Re: [MOSAIC] monitoring comprehension

2008-08-15 Thread Deb Smith
I have several pages on this on my website.  www.debrennersmith.com

Fix it strategies
Beanie baby strategies


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and Smith
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Kile
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:46 PM
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Have you checked out the book Strategies That Work? There is a (new, I
think) chapter on Monitoring Comprehension. All the other strategy chapters
have lessons--that one may, also.

Melissa/VA/2nd

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM, ncteach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Everyone!

 I plan on spending the first couple of weeks with my sixth graders
 exploring
 monitoring comprehension. (I will need to do this with fiction due to my
 pacing guide.)  Does anyone have a terrific first day lesson plan that
 would
 work with 6th graders to introduce the topic?

 I would love to use a picture book and model the inner thinking.

 Thanks in advance for any help. I'm so stressed out right now, I can't
 think
 myself.  :)

 Kim



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Re: [MOSAIC] Wayne State Education Sutdent

2008-08-10 Thread Deb Smith
Richard (Dick) Allington who has done a lot of research with fluency and is
a former IRA president has indicated that we need to be very careful about
teaching children to rely on us.  Children need lots of word fix-up
strategies instead of look at the teacher for a word.  Whenever a child
looks at me, I say try something.  If that doesn't help, I remember the word
coaching strategies that reading recovery recommends.  They have several
wonderful books about child watching.  The word is not on our face so we
want the children to look at the words on the book and try something based
on what they are reading.  Marie Clay's work is very helpful to beginning
reading teachers.  

Debra Renner Smith
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Beyond Retelling Toward Higher Level Thinking and Big Ideas by Cunningham
and Smith
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 Hi Everyone,
 My name's Kelly Frank and I'm a Wayne State student in the RLL4430 class
 for reading strategies.  In our reading and discussions we've talked about
 oral reading records.  I wanted to ask all of you a question and hopefully
 get some feedback on it.  My question is, For oral reading records how
long
 do you wait for children to give their answers before telling them the
 correct word.  Thanks and I hope to hear from you.


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Re: [MOSAIC] sundance vs primary toolkit

2008-05-23 Thread Deb Smith
If you call Sundance and tell them your state, they will send you a sample
kit to look at. You will have to pay for it if you do not return it.

Debra Renner Smith
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and Smith
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I have been following this thread with great interest as my school district 
looks for a new language arts program.  The one that the committe likes so 
far is Rigby's Literacy by Design.  If anyone out there uses this program, 
please e-mail me off the list to give your opinions.

However, I would really like our district to adopt a reading workshop 
approach.  From what I'm gathering from the conversation on this list, I 
should suggest that they look at the Sundanace program.  It sounds like this

would better suit our needs since none of our teachers currently teach 
comprehension strategies in a workshop approach. I also like that there is a

non-fiction and fiction piece to the program.

Can anyone give me any information on where I can contact Sundance to get 
either a sample kit or even purchase a kit?

Thanks,
Felicia 



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Re: [MOSAIC] sundance vs primary toolkit

2008-05-22 Thread Deb Smith

Hi Linda,

Thanks for this feedback! I did not see the quick
assessment piece; thanks for pointing that feature
out.  I agree with your opinion on the think-alouds. 
I think that most of those are designed for the
teacher brand-new to strategy teaching or for those
who are uncomfortable or unsure about how to begin
think alouds...once there's a comfort level, I don't
know too many teachers who rely on the examples.

-- I don't think that any teacher should be mandated to use examples such as
the ones in the Sundance kit.  What I like and appreciate about the ones in
the Sundance kit are the think aloud examples.  I am an author, I am also a
reading and writing coach and consultant.  One of the concerns that many
teachers voice to me when I coach them is concerning the language and the
words they use when teaching reading.  Sometimes it is regarding the
thinking strategies or a reading skill.  Many experienced or inexperienced
teachers appreciate have the language examples spelled out.  What I help
teachers do is re-write them in their own teacher friendly language.  What I
mean by this,... is make it each individual teachers.  I agree that the
experienced teacher often has awesome lessons under their belts.  What I
appreciate about the sundance kits, is that they give teachers a couple more
that do not need a lot of adapting.  


Thanks again...though now I really want a kit!!
lisa szyska
2/3 IL
*
 I did not always like the
 think-aloud examples in  
 the teacher's guide, so I used what I thought was
 better.  But, I  
 think we will always use our best judgement and
 adapt whatever we use.
 



  

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Re: [MOSAIC] Comprehension Toolkit 3-5

2008-05-10 Thread Deb Smith
I personally prefer the Sundance materials by Gambrell better than the
Harvey materials.  Sundance has gradual release built into the materials
really really well!  The materials are awesome!

Debra Renner Smith
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and Smith
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Sundance has both fiction and nonfiction in the materials Linda Gambrell
contributed to.

 Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:19:07 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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3-5  -\ are the mentor texts and lessons geared mostly to non-fiction? 
The upper grade Toolkit has quite a bit of nonfiction, but it also uses
historical fiction. There aren't enough lessons to teach an entire year, so
there is plenty of space for you to use the strategies taught with fiction.
I found it a wonderful resource that I pull from every few weeks, but do not
use it by itself.
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Re: [MOSAIC] writing programs

2008-04-21 Thread Deb Smith
I have not looked at the curriculum maps, but there are posted maps on the
Heinemann site for Lucy's work showing how she suggests using her books for
K-2 and 3-5.  Denver's Public schools also has mapped sharing the materials.
deb

Debra Renner Smith
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 How have you decided to create a K, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, program with
  Calkinswork
 as it is K-2 and 3-5?
 Maxine


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Re: [MOSAIC] Writing to be displayed for public viewing-should it be perfect?

2008-04-12 Thread Deb Smith
Deb wrote:  


Susan, I have heard, experienced, and read about this debate in schools for
many years as you have experienced too.  Both sides can argue both sides
really well.  

The advice I give is simple.  If children are reading the writing to learn
to read, it should be in the correct form.  For example, if a book is
'published' in a first grade classroom and other first graders are going to
read it, then the word w-e-n-t should be spelled correctly so that the other
kids can learn to read 'went.' Students already see too many opportunities
of a misspelled 'wint' or 'whent.'   This book might be included in a self
selected reading opportunity.  


OR

A piece of writing is 'published' and read only by the writer.  For example,
the writer published the piece.  The writer 'reads the writing' to the
class.  The writer knows what was written so it is not a problem for anyone
that some of the words are misspelled or missing.  This book should not be
part of another child's reading curriculum.  

I don't claim to have the final word, this is simply how I have come to live
with publishing both ways.  deb

Debra Renner Smith, 
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Beyond Retelling Toward Higher Level Thinking and Big Ideas 
Writing Mini-Lessons for Second Grade

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Question by Susan:  
 I am a Reading Recovery Teacher and my teacher-leader (from New
Zealand) was quite fanatical about the fact that everything on the walls
needed to be a perfect model because children would be the audience.  Her
feeling was that if it was worthy of publishing or display it should be a
model for all who read it.

  My colleagues and I have looked in various places to see if research
exists (either way) on this subject.  I have ventured into most of Marie
Clay's work...this just isn't something that appears in the contents or
index.  How do you feel about this?  Is it an issue, or is it more important
for children to display whatever THEY think is worthy?



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Re: [MOSAIC] Writing to be displayed for public viewing-should it be perfect?

2008-04-12 Thread Deb Smith

At a recent 4Blocks Leadership Conference, this question was posed to Jim
Cunningham ( husband of Pat and an expert himself).  His answer was that
it is completely a political issue: what the building or district expects.  

Since you know him, Deb, I would imagine his personal feelings on the matter
are very much like yours.  There is no offical policy on this in my school
so I do just what you outlined in your response.  Suzi


Yes, you have spoken his position well.  He also stated and I agree that we
have to be careful 'what clothes we wear.'  What he meant by this was that
Board members, news media, parents who do not understand do not know or
understand about writer's development, walk our hallways.  We must wear our
best clothes out in public.  I use this analogy with my students.  When the
papers go public, they need to get fancy.  

I am more than happy to send my book to my editor before it is published.  I
am also proud to say, my first editor (my father) was impressed with my
ability to writer and edit.  Then the book went to a wonderful person, the
editor who edits lots of books.  As I share the process with students, they
understand that writing is a process.  deb


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[MOSAIC] so to piggy back... the sundance kit

2008-03-22 Thread Deb Smith

Hi,
In my experience with both, the best way to tell the difference is as
follows:
Comprehension Toolkit is designed for Shared Reading (all children have
access to the text.) I do agree that some of the texts are too difficult and
ordering the supplemental toolkit texts might be worthwhile.
Making Meaning is designed for Read Aloud (the children do not have a copy
of the text and the teacher does the reading)  This program offers much
higher teacher support, as a read aloud should.
So, in thinking about what to order, think about if you are looking for a
Shared Reading or Read Aloud program. 

I know the Toolkit with Harvey and Sundance...

Sundance is set up with gradual release model that kids actual CAN READ the
text.

Lesson one - teacher models
Lesson two - teacher and students work through lesson together (partners)
Lesson three - tons of differentiation set up in the lesson

COLORFUL wonderful materials

Preassessments and Post

Weakness, if any, are there are 6 sets of lessons. One for each strategy.  I
find I use them to initial teach the strategy then use other materials.
This is NOT a reading program.  This is HOW to teach the strategy and they
are awesome because you do NOT HAVE TO COPY anything at the copy machine if
you do not want to!


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[MOSAIC] Sundance Comprehension Strategies Kit

2008-03-19 Thread Deb Smith

Does anyone know the difference  between these two comprehension
programs:
Making Meaning by Developmental Studies Center and Comprehension
Strategies Kit by Sundance Publishers?


Sundance materials have built in gradual release. They are consistent. They
are very well written.  I appreciate that they were written by Linda
Gambrell. High quality.  I have several schools I work with that are
awesome!  


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[MOSAIC] synthesis...responding to Keene

2008-03-16 Thread Deb Smith
My book, Beyond Retelling, is one technique for teaching synthesis. It is
not a skill or strategy.  It is simply a way of turning Bloom's upside down
and getting kids to read two books, think of the theme of the two books and
synthesis the theme.  It is specific teaching technique, called Thinking
Theme that helps students synthesize and think this deeply. I was in a first
grade classroom last week.  They read frog and toad books and Stellaluna.
Then we did the thinking theme technique to discuss tolerating our
friends.  The students wrote a personal narrative about a time in their life
they showed acceptance of someone.  It is truly a synthesis. The kids were
highly successful.  I see this over and over.  I presented this at Michigan
Reading Association this year and International Reading Association last
year.  If anyone is trying to teach synthesis try thinking theme.

Debra Renner Smith
Author, Writing and Reading Consultant
Beyond Retelling Toward Higher Level Thinking and Big Ideas by Cunningham
and Smith
Writing Mini-Lessons for Second Grade by Cunningham, Hall, Smith
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I had to miss MRA this year because of commitments elsewhere -- I always
love that conference.  I'm so interested in your comments today and wanted
to weigh in a bit. 


I find today's Mosaic list serv discussion about Sharon Taberski's sessions
at MRA fascinating. I couldn't agree more that strategies are the tools to
enhance rather than the end game in comprehension, but am concerned about
how we define and describe comprehension.  Why and to what end are we
teaching comprehension strategies?  That's why I wrote To Understand -- I
worry that our expectations may not be commensurate with children's
potential and intellect.

In terms of the developmental appropriateness of strategies like synthesis,
I believe that we wouldn't even be asking questions like that if we had a
different way of thinking about comprehension.  I also wish those who are
concerned about developmental appropriateness could observe, not only Debbie
Miller's former first graders, but thousands of other very young children
(including some I worked with this week in Northbrook and Midlothian IL) use
strategies such as synthesis and inference to dramatically enhance their
understanding.  Why on earth would we withhold that kind of intellectual
engagement from them?

Just some thoughts. . . 

Very best,
ellin
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Recently in one of my masters classes our professor introduced us to Love
That Dog by Sharon Creech. It's a great book for young adolescents written
in the form of a student composition notebook. A boy named Jack has to
record poetry in his journal for an ELA unit, but he hates poetry.
Throughout his entries (which are all poems themselves) you see his writing
and his attitudes on poetry evolve. It's fantastic.

Here's the Barnes  Noble link if you're interested:
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-Shannon
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Re: [MOSAIC] Guided Reading in Intermediate?

2008-03-11 Thread Deb Smith
I have used Four Blocks in lower and upper grades and find
it easy to incorporate with any program and fairly inexpensive. Patricia
Cunningham and Cheryl Sigmon developed an awesome idea.


TO CLARIFY - Dottie Hall developed this AWESOME idea with PAT Cunningham.
NOT Cheryl Sigmon.



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Re: [MOSAIC] Guided Reading in Intermediate?

2008-03-11 Thread Deb Smith

 Sorry I forgot Dottie Hall's name. I apologize. Cheryl Sigmon was one of
the teachers who helped incorporate it. She is a co-author on the
original  four block book. I guess I love the fact that these teachers
had such great ideas I forget the specifics.

Again I apologize for any misinformation. I'll be more careful who I credit.

Rhonda


NO PROBLEM.  Just wanted to clarify. I know this is a huge list so I wanted
to make sure people know that Dottie Hall was an equal part of the creation
of this.  Cheryl is one of the 15 or so presenters that Pat and Dottie trust
to train Four Blocks.  They say so by listing her on their website.  She is
an awesome person.  

Have a great day! deb




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Re: [MOSAIC] Best IRI

2008-03-07 Thread Deb Smith

I used the Jerry John's IRI for 12 years. I don't know if it was the 'best',
but I liked it because it was quick and easy. deb

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What INFORMAL READING INVENTORY (IRI) do you prefer? I have used the
Stieglitz, Burns  Roe, Silvarolli and a few from reading textbooks. We use
the DRA for grades 1 and 2 at present but we switch to the IRI in grades 3
and 4, largely because of time constraints. 

I have seen some reviews of Burns and Roe in which people feel some of the
passages are very dated. The Silvarolli (in my opinion) is the least
accurate. I like the Stieglitz for a number of reasons. Any thoughts about
any of these or other IRIs? And what about the QRI? How does it compare?

Thanks for your advice! :)

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Re: [MOSAIC] Guided Reading in Intermediate/now K

2008-03-04 Thread Deb Smith
My book, Beyond Retelling, teaches theme and the concept of 'theme' really
well.  It is being used effectively by teachers in grades K-8.  It is
marketed for teachers 2-8 with no adjustments.  K-1 teachers have to adjust
the writing portion, but not the thinking portion of the ideas. The themes I
teach are related to deep thinking, like telling the truth, integrity,
cooperation, etc.  Not dinosaurs. 

deb



Hey Joy!
I use parts of Building Blocks. It is  a wonderful program!   Elaine
Williams 
came and did an  in-service for our Kindergarten teacher several years ago.

I do so many  parts of so many things, I have to stop and think of what came

from where!
 I LOVE Reading with Meaning.  I even have the Happy Reading  video.  I have

watched it many times.  Debbie Miller is a  wonderful teacher and  I love 
watching her in action.
I just wondered if Deb Smith's new book is something appropriate for  
Kindergartenlike I need more books to read!  I love reading her answers
and 
responses on here.  
Thanks for the suggestions.  I agree with you!  Building Blocks  and Reading

with Meaning can enhance any Kindergarten program.  Jane in SC  :-)
 
 
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Jane,
Building Blocks is for Kindergarten.

Have you read Reading With Meaning by Debbie Miller? Her book is  like a
road 
map for primary grades. I believe her class was second grade, but  you can 
adapt what she does for your little ones.


 



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Re: [MOSAIC] Guided Reading in Intermediate?

2008-03-03 Thread Deb Smith
The Teachers Guide To Big Blocks By Cunningham the original developer of the
philosophy might help you. deb

Debra Renner Smith
Author, Writing and Reading Consultant
Beyond Retelling Toward Higher Level Thinking and Big Ideas by Cunningham
and Smith
Writing Mini-Lessons for Second Grade by Cunningham, Hall, Smith
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Re: [MOSAIC] comprehension kit question

2008-03-03 Thread Deb Smith
Sundance Newbridge Kit is awesome is was written by the current
International Reading Association President, Linda Gambrell.  It honors and
uses the MOT's thinking strategies and skills.  

I think it is simple to use and clear.  I have all the kits for grades 1-5
fiction and nonfiction.

I like them better than Harvey's kits. deb


I am a Literacy Coach in a grades 3 and 4 school.  Some of my  
teachers are interested in ordering a comprehension skills kit to  
augment their guided reading instruction.  I am looking at samples  
from Harvey's Comprehension Toolkit, Sundance Newbridge's  
Comprehension Strategies Kit, and Mondo's Now I Get It.If you  
have used any of these, please let me know what your thoughts are.  I  
am also open to looking at any other materials that you have found  
helpful.
Thanks,
Linda


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Re: [MOSAIC] Guided Reading in Intermediate?

2008-03-03 Thread Deb Smith
Joy - I appreciate your kind words!  It is so much fun hearing from people
the paths they have taken.  Pat has been a blessing in my life.  I don't
know if you have read Pat's and my newest book, Beyond Retelling Toward
Higher Level Thinking and Big Ideas,  by Cunningham and Smith, published by
Pearson, Allyn and Bacon.  It is a great comprehension teaching tool that
many teachers have found helpful.
deb




Deb,
  The Four Blocks series of books is what led me to MOT, via Debbie Miller's
Reading With Meaning. Although I now teach fourth grade, many of the
procedures, strategies, and philosophies still thread their way through my
lessons every day. 
   
  (BTW, Deb, your book led me to Lucy Calkins and the world of writing
workshop. I can't imagine teaching any other way now!)










   
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Re: [MOSAIC] DRA 2 in Sept. for first graders

2008-02-17 Thread Deb Smith
You are not off list

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This is off-list, so it's just me.  I've never seen Pacific, but some of the
publishers just caught on to the marketing titles and size and forgot to do
anything of substance inside.  We have Rigby, Wright, National Geographic,
Rosen, Newbridge, Red Brick, Yellow Umbrella, and a few others.  Scholastic
works well with using a lexile index, but aren't written in the supportive
ways that Rigby is.  I also think Rigby is superior at the lower levels.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:02:57 -0500 To:
mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] DRA 2 in Sept. for first
graders  I like Rigby PM ... we have Pacific Learning and I'm
disappointed... not  enough difference between the gradients... I also like
trade books by scholastic  though their correlated levels don't really
match DRA... I think Scholastic  is a bit more difficult... but we are only
beginning our search... what do the  rest of you find?   
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Re: [MOSAIC] DRA 2 in Sept. for first graders

2008-02-17 Thread Deb Smith
My book I wrote with Pat Cunningham is a good start - grin!  deb

Beyond Retelling:  Toward Higher Level Thinking and Big Ideas
Patricia M. Cunningham and Debra Renner Smith


What books would you suggest to use to teach retelling.
Pat K



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Re: [MOSAIC] rti conversation

2008-02-16 Thread Deb Smith
The state of Michigan has MLPP which has a ton of Research backing it.
There have been articles, etc. Michigan Literacy Progress Profile.  Then
Dibels happened

Some / a lot of districts now use both.  deb

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The information we have is from our state department of ed.  I am
wondering... is this going to be like Reading First and vary from state to
state in terms of how it is interpretted?

Lori


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 We are using DIBELS and will continue to do so, but we are having
conversations now about how to go deeper into diagnosis of phonics/phonemic
awareness concerns. Also, the gap between a good reading rate and a good
score on the state test - which in Delaware is a least 50% higher level
questions that require written answers - is a concern. The only thing that
matters on it is higher level comprehension skills. 
 
 
 
 The RtI requirements ask for a universal screening instrument and use
the term scientifically research based, so I am not hopeful that any
district developed instrument will pass muster. However, we are still going
to work on that. I think the people at our dept. of education will as well.
 
 
 
 Cathy
 
 
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 Cathy,
 
 I agree, we need to help each other out as much as possible with RtI.
Having 
 just adopted the DRA2 for grades K05 (K-3 previously used the old
version), our 
 primary issue right out of the gate is fluency, and more specifically
rate. I 
 just met with our Exceptional Education director yesterday and we are
concerned 
 that RtI may force us to bring back DIBLES, which I helped put to rest
last 
 year.  One of our schools has purchased the new Fountas and Pinnell
calculators, 
 making it posible to easily caculate a rate score with every running
record.  I 
 suggested that we consider asking for a weekly running record for
'progress 
 monitoring', rather than use the DIBLES.  Our teachers are already doing
running 
 records, so it looks like a way to naturally incorporate this rather
unnatural 
 process of timing.   We are going to see if this will fly.
 
 A second issue of concern is related to phonemic awareness.  I think a
wider 
 review of the research (including what was knowingly excluded by the NRP) 
 suggests a chicken and the egg conversation--which comes first, what is a 
 bi-product of what.  I want to avoid having to use DIBELS and those darned

 nonsense words if possible.  Cathy, and others, how are you planning to
address 
 this concern?
 
 Lori
 
 
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 Date: 2008, 15, Friday Of February 15:01
 Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] rti conversation
 
  
  We are dealing with the same situation in experimenting with RtI this
year, 
 before it is required next year. It will be tough to find a comprehension 
 assessment that we can do quickly enough to use for progress monitoring.
Our 
 older students are all over the map with the retell. Many of the very
competent 
 students summarize, which is a higher level skill, rather than retell. So
their 
 dibels scores look bad, but they can comprehend just fine. Since we will
all be 
 in the same boat very soon, we should all collaborate on the development
of a 
 comprehension assessment that deals with strategies. We are actually 
 experimenting with the ones form Keene's assessment book. 
  
  
  
  Cathy 
  
  DE
  
  K-5
  
  
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 mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
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  Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] rti conversation
  
  
  
  
  Thanks for this message.  You just gave me my aha moment.  We moved to
  DRA2 testing this year.  Our initial testing put the majority of our
  kids below grade level, because we had not been teaching retell.  We
  were teaching summarizing (which I still believe is the better skill to
  teach).  Now that we are teaching retell the children are passing the
  DRA2 with flying colors.  However, when we ask them to respond to text
  we are able to clearly see that they are not necessarily comprehending
  anything beyond a literal interpretation.  When are we going to get
  these things right!
  
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Re: [MOSAIC] rti conversation

2008-02-16 Thread Deb Smith
I wondering the same thing.  They charge the school district here, $1.00 a
kid.

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For us DIBELS costs $2 per student.  How do you get it free?
Here's a link to the reading comprehension sample
http://www.aimsweb.com/uploaded/files/sample_maze.pdf
If the link doesn't work, I found it by clicking on the measures tab and
then the sample tab (found under the test name in the middle of the screen).
The comprehension part is a cloze activity.




 I have not looked extensively at AIMS web, but since dibels is free, $5 is
a lot for us. Where on the AIMSweb site can I see some comprehension
assessments?





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Re: [MOSAIC] rti conversation

2008-02-16 Thread Deb Smith
http://www.mlpp-msl.net/

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Could you please direct me toward more information on the MLPP?  Thanks.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Date:
Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:11:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] rti conversation 
The state of Michigan has MLPP which has a ton of Research backing it.
There have been articles, etc. Michigan Literacy Progress Profile. Then
Dibels happened  Some / a lot of districts now use both. deb 
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Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:55 PM To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension
Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] rti conversation  The
information we have is from our state department of ed. I am wondering...
is this going to be like Reading First and vary from state to state in
terms of how it is interpretted?  Lori
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Re: [MOSAIC] (no subject)

2008-02-11 Thread Deb Smith
Some teachers use them for DIBELS assessments. 

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I'm a graduate student in the Literacy 5-12 program at Syracuse University.
Currently, I'm working on a project about how palm pilots and other handheld
computers can be used in a classroom setting.  I've found a fair bit of
information about people using these devices for their organizational
qualities, and in computer-based labs in science classrooms.  Yet, I have
found very little about how they can be used in an ELA classroom or to build
literacy skills.  Is there anyone out there who is using palms in their
classroom or who has any brilliant ideas on how they would use palms if they
had them?  Thanks!
 
Heather
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Re: [MOSAIC] Literature Circles

2008-02-04 Thread Deb Smith
Sounds great.  I use the mini lesson book by Harvey for Lit Circles for
ideas.

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I find that minilessons focus on variety of areas when we are in book  
clubs/literature circles:
1.  logistics
2.  how book club members have good talk about their book
3. genre-specific lessons
4. strategy lessons
 
Any thoughts on this?  How do you design minilessons?
 
Leslie
 
 
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Re: [MOSAIC] recording responses

2008-02-03 Thread Deb Smith
I too separate reading response time from reading time by having each
comprehension lesson divided into three segments:  Before, During, After.
In the after segment the kids can work in a reading response situation.
However, I do not let the kids write on their responses in the during
section since I believe that kids need to actually read and think about
their reading during the during time. deb

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Hi all,
 
I am using Debbie Miller and Stephanie Harvey’s work in my grade ½
class.  However, the kids are all responding orally and I am not getting
the responses in writing when they are sharing at the end of our reading
time.  Referencing the book and their own schema in support of their
understanding is what I am looking for. I want them to maximize their
writing time but not spend too much time NOT actually reading.  When I
look at her videos and see the kids working away on charts together I am
a bit perplexed about how to get to that and maintain a balance – I am
new to this program but have 18 years teaching experience.  I am also
referencing Lucy Calkins writing workshop – am I trying to juggle too
much?  
Having trouble seeing the forest for the trees.
 
Steph
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Re: [MOSAIC] Hatchet

2008-01-30 Thread Deb Smith
I would not do emergency since this is not really a theme. I would do having
courage in an emergency.  

Courage is using to support throughout the book.  Just an idea.

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Michele,



Can you treat this as the read aloud for an adventure unit.? What grade do
you teach?

Leslie


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Hi All,
Sorry about changing the topic, but I'm starting an emergency unit on the

novel Hatchet.  Does anyone have any ideas, suggestions, tips on how to  
incorporate this novel into a workshop approach?  I have the lit. guide but

this 
is last minute.  I'm starting tomorrow.  My class is very low and  full of 
reluctant readers.  All suggestions are appreciated.
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Re: [MOSAIC] Hoyt's Interactive Reading book

2008-01-27 Thread Deb Smith
I ordered it directly from Heinemann.  I use it to build fluency after I do
a read aloud. deb

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Subject: [MOSAIC] Hoyt's Interactive Reading book

I recently ordered this book from Amazon, but still haven't received it.  It
is called Interactive Read-Alouds, Grades 2-3: Linking Standards, Fluency,
and Comprehension (Interactive Read-Alouds).  Has anyone read this?  Is it
any good?  
Cindy/VA/2nd
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Re: [MOSAIC] Ellin's new book

2008-01-26 Thread Deb Smith
Not, to argue, but if you order from Heinemann, they are saying January. I 
ordered yesterday. deb

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Subject: [MOSAIC] Ellin's new book

 
 
Hey all you Mosaic of Thought fans out there! I  want to announce to the 
MOSAIC listserv (and a few other interested colleagues)  that Ellin Keene's 
latest 
book is due out this spring and can be preordered on  Amazon.  It sounds 
fantastic and I simply cannot wait! Ellin got us  thinking about reading in a 
whole new way and I think this one sounds like it  will be equally 
thought-provoking.  

Here is the link:

 

To Understand: New Horizons in Reading  Comprehension (Paperback)
by Ellin Oliver Keene
_www.amazon.com/Understand-New-Horizons-Reading-Comprehension/dp/0325003238/r
ef=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1201326987sr=8-4_ 
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ksqid=1201326987sr=8-4) 
 
From Amazon.com:
 
“This is a work of incredible scope: adventurous,  ingratiating, 
challenging,genuinely groundbreaking, and gorgeously written. It  will knock 
the socks 
off this profession.”
- Harvey Daniels
Author of Subjects Matter and  Content-Area Writing
 
The renaissance in comprehension instruction  launched by Mosaic of Thought 
has led to changes in hundreds of thousands of  classrooms, where teachers now 
model reading strategies, and students probe  meaning more deeply. But no book 
in the field has satisfactorily answered the  question: What does it really 
mean to comprehend? In To Understand, Ellin Oliver  Keene not only explores 
this important question, but reveals what teachers can  do to encourage all 
students to engage in deep understanding far more  consistently than before. 
 
In discovering what's really behind comprehension,  To Understand goes well 
beyond comprehension strategy instruction. Keene  identifies specific 
Dimensions and Outcomes of Understanding - characteristics  identified in 
readers with 
a highly developed ability to make sense of text - to  help you rethink what 
comprehension is. She demonstrates how to leverage the  Dimensions and Outcomes 
into relevant, provocative, memorable  instruction.
 
To Understand proposes a model that incorporates  all aspects of literacy 
instruction - word learning and comprehension - and  describes how teachers can 
focus on what matters most in literacy content. Keene  shows that when teachers 
target the most essential content, they have the time  to help every student 
engage more deeply with texts and discover a passion for  reading and 
learning. The model is founded on four simple, but powerful  concepts:
*   Focus on what's important by teaching vital  concepts in depth rather 
than skimming over nonessential skills  
*   Use research-based teaching and learning  strategies, including 
proven-effective comprehension and language-based  strategies, then taking them 
further by showing students how the strategies  lead them to a fuller 
understand 
of a text  
*   Teach the essential concepts over a long period of  time so that 
children have an opportunity to learn not only a comprehension  strategy, but 
to 
explore where that strategy leads in their understanding   
*   Give students numerous opportunities to apply the  concepts in a 
variety of texts and contexts. 
With To Understand in hand, you'll find new ways to  draw out the innate 
intellectual interest in every student and spark dramatic  improvements in 
literacy learning and comprehension, even among students who  struggle. You'll 
see 
that by rethinking what it means to understand - by  teaching children the 
Outcomes and Dimensions of understanding - you can help  students exceed 
expectations while broadening your vision of their abilities,  their capacity, 
and their 
energy for learning.
 
There's still more - much more - to learn about  comprehension. Read To 
Understand, join Ellin Oliver Keene, and discover that  what's at the very core 
of 
comprehension can not only reinvigorate your teaching  but take your students 
to new, uncharted levels of learning.
 
 
Enjoy!
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Re: [MOSAIC] Picture books for Prediction

2008-01-13 Thread Deb Smith
My favorite is Suddenly by Colin McNaughton

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I would love some recommendations for picture books to read aloud for
working with predictions this week.  Could you make some suggestions?
Cindy/VA/2nd grade
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Re: [MOSAIC] units of study

2008-01-13 Thread Deb Smith

These units seem to be the very same ones that we use with Teachers
College. 
 We also use Lucy's books to help us plan.
 
Thanks.
 
 - what books?



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Re: [MOSAIC] units of study

2008-01-13 Thread Deb Smith
The reason I was confused, is when the units were called Lucy's books
instead of the Units of Study by Lucy.  I was hoping Lucy had published
another set of books. I own everything she has written.  REALLY I DO :) deb

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Units of Study in Writing by Lucy Calkins
 
 
In a message dated 1/13/2008 9:29:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


These units seem to be the very same ones that we use with  Teachers
College. 
We also use Lucy's books to help us  plan.

Thanks.

- what  books?



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Re: [MOSAIC] Teaching kids to record their thinking

2008-01-08 Thread Deb Smith
Comprehension/Guided Reading (This is where we teach the kids to comprehend
their reading.

Working with words (This is where we teach our kids phonics, working with
words, how to words work...etc, word wall, etc.)

Self Selected Reading (Independent reading, kids pick a book that they can
REALLY read, they read, teacher confers, kids share what did they read, book
talks)

Writing (Minilesson, kids write, sharing - can be writing workshop if you
want it to be)

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Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Teaching kids to record their thinking

Michelle,
I too have my students record their thinking by using sticky notes. I quite
like your idea of taking the notes out of the book and placing them into
their reading folder on a page for future reference. What does each section
of the four blocks stand for? Are the sections labeled?
Thanks!
Maura
Fifth/NJ

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From: Michelle TeGrootenhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I teach fifth grade and use sticky notes all of the time. Kids write on
them
 and then we attach them to a four-square page (a paper that simply has
 been divided into four squares with room for the title of the book at the
 top) that is kept in their individual reading binders--pages of direct
 evidence of the kids' thinking while reading.  GREAT for classroom
formative
 assessment, report cards and parent-teacher conferences.  By the way, the
 kids also have the option of simply writing directly on the four-square
 page, bypassing the sticky note.  Most use the notes though because of
their
 portability and small, non-threatening size. 
 
 Whenever we begin a new strategy focus, my kiddos have a little bit of
time
 figuring out what exactly to write on those notes: how to write just
enough
 information and how to SUPPORT their thinking with evidence from the text.
 That's why it's SO important to follow the GRADUAL RELEASE model beginning
 with MODELING.  Modeling is not just a one time shot.  You need to model,
 then model again, adjust instruction according to the needs of your
 students, model some more, and just when you think they JUST about have
it,
 model AGAIN! :-)  If the kids aren't getting it they need a MODEL of
what
 it should look like.  
 
 Of course, don't forget the other steps in the gradual release including
 shared, interactive, guided and independent practice.  Your 5th grade
 teacher may be modeling, but skipping some of these other steps.  Each is
 important in developing active readers. The Strategies That Work book does
a
 nice job of explaining this process.  Not only a good way to teach
reading,
 but simply a good way to TEACH, period. 
 
 -Michelle TG/ IA/ 5th
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Linda Buice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 A teacher in my building is having difficulty with fifth graders use of 
 sticky notes.  Does someone have a lesson that helps them focus on just 
 writing real connections on the notes - they are not getting her point.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MOSAIC] lessons and literature to practice connections GR 2 3

2008-01-08 Thread Deb Smith
Connections to a book THAT YOU Love is what I love to do the best. deb

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Subject: [MOSAIC] lessons and literature to practice connections GR 2 3

Does anyone have a two to five day lesson plan to teach connections to text?
I am finding that now that everyone in our school is teaching reading
strategies many of the books are overdone when the students arrive in third
grade.  If you know of any newer book titles or book lists please share.
Thanks.
Leslie 
 
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Re: [MOSAIC] Teaching kids to record their thinking

2008-01-08 Thread Deb Smith
I did not get the message you just refered to, I only saw the four blocks. I
didn't see the four square. 

Four square is a writing method. I apologize

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Thanks, Deb. I have heard of Four Blocks, but am still unclear if this is
what Michelle meant when she wrote

I teach fifth grade and use sticky notes all of the time. Kids write on
them
 and then we attach them to a four-square page (a paper that simply has
 been divided into four squares with room for the title of the book at the
 top) that is kept in their individual reading binders--pages of direct
 evidence of the kids' thinking while reading.  GREAT for classroom
formative
 assessment, report cards and parent-teacher conferences.  By the way, the
 kids also have the option of simply writing directly on the four-square
 page, bypassing the sticky note.  Most use the notes though because of
their
 portability and small, non-threatening size.

This does not sound like the same four sections to which you are referring,
if the children are placing stickies onto the page to show their
metacognition during reading.

Maura

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 -- Original message --
From: Deb Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Comprehension/Guided Reading (This is where we teach the kids to
comprehend
 their reading.
 
 Working with words (This is where we teach our kids phonics, working with
 words, how to words work...etc, word wall, etc.)
 
 Self Selected Reading (Independent reading, kids pick a book that they can
 REALLY read, they read, teacher confers, kids share what did they read,
book
 talks)
 
 Writing (Minilesson, kids write, sharing - can be writing workshop if you
 want it to be)
 
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Re: [MOSAIC] visualizing using Carl books

2008-01-07 Thread Deb Smith
I did the same thing, EXCEPT I changed the child in the hallway and had
the kid re-enter due to peekers. LOL

Thanks for the brilliant memory spark! deb

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Hey Jennifer,
Have a child stand at the front of the room.  While the rest of the  class 
has their eyes closed, change something about the child.  (put on a  hat,
remove 
a sweater, turn around backwards).  Then have  the others open their eyes
and 
tell what is different.  They  didn't actually SEE what happened, but they 
know what the child looked like  before and looked like after, so they can
tell 
what happened between.  Have  them visualize what that looked like (child 
putting on hat, etc.).That is what they are doing in the book..thinking
about 
the between, what  happened that they couldn't see.  Jane in SC  :-)
 
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Hello  everyone! 
Those of you that have been on the list a while remember that I  have been  
doing comprehension lessons in the primary grades using a  lesson study 
process.  
I plan a lesson with two colleagues, we take  turns teaching it and we watch

each  other teach it then meet to  revise the lesson to improve it. 

I am about to teach the visualizing  lesson which I think is from the second

edition of STW where kids  visualize what is happening between each picture 
in  
the Carl  books.  One of the great things about the lesson study protocol we

 
are using is that we are asked to think about where our kids might  have  
difficulty with the lesson. What I see happening continually is  that the 
kids  who 
have trouble visualizing see what is in the second  picture rather than what

is in between the first and second picture.  
Has anyone else noticed this? What do you all do about it other than  model,

model, model?
Thanks in advance for your  help,
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Re: [MOSAIC] what good readers do

2008-01-07 Thread Deb Smith
Comprehension Connections by tanny McGregor
Mosaic of Thought (Keene)
Strategies That Work (Harvey)
7 Keys to Comprehension (Hutchins)

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There's a lot of information  minilessons in the book, The Daily 5, on this
subject.

Melissa/VA/2nd


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 I would like to teach explicitly to my students what good readers do.
 Does
 anyone have any thing related to this.  I teach third grade.

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[MOSAIC] Pizza Lesson ?? maybe

2008-01-05 Thread Deb Smith
THIS IS NOT MY LESSON!

 

I READ THE ARCHIVES ALL DAY.  I could not find the source.  STAND UP AND BE
PROUD.  I will give you credit.  The mistakes are mine.  I found snippets
ALL OVER THE PLACE.   . LOL

 

Pizza Lesson

The original idea is based on the book, Comprehension Connections, by Tanny
McGregor's chapter 2 which is about metacognition.  She writes about a
reading salad being a concrete example of metacognition.  It is wonderful.
For anyone who has not read her book yet or who has not tried this lesson,
please do!   I found a bunch of messages on the internet about the Pizza
Lesson and tried to figure out what people were writing about.  I could not
find the original source for the Pizza Lesson which I write about here.

  

1.  Give kids a tan poster board paper (representing the crust).

2.  Copy the text they will read on orange paper (representing sauce).

3.  Kids had to cut out the stanzas of the poetry and glue it on the
crust with glue sticks.  They represent their thinking on sticky notes
(representing cheese).  [Some teachers did not have the kids cut out the
stanzas instead the teacher only wrote the stanza on the sauce.]

4.  What did the learn?   We learned.[We need schema and thinking for
metacognition; reading needs thinking and text; thinking will make you
smarter; if you think while you read, you will understand it; you cannot
just use some of it like pictures you have to use all of it like pictures
and words you know all of it; never fake read; more thinking is better than
less thinking]  Written on red circles (representing pepperoni).

 

When modeling how to share thinking PINCH CARDS COULD HELP EPR:  

A teacher suggested the EPR (Every Person Respond) strategy which allows for
and ensures that all students actually are engaged in thinking during your
lesson.  This time the PINCH CARD that had text written on one end and
thinking written on the other end.  KIDS pinch the card at the end that
they are indicating.  

 

To prepare the PINCH CARD:

When I have seen this done, they are color coded so that the teacher can
easily SEE the choice the child made.  Imagine an index card that the
teacher has colored red on one half and left white on the bottom half.
Write TEXT in the red section.  Write THINKING on the white section.

 

Teacher models thinking for awhile.

Teacher stops and asks the children to share what is happening instead their
heads.  The children SHOW THEIR PINCH CARD indicating 'text' or 'thinking.'

 

Pizza Lesson in Action:  

One teacher wrote that after she modeled with the salad example from Tanny's
book Comprehension Connections, she printed a poem on red paper (sauce).
She handed out sticky notes (cheese). She gave out tan circles (Pizza
crust).  The directions were, Read the poem, cut out a stanza and indicate
what you thought about that stanza.  The teacher then passed out red
circles (pepperoni).  The directions were, Record what you learned about
real reading.

 

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[MOSAIC] Beyond Retelling Toward Higher Level Thinking and Big Ideas is published!

2008-01-05 Thread Deb Smith
My newest book Beyond Retelling Toward Higher Level Thinking and Big Ideas
written by Patricia Cunningham and Debra Lynn Smith is available now!  

 

ISBN 10-0205542174

ISBN 13-978-0205542178

 

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Retelling-Toward-Higher-Thinking/dp/0205542174

 

It is awesome for teaching THINKING THEME which is a specific strategy for
teaching comprehension.

 

It is nothing like a RAN chart or KWL, but it is similar in that it is a
specific way of teaching students to think deeply about their thinking.  

 

Many schools, classrooms, and specific kids who have learned this strategy
have raised their reading and writing scores on the high stakes test over
the last several years.  One district went from 3rd lowest in the county to
third highest in one year!  What I really appreciate about the strategy is
that the students actually are learning about thinking while reading, not
just a quick fix to a test taking skill!  

 

Do I sound excited?  YES!  I can't believe that my book is actually
published.  I also am excited because other teachers across the country can
try what I have found to be so successful!  By the way, I tried out the
lessons in lots of different types of classrooms.  We had  awesome results
in high poverty classrooms.  I worked with a school that only had 10 percent
free lunch.  The scores here went up too!  The results were also incredible
with ELL kids also.  Every subgroup went up.  We are closing the gap and
making a difference.  

 

My staff development involves training, modeling, coaching, and
collaborative conversations with teachers as an author and consultant.   I
have also had the honor of presenting at International Reading Association
the last several years including last year.   I recently shared my book at
the Arkansas IRA conference. I will be at Michigan's Reading Conference in
March.   

 

Happy Thinking Theme!

Deb Renner Smith

 

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Re: [MOSAIC] january chant

2008-01-01 Thread Deb Smith
I sent it to you directly due to the no attachments rule
debfourblocks who is not former... four blocks but CURRENT

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Subject: [MOSAIC] january chant

This is a shout out to all my former four blockers ... does anyone have the

January chant... I have misplaced my chart and I guess I never saved in my  
files... not for anything... but all those chants are great ways to increase

fluency, teach phonics skills, make connections, and set the tone of the  
month... I love them and use them year after year...
Thanking you in advance...
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Re: [MOSAIC] thanks

2008-01-01 Thread Deb Smith
You are welcome!

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Wow... that was fast! Thanks for all your speedy replies... Deb you really  
helped me out.  
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Re: [MOSAIC] authentic texts for struggling readers/anyone for comprehension strategy instruction

2007-12-05 Thread Deb Smith
I already have the third grade, fourth grade, and fifth grade kits for
nonfiction and fiction kits.  THEY ARE AWESOME!

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comprehension strategy instruction

Hello,

They will allow you to purchase the fiction or the nonfiction kit for
$279.00 The kit also comes with large cards, there are 12 of the same
title for each strategy, three different levels for independent
application and a CD that has the transparencies and cards on them.
There is a blackline master in the TE for writing, also.  What I really
like about the nonfiction kit is when they address a strategy they also
address a text structure. For instance, they may address problem and
solution when addressing visualizing. The text structure varies from kit
to kit. The teachers at my school that have used it found it to be very
teacher friendly and they enjoy using it.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/5/2007 3:45 PM 
Well!!  Talk about manna from heaven--or at least from a savvy
publisher!  Ask and ye shall receive (if you have the $$s).  I just
looked at a lot of material from Sundance/Newbridge, who have developed
what looks like an amazing comprehension strategy kit with fiction and
nonfiction texts.  Wow!  The text is available on blackline masters, but
the kit also provides transparencies of the text, so they can be written
on, etc.  The possibilities just swim around you as you look at what's
there.  The bad news is that it's pricey - $545 per kit.  But, if
nothing else, looking at a kit will give you many ideas that you can
build and expand upon.  I love the Harvey and Gouvis stuff, but this was
probably even easier for S/N to pull off because they own the copyrights
to the materials already!  Sundance/Newbridge books are already the
foundation of our leveled library, so our kids are familiar with these
texts, and I can see endless possibilities.  All I want for
Christmas...
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Re: [MOSAIC] Please Help

2007-12-01 Thread Deb Smith
Pat Cunningham who developed the original concept of Four Blocks has written
her newest thinking in The Teachers Guide to Big Blocks or in her book
Classrooms That Work.  This is what Cheryl wrote about about in Modifying
based on Pat's original thinking.  Now Pat has updated the work in the two
books I mention.  deb

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 Lauren,

  Swear by Modifying 4-blocks for upper grades by Cheryl Sigmon.  The
guide will cost you about $25.00 and can be used with all levels.
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I have used this with At-risk learners for 12 years and have seen huge
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Good luck,
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[MOSAIC] Beyond Retelling

2007-11-28 Thread Deb Smith
My book that I wrote with Pat Cunningham addresses comprehension ideas and
theme 
It is called 
Beyond Retelling Toward Higher Level Thinking and Big Ideas.  
By Patricia Cunningham and Debra Renner Smith

It teaches deep thinking beyond the initial level surface retells that
happen with DIBELS. deb

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To: 'Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group'
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] dra ...a bit off the beaten path

Well said and I agree.

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Subject: [MOSAIC] dra ...a bit off the beaten path

Moving on to schema  unit in Comprehension Connections has  really got me 
thinking about how many assumptions are made in terms of kids'  prior 
knowledge. I know I started threads on 
retelling before but. as I reviewed my first grade DRA's taken in  
October I noted how many teacher prompts I needed to give most kids in terms
of  the 
comprehension section. Seems to me the DRA itself, and its makers, assume  
that kids know how to retell
 
Now, I am expecting posts back about how retelling is a lower level  
comprehension strategy... a rehashing of the author's words but really
the  more I 
teach through retelling. as a unit of comprehension itself ...the  more
I 
learn about gaps in kids' experiences with textsthe way they
internalize 
author's words in their heads 
 
In my opinion, retelling  is an intricate and symbolic cognitive
process 
kids need schema for story elements, story genre, story maps,  thinking 
forward and thinking back, and God forbid they make it to a level where
they write 
their responses... then kids need to process all that thought  into written 
format (which is a whole other multi-step ball of wax) 
 
The point? Maybe before the DRA assessment and before any teaching of  
comprehension strategies there should be more immersion in story  and
grand  
conversations (the  what do you notice kind) 
Maybe then retelling should be taught as extensively as connections,  
visualizing, determining and so on
 
I am wondering if retelling and following directions are closely related...

so many of my first grade dilemmas are  because kids do something that
seems 
like they are not listening to directions but now I am thinking that if
asked 
to retell the directions ...the directions they internalize would be a far  
cry from my intentions. I am also thinking about developmental stages ... do
we 
 teach into retelling or let it evolve with maturity 
 
These types of ponderings bring me back to teaching methods... more
concrete 
modeling... less written and abstract workmore reading and less  written

templates
 
Just some thoughts before bed... what do you all think 
 



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Re: [MOSAIC] MOT2 book talk BEGINS!!

2007-06-13 Thread Deb Smith




I would like to try something new this time.  Keith (our list administrator)

has set up a separate email group where we will discuss MOT2. To join the 
book talk please go to http://snipr.com/MOT2Chat and look for the SUBSCRIBE 
area at the bottom of the page. Feel free to join as a lurker so you don't 
miss the great talk!!


Ginger, as you know, I absolutely adore YOU!  This idea is NUTS!  This ring
was set up to discuss MOT.  But we have to join a different web to discuss
MOT2. 

What exactly are we 'allowed' to discuss here?  

Just wondering?

I am not starting a flaming war, but I truly don't 'get' it deb
 


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[MOSAIC] Ginger - not the place... sorry

2007-05-09 Thread Deb Smith
Ginger email me privately

 

I tried to email you, but my message didn't go through so I don't have your
email saved correctly.  Please email me.

deb

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Re: [MOSAIC] FW: I need dirt

2007-04-03 Thread Deb Smith
Kylene Beers is AWESOME and WONDERFUL.  I have always enjoyed any
opportunity to hear her speak!  Her book is wonderful and she is a
delightful presenter. deb

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grades.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MOSAIC] FW: I need dirt

Anybody out there know anything about this program?  RTL?  I know nothing,
please help.
-- 
Lori Jackson
District Literacy Coach  Mentor
Todd County School District
Box 87
Mission SD  57555
 
http:www.tcsdk12.org
ph. 605.856.2211


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Louisville, Kentucky

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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:19:34 -0500
To: Lori Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Conversation: I need dirt
Subject: I need dirt

Lori:  I need dirt on a program called RtI by the end of the day tomorrow.
Do you know this program?  Dg

Dennis Gaspar, Director of Federal Programs
Todd County School District
POB 87
Mission, SD  57555
605-856-4869, ext 236 (voice)
605-856-4333 (fax) 




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Re: [MOSAIC] FW: I need dirt

2007-04-03 Thread Deb Smith
The link you sent shows her as a main speaker, so I was commenting on her
abilities.  deb

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I agree, but what is RTL or Rtl?  is Beers associated with this?


On 4/3/07 8:18 PM, Deb Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kylene Beers is AWESOME and WONDERFUL.  I have always enjoyed any
 opportunity to hear her speak!  Her book is wonderful and she is a
 delightful presenter. deb
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:12 PM
 To: Teachers Applying Whole Language; Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension
 Strategies Listserv; A list for improving literacy with focus on middle
 grades.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [MOSAIC] FW: I need dirt
 
 Anybody out there know anything about this program?  RTL?  I know nothing,
 please help.

-- 
Lori Jackson
District Literacy Coach  Mentor
Todd County School District
Box 87
Mission SD  57555
 
http:www.tcsdk12.org
ph. 605.856.2211


Literacies for All Summer Institute
Literate Lives:  A Human Right
July 12-15, 2007
Louisville, Kentucky

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Re: [MOSAIC] Tanny's book

2007-03-25 Thread Deb Smith
The title of the book is Comprehension Connections

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Subject: [MOSAIC] Tanny's book

I wondered what the name of Tanny's new book was?  I have so many books now,
and each one is special in a different way.  Wondered what this book was and
how it is different from say - Mosaic of Thought, Reading Strategies,
Reading Power, etc.

 

Also,  I know this is a reading site, but my class is finishing a postcard
project (getting postcards from all 50 states).  We still need Alabama,
Mississippi, Kentucky, and West Virginia.  Can anyone help? Please e-mail:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

Linda

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[MOSAIC] Strategies THAT work - second edition!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-02-20 Thread Deb Smith

YEAH YEAH YEAH

I already ordered it

Anyone want to talk about it


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Re: [MOSAIC] Strategies THAT work - second edition!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-02-20 Thread Deb Smith
It will be out in May.  It says 20 new lessons and a content area reading
focus!

deb

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Hi - 
 
How exciting!  How is this edition different from the first one?
 
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Re: [MOSAIC] Strategies THAT work - second edition!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-02-20 Thread Deb Smith
Stenhouse published Strategies That Work second edition


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Re: [MOSAIC] reading powers

2007-02-11 Thread Deb Smith



I just received the reading power book by Gear. Absolutely wonderful. At  
first glance, I was disappointed because it is very much Debbie Miller's
book.  




I wrote
--  What do you mean?  Do you not like Debbie Miller?  Do you think
this book is a repetition?  I am not criticizing?  I am trying to
understand.




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