could not make it Dangerous at any Speed!! Loved it! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jan 11, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: Residual fear of the Corvair?) Chuck et al. Unsafe at any Speed was written about the earlier swing-axle Corvair and you could get jacked-up if you cornered with too much gusto! As usual Nader was a Day late and a Dollar short. My 65 4 door was a rocket (breathed on it a bit) loved everything about it except the solid steering shaft and the smelly heater. Ole Ralphie killed the later Corvair just as they were getting the bugs out, pity. Fred Moir Lynn MA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 really smoky after sitting a while
Black smoke is unburned fuel. Oil smoke CAN look like black smoke from the right perspective, but is usually blue/gray. Coolant smoke is white, that would indicate a cracked head/bad gasket, but since you just got smoke on takeoff, I would suspect you shook a bunch of soot loose. My brother's SDL lets loose a smoke cloud once in a while when he drives it, as his wife has a very light foot. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
I just would like to have another choice! Though Linux has come along way it still is not easy enough for me. I know many here use it and am glad, though I really am a plug and play kind of guy. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
PCLinuxOS 2007 is pretty much plug play now. So is Linux Mint. Mepis 7.0, too. You might want to avoid Slackware. : -) Unless you've tried a distro released in the last couple of months, you don't know what Linux is in January 2008. In most cases, current linux is way more plug play than either Win98 or WinXP. On Jan 11, 2008 6:05 PM, jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just would like to have another choice! Though Linux has come along way it still is not easy enough for me. I know many here use it and am glad, though I really am a plug and play kind of guy. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Corvairs Was Re: Tata Nano
Try as I might, I could not make it Dangerous at any Speed!! My dad threw that '62 Monza convertible quite hard into the corners as fast as it would go with not even a loss of traction. The car felt like it was on rails. It was a well-used 102HP with the powerglide 2spd auto. One time, we were fueling up when my dad told the station attendant to hurry up. The attendant's comeback was you can't possibly be in a hurry, you're driving a Corvair! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Citroen Diesel, yes, a Citroen Diesel!
Duh-rool! Gawd, I need that car. Too rich for my blood, though On Jan 11, 2008 3:39 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just spotted a 1981 Citroen CX Pallas diesel on CL. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/535960324.html It seems like quite a cool car if you could find the parts to keep it running. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
PCLinusOS 2007 and Mint is that something that can be d/l'd for free?.. I am really looking to move from microsoft.. Douglas - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software PCLinuxOS 2007 is pretty much plug play now. So is Linux Mint. Mepis 7.0, too. You might want to avoid Slackware. : -) Unless you've tried a distro released in the last couple of months, you don't know what Linux is in January 2008. In most cases, current linux is way more plug play than either Win98 or WinXP. On Jan 11, 2008 6:05 PM, jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just would like to have another choice! Though Linux has come along way it still is not easy enough for me. I know many here use it and am glad, though I really am a plug and play kind of guy. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Kaleb Car Price
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemviewitem=ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D260200913645%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1item=260200913645 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] blown turbo 300SDL
So I've been driving the wife's SDL the last few days and I thought I noticed some turbo whine. I figured it had always been there, No. Accelerating up an on ramp giving it a bit of Italian tune up all of a sudden it starts sounding like a kid's bike with a playing card in the spokes. I checked under the hood and decided to limp it home. She was smoking pretty good but the oil level light stayed off and the pressure never budged of the high peg. I've had the head and exhaust manifold off as a unit before. My question is how hard is it to get the turbo RR'd . Can it be done without removing othe large assemblies Bob D. Parrish, FL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
