[MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[dseretakis]

I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that I 
was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 78 
mph, I:
1) realize that I'm speeding.
2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.

Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top speed 
limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked him to 
show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine could not 
lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence such as a 
radar reading? Is this worth appealing?

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Peter Frederick]

Probably it's your word against his, but yes, they have to have proof  
of a speed reading in order to write a ticket.


The judge may get a kick out of this case -- however, a 240D will do  
about 85 max, don't lie to him.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[clay monroe]

by all means!  he has to prove his claim.  And we all know that a 30 year old 
240D is not able to go that fast without the driver intending to push the car 
to its limits.  Gump was able to chug along at 65 with minimal strain.  Get it 
over 70 and you knew it was getting to the red zone.  Sustained speed over 80 
and you stop that really fast.  By that time you have strained your foot to the 
floor.  



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1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
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On Feb 14, 2013, at 4:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that 
> I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 
> 78 mph, I:
> 1) realize that I'm speeding.
> 2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.
> 
> Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top 
> speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked 
> him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine 
> could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence 
> such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[clay monroe]

IT will max out at 85, but you better not try to keep it there for longer than 
a minute.  Being able to get it there would be hard for a 30 year old car.


On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> Probably it's your word against his, but yes, they have to have proof of a 
> speed reading in order to write a ticket.
> 
> The judge may get a kick out of this case -- however, a 240D will do about 85 
> max, don't lie to him.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Tim Crone]

In NC no speedometer is also improper equipment, no insurance points
for that one.

I thought older 240Ds indeed did top out at 78?  Not sure what Dmitri
has.  I don't think my '74 ever broke 80, and if it was possible I
think that car would have done it.

Not that it matters, the attorney doesn't care about the validity of
your defense, and (sadly) neither does the judge or prosecutor.  You
pays your money, to the state+insurance or an attorney.  At least
around here, if you pay an attorney you don't have much of a fine, and
your insurance points don't go up.  If you don't, you are 50/50
depending on who is the judge that day.  If you put up a strong fight
your changes go down because you are wasting the court's time.

Best,
-Tim
cynic? realist? You decide. :)

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
> Probably it's your word against his, but yes, they have to have proof of a
> speed reading in order to write a ticket.
>
> The judge may get a kick out of this case -- however, a 240D will do about
> 85 max, don't lie to him.
>r
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Jaime Kopchinski]

240Ds can run high speeds all day long.  If running 75-80 doesn't feel
good, then something is wrong.  It may take a bit of time to get there,
however, and a hill can set you back somewhat.  But if something feels
scary, you need to fix it.  You're not doing any damage if the engine is
well maintained, remains cool, etc.

My former 240D did 325,000 miles or so before being totaled while parked.
 About 80,000 of those miles (~160,000-240,000) was me as a 18-22 year old
driving it hard!  Fond memories:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2001_02_10_240D_Maxed_out.jpg

Regarding the speeding ticket, I'm not sure how things work in Maine, but
here in NJ you could have the severity of the ticket reduced by just
showing up in court.  But admitting to a broken speedometer might result in
you getting a failure to repair ticket.

Good luck!
Jaime



On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:12 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> IT will max out at 85, but you better not try to keep it there for longer
> than a minute.  Being able to get it there would be hard for a 30 year old
> car.
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>
> > Probably it's your word against his, but yes, they have to have proof of
> a speed reading in order to write a ticket.
> >
> > The judge may get a kick out of this case -- however, a 240D will do
> about 85 max, don't lie to him.
> >
> > Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[WILTON]

How much was the tailwind?  ;<)

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:54 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!


I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed 
that I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm 
doing 78 mph, I:

1) realize that I'm speeding.
2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.

Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top 
speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked 
him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine 
could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce 
evidence such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?


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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[WILTON]

Hey, that looks familiar, 'cept my odometer never read that high, never held 
the needle on the peg and never saw that red light in upper right corner. 
;<)


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!



240Ds can run high speeds all day long.  If running 75-80 doesn't feel
good, then something is wrong.  It may take a bit of time to get there,
however, and a hill can set you back somewhat.  But if something feels
scary, you need to fix it.  You're not doing any damage if the engine is
well maintained, remains cool, etc.

My former 240D did 325,000 miles or so before being totaled while parked.
About 80,000 of those miles (~160,000-240,000) was me as a 18-22 year old
driving it hard!  Fond memories:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2001_02_10_240D_Maxed_out.jpg

Regarding the speeding ticket, I'm not sure how things work in Maine, but
here in NJ you could have the severity of the ticket reduced by just
showing up in court.  But admitting to a broken speedometer might result 
in

you getting a failure to repair ticket.

Good luck!
Jaime



On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:12 PM, clay monroe  wrote:


IT will max out at 85, but you better not try to keep it there for longer
than a minute.  Being able to get it there would be hard for a 30 year 
old

car.


On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> Probably it's your word against his, but yes, they have to have proof 
> of

a speed reading in order to write a ticket.
>
> The judge may get a kick out of this case -- however, a 240D will do
about 85 max, don't lie to him.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Max Dillon]

Did you point out the dead bugs on your REAR window?

I think this is worth the court appearance, if he has no evidence the judge 
will probably dismiss.  Get a haircut and be sure to shave, wear clean 
conservative clothes, be respectful, you'll probably win.  Usually even when 
the cop has evidence, if you show up and can make some reasonable defense, fine 
will be reduced.  I would not mention the broken speedometer at all.

-- 
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dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

>I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed
>that I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When
>I'm doing 78 mph, I:
>1) realize that I'm speeding.
>2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.
>
>Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the
>top speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case.
>I asked him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that
>the machine could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to
>produce evidence such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[WILTON]

Yeah, the broken speedo is no excuse; may be a little part of the reason, 
but is no excuse.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:49 PM
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Did you point out the dead bugs on your REAR window?

I think this is worth the court appearance, if he has no evidence the 
judge will probably dismiss.  Get a haircut and be sure to shave, wear 
clean conservative clothes, be respectful, you'll probably win.  Usually 
even when the cop has evidence, if you show up and can make some 
reasonable defense, fine will be reduced.  I would not mention the broken 
speedometer at all.


--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:


I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed
that I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When
I'm doing 78 mph, I:
1) realize that I'm speeding.
2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.

Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the
top speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case.
I asked him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that
the machine could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to
produce evidence such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Hendrik and fay]

How much is the fine? Is it worth going to court for?
Perhaps get yourself a GPS, so you know how fast your going.
Or maybe get a GPS app for the iPhoney, which is lovingly hand polished 
by young children in blue asbestos mines.


Hendrik
who is not sending this from a phone

On 15/02/13 11:24, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that I 
was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 78 
mph, I:
1) realize that I'm speeding.
2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.

Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top speed 
limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked him to 
show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine could not 
lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence such as a 
radar reading? Is this worth appealing?

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Curt Raymond]

Phooey!

My 240D regularly sits right at 80mph for 10-15 minutes at a time. There is no 
reason it shouldn't. If your car can't its because you aren't maintaining it 
properly. High speed runs are the ultimate Italian tune up, high revs and high 
load. In this case the wind resistance is the high load.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:12:08 -0800
From: clay monroe 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!
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IT will max out at 85, but you better not try to keep it there for longer than 
a minute.  Being able to get it there would be hard for a 30 year old car.


On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> Probably it's your word against his, but yes, they have to have proof of a 
> speed reading in order to write a ticket.
> 
> The judge may get a kick out of this case -- however, a 240D will do about 85 
> max, don't lie to him.
> 
> Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[WILTON]

'Cept one trip with freezing water in the fuel, I never had any trouble 
cruising in left lane of turnpikes and interstate highways in my '80 240D; 
'took a little longer getting to it, but was always able  to stay with or 
lead "the pack."


Wilton

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Phooey!

My 240D regularly sits right at 80mph for 10-15 minutes at a time. There 
is no reason it shouldn't. If your car can't its because you aren't 
maintaining it properly. High speed runs are the ultimate Italian tune up, 
high revs and high load. In this case the wind resistance is the high 
load.


-Curt

Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:12:08 -0800
From: clay monroe 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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IT will max out at 85, but you better not try to keep it there for longer 
than a minute.  Being able to get it there would be hard for a 30 year old 
car.



On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

Probably it's your word against his, but yes, they have to have proof of 
a speed reading in order to write a ticket.


The judge may get a kick out of this case -- however, a 240D will do 
about 85 max, don't lie to him.


Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Jon Agne]

On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that 
> I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 
> 78 mph, I:
> 1) realize that I'm speeding.
> 2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.
> 
> Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top 
> speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked 
> him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine 
> could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence 
> such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Curt Raymond]

Maybe one of us should ask whats wrong with the old speedo? I've got a working 
1983 replacement.

Actually I've got another unknown (probably working) one too (which would keep 
me from having to break up a known good cluster) that Andrew sold me some years 
ago. Anyway either (or both) are yours for the asking if needed. We're supposed 
to have snow this weekend but you could come out Monday for snowmobiling (I'll 
actually be in Leominster but thats east of here) and pickup.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:56:22 +1030
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How much is the fine? Is it worth going to court for?
Perhaps get yourself a GPS, so you know how fast your going.
Or maybe get a GPS app for the iPhoney, which is lovingly hand polished 
by young children in blue asbestos mines.

Hendrik
who is not sending this from a phone

On 15/02/13 11:24, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that 
> I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 
> 78 mph, I:
> 1) realize that I'm speeding.
> 2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.
>
> Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top 
> speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked 
> him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine 
> could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence 
> such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Jon Agne]

Sorry...deleted all of 1st post accidentally just before hitting send.

In Maine, unfortunately, you will pay no matter what.  If you want to keep it 
off of your record, you need to hire an atty.

Sorry.

BTW,  New Hampshire is worse.

Jon


On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that 
> I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 
> 78 mph, I:
> 1) realize that I'm speeding.
> 2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.
> 
> Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top 
> speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked 
> him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine 
> could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence 
> such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Allan Streib]

On the other hand do it with an old VW diesel and you will kill it
quick.  The severely underpowered diesel Vanagons are well known for
blowing engines due to foot-to-the-floor operation.

Allan

Curt Raymond  writes:

> Phooey!
>
> My 240D regularly sits right at 80mph for 10-15 minutes at a time. There is 
> no reason it shouldn't. If your car can't its because you aren't maintaining 
> it properly. High speed runs are the ultimate Italian tune up, high revs and 
> high load. In this case the wind resistance is the high load.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:12:08 -0800
> From: clay monroe 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!
> Message-ID: <0edf596c-aba8-4b31-99a4-f94d954db...@comcast.net>
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>
> IT will max out at 85, but you better not try to keep it there for longer 
> than a minute.  Being able to get it there would be hard for a 30 year old 
> car.
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>
>> Probably it's your word against his, but yes, they have to have proof of a 
>> speed reading in order to write a ticket.
>> 
>> The judge may get a kick out of this case -- however, a 240D will do about 
>> 85 max, don't lie to him.
>> 
>> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Dieselhead]

Pay a shyster to get you off.  It may cost a little more than the 
ticket, but less than the total costs.  Other costs are higher 
insurance, higher interest and potentially not getting a better job 
and such.  Anything where they pull your records to check is a 
potential cost.


Besides, they count on everyone rolling over.  The least you can do 
is cost the buzzards more than they stand to gain.  In some 
jurisdictions, you can go in and plead not guilty, and often they 
will drop the case before you even plead.  Going in and pleading 
guilty and asking for a court date can be done without a shyster in 
some courts.  Find out how its done in offending jurisdiction.


DIY strategies are challenging the calibration (technical and you 
need tons of info), challenging chain of custody (technical and you 
need tons of info) or going to kangaroo court with a hired court 
recorder, and then appeal on a technicality (you need a shyster for 
the appeal)  The last gets expensive.  It is often cheaper to hire a 
shyster to make it go away.  If you try a DIY approach, go to the 
court a week or 3 before the scheduled appearance and observe.  If 
you see them sending someone around to bargain or dismiss, try 
talking to that agent and see if they can explain procedures and why 
they might dismiss.  If you get a friendly reception, you might ask 
if they might dismiss if they know you will cost the court more in 
expenses than they stand to gain.  State you have a great case 
against them and your attorney intends to cost them significantly 
more than the gain.


My son got a ticket claiming he was going 85 in a 66 200D!   I don't think so



I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper 
claimed that I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't 
work. When I'm doing 78 mph, I:

1) realize that I'm speeding.
2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.

Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing 
the top speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the 
case. I asked him to show me the radar reading but he rudely 
insisted that the machine could not lock in the speed. Don't they 
have to be able to produce evidence such as a radar reading? Is this 
worth appealing?


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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Mitch Haley]

Tim Crone wrote:

I thought older 240Ds indeed did top out at 78?  Not sure what Dmitri
has.  I don't think my '74 ever broke 80, and if it was possible I
think that car would have done it.



Good point. There's probably 5mph or so difference between a 1980 or newer big 
cam 240D and an earlier model. Probably a few mph difference between auto and 
manual trans too.


Your honor, The officer admits his radar was not functioning properly, so he 
simply guessed at my speed. The ticket should be dismissed for lack of competent 
evidence. The top speed of my car is 78-80mph, and it takes considerable effort 
to achieve that. You'd have to be really trying to go over 75mph. I wasn't 
trying that day.


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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[dseretakis]

What does an attorney have to do with keeping it off my record?  The officer 
has no proof as he can't produce a radar read. Wouldn't the court see that?

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On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:

> Sorry...deleted all of 1st post accidentally just before hitting send.
> 
> In Maine, unfortunately, you will pay no matter what.  If you want to keep it 
> off of your record, you need to hire an atty.
> 
> Sorry.
> 
> BTW,  New Hampshire is worse.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that 
>> I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 
>> 78 mph, I:
>> 1) realize that I'm speeding.
>> 2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.
>> 
>> Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top 
>> speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked 
>> him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine 
>> could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence 
>> such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[dseretakis]

The ticket is $137. Is it worth hiring a lawyer? It's more a matter of 
principle and possible insurance increase that motivates me to appeal it.  
I'm self employed so I don't have to worry about not getting hired.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:35 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pay a shyster to get you off.  It may cost a little more than the ticket, but 
> less than the total costs.  Other costs are higher insurance, higher interest 
> and potentially not getting a better job and such.  Anything where they pull 
> your records to check is a potential cost.
> 
> Besides, they count on everyone rolling over.  The least you can do is cost 
> the buzzards more than they stand to gain.  In some jurisdictions, you can go 
> in and plead not guilty, and often they will drop the case before you even 
> plead.  Going in and pleading guilty and asking for a court date can be done 
> without a shyster in some courts.  Find out how its done in offending 
> jurisdiction.
> 
> DIY strategies are challenging the calibration (technical and you need tons 
> of info), challenging chain of custody (technical and you need tons of info) 
> or going to kangaroo court with a hired court recorder, and then appeal on a 
> technicality (you need a shyster for the appeal)  The last gets expensive.  
> It is often cheaper to hire a shyster to make it go away.  If you try a DIY 
> approach, go to the court a week or 3 before the scheduled appearance and 
> observe.  If you see them sending someone around to bargain or dismiss, try 
> talking to that agent and see if they can explain procedures and why they 
> might dismiss.  If you get a friendly reception, you might ask if they might 
> dismiss if they know you will cost the court more in expenses than they stand 
> to gain.  State you have a great case against them and your attorney intends 
> to cost them significantly more than the gain.
> 
> My son got a ticket claiming he was going 85 in a 66 200D!   I don't think so
> 
> 
> 
>> I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that 
>> I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 
>> 78 mph, I:
>> 1) realize that I'm speeding.
>> 2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.
>> 
>> Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top 
>> speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked 
>> him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine 
>> could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence 
>> such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[dseretakis]

Not sure what's wrong with it. I need to pull the cluster and troubleshoot. I 
suspect the cable is broken as both the odo and speedo stopped working 
suddenly. Thanks for the offer on the speedometer! I'll check to see if its not 
just a cable and let you know.
I'll be in Maine on Monday but the snowmobiling sounds like fun:)


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On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Maybe one of us should ask whats wrong with the old speedo? I've got a 
> working 1983 replacement.
> 
> Actually I've got another unknown (probably working) one too (which would 
> keep me from having to break up a known good cluster) that Andrew sold me 
> some years ago. Anyway either (or both) are yours for the asking if needed. 
> We're supposed to have snow this weekend but you could come out Monday for 
> snowmobiling (I'll actually be in Leominster but thats east of here) and 
> pickup.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:56:22 +1030
> From: Hendrik and fay 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!
> Message-ID: <511d9cce.3030...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> How much is the fine? Is it worth going to court for?
> Perhaps get yourself a GPS, so you know how fast your going.
> Or maybe get a GPS app for the iPhoney, which is lovingly hand polished 
> by young children in blue asbestos mines.
> 
> Hendrik
> who is not sending this from a phone
> 
> On 15/02/13 11:24, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that 
>> I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 
>> 78 mph, I:
>> 1) realize that I'm speeding.
>> 2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.
>> 
>> Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top 
>> speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked 
>> him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine 
>> could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence 
>> such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Dan Penoff]

My youngest son just sort of beat his last speeding ticket (his third in as 
many years!)

He got two continuances, hoping the LEO who wrote the ticket wouldn't appear, 
but he did.

He got it knocked down to 6 mph over the limit because he showed that he had 
recently had his speedo worked on, which he had. The officer used his cruiser's 
speedo to "clock" him, so he argued that the manufacturer's tolerances were a 
certain percentage of the stated value, and backed it up with data from Ford 
(it was a Crown Vic.)

He said the cop was pissed as heck.

Dan

On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:

> Sorry...deleted all of 1st post accidentally just before hitting send.
> 
> In Maine, unfortunately, you will pay no matter what.  If you want to keep it 
> off of your record, you need to hire an atty.
> 
> Sorry.
> 
> BTW,  New Hampshire is worse.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that 
>> I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 
>> 78 mph, I:
>> 1) realize that I'm speeding.
>> 2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.
>> 
>> Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top 
>> speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked 
>> him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine 
>> could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence 
>> such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Curt Raymond]

Theres really only 3 or 4 things that could go wrong. The cable breaking seems 
like it should have made some noise first. I wonder if it just fell off the 
back of the speedo? That'd be a nice easy fix.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:06:00 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

Not sure what's wrong with it. I need to pull the cluster and troubleshoot. I 
suspect the cable is broken as both the odo and speedo stopped working 
suddenly. Thanks for the offer on the speedometer! I'll check to see if its not 
just a cable and let you know.
I'll be in Maine on Monday but the snowmobiling sounds like fun:)


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Maybe one of us should ask whats wrong with the old speedo? I've got a 
> working 1983 replacement.
> 
> Actually I've got another unknown (probably working) one too (which would 
> keep me from having to break up a known good cluster) that Andrew sold me 
> some years ago. Anyway either (or both) are yours for the asking if needed. 
> We're supposed to have snow this weekend but you could come out Monday for 
> snowmobiling (I'll actually be in Leominster but thats east of here) and 
> pickup.
> 
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Curt Raymond]

I never noticed any difference in max speed between my '78 240D and the '83 
240D I used to have. Max speed is governor limited and 5500rpm is 5500rpm no 
matter which way you slice it. The '78 is slightly slower to get there but only 
slightly.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:44:26 -0500
From: Mitch Haley 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!
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Tim Crone wrote:
> I thought older 240Ds indeed did top out at 78?  Not sure what Dmitri
> has.  I don't think my '74 ever broke 80, and if it was possible I
> think that car would have done it.


Good point. There's probably 5mph or so difference between a 1980 or newer big 
cam 240D and an earlier model. Probably a few mph difference between auto and 
manual trans too.

Your honor, The officer admits his radar was not functioning properly, so he 
simply guessed at my speed. The ticket should be dismissed for lack of 
competent 
evidence. The top speed of my car is 78-80mph, and it takes considerable effort 
to achieve that. You'd have to be really trying to go over 75mph. I wasn't 
trying that day.

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[ernest breakfield]

the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in some 
states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional 
trained in this sort of thing; you're not.



cheers!
e

On 14/Feb/13 20:57, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

What does an attorney have to do with keeping it off my record?  The officer 
has no proof as he can't produce a radar read. Wouldn't the court see that?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:


Sorry...deleted all of 1st post accidentally just before hitting send.

In Maine, unfortunately, you will pay no matter what.  If you want to keep it 
off of your record, you need to hire an atty.

Sorry.

BTW,  New Hampshire is worse.

Jon


On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:


I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that I 
was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 78 
mph, I:
1) realize that I'm speeding.
2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.

Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top speed 
limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked him to 
show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine could not 
lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence such as a 
radar reading? Is this worth appealing?

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Randy Bennell]

On 15/02/2013 11:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in 
some states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional 
trained in this sort of thing; you're not.



cheers!
e


How much over the limit were you?


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Fmiser]

> Curt Raymond wrote:

> I never noticed any difference in max speed between my '78
> 240D and the '83 240D I used to have. Max speed is governor
> limited and 5500rpm is 5500rpm no matter which way you slice
> it. The '78 is slightly slower to get there but only slightly.

Yeah - but a 240d isn't limited by the governor in 4th gear.
It's limited by the available power and air resistance.

With 175/82 tires (I think that's about what a 175SR14 is), a
3.69 differential ratio, and 1:1 top gear - 5250 RPM equals 97
MPH [156 km/h].  I think that's the "shortest" differential and
a rather small tire.  Nitske lists 86 MPH [138 km/h] as the top
speed for the early car which would be about 4350 RPM.  The
post-'79 is listed with a top speed of 89 MPH [143 km/h] which
is about 4500 RPM.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Curt Raymond]

Interesting, I'd always thought there had to be a limiter because you can feel 
it just sort of stop accelerating. Or my '83 you could anyway, something is 
wrong with my '78, its sometimes (but not always) down on power...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:11:04 -0600
From: Fmiser 
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> Curt Raymond wrote:

> I never noticed any difference in max speed between my '78
> 240D and the '83 240D I used to have. Max speed is governor
> limited and 5500rpm is 5500rpm no matter which way you slice
> it. The '78 is slightly slower to get there but only slightly.

Yeah - but a 240d isn't limited by the governor in 4th gear.
It's limited by the available power and air resistance.

With 175/82 tires (I think that's about what a 175SR14 is), a
3.69 differential ratio, and 1:1 top gear - 5250 RPM equals 97
MPH [156 km/h].  I think that's the "shortest" differential and
a rather small tire.  Nitske lists 86 MPH [138 km/h] as the top
speed for the early car which would be about 4350 RPM.  The
post-'79 is listed with a top speed of 89 MPH [143 km/h] which
is about 4500 RPM.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Dieselhead]

My youngest son just sort of beat his last speeding ticket (his 
third in as many years!)


He got two continuances, hoping the LEO who wrote the ticket 
wouldn't appear, but he did.


He got it knocked down to 6 mph over the limit because he showed 
that he had recently had his speedo worked on, which he had. The 
officer used his cruiser's speedo to "clock" him, so he argued that 
the manufacturer's tolerances were a certain percentage of the 
stated value, and backed it up with data from Ford (it was a Crown 
Vic.)


He said the cop was pissed as heck.

Dan


You've gotta be careful about them (POd lEO).  They often start 
hunting the kid to "get even"  With the current attitude/training 
where they believe everyone they stop is a terrorist, it is pretty 
easy for them to make claims with little or no substantiation.  Then 
they can escalate the "incident"  May be a good time to put him in a 
different car.


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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Dan Penoff]

He is in a different car and he got a ride from the girlfriend to his court 
appearance.

We already went over this prior to his court date. I also had my lawyer buddy 
give him a quick overview of what is and isn't legal in a Terry stop. You can 
never be too carful these days...

Dan

On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> My youngest son just sort of beat his last speeding ticket (his third in as 
>> many years!)
>> 
>> He got two continuances, hoping the LEO who wrote the ticket wouldn't 
>> appear, but he did.
>> 
>> He got it knocked down to 6 mph over the limit because he showed that he had 
>> recently had his speedo worked on, which he had. The officer used his 
>> cruiser's speedo to "clock" him, so he argued that the manufacturer's 
>> tolerances were a certain percentage of the stated value, and backed it up 
>> with data from Ford (it was a Crown Vic.)
>> 
>> He said the cop was pissed as heck.
>> 
>> Dan
> 
> You've gotta be careful about them (POd lEO).  They often start hunting the 
> kid to "get even"  With the current attitude/training where they believe 
> everyone they stop is a terrorist, it is pretty easy for them to make claims 
> with little or no substantiation.  Then they can escalate the "incident"  May 
> be a good time to put him in a different car.
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[G Mann]

Twice now, I've been stopped for speed with my GPS stuck to the winshield.
When the officer did his little "discussion" I just pointed to the GPS and
stated... According to my GPS here on the dash in clear view of me while
driving I was doing exactly XXX Mph. I'm sure I can call up that
information when I go to court on this, are you sure you have accurate
information? This GPS takes measurement accurate to 30 inches when
calculating speed..  It helps that I also have a dual dash camera to
point to, one shoots to the front one shoots to the rear and records to a
12V 40 gig hard drive.
So I can call up the exact location and the officer stop along with the GPS
data.

In both cases, we chatted a bit... officer ask why I had "all this
equipment" and I replied.. you have it in your car don't you? There are a
lot of unsafe drivers on the road and my insurance likes that I can replay
any accident I might have for them.

Seems to take a lot of the "sting" out of their "sting" no ticket in
either case.

Grant...
Total cost for camera setup was less than one ticket


On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 15/02/2013 11:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
>
>> the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in some
>> states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
>> the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional trained
>> in this sort of thing; you're not.
>>
>>
>> cheers!
>> e
>>
>>  How much over the limit were you?
>
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I will provide a character reference for Dimitri:  "Your honor,
Dimitri is quite a character":

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:55 PM, G Mann  wrote:
> Twice now, I've been stopped for speed with my GPS stuck to the winshield.
> When the officer did his little "discussion" I just pointed to the GPS and
> stated... According to my GPS here on the dash in clear view of me while
> driving I was doing exactly XXX Mph. I'm sure I can call up that
> information when I go to court on this, are you sure you have accurate
> information? This GPS takes measurement accurate to 30 inches when
> calculating speed..  It helps that I also have a dual dash camera to
> point to, one shoots to the front one shoots to the rear and records to a
> 12V 40 gig hard drive.
> So I can call up the exact location and the officer stop along with the GPS
> data.
>
> In both cases, we chatted a bit... officer ask why I had "all this
> equipment" and I replied.. you have it in your car don't you? There are a
> lot of unsafe drivers on the road and my insurance likes that I can replay
> any accident I might have for them.
>
> Seems to take a lot of the "sting" out of their "sting" no ticket in
> either case.
>
> Grant...
> Total cost for camera setup was less than one ticket
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>
>> On 15/02/2013 11:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
>>
>>> the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in some
>>> states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
>>> the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional trained
>>> in this sort of thing; you're not.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>>>
>>>  How much over the limit were you?
>>
>>
>> Randy
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Jon Agne]

Details please!  Would love to know specifics about your setup.

Jon


On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:55 PM, G Mann wrote:

> Twice now, I've been stopped for speed with my GPS stuck to the winshield.
> When the officer did his little "discussion" I just pointed to the GPS and
> stated... According to my GPS here on the dash in clear view of me while
> driving I was doing exactly XXX Mph. I'm sure I can call up that
> information when I go to court on this, are you sure you have accurate
> information? This GPS takes measurement accurate to 30 inches when
> calculating speed..  It helps that I also have a dual dash camera to
> point to, one shoots to the front one shoots to the rear and records to a
> 12V 40 gig hard drive.
> So I can call up the exact location and the officer stop along with the GPS
> data.
> 
> In both cases, we chatted a bit... officer ask why I had "all this
> equipment" and I replied.. you have it in your car don't you? There are a
> lot of unsafe drivers on the road and my insurance likes that I can replay
> any accident I might have for them.
> 
> Seems to take a lot of the "sting" out of their "sting" no ticket in
> either case.
> 
> Grant...
> Total cost for camera setup was less than one ticket
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> 
>> On 15/02/2013 11:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
>> 
>>> the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in some
>>> states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
>>>the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional trained
>>> in this sort of thing; you're not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>>> 
>>> How much over the limit were you?
>> 
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[dseretakis]

Yes please!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:

> Details please!  Would love to know specifics about your setup.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:55 PM, G Mann wrote:
> 
>> Twice now, I've been stopped for speed with my GPS stuck to the winshield.
>> When the officer did his little "discussion" I just pointed to the GPS and
>> stated... According to my GPS here on the dash in clear view of me while
>> driving I was doing exactly XXX Mph. I'm sure I can call up that
>> information when I go to court on this, are you sure you have accurate
>> information? This GPS takes measurement accurate to 30 inches when
>> calculating speed..  It helps that I also have a dual dash camera to
>> point to, one shoots to the front one shoots to the rear and records to a
>> 12V 40 gig hard drive.
>> So I can call up the exact location and the officer stop along with the GPS
>> data.
>> 
>> In both cases, we chatted a bit... officer ask why I had "all this
>> equipment" and I replied.. you have it in your car don't you? There are a
>> lot of unsafe drivers on the road and my insurance likes that I can replay
>> any accident I might have for them.
>> 
>> Seems to take a lot of the "sting" out of their "sting" no ticket in
>> either case.
>> 
>> Grant...
>> Total cost for camera setup was less than one ticket
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 15/02/2013 11:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
>>> 
 the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in some
 states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
   the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional trained
 in this sort of thing; you're not.
 
 
 cheers!
 e
 
 How much over the limit were you?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[G Mann]

You ask... so here it is. There are others with slightly different
features... Just search engine "dash camera with recording" and read their
blurbs.

http://www.zetronix.com/Car-Cameras/c59/Wide-Angle-Dual-Car-Camera-with-GPS-and-Night-Vision-Dash-Cam%28201%29/product_info.html?gclid=CIP-2KjEubUCFZCDQgodIB0A3w

Or what I have, which is an earlier version of this.

http://www.zetronix.com/720p-HD-Ultra-Wide-Angle-Nightvision-Car/Truck-DVR-Dash-Camera%28203%29/product_info.html

In both cases, you are less than $300 plus shipping. Auto key on feature is
great. You will never forget to record. It gives you about 18 hrs of record
time then re-records over the old stuff.. The new one above has GPS linked
directly into the data stream, If I replace what I have, it would be my
choice.

A word of caution. This device could also be used as information against
you so guard it carefully. Your 5th amendment right not to engage in self
incrimination could become "fragile" should you fail to protect and
preserve it. Just a word to the wise. As my law firm "Dewy, Cheatem, &
Howe" says... call us first and shut the hell up...

Grant...

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM,  wrote:

> Yes please!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 15, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>
> > Details please!  Would love to know specifics about your setup.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:55 PM, G Mann wrote:
> >
> >> Twice now, I've been stopped for speed with my GPS stuck to the
> winshield.
> >> When the officer did his little "discussion" I just pointed to the GPS
> and
> >> stated... According to my GPS here on the dash in clear view of me while
> >> driving I was doing exactly XXX Mph. I'm sure I can call up that
> >> information when I go to court on this, are you sure you have accurate
> >> information? This GPS takes measurement accurate to 30 inches when
> >> calculating speed..  It helps that I also have a dual dash camera to
> >> point to, one shoots to the front one shoots to the rear and records to
> a
> >> 12V 40 gig hard drive.
> >> So I can call up the exact location and the officer stop along with the
> GPS
> >> data.
> >>
> >> In both cases, we chatted a bit... officer ask why I had "all this
> >> equipment" and I replied.. you have it in your car don't you? There are
> a
> >> lot of unsafe drivers on the road and my insurance likes that I can
> replay
> >> any accident I might have for them.
> >>
> >> Seems to take a lot of the "sting" out of their "sting" no ticket in
> >> either case.
> >>
> >> Grant...
> >> Total cost for camera setup was less than one ticket
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Randy Bennell 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 15/02/2013 11:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
> >>>
>  the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in
> some
>  states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
>    the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional trained
>  in this sort of thing; you're not.
> 
> 
>  cheers!
>  e
> 
>  How much over the limit were you?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Randy
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[WILTON]

Maybe 20 years ago, my 80 240D speedo cable broke; no noise; no erratic 
speedo - just suddenly quit.   Coupla years before that, though, odometer 
quit, and I had removed the unit and sent it to "well-known and 
well-recommended repairer" (can't remember who/where), but, anyway, on that 
New Year's night (not eve but Jan 1), SWMBO and I drove the 240D to her 
brother's house for dinner, etc., near the small eastern NC town where she 
and I grew up.  At about 11 PM or so, we were headed home about an hour 
away.  'Cruised down main street and saw local gendarme sitting at usual 
spot.  (Remember, speedo was not installed, but I was familiar enough with 
sound of car in each gear to know that I was not speeding.)  'Cruised on up 
main street to red light just before right turn to head on out of town. 
While sitting at red light, gendarme eased up behind me; right turn signal 
ON, turned right and easing on out of town at about 32 to 34 mph in 35 zone, 
crossed railroad and eased into long, sweeping slight curve to left; very 
aware of double yellow center line and eased to left NEAR the line, but very 
aware that I never touched it.  Gendarme close behind me the whole time; 
just as I was about to accelerate to 45 mph as I passed 45 zone sign, blue 
lights flashed behind.  I said, "What the Hell is this?  I haven't done 
anything."  As gendarme approached car, I eased out of driver seat and stood 
facing him with very non-threatening air and stance and asked in pleasant 
voice, "Good evening, officer, what's the problem?"  He replied, "Well, I 
stopped you because you crossed the double yellow line back there in that 
curve?"  Surprised, I said in high voice with puzzled face and being careful 
not to appear angry, etc., "What?"  But I did not protest, and certainly was 
not going to argue - my attitude and response to gendarmes has always been 
to try to use only the following authorized statements:  "Yes, Sir; No, Sir 
and No excuse, Sir."  He went on to ask for driver's license, registration, 
etc.; while pulling out my wallet, I asked SWMBO to get registration out of 
glove box, etc.; as I pulled my license out of my pocket; I dropped it in 
the grass; made a swift movement straight down bending my knees and keeping 
back straight, retrieved the license with no hesitation, no wobbling, etc. - 
just a very stable, swift and fluid movement down and up.  As I handed him 
the license and reg., he asked, "Had anything to drink tonight?"  I replied 
firmly and confidently, "Yes, Sir, my sister-in-law's sweet ice tea, as 
usual."  He responded, "No alcoholic beverages?"  My reply, "Absolutely not! 
Never!"  He quickly realized that I knew what the Hell I was talking about, 
and handed my license and reg back saying, "Well, have a nice evening, Mr. 
Strickland."  As I was getting in car, I said, "I thank you for doing your 
duty, but you know, it is a bit annoying and is a pity to know that we can't 
drive anywhere late at night this time of year without being suspected of 
drinking."  He replied, "Yes, you're right.  Have a nice evening."  As I 
closed the door, my final comment, "Thank, you, Sir."


Frankly, It was a bit more than annoying.

Ya may wonder why I got out of the car - I was trying to keep 'im from 
seeing the blank space in the instrument cluster.  'Could've been a 
defective equipment ticket.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!


Theres really only 3 or 4 things that could go wrong. The cable breaking 
seems like it should have made some noise first. I wonder if it just fell 
off the back of the speedo? That'd be a nice easy fix.


-Curt

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:06:00 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!
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Not sure what's wrong with it. I need to pull the cluster and 
troubleshoot. I suspect the cable is broken as both the odo and speedo 
stopped working suddenly. Thanks for the offer on the speedometer! I'll 
check to see if its not just a cable and let you know.

I'll be in Maine on Monday but the snowmobiling sounds like fun:)


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Maybe one of us should ask whats wrong with the old speedo? I've got a 
working 1983 replacement.


Actually I've got another unknown (probably working) one too (which would 
keep me from having to break up a known good cluster) that Andrew sold me 
some years ago. Anyway either (or both) are yours for the asking if 
ne

Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[OK Don]

You also need that always on dash camera in case a meteorite flies in front
of you -
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/50827929#50827929

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:25 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> You ask... so here it is. There are others with slightly different
> features... Just search engine "dash camera with recording" and read their
> blurbs.
>
>
> http://www.zetronix.com/Car-Cameras/c59/Wide-Angle-Dual-Car-Camera-with-GPS-and-Night-Vision-Dash-Cam%28201%29/product_info.html?gclid=CIP-2KjEubUCFZCDQgodIB0A3w
>
> Or what I have, which is an earlier version of this.
>
>
> http://www.zetronix.com/720p-HD-Ultra-Wide-Angle-Nightvision-Car/Truck-DVR-Dash-Camera%28203%29/product_info.html
>
> In both cases, you are less than $300 plus shipping. Auto key on feature is
> great. You will never forget to record. It gives you about 18 hrs of record
> time then re-records over the old stuff.. The new one above has GPS linked
> directly into the data stream, If I replace what I have, it would be my
> choice.
>
> A word of caution. This device could also be used as information against
> you so guard it carefully. Your 5th amendment right not to engage in self
> incrimination could become "fragile" should you fail to protect and
> preserve it. Just a word to the wise. As my law firm "Dewy, Cheatem, &
> Howe" says... call us first and shut the hell up...
>
> Grant...
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM,  wrote:
>
> > Yes please!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> >
> > > Details please!  Would love to know specifics about your setup.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:55 PM, G Mann wrote:
> > >
> > >> Twice now, I've been stopped for speed with my GPS stuck to the
> > winshield.
> > >> When the officer did his little "discussion" I just pointed to the GPS
> > and
> > >> stated... According to my GPS here on the dash in clear view of me
> while
> > >> driving I was doing exactly XXX Mph. I'm sure I can call up that
> > >> information when I go to court on this, are you sure you have accurate
> > >> information? This GPS takes measurement accurate to 30 inches when
> > >> calculating speed..  It helps that I also have a dual dash camera
> to
> > >> point to, one shoots to the front one shoots to the rear and records
> to
> > a
> > >> 12V 40 gig hard drive.
> > >> So I can call up the exact location and the officer stop along with
> the
> > GPS
> > >> data.
> > >>
> > >> In both cases, we chatted a bit... officer ask why I had "all this
> > >> equipment" and I replied.. you have it in your car don't you? There
> are
> > a
> > >> lot of unsafe drivers on the road and my insurance likes that I can
> > replay
> > >> any accident I might have for them.
> > >>
> > >> Seems to take a lot of the "sting" out of their "sting" no ticket
> in
> > >> either case.
> > >>
> > >> Grant...
> > >> Total cost for camera setup was less than one ticket
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Randy Bennell 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 15/02/2013 11:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
> > >>>
> >  the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in
> > some
> >  states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
> >    the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional
> trained
> >  in this sort of thing; you're not.
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Rich Thomas]

Dealextreme had a front/rear cam for really cheap a coupla weeks back, 
seemed like it had some decent specs.


--R

On 2/15/13 7:25 PM, G Mann wrote:

You ask... so here it is. There are others with slightly different
features... Just search engine "dash camera with recording" and read their
blurbs.

http://www.zetronix.com/Car-Cameras/c59/Wide-Angle-Dual-Car-Camera-with-GPS-and-Night-Vision-Dash-Cam%28201%29/product_info.html?gclid=CIP-2KjEubUCFZCDQgodIB0A3w

Or what I have, which is an earlier version of this.

http://www.zetronix.com/720p-HD-Ultra-Wide-Angle-Nightvision-Car/Truck-DVR-Dash-Camera%28203%29/product_info.html

In both cases, you are less than $300 plus shipping. Auto key on feature is
great. You will never forget to record. It gives you about 18 hrs of record
time then re-records over the old stuff.. The new one above has GPS linked
directly into the data stream, If I replace what I have, it would be my
choice.

A word of caution. This device could also be used as information against
you so guard it carefully. Your 5th amendment right not to engage in self
incrimination could become "fragile" should you fail to protect and
preserve it. Just a word to the wise. As my law firm "Dewy, Cheatem, &
Howe" says... call us first and shut the hell up...

Grant...

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM,  wrote:


Yes please!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:


Details please!  Would love to know specifics about your setup.

Jon


On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:55 PM, G Mann wrote:


Twice now, I've been stopped for speed with my GPS stuck to the

winshield.

When the officer did his little "discussion" I just pointed to the GPS

and

stated... According to my GPS here on the dash in clear view of me while
driving I was doing exactly XXX Mph. I'm sure I can call up that
information when I go to court on this, are you sure you have accurate
information? This GPS takes measurement accurate to 30 inches when
calculating speed..  It helps that I also have a dual dash camera to
point to, one shoots to the front one shoots to the rear and records to

a

12V 40 gig hard drive.
So I can call up the exact location and the officer stop along with the

GPS

data.

In both cases, we chatted a bit... officer ask why I had "all this
equipment" and I replied.. you have it in your car don't you? There are

a

lot of unsafe drivers on the road and my insurance likes that I can

replay

any accident I might have for them.

Seems to take a lot of the "sting" out of their "sting" no ticket in
either case.

Grant...
Total cost for camera setup was less than one ticket


On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Randy Bennell 

wrote:

On 15/02/2013 11:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:


the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in

some

states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
   the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional trained
in this sort of thing; you're not.


cheers!
e

How much over the limit were you?


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[clay monroe]

Maybe the 616 has more goodness than the 615 in Gump.  84.5mph in Gump was 
invigorating, but not to be done for more than a short bit.  Maybe a mile, then 
drop down to reasonable speeds.

clay

On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> On the other hand do it with an old VW diesel and you will kill it
> quick.  The severely underpowered diesel Vanagons are well known for
> blowing engines due to foot-to-the-floor operation.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Curt Raymond  writes:
> 
>> Phooey!
>> 
>> My 240D regularly sits right at 80mph for 10-15 minutes at a time. There is 
>> no reason it shouldn't. If your car can't its because you aren't maintaining 
>> it properly. High speed runs are the ultimate Italian tune up, high revs and 
>> high load. In this case the wind resistance is the high load.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:12:08 -0800
>> From: clay monroe 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!
>> Message-ID: <0edf596c-aba8-4b31-99a4-f94d954db...@comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> IT will max out at 85, but you better not try to keep it there for longer 
>> than a minute.  Being able to get it there would be hard for a 30 year old 
>> car.
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>> 
>>> Probably it's your word against his, but yes, they have to have proof of a 
>>> speed reading in order to write a ticket.
>>> 
>>> The judge may get a kick out of this case -- however, a 240D will do about 
>>> 85 max, don't lie to him.
>>> 
>>> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Jim Cathey]

I'd always thought there had to be a limiter because you can feel it 
just sort of stop accelerating.


That's where the rising wind-resistance HP curve meets the falling
RPM-dropoff HP curve of the diesel.

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[dseretakis]

Speed limit was 65. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 15/02/2013 11:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
>> the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in some 
>> states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
>>the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional trained in 
>> this sort of thing; you're not.
>> 
>> 
>> cheers!
>> e
> How much over the limit were you?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[dseretakis]

Haha.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

> I will provide a character reference for Dimitri:  "Your honor,
> Dimitri is quite a character":
> 
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:55 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>> Twice now, I've been stopped for speed with my GPS stuck to the winshield.
>> When the officer did his little "discussion" I just pointed to the GPS and
>> stated... According to my GPS here on the dash in clear view of me while
>> driving I was doing exactly XXX Mph. I'm sure I can call up that
>> information when I go to court on this, are you sure you have accurate
>> information? This GPS takes measurement accurate to 30 inches when
>> calculating speed..  It helps that I also have a dual dash camera to
>> point to, one shoots to the front one shoots to the rear and records to a
>> 12V 40 gig hard drive.
>> So I can call up the exact location and the officer stop along with the GPS
>> data.
>> 
>> In both cases, we chatted a bit... officer ask why I had "all this
>> equipment" and I replied.. you have it in your car don't you? There are a
>> lot of unsafe drivers on the road and my insurance likes that I can replay
>> any accident I might have for them.
>> 
>> Seems to take a lot of the "sting" out of their "sting" no ticket in
>> either case.
>> 
>> Grant...
>> Total cost for camera setup was less than one ticket
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 15/02/2013 11:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
>>> 
 the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in some
 states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional trained
 in this sort of thing; you're not.
 
 
 cheers!
 e
 
 How much over the limit were you?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Curt Raymond]

Insert banned type response which indicates your being a wuss...


-Curt

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:32:23 -0800
From: clay monroe 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!
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Maybe the 616 has more goodness than the 615 in Gump.  84.5mph in Gump was 
invigorating, but not to be done for more than a short bit.  Maybe a mile, then 
drop down to reasonable speeds.

clay

On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> On the other hand do it with an old VW diesel and you will kill it
> quick.  The severely underpowered diesel Vanagons are well known for
> blowing engines due to foot-to-the-floor operation.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Curt Raymond  writes:
> 
>> Phooey!
>> 
>> My 240D regularly sits right at 80mph for 10-15 minutes at a time. There is 
>> no reason it shouldn't. If your car can't its because you aren't maintaining 
>> it properly. High speed runs are the ultimate Italian tune up, high revs and 
>> high load. In this case the wind resistance is the high load.
>> 
>> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Mitch Haley]

dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
Speed limit was 65. 



Is it like Michigan where 1-10mph over is not a huge deal, but 11mph + gets you 
lots of insurance points and a huge fine?


I once had a local deputy write me for 66 in a 55 zone when I was actually doing 
51-52.  By the time he finally kicked off last year, I found I didn't care about 
his pathetic perjuring life one bit, so I didn't even bother to go to the 
funeral and spit in his face as I'd planned to do 26 years ago.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Gerry Archer]

When googling Zetronix, there were a number of complaints on various 
websites such as this one:

 http://www.ripoffreport.com/directory/Zetronix.aspx

Gerry

From: "Rich Thomas" 

Dealextreme had a front/rear cam for really cheap a coupla weeks back, --R

On 2/15/13 7:25 PM, G Mann wrote:

You ask... so here it is. There are others with slightly different
features... Just search engine "dash camera with recording" and read 
their

blurbs.

http://www.zetronix.com/Car-Cameras/c59/Wide-Angle-Dual-Car-Camera-with-GPS-and-Night-Vision-Dash-Cam%28201%29/product_info.html?gclid=CIP-2KjEubUCFZCDQgodIB0A3w

Or what I have, which is an earlier version of this.

http://www.zetronix.com/720p-HD-Ultra-Wide-Angle-Nightvision-Car/Truck-DVR-Dash-Camera%28203%29/product_info.html

In both cases, you are less than $300 plus shipping. Auto key on feature 
is
great. You will never forget to record. It gives you about 18 hrs of 
record
time then re-records over the old stuff.. The new one above has GPS 
linked

directly into the data stream, If I replace what I have, it would be my
choice.

A word of caution. This device could also be used as information against
you so guard it carefully. Your 5th amendment right not to engage in self
incrimination could become "fragile" should you fail to protect and
preserve it. Just a word to the wise. As my law firm "Dewy, Cheatem, &
Howe" says... call us first and shut the hell up...

Grant...

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM,  wrote:


Yes please!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:


Details please!  Would love to know specifics about your setup.

Jon


On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:55 PM, G Mann wrote:


Twice now, I've been stopped for speed with my GPS stuck to the

winshield.

When the officer did his little "discussion" I just pointed to the GPS

and
stated... According to my GPS here on the dash in clear view of me 
while

driving I was doing exactly XXX Mph. I'm sure I can call up that
information when I go to court on this, are you sure you have accurate
information? This GPS takes measurement accurate to 30 inches when
calculating speed..  It helps that I also have a dual dash camera 
to
point to, one shoots to the front one shoots to the rear and records 
to

a

12V 40 gig hard drive.
So I can call up the exact location and the officer stop along with 
the

GPS

data.

In both cases, we chatted a bit... officer ask why I had "all this
equipment" and I replied.. you have it in your car don't you? There 
are

a

lot of unsafe drivers on the road and my insurance likes that I can

replay

any accident I might have for them.

Seems to take a lot of the "sting" out of their "sting" no ticket 
in

either case.

Grant...
Total cost for camera setup was less than one ticket


On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Randy Bennell 

wrote:

On 15/02/2013 11:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:


the officers testimony of an "estimate" of your speed is enough in

some

states; you'll need to check the laws where you're at.
   the way the judge looks at it, the officer is a professional 
trained

in this sort of thing; you're not.


cheers!
e

How much over the limit were you?


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Rich Thomas]

Have you ever seen their offices?

Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe (better known as Huey, Louie, and Dewey)

--R

On 2/16/13 1:04 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

As my law firm "Dewy, Cheatem, &
Howe" says... call us first and shut the hell up...

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[G Mann]

No need to call them. just follow any ambulance... they will be there.
Full service kind of lawyers.  Went to the office, the receptionist
wouldn't let me leave without a neck brace and a cane..

:)

Grant...

On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Have you ever seen their offices?
>
> Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe (better known as Huey, Louie, and Dewey)
>
> --R
>
> On 2/16/13 1:04 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>
>> As my law firm "Dewy, Cheatem, &
>> Howe" says... call us first and shut the hell up...
>>
>> Grant...
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[clay monroe]

I would concur, but you did not drive the car and hear how redline sounds with 
that little wind up engine. Makes you think the car was in Back to the Future 
territory and I would be transported someplace else were I to take it to 88 MPH

clay

On Feb 16, 2013, at 5:39 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Insert banned type response which indicates your being a wuss...
> 
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:32:23 -0800
> From: clay monroe 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Maybe the 616 has more goodness than the 615 in Gump.  84.5mph in Gump was 
> invigorating, but not to be done for more than a short bit.  Maybe a mile, 
> then drop down to reasonable speeds.
> 
> clay
> 
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> 
>> On the other hand do it with an old VW diesel and you will kill it
>> quick.  The severely underpowered diesel Vanagons are well known for
>> blowing engines due to foot-to-the-floor operation.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Curt Raymond  writes:
>> 
>>> Phooey!
>>> 
>>> My 240D regularly sits right at 80mph for 10-15 minutes at a time. There is 
>>> no reason it shouldn't. If your car can't its because you aren't 
>>> maintaining it properly. High speed runs are the ultimate Italian tune up, 
>>> high revs and high load. In this case the wind resistance is the high load.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Curt Raymond]

Remember I've done over 100,000 miles of mostly highway commuting in a 240D, 
they can't be that different.

I wonder if Phillip can convince us you were 1000rpm off redline like I am with 
my 240D?

Gump was a 220D? I forget. Seems like max speed should be a bit less for one of 
those, maybe 80mph?

-Curt

Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:42:38 -0800
From: clay monroe 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!
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I would concur, but you did not drive the car and hear how redline sounds with 
that little wind up engine. Makes you think the car was in Back to the Future 
territory and I would be transported someplace else were I to take it to 88 MPH

clay

On Feb 16, 2013, at 5:39 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Insert banned type response which indicates your being a wuss...
> 
> 
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Jim Cathey]

Gump was a 220D? I forget. Seems like max speed should be a bit less 
for one of those, maybe 80mph?


My 200D W115 ootched to maybe 88 indicated, the one time I unleashed
the hounds of Limbo.  Its speedo reads a touch low, though, so
road speed might have been still under the 85 MPH that is the
pip on the speedo.  In theory a 220D would be faster, I guess,
but maybe not.  Mine seems to be nearly perfectly in tune with
itself.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Fmiser]

> > clay wrote:
> > 
> > I would concur, but you did not drive the car and hear how
> > redline sounds with that little wind up engine. Makes you
> > think the car was in Back to the Future territory and I would
> > be transported someplace else were I to take it to 88 MPH

> Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> I wonder if Philip can convince us you were 1000rpm off
> redline like I am with my 240D?
> 
> Gump was a 220D? I forget. Seems like max speed should be a
> bit less for one of those, maybe 80mph?

According to the US specs in "Mercedes-Benz Diesel Automobiles"
by Nitske:

| Chassis| Axle | Weight  | Max  | SAE   |  RPM |
|+--+-+--+---+--|
| W115 200D  | 4.08 | 2970 lb | 81 mph   | 61 hp | 4527 |
| W115 220D  | 3.92 | 2997 lb | 84 mph   | 65 hp | 4510 |
| W115 240D  | 3.69 | 3205 lb | 85.7 mpg | 62 hp | 4331 |
| W123 240D <'79 | 3.69 | 3210 lb | 86 mpg   | 62 hp | 4347 |
| W123 240D >'80 | 3.69 | 3120 lb | 89 mpg   | 67 hp | 4498 |

The tires are all 175sr14 or 175/14 - which I believe have the
same aspect ratio of about 82.

RPM is calculated from the tire size, the axle ratio, and road
speed at the factory spec. maximum.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Jim Cathey]

| W115 200D  | 4.08 | 2970 lb | 81 mph   | 61 hp | 4527 |


Odd, then, that mine has a speedo pip at more like 85MPH,
and the car reaches it too.  I'll grant that the US-ification
of this obviously grey-market car might have put a 220D speedo
face on it, but why would it be able to reach it?  OTOH, the
motor's block is marked 615, but the head is 616, so perhaps
the elves have been busy when nobody was looking.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Dieselhead]

| W115 200D  | 4.08 | 2970 lb | 81 mph   | 61 hp | 4527 |


Odd, then, that mine has a speedo pip at more like 85MPH,
and the car reaches it too.  I'll grant that the US-ification
of this obviously grey-market car might have put a 220D speedo
face on it, but why would it be able to reach it?  OTOH, the
motor's block is marked 615, but the head is 616, so perhaps
the elves have been busy when nobody was looking.

-- Jim



Several of the HP jumps were via camshaft, and that is an easy 
retrofit.  Sticking a 80+ 240D complete head on it could cause a hp 
increase.


My 200D already had a retrofit cam and bearings and followers when I 
got it in 1972.  But that is an OM621, not a 615.


What are the 4-5-6 positions of the engine number?  They should be 
different than a US 220D because the displacement is different.


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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Curt Raymond]

Interesting, looks like a 115 220D ought to be real good off the line.

You did manage a funny typo or two too. ;)

-Curt

Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:48:26 -0600
From: Fmiser 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!
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> > clay wrote:
> > 
> > I would concur, but you did not drive the car and hear how
> > redline sounds with that little wind up engine. Makes you
> > think the car was in Back to the Future territory and I would
> > be transported someplace else were I to take it to 88 MPH

> Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> I wonder if Philip can convince us you were 1000rpm off
> redline like I am with my 240D?
> 
> Gump was a 220D? I forget. Seems like max speed should be a
> bit less for one of those, maybe 80mph?

According to the US specs in "Mercedes-Benz Diesel Automobiles"
by Nitske:

| Chassis| Axle | Weight  | Max  | SAE   |  RPM |
|+--+-+--+---+--|
| W115 200D  | 4.08 | 2970 lb | 81 mph   | 61 hp | 4527 |
| W115 220D  | 3.92 | 2997 lb | 84 mph   | 65 hp | 4510 |
| W115 240D  | 3.69 | 3205 lb | 85.7 mpg | 62 hp | 4331 |
| W123 240D <'79 | 3.69 | 3210 lb | 86 mpg   | 62 hp | 4347 |
| W123 240D >'80 | 3.69 | 3120 lb | 89 mpg   | 67 hp | 4498 |

The tires are all 175sr14 or 175/14 - which I believe have the
same aspect ratio of about 82.

RPM is calculated from the tire size, the axle ratio, and road
speed at the factory spec. maximum.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Jim Cathey]

What are the 4-5-6 positions of the engine number?  They should be 
different than a US 220D because the displacement is different.


There is an official-looking painted and embossed aluminum tag riveted
to the block, with 616 010 2600 88 on it.  The head casting is (I think)
616 011 and the block casting is (I think) 615 915.  (Or am I all balled
up and it's 615 915 011?  It's _cold_ out there!)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Dieselhead]

According to wikipedia your car should have:

"OM615.940
The OM615.940 was a 2.0 L (1988 cc) engine with an 87 mm bore and 
83.6 mm stroke. Power output was 55 hp (41 kW) through 1979 and rose 
to 60 hp (45 kW).

Applications:
*   1976-1979 200D, 55 hp (41 kW)
*   1979-1985 200D, 60 hp (45 kW)"
(end quote)

The 220D was 615.941

Next two digits should be 10 (manual trans) or 12 (auto trans) (the 1 
means made in germany) then a 6 digit serial number.  In the 50s 
there was also a 11 for the hydrak transmission


I would expect the engine tag to be 615.940.10.xx

616 010 26 00 looks like a part number, and some have suffixes so the 
88 could be a suffix.  Is it a number for a factory short block?  did 
someone convert it to a 2.4 L engine?



What are the 4-5-6 positions of the engine number?  They should be 
different than a US 220D because the displacement is different.


There is an official-looking painted and embossed aluminum tag riveted
to the block, with 616 010 2600 88 on it.  The head casting is (I think)
616 011 and the block casting is (I think) 615 915.  (Or am I all balled
up and it's 615 915 011?  It's _cold_ out there!)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Craig]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:11:28 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> Interesting, looks like a 115 220D ought to be real good off the line.

Having owned one, I can say, yes, it is ... Until you get across the
intersection and have to shift into second. That is guaranteed to get the
person right behind you quite close to your bumper.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Jim Cathey]

616 010 26 00 looks like a part number, and some have suffixes so the 
88 could be a suffix.  Is it a number for a factory short block?  did 
someone convert it to a 2.4 L engine?


That number I _am_ sure of, and I could easily believe that
somebody dropped in another engine.  The car's engine bay
was not fully assembled when I got it, it looked like somebody's
project that got abandoned.  It runs _great_, and I wouldn't
change a thing about its gearing, horsepower, etc.  Supremely
satisfying to drive, and I even get 31mpg on the good days.
Starts well, even in the cold, it appears to have great
compression.  I usually plug it in, though.

Best $100 I ever spent on a car!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Craig]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:51:16 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The 220D was 615.941

The '72 220D I had was a 615.912.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[OK Don]

Exactly how mine was.

On Monday, February 18, 2013, Craig  wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:11:28 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
>  wrote:
>
>> Interesting, looks like a 115 220D ought to be real good off the line.
>
> Having owned one, I can say, yes, it is ... Until you get across the
> intersection and have to shift into second. That is guaranteed to get the
> person right behind you quite close to your bumper.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Tim Crone]

You have to get out of the "fairness" mindset.

The system by its nature tends to favor frequent players.  The judge is
depending on the police officers union to get reelected, and he is going to
lunch with the prosecutor.  Speaking of lunch, how many cases are left in
that pile?

If you want fair, hope he goes golfing with your attorney.   Or better,
that he -wants- to go golfing with your attorney.

Best,
Tim
On Feb 14, 2013 11:57 PM,  wrote:

> What does an attorney have to do with keeping it off my record?  The
> officer has no proof as he can't produce a radar read. Wouldn't the court
> see that?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>
> > Sorry...deleted all of 1st post accidentally just before hitting send.
> >
> > In Maine, unfortunately, you will pay no matter what.  If you want to
> keep it off of your record, you need to hire an atty.
> >
> > Sorry.
> >
> > BTW,  New Hampshire is worse.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed
> that I was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm
> doing 78 mph, I:
> >> 1) realize that I'm speeding.
> >> 2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.
> >>
> >> Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the
> top speed limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I
> asked him to show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the
> machine could not lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce
> evidence such as a radar reading? Is this worth appealing?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[clay monroe]

w115 with, at the time, shot front suspension bearings, but newer shocks.  I 
had renewed motor mounts and trans mounts.  Ran M1 over 15k miles by then, so 
she was running well.  New tires and alignment, which had pointed out the 
bushing issues.  OM615 on a manual trans, new flex disks and swapped M1 diff 
juice twice since I got it.

Many italian tune ups had been done.  When I got her, she had trouble making 
45mph.  Fresh fluids and filters and daily driving got her past 65 in a few 
months.  More regular driving got me comfortable using her daily on the freeway 
and able to keep up with traffic on a hill.  She would cruise all day at 
65-70mph.  Take her up over 78, and she did the italian tune up jitters until 
those cobwebs were blown out.  Then she was happy at 75mph on the flat, but 
dropped speed on hills.  Around my side of the world, the hills kept her from 
being able to find flat road long enough to get up steam to go past 80.  

After a few years proving she could keep up and behave on the street as well as 
the freeway, I took her from longer trips to Canada and south to PDX.  She did 
600 mile days.  Top speed was 85mph, per the book.  I took her to redline a few 
times and crawling up to that speed was painful.  As you got past 80, you could 
hear and feel that you were pushing it.  Driveline was at its limit and the 
engine would not make enough revs to get past 85 anyway.  Screaming with the 
pedal smashed to the floor while tossing luggage out the trunk.


clay 


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







On Feb 17, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Remember I've done over 100,000 miles of mostly highway commuting in a 240D, 
> they can't be that different.
> 
> I wonder if Phillip can convince us you were 1000rpm off redline like I am 
> with my 240D?
> 
> Gump was a 220D? I forget. Seems like max speed should be a bit less for one 
> of those, maybe 80mph?
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:42:38 -0800
> From: clay monroe 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!
> Message-ID: <9708ca3f-ff8a-4e2c-8e30-6c2961e05...@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I would concur, but you did not drive the car and hear how redline sounds 
> with that little wind up engine. Makes you think the car was in Back to the 
> Future territory and I would be transported someplace else were I to take it 
> to 88 MPH
> 
> clay
> 
> On Feb 16, 2013, at 5:39 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
>> Insert banned type response which indicates your being a wuss...
>> 
>> 
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Speeding ticket in a 240D??!!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yes, it locks in the speed, yes, they have to be able to prove it.

On 2/14/2013 6:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

I got pulled over this afternoon on the Maine Turnpike. Trooper claimed that I 
was doing 78mph. I don't agree but my speedo doesn't work. When I'm doing 78 
mph, I:
1) realize that I'm speeding.
2) am intentionally trying to push my car to its limit.

Neither condition was met. I told the trooper that 78 was pushing the top speed 
limit of my car and that I didn't believe that was the case. I asked him to 
show me the radar reading but he rudely insisted that the machine could not 
lock in the speed. Don't they have to be able to produce evidence such as a 
radar reading? Is this worth appealing?

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