Re: [newbie] PIII performance
Bottom line: INtel made the P-III to sell new computer chips so manufacturers could sell new computers. Their marketing department is extremely smart. Fact is, they're working on a new 64-bit processor called the Merced which they will NEED to keep up with that fire-breathing Athlon, a processor already ready for a 200 MHz Front Side Bus. So, will Linux support an orphan processor? Most likely someone will get enough of a kick from tweaking the last iota of computing power out of it. Iget a big kick out of showing the Celeron to be the equal of the P-IIg>, so it is sure to float someone's boat to produce Speckled Horse Linux just to make the P-III look good. Of course, it chagrins me to admit that NOTHING I do cannot be handled by an IDT C6 at 180 MHz, but there it is. Computers have been faster than fast enough for most of us for a while. Save your money for the Merced. IBM, VA linux, Intel, and a few others are already porting linux to it. Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am upgrading my computer from a PII 266 to something faster. I am considering a PIII 450 for 319$ or i can go for a PII 400 for 100 less. Does Linux (and future apps) use the extra PIII extentions, or should i get the PII? I am not on a tight budget (somewhat) but $100 is $100. thanks jerrud -- Civileme Say: "One who buys on leading edge soon know feeling of slide down razor blade of life."
Re: [newbie] PIII performance
Buy the PII - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:04 PM Subject: [newbie] PIII performance I am upgrading my computer from a PII 266 to something faster. I am considering a PIII 450 for 319$ or i can go for a PII 400 for 100 less. Does Linux (and future apps) use the extra PIII extentions, or should i get the PII? I am not on a tight budget (somewhat) but $100 is $100. thanks jerrud
Re: [newbie] Linux compatible Modem and sound card WILL NOT work under Linux. Why???
hi, if i'm not mistaken whenever u slot in an internal modem as either com 3/4 u'll have to disable also either com1/2. Take a look at the serial howto. The Postman [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/20/99 02:07:16 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Hamka B Hj Suleiman/SKO/PCSB/Petronas) Subject: [newbie] Linux compatible Modem and sound card WILL NOT work under Linux. Why??? My modem and sound card WILL NOT work in Linux. I have reset the bios which made everything get new IRQ addresses and such. But that just don't seem to work. I still can NOT get Linux-Mandrake fully installed. I can not seem to get the modem working after setting up the sound card. I just don't understand it. The modem works very good untill the sound card is configured under SETUP. Once the sound card is setup. The modem seems to get less dominant and stops working. Here is what I get when I type "isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf" [root@localhost /root]# isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf Board 1 has Identity 53 00 1e 1a 58 28 00 8c 0e: CTL0028 Serial No 1972824 [checksum 53] Board 2 has Identity 8b d2 b1 bd ab 31 30 72 56: USR3031 Serial No 3534863787 [checksum 8b] /etc/isapnp.conf:46 -- Fatal - resource conflict allocating IRQ5 (see /proc/interrupts) /etc/isapnp.conf:46 -- Fatal - Error occurred executing request 'IRQ 5' --- further action aborted [root@localhost /root]# One of the errors say "see /proc/interrupts". Well, the /proc/interrupts file is size zero and contains no data. Now what? My BIOS says that my modem is at IRQ 11 on COM 3 (ttyS2). Well, when I boot the computer, Linux puts out a line durring bootup that says... ttyS2 at 0X3E8 (IRQ=4) is a 16550A I don't understand how this can be possible. How can the Linux operating system see the modem at "IRQ 4" when the bios says it is at IRQ 11. The settings in Windows 98 even say that the modem is operating at IRQ 11. The bios also says that the sound card is set to operate at IRQ 5. So how could there be a resource conflict? If there is a resource conflict, why doesn't it get reported when I run Windows 98? Windows 98 says that the sound card is running on IRQ 5. That jives exactly with the bios. Windows 98 runs VERY smooth. LINUX is like a rough and rocky road. Is Linux-Mandrake 6.0 trying to invent its own bios and environment? What MUST I do to fix this mess? What information can I provide to help fix this thing? I am writing to MandrakeSoft and they are VERY slow at responding. Modem: Sportster 56K internal PnP Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 PnP. Postman
[newbie] Why do RPMs always install into /usr, not /usr/local?
Hi, everybody, When I partitioned my disk, I assumed that the basic installation from CDROM #1 would go to /bin, /lib, /usr/bin, /usr/lib, /usr/man, and that additional "optional" packages (from CD #2-5 and from the web) could go to /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib, So I made three partitons: / 2Gb /home 6Gb(with /usr/local symlinked to /home/local) /var 250Mb (with /tmp symlinked to /var/tmp) Basic installation would The idea was that if I needed to reinstall over my boot partition, all my /usr/local stuff would be safe (as would /home files, of course). I'd rather not have to download and install all that stuff again. Also, I could install another Linux distro and it would be able to see the partiton with all my installed apps and my home files. But as I look at packages in kpackage, I see that they all go into /usr/bin, /usr/man, So I tried using rpm with the --relocate option, but the package I chose apparently was not relocatable. Are most packages non-relocatable? How have other people dealt with this situation? Should I go back to a one partition model? Or keep the current 3 partition model, but put all of /usr in its own partition, perhaps with /home symlinked into it? Thanks for any advice! -- Joel VanderWerf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Modem difficulties
Original Message Follows From: Rick Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] it is. So, forget all these .config files we seem to have to manually edit with wonderful devices such as VI. [BLEAH!!] You know, there _are_ more intuitive editors out there--lots of them, in fact. I like pico, but kedit is pretty good as well. Of course, there aren't that many cases any more where you _have_ to manually edit the .conf files, as software like linuxconf and others tend to work as well. Also, I guess this means you've never had to hack the Windows registry? Nope. Never have. In as much as I'm comfortable using regedit, I've never had to use it to get something to work. That's not the point. Having to manually edit things was one of the major downfalls of OffulStinky/2. Then, of course, they were plagued by bad management, marketing and just a plain gawd awful stupid looking system. Heck, I'm running 2000 release candidate 1 now. Yes, the betas had their problems. But, that's why they call them BETA!!! When you can make a version of this Linux, whether it be Red Hat or Mandrake, that's better at plug 'n play than Windows, maybe more of us will start using it on a more pronounced basis. "So, quitcherbeleakin" yourself. Linux is getting much better at PnP, though it admittedly isn't to the level of Windows yet. Windows isn't anywhere near the level of the Mac, either, so why are you holding Windows out as the holy grail of PnP? Because it is. Unix has been around eons before Mr. Gates' MSDOS or even Windows. You'd think that someone would have gotten it right by now. Gates took the MacIntrash environment and made it work. One of my many employment endeavors was collecting shareware and freeware for the PC, Mac, Amiga [now THERE's an underrated machine] and the Atari. I've been there, done that and saw the movie. My first computer was in 1979. It was a TRS-80 Model I Level I with 16K of memory and the only storage device was a casette recorder. That was back just before the Crapple ][ came out with it's TRS-80 wannabe style. ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere!!
I'll be the first to admit that the monitor that I use is a $200 special at Sears. And, I too am getting the black on black menus and background until I put a graphic back there. Then the labels are black on black and so are the menus until I highlight them. Right now, I'm using Windows 2000 release candidate 1 with the monitor set at 1280x1024 at 24 bit color with NO problems like I'm getting in Linux. Even Windows 98 second edition uses these parameters. Original Message Follows I had a similar video configuration problem. The default setting Xconfigurator was choosing was giving a black screen with blackish icons (I think that means that the refresh rates don't synch). My problem was solved by manually choosing my display settings in Xconfigurator. Another thing I tried is reducing the type of monitor to one not quite so good (in custom monitor section). My monitor, being on the cheaper end of the scale does not work well at its maximum settings. By reducing the setting the picture quality improved considerably. I suffered similar problems using my hardware with Windows 95. My monitor does not perform well at its maximum refresh rates etc and I have terrible problems under Win95 with my AWE64 soundcard. If the soundcard is enabled in the device manager, Windows will not boot. I have to boot with the soundcard disabled and then manually turn on the soundcard using Device tab - a real pain in the arse if you forget to turn it off at the end of the session (Windows crashes on startup, reboot into safe mode, turn soundcard off, reboot again). I might have problems with sound permissions with my Linux box, but at least the card makes noise! -Original Message- From:Rick Fry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:Friday, 20 August 1999 9:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Not getting anywhere!! My sentiments exactly. I finally got my video configuration to go 1024x768 but the menus [for the most part] are black on black. This makes it just a tad difficult to read. Original Message Follows Well I think I am going to give up on my install of Mandrake. I cannot get it to recognize my modem or sound card. I have found out the my modem is on Com3 IRQ11 but have found no way.. even with everyones help of finding it or configuring it. As for my sound card it is found by linux when it boots.. but it aborts putting it in memory because it is sharing an IRQ with another item on the PCI bus.. which is fine in windows but not in linux I guess.. So thanks all for your help.. but this is just not hardware friendly enough for my current system. I guess if I want to run Linux I am going to have to build a specific box with all the specific hardware able to be detected and run. James ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: [newbie] PIII performance
I'd go with the AMD K6-3. even the K6-2's are a good bet. Just add RAM and sit back and enjoy. 8-) "up@3am" wrote: Buy the PII - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:04 PM Subject: [newbie] PIII performance I am upgrading my computer from a PII 266 to something faster. I am considering a PIII 450 for 319$ or i can go for a PII 400 for 100 less. Does Linux (and future apps) use the extra PIII extentions, or should i get the PII? I am not on a tight budget (somewhat) but $100 is $100. thanks jerrud
Re: [newbie] Linux for home consumers?
jeanette russo wrote: From: "jeanette russo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fw: [newbie] Linux for home consumers? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 05:25:35 PDT From: "Jeanette Russo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [newbie] Linux for home consumers? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:35:04 -0500 - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rosenkraenzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux for home consumers? On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Jeanette Russo wrote: The problem is if you look at this list a lot of people start I just bought Linux Mandrake 6.0 and can't get it installed. So I think the install still needs work. This is currently being done. 6.1 will have a completely different installer. Red Hat is also working on a new installer (which probably won't be finished for their 6.1; I expect to see it in 7.0). Also still have problems with dependency's in installing software and I installed the whole distro. Which ones? Ok here is what I am talking about and I have other programs I can't get installed. As I say I installed everything on Mandrake 5.3 yet still everything needs something I don't have and don't know how to get. When Linux can solve these problems its going to be a lot more consumer friendly. OK Bero here is what I am having trouble installing plus anything using the GTK update library since I can't get that installed. And a lot of HTML editors that I want to use are using this library like Bluefish. Jeanette Here are some of them I can' get installed gtk+-1.2.3-2.i, coffeeLinux glibc.tar.gz cooledit-3.11.6-1.i386.rpm curl-5.9.1-1.i386.rpm, gaim-0.8.1-1, and gaim-0.9.7-1, WebMaker-0.8.r-4.i386.rpm. By any chance, are you trying to install RPMs that were meant for either an older version, or a very different distribution (e.g. SuSE)? I have about 6 programs I am trying to install and can't install any of them. Which ones? Where can I download them to see? LLaP bero -- Tired of waiting for Windows 2000? STOP WAITING! http://www.ms-windows-2000.com/ ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere!!
I think that this is due a video card driver limitation in XFree86. Bad settings for the monitor would produce different results. I know that my card (Diamond Stealth 3D 4000) works fine at 32bpp in Windows, but in Linux, I can't use 32bpp without running into what you're describing. You might try a lower color depth, but the same resolution- does that help? -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Rick Fry wrote: I'll be the first to admit that the monitor that I use is a $200 special at Sears. And, I too am getting the black on black menus and background until I put a graphic back there. Then the labels are black on black and so are the menus until I highlight them. Right now, I'm using Windows 2000 release candidate 1 with the monitor set at 1280x1024 at 24 bit color with NO problems like I'm getting in Linux. Even Windows 98 second edition uses these parameters. Original Message Follows I had a similar video configuration problem. The default setting Xconfigurator was choosing was giving a black screen with blackish icons (I think that means that the refresh rates don't synch). My problem was solved by manually choosing my display settings in Xconfigurator. Another thing I tried is reducing the type of monitor to one not quite so good (in custom monitor section). My monitor, being on the cheaper end of the scale does not work well at its maximum settings. By reducing the setting the picture quality improved considerably. I suffered similar problems using my hardware with Windows 95. My monitor does not perform well at its maximum refresh rates etc and I have terrible problems under Win95 with my AWE64 soundcard. If the soundcard is enabled in the device manager, Windows will not boot. I have to boot with the soundcard disabled and then manually turn on the soundcard using Device tab - a real pain in the arse if you forget to turn it off at the end of the session (Windows crashes on startup, reboot into safe mode, turn soundcard off, reboot again). I might have problems with sound permissions with my Linux box, but at least the card makes noise! -Original Message- From: Rick Fry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 20 August 1999 9:43 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Not getting anywhere!! My sentiments exactly. I finally got my video configuration to go 1024x768 but the menus [for the most part] are black on black. This makes it just a tad difficult to read. Original Message Follows Well I think I am going to give up on my install of Mandrake. I cannot get it to recognize my modem or sound card. I have found out the my modem is on Com3 IRQ11 but have found no way.. even with everyones help of finding it or configuring it. As for my sound card it is found by linux when it boots.. but it aborts putting it in memory because it is sharing an IRQ with another item on the PCI bus.. which is fine in windows but not in linux I guess.. So thanks all for your help.. but this is just not hardware friendly enough for my current system. I guess if I want to run Linux I am going to have to build a specific box with all the specific hardware able to be detected and run. James ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
[newbie] ISP
What is the easiest way to configure dial up networking to connect to an ISP using 6.0. I still haven't figured out where the display properties are to change the size of the screen. Thanks for your help, Jason
[newbie] Dual Boot
In some of the messages I have been reading there is mention of determining which OS to boot with. Mine will only boot on Linux. There is no choice. I did not partition the whole hard drive to Linux. I believe windows is still there. Jason
RE: [newbie] StarOffice Installation
Title: RE: [newbie] StarOffice Installation Is there a way to automate this so that each user does not have to install it? -Original Message- From: Ty Mixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 5:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] StarOffice Installation Actually, the network install is preferable also if you have more than one person using the computer. It allows most of the files to be stored in a central location, then you just have each user run setup and it will only take a little more space rather than a full installation each time. IE: Husband and wife and kids all on one Linux box (or network). But you're not allowed to use it free for business purposes. -- Ty Mixon e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 26147713 Original Message dated 8/19/99, 1:30:01 PM Author: Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Re: [newbie] StarOffice Installation: [snip] For setup, choose a single user install. I believe the Network Option is for many users on a network who would need individual licenses, and it must be installed on the network server by the system administrator. Try again as a Single User installation. Civileme
[newbie] Network Cards
Can anyone tell me if a soho basic network card is supported by linux?? Also, how do I get my computer hooked up to a network? What command(s) do I use??? Thanks in advance!
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot
I'm guessing you want the choice to boot between Linux Windows? Well, you just need to setup lilo a little differently. First, you need to know which partition your Windows C: drive is. If you're not sure, run `fdisk -l /dev/hda` (assuming Windows is on hda) and look for a FAT partition. Once you know the Windows drive (we'll say it's /dev/hda1) you need to edit lilo.conf (in any editor you like). There will be a section that looks like: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.9-19mdk label=linux root=/dev/hda5 read-only You need to add a section either just below these lines or just above them. Whichever one is first will be loaded by default. other=/dev/hda1 label=win table=/dev/hda Above is an example section for Windows. Adding this to lilo.conf (and running `/sbin/lilo` after saving it) will let you boot Windows from /dev/hda1 by typing "win" at the LILO prompt. -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Jason Cunningham wrote: In some of the messages I have been reading there is mention of determining which OS to boot with. Mine will only boot on Linux. There is no choice. I did not partition the whole hard drive to Linux. I believe windows is still there. Jason
RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere
Flame thrower locked and loaded. hehehe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Fry Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 7:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system! It's totally FUCKING USELESS Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad losers are just wasting your lives. -- -- Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
RE: [newbie] Kernel Recompile
I found a tidbit of information that may pertain to your situation. Here is the URL for the info: http://www.patoche.org/LTT/kernel/0153.html Basically, the info says that these modules aren't needed. You can safely comment these out in /etc/conf.modules. They are just some compression types for network protocols that were left over and not commented out. original message I am using Mandrtake 6.0 with the s.s.9-27 kernel that comes with it. I recompiled the kernel using the following steps: xconfig -- checked off only the items needed by my computer. make dep make bzImage make modules make modules install The last command, make modules install, automatically installed the new kernel and system map. I know this because the old ones were there too. Lilo was changed with the /sbin/lilo command. However, when i rebooted the new kernel I got the following error message repeated down the screen: can't find module: net-pf-01 My compute is at home and is not hooked up to any network and I thought I told it to not load any of the networking daemons. Any ideas on what may be wrong? Thanx, SA ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
RE: [newbie] StarOffice Installation
I don't know. I would suppose you could write a script or something, but that's beyond my current capabilities. RTFM? Ty Original Message dated 8/20/99, 6:43:21 AM Author: Stephan Schutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: RE: [newbie] StarOffice Installation: Is there a way to automate this so that each user does not have to install it? -Original Message- From: Ty Mixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 5:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie] StarOffice Installation Actually, the network install is preferable also if you have more than one person using the computer. It allows most of the files to be stored in a central location, then you just have each user run setup and it will only take a little more space rather than a full installation each time. IE: Husband and wife and kids all on one Linux box (or network). But you're not allowed to use it free for business purposes. -- Ty Mixon e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:26147713
Re: [newbie] Not getting anywhere!!
Hmmm, Ever try Accelerated-X? surf on over to CheapBytes or GatorOnline or linuxmall and BUY it. Read the fine print first and make sure the package they're selling is the one that supports your hardware. Contact the manufacturer if in doubt. My Panasonic CF-62 didn't work on one linux for graphics. Another supplied 1024x768 with 256 colors. My final version runs Festen at 1024x768 with 16-bit color. In order to get it, I had to play with modelines and erase those the X server was discarding, and change the internal chip timing (!!)from the configuration file. What's the difference? With Win95, Iused to lose the PDdrive at odd intervals, and Ihad a lock-up about 3-4 times per week. I'm still waiting for the first crash with Festen. I'd upgrade, but Isee no reason to add the features of Venus on a P-133 with no real upward path in disk size. So, if you think Windows is so great, stay there. If you are unhappy because your hardware is an orphan to linux think about (good heavens!!!) paying for some software to help you. Civileme Rick Fry wrote: I'll be the first to admit that the monitor that I use is a $200 special at Sears. And, I too am getting the black on black menus and background until I put a graphic back there. Then the labels are black on black and so are the menus until I highlight them. Right now, I'm using Windows 2000 release candidate 1 with the monitor set at 1280x1024 at 24 bit color with NO problems like I'm getting in Linux. Even Windows 98 second edition uses these parameters. Original Message Follows I had a similar video configuration problem. The default setting Xconfigurator was choosing was giving a black screen with blackish icons (I think that means that the refresh rates don't synch). My problem was solved by manually choosing my display settings in Xconfigurator. Another thing I tried is reducing the type of monitor to one not quite so good (in custom monitor section). My monitor, being on the cheaper end of the scale does not work well at its maximum settings. By reducing the setting the picture quality improved considerably. I suffered similar problems using my hardware with Windows 95. My monitor does not perform well at its maximum refresh rates etc and I have terrible problems under Win95 with my AWE64 soundcard. If the soundcard is enabled in the device manager, Windows will not boot. I have to boot with the soundcard disabled and then manually turn on the soundcard using Device tab - a real pain in the arse if you forget to turn it off at the end of the session (Windows crashes on startup, reboot into safe mode, turn soundcard off, reboot again). I might have problems with sound permissions with my Linux box, but at least the card makes noise! > -Original Message- > From: Rick Fry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, 20 August 1999 9:43 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Not getting anywhere!! > > My sentiments exactly. I finally got my video configuration to go 1024x768 > > but the menus [for the most part] are black on black. This makes it just a > > tad difficult to read. > > > Original Message Follows > > Well I think I am going to give up on my install of Mandrake. > > I cannot get it to recognize my modem or sound card. > > I have found out the my modem is on Com3 IRQ11 but have found no way.. > even with everyones help of finding it or configuring it. > > As for my sound card it is found by linux when it boots.. but it aborts > putting it in memory because it is sharing an IRQ with another item on the > PCI bus.. which is fine in windows but not in linux I guess.. > > So thanks all for your help.. but this is just not hardware friendly > enough > for my current system. > > I guess if I want to run Linux I am going to have to build a specific box > with all the specific hardware able to be detected and run. > > James > > > > ___ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Civileme Say: "He who buys Pentium III had lots of bucks"
Re: [newbie] PIII performance
There is one advantage to buying an Intel chip that I've found. All the dual processor boards (except one I'm told (by The Computer Underground Pres)) only support Intel chips. So I'm stuck buying an Intel chip when I start building my new machine. Sigh . . . -- Ty Mixon e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:26147713 Original Message [snip] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:04 PM Subject: [newbie] PIII performance I am upgrading my computer from a PII 266 to something faster. I am considering a PIII 450 for 319$ or i can go for a PII 400 for 100 less. Does Linux (and future apps) use the extra PIII extentions, or should i get the PII? I am not on a tight budget (somewhat) but $100 is $100. thanks jerrud
RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere - IGNORE THIS TROLL!
This guy is trolling you all. (for the newbies a troll is someone who instigates flamewars by using inflammatory language) Please don't pander to his wishes by responding. (Ithought I sniffed a troll the other day ; ) ttfn nick
Re: [newbie] how to connect thru proxy
Two different connectors one for t-base other for DSL I do have both working now, however I can only ping to the server, not going out to the intranet or proxy it will ping to either a ip or host name or localhost, but no futher. On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:21:05 + Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm, I do bel.ieve eth0 needs to be activated, even if not connected Is there some reason that eth0 is hanging? Why not use eth0 to connect to the proxy and eth1 to connect to whatever you will have in the future? Move the wire and change eth1 to eth0 in each of the panels. Civileme Dave Reinhardt wrote: I set the default and I got connected and then I changed something so that now my new problem is that when I boot the eth1 is no longer mounted. any idea where i went wrong besides making any changes on a system that works g? Is there a place that tells what should be in each of the windows of network setup? like for each tab I have: TAB names: Hostname: SeaPort6 nameserver: 192.168.1.6 TAB Hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.1.6 SeaPort6 TAB interfaces: lo 127.0.0.1 none yes active eth1 192.168.1.6none yes inactive eth0 none -- this is not connected to anything yet TAB routing: x network packet forwarding default gateway 192.168.1.254 default device eth1 when i activate the eth1 above and save nothing changes On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:45:33 +0200 Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you set your default gateway to point to the internal network interface of the proxy? Jo Dave Reinhardt wrote: I would like to connect my Linux server thru an existing proxy Server on my intranet. BUT I can not even ping the location. I have been having problems finding instructions for setting up Linux as a server. Most instructors are for a client and dial-up access. Please point me in the right direction.. Dave Reinhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.WoodsideDelSer.com Dave Reinhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.WoodsideDelSer.com -- Rejoice, the wait for Windows 2000 is over! http://www.ms-windows-2000.com/ Dave Reinhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.WoodsideDelSer.com
[newbie] Red Hat Security Notices
Question: Can or should Mandrake 6.0 users install security patches from Red Hat, such as the one that was released this morning? The notice follows: Red Hat, Inc. Security Advisory Package in.telnetd Synopsis Denial of service attack in in.telnetd Advisory ID RHSA-1999:029-01 Issue Date 1999-08-19 Updated on Keywords telnet telnetd 1. Topic: A denial of service attack has been fixed in in.telnetd. 2. Bug IDs fixed: 4560 3. Relevant releases/architectures: Red Hat Linux 6.0, all architectures 4. Obsoleted by: None 5. Conflicts with: None 6. RPMs required: Intel: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/i386/ telnet-0.10-29.i386.rpm Alpha: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/alpha telnet-0.10-29.alpha.rpm SPARC: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/sparc telnet-0.10-29.sparc.rpm Source: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/SRPMS telnet-0.10-29.src.rpm Architecture neutral: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/noarch/ 7. Problem description: in.telnetd attempts to negotiate a compatible terminal type between the local and remote host. By setting the TERM environment variable before connecting, a remote user could cause the system telnetd to open files it should not. Depending on the TERM setting used, this could lead to denial of service attacks. Thanks go to Michal Zalewski and the Linux Security Audit team for noting this vulnerability. 8. Solution: For each RPM for your particular architecture, run: rpm -Uvh where filename is the name of the RPM. 9. Verification: MD5 sum Package Name - 4360d47490f13d60b8737d28dc88825a i386/telnet-0.10-29.i386.rpm 90213fcdca41a3ed12ab7d92344e7286 alpha/telnet-0.10-29.alpha.rpm 277787dbc39dff8ea84d4b16dcb7a954 sparc/telnet-0.10-29.sparc.rpm 269783a0754d234f7bef0f4717a8dbc2 SRPMS/telnet-0.10-29.src.rpm These packages are also PGP signed by Red Hat Inc. for security. Our key is available at: http://www.redhat.com/corp/contact.html You can verify each package with the following command: rpm --checksig filename If you only wish to verify that each package has not been corrupted or tampered with, examine only the md5sum with the following command: rpm --checksig --nopgp filename 10. References: Erik Gellatly Salem, Oregon
RE: [newbie] Red Hat Security Notices
I am not an expert but my initial thoughts would be that you might want to get the source files rather than the RPM's. My line on this one is that the RedHat RPM is compiled for the i386. I am assumming that there would be something in the configuration setup of the source for compiling it with i586 optimizations, thereby keeping it in line with the current philosophy of an operating system optimized for the i586. Just my thoughts. I welcome any corrections to this thinking anyone more knowledgeable might add to this. Also, one might want to check the Mandrake update list to see if this has possibly been handled and is available as an i586 RPM. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Erik Gellatly Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Red Hat Security Notices Question: Can or should Mandrake 6.0 users install security patches from Red Hat, such as the one that was released this morning? The notice follows: Red Hat, Inc. Security Advisory Package in.telnetd Synopsis Denial of service attack in in.telnetd Advisory ID RHSA-1999:029-01 Issue Date 1999-08-19 Updated on Keywords telnet telnetd 1. Topic: A denial of service attack has been fixed in in.telnetd. 2. Bug IDs fixed: 4560 3. Relevant releases/architectures: Red Hat Linux 6.0, all architectures 4. Obsoleted by: None 5. Conflicts with: None 6. RPMs required: Intel: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/i386/ telnet-0.10-29.i386.rpm Alpha: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/alpha telnet-0.10-29.alpha.rpm SPARC: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/sparc telnet-0.10-29.sparc.rpm Source: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/SRPMS telnet-0.10-29.src.rpm Architecture neutral: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/noarch/ 7. Problem description: in.telnetd attempts to negotiate a compatible terminal type between the local and remote host. By setting the TERM environment variable before connecting, a remote user could cause the system telnetd to open files it should not. Depending on the TERM setting used, this could lead to denial of service attacks. Thanks go to Michal Zalewski and the Linux Security Audit team for noting this vulnerability. 8. Solution: For each RPM for your particular architecture, run: rpm -Uvh where filename is the name of the RPM. 9. Verification: MD5 sum Package Name - 4360d47490f13d60b8737d28dc88825a i386/telnet-0.10-29.i386.rpm 90213fcdca41a3ed12ab7d92344e7286 alpha/telnet-0.10-29.alpha.rpm 277787dbc39dff8ea84d4b16dcb7a954 sparc/telnet-0.10-29.sparc.rpm 269783a0754d234f7bef0f4717a8dbc2 SRPMS/telnet-0.10-29.src.rpm These packages are also PGP signed by Red Hat Inc. for security. Our key is available at: http://www.redhat.com/corp/contact.html You can verify each package with the following command: rpm --checksig filename If you only wish to verify that each package has not been corrupted or tampered with, examine only the md5sum with the following command: rpm --checksig --nopgp filename 10. References: Erik Gellatly Salem, Oregon
RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere
Moron from Univ of Waikato trying to hide behind a hotmail address. How sad. At 03:50 PM 8/20/99 +0100, you wrote: I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system! It's totally FUCKING USELESS Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad losers are just wasting your lives. --- - Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: [newbie] failing to unmount
www.linux-mandrake.com left side of page "Updates" Civileme Joe Brault wrote: HELP!!! my linux system is failing to unmount the file system. How can I have the system unmount correctly??? Help!!! Thanks -- Rejoice, the wait for Windows 2000 is over! http://www.ms-windows-2000.com/
Re: [newbie] wierd lilo thing...
C:\fdisk /mbr Use a dos disk to boot into dos. This is the only method to clean lilo out of the master boot record. (..or re-install Windows.) See ya, SA From: "Joe Brault" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] wierd lilo thing... Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:03:42 -0500 I have an interesting problem... I have totally wiped my hard drive, (thanks for all the help guys!) and I formatted it, even reinstalled DOS, but it still boots with the lilo and starts to run linux, then I get a kernel panic error. Does anyone know how to get rid of linux for good??? I wan to reinstall it, and I can't do it until all of this stuff is off... Thanks in advance for your help!!! Nighthawk ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
[newbie] A Response (was Modem difficulties)
- Original Message - From: Rick Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Modem difficulties Original Message Follows From: Rick Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] it is. So, forget all these .config files we seem to have to manually edit with wonderful devices such as VI. [BLEAH!!] You know, there _are_ more intuitive editors out there--lots of them, in fact. I like pico, but kedit is pretty good as well. Of course, there aren't that many cases any more where you _have_ to manually edit the .conf files, as software like linuxconf and others tend to work as well. Also, I guess this means you've never had to hack the Windows registry? Nope. Never have. In as much as I'm comfortable using regedit, I've never had to use it to get something to work. That's not the point. Having to manually edit things was one of the major downfalls of OffulStinky/2. Then, of course, they were plagued by bad management, marketing and just a plain gawd awful stupid looking system. Heck, I'm running 2000 release candidate 1 now. Yes, the betas had their problems. But, that's why they call them BETA!!! When you can make a version of this Linux, whether it be Red Hat or Mandrake, that's better at plug 'n play than Windows, maybe more of us will start using it on a more pronounced basis. "So, quitcherbeleakin" yourself. Linux is getting much better at PnP, though it admittedly isn't to the level of Windows yet. Windows isn't anywhere near the level of the Mac, either, so why are you holding Windows out as the holy grail of PnP? Because it is. Unix has been around eons before Mr. Gates' MSDOS or even Windows. You'd think that someone would have gotten it right by now. Gates took the MacIntrash environment and made it work. One of my many employment endeavors was collecting shareware and freeware for the PC, Mac, Amiga [now THERE's an underrated machine] and the Atari. I've been there, done that and saw the movie. My first computer was in 1979. It was a TRS-80 Model I Level I with 16K of memory and the only storage device was a casette recorder. That was back just before the Crapple ][ came out with it's TRS-80 wannabe style. I'm wondering if you are always in this kind of mood. Is it possible that you weren't good at that whole customer relations thing? Whose fault is it really that you have hardware that isn't supported by linux? Did you even take the opportunity to research what you needed to run linux? Did you check to see if your hardware is supported? I spent quite a while downloading Mandrake, and reading this mailing list getting info and researching the OS before even begining to install it. I found out what I would be up against, and I asked my questions and got useful, and respectful answers. Your attitude is not productive at all. Everyone tries to help and all you do is snap back. For someone who was in tech support, I would think that you'd be more understanding. Did you appreciate the kind of attitude you exhibit from your ISP's customers when you were trying to help THEM? Look, every OS is going to have it's shortcomings, not all of which can be helped (especially with a GNU licensed OS, that has people taking their own time and working for free to build a community and a philosophy). Maybe this isn't the mailing list for you, and maybe linux is not the OS for you. If all you want to do is bitch, save us the trouble and the bandwidth, and do it in the mirror. I could be reading e-mails that will help me to further my linux knowledge, and spending my time responding to someone who can and will use the knowledge I have gained to help themselves. I am not doing this in a mean spirit in the slightest; I just believe that we should be dealing with helping each other, not squabbling. There's my 5¢, Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- A wise person has something to say, a fool has to say something. NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: [newbie] StarOffice Installation
- Original Message - From: Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] StarOffice Installation Well, if you do a network install, you do single user SETUPs with just a few files each. Why would you want to automate the setups? Usually you have one setup per user and the process is quickly done. CIvileme All fine, but I still needed to know if anyone knows why I get this error during the /net setup (I haven't tried the normal setup), and/or if there is a way to correct it. error: invalid compressed (deflated) data for libsw516li.so Also the abnormal termination when I try to start a text document once the user setup is complete. Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: [newbie] OT Video Database Management Software
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, you wrote: Thanks for all the help guys, I checkout that Kvideo list, looks good, but I think it's in German only...G Will take a closer look when I'm not so rushed... Building one myself is outta the question, not my style...G Not a very good programmer at all..G I might have to break down and make a spread sheet for it:(... This latter is probably the REAL answer... :-) Just make that spreadsheet in a database program and you're all set. :-) John
Re: [newbie] PIII performance
In my opinion you should stick with the PII, The PIII doesn't worth the extra money. El jue, 19 ago 1999, escribiste: I am upgrading my computer from a PII 266 to something faster. I am considering a PIII 450 for 319$ or i can go for a PII 400 for 100 less. Does Linux (and future apps) use the extra PIII extentions, or should i get the PII? I am not on a tight budget (somewhat) but $100 is $100. thanks jerrud
RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere - IGNORE THIS TROLL!
Do you put this in /etc/hosts.deny? Thanks, Bryan "Ken Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/20/99 12:19:24 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Bryan Moorehead/Link/Allied Holdings) Subject: RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere - IGNORE THIS TROLL! Not a problem. I flamed him at his hotmail account instead of here and then promptly added *@hotmail.com to my list of junk senders that automatically go to /dev/null. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nick Kay Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 8:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere - IGNORE THIS TROLL! This guy is trolling you all. (for the newbies a troll is someone who instigates flamewars by using inflammatory language) Please don't pander to his wishes by responding. (Ithought I sniffed a troll the other day ; ) ttfn nick
Re: [newbie] Flamebait
hahhahaa, FUCKING USELESS so-called operating system? I just laugh at how windows makes it's USERS useless. El vie, 20 ago 1999, escribiste: Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but this just looks like flamebait to me. I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system! It's totally FUCKING USELESS Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad losers are just wasting your lives. Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
[newbie] RealPlayer G2 and MP# problems
I have recently installed RealPlayer G2, but when I play a RealMedia file (on my harddrive), garbled sound. I also get the same audio with MP2 and 3 files Also, RealMedia files don't automatically open in G2. Any assistance would be helpful in both areas. Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, you wrote: %_In some of the messages I have been reading there is mention of determining which OS to boot with. Mine will only boot on Linux. There is no choice. I did not partition the whole hard drive to Linux. I believe windows is still there. Did you select Windows as an alternate operating system when given a chance? If not, you'll have to edit /etc/lilo.conf and re-run /sbin/lilo and hope that takes care of it. If that doesn't work, or sounds like too much trouble, make a Linux boot disk with "mkbootdisk kernel /dev/fd0" (minus quotes) and then boot to a DOS floppy with FDISK on it and run "fdisk /mbr"and then whenever you want to boot to Linux, just stick your boot floppy into the floppy drive and boot to Linux that way. John
Re: [RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere]
Rick Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system! It's totally FUCKING USELESS Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad losers are just wasting your lives. == OK, Rick. We'll put you down as undecided 8-) Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [newbie] Not getting anywhere
hmmm, Glad I dropped the sendername in a kill folder. Looks like he is ready to distract us from our purposes. Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moron from Univ of Waikato trying to hide behind a hotmail address. How sad. At 03:50 PM 8/20/99 +0100, you wrote: >I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system! >It's totally FUCKING USELESS >Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad >losers are just wasting your lives. > >--- - >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > -- visit http://homepages.msn.com/invalid_url Is Microsoft afraid to pay itself license fees for IIS? Sure looks like an Apache (open-source) Signature to me
RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere - IGNORE THIS TROLL!
I'm actually using Outlook98 as my mail reader so the comment about /dev/null was actually more tongue-in-cheek. It comes with a configurable junk mail filter. Now, to answer your question. There is an anti-spam filter, I believe it is called clean, available on your Mandrake distribution. I don't think it works with sendmail but is designed to work with one of the other mail servers available on the distribution, which is probably a good thing because my understanding is that sendmail is, excuse the expression, a bitch to configure. I know it's becoming a little cliche but check through the Linux docs, or, if we are lucky, maybe one of the more enlightened souls can clue us in on the use of this tool. BTW, for those who don't know /dev/null actually exists. It is a kind of cyber black hole you can actually direct output to when you don't want to see it, i.e. a program may create output that you don't really need so you just redirect it to /dev/null so it doesn't bother you. i.e. [user somedirectory] # thisprogramprintsjunk /dev/null -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 10:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere - IGNORE THIS TROLL! Do you put this in /etc/hosts.deny? Thanks, Bryan "Ken Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/20/99 12:19:24 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Bryan Moorehead/Link/Allied Holdings) Subject: RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere - IGNORE THIS TROLL! Not a problem. I flamed him at his hotmail account instead of here and then promptly added *@hotmail.com to my list of junk senders that automatically go to /dev/null. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nick Kay Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 8:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere - IGNORE THIS TROLL! This guy is trolling you all. (for the newbies a troll is someone who instigates flamewars by using inflammatory language) Please don't pander to his wishes by responding. (Ithought I sniffed a troll the other day ; ) ttfn nick
Re: [newbie] failing to unmount
I believe that if you download the initscripts update RPM, the umount problem will be fixed. If you can connect to the internet from Mandrake, click the "updates" icon on the KDE desktop. Choose a nearby mirror, and away you go! If you can't get online from Linux, you can surf to http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fdownload.php3 and choose a mirror near you. You'll find update RPMs in the updates/6.0/RPMS directory. -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Joe Brault wrote: HELP!!! my linux system is failing to unmount the file system. How can I have the system unmount correctly??? Help!!! Thanks
Re: [newbie] Does Linux use the Bios for Harddrives?
On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, you wrote: On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, you wrote: What's the sence to set up different mount points for / , /usr , /home , /anything_else if all of them are located on a single harddrive. I can understand this steps for /boot 'cause it must be located in first 1023 cyls, but what about / , /usr do you really need the separate diskspaces? Backup /restore is a lot easier. If you need to do a fresh install you can do it without killing your /home dirs if you have them on their own partition. Run a backup for each partition on it's own tape and when you need to restore a file is takes alot less time. -- Brett jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Flamebait
"I'm to lame to make it work therefore it sucks and Windows is better." The same kind of people think the MacOS sucks because they can't find the start button anywhere on the desktop. Feed a small mind enough shit and after a while he'll claim shit is the best thing on earth. On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, you wrote: Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but this just looks like flamebait to me. I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system! It's totally FUCKING USELESS Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad losers are just wasting your lives. Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Brett jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] PIII performance
Any idea where to get that card? AMD's are sooo much cheaper (usually). -- Ty Mixon e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:26147713 Original Message On 8/20/99, 11:11:24 AM, John Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [newbie] PIII performance: On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, you wrote: There is one advantage to buying an Intel chip that I've found. All the dual processor boards (except one I'm told (by The Computer Underground Pres)) only support Intel chips. So I'm stuck buying an Intel chip when I start building my new machine. Hmm...I seem to recall hearing about an "adapter" card that would take an AMD K6-2/3 processor and make it work in a Slot1 system That should take care of THAT problem. :-) John
Re: [newbie] PIII performance
I would get the PIII 450. You can actually get the cpu for around $250. The temperatures in the PIII is much better then the PII's . Thats my .02 Gavin On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, you wrote: In my opinion you should stick with the PII, The PIII doesn't worth the extra money. El jue, 19 ago 1999, escribiste: I am upgrading my computer from a PII 266 to something faster. I am considering a PIII 450 for 319$ or i can go for a PII 400 for 100 less. Does Linux (and future apps) use the extra PIII extentions, or should i get the PII? I am not on a tight budget (somewhat) but $100 is $100. thanks jerrud -- Regards, Gavin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ENTER.NET - "The Road to the Internet Starts Here!" (tm) (610) 437-2221 * http://www.enter.net/ * email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Network Cards
civileme, All I want to do is connect my linux box to the internet via my network card and the ethernet connection I have here at college, i'm not into much yet, just want to get it up and running :) Nighthawk - Original Message - From: Civileme To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Network Cards I cannot identify your card from the information given. Look at the chip on the card, then look at http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO-5.html Use "edit/find in page" to locate cards with that chip designation. As to how to set up a network There is a Networking HOWTO at the LDP site guaranteed to get you immersed in knowledge or thoroughly confused. To set up a network, I could give recommendations if I knew your plans a little better. Do you want to make a linux box a gateway for some other boxes out to the internet? Are you planning to use the network as a way of backing up files to one central location, to share printers? How many boxes? What sort of cabling do you have available or can you run? Once I know those things, Ican make some suggestions. Civileme Joe Brault wrote: Can anyone tell me if a soho basic network card is supported by linux?? Also, how do I get my computer hooked up to a network? What command(s) do I use??? Thanks in advance!-- Rejoice, the wait for Windows 2000 is over! http://www.ms-windows-2000.com/
Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future
Errrk! U, where do we draw the imaginary line? Iown a domain, civileme.com which is at present not residing on a host but merely forwarded. At one time, I had it forwarded to usa.net, and I sentr my mail out from that address. Then there is yi.org, the poor man's self-hosting aid. Ihave a mailserver running through that because the difference between a dialup 56K and a digital 56K connection with a static IP address here is $6,000 per year and the taxpayers don't need the extra burden. So would you block messages from farmhooligans.yi.org or nwarctic.yi.org just because anyone can get a yi.org address and send their current IP to yi.org and have the MX and CNAME and even nameservice forwarded? Iwill be putting 15 users on linux in less than 40 days. They may be approaching this list for help. Their addresses will be hotmail or yahoo or excite or usa.net or possibly nwarctic.yi.org. Are we to exclude them because they do not have a better address? I'm not trying to argue, just pointing out that this is something list owners have to wrestle with all the time. Exclusionary rules are two-edged swords. Case-by-case, such as unsubbing troll turkeys doesn't do much good, either, because they can come back, thrrough AOL or another mailservice or by one of the anonymous remailers out there. Shoot, man. I'm just glad this troll doesn't know how to send HELO to mailservers and discover a few anonymous SMTPs to relay to the list then send a BUNCH of things to the list, slamming us with subscriptions and confirmations then blasting away, using his dummy accounts as the reply-tos and the list as sender so the bounced mail comes back to us and... Well, this isn't supposed to be a course in mail-bombingg>. Anyway, their setup on majordomo would probably prevent that stratagem. Take care, Civileme Ken Wilson wrote: Just a thought for all the good people at Mandrake and the good people on this list. It might be in order to deny access to this list to any accounts from any of the anonymous mail services. I have seen these seen far too much abuse of these services by spammers and other morons (not pointing my finger directly at Rick Fry, who am I kidding, yes I am). I feel if the interest in this list is genuine there is no need to hide behind the curtain of an anonymous service and it would free up the list from this kind of moronic abuse. Ken Wilson Not as small 'l' liberal as I used to be. -- visit http://homepages.msn.com/invalid_url Is Microsoft afraid to pay itself license fees for IIS? Sure looks like an Apache (open-source) Signature to me
Re: [newbie] StarOffice Installation
The abnormal terminatio is from the defective data in the installation--Which may be the CD or your CDdrive Or dirt or scratches or fingerprints. Civileme Manny Styles wrote: - Original Message - From: Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] StarOffice Installation > Well, if you do a network install, you do single user SETUPs with just a > few files each. > > Why would you want to automate the setups? Usually you have one setup > per user and the process is quickly done. > > CIvileme > > All fine, but I still needed to know if anyone knows why I get this error during the /net setup (I haven't tried the normal setup), and/or if there is a way to correct it. error: invalid compressed (deflated) data for libsw516li.so Also the abnormal termination when I try to start a text document once the user setup is complete. Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- visit http://homepages.msn.com/invalid_url Is Microsoft afraid to pay itself license fees for IIS? Sure looks like an Apache (open-source) Signature to me
Re: [newbie] RealPlayer G2 and MP# problems
Definitely try sndconfig again. Your sound card has not been properly recognized/installed/drivered, unless you have a cracked speakerg>. Civileme Manny Styles wrote: I have recently installed RealPlayer G2, but when I play a RealMedia file (on my harddrive), garbled sound. I also get the same audio with MP2 and 3 files Also, RealMedia files don't automatically open in G2. Any assistance would be helpful in both areas. Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- visit http://homepages.msn.com/invalid_url Is Microsoft afraid to pay itself license fees for IIS? Sure looks like an Apache (open-source) Signature to me
Re: [newbie] Changing the Window Manager
The dumb question is the one you DON'T ask. AFAIK, the easiest way to do this is edit /etc/inittab On or about line 18, you'll run into id:3:initdefault: change the 3 to a 5 and save it. Now when you startup a screen will appear that allows you to boot into any windows manager you've installed. Going to a console can be done by raising an xterm or by ctrl-alt-fx where x is 2-6, with ctrl-alt-f7 going back to the windows manager. Civileme Steve Spiller wrote: This may seem like a dumb question, but I have only run Linux-Mandrake for 1 week. When I run startx, it automatically boots into KDE. This is fine, but I would like to test the other Window Managers that I installed. How do I use startx to boot into WindowMaker (for example)? -- visit http://homepages.msn.com/invalid_url Is Microsoft afraid to pay itself license fees for IIS? Sure looks like an Apache (open-source) Signature to me
Re: [newbie] Not getting anywhere
- Original Message - From: Rick Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 10:50 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system! It's totally FUCKING USELESS Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad losers are just wasting your lives. -- -- Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com sad Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Everyone has a right to be stupid. Some just abuse the privilege. NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: [newbie] RealPlayer G2 and MP# problems
- Original Message - From: Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] RealPlayer G2 and MP# problems Definitely try sndconfig again. Your sound card has not been properly recognized/installed/drivered, unless you have a cracked speakerg. Civileme Manny Styles wrote: I have recently installed RealPlayer G2, but when I play a RealMedia file (on my harddrive), garbled sound. I also get the same audio with MP2 and 3 files Also, RealMedia files don't automatically open in G2. Any assistance would be helpful in both areas. Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- My sound configuration is fine as far as I can tell. Audio CD's and wav files play clearly, it's just the .rm, .ram, .mp2, and .mp3 formats that are garbled to the point of incomprehension. Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
[newbie] one more newbie question.
I have a question. If I get a book with a CD rom in.. say 1.3 of Open linux or 5.0 or 5.1 of Redhat. Is it not worth my while to get that up and running at all?? If all I am using the machine for it personal use .. internet etc.. with these distros work fine for what a personal user needs?? So is the upgrade from 2.0 to 2.2 like win 95 to 98.. they both work.. just one will work better?? or does 2.0 have problems that I will find?? James
Re: [newbie] Does Linux use the Bios for Harddrives?
ok, I have one more question along this thread. I have a 520 meg harddrive on my NEC laptop.. I am going to run Slackware 4 on it.. because I can do a Floppy install with it. Can you do a FTP install of Mandrake?? Anyway.. how do you think I should partition my harddrive for a basic X internet laptop.. nothing too complicated.. just web email and IRC.. I will add whatever I can fit into it... so give me an idea? Should I just go with Swap and / or Swap / /boot /usr /home? and how much space out of 520 should I go? I am getting a 1.4 gig for the laptop.. so I will be using that in future for Linux I think. James
Re: [newbie] Not getting anywhere
As I have said elsewhere, keep your vitriol to yourself. Ask a decent question and you may get the proper answer given the proper experience of this crew with that hardware. -Original Message- From: Rick Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system! It's totally FUCKING USELESS Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad losers are just wasting your lives.
Re: [newbie] Changing the Window Manager
- Original Message - From: Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Changing the Window Manager The dumb question is the one you DON'T ask. AFAIK, the easiest way to do this is edit /etc/inittab On or about line 18, you'll run into id:3:initdefault: change the 3 to a 5 and save it. Now when you startup a screen will appear that allows you to boot into any windows manager you've installed. Going to a console can be done by raising an xterm or by ctrl-alt-fx where x is 2-6, with ctrl-alt-f7 going back to the windows manager. Civileme Steve Spiller wrote: This may seem like a dumb question, but I have only run Linux-Mandrake for 1 week. When I run startx, it automatically boots into KDE. This is fine, but I would like to test the other Window Managers that I installed. How do I use startx to boot into WindowMaker (for example)? -- visit http://homepages.msn.com/invalid_url Is Microsoft afraid to pay itself license fees for IIS? Sure looks like an Apache (open-source) Signature to me If you like booting to console, this is a good question. This was addressed months ago in this list, but I don't remember the answer. I would also like to know, just in case. So if anyone has the info, it would be nice. Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
RE: Re: [newbie] Changing the Window Manager
If you want to use WindowMaker you have to choose AfterStep, using the method below and then in AfterStep you can swith to WindowMaker from the menu at the bottom left corner. I think it says something like "switch to..." You can run `desktopcfg` from the command-line, or (from KDE) click on the K Menu, then Utilities Desktop Switching Tool. This will let you choose bewteen Gnome, KDE, and AnotherLevel. The command-line tool gives you a few more options. For even more control, you could just put the window manager directly in your .xinitrc file. If you're interested, I can explain it, but otherwise I don't want to take up bandwidth with a bunch of stuf nobody wants to read. -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Steve Spiller wrote: This may seem like a dumb question, but I have only run Linux-Mandrake for 1 week. When I run startx, it automatically boots into KDE. This is fine, but I would like to test the other Window Managers that I installed. How do I use startx to boot into WindowMaker (for example)?
RE: [newbie] one more newbie question.
Give the distribution that comes with the book a try. If you find you like Linux then look at getting a newer version. The advantage of the newer versions is that a lot of the setup has been simplified and the usual bug fixes are in place. You might want to aim your book purchase at one that has a distribution that is relatively current, RedHat 5.1, or the latest Caldera. Another option is buying a distribution of Mandrake that McMillan Publishing puts out. It comes with a CD with 3 on-line books. The rub here though is that you either have to be running windows and use Adobe Acrobat to read them or get your Linux up and running and then install Acrobat from the CD. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Schofield Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] one more newbie question. I have a question. If I get a book with a CD rom in.. say 1.3 of Open linux or 5.0 or 5.1 of Redhat. Is it not worth my while to get that up and running at all?? If all I am using the machine for it personal use .. internet etc.. with these distros work fine for what a personal user needs?? So is the upgrade from 2.0 to 2.2 like win 95 to 98.. they both work.. just one will work better?? or does 2.0 have problems that I will find?? James
Re: [newbie] Red Hat Security Notices
Erikthere's no need as that update (specifically for mdk 6.0) was on the mirror server I use this morning, see below: 08/20/99 01:03AM 56,757 telnet-0.12-10mdk.i586.rpm 08/20/99 01:03AM 26,002 telnet-server-0.12-10mdk.i586.rpm Just use the update icon on your KDE desktop and you'll get all the updates. Alan -Original Message- From: Erik Gellatly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:35 AM Subject: [newbie] Red Hat Security Notices Question: Can or should Mandrake 6.0 users install security patches from Red Hat, such as the one that was released this morning? The notice follows: Red Hat, Inc. Security Advisory Package in.telnetd Synopsis Denial of service attack in in.telnetd Advisory ID RHSA-1999:029-01 Issue Date 1999-08-19 Updated on Keywords telnet telnetd 1. Topic: A denial of service attack has been fixed in in.telnetd. 2. Bug IDs fixed: 4560 3. Relevant releases/architectures: Red Hat Linux 6.0, all architectures 4. Obsoleted by: None 5. Conflicts with: None 6. RPMs required: Intel: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/i386/ telnet-0.10-29.i386.rpm Alpha: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/alpha telnet-0.10-29.alpha.rpm SPARC: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/sparc telnet-0.10-29.sparc.rpm Source: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/SRPMS telnet-0.10-29.src.rpm Architecture neutral: ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/noarch/ 7. Problem description: in.telnetd attempts to negotiate a compatible terminal type between the local and remote host. By setting the TERM environment variable before connecting, a remote user could cause the system telnetd to open files it should not. Depending on the TERM setting used, this could lead to denial of service attacks. Thanks go to Michal Zalewski and the Linux Security Audit team for noting this vulnerability. 8. Solution: For each RPM for your particular architecture, run: rpm -Uvh where filename is the name of the RPM. 9. Verification: MD5 sum Package Name - 4360d47490f13d60b8737d28dc88825a i386/telnet-0.10-29.i386.rpm 90213fcdca41a3ed12ab7d92344e7286 alpha/telnet-0.10-29.alpha.rpm 277787dbc39dff8ea84d4b16dcb7a954 sparc/telnet-0.10-29.sparc.rpm 269783a0754d234f7bef0f4717a8dbc2 SRPMS/telnet-0.10-29.src.rpm These packages are also PGP signed by Red Hat Inc. for security. Our key is available at: http://www.redhat.com/corp/contact.html You can verify each package with the following command: rpm --checksig filename If you only wish to verify that each package has not been corrupted or tampered with, examine only the md5sum with the following command: rpm --checksig --nopgp filename 10. References: Erik Gellatly Salem, Oregon
Re: [newbie] failing to unmount
FWIW. I've done that and I still get umount - Failed when I shut down... Wayne - Original Message - From: John Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] failing to unmount On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, you wrote: HELP!!! my linux system is failing to unmount the file system. How can I have the system unmount correctly??? Help!!! There is a known bug in Mandrake 6.0 from the CDRom. You need to update the kernal and initscripts from Mandrake or one of the mirrors. John
Re: [newbie] PIII performance
I have 128 megs of RAM I dont need/want anymore :) jerrud
Re: [newbie] Changing the Window Manager
- Original Message - From: Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Changing the Window Manager Steve wants to know how to start a different window manager from the command line, not from within KDE (or booting to initlevel 5). Right, that's what `desktopcfg` does. Well, kind of. It is a console utility that allows you to change your default desktop- your choices are GNOME, KDE, AfterStep, or "Plain X11" which means fvwm2, I think. If you run desktopcfg as root you may change the system default. And since you asked... Another way to change the window manager that starts when you run `startx` is to put a command in ~/.xinitrc. This file is a shell script run after X has started (it is usually what loads a window manager). `desktopcfg` uses this file to start your window manager (WM). You may safely delete this, and specify your own script. Mine follows: #/home/matthead/.xinitrc exec kde I think that I'm going to replace "exec kde" with "exec enlightenment" as I'm tired of KDE, and would like to use Enlightenment for a while. The only thing I don't like is that you can't move windows around in the pager (a point for AfterStep, 'cause you can in there!)... but that's off-topic. Yet another way to specify a window manager to run with X is by appending it to `xinit` (`startx` is a shell script that runs `xinit` with some default arguments). Try, for instance, `xinit /usr/bin/enlightenment` This will start X and then run the Enlightenment WM. Because of the way `xinit` interprets your arguments, you have to specify the full path to the program you wish to run in X (it doesn't _have_ to be a WM). It doesn't even matter if the path to the program is in $PATH. If you're interested in the why, try `man xinit`. Which window managers are included with Mandrake? Here's a few (I installed the extra window managers package, so all these may not be on your system): /usr/bin/enlightenment /usr/bin/gnome-session /usr/bin/kde /usr/X11R6/bin/AnotherLevel /usr/X11R6/bin/afterstep /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm2 /usr/X11R6/bin/wmaker I'm sure there are more. Also, gnome-session starts GNOME, which is not a window manager, but rather a "desktop environment." This includes the panel, the right-click menu on the desktop, the icons, and more. GNOME uses Enlightenment as it's WM by default, but can be configured to use WindowMaker, or some other WM I can't remember right now. The same goes for KDE, execpt that I don't think you can successfully use any WM other than kwm, which is KDE's default. This is probably much more information than you ever cared to know, but it's still not all! However, I'll bet `desktopcfg` is plenty for most people. The thing is, if you want more control over what happens when you start X, well, you've got it. This is one of many advantages that Linux has over Windows: the freedom of choice. For any given task, there are usually several different ways to accomplish it, each with it's own unique advantages disadvantages. This means you can find the best way to get a job done- you're not locked into someone else's idea of "the best way," like you are with proprietary systems (Microsoft being only the most prominent). -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] For myself, thank you. That is exactly what I wanted to know. Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: [newbie] /home partition/mount troubles
How about moving the /home partition to the empty space and creating a sym/hard link to the new area? John - Original Message - From: Michael Chopek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] /home partition/mount troubles At 04:28 PM 8/20/99 -0400, I wrote: Do you have any free space on the drive? Yes I do...995mb left on the Linux partition.. Why could I not set it to something other than 7mb for the /home partion?? If so, you could use Disk Druid to set the /home partition to be growable, therefore filling whatever free space you have left I tried that last night...actually tried setting it to 500mb and it would not let me...all the way down to 10mb and still no luckit would only accept 7mb. As well I did as you suggested and toggled the "grow to fill disk"...but that did not seem to work either...as of today the /home partition is 100% full...can't even check my mail :-/ I'm sure I seen a post somewhere...maybe Deja news talking about something similar... As well in Disk Druid...it will not let me create any other mount points except /home...I tried setting a few mount points.../usr..etc...and it would not let me...only a 7mb /home mount point. ...strange ... Anyone run across this before?? - thanks - -- best regards -michael Michael Chopek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Down to Earth Development Ltd - http://www.d2earth.com/ Website Web Applications Development Extropia Developers Network - http://www.extropia.com/
[newbie] Of OS's Asses
I've been reading this list from afar for a few weeks now, but it is time to jump in the pool. The manner in which all of you have handled the "Hotmail guy" is exemplary. You know, in elementary school it was "my dad's bigger than your dad". In high school it was "my Ford's better than your Chevy". Luckily, most of us move out of those decades and realize that there are many wonderful things to choose from in this world. And that's what it is all about..choice, and more importantly, freedom of choice. I enjoy popping the hood and getting some dirt under my nails. With Linux , as it exists, this is what you have to do sometimes. But, it is, as we all know, changing rapidly. I started with RH5.2 went to COL1.3 to COl2.2 and now to Mandrake 6.0. In my limited experience, I have seen only positive and major changes. BUT, I also use Win98because I can. There are those times when I do not want to get my hands dirty!Don't get me wrong. Linux has changed my life. After 25 years of swinging a hammer, I begin courses this Fall in computer Science. I want to spend the rest of my days on this planet surrounded by people like you all. My choice. Keep up the good work! Tom B.
Re: Celerons and SMP( was RE: [newbie] PIII performance)
Ken Wilson wrote: I stand to be corrected but I believe SMP is actually implemented on the motherboard and not within the CPU so the type of processor is not as critical as what processors the board will accept, within reason of course. i.e. Don't try this with a pair of 8086 chips. :) Unfortunately, that's not true, else I'd have a pair of K6's powering this system. Both the chip and the motherboard have to support SMP. The Celerons, by design, do not support SMP -- it's a bit of electrical hackery on the Slotket or Abit BP6 motherboards that allow you to do it. There are special pins on the Pentium chips (including the Celerons) that signal that they're a pair. In the case of the Celeron's, those pins aren't connected correctly. For what it's worth though, I've been looking at those BP6 boards and thinking about putting a pair of C-300's on it. For around $300 (board and chips only) you could have a nice SMP system. Not to mention that the C-300's are overclockable to 450. Mmmm! Speaking of "reasons why Linux beats Windows" -- Linux WILL take advantage of both of those chips... Windows 95/98 won't... Can the new PPGA Celerons do SMP??? I thought that they needed some special adaptor or something like that. On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, you wrote: Thing that a fellow in our LUG did which I thought was a great buy was... get a duel socket 7 board thats out there now for about $125 BUy two celeron 333 at about $90 each.. $128meg at about $150 and you have a $500 KICK ASS MACHINE the new 2.2 kernel has dual processor support .. and his (bargin) system is now flying.. running his own Web server. If I was a little more knowledgable in LINUX than I am now .. I would go for it.. but as it is my AMDK62350 will do just fine. I am going to get another 64meg ram to bring me up to 128 though. James -- Regards, Gavin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ENTER.NET - "The Road to the Internet Starts Here!" (tm) (610) 437-2221 * http://www.enter.net/ * email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Not getting anywhere - IGNORE THIS TROLL!
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, James Schofield wrote: This guy is trolling you all. (for the newbies a troll is someone who instigates flamewars by using inflammatory language) I will admit that I am getting very frustrated with the hardware setup portion of linux.. but I am learning.. and it is just lack of knowledge of the system that is holding me back. One thing I find a bit of a problem as well is the fact that MOST books on Linux are written for one distro or another.. and not in general.. but it is just taking me a little longer thats all. I have succeeded in one thing though people.. I HAVE MY MODEM WORKING!! I have my Motorola Voicesurfer working now.. it was just a matter of using Setserial correctly and I am up and running now on ttys2 IRQ 11 W HOOO!!! Now I have two things left.. My SB64 pci card which is sharing an IRQ with another PCI device and linux does not seem to like that.. even though it is PCI complaint. My guess would be the onboard ide controler is conflicting with the secondary on your mother board, disable one or the other. ANd my PNP ISA DLink 220 Networking card.. which I was not able to setup durring the install.. I would like to get it working now.. becuase I would like to make my own local area net with my laptops and my desktop. Should work with the ne driver, be aware that Dlink doesn't always conform to the ne2000 standard. The last Dlink i had required hacking the ne2000 driver to recognise the id string. James -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] Newbie Asks: What Is The Thumbtack For?
Now that I know about AutoMount and Sticky, how do I tell Linux to use AutoMount? Which one of those wonderful .config files do I have to edit? Also, how do I change from that KDE back to Gnome? I think I prefer that to KDE. Thanks. Original Message Follows Sevatio Octavio wrote: In KDE... What is "Sticky" the Thumbtack used for? To keep that specific window on the screen if you change virtual desktops (clicking on the 'One', 'Two', etc) -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: [newbie] Not getting anywhere!!
Rick Fry wrote: I'm only going to say that I never heard of Accelerated-X. I never said that Windows was "great" or any other descriptive adjective. Hell, it doesn't properly multi-task and there are a lot of other problems. I'm just saying that I've never come across any of the problems you "Windoze haters" have had with it. I don't get any [let alone a lot of] BSOD's nor do I have to hack into regedit to get it to work. I installed Windows 2000 release candidate 1 last month or so and it automatically found my scanner, printer, and even my USB camera and configured to use them. I don't have to MOUNT anything in order to use it. I just want to access what's on my CD, I don't want to have sex with it nor am I a taxidermist. I don't want to have to go edit things in config files that I can access in menus in Windows. I even have Windows 98 second edition on the same partition as 2000. I only have that for the one or two things that don't work well in NT [or as it's also known as 2000]. My Memorex CDRW won't work in NT. Basically I'm running a Celeron 400 with 128M of ram and a total of 20G of hard disk space. If you're happy being a user, that's fine. There are plenty of people in the world that just want things to work when they sit down at them. My parents are those kinds of people. I have no problem with it, just don't shit on the parade of those of us who really LIKE making things work together that probably don't belong together. There is a price you pay (right now) for using Linux. That price is diminished hardware support "out of the box". It could even be as steep as "it will never work with Linux" (in the case of WinModems). Most of us are perfectly willing to pay that price for an operating system and supporting applications that don't nickel and dime us to death trying to get some work done. I don't have any inkling of encouraging my parents to move to Linux. The things they want to do are not available with it. However, they also don't have the kind of power and flexibility on their machine that I have with mine. To each their own... -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] /home partition/mount troubles
- Original Message - From: Michael Chopek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] /home partition/mount troubles At 04:28 PM 8/20/99 -0400, I wrote: Do you have any free space on the drive? Yes I do...995mb left on the Linux partition.. snip best regards -michael Michael Chopek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Down to Earth Development Ltd - http://www.d2earth.com/ Website Web Applications Development Extropia Developers Network - http://www.extropia.com/ You wouldn't be talking about 995MB of unused Windows drive space, would you? Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re:[newbie]PIII Performance
OK, lots of people have had a say. Ask yourself, "Why do I want to upgrade?" If your answer is "to build a fire-breathing behemoth", then go for the best you can get. If your answer is "to eliminate some perceived slowness", then get something better than you have. Since you say you have a PII-266 now, it is likely that we have a 66 MHz Front Side Bus on board and a processor running at 4X bus speed. First, determine if your board can crank out a 100MHz Front Side Bus rate and that your memory is indeed PC100 compatible (SDRAM doesn't all work at 100MHz). If you can get the Bus speed improved, you will see a much greater improvement than you would with just a faster processor, with the exception of solving systems of partial differential equations, matrix transformations, and 3D rotations of coordinates, processes that are more processor-bound than memory- or I/O-bound. In other words, a 450 sitting on your board and still running at 66MHz is going to be whistling at 6.5 times bus speed, or about 433, and is going to be yawning, saying "Ho hum, I wonder when some data will arrive to be processed." Next item is the Power requirement. I know several people with more money than sense who snapped up P-IIIs as soon as they could get them, than called me in to get them working. Not all boards built for the P-II can source the 2.2v at 18 freakin' amps the P-III requires. Make sure whatever board you have or choose is one of them before you choose a P-III. I hope these considerations assist you in making a decision that will not disappoint whatever your purpose is. Civileme -- Civileme Say: "He who buys Pentium III had lots of bucks"
Re: [newbie] /home partition/mount troubles
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Michael Chopek wrote: At 04:28 PM 8/20/99 -0400, I wrote: Do you have any free space on the drive? Yes I do...995mb left on the Linux partition.. Why could I not set it to something other than 7mb for the /home partion?? If so, you could use Disk Druid to set the /home partition to be growable, therefore filling whatever free space you have left I tried that last night...actually tried setting it to 500mb and it would not let me...all the way down to 10mb and still no luckit would only accept 7mb. As well I did as you suggested and toggled the "grow to fill disk"...but that did not seem to work either...as of today the /home partition is 100% full...can't even check my mail :-/ I'm sure I seen a post somewhere...maybe Deja news talking about something similar... Show us the partition table.. fdisk -l /dev/XXX As well in Disk Druid...it will not let me create any other mount points except /home...I tried setting a few mount points.../usr..etc...and it would not let me...only a 7mb /home mount point. ...strange ... Anyone run across this before?? - thanks - -- best regards -michael Michael Chopek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Down to Earth Development Ltd - http://www.d2earth.com/ Website Web Applications Development Extropia Developers Network - http://www.extropia.com/ -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] failing to unmount
I know it's kind of fast and hard to catch, but did you catch what's not unmounting? also check ps ax|grep defunct before you shutdown. On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, John Aldrich wrote: Hmm..don't know what to tell you then. Last I had heard, BeRo said that's all that needed to be done...did you remember to edit your lilo.conf and re-run /sbin/lilo If so, you've gotten beyond my level of expertise and it's time for the experts to step in. :-) John - Original Message - From: Wayne Boaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] failing to unmount FWIW. I've done that and I still get umount - Failed when I shut down... Wayne - Original Message - From: John Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] failing to unmount On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, you wrote: HELP!!! my linux system is failing to unmount the file system. How can I have the system unmount correctly??? Help!!! There is a known bug in Mandrake 6.0 from the CDRom. You need to update the kernal and initscripts from Mandrake or one of the mirrors. John -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] PIII performance
MSI adaptors on a Slot 1 motherboard (not socket 7). I'm running a supermicro board, 2 MSI adaptor and a pair of celery 300a's over clocked to 450. That and the 256 megs of ram, a Tekram u2w scsi card and a 4.5 gig ibm u2w drive, makes it run rather speedy. On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, you wrote: Can the new PPGA Celerons do SMP??? I thought that they needed some special adaptor or something like that. On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, you wrote: Thing that a fellow in our LUG did which I thought was a great buy was... get a duel socket 7 board thats out there now for about $125 BUy two celeron 333 at about $90 each.. $128meg at about $150 and you have a $500 KICK ASS MACHINE the new 2.2 kernel has dual processor support .. and his (bargin) system is now flying.. running his own Web server. If I was a little more knowledgable in LINUX than I am now .. I would go for it.. but as it is my AMDK62350 will do just fine. I am going to get another 64meg ram to bring me up to 128 though. James -- Regards, Gavin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ENTER.NET - "The Road to the Internet Starts Here!" (tm) (610) 437-2221 * http://www.enter.net/ * email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brett Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Changing the Window Manager
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Manny Styles wrote: - Original Message - From: Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Changing the Window Manager Steve wants to know how to start a different window manager from the command line, not from within KDE (or booting to initlevel 5). Right, that's what `desktopcfg` does. Well, kind of. It is a console utility that allows you to change your default desktop- your choices are GNOME, KDE, AfterStep, or "Plain X11" which means fvwm2, I think. If you run desktopcfg as root you may change the system default. And since you asked... Another way to change the window manager that starts when you run `startx` is to put a command in ~/.xinitrc. This file is a shell script run after X has started (it is usually what loads a window manager). `desktopcfg` uses this file to start your window manager (WM). You may safely delete this, and specify your own script. Mine follows: #/home/matthead/.xinitrc exec kde I think that I'm going to replace "exec kde" with "exec enlightenment" as I'm tired of KDE, and would like to use Enlightenment for a while. The only thing I don't like is that you can't move windows around in the pager (a point for AfterStep, 'cause you can in there!)... but that's off-topic. Only a little, ;) try the enlightenment from cooker 0.16 will implement / does implement, the ability to drag apps around in the pager from desktop to desktop, aswell as around the virtual desktop. Just don't drop them between pagers, they haven't fixed it to snap them back where they were so they wind up disapearing Yet another way to specify a window manager to run with X is by appending it to `xinit` (`startx` is a shell script that runs `xinit` with some default arguments). Try, for instance, `xinit /usr/bin/enlightenment` This will start X and then run the Enlightenment WM. Because of the way `xinit` interprets your arguments, you have to specify the full path to the program you wish to run in X (it doesn't _have_ to be a WM). It doesn't even matter if the path to the program is in $PATH. If you're interested in the why, try `man xinit`. Which window managers are included with Mandrake? Here's a few (I installed the extra window managers package, so all these may not be on your system): /usr/bin/enlightenment /usr/bin/gnome-session /usr/bin/kde /usr/X11R6/bin/AnotherLevel /usr/X11R6/bin/afterstep /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm2 /usr/X11R6/bin/wmaker I'm sure there are more. Also, gnome-session starts GNOME, which is not a window manager, but rather a "desktop environment." This includes the panel, the right-click menu on the desktop, the icons, and more. GNOME uses Enlightenment as it's WM by default, but can be configured to use WindowMaker, or some other WM I can't remember right now. The same goes for KDE, execpt that I don't think you can successfully use any WM other than kwm, which is KDE's default. This is probably much more information than you ever cared to know, but it's still not all! However, I'll bet `desktopcfg` is plenty for most people. The thing is, if you want more control over what happens when you start X, well, you've got it. This is one of many advantages that Linux has over Windows: the freedom of choice. For any given task, there are usually several different ways to accomplish it, each with it's own unique advantages disadvantages. This means you can find the best way to get a job done- you're not locked into someone else's idea of "the best way," like you are with proprietary systems (Microsoft being only the most prominent). -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] For myself, thank you. That is exactly what I wanted to know. Manny Styles [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
RE: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future
Rick Fry wrote: I did NOT write that. As I said in a previous post, I don't resort to writing these types of messages. I gave up on that years ago when I realized that there are more effective ways to get a point across. And I resent the implication that I'm a moron. I'm only 56 years old and haven't yet reached that plateau. Looks like somebody needs to learn how to cut and paste stuff in their respective editors. One more time, RICK FRY DID NOT WRITE THAT EXPLETIVE DELETED MESSAGE It's not a matter of somebody needing "to learn how to cut and paste stuff...". The following is how the original message that started this looks to me. Please notice the "From" field. I did not cut a paste this: -Original Message- From: Rick Fry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system! It's totally F*G USELESS Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad losers are just wasting your lives. Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Rick Rick Friedman Salant Corp. - MIS 800-472-8013 x75105 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The closest thing to heaven on earth is... Yankee Stadium! -Original Message- From: Rick Fry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future I did NOT write that. As I said in a previous post, I don't resort to writing these types of messages. I gave up on that years ago when I realized that there are more effective ways to get a point across. And I resent the implication that I'm a moron. I'm only 56 years old and haven't yet reached that plateau. Looks like somebody needs to learn how to cut and paste stuff in their respective editors. One more time, RICK FRY DID NOT WRITE THAT EXPLETIVE DELETED MESSAGE Original Message Follows Just a thought for all the good people at Mandrake and the good people on this list. It might be in order to deny access to this list to any accounts from any of the anonymous mail services. I have seen these seen far too much abuse of these services by spammers and other morons (not pointing my finger directly at Rick Fry, who am I kidding, yes I am). I feel if the interest in this list is genuine there is no need to hide behind the curtain of an anonymous service and it would free up the list from this kind of moronic abuse. Ken Wilson Not as small 'l' liberal as I used to be. ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: [newbie] RealPlayer G2 and MP# problems
My sound configuration is fine as far as I can tell. Audio CD's and wav files play clearly, it's just the .rm, .ram, .mp2, and .mp3 formats that are garbled to the point of incomprehension. In that case, it sounds like the software decoder you're using has bugs in it. What software do you use to decode the MPEG audio files? -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Newbie Asks: What Is The Thumbtack For?
what is AutoMount? and Sticky? :P Rick Fry wrote: Now that I know about AutoMount and Sticky, how do I tell Linux to use AutoMount? Which one of those wonderful .config files do I have to edit? Also, how do I change from that KDE back to Gnome? I think I prefer that to KDE. Thanks. Original Message Follows Sevatio Octavio wrote: In KDE... What is "Sticky" the Thumbtack used for? To keep that specific window on the screen if you change virtual desktops (clicking on the 'One', 'Two', etc) -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: [newbie] Does Linux use the Bios for Harddrives?
I have a 520 meg harddrive on my NEC laptop.. I am going to run Slackware 4 on it.. because I can do a Floppy install with it. Can you do a FTP install of Mandrake?? Yes, you can. Get the bootnet.img file from /updates/6.0/images off your local mirror Anyway.. how do you think I should partition my harddrive for a basic X internet laptop.. nothing too complicated.. just web email and IRC.. I'd say either: 1) / and swap space 2) / and /home and swap space The only reason you'd want to separate out /home is a) if your root partition becomes corrupted, you can still preserve your personal files and b) if you need to upgrade, you don't lose everything when you format the root partition. I am getting a 1.4 gig for the laptop.. so I will be using that in future for Linux I think. That sounds better. With the way distributions are these days, less than 1GB of hard drive space seems like way too little. -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Re: [[newbie] In Search of an Email Client capable of Multiple Accounts]]
Yes, I do log in and out of the separate accounts. It does not take long, and in fact, I find it to be more difficult than what I do in Outlook -- show properties and select the profile I want to use. I know that I can check into the other accounts without doing that, but the problem then is that the E-mail I collect from the other ones ends up in the "wrong" inbox. Another problem with Outlook that I NEVER have with the way I use Netscape in LINUX is that all too frequently, after I have switched accounts a few times, Outlook locks up and I have to log out in Windows and re-login -- which is much more painful and slower than in Linux. Anyway, I find this works best for me. Murray Strome Michael Scottaline wrote: Murray Strome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Netscape for multiple accounts. Basically, I have set up the system with separate users for each account. When I log in to a new user for the first time, I set up Netscape (Edit; Preferences; E-mail/Newsgroups; then Identity and Servers) for that user. Everything works very for me that way (in fact, a LOT better than Outlook, which I use in Windows 98) Murray Strome Murray, Are you saying that you set Messenger up for each of your separate linux accounts? If so, then you have to log into and out of each user account to check e-mail. Or do I misunderstand? Can a single user check multiple POP3 accounts from Messenger?? I didn't think NS Messenger could handle multiple POP3 accounts the way kmail (Or Outlook Express for that matter) can. They'll even periodically check multiple accounts "on the fly". Mike Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. -- Murray and Diane Strome 1275 Burnside Road West VICTORIA BC V8Z 1P3 Canada Phone: (250) 479-6448 Fax: (250) 727-3427
[newbie] How come...?
How come my posts never seem to reach this list? Even if they hit my mailbox, I never get replies. Could someone please reply privately to this message? And what about the PS/2 port problem? The pppd problem? Andy Goth [EMAIL PROTECTED] zap.to/andygoth ICQ: 35256413 ,.-"``"-.,__,.-"``"-.,__,.-"``"-.,__,.-"``"-.,__,.-"``"-.,__,.-"``"-.,_ "Success is a disease; it can make smart people think they can't lose." -- Bill Gates, on why IBM is going down (as seen in Pirates of Silicon Valley) ,.-"``"-.,__,.-"``"-.,__,.-"``"-.,__,.-"``"-.,__,.-"``"-.,__,.-"``"-.,_ "Down with big brother!" -- George Orwell
[newbie] UNABLE TO CONFIG CD-ROM
Hi everyone, I am trying to learn about Linux and got myself a copy of Mandrake Linux 6.0. Unfortunately, I don't have the right CD-ROM for it. I have a ACER ATAPI 40X CD-ROM and when installing, it is not in the list. Can anyone advise how to configure the CD-ROM. I have been in Windows all the time and feel crippled and naked without its ease of setup. Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Changing the Window Manager
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
Only a little, ;) try the enlightenment from cooker 0.16 will implement /
does implement, the ability to drag apps around in the pager from desktop
to desktop, aswell as around the virtual desktop. Just don't drop them
between pagers, they haven't fixed it to snap them back where they were so
they wind up disapearing
I downloaded it a few days ago, actually. I'm getting ready to move
tomorrow, though, so I haven't installed it yet, and probably won't until
next week. All the same, AfterStep _will_ let you drag windows between
desktops. It's something I wouldn't want to be without- except that I
like the alt+{left|mid|right} button in E that lets you drag windows,
resize them, and get that nifty window function menu without having to go
all the way up to the title bar.
The only reason I'd rather use AfterStep is the cool pager, and that I
notice a speed difference (AfterStep is much faster on my machine). If
this pager works well, I may just have to buy some RAM to make up the
difference. Too bad it's going up in price again.
-Matt Stegman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] kxicq
you can find it here ftp://ftp.freshmeat.net/pub/rpms/kxicq/ or in linuxberg www.linuxberg.com El sáb, 21 ago 1999, escribiste: Hello Anyone have a url/ftp for a kxicq rpm?
Re: [newbie] Not getting anywhere!!
Original Message Follows Rick Fry wrote: If you're happy being a user, that's fine. There are plenty of people in the world that just want things to work when they sit down at them. My parents are those kinds of people. I have no problem with it, just don't shit on the parade of those of us who really LIKE making things work together that probably don't belong together. There is a price you pay (right now) for using Linux. That price is diminished hardware support "out of the box". It could even be as steep as "it will never work with Linux" (in the case of WinModems). Most of us are perfectly willing to pay that price for an operating system and supporting applications that don't nickel and dime us to death trying to get some work done. I don't have any inkling of encouraging my parents to move to Linux. The things they want to do are not available with it. However, they also don't have the kind of power and flexibility on their machine that I have with mine. To each their own... -- Actually the same thing can be said for all the Windows bashing folks that have the same amount of troubles getting that to work. I do have the "power and flexibility" but obviously not the right kind. I just became unemployed so I obviously don't have the financial resources to go out and buy the equipment necessary to make Linux work as ideally as my Windows does. But, that will hopefully change as I have several interviews scheduled for next week. Hopefully my 20 years of working with computers will be good for something. ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
RE: [newbie] REAL Linux Question!!
Make it a shell script by burying it in a file called 'othernet.sh', or any name of your choice. The text you want to type into the file goes like this #!/bin/sh telnet other.net.com Store the file in /usr/local/bin and then cd to /usr/local/bin and type 'chmod 766 othernet.sh' Now I'm not so sure about linking it to the desktop. If it works ala Windows use the visual file manager to go to /usr/local/bin. From there you should be able to drag the file to the desktop. This doesn't take care of your kppp problem though. That I'm unfamiliar with because I'm on cable and haven't had to look at that aspect of Linux. I would also look at the hidden directories and files while I'm in the visual file manager. There may be a way of dragging the link that loads ktelnet to the desktop. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of hevnsnt Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] REAL Linux Question!! My girlfriend has been b*tching at me to put windows back on my machine because she cant figure out how to connect to the internet (no matter how many times I show her) I am wondering if there is a way to make an icon in KDE to: 1) Start the Kppp Dialer 2) telnet to another specified machine Or Make Kppp start whenever outside traffic is requested. Now, I cant even figure out how to make an Icon to open a terminal window and pass the command "telnet other.machine.com" Can anyone help me? P.S. I am not willing to get another girlfriend, I like the one I got. =) -Bill
RE: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future
I can fake email addresses, too. When I used to write messages in the adult newsgroups, I was [EMAIL PROTECTED] That doesn't mean the domain actually exists. I don't care what the header said, this Rick Fry at hotmail.com did NOT write that. Original Message Follows Rick Fry wrote: I did NOT write that. As I said in a previous post, I don't resort to writing these types of messages. I gave up on that years ago when I realized that there are more effective ways to get a point across. And I resent the implication that I'm a moron. I'm only 56 years old and haven't yet reached that plateau. Looks like somebody needs to learn how to cut and paste stuff in their respective editors. One more time, RICK FRY DID NOT WRITE THAT EXPLETIVE DELETED MESSAGE It's not a matter of somebody needing "to learn how to cut and paste stuff...". The following is how the original message that started this looks to me. Please notice the "From" field. I did not cut a paste this: -Original Message- From: Rick Fry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system! It's totally F*G USELESS Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad losers are just wasting your lives. Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Rick Rick Friedman Salant Corp. - MIS 800-472-8013 x75105 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The closest thing to heaven on earth is... Yankee Stadium! -Original Message- From: Rick Fry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future I did NOT write that. As I said in a previous post, I don't resort to writing these types of messages. I gave up on that years ago when I realized that there are more effective ways to get a point across. And I resent the implication that I'm a moron. I'm only 56 years old and haven't yet reached that plateau. Looks like somebody needs to learn how to cut and paste stuff in their respective editors. One more time, RICK FRY DID NOT WRITE THAT EXPLETIVE DELETED MESSAGE Original Message Follows Just a thought for all the good people at Mandrake and the good people on this list. It might be in order to deny access to this list to any accounts from any of the anonymous mail services. I have seen these seen far too much abuse of these services by spammers and other morons (not pointing my finger directly at Rick Fry, who am I kidding, yes I am). I feel if the interest in this list is genuine there is no need to hide behind the curtain of an anonymous service and it would free up the list from this kind of moronic abuse. Ken Wilson Not as small 'l' liberal as I used to be. ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: [newbie] kxicq
DJ wrote: Hello Anyone have a url/ftp for a kxicq rpm? Try http://rufus.w3.org Alan -- === [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Coming to you with Linux-Mandrake 6.0
Re: [newbie] how to connect thru proxy
Sorry for the confushion, the DSL eithernet card is for future a connection right now I am trying to connect thru a eithernet card with tbase connector to the ms win98 network which goes to the internet thru a proxy server. I had it working and I made a change and now it does not work and I can not figure it out. ping 192.168.1.3 was going to the proxy ping 192.167.1.1 was ok to another client ping 192.168.1.2 was ok to another client they all worked except I could not make a remote connection from one of them to the http on the linux server, so I was working on that when I lost the rest NOW ping 192.168.1.16 ok to the eht0 on the linux box ping 192.168.1.6 ok to the eht1 on the linux box ping seaport6 ok to host name on the linux box That's the reason I gave all of my settings shown below hopeing some one would spot an error. I have: TAB names: Hostname: SeaPort6 nameserver: 192.168.1.6 TAB Hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.1.6 SeaPort6 TAB interfaces: lo 127.0.0.1 none yes active eth1 192.168.1.6none yes active eth0 192.168.1.16 none yes active TAB routing: x network packet forwarding default gateway 192.168.1.254 default device eth1 eth1 192.168.1.3 255.255.255.0192.168.1.3 is there a way to send the output from ifconfig to a txt file on the floppy disk? Dave Reinhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.WoodsideDelSer.com
Re: [Re: [[newbie] In Search of an Email Client capable of Multiple Accounts]]
Mahogany is an x based e-mail program that supports multiple e-mail accounts within the same user account. It makes life so much simpler than all the logging out and logging in all the time. Traci Murray Strome wrote: Yes, I do log in and out of the separate accounts. It does not take long, and in fact, I find it to be more difficult than what I do in Outlook -- show properties and select the profile I want to use. I know that I can check into the other accounts without doing that, but the problem then is that the E-mail I collect from the other ones ends up in the "wrong" inbox. Another problem with Outlook that I NEVER have with the way I use Netscape in LINUX is that all too frequently, after I have switched accounts a few times, Outlook locks up and I have to log out in Windows and re-login -- which is much more painful and slower than in Linux. Anyway, I find this works best for me. Murray Strome Michael Scottaline wrote: Murray Strome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Netscape for multiple accounts. Basically, I have set up the system with separate users for each account. When I log in to a new user for the first time, I set up Netscape (Edit; Preferences; E-mail/Newsgroups; then Identity and Servers) for that user. Everything works very for me that way (in fact, a LOT better than Outlook, which I use in Windows 98) Murray Strome Murray, Are you saying that you set Messenger up for each of your separate linux accounts? If so, then you have to log into and out of each user account to check e-mail. Or do I misunderstand? Can a single user check multiple POP3 accounts from Messenger?? I didn't think NS Messenger could handle multiple POP3 accounts the way kmail (Or Outlook Express for that matter) can. They'll even periodically check multiple accounts "on the fly". Mike Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. -- Murray and Diane Strome 1275 Burnside Road West VICTORIA BC V8Z 1P3 Canada Phone: (250) 479-6448 Fax: (250) 727-3427 -- Traci Collins, MA Professor of Computer Education Colorado Mountain College http://www.rof.net/wp/tcollins/traci.html
