Re: [MBZ] Free lunch

[Jim Cathey]

Are you referring to The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?


Oddly enough, I and my son have been listening to an audio
books version of this in the Chicken Wagon lately.  (Now that
it has a CD player.)  Great book!  I looked around and can't
seem to find the printed copy I 'know' that I have.  Thought
I had one, anyway...

-- Jim



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[MBZ] And one for Roger?

[clay monroe]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/2692476812.html

no affiliation or interest. 

Want a Hammer?


clay 

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[MBZ] 6.9 not mine

[clay monroe]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/2703009012.html

no affiliation or interest.


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Re: [MBZ] ThinkPads [was Re: Computer meets coke]

[Gerry Archer]

 wrote:

http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018426136519&storeId=1&langId=-1&categoryId=2576396&dualCurrId=73&catalogId=-840


That link offers,

Lenovo™ ThinkPad® T61 (B15) Slightly blemished
IBM Web Price*
$325.00
So is it made in the USA or China?
Craig


Lenovo (Chinese company) has been making Thinkpads for years,
haven't they?
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] ThinkPads [was Re: Computer meets coke]

[Walt Zarnoch]

Does it really matter?

Walt

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Craig  wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:49:18 -0500 "Gerry Archer"
>  wrote:
>
>> http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018426136519&storeId=1&langId=-1&categoryId=2576396&dualCurrId=73&catalogId=-840
>
> That link offers,
>
>     Lenovo™ ThinkPad® T61 (B15) Slightly blemished
>     IBM Web Price*
>     $325.00
>
> So is it made in the USA or China?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] ThinkPads [was Re: Computer meets coke]

[Craig]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:49:18 -0500 "Gerry Archer"
 wrote:

> http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018426136519&storeId=1&langId=-1&categoryId=2576396&dualCurrId=73&catalogId=-840

That link offers,

 Lenovo™ ThinkPad® T61 (B15) Slightly blemished
 IBM Web Price*
 $325.00

So is it made in the USA or China?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] ThinkPads [was Re: Computer meets coke]

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Gerry Archer  wrote:
>
> http://www.ibm.com/products/specialoffers/us/en/icue.html
>
> http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018426136519&storeId=1&langId=-1&categoryId=2576396&dualCurrId=73&catalogId=-840
>

That's a fantastic deal on the "slightly blemished" T61!  Great machine.

For the best deals on refurb Thinkpads (as well as new ones), make
friends with someone who works for IBM or a subsidiary---their
employee purchase program is a great perk of working there.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] ThinkPads [was Re: Computer meets coke]

[Gerry Archer]

http://www.ibm.com/products/specialoffers/us/en/icue.html

http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018426136519&storeId=1&langId=-1&categoryId=2576396&dualCurrId=73&catalogId=-840

Gerry


On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:35:29 -0800 "Greg Fiorentino"

wrote:

I have usually purchased through thinkpads.com, also a terrific support
community.  Look at the feedback forum for the vendor who has what you
want.


Is that http://forum.thinkpads.com/ ? I don't see anything there that
indicates vendors. And the main site, http://www.thinkpads.com/ , only
talks about new computers (which I don't want).



Did I mention how easy it is to work on these machines?  Complete
"workshop manuals" are available free online.  These units are meant to
be maintained and repaired, not thrown away.


No, you did not, but it's nice to know.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[clay monroe]

I fully got the point Andrew.

Just had to make the choice with Gump a few months ago.  Now I have to review 
that choice when looking at a R107.  Same batch of parts I already have and 
will probably end up with many of the same issues I had with Gump.

Letting go of Gump, a 72 220D was a real emotional issue. I had put so much 
care and love into getting her closer to a pretty car instead of just a rat rod 
30 footer.  It is akin to having to put Grandma down.  We could have massive 
cash infusions to keep her around, but in the end, will it be more humane to 
just call it a day and let go?

Gump had already sucked up $1800 for suspension rebuild a few weeks before she 
took out her engine.  Was going to be a $2k task to get her engine back to 
functional, with cracked pistons, and camshaft support snapped.  

Then I was going to have to do more rust repair, a repaint, glass and trim 
seals.  A bunch more interior work to bring her up to same quality inside and 
out.  Nickel and dime expenses the rest of her life.

I love the car, but I could not see myself having to explain to SWMBA every 
time something needed attention.  She hated the car.  It was a junker in her 
eyes from the day it showed up and was unreliable.  AT least I now know how 
quickly I will be taken off life support or tossed into a care facility.

clay


On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

> I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to 
> vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall into 
> that category to a great extent myself.
> 
> The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?
> 
> There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth putting money into 
> it. How do you decide at what point that happens?
> 
> I know that some of you firmly believe that a 123 wagon is the state of the 
> art in the auto world etc but beyond that sort of blind devotion, what makes 
> you continue or not continue with a vehicle?
> 
> My younger son works as a mechanic in a shop that caters to people with more 
> money than brains when it comes to "classic"  vehicles and maybe that causes 
> me to think more about some of this.
> 
> I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it  has to be for my 
> enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
> The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and so far it has 
> not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years old and has over 150K miles 
> on it so cost must mount over time.
> 
> I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant to spend big 
> dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I have this mental dilemma. Am I 
> crazy to get involved in something that will no doubt cause me some grief???
> 
> Having re-read what I typed above, I womder if I am getting my point accross?
> 
> I guess what I am hoping for is a bit of an ongoing thread with opinions by 
> many of you setting forth your own philosophies on this sort of thing.
> 
> Randy
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[MBZ] ThinkPads [was Re: Computer meets coke]

[Craig]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:35:29 -0800 "Greg Fiorentino"
 wrote:

> I have usually purchased through thinkpads.com, also a terrific support
> community.  Look at the feedback forum for the vendor who has what you
> want.

Is that http://forum.thinkpads.com/ ? I don't see anything there that
indicates vendors. And the main site, http://www.thinkpads.com/ , only
talks about new computers (which I don't want).



> Did I mention how easy it is to work on these machines?  Complete
> "workshop manuals" are available free online.  These units are meant to
> be maintained and repaired, not thrown away.

No, you did not, but it's nice to know.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

[Fmiser]

> Allan Streib wrote:

> Is there a particular surplus dealer you like?

I have had good luck with Bob Johnson's Computer Stuff.

http://www.bobjohnson.com/

He carries Toughbooks too.  

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Next Castrol Syntec 0w-30 sale at AutoZone?

[Max]

Curt Raymond  wrote:

>For M1 5w40 the last analysis results from my '84 190D seem to refute
>any changes in that oil. With 9,000 miles on the oil the results are so
>close to results from 2006-2007 tests on my '85 190D to be essentially
>the same. Especially for the important wear protectors like zinc and
>phosphorus.


And the soot level is?
-- 
Max Dillon
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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Benz Hogs]

Amen to that.

 Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (318,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 11/14/2011 9:02 PM, Max wrote:

One word: rust.  Too much rust, time to move on.


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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Craig]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:32:00 -0600 Mountain Man 
wrote:

> In 1984 when the family had numerous kids, we drove a 1974 VW
> Transporter - 19 years old.

There is something wrong with this sentence. A typo for 19?


> Seems opposite to what seems practical, but I don't see any cars on the
> road today that have any safety advantage to W123.

You're saying that a W124 with air bags is not safer than a W123?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Max]

One word: rust.  Too much rust, time to move on.
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well when you get ready to sell them old diesels let me know

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:44 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> For me, the time to abandon a car is when I don't want to fix it anymore.
> It's just that simple. The old cars area as much a hobby as they are
> transportation. We've owned two new cars over the years - a '74 Opel that
> my wife purchased a few months before we met, and the '97 van that we
> bought for her after many cold winters in a '78 VW bus. As I look back on
> all the cars, the two that we bought new have been the most reliable and
> have needed the least maintenance. Perhaps that's luck, perhaps it's that I
> do all the maintenance on them.
> I'm about to enter a new hobby, and am re-thinking my older MBs -- and
> wondering if the advice an old indie used to give his customers when they
> asked "what car should I buy?" - he told them to buy a new MB and drive it
> the rest of their life (I don't know if that's the car's or the owner's
> life).
> I don't want to have to work on a car when I could be working on the
> Tailwind.
> A new TDI is under consideration, but I hate to not have an MB - so the
> cheapest C class is also in consideration. I do wish they sold the C class
> in the US with a CDI engine ---
> 
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> I have no problem with conserving a nice car but don't tell me you "can't"
>> drive it in the winter, thats lame.
>> 
>> I've been driving diesels for the last 8 years, the newest was an '85,
>> also an '84 and '83 and now a '78 which I'm daily driving right now because
>> my '84 needs a carrier bearing.
>> 
>> You COULD drive your car, plug in the block heater and it'll be warm
>> enough to start in an hour or two, synthetic oil would help but is not
>> required, the last winter I drove my '83 I used conventional oil.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:59:28 -0600
>> From: Randy Bennell 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
>> Message-ID: <4ec18f40.3050...@bennell.ca>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> 
>> On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>>> Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>> My car is too old and too nice to subject it to our winters.
>> And, the old diesels do not start like the newer ones when it gets
>> really cold. Double batteries might help but even then, I believe I
>> might have issues that are best avoided.
>> 
>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:


A new TDI is under consideration, but I hate to not have an MB - so the
cheapest C class is also in consideration. I do wish they sold the C class
in the US with a CDI engine ---


If they've got a C63, why can't they give us a C420 CDI?


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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[OK Don]

For me, the time to abandon a car is when I don't want to fix it anymore.
It's just that simple. The old cars area as much a hobby as they are
transportation. We've owned two new cars over the years - a '74 Opel that
my wife purchased a few months before we met, and the '97 van that we
bought for her after many cold winters in a '78 VW bus. As I look back on
all the cars, the two that we bought new have been the most reliable and
have needed the least maintenance. Perhaps that's luck, perhaps it's that I
do all the maintenance on them.
I'm about to enter a new hobby, and am re-thinking my older MBs -- and
wondering if the advice an old indie used to give his customers when they
asked "what car should I buy?" - he told them to buy a new MB and drive it
the rest of their life (I don't know if that's the car's or the owner's
life).
I don't want to have to work on a car when I could be working on the
Tailwind.
A new TDI is under consideration, but I hate to not have an MB - so the
cheapest C class is also in consideration. I do wish they sold the C class
in the US with a CDI engine ---

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I have no problem with conserving a nice car but don't tell me you "can't"
> drive it in the winter, thats lame.
>
> I've been driving diesels for the last 8 years, the newest was an '85,
> also an '84 and '83 and now a '78 which I'm daily driving right now because
> my '84 needs a carrier bearing.
>
> You COULD drive your car, plug in the block heater and it'll be warm
> enough to start in an hour or two, synthetic oil would help but is not
> required, the last winter I drove my '83 I used conventional oil.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:59:28 -0600
> From: Randy Bennell 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
> Message-ID: <4ec18f40.3050...@bennell.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> > Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> My car is too old and too nice to subject it to our winters.
> And, the old diesels do not start like the newer ones when it gets
> really cold. Double batteries might help but even then, I believe I
> might have issues that are best avoided.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Curt Raymond]

I have no problem with conserving a nice car but don't tell me you "can't" 
drive it in the winter, thats lame.

I've been driving diesels for the last 8 years, the newest was an '85, also an 
'84 and '83 and now a '78 which I'm daily driving right now because my '84 
needs a carrier bearing.

You COULD drive your car, plug in the block heater and it'll be warm enough to 
start in an hour or two, synthetic oil would help but is not required, the last 
winter I drove my '83 I used conventional oil.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:59:28 -0600
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
Message-ID: <4ec18f40.3050...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...
>
> -Curt
>
>
My car is too old and too nice to subject it to our winters.
And, the old diesels do not start like the newer ones when it gets
really cold. Double batteries might help but even then, I believe I
might have issues that are best avoided.

Randy

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[MBZ] 108 Interior

[rogerhga]

To anyone interested...this ad appeared in the local Craigslist. No personal 
interest, etc. 
Mercedes W108 Interior - $600 (Lawrenceville) 
sale-eyw9c-2701750...@craigslist.org 

Many, many interior parts for a Mercedes Benz W108 chassis in good condition. 
These items all came from a 1970 280S and will install in most W108 Mercedes 
vehicles. Interior color is Cognac. 

Items included in this lot are: front and rear seats, door panels, door 
handles, ash tray, glove box, dash, wood dash panels, seat belts, carpet, sun 
visors, center console and pad, B pillar covers, window trim, windshield 
wipers, rear view mirror. 

Finding and purchasing these items separately will cost well over $2000. Great 
deal for anyone restoring one of these classics. 

Would like to sell this as a lot but will sell items individually. 

Link to more photos of the items. 

http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu201/Ether_photo/W108%20Interior/ 


Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Mountain Man]

David wrote:
> I have never bought a new car, or one that is less than 3 years old.

Segue to age of vehicles driven - sorta...
Today, I drive a 1984 240D with clutch - 27 years old.
We drove the rusted 1975 Chevy Nova to the junk yard in 2006 - 31 years old.
When we married in 1974, I purchased a 1965 Chevy - 9 years old.
In 1984 when the family had numerous kids, we drove a 1974 VW
Transporter - 19 years old.
In 1987 when the family still had numerous kids, we drove a 1984 Chevy
diesel van - 4 years old.
I could never have imagined that I would drive a 27 year old car when
I purchased our first car in 1974 - that would have been a 1947 car?
Yet my kids drive a 28 year old 240D - older than they are.
Odd... the older I get, the older the car I drive becomes?  Seems
opposite to what seems practical, but I don't see any cars on the road
today that have any safety advantage to W123.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] scam?

[WILTON]

The blonde is probably a lot more trouble than the car.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "G Mann" 

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Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] scam?



Comes with the blond in the pic?
I'll take it!!   Mea... must be a scam, car is way to pretty.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


http://jxn.craigslist.org/cto/**2634726864.html

VIN # 12004096, 4,497 miles, 6 - Cyl. 1968 Mercedes 250sl California
Special Roadster with 104497 original miles. $8000

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[dblidd]

I have been struggling with this question lately also, especially the last two 
weekends when I was putting used u-pull transmissions into two different 25+ YO 
cars to bring the fleet back up to 4 operational vehicles. Currently the fleet 
is this;

1977 240D 413K mi. My daily driver, probably less than $2000 invested to keep 
it and it's predecessor '79 240d running since 1995 or so.

1998 Volvo S70 GLT, 180K mi. SWMBO daily driver, total investment of $1900 
also, was bought with blown head gasket for $300, Now has blown timing belt 
(and bent valves) don't know why belt, WP and tensioners are only 20k mi old.

1985 190E 145K miles, Kid 2 daily driver, just bought this year with bad 
transmission, about $1100 invested, runs and drives, haven't even checked tune 
yet.

1986 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 165K miles  Kid 3 daily driver, probably $700 
invested.

1983 Volvo 245 Turbo - Somewhere around 300K miles, standby car, don't know how 
much invested, probably less than $2000 just did clutch and u-pull OD 
transmission for net cost of $165 over the weekend.

1989 Chev G20 conversion van 165K miles, has been down for paint and parts 
replacement for 3 years, was SWMBOs daily before it got rear ended. Probably 
somewhere around $6000 invested.

Other vehicles that will not be roadworthy in the near future are omitted.

I have never bought a new car, or one that is less than 3 years old.
Most of my former daily drivers go straight to scrap.
I don't count consumables in the total investment, (fluids, tires, licensing, 
taxes etc.) only "hard parts"
I live in the pacific NW so rust from below is not an issue (only rust from 
above)
I have only taken a car to a shop for someone else to work on 3 times in the 
last 15 years.
Jim Cathey inspires me.

I have been asking myself if it is worth it, dollar wise, yes timewise I 
spend alot of time maintaining this fleet but there is no way I could afford to 
have two kids driving any other way. I don't trust newer cars, I bought the S70 
with reservations and it served well for two years, and now I have to pull the 
damn head again. 
When to call it a lost cause? If I had a 240D that needed an engine it would 
probably get crushed, just too expensive. but I will spend $1000 on front end 
parts on a 123, they can come off and go on the next one. Rust or body work 
will cause me to scrap them too, don't have the equipment for that. And then 
there is when everyone in the family refuses to drive something SWMBO has 
done this but the kids haven't figured out that this is an option.


David Liddell
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> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Randy Bennell
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 8:58 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] A lost cause?
> 
> I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes
> to
> vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall
> into that category to a great extent myself.
> 
> The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?
> 
> There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth putting money
> into it. How do you decide at what point that happens?
> 
> I know that some of you firmly believe that a 123 wagon is the state
> of
> the art in the auto world etc but beyond that sort of blind devotion,
> what makes you continue or not continue with a vehicle?
> 
> My younger son works as a mechanic in a shop that caters to people
> with
> more money than brains when it comes to "classic" vehicles and maybe
> that causes me to think more about some of this.
> 
> I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it has to be
> for my enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
> The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and so far it
> has not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years old and has over
> 150K miles on it so cost must mount over time.
> 
> I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant to
> spend
> big dollars on something new or even "newer" so I have this mental
> dilemma. Am I crazy to get involved in something that will no doubt
> cause me some grief???
> 
> Having re-read what I typed above, I womder if I am getting my point
> accross?
> 
> I guess what I am hoping for is a bit of an ongoing thread with
> opinions
> by many of you setting forth your own philosophies on this sort of
> thing.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Rear calipers on w124's

[Peter Frederick]

They stick because they aren't used much and get lots of road splash.

Rebuild, change the fluid every two years, and every oil change pull  
the pads and clean the crap out of the slot where they ride.


Peter

On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:49 AM, ned kleinhenz wrote:


Two questions about the rear brake calipers on w124's:
How do they work? Are there two opposing pistons? and
Why do they sieze so frequently?
I've had at least 3 pairs sieze now on 2 124's I've owned.  But don't
presently remember what is inside of them.
Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] scam?

[Fred Moir]

The upkeep, on the blond will be much more than the car!

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 11/14/2011 6:43 PM, G Mann wrote:

Comes with the blond in the pic?
I'll take it!!   Mea... must be a scam, car is way to pretty.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

   

http://jxn.craigslist.org/cto/**2634726864.html

VIN # 12004096, 4,497 miles, 6 - Cyl. 1968 Mercedes 250sl California
Special Roadster with 104497 original miles. $8000


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Re: [MBZ] seat covers

[Allan Streib]

Well, now I know why the PO had mattress springs jammed in there

On Monday, November 14, 2011 4:41 PM, "Rusty Cullens"  
wrote:
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> 
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> - Original Message - 
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> 
> 
> > What about springs?  Are they available?
> > 


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Re: [MBZ] scam?

[G Mann]

Comes with the blond in the pic?
I'll take it!!   Mea... must be a scam, car is way to pretty.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> http://jxn.craigslist.org/cto/**2634726864.html
>
> VIN # 12004096, 4,497 miles, 6 - Cyl. 1968 Mercedes 250sl California
> Special Roadster with 104497 original miles. $8000
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[MBZ] scam?

[Mitch Haley]

http://jxn.craigslist.org/cto/2634726864.html   

VIN # 12004096, 4,497 miles, 6 - Cyl. 1968 Mercedes 250sl California Special 
Roadster with 104497 original miles. $8000


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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Curt Raymond]

For the most part maintenance is the key to not getting stranded. I've only 
ever been stranded twice and both times I should have known better. One was a 
water pump that failed after dripping coolant for a couple weeks, the second 
was a wheel bearing I'd let go too long.

My $400 240D never stranded me anywhere but I fixed every driveability problem 
(as opposed to cosmetic issues) immediately upon discovery...

Maintenance is also the key to keeping a car for a long time. You MUST fix 
every single problem immediately. If you let an issue fester the next time 
something happens you have two issues and later three or four issues and 
eventually you decide its not worth keeping because it has "so many" issues...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:48:43 -0500
From: Rich Thomas 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
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The issue is more reliability I think -- if you have a beater sort of
car that takes a bit of work and parts to keep running, but is
essentially reliable (i.e., won't strand you somewhere due to
catastrophic failure), then throwing a few bucks at it now and again,
and some fix-it time, is not unreasonable.   Unless it becomes a train
wreck, then keep it going.

Now your average wife probably has no sense of any of that, but that is
just wifely thing, might as well live with it.

But keeping the car going is probably cheaper than buying a new(er) one.

-_R

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Re: [MBZ] seat springs

[Rusty Cullens]

nope they aren't

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- Original Message - 
From: "Tim C" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] seat springs



Anyone know if they are the same as for a 115?

Best,
Tim
On Nov 13, 2011 9:52 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:


Pulled the passenger seat from my W116 this afternoon, to clean under it
but also to clean and lube the slides.  This evening I pulled the 
driver's

side.  That seat is very soft, especially on the right-hand side.
 Underneath I found that what looks like mattress springs that have been
recruited into service to compensate for broken original springs.  Nice
idea, I guess, but they don't have nearly enough strength and the driving
comfort is poor.

Anyone happen to have a good set of seat springs from a W116?

Allan
--
1983 300D
1979 300SD





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Re: [MBZ] seat springs

[Tim C]

Anyone know if they are the same as for a 115?

Best,
Tim
On Nov 13, 2011 9:52 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> Pulled the passenger seat from my W116 this afternoon, to clean under it
> but also to clean and lube the slides.  This evening I pulled the driver's
> side.  That seat is very soft, especially on the right-hand side.
>  Underneath I found that what looks like mattress springs that have been
> recruited into service to compensate for broken original springs.  Nice
> idea, I guess, but they don't have nearly enough strength and the driving
> comfort is poor.
>
> Anyone happen to have a good set of seat springs from a W116?
>
> Allan
> --
> 1983 300D
> 1979 300SD
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] seat covers

[Rusty Cullens]

$272.00 each

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- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] seat covers



What about springs?  Are they available?

Allan

"Rusty Cullens"  writes:


$162.00 each


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- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:25 PM
Subject: [MBZ] seat covers



I need to replace the seat covers for both front seats on my W116,
but I really only need the seat itself, the backs (upright part) are
fine. Anyone know if these are available separately?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Mitch Haley]

Randy Bennell wrote:

I understand that point too. My good wife has no desire to drive a 
beater. She may well be prepared to drive her current car into the 
ground, but she does not wish to start out with a junker.


http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/2676416497.html

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Randy Bennell]

On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...

-Curt



My car is too old and too nice to subject it to our winters.
And, the old diesels do not start like the newer ones when it gets 
really cold. Double batteries might help but even then, I believe I 
might have issues that are best avoided.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Randy Bennell]

On 14/11/2011 3:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

In my case the tipping point was reached when SWMBO decided she wanted a
21st. century vehicle to replace the '79 300TD.  I found a nice 2003 Jetta
TDI for her.

Greg



I understand that point too. My good wife has no desire to drive a 
beater. She may well be prepared to drive her current car into the 
ground, but she does not wish to start out with a junker.
That may well be because I fail to keep things up to her standards. If 
one drives a vehicle all the time, then one thinks about fixing things 
that annoy. However, I rarely drive her vehicle and the result
is that she tells me about some issue but I forget and it goes on for 
long enough to annoy her.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Mitch Haley]

Greg Fiorentino wrote:

In my case the tipping point was reached when SWMBO decided she wanted a
21st. century vehicle to replace the '79 300TD.  I found a nice 2003 Jetta
TDI for her.


I've never seen a used TDI that I'd consider paying the advertised price for.
Now if I wanted to buy a new car that would still have resale value with 150,000 
miles on it, the TDI would merit a close look.


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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Greg Fiorentino]

In my case the tipping point was reached when SWMBO decided she wanted a
21st. century vehicle to replace the '79 300TD.  I found a nice 2003 Jetta
TDI for her.

Greg

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Randy Bennell
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 8:58 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] A lost cause?

I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to 
vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall 
into that category to a great extent myself.

The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?

There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth putting money 
into it. How do you decide at what point that happens?

I know that some of you firmly believe that a 123 wagon is the state of 
the art in the auto world etc but beyond that sort of blind devotion, 
what makes you continue or not continue with a vehicle?

My younger son works as a mechanic in a shop that caters to people with 
more money than brains when it comes to "classic"  vehicles and maybe 
that causes me to think more about some of this.

I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it  has to be 
for my enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and so far it 
has not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years old and has over 
150K miles on it so cost must mount over time.

I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant to spend 
big dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I have this mental 
dilemma. Am I crazy to get involved in something that will no doubt 
cause me some grief???

Having re-read what I typed above, I womder if I am getting my point 
accross?

I guess what I am hoping for is a bit of an ongoing thread with opinions 
by many of you setting forth your own philosophies on this sort of thing.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Curt Raymond]

Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:06:10 -0600
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On 14/11/2011 11:22 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
> There is another way to look at it.  Take a $1500 Benz, put a few hundred
> into making it safe, dependable and nice to ride in and start counting how
> much you save over making car payments and paying higher insurance for the
> newer car.
>
> If a penny saved is a penny earned then I am earning about $600 per month
> by driving a Mercedes.
>
> Mike
>
I do understand that part as well.
Our winters are such that I cannot or will not drive the toys in the
worst of the weather. My 300D probably would not start anyway when it
gets really cold.
That is why I drive the truck through the winter.
I have been toying with the idea of an older GM (shudder!). Probably
either a Buick Le Sabre from around 2000 which would be relatively cheap
and get fair fuel economy. A bit of a throw away car so run it and then
run away from it. That is one of the reasons for my original post on the
subject. I can be prone to keeping things too long and fixing them
before dumping them which is a money losing proposition.

However, I just saw a listing for a 96 Caprice and have always liked the
look of those too. It is not an Impala SS but still looks pretty smooth.
Again, however, would not really want to make it a winter beater either.

Too many choices and not enough parking spots.

My other toys are less demanding. I have collected several older boats
that await my time and efforts too but at least I don't need them at
this time of the year.

Randy in the frozen north

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Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

[Greg Fiorentino]

I have usually purchased through thinkpads.com, also a terrific support
community.  Look at the feedback forum for the vendor who has what you want.
My best experiences are with BobA, who happens to be nearby.  I have gotten
some exceptional deals from him, largely because he doesn't have to pack or
ship.  I do not have any personal relationship with him, I only know him
through his posts and the purchases I have made from him.

I have had another vendor be extremely slow, but have never had a bad
experience buying on their forum.

It is a good idea to check the forum for models to avoid, some have had
issues with failing GPUs.  Since these are surface mount this basically
destroys the MoBo.

Did I mention how easy it is to work on these machines?  Complete "workshop
manuals" are available free online.  These units are meant to be maintained
and repaired, not thrown away.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:07 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

Is there a particular surplus dealer you like?

Allan

On Monday, November 14, 2011 1:05 PM, "Greg Fiorentino"
 wrote:
> I expect so, but I can only personally confirm up to a T61, my current
daily
> driver.  If you check online I am sure you can find out.  BTW, my laptop
> strategy is to wait until the market is flooded with corporate and
> government laptops coming off warranty/contract.  The T60s and T61s fit
that
> bill now and can be had for a fraction of their initial price.  Staying
well
> behind the bleeding edge is an economical way to have plenty of computing
> power for anything except gaming or other pursuits that require the latest
> and greatest.
> 
> Greg

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Curt Raymond]

If thats true than every new car is a lost cause. New cars depreciate 
massively...

I figure its a lost cause if the repairs are worth more to me than the car. I 
drive a lot (~30,000 miles a year) so I find an MB to be quite cheap 
transportation. I drove my last 240D about 25,000 miles for ~$2500 plus the 
cost of fuel. My 190D did about 90,000 miles for around $5000, I was quite 
pleased with both.
My current 240D cost around $1500, I've done about 30,000 miles so far, I've 
yet to do any major repairs yet, it is looking a little ragged though, needs 
some cosmetics...

A used car is almost always cheaper to maintain than a new car payment. Even a 
cheap car is going to cost you $300/mo, that does a lot of repairs...


-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:12:49 -0500
From: andrew strasfogel 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

A lost cause means owning a declining asset.  I don't expect to retire from
the proceeds of disposing of my W123 wagons, but then again I believe they
will probably hold their own in value due to their great practicality and
comparative scarcity.


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Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

[Allan Streib]

Is there a particular surplus dealer you like?

Allan

On Monday, November 14, 2011 1:05 PM, "Greg Fiorentino" 
 wrote:
> I expect so, but I can only personally confirm up to a T61, my current daily
> driver.  If you check online I am sure you can find out.  BTW, my laptop
> strategy is to wait until the market is flooded with corporate and
> government laptops coming off warranty/contract.  The T60s and T61s fit that
> bill now and can be had for a fraction of their initial price.  Staying well
> behind the bleeding edge is an economical way to have plenty of computing
> power for anything except gaming or other pursuits that require the latest
> and greatest.
> 
> Greg

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Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

[Greg Fiorentino]

I expect so, but I can only personally confirm up to a T61, my current daily
driver.  If you check online I am sure you can find out.  BTW, my laptop
strategy is to wait until the market is flooded with corporate and
government laptops coming off warranty/contract.  The T60s and T61s fit that
bill now and can be had for a fraction of their initial price.  Staying well
behind the bleeding edge is an economical way to have plenty of computing
power for anything except gaming or other pursuits that require the latest
and greatest.

Greg

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:32 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

Good to know, if I end up replacing this one with a non-Apple.  Do the newer
Lenovos retain this design?

Allan


On Monday, November 14, 2011 11:32 AM, "Greg Fiorentino"
 wrote:
> That's why ThinkPads have drain channels that will channel liquids out the
> bottom of the laptop without harming the innards.  Kinda like Mercedes
> sunroof drains (gratuitous Mercedes segue).
> 
> Greg

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Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

[Allan Streib]

Follow up to the story, after an overnight and most of today with the
battery out, as of this afternoon the laptop appears to be operating
normally once again.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] seat covers

[Allan Streib]

What about springs?  Are they available?

Allan

"Rusty Cullens"  writes:

> $162.00 each
>
>
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Allan Streib" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:25 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] seat covers
>
>
>> I need to replace the seat covers for both front seats on my W116,
>> but I really only need the seat itself, the backs (upright part) are
>> fine. Anyone know if these are available separately?
>>
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Randy Bennell]

On 14/11/2011 12:54 PM, Fmiser wrote:

The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a
lost cause?
Easy!  When the cost exceeds the value. Oh, but cost can be
tricky 'cause it's not just money but time, confidence,
irritation, dependability, etc.  And value is hard to pin down
too - with factors of appearance, sentiment, availability,
status, function, capability, etc.


There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth
putting money into it. How do you decide at what point that
happens?

A wagon better fits what I need a car for, and are harder to
find, so the value is higher.  Therefore I'm willing to spend
more on them.


I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it
has to be for my enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and
so far it has not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years
old and has over 150K miles on it so cost must mount over time.

I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant
to spend big dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I
have this mental dilemma. Am I crazy to get involved in
something that will no doubt cause me some grief???

I retired my 1/2-ton farm truck when I found a similar 3/4-ton
with a better body.  Since the 1/2-ton did not have the
capacity I wanted/needed and the body rusted to the point the
doors wouldn't close well, I choose to look for a
higher-capacity truck.  That was an easy choice since even if
the 1/2-ton was in perfect condition it would not be what I
wanted.


I too have considered a 3/4 ton but I rarely need the ability to haul 
that much. My primary desire is the diesel version which makes me look 
at 3/4 tons.
I want a Dodge with the Cummins but if I drove it like I do the F150 I 
would likely kill it in winter with all my short trips.
In summer it would be good for the highway runs to the lake and for 
launching and retrieving boats etc.


So far, the F150 does it all and I suppose I should be smart enough to 
enjoy and leave well enough alone, but how many of us can do that??




Seem I typically place a big order with Rusty once or twice a
year.  While it could seem out-of-balance to spend $500 on
parts for a car I bought for less than $2000 I think of it as
the price of one car payment and I feel much better.

--Philip



I do truly understand the desire to avoid depreciation and to have lower 
insurance costs etc. However, there is something to be said for late 
model vehicles. My wife has had her 07 Accord since it was about a year 
old and is very happy with it. I, on the other hand have had to do 
almost nothing on it, so I am happy too. We change the oil and we swap 
summer and winter tires on and off. It had something like 25K miles on 
it when she got it and I think it has 42K  or so miles on it now. Most 
of her travel is close to home. It rarely sees the highway and her 
commute to work is maybe a mile or two. Nice to have a vehicle that 
rarely needs me.


My truck has been good to me as well. It is an 02 and it has about 153K 
miles on it. It had about 90K on it when I got it about 5 years ago. I 
have done brakes, a axle seals, pinion seal, ball joints, a power door 
lock actuator and that is about it apart from oil changes, etc, and a 
set of spark plugs and a couple of coils (but they were not the fault of 
the truck per se). I have to say it has been nice to have a vehicle that 
did not need attention regularly over the past few years.


However, I paid $17500 for it and it is now worth maybe $8 so I have 
paid for my trouble free travel. Prices may sound high to you but I am 
in Canada and we do tend to get hosed. It is a nice truck - Lariat with 
leather etc.


Randy




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Re: [MBZ] seat covers

[Rusty Cullens]

Leather $351.00
MB-Tex $197.00


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- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] seat covers



How much for 91 350SDL driver backrest cover?  Leather?  MB tex?
Yeah, I know, it has leather now.

Wilton

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From: "Rusty Cullens" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] seat covers



Yes, MB Tex


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From: "Allan Streib" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] seat covers



Ouch.  For 'Tex?  Mine are MB-Tex, the color I think is called "Bamboo"

Anyone have a set in good shape?  Kaleb?

Allan
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1979 300SD


On Monday, November 14, 2011 11:55 AM, "Rusty Cullens" 
 wrote:



$162.00 each


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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Larry]

I only consider it "Lost" when rust has taken it to the extent it cannot be 
repaired reasonably - rockers, floors, quarters, all or any can push a car 
over the edge.


But if the rust is under control, it takes a lot to stop.   I calculate what 
it will cost ti bring a car back to nice roadworthy condition and compare 
the total with what I could buy for that kind of money.


about 15 years ago I put $3000 into my 78 240D - that rebuilt the engine, 
suspension and a few odds and ends.  Compare what I could buy for $3000 and 
if you're not into older cars like most of us and wanted a 3-5 yr old used 
Honda - you couldn't touch one for $3K.  Believe it or not, some people 
don't want a 25 yr old MB - and want something much newer.  I know - 
unimaginable. ;-)


That's how I calculate it.

LarryT
91 300D (like brand new)

-Original Message- 
From: Randy Bennell

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:58 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] A lost cause?

I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to
vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall
into that category to a great extent myself.

The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?

There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth putting money
into it. How do you decide at what point that happens?

I know that some of you firmly believe that a 123 wagon is the state of
the art in the auto world etc but beyond that sort of blind devotion,
what makes you continue or not continue with a vehicle?

My younger son works as a mechanic in a shop that caters to people with
more money than brains when it comes to "classic"  vehicles and maybe
that causes me to think more about some of this.

I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it  has to be
for my enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and so far it
has not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years old and has over
150K miles on it so cost must mount over time.

I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant to spend
big dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I have this mental
dilemma. Am I crazy to get involved in something that will no doubt
cause me some grief???

Having re-read what I typed above, I womder if I am getting my point
accross?

I guess what I am hoping for is a bit of an ongoing thread with opinions
by many of you setting forth your own philosophies on this sort of thing.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[G Mann]

Simple point: There are two values to be considered.

1. Resale value.  If you buy and make payments on a NEW vehicle, the resale
value declines from the moment you take possession. The more you make
payments [thus "own" it] the lower the value as it gets use and age.  A
USED vehicle, such as many here own and operate, has reached it's apex of
decline in value. Thus it's value becomes #2.

2. Service value. This would be the value of the service the vehicle gives
you in relation to money spent vs a new vehicle cost.  ie. New car. $65,000
+ insurance costs of say $2,200 a year [full coverage] + finance charges, +
etc etc etc.
In an example, if I pay $1,500 for a MBZ, + $500 for front end parts, + $$$
for new filters, + a new set of tires, + $$$ for misc, + insurance costs at
a lower rate for the older car [no need for full coverage insurance] ...
yet it drives me in comfort and style to anywhere I want at any time I
want, what is my "Service Value".

When the vehicle reaches the tipping point where "Service Value" and "Hard
Costs" cross, it can become recycle material and at todays scrap prices pay
you back yet one more time.

Until then, "Q" is employed providing parts, we are satisfied to exercise
our skills to keep the cars operational, comfortable, and safe. The only
thing that "suffers" is the ego that demands driving a New Car.

[ By choice I do not enter into the realm of issues raised by SWMBO, or
SIgnificant Others Just a mechanic not a phsycologist]

Grant...
AZ

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > Randy Bennell wrote:
>
> > I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it
> > comes to vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as
> > I tend to fall into that category to a great extent myself.
>
> Beaters-R-Us!
>
> > The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a
> > lost cause?
>
> Easy!  When the cost exceeds the value. Oh, but cost can be
> tricky 'cause it's not just money but time, confidence,
> irritation, dependability, etc.  And value is hard to pin down
> too - with factors of appearance, sentiment, availability,
> status, function, capability, etc.
>
> > There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth
> > putting money into it. How do you decide at what point that
> > happens?
>
> A wagon better fits what I need a car for, and are harder to
> find, so the value is higher.  Therefore I'm willing to spend
> more on them.
>
> > I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it
> > has to be for my enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
> > The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and
> > so far it has not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years
> > old and has over 150K miles on it so cost must mount over time.
> >
> > I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant
> > to spend big dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I
> > have this mental dilemma. Am I crazy to get involved in
> > something that will no doubt cause me some grief???
>
> I retired my 1/2-ton farm truck when I found a similar 3/4-ton
> with a better body.  Since the 1/2-ton did not have the
> capacity I wanted/needed and the body rusted to the point the
> doors wouldn't close well, I choose to look for a
> higher-capacity truck.  That was an easy choice since even if
> the 1/2-ton was in perfect condition it would not be what I
> wanted.
>
> Seem I typically place a big order with Rusty once or twice a
> year.  While it could seem out-of-balance to spend $500 on
> parts for a car I bought for less than $2000 I think of it as
> the price of one car payment and I feel much better.
>
> --Philip
>
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Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

[Walt Zarnoch]

Not certain, but I do know that lenovo seems to be staying true to the
original IBM series, which gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.

Walt, who loves IBM products.
On Nov 14, 2011 2:32 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> Good to know, if I end up replacing this one with a non-Apple.  Do the
> newer Lenovos retain this design?
>
> Allan
>
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2011 11:32 AM, "Greg Fiorentino" <
> gf...@dslnorthwest.net> wrote:
> > That's why ThinkPads have drain channels that will channel liquids out
> the
> > bottom of the laptop without harming the innards.  Kinda like Mercedes
> > sunroof drains (gratuitous Mercedes segue).
> >
> > Greg
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Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

[Allan Streib]

Good to know, if I end up replacing this one with a non-Apple.  Do the newer 
Lenovos retain this design?

Allan


On Monday, November 14, 2011 11:32 AM, "Greg Fiorentino" 
 wrote:
> That's why ThinkPads have drain channels that will channel liquids out the
> bottom of the laptop without harming the innards.  Kinda like Mercedes
> sunroof drains (gratuitous Mercedes segue).
> 
> Greg

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Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

[Greg Fiorentino]

That's why ThinkPads have drain channels that will channel liquids out the
bottom of the laptop without harming the innards.  Kinda like Mercedes
sunroof drains (gratuitous Mercedes segue).

Greg

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

My son spilled a coke on my trusty 12" G4 PowerBook.  The keyboard took the
majority of it.  I immediately turned it off and removed the battery.  Using
another computer, I found instructions for removing the keyboard and opening
the case.  I opened it up, and found that the main logic board was basically
dry.  A few drops on the top of the hard drive.  I also removed the AirPort
card and found a bit of liquid in there too.

I wiped up what I could see, and let everything dry for a while.  Put it all
back together and it boots up OK, but the screen blacks out at random.  I
backed up critical files to another machine and turned it off again, and
removed the battery.  Going to see if it's any happier tomorrow.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Fmiser]

> Randy Bennell wrote:

> I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it
> comes to vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as
> I tend to fall into that category to a great extent myself.

Beaters-R-Us!

> The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a
> lost cause?

Easy!  When the cost exceeds the value. Oh, but cost can be
tricky 'cause it's not just money but time, confidence,
irritation, dependability, etc.  And value is hard to pin down
too - with factors of appearance, sentiment, availability,
status, function, capability, etc.

> There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth
> putting money into it. How do you decide at what point that
> happens?

A wagon better fits what I need a car for, and are harder to
find, so the value is higher.  Therefore I'm willing to spend
more on them.

> I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it
> has to be for my enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
> The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and
> so far it has not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years
> old and has over 150K miles on it so cost must mount over time.
> 
> I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant
> to spend big dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I
> have this mental dilemma. Am I crazy to get involved in
> something that will no doubt cause me some grief???

I retired my 1/2-ton farm truck when I found a similar 3/4-ton
with a better body.  Since the 1/2-ton did not have the
capacity I wanted/needed and the body rusted to the point the
doors wouldn't close well, I choose to look for a
higher-capacity truck.  That was an easy choice since even if
the 1/2-ton was in perfect condition it would not be what I
wanted.

Seem I typically place a big order with Rusty once or twice a
year.  While it could seem out-of-balance to spend $500 on
parts for a car I bought for less than $2000 I think of it as
the price of one car payment and I feel much better.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] seat covers

[WILTON]

How much for 91 350SDL driver backrest cover?  Leather?  MB tex?
Yeah, I know, it has leather now.

Wilton

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Yes, MB Tex


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Ouch.  For 'Tex?  Mine are MB-Tex, the color I think is called "Bamboo"

Anyone have a set in good shape?  Kaleb?

Allan
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On Monday, November 14, 2011 11:55 AM, "Rusty Cullens" 
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$162.00 each


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Re: [MBZ] 1982 240D clutch seized?

[Curt Raymond]

More likely the clutch MC or slave is bad. That looks like a pretty good deal 
to me!

-Curt

Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:40:52 -0800
From: "kevin kraly" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: [MBZ] 1982 240D clutch seized?
Message-ID: <7D11F5B533674FD0AEE37787A6E134BF@BobbiesLaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8"

I found a 1982 240D project on CL.  The seller claims that the clutch is 
seized.  Is this possible?  Here?s the car in question.

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2700271382.html

Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

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Re: [MBZ] Next Castrol Syntec 0w-30 sale at AutoZone?

[Curt Raymond]

For M1 5w40 the last analysis results from my '84 190D seem to refute any 
changes in that oil. With 9,000 miles on the oil the results are so close to 
results from 2006-2007 tests on my '85 190D to be essentially the same. 
Especially for the important wear protectors like zinc and phosphorus.

-Curt


Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:13:09 -0500
From: "Allan Streib" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Next Castrol Syntec 0w-30 sale at AutoZone?
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AutoZone currently has an "oil change special" 5qt jug of Castrol GTX and Bosch 
filter gets you a ~$7 rebate, final price about $13.  Of course you have to 
send in for the rebate, which most people won't end up doing, which is why they 
offer it.

Syntec is a "faux" synthetic, hydrocracked oil.  Somehow some legal proceedings 
resulted in allowing that to be sold as "full synthetic" in the USA, and rumor 
is that M1 is now basically the same thing.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Dan Penoff]

I have a son who will soon be buying his first car, which, if I have any input, 
will be a decent W123 or W126 chassis.

Why? A number of reasons:

1.) The acquisition cost. A young person with a few thousand $$ and minimal 
income can't afford anything remotely late model that isn't a beater and/or 
will require expensive repairs because there is so little the typical owner can 
do on newer cars.

2.) Value. Despite the age, these cars hold their value, as little as it might 
be.

3.) Repair costs. Short of a major catastrophe, such as an engine or 
transmission, these cars aren't that expensive to repair.

4.) Going back to #1, the ability for most owners to maintain these cars gives 
them the ability to add to their skill set by learning how to maintain the car. 
Forums such as this as well as the easy availability of manuals and related 
materials makes the task that much easier.

There are certainly some downsides to this approach, such as the time involved 
in maintaining the car, and having the resources to do it, but I think in the 
long run it's a win-win - especially in situations like this.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:

> The issue is more reliability I think -- if you have a beater sort of car 
> that takes a bit of work and parts to keep running, but is essentially 
> reliable (i.e., won't strand you somewhere due to catastrophic failure), then 
> throwing a few bucks at it now and again, and some fix-it time, is not 
> unreasonable.   Unless it becomes a train wreck, then keep it going.
> 
> Now your average wife probably has no sense of any of that, but that is just 
> wifely thing, might as well live with it.
> 
> But keeping the car going is probably cheaper than buying a new(er) one.
> 
> -_R
> 
> On 11/14/11 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
>> I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to 
>> vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall into 
>> that category to a great extent myself.
>> 
>> The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?
>> 
>> There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth putting money into 
>> it. How do you decide at what point that happens?
>> 
>> I know that some of you firmly believe that a 123 wagon is the state of the 
>> art in the auto world etc but beyond that sort of blind devotion, what makes 
>> you continue or not continue with a vehicle?
>> 
>> My younger son works as a mechanic in a shop that caters to people with more 
>> money than brains when it comes to "classic"  vehicles and maybe that causes 
>> me to think more about some of this.
>> 
>> I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it  has to be for my 
>> enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
>> The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and so far it has 
>> not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years old and has over 150K miles 
>> on it so cost must mount over time.
>> 
>> I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant to spend big 
>> dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I have this mental dilemma. Am 
>> I crazy to get involved in something that will no doubt cause me some 
>> grief???
>> 
>> Having re-read what I typed above, I womder if I am getting my point accross?
>> 
>> I guess what I am hoping for is a bit of an ongoing thread with opinions by 
>> many of you setting forth your own philosophies on this sort of thing.
>> 
>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Randy Bennell]

On 14/11/2011 11:22 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

There is another way to look at it.  Take a $1500 Benz, put a few hundred
into making it safe, dependable and nice to ride in and start counting how
much you save over making car payments and paying higher insurance for the
newer car.

If a penny saved is a penny earned then I am earning about $600 per month
by driving a Mercedes.

Mike


I do understand that part as well.
Our winters are such that I cannot or will not drive the toys in the 
worst of the weather. My 300D probably would not start anyway when it 
gets really cold.

That is why I drive the truck through the winter.
I have been toying with the idea of an older GM (shudder!). Probably 
either a Buick Le Sabre from around 2000 which would be relatively cheap 
and get fair fuel economy. A bit of a throw away car so run it and then 
run away from it. That is one of the reasons for my original post on the 
subject. I can be prone to keeping things too long and fixing them 
before dumping them which is a money losing proposition.


However, I just saw a listing for a 96 Caprice and have always liked the 
look of those too. It is not an Impala SS but still looks pretty smooth. 
Again, however, would not really want to make it a winter beater either.


Too many choices and not enough parking spots.

My other toys are less demanding. I have collected several older boats 
that await my time and efforts too but at least I don't need them at 
this time of the year.


Randy in the frozen north

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Michael Canfield]

My 83 300d is just as, or more, reliable than a new car.

Mike
On Nov 14, 2011 1:00 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

> On 14/11/2011 11:21 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> I think all of my cars would be considered "lost causes" by
>> normal people.
>>
>> The 300D needs a front-end rebuild.  The 300SD is tapping my finances in
>> a death by 1,000 cuts, and I haven't sorted out the ACC yet.
>>
>> I have a VW Vanagon project languishing in the driveway.
>>
>> But, they are as much a hobby as they are transportation.  So in that
>> sense they would become "lost causes" when the parts are either NLA or
>> too expensive to justify.
>>
>> I have no illusions about ever making money on any of my cars.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>>
>>
>>  I understand that part. However, I need at least one of them to be
> reliable through the winter as well and I really dislike paying for repairs
> in a shop.
> I'm frugal! (when it comes to labour at any rate)
>
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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Randy Bennell]

On 14/11/2011 11:21 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

I think all of my cars would be considered "lost causes" by
normal people.

The 300D needs a front-end rebuild.  The 300SD is tapping my finances in
a death by 1,000 cuts, and I haven't sorted out the ACC yet.

I have a VW Vanagon project languishing in the driveway.

But, they are as much a hobby as they are transportation.  So in that
sense they would become "lost causes" when the parts are either NLA or
too expensive to justify.

I have no illusions about ever making money on any of my cars.

Allan



I understand that part. However, I need at least one of them to be 
reliable through the winter as well and I really dislike paying for 
repairs in a shop.

I'm frugal! (when it comes to labour at any rate)

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Randy Bennell]

On 14/11/2011 11:12 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

A lost cause means owning a declining asset.  I don't expect to retire from
the proceeds of disposing of my W123 wagons, but then again I believe they
will probably hold their own in value due to their great practicality and
comparative scarcity.




Are you able to adequately insure them?
One of my concerns is that any sort of fairly minimal accident will 
write off my truck even if it is not my fault.
And yes, we can buy them back and have them repaired etc but that is not 
always a winning situation either.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Rich Thomas]

The issue is more reliability I think -- if you have a beater sort of 
car that takes a bit of work and parts to keep running, but is 
essentially reliable (i.e., won't strand you somewhere due to 
catastrophic failure), then throwing a few bucks at it now and again, 
and some fix-it time, is not unreasonable.   Unless it becomes a train 
wreck, then keep it going.


Now your average wife probably has no sense of any of that, but that is 
just wifely thing, might as well live with it.


But keeping the car going is probably cheaper than buying a new(er) one.

-_R

On 11/14/11 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes 
to vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to 
fall into that category to a great extent myself.


The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?

There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth putting money 
into it. How do you decide at what point that happens?


I know that some of you firmly believe that a 123 wagon is the state 
of the art in the auto world etc but beyond that sort of blind 
devotion, what makes you continue or not continue with a vehicle?


My younger son works as a mechanic in a shop that caters to people 
with more money than brains when it comes to "classic"  vehicles and 
maybe that causes me to think more about some of this.


I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it  has to be 
for my enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and so far it 
has not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years old and has over 
150K miles on it so cost must mount over time.


I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant to 
spend big dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I have this 
mental dilemma. Am I crazy to get involved in something that will no 
doubt cause me some grief???


Having re-read what I typed above, I womder if I am getting my point 
accross?


I guess what I am hoping for is a bit of an ongoing thread with 
opinions by many of you setting forth your own philosophies on this 
sort of thing.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

[Hans Neureiter]

And take the keyboard apart, Between the soft plastic sheet with the button
dimples and the underlying PC board mat be coke.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> As MMM suggested, a rinse with isopropyl alcohol would be good.
>
> Even better would be to get some Blue Shower or similar electronics
> cleaner and liberally hose down the MB, keyboard and any other affected
> parts.
>
> You need to get the coke out before it can dry.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 13, 2011, at 10:16 PM, "Allan Streib" 
> wrote:
>
> > My son spilled a coke on my trusty 12" G4 PowerBook.  The keyboard took
> the majority of it.  I immediately turned it off and removed the battery.
>  Using another computer, I found instructions for removing the keyboard and
> opening the case.  I opened it up, and found that the main logic board was
> basically dry.  A few drops on the top of the hard drive.  I also removed
> the AirPort card and found a bit of liquid in there too.
> >
> > I wiped up what I could see, and let everything dry for a while.  Put it
> all back together and it boots up OK, but the screen blacks out at random.
>  I backed up critical files to another machine and turned it off again, and
> removed the battery.  Going to see if it's any happier tomorrow.
> >
> > Allan
> > --
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> > 1979 300SD
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Re: [MBZ] seat covers

[Rusty Cullens]

Yes, MB Tex


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Ouch.  For 'Tex?  Mine are MB-Tex, the color I think is called "Bamboo"

Anyone have a set in good shape?  Kaleb?

Allan
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$162.00 each


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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Michael Canfield]

There is another way to look at it.  Take a $1500 Benz, put a few hundred
into making it safe, dependable and nice to ride in and start counting how
much you save over making car payments and paying higher insurance for the
newer car.

If a penny saved is a penny earned then I am earning about $600 per month
by driving a Mercedes.

Mike
On Nov 14, 2011 12:12 PM, "andrew strasfogel"  wrote:

> A lost cause means owning a declining asset.  I don't expect to retire from
> the proceeds of disposing of my W123 wagons, but then again I believe they
> will probably hold their own in value due to their great practicality and
> comparative scarcity.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell 
> wrote:
>
> > I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to
> > vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall into
> > that category to a great extent myself.
> >
> > The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?
> >
> > There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth putting money
> > into it. How do you decide at what point that happens?
> >
> > I know that some of you firmly believe that a 123 wagon is the state of
> > the art in the auto world etc but beyond that sort of blind devotion,
> what
> > makes you continue or not continue with a vehicle?
> >
> > My younger son works as a mechanic in a shop that caters to people with
> > more money than brains when it comes to "classic"  vehicles and maybe
> that
> > causes me to think more about some of this.
> >
> > I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it  has to be for
> > my enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
> > The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and so far it
> has
> > not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years old and has over 150K
> > miles on it so cost must mount over time.
> >
> > I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant to spend
> > big dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I have this mental
> > dilemma. Am I crazy to get involved in something that will no doubt cause
> > me some grief???
> >
> > Having re-read what I typed above, I womder if I am getting my point
> > accross?
> >
> > I guess what I am hoping for is a bit of an ongoing thread with opinions
> > by many of you setting forth your own philosophies on this sort of thing.
> >
> > Randy
> >
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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Allan Streib]

I think all of my cars would be considered "lost causes" by
normal people.

The 300D needs a front-end rebuild.  The 300SD is tapping my finances in
a death by 1,000 cuts, and I haven't sorted out the ACC yet.

I have a VW Vanagon project languishing in the driveway.

But, they are as much a hobby as they are transportation.  So in that
sense they would become "lost causes" when the parts are either NLA or
too expensive to justify.

I have no illusions about ever making money on any of my cars.

Allan


On Monday, November 14, 2011 10:58 AM, "Randy Bennell"  
wrote:
> I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes
> to vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to
> fall into that category to a great extent myself.
>
> The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?
>
> There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth putting money
> into it. How do you decide at what point that happens?
>
> I know that some of you firmly believe that a 123 wagon is the state
> of the art in the auto world etc but beyond that sort of blind
> devotion, what makes you continue or not continue with a vehicle?
>
> My younger son works as a mechanic in a shop that caters to people
> with more money than brains when it comes to "classic"  vehicles and
> maybe that causes me to think more about some of this.
>
> I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it  has to be
> for my enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it. The same goes for
> my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and so far it has not cost me a
> whole lot but it is about 10 years old and has over 150K miles on it
> so cost must mount over time.
>
> I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant to
> spend big dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I have this
> mental dilemma. Am I crazy to get involved in something that will no
> doubt cause me some grief???
>
> Having re-read what I typed above, I womder if I am getting my point
> accross?
>
> I guess what I am hoping for is a bit of an ongoing thread with
> opinions by many of you setting forth your own philosophies on this
> sort of thing.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] seat covers

[andrew strasfogel]

I have a couple nice Palomino door panels if that would help.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Ouch.  For 'Tex?  Mine are MB-Tex, the color I think is called "Bamboo"
>
> Anyone have a set in good shape?  Kaleb?
>
> Allan
> --
> 1983 300D
> 1979 300SD
>
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2011 11:55 AM, "Rusty Cullens" <
> buymbpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > $162.00 each
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[andrew strasfogel]

A lost cause means owning a declining asset.  I don't expect to retire from
the proceeds of disposing of my W123 wagons, but then again I believe they
will probably hold their own in value due to their great practicality and
comparative scarcity.


On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to
> vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall into
> that category to a great extent myself.
>
> The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?
>
> There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth putting money
> into it. How do you decide at what point that happens?
>
> I know that some of you firmly believe that a 123 wagon is the state of
> the art in the auto world etc but beyond that sort of blind devotion, what
> makes you continue or not continue with a vehicle?
>
> My younger son works as a mechanic in a shop that caters to people with
> more money than brains when it comes to "classic"  vehicles and maybe that
> causes me to think more about some of this.
>
> I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it  has to be for
> my enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
> The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and so far it has
> not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years old and has over 150K
> miles on it so cost must mount over time.
>
> I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant to spend
> big dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I have this mental
> dilemma. Am I crazy to get involved in something that will no doubt cause
> me some grief???
>
> Having re-read what I typed above, I womder if I am getting my point
> accross?
>
> I guess what I am hoping for is a bit of an ongoing thread with opinions
> by many of you setting forth your own philosophies on this sort of thing.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] seat covers

[Allan Streib]

Ouch.  For 'Tex?  Mine are MB-Tex, the color I think is called "Bamboo"

Anyone have a set in good shape?  Kaleb?

Allan
--
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1979 300SD


On Monday, November 14, 2011 11:55 AM, "Rusty Cullens"  
wrote:

> $162.00 each
> 
> 
> Rusty Cullens
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[MBZ] A lost cause?

[Randy Bennell]

I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to 
vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall 
into that category to a great extent myself.


The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?

There has to be a time when a vehicle ceased to be worth putting money 
into it. How do you decide at what point that happens?


I know that some of you firmly believe that a 123 wagon is the state of 
the art in the auto world etc but beyond that sort of blind devotion, 
what makes you continue or not continue with a vehicle?


My younger son works as a mechanic in a shop that caters to people with 
more money than brains when it comes to "classic"  vehicles and maybe 
that causes me to think more about some of this.


I have my 76 115 300D and know that whatever I put into it  has to be 
for my enjoyment as I will never "make money" on it.
The same goes for my 02 F150 Supercrew. I really like it and so far it 
has not cost me a whole lot but it is about 10 years old and has over 
150K miles on it so cost must mount over time.


I have been thinking about another car but am really reluctant to spend 
big dollars on something new  or even "newer" so I have this mental 
dilemma. Am I crazy to get involved in something that will no doubt 
cause me some grief???


Having re-read what I typed above, I womder if I am getting my point 
accross?


I guess what I am hoping for is a bit of an ongoing thread with opinions 
by many of you setting forth your own philosophies on this sort of thing.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] seat covers

[Rusty Cullens]

$162.00 each


Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:25 PM
Subject: [MBZ] seat covers


I need to replace the seat covers for both front seats on my W116, but I 
really only need the seat itself, the backs (upright part) are fine. 
Anyone know if these are available separately?


Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing valve stem seals

[Max]

MG  wrote:

>I have always checked the inside diameter, out of round, tight in 
>head with correct vertical placement and no big gouges on the 
>inside. Check especially at the top and bottom of the guides as 
>that is where most of the wear will be. Exhaust valves especially 
>can be badly worn inside on the bottom end.
>Make sure the seat surfaces on the valves are nice and flat and a 
>nice 3 angle seat grind on the head probably wouldn't hurt. But 
>that is probably being anal. Course most of my experience is with 
>VW and BMW air heads.
>
>Manfred
>
>
>
>Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:35:40 -0500
>From: Max 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing valve stem seals
>
>Manfred, thanks for that tip.  I'll take a good look before I 
>re-insert the valves.  What other criteria are used to judge used 
>guides?
>-- 
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>Charleston SC
>'95 E300, '87 300TD
>
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I'm leaning more toward taking this job to let a professional do it.
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] Refilling SLS fluid - W123 300TD wagon

[Dimitri Seretakis]

You will be the cold beer supplier and the spring compressor operator.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:55 AM, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

What would my role be other than taking a cut of the profits?

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Ha. We discussed building a car from scratch. I make the body, he does the
mechanical.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2011, at 8:34 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
wrote:

You and Gael need to create a US version of Wheeler Dealers.  What would
it be called, he asked rhetorically. Cruiser Bruisers?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: Dimitri Seretakis 
Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:08:51
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Refilling SLS fluid - W123 300TD wagon

I find that show, "wheeler dealers", quite enjoyable but I don't agree
with everything they do.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2011, at 7:36 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
wrote:

On the British cable Tv show where they buy "classic cars" amd then fix
amd resell them for a profit, they "restored" a slightly beat up 16 V 190
by converting the SLS to aftermarket shocks and springs  Sacre bleu - what
sacrilege!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:45:40
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Refilling SLS fluid - W123 300TD wagon

Max wrote:
No factory procedure/explanation that I know of for bleeding wagon SLS.
Same folks don't specify any schedule for changing the SLS fluid.

Common sense tells me that the fluid should be replaced at some point. The
anal retentive in me requires that I bleed the system if I open it up.


I thought I read something about running the suspension full up and full
drain
with the control valve to run fresh fluid through it. I did that with my
16v,
mainly because it felt good watching the car go up and down and reassured
me
that the hydraulics worked.

There is a bleed screw on the control valve under the car. About all you
can do
with it is bleed air from the wet side of the accumulators though.


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Re: [MBZ] Refilling SLS fluid - W123 300TD wagon

[andrew strasfogel]

What would my role be other than taking a cut of the profits?

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

> Ha. We discussed building a car from scratch. I make the body, he does the
> mechanical.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 8:34 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> wrote:
>
> You and Gael need to create a US version of Wheeler Dealers.  What would
> it be called, he asked rhetorically. Cruiser Bruisers?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dimitri Seretakis 
> Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:08:51
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Refilling SLS fluid - W123 300TD wagon
>
> I find that show, "wheeler dealers", quite enjoyable but I don't agree
> with everything they do.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 7:36 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> wrote:
>
> On the British cable Tv show where they buy "classic cars" amd then fix
> amd resell them for a profit, they "restored" a slightly beat up 16 V 190
> by converting the SLS to aftermarket shocks and springs  Sacre bleu - what
> sacrilege!
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mitch Haley 
> Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:45:40
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Refilling SLS fluid - W123 300TD wagon
>
> Max wrote:
> No factory procedure/explanation that I know of for bleeding wagon SLS.
> Same folks don't specify any schedule for changing the SLS fluid.
>
> Common sense tells me that the fluid should be replaced at some point. The
> anal retentive in me requires that I bleed the system if I open it up.
>
>
> I thought I read something about running the suspension full up and full
> drain
> with the control valve to run fresh fluid through it. I did that with my
> 16v,
> mainly because it felt good watching the car go up and down and reassured
> me
> that the hydraulics worked.
>
> There is a bleed screw on the control valve under the car. About all you
> can do
> with it is bleed air from the wet side of the accumulators though.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing valve stem seals

[MG]

I have always checked the inside diameter, out of round, tight in 
head with correct vertical placement and no big gouges on the 
inside. Check especially at the top and bottom of the guides as 
that is where most of the wear will be. Exhaust valves especially 
can be badly worn inside on the bottom end.
Make sure the seat surfaces on the valves are nice and flat and a 
nice 3 angle seat grind on the head probably wouldn't hurt. But 
that is probably being anal. Course most of my experience is with 
VW and BMW air heads.


Manfred



Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:35:40 -0500
From: Max 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing valve stem seals

Manfred, thanks for that tip.  I'll take a good look before I 
re-insert the valves.  What other criteria are used to judge used 
guides?

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD


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Re: [MBZ] Is the net down?

[Max]

Alex Chamberlain  wrote:


Thanks for your thoughts.  I guess my nature is to go to extremes if I have the 
luxury of time and money.

Regarding reaming out the carbon, my theory is that proper driving hygiene will 
prevent carbon build up.  I think I reamed out carbon once on an OM617, and 
haven't done it again since.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Rear calipers on w124's

[Max]

ned kleinhenz  wrote:

>Two questions about the rear brake calipers on w124's:
>How do they work? Are there two opposing pistons? and
>Why do they sieze so frequently?
>I've had at least 3 pairs sieze now on 2 124's I've owned.  But don't
>presently remember what is inside of them.
>Ned Kleinhenz
>__
Yes, two opposing pistons.  No idea why they seize.  When I do brakes, 
especially on a "new" car, I overhaul the calipers by replacing the piston 
o-rings and the dust seals, and inspect for corrosion.  Clean out the bore and 
passages well before putting it all back together, no problems for me but I 
live in a pretty mild climate.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] seat covers

[buymbparts]

Yes, I have them, I'll price them when I get in.


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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:25:55 
To: Mercedes Discussion List
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Subject: [MBZ] seat covers

I need to replace the seat covers for both front seats on my W116, but I really 
only need the seat itself, the backs (upright part) are fine.  Anyone know if 
these are available separately?

Allan

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[MBZ] Rear calipers on w124's

[ned kleinhenz]

Two questions about the rear brake calipers on w124's:
How do they work? Are there two opposing pistons? and
Why do they sieze so frequently?
I've had at least 3 pairs sieze now on 2 124's I've owned.  But don't
presently remember what is inside of them.
Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] Is the net down?

[Max]

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Speed, and iiab,dfi
>

Thanks for your thoughts, Loren, and also for explaining the new acronym.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] seat covers

[Larry]

Find a company that specializes in MB seats - I found Autos Int'l which 
specializes in Porsche and they will sell just the rear seat portion I 
need - so I suspect a co that does MBs will sell individual covers.  I don't 
have any current MB specialty magazines handy - grab one at a local 
bookstore and I would think you'll find a company selling the seat covers 
you need.  They may have replacement springs as well - although Kaleb may 
have a complete seat bottom...


Good luck

LarryT
91 300D

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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:25 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] seat covers

I need to replace the seat covers for both front seats on my W116, but I 
really only need the seat itself, the backs (upright part) are fine.  Anyone 
know if these are available separately?


Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Computer meets coke

[Dan Penoff]

As MMM suggested, a rinse with isopropyl alcohol would be good.

Even better would be to get some Blue Shower or similar electronics cleaner and 
liberally hose down the MB, keyboard and any other affected parts.

You need to get the coke out before it can dry.

Dan

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On Nov 13, 2011, at 10:16 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> My son spilled a coke on my trusty 12" G4 PowerBook.  The keyboard took the 
> majority of it.  I immediately turned it off and removed the battery.  Using 
> another computer, I found instructions for removing the keyboard and opening 
> the case.  I opened it up, and found that the main logic board was basically 
> dry.  A few drops on the top of the hard drive.  I also removed the AirPort 
> card and found a bit of liquid in there too.
> 
> I wiped up what I could see, and let everything dry for a while.  Put it all 
> back together and it boots up OK, but the screen blacks out at random.  I 
> backed up critical files to another machine and turned it off again, and 
> removed the battery.  Going to see if it's any happier tomorrow.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] GPM of an 8" pump?

[Dan Penoff]

Probably in the range of 2500-3000 GPM.

Dan

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On Nov 14, 2011, at 12:19 AM, Brian Toscano  wrote:

> I was reading about an industrial application using 8" pumps to move water.
> Anybody know what the typical range in GPM of a 8" pump would be?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
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