Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

Yeah Kaleb finally saw it in the queue when he posted with pix.
-- 
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'95 E300
'87 300TD

WILTON  wrote:

>Posted Nov 5 when y'all were talking about hitches.
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "WILTON" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
>
>
>> In 201 when I, bought friend's '81 300D, I stopped by Auto Zone one
>day to
>> see what sort of trailer hitches they might have - not that they
>might 
>> have
>> one made for an '81 300D, but that I may be able to see what they had
>to
>> help me with ideas for fabricating my own.  Low and behold, there was
>one 
>> in
>> a box that had been opened!  I was able to pull the pieces out to
>examine
>> them individually and realized immediately that I could use several
>key
>> pieces of it to quickly and easily adapt it to fit my 300D; even
>removed 
>> it
>> from the 123 in '04 and installed it on my '87 300D.  Attachment to
>the 
>> 123
>> was via a cross bar perpendicular to the drawbar receiver and four
>bolts 
>> though an additional
>> steel plate on trunk floor between rear edge of spare tire well and
>rear
>> wall of trunk.  Attachment in 124 has the same cross bar attachment
>to the
>> trunk floor plus another cross bar and two more bolts through a box
>member
>> at very rear of trunk with second steel steel plate on trunk floor. 
>> Forward
>> end of draw bar receiver is attached to rear wall of spare tire well
>in 
>> 123 and 124
>> via two short angle bars that I fabricated (the only parts plus
>coupla 
>> bolts and steel plates
>> not included in the box found a Auto Zone).  'Bent the downward legs
>of 
>> the
>> two short angle bars to fit contour of spare tire well.  Drawbar on
>the 
>> 123 installation was easily removable; not so on the 124 because of 
>> restricted access to bolt through the drawbar.
>>
>> Photos attached.
>>
>> BTW, 'Noticed in hitch photos evidence of some rust forming on the
>hitch 
>> between the drawbar and its receiver; its exposure to salty roads is
>nil, 
>> but it obviously gets wet occasionally.  I'll spray it good with 
>> additional sealant to reduce water entry between drawbar and
>receiver.
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
>>
>>
>>> This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my
>own.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield 
>wrote:
>>>
>>> I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only
>mounted to
>>> the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
>>> sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of
>heavy
>>> duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support
>for a
>>> 2
>>> inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the
>floor
>>> when I get a chance to finish it.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon" 
>wrote:
>>>
>>> German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123
>wagon,
>>> small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch
>attaches
>>> at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points,
>so
>>> euro
>>> hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your
>car.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '95 E300
>>> '87 300TD
>>>
>>> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>>>
>>> I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dimitri,
>>>
>>> As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around
>a
>>> light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
>>> hitches for my daughter's Vo

Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[WILTON]

Posted Nov 5 when y'all were talking about hitches.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?



In 201 when I, bought friend's '81 300D, I stopped by Auto Zone one day to
see what sort of trailer hitches they might have - not that they might 
have

one made for an '81 300D, but that I may be able to see what they had to
help me with ideas for fabricating my own.  Low and behold, there was one 
in

a box that had been opened!  I was able to pull the pieces out to examine
them individually and realized immediately that I could use several key
pieces of it to quickly and easily adapt it to fit my 300D; even removed 
it
from the 123 in '04 and installed it on my '87 300D.  Attachment to the 
123
was via a cross bar perpendicular to the drawbar receiver and four bolts 
though an additional

steel plate on trunk floor between rear edge of spare tire well and rear
wall of trunk.  Attachment in 124 has the same cross bar attachment to the
trunk floor plus another cross bar and two more bolts through a box member
at very rear of trunk with second steel steel plate on trunk floor. 
Forward
end of draw bar receiver is attached to rear wall of spare tire well in 
123 and 124
via two short angle bars that I fabricated (the only parts plus coupla 
bolts and steel plates
not included in the box found a Auto Zone).  'Bent the downward legs of 
the
two short angle bars to fit contour of spare tire well.  Drawbar on the 
123 installation was easily removable; not so on the 124 because of 
restricted access to bolt through the drawbar.


Photos attached.

BTW, 'Noticed in hitch photos evidence of some rust forming on the hitch 
between the drawbar and its receiver; its exposure to salty roads is nil, 
but it obviously gets wet occasionally.  I'll spray it good with 
additional sealant to reduce water entry between drawbar and receiver.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?



This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my own.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield  wrote:

I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only mounted to
the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of heavy
duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support for a
2
inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the floor
when I get a chance to finish it.

Mike
On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123 wagon,
small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch attaches
at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so
euro
hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:

If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.


On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
rack or small cargo platform if you desire.

I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.

Best,

Jon

I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
car-part.com would be nice.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[WILTON]

In 201 when I, bought friend's '81 300D, I stopped by Auto Zone one day to
see what sort of trailer hitches they might have - not that they might have
one made for an '81 300D, but that I may be able to see what they had to
help me with ideas for fabricating my own.  Low and behold, there was one in
a box that had been opened!  I was able to pull the pieces out to examine
them individually and realized immediately that I could use several key
pieces of it to quickly and easily adapt it to fit my 300D; even removed it
from the 123 in '04 and installed it on my '87 300D.  Attachment to the 123
was via a cross bar perpendicular to the drawbar receiver and four bolts 
though an additional

steel plate on trunk floor between rear edge of spare tire well and rear
wall of trunk.  Attachment in 124 has the same cross bar attachment to the
trunk floor plus another cross bar and two more bolts through a box member
at very rear of trunk with second steel steel plate on trunk floor.  Forward
end of draw bar receiver is attached to rear wall of spare tire well in 123 
and 124
via two short angle bars that I fabricated (the only parts plus coupla bolts 
and steel plates

not included in the box found a Auto Zone).  'Bent the downward legs of the
two short angle bars to fit contour of spare tire well.  Drawbar on the 123 
installation was easily removable; not so on the 124 because of restricted 
access to bolt through the drawbar.


Photos attached.

BTW, 'Noticed in hitch photos evidence of some rust forming on the hitch 
between the drawbar and its receiver; its exposure to salty roads is nil, 
but it obviously gets wet occasionally.  I'll spray it good with additional 
sealant to reduce water entry between drawbar and receiver.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?



This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my own.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield  wrote:

I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only mounted to
the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of heavy
duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support for a
2
inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the floor
when I get a chance to finish it.

Mike
On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123 wagon,
small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch attaches
at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so
euro
hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:

If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.


On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
rack or small cargo platform if you desire.

I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.

Best,

Jon

I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
car-part.com would be nice.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

Um make that SPST a SPDT.

Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

I have the standard relays that are used in the MB. Those that I 
used in the version that I drew up. That's why I drew it like 
that. I thought that Craig was going to use the same relays 
that's why I asked about it cause I was beating my head against 
the wall and still couldn't figure out how he did it with three 
SPDT relays. I didn't know from the schematic if that was one 
wild relay that had that required configuration or the two DPDT 
and one SPST. The relays I have are headlight relays so they will 
definitely be strong enough to do the trailer lights.


Will have to keep my eyes open for one of those little Bosh 
wiring books. I have one on general automotive systems by Bosch 
which is really interesting. Has all kinds of info on fuel 
injection, brakes and so on.


Manfred

Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 22:41:28 -0600
From: Fmiser 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

> > Craig wrote:
> >
> > Here it is.

> MG wrote:
>
> AH. I see. But that or those, I can't tell, is/are not
> standard automotive relays. I have the standard relays but
> have no clue as to where to get this or how much it would
> cost. Do you have any clue on that.

Those relays can be any DPDT (double-pole, double-throw; or
2-form-C) relays.  Well, the one could be a SPDT (single-pole,
double-throw; or form-C), but the other two need to be DPDT.

For tail/brake lights, I would use no less than contacts rated
for 5 amp.  10 amp would be my preferred minimum.

Does that help?

If you let us know what relays you have now, we could let you
know the suitability of those relays.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[WILTON]

Yep, me too.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Craig" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?



On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:57:47 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


>http://www.123dapp.com/design#designDownloadDetails
>
>--R

Sheesh!  I thought it had to do with 123s.


So did I.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Craig]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:57:47 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >http://www.123dapp.com/design#designDownloadDetails
> >
> >--R
> 
> Sheesh!  I thought it had to do with 123s.

So did I.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dieselhead]

http://www.123dapp.com/design#designDownloadDetails

--R


Sheesh!  I thought it had to do with 123s.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Craig]

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:30:03 -0500 Rich Thomas
 wrote:

> http://www.123dapp.com/design#designDownloadDetails

Now I'll have to get virtualbox running so I can run the Windows
application


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Rich Thomas]

http://www.123dapp.com/design#designDownloadDetails

--R

On 11/9/12 10:21 AM, Craig wrote:

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 22:13:37 -0600 Fmiser  wrote:


Craig wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:08:48 -0600 Rick Knoble
 wrote:


What program did you use to draw that?

QCad, a 2-D mechanical drafting program.

I wondered if I recognized the type face.  QCad is another dandy
program - but any CAD program is daunting for someone not
familiar with the mindset of CAD.  It's _not_ the same as any
other graphics programs.

True, but I guess I've used QCad so long (approaching 10 years) that the
CAD mindset is thoroughly ingrained in me. I started to use the Gimp, but
quickly switched to QCad.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Craig]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 22:13:37 -0600 Fmiser  wrote:

> > Craig wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:08:48 -0600 Rick Knoble
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > What program did you use to draw that? 
> > 
> > QCad, a 2-D mechanical drafting program.
> 
> I wondered if I recognized the type face.  QCad is another dandy
> program - but any CAD program is daunting for someone not
> familiar with the mindset of CAD.  It's _not_ the same as any
> other graphics programs.

True, but I guess I've used QCad so long (approaching 10 years) that the
CAD mindset is thoroughly ingrained in me. I started to use the Gimp, but
quickly switched to QCad.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Fmiser]

> > Craig wrote:
> >
> > Here it is.

> MG wrote:
>
> AH. I see. But that or those, I can't tell, is/are not
> standard automotive relays. I have the standard relays but
> have no clue as to where to get this or how much it would
> cost. Do you have any clue on that.

Those relays can be any DPDT (double-pole, double-throw; or
2-form-C) relays.  Well, the one could be a SPDT (single-pole,
double-throw; or form-C), but the other two need to be DPDT.

For tail/brake lights, I would use no less than contacts rated
for 5 amp.  10 amp would be my preferred minimum.

Does that help?

If you let us know what relays you have now, we could let you
know the suitability of those relays.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dieselhead]

I believe the schematic can be built with the standard MB Ice cube 
relays if you have a junker, or access to a junkyard with 124/126, 
210 or similar.   At lease, that is how I envision building one.



AH. I see. But that or those, I can't tell, is/are not standard 
automotive relays. I have the standard relays but have no clue as to 
where to get this or how much it would cost. Do you have any clue on 
that.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:40:28 -0700
From: Craig 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?


Here it is.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Fmiser]

> Craig wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:08:48 -0600 Rick Knoble
>  wrote:
> 
> > What program did you use to draw that? 
> 
> QCad, a 2-D mechanical drafting program.

I wondered if I recognized the type face.  QCad is another dandy
program - but any CAD program is daunting for someone not
familiar with the mindset of CAD.  It's _not_ the same as any
other graphics programs.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

That's awesome, thanks!
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'87 300TD

Craig  wrote:

>On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:26:40 -0700 Craig  wrote:
>
>> > Could you do me a quick drawing of how to hook up the three 
>> > relays to do that.
>> 
>> Sure. Give me a little time to do it.
>
>Here it is.
>
>
>Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

AH. I see. But that or those, I can't tell, is/are not standard 
automotive relays. I have the standard relays but have no clue as 
to where to get this or how much it would cost. Do you have any 
clue on that.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:40:28 -0700
From: Craig 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?


Here it is.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Craig]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:08:48 -0600 Rick Knoble 
wrote:

> What program did you use to draw that? 

QCad, a 2-D mechanical drafting program.

I was going to use gEDA, which includes a schematic capture program, as I
did at work, but I didn't have it installed on my home computer and
didn't want to take the time to install it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[WILTON]

Or a chain saw.  'Bout 15 years ago, psychiatrist friend came with his new 
chain saw to help clear a hurricane-downed tree in my yard.  I quickly saw 
how dangerous he was and finally had to say to 'im, "I'm sure you're a 
mighty fine psychiatrist, but you don't seem to know much about physics, i. 
e., gravity and tree limbs.  Please don't quit your day job to take up tree 
cutting."


Wilton

-- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Frederick" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?



Knowledge is knowledge.

The advantage of getting a PhD from a good university (and they are  not 
all good, nor all all PhDs) is that you KNOW that the person with  one has 
proven that they can define an question and answer it well  enough to 
publish something peer reviewed.  Other people have that  ability as well, 
just don't have the certification.


Outside that particular area, though, until they do the learning they  may 
be just as ignorant as anyone else.  Difference is, again, that  they know 
HOW to learn something in an organized fashion and in detail.


You may not get good results if you ask a Biology PhD to help you  rebuild 
your engine


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dieselhead]

The numbers are standard euro terminal numbers on the relays. Same 
as the numbers on the ones in mercedes service manual.

 30= + power
 85 + 86 are the coil connections. I don't think it matters which is 
grnd and which is the + signal from the car's lights.

 87 is NC
 87a is NO

The power from 30 feeds to 87a and 87 depending on if the coil is 
energized or not. What I like about this is if the trailer's lights 
have a short then it just blows the fuses on either the power line 
to 30 or on the light circuits.


Thanks,
Manfred


I used to have a little book I bought form JC WHitney in the mid 70s 
called something like the Bosch wiring standard or something like 
that.  It had the numbers and all the wire color codes.  It was a 
good reference.  Unfortunately, it got lost in the jetsam somewhere. 
I have not seen them for sale anywhere else.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

OK went down there and got back. No euro style hitches. He does 
have some of the flat tongue ones that attach to the bumper and 
the bottom of the spare tire well. Sorry


Manfred

MG wrote:

I will look for one when I go down there on Thur.

I don't think that the wiring harness will be available. I haven't asked 
but got the impression from emailing that the items are all off the cars 
and the rest of vehicle is no longer with us.


I'm hoping for about $50, that would leave $25 for the shipping. We'll 
see, I'll let you know.


Manfred


Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 12:14:18 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

Yes Manfred, that would be good. I'm interested in the euro style with 
the j style hook. I'm not sure about the harness but that should 
probably come with it? Seems like Oris is a good brand. Let me know what 
you find. Prob up to $75 but less would be better!


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Peter Frederick]

Knowledge is knowledge.

The advantage of getting a PhD from a good university (and they are  
not all good, nor all all PhDs) is that you KNOW that the person with  
one has proven that they can define an question and answer it well  
enough to publish something peer reviewed.  Other people have that  
ability as well, just don't have the certification.


Outside that particular area, though, until they do the learning they  
may be just as ignorant as anyone else.  Difference is, again, that  
they know HOW to learn something in an organized fashion and in detail.


You may not get good results if you ask a Biology PhD to help you  
rebuild your engine


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dieselhead]

Rick
An un-educated rube with little post HS education who just answered 
a question from a nuclear physicist. Maybe I'm not so dumb after all.

(don't tell my teenaged sons)
Sent from my iPhone



Nobody knows everything, even about a very narrow area.  Ph.D. 
students biggest hurdle is often defining a small enough research 
topic, so that is can be completed in a reasonable time.  PhuDs just 
know a lot about a small area, but the theory is that if you can 
successfully research a very small area, then you will be able to 
research larger topical areas.


Sometimes the theory works, and sometimes it doesn't.

The school of hard knocks is a tougher university than any ivy league 
or Research 1 University.  I find that graduates of the school of 
hard knocks are more interesting and better company than pointy 
headed perfessors.   (deliberate spelling)



maybe I should make a sign:  Rubes and rednecks welcome here.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

Yeah, looks like I got turned around on the 87 and 87a. Sorry 
about that.


Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Rick Knoble]

On Nov 8, 2012, at 5:40 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

>>> Could you do me a quick drawing of how to hook up the three 
>>> relays to do that.
>> 
>> Sure. Give me a little time to do it.
> 
> Here it is.


What program did you use to draw that? 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

The numbers are standard euro terminal numbers on the relays. 
Same as the numbers on the ones in mercedes service manual.

 30= + power
 85 + 86 are the coil connections. I don't think it matters 
which is grnd and which is the + signal from the car's lights.

 87 is NC
 87a is NO

The power from 30 feeds to 87a and 87 depending on if the coil is 
energized or not. What I like about this is if the trailer's 
lights have a short then it just blows the fuses on either the 
power line to 30 or on the light circuits.


Thanks,
Manfred



Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:26:40 -0700
From: Craig 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:47:51 -0500 MG  
wrote:


> I couldn't figure out how to pass the blinker signal through to
> the trailer and at the same time send the brake signal through to
> the other light without using a relay for each brake light signal
> and one for each blinker signal. I attached a quick pic of what I
> figured out.
>
> Could you do me a quick drawing of how to hook up the three
> relays to do that.

Sure. Give me a little time to do it.

BTW, do you have an explanation of the various terminal numbers:

30
85
86
87
87a

?

I.e., which ones are coil1, coil2, common (moving) contact, 
normally open
and normally closed? I don't have that information available 
right now.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Craig]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:26:40 -0700 Craig  wrote:

> > Could you do me a quick drawing of how to hook up the three 
> > relays to do that.
> 
> Sure. Give me a little time to do it.

Here it is.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

Kaleb, Another one for the quotes page!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Rick Knoble  wrote:

>On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:26 AM, "Craig"  wrote:
>
>> BTW, do you have an explanation of the various terminal numbers:
>> 
>> 30
>> 85
>> 86
>> 87
>> 87a
>> 
>> ?
>
>
>86 is A1 (Armature 1 or coil+)
>85 is A2 (Armature 2 or coil-)
>30 is common for the NO or NC (normally open or normally closed)
>Contacts
>87 is NO
>87a is NC
>
>BTW the A1 on the left relay is shown numbered incorrectly. 
>
>Rick
>An un-educated rube with little post HS education who just answered a
>question from a nuclear physicist. Maybe I'm not so dumb after all. 
>(don't tell my teenaged sons)
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Rick Knoble]

On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:26 AM, "Craig"  wrote:

> BTW, do you have an explanation of the various terminal numbers:
> 
> 30
> 85
> 86
> 87
> 87a
> 
> ?


86 is A1 (Armature 1 or coil+)
85 is A2 (Armature 2 or coil-)
30 is common for the NO or NC (normally open or normally closed)
Contacts
87 is NO
87a is NC

BTW the A1 on the left relay is shown numbered incorrectly. 

Rick
An un-educated rube with little post HS education who just answered a question 
from a nuclear physicist. Maybe I'm not so dumb after all. 
(don't tell my teenaged sons)
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Craig]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:47:51 -0500 MG  wrote:

> I couldn't figure out how to pass the blinker signal through to 
> the trailer and at the same time send the brake signal through to 
> the other light without using a relay for each brake light signal 
> and one for each blinker signal. I attached a quick pic of what I 
> figured out.
> 
> Could you do me a quick drawing of how to hook up the three 
> relays to do that.

Sure. Give me a little time to do it.

BTW, do you have an explanation of the various terminal numbers:

30
85
86
87
87a

?

I.e., which ones are coil1, coil2, common (moving) contact, normally open
and normally closed? I don't have that information available right now.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

I couldn't figure out how to pass the blinker signal through to 
the trailer and at the same time send the brake signal through to 
the other light without using a relay for each brake light signal 
and one for each blinker signal. I attached a quick pic of what I 
figured out.


Could you do me a quick drawing of how to hook up the three 
relays to do that.


Manfred


Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:24:56 -0700
From: Craig 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:13:00 -0500 MG  
wrote:


> I am going to build a combiner made of 4 relays to combine the
> brake and blinker lights. This will be wired into the wires from
> the car lights to the trailer plug.

In looking at the problem, I figured out how to do it with only 3 
relays.

You want to implement the logic:

  Trailer Lamp = (NOT Brake AND Car Turn) OR (Brake AND NOT 
Car Turn)


That comes from the Veitch Diagram:

 BrakeTurnTrailer Lamp
   00  0
   01  1
   10  1
   11  0

Generating (NOT Brake) from (Brake) takes one relay and 
generating each

of the two (NOT Turn) from the two (Turn) takes two relays.

I think it cannot be done with two relays.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Jim Cathey]

Or a TTL chip driven by a three-terminal regulator and voltage
converters, but relays would be more rugged.


There's a reason that 4000-series CMOS is still
in use, even 40 years after its introduction.
No regulator, no voltage converters.  You'd need
one 4070 XOR and a Darlington relay driver, and
one relay.  Maybe some resistive protection on
the inputs might be called for, too.

You'll find it, for example, in the lamp-out
warning module, the alarm, the HVAC, etc.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Craig]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:39:24 -0800 Jim Cathey 
wrote:

> >  BrakeTurnTrailer Lamp
> >00  0
> >01  1
> >10  1
> >11  0
> 
> Standard XOR logic function.  You could consider
> digital logic (<$1 PIC?) driving one relay.

Or a TTL chip driven by a three-terminal regulator and voltage
converters, but relays would be more rugged.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Jim Cathey]

 BrakeTurnTrailer Lamp
   00  0
   01  1
   10  1
   11  0


Standard XOR logic function.  You could consider
digital logic (<$1 PIC?) driving one relay.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[WILTON]

Well, here's what I wrote re. my hitch for 123 and 124 yesterday.  Photos 
were attached and are in the system somewhere.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?


In 2001 when I, bought friend's '81 300D, I stopped by Auto Zone one day 
to
see what sort of trailer hitches they might have - not that they might 
have

one made for an '81 300D, but that I may be able to see what they had to
help me with ideas for fabricating my own.  Low and behold, there was one 
in

a box that had been opened!  I was able to pull the pieces out to examine
them individually and realized immediately that I could use several key
pieces of it to quickly and easily adapt it to fit my 300D; even removed 
it
from the 123 in '04 and installed it on my '87 300D.  Attachment to the 
123

was via a cross bar perpendicular to the drawbar receiver and four bolts
though an additional
steel plate on trunk floor between rear edge of spare tire well and rear
wall of trunk.  Attachment in 124 has the same cross bar attachment to the
trunk floor plus another cross bar and two more bolts through a box member
at very rear of trunk with second steel steel plate on trunk floor. 
Forward
end of draw bar receiver is attached to rear wall of spare tire well in 
123

and 124
via two short angle bars that I fabricated (the only parts plus coupla 
bolts

and steel plates
not included in the box found a Auto Zone).  'Bent the downward legs of 
the
two short angle bars to fit contour of spare tire well.  Drawbar on the 
123

installation was easily removable; not so on the 124 because of restricted
access to bolt through the drawbar.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?



This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my own.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield  wrote:

I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only mounted to
the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of heavy
duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support for a
2
inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the floor
when I get a chance to finish it.

Mike
On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123 wagon,
small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch attaches
at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so
euro
hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:

If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.


On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
rack or small cargo platform if you desire.

I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.

Best,

Jon

I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
car-part.com would be nice.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Craig]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:13:00 -0500 MG  wrote:

> I am going to build a combiner made of 4 relays to combine the 
> brake and blinker lights. This will be wired into the wires from 
> the car lights to the trailer plug.

In looking at the problem, I figured out how to do it with only 3 relays.
You want to implement the logic:

  Trailer Lamp = (NOT Brake AND Car Turn) OR (Brake AND NOT Car Turn)

That comes from the Veitch Diagram:

 BrakeTurnTrailer Lamp
   00  0
   01  1
   10  1
   11  0

Generating (NOT Brake) from (Brake) takes one relay and generating each
of the two (NOT Turn) from the two (Turn) takes two relays.

I think it cannot be done with two relays.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Craig]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:19:09 -0800 "Jerry Herrman" 
wrote:

> OK, I.m confused. Is there a "real" Fleabay, or is it just a term for
> Ebay to make it interesting (like when we write "stealership")?

The latter.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[dseretakis]

Thanks Manfred!
If shipping is more that's fine too.

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On Nov 6, 2012, at 6:59 PM, MG  wrote:

> I will look for one when I go down there on Thur.
> 
> I don't think that the wiring harness will be available. I haven't asked but 
> got the impression from emailing that the items are all off the cars and the 
> rest of vehicle is no longer with us.
> 
> I'm hoping for about $50, that would leave $25 for the shipping. We'll see, 
> I'll let you know.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 12:14:18 -0500
> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
> 
> Yes Manfred, that would be good. I'm interested in the euro style with the j 
> style hook. I'm not sure about the harness but that should probably come with 
> it? Seems like Oris is a good brand. Let me know what you find. Prob up to 
> $75 but less would be better!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

That's what I would like to find or one by Curt (I think). It 
fastens to the bumper attach points also. Only problem is it is 
way to expensive so I may be making my own.


Manfred


Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:14:37 -0500
From: Max Dillon 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

Oris is OE, what you would have gotten from the dealer.  IIRC, I 
bought a used Orisfor my euro 123 wagon.

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'87 300TD

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

I am going to build a combiner made of 4 relays to combine the 
brake and blinker lights. This will be wired into the wires from 
the car lights to the trailer plug.


You could also buy one from Walmart for $20. The only problem 
with that one is that if you have a short in the wiring of your 
trailer at any time it will kill the electronics in that unit and 
there goes $20.


Manfred


Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:02:47 -0500
From: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

WILTON wrote:
> Re. wiring harness:  On my 123, I merely spliced into rear lights,
> signal lights, etc., in trunk for a trailer receptacle mounted 
by the

> hitch. 'Planned to do same for 124, but I've needed the trailer so
> little for several years, that I still haven't done it on 124. 
 BTW,

> everything, including cruise, worked normally on the 123, with or
> without trailer.

How do you handle the issue of separate brake and turn lamps on 
the car vs

combined stop/turn lamps on the trailer?



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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

I will look for one when I go down there on Thur.

I don't think that the wiring harness will be available. I 
haven't asked but got the impression from emailing that the items 
are all off the cars and the rest of vehicle is no longer with us.


I'm hoping for about $50, that would leave $25 for the shipping. 
We'll see, I'll let you know.


Manfred


Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 12:14:18 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

Yes Manfred, that would be good. I'm interested in the euro style 
with the j style hook. I'm not sure about the harness but that 
should probably come with it? Seems like Oris is a good brand. 
Let me know what you find. Prob up to $75 but less would be better!


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Randy Bennell]

Yeah, but doesn't it sound like it would be fun to have an extra light 
back there like Wilton has?
Or, you could get some used tail lights from another MB and install them 
so that they matched the car.


Randy

On 06/11/2012 5:47 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Simple little device called a taillight converter takes care of that.
Available anywhere towing accessories are sold.

Mike
On Nov 6, 2012 1:03 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:


WILTON wrote:


Re. wiring harness:  On my 123, I merely spliced into rear lights, signal
lights, etc., in trunk for a trailer receptacle mounted by the hitch.
'Planned to do same for 124, but I've needed the trailer so little for
several years, that I still haven't done it on 124.  BTW, everything,
including cruise, worked normally on the 123, with or without trailer.


How do you handle the issue of separate brake and turn lamps on the car vs
combined stop/turn lamps on the trailer?

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Michael Canfield]

Simple little device called a taillight converter takes care of that.
Available anywhere towing accessories are sold.

Mike
On Nov 6, 2012 1:03 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

> WILTON wrote:
>
>> Re. wiring harness:  On my 123, I merely spliced into rear lights, signal
>> lights, etc., in trunk for a trailer receptacle mounted by the hitch.
>> 'Planned to do same for 124, but I've needed the trailer so little for
>> several years, that I still haven't done it on 124.  BTW, everything,
>> including cruise, worked normally on the 123, with or without trailer.
>>
>
> How do you handle the issue of separate brake and turn lamps on the car vs
> combined stop/turn lamps on the trailer?
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[MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Jerry Herrman]

OK, I.m confused. Is there a "real" Fleabay, or is it just a term for Ebay to 
make it interesting (like when we write "stealership")?
When I Google, I see "Fleabay.net", but it never comes up, just a perpetual 
circle going round and round. 

Jerry
82 240D


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[WILTON]

Three small, separate fixtures (two red, one yellow) mounted vertically on 
each side of the trailer - tail light, brake light, signal light.


Wilton

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From: "Mitch Haley" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?



WILTON wrote:
Re. wiring harness:  On my 123, I merely spliced into rear lights, signal 
lights, etc., in trunk for a trailer receptacle mounted by the hitch. 
'Planned to do same for 124, but I've needed the trailer so little for 
several years, that I still haven't done it on 124.  BTW, everything, 
including cruise, worked normally on the 123, with or without trailer.


How do you handle the issue of separate brake and turn lamps on the car vs 
combined stop/turn lamps on the trailer?


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

Oris is OE, what you would have gotten from the dealer.  IIRC, I bought a used 
Oris for my euro 123 wagon.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

>So it seems like Oris was a German manufacturer of trailer hitches for
>our cars but I'm not sure if they manufactured the factory hitches.
>I'm also trying to figure out if a factory hitch was made for US spec
>cars .
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:28 PM, MG  wrote:
>
>> I think Max is talking about the hitch on a wagon and you are talking
>about one on a sedan. The one that attaches to the floor is in a sedan
>and the bumper attach point one is on a station wagon, as far as I have
>seen anyway. I'm also thinking that the diff between a euro hitch and
>an American hitch is that the American hitch is a at the end a flat bar
>with a hole in it and a pin with a ball bolted through the hole.
>Whereas the euro hitch is a curved bar (think J laying on it's back
>with half the curved part cut off) coming out from under the bumper
>with a ball at the vertical tip of the bar.
>> 
>> I put an old hitch that I had for a VW bug on my 83 300D. it worked
>out just right. The hitch originally fastened to the bars that hold the
>bottom of the transmission and engine mount plate to the body. I bolted
>that to the bottom of the spare tire depression in the trunk with a
>metal plate on the inside to provide better support. The back part is
>bolted to the bottom of the bumper. I have towed quite a bit of weight
>on a  Harbor Freight trailer. The one with the 12" rims. I like the
>bigger wheels better then those little donuts.
>> 
>> Manfred
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:17:20 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Dimitri Seretakis 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
>> Message-ID:
>> <1352150240.36241.yext-apple-iph...@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> So the American hitch attaches to sheetmetal trunk floor and euro
>hitch to bumper mounts?
>> If I were to find some euro bumpers would they just bolt on? If not
>is the conversion easy?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Max Dillon 
>wrote:
>> 
>> German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123
>wagon, small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch
>attaches at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach
>points, so euro hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and
>convert your car.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
>> 
>> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>> 
>> I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>> 
>> If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dimitri,
>> 
>> As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
>> light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
>> hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple
>of
>> european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
>> not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
>> copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
>> rack or small cargo platform if you desire.
>> 
>> I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line,
>although
>> I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
>> find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
>> car-part.com would be nice.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

Thanks for correcting me guys.
-- 
Max Dillon
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'87 300TD

MG  wrote:

>Amen brother Ben.
>
>Manfred
>
>
>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:02:38 -0600
>From: Fmiser 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
>
> > MG wrote:
>
> > I think Max is talking about the hitch on a wagon and you are
> > talking about one on a sedan. The one that attaches to the
> > floor is in a sedan and the bumper attach point one is on a
> > station wagon, as far as I have seen anyway.
>
>That's because what's the floor in the sedan is a fuel tank in
>the wagon.  And the fuel tank isn't a good place to attach a
>hitch, even with ShoeGo to seal the bolts.
>
>--   Philip
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Craig]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:02:47 -0500 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> How do you handle the issue of separate brake and turn lamps on the car
> vs combined stop/turn lamps on the trailer?

I added a separate light on each side for the turn signals on our trailer.

Now we have a Big Red Van (BRV (tm)) that has a Class 3 hitch receiver on
it, so we use that to do the towing.

We had a bumper/trunk floor hitch on our '72 220D/8 and pulled some heavy
things, like when I attached the trailer and Shirley filled it with trash
that had been left by the previous owner at our place. Unbeknownst to me,
a lot of it was concrete rubble. When I first tried to move the car and
trailer, I exclaimed to her, "What did you put in it?!!!" She pointed out
the concrete rubble. That was real slow going, but we made it to the dump.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Mitch Haley]

Max Dillon wrote:

Perfect picture, but is that euro?


Sure looks like the euro hitch with integrated 50mm ball to me.
All the USA market hitches I've seen have balls on threaded shafts that bolt on 
to a tongue or ball mount.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

Perfect picture, but is that euro?
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Craig  wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:48:08 -0500 Max Dillon
>
>wrote:
>
>> What you need is to look in the EPC and get the factory installation
>> instructions, then you'll have pictures and rough diagrams to give
>you
>> the design concept.
>> 
>> Trust me, three pieces SF steel, a receiver, draw bar with ball,
>you're
>> done.
>
>SF steel? As in Santa Fe?
>
>When I saw Wilton's post, I recalled I had some information about a
>W123
>hitch. I've attached the picture. Hopefully the email will be under 40k
>and won't have to be approved by Kaleb.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

Sorry typo, should be three pieces "of" steel.
-- 
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Craig  wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:48:08 -0500 Max Dillon
>
>wrote:
>
>> What you need is to look in the EPC and get the factory installation
>> instructions, then you'll have pictures and rough diagrams to give
>you
>> the design concept.
>> 
>> Trust me, three pieces SF steel, a receiver, draw bar with ball,
>you're
>> done.
>
>SF steel? As in Santa Fe?
>
>When I saw Wilton's post, I recalled I had some information about a
>W123
>hitch. I've attached the picture. Hopefully the email will be under 40k
>and won't have to be approved by Kaleb.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
Re. wiring harness:  On my 123, I merely spliced into rear lights, 
signal lights, etc., in trunk for a trailer receptacle mounted by the 
hitch. 'Planned to do same for 124, but I've needed the trailer so 
little for several years, that I still haven't done it on 124.  BTW, 
everything, including cruise, worked normally on the 123, with or 
without trailer.


How do you handle the issue of separate brake and turn lamps on the car vs 
combined stop/turn lamps on the trailer?


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[WILTON]

Re. wiring harness:  On my 123, I merely spliced into rear lights, signal 
lights, etc., in trunk for a trailer receptacle mounted by the hitch. 
'Planned to do same for 124, but I've needed the trailer so little for 
several years, that I still haven't done it on 124.  BTW, everything, 
including cruise, worked normally on the 123, with or without trailer.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?



Even if it doesn't have a wiring harness, they are easy to do.


On Nov 6, 2012, at 12:14 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes Manfred, that would be good. I'm interested in the euro style with 
the j style hook. I'm not sure about the harness but that should probably 
come with it? Seems like Oris is a good brand. Let me know what you find. 
Prob up to $75 but less would be better!


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:07 AM, MG  wrote:

I am in contact with a guy in Orlando who has several for a sedan. I'm 
going down there to look at some other stuff for me so if you want me to 
see how good they are and possibly get you one let me know as well as 
how much you want to spend. Yeah I know free would be good but probably 
won't happen. There is also the shipping to consider.


Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Jon Agne]

Even if it doesn't have a wiring harness, they are easy to do.


On Nov 6, 2012, at 12:14 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Yes Manfred, that would be good. I'm interested in the euro style with the j 
> style hook. I'm not sure about the harness but that should probably come with 
> it? Seems like Oris is a good brand. Let me know what you find. Prob up to 
> $75 but less would be better!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:07 AM, MG  wrote:
> 
>> I am in contact with a guy in Orlando who has several for a sedan. I'm going 
>> down there to look at some other stuff for me so if you want me to see how 
>> good they are and possibly get you one let me know as well as how much you 
>> want to spend. Yeah I know free would be good but probably won't happen. 
>> There is also the shipping to consider.
>> 
>> Manfred
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[dseretakis]

Yes Manfred, that would be good. I'm interested in the euro style with the j 
style hook. I'm not sure about the harness but that should probably come with 
it? Seems like Oris is a good brand. Let me know what you find. Prob up to $75 
but less would be better!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:07 AM, MG  wrote:

> I am in contact with a guy in Orlando who has several for a sedan. I'm going 
> down there to look at some other stuff for me so if you want me to see how 
> good they are and possibly get you one let me know as well as how much you 
> want to spend. Yeah I know free would be good but probably won't happen. 
> There is also the shipping to consider.
> 
> Manfred
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

Amen brother Ben.

Manfred


Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:02:38 -0600
From: Fmiser 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

> MG wrote:

> I think Max is talking about the hitch on a wagon and you are
> talking about one on a sedan. The one that attaches to the
> floor is in a sedan and the bumper attach point one is on a
> station wagon, as far as I have seen anyway.

That's because what's the floor in the sedan is a fuel tank in
the wagon.  And the fuel tank isn't a good place to attach a
hitch, even with ShoeGo to seal the bolts.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

I am in contact with a guy in Orlando who has several for a 
sedan. I'm going down there to look at some other stuff for me so 
if you want me to see how good they are and possibly get you one 
let me know as well as how much you want to spend. Yeah I know 
free would be good but probably won't happen. There is also the 
shipping to consider.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Craig]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:48:08 -0500 Max Dillon 
wrote:

> What you need is to look in the EPC and get the factory installation
> instructions, then you'll have pictures and rough diagrams to give you
> the design concept.
> 
> Trust me, three pieces SF steel, a receiver, draw bar with ball, you're
> done.

SF steel? As in Santa Fe?

When I saw Wilton's post, I recalled I had some information about a W123
hitch. I've attached the picture. Hopefully the email will be under 40k
and won't have to be approved by Kaleb.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[WILTON]

Write-up and photos of my hitch installation (123 and 124) are awaiting 
approval by list mommy.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?


What you need is to look in the EPC and get the factory installation 
instructions, then you'll have pictures and rough diagrams to give you the 
design concept.


Trust me, three pieces SF steel, a receiver, draw bar with ball, you're 
done.

--
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:


On second thought it looks a bit complicated especially since I don't
have one to copy!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Max Dillon 
wrote:


THAT is a good idea!  I would have considered that if I had your

talent and tools.


--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:


This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my
own.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield 
wrote:

I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only

mounted

to
the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of

heavy

duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support

for

a 2
inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the

floor

when I get a chance to finish it.

Mike
On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon" 

wrote:


German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123
wagon,
small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch
attaches
at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points,

so

euro
hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your

car.


--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:

If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.


On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around

a

light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple

of

european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
rack or small cargo platform if you desire.

I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line,

although

I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.

Best,

Jon

I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
car-part.com would be nice.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

What you need is to look in the EPC and get the factory installation 
instructions, then you'll have pictures and rough diagrams to give you the 
design concept.

Trust me, three pieces SF steel, a receiver, draw bar with ball, you're done.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

>On second thought it looks a bit complicated especially since I don't
>have one to copy!
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Max Dillon 
>wrote:
>
>> THAT is a good idea!  I would have considered that if I had your
>talent and tools.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
>> 
>> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>> 
>>> This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my
>>> own.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only
>mounted
>>> to
>>> the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
>>> sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of
>heavy
>>> duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support
>for
>>> a 2
>>> inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the
>floor
>>> when I get a chance to finish it.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon" 
>wrote:
>>> 
>>> German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123
>>> wagon,
>>> small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch
>>> attaches
>>> at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points,
>so
>>> euro
>>> hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your
>car.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '95 E300
>>> '87 300TD
>>> 
>>> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Dimitri,
>>> 
>>> As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around
>a
>>> light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
>>> hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple
>of
>>> european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
>>> not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
>>> copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
>>> rack or small cargo platform if you desire.
>>> 
>>> I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line,
>although
>>> I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
>>> find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
>>> car-part.com would be nice.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Fmiser]

> MG wrote:

> I think Max is talking about the hitch on a wagon and you are 
> talking about one on a sedan. The one that attaches to the
> floor is in a sedan and the bumper attach point one is on a
> station wagon, as far as I have seen anyway.

That's because what's the floor in the sedan is a fuel tank in
the wagon.  And the fuel tank isn't a good place to attach a
hitch, even with ShoeGo to seal the bolts.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[dseretakis]

On second thought it looks a bit complicated especially since I don't have one 
to copy!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> THAT is a good idea!  I would have considered that if I had your talent and 
> tools.
> 
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
> 
> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
>> This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my
>> own.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only mounted
>> to
>> the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
>> sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of heavy
>> duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support for
>> a 2
>> inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the floor
>> when I get a chance to finish it.
>> 
>> Mike
>> On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:
>> 
>> German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123
>> wagon,
>> small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch
>> attaches
>> at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so
>> euro
>> hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.
>> 
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
>> 
>> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>> 
>> I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>> 
>> If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dimitri,
>> 
>> As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
>> light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
>> hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
>> european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
>> not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
>> copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
>> rack or small cargo platform if you desire.
>> 
>> I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
>> I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
>> find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
>> car-part.com would be nice.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[dseretakis]

So it seems like Oris was a German manufacturer of trailer hitches for our cars 
but I'm not sure if they manufactured the factory hitches.
I'm also trying to figure out if a factory hitch was made for US spec cars .

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:28 PM, MG  wrote:

> I think Max is talking about the hitch on a wagon and you are talking about 
> one on a sedan. The one that attaches to the floor is in a sedan and the 
> bumper attach point one is on a station wagon, as far as I have seen anyway. 
> I'm also thinking that the diff between a euro hitch and an American hitch is 
> that the American hitch is a at the end a flat bar with a hole in it and a 
> pin with a ball bolted through the hole. Whereas the euro hitch is a curved 
> bar (think J laying on it's back with half the curved part cut off) coming 
> out from under the bumper with a ball at the vertical tip of the bar.
> 
> I put an old hitch that I had for a VW bug on my 83 300D. it worked out just 
> right. The hitch originally fastened to the bars that hold the bottom of the 
> transmission and engine mount plate to the body. I bolted that to the bottom 
> of the spare tire depression in the trunk with a metal plate on the inside to 
> provide better support. The back part is bolted to the bottom of the bumper. 
> I have towed quite a bit of weight on a  Harbor Freight trailer. The one with 
> the 12" rims. I like the bigger wheels better then those little donuts.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:17:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dimitri Seretakis 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
> Message-ID:
> <1352150240.36241.yext-apple-iph...@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> So the American hitch attaches to sheetmetal trunk floor and euro hitch to 
> bumper mounts?
> If I were to find some euro bumpers would they just bolt on? If not is the 
> conversion easy?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> 
> German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123 wagon, 
> small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch attaches at 
> bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so euro 
> hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.
> 
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
> 
> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> 
> If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
> 
> 
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
> 
> Hi Dimitri,
> 
> As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
> light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
> hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
> european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
> not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
> copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
> rack or small cargo platform if you desire.
> 
> I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
> I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jon
> 
> I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
> find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
> car-part.com would be nice.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[MG]

I think Max is talking about the hitch on a wagon and you are 
talking about one on a sedan. The one that attaches to the floor 
is in a sedan and the bumper attach point one is on a station 
wagon, as far as I have seen anyway. I'm also thinking that the 
diff between a euro hitch and an American hitch is that the 
American hitch is a at the end a flat bar with a hole in it and a 
pin with a ball bolted through the hole. Whereas the euro hitch 
is a curved bar (think J laying on it's back with half the curved 
part cut off) coming out from under the bumper with a ball at the 
vertical tip of the bar.


I put an old hitch that I had for a VW bug on my 83 300D. it 
worked out just right. The hitch originally fastened to the bars 
that hold the bottom of the transmission and engine mount plate 
to the body. I bolted that to the bottom of the spare tire 
depression in the trunk with a metal plate on the inside to 
provide better support. The back part is bolted to the bottom of 
the bumper. I have towed quite a bit of weight on a  Harbor 
Freight trailer. The one with the 12" rims. I like the bigger 
wheels better then those little donuts.


Manfred



Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:17:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Dimitri Seretakis 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
Message-ID:

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

So the American hitch attaches to sheetmetal trunk floor and euro 
hitch to bumper mounts?
If I were to find some euro bumpers would they just bolt on? If 
not is the conversion easy?


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Max Dillon 
 wrote:


German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123 
wagon, small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro 
hitch attaches at bumper points, US-spec cars have different 
bumper attach points, so euro hitch won't fit unless you also get 
euro bumpers and convert your car.


--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:

If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.


On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a 
couple of

european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
rack or small cargo platform if you desire.

I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, 
although

I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.

Best,

Jon

I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
car-part.com would be nice.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

Looks very similar to both my euro hitches (123 & 124).  Short arms go inside 
car, parallel to direction of travel, in or near uni-body "rails" for lack of a 
better term.

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clay monroe  wrote:

>http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/3373809244.html
>
>
>On Nov 5, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>
>> This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my
>own.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield 
>wrote:
>> 
>> I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only
>mounted to
>> the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
>> sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of
>heavy
>> duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support
>for a 2
>> inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the
>floor
>> when I get a chance to finish it.
>> 
>> Mike
>> On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon" 
>wrote:
>> 
>> German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123
>wagon,
>> small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch
>attaches
>> at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points,
>so euro
>> hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your
>car.
>> 
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
>> 
>> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>> 
>> I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>> 
>> If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dimitri,
>> 
>> As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
>> light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
>> hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple
>of
>> european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
>> not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
>> copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
>> rack or small cargo platform if you desire.
>> 
>> I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line,
>although
>> I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
>> find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
>> car-part.com would be nice.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

THAT is a good idea!  I would have considered that if I had your talent and 
tools.

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Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

>This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my
>own.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield 
>wrote:
>
>I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only mounted
>to
>the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
>sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of heavy
>duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support for
>a 2
>inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the floor
>when I get a chance to finish it.
>
>Mike
>On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:
>
>German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123
>wagon,
>small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch
>attaches
>at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so
>euro
>hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.
>
>--
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>Charleston SC
>'95 E300
>'87 300TD
>
>Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>
>I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>
>If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
>
>
>On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
>
>Hi Dimitri,
>
>As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
>light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
>hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
>european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
>not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
>copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
>rack or small cargo platform if you desire.
>
>I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
>I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
>
>Best,
>
>Jon
>
>I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
>find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
>car-part.com would be nice.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Mitch Haley]

clay monroe wrote:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/3373809244.html


Looks like the 1 1/4" hitch that Curt Mfg sells for the 210 wagon, but in 2".
Curt's sedan hitch is different, bolts to the bottom of the spare tire well.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Peter Frederick]

The factory hitch bolts to the support members under the floor of the  
trunk.  Holes are already there, it's a standard frame hitch.  A  
bumper hitch won't work.


Any place that makes custom hitches should be able to work one up for  
you.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

No idea, but I suspect not easy/cheap.  You'd need to do a side-by-side 
comparison with a euro car to really find out, unless someone else has BTDT.

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Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

>So the American hitch attaches to sheetmetal trunk floor and euro hitch
>to bumper mounts?
>If I were to find some euro bumpers would they just bolt on? If not is
>the conversion easy?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Max Dillon 
>wrote:
>
>German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123
>wagon, small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch
>attaches at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach
>points, so euro hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and
>convert your car.
>
>-- 
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>Charleston SC
>'95 E300
>'87 300TD
>
>Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>
>I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>
>If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
>
>
>On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
>
>Hi Dimitri,
>
>As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
>light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
>hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
>european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
>not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
>copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
>rack or small cargo platform if you desire.
>
>I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
>I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
>
>Best,
>
>Jon
>
>I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
>find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
>car-part.com would be nice.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Peter Frederick]

There was a factory hitch for the W123, surely someone has a copy  
lying about.  I have one on the old W108, but I'm sure it won't fit.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Nope... the bumper setup is the same between US and Europe.


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

> Is your 124 wagon euro?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
>
> I have a euro hitch for my W124 wagon... its awesome.  Rated for 1900 or
> 2100 kg... I forget which.
>
> I'd really like to try towing something that heavy just to see how it
> behaves, but the most I've done is a few hundred pounds.
>
> Jaime
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dimitri,
>
> As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
> light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer hitches
> for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of european
> style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are not towing, the
> ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape copious amounts of skin
> from your shins.  You can also mount a bike rack or small cargo platform if
> you desire.
>
> I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although I
> KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
>
> Best,
>
> Jon
>
>
> I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or find
> a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to car-part.com would
> be nice.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[clay monroe]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/3373809244.html


On Nov 5, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

> This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my own.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield  wrote:
> 
> I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only mounted to
> the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
> sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of heavy
> duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support for a 2
> inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the floor
> when I get a chance to finish it.
> 
> Mike
> On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:
> 
> German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123 wagon,
> small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch attaches
> at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so euro
> hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.
> 
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
> 
> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> 
> If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
> 
> 
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
> 
> Hi Dimitri,
> 
> As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
> light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
> hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
> european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
> not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
> copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
> rack or small cargo platform if you desire.
> 
> I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
> I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jon
> 
> I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
> find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
> car-part.com would be nice.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dimitri Seretakis]

This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my own.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield  wrote:

I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only mounted to
the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of heavy
duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support for a 2
inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the floor
when I get a chance to finish it.

Mike
On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123 wagon,
small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch attaches
at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so euro
hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:

If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.


On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
rack or small cargo platform if you desire.

I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.

Best,

Jon

I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
car-part.com would be nice.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Is your 124 wagon euro?

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On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

I have a euro hitch for my W124 wagon... its awesome.  Rated for 1900 or
2100 kg... I forget which.

I'd really like to try towing something that heavy just to see how it
behaves, but the most I've done is a few hundred pounds.

Jaime



On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer hitches
for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of european
style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are not towing, the
ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape copious amounts of skin
from your shins.  You can also mount a bike rack or small cargo platform if
you desire.

I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although I
KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.

Best,

Jon


I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or find
a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to car-part.com would
be nice.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dimitri Seretakis]

So the American hitch attaches to sheetmetal trunk floor and euro hitch to 
bumper mounts?
If I were to find some euro bumpers would they just bolt on? If not is the 
conversion easy?

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On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:

German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123 wagon, small 
bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch attaches at bumper 
points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so euro hitch won't 
fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.

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Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:

If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.


On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
rack or small cargo platform if you desire.

I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.

Best,

Jon

I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
car-part.com would be nice.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Michael Canfield]

I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only mounted to
the floor of the trunk.  I made my own with two flat plates of steel
sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of heavy
duty 1.5" channel iron running across to each of them for a support for a 2
inch receiver that will be fastened to a plate bolted through the floor
when I get a chance to finish it.

Mike
On Nov 5, 2012 3:03 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

> German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123 wagon,
> small bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch attaches
> at bumper points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so euro
> hitch won't fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.
>
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>
> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>
> >I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> >
> >If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
> >
> >
> >On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
> >
> >Hi Dimitri,
> >
> >As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
> >light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
> >hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
> >european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
> >not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
> >copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
> >rack or small cargo platform if you desire.
> >
> >I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
> >I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
> >
> >Best,
> >
> >Jon
> >
> >I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
> >find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
> >car-part.com would be nice.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

Same here, but mine is rated for 1700 kg.  I use it to tow my sailboat, which 
is between 2000 and 2500 pounds.  Tows just fine, as long as the boat is way 
forward so the tongue weight is sufficient.

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Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

>I have a euro hitch for my W124 wagon... its awesome.  Rated for 1900
>or
>2100 kg... I forget which.
>
>I'd really like to try towing something that heavy just to see how it
>behaves, but the most I've done is a few hundred pounds.
>
>Jaime
>
>
>
>On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Hi Dimitri,
>>>
>>> As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around
>a
>>> light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
>hitches
>>> for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
>european
>>> style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are not
>towing, the
>>> ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape copious amounts
>of skin
>>> from your shins.  You can also mount a bike rack or small cargo
>platform if
>>> you desire.
>>>
>>> I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line,
>although I
>>> KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>
>> I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
>find
>> a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to car-part.com
>would
>> be nice.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Jaime Kopchinski]

I have a euro hitch for my W124 wagon... its awesome.  Rated for 1900 or
2100 kg... I forget which.

I'd really like to try towing something that heavy just to see how it
behaves, but the most I've done is a few hundred pounds.

Jaime



On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Dimitri,
>>
>> As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
>> light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer hitches
>> for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of european
>> style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are not towing, the
>> ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape copious amounts of skin
>> from your shins.  You can also mount a bike rack or small cargo platform if
>> you desire.
>>
>> I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although I
>> KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>
> I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or find
> a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to car-part.com would
> be nice.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro.  I had a euro 123 wagon, small 
bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it.  Euro hitch attaches at bumper 
points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so euro hitch won't 
fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.

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Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

>I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>
>If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
>
>
>On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
>
>Hi Dimitri,
>
>As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a
>light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer
>hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of
>european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are
>not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to scape
>copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a bike
>rack or small cargo platform if you desire.
>
>I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although
>I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
>
>Best,
>
>Jon
>
>I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or
>find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to
>car-part.com would be nice.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dieselhead]

OOH!  If that was anywhere NEAR close, I's snap it up right away. 
Going price is 2-3 X this price.





My 190D has a trailer hitch, its bolted to the trunk floor. If I 
were going to tow any amount with it I'd reinforce with a big plate 
in the trunk. I've used the 190D a couple times to shuffle my 
snowmobile trailer around, its way more handy than the pickup. I've 
never towed down the road with it as I've never figured out wiring 
the lights for the trailer.


What you want is this: http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/cto/3378717517.html
which I've seriously considered a couple times. It would allow us to 
camp with the much better fuel economy of the 190D vs the pickup...


The Coleman Versa trailers are actually kind of sought after and 
this one seems pretty good.


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I'm looking forward to what's behind the barn! Should be back in a few days.

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On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a light, I 
say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer hitches for my 
daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of european style receiver 
hitches.  They are nice in that when you are not towing, the ball is removable 
and therefore is unable to scape copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You 
can also mount a bike rack or small cargo platform if you desire.

I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although I KNOW 
that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.

Best,

Jon

PS:  Wait until you see what's behind my barn.


On Nov 4, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

A  coleman versatrailer is light and quite handy.  For what you are mentioning, 
it would be ideal.  Very versatile.

Any reputable trailer hitch place should be able to install a hitch. 1 1/4" 
receiver is a good size, but they rarely stay removable.  My van had one and it 
took a lot of beating (with a 10 pounder) to get a hitch into it.  The hitch is 
never coming out of the receiver.  they will be melted together when the van is 
melted for steel.  2" receiver is nice, but heavier than necessary.  A small 
bumper hitch might be a good solution.


I'm starting to realize more and more that I need a means to transport larger 
items.  The 240D is not cutting itas it is.  Is it realistic to put a tow hitch 
on such an underpowered vehicle.  I'm not talking about towing anything really 
heavy here. Maybe a couch or a washer or something like that.  What kind of 
hitch?  Where would it get mounted?  What about a trailer?

The other option would be to buy a 123diesel wagonbut I'm not particularly 
thrilled about adding another car to my unsustainable old car fleet.  An early 
G wagen diesel with a manny tranny would be even nicer but a bit pricey and 
hard to come by.

Thoughts?


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:

If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.


On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a light, I 
say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer hitches for my 
daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of european style receiver 
hitches.  They are nice in that when you are not towing, the ball is removable 
and therefore is unable to scape copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You 
can also mount a bike rack or small cargo platform if you desire.

I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although I KNOW 
that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.

Best,

Jon

I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or find a 
listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to car-part.com would be nice.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Jon Agne]

If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.


On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

>> Hi Dimitri,
>> 
>> As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a light, 
>> I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer hitches for my 
>> daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of european style 
>> receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you are not towing, the ball 
>> is removable and therefore is unable to scape copious amounts of skin from 
>> your shins.  You can also mount a bike rack or small cargo platform if you 
>> desire.
>> 
>> I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although I 
>> KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Jon
> 
> I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or find a 
> listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to car-part.com would be 
> nice.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dieselhead]

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around 
a light, I say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer 
hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple 
of european style receiver hitches.  They are nice in that when you 
are not towing, the ball is removable and therefore is unable to 
scape copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You can also mount a 
bike rack or small cargo platform if you desire.


I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, 
although I KNOW that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that 
setup.


Best,

Jon


I  agree, a euro hitch would be desirable.  Might try fleabay.de, or 
find a listing of german junkyards.  A german equivalent to 
car-part.com would be nice.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

My 190D has a trailer hitch, its bolted to the trunk floor. If I were going to 
tow any amount with it I'd reinforce with a big plate in the trunk. I've used 
the 190D a couple times to shuffle my snowmobile trailer around, its way more 
handy than the pickup. I've never towed down the road with it as I've never 
figured out wiring the lights for the trailer.

What you want is this: http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/cto/3378717517.html
which I've seriously considered a couple times. It would allow us to camp with 
the much better fuel economy of the 190D vs the pickup...


Versatrailer was worth more than $125 last time I shopped for one.
Fiberglass cover is worth about as much as a versatrailer, but this one was 
damaged. Still a bargain even without the cover.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Tim C]

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> I'm starting to realize more and more that I need a means to transport larger 
> items.  The 240D is not cutting itas it is.  Is it realistic to put a tow 
> hitch on such an underpowered vehicle.  I'm not talking about towing anything 
> really heavy here. Maybe a couch or a washer or something like that.  What 
> kind of hitch?  Where would it get mounted?  What about a trailer?

Towing: sure.  You lose acceleration, but if you are staying off the
highway then it's just like dragging an extra body or two around in
the back seat.  Now, when you start to carry extra weight you're
making the body strain in different directions, but you aren't
planning on doing that.

Trailer hitch: U-Haul will charge you but it isn't unconscionable.  I
have a U-Haul hitch that I got from the junkyard for the van, it isn't
beautiful but it has been strong enough to keep me comfortable.

Trailer: http://www.w123-hannover.de/html/fotos.html  ---might be a
little overkill...  Or get a small 4x8 flatbed, easy to buy at Harbor
Freight or the like, and you can store it easily as well. :)

However, for $15/day you can rent a 4x8 enclosed aluminum trailer at
U-Haul, I've found that to be the most economical so far - storage
space is precious and keeping a trailer roadworthy is a pain.

> The other option would be to buy a 123diesel wagonbut I'm not particularly 
> thrilled about adding another car to my unsustainable old car fleet.  An 
> early G wagen diesel with a manny tranny would be even nicer but a bit pricey 
> and hard to come by.

Well, sure.  I use the van for towing.  You could always buy a Unimog
and carry your 240D in the back, then you could tow whatever you want!

Best,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Curt Raymond]

My 190D has a trailer hitch, its bolted to the trunk floor. If I were going to 
tow any amount with it I'd reinforce with a big plate in the trunk. I've used 
the 190D a couple times to shuffle my snowmobile trailer around, its way more 
handy than the pickup. I've never towed down the road with it as I've never 
figured out wiring the lights for the trailer.

What you want is this: http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/cto/3378717517.html
which I've seriously considered a couple times. It would allow us to camp with 
the much better fuel economy of the 190D vs the pickup...

The Coleman Versa trailers are actually kind of sought after and this one seems 
pretty good.

-Curt



Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:12:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Dimitri Seretakis 
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Subject: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
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I'm starting to realize more and more that I need a means to transport larger 
items.? The 240D is not cutting itas it is.? Is it realistic to put a tow hitch 
on such an underpowered vehicle.? I'm not talking about towing anything really 
heavy here. Maybe a couch or a washer or something like that.? What kind of 
hitch?? Where would it get mounted?? What about a trailer?

The other option would be to buy a 123diesel wagonbut I'm not particularly 
thrilled about adding another car to my unsustainable old car fleet.? An early 
G wagen diesel with a manny tranny would be even nicer but a bit pricey and 
hard to come by.

Thoughts?

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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Jon Agne]

Hi Dimitri,

As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a light, I 
say again, light trailer.  When I was looking for trailer hitches for my 
daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple of european style receiver 
hitches.  They are nice in that when you are not towing, the ball is removable 
and therefore is unable to scape copious amounts of skin from your shins.  You 
can also mount a bike rack or small cargo platform if you desire.

I've looked, and I don't seem to be able to find any on-line, although I KNOW 
that I've seen w123 sedans in Germany with that setup.

Best,

Jon

PS:  Wait until you see what's behind my barn.


On Nov 4, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

> A  coleman versatrailer is light and quite handy.  For what you are 
> mentioning, it would be ideal.  Very versatile.
> 
> Any reputable trailer hitch place should be able to install a hitch. 1 1/4" 
> receiver is a good size, but they rarely stay removable.  My van had one and 
> it took a lot of beating (with a 10 pounder) to get a hitch into it.  The 
> hitch is never coming out of the receiver.  they will be melted together when 
> the van is melted for steel.  2" receiver is nice, but heavier than 
> necessary.  A small bumper hitch might be a good solution.
> 
> 
>> I'm starting to realize more and more that I need a means to transport 
>> larger items.  The 240D is not cutting itas it is.  Is it realistic to put a 
>> tow hitch on such an underpowered vehicle.  I'm not talking about towing 
>> anything really heavy here. Maybe a couch or a washer or something like 
>> that.  What kind of hitch?  Where would it get mounted?  What about a 
>> trailer?
>> 
>> The other option would be to buy a 123diesel wagonbut I'm not particularly 
>> thrilled about adding another car to my unsustainable old car fleet.  An 
>> early G wagen diesel with a manny tranny would be even nicer but a bit 
>> pricey and hard to come by.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Max Dillon]

Ditto Loren and Clay, get a light duty hitch installed, find a cheap light 
utility trailer.  If you're only hauling a few hundred pounds, that car will do 
just fine.

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

>I'm starting to realize more and more that I need a means to transport
>larger items.  The 240D is not cutting itas it is.  Is it realistic to
>put a tow hitch on such an underpowered vehicle.  I'm not talking about
>towing anything really heavy here. Maybe a couch or a washer or
>something like that.  What kind of hitch?  Where would it get mounted? 
>What about a trailer?
>
>The other option would be to buy a 123diesel wagonbut I'm not
>particularly thrilled about adding another car to my unsustainable old
>car fleet.  An early G wagen diesel with a manny tranny would be even
>nicer but a bit pricey and hard to come by.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[clay monroe]

You should be able to get a hitch in there.  It would likely be mounted under 
the trunk, straddling the fuel tank and bolted to the sheet metal of the trunk. 
 U-haul shop figures it out.  My sister had one added to her 1999 volvo wagon 
this summer for about $400.  Might need all of a 1.5" ball, but you may need to 
upgrade the springs in the rear for heavy hauling so the tongue does not drag 
the back end down.  Since you are going to be pretty close to the ground, you 
would be able to use those HF trailers with bagel wheels.

clay


On Nov 4, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

> I'm starting to realize more and more that I need a means to transport larger 
> items.  The 240D is not cutting itas it is.  Is it realistic to put a tow 
> hitch on such an underpowered vehicle.  I'm not talking about towing anything 
> really heavy here. Maybe a couch or a washer or something like that.  What 
> kind of hitch?  Where would it get mounted?  What about a trailer?
> 
> The other option would be to buy a 123diesel wagonbut I'm not particularly 
> thrilled about adding another car to my unsustainable old car fleet.  An 
> early G wagen diesel with a manny tranny would be even nicer but a bit pricey 
> and hard to come by.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dieselhead]

A  coleman versatrailer is light and quite handy.  For what you are 
mentioning, it would be ideal.  Very versatile.


Any reputable trailer hitch place should be able to install a hitch. 
1 1/4" receiver is a good size, but they rarely stay removable.  My 
van had one and it took a lot of beating (with a 10 pounder) to get a 
hitch into it.  The hitch is never coming out of the receiver.  they 
will be melted together when the van is melted for steel.  2" 
receiver is nice, but heavier than necessary.  A small bumper hitch 
might be a good solution.



I'm starting to realize more and more that I need a means to 
transport larger items.  The 240D is not cutting itas it is.  Is it 
realistic to put a tow hitch on such an underpowered vehicle.  I'm 
not talking about towing anything really heavy here. Maybe a couch 
or a washer or something like that.  What kind of hitch?  Where 
would it get mounted?  What about a trailer?


The other option would be to buy a 123diesel wagonbut I'm not 
particularly thrilled about adding another car to my unsustainable 
old car fleet.  An early G wagen diesel with a manny tranny would be 
even nicer but a bit pricey and hard to come by.


Thoughts?


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[MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I'm starting to realize more and more that I need a means to transport larger 
items.  The 240D is not cutting itas it is.  Is it realistic to put a tow hitch 
on such an underpowered vehicle.  I'm not talking about towing anything really 
heavy here. Maybe a couch or a washer or something like that.  What kind of 
hitch?  Where would it get mounted?  What about a trailer?

The other option would be to buy a 123diesel wagonbut I'm not particularly 
thrilled about adding another car to my unsustainable old car fleet.  An early 
G wagen diesel with a manny tranny would be even nicer but a bit pricey and 
hard to come by.

Thoughts?


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