Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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Should come with the vehicle. My F150 has it clipped under the back seat. 
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 Original message From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 Date: 2020-07-03  16:32  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: G Mann  Subject: 
Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania That feature makes it 
impossible to use a spare fuel jug to put fuel in thetank...You need a "special 
adaptor" that holds the flapper open while you put thefuel jug in the 
hole.FLAPS has the adaptors, pretty cheap... suggest one be added to the 
vehiclesurvival kit and kept in the car just because.On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 
2:01 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote:> On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 
15:37:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes>  wrote:>> > One 
thing of note I found odd - these vehicles don’t have gas caps!> > Apparently, 
there’s a shutter in the filler neck that seals everything> > off, so a cap 
would be redundant.>> Unless you want to have a locking cap ...>>> Craig>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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My 2013 F150 also has no gas cap - just stick the nozzle in and pump away
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:38 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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>
> One thing of note I found odd - these vehicles don’t have gas caps!
> Apparently, there’s a shutter in the filler neck that seals everything off,
> so a cap would be redundant.
>

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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Thanks, Grant, I’ll do that. I’m putting together a list of some things I’ll 
provision it with, like a cargo area mat, first aid kit, high visibility safety 
vest (you can get these from Mercedes in a nice little rolled up package pretty 
cheap) and spare bulbs, etc.

The Mercedes safety vest part number is 000 583 43 00. They’re about $8-$9 from 
a discount/online dealer. I have one in all of my cars.

-D

> On Jul 3, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 15:37:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> One thing of note I found odd - these vehicles don’t have gas caps!
>> Apparently, there’s a shutter in the filler neck that seals everything
>> off, so a cap would be redundant.
> 
> Unless you want to have a locking cap ...
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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That feature makes it impossible to use a spare fuel jug to put fuel in the
tank...
You need a "special adaptor" that holds the flapper open while you put the
fuel jug in the hole.

FLAPS has the adaptors, pretty cheap... suggest one be added to the vehicle
survival kit and kept in the car just because.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:01 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 15:37:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > One thing of note I found odd - these vehicles don’t have gas caps!
> > Apparently, there’s a shutter in the filler neck that seals everything
> > off, so a cap would be redundant.
>
> Unless you want to have a locking cap ...
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 15:37:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> One thing of note I found odd - these vehicles don’t have gas caps!
> Apparently, there’s a shutter in the filler neck that seals everything
> off, so a cap would be redundant.

Unless you want to have a locking cap ...


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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Rick. With Mitch mentioning something about rear window hinges I 
inspected these closely and found nothing of concern.

I’m hoping it’s a good choice. Seems like a solid vehicle, and I’ve got 
experience with both Fords and Mazdas of this era, so if I do have to wrench on 
it I’m not worried about anything being out of my range of ability or skill.

One thing of note I found odd - these vehicles don’t have gas caps! Apparently, 
there’s a shutter in the filler neck that seals everything off, so a cap would 
be redundant.

More as I know it…

-D

> On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A bit of research tells me the biggest issues with this one are rust (in 
> Florida, I think not) and rear windshield leaks (in Florida might be an 
> issue). All in all probably a home run, or a least a triple. 
> 
> Good job dad!
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

A bit of research tells me the biggest issues with this one are rust (in 
Florida, I think not) and rear windshield leaks (in Florida might be an issue). 
All in all probably a home run, or a least a triple. 

Good job dad!

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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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I paid $4700 for my first Mercedes - a 9 year old 1973 280.  You paid the
same exactly for an 8 year old Ford.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:23 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Made the offer. $4700, he accepted. We’re going down around 12:30 to give
> him a deposit to hold it until Monday. We have video tellers at the credit
> union on Saturdays, but I don’t think they have the ability to disburse
> large sums of cash, so we’ll probably have to wait until Monday to close
> the deal.
>
> This is a relief. Now the eldest gets to spend some time cleaning up the
> E320 CDI in preparation for it’s departure.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 2, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My gf has a 2007 Ford Focus and it has proven reliable over the past 6+
> > years.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:53 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've always liked had good luck with Fords. Probably a good choice.
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
> >> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> >>
> >>> So we went and checked out the 2012 Escape with 137k, two owners, V6,
> >> etc.
> >>>
> >>> Very clean car, well maintained, clearly a Ford lease before the
> current
> >> owner purchased it for his high school aged daughter who put
> approximately
> >> 3,000 miles on it driving to/from home, school and work.
> >>>
> >>> It’s been maintained by a local indie shop I know that caters to a well
> >> to do clientele with a mix of nice domestic and high line cars. I’ll
> check
> >> in with them tomorrow if they’re open and get the dirt on this car.
> Owner
> >> had all his records so I pretty much saw everything he had done to it,
> all
> >> by the book and then some. He has detailed records on it showing it’s
> >> averaged around 25 mpg, which is pretty good with the six and
> considering
> >> daughter’s driving was all suburban surface streets at or below 45 mph.
> >>>
> >>> They had the sucky Ford telematics yanked and a nice double-DIN Pioneer
> >> unit installed professionally to the point where all of the steering
> wheel
> >> buttons work with it. It’s nicely done.
> >>>
> >>> It’s got a couple dings and a few stains in the carpet, but nothing a
> >> good Martha’ing can’t resolve.
> >>>
> >>> The guy bought the car for his daughter and clearly cared for it in a
> >> manner you expect.
> >>>
> >>> I’m going to call him in the morning and pull the trigger on it. I
> think
> >> it will suit the son just fine, he fits in it well and liked it.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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Made the offer. $4700, he accepted. We’re going down around 12:30 to give him a 
deposit to hold it until Monday. We have video tellers at the credit union on 
Saturdays, but I don’t think they have the ability to disburse large sums of 
cash, so we’ll probably have to wait until Monday to close the deal.

This is a relief. Now the eldest gets to spend some time cleaning up the E320 
CDI in preparation for it’s departure.

-D

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My gf has a 2007 Ford Focus and it has proven reliable over the past 6+
> years.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:53 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've always liked had good luck with Fords. Probably a good choice.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> So we went and checked out the 2012 Escape with 137k, two owners, V6,
>> etc.
>>> 
>>> Very clean car, well maintained, clearly a Ford lease before the current
>> owner purchased it for his high school aged daughter who put approximately
>> 3,000 miles on it driving to/from home, school and work.
>>> 
>>> It’s been maintained by a local indie shop I know that caters to a well
>> to do clientele with a mix of nice domestic and high line cars. I’ll check
>> in with them tomorrow if they’re open and get the dirt on this car. Owner
>> had all his records so I pretty much saw everything he had done to it, all
>> by the book and then some. He has detailed records on it showing it’s
>> averaged around 25 mpg, which is pretty good with the six and considering
>> daughter’s driving was all suburban surface streets at or below 45 mph.
>>> 
>>> They had the sucky Ford telematics yanked and a nice double-DIN Pioneer
>> unit installed professionally to the point where all of the steering wheel
>> buttons work with it. It’s nicely done.
>>> 
>>> It’s got a couple dings and a few stains in the carpet, but nothing a
>> good Martha’ing can’t resolve.
>>> 
>>> The guy bought the car for his daughter and clearly cared for it in a
>> manner you expect.
>>> 
>>> I’m going to call him in the morning and pull the trigger on it. I think
>> it will suit the son just fine, he fits in it well and liked it.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My gf has a 2007 Ford Focus and it has proven reliable over the past 6+
years.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:53 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've always liked had good luck with Fords. Probably a good choice.
>
> Allan
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > So we went and checked out the 2012 Escape with 137k, two owners, V6,
> etc.
> >
> > Very clean car, well maintained, clearly a Ford lease before the current
> owner purchased it for his high school aged daughter who put approximately
> 3,000 miles on it driving to/from home, school and work.
> >
> > It’s been maintained by a local indie shop I know that caters to a well
> to do clientele with a mix of nice domestic and high line cars. I’ll check
> in with them tomorrow if they’re open and get the dirt on this car. Owner
> had all his records so I pretty much saw everything he had done to it, all
> by the book and then some. He has detailed records on it showing it’s
> averaged around 25 mpg, which is pretty good with the six and considering
> daughter’s driving was all suburban surface streets at or below 45 mph.
> >
> > They had the sucky Ford telematics yanked and a nice double-DIN Pioneer
> unit installed professionally to the point where all of the steering wheel
> buttons work with it. It’s nicely done.
> >
> > It’s got a couple dings and a few stains in the carpet, but nothing a
> good Martha’ing can’t resolve.
> >
> > The guy bought the car for his daughter and clearly cared for it in a
> manner you expect.
> >
> > I’m going to call him in the morning and pull the trigger on it. I think
> it will suit the son just fine, he fits in it well and liked it.
> >
> > -D
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I've always liked had good luck with Fords. Probably a good choice.

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> So we went and checked out the 2012 Escape with 137k, two owners, V6, etc.
>
> Very clean car, well maintained, clearly a Ford lease before the current 
> owner purchased it for his high school aged daughter who put approximately 
> 3,000 miles on it driving to/from home, school and work.
>
> It’s been maintained by a local indie shop I know that caters to a well to do 
> clientele with a mix of nice domestic and high line cars. I’ll check in with 
> them tomorrow if they’re open and get the dirt on this car. Owner had all his 
> records so I pretty much saw everything he had done to it, all by the book 
> and then some. He has detailed records on it showing it’s averaged around 25 
> mpg, which is pretty good with the six and considering daughter’s driving was 
> all suburban surface streets at or below 45 mph.
>
> They had the sucky Ford telematics yanked and a nice double-DIN Pioneer unit 
> installed professionally to the point where all of the steering wheel buttons 
> work with it. It’s nicely done.
>
> It’s got a couple dings and a few stains in the carpet, but nothing a good 
> Martha’ing can’t resolve.
>
> The guy bought the car for his daughter and clearly cared for it in a manner 
> you expect.
>
> I’m going to call him in the morning and pull the trigger on it. I think it 
> will suit the son just fine, he fits in it well and liked it.
>
> -D
>

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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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So we went and checked out the 2012 Escape with 137k, two owners, V6, etc.

Very clean car, well maintained, clearly a Ford lease before the current owner 
purchased it for his high school aged daughter who put approximately 3,000 
miles on it driving to/from home, school and work.

It’s been maintained by a local indie shop I know that caters to a well to do 
clientele with a mix of nice domestic and high line cars. I’ll check in with 
them tomorrow if they’re open and get the dirt on this car. Owner had all his 
records so I pretty much saw everything he had done to it, all by the book and 
then some. He has detailed records on it showing it’s averaged around 25 mpg, 
which is pretty good with the six and considering daughter’s driving was all 
suburban surface streets at or below 45 mph.

They had the sucky Ford telematics yanked and a nice double-DIN Pioneer unit 
installed professionally to the point where all of the steering wheel buttons 
work with it. It’s nicely done.

It’s got a couple dings and a few stains in the carpet, but nothing a good 
Martha’ing can’t resolve.

The guy bought the car for his daughter and clearly cared for it in a manner 
you expect.

I’m going to call him in the morning and pull the trigger on it. I think it 
will suit the son just fine, he fits in it well and liked it.

-D


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 10:46:58 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Tyee165 IS Randy. He has never sorted the email app on his Samsung
>> Galaxy Tab A tablet. 
> 
> Thank you for pointing this out, Rick. I also was wondering what happened
> to Randy.
> 
> 
> Craig
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 10:46:58 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Tyee165 IS Randy. He has never sorted the email app on his Samsung
> Galaxy Tab A tablet. 

Thank you for pointing this out, Rick. I also was wondering what happened
to Randy.


Craig

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks like Ford and Mazda parted ways before the 2013 redesign. Nothing shared 
between either platform.

-D

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder - does anyone know if the later (Gen 3) Escapes were still shared 
> Mazda platforms like the earlier models?
> 
> Guess I need to do some research.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My in-laws have an '08 Fusion v6. They've been very happy with it and it's 
>> survived well despite minimal maintenance and ham handed repairs.
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:56 PM, Allan Streib via 
>> Mercedes wrote:   Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  writes:
>> 
>>> Buick or Chevy Impala with the 3800
>> 
>> If it were me I'd go with the Chevy. Buicks just seem to be your
>> grandparent's car. At least around here.
>> 
>> What about a Ford Fusion? They have a 3.5l V6 option, seem to be about
>> in your price range if you're looking at something in the neighborhood
>> of a 2010 model.
>> 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I wonder - does anyone know if the later (Gen 3) Escapes were still shared 
Mazda platforms like the earlier models?

Guess I need to do some research.

-D

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My in-laws have an '08 Fusion v6. They've been very happy with it and it's 
> survived well despite minimal maintenance and ham handed repairs.
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:56 PM, Allan Streib via 
> Mercedes wrote:   Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  writes:
> 
>> Buick or Chevy Impala with the 3800
> 
> If it were me I'd go with the Chevy. Buicks just seem to be your
> grandparent's car. At least around here.
> 
> What about a Ford Fusion? They have a 3.5l V6 option, seem to be about
> in your price range if you're looking at something in the neighborhood
> of a 2010 model.
> 
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> Speaking of Canadians, eh, whatever happened to Randy?
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:17 PM tyee165 via Mercedes 

Dude. You just replied to his comment. You basically asked Randy where Randy 
is. 

Tyee165 IS Randy. He has never sorted the email app on his Samsung Galaxy Tab A 
tablet. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My in-laws have an '08 Fusion v6. They've been very happy with it and it's 
survived well despite minimal maintenance and ham handed repairs.
Curt

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  On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:56 PM, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes wrote:   Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 writes:

> Buick or Chevy Impala with the 3800

If it were me I'd go with the Chevy. Buicks just seem to be your
grandparent's car. At least around here.

What about a Ford Fusion? They have a 3.5l V6 option, seem to be about
in your price range if you're looking at something in the neighborhood
of a 2010 model.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How old is he? My suggestion is the shoe leather express. The last vehicle my 
parents gave me, I was 18...
Curt

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  On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 7:13 PM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   So I had a conversation with the so 
tonight and he’s on board with a Buick, as he wants something large and a 
sedan. That effectively eliminates the Nissan, as it’s smaller.

With this in mind, I’m wondering what other possibilities there might be in 
this range? Here is my initial criteria:

$5000 or less
Full size four door sedan
Six cylinder engine for economy
Could be domestic or Asian (Toyota, Mazda, Nissan, etc.)
Probably looking for 2012 or older?

Toss me some suggestions besides the Buick. I’m pretty out of touch with this 
stuff as I never look at it.

Thanks!

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

And yet, he posted on the holiday and Andy replied to him...
Mitch

On Thu, July 2, 2020 9:57 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> He appears to be subscribed to digests. Probably taking the summer off,
> eh?
>
> -D
>
>
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Speaking of Canadians, eh, whatever happened to Randy?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:17 PM tyee165 via Mercedes



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He appears to be subscribed to digests. Probably taking the summer off, eh?

-D

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of Canadians, eh, whatever happened to Randy?
> 
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:17 PM tyee165 via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> No problem with western Canadian cars. Avoid cars from southern Ontario.
>> They have warmer, slushier winters and use a lot of salt. It gets cold
>> enough out here on the prairies that salt is not effective Sent from my
>> Galaxy Tab® A
>>  Original message From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2020-07-01  11:03  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes
>> Discussion List  Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania On Wed, July
>> 1, 2020 11:55 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:> The platform and
>> drivetrain is proven and has been in service for some> time, so I’m
>> comfortable with the choice.Which platform, 2008 Escape or 2009+ Escape?My
>> neighbors just gave away their 2008 LTD (leather) for rust issues, themain
>> problem being the upper shock mounts rotted away (there's a patchpanel for
>> that as it turns out, but they didn't want to pay for the bodywork). It's a
>> first generation Escape.2009 are second gen.Moral to the story: don't pay a
>> premium for an older Escape with only 60kmiles, when those 60k miles
>> happened inside the city of Toronto. As amatter of fact, it's not a bad
>> idea to avoid Canadian cars
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Got a line on what might be a decent prospect for the eldest:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lithia-2012-ford-escape-xlt-v6/7148700936.html
 


My only real concern is that it’s a six cylinder rather than the four. Mileage 
won’t be as good. On the good side, it’s priced well and has a good history. 
Leased vehicle for five years, then the current owner bought it and their 
daughter drove it in high school. That and it’s the last year of the second 
generation, and has some of the lowest reports of problems as a result.

Even better, it’s only about five miles from my house.

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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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Speaking of Canadians, eh, whatever happened to Randy?

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:17 PM tyee165 via Mercedes 
wrote:

> No problem with western Canadian cars. Avoid cars from southern Ontario.
> They have warmer, slushier winters and use a lot of salt. It gets cold
> enough out here on the prairies that salt is not effective Sent from my
> Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2020-07-01  11:03  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes
> Discussion List  Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania On Wed, July
> 1, 2020 11:55 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:> The platform and
> drivetrain is proven and has been in service for some> time, so I’m
> comfortable with the choice.Which platform, 2008 Escape or 2009+ Escape?My
> neighbors just gave away their 2008 LTD (leather) for rust issues, themain
> problem being the upper shock mounts rotted away (there's a patchpanel for
> that as it turns out, but they didn't want to pay for the bodywork). It's a
> first generation Escape.2009 are second gen.Moral to the story: don't pay a
> premium for an older Escape with only 60kmiles, when those 60k miles
> happened inside the city of Toronto. As amatter of fact, it's not a bad
> idea to avoid Canadian cars
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No problem with western Canadian cars. Avoid cars from southern Ontario. They 
have warmer, slushier winters and use a lot of salt. It gets cold enough out 
here on the prairies that salt is not effective Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 Date: 2020-07-01  11:03  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com Subject: 
Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania On Wed, July 1, 2020 11:55 
am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:> The platform and drivetrain is proven and 
has been in service for some> time, so I’m comfortable with the choice.Which 
platform, 2008 Escape or 2009+ Escape?My neighbors just gave away their 2008 
LTD (leather) for rust issues, themain problem being the upper shock mounts 
rotted away (there's a patchpanel for that as it turns out, but they didn't 
want to pay for the bodywork). It's a first generation Escape.2009 are second 
gen.Moral to the story: don't pay a premium for an older Escape with only 
60kmiles, when those 60k miles happened inside the city of Toronto. As amatter 
of fact, it's not a bad idea to avoid Canadian cars 
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If my son were a plumber I would PAY him to live at home.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:56 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Allan!
>
> Hondas are not on the radar, as I’ve seen and know of too many 2000-2010
> models that have issues for various reasons, not to mention most would not
> be adequate for his size.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The Ford 3.5 Ecoboost V6 has good reviews for the most part. If oil
> > changes have not been done on schedule watch for timing chain wear
> > (this will set a code at some point).
> >
> > https://www.underhoodservice.com/ford-3-5l-ecoboost-common-problems/
> >
> > It's also a Coil-on-Plug ignition which can be a PITA as it's six things
> > that could fail instead of one. But I don't know that this is a
> > particularly common trouble spot.
> >
> > Hondas have a reputation for value that they don't IMHO deserve. So I
> > think a CRV or Pilot will be more expensive for the same utility as an
> > Escape. Again IMHO.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> I don’t have an issue with an auction car if I had access to the
> auction. I don’t, nor do I know anyone who does, unfortunately.
> >>
> >> Surprisingly, the few private sellers I’m seeing are pricing their cars
> pretty reasonably. I presume that’s because they either want to move it or
> have done at least a minimal amount of research and are trying to beat the
> dealer’s prices.
> >>
> >> I hate to say it, but I take Internet reviews with a large block of
> salt. Since those who are most disgruntled are the likeliest to complain,
> the data these sites present is hardly empirical. How many of these cars
> were sold? What’s the percentage of failures? Etc., etc. There is certainly
> some validity to them, but I wouldn’t allow them to sway my opinion unless
> it was a really egregious example.
> >>
> >> The platform and drivetrain is proven and has been in service for some
> time, so I’m comfortable with the choice.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dan says:
> >>>
>  I patently refuse to pay dealer fees, as they’re >nothing more than
> profit being added onto the cost
> >>>
> >>> I know I've posted this question in the past, but maybe it bears
> repeating. What about a dealer auction car? Do you know anyone who has a
> dealers license and would be willing to purchase a vehicle for you or with
> you at auction? I know the sentiment is "ewe auction car", because you
> don't know what you're getting. That said a $99 subscription to Carfax
> would certainly help.
> >>>
> >>> I struggle with paying private owners who think their car is golden,
> or used car shysters at the buy here, pay here places. Let's face it, those
> dealers get what they paid for the car at auction in the down payment, and
> the weekly payment is pure profit.
> >>>
> >>> Why not cut out the middle man, perform due, overdue and neglected
> maintenance, detail it and Bob's your uncle?
> >>>
> >>> BTW, he may want to rethink the Escape idea.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.carcomplaints.com/worst_vehicles/
> >>>
> >>> https://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/Escape/
> >>>
> >>> A Honda Pilot, CR-V, or even a Chevy Tahoe might be a more reliable
> alternative.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.carcomplaints.com/best_vehicles/
> >>>
> >>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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Thanks, Allan!

Hondas are not on the radar, as I’ve seen and know of too many 2000-2010 models 
that have issues for various reasons, not to mention most would not be adequate 
for his size.

-D

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Ford 3.5 Ecoboost V6 has good reviews for the most part. If oil
> changes have not been done on schedule watch for timing chain wear
> (this will set a code at some point).
> 
> https://www.underhoodservice.com/ford-3-5l-ecoboost-common-problems/
> 
> It's also a Coil-on-Plug ignition which can be a PITA as it's six things
> that could fail instead of one. But I don't know that this is a
> particularly common trouble spot.
> 
> Hondas have a reputation for value that they don't IMHO deserve. So I
> think a CRV or Pilot will be more expensive for the same utility as an
> Escape. Again IMHO.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I don’t have an issue with an auction car if I had access to the auction. I 
>> don’t, nor do I know anyone who does, unfortunately.
>> 
>> Surprisingly, the few private sellers I’m seeing are pricing their cars 
>> pretty reasonably. I presume that’s because they either want to move it or 
>> have done at least a minimal amount of research and are trying to beat the 
>> dealer’s prices.
>> 
>> I hate to say it, but I take Internet reviews with a large block of salt. 
>> Since those who are most disgruntled are the likeliest to complain, the data 
>> these sites present is hardly empirical. How many of these cars were sold? 
>> What’s the percentage of failures? Etc., etc. There is certainly some 
>> validity to them, but I wouldn’t allow them to sway my opinion unless it was 
>> a really egregious example.
>> 
>> The platform and drivetrain is proven and has been in service for some time, 
>> so I’m comfortable with the choice.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dan says:
>>> 
 I patently refuse to pay dealer fees, as they’re >nothing more than profit 
 being added onto the cost
>>> 
>>> I know I've posted this question in the past, but maybe it bears repeating. 
>>> What about a dealer auction car? Do you know anyone who has a dealers 
>>> license and would be willing to purchase a vehicle for you or with you at 
>>> auction? I know the sentiment is "ewe auction car", because you don't know 
>>> what you're getting. That said a $99 subscription to Carfax would certainly 
>>> help.
>>> 
>>> I struggle with paying private owners who think their car is golden, or 
>>> used car shysters at the buy here, pay here places. Let's face it, those 
>>> dealers get what they paid for the car at auction in the down payment, and 
>>> the weekly payment is pure profit.
>>> 
>>> Why not cut out the middle man, perform due, overdue and neglected 
>>> maintenance, detail it and Bob's your uncle?
>>> 
>>> BTW, he may want to rethink the Escape idea. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.carcomplaints.com/worst_vehicles/
>>> 
>>> https://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/Escape/
>>> 
>>> A Honda Pilot, CR-V, or even a Chevy Tahoe might be a more reliable 
>>> alternative. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.carcomplaints.com/best_vehicles/
>>> 
>>> Rick
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The Ford 3.5 Ecoboost V6 has good reviews for the most part. If oil
changes have not been done on schedule watch for timing chain wear
(this will set a code at some point).

https://www.underhoodservice.com/ford-3-5l-ecoboost-common-problems/

It's also a Coil-on-Plug ignition which can be a PITA as it's six things
that could fail instead of one. But I don't know that this is a
particularly common trouble spot.

Hondas have a reputation for value that they don't IMHO deserve. So I
think a CRV or Pilot will be more expensive for the same utility as an
Escape. Again IMHO.

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> I don’t have an issue with an auction car if I had access to the auction. I 
> don’t, nor do I know anyone who does, unfortunately.
>
> Surprisingly, the few private sellers I’m seeing are pricing their cars 
> pretty reasonably. I presume that’s because they either want to move it or 
> have done at least a minimal amount of research and are trying to beat the 
> dealer’s prices.
>
> I hate to say it, but I take Internet reviews with a large block of salt. 
> Since those who are most disgruntled are the likeliest to complain, the data 
> these sites present is hardly empirical. How many of these cars were sold? 
> What’s the percentage of failures? Etc., etc. There is certainly some 
> validity to them, but I wouldn’t allow them to sway my opinion unless it was 
> a really egregious example.
>
> The platform and drivetrain is proven and has been in service for some time, 
> so I’m comfortable with the choice.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
>
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan says:
>> 
>>> I patently refuse to pay dealer fees, as they’re >nothing more than profit 
>>> being added onto the cost
>> 
>> I know I've posted this question in the past, but maybe it bears repeating. 
>> What about a dealer auction car? Do you know anyone who has a dealers 
>> license and would be willing to purchase a vehicle for you or with you at 
>> auction? I know the sentiment is "ewe auction car", because you don't know 
>> what you're getting. That said a $99 subscription to Carfax would certainly 
>> help.
>> 
>> I struggle with paying private owners who think their car is golden, or used 
>> car shysters at the buy here, pay here places. Let's face it, those dealers 
>> get what they paid for the car at auction in the down payment, and the 
>> weekly payment is pure profit.
>> 
>> Why not cut out the middle man, perform due, overdue and neglected 
>> maintenance, detail it and Bob's your uncle?
>> 
>> BTW, he may want to rethink the Escape idea. 
>> 
>> https://www.carcomplaints.com/worst_vehicles/
>> 
>> https://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/Escape/
>> 
>> A Honda Pilot, CR-V, or even a Chevy Tahoe might be a more reliable 
>> alternative. 
>> 
>> https://www.carcomplaints.com/best_vehicles/
>> 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Understood.

Just for grins, I put the 2007 Chevy Equinox in - not pretty, either, but one 
of the better model years for it apparently:

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Chevrolet/Equinox/2007/

But hey! At least it’s not in the Top Twenty most problematic vehicles. I 
enjoyed seeing that there were a number of Hondas in that list….

-D



> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> I hate to say it, but I take Internet reviews with a >large block of salt. 
> 
> I do too, but the more information you have, the better choices you can make. 
> Obviously a car with squeaks and rattles may get more complaints, but when 
> you have major issues (e.g. GM 3.4 intake gasket failures, Honda transmission 
> failures, etc.) it's good to have a heads up. Yes, any car can be repaired 
> with upgraded parts (3.5L Mercedes inline six diesel, 722.6 conductor plate), 
> but the point here is getting your son a reliable, gas and go vehicle. If a 
> vehicle has known failure points, they become very apparent in an internet 
> search. 
> 
> Rick
> 
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On Wed, July 1, 2020 12:09 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> I saw that they’ve had issues with shock mounts and rust, but
> everything I would consider that’s down here would be Florida cars.
>
> Are you aware of any issues between first and second gen models? That is,
> are first gens better than second gens?
>

I'm not aware of which is better, other than I'd assume 2gen is stiffer
and more crashworthy. Just pointing out that 2008-2010 is two different
cars.

Shortly after they bought it, before it had 100 megameters on the odo, the
glass hatch hinges failed. I got a good deal from a dealer out of state,
paid about $140 for the pair. The main hatches are good, apparently the
hinges that hold the glass to the hatch are not durable (you can either
open the hatch, or open the glass window in the hatch). I'd hope 2G fixed
the bad hinges.

Aside from sunroof leaks, hatch hinges, and rust, it was a pretty good car
for the five years they used it. I don't think it was really acceptable
for the sunroof and hatch to fail when they did.

They bought a 2017 Subaru last month. 10k miles, the selling dealer put
new tires on it and changed the oil as part of used car prep. Originally
registered in NYC, so 10k must include a lot of idling if it was a daily
driver. I've never seen new tires on an Outback with less than 11k on the
odo before. I hope they put 0W20 in it when they changed the oil.

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>I hate to say it, but I take Internet reviews with a >large block of salt. 

I do too, but the more information you have, the better choices you can make. 
Obviously a car with squeaks and rattles may get more complaints, but when you 
have major issues (e.g. GM 3.4 intake gasket failures, Honda transmission 
failures, etc.) it's good to have a heads up. Yes, any car can be repaired with 
upgraded parts (3.5L Mercedes inline six diesel, 722.6 conductor plate), but 
the point here is getting your son a reliable, gas and go vehicle. If a vehicle 
has known failure points, they become very apparent in an internet search. 

Rick


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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This looks like a nice one, private sale:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/ctd/d/clearwater-2007-chevy-equinox-only-109k/7141459286.html

??

-D

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would still recommend a GM product such as a equinox or maybe an older 
> trail blazer. Should be cheaper and easier to repair. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So I spoke to oldest son this morning before he headed out, and he’s 
>> decided that a Ford Escape would be a good fit for him. It was one of the 
>> options I suggested, as being a plumber, he really needs something that he 
>> can toss his tools and gear into.
>> 
>> I have begun the search. Lots and lots of 2008-2010 Escapes in the market 
>> right now, but darned near every one is at a dealer, dang it. Mostly Mom & 
>> Pop places, too.
>> 
>> I patently refuse to pay dealer fees, as they’re nothing more than profit 
>> being added onto the cost. I’ve messaged a couple of big dealers who had 
>> some nice vehicles, and they have dealer fees of $800!!
>> 
>> Nope.
>> 
>> Interestingly, nearly nothing on CL, lots on FB Marketplace, mostly M 
>> dealers, and some on Autotrader. Any other venues that I’m missing? Seems 
>> like there are very few of these being offered in private sales.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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I saw that they’ve had issues with shock mounts and rust, but everything I 
would consider that’s down here would be Florida cars.

Are you aware of any issues between first and second gen models? That is, are 
first gens better than second gens?

I’m still researching the vehicle, but since Kaleb mentioned the Equinox I’ve 
started looking at them, too. Not sure he’s big on a crossover, but then again, 
I don’t think he’s that particular to begin with…

Thanks!

-D

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, July 1, 2020 11:55 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> The platform and drivetrain is proven and has been in service for some
>> time, so I’m comfortable with the choice.
> 
> 
> Which platform, 2008 Escape or 2009+ Escape?
> My neighbors just gave away their 2008 LTD (leather) for rust issues, the
> main problem being the upper shock mounts rotted away (there's a patch
> panel for that as it turns out, but they didn't want to pay for the body
> work). It's a first generation Escape.
> 2009 are second gen.
> 
> Moral to the story: don't pay a premium for an older Escape with only 60k
> miles, when those 60k miles happened inside the city of Toronto. As a
> matter of fact, it's not a bad idea to avoid Canadian cars altogether.
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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On Wed, July 1, 2020 11:55 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> The platform and drivetrain is proven and has been in service for some
> time, so I’m comfortable with the choice.


Which platform, 2008 Escape or 2009+ Escape?
My neighbors just gave away their 2008 LTD (leather) for rust issues, the
main problem being the upper shock mounts rotted away (there's a patch
panel for that as it turns out, but they didn't want to pay for the body
work). It's a first generation Escape.
2009 are second gen.

Moral to the story: don't pay a premium for an older Escape with only 60k
miles, when those 60k miles happened inside the city of Toronto. As a
matter of fact, it's not a bad idea to avoid Canadian cars altogether.

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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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I don’t have an issue with an auction car if I had access to the auction. I 
don’t, nor do I know anyone who does, unfortunately.

Surprisingly, the few private sellers I’m seeing are pricing their cars pretty 
reasonably. I presume that’s because they either want to move it or have done 
at least a minimal amount of research and are trying to beat the dealer’s 
prices.

I hate to say it, but I take Internet reviews with a large block of salt. Since 
those who are most disgruntled are the likeliest to complain, the data these 
sites present is hardly empirical. How many of these cars were sold? What’s the 
percentage of failures? Etc., etc. There is certainly some validity to them, 
but I wouldn’t allow them to sway my opinion unless it was a really egregious 
example.

The platform and drivetrain is proven and has been in service for some time, so 
I’m comfortable with the choice.

Thanks!

-D

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan says:
> 
>> I patently refuse to pay dealer fees, as they’re >nothing more than profit 
>> being added onto the cost
> 
> I know I've posted this question in the past, but maybe it bears repeating. 
> What about a dealer auction car? Do you know anyone who has a dealers license 
> and would be willing to purchase a vehicle for you or with you at auction? I 
> know the sentiment is "ewe auction car", because you don't know what you're 
> getting. That said a $99 subscription to Carfax would certainly help.
> 
> I struggle with paying private owners who think their car is golden, or used 
> car shysters at the buy here, pay here places. Let's face it, those dealers 
> get what they paid for the car at auction in the down payment, and the weekly 
> payment is pure profit.
> 
> Why not cut out the middle man, perform due, overdue and neglected 
> maintenance, detail it and Bob's your uncle?
> 
> BTW, he may want to rethink the Escape idea. 
> 
> https://www.carcomplaints.com/worst_vehicles/
> 
> https://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/Escape/
> 
> A Honda Pilot, CR-V, or even a Chevy Tahoe might be a more reliable 
> alternative. 
> 
> https://www.carcomplaints.com/best_vehicles/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan says:

>I patently refuse to pay dealer fees, as they’re >nothing more than profit 
>being added onto the cost

I know I've posted this question in the past, but maybe it bears repeating. 
What about a dealer auction car? Do you know anyone who has a dealers license 
and would be willing to purchase a vehicle for you or with you at auction? I 
know the sentiment is "ewe auction car", because you don't know what you're 
getting. That said a $99 subscription to Carfax would certainly help.

I struggle with paying private owners who think their car is golden, or used 
car shysters at the buy here, pay here places. Let's face it, those dealers get 
what they paid for the car at auction in the down payment, and the weekly 
payment is pure profit.

Why not cut out the middle man, perform due, overdue and neglected maintenance, 
detail it and Bob's your uncle?

BTW, he may want to rethink the Escape idea. 

https://www.carcomplaints.com/worst_vehicles/

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/Escape/

A Honda Pilot, CR-V, or even a Chevy Tahoe might be a more reliable 
alternative. 

https://www.carcomplaints.com/best_vehicles/

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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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Fusion 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t have a problem with hybrids, per se, as I’ve driven them as loaners 
> and rentals and been quite impressed with the economy. However, I would 
> rather not get a vehicle with a technology and systems I have absolutely no 
> familiarity with. A regular IC drivetrain I can deal with, regardless of 
> manufacturer, but a hybrid system would be something totally new, and this is 
> neither the time nor place to be experimenting.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion, however. Of the Escapes I’ve seen listed there 
> aren’t many hybrids, maybe 1-2 out of 20-30 listings.
> 
> If I was looking for nothing more than a basic commuter car, Ford has a small 
> hybrid sedan who’s model name escapes me right now that I’ve driven that I 
> was impressed with.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:33 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know you are not a fan of hybrids but you might consider the Escape 
>> hybrid. A friend bought one used a few years ago and has had no issues with 
>> it.Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>>  Original message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  Date: 2020-07-01  09:22  (GMT-06:00) To: Okie Benz 
>>  Cc: Dan Penoff  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 
>> Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania So I spoke to oldest son this 
>> morning before he headed out, and he’s decided that a Ford Escape would be a 
>> good fit for him. It was one of the options I suggested, as being a plumber, 
>> he really needs something that he can toss his tools and gear into.I have 
>> begun the search. Lots and lots of 2008-2010 Escapes in the market right 
>> now, but darned near every one is at a dealer, dang it. Mostly Mom & Pop 
>> places, too.I patently refuse to pay dealer fees, as they’re nothing more 
>> than profit being added onto the cost. I’ve messaged a couple of big dealers 
>> who had some nice vehicles, and they have dealer fees of 
>> $800!!Nope.Interestingly, nearly nothing on CL, lots on FB Marketplace, 
>> mostly M dealers, and some on Autotrader. Any other venues that I’m 
>> missing? Seems like there are very few of these being offered in private 
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I would still recommend a GM product such as a equinox or maybe an older trail 
blazer. Should be cheaper and easier to repair. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So I spoke to oldest son this morning before he headed out, and he’s decided 
> that a Ford Escape would be a good fit for him. It was one of the options I 
> suggested, as being a plumber, he really needs something that he can toss his 
> tools and gear into.
> 
> I have begun the search. Lots and lots of 2008-2010 Escapes in the market 
> right now, but darned near every one is at a dealer, dang it. Mostly Mom & 
> Pop places, too.
> 
> I patently refuse to pay dealer fees, as they’re nothing more than profit 
> being added onto the cost. I’ve messaged a couple of big dealers who had some 
> nice vehicles, and they have dealer fees of $800!!
> 
> Nope.
> 
> Interestingly, nearly nothing on CL, lots on FB Marketplace, mostly M 
> dealers, and some on Autotrader. Any other venues that I’m missing? Seems 
> like there are very few of these being offered in private sales.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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I don’t have a problem with hybrids, per se, as I’ve driven them as loaners and 
rentals and been quite impressed with the economy. However, I would rather not 
get a vehicle with a technology and systems I have absolutely no familiarity 
with. A regular IC drivetrain I can deal with, regardless of manufacturer, but 
a hybrid system would be something totally new, and this is neither the time 
nor place to be experimenting.

Thanks for the suggestion, however. Of the Escapes I’ve seen listed there 
aren’t many hybrids, maybe 1-2 out of 20-30 listings.

If I was looking for nothing more than a basic commuter car, Ford has a small 
hybrid sedan who’s model name escapes me right now that I’ve driven that I was 
impressed with.

-D

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:33 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I know you are not a fan of hybrids but you might consider the Escape hybrid. 
> A friend bought one used a few years ago and has had no issues with it.Sent 
> from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  Date: 2020-07-01  09:22  (GMT-06:00) To: Okie Benz 
>  Cc: Dan Penoff  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 
> Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania So I spoke to oldest son this 
> morning before he headed out, and he’s decided that a Ford Escape would be a 
> good fit for him. It was one of the options I suggested, as being a plumber, 
> he really needs something that he can toss his tools and gear into.I have 
> begun the search. Lots and lots of 2008-2010 Escapes in the market right now, 
> but darned near every one is at a dealer, dang it. Mostly Mom & Pop places, 
> too.I patently refuse to pay dealer fees, as they’re nothing more than profit 
> being added onto the cost. I’ve messaged a couple of big dealers who had some 
> nice vehicles, and they have dealer fees of $800!!Nope.Interestingly, nearly 
> nothing on CL, lots on FB Marketplace, mostly M dealers, and some on 
> Autotrader. Any other venues that I’m missing? Seems like there are very few 
> of these being offered in private 
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I know you are not a fan of hybrids but you might consider the Escape hybrid. A 
friend bought one used a few years ago and has had no issues with it.Sent from 
my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 Date: 2020-07-01  09:22  (GMT-06:00) To: Okie Benz 
 Cc: Dan Penoff  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 
Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania So I spoke to oldest son this morning 
before he headed out, and he’s decided that a Ford Escape would be a good fit 
for him. It was one of the options I suggested, as being a plumber, he really 
needs something that he can toss his tools and gear into.I have begun the 
search. Lots and lots of 2008-2010 Escapes in the market right now, but darned 
near every one is at a dealer, dang it. Mostly Mom & Pop places, too.I patently 
refuse to pay dealer fees, as they’re nothing more than profit being added onto 
the cost. I’ve messaged a couple of big dealers who had some nice vehicles, and 
they have dealer fees of $800!!Nope.Interestingly, nearly nothing on CL, lots 
on FB Marketplace, mostly M dealers, and some on Autotrader. Any other venues 
that I’m missing? Seems like there are very few of these being offered in 
private 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So I spoke to oldest son this morning before he headed out, and he’s decided 
that a Ford Escape would be a good fit for him. It was one of the options I 
suggested, as being a plumber, he really needs something that he can toss his 
tools and gear into.

I have begun the search. Lots and lots of 2008-2010 Escapes in the market right 
now, but darned near every one is at a dealer, dang it. Mostly Mom & Pop 
places, too.

I patently refuse to pay dealer fees, as they’re nothing more than profit being 
added onto the cost. I’ve messaged a couple of big dealers who had some nice 
vehicles, and they have dealer fees of $800!!

Nope.

Interestingly, nearly nothing on CL, lots on FB Marketplace, mostly M 
dealers, and some on Autotrader. Any other venues that I’m missing? Seems like 
there are very few of these being offered in private sales.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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>>Buick or Chevy Impala with the 3800


>What is the Chevy equivalent of the larger Buicks? 

Impala. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Impala

Apparently the eighth generation was the last with the 3800. 

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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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On Tue, June 30, 2020 6:28 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> What is the Chevy equivalent of the larger Buicks? Do they share a
> platform? I had a late 90s Malibu as a company car for a bit, and it was
> pretty small. I'm not familiar with the Impala, guess I need to have a
> look.

Those 90s Malibus had their own bodies on the N platform (Achieva/Grand Am).
My mom had one, my cousin's future son in law drove a 4 door Cavalier.
One time I took Mom's Malibu (actually a Classic) to my cousin's shop, the
kid's fiance came over, and I tried to get my car parts out of the trunk
of his Cavalier.

The Impala was a RWD on the Caprice platform for a while, then it became
(and still is) Chevy's biggest FWD sedan. There was a squad car version of
the first generation, but the Crown Vic killed it in the marketplace,
before the Explorer/Tahoe/etc killed the sedans. I don't know if the FWD
Impala ever had a pushrod engine. One of my clients used to do delivery
work in a first gen FWD, I think it had a 3.5 engine. He put a junkyard
engine in it at around 250k, and swapped junkyard engines when they hit
about 200-300k. I think it had over 400k on the chassis when he quit
driving it.

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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What is the Chevy equivalent of the larger Buicks? Do they share a platform? I 
had a late 90s Malibu as a company car for a bit, and it was pretty small. I’m 
not familiar with the Impala, guess I need to have a look.

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:55 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Buick or Chevy Impala with the 3800
> 
> If it were me I'd go with the Chevy. Buicks just seem to be your
> grandparent's car. At least around here.
> 
> What about a Ford Fusion? They have a 3.5l V6 option, seem to be about
> in your price range if you're looking at something in the neighborhood
> of a 2010 model.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

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Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:

> Buick or Chevy Impala with the 3800

If it were me I'd go with the Chevy. Buicks just seem to be your
grandparent's car. At least around here.

What about a Ford Fusion? They have a 3.5l V6 option, seem to be about
in your price range if you're looking at something in the neighborhood
of a 2010 model.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Rick! This is the sort of advice I’m looking for. I really appreciate 
this.

I had totally forgotten about the Avalon, and it’s a definite possibility. To 
my point, I don’t pay attention to other cars, so a lot of what’s out there 
just slides by me without being noticed. Just pointing out alternatives like 
the Avalon out broadens the field, which is what I’m trying to do.

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Toyota Avalon, Toyota Camry, Lexus ES3xx, Lexus LS400, Lexus LS430, Lexus 
> LS460, Mercury Grand Marquis (v8 though), Crown Vic (also v8). The big lexus 
> is also v8. Buick or Chevy Impala with the 3800,. How about a Prius? They are 
> ugly, but huge inside. They are used for cabs, so I would think they are 
> reliable. You have stated that you really like the W210 as a gas and go car, 
> I wouldn't rule one of those out either.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Probably on your street, haha. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Geez Dan, there are a lot of geezer mobiles near you. 
> 
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Toyota Avalon, Toyota Camry, Lexus ES3xx, Lexus LS400, Lexus LS430, Lexus 
LS460, Mercury Grand Marquis (v8 though), Crown Vic (also v8). The big lexus is 
also v8. Buick or Chevy Impala with the 3800,. How about a Prius? They are 
ugly, but huge inside. They are used for cabs, so I would think they are 
reliable. You have stated that you really like the W210 as a gas and go car, I 
wouldn't rule one of those out either.











Probably on your street, haha. 









Geez Dan, there are a lot of geezer mobiles near you. 

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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

An S body?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 7:13 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> So I had a conversation with the so tonight and he’s on board with a
> Buick, as he wants something large and a sedan. That effectively eliminates
> the Nissan, as it’s smaller.
>
> With this in mind, I’m wondering what other possibilities there might be
> in this range? Here is my initial criteria:
>
> $5000 or less
> Full size four door sedan
> Six cylinder engine for economy
> Could be domestic or Asian (Toyota, Mazda, Nissan, etc.)
> Probably looking for 2012 or older?
>
> Toss me some suggestions besides the Buick. I’m pretty out of touch with
> this stuff as I never look at it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Exactly. That’s what he needs, and he doesn’t care about what he drives for the 
most part, although he does like the E320 CDI. But - he’s smart enough to 
realize there’s no possible way he could afford to keep it on the road if he 
had to pay for the repair and maintenance. This is important from a standpoint 
of being self-aware.

Looks like the 3.8l was used until 2008, and in 2009 they changed to the 3.9l 
with AFM. I may have to narrow my search criteria.

-D


> On Jun 29, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I really like the Buick idea. They are boring and reliable and should get 
> decent fuel economy.  This is the route I recommended with the kid here but 
> they did not go for it. No idea why. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So I had a conversation with the so tonight and he’s on board with a Buick, 
>> as he wants something large and a sedan. That effectively eliminates the 
>> Nissan, as it’s smaller.
>> 
>> With this in mind, I’m wondering what other possibilities there might be in 
>> this range? Here is my initial criteria:
>> 
>> $5000 or less
>> Full size four door sedan
>> Six cylinder engine for economy
>> Could be domestic or Asian (Toyota, Mazda, Nissan, etc.)
>> Probably looking for 2012 or older?
>> 
>> Toss me some suggestions besides the Buick. I’m pretty out of touch with 
>> this stuff as I never look at it.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I really like the Buick idea. They are boring and reliable and should get 
decent fuel economy.  This is the route I recommended with the kid here but 
they did not go for it. No idea why. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So I had a conversation with the so tonight and he’s on board with a Buick, 
> as he wants something large and a sedan. That effectively eliminates the 
> Nissan, as it’s smaller.
> 
> With this in mind, I’m wondering what other possibilities there might be in 
> this range? Here is my initial criteria:
> 
> $5000 or less
> Full size four door sedan
> Six cylinder engine for economy
> Could be domestic or Asian (Toyota, Mazda, Nissan, etc.)
> Probably looking for 2012 or older?
> 
> Toss me some suggestions besides the Buick. I’m pretty out of touch with this 
> stuff as I never look at it.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -D
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oldest Son's New Car was W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So I had a conversation with the so tonight and he’s on board with a Buick, as 
he wants something large and a sedan. That effectively eliminates the Nissan, 
as it’s smaller.

With this in mind, I’m wondering what other possibilities there might be in 
this range? Here is my initial criteria:

$5000 or less
Full size four door sedan
Six cylinder engine for economy
Could be domestic or Asian (Toyota, Mazda, Nissan, etc.)
Probably looking for 2012 or older?

Toss me some suggestions besides the Buick. I’m pretty out of touch with this 
stuff as I never look at it.

Thanks!

-D


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