Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
Kaleb if you have ever tried to repair it with the windows CD make sure that you check out ...Rick Knoble's post If you repaired the copies of Windows XP from the Windows disk, there are DLL's that need to be re-registered. Here is the fix that I used when I had that very same problem on my kids computer. http://windowssecrets.com/2007/09/27/03-Stealth-Windows-update-prevents-XP-repair Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again thanks dude, I will give that a try. George Larribeau wrote: Kaleb, I am assuming W2K or XP. Try the 'custom button after it 'thinks' for a while you will get a list with the 'critical updates on it (there is also lists for 'optional software and hardware(driver related) ignore these lists for now. again here I am assuming that you are getting hosed on a critical update. Now at this point if this dribble is useful try this: make a list of the critical updates it wants to load, they will have descriptive names maybe with a cryptic number that will start usually with KB(something)the KB numbers are useful. You want to keep a list of them with the 'English descriptions ' One way to do this is to paste a bunch of it into note pad an save it somewhere handy to get to it later, if it is long printing it might help. Now that you have a list check to see which ones are selected, usually this will be all of the critical updates but some times there are updates that need to be installed by them selves. Hit the install selected updates button and watch, this can get boring and tedious. It will first down load the whole list then it will try to install them one at a time. You need to note the first one it tries to install by the KB number, this should be the one that it is chocking on, the one that gives the message update failed. Now more dribble ..after it fails reboot the 'favorite expletive here 'and rerun updates this time un-select the problem update and see if other updates will load. hopefully some will. If this is working then try google searching on micro$haft update KB fails to load and see what you get. updates can alsoe be found on the M$ web site by KB number as stand alone exe files. They can be tricky to find google usually can do a better job of finding them than the search box on the MS web site , but some times not ... Good Luck hope this can help. George Larribeau where abouts secret, just put on my tin foil hat .. oopps I did mean microsoft ... On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 20:58 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates. AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue about that? Allan Streib wrote: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I upgraded from Win98 to XP home and there's no comparision - XP was a major leap forward. Stable, faster, easy to upgrade the OS and other stuff in the puter. Good grief yes that would be an improvement. Win98 was still mostly a graphical UI over DOS. When I used 95/98 I had to reboot generally twice a day due to memory leaks or blue screens. With 2000/XP I only reboot after Windows Updates (which seems to be every week, but I know it's not quite that often). Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
dickie swears by BSD and we all know, um, just how reliable his stuff is. On Jan 27, 2008 9:32 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last time I Looked at Redhat Linux, their software was not free. Their licensing model requires an annual subscription that can easily cost more than Windows in the long run. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dickie swears by BSD and we all know, um, just how reliable his stuff is. Wasn't all his hardware cobbled together from discarded salvage though? As I recall most of the problems he had were disk drives failing and not having proper backups. The OS can't really help you there. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
BSD is one of the most reliable subversions of UNIX. OS X is based loosely around BSD, and Solaris is a BSD kernel. Just because Dickie doesn't know how to tune his systems doesn't mean the engine is bad. Ed On Jan 30, 2008 12:27 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dickie swears by BSD and we all know, um, just how reliable his stuff is. -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As far as the heat, would it be permissable to leave the side panel off to pull extra air into the box? Looks like I can mix the HDs as long as I can live with performance issues. Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Larry, SATA is only the interface and the drive mechanics are exactly the same as a standard ATA or SCSI drive. That's not to say that SCSI is not faster. The mechanicals in a SCSI drive are usually faster but these are also more expensive, commercial drives. You will get a performance boost because cache reads will be much faster. Hopefully your new drive also has a 16 MB cache which will also help with performance. Also, you need to look at the drive jumper settings. Some of the SATA/300 drives ship pre-jumpered for the SATA/150 standard. The heat issue from some newer drives comes from the continuous push for performance. Decreasing seek time (increasing head travel speed) and increasing platter RPM all add up to more heat being generated by the drive motor, the linear head motor and the drive circuitry. In other words, the same mechanics behind any interface causes the same issue. SCSI drives get hot too and for the same reason. But commercial SCSI drive bays are designed with plenty of air circulation and the heat is pulled [SNIP]_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
Hi Philip, Thanks for the info -- I can pull the info about my mobo - but is it safe to assume, since there is a power and data cable from the mobo the SATA is supported? I better pull the manual - Thx agn - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again It seems than at Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:39:37 -0500, LarryT wrote: Is it a problem using a SATA HD as a slave to a ATA HDs -- That doesn't apply. The slave master designation is for the two devices allowed on a ATA channel. The term slave drive no longer applies when using another SCSI, SATA, or ATA on another channel. This also means that you will need SATA controller to use an SATA drive. It can be a separate card or built-in to the motherboard. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
Computer cases are designed to cool better with the cover on. That's why the power supply is mounted in the top rear - heat rises. Install a case fan instead of removing the cover. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/29/08 12:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again As far as the heat, would it be permissable to leave the side panel off to pull extra air into the box? Looks like I can mix the HDs as long as I can live with performance issues. Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Larry, SATA is only the interface and the drive mechanics are exactly the same as a standard ATA or SCSI drive. That's not to say that SCSI is not faster. The mechanicals in a SCSI drive are usually faster but these are also more expensive, commercial drives. You will get a performance boost because cache reads will be much faster. Hopefully your new drive also has a 16 MB cache which will also help with performance. Also, you need to look at the drive jumper settings. Some of the SATA/300 drives ship pre-jumpered for the SATA/150 standard. The heat issue from some newer drives comes from the continuous push for performance. Decreasing seek time (increasing head travel speed) and increasing platter RPM all add up to more heat being generated by the drive motor, the linear head motor and the drive circuitry. In other words, the same mechanics behind any interface causes the same issue. SCSI drives get hot too and for the same reason. But commercial SCSI drive bays are designed with plenty of air circulation and the heat is pulled [SNIP]_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1248 - Release Date: 1/28/2008 9:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
I have a case fan and the PS has a variable speed Smart fan. Also, the processor has a fan mounted on it. Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Computer cases are designed to cool better with the cover on. That's why the power supply is mounted in the top rear - heat rises. Install a case fan instead of removing the cover. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/29/08 12:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again As far as the heat, would it be permissable to leave the side panel off to pull extra air into the box? Looks like I can mix the HDs as long as I can live with performance issues. Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Larry, SATA is only the interface and the drive mechanics are exactly the same as a standard ATA or SCSI drive. That's not to say that SCSI is not faster. The mechanicals in a SCSI drive are usually faster but these are also more expensive, commercial drives. You will get a performance boost because cache reads will be much faster. Hopefully your new drive also has a 16 MB cache which will also help with performance. Also, you need to look at the drive jumper settings. Some of the SATA/300 drives ship pre-jumpered for the SATA/150 standard. The heat issue from some newer drives comes from the continuous push for performance. Decreasing seek time (increasing head travel speed) and increasing platter RPM all add up to more heat being generated by the drive motor, the linear head motor and the drive circuitry. In other words, the same mechanics behind any interface causes the same issue. SCSI drives get hot too and for the same reason. But commercial SCSI drive bays are designed with plenty of air circulation and the heat is pulled [SNIP]_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1248 - Release Date: 1/28/2008 9:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks Tom!! Very helpful - Now I understand. Take Care -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Larry, SATA is only the interface and the drive mechanics are exactly the same as a standard ATA or SCSI drive. That's not to say that SCSI is not faster. The mechanicals in a SCSI drive are usually faster but these are also more expensive, commercial drives. You will get a performance boost because cache reads will be much faster. Hopefully your new drive also has a 16 MB cache which will also help with performance. Also, you need to look at the drive jumper settings. Some of the SATA/300 drives ship pre-jumpered for the SATA/150 standard. The heat issue from some newer drives comes from the continuous push for performance. Decreasing seek time (increasing head travel speed) and increasing platter RPM all add up to more heat being generated by the drive motor, the linear head motor and the drive circuitry. In other words, the same mechanics behind any interface causes the same issue. SCSI drives get hot too and for the same reason. But commercial SCSI drive bays are designed with plenty of air circulation and the heat is pulled away. This is one reason most servers have the drives mounted out front room air is pulled past the drives on the way through the case. The other reason is to give the ability to hot swap a drive. Problems occur when you install higher performing drives in a desktop because they usually sit behind the front cover where there is poor air circulation. And it does not help that some cases pull their CPU cooling air in from the side cover, making up for all of the air being pulled out of the case by the power supply and completely eliminating any airflow through the front cover. But the solution is really simple. Most if not all good cases come with mounting holes in the front for a fan and you just need to mount a fan there, pointing to the drives. Pull the front cover off your box I suspect that you will find 4 small mounting holes punched in the front sheet metal. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Thx Tom, I presently have 2 HDs in my desktop - last time I opend the sace I saw the Mobo has power/data cables for a SATA drive - which makes adding another HD easier since the mobo supports SATA. I bought a 350gb SATA for a external encl for less than $60 recently - I may do something similar in my desktop. FOrtunately my desktop has lots of cooling fans - 3 IIRC - 4 counting the one on the processor. (2 in the PS, 1 in the back of the cab) so I hope heat will not be a problem. My PS is Smart in that it monitors the temp and changes the speed of the fan when needed. Any downside to a SATA? Does it have slower seek speed, for instance? Thx for the info - appreciate it -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again SATA is a different interface but they support 100% of the ATA command set. And because they use a different interface, you will not be able to plug one into a ATA drive cable. But you can buy a SATA card cable if you are looking for a data drive. Look for a drive that supports the SATA 2 (SATA/300) standard with a 16 MB cache for best performance. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Is it a problem using a SATA HD as a slave to a ATA HDs -- trying to understand the difference between the 2 although I have gone to a computer glossary - it won;t tell me what it is/is not compatible with. Presently I'm using a 350 GB SATA as a external data storage drive for my laptop -- works great although it puts out a lot of heat. Any comments? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http
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And the best thing is that they are about as quiet as one will find. If you have the box sitting beside you all day, quieter fans is something you have to appreciate. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again The Antec cases are the way to go. They might be more expensive, but you have something you'll be happy with. Craig Yup. And they have good service. The power supply fan fail in my Sonata.(extra quiet) I called them up to see if it was a special fan I should get from them or just get a generic. The fellow said, What's your address. We'll ship you a new one free. I was willing to pay - but they wouldn't let me. I've worked with a couple more. I see no reason to use anything else. Good case, good service. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It seems than at Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:24:20 -0500, LarryT wrote: I can pull the info about my mobo - but is it safe to assume, since there is a power and data cable from the mobo the SATA is supported? I better pull the manual - If there is a place for the data cable to connect to the motherboard, it should work. As far as the heat, would it be permissable to leave the side panel off to pull extra air into the box? Generally that is not a good idea. With decent case, the airflow has been planned. If you leave the side of, the airflow has a short circuit and usually only some parts will be cooler. Others will actually be hotter with the side off. But without temperature gauges, it's hard to tell for sure... --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There should be a phone or email contact for MS so you can contact them. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates. AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue about that? Allan Streib wrote: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I upgraded from Win98 to XP home and there's no comparision - XP was a major leap forward. Stable, faster, easy to upgrade the OS and other stuff in the puter. Good grief yes that would be an improvement. Win98 was still mostly a graphical UI over DOS. When I used 95/98 I had to reboot generally twice a day due to memory leaks or blue screens. With 2000/XP I only reboot after Windows Updates (which seems to be every week, but I know it's not quite that often). Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Usually no, especially if you've got a good case with well designed airflow. The airflow in the case should be pulling air across the components and out the back. If you leave the side off the air will just sneak in to the fans. The powersupply will still be adequately cooled because its got its own airflow design, as will the processor, everything else will start to run hot. -Curt Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:24:20 -0500 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original As far as the heat, would it be permissable to leave the side panel off to pull extra air into the box? Looks like I can mix the HDs as long as I can live with performance issues. Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had some trouble and had to reformat my XP hard drive again. I've still got the SP2.cab file from the Service Pack 2 I downloaded last weekend. Is there a way I can install sp2 from the cabinet file without running windows update and downloading for seven hours again? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates. AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue about that? If you repaired the copies of Windows XP from the Windows disk, there are DLL's that need to be re-registered. Here is the fix that I used when I had that very same problem on my kids computer. http://windowssecrets.com/2007/09/27/03-Stealth-Windows-update-prevents-XP-repair Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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thanks dude, I will give that a try. George Larribeau wrote: Kaleb, I am assuming W2K or XP. Try the 'custom button after it 'thinks' for a while you will get a list with the 'critical updates on it (there is also lists for 'optional software and hardware(driver related) ignore these lists for now. again here I am assuming that you are getting hosed on a critical update. Now at this point if this dribble is useful try this: make a list of the critical updates it wants to load, they will have descriptive names maybe with a cryptic number that will start usually with KB(something)the KB numbers are useful. You want to keep a list of them with the 'English descriptions ' One way to do this is to paste a bunch of it into note pad an save it somewhere handy to get to it later, if it is long printing it might help. Now that you have a list check to see which ones are selected, usually this will be all of the critical updates but some times there are updates that need to be installed by them selves. Hit the install selected updates button and watch, this can get boring and tedious. It will first down load the whole list then it will try to install them one at a time. You need to note the first one it tries to install by the KB number, this should be the one that it is chocking on, the one that gives the message update failed. Now more dribble ..after it fails reboot the 'favorite expletive here 'and rerun updates this time un-select the problem update and see if other updates will load. hopefully some will. If this is working then try google searching on micro$haft update KB fails to load and see what you get. updates can alsoe be found on the M$ web site by KB number as stand alone exe files. They can be tricky to find google usually can do a better job of finding them than the search box on the MS web site , but some times not ... Good Luck hope this can help. George Larribeau where abouts secret, just put on my tin foil hat .. oopps I did mean microsoft ... On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 20:58 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates. AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue about that? Allan Streib wrote: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I upgraded from Win98 to XP home and there's no comparision - XP was a major leap forward. Stable, faster, easy to upgrade the OS and other stuff in the puter. Good grief yes that would be an improvement. Win98 was still mostly a graphical UI over DOS. When I used 95/98 I had to reboot generally twice a day due to memory leaks or blue screens. With 2000/XP I only reboot after Windows Updates (which seems to be every week, but I know it's not quite that often). Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have always been told that leaving the side off actually reduces airflow. LarryT wrote: As far as the heat, would it be permissable to leave the side panel off to pull extra air into the box? Looks like I can mix the HDs as long as I can live with performance issues. Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Larry, SATA is only the interface and the drive mechanics are exactly the same as a standard ATA or SCSI drive. That's not to say that SCSI is not faster. The mechanicals in a SCSI drive are usually faster but these are also more expensive, commercial drives. You will get a performance boost because cache reads will be much faster. Hopefully your new drive also has a 16 MB cache which will also help with performance. Also, you need to look at the drive jumper settings. Some of the SATA/300 drives ship pre-jumpered for the SATA/150 standard. The heat issue from some newer drives comes from the continuous push for performance. Decreasing seek time (increasing head travel speed) and increasing platter RPM all add up to more heat being generated by the drive motor, the linear head motor and the drive circuitry. In other words, the same mechanics behind any interface causes the same issue. SCSI drives get hot too and for the same reason. But commercial SCSI drive bays are designed with plenty of air circulation and the heat is pulled [SNIP]_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At one point I had access to a hardware qualification lab that had some pretty cool temp tracking probes that could be put in the computer case. The Mac G4 had what I consider to be the best case design ever where you could fold one side down. I theorized that the mainboard and cards would be cooler if the door were open. Surely convection would carry all the heat away. That was a big concern on that particular machine because it had an overclock chip in it that tended to run hot. BZZZT wrong! In fact almost every component (especially the processor) ran hotter when the door was open than when it was closed. Finally I ran it open with a table fan pointed across the components, that did the trick everything cooled right down. As far as I know that system is still in use compressing video files for the web. Its got a drop box the editor puts files to be compressed in, when it sees a file it grabs it, compresses it and spits a finished file out. One of my better low buck projects. -Curt Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:32:00 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have always been told that leaving the side off actually reduces airflow. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, what happened was I had an old cracked version of xp installed, but got a legal corporate copy from my brother who is in the computer business and did the upgrade option to install it so I could use windows update. Before, with the old copy, it would say I did not have a genuine copy. Now it works fine but will not install them once downloaded. will check out your link. Rick Knoble wrote: speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates. AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue about that? If you repaired the copies of Windows XP from the Windows disk, there are DLL's that need to be re-registered. Here is the fix that I used when I had that very same problem on my kids computer. http://windowssecrets.com/2007/09/27/03-Stealth-Windows-update-prevents-XP-repair Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WOW, that fixed my problem. These OT questions are great!! This list is more helpful than just for MB problems. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well, what happened was I had an old cracked version of xp installed, but got a legal corporate copy from my brother who is in the computer business and did the upgrade option to install it so I could use windows update. Before, with the old copy, it would say I did not have a genuine copy. Now it works fine but will not install them once downloaded. will check out your link. Rick Knoble wrote: speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates. AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue about that? If you repaired the copies of Windows XP from the Windows disk, there are DLL's that need to be re-registered. Here is the fix that I used when I had that very same problem on my kids computer. http://windowssecrets.com/2007/09/27/03-Stealth-Windows-update-prevents-XP-repair Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WOW, that fixed my problem. These OT questions are great!! This list is more helpful than just for MB problems. Glad it worked. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:40:08 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had some trouble and had to reformat my XP hard drive again. I've still got the SP2.cab file from the Service Pack 2 I downloaded last weekend. Is there a way I can install sp2 from the cabinet file without running windows update and downloading for seven hours again? If you have the update file on your disk, Windows Update should not download it again. At least that's what happened on my winders system at worked. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My shopping is based on the warranty and quality. Antec cases and power supplies-some have 3 year warranties, lower quality have 1year warranty. AMD-get a processor that is boxed with heat sink and fan, they have a 3 year warranty. ASUS motherboards have 3 year warranties, most other brands have 1, a few have 2 both ATI and NVIDIA video cards have 1 year warranties Kaleb, you'll love this advise, you just need to sit there on your lazy butt and comparison shop. Use Google, Tigerdirect, Newegg, and Zipzoomfly (my personal favorite for price/shipping/customer service), and others you feel comfortable doing business with. Just browse, read reviews, and make your decision that way. My recent upgrade was: Asus M2N-E SLI MoBo (3 yr warranty) Corsair TWIN 2GB memory (lifetime warranty) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core running at 2.0Ghz (3 yr warranty) That cost me about $260 shipped. I already had: 80GB Western Digital SATA hd (5 yr warranty) HP DVD+/-RW (out of warranty) Antec Case/power supply (out of warranty) monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc (out of warranty) I still need to upgrade my video card. I'm watching eBay for a NVIDIA SLI 8500xxx PCI-E card with 512MB ram. Might even add a widescreen LCD to that Luther, all about warranty -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther, You may be touting warranty but you have been doing what I've been advising all along. You have been shopping from at least mid price range - up and you have been buying quality product. And I bet you have not had to take advantage of one of those warranties yet. Shop the bottom end of the hardware market to piece one together or shop the bottom end of the assembled PC market the story is completely different. My real issue is that most of the local integrators are putting together machines from the cheapest parts they can find. Then some of my clients buy them to save money and I have to deal with them later. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again My shopping is based on the warranty and quality. Antec cases and power supplies-some have 3 year warranties, lower quality have 1year warranty. AMD-get a processor that is boxed with heat sink and fan, they have a 3 year warranty. ASUS motherboards have 3 year warranties, most other brands have 1, a few have 2 both ATI and NVIDIA video cards have 1 year warranties Kaleb, you'll love this advise, you just need to sit there on your lazy butt and comparison shop. Use Google, Tigerdirect, Newegg, and Zipzoomfly (my personal favorite for price/shipping/customer service), and others you feel comfortable doing business with. Just browse, read reviews, and make your decision that way. My recent upgrade was: Asus M2N-E SLI MoBo (3 yr warranty) Corsair TWIN 2GB memory (lifetime warranty) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core running at 2.0Ghz (3 yr warranty) That cost me about $260 shipped. I already had: 80GB Western Digital SATA hd (5 yr warranty) HP DVD+/-RW (out of warranty) Antec Case/power supply (out of warranty) monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc (out of warranty) I still need to upgrade my video card. I'm watching eBay for a NVIDIA SLI 8500xxx PCI-E card with 512MB ram. Might even add a widescreen LCD to that Luther, all about warranty -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.13/1246 - Release Date: 1/27/2008 6:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is it a problem using a SATA HD as a slave to a ATA HDs -- trying to understand the difference between the 2 although I have gone to a computer glossary - it won;t tell me what it is/is not compatible with. Presently I'm using a 350 GB SATA as a external data storage drive for my laptop -- works great although it puts out a lot of heat. Any comments? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again I typically recommend Dell to any consumers that ask me about computers. Mainly because it's highly unlikely they will care about upgrading, and Dell's customer support is still waayyy up the charts compared to anyone else. For $1000 you can get a really nice Dell configured the way you want it. As far as major component standardization, like motherboards, if that's a concern for the future, you have no business buying a consumer machine. I would caution the average computer user to stay away from enterprise grade stuff, like older servers. They're large, consume massive amounts of power, and aren't always easily upgradable if, for example, you need an extra hard drive sled for that RAID array. Memory is often weird, as well (the Dell 220/2400 series is a good example of that.) We still have boatloads of Compaq servers running in the school district, and while they are truly workhorses that just churn away day after day with minimal attention, they're no the sort of box I would want next to my desk at home. And Tom - if I had $10 for every Dell 2200/2400 I retired in the last year, I would have a nice load of cash. These used to be our standard for member servers at our sites, but have been getting replaced with HP Prolineant ML150s and blade servers. Blades are slowly taking the place of most of our enterprise level stuff. MacDan -- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All depends on what you are going to use the system for. I always buy Dell mid grade machines loaded with XP Pro for my clients. I know that there is a lot of anti-Dell sentiment our there but of the 100s I have turned on, I've had one DOA and no failures during the first year. At least none that were not operator error! I have had issues with RAM drives later but these can't be blamed on dell. They are using the same plug-in parts as everyone else. As far as servers go, I buy Dell or HP. But these are true servers, not desktop machines running server software. They are a different class of machine, ultra reliable very fast. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I upgraded from Win98 to XP home and there's no comparision - XP was a major leap forward. Stable, faster, easy to upgrade the OS and other stuff in the puter. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again I would agree with Tom. We have nearly 100,000 nodes now, about 90% of which are running XP, and we have almost no problems. We're running an enterprise version of SAV and everything is locked down courtesy of Active Directory and group policies applied both globally and to individual OUs. I am one of the team leaders for the AD rollout, and it has taken us nearly three years to get everything locked down. As we do the final batch over the next month or two I expect any problems to pretty much disappear. Dan --- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have clients running XP with zero problems, but these are behind managed servers with sound security policies in place. Then I have one client with endless issues complaints. They refuse to let me lock down the server the owner lets his local expert solve issues configure machines set up new users to save money. My last visit consumed 2 very long days cost them $1600 in labor alone. If you are having issues with XP, it's not XP, it's somewhere else. Possibly hardware or the domain security policies are not set up properly. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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SATA is a different interface but they support 100% of the ATA command set. And because they use a different interface, you will not be able to plug one into a ATA drive cable. But you can buy a SATA card cable if you are looking for a data drive. Look for a drive that supports the SATA 2 (SATA/300) standard with a 16 MB cache for best performance. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Is it a problem using a SATA HD as a slave to a ATA HDs -- trying to understand the difference between the 2 although I have gone to a computer glossary - it won;t tell me what it is/is not compatible with. Presently I'm using a 350 GB SATA as a external data storage drive for my laptop -- works great although it puts out a lot of heat. Any comments? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again I typically recommend Dell to any consumers that ask me about computers. Mainly because it's highly unlikely they will care about upgrading, and Dell's customer support is still waayyy up the charts compared to anyone else. For $1000 you can get a really nice Dell configured the way you want it. As far as major component standardization, like motherboards, if that's a concern for the future, you have no business buying a consumer machine. I would caution the average computer user to stay away from enterprise grade stuff, like older servers. They're large, consume massive amounts of power, and aren't always easily upgradable if, for example, you need an extra hard drive sled for that RAID array. Memory is often weird, as well (the Dell 220/2400 series is a good example of that.) We still have boatloads of Compaq servers running in the school district, and while they are truly workhorses that just churn away day after day with minimal attention, they're no the sort of box I would want next to my desk at home. And Tom - if I had $10 for every Dell 2200/2400 I retired in the last year, I would have a nice load of cash. These used to be our standard for member servers at our sites, but have been getting replaced with HP Prolineant ML150s and blade servers. Blades are slowly taking the place of most of our enterprise level stuff. MacDan -- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All depends on what you are going to use the system for. I always buy Dell mid grade machines loaded with XP Pro for my clients. I know that there is a lot of anti-Dell sentiment our there but of the 100s I have turned on, I've had one DOA and no failures during the first year. At least none that were not operator error! I have had issues with RAM drives later but these can't be blamed on dell. They are using the same plug-in parts as everyone else. As far as servers go, I buy Dell or HP. But these are true servers, not desktop machines running server software. They are a different class of machine, ultra reliable very fast. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.13/1246 - Release Date: 1/27/2008 6:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I upgraded from Win98 to XP home and there's no comparision - XP was a major leap forward. Stable, faster, easy to upgrade the OS and other stuff in the puter. Good grief yes that would be an improvement. Win98 was still mostly a graphical UI over DOS. When I used 95/98 I had to reboot generally twice a day due to memory leaks or blue screens. With 2000/XP I only reboot after Windows Updates (which seems to be every week, but I know it's not quite that often). Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Larry, SATA is only the interface and the drive mechanics are exactly the same as a standard ATA or SCSI drive. That's not to say that SCSI is not faster. The mechanicals in a SCSI drive are usually faster but these are also more expensive, commercial drives. You will get a performance boost because cache reads will be much faster. Hopefully your new drive also has a 16 MB cache which will also help with performance. Also, you need to look at the drive jumper settings. Some of the SATA/300 drives ship pre-jumpered for the SATA/150 standard. The heat issue from some newer drives comes from the continuous push for performance. Decreasing seek time (increasing head travel speed) and increasing platter RPM all add up to more heat being generated by the drive motor, the linear head motor and the drive circuitry. In other words, the same mechanics behind any interface causes the same issue. SCSI drives get hot too and for the same reason. But commercial SCSI drive bays are designed with plenty of air circulation and the heat is pulled away. This is one reason most servers have the drives mounted out front room air is pulled past the drives on the way through the case. The other reason is to give the ability to hot swap a drive. Problems occur when you install higher performing drives in a desktop because they usually sit behind the front cover where there is poor air circulation. And it does not help that some cases pull their CPU cooling air in from the side cover, making up for all of the air being pulled out of the case by the power supply and completely eliminating any airflow through the front cover. But the solution is really simple. Most if not all good cases come with mounting holes in the front for a fan and you just need to mount a fan there, pointing to the drives. Pull the front cover off your box I suspect that you will find 4 small mounting holes punched in the front sheet metal. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Thx Tom, I presently have 2 HDs in my desktop - last time I opend the sace I saw the Mobo has power/data cables for a SATA drive - which makes adding another HD easier since the mobo supports SATA. I bought a 350gb SATA for a external encl for less than $60 recently - I may do something similar in my desktop. FOrtunately my desktop has lots of cooling fans - 3 IIRC - 4 counting the one on the processor. (2 in the PS, 1 in the back of the cab) so I hope heat will not be a problem. My PS is Smart in that it monitors the temp and changes the speed of the fan when needed. Any downside to a SATA? Does it have slower seek speed, for instance? Thx for the info - appreciate it -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again SATA is a different interface but they support 100% of the ATA command set. And because they use a different interface, you will not be able to plug one into a ATA drive cable. But you can buy a SATA card cable if you are looking for a data drive. Look for a drive that supports the SATA 2 (SATA/300) standard with a 16 MB cache for best performance. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Is it a problem using a SATA HD as a slave to a ATA HDs -- trying to understand the difference between the 2 although I have gone to a computer glossary - it won;t tell me what it is/is not compatible with. Presently I'm using a 350 GB SATA as a external data storage drive for my laptop -- works great although it puts out a lot of heat. Any comments? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again I typically recommend Dell to any consumers that ask me about computers. Mainly because it's highly unlikely they will care about upgrading, and Dell's customer support is still waayyy up the charts compared to anyone else. For $1000 you can get
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Look man I'm no Microsoft appologist but if you've got a server it dammed well better have a server OS. Running XP on a box and calling it a server doesn't make it one. Sheesh, Yugo could have made a luxury car but it'd still have been a yugo. -Curt Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:13:58 -0600 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I helped build a support group a couple years ago and had tons of those people apply for $30k (in New England!) jobs in phone support. None of them were prepared for what we actually expected them to do. I've also found that certified people are 70% posers with no real computer skills. They take some bootcamp and pass a test but don't really know anything, even if they went to a good school. I'd rather have some guy who can cobble together something from nothing and sits around doing that in his spare time. Dammed hard to tell in the interview though who will be really good. Easy to weed out the posers but hard to tell who is really good. In support its even harder to tell who will be steady on the phone and not be eaten alive by the calls. Nearly impossible to predict that one in my experience. -Curt Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:17:16 -0800 (PST) From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 IT jobs are not as prevalent as some would have you believe. It also goes without saying that just because you have an IT background/certs/experience you'll have no problem finding a job. The school I am at has a 4th grade teaching position that just opened up. I happened to empty the fax machine in the front office the other day, and there was a resume for the job in it. The guy had a B.A. in IT from the University of Tampa (good private $chool) and MS and Cisco certifications. He was doing PC repair for some backroom outfit in Tampa. WTH would someone with credentials like this be doing looking for a teaching job that's not guaranteed (anything after January 1st is not under contract) and only pays $37k/year? Dan - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Unfortunately, to many programs these load listeners, etc. at boot - those cause the problems. Any properly designed system wouldn't even notice how many installed but unused programs were there. Ever. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thx Tom, I presently have 2 HDs in my desktop - last time I opend the sace I saw the Mobo has power/data cables for a SATA drive - which makes adding another HD easier since the mobo supports SATA. I bought a 350gb SATA for a external encl for less than $60 recently - I may do something similar in my desktop. FOrtunately my desktop has lots of cooling fans - 3 IIRC - 4 counting the one on the processor. (2 in the PS, 1 in the back of the cab) so I hope heat will not be a problem. My PS is Smart in that it monitors the temp and changes the speed of the fan when needed. Any downside to a SATA? Does it have slower seek speed, for instance? Thx for the info - appreciate it -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again SATA is a different interface but they support 100% of the ATA command set. And because they use a different interface, you will not be able to plug one into a ATA drive cable. But you can buy a SATA card cable if you are looking for a data drive. Look for a drive that supports the SATA 2 (SATA/300) standard with a 16 MB cache for best performance. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Is it a problem using a SATA HD as a slave to a ATA HDs -- trying to understand the difference between the 2 although I have gone to a computer glossary - it won;t tell me what it is/is not compatible with. Presently I'm using a 350 GB SATA as a external data storage drive for my laptop -- works great although it puts out a lot of heat. Any comments? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again I typically recommend Dell to any consumers that ask me about computers. Mainly because it's highly unlikely they will care about upgrading, and Dell's customer support is still waayyy up the charts compared to anyone else. For $1000 you can get a really nice Dell configured the way you want it. As far as major component standardization, like motherboards, if that's a concern for the future, you have no business buying a consumer machine. I would caution the average computer user to stay away from enterprise grade stuff, like older servers. They're large, consume massive amounts of power, and aren't always easily upgradable if, for example, you need an extra hard drive sled for that RAID array. Memory is often weird, as well (the Dell 220/2400 series is a good example of that.) We still have boatloads of Compaq servers running in the school district, and while they are truly workhorses that just churn away day after day with minimal attention, they're no the sort of box I would want next to my desk at home. And Tom - if I had $10 for every Dell 2200/2400 I retired in the last year, I would have a nice load of cash. These used to be our standard for member servers at our sites, but have been getting replaced with HP Prolineant ML150s and blade servers. Blades are slowly taking the place of most of our enterprise level stuff. MacDan -- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All depends on what you are going to use the system for. I always buy Dell mid grade machines loaded with XP Pro for my clients. I know that there is a lot of anti-Dell sentiment our there but of the 100s I have turned on, I've had one DOA and no failures during the first year. At least none that were not operator error! I have had issues with RAM drives later but these can't be blamed on dell. They are using the same plug-in parts as everyone else. As far as servers go, I buy Dell or HP. But these are true servers, not desktop machines running server software. They are a different class of machine, ultra reliable very fast. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor
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Nope, but XP is actually better. It took me a long time to admit to it too... Better USB and Firewire support (native support for Firewire 800), HDV support, some memory leaks fixed from Win2k, better stability, better plug and play support. XP really is superior. Still thats like saying Genital Warts are better than Syphalis. -Curt Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:43:38 -0500 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Do they still release updates for Windows 2000? That was really the pinnacle of Windows, as far as I am concerned. Basically stable, and not too bloated. Allan - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But it's not really buying mid price range. I buy technology that's just behind the curve and that allows me to build a complete box for less than $400 WITH a minimum 3 year warranty (except for the video card). Luther On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:10:53 -0600, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther, You may be touting warranty but you have been doing what I've been advising all along. You have been shopping from at least mid price range - up and you have been buying quality product. And I bet you have not had to take advantage of one of those warranties yet. Shop the bottom end of the hardware market to piece one together or shop the bottom end of the assembled PC market the story is completely different. My real issue is that most of the local integrators are putting together machines from the cheapest parts they can find. Then some of my clients buy them to save money and I have to deal with them later. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again My shopping is based on the warranty and quality. Antec cases and power supplies-some have 3 year warranties, lower quality have 1year warranty. AMD-get a processor that is boxed with heat sink and fan, they have a 3 year warranty. ASUS motherboards have 3 year warranties, most other brands have 1, a few have 2 both ATI and NVIDIA video cards have 1 year warranties Kaleb, you'll love this advise, you just need to sit there on your lazy butt and comparison shop. Use Google, Tigerdirect, Newegg, and Zipzoomfly (my personal favorite for price/shipping/customer service), and others you feel comfortable doing business with. Just browse, read reviews, and make your decision that way. My recent upgrade was: Asus M2N-E SLI MoBo (3 yr warranty) Corsair TWIN 2GB memory (lifetime warranty) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core running at 2.0Ghz (3 yr warranty) That cost me about $260 shipped. I already had: 80GB Western Digital SATA hd (5 yr warranty) HP DVD+/-RW (out of warranty) Antec Case/power supply (out of warranty) monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc (out of warranty) I still need to upgrade my video card. I'm watching eBay for a NVIDIA SLI 8500xxx PCI-E card with 512MB ram. Might even add a widescreen LCD to that Luther, all about warranty -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He stated that his server is also Windows but did not say XP I believe he would have said it was running XP if it were. I gather from his statement that it's probably a Server 2000 or 2003 box. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:57 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Look man I'm no Microsoft appologist but if you've got a server it dammed well better have a server OS. Running XP on a box and calling it a server doesn't make it one. Sheesh, Yugo could have made a luxury car but it'd still have been a yugo. -Curt Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:13:58 -0600 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.13/1246 - Release Date: 1/27/2008 6:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No. I frequently switch mine back and forth in the BIOS. Luther On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:39:37 -0600, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it a problem using a SATA HD as a slave to a ATA HDs -- trying to understand the difference between the 2 although I have gone to a computer glossary - it won;t tell me what it is/is not compatible with. Presently I'm using a 350 GB SATA as a external data storage drive for my laptop -- works great although it puts out a lot of heat. Any comments? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My experience exactly All those who learned it themselves have been better IT guys than those from the schools with certs. On Jan 28, 2008 9:19 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I helped build a support group a couple years ago and had tons of those people apply for $30k (in New England!) jobs in phone support. None of them were prepared for what we actually expected them to do. I've also found that certified people are 70% posers with no real computer skills. They take some bootcamp and pass a test but don't really know anything, even if they went to a good school. I'd rather have some guy who can cobble together something from nothing and sits around doing that in his spare time. Dammed hard to tell in the interview though who will be really good. Easy to weed out the posers but hard to tell who is really good. In support its even harder to tell who will be steady on the phone and not be eaten alive by the calls. Nearly impossible to predict that one in my experience. -Curt -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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my current board is asus, at the time they were the best from what I was told then. Guess they still are? Looked at the antec cases too. As far as processors go, that is confusing to me. They have all different kinds and names of these. Prefer to stick with AMD, I do know that. What is the cheap AMD to stay away from? Luther wrote: My shopping is based on the warranty and quality. Antec cases and power supplies-some have 3 year warranties, lower quality have 1year warranty. AMD-get a processor that is boxed with heat sink and fan, they have a 3 year warranty. ASUS motherboards have 3 year warranties, most other brands have 1, a few have 2 both ATI and NVIDIA video cards have 1 year warranties Kaleb, you'll love this advise, you just need to sit there on your lazy butt and comparison shop. Use Google, Tigerdirect, Newegg, and Zipzoomfly (my personal favorite for price/shipping/customer service), and others you feel comfortable doing business with. Just browse, read reviews, and make your decision that way. My recent upgrade was: Asus M2N-E SLI MoBo (3 yr warranty) Corsair TWIN 2GB memory (lifetime warranty) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core running at 2.0Ghz (3 yr warranty) That cost me about $260 shipped. I already had: 80GB Western Digital SATA hd (5 yr warranty) HP DVD+/-RW (out of warranty) Antec Case/power supply (out of warranty) monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc (out of warranty) I still need to upgrade my video card. I'm watching eBay for a NVIDIA SLI 8500xxx PCI-E card with 512MB ram. Might even add a widescreen LCD to that Luther, all about warranty -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates. AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue about that? Allan Streib wrote: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I upgraded from Win98 to XP home and there's no comparision - XP was a major leap forward. Stable, faster, easy to upgrade the OS and other stuff in the puter. Good grief yes that would be an improvement. Win98 was still mostly a graphical UI over DOS. When I used 95/98 I had to reboot generally twice a day due to memory leaks or blue screens. With 2000/XP I only reboot after Windows Updates (which seems to be every week, but I know it's not quite that often). Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:56:50 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my current board is asus, at the time they were the best from what I was told then. Guess they still are? Looked at the antec cases too. As far as processors go, that is confusing to me. They have all different kinds and names of these. Prefer to stick with AMD, I do know that. What is the cheap AMD to stay away from? Sempron. You probably want AMD - ATHLON 64 X2 - SOCKET AM2, http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewproduct.asp?PID=CPU-A64X2AM2updepts=CPUDNAME=Processors+%2D+CPU The Antec cases are the way to go. They might be more expensive, but you have something you'll be happy with. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had one that did that at work, turned out to be some domain policy that was blocking whatever one of the updates needed to do. But, I'd guess that's not the same issue you have since these are (correct me if I'm wrong) home systems. Allan On Jan 28, 2008, at 9:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates. AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue about that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yes, both at home, quite strange. Allan Streib wrote: I had one that did that at work, turned out to be some domain policy that was blocking whatever one of the updates needed to do. But, I'd guess that's not the same issue you have since these are (correct me if I'm wrong) home systems. Allan On Jan 28, 2008, at 9:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates. AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue about that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb, I am assuming W2K or XP. Try the 'custom button after it 'thinks' for a while you will get a list with the 'critical updates on it (there is also lists for 'optional software and hardware(driver related) ignore these lists for now. again here I am assuming that you are getting hosed on a critical update. Now at this point if this dribble is useful try this: make a list of the critical updates it wants to load, they will have descriptive names maybe with a cryptic number that will start usually with KB(something)the KB numbers are useful. You want to keep a list of them with the 'English descriptions ' One way to do this is to paste a bunch of it into note pad an save it somewhere handy to get to it later, if it is long printing it might help. Now that you have a list check to see which ones are selected, usually this will be all of the critical updates but some times there are updates that need to be installed by them selves. Hit the install selected updates button and watch, this can get boring and tedious. It will first down load the whole list then it will try to install them one at a time. You need to note the first one it tries to install by the KB number, this should be the one that it is chocking on, the one that gives the message update failed. Now more dribble ..after it fails reboot the 'favorite expletive here 'and rerun updates this time un-select the problem update and see if other updates will load. hopefully some will. If this is working then try google searching on micro$haft update KB fails to load and see what you get. updates can alsoe be found on the M$ web site by KB number as stand alone exe files. They can be tricky to find google usually can do a better job of finding them than the search box on the MS web site , but some times not ... Good Luck hope this can help. George Larribeau where abouts secret, just put on my tin foil hat .. oopps I did mean microsoft ... On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 20:58 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates. AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue about that? Allan Streib wrote: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I upgraded from Win98 to XP home and there's no comparision - XP was a major leap forward. Stable, faster, easy to upgrade the OS and other stuff in the puter. Good grief yes that would be an improvement. Win98 was still mostly a graphical UI over DOS. When I used 95/98 I had to reboot generally twice a day due to memory leaks or blue screens. With 2000/XP I only reboot after Windows Updates (which seems to be every week, but I know it's not quite that often). Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's why you'd do the preliminary interview over the phone, gives you an idea of those who have phone skills and can think on their feet. Get a set of questions that they may encounter and see how they do. Hendrik In support its even harder to tell who will be steady on the phone and not be eaten alive by the calls. Nearly impossible to predict that one in my experience. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Antec cases are the way to go. They might be more expensive, but you have something you'll be happy with. Craig Yup. And they have good service. The power supply fan fail in my Sonata.(extra quiet) I called them up to see if it was a special fan I should get from them or just get a generic. The fellow said, What's your address. We'll ship you a new one free. I was willing to pay - but they wouldn't let me. I've worked with a couple more. I see no reason to use anything else. Good case, good service. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Do some browsing on Tigerdirect.com. They should have some barebones systems with good prices and no OS. Its a personal bugaboo for me. Last time I went shopping for a computer (5 years ago or so) I walked into Best Buy, saw what I wanted and asked how much it would cost without the Micro$oft crap on it. They said they couldn't sell it without the software and couldn't give me a discount. So I just bought the parts I wanted and built my first computer. Saved lots of money, too. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Prices being what they are these days, if I were looking to build up another PC, I would probably go to one of the builders and just order something that suited my needs. TigerDirect is certainly an option, but it's been my opinion that the market has become so competitive over the last few years it's not worth it to BYO unless you have some sort of weird configuration or oddball hardware setup you can't live without. Not to mention you get support and a warranty, which has some value. If you don't need anything special, buy a Dell. They have some pretty serious deals on PCs these days, and their support/warranty are good. Dan Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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All depends on what you are going to use the system for. I always buy Dell mid grade machines loaded with XP Pro for my clients. I know that there is a lot of anti-Dell sentiment our there but of the 100s I have turned on, I've had one DOA and no failures during the first year. At least none that were not operator error! I have had issues with RAM drives later but these can't be blamed on dell. They are using the same plug-in parts as everyone else. As far as servers go, I buy Dell or HP. But these are true servers, not desktop machines running server software. They are a different class of machine, ultra reliable very fast. If I were to put together a desktop for myself, I believe I would find a good retired Dell 2400 server with dual 1.0 GHz processors and a full rack of SCSI drives. Why dual 1 GHz SCSI drives? Because processor speed isn't everything! A server and a desktop machine access memory differently. A good server will access the same memory faster then a desktop. Plus, the SCSI drives are usually 10K RPM a 6 drive RAID with 10K RPM drives can be set up to run very, very fast. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:31 PM To: mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] OT, computers again Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 27, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Lee Einer wrote: Its a personal bugaboo for me. Last time I went shopping for a computer (5 years ago or so) I walked into Best Buy, saw what I wanted and asked how much it would cost without the Micro$oft crap on it. Microsoft has deals with the PC manufacturers such that they get a discount on Windows as long as they pre-load it on every machine. They also get paid by the various software companies for all the trial-ware and other crap installed. If you see a particularly good deal at Sam's Club or the like, you can always just buy it and load a Linux distro or PC-BSD or whatever -- however some of those boxes use very low-cost components you may or may not have issues with trying to run something other than Windows. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Servers are noisy and power hogs compared to desktops. Just another thing to consider. Allan On Jan 27, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: All depends on what you are going to use the system for. I always buy Dell mid grade machines loaded with XP Pro for my clients. I know that there is a lot of anti-Dell sentiment our there but of the 100s I have turned on, I've had one DOA and no failures during the first year. At least none that were not operator error! I have had issues with RAM drives later but these can't be blamed on dell. They are using the same plug-in parts as everyone else. As far as servers go, I buy Dell or HP. But these are true servers, not desktop machines running server software. They are a different class of machine, ultra reliable very fast. If I were to put together a desktop for myself, I believe I would find a good retired Dell 2400 server with dual 1.0 GHz processors and a full rack of SCSI drives. Why dual 1 GHz SCSI drives? Because processor speed isn't everything! A server and a desktop machine access memory differently. A good server will access the same memory faster then a desktop. Plus, the SCSI drives are usually 10K RPM a 6 drive RAID with 10K RPM drives can be set up to run very, very fast. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:31 PM To: mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] OT, computers again Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can count on Dell to use non-standard motherboards, power supplies, and cases. I have stopped using then for rackmount systems too. They are good for a cheap desktop in an office. One customer bought a couple rackmount Dells that are supposed to take 8 hard drives. The drive caddies were not included and Dell wanted over $100 each just for the caddies - unless you bought them from Dell with a hard dive and paid over $150 for a 250Gig drive. The street price is ~ $50 for that drive. Dell is a bit behind the curve. Kmart had a deal with Lindows a while back for low-end systems. I think they call it Linspire or something else now. -Dave Walton On Jan 27, 2008 1:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, Dell uses non-standard motherboards. But when's the last time you swapped out a motherboard for a client? I have not swapped one out in 4 years. The same goes for a home based system. By the time 2 years have passed, everything has advanced so far that it's really time to replace everything. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 1:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again You can count on Dell to use non-standard motherboards, power supplies, and cases. I have stopped using then for rackmount systems too. They are good for a cheap desktop in an office. One customer bought a couple rackmount Dells that are supposed to take 8 hard drives. The drive caddies were not included and Dell wanted over $100 each just for the caddies - unless you bought them from Dell with a hard dive and paid over $150 for a 250Gig drive. The street price is ~ $50 for that drive. Dell is a bit behind the curve. Kmart had a deal with Lindows a while back for low-end systems. I think they call it Linspire or something else now. -Dave Walton On Jan 27, 2008 1:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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All low end computers have low cost components design compromises to reduce cost, regardless of the manufacturer and many have trouble running anything at all. This statement applies just as much to Dell HP as it does to any other brand is why I won't touch anything less than a manufacturer's mid-priced computer. The same goes for a computer built up from all cheap components. Base a home computer on a $39.00 motherboard you've crippled any chance for real performance. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 1:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again On Jan 27, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Lee Einer wrote: Its a personal bugaboo for me. Last time I went shopping for a computer (5 years ago or so) I walked into Best Buy, saw what I wanted and asked how much it would cost without the Micro$oft crap on it. Microsoft has deals with the PC manufacturers such that they get a discount on Windows as long as they pre-load it on every machine. They also get paid by the various software companies for all the trial-ware and other crap installed. If you see a particularly good deal at Sam's Club or the like, you can always just buy it and load a Linux distro or PC-BSD or whatever -- however some of those boxes use very low-cost components you may or may not have issues with trying to run something other than Windows. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 27, 2008 1:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Intel Core Duo is a good CPU. Used to be a big AMD follower, and have had several VIA chips, but I have gravitated back to Intel. Their newest is a Quad Core that they were calling the V8 as a pre-production name. Not sure what it's Marketing name will be. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? No, unless you are going to buy an Apple and then put Windows on it (cause I know we can't talk you into OS X) Then for the same monies custom vs. piecemeal, custom almost always wins out because you can decide exactly what's inside. Piecemeal is going to be cutting corners and not telling you that certain parts aren't exactly up to snuff. Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. No, no, no. The piecemeals think that the only way they can pull customers toward their off the shelf, second hand, yesterday parts is to put the most extraneous software on to begin with and then make sure you are aware of this fact by putting icons for all of it everywhere. On the desktop, in the start menu, adding their own menus with more places to put the icons in case the desktop is covered and you've set the start menu to auto hide so you can *still* see all the crap that they have installed *for you* Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? This is another important factor that you have already pointed out yourself. The piecemeals attempt to design what little they do have control over to keep you from being able to upgrade as much as possible. Next year decide you wanted a new motherboard, better find one that has the exact same back plane lay out because we've welded ours to one plate. They also use underpowered power supplies. You may buy a tower that has 15 open drive bays from HP or Dell or whatever, but I guarantee you, unless it's labeled (and paid for as) a Professional Workstation the power supply is going to be just barely adequate at giving juice to what comes in factory. Put anything else in any of those other bays and your system starts having minor brown outs. Again, custom you know what you've put in. You know the parts are up to the quality you are wanting (within reason). Know, also, when you've reached the limit of said part. Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? Stay as far away from Vista as humanly possible. Stick to XP. Microsoft has marketed hard, and want you to use Vista, but it's a dog. Eats RAM like a Ford F-650 hauling a CAT backhoe drinks gas, and Microsoft is rumored to already be working to get the next Windows out as early as mid next year. When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that? Sure, if you buy the top of everything. The 16 processor Workstation with 16 GB RAM, 4 GB Video Card and the 30,000 RPM hard drives, then you'll probably be wowed and sing it's praises for the rest of your life. However, if you're buying plebian gear and going to be making do with a single lowly Core Duo 2 processor and 1 GB of RAM, etc, then you will throw things at your monitor whenever you're waiting for it to answer you. Which will be often. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com Just my own opinion of course after all my *newest* computer is a 1 Ghz G4 eMac. My newest Intel computer is a PIII desktop. [Though I did buy an Acer Celeron laptop with Vista the first of last year for my wife. She had me wipe the drive and put XP on it within the first two months. However, technically it's *her* computer oh, and she uses the eMac most of all so you do all the math. :) ] Ed -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:30:52 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. http://www.mwave.com (800) 234-3358 They will assist you with your choices, as well as assemble and test a system for $79.00. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'll second Lee's suggestions of a BareBones system. I've bought my desktops like that for the past 10 years or so. You specify what you want and they build it - as well as having numerous pre-built puters, When you get the new puter and get it up and running, I suggest you take the old HD put of its computer and buy a external HD case which you can connect to your new puter using a USB cable. It treats it just like an internal drive but it will be slower. If you;re feeling capable you can install the old HD in the new cabinet as a slave - communications between the 2 (new old HDs) will be very fast. re Tigerdirect - they have always provided excellent customer assistance - If there are ever programs you don't want just ask and we;'ll tell you how to remove them --- Good luck - you;re about to save a lot of money -- too bad you;re not thrifty (cheap like the rest of us) or you;d really get a bang out of this. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Do some browsing on Tigerdirect.com. They should have some barebones systems with good prices and no OS. Its a personal bugaboo for me. Last time I went shopping for a computer (5 years ago or so) I walked into Best Buy, saw what I wanted and asked how much it would cost without the Micro$oft crap on it. They said they couldn't sell it without the software and couldn't give me a discount. So I just bought the parts I wanted and built my first computer. Saved lots of money, too. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I bought a cheapish HP desktop a few years ago and it has been very reliable, no failure yet and it runs all day. I have upgraded a few components to get a bit more speed. However the down side is that it is not a standard size and has a small motherboard and only PCI slots. My next computer will most likely be custom build, as I have a decent 22 monitor. The one I had before the HP was a cheap store built unit and it blew up within the warranty period and only lasted a couple of years after that before something else went out. Didn't bother to get it fixed. Now that I am learning to use Linux I have more options and am not enslaved to the evil empire. Hendrik Tom Hargrave wrote: All low end computers have low cost components design compromises to reduce cost, regardless of the manufacturer and many have trouble running anything at all. This statement applies just as much to Dell HP as it does to any other brand is why I won't touch anything less than a manufacturer's mid-priced computer. The same goes for a computer built up from all cheap components. Base a home computer on a $39.00 motherboard you've crippled any chance for real performance. Thanks, Tom Hargrave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh the only prebuilt system I wouldn't get is a Sony. Run away screaming from any Sony machine. In all my time in tech support the only brand we consistantly had problems with was Sony. They sold customers all kinds of crap that was broken or broke immediately or just never lived up to promises. -Curt - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ahem, if you take a look through the archives I'm pretty sure you'll find me saying to go to Best Buy and pick out the best you can afford because it was cheaper... You'll get Vista unless you buy a workstation class machine. Depending on what you want to spend a low-end workstation can be a good deal, check out something like an HP XW4400 which I'm reasonably sure you can order with XP. If you go the BestBuy route just order a real copy of XP from eBay. Or got the Linux route and just pump up the RAM in the machine you have. I'm thinking to buy an older generation workstation machine like an XW8000 for about $350, stuff in 3GB of RAM and sit with it for the next 2-3 years. Unless you're a gamer that'd be plenty That machine has tons of internal drive bays (5 3 1/2, 3 5 1/4). -Curt Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:30:52 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT, computers again To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I typically recommend Dell to any consumers that ask me about computers. Mainly because it's highly unlikely they will care about upgrading, and Dell's customer support is still waayyy up the charts compared to anyone else. For $1000 you can get a really nice Dell configured the way you want it. As far as major component standardization, like motherboards, if that's a concern for the future, you have no business buying a consumer machine. I would caution the average computer user to stay away from enterprise grade stuff, like older servers. They're large, consume massive amounts of power, and aren't always easily upgradable if, for example, you need an extra hard drive sled for that RAID array. Memory is often weird, as well (the Dell 220/2400 series is a good example of that.) We still have boatloads of Compaq servers running in the school district, and while they are truly workhorses that just churn away day after day with minimal attention, they're no the sort of box I would want next to my desk at home. And Tom - if I had $10 for every Dell 2200/2400 I retired in the last year, I would have a nice load of cash. These used to be our standard for member servers at our sites, but have been getting replaced with HP Prolineant ML150s and blade servers. Blades are slowly taking the place of most of our enterprise level stuff. MacDan -- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All depends on what you are going to use the system for. I always buy Dell mid grade machines loaded with XP Pro for my clients. I know that there is a lot of anti-Dell sentiment our there but of the 100s I have turned on, I've had one DOA and no failures during the first year. At least none that were not operator error! I have had issues with RAM drives later but these can't be blamed on dell. They are using the same plug-in parts as everyone else. As far as servers go, I buy Dell or HP. But these are true servers, not desktop machines running server software. They are a different class of machine, ultra reliable very fast. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Anybody know anything about those eMachines? Junk or what? dave walton wrote: You can count on Dell to use non-standard motherboards, power supplies, and cases. I have stopped using then for rackmount systems too. They are good for a cheap desktop in an office. One customer bought a couple rackmount Dells that are supposed to take 8 hard drives. The drive caddies were not included and Dell wanted over $100 each just for the caddies - unless you bought them from Dell with a hard dive and paid over $150 for a 250Gig drive. The street price is ~ $50 for that drive. Dell is a bit behind the curve. Kmart had a deal with Lindows a while back for low-end systems. I think they call it Linspire or something else now. -Dave Walton On Jan 27, 2008 1:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thats were I was checking earlier today. If I do go that route, will probably try them out. Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:30:52 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. http://www.mwave.com (800) 234-3358 They will assist you with your choices, as well as assemble and test a system for $79.00. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh I dont need to buy XP, I already got that, uh, covered. Curt Raymond wrote: Ahem, if you take a look through the archives I'm pretty sure you'll find me saying to go to Best Buy and pick out the best you can afford because it was cheaper... You'll get Vista unless you buy a workstation class machine. Depending on what you want to spend a low-end workstation can be a good deal, check out something like an HP XW4400 which I'm reasonably sure you can order with XP. If you go the BestBuy route just order a real copy of XP from eBay. Or got the Linux route and just pump up the RAM in the machine you have. I'm thinking to buy an older generation workstation machine like an XW8000 for about $350, stuff in 3GB of RAM and sit with it for the next 2-3 years. Unless you're a gamer that'd be plenty That machine has tons of internal drive bays (5 3 1/2, 3 5 1/4). -Curt Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:30:52 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT, computers again To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OMG. If there every was a blueprint for inconsistency in components, eMachines would be the gold standard. eMachines were the impetus for me to stop doing work on the side. About 2-3 years ago these started to propagate all over the damned place, and every one made me crazy. It was when I had two on the bench one time that I realized they were the same model and built in the same week of production. If you took the covers off the insides were totally different between the two. Not a single board/component was the same between the two except for case and power supply. MB, video, all the expansion boards, even the hard drives were from different vendors. Avoid them at all cost. They are the bottom dwellers of consumer machines. Dan --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know anything about those eMachines? Junk or what? Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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got ya, just wondered since I always see them cheap. LWB250 wrote: OMG. If there every was a blueprint for inconsistency in components, eMachines would be the gold standard. eMachines were the impetus for me to stop doing work on the side. About 2-3 years ago these started to propagate all over the damned place, and every one made me crazy. It was when I had two on the bench one time that I realized they were the same model and built in the same week of production. If you took the covers off the insides were totally different between the two. Not a single board/component was the same between the two except for case and power supply. MB, video, all the expansion boards, even the hard drives were from different vendors. Avoid them at all cost. They are the bottom dwellers of consumer machines. Dan --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know anything about those eMachines? Junk or what? Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At one time eMachines were all junk but back then they entered the market as low priced machines. Their cheap machines are still junk like everyone else's but their mid-priced machines are good. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Anybody know anything about those eMachines? Junk or what? dave walton wrote: You can count on Dell to use non-standard motherboards, power supplies, and cases. I have stopped using then for rackmount systems too. They are good for a cheap desktop in an office. One customer bought a couple rackmount Dells that are supposed to take 8 hard drives. The drive caddies were not included and Dell wanted over $100 each just for the caddies - unless you bought them from Dell with a hard dive and paid over $150 for a 250Gig drive. The street price is ~ $50 for that drive. Dell is a bit behind the curve. Kmart had a deal with Lindows a while back for low-end systems. I think they call it Linspire or something else now. -Dave Walton On Jan 27, 2008 1:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Few clients need or want to pay for that level of customization. I do it on my own computers all the time. Last time was a couple weeks ago when I upgraded one of my Media Center PC's to HD. The power supply requirements and pinouts have been stable for a couple years now. I do expect some shakeup if and when the FBDIMM riser cards come into fashion. I doubt that the current ones will handle dual processor multi-core CPU's and 64+ memory modules. But you won't see many of those as home PC's. -Dave Walton On Jan 27, 2008 3:05 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Dell uses non-standard motherboards. But when's the last time you swapped out a motherboard for a client? I have not swapped one out in 4 years. The same goes for a home based system. By the time 2 years have passed, everything has advanced so far that it's really time to replace everything. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 1:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again You can count on Dell to use non-standard motherboards, power supplies, and cases. I have stopped using then for rackmount systems too. They are good for a cheap desktop in an office. One customer bought a couple rackmount Dells that are supposed to take 8 hard drives. The drive caddies were not included and Dell wanted over $100 each just for the caddies - unless you bought them from Dell with a hard dive and paid over $150 for a 250Gig drive. The street price is ~ $50 for that drive. Dell is a bit behind the curve. Kmart had a deal with Lindows a while back for low-end systems. I think they call it Linspire or something else now. -Dave Walton On Jan 27, 2008 1:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HP servers are nice machines, so are their high end work stations. I'm setting a HP server now for a 32 store Dominos franchise. What happened to the Dell servers you retired? There is a market for older servers. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again I typically recommend Dell to any consumers that ask me about computers. Mainly because it's highly unlikely they will care about upgrading, and Dell's customer support is still waayyy up the charts compared to anyone else. For $1000 you can get a really nice Dell configured the way you want it. As far as major component standardization, like motherboards, if that's a concern for the future, you have no business buying a consumer machine. I would caution the average computer user to stay away from enterprise grade stuff, like older servers. They're large, consume massive amounts of power, and aren't always easily upgradable if, for example, you need an extra hard drive sled for that RAID array. Memory is often weird, as well (the Dell 220/2400 series is a good example of that.) We still have boatloads of Compaq servers running in the school district, and while they are truly workhorses that just churn away day after day with minimal attention, they're no the sort of box I would want next to my desk at home. And Tom - if I had $10 for every Dell 2200/2400 I retired in the last year, I would have a nice load of cash. These used to be our standard for member servers at our sites, but have been getting replaced with HP Prolineant ML150s and blade servers. Blades are slowly taking the place of most of our enterprise level stuff. MacDan -- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All depends on what you are going to use the system for. I always buy Dell mid grade machines loaded with XP Pro for my clients. I know that there is a lot of anti-Dell sentiment our there but of the 100s I have turned on, I've had one DOA and no failures during the first year. At least none that were not operator error! I have had issues with RAM drives later but these can't be blamed on dell. They are using the same plug-in parts as everyone else. As far as servers go, I buy Dell or HP. But these are true servers, not desktop machines running server software. They are a different class of machine, ultra reliable very fast. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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RUN AWAY. Slightly below Yugo in quality. I've worked on a few -- strictly to-the-landfill stuff. On Jan 27, 2008 7:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know anything about those eMachines? Junk or what? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that? Windows ME, followed by Window 2000 Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Followed by XP, followed by Vista ... preceded by the Linux exodus. On Jan 27, 2008 7:38 PM, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that? Windows ME, followed by Window 2000 Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Do they still release updates for Windows 2000? That was really the pinnacle of Windows, as far as I am concerned. Basically stable, and not too bloated. Allan On Jan 27, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that? Windows ME, followed by Window 2000 Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Vista is destined to be the next ME. Microsoft will issue Windows 7 seen. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Followed by XP, followed by Vista ... preceded by the Linux exodus. On Jan 27, 2008 7:38 PM, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that? Windows ME, followed by Window 2000 Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes. Microsoft has committed to supporting Windows 2000 until 2010. Until then, critical and security updates will be distributed for free. Any support issues require use or purchase of a Support Incident. Microsoft has not committed to making any future versions of IE or Media Player backwards compatible with 2000. They stopped support of IE with version 6.0, but if you want Tabs - Firefox works fine. Not sure about Media Player. -Dave Walton On Jan 27, 2008 8:43 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do they still release updates for Windows 2000? That was really the pinnacle of Windows, as far as I am concerned. Basically stable, and not too bloated. Allan On Jan 27, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that? Windows ME, followed by Window 2000 Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. This was not the case with the first version of XP. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Do they still release updates for Windows 2000? That was really the pinnacle of Windows, as far as I am concerned. Basically stable, and not too bloated. Allan On Jan 27, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that? Windows ME, followed by Window 2000 Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can still download the older version of Media Player for Win 2000 directly from Microsoft but no new updates are available. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Yes. Microsoft has committed to supporting Windows 2000 until 2010. Until then, critical and security updates will be distributed for free. Any support issues require use or purchase of a Support Incident. Microsoft has not committed to making any future versions of IE or Media Player backwards compatible with 2000. They stopped support of IE with version 6.0, but if you want Tabs - Firefox works fine. Not sure about Media Player. -Dave Walton On Jan 27, 2008 8:43 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do they still release updates for Windows 2000? That was really the pinnacle of Windows, as far as I am concerned. Basically stable, and not too bloated. Allan On Jan 27, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that? Windows ME, followed by Window 2000 Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We have been very pleased with the HP servers, although we have seen what appears to be an inordinately high hard drive fail rate in some. Not that it is HP's fault, but... our domain controllers seem to have their drives cack in pairs, when they do fail, which is weird. Still trying to document the failures to determine if there is some sort of common thread. The Dells were retired and no doubt got loaded on a pallet en masse and sold n one of our monthly auctions. They would have been stripped of the drives, but everything else would probably remain intact, since it wouldn't have much value to our bench guys for repairs. Dan --- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HP servers are nice machines, so are their high end work stations. I'm setting a HP server now for a 32 store Dominos franchise. What happened to the Dell servers you retired? There is a market for older servers. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have clients running XP with zero problems, but these are behind managed servers with sound security policies in place. Then I have one client with endless issues complaints. They refuse to let me lock down the server the owner lets his local expert solve issues configure machines set up new users to save money. My last visit consumed 2 very long days cost them $1600 in labor alone. If you are having issues with XP, it's not XP, it's somewhere else. Possibly hardware or the domain security policies are not set up properly. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would agree with Tom. We have nearly 100,000 nodes now, about 90% of which are running XP, and we have almost no problems. We're running an enterprise version of SAV and everything is locked down courtesy of Active Directory and group policies applied both globally and to individual OUs. I am one of the team leaders for the AD rollout, and it has taken us nearly three years to get everything locked down. As we do the final batch over the next month or two I expect any problems to pretty much disappear. Dan --- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have clients running XP with zero problems, but these are behind managed servers with sound security policies in place. Then I have one client with endless issues complaints. They refuse to let me lock down the server the owner lets his local expert solve issues configure machines set up new users to save money. My last visit consumed 2 very long days cost them $1600 in labor alone. If you are having issues with XP, it's not XP, it's somewhere else. Possibly hardware or the domain security policies are not set up properly. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
yea, 2000 was a good os, I have a copy of it around here somewhere. Allan Streib wrote: Do they still release updates for Windows 2000? That was really the pinnacle of Windows, as far as I am concerned. Basically stable, and not too bloated. Allan On Jan 27, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that? Windows ME, followed by Window 2000 Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The issue is the idiot ... er, the individual ... who does our server. Contracted out. I could fix but won't at my current salary structure. Here is how bad it is -- everyone has shut down before leaving work, knowing that if they don't they will have been logged out the server overnight and will have to reboot anyway next morning. For what they pay me, I don't fix it. On Jan 27, 2008 8:25 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have clients running XP with zero problems, but these are behind managed servers with sound security policies in place. Then I have one client with endless issues complaints. They refuse to let me lock down the server the owner lets his local expert solve issues configure machines set up new users to save money. My last visit consumed 2 very long days cost them $1600 in labor alone. If you are having issues with XP, it's not XP, it's somewhere else. Possibly hardware or the domain security policies are not set up properly. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The last time I Looked at Redhat Linux, their software was not free. Their licensing model requires an annual subscription that can easily cost more than Windows in the long run. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
Why said anything about RedHat? I could set up a no-cost Debian (PCLinuxOS at user level) network over the weekend -- with CrossoverOffice to support must-have Windows apps -- for $0, other than a license for CrossoverOffice (shareware). On Jan 27, 2008 8:32 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last time I Looked at Redhat Linux, their software was not free. Their licensing model requires an annual subscription that can easily cost more than Windows in the long run. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
Not trying to start a war, but for business use where real production stability and uptime are important, I'd lean towards one of the BSDs as opposed to Linux. As far as RedHat goes, yes if you want their Enterprise Linux with support, you have to pay. If you don't, you can use the same distribution by grabbing CentOS. At least, that's the conclusion I came to the last time I bothered to look. Allan On Jan 27, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: The last time I Looked at Redhat Linux, their software was not free. Their licensing model requires an annual subscription that can easily cost more than Windows in the long run. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
Expose the idiot. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again The issue is the idiot ... er, the individual ... who does our server. Contracted out. I could fix but won't at my current salary structure. Here is how bad it is -- everyone has shut down before leaving work, knowing that if they don't they will have been logged out the server overnight and will have to reboot anyway next morning. For what they pay me, I don't fix it. On Jan 27, 2008 8:25 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have clients running XP with zero problems, but these are behind managed servers with sound security policies in place. Then I have one client with endless issues complaints. They refuse to let me lock down the server the owner lets his local expert solve issues configure machines set up new users to save money. My last visit consumed 2 very long days cost them $1600 in labor alone. If you are having issues with XP, it's not XP, it's somewhere else. Possibly hardware or the domain security policies are not set up properly. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
Hell no. The movr he screws things up, the more valuable I would be when they create the position and the better my bargaining power with the Board of Directors when job is offered. In the meanwhile, I just sort of fix things (quickly an easily) one layer up in management (Directors) -- quietly building my resume for when it comes to talking salary. He is an idiot. I am a known quantity with an eight year record of dedicated service in the corporation -- and not too many organizational layers already down from the Board. On Jan 27, 2008 8:45 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Expose the idiot. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again The issue is the idiot ... er, the individual ... who does our server. Contracted out. I could fix but won't at my current salary structure. Here is how bad it is -- everyone has shut down before leaving work, knowing that if they don't they will have been logged out the server overnight and will have to reboot anyway next morning. For what they pay me, I don't fix it. On Jan 27, 2008 8:25 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have clients running XP with zero problems, but these are behind managed servers with sound security policies in place. Then I have one client with endless issues complaints. They refuse to let me lock down the server the owner lets his local expert solve issues configure machines set up new users to save money. My last visit consumed 2 very long days cost them $1600 in labor alone. If you are having issues with XP, it's not XP, it's somewhere else. Possibly hardware or the domain security policies are not set up properly. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
You might be unpleasantly surprised when the do fill the position - you may be too close for serious consideration. I see it happen all the time. If things fall this way, let me know. I can probably help you build an independent business on the side - one that will let you walk away from your current employer 2 years after you start. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Hell no. The movr he screws things up, the more valuable I would be when they create the position and the better my bargaining power with the Board of Directors when job is offered. In the meanwhile, I just sort of fix things (quickly an easily) one layer up in management (Directors) -- quietly building my resume for when it comes to talking salary. He is an idiot. I am a known quantity with an eight year record of dedicated service in the corporation -- and not too many organizational layers already down from the Board. On Jan 27, 2008 8:45 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Expose the idiot. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again The issue is the idiot ... er, the individual ... who does our server. Contracted out. I could fix but won't at my current salary structure. Here is how bad it is -- everyone has shut down before leaving work, knowing that if they don't they will have been logged out the server overnight and will have to reboot anyway next morning. For what they pay me, I don't fix it. On Jan 27, 2008 8:25 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have clients running XP with zero problems, but these are behind managed servers with sound security policies in place. Then I have one client with endless issues complaints. They refuse to let me lock down the server the owner lets his local expert solve issues configure machines set up new users to save money. My last visit consumed 2 very long days cost them $1600 in labor alone. If you are having issues with XP, it's not XP, it's somewhere else. Possibly hardware or the domain security policies are not set up properly. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
It is pretty much ASSUMED by the CEO that I will fill the position once it is open. The thing is, I don't know that I want it. I did IT in the Coast Guard and then, after retirement, IT for Barnett Bank in Florida for the next two years. I really is a well paying but thankless -- can't do anything right for those who are ignorant of what IT involves -- job. Everyone assumes that the IT guy has a magic wand and can fix stuff on demand. As you know yourself, it isn't quite like that. We will have an Organizational QA position being created about the same time frame as the IT position that I think is in line with my area of interest. Pay should be better, too, and I also did that in USCG. On Jan 27, 2008 9:04 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might be unpleasantly surprised when the do fill the position - you may be too close for serious consideration. I see it happen all the time. If things fall this way, let me know. I can probably help you build an independent business on the side - one that will let you walk away from your current employer 2 years after you start. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Hell no. The movr he screws things up, the more valuable I would be when they create the position and the better my bargaining power with the Board of Directors when job is offered. In the meanwhile, I just sort of fix things (quickly an easily) one layer up in management (Directors) -- quietly building my resume for when it comes to talking salary. He is an idiot. I am a known quantity with an eight year record of dedicated service in the corporation -- and not too many organizational layers already down from the Board. On Jan 27, 2008 8:45 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Expose the idiot. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again The issue is the idiot ... er, the individual ... who does our server. Contracted out. I could fix but won't at my current salary structure. Here is how bad it is -- everyone has shut down before leaving work, knowing that if they don't they will have been logged out the server overnight and will have to reboot anyway next morning. For what they pay me, I don't fix it. On Jan 27, 2008 8:25 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have clients running XP with zero problems, but these are behind managed servers with sound security policies in place. Then I have one client with endless issues complaints. They refuse to let me lock down the server the owner lets his local expert solve issues configure machines set up new users to save money. My last visit consumed 2 very long days cost them $1600 in labor alone. If you are having issues with XP, it's not XP, it's somewhere else. Possibly hardware or the domain security policies are not set up properly. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux-everywhere corporation. The CEO sort of likes the FREE part of it. (I talk to him on a daily basis about this sort of thing.) On Jan 27, 2008 7:58 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have clients running Win 2000 but XP Pro is much more stable, secure faster. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
Nothing is guaranteed it takes more than certifications to be a well paid IT manager. You need to have the skill to manage your clients to do in a politically correct manner. Problem is, most technical people have the personality of a rock they can't effectively manage clients, so they work on computers in a back room somewhere or they work for an IT firm that has people with communication skills manage the client base. If you are lucky enough to have the technical knowledge to manage network installs you also have people skills you also understand cash flow can negotiate then you can do quite well in the IT field as an independent consultant. But it's a lot of ifs Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again IT jobs are not as prevalent as some would have you believe. It also goes without saying that just because you have an IT background/certs/experience you'll have no problem finding a job. The school I am at has a 4th grade teaching position that just opened up. I happened to empty the fax machine in the front office the other day, and there was a resume for the job in it. The guy had a B.A. in IT from the University of Tampa (good private $chool) and MS and Cisco certifications. He was doing PC repair for some backroom outfit in Tampa. WTH would someone with credentials like this be doing looking for a teaching job that's not guaranteed (anything after January 1st is not under contract) and only pays $37k/year? Dan --- Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is pretty much ASSUMED by the CEO that I will fill the position once it is open. The thing is, I don't know that I want it. I did IT in the Coast Guard and then, after retirement, IT for Barnett Bank in Florida for the next two years. I really is a well paying but thankless -- can't do anything right for those who are ignorant of what IT involves -- job. Everyone assumes that the IT guy has a magic wand and can fix stuff on demand. As you know yourself, it isn't quite like that. We will have an Organizational QA position being created about the same time frame as the IT position that I think is in line with my area of interest. Pay should be better, too, and I also did that in USCG. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
IT jobs are not as prevalent as some would have you believe. It also goes without saying that just because you have an IT background/certs/experience you'll have no problem finding a job. The school I am at has a 4th grade teaching position that just opened up. I happened to empty the fax machine in the front office the other day, and there was a resume for the job in it. The guy had a B.A. in IT from the University of Tampa (good private $chool) and MS and Cisco certifications. He was doing PC repair for some backroom outfit in Tampa. WTH would someone with credentials like this be doing looking for a teaching job that's not guaranteed (anything after January 1st is not under contract) and only pays $37k/year? Dan --- Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is pretty much ASSUMED by the CEO that I will fill the position once it is open. The thing is, I don't know that I want it. I did IT in the Coast Guard and then, after retirement, IT for Barnett Bank in Florida for the next two years. I really is a well paying but thankless -- can't do anything right for those who are ignorant of what IT involves -- job. Everyone assumes that the IT guy has a magic wand and can fix stuff on demand. As you know yourself, it isn't quite like that. We will have an Organizational QA position being created about the same time frame as the IT position that I think is in line with my area of interest. Pay should be better, too, and I also did that in USCG. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know they're 10k SATA drives, but not sure of the brand at this point. The machines are all still under warranty, so at this point I'm just collecting data about the machines relative to the failures. I'll have to pull one tomorrow to see what they are... Dan --- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What drives are you running? I know that some of the 10K RPM SATA drives are suffering heat related failures but the cause is likely the enclosures, not the drives. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
It's really not bad once you get everything in shape. There was a time - during the NT days, when IT people worked constantly. Things were always failing. Both hardware reliability software stability really improved during the Windows 2000 era and its only gotten better since. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again It is pretty much ASSUMED by the CEO that I will fill the position once it is open. The thing is, I don't know that I want it. I did IT in the Coast Guard and then, after retirement, IT for Barnett Bank in Florida for the next two years. I really is a well paying but thankless -- can't do anything right for those who are ignorant of what IT involves -- job. Everyone assumes that the IT guy has a magic wand and can fix stuff on demand. As you know yourself, it isn't quite like that. We will have an Organizational QA position being created about the same time frame as the IT position that I think is in line with my area of interest. Pay should be better, too, and I also did that in USCG. On Jan 27, 2008 9:04 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might be unpleasantly surprised when the do fill the position - you may be too close for serious consideration. I see it happen all the time. If things fall this way, let me know. I can probably help you build an independent business on the side - one that will let you walk away from your current employer 2 years after you start. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Hell no. The movr he screws things up, the more valuable I would be when they create the position and the better my bargaining power with the Board of Directors when job is offered. In the meanwhile, I just sort of fix things (quickly an easily) one layer up in management (Directors) -- quietly building my resume for when it comes to talking salary. He is an idiot. I am a known quantity with an eight year record of dedicated service in the corporation -- and not too many organizational layers already down from the Board. On Jan 27, 2008 8:45 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Expose the idiot. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again The issue is the idiot ... er, the individual ... who does our server. Contracted out. I could fix but won't at my current salary structure. Here is how bad it is -- everyone has shut down before leaving work, knowing that if they don't they will have been logged out the server overnight and will have to reboot anyway next morning. For what they pay me, I don't fix it. On Jan 27, 2008 8:25 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have clients running XP with zero problems, but these are behind managed servers with sound security policies in place. Then I have one client with endless issues complaints. They refuse to let me lock down the server the owner lets his local expert solve issues configure machines set up new users to save money. My last visit consumed 2 very long days cost them $1600 in labor alone. If you are having issues with XP, it's not XP, it's somewhere else. Possibly hardware or the domain security policies are not set up properly. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought. Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer and for the computers of my two peers. Everyone else can sort of chill and hope for the best. They are going to make an IT position next summer -- and I want nothing to do with it unless it means a $10K/$15K salary increase. Not my job, man! In fairness to XP, the issue might be our server (maintenance contracted out) that is also Windows. I've already told them that if they offer me the job, WinDoze is going away and we will have a Linux
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On Jan 27, 2008 10:27 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing is guaranteed it takes more than certifications to be a well paid IT manager. You need to have the skill to manage your clients to do in a politically correct manner. Problem is, most technical people have the personality of a rock they can't effectively manage clients, so they work on computers in a back room somewhere or they work for an IT firm that has people with communication skills manage the client base. I take quite a bit of personal affront to this previous statement. I contend that I most certainly do not have the personality of a rock. I am more like a enraged dragon defending his treasure thank you very much. A rock! The nerve! Ed -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 27, 2008 10:33 PM, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun will happily ship you an Intel Core Duo 2 system with 512 MB (okay, not great, but this *is* the base system) NVidia graphics, 250 GB hard drive, DVD and the standard ethernet, USB, audio, etc all for $995. Great basic workstation. Sun offers awesome support. Oh, and this is the best part: Oh, and if you prefer an AMD processor to run Windows on, you can get pretty much the same config with an AMD for $100 less Ed -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 27, 2008 8:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know anything about those eMachines? Junk or what? Look, I got to jump back in here. You guys know Mercedes, I know computers. If you are hell bent on buying a pre-manufactured Brand Name computer you need to truly inspect the *top two* choices. Because even though they are given a ration of crap, they are very competitive on most things. My first choice is always an Apple. They can run windows now, and Apple *still* dictates what goes into their boxes. They don't just pull random parts off the suppliers shelf and try to force them to work together. Even PC World magazine and the New York Times says that a Mac runs Vista better than it's counterparts (HP and Dell) My second choice, and this is going to sound odd to most, is always always always a Sun. I am going to assume here (since I don't know what you are looking to spend) that it needs to be sub-$1000, include a warranty and that you will have good support. So check this out. Sun will happily ship you an Intel Core Duo 2 system with 512 MB (okay, not great, but this *is* the base system) NVidia graphics, 250 GB hard drive, DVD and the standard ethernet, USB, audio, etc all for $995. Great basic workstation. Sun offers awesome support. Oh, and this is the best part: You are a small business owner, Mr. Okiebenz.com. As such Sun will *also* happily ship you said system for *nothing*. Free, nada, Pro bono, gratis. All for 60 days. For the next two months Okiebenz.com can be considering new workstations for the web developers and be using a brand new computer to do it. You hate it, don't like the price, whatever. You pay to ship it back (if memory serves) and that's it. After that, if you *still* want an eMachines, then God be with you my friend. Ed -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
The problem with XP and other windows products is all the programs that people install onto it, this loads it up, slows it down and eventually it crashes. A properly set up XP should be reliable as long as it is not stressed with a 1000 little programs all competing for memory and processor power. Hendrik LWB250 wrote: I would agree with Tom. We have nearly 100,000 nodes now, about 90% of which are running XP, and we have almost no problems. We're running an enterprise version of SAV and everything is locked down courtesy of Active Directory and group policies applied both globally and to individual OUs. I am one of the team leaders for the AD rollout, and it has taken us nearly three years to get everything locked down. As we do the final batch over the next month or two I expect any problems to pretty much disappear. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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