Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
Try Quanta. Comes standard with Mandrake. It does have a WYSIWYG like interface. I like it because it works pretty well to help teach you HTML as well. Which I think is a good thing. Give it a try. I've used it to write basic HTML doc pages for our network. I used to know HTML really well, and did all my HTML in vi, but I had to head back to an editor. Quanta's got to the point where I could probably drop Quanta and head back to vi. tdh T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Real Men Us Vi!" | If you think Linux is great now, wait till the Office tools get | improved, additional vidio card drivers and improved kernel are added. | I'll give it 2 - 5 years. It'll be good-bye Microsoft for me...That's | the only reason I'm hanging on to MS ,is that I still need MSWord, | Excel, a certain simulation tool and a good html editor with WYSIWYG. | However, I can already replace Excel with Kspread. Are there any good | math programs and html editors out there for Linux? | | "Charles A. Punch" wrote: | > | > Solver wrote: | > | > > | > > An average, or lower, user, assuming he has got kowledge of English, can | > > install Windows without trouble, easily install apps under it, click start, | > > point to programs and Microsoft Word. | > | > > This kind of statement is one of the things that scares off potential Linux |users. I switched over to Linux, because Windows crashed on me and would not |re-install correctly on my laptop. In desperation I installed LM 71, which I had |played around with, but was afraid of, because of statements like the one above or, |"Linux is not user friendly" It installed without a hitch and I managed to get my |mailing list done on time. It was easier to install than Windows, contrary to popular |belief. I have not looked back since. I use Win98 now only because I have not figured |out how to install my scanner correctly, but I have had trouble with peripherals in |windows as well. My zip drive gave me a real hard time to install in Windows, but LM |recognized it with no problem. I didn't have to do anything. I didn't install a |driver or anything, it just worked after install. | > | > Solver also wrote; | > | > > Once, when I was instructing a user to type DOS commands, I didn't say open | > > the MS-DOS prompt. I just said: | > > Type the following commands: | > > cd \windows | > > copy user.dat \backup | > > copy user.da0 \backup | > > defrag | > > | > > And, when nothing worked I was suprised. Turned out that user typed it all | > > in Word... And I can never imagine users like this installing Linux apps and | > > compiling sources. | > > Solver... | > | > > It sounds like the above "user" would have trouble with any operating system, |but it would fall under the category of a non sequitor to assume that he would have |any more trouble with Linux than with Windows or for that matter, any other OS. I use |Linux because it is easier to install and use than Windows. No defragmenting or |cleaning up the registry every five minutes like in Windows, less crashes from |opening too many programs at once and finally less chance of getting a virus. Okay, |so some software is a little harder to install, but it seems that I see more and more |RPMs instead of or in addition to than in the past and that is a small concession to |make for all the other advantages. | > | > ShalomOut | > Chal | > | > Registered Linux user #217118 | -- -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Real Men Us Vi!"
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
Yes... this is another Micro$HAFT advocate. But we really can't knock them since we are all... well most of us, are Linux advocates. But the truth is that "Uncle Bill" and Microsoft were not the first. As a matter a fact Gates and Jobs both stole most of there original code and "made it better." Now a days we would have called them a glorified script kitty! They took something existing, adding a few lines, and suddenly it's theirs and it "works." Sun doesn't 'officially' make a desktop platform. They have Solaris and SunOS. Basically the same thing. They've been billing SunOS as a desktop since it's been used mainly as a client to Solaris. A desktop only because of lack of another name. I know the numbers given below are just guest-imate, but doesn't Mac have a following much like that of Linux? Those, dare I say, fanatic users that live and die by anything Apple? My only problem with Apple has been working with the companies that used Apple's products. I didn't have much problem with Apple itself. But what is the "right way" for a company that has bullied all of ther competitors out of business? And saved their original competitor from going out of business mainly only as a slap in the face to that companies founder, who was a "friend." I find it only fitting and I'm actually rooting for Apple after they started their resurgance and rebirthing after Microsoft helped them with so much funding. I've seen a lot of comments that have been really "fan based." Message boards would probably call a lot of the users that come back with comments like these "trolls." They're not based on facts, just that weird thing that happens to make people root for sports teams that never win. But the truth of the matter is Microsoft sees Linux as a threat. A big enough threat they do under handed things, like they've always done, in hopes to control it. Like start working on lawsuits to be brought against Linux companies for ruining, essentially, they're way of life. tdh T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Real Men Us Vi!" | I love Microsoft. I respect Bill Gates. Not only they ain't my enemies - | they are my friends. Yes, I like Linux, it's enhanced functionality and | especially stability, but Microsoft were the first to do it. I believe that | they're doing everything the right way. | Also, the monopoly situation is very good for users. You can put your file | on a disk, go to a friend being sure you'll find the same Windows and Word | there. The worst I could imagine is this: | Windows - 40% | Linux - 30% | MacOS - 10% | BeOS - 5% | Solaris - 5% | Other - 5% | Then you would be usnure as to what will you find there. If Linux user, you | had to save both for Linux and Windows formats, and Mac doesn't read these | disks. So, you would need to know specifically where are you going, and what | the PCs are there. Each time I go to repair a PC, I'm almost sure what I'll | see there. | Microsoft are responsible for what they release. They provide the product to | you, and given you buy it legally, they also provide you with support, | updates, etc. You can register at Linux Counter and others, but they won't | give you that support, even though bug reporting is awesome. And, another | thing I love in Linux are the penguins. I love that they're everywhere, and | one of my recompilation jobs will be to put even more penguins on their work | at Linux desktop and applications. They just look cool - nice animals. | | Also, I'd like to add that I hate to buy PC with preinstalled software. When | I got one with preinstalled Windows (what I used then), the first thing I | done was formatting C: and installing it myself. Now I use dual-boot W98, | and Linux Mandrake. If I bought a PC with this dual boot, I'd still run | Partition Magic and wipe it all, to install myself. I don't love when | something is preinstalled. As a PC expert, I want to install everything | myself - even if this is something I never installed. Yes, I did feel unsure | installing Windows for the first time, as I also did installing Linux and | BeOS for the first time. It all passes. | Solver --
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
That's odd... because I remember reading some place that Compaq and DELL both shipped like 15% of their machines a year with a Linux OS, mainly RedHat. (I don't remember the number, I just tossed 15% in there for the comment.) I think it came from a "RedHat" site, so it may have been publicity for RedHat, which is not uncommon for them. But I was under the impression that DELL and Compaq both would ship a desktop with Linux installed. I'm not sure about laptops, but desktops they would. Maybe I'll have to research this... But it is nice to call tech support for a company, if needed, and they'll offer Linux support even though they don't officially offer it. Just goes to show how the "Linux Networking" of users handles itself. tdh T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Real Men Us Vi!" | On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:35:31 -0600, you wrote: | | >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, you wrote: | >> That is now changing with some of the big computer companies, including | >> Dell. They offer the option to have Linux or Windows installed. | > | >Dell does offer Linux or windows on their server line, nut not on desktops or | >laptops. At least that is what they told me when i bought my Lattitude CPx. | >Their service agreement does not cover a linux machine, and if you even | >install it as a dual boot, it will void your service policy. | | I have a Compaq, and one day needed to call their customer | support...the guy I spoke with was pretty cool, so I asked him if they | supported a machine if I was to install Linux on, as a dual-boot | system. His reply was pretty funny - he said "no, we don't support | that" | | and continued, with a nudge and a wink in his tone: | | "...IF YOU TELL US!" | | peace, | | Rog | | "The effort _must_ be there |before the talent can be applied." | -Bobby Holik | --
Re: [newbie] Run as command??
On Friday 15 June 2001 21:33, jennifer wrote: > Would anyone out there know if I can configure a program to > run in super user mode while logged in as a regular user? > Specifically, I would like to run nmapf as root while logged > in as myself. There is a setuid you can do but internal security systems will bite you in the rear, unless you have set low security or less. Safest way to do it go to the menu editor, and set up another entry for nmapfe. Put it where you want and call it what you want The command is kdesu nmapfe update your menus and it will run as superuser while you are normally logged in--you will need root password. Civileme
Re: [newbie] telnetscript
Well depending on how many commands you want to run, you can just use ssh. For example. [timh@yoda timh]$ ssh chewbacca cat .aliases | grep root | wc -l timh@chewbacca's password: 3 So I ssh'd to CHEWBACCA, cat'd the .aliases file I have in my root directory. grep'd out the word root, then piped it through wc. (Word Count. The -l counts how many lines have the word root in them) It then returns the information just as if I were on that machine. Now if you need to run a couple of commands you can do several things. Write a script on the remote machine to do the work you need. Then ssh to the machine and run that script. -- OR -- You could write an expect script. To then log onto the machine, then run a command, then run another command after that, then so-on-and-so-forth. I like using expect personally. The expect RPM is on one of the Mandrake CDs. #!/usr/bin/expect spawn telnet -l $USER $HOST expect "assword:" send "$PASSWORD\r" expect "$" send "FIRST COMMAND" expect "$" ... ... ... interact If you close the script with interact you will now be on that remote machine via your telnet connection and can continue to do other if you'd like. But those are my suggestions. tdh T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Real Men Us Vi!" | Hello! | | I want to write a script that makes telnet to log in and send some commands | | How do I do? | | | //Magnus | --
[newbie] Uncompress???
Does anyone know where the uncompress command is for Mandrake 8? I can't find a rpm for it. Thanks, Don
Success! (was Re: [newbie] My install is either failing or I don't know how to bootup)
All: I'm up now. I yanked my #2 video card and re-did the install. Everything worked fine. (Even got a graphic install instead of text this time!) Remaining on the to-do list: Get that 2nd vid card back in Find out why modem doesn't respond. (I'm writing this in Windows) Get scanner to work Modem is number one on my list. Can anyone advise me? device properties in Win: US Robotics 56k voice Int PnP Com3 IRQ: 5 Address: 3E8 UART: NS 16550AN In Mandrake Control Center, I can't find a way to stipulate com3; there is no field for address (although there is I/O, but no choice matches my address info); UART is not an available setting. Thanks for any and all help! --LH
Re: [newbie] Wow
> I think that you have hit on the crux of the problem for Linux...it still > requires a fairly high degree of technical proficiency to install and run > it. As long as this is the case, MS and MAC will have an advantage in the I think your comments make sense. More often than not, though, actually installing Windows isn't something the average computer buyer (or user in the workplace) is prepared to do either. Most of the time, the OS comes preinstalled, and the user doesn't have to do anything but turn the box on and click on Solitaire :). There is no doubt that Linux is a more complicated system than is Windows or Mac. Or at least, it *can* be a much more complicated system. One reason is simple -- Linux has a lot more stuff that comes with it than does a Windows system. There are a lot more packages, with several more choices in areas where Windows only has one way of doing things. The average Windows user doesn't usually encounter issues like what window manager to run, which filesystem to use, even whether to partition his disks -- because all those choices (or lack of them) have been decided in advance. The average Windows user -- especially in a work environment -- isn't going to be responsible for anywhere near the administrative responsibilities that an average linux user is going to need to figure out sometime during the life of his OS, at least on his system. That's why there are help desks, and system administrators. I'm not a help desk person, nor a system administrator, (if I sent my resume in for a sysadmin position it would probably get laughed at) and I would simply not be allowed to do the types of things I routinely do at home in a work environment. Hell, I've been in some work environments where you just don't install software. > consumer market. Granted, this platform has come a very long way with the > improvements in KDE and Gnome just in the last year, but it is still full of Surely. But I think the glitches (for the most part) would (if they don't already exist) not impede Windows installations in the slightest. People might grumble a bit, but they'd assume that it was "The Right Way" and continue on. > For example, I have had a number of problems getting printing to work > correctly since I installed LM8. It turns out that I had to go in and > change some settings in a cup.conf file to get it even half way reliable. I Sure there have been problems (for me, cups worked just fine out of the box) but these problems might arise in Windows. The difference is that you'd have a few choices for printer drivers (or maybe only one) and you'd fight with the printer driver and the printers dialog box and maybe call over to the help desk for assistance, if you have one available to you. You might not have to edit a configure file directly (a lot of that happens behind the scenes in Windows, and is starting to with the newer Linux distributions.) > also have had problems upgrading as the RPM manager does not seem to have a > list of update sites except in the security tab. This can be confusing (and That does seem to be the wrong place to put it. > Wendell Gragg David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. ---
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
Check out IBM's Homepage Builder (http://www-4.ibm.com/software/webservers/hpbuilder/linux/index.html) and Amaya (http://www.w3.org/Amaya/). They complement each other well. I'm not sure whether IBM's Homepage Builder supports XFree 4 yet -- I tried it a little while ago and it hosed my X font server. As for Office, have you tried StarOffice or OpenOffice yet? On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:36, Romanator wrote: > If you think Linux is great now, wait till the Office tools get > improved, additional vidio card drivers and improved kernel are > added. I'll give it 2 - 5 years. It'll be good-bye Microsoft for > me...That's the only reason I'm hanging on to MS ,is that I still > need MSWord, Excel, a certain simulation tool and a good html editor > with WYSIWYG. However, I can already replace Excel with Kspread. Are > there any good math programs and html editors out there for Linux? > > "Charles A. Punch" wrote: > > Solver wrote: > > > An average, or lower, user, assuming he has got kowledge of > > > English, can install Windows without trouble, easily install > > > apps under it, click start, point to programs and Microsoft > > > Word. > > > > > > This kind of statement is one of the things that scares off > > > potential Linux users. I switched over to Linux, because Windows > > > crashed on me and would not re-install correctly on my laptop. > > > In desperation I installed LM 71, which I had played around > > > with, but was afraid of, because of statements like the one > > > above or, "Linux is not user friendly" It installed without a > > > hitch and I managed to get my mailing list done on time. It was > > > easier to install than Windows, contrary to popular belief. I > > > have not > > ooked back since. I use Win98 now only because I have not figured > out how to install my scanner correctly, but I have had trouble with > peripherals in windows as well. My zip drive gave me a real hard > time to install in Windows, but LM recognized it with no problem. I > didn't have to do anything. I didn't install a driver or anything, > it just worked after install. > > > Solver also wrote; > > > > > Once, when I was instructing a user to type DOS commands, I > > > didn't say open the MS-DOS prompt. I just said: > > > Type the following commands: > > > cd \windows > > > copy user.dat \backup > > > copy user.da0 \backup > > > defrag > > > > > > And, when nothing worked I was suprised. Turned out that user > > > typed it all in Word... And I can never imagine users like this > > > installing Linux apps and compiling sources. > > > Solver... > > > > > > It sounds like the above "user" would have trouble with any > > > operating system, but it would fall under the category of a non > > > sequitor to assume that he would have any more trouble with > > > Linux than with Windows or for that matter, any other OS. I use > > > Linux because it is easier to install and use than Windows. No > > > defragmenting or cleaning up the registry every five minutes > > > like in Windows, less crashes from opening too many programs at > > > once and finally less chance of getting a virus. Okay, so some > > > softwa > > e is a little harder to install, but it seems that I see more and > more RPMs instead of or in addition to than in the past and that is > a small concession to make for all the other advantages. > > > ShalomOut > > Chal > > > > Registered Linux user #217118 -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Xfree Version
That's almost exactly what happened to me when I tried 4.1.0. It's still in Cooker for a reason, I suppose :-) On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:13, OOzy Pal wrote: > haha too late. > > I wanted to be a Linux guru so I downloaded xfree > 4.1.0 and I installed it. h. Guess what??? > > I got a core dump. :). Then I had to reinstall LM8 > again. But this time I chose xfree 4.0.3. > > Thank you > > --- Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Deary, deary me. It looks like you have both XFree86 > > versions 3.3.6 > > and 4.0.3 installed. You should at least have the > > following packages > > installed: > > > > XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk > > XFree86-server-4.0.3-7mdk > > XFree86-libs-4.0.3-7mdk > > XFree86-4.0.3-7mdk > > XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk > > XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-7mdk > > > > Uninstall all 3.3.6 versions of XFree86 and make > > sure all the above > > pacakges are installed. > > > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:45, OOzy Pal wrote: > > > What is the X version that is shipped with > > > > Mandrake 8. > > > > > I am really lost. When I typed: > > > > > > X -version > > > > > > I got > > > > > > XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System > > > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release > > > > 6300) > > > > > Release Date: Jan 8 2000. > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > > > > and when I typed > > > > > > rpm -qa | grep XFree > > > > > > I got > > > > > > XFree86-libs-4.0.3-7mdk > > > XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-mdk > > > XFree86-SVGA-3.3.6-21mdk > > > XFree86-4.0.3-7mdk > > > XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk > > > XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk > > > XFree86-server-common-3.3.6-21mdk > > > XFree86-server-4.0.3-7mdk > > > > > > So which one am I using and where can I get the > > > > latest > > > > > version? > > > > -- > > Sridhar Dhanapalan. > > "There are two major products that come from > > Berkeley: > > LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a > > coincidence." > > -- Jeremy S. Anderson > > = > Regards, > OOzy > > What is the purpose of life? > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. > http://buzz.yahoo.com/ -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Please no more "No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft" posts!
Don WILSON wrote: > I signed up after installing Mandrake to help me learn how to use Linux > after years of Windows. I have already found answers and I appreciate you > folks who have been where I am by taking the time to help. > > I don't want (and I sure most of you don't either) mailboxes filled with all > these inane replies. Please limit you posts to Q & A related to Linux probs > and fixes. Are there any moderators in this list. Can we stop this! > > Thanks for my rant and keep up the good work! > > Newbie, But not for long. > > Your request falls under it's own weight. Your own reply was not limited to >technical Q & A, but was just another "inane reply." You are practicing the very >thing you are complaining about. The social acceptance of Open Source is connected in >many ways to the technical problems. I would like to see problems prevented, rather >than letting them keep springing up and then fixing them with technology. That is >what Microsoft has been selling us for years and it is time for a change. If this >list is specifically for technical solutions, Is there any rule that specifies this, >or is it just your own "inane" opinion. ShalomOut Chal Registered Linux user #217118 You better start swimming, or you'll sink like a stone for the times they are a changin' Bob Dylan > > >
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
If you look at http://www.linux-mandrake.com you will see a link to a donation page. This is a much better way to give money since MandrakeSoft will get ALL of it. If you buy a boxed set, some money goes to the retailer, some to the publisher, some to the manufacturers, etc. On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 04:31, Tim Holmes wrote: > The thing is, we all are familar with how Micro$HAFT likes to deal > with things. They're known more for their guerilla warefare like > tatics to get customers and get rid of opposition. > > So these recent attacks by Micro$HAFT means that they're worried > about the Linux community on a whole. Why bother to spread > propaganda if you're not scared and worried about Linux being > serious competition. > > But at the same time, the way Linux is spread, it's not something > that's easily tracked and/or translated into dollars & cents. > That's why a lot of people have gone through and enrolled in things > like Linux Counter and so on. So they can be "counted." I guess a > Linux census if you will. > > And for those of us who are either a) knowledgeable enough to build > our own machines, or b) smart enough to realize you can build a > better machine for less, (Reguardless of if you install Windows or > Linux on the machine.) we aren't counted. I built a new machine a > month or more ago. Nobody asks what OS you're going us when you buy > a new motherboard or CPU. That's the main reason why I've registered > my 3 Linux boxes. > > As far as what can we do as a Linux community... that's a good > question. Local Linux User Groups (LUG) may be able help. Making a > smaller voice of a community, combine with other voices of other > LUGs to make a much larger voice. Also, every now and again buy a > retail copy of Mandrake, or another distro. To add $$$ to the > cause. Call it purchasing documentation. When I bought 7.2, I > never opened the CDs, but I've read through most of the books. For > the 3 books that came in the box, I think it was worth $70. But I > do wish it came with some stickers like other distros do! :0) > > But there's my basic 2 cents! > tdh -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Run as command??
If you're at a console: $ su -c COMMAND where COMMAND is the command you want to run. If you're in X, and you want to make an icon, etc. to a root command: kdesu -c COMMAND You can also use su and kdesu to run things as other users. For more information, type "man su" at a console. On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:33, jennifer wrote: > Would anyone out there know if I can configure a program to run in > super user mode while logged in as a regular user? Specifically, I > would like to run nmapf as root while logged in as myself. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Xfree Version
Deary, deary me. It looks like you have both XFree86 versions 3.3.6 and 4.0.3 installed. You should at least have the following packages installed: XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk XFree86-server-4.0.3-7mdk XFree86-libs-4.0.3-7mdk XFree86-4.0.3-7mdk XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-7mdk Uninstall all 3.3.6 versions of XFree86 and make sure all the above pacakges are installed. On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:45, OOzy Pal wrote: > What is the X version that is shipped with Mandrake 8. > I am really lost. When I typed: > > X -version > > I got > > XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) > Release Date: Jan 8 2000. > . > . > . > > and when I typed > > rpm -qa | grep XFree > > I got > > XFree86-libs-4.0.3-7mdk > XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-mdk > XFree86-SVGA-3.3.6-21mdk > XFree86-4.0.3-7mdk > XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk > XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk > XFree86-server-common-3.3.6-21mdk > XFree86-server-4.0.3-7mdk > > So which one am I using and where can I get the latest > version? -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] for those seeking wysiwig html editor
IBM's Home Page Builder is excellent. I used to make pages with it and double-check its HTML in Amaya (since that produces 100% W3C standard HTML). The problem is (when I last checked, anyway) that it does not support XFree 4.0 and above. If you try running it in 4.x it will crash your X font server. On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 04:39, Matt Moore wrote: > my search for a decent linux wysiwyg html editor seems > to have come to an end. > > i downloaded and installed hpbuilder from ibm and like > it lots. most others were always messing with my html > too much (staroffice) or just buggy and stuff (mozilla > and netscape composer). > > it's not free in the dollar sense, the trial runs out > in 60 days. but it seems fairly decent. no dreamweaver > but the closest i've found so far. > -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Speaking of Dell and Linux.........
Bill Winegarden wrote: > > Hi, > I know that Dell is a supporter of linux. Check this link > http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/topics/linux_linuxhome.htm > > If you're really looking for pre-installed software, it is > availableunfortunately it is RedHat and not Mandrake..ah > well.. > > Regards, > Bill W. Hi Bill, That okay. Just repartition the drive, add another Linux OS such as Lnux Mandrake, install a good boot loader i.e. System Commander 2000 and you are in business. That's what I'm using. It's great!! Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
If you think Linux is great now, wait till the Office tools get improved, additional vidio card drivers and improved kernel are added. I'll give it 2 - 5 years. It'll be good-bye Microsoft for me...That's the only reason I'm hanging on to MS ,is that I still need MSWord, Excel, a certain simulation tool and a good html editor with WYSIWYG. However, I can already replace Excel with Kspread. Are there any good math programs and html editors out there for Linux? "Charles A. Punch" wrote: > > Solver wrote: > > > > > An average, or lower, user, assuming he has got kowledge of English, can > > install Windows without trouble, easily install apps under it, click start, > > point to programs and Microsoft Word. > > > This kind of statement is one of the things that scares off potential Linux users. >I switched over to Linux, because Windows crashed on me and would not re-install >correctly on my laptop. In desperation I installed LM 71, which I had played around >with, but was afraid of, because of statements like the one above or, "Linux is not >user friendly" It installed without a hitch and I managed to get my mailing list done >on time. It was easier to install than Windows, contrary to popular belief. I have >not looked back since. I use Win98 now only because I have not figured out how to >install my scanner correctly, but I have had trouble with peripherals in windows as >well. My zip drive gave me a real hard time to install in Windows, but LM recognized >it with no problem. I didn't have to do anything. I didn't install a driver or >anything, it just worked after install. > > Solver also wrote; > > > Once, when I was instructing a user to type DOS commands, I didn't say open > > the MS-DOS prompt. I just said: > > Type the following commands: > > cd \windows > > copy user.dat \backup > > copy user.da0 \backup > > defrag > > > > And, when nothing worked I was suprised. Turned out that user typed it all > > in Word... And I can never imagine users like this installing Linux apps and > > compiling sources. > > Solver... > > > It sounds like the above "user" would have trouble with any operating system, but >it would fall under the category of a non sequitor to assume that he would have any >more trouble with Linux than with Windows or for that matter, any other OS. I use >Linux because it is easier to install and use than Windows. No defragmenting or >cleaning up the registry every five minutes like in Windows, less crashes from >opening too many programs at once and finally less chance of getting a virus. Okay, >so some software is a little harder to install, but it seems that I see more and more >RPMs instead of or in addition to than in the past and that is a small concession to >make for all the other advantages. > > ShalomOut > Chal > > Registered Linux user #217118
[newbie] Speaking of Dell and Linux.........
Hi, I know that Dell is a supporter of linux. Check this link http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/topics/linux_linuxhome.htm If you're really looking for pre-installed software, it is availableunfortunately it is RedHat and not Mandrake..ah well.. Regards, Bill W.
Re: [newbie] Please no more "No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft" posts!
Don: This is an unmoderated mail list. That means if you send it, we read it. You just have to accept that these things will happen once in a while. Consider it to be part of the charm of the place ... along with the occasional multiple postings. I don't know what mail reader you're using, but I've found Netscape's DELETE key very useful. Regards, Carroll Don WILSON wrote: > > I signed up after installing Mandrake to help me learn how to use Linux > after years of Windows. I have already found answers and I appreciate you > folks who have been where I am by taking the time to help. > > I don't want (and I sure most of you don't either) mailboxes filled with all > these inane replies. Please limit you posts to Q & A related to Linux probs > and fixes. Are there any moderators in this list. Can we stop this! > > Thanks for my rant and keep up the good work! > > Newbie, But not for long.
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
Solver wrote: > > An average, or lower, user, assuming he has got kowledge of English, can > install Windows without trouble, easily install apps under it, click start, > point to programs and Microsoft Word. > This kind of statement is one of the things that scares off potential Linux users. I >switched over to Linux, because Windows crashed on me and would not re-install >correctly on my laptop. In desperation I installed LM 71, which I had played around >with, but was afraid of, because of statements like the one above or, "Linux is not >user friendly" It installed without a hitch and I managed to get my mailing list done >on time. It was easier to install than Windows, contrary to popular belief. I have >not looked back since. I use Win98 now only because I have not figured out how to >install my scanner correctly, but I have had trouble with peripherals in windows as >well. My zip drive gave me a real hard time to install in Windows, but LM recognized >it with no problem. I didn't have to do anything. I didn't install a driver or >anything, it just worked after install. Solver also wrote; > Once, when I was instructing a user to type DOS commands, I didn't say open > the MS-DOS prompt. I just said: > Type the following commands: > cd \windows > copy user.dat \backup > copy user.da0 \backup > defrag > > And, when nothing worked I was suprised. Turned out that user typed it all > in Word... And I can never imagine users like this installing Linux apps and > compiling sources. > Solver... > It sounds like the above "user" would have trouble with any operating system, but it >would fall under the category of a non sequitor to assume that he would have any more >trouble with Linux than with Windows or for that matter, any other OS. I use Linux >because it is easier to install and use than Windows. No defragmenting or cleaning up >the registry every five minutes like in Windows, less crashes from opening too many >programs at once and finally less chance of getting a virus. Okay, so some software >is a little harder to install, but it seems that I see more and more RPMs instead of >or in addition to than in the past and that is a small concession to make for all the >other advantages. ShalomOut Chal Registered Linux user #217118 > >
Re: [newbie] Xfree Version
haha too late. I wanted to be a Linux guru so I downloaded xfree 4.1.0 and I installed it. h. Guess what??? I got a core dump. :). Then I had to reinstall LM8 again. But this time I chose xfree 4.0.3. Thank you --- Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Deary, deary me. It looks like you have both XFree86 > versions 3.3.6 > and 4.0.3 installed. You should at least have the > following packages > installed: > > XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk > XFree86-server-4.0.3-7mdk > XFree86-libs-4.0.3-7mdk > XFree86-4.0.3-7mdk > XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk > XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-7mdk > > Uninstall all 3.3.6 versions of XFree86 and make > sure all the above > pacakges are installed. > > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:45, OOzy Pal wrote: > > What is the X version that is shipped with > Mandrake 8. > > I am really lost. When I typed: > > > > X -version > > > > I got > > > > XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System > > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release > 6300) > > Release Date: Jan 8 2000. > > . > > . > > . > > > > and when I typed > > > > rpm -qa | grep XFree > > > > I got > > > > XFree86-libs-4.0.3-7mdk > > XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-mdk > > XFree86-SVGA-3.3.6-21mdk > > XFree86-4.0.3-7mdk > > XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk > > XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.0.3-7mdk > > XFree86-server-common-3.3.6-21mdk > > XFree86-server-4.0.3-7mdk > > > > So which one am I using and where can I get the > latest > > version? > > -- > Sridhar Dhanapalan. > "There are two major products that come from > Berkeley: > LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a > coincidence." > -- Jeremy S. Anderson = Regards, OOzy What is the purpose of life? __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] I have no loopback interface
I had the same problem with Mandrake 7.2. Add the line "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1" to your /etc/rc.d/rc.local file. On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:34, John Farrell wrote: > When I start my machine, I have no loopback interface. I can create > one, but why do I have to? Nobody I have asked has ever encountered > a Unix machine without a loopback interface. Thanks for any clues! > > John > > [root@localhost john]# ifconfig > [root@localhost john]# ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 > [root@localhost john]# ifconfig > loLink encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Wow
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:11, Wendell Gragg wrote: > I think that you have hit on the crux of the problem for Linux...it > still requires a fairly high degree of technical proficiency to > install and run it. As long as this is the case, MS and MAC will > have an advantage in the consumer market. Granted, this platform > has come a very long way with the improvements in KDE and Gnome just > in the last year, but it is still full of glitches that will hamper > it being widely distributed and pre-installed on home machines. UNIX (including GNU/Linux) *can* be made ready for the desktop. MacOS X is proof. > For example, I have had a number of problems getting printing to > work correctly since I installed LM8. It turns out that I had to go > in and change some settings in a cup.conf file to get it even half > way reliable. I also have had problems upgrading as the RPM manager > does not seem to have a list of update sites except in the security > tab. This can be confusing (and still is to me) because when one > sees a tab for security, he/she will assume that this is for > security related updates only. What if I don't want that kind of > update? Where do I get them? > > Burning CD's is another problem. I have tried to get the two cd > burning programs installed by default to burn cds. Gcombust finally > has, but I can't get it to make a bootable copy of the install disk > 1 for LM8. There is no documentation I can find and the it > certainly not self explanatory. Is your CD-ROM drive actually bootable? My friend bought a new computer only a few months ago and he found that the CD-ROM drive wouldn't boot with any bootable CD. If you burn Mandrake from an ISO image then the resulting CD will be bootable. > My point is that unless one is very competent with OS's, Linux is > hard to use and understand. Even when one has been working in the > field for 27 years as I have, there is a steep learning curve. For > all of Microsoft's problems, their OS works most of the time out of > the box and is not that hard for the average consumer to use. > There are many sources of help for the non-techie as well as the > tech. Classes abound (both for free and for fee) on how to use > things such as Word and IE5. ( I know because I am the automation > coordinator for a public library system and we offer free classes.) > These are hard things for any OS to overcome. Can it be done? Yes, > but the platform will have to continue to mature and great emphasis > will have to be made on improving and simplifying interfaces and > insulating the non-technical user from the internals of the system. > Most users will not put up with what I and many others who have > posted here for help have had to go through. The difference between > them and us is that we have the mindset of not letting the computer > win and enough technical know-how to try different things. > > Perhaps, as world governments and more in business embrace the > concepts that Linux is founded upon, and time effort and money are > put into simplifying things, then the average consumer will be > willing and able to buy into it also. The next couple of years > should be interesting, especially considering what MS is doing to > combat piracy. > > << > > BTW, I am a user who has installed Linux twice. Once about a year > ago and then abandoned it because I did not have time to learn it > and now, because I wish to get my feet wet into the "Unix" world and > because I don't like what MS is getting ready to do with its > licensing. They are not intended to bash anybody or anything, but > only to honestly express what I feel could hold up the revolution. > Before anyone flames me, please let me get my asbestos underwear! > > Wendell Gragg > > > From: "Solver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "Linux Newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:32:25 +0300 > > > >Well, for me Linux still is a secondary OS. I'm now going to start > > doing office jobs in StarOffice, but as long as I can't get modem > > to work, I can't > >do Internet stuff. > >Also, I have been writing apps for VisualBasic, and continue to do > > that in Win. But, I spend an even increasing amount of time in > > Linux. I'm proud with > >my OS knowledge: > >I have perfect knowledge of Windows 3.0, 3.1 and especially 3.11, > > as well as > >Windows 95 and 98. I know NT series (especially W2K Server), even > > though I really hate W2K. I know the very basics of BeOS - at > > least I can install it, > >install apps under it, and do some little job. I'm familiar with > > the Solaris > >OS, and am now gaining knowledge of Linux. When I get to interm. > > user level, > >I'll use my programming knowledge to recompile the source to suit > > my needs. Solver -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincid
Re: [newbie] kups paper size...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:37, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Friday 15 June 2001 08:37, I was honoured by a missive from > Sridhar > > Dhanapalan that said : > > > > Try pointing your browser to http://localhost:631/ and > > > > configuring your printer from there. > > > > > > When I do this, even as root, I get an error screen > > > Forbidden > > > You don't have permission to access the resource on this > > > server. > > > > Do you have a third-party firewall going? The Mandrake and > > Bastille firewalls should be okay, but others may block the page > > (which loads off your own system (localhost). > > Dont know that I have ;-( > > Is there a simple way to find out ? If you don't know than chances are you don't have one installed. > > Try replacing "localhost" in the URL to your actual hostname. You > > can type "hostname" at a terminal to find out what it is. Use > > Netscape as your browser, just to make sure. I get "Connection > > refused" whenever I try to use Konqueror, but Netscape and Opera > > deal with it well. > > Tried that, under Netscape; same result. > > > If this still doesn't work, then perhaps you don't have a loopback > > interface installed. Try typing > > > > /sbin/ifconfig lo > > > > at a terminal. If you get nothing then you need to configure a > > loopback device. > > I tried this, got: > > loLink encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1 > RX packets:4722 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:4722 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > So it seems to be there. Yes, it is there. Open the Mandrake Control Centre and choose System -> Services. Make sure cups is running. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 04:48, Solver wrote: > I love Microsoft. I respect Bill Gates. Not only they ain't my > enemies - they are my friends. Yes, I like Linux, it's enhanced > functionality and especially stability, but Microsoft were the first > to do it. Since when was Windows stable? And even if it is, were they really the "first to do it"? As a former Windows-user (yes, I've even used Win2K), I can say that Windows is the most crash-prone OS I've ever come across. If it wern't for the lack of applications, I would've stayed with OS/2 and DOS instead of switching to WIndows. > I believe that they're doing everything the right way. > Also, the monopoly situation is very good for users. You can put > your file on a disk, go to a friend being sure you'll find the same > Windows and Word there. The worst I could imagine is this: > Windows - 40% > Linux - 30% > MacOS - 10% > BeOS - 5% > Solaris - 5% > Other - 5% This will never happen. Windows, GNU/Linux and MacOS will dominate. BeOS and Solaris, while being excellent OSs, will not survive on the desktop. Solaris still has a lot of life on the server, though. > Then you would be usnure as to what will you find there. If Linux > user, you had to save both for Linux and Windows formats, and Mac > doesn't read these disks. So, you would need to know specifically > where are you going, and what the PCs are there. Each time I go to > repair a PC, I'm almost sure what I'll see there. Microsoft love to create a "lock-in", or "venus flytrap" situation. They entice you to use their products, and make it very difficult for you to leave. MS Word's (before XP) file format deliberately contains a lot of binary code, making it difficult for a competitor to make an import/export filter for it, and hence locking people into MS Word. Internet Explorer accepts a twisted, proprietary form of HTML, foring web designers to make pages that only work best in IE (since it is the most widely used browser). Since pages look best in IE, more people use it, creating a viscous cycle. Open standards and open file formats like W3C HTML and other XML-based formats (e.g. the new OpenOffice and Office XP formats) are what encourage innovation in the industry, since they are fully open to everyone. The StarOffice (now OpenOffice) people have done a wonderful job at reverse-engineering the binary MS Office formats. Parsing the Office XP formats, being XML-based, has been much easier for them, and has made them more competitive. With open formats like this, it doesn't matter what programme you use, or what platform you use. OpenOffice is shaping up to be a real MS Office-killer, and it is available on a multitude of platforms, including GNU/Linux and WIndows. > Microsoft are responsible for what they release. They provide the > product to you, and given you buy it legally, they also provide you > with support, updates, etc. Like these? http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092434,00.html http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2772328,00.html http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092585,00.html http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092661,00.html This is a danger with closed-source software: you have no idea what's inside. For all we know, everyone's passwords are probably being forwarded to Microsoft. > You can register at Linux Counter and > others, but they won't give you that support, even though bug > reporting is awesome. You can buy support from distro vendors (Mandrake, Red Hat, etc.) This is just like any other software. You get what you pay for. GNU/Linux is free, and you get free support in the form of neewsgroups and mailing lists. If you want official support, you have to pay. It still works out cheaper than paying for propritary software, since you're paying purely for support, not for the software. You can't expect something for nothing. > And, another thing I love in Linux are the > penguins. I love that they're everywhere, and one of my > recompilation jobs will be to put even more penguins on their work > at Linux desktop and applications. They just look cool - nice > animals. Tux rulez :-) > Also, I'd like to add that I hate to buy PC with preinstalled > software. When I got one with preinstalled Windows (what I used > then), the first thing I done was formatting C: and installing it > myself. Now I use dual-boot W98, and Linux Mandrake. If I bought a > PC with this dual boot, I'd still run Partition Magic and wipe it > all, to install myself. I don't love when something is preinstalled. > As a PC expert, I want to install everything myself - even if this > is something I never installed. Yes, I did feel unsure installing > Windows for the first time, as I also did installing Linux and BeOS > for the first time. It all passes. If you buy a new PC, chances are it'll have WIndows pre-installed. Whether you actually use that or something else doesn't matter, you are paying MS for it. Buying a syst
Re: [newbie] xcdroast question
Have a look here: http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/hardware/hremov3.html#cdrw Note especially point 9 under "Pre-7.0". On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:53, mooseman wrote: > X-RebelTech Is Here: www.rebeltech.ca > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > i am trying to setup xcdroast. > > i installed all the packages suggested by that mandrake email > newsletter. everything installed ok. i can get all the status on my > drive and such so i think the hardware end is ok. > i did the suggested (by xcdroast) chown and chmod for the > persmissions and ownership, but then i run xcdroast i get > > "GTK warning: this process is currently running as setuid or setgid. > this is not a supported use of GTK+. you must create a helper > program" > > i have fooled around with different permissions, but i can't get > anywhere. > > anyone seen this? anyone have a suggestion? > > many thanks, > > moose. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [newbie] What is the kudzu function in LM8
Do you mean on the server-side? The problem is that this may filter out legitimate mail as well (like this one). Users would have to be careful not to put the word "Autoreply" in their subject header. Besides, not all autoreply messages explicitly say "autoreply" in the subject header. The point is that I am getting this mail sent to me, personally, whenever I send a message to the Newbie List. I don't think filters are the answer -- there is something even more sinister at work here :-) On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:34, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Friday 15 June 2001 10:20, I was honoured by a missive from > Sridhar > > Dhanapalan that said : > > Someone should really do something about that mail server. > > What about a filter rule that send to Trash anything with > "autoreply" in the subject line ? > > Ron. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
RE: [newbie] X shutdown
Sorry for replying so late. No the config is not the same for me. The problem still persists. I have a SiS630 graphics card. I tried your vga code. did not work. For framebuffer I read somewhere that you have to use 791 for vga code in your lilo.conf. But when I use that code the normal text only mode does not restore after X shutdown, though I can type my commands and either restart the computer or restart X. I will try and upgrade the kernel - if that helps. Navin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kheb Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2001 10:48 AM To: Navin Daryanani; Linux-Newbie (E-mail) Subject: Re: [newbie] X shutdown Forget the Framebuffer =( (or teach me please =), try a minor resolution. I have this in lilo.conf: vga=0x0f06 it's working for me. This say kudzu about mi Video Card: class: VIDEO bus: PCI detached: 0 driver: Card:ATI Mach64 desc: "ATI|3D Rage LT Pro AGP-133" vendorId: 1002 deviceId: 4c42 subVendorId: 0e11 subDeviceId: b11b pciType: 1 is familiar for you? Kheb On Sat, 26 May 2001 14:04:46 +1000, Navin Daryanani said: > Hello people > > I have finally managed to install LM8.0 on my laptop and use it with > Framebuffer mode. But there is one more problem with X. When I exit X I get > a total blank screen on my laptop. I can see that it does reach the bash > prompt bec' I can type in shell commands like restarting X or rebooting etc. > But I do not know how to bring the text console back when I end the X > session. > > I have tried all the shortcuts like Ctrl+F1 etc... Ctrl+Alt+BackSpace > (incase X is still running), and some more combinations) but nothing works. > > Thanks for your help > > Regards > Navin > > > > > > --- Next Part --- > > > > > > > > > Hello > people >class=359295903-26052001> > I have finally > managed to install LM8.0 on my laptop and use it with Framebuffer mode. But > there is one more problem with X. When I exit X I get a total blank screen on my > laptop. I can see that it does reach the bash prompt bec' I can type in shell > commands like restarting X or rebooting etc. But I do not know how to bring the > text console back when I end the X session. >class=359295903-26052001> > I have tried all the > shortcuts like Ctrl+F1 etc... Ctrl+Alt+BackSpace (incase X is still running), > and some more combinations) but nothing works. >class=359295903-26052001> > Thanks for your > help >class=359295903-26052001> >class=359295903-26052001>Regards >class=359295903-26052001>Navin >class=359295903-26052001> >class=359295903-26052001> >class=359295903-26052001> > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
[newbie] Java
Hi Folks, Is there something simple I'm missing here? I need to look at some java stuff but can't. I have LM7.2 with Netscape and Konqueror.I've gone in the control module in Konqueror and enabled Java globally,and the script. Should I set it to automatically find Java? Or do I need to set the path ? It's using Blackdown now..while Netscape is using Sun I assume ?( a dangerous thing to do I know)Gone in Netscape and enabled Java there as well. What else do I need to do to make this happen? Thank you very much for your time. Lee
Re: [newbie] My install is either failing or I don't know how to bootup
If you have already installed Linux, you may have pointed lilo to root rather than the main boot partition. In my case, I set it to boot from hda8. This happened to me two or three days ago after installing Linux. I had a black screen showing LIL. Before you decide to reboot, ensure that you insert the Linux Boot Floppy Diskette NOT the Boot CD. Just as your computer is is rebooting, press the DEL key. This will take you into your BIOS setup. Select the order of which you want to boot from your computer. Set it to floppy. Save your BIOS changes and reboot your computer with the Linux Boot Floppy inserted in your A drive. This will restore Linux. Once Linux boots to the GUI login. Not text. Next to user or name , type in: root Below it, type in your password and press the Go button. Finally, click on the Mandrake Control Center. Click on the floppy icon name Boot or Boot Setup and click on Configure. Ensure that it inidicates lilo. Just below lilo, click on the drop down arrow and select hda Below hda, the default setting is 5 seconds Click on on the OK buttons and reboot your computer. It should be back to normal. Roman Lee Hoffner wrote: > > When you refer to the Linux Boot Disk, are you referring to the Core System > CD that MandrakeSoft supplies? How do I log in as Root? (I have so far never > been presented with any screen other than the Install Splash screen, where I > can only hit Enter or F1. The closest I have gotten to having any kind of > command line interaction is by typing "rescue" after F1. Am I in the > ballpark? > > --LH > > > Lee, > > Reboot your computer with the LInux Boot Disk. Lgo in as root. Click on > the Mandrake Control Center. Select the Boot Configuration and set it to > hda and you will prompted to apply the changes by clickin on the done > button. > To be on safe side, opne a console and type in: lilo -v > Press the [enter] key and reboot our computer. > > Roman > Registered Linux User #179293 > This email is powered by the Tux Email Utility
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Re: [newbie] My install is either failing or I don't know how to bootup
My BIOS is set to read CDROM, A, C. I made a boot floppy with rawwrite, using the Mandrake cdrom.img file. - Original Message - From: Dennis M. To: Lee Hoffner Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] My install is either failing or I don't know how to bootup If you made a boot disk for linux you should be able to boot into linux with that. Bios configured to read A, C, scsi so that it reads the floppy first. If no floppy I don't know how you can do it without going into an upgrade and making a boot floppy during the upgrade . -- Dennis M. registered Linux user #180842
Re: [newbie] My install is either failing or I don't know how to bootup
When you refer to the Linux Boot Disk, are you referring to the Core System CD that MandrakeSoft supplies? How do I log in as Root? (I have so far never been presented with any screen other than the Install Splash screen, where I can only hit Enter or F1. The closest I have gotten to having any kind of command line interaction is by typing "rescue" after F1. Am I in the ballpark? --LH Lee, Reboot your computer with the LInux Boot Disk. Lgo in as root. Click on the Mandrake Control Center. Select the Boot Configuration and set it to hda and you will prompted to apply the changes by clickin on the done button. To be on safe side, opne a console and type in: lilo -v Press the [enter] key and reboot our computer. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 This email is powered by the Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] My install is either failing or I don't know how to bootup
Lee Hoffner wrote: > > I have just completed several DAYS of prepping my system and then installing > Mandrake 8.0. > > System: > PII 333 > 324MB ram > Dual monitors: #1 on AGP Voodoo3000, #2 on PCI Voodoo3000 > 6.4GB HD (C:\) > 20GB HD (D:\) > Printer on LPT1 > Thrustmaster joystick on cCOM2 > Ethernet adapter card > CDROM (E:\) > HP CD-Writer 9100 series (F:\) > > Defragged and ran installation. Could not get graphical install, so ran text > only. I'm doing a dual-boot. > > C: is full, so I setup the partition for D:, as that has 8 GB I can give to > Linux. On first install attempt, I didn't know which option to choose for > where to put the bootloader, so I picked "At front of drive". After > installation was done, system did not reboot to Linux or offer me a choice > (should it?). System booted Windows instead. A second attempt at install let > me change my bootloader setting to "At front of MBR". After completing > install, reboot got as far as "LIL" on my screen and then everything > stopped. > > How can I boot Linux? > > Thanks! Lee, Reboot your computer with the LInux Boot Disk. Lgo in as root. Click on the Mandrake Control Center. Select the Boot Configuration and set it to hda and you will prompted to apply the changes by clickin on the done button. To be on safe side, opne a console and type in: lilo -v Press the [enter] key and reboot our computer. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 This email is powered by the Tux Email Utility
[newbie] Run as command??
Would anyone out there know if I can configure a program to run in super user mode while logged in as a regular user? Specifically, I would like to run nmapf as root while logged in as myself.
Re: [newbie] Wow
I have to agree with you there, Solver. I'm giving KDE a thorough test now, though, since I somehow trashed my Sawfish. I can get other wm's to work with Gnome but I love my Fish too much, so I'm doing the KDE thing. KDE just has a cold feel to me. Gnome gives me a warm feeling and like you say, the panel is to die for. I'm a bit concerned about the instability that's been reported in Gnome 1.4, though; I don't have it yet, still waiting on my LM 8 to be delivered. Jay On Friday 15 June 2001 14:32, Solver wrote: > KDE sucks was my first thought when I first ran Linux, almost a year ago. > Even though for a very short time. Love GNOME - it looks better, love the > Panel, even though, I mostly either use StarrOffice, or sit neck deep in a > terminal. > Solver > - Original Message - > From: "Sridhar Dhanapalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Adams, Jamie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Linux List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > > > I guess it really depends on what you do with your system. I like to > > push mine right to its limits, running stuff like Windows in VMware > > (which is reasonably usable) and having several different web browsers > > open on a GNOME desktop. I've noticed that KDE and especially IceWM > > are faster than GNOME, but I find that GNOME suits my needs better > > (nothing can compare to Sawfish and the GNOME Panel :-) > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26, Adams, Jamie wrote: > > > I dont know why you lot should be chuggin'. Im using a Toshiba > > > Satellite 2520CDT (AMD K62-300) with 64mb ram and a 4.1gig HDD, > > > everything runs perfectly on mine, much faster than 98 did! no > > > complaints here.. -- > > > Jamie Adams > > > Housing Assistant > > > > > > 41 Castle Road > > > SCARBOROUGH > > > North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ > > > > > > Tel: (01723) 507543 > > > Fax: (01723) 355862 > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > >Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Sent: 15 June 2001 07:33 > > > >To: Jay needs a Guinness; Linux List > > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > > > > > > > >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: > > > >> You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix > > > >> 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me > > > >> PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new > > > >> computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse > > > >> to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. > > > > > > > >If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was > > > >absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts > > > > a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but > > > > it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like > > > > Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. > > > > > > > >I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, > > > >Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at > > > > the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a > > > > nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in > > > > Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on > > > > Linux at > > > >http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. > > > > -- > > Sridhar Dhanapalan. > > "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: > > LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." > > -- Jeremy S. Anderson -- "I thought I had an appetite for destruction, but all I really wanted was a club sandwich"
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:35:31 -0600, you wrote: >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, you wrote: >> That is now changing with some of the big computer companies, including >> Dell. They offer the option to have Linux or Windows installed. > >Dell does offer Linux or windows on their server line, nut not on desktops or >laptops. At least that is what they told me when i bought my Lattitude CPx. >Their service agreement does not cover a linux machine, and if you even >install it as a dual boot, it will void your service policy. I have a Compaq, and one day needed to call their customer support...the guy I spoke with was pretty cool, so I asked him if they supported a machine if I was to install Linux on, as a dual-boot system. His reply was pretty funny - he said "no, we don't support that" and continued, with a nudge and a wink in his tone: "...IF YOU TELL US!" peace, Rog "The effort _must_ be there before the talent can be applied." -Bobby Holik
Re: [newbie] change hostname
I've never had any luck with the hostname command; it works fine until I reboot, then my changes are lost. The best way to do it is to edit (as root) the /etc/hosts file. DO NOT change or delete the line that says "localhost.localdomain localhost" - some aspects of the system really want that to be there. Rather, copy that line, but in the new line change both instances of localhost to the new hostname and change localdomain to your desired domain name. The DNS address for both lines should be 127.0.0.1 . I personally don't use Linuxconf because it always insists on changing a lot of things that I don't want changed - for example, I lose my user-level pppd privileges if I let Linuxconf do things its way. I'll use it as a reference tool but not to modify settings. And, just in case I've been awake hacking away too long and do save the fubar'd changes, I have scripts set up to fix the usual offenders (such as chmods and chowns) Jay DeKing On Friday 15 June 2001 10:46, Tim Holmes wrote: > You can also use the hostname command. > > Just type hostname > > That will do the trick as well. That's what I've used in FreeBSD. Since > there's no Linuxconf to use that I know of, and I don't have X installed to > find another GUI. tdh > > -- > T. Holmes > - > UNIXTECHS.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > "Real Men Us Vi!" > > | How do I change the hostname that is set during startup > | (localhost.localdomain)? The hostname command changes it, but at startup > | it is always set back to localhost.localdomain during boot. > | > | -Noah Richards > > -- -- "I thought I had an appetite for destruction, but all I really wanted was a club sandwich"
[newbie] Sound card no longer supported?
When I run sndconfig I get a message stating that "The Fortemedia, Inc Xwave QS3000A [FM801] is not currently supported. It does work under 7.2. What do I need to do to get working?
RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
The reason why M$ has most of the market share, right now. Is cause it doens't take too much brain power to operate a windows box. For linux it requires alot of thought in what you are doing, what is going on with your system. If people like not knowing what their OS is doing then fine, MS is the way to go. But for power users, and people that really like to think about what is going on, then Linux/UNIX is the choose of champs. SUN is rock solid BTW, M$ crashes. For M$ networks, it doesn't take too much money to suppport, admins are a dime a dozen. MSCE is just stupid. Their is no value in that cert. For Linux/UNIX, it's much harder to find someone that knows what they are doing. It's much more expensive to find a good admin. M$ has it's place. But for high availablity M$ is not the way to go. I've worked as a windows admin for a very long time. Then I started to think after time and time again, high traffic sites, firewalls goes down, day in and out. Moved it over to UNIX and never had to wake up 3 o'clock AM to fix some dumb M$ problem any more. And the fact that when you reboot it solves 75% of M$ problems , then that is a mjor issue to me. Explain it to your boss that you rebooted and it fixed the problem, but your not quite sure what happened. That is welcome to M$. But there will always be a place for M$, cause people like cheap,easy solutions. But it all goes to show , you get what you pay for. --Scott -Original Message- From: Romanator Sent: Fri 6/15/2001 6:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Solver Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft You're looking through rose colored glasses. I think you better look at Microsoft's new policy on what they support. They have dropped support for number of their OSes. I take it you have never worked in an office environment in software programming. Solver wrote: > > I love Microsoft. I respect Bill Gates. Not only they ain't my enemies - > they are my friends. Yes, I like Linux, it's enhanced functionality and > especially stability, but Microsoft were the first to do it. I believe that > they're doing everything the right way. > Also, the monopoly situation is very good for users. You can put your file > on a disk, go to a friend being sure you'll find the same Windows and Word > there. The worst I could imagine is this: > Windows - 40% > Linux - 30% > MacOS - 10% > BeOS - 5% > Solaris - 5% > Other - 5% > Then you would be usnure as to what will you find there. If Linux user, you > had to save both for Linux and Windows formats, and Mac doesn't read these > disks. So, you would need to know specifically where are you going, and what > the PCs are there. Each time I go to repair a PC, I'm almost sure what I'll > see there. > Microsoft are responsible for what they release. They provide the product to > you, and given you buy it legally, they also provide you with support, > updates, etc. You can register at Linux Counter and others, but they won't > give you that support, even though bug reporting is awesome. And, another > thing I love in Linux are the penguins. I love that they're everywhere, and > one of my recompilation jobs will be to put even more penguins on their work > at Linux desktop and applications. They just look cool - nice animals. > > Also, I'd like to add that I hate to buy PC with preinstalled software. When > I got one with preinstalled Windows (what I used then), the first thing I > done was formatting C: and installing it myself. Now I use dual-boot W98, > and Linux Mandrake. If I bought a PC with this dual boot, I'd still run > Partition Magic and wipe it all, to install myself. I don't love when > something is preinstalled. As a PC expert, I want to install everything > myself - even if this is something I never installed. Yes, I did feel unsure > installing Windows for the first time, as I also did installing Linux and > BeOS for the first time. It all passes. > Solver > - Original Message - > From: "Franki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Rules Address for MDK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Romanator" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:12 PM > Subject: RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft > > > If we all pipe up and say something, microsoft will probably come to all > our > > houses to check for copies of illegal software... > > > > like that old 386 with win
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
That is now changing with some of the big computer companies, including Dell. They offer the option to have Linux or Windows installed. Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > There have been many rebuttals published to this article all over the > Internet: aboutlinux.com, linuxtoday.com, lwn.net, and even ZDNet > itself. Gartner Dataquest's figures (sponsored by Microsoft) are in > direct contrast to those made by other research companies. IDC, for > example, gives GNU/Linux a share of about 24%. IDC and others > recognise that most GNU/Linux installations are not bought > shrink-wrapped like proprietary OSs are, and that a single copy can be > used on an unlimited number of computers. > > Also, many vendors don't give the option of buying a computer without > Windows. People are forced to pay for Windows licenses, but when they > get their computers they wipe the hard drive and install GNU/Linux. As > the computer is not purchased with GNU/Linux initially installed, it > is counted as a Windows machine. > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > A story from www.theregister.co.uk: > > > > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html) > > > > No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft > > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco > > Posted: 13/06/2001 at 11:21 GMT > > > > Gartner Dataquest has pegged the proportion of > > Linux servers shipped in the United States at 8.6 per cent. > > > > Gartner analyst Jeffery Hewitt claims that this > > figure - which includes 'white box' shipments, but excludes server > > appliances such as Sun's Cobalt range - is dramatically lower than > > the 20 per cent plus cited by arch rivals IDC. Of that 8.6 per cent, > > eight per cent is attributed to Red Hat and 0.6 per cent to other > > distros. > > > > The survey is dated May 30, but was made public > > yesterday. > > > > We don't usually hear about analyst surveys from > > vendors in advance of publication. But yesterday a note dropped in > > from Microsoft's PR company, Waggener Edstrom. > > > > "8.6 per cent is... certainly in line with what > > we are hearing from our customers and partners," wrote a friendly > > Wagg-Ed flak. > > > > Now there's some dispute over what a 'shipment' > > actually involves, as NewsForge's Rob 'roblimo' Miller points out in > > this analysis. And he has a very good point: for example, Gartner > > pegs Linux shipments in the supercomputer space as 'zero' this year. > > In fact Linux is well established on commodity parallel clusters at > > many scientific sites. Many of these were assembled in-house, so a > > shipment clearly doesn't correlate to a working installation. > > > > However, Microsoft's pre-emptive strike may be > > tactical. Hewitt actually predicts that volume shipments of Linux - > > even using Gartner's contested definition of 'shipment' and 'server' > > - will mushroom in the next four years. > > > > Total worldwide Linux deployment will quadruple > > from 2.4 million to 9.1 million, predicts Gartner, with explosive > > growth in the supercomputer area: up from that dubious 'zero' this > > year to over 5000 by 2005. In the $25,000 to $100,000 range - the > > low-end company workhorse - Linux shipments will increase ninefold. > > In the sub-$5000 space, Linux will grow over six fold. > > > > So this may be a case of the Beast getting its > > retaliation in first. > > > > Might be interesting to know :-) > > Paul > > -- > Sridhar Dhanapalan. > "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: > LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." > -- Jeremy S. Anderson -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
Because it's tax deductible. Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > The idea of a "gift" is not uncommon in the media. Often, the > "journalist" will get to keep the item they are reviewing if they > write something favourable. I heard a few years ago that Sony was > giving away PlayStations to anyone in the media who said something > good about the console, even just in passing. This was informal; they > wouldn't tell people "say something nice about us and we'll give you a > PlayStation". Instead they would reward those who said good things out > of the blue. This meant there was no "bribe" as such, but > "journalists" and presenters were encouraged to evangelise the > PlayStation in the hope of getting one from Sony. > > For a software company, this is especially easy. A pressed CD only > costs a few cents nowadays (when mass-produced, of course). When M$ > donates software to schools and charities, they can say "we donated XX > million dollars worth of software" when the cost to them was only a > few bucks. They aren't losing potential customers by giving the > software away, since these non-profit organisations couldn't have > afforded it anyway. > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:43, Romanator wrote: > > I bet Microsoft provided a lotta software as a "gift" for writing > > these articles. There will be more to come. Many times the writers > > must ship the drafts to Microsoft for approval before it goes to > > print. However, I wouldn't get alarmed. They are blowing a lot of > > hot air. > > > > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > There have been many rebuttals published to this article all over > > > the Internet: aboutlinux.com, linuxtoday.com, lwn.net, and even > > > ZDNet itself. Gartner Dataquest's figures (sponsored by Microsoft) > > > are in direct contrast to those made by other research companies. > > > IDC, for example, gives GNU/Linux a share of about 24%. IDC and > > > others recognise that most GNU/Linux installations are not bought > > > shrink-wrapped like proprietary OSs are, and that a single copy > > > can be used on an unlimited number of computers. > > > > > > Also, many vendors don't give the option of buying a computer > > > without Windows. People are forced to pay for Windows licenses, > > > but when they get their computers they wipe the hard drive and > > > install GNU/Linux. As the computer is not purchased with GNU/Linux > > > initially installed, it is counted as a Windows machine. > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > A story from www.theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > > > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html) > > > > > > > > No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft > > > > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco > > > > Posted: 13/06/2001 at 11:21 GMT > > > > > > > > Gartner Dataquest has pegged the proportion > > > > of Linux servers shipped in the United States at 8.6 per cent. > > > > > > > > Gartner analyst Jeffery Hewitt claims that > > > > this figure - which includes 'white box' shipments, but excludes > > > > server appliances such as Sun's Cobalt range - is dramatically > > > > lower than the 20 per cent plus cited by arch rivals IDC. Of > > > > that 8.6 per cent, eight per cent is attributed to Red Hat and > > > > 0.6 per cent to other distros. > > > > > > > > The survey is dated May 30, but was made > > > > public yesterday. > > > > > > > > We don't usually hear about analyst surveys > > > > from vendors in advance of publication. But yesterday a note > > > > dropped in from Microsoft's PR company, Waggener Edstrom. > > > > > > > > "8.6 per cent is... certainly in line with > > > > what we are hearing from our customers and partners," wrote a > > > > friendly Wagg-Ed flak. > > > > > > > > Now there's some dispute over what a > > > > 'shipment' actually involves, as NewsForge's Rob 'roblimo' > > > > Miller points out in this analysis. And he has a very good > > > > point: for example, Gartner pegs Linux shipments in the > > > > supercomputer space as 'zero' this year. In fact Linux is well > > > > established on commodity parallel clusters at many scientific > > > > sites. Many of these were assembled in-house, so a shipment > > > > clearly doesn't correlate to a working installation. > > > > > > > > However, Microsoft's pre-emptive strike may > > > > be tactical. Hewitt actually predicts that volume shipments of > > > > Linux - even using Gartner's contested definition of 'shipment' > > > > and 'server' - will mushroom in the next four years. > > > > > > > > Total worldwide Linux deployment will > > > > quadruple from 2.4 million to 9.1 million, predicts Gartner, > > > > with explosive growth in the supercomputer area: up from that > > > > dubious 'zero' this year to over 5000 by 2005. In the $25,000 to > > > > $100,000 range - the
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
I agree. Next time I see this type of post, I am going to DELETE IT! Franki wrote: > > If we all pipe up and say something, microsoft will probably come to all our > houses to check for copies of illegal software... > > like that old 386 with win3.1 that your little sister plays with... > > they know they are gonna lose eventually, how can you beat something that is > not only better, but free?, they are just gonna drag it out as long as > possible by making it seem that linux is not a widespread well used solution > like NT/2000 and the newbies who know no better will buy it for a while > too... for a while.. > > The fact that all computer mags now have big sections on linux should be an > indication of that... > > its a delaying tactic is all... > > don't waste your breath on them, ,they are not worth it.. > > rgds > > Frank > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Romanator > Sent: Friday, 15 June 2001 6:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft > > I bet Microsoft provided a lotta software as a "gift" for writing these > articles. There will be more to come. Many times the writers must ship > the drafts to Microsoft for approval before it goes to print. However, I > wouldn't get alarmed. They are blowing a lot of hot air. > > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > > There have been many rebuttals published to this article all over the > > Internet: aboutlinux.com, linuxtoday.com, lwn.net, and even ZDNet > > itself. Gartner Dataquest's figures (sponsored by Microsoft) are in > > direct contrast to those made by other research companies. IDC, for > > example, gives GNU/Linux a share of about 24%. IDC and others > > recognise that most GNU/Linux installations are not bought > > shrink-wrapped like proprietary OSs are, and that a single copy can be > > used on an unlimited number of computers. > > > > Also, many vendors don't give the option of buying a computer without > > Windows. People are forced to pay for Windows licenses, but when they > > get their computers they wipe the hard drive and install GNU/Linux. As > > the computer is not purchased with GNU/Linux initially installed, it > > is counted as a Windows machine. > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > A story from www.theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html) > > > > > > No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft > > > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco > > > Posted: 13/06/2001 at 11:21 GMT > > > > > > Gartner Dataquest has pegged the proportion of > > > Linux servers shipped in the United States at 8.6 per cent. > > > > > > Gartner analyst Jeffery Hewitt claims that this > > > figure - which includes 'white box' shipments, but excludes server > > > appliances such as Sun's Cobalt range - is dramatically lower than > > > the 20 per cent plus cited by arch rivals IDC. Of that 8.6 per cent, > > > eight per cent is attributed to Red Hat and 0.6 per cent to other > > > distros. > > > > > > The survey is dated May 30, but was made public > > > yesterday. > > > > > > We don't usually hear about analyst surveys from > > > vendors in advance of publication. But yesterday a note dropped in > > > from Microsoft's PR company, Waggener Edstrom. > > > > > > "8.6 per cent is... certainly in line with what > > > we are hearing from our customers and partners," wrote a friendly > > > Wagg-Ed flak. > > > > > > Now there's some dispute over what a 'shipment' > > > actually involves, as NewsForge's Rob 'roblimo' Miller points out in > > > this analysis. And he has a very good point: for example, Gartner > > > pegs Linux shipments in the supercomputer space as 'zero' this year. > > > In fact Linux is well established on commodity parallel clusters at > > > many scientific sites. Many of these were assembled in-house, so a > > > shipment clearly doesn't correlate to a working installation. > > > > > > However, Microsoft's pre-emptive strike may be > > > tactical. Hewitt actually predicts that volume shipments of Linux - > > > even using Gartner's contested definition of 'shipment' and 'server' > > > - will mushroom in the next four years. > > > > > > Total worldwide Linux deployment will quadruple > > > from 2.4 million to 9.1 million, predicts Gartner, with explosive > > > growth in the supercomputer area: up from that dubious 'zero' this > > > year to over 5000 by 2005. In the $25,000 to $100,000 range - the > > > low-end company workhorse - Linux shipments will increase ninefold. > > > In the sub-$5000 space, Linux will grow over six fold. > > > > > > So this may be a case of the Beast getting its > > > retaliation in first. > > > > > > Might be in
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [newbie] What is the kudzu functionin LM8
Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > On Friday 15 June 2001 10:20, I was honoured by a missive from Sridhar > Dhanapalan that said : > > > Someone should really do something about that mail server. > > What about a filter rule that send to Trash anything with "autoreply" in the > subject line ? > > Ron. > -- > When you come to a fork in the road, take it. > (Yogi Berra) > --- http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati --- I agree 100%!! -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
You're looking through rose colored glasses. I think you better look at Microsoft's new policy on what they support. They have dropped support for number of their OSes. I take it you have never worked in an office environment in software programming. Solver wrote: > > I love Microsoft. I respect Bill Gates. Not only they ain't my enemies - > they are my friends. Yes, I like Linux, it's enhanced functionality and > especially stability, but Microsoft were the first to do it. I believe that > they're doing everything the right way. > Also, the monopoly situation is very good for users. You can put your file > on a disk, go to a friend being sure you'll find the same Windows and Word > there. The worst I could imagine is this: > Windows - 40% > Linux - 30% > MacOS - 10% > BeOS - 5% > Solaris - 5% > Other - 5% > Then you would be usnure as to what will you find there. If Linux user, you > had to save both for Linux and Windows formats, and Mac doesn't read these > disks. So, you would need to know specifically where are you going, and what > the PCs are there. Each time I go to repair a PC, I'm almost sure what I'll > see there. > Microsoft are responsible for what they release. They provide the product to > you, and given you buy it legally, they also provide you with support, > updates, etc. You can register at Linux Counter and others, but they won't > give you that support, even though bug reporting is awesome. And, another > thing I love in Linux are the penguins. I love that they're everywhere, and > one of my recompilation jobs will be to put even more penguins on their work > at Linux desktop and applications. They just look cool - nice animals. > > Also, I'd like to add that I hate to buy PC with preinstalled software. When > I got one with preinstalled Windows (what I used then), the first thing I > done was formatting C: and installing it myself. Now I use dual-boot W98, > and Linux Mandrake. If I bought a PC with this dual boot, I'd still run > Partition Magic and wipe it all, to install myself. I don't love when > something is preinstalled. As a PC expert, I want to install everything > myself - even if this is something I never installed. Yes, I did feel unsure > installing Windows for the first time, as I also did installing Linux and > BeOS for the first time. It all passes. > Solver > - Original Message - > From: "Franki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Rules Address for MDK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Romanator" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:12 PM > Subject: RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft > > > If we all pipe up and say something, microsoft will probably come to all > our > > houses to check for copies of illegal software... > > > > like that old 386 with win3.1 that your little sister plays with... > > > > they know they are gonna lose eventually, how can you beat something that > is > > not only better, but free?, they are just gonna drag it out as long as > > possible by making it seem that linux is not a widespread well used > solution > > like NT/2000 and the newbies who know no better will buy it for a while > > too... for a while.. > > > > > > The fact that all computer mags now have big sections on linux should be > an > > indication of that... > > > > > > its a delaying tactic is all... > > > > don't waste your breath on them, ,they are not worth it.. > > > > > > rgds > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Romanator > > Sent: Friday, 15 June 2001 6:44 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft > > > > > > I bet Microsoft provided a lotta software as a "gift" for writing these > > articles. There will be more to come. Many times the writers must ship > > the drafts to Microsoft for approval before it goes to print. However, I > > wouldn't get alarmed. They are blowing a lot of hot air. > > > > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > > > > There have been many rebuttals published to this article all over the > > > Internet: aboutlinux.com, linuxtoday.com, lwn.net, and even ZDNet > > > itself. Gartner Dataquest's figures (sponsored by Microsoft) are in > > > direct contrast to those made by other research companies. IDC, for > > > example, gives GNU/Linux a share of about 24%. IDC and others > > > recognise that most GNU/Linux installations are not bought > > > shrink-wrapped like proprietary OSs are, and that a single copy can be > > > used on an unlimited number of computers. > > > > > > Also, many vendors don't give the option of buying a computer without > > > Windows. People are forced to pay for Windows licenses, but when they > > > get their computers they wipe the hard drive and install GNU/Linux. As > > > the computer is not purchased with GNU/Linux initially installed, it > > > is counted as a Windows machine. > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > A story f
[newbie] Has anyone got a Radeon to work?
If you have a Radeon video card and it works with LM 8 please let me know. I am thoroughly stuck and getting ed off!
[newbie] Problem configuring LM 8
I am having big probs getting LM 8 to work in graphical mode on my system. Gateway 1000 Athlon 128 RAM Radeon SDR 32 Video Gateway Flat Panel Display 1500 I have been trying "expert" install because Auto did not work. When I change the configration some of the changes do not stick Why? On one occasion I got the following error message. Can you tell me what it means? (==) Server Layout "Layout1" (**)-->Screen "screen1"(0) (**)||-->Monitor "Generic/generic LCD Panel 1024 x 768" (**)||-->Device "ATI Radeon" (**)|-->Input device "mouse1 " (**)|-->Input device "Keyboard1" (**)XKB: Rules: "xfree86" (**)XKB: model: "pcl05" (**)XKB: layout: "gb" (**)Fontpath set to "unix/:-1" (**)RgbPath set to "/usr/x11R6/lib/x11/rgb (==)ModulePath set to "/usr/x11R6/lib/modules" (--) using VT number 5 Thanks Cliff Gosden
Re: [newbie] GRUB Question
How do I stop you guys from sending me emails ? I'm domain buyer and after buying the name all email on that domain start coming to me. Now these lists kind of stuff is annoying. and I don't know what domain(email) is it coming from ??? please remove me or I've to do hardwork and find what name is related to linux or grub blah blah... Thanks Lalit Wadhwa (Founder/President) http://www.dotsplash.com --- Alok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Help a newbie with GRUB PLEASE! > > So heres the low-down. I have a dual boot system > with Windows ME, Windows > 2000, and Linux Mandrake. What happens is that when > I turn on my computer > grub pops up and then gives me the option to go to > windows or linux. If I > choose linux it takes me to Linux. If I choose > Windows it takes me to the > Windows boot loader which gives me the folowing > options: Windows ME, Windows > 2000, and Linux Mandrake. So the GRUB screen is > completely useless and > annoying. > > In other words - HOW IN THE HECK DO I STOP GRUB FROM > LOADING?!??!?!? > __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Wow
I think that you have hit on the crux of the problem for Linux...it still requires a fairly high degree of technical proficiency to install and run it. As long as this is the case, MS and MAC will have an advantage in the consumer market. Granted, this platform has come a very long way with the improvements in KDE and Gnome just in the last year, but it is still full of glitches that will hamper it being widely distributed and pre-installed on home machines. For example, I have had a number of problems getting printing to work correctly since I installed LM8. It turns out that I had to go in and change some settings in a cup.conf file to get it even half way reliable. I also have had problems upgrading as the RPM manager does not seem to have a list of update sites except in the security tab. This can be confusing (and still is to me) because when one sees a tab for security, he/she will assume that this is for security related updates only. What if I don't want that kind of update? Where do I get them? Burning CD's is another problem. I have tried to get the two cd burning programs installed by default to burn cds. Gcombust finally has, but I can't get it to make a bootable copy of the install disk 1 for LM8. There is no documentation I can find and the it certainly not self explanatory. My point is that unless one is very competent with OS's, Linux is hard to use and understand. Even when one has been working in the field for 27 years as I have, there is a steep learning curve. For all of Microsoft's problems, their OS works most of the time out of the box and is not that hard for the average consumer to use. There are many sources of help for the non-techie as well as the tech. Classes abound (both for free and for fee) on how to use things such as Word and IE5. ( I know because I am the automation coordinator for a public library system and we offer free classes.) These are hard things for any OS to overcome. Can it be done? Yes, but the platform will have to continue to mature and great emphasis will have to be made on improving and simplifying interfaces and insulating the non-technical user from the internals of the system. Most users will not put up with what I and many others who have posted here for help have had to go through. The difference between them and us is that we have the mindset of not letting the computer win and enough technical know-how to try different things. Perhaps, as world governments and more in business embrace the concepts that Linux is founded upon, and time effort and money are put into simplifying things, then the average consumer will be willing and able to buy into it also. The next couple of years should be interesting, especially considering what MS is doing to combat piracy. << BTW, I am a user who has installed Linux twice. Once about a year ago and then abandoned it because I did not have time to learn it and now, because I wish to get my feet wet into the "Unix" world and because I don't like what MS is getting ready to do with its licensing. They are not intended to bash anybody or anything, but only to honestly express what I feel could hold up the revolution. Before anyone flames me, please let me get my asbestos underwear! Wendell Gragg >From: "Solver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Linux Newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:32:25 +0300 > >Well, for me Linux still is a secondary OS. I'm now going to start doing >office jobs in StarOffice, but as long as I can't get modem to work, I >can't >do Internet stuff. >Also, I have been writing apps for VisualBasic, and continue to do that in >Win. But, I spend an even increasing amount of time in Linux. I'm proud >with >my OS knowledge: >I have perfect knowledge of Windows 3.0, 3.1 and especially 3.11, as well >as >Windows 95 and 98. I know NT series (especially W2K Server), even though I >really hate W2K. I know the very basics of BeOS - at least I can install >it, >install apps under it, and do some little job. I'm familiar with the >Solaris >OS, and am now gaining knowledge of Linux. When I get to interm. user >level, >I'll use my programming knowledge to recompile the source to suit my needs. >Solver >- Original Message - >From: "Tim Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Sridhar Dhanapalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: "Adams, Jamie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Linux List'" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:13 PM >Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > > > > I'm also the kind of person that likes to beat the hell out of a >machine! >One reason why I > > had to get away from Windows. IT couldn't keep up. If a machine can't >handle 8 different > > programs running, it can't keep up with my usual 15-18 *term's running >that I do work on, > > playing small games, email, Mozilla and Netscape running plus w3m. I >don't use KMail and I > >
Re: [newbie] CD DirectoryName with Spaces
Aside from the \ thing, which is absolutely correct, whenever in doubt, just use command line completetion. cd in /mnt/win_c and then type in the first few letters (in this case Arch) and then just push the Tab key. > >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Tyrell wrote: > > > Hello all. > > > > I want to know how to change to a directory with spaces in his name in >the > > console window. For example: > > > > cd /mnt/win_c/Archivos de programa/ > >cd /mnt/win_c/Archivos\ de\ programa/ > >You are using the \ as an ESCAPE to tell the shell to treat that as a >space and not an end of the arguments. > >This goes for special characters too, like the ~ character. The shell will >typically interpret this in other ways so if you try the following > >more ~file > >it may look for user directory named "file", but if you do this > >more \~file it will more the file that has the literal name "~file" > >Albion > >Albion E. Baucom >http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~baucom > > _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
You know another thing that I find a bit irritating is that sometimes the linux folks will ignore an actually good innoviation because it came from MS instead of just accepting that, hey, that was a pretty neat idea. And instead, they will try do think up a variation that doesn't quite work... Sometimes, I wish there was a Linux Corporate Beast -- I wonder what that would be like. What would happen if MS decided to put out a linux distro? I know that it would be bastardized to hell, but I wonder how it would be recieved out in the world. Cause if you think about it, if XP or W2K ran on a linux, most user's wouldn't know it. Imagine compiling MFC code using g++ --- that'd be a hoot! And I wonder what's up with the BeOS folks... they should just come over to the linux side and spruce up things a bit... that'd be really nice... those people know how to design interfaces.
[newbie] GRUB Question
Help a newbie with GRUB PLEASE!So heres the low-down. I have a dual boot system with Windows ME, Windows2000, and Linux Mandrake. What happens is that when I turn on my computergrub pops up and then gives me the option to go to windows or linux. If Ichoose linux it takes me to Linux. If I choose Windows it takes me to theWindows boot loader which gives me the folowing options: Windows ME, Windows2000, and Linux Mandrake. So the GRUB screen is completely useless andannoying.In other words - HOW IN THE HECK DO I STOP GRUB FROM LOADING?!??!?!?
[newbie] Router Help
How do I setup my SMC Barricade 4 Port Router on Linux Mandrake? It worksfine on Windows. I just cant figure out for the life of me how to use it onLinux.Any websites or info will help.-Thanks in advance-Alok
RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
I think we forget that Linux is not a commercial product and Windows is -- consequently, there are different priorities. So it's really a hard to make comparisons. Windows listens instently to what users want as well as tries very very hard to predict what users want (for good and bad). Linux, in generally, doesn't really care as much about the user, and while the community is friendly enough when it comes to support, there is a significant bit of elitism and "stupid user syndrome" to be overcome. Windows will never call a user stupid. It's a classic HCI (Human Computer Interface) issue, which linux in general isn't very interested in a wide scale. HCI interests only resided in pockets sects (like Ximian or KDE), but it's hardly wide spread. But I think this is to be expected. No one makes a significant amount of money from linux, and no one certainly makes any more or less money based on happy linux users. Windows however, makes a ton of money when the users are happy and can get on with their day. A typical average joe/jane user will much rather reboot their window's 5 times a day, than deal with the even the most advanced linux interface currently available today. Windows is a product inteded to generate income; Linux is a hobbist research project (granted a significant and serious project) but never a product to generate income. For me, I cannot get through the day with a total linux solution. I have to be able to VPN from home to work which requires a Windows machine. I have use Outlook for mail, I have to create and exchange MS Office documents, and I have to use IE because none of the companies I work with will optimize for Netscape because it too painful and not worth the effort. I would love to get rid of anything windows but I can't do it yet. And I doubt that I'll be able to even with then next few years. But, believe me I'm very impatient to do so. > -Original Message- > From: Solver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:49 PM > To: Linux Newbie > Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft > > > I love Microsoft. I respect Bill Gates. Not only they ain't > my enemies - > they are my friends. Yes, I like Linux, it's enhanced > functionality and > especially stability, but Microsoft were the first to do it. > I believe that > they're doing everything the right way. > Also, the monopoly situation is very good for users. You can > put your file > on a disk, go to a friend being sure you'll find the same > Windows and Word > there. The worst I could imagine is this: > Windows - 40% > Linux - 30% > MacOS - 10% > BeOS - 5% > Solaris - 5% > Other - 5% > Then you would be usnure as to what will you find there. If > Linux user, you > had to save both for Linux and Windows formats, and Mac > doesn't read these > disks. So, you would need to know specifically where are you > going, and what > the PCs are there. Each time I go to repair a PC, I'm almost > sure what I'll > see there. > Microsoft are responsible for what they release. They provide > the product to > you, and given you buy it legally, they also provide you with support, > updates, etc. You can register at Linux Counter and others, > but they won't > give you that support, even though bug reporting is awesome. > And, another > thing I love in Linux are the penguins. I love that they're > everywhere, and > one of my recompilation jobs will be to put even more > penguins on their work > at Linux desktop and applications. They just look cool - nice animals. > > Also, I'd like to add that I hate to buy PC with preinstalled > software. When > I got one with preinstalled Windows (what I used then), the > first thing I > done was formatting C: and installing it myself. Now I use > dual-boot W98, > and Linux Mandrake. If I bought a PC with this dual boot, I'd > still run > Partition Magic and wipe it all, to install myself. I don't love when > something is preinstalled. As a PC expert, I want to install > everything > myself - even if this is something I never installed. Yes, I > did feel unsure > installing Windows for the first time, as I also did > installing Linux and > BeOS for the first time. It all passes. > Solver >
[newbie] Calendar making program
Is anyone aware of a program for Linux that can do calendar designs? My wife wants to design a calendar for her Daytimer and can't find much in the Windoze world. I was hoping there might be something in open source that would do the job. Might even win a convert:-) Thanks, Michael
Re: [newbie] LM8.0 boots to console mode only.
On Friday 15 June 2001 10:34, Charles Darcy wrote: > Hi, > > I've lately installed LM8.0 and had it running well for > the last month. > > The only problem I've had is Sawfish crashing > periodically. I think this may be linked to the Desk Guide > applet, which crashed at the same time Sawfish dies. I've been > able to continue by restarting Sawfish. The problem occured > about once a week, until last night, when it happened several > times. > > This morning when I booted Linux, I was presented with the > non-graphical console login screen, instead of the usual > graphical login. I thought the X server might be the problem, > so I tried to start it manually with 'startx', which gave the > following messages: > > FontTransSocketUNIXConnect: can't connect: errno = 2 > failed to set default font path 'unix/:-1 > fatal server error: could not open default font > 'fixed'. > > I'm afraid I'm too new to Linux to know what to do to fix > this problem, so I very much appreciate advice from anyone as > to how to fix it. As a very last resort I guess I could try > re-installing LM8.0, but its taken me weeks to get my > development environment nicely setup, and I would hate to have > to do it over again. > > > regards, > > Charlie. Errr! The problem took out the fontserver. There is a way to recover, but considering your status, I think it might be less than educational to try. Back up your data, reinstall, and go grab the mandrake_desk update. You can find it by clicking on www.linux-mandrake.com the banner at the top of the page that says "security". Now as for your development environment, when you install, do expert and go to individual package selection and click the button at the bottom that says "flat list" to assure your packages are all installed properly, then pick them out. You can save time against doing this _again_ by clicking on "Advanced" when you reach the congratulations statement and making an auto-install floppy. If you have a separate /home partition, don't format it and most of your config info will be intact. Civileme
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
> on a disk, go to a friend being sure you'll find the same Windows and Word > there. The worst I could imagine is this: Not every one will have Word, of course. And he might have a different version of Windows. There are some differences between the versions, but they don't really impact this situation. Of course, there are different versions of Word, and that may impose a problem. At least with Linux, I have a better chance at getting my data read, especially if it came from another Unix system. It's kind of hard to stick a 4mm DAT into a Windows box and have anything read. > Windows - 40% > Linux - 30% > MacOS - 10% > BeOS - 5% > Solaris - 5% > Other - 5% If you're referring to servers, I don't think the percentages are close. I would suspect that Solaris, HP_UX, and other versions of Unix up around the 40% range if not more. NT probably has some good showing as well. BeOS is not really used at all, and MacOS is probably nonexistent. > the PCs are there. Each time I go to repair a PC, I'm almost sure what I'll > see there. Cross-linked clusters, broken FATs, etc. :) Things have improved somewhat, but I remember tech support stories where the support people had to do keystroke edit sessions by voice to the client because the only editor they could assume that was on the system was 'edlin'. Nowadays, you could assume Windows users generally have Notepad. But you simply can'[ make that same assumption about Word. And back in the DOS days, almost every person's setup was different. > Also, I'd like to add that I hate to buy PC with preinstalled software. When > I got one with preinstalled Windows (what I used then), the first thing I Don't buy PCs. Assemble them from known parts that work well with each other. > Solver David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. ---
Re: [newbie] telnetscript
Paul wrote: >>Hello! >> >>I want to write a script that makes telnet to log in and send some commands >> >>How do I do? >> > > Hi Magnus, > > I think redirecting would work: > > your script could be > > open your-host-name-here > command1 > command2 > command3 > exit > > and then you simply do > > telnet < scriptname > > I can't check the validity here, but I do the same with FTP. > Paul > > > Why not just use rsh? This is what it's made to do. Ric
[newbie] Need to change GRUB boot loader default opsys
Hi - I want to change the order of the operating systems in GRUB. I want to make another operating system the default when the system starts up. Any ideas? Can it be done from anywhere else outside of Linux too? (can I edit it somehow from dos, etc.) I have LM7.2. Thanks! Jason winmail.dat
Re: [newbie] Super Newbie
To start, I suggest that you start installing programs and packages from the console.
You
start to really learn the system and where things go as well as being able to add new
things to new programs/packages.
But using the Mandrake Package Manager that's in Mandrake 8, is another means of doing
so.
If you're using KDE as your Desktop envirnment, there is an ICON on your desktop for
it.
As soon as you click the ICON it should ask you for your root passwd. You must be
root to
install global applications in Linux.
Once you have the program up you can open the package by either searching for it,
which it
will search the CDs for the program and then try and install it from there. Or you
could
open the file itself and install it that way. It should go through and do everything.
But if that doesn't work, open an *term of your choice and then try and install it.
First su to root.
[timh@r2d2 timh]$ su -
Password:
[root@r2d2 /root]#
Once you're root, find where you put your RPM file.
[root@r2d2 installed]# ls -la aim-1.1.112-1.i386.rpm
-rw-r--r--1 timh timh 759499 Apr 24 02:02 aim-1.1.112-1.i386.rpm
>From there run your rpm command. I, and most others use rpm -ivh to then install the
package. The i is for install, the v is for verbose, and the h is for hash.
[root@r2d2 installed]# rpm -ivh aim-1.1.112-1.i386.rpm
aim ###
[root@r2d2 installed]#
>From there your app is installed.
Once you have it installed, you may have to configure the program. Such is the case
with
OpenS*. (OpenSSH or OpenSSL.) The config files for OpenSSH are located in /etc/ssh
[root@r2d2 /root]# cd /etc/ssh/
[root@r2d2 ssh]# ls -la
total 68
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Jun 14 19:17 ./
drwxr-xr-x 59 root root 4096 Jun 15 11:42 ../
-rw-r--r--1 root root26287 Apr 13 10:02 primes
-rw-r--r--1 root root 1200 Apr 13 10:02 ssh_config
-rw---1 root root 668 Jun 14 19:17 ssh_host_dsa_key
-rw-r--r--1 root root 590 Jun 14 19:17 ssh_host_dsa_key.pub
-rw---1 root root 515 Jun 14 19:17 ssh_host_key
-rw-r--r--1 root root 319 Jun 14 19:17 ssh_host_key.pub
-rw---1 root root 887 Jun 14 19:17 ssh_host_rsa_key
-rw-r--r--1 root root 210 Jun 14 19:17 ssh_host_rsa_key.pub
-rw---1 root root 1689 Apr 13 10:02 sshd_config
The only files you really will mess with here are ssh_config and sshd_config.
ssh_config
is for the client, sshd_config is for the server.
Normally the "out of the box" configs will do the job, but there may be some things you
might want to add. For example, you may want to add something in /etc/ssh_config if
you
plan on using X Forwarding.
Host *
ForwardAgent yes
ForwardX11 yes
Cipher blowfish
TransmitInterlude 100
StrictHostKeyChecking no
/etc/sshd_config is normally just fine the way it is. Unless you want to turn on
banners,
which some people like doing, personally I can't stand it.
Once you've done that, or made the changes, restart the server and you should be all
set.
[root@r2d2 ssh]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd
Usage: sshd {start|stop|restart|status|condrestart}
Run that command with the restart option to restart the daemon.
[root@r2d2 ssh]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd restart
Shutting down sshd: [ OK ]
Starting sshd: [ OK ]
>From there you should be good to go. Give those suggestions a try and let us know
>how it
goes.
tdh
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Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
Yes, Windows is unstable. But, there's one big big big good thing about it that will remain, till Linux changes dramatically. An average, or lower, user, assuming he has got kowledge of English, can install Windows without trouble, easily install apps under it, click start, point to programs and Microsoft Word. I've dealt with a good many users. And many amaze me with their simplicity. OK, the installs for Linux are getting better and better (e.g. Corel Linux has a very simple one), and DrakX also is good at Mandrake, but I wonder if a rawest user would like going to a terminal (hey, where can I find it? Where is it? Help me!!), type make being in the right folder (what is that folder, how do I get there, and where do I type), after that see if it performed correctly (how do I know it?), and type make install. Once, when I was instructing a user to type DOS commands, I didn't say open the MS-DOS prompt. I just said: Type the following commands: cd \windows copy user.dat \backup copy user.da0 \backup defrag ... And, when nothing worked I was suprised. Turned out that user typed it all in Word... And I can never imagine users like this installing Linux apps and compiling sources. Solver - Original Message - From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft > There are several other news sites that also have information on this > review by Gartner. And they all focus on the fact that the review is > sponsored by Microsoft. > I am positive that this is just another attempt from Microsoft to convince > " the rest of the world " that there is no life outside their windows. > Which apparently is a very narrow viewpoint. > > The best thing to do is talk about linux and let the people that listen > know that it works. And that it is better in stability than windows. > That there are lots of applications that can pretty well compete with the > windows counterpart (Wordperfect, K-Word, Abiword, Gnumeric, K-spread, > GNU-cash etc.) > > Word of mouth helps. > > Paul > > > I was wondering what we can do as Linux users? Do we sit on the > > sidelines and do nothing? > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > A story from www.theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html) > > > > > > No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft > > > >
Re: [newbie] insmod
I hace an IBM 600 TP that has an ACP (Winmodem). I downloaded a driver for it and my instructions were as follows: ./configure make all make install insmod mwavedd (this loads mwavem.o) setserial /dev/ttyS1 autoconfig ./mwavem You might want to try the setserial command and see if the helps? Mine works great and I did a small script to load it at start-up. Good luck! Michael On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, you wrote: > > I've downloaded what seems to be drivers for my Winmodem, kernel version > 2.2.x and newer. I have 2.4 kernel. I executed the command listed in > readme: unpacked it, created links to /dev/ttyS15 and /dev/modem . BTW, > it's fun to do command without even understanding why and how they work. > Well, that's for future. And, the last command I had to make was insmod > pctel.o to activate the modem. As I had a more recent Kernel version, I > used insmod -f pctel.o , to make Linux overlook the kernel differences. > However, it filled screen with messages about unsolved symbol: pctel.o: > unresolved symbol SOMETHING_HERE , and so some dozen lines. Why is this > happening? Now I'm just one command away (hopefully) from activating my > modem. Honestly, probably the best solution is to give this modem to a two > year old, and buy a new one :D. Solver Content-Type: text/html; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description:
Re: [newbie] Wow
Well, for me Linux still is a secondary OS. I'm now going to start doing office jobs in StarOffice, but as long as I can't get modem to work, I can't do Internet stuff. Also, I have been writing apps for VisualBasic, and continue to do that in Win. But, I spend an even increasing amount of time in Linux. I'm proud with my OS knowledge: I have perfect knowledge of Windows 3.0, 3.1 and especially 3.11, as well as Windows 95 and 98. I know NT series (especially W2K Server), even though I really hate W2K. I know the very basics of BeOS - at least I can install it, install apps under it, and do some little job. I'm familiar with the Solaris OS, and am now gaining knowledge of Linux. When I get to interm. user level, I'll use my programming knowledge to recompile the source to suit my needs. Solver - Original Message - From: "Tim Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Sridhar Dhanapalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Adams, Jamie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Linux List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > I'm also the kind of person that likes to beat the hell out of a machine! One reason why I > had to get away from Windows. IT couldn't keep up. If a machine can't handle 8 different > programs running, it can't keep up with my usual 15-18 *term's running that I do work on, > playing small games, email, Mozilla and Netscape running plus w3m. I don't use KMail and I > do a lot of things via console, but I run tons of apps on a regular basis. > > I can't stand GNOME, and I KDE uses up too many valuable processes I could be using on > something else! :0) So I use Enlightenment with a rather small theme. That way I can have > 36 "desktops" to do the billions of things I like to do. > > I'm running on a Duron 850, which is going to be upgraded to a T-Bird 1.2 to use the 266 > FSB on my Motherboard. I have 256 MG RAM, and 50 GB of disk space in that machine I > believe. A 20 GB and a 30 GB. > > But my previous P2 400 w/ 256 MG RAM took the load pretty well. Not as well as this > machine, but it took the beating. My only problems were in KDE and having KDE apps die on > me. > > tdh > > > > T. Holmes > - > UNIXTECHS.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > "Real Men Us Vi!" > > > | I guess it really depends on what you do with your system. I like to > | push mine right to its limits, running stuff like Windows in VMware > | (which is reasonably usable) and having several different web browsers > | open on a GNOME desktop. I've noticed that KDE and especially IceWM > | are faster than GNOME, but I find that GNOME suits my needs better > | (nothing can compare to Sawfish and the GNOME Panel :-) > | > | > | On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26, Adams, Jamie wrote: > | > I dont know why you lot should be chuggin'. Im using a Toshiba > | > Satellite 2520CDT (AMD K62-300) with 64mb ram and a 4.1gig HDD, > | > everything runs perfectly on mine, much faster than 98 did! no > | > complaints here.. -- > | > Jamie Adams > | > Housing Assistant > | > > | > 41 Castle Road > | > SCARBOROUGH > | > North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ > | > > | > Tel: (01723) 507543 > | > Fax: (01723) 355862 > | > > | > >-- > | > > | > From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > | > > | > >Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > >Sent: 15 June 2001 07:33 > | > >To: Jay needs a Guinness; Linux List > | > >Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > | > > > | > >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: > | > >> You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix > | > >> 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me > | > >> PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new > | > >> computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse > | > >> to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. > | > > > | > >If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was > | > >absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts > | > > a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but > | > > it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like > | > > Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. > | > > > | > >I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, > | > >Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at > | > > the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a > | > > nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in > | > > Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on > | > > Linux at > | > >http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. > | > | -- > | Sridhar Dhanapalan. > | "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: > | LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." > | -- Jeremy S. Anderson > | > -- > >
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
I love Microsoft. I respect Bill Gates. Not only they ain't my enemies - they are my friends. Yes, I like Linux, it's enhanced functionality and especially stability, but Microsoft were the first to do it. I believe that they're doing everything the right way. Also, the monopoly situation is very good for users. You can put your file on a disk, go to a friend being sure you'll find the same Windows and Word there. The worst I could imagine is this: Windows - 40% Linux - 30% MacOS - 10% BeOS - 5% Solaris - 5% Other - 5% Then you would be usnure as to what will you find there. If Linux user, you had to save both for Linux and Windows formats, and Mac doesn't read these disks. So, you would need to know specifically where are you going, and what the PCs are there. Each time I go to repair a PC, I'm almost sure what I'll see there. Microsoft are responsible for what they release. They provide the product to you, and given you buy it legally, they also provide you with support, updates, etc. You can register at Linux Counter and others, but they won't give you that support, even though bug reporting is awesome. And, another thing I love in Linux are the penguins. I love that they're everywhere, and one of my recompilation jobs will be to put even more penguins on their work at Linux desktop and applications. They just look cool - nice animals. Also, I'd like to add that I hate to buy PC with preinstalled software. When I got one with preinstalled Windows (what I used then), the first thing I done was formatting C: and installing it myself. Now I use dual-boot W98, and Linux Mandrake. If I bought a PC with this dual boot, I'd still run Partition Magic and wipe it all, to install myself. I don't love when something is preinstalled. As a PC expert, I want to install everything myself - even if this is something I never installed. Yes, I did feel unsure installing Windows for the first time, as I also did installing Linux and BeOS for the first time. It all passes. Solver - Original Message - From: "Franki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Rules Address for MDK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Romanator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft > If we all pipe up and say something, microsoft will probably come to all our > houses to check for copies of illegal software... > > like that old 386 with win3.1 that your little sister plays with... > > they know they are gonna lose eventually, how can you beat something that is > not only better, but free?, they are just gonna drag it out as long as > possible by making it seem that linux is not a widespread well used solution > like NT/2000 and the newbies who know no better will buy it for a while > too... for a while.. > > > The fact that all computer mags now have big sections on linux should be an > indication of that... > > > its a delaying tactic is all... > > don't waste your breath on them, ,they are not worth it.. > > > rgds > > Frank > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Romanator > Sent: Friday, 15 June 2001 6:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft > > > I bet Microsoft provided a lotta software as a "gift" for writing these > articles. There will be more to come. Many times the writers must ship > the drafts to Microsoft for approval before it goes to print. However, I > wouldn't get alarmed. They are blowing a lot of hot air. > > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > > There have been many rebuttals published to this article all over the > > Internet: aboutlinux.com, linuxtoday.com, lwn.net, and even ZDNet > > itself. Gartner Dataquest's figures (sponsored by Microsoft) are in > > direct contrast to those made by other research companies. IDC, for > > example, gives GNU/Linux a share of about 24%. IDC and others > > recognise that most GNU/Linux installations are not bought > > shrink-wrapped like proprietary OSs are, and that a single copy can be > > used on an unlimited number of computers. > > > > Also, many vendors don't give the option of buying a computer without > > Windows. People are forced to pay for Windows licenses, but when they > > get their computers they wipe the hard drive and install GNU/Linux. As > > the computer is not purchased with GNU/Linux initially installed, it > > is counted as a Windows machine. > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > A story from www.theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html) > > > > > > No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft > > > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco > > > Posted: 13/06/2001 at 11:21 GMT > > > > > > Gartner Dataquest has pegged the proportion of > > > Linux servers shipped in the United States at 8.6 per cent. > > > > > > Gartner analyst Jeffery Hewitt c
Re: [newbie] Wow
KDE sucks was my first thought when I first ran Linux, almost a year ago. Even though for a very short time. Love GNOME - it looks better, love the Panel, even though, I mostly either use StarrOffice, or sit neck deep in a terminal. Solver - Original Message - From: "Sridhar Dhanapalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Adams, Jamie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Linux List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > I guess it really depends on what you do with your system. I like to > push mine right to its limits, running stuff like Windows in VMware > (which is reasonably usable) and having several different web browsers > open on a GNOME desktop. I've noticed that KDE and especially IceWM > are faster than GNOME, but I find that GNOME suits my needs better > (nothing can compare to Sawfish and the GNOME Panel :-) > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26, Adams, Jamie wrote: > > I dont know why you lot should be chuggin'. Im using a Toshiba > > Satellite 2520CDT (AMD K62-300) with 64mb ram and a 4.1gig HDD, > > everything runs perfectly on mine, much faster than 98 did! no > > complaints here.. -- > > Jamie Adams > > Housing Assistant > > > > 41 Castle Road > > SCARBOROUGH > > North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ > > > > Tel: (01723) 507543 > > Fax: (01723) 355862 > > > > >-- > > > > From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: 15 June 2001 07:33 > > >To: Jay needs a Guinness; Linux List > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > > > > > >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: > > >> You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix > > >> 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me > > >> PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new > > >> computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse > > >> to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. > > > > > >If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was > > >absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts > > > a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but > > > it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like > > > Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. > > > > > >I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, > > >Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at > > > the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a > > > nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in > > > Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on > > > Linux at > > >http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. > > -- > Sridhar Dhanapalan. > "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: > LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." > -- Jeremy S. Anderson > >
Re: [newbie] Wow
Scream or buy his PC. Solver - Original Message - From: "Sridhar Dhanapalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > Lucky dog! > > If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an excellent > job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 (albeit with 256MB > of RAM). > > Next time you play a game, think of us poor underprivileged saps who > aren't fortunate to have a brand-spanking-new state-of-the-art > computer :-) > > Let your conscience eat away at you until all you want to do is > SCREAM > > Have fun! :-) > > P.S. MWAhahahahahahaha > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13, Paul wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Just got the new pc in. 1.2Ghz Athlon and 256 megs. I started part > > of the Linux MDK 8 install, just to see if the ATA100 Maxtors (2 x > > 30Gb) would be detected. Well... they are. And man, is that machine > > FLYING!! > > > > Happy me, next weekend there's something to PLAY!! :-) > > > > Paul > > -- > Sridhar Dhanapalan. > It's okay to be paranoid when they ARE all after you. > >
Re: [newbie] Wow
Gm. Running a machine that was something amazing when bought, but nothing spectacular now, not being upgraded since then - 466MHz, 64 RAM, 9 Gb HDD, 6 years old monitor (just love that one), 32 MB video RAM. As there's only one game I really play much, and this isn't like Quake, which takes resources, I can live with this. For development, this is thus far enough, at least in Windows. When I work on Linux Kernel, will probably want to add another 64 MB to my RAM. Solver - Original Message - From: "Sridhar Dhanapalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jay needs a Guinness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Linux List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: > > You are chugging?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix > > 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me PC > > is horribly obsolete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new > > computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse to > > buy Win ever again, and I miss Macs. > > If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was > absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts a > long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but it's > *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like Konqueror > with anti-aliased fonts. > > I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, > Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at the > beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a nifty app > (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in Linux! If you're > interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on Linux at > http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. > > -- > Sridhar Dhanapalan. > "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: > LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." > -- Jeremy S. Anderson > >
[newbie] Promise Fasttrack100 Raid Card and LM8
Dear all, can somebody help me to get my Fasttrack100 Ultra ATA/100 Raid Card working under Mandrake 8? I have installed LM8 but cannot see my Raid drives at all. Harddrake says unknown device. The Promise Technology, Inc website describes how to do it under Red Hat 6.2 but I am stuck. Any comments welcome. Thanks Norman
[newbie] GeForce TV OUT
I have managed to successfully install the drivers (the latest ones from nvidia) for my GeForce 256 card. But would like to know how to enable to TV-Out facility. On the nvidia website it said to refer to a TVOUT readme file. I haven't been able to find this though! Cheers. Jamie _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.0
Su 31 May 2001 14:32:38 +0200, Roma Vinas ha scritto: > Hola, > > Estoy interesado en comprar el nuevo Linux Mandrake 8.0, y me gustaria saber si todo >el paquete esta disponible completamente en espanol. > > Gracias. > Si, esta disponible in muchos lenguas, incluido espanol. Corrado
[newbie] Sendmail weirdness after 7.2 to 8.0 upgrade
I recently upgraded from 7.2 to 8.0. Generally went smoothly but I have a problem that SHOULD be easy to fix but, obviously, I have not been able to resolve. My server name is mail.myName.com. I have have set Sendmail to accept mail for myName.com so I can have email addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Simple huh? Well everything was fine under 7.2. For some reason now I cant get the same after my 8.0 upgrade. What am I missing? Any suggestions? THis newbie would be very appreciative. **
Re: [newbie] LM8.0 boots to console mode only.
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:34, Charles Darcy wrote: > Hi, > > I've lately installed LM8.0 and had it running well for the last > month. > > The only problem I've had is Sawfish crashing periodically. I > think this may be linked to the Desk Guide applet, which crashed at > the same time Sawfish dies. I've been able to continue by restarting > Sawfish. The problem occured about once a week, until last night, > when it happened several times. Hmmm... I thought I was the only one with that problem. I found that the problem for me was with the version of GTK+ that comes with GNOME 1.4 (1.2.10). Here's how I solved it: 1. In a root console, I uninstalled libgtk+1.2, libgtk+1.2-devel, and gtk-engines. $ rpm -e --nodeps libgtk+1.2 libgtk+1.2-devel gtk-engines 2. I got the equivalent packages from my Mandrake 7.2 CD-ROM (gtk+, gtk+-devel, and gtk-engines). If you don't have a 7.2 CD handy, you can have a look on Mandrake download mirrors (there's a list of them at http://www.linux-mandrake.com) or on http://www.rpmfind.net. You can even use packages from Helix/Ximian GNOME 1.2 (not the latest 1.4). These will have a similar name but will have "mdk_helix" somewhere in the filename. 3. I put these packages in their own directory (so they wouldn't get mixed up with other files) and installed them. $ rpm -Uvh *.rpm I have been going like this ever since Mandrake 8.0 was released, and I have not had a single problem. 4. If you use the below solution to fix X, you'll have to do the above again. > This morning when I booted Linux, I was presented with the > non-graphical console login screen, instead of the usual graphical > login. I thought the X server might be the problem, so I tried to > start it manually with 'startx', which gave the following messages: > > FontTransSocketUNIXConnect: can't connect: errno = 2 > failed to set default font path 'unix/:-1 > fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'. Usually when I get this error it means the X font server (xfs) has crashed. > I'm afraid I'm too new to Linux to know what to do to fix this > problem, so I very much appreciate advice from anyone as to how to > fix it. As a very last resort I guess I could try re-installing > LM8.0, but its taken me weeks to get my development environment > nicely setup, and I would hate to have to do it over again. The one time I got this error and it wasn't a problem with xfs, I first tried running DrakConf from a console. There is an X configuration option there. I finally managed to fix the problem with the 'sledgehammer' approach (after trying everything else I could think of first, of course). I'm sure there *is* a proper way to fix it, but I couldn't find it. Note that this should *only* be an option of last-resort: 1. From a root console (you need to be root to use RPM, $ rpm -qa |grep XFree86 2. Uninstall the resulting files using the --nodeps tag. 3. Pop your first Mandrake CD in and reboot. When the installer (Drakx) asks if you want to upgrade or install, choose install. When you get to DiskDrake, mount your drives as they were before, but don't format anything. When it comes to installing packages, uncheck whatever you can. Go through the rest of the install without changing anything from what it was before. If you can get X working in Drakx (towards the end of it), then you should be fine. Reboot and all should be well. 4. You should have been able to keep most of your old settings with this method. You may need to run userdrake (as root) to verify all the user settings are correct. 5. If you had used my solution to fix GTK+ (above), then you'll have to do it again. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
[newbie] xcdroast question
X-RebelTech Is Here: www.rebeltech.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i am trying to setup xcdroast. i installed all the packages suggested by that mandrake email newsletter. everything installed ok. i can get all the status on my drive and such so i think the hardware end is ok. i did the suggested (by xcdroast) chown and chmod for the persmissions and ownership, but then i run xcdroast i get "GTK warning: this process is currently running as setuid or setgid. this is not a supported use of GTK+. you must create a helper program" i have fooled around with different permissions, but i can't get anywhere. anyone seen this? anyone have a suggestion? many thanks, moose.
[newbie] xcdroast question
X-RebelTech Is Here: www.rebeltech.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i am trying to setup xcdroast. i installed all the packages suggested by that mandrake email newsletter. everything installed ok. i can get all the status on my drive and such so i think the hardware end is ok. i did the suggested (by xcdroast) chown and chmod for the persmissions and ownership, but then i run xcdroast i get "GTK warning: this process is currently running as setuid or setgid. this is not a supported use of GTK+. you must create a helper program" i have fooled around with different permissions, but i can't get anywhere. anyone seen this? anyone have a suggestion? many thanks, moose.
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [newbie] What is the kudzu function in LM8
On Friday 15 June 2001 10:20, I was honoured by a missive from Sridhar Dhanapalan that said : > Someone should really do something about that mail server. What about a filter rule that send to Trash anything with "autoreply" in the subject line ? Ron. -- When you come to a fork in the road, take it. (Yogi Berra) --- http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati ---
[newbie] Re: [expert] how can I tell when computer shutoff due to power failure?
On Thursday 14 June 2001 11:24, I was honoured by a missive from Rusty Carruth that said : > brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have 2 MDK8.0 PC's that were shutoff when I came in yesterday morning. > > I never turn them off and suspect that a power failure was responsible. > > Is there anyway to tell what time they were shutoff? What about a nice simple high-tech solution: Add as root a cron job that runs every minute and puts the date in a file, by adding to crontab the line: * * * * * date > ~/date And a line in your init file (/etc/rc.d/rcsysinit) a line cp ~/date ~/lastdate You should then get at each new boottime a copy, in ~/lastdate, of the last ~/date file written before the crash. And Bob's your Uncle. Only drawback: the _huge_ CPU/HD load caused by the cron job ;-) Cheers, Ron the Frog, on the banks of the Paraguay River. -- Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away. -- --- http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati ---
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [newbie] What is the kudzu function in LM8
Roman, I just received the same "Out of Office AutoReply" message from "Bravard, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> that you got earlier -- TWICE! YAY!!! Someone should really do something about that mail server. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] run an aplication
Try these links: http://www.freedos.org http://www.dosemu.org On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:11, Enrique Bejarano wrote: > I wanna ask you if I could run an aplication made for > DOS in linux-mandrake. > > This aplication was made of in foxpro and I have an > exe version made of in visual foxpro > > or can I use a program who can run my aplication in > linux-mandrake? > > Please answer me as soon as you can > > thanks -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
This parallels the cold war...it's all propaganda aimed at the commercial users in a way that would allay their fears that big biz is spending a lot of money on something that more saavy folks are getting for close to nothing. Let there be no mistake about it...Linux is quickly becoming a very real and formidable threat to the livelihood of the Redmond folks and I think their back is up against the wall. The latest news that was spun from that Propaganda machine in Redmond is just the evidence that points to the fact that tensions are running high and the end may be looming over the horizon. Let's face it, MS simply isn't used to having a competitor in its territory and they are responding accordingly! Response to: Subj: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft Date: 6/15/2001 8:00:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lanman) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mandrake Newbie) Dear List; In response to this latest garbage from Microsoft, and having a pretty good understanding of their standard FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) policy, I can see why you might think that this latest attack on Linux deserves a response. However, having also attended the LinuxExpo Montreal during the last 2 days, I'd like to suggest that you hold off for a few months. Several new technologies were announced at this Expo that will soon have a throat-choking effect on Steve, Bill and the Redmond Boys. A few companies that appeared to be their allies, have been ticked off enough to begin their own counter-attacks. Some of these will come in the form of new OPEN SOURCE software from unexpected places which will revolutionize the server/cluster industry, and some from old friends in the Linux industry that will quite simply kick the hot air out of Microsoft. The gloves are off. And there's gonna be a fight. Unfortunately, It's a gunfight, and Microsoft will be bringing a pea-shooter. All we have to do is respond with the truth, and let the big boys duke it out. Like the man said, "In the end, there can be only one" ! I know for a fact that Microsoft won't be left standing when the smoke clears! Dan
Re: [newbie] Wow
On Thursday 14 June 2001 21:33, I was honoured by a missive from Sridhar Dhanapalan that said : > If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an excellent > job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 (albeit with 256MB > of RAM). You lucky br ! I am just now fighting with a 66 MHz K6, 96 Mo RAM ;-( Cheers, Ron the Frog, breaking the tenth command on the banks of the Paraguay River. -- Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away. -- --- http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati ---
Re: [newbie] change hostname
You can also use the hostname command. Just type hostname That will do the trick as well. That's what I've used in FreeBSD. Since there's no Linuxconf to use that I know of, and I don't have X installed to find another GUI. tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Real Men Us Vi!" | How do I change the hostname that is set during startup | (localhost.localdomain)? The hostname command changes it, but at startup it | is always set back to localhost.localdomain during boot. | | -Noah Richards | --
[newbie] insmod
I've downloaded what seems to be drivers for my Winmodem, kernel version 2.2.x and newer. I have 2.4 kernel. I executed the command listed in readme: unpacked it, created links to /dev/ttyS15 and /dev/modem . BTW, it's fun to do command without even understanding why and how they work. Well, that's for future. And, the last command I had to make was insmod pctel.o to activate the modem. As I had a more recent Kernel version, I used insmod -f pctel.o , to make Linux overlook the kernel differences. However, it filled screen with messages about unsolved symbol: pctel.o: unresolved symbol SOMETHING_HERE , and so some dozen lines. Why is this happening? Now I'm just one command away (hopefully) from activating my modem. Honestly, probably the best solution is to give this modem to a two year old, and buy a new one :D. Solver
[newbie] LM8.0 boots to console mode only.
Hi, I've lately installed LM8.0 and had it running well for the last month. The only problem I've had is Sawfish crashing periodically. I think this may be linked to the Desk Guide applet, which crashed at the same time Sawfish dies. I've been able to continue by restarting Sawfish. The problem occured about once a week, until last night, when it happened several times. This morning when I booted Linux, I was presented with the non-graphical console login screen, instead of the usual graphical login. I thought the X server might be the problem, so I tried to start it manually with 'startx', which gave the following messages: FontTransSocketUNIXConnect: can't connect: errno = 2 failed to set default font path 'unix/:-1 fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'. I'm afraid I'm too new to Linux to know what to do to fix this problem, so I very much appreciate advice from anyone as to how to fix it. As a very last resort I guess I could try re-installing LM8.0, but its taken me weeks to get my development environment nicely setup, and I would hate to have to do it over again. regards, Charlie.
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:34, Mr S Ganesan wrote: > Windows and MacOS are relying on the fact that once your box is > loaded with it there is nothing to stop them from dictating terms. > In India, the Govt is encouraging Linux in all its departments and > we shall soon see over 50 percent of Govt machines using Linux!!! This brings up a very interesting development. It is the those with low incomes that are really adopting GNU/Linux. This includes those in developing nations. Those in richer regions like the US and the EU can afford the exhorbitant fees that M$ charge. Many of these people already have computers loaded with Windows, so they are already accustomed to the "Microsoft Way" (incidentally, did you know M$'s address in Redmond is "One Microsoft Way"?). They will be reluctant to change to another OS. On the other hand, most people in poorer nations have never used a computer, and so have fresh minds - ready to adopt whatever they can afford to use. GNU/Linux is perfect here due to its low cost and flexibility. Argentina and Brazil are pushing to use GNU/Linux in a big way, both from the ground-up in the form in grassroots policies and from the top-down in the form of official governmental policy. The Brazilian government is developing a low-cost GNU/Linux-based computer with Internet access for the poor. The Brazilian and Argentinian governments are looking into using GNU/Linux at all levels instead of Windows. Microsoft's crackdown on piracy has hastened this, since many government departments actively pirate software, and so would be liable for huge fines if found guilty. In China, the government is actively promoting their own distro: Red Flag Linux. One interesting thing about this is that the company that makes it is run by (Chinese President) Jiang Zemin's son. The Chinese are keen to end their reliance on American products. In India, GNU/Linux is being adopted all over the place, helped by the high technical literacy in places like Bangalore. There is an excellent effort to create a new type of computer for the poor: a "Simputer" (http://www.simputer.org). I suggest you all have a look, it is an amazing piece of work (read: I want one!!!). It is about the size of a Palm (slightly bigger), but much more powerful and much cheaper. All software is GPLed, including the Graffiti-like handwriting language. Likewise, the hardware itself has an open GPL-like license. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "HTML needs a rant tag." -- Eric S. Raymond
Re: [newbie] kups paper size...
Do you have a third-party firewall going? The Mandrake and Bastille firewalls should be okay, but others may block the page (which loads off your own system (localhost). Try replacing "localhost" in the URL to your actual hostname. You can type "hostname" at a terminal to find out what it is. Use Netscape as your browser, just to make sure. I get "Connection refused" whenever I try to use Konqueror, but Netscape and Opera deal with it well. If this still doesn't work, then perhaps you don't have a loopback interface installed. Try typing /sbin/ifconfig lo at a terminal. If you get nothing then you need to configure a loopback device. On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:44, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Friday 15 June 2001 02:36, I was honoured by a missive from > Sridhar > > Dhanapalan that said : > > Try pointing your browser to http://localhost:631/ and configuring > > your printer from there. > > When I do this, even as root, I get an error screen > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access the resource on this server. > > HLP! > > Ron -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
[newbie] Perl
I have created Perl programs on a FreeBSD machine and want to run them on LM 8.0. How would I do this?
[newbie] run an aplication
I wanna ask you if I could run an aplication made for DOS in linux-mandrake. This aplication was made of in foxpro and I have an exe version made of in visual foxpro or can I use a program who can run my aplication in linux-mandrake? Please answer me as soon as you can thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Wow
On Friday 15 June 2001 00:59, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: > -- Forwarded Message -- > Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:58:59 -0400 > From: Jay needs a Guinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Thursday 14 June 2001 09:33 pm, you wrote: > > Lucky dog! > > > > If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an > > excellent job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II > > 350 (albeit with 256MB of RAM). > > > > Next time you play a game, think of us poor underprivileged > > saps who aren't fortunate to have a brand-spanking-new > > state-of-the-art computer :-) > > > > Let your conscience eat away at you until all you want to do > > is SCREAM > > > > Have fun! :-) > > > > P.S. MWAhahahahahahaha > > You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a > Cyrix 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard > drive. Me PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint > you all, the new computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac > with OS X. I refuse to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss > Macs. Heeheehee, and now MACs may run LM ;-) Civileme
Re: [newbie] Wow
I'd like to get in on a piece of that myself .. :-) Terry On Friday 15 June 2001 02:51, you wrote: > "11th"?! > > "just laying around doing basicaly nothing!"?! > > I've got one word for you: > > BEOWULF!!! > > Either that or you could just save the trouble and pass me one :-) > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:19, h3rb wrote: > > Damn..I feel for ya. I had a 1.2g tbird/512pc133 about 7 months > > ago. I am now awaiting the palimino so I can go dual palimino's > > with UW2 scsi! (of course the 1.2 will turn into my 11th linux > > server that is just laying around doing basicaly nothing!) > > > > h3rb > > > > On Thursday 14 June 2001 21:33, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > Lucky dog! > > > > > > If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an > > > excellent job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 > > > (albeit with 256MB of RAM). > > > > > > Next time you play a game, think of us poor underprivileged saps > > > who aren't fortunate to have a brand-spanking-new state-of-the-art > > > computer :-) > > > > > > Let your conscience eat away at you until all you want to do is > > > SCREAM > > > > > > Have fun! :-) > > > > > > P.S. MWAhahahahahahaha > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13, Paul wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Just got the new pc in. 1.2Ghz Athlon and 256 megs. I started > > > > part of the Linux MDK 8 install, just to see if the ATA100 > > > > Maxtors (2 x 30Gb) would be detected. Well... they are. And man, > > > > is that machine FLYING!! > > > > > > > > Happy me, next weekend there's something to PLAY!! :-) > > > > > > > > Paul
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
The idea of a "gift" is not uncommon in the media. Often, the "journalist" will get to keep the item they are reviewing if they write something favourable. I heard a few years ago that Sony was giving away PlayStations to anyone in the media who said something good about the console, even just in passing. This was informal; they wouldn't tell people "say something nice about us and we'll give you a PlayStation". Instead they would reward those who said good things out of the blue. This meant there was no "bribe" as such, but "journalists" and presenters were encouraged to evangelise the PlayStation in the hope of getting one from Sony. For a software company, this is especially easy. A pressed CD only costs a few cents nowadays (when mass-produced, of course). When M$ donates software to schools and charities, they can say "we donated XX million dollars worth of software" when the cost to them was only a few bucks. They aren't losing potential customers by giving the software away, since these non-profit organisations couldn't have afforded it anyway. On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:43, Romanator wrote: > I bet Microsoft provided a lotta software as a "gift" for writing > these articles. There will be more to come. Many times the writers > must ship the drafts to Microsoft for approval before it goes to > print. However, I wouldn't get alarmed. They are blowing a lot of > hot air. > > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > There have been many rebuttals published to this article all over > > the Internet: aboutlinux.com, linuxtoday.com, lwn.net, and even > > ZDNet itself. Gartner Dataquest's figures (sponsored by Microsoft) > > are in direct contrast to those made by other research companies. > > IDC, for example, gives GNU/Linux a share of about 24%. IDC and > > others recognise that most GNU/Linux installations are not bought > > shrink-wrapped like proprietary OSs are, and that a single copy > > can be used on an unlimited number of computers. > > > > Also, many vendors don't give the option of buying a computer > > without Windows. People are forced to pay for Windows licenses, > > but when they get their computers they wipe the hard drive and > > install GNU/Linux. As the computer is not purchased with GNU/Linux > > initially installed, it is counted as a Windows machine. > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > A story from www.theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html) > > > > > > No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft > > > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco > > > Posted: 13/06/2001 at 11:21 GMT > > > > > > Gartner Dataquest has pegged the proportion > > > of Linux servers shipped in the United States at 8.6 per cent. > > > > > > Gartner analyst Jeffery Hewitt claims that > > > this figure - which includes 'white box' shipments, but excludes > > > server appliances such as Sun's Cobalt range - is dramatically > > > lower than the 20 per cent plus cited by arch rivals IDC. Of > > > that 8.6 per cent, eight per cent is attributed to Red Hat and > > > 0.6 per cent to other distros. > > > > > > The survey is dated May 30, but was made > > > public yesterday. > > > > > > We don't usually hear about analyst surveys > > > from vendors in advance of publication. But yesterday a note > > > dropped in from Microsoft's PR company, Waggener Edstrom. > > > > > > "8.6 per cent is... certainly in line with > > > what we are hearing from our customers and partners," wrote a > > > friendly Wagg-Ed flak. > > > > > > Now there's some dispute over what a > > > 'shipment' actually involves, as NewsForge's Rob 'roblimo' > > > Miller points out in this analysis. And he has a very good > > > point: for example, Gartner pegs Linux shipments in the > > > supercomputer space as 'zero' this year. In fact Linux is well > > > established on commodity parallel clusters at many scientific > > > sites. Many of these were assembled in-house, so a shipment > > > clearly doesn't correlate to a working installation. > > > > > > However, Microsoft's pre-emptive strike may > > > be tactical. Hewitt actually predicts that volume shipments of > > > Linux - even using Gartner's contested definition of 'shipment' > > > and 'server' - will mushroom in the next four years. > > > > > > Total worldwide Linux deployment will > > > quadruple from 2.4 million to 9.1 million, predicts Gartner, > > > with explosive growth in the supercomputer area: up from that > > > dubious 'zero' this year to over 5000 by 2005. In the $25,000 to > > > $100,000 range - the low-end company workhorse - Linux shipments > > > will increase ninefold. In the sub-$5000 space, Linux will grow > > > over six fold. > > > > > > So this may be a case of the Beast getting > > > its reta
RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
If we all pipe up and say something, microsoft will probably come to all our houses to check for copies of illegal software... like that old 386 with win3.1 that your little sister plays with... they know they are gonna lose eventually, how can you beat something that is not only better, but free?, they are just gonna drag it out as long as possible by making it seem that linux is not a widespread well used solution like NT/2000 and the newbies who know no better will buy it for a while too... for a while.. The fact that all computer mags now have big sections on linux should be an indication of that... its a delaying tactic is all... don't waste your breath on them, ,they are not worth it.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Romanator Sent: Friday, 15 June 2001 6:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft I bet Microsoft provided a lotta software as a "gift" for writing these articles. There will be more to come. Many times the writers must ship the drafts to Microsoft for approval before it goes to print. However, I wouldn't get alarmed. They are blowing a lot of hot air. Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > There have been many rebuttals published to this article all over the > Internet: aboutlinux.com, linuxtoday.com, lwn.net, and even ZDNet > itself. Gartner Dataquest's figures (sponsored by Microsoft) are in > direct contrast to those made by other research companies. IDC, for > example, gives GNU/Linux a share of about 24%. IDC and others > recognise that most GNU/Linux installations are not bought > shrink-wrapped like proprietary OSs are, and that a single copy can be > used on an unlimited number of computers. > > Also, many vendors don't give the option of buying a computer without > Windows. People are forced to pay for Windows licenses, but when they > get their computers they wipe the hard drive and install GNU/Linux. As > the computer is not purchased with GNU/Linux initially installed, it > is counted as a Windows machine. > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > A story from www.theregister.co.uk: > > > > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html) > > > > No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft > > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco > > Posted: 13/06/2001 at 11:21 GMT > > > > Gartner Dataquest has pegged the proportion of > > Linux servers shipped in the United States at 8.6 per cent. > > > > Gartner analyst Jeffery Hewitt claims that this > > figure - which includes 'white box' shipments, but excludes server > > appliances such as Sun's Cobalt range - is dramatically lower than > > the 20 per cent plus cited by arch rivals IDC. Of that 8.6 per cent, > > eight per cent is attributed to Red Hat and 0.6 per cent to other > > distros. > > > > The survey is dated May 30, but was made public > > yesterday. > > > > We don't usually hear about analyst surveys from > > vendors in advance of publication. But yesterday a note dropped in > > from Microsoft's PR company, Waggener Edstrom. > > > > "8.6 per cent is... certainly in line with what > > we are hearing from our customers and partners," wrote a friendly > > Wagg-Ed flak. > > > > Now there's some dispute over what a 'shipment' > > actually involves, as NewsForge's Rob 'roblimo' Miller points out in > > this analysis. And he has a very good point: for example, Gartner > > pegs Linux shipments in the supercomputer space as 'zero' this year. > > In fact Linux is well established on commodity parallel clusters at > > many scientific sites. Many of these were assembled in-house, so a > > shipment clearly doesn't correlate to a working installation. > > > > However, Microsoft's pre-emptive strike may be > > tactical. Hewitt actually predicts that volume shipments of Linux - > > even using Gartner's contested definition of 'shipment' and 'server' > > - will mushroom in the next four years. > > > > Total worldwide Linux deployment will quadruple > > from 2.4 million to 9.1 million, predicts Gartner, with explosive > > growth in the supercomputer area: up from that dubious 'zero' this > > year to over 5000 by 2005. In the $25,000 to $100,000 range - the > > low-end company workhorse - Linux shipments will increase ninefold. > > In the sub-$5000 space, Linux will grow over six fold. > > > > So this may be a case of the Beast getting its > > retaliation in first. > > > > Might be interesting to know :-) > > Paul > > -- > Sridhar Dhanapalan. > "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: > LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." > -- Jeremy S. Anderson -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By T
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
Dear List; In response to this latest garbage from Microsoft, and having a pretty good understanding of their standard FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) policy, I can see why you might think that this latest attack on Linux deserves a response. However, having also attended the LinuxExpo Montreal during the last 2 days, I'd like to suggest that you hold off for a few months. Several new technologies were announced at this Expo that will soon have a throat-choking effect on Steve, Bill and the Redmond Boys. A few companies that appeared to be their allies, have been ticked off enough to begin their own counter-attacks. Some of these will come in the form of new OPEN SOURCE software from unexpected places which will revolutionize the server/cluster industry, and some from old friends in the Linux industry that will quite simply kick the hot air out of Microsoft. The gloves are off. And there's gonna be a fight. Unfortunately, It's a gunfight, and Microsoft will be bringing a pea-shooter. All we have to do is respond with the truth, and let the big boys duke it out. Like the man said, "In the end, there can be only one" ! I know for a fact that Microsoft won't be left standing when the smoke clears! Dan
RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
Windows and MacOS are relying on the fact that once your box is loaded with it there is nothing to stop them from dictating terms. In India, the Govt is encouraging Linux in all its departments and we shall soon see over 50 percent of Govt machines using Linux!!! -- S.Ganesan Senior Scientist Central Institute of Agricultural Engineering Berasia Road Bhopal 462038, INDIA Phone: 0755-730986 (O) 0755-732105 (R) Fax:0755-734016 Email<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Web Address:http://www.ciae.nic.in
Re: [newbie] Wow
I guess it really depends on what you do with your system. I like to push mine right to its limits, running stuff like Windows in VMware (which is reasonably usable) and having several different web browsers open on a GNOME desktop. I've noticed that KDE and especially IceWM are faster than GNOME, but I find that GNOME suits my needs better (nothing can compare to Sawfish and the GNOME Panel :-) On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26, Adams, Jamie wrote: > I dont know why you lot should be chuggin'. Im using a Toshiba > Satellite 2520CDT (AMD K62-300) with 64mb ram and a 4.1gig HDD, > everything runs perfectly on mine, much faster than 98 did! no > complaints here.. -- > Jamie Adams > Housing Assistant > > 41 Castle Road > SCARBOROUGH > North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ > > Tel: (01723) 507543 > Fax: (01723) 355862 > > >-- > > From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >Reply To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent:15 June 2001 07:33 > >To: Jay needs a Guinness; Linux List > >Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow > > > >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: > >> You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix > >> 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me > >> PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new > >> computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse > >> to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. > > > >If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was > >absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts > > a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but > > it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like > > Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. > > > >I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, > >Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at > > the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a > > nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in > > Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on > > Linux at > >http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] DVD Question
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:43, Edward Barrow wrote: > On Friday, June 15, 2001 7:15 AM, h3rb [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > > What is a CSS-encrypted DVD? > > > > Cryptanalysis of Contents Scrambling System > > CSS is a scrambling system used in the distribution for movies on > > DVD ( Digital Versatile Disc ) a high capacity CD like storage > > system. > > Its > > > main purpose is to prevent the unauthorized duplication of disc > > contents. This is achieved through encrypting the files, and > > storing keys in > > hardware. > > Its primary purpose at this stage in the evolution of the medium is > in fact to enforce the regional encoding system on DVDs; until > DVD-writers become widespread or network bandwidth increases by a > further order of magnitude, the risk of illegal duplication is > fairly small. > Hollywood insists on being able to stage the release of movie titles > in different formats in different parts of the world as part of its > strategy of reinforcing US cultural imperialism Not only that, they make $$$ by charging more outside the US. I know the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) is looking at forcing the media industry to allow non region-endoded DVD players. That way, DVDs can be imported (legally) from anywhere in the world and played in Australia. This, the ACCC argues, would create more competition and hence make prices lower for the consumer. Apparently there is a version of Xine out there that has DeCSS built in, allowing you to play encrypted DVDs. SInce it's illegal in the US, you'll have to look very hard to find it. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
[newbie] SAMBA and CUPS
Just upgraded from LM7.0 to LM8.0 (reinstalled). My Linux box is a server to win98 and W2k clients so I have setup SAMBA. All worked well under LM7.0 but under 8.0 I cannot get my printer to work. In LM7 I used printtools to configure the printer, this is no longer available in 8.0 (I don't think) so I used CUPS, which seems vastly superior anyway. The question is how do I get SAMBA to see a CUPS configured printer. Mark Lucas
RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
On Friday, June 15, 2001 12:07 PM, Paul [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > There are several other news sites that also have information on this > review by Gartner. And they all focus on the fact that the review is > sponsored by Microsoft. > I am positive that this is just another attempt from Microsoft to convince > " the rest of the world " that there is no life outside their windows. > Which apparently is a very narrow viewpoint. > I think the people Microsoft is trying to convince are the commercial software vendors. Windoze still has a slight edge over Linux in the availability of business software, although with developments such as KOffice and Open Office the gap in the office applications suite sector is closing fast. They want to make sure that developers produce applications for Windoze first, or don't bother porting applications to the Linux platform. Pity for microsoft then that it's made so many enemies in that market with its assimilate and destroy strategy
Re: [newbie] telnetscript
> Hello! > > I want to write a script that makes telnet to log in and send some commands > > How do I do? Hi Magnus, I think redirecting would work: your script could be open your-host-name-here command1 command2 command3 exit and then you simply do telnet < scriptname I can't check the validity here, but I do the same with FTP. Paul
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
There are several other news sites that also have information on this review by Gartner. And they all focus on the fact that the review is sponsored by Microsoft. I am positive that this is just another attempt from Microsoft to convince " the rest of the world " that there is no life outside their windows. Which apparently is a very narrow viewpoint. The best thing to do is talk about linux and let the people that listen know that it works. And that it is better in stability than windows. That there are lots of applications that can pretty well compete with the windows counterpart (Wordperfect, K-Word, Abiword, Gnumeric, K-spread, GNU-cash etc.) Word of mouth helps. Paul > I was wondering what we can do as Linux users? Do we sit on the > sidelines and do nothing? > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > A story from www.theregister.co.uk: > > > > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html) > > > > No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft
RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
I think this is good news for Linux users. I am a fairly new user to Linux, ive been using it for the last 8 months or so. At first when i told people that i no longer used windows people laughed, but i find now that more people are interested to hear what Linux is about. The figures are stated below, although negative from Gartner Dataquest do not corralate to figures from other sources. How many people here have got their distro's from magazines or downloaded them from the internet? I bet these figures are not included in the statistics. With the recent advances in KDE and Gnome, Linux truly is becoming an alternative (and superior) to windows, it has always had the advantage on the server side, but i always found the desktop a little lacking, this is now not so. I would think that Microsoft should be getting a little worried by now that their monopoly maybe about to be crippled, maybe its finally time for the little linux people? Jamie -- Jamie Adams Housing Assistant 41 Castle Road SCARBOROUGH North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 >-- >From: Romanator[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 15 June 2001 11:33 >To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft > >I was wondering what we can do as Linux users? Do we sit on the >sidelines and do nothing? > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> A story from www.theregister.co.uk: >> >> (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html) >> >> No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft >> By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco >> Posted: 13/06/2001 at 11:21 GMT >> >> Gartner Dataquest has pegged the proportion of Linux >>servers >> shipped in the United States at 8.6 per cent. >> >> Gartner analyst Jeffery Hewitt claims that this figure >>- which includes >> 'white box' shipments, but excludes server appliances >>such as Sun's >> Cobalt range - is dramatically lower than the 20 per >>cent plus cited >> by arch rivals IDC. Of that 8.6 per cent, eight per >>cent is attributed to >> Red Hat and 0.6 per cent to other distros. >> >> The survey is dated May 30, but was made public >>yesterday. >> >> We don't usually hear about analyst surveys from >>vendors in advance >> of publication. But yesterday a note dropped in from >>Microsoft's PR >> company, Waggener Edstrom. >> >> "8.6 per cent is... certainly in line with what we are >>hearing from our >> customers and partners," wrote a friendly Wagg-Ed flak. >> >> Now there's some dispute over what a 'shipment' >>actually involves, >> as NewsForge's Rob 'roblimo' Miller points out in this >>analysis. And >> he has a very good point: for example, Gartner pegs >>Linux >> shipments in the supercomputer space as 'zero' this >>year. In fact >> Linux is well established on commodity parallel >>clusters at many >> scientific sites. Many of these were assembled >>in-house, so a >> shipment clearly doesn't correlate to a working >>installation. >> >> However, Microsoft's pre-emptive strike may be >>tactical. Hewitt >> actually predicts that volume shipments of Linux - even >>using >> Gartner's contested definition of 'shipment' and >>'server' - will >> mushroom in the next four years. >> >> Total worldwide Linux deployment will quadruple from >>2.4 million to >> 9.1 million, predicts Gartner, with explosive growth in >>the >> supercomputer area: up from that dubious 'zero' this >>year to over >> 5000 by 2005. In the $25,000 to $100,000 range - the >>low-end >> company workhorse - Linux shipments will increase >>ninefold. In the >> sub-$5000 space, Linux will grow over six fold. >> >> So this may be a case of the Beast getting its >>retaliation in first. >> >> Might be interesting to know :-) >> Paul > > >_ >This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet >delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further >information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call >01285 884400. > _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternative
