Re: New Fast MySQL Compatible Server Released under the GPL License
Hello Gael, The technology is brand new and you'll need to ask them the question. Parallel Universe has no hardware dependencies (it'll need multi core/CPU server only if you enable parallel processing). Hope this helps, Hiromichi - Original Message - From: Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com To: 'Gael Martinez' gael.marti...@gmail.com; mysql@lists.mysql.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:31 PM Subject: RE: New Fast MySQL Compatible Server Released under the GPL License Well, considering that MySQL/Sun/Oracle can't even figure out how to reduce an ibdata1 file from ever-expanding after a decade (http://bugs.mysql.com/1341), it doesn't surprise me that parallel computing is a brain-stumper for them. :-\ Besides, I would suspect that Oracle would see this as one more threat against their cash cow product if they were to make MySQL even faster/better. I've not tried this offering below, nor do I know anything about it, but when a big company is involved, usually it comes down to money -- making it or spending it. d -Original Message- From: Gael Martinez [mailto:gael.marti...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:13 AM To: Hiromichi Watari Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: Re: New Fast MySQL Compatible Server Released under the GPL License On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Hiromichi Watari hiromichiwat...@yahoo.com wrote: [..] Available at www.paralleluniverse-inc.com Hello Pardon my question on that one, but why wasn't the concept detailed in that white paper implemented into the core version of mysql or the percona version (and MariaDB?) ? Too many hardware dependencies ? Regards -- Gaël Martinez -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
New Fast MySQL Compatible Server Released under the GPL License
Parallel Universe is an extension of MySQL server architecture, created to provide fast parallel query capability. Speed is achieved by processing tables in parallel, utilizing multi core/CPU of server hardware. Parallel Universe is released under the GPL license and fully compatible with MySQL and Percona servers. Available at www.paralleluniverse-inc.com
Re: New Fast MySQL Compatible Server Released under the GPL License
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Hiromichi Watari hiromichiwat...@yahoo.com wrote: [..] Available at www.paralleluniverse-inc.com Hello Pardon my question on that one, but why wasn't the concept detailed in that white paper implemented into the core version of mysql or the percona version (and MariaDB?) ? Too many hardware dependencies ? Regards -- Gaël Martinez
RE: New Fast MySQL Compatible Server Released under the GPL License
Well, considering that MySQL/Sun/Oracle can't even figure out how to reduce an ibdata1 file from ever-expanding after a decade (http://bugs.mysql.com/1341), it doesn't surprise me that parallel computing is a brain-stumper for them. :-\ Besides, I would suspect that Oracle would see this as one more threat against their cash cow product if they were to make MySQL even faster/better. I've not tried this offering below, nor do I know anything about it, but when a big company is involved, usually it comes down to money -- making it or spending it. d -Original Message- From: Gael Martinez [mailto:gael.marti...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:13 AM To: Hiromichi Watari Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: Re: New Fast MySQL Compatible Server Released under the GPL License On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Hiromichi Watari hiromichiwat...@yahoo.com wrote: [..] Available at www.paralleluniverse-inc.com Hello Pardon my question on that one, but why wasn't the concept detailed in that white paper implemented into the core version of mysql or the percona version (and MariaDB?) ? Too many hardware dependencies ? Regards -- Gaël Martinez -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
License question on libmysql.dll and C/C++ API Version 4.0 question about Victoria Reznichenko response
Hello, Y read this message: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/109590 and I would like to ask for authorization but I don´t see the email address in that thread (it says: sales@stripped). Can someone tell me that email address?. Thanks in advance. Claudia.
Re: License question on libmysql.dll and C/C++ API Version 4.0 question about Victoria Reznichenko response
Hello Claudia, On 6/18/2012 2:13 PM, Claudia Murialdo wrote: Hello, Y read this message: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/109590 and I would like to ask for authorization but I don´t see the email address in that thread (it says: sales@stripped). Can someone tell me that email address?. Thanks in advance. Claudia. That link is 10 years old and that address is no longer valid. MySQL has been bought twice since then once directly by Sun Microsystems then again when Oracle purchased Sun. Your current questions need to be asked to Oracle. These numbers will route you to the appropriate resources http://www.oracle.com/us/support/contact-068555.html -- Shawn Green MySQL Principal Technical Support Engineer Oracle USA, Inc. - Hardware and Software, Engineered to Work Together. Office: Blountville, TN -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
[joke] SQL Injection License Plate Hopes to Foil Euro Traffic Cameras
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MySQL Community Server License
Hi, I would like to develop a commercial application using MySQL Community Server as database platform. Can I do this? Thanks and regards.
FW: MySQL License
Hi, This is regarding MySQL license we had bought for Bharti Jersey Project. Could you please let me know the Warranty period for the same. Also, please let me know if we have any Maintenance and Support contract with MySQL against this license. If not, please provide me the quotation for the same as well. Meanwhile, please provide me contact details for getting support from MySQL. Regards Hemant -Original Message- From: ext MySQL Shop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 November, 2006 20:50 To: Kerri Maria (Nokia-NET/Espoo) Subject: MySQL License Dear Customer: Included is your MySQL Pro OEM License, ordered from MySQL AB. License number(s): 635597-635598. Commercial downloads are available at http://mysql.mysql.com. Jersey Tele Net Limited can use this information to download a commercial binary are http://mysql.mysql.com. Login: Jersey63839 Password: haqej23gu The following is your MySQL login and password. Login: Jersey63839 Password: haqej23gu -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MySQL License
Please change your password right away !!! It's in the message below !!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 2:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: FW: MySQL License Hi, This is regarding MySQL license we had bought for Bharti Jersey Project. Could you please let me know the Warranty period for the same. Also, please let me know if we have any Maintenance and Support contract with MySQL against this license. If not, please provide me the quotation for the same as well. Meanwhile, please provide me contact details for getting support from MySQL. Regards Hemant -Original Message- From: ext MySQL Shop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 November, 2006 20:50 To: Kerri Maria (Nokia-NET/Espoo) Subject: MySQL License Dear Customer: Included is your MySQL Pro OEM License, ordered from MySQL AB. License number(s): 635597-635598. Commercial downloads are available at http://mysql.mysql.com. Jersey Tele Net Limited can use this information to download a commercial binary are http://mysql.mysql.com. Login: Jersey63839 Password: haqej23gu The following is your MySQL login and password. Login: Jersey63839 Password: haqej23gu -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is the Falcon license listed as 'PROPRIETARY' in 5.2.3?
Baron Schwartz wrote: Greetings, On 5.2.3: select plugin_name, plugin_license from plugins; +-++ | plugin_name | plugin_license | +-++ | binlog | GPL| | partition | GPL| | ARCHIVE | GPL| | BLACKHOLE | GPL| | CSV | GPL| | Falcon | PROPRIETARY| | FEDERATED | GPL| | MEMORY | GPL| | InnoDB | GPL| | MyISAM | GPL| | MRG_MYISAM | GPL| | ndbcluster | GPL| +-++ Why is Falcon listed as PROPRIETARY? I assume that won't be the eventual license when it's finished. Is it just work in-progress to make it GPL or something? Hi! This was an oversight, and due to the original Netfrastructure code from Jim Starkey. It is now fixed in the codebase, as evidenced here: http://lists.mysql.com/commits/24222 Cheers! Jay -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why is the Falcon license listed as 'PROPRIETARY' in 5.2.3?
Greetings, On 5.2.3: select plugin_name, plugin_license from plugins; +-++ | plugin_name | plugin_license | +-++ | binlog | GPL| | partition | GPL| | ARCHIVE | GPL| | BLACKHOLE | GPL| | CSV | GPL| | Falcon | PROPRIETARY| | FEDERATED | GPL| | MEMORY | GPL| | InnoDB | GPL| | MyISAM | GPL| | MRG_MYISAM | GPL| | ndbcluster | GPL| +-++ Why is Falcon listed as PROPRIETARY? I assume that won't be the eventual license when it's finished. Is it just work in-progress to make it GPL or something? Regards Baron -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DBBrowser for PostgreSQL, MySQL, FireBird, Oracle and others (gpl gnu license)
If you used TOAD in oracle, DBBrowser is similar to that. Developers need a tool like DBBrowser to work with SQL database. DBBrowser is excellent tool and is quite useful for developers. DBBrowser is released under gnu/gpl license. DBBrowser is quite impressive and in future it will find rapid adoption. Please download DBBrowser from http://databasebrowser.sourceforge.net/ And see the feature comparison of DBBrowser with TOAD, ProDBA, SQLTools at http://databasebrowser.sourceforge.net/features.html DBBrowser is written in Java and uses JDBC drivers. It is supposed to support most of the SQL servers which have a stable JDBC drivers. Try out and let others know what you think about DBBrowser Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
re[2]: MySQL (GPL License)
Douglas, If you are selling a product which requires your users download MySQL or requires you distribute it with the product, you need a commercial licence. $595?! Ouch indeed...it's much cheaper if you're not using InnoDB, although obviously that's a pretty major trade-off. -- Original Message -- FROM: Douglas Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO:mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATE: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:15:07 -0500 SUBJECT: Re: MySQL (GPL License) Ouch. Thanks for the clarification. Two additional thoughts: 1) Does this apply (I think not) even if you don't compile with or link with the MySQL database? If you just connect to it with ports or sockets, as we usually do with web applications, you still don't need a commercial license? 2) $595/year is still a lot cheaper than most of the alternatives such as MS-SQL or Oracle. I got into this debate with our Microsoft rep over lunch about a year ago. My company does consulting with a couple of large (US Fortune-500 companies) and unfortunately one of these is wedded to MS. I work with MS-SQL quite a lot and generally find it inferior to MySQL and as Randy (the MS rep) was talking how you really did need to buy commercial licenses for MySQL, I pointed out that no you really didn't for web applications. (He went on to point out what great support MS SQL had - I quickly agreed and said that MS SQL had the best support we could ever ask for... it's called Google. Randy still paid for the lunch :-) Douglas Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 7, 2006, at 10:20 PM, mos wrote: At 08:15 PM 6/7/2006, you wrote: I believe that if you are only using MySQL for your company's internal needs, whether from a web server or for deployment to other company-owned locations, you don't need a commercial license. For example, if your company owns fifiteen stores, you could set up a MySQL-based point-of-sale system at each one without needing a commercial license. You only need to release your source code if you release your compiled code. Also, I believe the GPL requirement for sharing only applies if you have modified MySQL's object code, i.e. compiled your code into it or it into your code or linked object code to it. If you are simply installing it as a database and communicating to it through DBI or ODBC or some other means which uses sockets or ports, you don't need to release your code under the GPL. Thus, you hardly ever need to purchase a commercial license. Please note that this is just my understanding. I hope someone will correct if I have misstated anything here. Unfortunately that's not what MySQL AB licensing person told me. The license is more strict than that. If your company distributes an application that uses MySQL database inside the company (even inside the same building), and you don't give the other dept the source code (so it falls outside the gpl license) then the dept receiving the application needs to have a MySQL license. In other words, the complete application source code must follow the application. If you have a commercial application running in Windows, and expect to sell a lot of applications, it will cost you $595 per database server *per year*. See https://shop.mysql.com/network.html?rz=s2. I didn't realize myself it is now a per server/per year pricing either and it came as quite a shock to me system. This can add up if you have a thousand applications in circulation because each customer needs to pay $595/year. If this is too pricey for you, there are open source databases out there that are free to use and free to distribute. FireBird and ProgreSQL come to mind. And there are other commercial databases where you pay up front and have no distribution fees whatsoever. Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL (GPL License)
Unfortunately that's not what MySQL AB licensing person told me. The license is more strict than that. If your company distributes an application that uses MySQL database inside the company (even inside the same building), and you don't give the other dept the source code (so it falls outside the gpl license) then the dept receiving the application needs to have a MySQL license. In other words, the complete application source code must follow the application. If you have a commercial application running in Windows, and expect to sell a lot of applications, it will cost you $595 per database server *per year*. See https://shop.mysql.com/network.html?rz=s2. I didn't realize myself it is now a per server/per year pricing either and it came as quite a shock to me system. This can add up if you have a thousand applications in circulation because each customer needs to pay $595/year. If this is too pricey for you, there are open source ? databases out there that are free to use and free to distribute. FireBird and ProgreSQL come to mind. And there are other commercial databases where you pay up front and have no distribution fees whatsoever. Then I have to probably resort to PostgreSQL (BSD license). I'm an FOSS advocate. I try to use FOSS as much as possible to help minimize company expenses. Thanks for the info, Mic signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: MySQL (GPL License)
On 6/8/06, mos wrote: At 08:15 PM 6/7/2006, you wrote: I believe that if you are only using MySQL for your company's internal needs, whether from a web server or for deployment to other company-owned locations, you don't need a commercial license. Unfortunately that's not what MySQL AB licensing person told me. The license is more strict than that. If your company distributes an application that uses MySQL database inside the company (even inside the same building), and you don't give the other dept the source code (so it falls outside the gpl license) then the dept receiving the application needs to have a MySQL license. In other words, the complete application source code must follow the application. If both departments are registered as the same 'legal person' whatever one department owns is automatically owned by the other department too. So as long as both departments are under the same registration at the Chamber of Commerce (or however that legally works in your jurisdiction), this is not distribution as intended in the GPL. Jochem -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
re[2]: MySQL (GPL License)
At 03:09 AM 6/8/2006, Rob Desbois wrote: Douglas, If you are selling a product which requires your users download MySQL or requires you distribute it with the product, you need a commercial licence. $595?! Ouch indeed...it's much cheaper if you're not using InnoDB, although obviously that's a pretty major trade-off. Rob, The $595 license applies to any MySQL database, whether it uses InnoDb or not. So if you are just using MyISAM tables, and you distribute applications without source code (outside of the GPL), then it is $595 per year. From my understanding, this per year license also applies to customers receiving your application. So if you sell 5,000 applications per year, over 5 years that would be 25,000 applications. If after that you stop selling the software or you go out of business, your customers will still have to shell out $14.8 million per year in licensing if they still use the software, whether they need support or not from MySQL AB. Ouch! Mike -- Original Message -- FROM: Douglas Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO:mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATE: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:15:07 -0500 SUBJECT: Re: MySQL (GPL License) Ouch. Thanks for the clarification. Two additional thoughts: 1) Does this apply (I think not) even if you don't compile with or link with the MySQL database? If you just connect to it with ports or sockets, as we usually do with web applications, you still don't need a commercial license? 2) $595/year is still a lot cheaper than most of the alternatives such as MS-SQL or Oracle. I got into this debate with our Microsoft rep over lunch about a year ago. My company does consulting with a couple of large (US Fortune-500 companies) and unfortunately one of these is wedded to MS. I work with MS-SQL quite a lot and generally find it inferior to MySQL and as Randy (the MS rep) was talking how you really did need to buy commercial licenses for MySQL, I pointed out that no you really didn't for web applications. (He went on to point out what great support MS SQL had - I quickly agreed and said that MS SQL had the best support we could ever ask for... it's called Google. Randy still paid for the lunch :-) Douglas Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 7, 2006, at 10:20 PM, mos wrote: At 08:15 PM 6/7/2006, you wrote: I believe that if you are only using MySQL for your company's internal needs, whether from a web server or for deployment to other company-owned locations, you don't need a commercial license. For example, if your company owns fifiteen stores, you could set up a MySQL-based point-of-sale system at each one without needing a commercial license. You only need to release your source code if you release your compiled code. Also, I believe the GPL requirement for sharing only applies if you have modified MySQL's object code, i.e. compiled your code into it or it into your code or linked object code to it. If you are simply installing it as a database and communicating to it through DBI or ODBC or some other means which uses sockets or ports, you don't need to release your code under the GPL. Thus, you hardly ever need to purchase a commercial license. Please note that this is just my understanding. I hope someone will correct if I have misstated anything here. Unfortunately that's not what MySQL AB licensing person told me. The license is more strict than that. If your company distributes an application that uses MySQL database inside the company (even inside the same building), and you don't give the other dept the source code (so it falls outside the gpl license) then the dept receiving the application needs to have a MySQL license. In other words, the complete application source code must follow the application. If you have a commercial application running in Windows, and expect to sell a lot of applications, it will cost you $595 per database server *per year*. See https://shop.mysql.com/network.html?rz=s2. I didn't realize myself it is now a per server/per year pricing either and it came as quite a shock to me system. This can add up if you have a thousand applications in circulation because each customer needs to pay $595/year. If this is too pricey for you, there are open source databases out there that are free to use and free to distribute. FireBird and ProgreSQL come to mind. And there are other commercial databases where you pay up front and have no distribution fees whatsoever. Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
Re: MySQL (GPL License)
At 06:49 AM 6/8/2006, Jochem van Dieten wrote: On 6/8/06, mos wrote: At 08:15 PM 6/7/2006, you wrote: I believe that if you are only using MySQL for your company's internal needs, whether from a web server or for deployment to other company-owned locations, you don't need a commercial license. Unfortunately that's not what MySQL AB licensing person told me. The license is more strict than that. If your company distributes an application that uses MySQL database inside the company (even inside the same building), and you don't give the other dept the source code (so it falls outside the gpl license) then the dept receiving the application needs to have a MySQL license. In other words, the complete application source code must follow the application. If both departments are registered as the same 'legal person' whatever one department owns is automatically owned by the other department too. So as long as both departments are under the same registration at the Chamber of Commerce (or however that legally works in your jurisdiction), this is not distribution as intended in the GPL. Jochem Jochem, Well that's what I thought too. But if each dept has their own MySQL server, and you do not give the other dept your source code for your application, MySQL AB claims you need a license for that dept (at least that's what they claimed 2 years ago when I spoke with them). Now if each dept already had licenses for each MySQL server or there was only 1 centralized MySQL server, then of course they don't need a new license. This still presents a problem if the company is distributing standalone MySQL applications that run on desktops within a company, because could add up to a lot of license fees. Even standalone MySQL applications require a license. Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re[2]: MySQL (GPL License)
Hi Mike, On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:52 AM, mos wrote: At 03:09 AM 6/8/2006, Rob Desbois wrote: Douglas, If you are selling a product which requires your users download MySQL or requires you distribute it with the product, you need a commercial licence. $595?! Ouch indeed...it's much cheaper if you're not using InnoDB, although obviously that's a pretty major trade-off. Rob, The $595 license applies to any MySQL database, whether it uses InnoDb or not. So if you are just using MyISAM tables, and you distribute applications without source code (outside of the GPL), then it is $595 per year. From my understanding, this per year license also applies to customers receiving your application. So if you sell 5,000 applications per year, over 5 years that would be 25,000 applications. If after that you stop selling the software or you go out of business, your customers will still have to shell out $14.8 million per year in licensing if they still use the software, whether they need support or not from MySQL AB. Ouch! You are confusing the OEM licensing and MySQL Network. Network hasn't been around for 2 years yet, so you might be confusing the previous incarnations with what currently exists. MySQL Network is designed for people that aren't distributing the MySQL server itself, but just using it in their own applications, such as websites and so on. It is designed to give added value to MySQL community edition, such as advisors, support, etc... This can optionally include commercial versions if you don't want GPL software for some reason. The OEM license is designed if you want to redistribute MySQL bundled in a product and generally is not charged as a per-year thing, but as a per-shipped unit price. For large deals, such as 25,000 applications, this would be negotiated separately taking into considerations such as how much you charge, how many you are shipping, how many you pre-purchase, etc... so I can't say exactly how everything works for your individual case. There is a very important difference between the two, as the Network includes a lot of extra things that most likely your customers wouldn't want or need, so hence it is more expensive. See: http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/ http://www.mysql.com/oem/products.html http://www.mysql.com/oem/support.html Mike -- Original Message -- FROM: Douglas Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO:mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATE: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:15:07 -0500 SUBJECT: Re: MySQL (GPL License) Ouch. Thanks for the clarification. Two additional thoughts: 1) Does this apply (I think not) even if you don't compile with or link with the MySQL database? If you just connect to it with ports or sockets, as we usually do with web applications, you still don't need a commercial license? 2) $595/year is still a lot cheaper than most of the alternatives such as MS-SQL or Oracle. I got into this debate with our Microsoft rep over lunch about a year ago. My company does consulting with a couple of large (US Fortune-500 companies) and unfortunately one of these is wedded to MS. I work with MS-SQL quite a lot and generally find it inferior to MySQL and as Randy (the MS rep) was talking how you really did need to buy commercial licenses for MySQL, I pointed out that no you really didn't for web applications. (He went on to point out what great support MS SQL had - I quickly agreed and said that MS SQL had the best support we could ever ask for... it's called Google. Randy still paid for the lunch :-) Douglas Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 7, 2006, at 10:20 PM, mos wrote: At 08:15 PM 6/7/2006, you wrote: I believe that if you are only using MySQL for your company's internal needs, whether from a web server or for deployment to other company-owned locations, you don't need a commercial license. For example, if your company owns fifiteen stores, you could set up a MySQL-based point-of-sale system at each one without needing a commercial license. You only need to release your source code if you release your compiled code. Also, I believe the GPL requirement for sharing only applies if you have modified MySQL's object code, i.e. compiled your code into it or it into your code or linked object code to it. If you are simply installing it as a database and communicating to it through DBI or ODBC or some other means which uses sockets or ports, you don't need to release your code under the GPL. Thus, you hardly ever need to purchase a commercial license. Please note that this is just my understanding. I hope someone will correct if I have misstated anything here. Unfortunately that's not what MySQL AB licensing person told me. The license is more strict than that. If your company distributes an application that uses MySQL database inside the company (even inside the same building), and you don't give the other dept
MySQL (GPL License)
Hello, I would like to inquire about the GPL License used by MySQL. Here's our scenario We developed our owned software needed by our operations using MySQL community edition under Windows platform. GPL says that we should distribute/share the source code. But I think it isn't even of interest or beneficial to others because it was done on the company specs. If we were required to distribute/share our source code. What distribution methods can be used? like uploading the source code in a site? or when someone walks in and asks for the source code, we should share it to them. Thanks, I just need to have some clarifications about the GPL Mic signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: MySQL (GPL License)
Hi Michael, I believe you can purchase a commercial license taking away the GPL provisions from your software if you do not wish to GPL your own software. You can enquire on the MySQL website. Regards --- ** _/ ** David Logan *** _/ *** ITO Delivery Specialist - Database *_/* Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd _/_/_/ _/_/_/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/ _/ Desk: +618 8408 4273 _/ _/ _/_/_/ Mobile: 0417 268 665 *_/ ** ** _/ Postal: 148 Frome Street, _/ ** Adelaide SA 5001 Australia invent --- -Original Message- From: Michael Louie Loria [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 9:45 AM To: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: MySQL (GPL License) Hello, I would like to inquire about the GPL License used by MySQL. Here's our scenario We developed our owned software needed by our operations using MySQL community edition under Windows platform. GPL says that we should distribute/share the source code. But I think it isn't even of interest or beneficial to others because it was done on the company specs. If we were required to distribute/share our source code. What distribution methods can be used? like uploading the source code in a site? or when someone walks in and asks for the source code, we should share it to them. Thanks, I just need to have some clarifications about the GPL Mic -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL (GPL License)
I believe that if you are only using MySQL for your company's internal needs, whether from a web server or for deployment to other company-owned locations, you don't need a commercial license. For example, if your company owns fifiteen stores, you could set up a MySQL-based point-of-sale system at each one without needing a commercial license. You only need to release your source code if you release your compiled code. Also, I believe the GPL requirement for sharing only applies if you have modified MySQL's object code, i.e. compiled your code into it or it into your code or linked object code to it. If you are simply installing it as a database and communicating to it through DBI or ODBC or some other means which uses sockets or ports, you don't need to release your code under the GPL. Thus, you hardly ever need to purchase a commercial license. Please note that this is just my understanding. I hope someone will correct if I have misstated anything here. However, it is very reasonable and desirable to support MySQL as a company, as they save us all tons of money over Oracle, MS-SQL, etc., in addition to providing an excellent product. So even if you don't need the commercial license, if your company depends upon MySQL, buying a commercial license, paying for training, attending conferences, or buying lots of t-shirts is nice. Douglas Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 7, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) wrote: Hi Michael, I believe you can purchase a commercial license taking away the GPL provisions from your software if you do not wish to GPL your own software. You can enquire on the MySQL website. Regards --- ** _/ ** David Logan *** _/ *** ITO Delivery Specialist - Database *_/* Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd _/_/_/ _/_/_/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/ _/ Desk: +618 8408 4273 _/ _/ _/_/_/ Mobile: 0417 268 665 *_/ ** ** _/ Postal: 148 Frome Street, _/ ** Adelaide SA 5001 Australia invent --- -Original Message- From: Michael Louie Loria [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 9:45 AM To: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: MySQL (GPL License) Hello, I would like to inquire about the GPL License used by MySQL. Here's our scenario We developed our owned software needed by our operations using MySQL community edition under Windows platform. GPL says that we should distribute/share the source code. But I think it isn't even of interest or beneficial to others because it was done on the company specs. If we were required to distribute/share our source code. What distribution methods can be used? like uploading the source code in a site? or when someone walks in and asks for the source code, we should share it to them. Thanks, I just need to have some clarifications about the GPL Mic -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL (GPL License)
Ok thanks, I'm somehow clarified.
Mic
Douglas Sims wrote:
I believe that if you are only using MySQL for your company's internal
needs, whether from a web server or for deployment to other
company-owned locations, you don't need a commercial license. For
example, if your company owns fifiteen stores, you could set up a
MySQL-based point-of-sale system at each one without needing a
commercial license. You only need to release your source code if you
release your compiled code.
Also, I believe the GPL requirement for sharing only applies if you have
modified MySQL's object code, i.e. compiled your code into it or it into
your code or linked object code to it. If you are simply installing it
as a database and communicating to it through DBI or ODBC or some other
means which uses sockets or ports, you don't need to release your code
under the GPL.
Thus, you hardly ever need to purchase a commercial license.
Please note that this is just my understanding. I hope someone will
correct if I have misstated anything here.
However, it is very reasonable and desirable to support MySQL as a
company, as they save us all tons of money over Oracle, MS-SQL, etc., in
addition to providing an excellent product. So even if you don't need
the commercial license, if your company depends upon MySQL, buying a
commercial license, paying for training, attending conferences, or
buying lots of t-shirts is nice.
Douglas Sims
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Jun 7, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) wrote:
Hi Michael,
I believe you can purchase a commercial license taking away the GPL
provisions from your software if you do not wish to GPL your own
software. You can enquire on the MySQL website.
Regards
---
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*** _/ *** ITO Delivery Specialist - Database
*_/* Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
_/ _/ _/ _/ Desk: +618 8408 4273
_/ _/ _/_/_/ Mobile: 0417 268 665
*_/ **
** _/ Postal: 148 Frome Street,
_/ ** Adelaide SA 5001
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invent
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-Original Message-
From: Michael Louie Loria [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 9:45 AM
To: mysql@lists.mysql.com
Subject: MySQL (GPL License)
Hello,
I would like to inquire about the GPL License used by MySQL.
Here's our scenario
We developed our owned software needed by our operations using MySQL
community edition under Windows platform.
GPL says that we should distribute/share the source code. But I think it
isn't even of interest or beneficial to others because it was done on
the company specs.
If we were required to distribute/share our source code. What
distribution methods can be used? like uploading the source code in a
site? or when someone walks in and asks for the source code, we should
share it to them.
Thanks, I just need to have some clarifications about the GPL
Mic
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RE: MySQL (GPL License)
However, it is very reasonable and desirable to support MySQL as a company, as they save us all tons of money over Oracle, MS-SQL, etc., in addition to providing an excellent product. So even if you don't need the commercial license, if your company depends upon MySQL, buying a commercial license, paying for training, attending conferences, or buying lots of t-shirts is nice. Amen brutha. DÆVID -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MySQL (GPL License)
Hello,
If you are still unsure about the licensing, this may help...
http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/
http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/faq.html
There are also related links off to the right concerning the Open Source
License and Commercial License.
Thanks,
Jimmy Guerrero
Sr Product Manager
MySQL, Inc
-Original Message-
From: Michael Louie Loria [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:42 PM
To: mysql@lists.mysql.com
Subject: Re: MySQL (GPL License)
Ok thanks, I'm somehow clarified.
Mic
Douglas Sims wrote:
I believe that if you are only using MySQL for your
company's internal
needs, whether from a web server or for deployment to other
company-owned locations, you don't need a commercial license. For
example, if your company owns fifiteen stores, you could set up a
MySQL-based point-of-sale system at each one without needing a
commercial license. You only need to release your source
code if you
release your compiled code.
Also, I believe the GPL requirement for sharing only applies if you
have modified MySQL's object code, i.e. compiled your code
into it or
it into your code or linked object code to it. If you are simply
installing it as a database and communicating to it through DBI or
ODBC or some other means which uses sockets or ports, you
don't need
to release your code under the GPL.
Thus, you hardly ever need to purchase a commercial license.
Please note that this is just my understanding. I hope
someone will
correct if I have misstated anything here.
However, it is very reasonable and desirable to support MySQL as a
company, as they save us all tons of money over Oracle,
MS-SQL, etc.,
in addition to providing an excellent product. So even if
you don't
need the commercial license, if your company depends upon MySQL,
buying a commercial license, paying for training, attending
conferences, or buying lots of t-shirts is nice.
Douglas Sims
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Jun 7, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) wrote:
Hi Michael,
I believe you can purchase a commercial license taking
away the GPL
provisions from your software if you do not wish to GPL your own
software. You can enquire on the MySQL website.
Regards
---
** _/ ** David Logan
*** _/ *** ITO Delivery Specialist - Database
*_/* Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
_/ _/ _/ _/ Desk: +618 8408 4273
_/ _/ _/_/_/ Mobile: 0417 268 665
*_/ **
** _/ Postal: 148 Frome Street,
_/ ** Adelaide SA 5001
Australia
invent
---
-Original Message-
From: Michael Louie Loria [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 9:45 AM
To: mysql@lists.mysql.com
Subject: MySQL (GPL License)
Hello,
I would like to inquire about the GPL License used by MySQL.
Here's our scenario
We developed our owned software needed by our operations
using MySQL
community edition under Windows platform.
GPL says that we should distribute/share the source code.
But I think
it isn't even of interest or beneficial to others because
it was done
on the company specs.
If we were required to distribute/share our source code. What
distribution methods can be used? like uploading the
source code in a
site? or when someone walks in and asks for the source code, we
should share it to them.
Thanks, I just need to have some clarifications about the GPL
Mic
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Re: MySQL (GPL License)
At 08:15 PM 6/7/2006, you wrote: I believe that if you are only using MySQL for your company's internal needs, whether from a web server or for deployment to other company-owned locations, you don't need a commercial license. For example, if your company owns fifiteen stores, you could set up a MySQL-based point-of-sale system at each one without needing a commercial license. You only need to release your source code if you release your compiled code. Also, I believe the GPL requirement for sharing only applies if you have modified MySQL's object code, i.e. compiled your code into it or it into your code or linked object code to it. If you are simply installing it as a database and communicating to it through DBI or ODBC or some other means which uses sockets or ports, you don't need to release your code under the GPL. Thus, you hardly ever need to purchase a commercial license. Please note that this is just my understanding. I hope someone will correct if I have misstated anything here. Unfortunately that's not what MySQL AB licensing person told me. The license is more strict than that. If your company distributes an application that uses MySQL database inside the company (even inside the same building), and you don't give the other dept the source code (so it falls outside the gpl license) then the dept receiving the application needs to have a MySQL license. In other words, the complete application source code must follow the application. If you have a commercial application running in Windows, and expect to sell a lot of applications, it will cost you $595 per database server *per year*. See https://shop.mysql.com/network.html?rz=s2. I didn't realize myself it is now a per server/per year pricing either and it came as quite a shock to me system. This can add up if you have a thousand applications in circulation because each customer needs to pay $595/year. If this is too pricey for you, there are open source databases out there that are free to use and free to distribute. FireBird and ProgreSQL come to mind. And there are other commercial databases where you pay up front and have no distribution fees whatsoever. Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ouch. Thanks for the clarification. Two additional thoughts: 1) Does this apply (I think not) even if you don't compile with or link with the MySQL database? If you just connect to it with ports or sockets, as we usually do with web applications, you still don't need a commercial license? 2) $595/year is still a lot cheaper than most of the alternatives such as MS-SQL or Oracle. I got into this debate with our Microsoft rep over lunch about a year ago. My company does consulting with a couple of large (US Fortune-500 companies) and unfortunately one of these is wedded to MS. I work with MS-SQL quite a lot and generally find it inferior to MySQL and as Randy (the MS rep) was talking how you really did need to buy commercial licenses for MySQL, I pointed out that no you really didn't for web applications. (He went on to point out what great support MS SQL had - I quickly agreed and said that MS SQL had the best support we could ever ask for... it's called Google. Randy still paid for the lunch :-) Douglas Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 7, 2006, at 10:20 PM, mos wrote: At 08:15 PM 6/7/2006, you wrote: I believe that if you are only using MySQL for your company's internal needs, whether from a web server or for deployment to other company-owned locations, you don't need a commercial license. For example, if your company owns fifiteen stores, you could set up a MySQL-based point-of-sale system at each one without needing a commercial license. You only need to release your source code if you release your compiled code. Also, I believe the GPL requirement for sharing only applies if you have modified MySQL's object code, i.e. compiled your code into it or it into your code or linked object code to it. If you are simply installing it as a database and communicating to it through DBI or ODBC or some other means which uses sockets or ports, you don't need to release your code under the GPL. Thus, you hardly ever need to purchase a commercial license. Please note that this is just my understanding. I hope someone will correct if I have misstated anything here. Unfortunately that's not what MySQL AB licensing person told me. The license is more strict than that. If your company distributes an application that uses MySQL database inside the company (even inside the same building), and you don't give the other dept the source code (so it falls outside the gpl license) then the dept receiving the application needs to have a MySQL license. In other words, the complete application source code must follow the application. If you have a commercial application running in Windows, and expect to sell a lot of applications, it will cost you $595 per database server *per year*. See https://shop.mysql.com/network.html?rz=s2. I didn't realize myself it is now a per server/per year pricing either and it came as quite a shock to me system. This can add up if you have a thousand applications in circulation because each customer needs to pay $595/year. If this is too pricey for you, there are open source databases out there that are free to use and free to distribute. FireBird and ProgreSQL come to mind. And there are other commercial databases where you pay up front and have no distribution fees whatsoever. Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh, one other thing. The group that I work with at the one large company (call it company X) which Randy the MS rep was taking to lunch... is about to upgrade some servers and spend somewhere around $250k on new MS SQL server licenses. I'm not really sure why. (Oxygen deprivation could explain it, except we seem to have plenty of oxgyen.) How can I possibly explain to them that we can port all of these web apps to MySQL or some other database (I don't care... MySQL is my first choice but Postgres is very nice but we could use database ABC or Wally's DB or use flat files written in Mandarin Chinese for all I care) for less money than we will spend on software on one upgrade cycle? Does anyone else have similar experiences? Douglas Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 7, 2006, at 11:15 PM, Douglas Sims wrote: Ouch. Thanks for the clarification. Two additional thoughts: 1) Does this apply (I think not) even if you don't compile with or link with the MySQL database? If you just connect to it with ports or sockets, as we usually do with web applications, you still don't need a commercial license? 2) $595/year is still a lot cheaper than most of the alternatives such as MS-SQL or Oracle. I got into this debate with our Microsoft rep over lunch about a year ago. My company does consulting with a couple of large (US Fortune-500 companies) and unfortunately one of these is wedded to MS. I work with MS-SQL quite a lot and generally find it inferior to MySQL and as Randy (the MS rep) was talking how you really did need to buy commercial licenses for MySQL, I pointed out that no you really didn't for web applications. (He went on to point out what great support MS SQL had - I quickly agreed and said that MS SQL had the best support we could ever ask for... it's called Google. Randy still paid for the lunch :-) Douglas Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 7, 2006, at 10:20 PM, mos wrote: At 08:15 PM 6/7/2006, you wrote: I believe that if you are only using MySQL for your company's internal needs, whether from a web server or for deployment to other company-owned locations, you don't need a commercial license. For example, if your company owns fifiteen stores, you could set up a MySQL-based point-of-sale system at each one without needing a commercial license. You only need to release your source code if you release your compiled code. Also, I believe the GPL requirement for sharing only applies if you have modified MySQL's object code, i.e. compiled your code into it or it into your code or linked object code to it. If you are simply installing it as a database and communicating to it through DBI or ODBC or some other means which uses sockets or ports, you don't need to release your code under the GPL. Thus, you hardly ever need to purchase a commercial license. Please note that this is just my understanding. I hope someone will correct if I have misstated anything here. Unfortunately that's not what MySQL AB licensing person told me. The license is more strict than that. If your company distributes an application that uses MySQL database inside the company (even inside the same building), and you don't give the other dept the source code (so it falls outside the gpl license) then the dept receiving the application needs to have a MySQL license. In other words, the complete application source code must follow the application. If you have a commercial application running in Windows, and expect to sell a lot of applications, it will cost you $595 per database server *per year*. See https://shop.mysql.com/network.html?rz=s2. I didn't realize myself it is now a per server/per year pricing either and it came as quite a shock to me system. This can add up if you have a thousand applications in circulation because each customer needs to pay $595/year. If this is too pricey for you, there are open source databases out there that are free to use and free to distribute. FireBird and ProgreSQL come to mind. And there are other commercial databases where you pay up front and have no distribution fees whatsoever. Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
On 11/6/05, mos wrote: Sure but if people have commercial applications that use InnoDb, then what? Is there a surprise tax waiting for them next year? Nothing changes for the licenses you already have. If you have an application that is both incompatible with the GPL and depends on InnoDB and you want to buy new licenses you might find them more expensive or unavailable. If Oracle is that much in favor of continuing the InnoDb contract with MySQL, why didn't they pre-announce it saying the terms and conditions would be the same as before. Or are they going to change the contract so they collect $500 or even $1000 extra for every commercial application that is distributed with InnoDb? If this happens, what alternative will MySQL be offering their users who need transactions and RI? An upgrade to PostgreSQL? Even if Oracle wants to shut that down and buys RedHat, Fujitsu, NTT, EnterpiseDB, Pervasive etc., it is still BSD licensed :) Nothing has changed. You had a single-vendor solution where the vendor could do with their prices what it wanted to do. You have a single-vendor solution where the vendor can do with their prices what it needs to do. It's a lot like seeing a neighboring army surround your oil fields and then hear them say, No cause for alarm! We're here to help you improve your pumping efficiencies!. You just have to wonder how sincere are they? Should I trust Larry Ellison with the deed to my house? I can't help but smile by the thought of Larry Ellison becoming an Open Source convert who does not want to license InnoDB to MySQL at all but just releases the next version as GPL-only. If you buy a share you can go ask him himself during the next shareholder event :) Jochem
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
On 5 Nov 2005, at 03:47, Ezra Taylor wrote: They will crush anyone that gets in there way. Well, if recent events are any indication, Oracle's approach to 'crushing' the opposition is to give them very large amounts of money. If that's being crushed, I'm up for it. Marcus -- Marcus Bointon Synchromedia Limited: Putting you in the picture [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.synchromedia.co.uk -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
At 08:33 PM 11/4/2005, you wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. Sure but if people have commercial applications that use InnoDb, then what? Is there a surprise tax waiting for them next year? The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html From the website: InnoDB's contractual relationship with MySQL comes up for renewal next year. Oracle fully expects to negotiate an extension of that relationship. Terms of the transaction were not disclosed. It seems to me Oracle now has MySQL AB by the short and curlies. bg Negotiating a fair contract renewal could be painful under these conditions, don't you think? If Oracle is that much in favor of continuing the InnoDb contract with MySQL, why didn't they pre-announce it saying the terms and conditions would be the same as before. Or are they going to change the contract so they collect $500 or even $1000 extra for every commercial application that is distributed with InnoDb? If this happens, what alternative will MySQL be offering their users who need transactions and RI? If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. And did he say at what cost to the MySQL developers? It never struck me that Larry Ellison was a humanitarian who wanted a competitor to succeed. (Did Larry hit his head?vbg) Did Oracle give you any reason as to why they wanted to buy InnoDb? Are they going to be replacing Oracle's row locking with InnoDb? If they're not going to be using InnoDb, why buy it? This is looking more like a preemptive strike against MySQL. In which case, why would they honor the next contract? It's a lot like seeing a neighboring army surround your oil fields and then hear them say, No cause for alarm! We're here to help you improve your pumping efficiencies!. You just have to wonder how sincere are they? Should I trust Larry Ellison with the deed to my house? Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
At 08:59 PM 11/4/2005, you wrote: At 21:49 -0500 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor wrote: Last one people: I just realized that Heikki is monitoring our post pertaining to innodb. This guy/gal is an oracle employee. The enemy is amongst us. Beware. Haha Haha Ezra Ezra, Your basis for claiming that Heikki is the enemy is ... what? I think that is all tongue in cheek. If Heikki can retire on a beach some place for the rest of his life, then I'm all for it. I just would like to see Oracle state what will be in the next agreement with MySQL AB so programmers don't have this foreboding fear that the giant is coming to town to wreck havoc on the villagers. Mike (already building torches and catapults to keep the monster at bay) On 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul DuBois, MySQL Documentation Team Madison, Wisconsin, USA MySQL AB, www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 16:45 -0600, mos wrote: If this happens, what alternative will MySQL be offering their users who need transactions and RI? The GPLed version of InnoDB? -- Jasper Bryant-Greene General Manager Album Limited e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.album.co.nz/ b: http://jbg.name/ p: 0800 4 ALBUM (0800 425 286) or +64 21 232 3303 a: PO Box 579, Christchurch 8015, New Zealand -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs
Mike, the opinions below are my personal opinions. They do not reflect the official standpoint of Oracle Corporation. - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs At 08:33 PM 11/4/2005, you wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. Sure but if people have commercial applications that use InnoDb, then what? Is there a surprise tax waiting for them next year? When we in December 2002 negotiated the current MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM contract with MySQL AB's CEO Mårten Mickos, Mårten wanted a clause that makes all the details of the OEM contract confidential. Therefore, I have not been able to disclose the details of the current OEM agreement. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html From the website: InnoDB's contractual relationship with MySQL comes up for renewal next year. Oracle fully expects to negotiate an extension of that relationship. Terms of the transaction were not disclosed. It seems to me Oracle now has MySQL AB by the short and curlies. bg Negotiating a fair contract renewal could be painful under these conditions, don't you think? I believe in a situation like this it is possible to negotiate a fair contract renewal. In December 2002 the situation was different, and we were able to negotiate a new OEM contract. If Oracle is that much in favor of continuing the InnoDb contract with MySQL, why didn't they pre-announce it saying the terms and conditions would be the same as before. Or are they going to change the contract so they collect $500 or even $1000 extra for every commercial application that is distributed with InnoDb? But companies usually do not pre-announce the bids they are going to make. MySQL AB has not pre-announced MySQL's commercial non-GPL license prices in 2006. A problem is that an OEM contract is between two companies. One company cannot pre-announce what the other company might decide to do. If this happens, what alternative will MySQL be offering their users who need transactions and RI? If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. And did he say at what cost to the MySQL developers? It never struck me that Larry Ellison was a humanitarian who wanted a competitor to succeed. (Did Larry hit his head?vbg) Did Oracle give you any reason as to why they wanted to buy InnoDb? Are they going to be replacing Oracle's row locking with InnoDb? If they're not going to be using InnoDb, why buy it? This is looking more like a preemptive strike against MySQL. In which case, why would they honor the next contract? Future plans of Oracle and Innobase Oy are confidential. Like Jochem van Dieten said earlier in this thread, Oracle is a public company, and disclosure of future plans must go through a channel approved by the SEC. Mike Regards, Heikki Oracle/Innobase -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
On 11/5/05, Ezra Taylor wrote: To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us I think InnoDB/Oracle is going to meet all their obligations to their paying customers, licensers and licensees. If there is a mismatch between what you consider 'fair' and the actual obligations of InnoDB/Oracle you have not done your homework before choosing a database and I hope it will be a valuable lesson. Jochem
RE: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
-Original Message- From: Fabricio Mota [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: zaterdag 5 november 2005 3:56 To: Ezra Taylor Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: RES: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that ex- pects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor Is there anyone who can shed some light on this without the anti-Orcacle hysteronics? What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out, is still a pertinent question. Thanks, - Mark -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
On 11/5/05, Mark wrote: Is there anyone who can shed some light on this without the anti-Orcacle hysteronics? No. Those who know have to go through proper channels. Oracle is a public company and the disclosure of its future actions has to go through proper channels or it will incur the wrath of the SEC. This mailinglist is not a proper channel, so all you will get here are links to the official press release and a rehash of previous speculation. (Rehashes are rarely better then the original, so if you care for the quality of the speculation the archive of this list is a good place to start.) Jochem
Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out in 2006???
Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? TIA Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
Last one people: I just realized that Heikki is monitoring our post pertaining to innodb. This guy/gal is an oracle employee. The enemy is amongst us. Beware. Haha Haha Ezra On 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
There is always Postgres if you're that paranoid ;-) --Harry Ezra Taylor wrote: Last one people: I just realized that Heikki is monitoring our post pertaining to innodb. This guy/gal is an oracle employee. The enemy is amongst us. Beware. Haha Haha Ezra -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RES: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
There are several opinions... I would like to forecast the real intentions of Oracle... FM -Mensagem original- De: Ezra Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviada em: sexta-feira, 4 de novembro de 2005 23:46 Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com Assunto: Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
At 21:49 -0500 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor wrote: Last one people: I just realized that Heikki is monitoring our post pertaining to innodb. This guy/gal is an oracle employee. The enemy is amongst us. Beware. Haha Haha Ezra Ezra, Your basis for claiming that Heikki is the enemy is ... what? On 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul DuBois, MySQL Documentation Team Madison, Wisconsin, USA MySQL AB, www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
Relax Paul: If you noticed it put the words Haha Haha at the end of my statement. Anyway, as I said, Oracle is out to make money. They will crush anyone that gets in there way. Ezra On 11/4/05, Paul DuBois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 21:49 -0500 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor wrote: Last one people: I just realized that Heikki is monitoring our post pertaining to innodb. This guy/gal is an oracle employee. The enemy is amongst us. Beware. Haha Haha Ezra Ezra, Your basis for claiming that Heikki is the enemy is ... what? On 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul DuBois, MySQL Documentation Team Madison, Wisconsin, USA MySQL AB, www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Should I buy commercial license?
Hi! There'a a great article about MySQL licensing: http://entwickler.com/itr/online_artikel/psecom,id,618,nodeid,114.html Basically, you don't need to purchase license unless you distribute your software. (And even if you do, it doesn't automatically mean that you should buy commercial license). -- Alexey Polyakov -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Should I buy commercial license?
On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 18:05 +0400, Alexey Polyakov wrote: Basically, you don't need to purchase license unless you distribute your software. (And even if you do, it doesn't automatically mean that you should buy commercial license). That's not necessarily true. Many people need to buy a license because they need the support that comes with paying for the software, or they need to support the development of a product that they are likely to rely on for their business. -- Jasper Bryant-Greene General Manager Album Limited e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.album.co.nz/ p: 0800 4 ALBUM (0800 425 286) or +64 21 232 3303 a: PO Box 579, Christchurch 8015, New Zealand -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Should I buy commercial license?
On 10/24/05, Jasper Bryant-Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not necessarily true. Many people need to buy a license because they need the support that comes with paying for the software, or they need to support the development of a product that they are likely to rely on for their business. But MySQL commercial license is just license and doesn't come with the support. (MySQL Network include the support, though.) So, I think, support would not be the reason to buy commercial license in MySQL case. Thanks, Kenji -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Should I buy commercial license?
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 09:29 +0900, Kenji HIROHAMA wrote: On 10/24/05, Jasper Bryant-Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not necessarily true. Many people need to buy a license because they need the support that comes with paying for the software, or they need to support the development of a product that they are likely to rely on for their business. But MySQL commercial license is just license and doesn't come with the support. (MySQL Network include the support, though.) So, I think, support would not be the reason to buy commercial license in MySQL case. I think you are confused about what the MySQL commercial license is. As I understand it, MySQL commercial license *is* MySQL Network, as detailed at the following URL: http://www.mysql.com/network/compare.html I cannot find anything on the MySQL website about purchasing a commercial license without support. -- Jasper Bryant-Greene General Manager Album Limited e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.album.co.nz/ p: 0800 4 ALBUM (0800 425 286) or +64 21 232 3303 a: PO Box 579, Christchurch 8015, New Zealand -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Should I buy commercial license?
Well, actually they did sell only commercial licence bofore starting to sell MySQL Network. And, we cannot find anything this commercial license purchase process any more. However, still it's not impossible to buy them directlly, so I would like to clarify my understanding. MySQL Network concept is very understandable for me. P.S. Your footer is cool! Anyway, thanks! Regards, hirohama from Tokyo On 10/24/05, Jasper Bryant-Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 09:29 +0900, Kenji HIROHAMA wrote: On 10/24/05, Jasper Bryant-Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not necessarily true. Many people need to buy a license because they need the support that comes with paying for the software, or they need to support the development of a product that they are likely to rely on for their business. But MySQL commercial license is just license and doesn't come with the support. (MySQL Network include the support, though.) So, I think, support would not be the reason to buy commercial license in MySQL case. I think you are confused about what the MySQL commercial license is. As I understand it, MySQL commercial license *is* MySQL Network, as detailed at the following URL: http://www.mysql.com/network/compare.html I cannot find anything on the MySQL website about purchasing a commercial license without support. -- Jasper Bryant-Greene General Manager Album Limited e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.album.co.nz/ p: 0800 4 ALBUM (0800 425 286) or +64 21 232 3303 a: PO Box 579, Christchurch 8015, New Zealand -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kenji Hirohama -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Should I buy commercial license?
Hi Jasper and Kenji, There used to be a commercial license that was about $149.00 (USD) AFAIK without support as this was available separately. I would presume that the numbers of people buying this as opposed to a complete package with support was probably rather small hence a replacement by the community/network editions packaging the different needs and requirements of large companies vs. small scale developers. If any larger scale enterprise is considering MySQL (as they should 8-)) the network is a very cheap way of getting commercially available and supported software (certainly in comparison to some of the other DB's I come across. I also believe that you can certainly distribute MySQL as long as your software is distributed under the same license. If you wish to have a closed source product, you would be required to purchase a commercial license. The license has become an annual subscription rather than a one off payment. See https://shop.mysql.com/network_features.html for a list and comparison of features for the different levels. Regards David Logan Database Administrator HP Managed Services 148 Frome Street, Adelaide 5000 Australia +61 8 8408 4273 - Work +61 417 268 665 - Mobile +61 8 8408 4259 - Fax -Original Message- From: Jasper Bryant-Greene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 24 October 2005 11:39 AM To: Kenji HIROHAMA Cc: Alexey Polyakov; mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: Re: Should I buy commercial license? On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 09:29 +0900, Kenji HIROHAMA wrote: On 10/24/05, Jasper Bryant-Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not necessarily true. Many people need to buy a license because they need the support that comes with paying for the software, or they need to support the development of a product that they are likely to rely on for their business. But MySQL commercial license is just license and doesn't come with the support. (MySQL Network include the support, though.) So, I think, support would not be the reason to buy commercial license in MySQL case. I think you are confused about what the MySQL commercial license is. As I understand it, MySQL commercial license *is* MySQL Network, as detailed at the following URL: http://www.mysql.com/network/compare.html I cannot find anything on the MySQL website about purchasing a commercial license without support. -- Jasper Bryant-Greene General Manager Album Limited e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.album.co.nz/ p: 0800 4 ALBUM (0800 425 286) or +64 21 232 3303 a: PO Box 579, Christchurch 8015, New Zealand -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Should I buy commercial license?
Hello. The complete answer you can only obtain from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kenji HIROHAMA wrote: (I've posted to forums, but also send to this ML.) Hi, I took a look at mysql.com, but I still have a question about commercial license. If we build and host a web-system with MySQL, which provide services to customers not for free. Customers pay for our services. In this case, we don't distribute our softwre/system directly to our custom= ers. I heard from someone of MySQL AB, probaly CEO, that people should buy commercial license if MySQL Server is used for their business. (in other words, making profit with MySQL Server.) Should we buy commercial license in my case? Thanks, hirohama -- For technical support contracts, goto https://order.mysql.com/?ref=ensita This email is sponsored by Ensita.NET http://www.ensita.net/ __ ___ ___ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ /Gleb Paharenko / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ MySQL AB / Ensita.NET ___/ www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Should I buy commercial license?
(I've posted to forums, but also send to this ML.) Hi, I took a look at mysql.com, but I still have a question about commercial license. If we build and host a web-system with MySQL, which provide services to customers not for free. Customers pay for our services. In this case, we don't distribute our softwre/system directly to our customers. I heard from someone of MySQL AB, probaly CEO, that people should buy commercial license if MySQL Server is used for their business. (in other words, making profit with MySQL Server.) Should we buy commercial license in my case? Thanks, hirohama -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Should I buy commercial license?
Kenji HIROHAMA wrote: (I've posted to forums, but also send to this ML.) Hi, I took a look at mysql.com, but I still have a question about commercial license. If we build and host a web-system with MySQL, which provide services to customers not for free. Customers pay for our services. In this case, we don't distribute our softwre/system directly to our customers. I heard from someone of MySQL AB, probaly CEO, that people should buy commercial license if MySQL Server is used for their business. (in other words, making profit with MySQL Server.) Should we buy commercial license in my case? Hi Hirohama, Due to the fact that MySQL is licensed under a dual licensing system, you do not need to purchase a license of MySQL for using the database software for commercial use. You have a choice in the case that you don't like the terms of the GPL license[1], you can choose to license the software under a commercial license[2] from MySQL AB. For example you write a web interface to access data stored on a MySQL database, you do not need a license for MySQL, in terms of the GPL and you can freely utilise any version of MySQL which has been licensed under the GPL even if they change the license for future versions of MySQL you can continue to use the last version which was released under the GPL. Regards --jm [1] http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/opensource-license.html [2] http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/commercial-license.html Thanks, hirohama -- Jacques Marneweck http://www.powertrip.co.za/blog/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Should I buy commercial license?
Hi Hirohama, Due to the fact that MySQL is licensed under a dual licensing system, you do not need to purchase a license of MySQL for using the database software for commercial use. You have a choice in the case that you don't like the terms of the GPL license[1], you can choose to license the software under a commercial license[2] from MySQL AB. For example you write a web interface to access data stored on a MySQL database, you do not need a license for MySQL, in terms of the GPL and you can freely utilise any version of MySQL which has been licensed under the GPL even if they change the license for future versions of MySQL you can continue to use the last version which was released under the GPL. Regards --jm But, it would be a good idea to support the further development of the database by contributing to MySQL either by donations or license fees. Especially, if you like the product well enough to use it commercially. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Should I buy commercial license?
Hi Jim, Thanks for your clarification. I'm sorry, but I don't have enough understanding MySQL usage under GPL. If I use MySQL from web interface, like PHP, Perl, ASP .NET, Java, under GPL license, do I need to make my web-system GPL? I think, it's a topic about mysql client library within mysql connector drivers and how they are linked with my web-system. I'm not so sure... Regards, hirohama Hi Hirohama, Due to the fact that MySQL is licensed under a dual licensing system, you do not need to purchase a license of MySQL for using the database software for commercial use. You have a choice in the case that you don't like the terms of the GPL license[1], you can choose to license the software under a commercial license[2] from MySQL AB. For example you write a web interface to access data stored on a MySQL database, you do not need a license for MySQL, in terms of the GPL and you can freely utilise any version of MySQL which has been licensed under the GPL even if they change the license for future versions of MySQL you can continue to use the last version which was released under the GPL. Regards --jm [1] http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/opensource-license.html [2] http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/commercial-license.html Thanks, hirohama -- Jacques Marneweck http://www.powertrip.co.za/blog/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kenji Hirohama -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which License of MySQL Should We Buy?
hi, I'm working in a company which wants to have a client/server application on MySQL DBMS. our company uses MyODBC and MySQL Connector/.Net. We want to sell our application which license should we buy? Should we buy MySQL Network license? or there are seperate licenses for connectors? and should our customers buy MySQL license so that they can use our application on a MySQL DBMS? or they can just download it and use it with our application?(They should have at least one MySQL Server so that our app. can work on it.) Thanks in advance Chagh __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Which License of MySQL Should We Buy?
Hello. The complete answer could only be obtained from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shaghayegh Sahebie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [-- text/plain, encoding 8bit, charset: iso-8859-1, 15 lines --] hi, I'm working in a company which wants to have a client/server application on MySQL DBMS. our company uses MyODBC and MySQL Connector/.Net. We want to sell our application which license should we buy? Should we buy MySQL Network license? or there are seperate licenses for connectors? and should our customers buy MySQL license so that they can use our application on a MySQL DBMS? or they can just download it and use it with our application?(They should have at least one MySQL Server so that our app. can work on it.) Thanks in advance Chagh __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- For technical support contracts, goto https://order.mysql.com/?ref=ensita This email is sponsored by Ensita.NET http://www.ensita.net/ __ ___ ___ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ /Gleb Paharenko / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ MySQL AB / Ensita.NET ___/ www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A question about the open source license of MySQL
Hi We've developed a J2EE application for one of our customers. Currently, the system uses SQLServer as the backend database. The databse system is not embedded with the J2EE application and we can safely switch to other RDBMSes. I wanted to know that if we change the RDBMS from SQLServer to MySQL, do we have to buy the commercial license or the open source license suffieces as we've not embedded/tied our application with the RDBMS? Best Regards, Behrang S. -- Behrang Saeedzadeh http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A question about the open source license of MySQL
Hello. Complete information about licensing policy you can receive from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behrang Saeedzadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi We've developed a J2EE application for one of our customers. Currently, the system uses SQLServer as the backend database. The databse system is not embedded with the J2EE application and we can safely switch to other RDBMSes. I wanted to know that if we change the RDBMS from SQLServer to MySQL, do we have to buy the commercial license or the open source license suffieces as we've not embedded/tied our application with the RDBMS? Best Regards, Behrang S. -- For technical support contracts, goto https://order.mysql.com/?ref=ensita This email is sponsored by Ensita.NET http://www.ensita.net/ __ ___ ___ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ /Gleb Paharenko / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ MySQL AB / Ensita.NET ___/ www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: license question
Hello. The complete answer could only be obtained from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance, which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc., packages already provided by the distribution, plus some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge and other places - i just bundle them with the appliance). Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat. The end-user has no direct visibility to the database, in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL - all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache. In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free (under GPL)? -- For technical support contracts, goto https://order.mysql.com/?ref=ensita This email is sponsored by Ensita.NET http://www.ensita.net/ __ ___ ___ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ /Gleb Paharenko / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ MySQL AB / Ensita.NET ___/ www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: license question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daevid Vincent wrote: As my company and I understand it, if you intend on distributing mySQL on this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box with your own proprietary code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that interfaces to the STOCK/Untouched RDBMS, you NEED a mySQL Commercial License. This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not 10 times that. [snip] Daevid, The pricing you quote is for someone who is buying servers for their own business' use (i.e. 'enterprises'), and includes support, knowledge base access, alerts, etc., which is all part of a package called MySQL Network. If you're an ISV/OEM that wants to include MySQL in your product, you should contact [EMAIL PROTECTED], because the is dramatically different, but is negotiated per-situation based on the pricing model and revenue you'd be generating with your software. -Mark - -- Mark Matthews MySQL AB, Software Development Manager - Connectivity www.mysql.com MySQL User Conference (Santa Clara CA, 18-21 April 2005) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCS/Z3tvXNTca6JD8RAgEkAJ0UyzHWUWATRpPwmQZvKYkKpkKB2ACgyOKh h9LlJvg22cLnOICQuLZ7Ikc= =uPRB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: license question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point. Of which they do | not budge. | | We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute Oracle cheaper. | They only require a percentage of the final product price that their product | is packaged with. When the company explained they would rather use MySql an | pay them the same rates MySql refused. I'm sure there's a good answer for this, but I must be dense. In this scenario, why did you go to Oracle instead of PostgreSQL? Oracle = Pay percentage of final price PostgreSql = Free The times I've used PostgreSql, it's seemed a good product. Am I missing something? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCTBHmjeziQOokQnARAlPWAJ48vFaVNuIJqwJy7MeuELQNwHXN2QCcDy0m p13BPCbmEyYZbwS1cA1U9RE= =PKoE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: license question
As my company and I understand it, if you intend on distributing mySQL on this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box with your own proprietary code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that interfaces to the STOCK/Untouched RDBMS, you NEED a mySQL Commercial License. This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not 10 times that. If someone from mySQL can clarify that would be great, but this is how I read the license and that's why we've stuck to v4.0.18 which was GPL. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/opensource-license.html Our software is 100% GPL (General Public License); if yours is 100% GPL compliant, then you have no obligation to pay us for the licenses. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute. As long as you never distribute the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL license or not. If you are a private individual you are free to use MySQL software for your personal applications as long as you do not distribute them. If you distribute them, you must make a decision between the Commercial License and the GPL. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/commercial-license.html Building a hardware system that includes MySQL and selling that hardware system to customers for installation at their own locations. If you include the MySQL server with an application that is not licensed under the GPL or GPL-compatible license, you need a commercial license for the MySQL server. -Original Message- From: Pat Ballard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:03 PM To: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: license question Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance, which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc., packages already provided by the distribution, plus some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge and other places - i just bundle them with the appliance). Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat. The end-user has no direct visibility to the database, in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL - all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache. In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free (under GPL)? -- Pat Ballard -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: license question
MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point. Of which they do not budge. We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute Oracle cheaper. They only require a percentage of the final product price that their product is packaged with. When the company explained they would rather use MySql an pay them the same rates MySql refused. Thanks Donny Lairson President 29 GunMuse Lane P.O. box 166 Lakewood NM 88254 http://www.gunmuse.com 469 228 2183 -Original Message- From: Daevid Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:18 PM To: 'Pat Ballard'; mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: RE: license question As my company and I understand it, if you intend on distributing mySQL on this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box with your own proprietary code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that interfaces to the STOCK/Untouched RDBMS, you NEED a mySQL Commercial License. This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not 10 times that. If someone from mySQL can clarify that would be great, but this is how I read the license and that's why we've stuck to v4.0.18 which was GPL. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/opensource-license.html Our software is 100% GPL (General Public License); if yours is 100% GPL compliant, then you have no obligation to pay us for the licenses. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute. As long as you never distribute the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL license or not. If you are a private individual you are free to use MySQL software for your personal applications as long as you do not distribute them. If you distribute them, you must make a decision between the Commercial License and the GPL. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/commercial-license.html Building a hardware system that includes MySQL and selling that hardware system to customers for installation at their own locations. If you include the MySQL server with an application that is not licensed under the GPL or GPL-compatible license, you need a commercial license for the MySQL server. -Original Message- From: Pat Ballard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:03 PM To: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: license question Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance, which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc., packages already provided by the distribution, plus some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge and other places - i just bundle them with the appliance). Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat. The end-user has no direct visibility to the database, in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL - all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache. In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free (under GPL)? -- Pat Ballard -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: license question
Yeah. It's silly. The whole hardware x86 1U rack mount we use with 2.4Ghz proc, 256MB, 40GB HD, dual Gbps NICs is only $500. I don't know what crack the mySQL AB guys are smoking to think that they are competitive. We've already started to wrap our product SQL calls in our own API so we can migrate to Postgress (or something with an acceptable license). -Original Message- MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point. Of which they do not budge. We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute Oracle cheaper. They only require a percentage of the final product price that their product is packaged with. When the company explained they would rather use MySql an pay them the same rates MySql refused. This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not 10 times that. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: license question
Hi Folks, Take a deep breath and see how much an Oracle license is for a Solaris box with 4 cpus, AFAIK start looking in the thousands of dollars. Try SQL server, Sybase or Informix. None of the above mentioned are particularly cheap, some of these are costing over $595.00 per seat not per unit. IMHO $595.00 for an unlimited user configuration is not bad at all. Granted most users tend to be in the X86 world where hardware is cheap but lets look at the commercial reality of it all, $595.00 is not that bad considering the general backup and support along with the feature set that you receive. BTW it is only $295.00 if you don't want InnoDB. Regards David Logan Database Administrator HP Managed Services 148 Frome Street, Adelaide 5000 Australia +61 8 8408 4273 - Work +61 417 268 665 - Mobile +61 8 8408 4259 - Fax -Original Message- From: Daevid Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 3:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Pat Ballard'; mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: RE: license question Yeah. It's silly. The whole hardware x86 1U rack mount we use with 2.4Ghz proc, 256MB, 40GB HD, dual Gbps NICs is only $500. I don't know what crack the mySQL AB guys are smoking to think that they are competitive. We've already started to wrap our product SQL calls in our own API so we can migrate to Postgress (or something with an acceptable license). -Original Message- MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point. Of which they do not budge. We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute Oracle cheaper. They only require a percentage of the final product price that their product is packaged with. When the company explained they would rather use MySql an pay them the same rates MySql refused. This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not 10 times that. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: license question
--- Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As my company and I understand it, if you intend on distributing mySQL on this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box yes with your own proprietary code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that interfaces to the STOCK/Untouched RDBMS It's like this: my_code -- stock PHP/Apache -- stock MySQL you NEED a mySQL Commercial License. wowza! :-( This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! Well, it means your profit per unit (not counting SQL expenses) must be significantly higher than $600 Not easy, given the fierce competition in the current market. If someone from mySQL can clarify that would be great I agree that the license is murky. That's why i actually asked mysql.com a question through official channels. I'm waiting their response. -- Pat Ballard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
license question
Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance, which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc., packages already provided by the distribution, plus some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge and other places - i just bundle them with the appliance). Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat. The end-user has no direct visibility to the database, in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL - all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache. In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free (under GPL)? -- Pat Ballard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: license question
Hi Pat, I thought that was discussed before over and over on this mailinglist. I am surprised that many people have isues with that topic. Basically it boils down to 2 questions. 1) Will you include and ditsribute the source code and the changes (if any) and the GPL license in your product ? If yes, than you DONT need a commercial license. if NO, (in other words you dont want to publish any changes you made to the code) then you need a commercial license. 2) Are you selling the product or a service ? If you are trying to sell the customer the very same MySQL product for $$ that he can download, then you must be good at sales, no questions asked. If you are selling a service (Consulting, Installation and setup etc. than you also dont need a commercial license ( + same as under 1 applies). Summary: You only need the commercial license if you change the code and want to distribute it as closed source. You can however at any time make a support contract or buy a commercial license to show your gratitude for the MySQL guys. That is usually a nice gesture, gets you support and backup when you need it and last but not least makes you feel good (peace of mind ;-). I hope that makes things clearer. Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance, which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc., packages already provided by the distribution, plus some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge and other places - i just bundle them with the appliance). Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat. The end-user has no direct visibility to the database, in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL - all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache. In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free (under GPL)? -- Pat Ballard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: license question
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that was discussed before over and over on this mailinglist. I am surprised that many people have isues with that topic. Well... 1. Licensing in general can be quite confusing for a non-lawyer geek 2. I want to make 101% sure I don't take any wrong steps before hitting the market. 1) Will you include and ditsribute the source code and the changes (if any) and the GPL license in your product ? The MySQL source code, you mean? Well, it's a sealed appliance, a black box from the customer's p.o.v. (duh, think of it as a VCR or a toaster), but sure, i can throw in a CD with source code and stuff if it's necessary. I don't plan to make any changes or write any code that even remotely touches MySQL. The only connection between the code that I write and MySQL is via php-mysql / httpd If yes, than you DONT need a commercial license. if NO, (in other words you dont want to publish any changes you made to the code) then you need a commercial license. I'm not making any changes to MySQL whatsoever. 2) Are you selling the product or a service ? If you are trying to sell the customer the very same MySQL product for $$ that he can download, then you must be good at sales, no questions asked. Same reasoning would apply to the hundreds, if not thousands other appliances currently on the market which are also running Linux (which is also something that the customer can download for free). Are all of those companies just good at sales? Case in point: the Linksys routers which everyone owns and which run Linux. My appliance is the same. It just happens it needs a SQL backend. Might be MySQL. Might be PostgreSQL if either/or it's faster in my particular case or more liberally licensed than MySQL (which are things I'm still investigating). Might be something else. shrug -- Pat Ballard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
GPL license issue
It appears that the requirement #2 on the MySQL license page (http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/commercial-license.html) is not consistent with the GPL, which does not impose restrictions on non-linked programs. However use of the MySQL client JDBC or ODBC driver would appear to require either GPL'ing your code or your customers buying the commercial license, so in essence it is the same. Comments? Would use of a JDBC type-3 intermediate server be restricted as well, if only the intermediate server was GPL'ed? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MySQL license and GPL
Hello, My understanding of the GPL license is that if you link your own software with GPL-licensed software, then the GPL forces you to release the whole thing under GPL. I am a bit confused that MySQL seems to require that even stand-alone applications are released as open source. Does MySQL have a more strict interpretation of the GPL? Or is the license on the MySQL GPL + more terms? Or? BR Lotte -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL license and GPL
Hi Lotte, (B (BMySQL's dual License policu is very simple. If you use the GPL license (Bthan you have to show the source code (modified or not), and include the (BCopyright info when passing the code on. (B (BIf you dont want to do this (or in other words if you want to keep your (Bmodifications hidden) than you need a commercial license. (B (BSo if you use mysql within your commercial product and sell it as a (Bpackage and want to hide how/if you modified or improved the mysql source (Bcode than you will need the commercial license. Does that make sense ? (B (BBest regards (B (BNils Valentin (BTokyo / Japan (B (B Hello, (B (B My understanding of the GPL license is that if you link your own software (B with GPL-licensed software, then the GPL forces you to release the whole (B thing under GPL. I am a bit confused that MySQL seems to require that even (B stand-alone applications are released as open source. (B (B Does MySQL have a more strict interpretation of the GPL? Or is the license (B on the MySQL GPL + more terms? Or? (B (B BR Lotte (B (B (B (B -- (B MySQL General Mailing List (B For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql (B To unsubscribe: (B http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (B (B (B (B-- (BMySQL General Mailing List (BFor list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql (BTo unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OFF-TOPIC] MySQL License Question
Hi! I sent this question to the mysql license email, but it's been more than 3 days since then and I haven't received a answer... So I will ask it again here, to see if someone can clarify this issue. We are small hardware store. We have developed our own POS software to fill our necessities for our 12 stores. We developed our software using MySQL and Java, and they run on Linux. Our POS can run any other DB, but we really like MySQL. The thing is, we cannot afford paying a MySQL licence (every single pos we want to implement in the coming months will have to use a copy of mysql db installed) for every single POS we implement. As I had understood your license, we can apply for a GPL MySQL since our pos software: .- It's not for sell, we do no distribute to 3rd parties, our pos is only for internal use. We are using the MySQL that shipped with our linux distro. .- Our software can use other db's , we just use MySQL because it is really good and our choice, but we can use any other jdbc compliant db. Am i right ?? We would like to apply for a paid support in the future, but we cannot afford a MySQL license for each POS we implement. We haven't infringed in any legal aspect, since we have only used mysql for development, we still have not deployed, am i right? Would you be so kind, and explain to me, the details in this case? Thanxs! =) -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] MySQL License Question
Hi! I sent this question to the mysql license email, but it's been more than 3 days since then and I haven't received a answer... So I will ask it again here, to see if someone can clarify this issue. Are you actually distributing MySQL with your application? Or are you just using installations that are installed separately? You only need the licensed version for two possible reasons: 1) You are bundling the MySQL server or the C client code in your application which is not licensed under the GPL or a compatible Open Source Initiative license approved by MySQL. 2) You want support. That's it. Pretty simple. If your application simply *uses* MySQL but you are not distributing any of the MySQL source code in your program or along side your program you don't need the license. If I'm wrong about this someone please yell at me. I've been studying for the MySQL certification and this is covered in the first chapter of the study guide. :-) Regards Jim Grill -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] MySQL License Question
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 11:05, Jim Grill wrote: Hi! I sent this question to the mysql license email, but it's been more than 3 days since then and I haven't received a answer... So I will ask it again here, to see if someone can clarify this issue. Are you actually distributing MySQL with your application? Or are you just using installations that are installed separately? You only need the licensed version for two possible reasons: 1) You are bundling the MySQL server or the C client code in your application which is not licensed under the GPL or a compatible Open Source Initiative license approved by MySQL. NOPE, we plan to install the POS application in machines that previously have a MySQL installed. I mean, we will install linux into the computer, later we will install MySQL, and after that we will install our POS software, the POS software is just a plain jar file. So... as i can see, we ONLY use MySQL. We will use the MySQL version that may come with the linux distro, or one we compiled ourself. Second, the POS application is _ONLY_ for internal use. we haven't broke any rule, isn't it? =) 2) You want support. That's it. Pretty simple. If your application simply *uses* MySQL but you are not distributing any of the MySQL source code in your program or along side your program you don't need the license. If I'm wrong about this someone please yell at me. I've been studying for the MySQL certification and this is covered in the first chapter of the study guide. :-) Regards Jim Grill -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: License question
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License question
Hi, Sorry to ask this in here. If it's not the right place please ignore the post. I want to know if someone could claim a license upon an application wich was developed using Php and a non-commercially-licensed copy of MySql. I mean, the application is designed to work only with MySql as database engine and the MySql package delivered with the application, is licensed under GPL. Could the developer claim License rights upon the use of such a combination ? Thanks Mauricio -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: License question
At 16:30 -0700 9-09-2004, Mauricio Pellegrini wrote: Hi, Sorry to ask this in here. If it's not the right place please ignore the post. I want to know if someone could claim a license upon an application wich was developed using Php and a non-commercially-licensed copy of MySql. I mean, the application is designed to work only with MySql as database engine and the MySql package delivered with the application, is licensed under GPL. Could the developer claim License rights upon the use of such a combination ? Thanks Mauricio -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes GPL said that the source code must be delivered with the application (or it is available as FTP, mail, ...). The user can distribute the application without asking for a fee. About two years ago I read a FAQ that asserts about a moderate costs. The license is more restrictive about copyright and distribution but it doesn't contain any money issue. If you have some question you can write to gnu.org or you can report an abuse. See http://www.gnu.org Santino -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: License info
Santino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is very simple: Your question was forwarded to MySQL licensing people. You will receive an answer shortly. -- For technical support contracts, goto https://order.mysql.com/?ref=ensita This email is sponsored by Ensita.net http://www.ensita.net/ __ ___ ___ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ /Egor Egorov / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ MySQL AB / Ensita.net ___/ www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
License info
Sorry, but I send an e-mail to sales two month ago but none replies me. The question is very simple: Can I buy 2 licenses and transfer them to an hardware reseller that will transfer them to the customer? Thank you. Santino Cusimano -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] License question.
Hello, I sent a message to sales in order to have more info about licenses but I have not received any reply, so I post to the list hoping someone has any experience on it. A customer asks me to develop a Web-Application (Intranet) tobrowse their photos and PDFs, so I'm going to prepare, with a reseller, a document with costs (Hardware, Software, Support, Training, etc.). The customer needs 2 licenses of MySql because the application will be installed on 2 servers (primary backup). May I buy (and pay) the licenses and tranfers (resell MySql server with my application) to a hardware reseller that will sell the System (HW, SW, technical support) to the customer via a leasing company? What kind of document let the user use, according legal issues, MySql (My and reseller invoices)? Thank you. Santino Cusimano -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] License question.
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:43 , Santino [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hello, I sent a message to sales in order to have more info about licenses but I have not received any reply, so I post to the list hoping someone has any experience on it. A customer asks me to develop a Web-Application (Intranet) tobrowse their photos and PDFs, so I'm going to prepare, with a reseller, a document with costs (Hardware, Software, Support, Training, etc.). The customer needs 2 licenses of MySql because the application will be installed on 2 servers (primary backup). May I buy (and pay) the licenses and tranfers (resell MySql server with my application) to a hardware reseller that will sell the System (HW, SW, technical support) to the customer via a leasing company? http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing/faq.html I am nto the best with license-lingo - but since you are developing a project for a customer, and they are going to redistribute the software via commercial means - then you dont have to purchase - now if you were developing this on your own and wanting to sell it to the customer, then as long as you provide all the source code, you can use mysql free - The time to buy is when you want to develop an application and not provide source OR - you want some kick-ass customer support from the mysql team once again - not sure - read the link What kind of document let the user use, according legal issues, MySql (My and reseller invoices)? Thank you. Santino Cusimano -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Chris McKeever If you want to reply directly to me, please use cgmckeever--at--prupref.com A href=http://www.prupref.com;Prudential/AA href=http://www.prupref.com;Chicago Real Estate/A Prudential Preferred Properties www.prupref.com Success Driven By Results Results Driven By Commitment Commitment Driven By Integrity We Are Prudential Preferred Properties -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trying to understand the license
Hi all, I am still a bit confused as to the license for using MySQL. If I create an application in PHP, that uses a MySQL database (for example a shopping cart application) and I want to sell this application (not open source), am I required to pay a license fee? I found this quote: 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. Which I understand to mean, that as long as I am not distributing MySQL with my application, that I don't need to worry about it. Thanks for any help. - Charles -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trying to understand the license
Exactly. The license only becomes an issue when you distribute mysql itself. Essentially, the gist is you can't charge people for mysql; only mysql can do that. You could, OTOH, let folks get your php app, and provide a link so they can download mysql themselves. - Original Message - From: charles kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Trying to understand the license Hi all, I am still a bit confused as to the license for using MySQL. If I create an application in PHP, that uses a MySQL database (for example a shopping cart application) and I want to sell this application (not open source), am I required to pay a license fee? I found this quote: 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. Which I understand to mean, that as long as I am not distributing MySQL with my application, that I don't need to worry about it. Thanks for any help. - Charles -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trying to understand the license
I thought I read that if your app is not GPL and interacts with MySQL in any way, you must license MySQL. on 4/9/04 5:16 PM, Dan Bowkley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. The license only becomes an issue when you distribute mysql itself. Essentially, the gist is you can't charge people for mysql; only mysql can do that. You could, OTOH, let folks get your php app, and provide a link so they can download mysql themselves. - Original Message - From: charles kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Trying to understand the license Hi all, I am still a bit confused as to the license for using MySQL. If I create an application in PHP, that uses a MySQL database (for example a shopping cart application) and I want to sell this application (not open source), am I required to pay a license fee? I found this quote: 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. Which I understand to mean, that as long as I am not distributing MySQL with my application, that I don't need to worry about it. Thanks for any help. - Charles -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trying to understand the license
Only if you incorporate mysql into your app--for example, if your app is a database system based on the mysql engine. An app that merely talks to mysql doesn't require you to license it. - Original Message - From: John Mistler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: Re: Trying to understand the license I thought I read that if your app is not GPL and interacts with MySQL in any way, you must license MySQL. on 4/9/04 5:16 PM, Dan Bowkley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. The license only becomes an issue when you distribute mysql itself. Essentially, the gist is you can't charge people for mysql; only mysql can do that. You could, OTOH, let folks get your php app, and provide a link so they can download mysql themselves. - Original Message - From: charles kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Trying to understand the license Hi all, I am still a bit confused as to the license for using MySQL. If I create an application in PHP, that uses a MySQL database (for example a shopping cart application) and I want to sell this application (not open source), am I required to pay a license fee? I found this quote: 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. Which I understand to mean, that as long as I am not distributing MySQL with my application, that I don't need to worry about it. Thanks for any help. - Charles -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MySQL C API license
Folks, What license does the MySQL C API fall under? I am looking to add client support to a game that I am creating, but need to know the terms of the license etc. -Ron -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL C API license
To my knowledge it is GPL. Bernard On Friday 05 March 2004 17:52, Ronald J. Yacketta wrote: Folks, What license does the MySQL C API fall under? I am looking to add client support to a game that I am creating, but need to know the terms of the license etc. -Ron -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL GPL License Question
This is a fuzzy issue. There are questions regarding redistribution. Any distribution requires that you either comply with the terms of the GPL or that you get a licence. Additionally, MySQL AB have recently changed the licence terms of their libraries - now absolutely everything that the fine and funky folk at MySQL AB ship falls under the GPL. Previously, many libraries appeared under the LGPL, allowing you to link against them without needing to use a GPL-compatible licence. Hope this helps! I went through a very similar issue recently myself. Regards, Chris On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 02:09, Sam Vilain wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:44, Computer Mail wrote; If I create a program that just queries data from a MySQL table and processes it...am I required to release that program under the GPL? No. The below; 0. This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. The Program, below, refers to any such program or work, and a work based on the Program means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language. RMS has made it quite clear that a work based on the program means that you're linking the programs together, as with `ld' (or a *very* similar logical equivalent). Bundling GNU products with commercial software is openly encouraged. The output is unrestricted; Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the ^^^ Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on ^^ the Program (independent of having been made by running the ^^^ Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does. This clause does not catch the output from a MySQL server. On the other hand, if you were to link the MySQL binary directly into your program - avoiding the SQL server - then you would need to purchase a commercial license from MySQL AB to avoid the requirement for the derived work to be covered by the GPL. -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence. -- Mahatma Gandhi -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MySQL GPL License Question
I understand some of the GPL but I am a little confused on this issue: If I create a program that just queries data from a MySQL table and processes it...am I required to release that program under the GPL? I have a MySQL server set up with some tables and I created a seperate application to query the tables and process the data. Is writing an app that is able to connect with MySQL a situation where I will need to release it under the GPL? There is no code or any part of MySQL used in the application. Any help would be greatly appreciated. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MySQL GPL License Question
-Message d'origine- De : Computer Mail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:45 PM À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : MySQL GPL License Question I understand some of the GPL but I am a little confused on this issue: If I create a program that just queries data from a MySQL table and processes it...am I required to release that program under the GPL? I have a MySQL server set up with some tables and I created a seperate application to query the tables and process the data. Is writing an app that is able to connect with MySQL a situation where I will need to release it under the GPL? There is no code or any part of MySQL used in the application. I think that as long as you can distinguish mysql from your application you don't need a licence. When you can't remove mysql without playing into the code, it is embedded, thus require a licence. my 2cents Any help would be greatly appreciated. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL GPL License Question
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:44, Computer Mail wrote; If I create a program that just queries data from a MySQL table and processes it...am I required to release that program under the GPL? No. The below; 0. This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. The Program, below, refers to any such program or work, and a work based on the Program means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language. RMS has made it quite clear that a work based on the program means that you're linking the programs together, as with `ld' (or a *very* similar logical equivalent). Bundling GNU products with commercial software is openly encouraged. The output is unrestricted; Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the ^^^ Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on ^^ the Program (independent of having been made by running the ^^^ Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does. This clause does not catch the output from a MySQL server. On the other hand, if you were to link the MySQL binary directly into your program - avoiding the SQL server - then you would need to purchase a commercial license from MySQL AB to avoid the requirement for the derived work to be covered by the GPL. -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence. -- Mahatma Gandhi -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL License
Len, You shouldn't post private information to a public mailing list (never do that!). Please send these type of questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] But my guess is you should download and install it if you have not already done so. Ken - Original Message - From: Len Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: Re: MySQL License Hi, I recently purchased a licence. I received this email. Do I download the binaries myself or are you sending me a box? If I download it myself, do I need to create an account? If I have one, I've long forgotten it. Regards, Len Buchanan Datascape Technologies Inc. At 06:07 PM 12/5/2003 +0100, you wrote: Dear Customer: Included is your MySQL Classic License, ordered from MySQL AB. License number(s): 299376. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MySQL License
You might want to talk to a real Mysql sales rep person and request a new license number. You really don't want to be posting info like that on a public forum! Best of luck and Happy Holidays Jacqueline Shaughnessy -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL License
Hi, I recently purchased a licence. I received this email. Do I download the binaries myself or are you sending me a box? If I download it myself, do I need to create an account? If I have one, I've long forgotten it. Regards, Len Buchanan Datascape Technologies Inc. At 06:07 PM 12/5/2003 +0100, you wrote: Dear Customer: Included is your MySQL Classic License, ordered from MySQL AB. License number(s): 299376. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: License?
I would recomend reading up on the copyright laws in your country. publishing and distribution are legally defined terms. IANAL but IIRC publishing means to create a copy of something on a medium and distribution means to deliver that medium to someone else. These concepts get tricky in a legal sense, and the issue of presedence of contract law and copyright law needs to be determined. You may have rights granted to you through copyright law. In the context of doing things at work you are your company, not you as an individual, so your company is not 'distributing' it if you put it on a bunch of machines as you might be doing if you put it on a bunch of machines for other companies. This gets tricky when your a consultant and you have been hired to install MySQL... You should be able to ask MySQL for a clear answer to a clear question. Like all legal things, talk to a lawyer if there's a license issue. -- Michael Conlen Joel Rees wrote: What does internal distribution mean? Is it another thing than copying? I've wondered that myself. See http://www.gnu.org or http://www.fsf.org to get more information on the GPL. Licensing, etc., is explained on their site, http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Licensing_and_Support.html and they tend to be willing to answer questions if you send mail to their sales crew. Remember that publishing and distribution are two separate things. I think they used not to be very concerned about internal distribution, except in cases where the numbers were large, but I think their lawyers and business people having been pushing them to avoid ambiguities. Consider this example: A company has 2 database servers and want to install MySQL on both servers. Is MySQL free for the first server, but require a license for the second server? Or are MySQL free for both servers? Don't get me started. http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Using_the_MySQL_software_under_a_commercial_license.html http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Using_the_MySQL_software_for_free_under_GPL.html It looks to me as if distributing a modified version of MySQL appears to require either the use of the GPL on your modifications or the purchase of a license for each copy distributed. Modification includes linking an application to either MySQL or to one of the MySQL provided drivers. A GPL compatible license may also be used, I think, and if that path is chosen, it must be applied to all of your application source. Previously, the drivers were under the LGPL, which allowed linking an application that was not GPL compatibly licensed, and that was significantly easier to work with. Apparently (without further elucidation from MySQL) you can't distribute PHP linked with the new versions of the drivers (or even to libraries designed to work only with parts of the driver API that are uniquely MySQL's and therefore covered by MySQL's copyright). As a result, PHP 4 is distributed with libraries linked to the old drivers, and PHP 5 is distributed without the MySQL specific drivers directly linked. So the end user of an app written for PHP 5 must install MySQL and its drivers; separately install PHP and either compile the MySQL libraries in or, for MSWindows, set it up to use the MySQL shared libraries dll; and then install the app. You could provide an installer to install both PHP and the app, I think, but the installer for MySQL would have to be separate. (And if you built your own separate installer for MySQL, the installer would have to be under the GPL.) This would be because PHP is not under the GPL license, but under the PHP license, which does not require modifications to be published under a GPL compatible license in order to be distributed. If you use a generic driver, you may be able to avoid the GPL effects, but that's really beside the point. If it makes you money, and if you want it to continue to make you money, logic itself requires you to send some of the action back to the people that build it. In MySQL's case, the people who build it have set up a licensing program to make it easier to cooperate financially and technically. rant If you used, for instance, PostGreSQL, even though that license does not place any publishing or licensing requirements on linked code, the logic remains. Support the developers, or expect to find yourself stuck without support. Vote with your money, so to speak. (As I see it, the two specific advantages of open source and free software are, first, you can legally modify it to your own purposes, and, second, you can usually set up some way to get a good start without paying through the teeth just for the right to find out if your project is going to roll like a tank or roll in the tank. The concept of making money with no expenses at all is a mirage, and a dangerous one, and when you hear the suits talk about frictionless economy, tell them to take their manure generators elsewhere.) /rant -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http
Re: License?
IANAL but IIRC publishing means to create a copy of something on a medium and distribution means to deliver that medium to someone else. IAANAL, but IIRC publishing means to place a work in a public place, ergo, for people to view, hear, or otherwise become an audience or witness to. Roughly speaking. Copying and distributing are only relevant to publishing to the extent that they are used in placing the work in the public place. Current US copyright law recognizes the concept of publishing a work privately, and thus copying for personal purposes and internal distribution become subject to copyright restrictions. rant I personally think the US (and other countries who joined with the US in it) have taken a seriously wrong turn on that, because there's no clear way to avoid trying to prevent people from thinking copyrighted thoughts, but that has nothing to do with copying and distributing software. Freedom and the fate of nations hang in the balance, as our lawyers try to walk that tightrope. They need to back up, recognize magnetic domains and optical fields and structures built of them as physical objects, and re-build the copyright laws from scratch, and quit trying to make it possible to patent and copyright ideas. /rant Anyway, yes, consult a lawyer and the sales staff if you really must squeeze close to the line with the GPL. But it's usually cheaper to just buy the license, and buying the license does have the benefit of supporting the people who are building your tools. -- Joel Rees, programmer, Kansai Systems Group Altech Corporation (Alpsgiken), Osaka, Japan http://www.alpsgiken.co.jp -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
