Re: [newbie] means of administrating mandrake

2005-04-05 Thread Mr. Geek
Greg Meyer wrote:
On Monday 04 April 2005 05:22 pm, Mr. Geek wrote:
Isaak, Get your hands on the latest version of webmin at
www.webmin.com

I thought that Mandrake changed the location of so much stuff that the default 
webmin was basically unusable for server administration.  Am I wrong about 
that?
Yup, You're mistaken. If you're already running webmin, simply 
un-install it from the system it's on, making sure you delete the 
/etc/webmin and usr/libexec/webmin folders afterwards, and proceed with 
a normal install of the latest version.

For whatever reason, Jamie Cameron has changed the default location of 
most of the webmin components, placing almost everything in the 
/usr/libexec/webmin folder and has done away with the use of the 
/etc/webmin folder.

Other than that, it runs like a champ.
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Re: [newbie] To su or not to su

2005-04-05 Thread Derek Jennings
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 01:57, Robert Yu wrote:
 If I try to install a WIndows program with Wine, should I su to root
 before doing so?

NO 

Read the documentation at http://www.winehq.org
to learn how to install Windows programs.

http://www.frankscorner.org/  can help you get some specific Windows apps 
working.

Alternatively pay for a commercial version of Wine from
www.codeweavers.com  or www.transgaming.com if you do not want to work out all 
the problems yourself.

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Re: [newbie] Firewall for allowing ports selectively

2005-04-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 01:11, Bryan Phinney wrote:

 So, when someone suggests that a Linux app be coded to provide the same
 false sense of security to users, when there are myriad choices of real
 firewalls as well as methods to lock the system down that are not trivially
 bypassed, some of us simply don't take the suggestion seriously.

I think what people really want is something like a dialogue box on any 
dial-out from an application that gives the option of

this session
always
never

so that they can block automatic dial outs but allow genuine ones.  So far 
many people have said that iptables rules should be used, but no-one has 
actually shown that it can be done - at least they hadn't up to last night.  
I haven't finished reading this morning.

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[newbie] XF86Config settings for LG Studioworks 700S

2005-04-05 Thread WauloK
Hi.

I'm trying to set up my XF86Config.
I've tried entering the data from a Modelines generator website, but
it doesn't seem to be using the entered info.
If I look at the OSD of the monitor at the moment it says:
44.1kHz / 55.0Hz
It's in 1152x864

The Horizontal Freq range: 30 - 70
The Vertical Freq range: 50 - 160

The Modeline I got from the generator is:
Modeline [EMAIL PROTECTED] 111.72 1152 1184 1608 1640 864 880 891 908
The website I got the info from says my Pixel clock is 110MHz but the
generator suggested 111.72
If I just use the Control Panel to set the resolution to 1024x768 and
I start up, it's running at 70Hz. The maximum freq is 85Hz in this
mode (confirmed in XP).
If I use the default Modelines as Mandrake created when I installed it
and run at 1152x864 I get about 70Hz when the maximum is 75Hz.

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Re: [newbie] Firewall for allowing ports selectively

2005-04-05 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 04:49, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 01:11, Bryan Phinney wrote:
  So, when someone suggests that a Linux app be coded to provide the same
  false sense of security to users, when there are myriad choices of real
  firewalls as well as methods to lock the system down that are not
  trivially bypassed, some of us simply don't take the suggestion
  seriously.

 I think what people really want is something like a dialogue box on any
 dial-out from an application that gives the option of

 this session
 always
 never

 so that they can block automatic dial outs but allow genuine ones.  

An app that knows the difference between these two things?  That's not asking 
for much now, is it?  If I could build such a thing, nobody on this group 
could afford it, Cisco and the other router manufacturers would be in a 
bidding war to buy it for themselves.

 So far 
 many people have said that iptables rules should be used, but no-one has
 actually shown that it can be done - at least they hadn't up to last night.
 I haven't finished reading this morning.

This has really been covered previously, Anne.  If you, as a user, can 
allow/deny packets, then a rogue process that you installed on your machine 
can do the same thing for its own packets.  It need merely know HOW to do so.  
If you have a single personal firewall-like app for Linux, that problem is 
solved.  If you install such an app and count on it to protect you from 
insecure software, you are living in a fool's paradise.

Again, I don't have any problem with someone coding this, nor with running it, 
I simply don't see the point.  It is Windows dressing, nothing more.
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[newbie] KDE /K3B problem

2005-04-05 Thread Russell Butler
Hello all
I have Mandrake 10.1 on 2.6.8.1-12mdk win4Lin kernel
installed (dual boot with Win) and mostly use KDE. since a recent 
re-install I had been using the graphical login page, and I noted that 
it would not retain the faces settings.

Trying to run k3b I would end up with a zombie process stalled at 
finding CD burner.

I have upgraded KDE to 3.3, and when I first started, could open MCC. 
Then I tried to run k3b setup with :
[EMAIL PROTECTED] russellb]# ps ax |grep k3b
 7606 ?Ds 0:01 kcmshell k3bsetup2

Running mcc from an su console gives a splash screen and another defunct 
program

[EMAIL PROTECTED] russellb]# ps ax |grep drak
 9044 pts/3D  0:01 /usr/bin/perl /usr/sbin/drakconf.real
I will have to reboot to kill the zombies, but can anyone advise me how 
to enable k3b, and minimise the risk of recurrences?

Thanks
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Re: [newbie] Firewall for allowing ports selectively

2005-04-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 11:13, Bryan Phinney wrote:
 
  I think what people really want is something like a dialogue box on any
  dial-out from an application that gives the option of
 
  this session
  always
  never
 
  so that they can block automatic dial outs but allow genuine ones.

 An app that knows the difference between these two things?  That's not
 asking for much now, is it?  If I could build such a thing, nobody on this
 group could afford it, Cisco and the other router manufacturers would be in
 a bidding war to buy it for themselves.

No, a user that knows the difference.

 If you, as a user, can
 allow/deny packets, then a rogue process that you installed on your machine
 can do the same thing for its own packets.  It need merely know HOW to do
 so. 

That sounds a valid point, to me.

 If you have a single personal firewall-like app for Linux, that problem 
 is solved.  If you install such an app and count on it to protect you from
 insecure software, you are living in a fool's paradise.

 Again, I don't have any problem with someone coding this, nor with running
 it, I simply don't see the point.  It is Windows dressing, nothing more.

I don't think so.  I accept that it is not good control, but the alternative 
seems to be complete absence of control.  If an application needs to reach 
out to get data, as Acrobat Reader does, then it has to have that ability, 
and I see no reason why it could not equally well send out packets.  Perhaps 
that's because I don't understand firewalling deeply enough, but the 
discussions on both lists are not explaining the things we need to 
understand, like this point.

The problem is that security is a huge subject.  People who need to understand 
security for their business invest a great deal of time in learning it well, 
but for users that need only to protect themselves from a few things they see 
as threats while getting on with their real need there is no easy way to get 
an overview of the subject.  We don't need the same level of security, 
really, though obviously it would be nice, but this isn't utopia.  Frankly, 
the issue that started the discussion on Expert, that of Acrobat Reader being 
capable of telling an author who is reading his work, doesn't worry me 
personally.  I'm just concerned that we are being told to either invest the 
time that a professional would, or 'take a running jump' - not that you would 
be so rude :-)

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Re: [newbie] KDE /K3B problem

2005-04-05 Thread Derek Jennings
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 11:16, Russell Butler wrote:
 Hello all

 I have Mandrake 10.1 on 2.6.8.1-12mdk win4Lin kernel
 installed (dual boot with Win) and mostly use KDE. since a recent
 re-install I had been using the graphical login page, and I noted that
 it would not retain the faces settings.

Mandrake Control Centre SystemDisplay Manager
Select the 'KDM' display Manager

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Re: [newbie] Firewall for allowing ports selectively

2005-04-05 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 06:26, Anne Wilson wrote:

  An app that knows the difference between these two things?  That's not
  asking for much now, is it?  If I could build such a thing, nobody on
  this group could afford it, Cisco and the other router manufacturers
  would be in a bidding war to buy it for themselves.

 No, a user that knows the difference.

Should have been more clear here.  Two scenarios, first a user that has access 
which I covered below, second, an app that can do it at root level without 
user access which I was pointing out is quite a stretch.

  If you have a single personal firewall-like app for Linux, that problem
  is solved.  If you install such an app and count on it to protect you
  from insecure software, you are living in a fool's paradise.
 
  Again, I don't have any problem with someone coding this, nor with
  running it, I simply don't see the point.  It is Windows dressing,
  nothing more.

 I don't think so.  I accept that it is not good control, but the
 alternative seems to be complete absence of control.  If an application
 needs to reach out to get data, as Acrobat Reader does, then it has to have
 that ability, and I see no reason why it could not equally well send out
 packets.  Perhaps that's because I don't understand firewalling deeply
 enough, but the discussions on both lists are not explaining the things we
 need to understand, like this point.

Well, let's cover that really quickly.  If Acroread is only being used to 
access local data, it needs no Internet access at all.  Thus, you could 
firewall it off and still use it.  However, as I understand things, it 
integrates into a browser and may actually pull the pdf file itself.  
Assuming that is the functionality you want, there is an outgoing request to 
pull the data from the web, and then incoming packets that contain the pdf 
file.  You could probably block posts which is what is being suggested, but 
this implies an intimate knowledge of the workings of the app, knowing what 
to block versus accept.  Given the audience for this, I think that assumes 
entirely too much.

Also, if Acroread is really using embedded javascript/java for this type of 
thing, it is possible that someone can code the web bug such that 
communication is sent on a port other than port 80 and well above what would 
be considered a security area that fits within the first 1024 ports.  Again, 
this requires some type of intimate knowledge of what is being done and thus 
what needs to be blocked.

If you want local access to pdf's only, then use an OS pdf viewer.  

What is much more likely to happen is that Acroread will request access to 
pull the pdf, the user will click allow and then Acroread will yank the pdf 
and then try to send a web bug to the source and since it has already been 
given permission, it will send its data.  Another scenario is that the user 
will click Allow for get and then deny for second Post attempt in which case, 
perhaps the PDF will not display which will cause the user to click Allow for 
the second and the web but goes out.

The only point that I can see that is possibly valid is the idea of having a 
firewall to block heretofore unknown requests from apps that should not need 
network access.  Things like the spyware and adware apps that are bundled 
with other apps.  However, again, I would point out that if you go around 
installing untrusted apps on your machine, I don't think that any personal 
firewall-like app is going to salvage your security.  You will be 
compromised.  Just as so many Windows users are compromised even though they 
have personal firewalls installed.

 The problem is that security is a huge subject.  People who need to
 understand security for their business invest a great deal of time in
 learning it well, but for users that need only to protect themselves from a
 few things they see as threats while getting on with their real need there
 is no easy way to get an overview of the subject.  We don't need the same
 level of security, really, though obviously it would be nice, but this
 isn't utopia.  

There are trade-offs to everything.  If you tighten things down too much, a 
platform becomes nearly unusable for certain things.  For instance, locking 
down a web server makes it an unsuitable platform for development, or 
building applications.  If you lock down your desktop to the level that it is 
impossible for any local app to communicate out, you are going to likely end 
up with either a nightmare administration scenario or an unusable desktop.  

I still truly feel that this discussion is misplaced.  Someone wants to run an 
app they don't trust and they want a second app to protect them from the 
first.  The premise is faulty, the real solution is to not run untrusted 
apps.

For example, Internet Explorer is a bad browser for a lot of reasons but one 
of which is that it allows ActiveX applications to run without user 
interaction or approval.  Acroread sounds 

Re: [newbie] XF86Config settings for LG Studioworks 700S

2005-04-05 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 19:26, WauloK wrote:
 Hi.
 
 I'm trying to set up my XF86Config.
 I've tried entering the data from a Modelines generator website, but
 it doesn't seem to be using the entered info.
 If I look at the OSD of the monitor at the moment it says:
 44.1kHz / 55.0Hz
 It's in 1152x864
 
 The Horizontal Freq range: 30 - 70
 The Vertical Freq range: 50 - 160
 
 The Modeline I got from the generator is:
 Modeline [EMAIL PROTECTED] 111.72 1152 1184 1608 1640 864 880 891 908
 The website I got the info from says my Pixel clock is 110MHz but the
 generator suggested 111.72
 If I just use the Control Panel to set the resolution to 1024x768 and
 I start up, it's running at 70Hz. The maximum freq is 85Hz in this
 mode (confirmed in XP).
 If I use the default Modelines as Mandrake created when I installed it
 and run at 1152x864 I get about 70Hz when the maximum is 75Hz.
 
 Any cluebats?

I had thought that either vern or moonie resolved this issue in
##mandrake this afternoon - reckon not, eh?

Have you tried to manually edit the /etc/X11/XF86Conf to initiate these
changes?

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Re: [newbie] XF86Config settings for LG Studioworks 700S

2005-04-05 Thread riccardo
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 10:59 am, Stephen Khn mentioned:
  The Horizontal Freq range: 30 - 70
  The Vertical Freq range: 50 - 160
  Any cluebats?
__

 ~ maybe FrameBuffer mode helps?

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Re: [newbie] Firewall for allowing ports selectively

2005-04-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 11:57, Bryan Phinney wrote:

 Well, I did suggest that they pay someone to develop such an app as I
 didn't think that there would be a big Linux audience for it.  (The fact
 that there is not a current project for such a thing, to my knowledge,
 would tend to bear that out.)  However, I don't think that suggestion is so
 much rude as simply realistic.

Thank you, Bryan.  Your exposition of what actually happens, and would be 
likely to happen in a variety of situations is just what is needed to help us 
understand the issues.  Personally I'm not terribly worried by this, and I 
quite take the point that if it is really necessary for someone they can buy 
the expertise.  What I was really referring to was the constant RTFM in that 
thread, when, according to your exposition, that does not really address the 
issue.

As I said, thanks for making things much more clear.

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Re: [newbie] KDE /K3B problem

2005-04-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 11:33, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Tuesday 05 April 2005 11:16, Russell Butler wrote:
  Hello all
 
  I have Mandrake 10.1 on 2.6.8.1-12mdk win4Lin kernel
  installed (dual boot with Win) and mostly use KDE. since a recent
  re-install I had been using the graphical login page, and I noted that
  it would not retain the faces settings.

 Mandrake Control Centre SystemDisplay Manager
 Select the 'KDM' display Manager

Also, IIRC the 'faces' settings were not maintained for me until I adjusted 
them in kcontrol  System  User Accounts  Probably a combination of the two 
are needed.

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[newbie] Acrobat Reader 7

2005-04-05 Thread Pablo Ortuzar
Hello,

Since I installed Acrobat Reader 7, KGhostView no longer works (hangs 
forever). I've just downloaded KPDF: doesn't work either (*very* strange 
characters). Has anyone had the same problem?
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Re: [newbie] Acrobat Reader 7

2005-04-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 12:38, Pablo Ortuzar wrote:
 Hello,

 Since I installed Acrobat Reader 7, KGhostView no longer works (hangs
 forever). I've just downloaded KPDF: doesn't work either (*very* strange
 characters). Has anyone had the same problem?

I haven't heard people complaining that kpdf doesn't work, but I have heard 
about font problems - apparently something to do with substitutions.  You may 
find it worth while searching the kde-linux mailing list archives for the 
thread Kpdf and Acrobat Reader differ regarding fonts?

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[newbie] Mandriva

2005-04-05 Thread Josenildo Marques
It seems our favourite distro is going to change its name to _Mandriva_
(i.e., Mandrake+Conectiva), according to an article I have just read.
The article says Mandrake bought the domains Mandriva.com and
Mandriva.net. Conectiva bought the domain mandriva.com.br

And the latest newsletter says Mandrake is going to incorporate
elements of technology from Conectiva, particularly in the area of the
smart package management software and some of Conectiva's kernel
enhancements.
I think that means apt-get...

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Re: [newbie] Acrobat Reader 7

2005-04-05 Thread Q.H. Wang
I don't find any problem with KghostView after installing AR 7.0. It wroks as 
good as it used to. How did you install your AR 7.0? I just downloaded the 
RPM from adobe.com and made no other effort to install it.

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[newbie] Re: KDE /K3B problem

2005-04-05 Thread Russell Butler
Derek Jennings wrote:
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 11:16, Russell Butler wrote:
Hello all
I have Mandrake 10.1 on 2.6.8.1-12mdk win4Lin kernel
installed (dual boot with Win) and mostly use KDE. since a recent
re-install I had been using the graphical login page, and I noted that
it would not retain the faces settings.
Mandrake Control Centre SystemDisplay Manager
Select the 'KDM' display Manager
derek
Thanks for the suggestion Derek, but still the same behaviour.
Is there any way to edit an .rc file or something, or at least debug 
what is happening?

I am not entirely a newbie, but have not learnt my way around debugging.
k3b --help doesn't seem to offer a verbose mode and no help from k3bsetup.
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Re: [newbie] Acrobat Reader 7

2005-04-05 Thread Miark
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:38:36 +0200, Pablo wrote:

 Since I installed Acrobat Reader 7, KGhostView no longer works
 (hangs forever). I've just downloaded KPDF: doesn't work either
 (*very* strange characters). Has anyone had the same problem?

No problems here.

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Re: [newbie] Re: KDE /K3B problem

2005-04-05 Thread Derek Jennings
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 13:59, Russell Butler wrote:
 Derek Jennings wrote:
  On Tuesday 05 April 2005 11:16, Russell Butler wrote:
 Hello all
 
 I have Mandrake 10.1 on 2.6.8.1-12mdk win4Lin kernel
 installed (dual boot with Win) and mostly use KDE. since a recent
 re-install I had been using the graphical login page, and I noted that
 it would not retain the faces settings.
 
  Mandrake Control Centre SystemDisplay Manager
  Select the 'KDM' display Manager
 
  derek

 Thanks for the suggestion Derek, but still the same behaviour.

 Is there any way to edit an .rc file or something, or at least debug
 what is happening?

 I am not entirely a newbie, but have not learnt my way around debugging.

 k3b --help doesn't seem to offer a verbose mode and no help from k3bsetup.

 Russell
KDM configuration is in /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc

It is well commented.

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[newbie] pci-express support

2005-04-05 Thread Isak Lyberth
does mandrake-linux or linux in general support pci-express?
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Re: [newbie] back to Windows

2005-04-05 Thread Aron Smith
On Monday 04 April 2005 09:16 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
 Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:
 On April 2, 2005 05:26, Daniel Anderson wrote:
 On Friday 01 April 2005 04:49 pm, Erylon Hines wrote:
 On Friday 01 April 2005 12:40 pm, Daniel Anderson wrote:
 | I'm going back to my TRS80 model 4.
 |
 | Dan
 
 OMG!  I had one of those.  I think it cost- like -
 $1650, which is probably about $10,000 in today's dollars.
 
 I still have mine, still works, dabbled a little in basic with it. I put
  in the extra memory and two 720k drives. Paid $50 for it used.
 
 And the first 386/25.  I still have that laying around somewhere, or at
 least pieces of it--4 MEGS of RAM-whoo hoo--that was one hell of a
 machine. I actually ran Linux on it, for a while, kernel 1.x something,
 maybe 1.2, I can't remember exactly.  Yup, them were the good ole days.
 
 I've got you all beat. I started on a Cosmac Elf with 256 bytes of static
  ram, a hex keypad and 2-digit 7-segment display! An RCA-1802, the best 8
  bit cpu ever built. Composite tv output (40x25), and audio tape storage
  were also available. My brothers and I soldered the components onto the
  motherboard ourselves.
 
 And I walked to work bare feet in the snow, 5 miles, up hill both ways
  8^).

 Do you really want to start comparing who has the oldest hardware
 sitting around? I think there is a lady on this list that has us all
 beat. (Especial after I junked the model 33 teletype last year.)
An ASR 33? I would have killed to get one of those back in the old days :-D

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Re: [newbie] Mandriva

2005-04-05 Thread Greg Meyer
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 08:45 am, Josenildo Marques wrote:
 And the latest newsletter says Mandrake is going to incorporate
 elements of technology from Conectiva, particularly in the area of the
 smart package management software and some of Conectiva's kernel
 enhancements.
 I think that means apt-get...

No, that means the SMART package manager.  SMART is a technology that does 
better dependency checking than urpmi or apt-get, and is package manager 
agnostic, so it can be used with urpmi or apt-get.  In fact, it is already in 
contrib.

Probably what will happen, based on the discussions going on on the Cooker ML, 
is that some of the cool elements of SMART will be integrated into urpmi 
somehow.  But no one thinks urpmi will be ditched for apt-get, especially 
since apt4rpm is, as I understand it, unmaintained.
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10.2

2005-04-05 Thread Miark
On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:44:42 -0400, JoeHill wrote:

 On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:38:47 +0100
 Elwyn York disseminated the following:
 
 As far as your mail, it's stored in your home dir, which
 during even a clean install is not formatted, at least not by
 default AFAIK. This should go for most if not all of your
 'data', depending on how you have your disk partitioned.


This is true if /home is its own partition, but what if it's on
the same partition as /? Will it not get wiped on a new install?


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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10.2

2005-04-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 15:37, Miark wrote:
 On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:44:42 -0400, JoeHill wrote:
  On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:38:47 +0100
  Elwyn York disseminated the following:
 
  As far as your mail, it's stored in your home dir, which
  during even a clean install is not formatted, at least not by
  default AFAIK. This should go for most if not all of your
  'data', depending on how you have your disk partitioned.

 This is true if /home is its own partition, but what if it's on
 the same partition as /? Will it not get wiped on a new install?

In that case, the whole /home directory, including mail and any saved work, 
will be wiped out.  You really do need a backup of your work and mail before 
you install.  I'm not sure where sylpheed-claws stores your mail, but if you 
can't find it I'm sure someone will point you to it.

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Re: [newbie] Mandriva

2005-04-05 Thread Tom
Josenildo Marques wrote:
It seems our favourite distro is going to change its name to _Mandriva_
(i.e., Mandrake+Conectiva), according to an article I have just read.
The article says Mandrake bought the domains Mandriva.com and
Mandriva.net. Conectiva bought the domain mandriva.com.br
whois mandriva.com
whois mantiva.com
(might need to 'urpmi whois' first )
   IRRC, there might've one or two others also.  Speculation was 
that Mandrake registered those domains, shortly after the merger, on 
a just in case basis.  Search 'mandriva' on a cooker ML archive to 
get the whole discussion. IIRC, Mantiva was the favorite.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker

And the latest newsletter says Mandrake is going to incorporate
elements of technology from Conectiva, particularly in the area of the
smart package management software and some of Conectiva's kernel
enhancements.
I think that means apt-get...
  Greg already did a good job of answering this, but you could 
also search cooker to see this discussion.   And visit
http://linux-br.conectiva.com.br/~niemeyer/smart/doc/README.html
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Re: [newbie] back to Windows

2005-04-05 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Aron Smith wrote:
On Monday 04 April 2005 09:16 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Do you really want to start comparing who has the oldest hardware
sitting around? I think there is a lady on this list that has us all
beat. (Especial after I junked the model 33 teletype last year.)
An ASR 33? I would have killed to get one of those back in the old days :-D
Well, I probably paid more then I should have for it 20 years ago. I 
used it on my first home computer. I had a LOT of programs on paper tape.

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Re: [ml] [newbie] Which kernel?

2005-04-05 Thread JR
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 01:38 am, Cameron MacDonald wrote:
 Now I feel even sillierI remembered uname but forgot the switch!!
For any command you dont know the switches for (but you do know the command), 
just type 'uname - -help'. Replacing 'uname' with whatever command is 
torturing you at that moment in time :)

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Re: [newbie] Mandriva

2005-04-05 Thread JR
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 01:45 pm, Josenildo Marques wrote:
 It seems our favourite distro is going to change its name 
snip
That would be a pity, I always thought Mandrake was a great name. And the two 
suggested ones are awful (maybe it's my Irish accent?).

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[newbie] Opportunity to plug OOo at interview

2005-04-05 Thread JR
I have an interview coming up in a few weeks. One of the minor requirements 
would be skills with MS word and excel. I was thinking of using this as an 
opportunity to say but I've also started to use OOo more often because I 
find I am more productive and it does x y z.

Can anyone give me a few differences / similarities they might be interested 
in? I'm not going to get into open source to them at the interview. But if I 
can quickly mention a few tangible clenchers, I will. The jobs not that good 
anyway :)

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[newbie] pdf text

2005-04-05 Thread Q.H. Wang
Hi folks,

I have some problem when using the feature of select text of Adobe reader 
7.0. For some pdf documents, the texts I selected are ok. But for some 
others, the texts I slected are kinda mess when I put them into OO writer. 
Does any one have similar experience? 

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Re: [newbie] Opportunity to plug OOo at interview

2005-04-05 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 18:10, JR wrote:
 I have an interview coming up in a few weeks. One of the minor requirements
 would be skills with MS word and excel. I was thinking of using this as an
 opportunity to say but I've also started to use OOo more often because I
 find I am more productive and it does x y z.

 Can anyone give me a few differences / similarities they might be
 interested in? I'm not going to get into open source to them at the
 interview. But if I can quickly mention a few tangible clenchers, I will.
 The jobs not that good anyway :)

 Regards,

 Jarlath

Well for one: it can open OOo files;) And almost any other format you throw at 
it.

2.Vector graphics are handled better albeit rudimentary

3.comparing documents through edit, compare documents is cool...don't know 
if Word has that or  the people I asked just don't know.

4.Its free as in beer, as well! ;)
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Re: [newbie] Opportunity to plug OOo at interview

2005-04-05 Thread Aron Smith
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 09:49 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Tuesday 05 April 2005 18:10, JR wrote:
  I have an interview coming up in a few weeks. One of the minor
  requirements would be skills with MS word and excel. I was thinking of
  using this as an opportunity to say but I've also started to use OOo
  more often because I find I am more productive and it does x y z.
 
  Can anyone give me a few differences / similarities they might be
  interested in? I'm not going to get into open source to them at the
  interview. But if I can quickly mention a few tangible clenchers, I will.
  The jobs not that good anyway :)
 
  Regards,
 
  Jarlath

 Well for one: it can open OOo files;) And almost any other format you throw
 at it.

 2.Vector graphics are handled better albeit rudimentary

 3.comparing documents through edit, compare documents is cool...don't
 know if Word has that or  the people I asked just don't know.

 4.Its free as in beer, as well! ;)
It's better at opening *some* Word files than Word is


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Re: [newbie] Opportunity to plug OOo at interview

2005-04-05 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 19:14, Aron Smith wrote:
 It's better at opening *some* Word files than Word is

OOo and Word treat whitespace differently.whatch out for that on large 
docs.pdf is the solution.
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Re: [newbie] Opportunity to plug OOo at interview

2005-04-05 Thread Christopher Taylor
On Apr 5, 2005 1:21 PM, H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 05 April 2005 19:14, Aron Smith wrote:
  It's better at opening *some* Word files than Word is
 
 OOo and Word treat whitespace differently.whatch out for that on large
 docs.pdf is the solution.
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Re: [newbie] back to Windows

2005-04-05 Thread jdow
From: Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Monday 04 April 2005 09:16 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
  Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:
  On April 2, 2005 05:26, Daniel Anderson wrote:
  On Friday 01 April 2005 04:49 pm, Erylon Hines wrote:
  On Friday 01 April 2005 12:40 pm, Daniel Anderson wrote:
  | I'm going back to my TRS80 model 4.
  |
  | Dan
  
  OMG!  I had one of those.  I think it cost- like -
  $1650, which is probably about $10,000 in today's dollars.
  
  I still have mine, still works, dabbled a little in basic with it. I
put
   in the extra memory and two 720k drives. Paid $50 for it used.
  
  And the first 386/25.  I still have that laying around somewhere, or
at
  least pieces of it--4 MEGS of RAM-whoo hoo--that was one hell of a
  machine. I actually ran Linux on it, for a while, kernel 1.x
something,
  maybe 1.2, I can't remember exactly.  Yup, them were the good ole
days.
  
  I've got you all beat. I started on a Cosmac Elf with 256 bytes of
static
   ram, a hex keypad and 2-digit 7-segment display! An RCA-1802, the best
8
   bit cpu ever built. Composite tv output (40x25), and audio tape
storage
   were also available. My brothers and I soldered the components onto
the
   motherboard ourselves.
  
  And I walked to work bare feet in the snow, 5 miles, up hill both ways
   8^).
 
  Do you really want to start comparing who has the oldest hardware
  sitting around? I think there is a lady on this list that has us all
  beat. (Especial after I junked the model 33 teletype last year.)
 An ASR 33? I would have killed to get one of those back in the old days
:-D

Not worth it. Traditionally the earliest amateur computers were built
out of Strowger relays and pinball machine parts. As for earliest micro-
computer I have a friend who still has his 4004 based computer. (And for
what it is worth perhaps the earliest micro-computer multitasking OS
went into the OM-55 satcom modem for the Navy. It was built by Magnavox
in Torrance back when 8080s were about $100-$150 a piece. On the other
paw there may be something even older than that. But COSMAC ELF is a piker.
Trust me on that one. Even my Processor Technology Sol PC is relatively
new on the block compared to the first toys out there. (6502 based
thingies need not apply. And I think the Sol PC design predated the
COSMAC and F8 chips, too.)

(I passed up acquiring a mostly built Altair when its owner died of
pancreatic cancer. I was playing with bigger iron, some nice Hewlett
Packard 8500 consoles based on their 2100S mini-computer. I built
myself a nice interactive circuit analysis program. That was before
They discovered I could commit software as well as design fancy
Radio Frequency electronics. All of which is mooted by the couple
people I know who built pinball machine and Strowger relay based
things.)

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Re: [newbie] Firewall for allowing ports selectively

2005-04-05 Thread jdow
From: Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Tuesday 05 April 2005 06:26, Anne Wilson wrote:

   An app that knows the difference between these two things?  That's not
   asking for much now, is it?  If I could build such a thing, nobody on
   this group could afford it, Cisco and the other router manufacturers
   would be in a bidding war to buy it for themselves.
 
  No, a user that knows the difference.

 Should have been more clear here.  Two scenarios, first a user that has
access
 which I covered below, second, an app that can do it at root level without
 user access which I was pointing out is quite a stretch.

   If you have a single personal firewall-like app for Linux, that
problem
   is solved.  If you install such an app and count on it to protect you
   from insecure software, you are living in a fool's paradise.
  
   Again, I don't have any problem with someone coding this, nor with
   running it, I simply don't see the point.  It is Windows dressing,
   nothing more.
 
  I don't think so.  I accept that it is not good control, but the
  alternative seems to be complete absence of control.  If an application
  needs to reach out to get data, as Acrobat Reader does, then it has to
have
  that ability, and I see no reason why it could not equally well send out
  packets.  Perhaps that's because I don't understand firewalling deeply
  enough, but the discussions on both lists are not explaining the things
we
  need to understand, like this point.

 Well, let's cover that really quickly.  If Acroread is only being used to
 access local data, it needs no Internet access at all.  Thus, you could
 firewall it off and still use it.  However, as I understand things, it
 integrates into a browser and may actually pull the pdf file itself.
 Assuming that is the functionality you want, there is an outgoing request
to
 pull the data from the web, and then incoming packets that contain the pdf
 file.  You could probably block posts which is what is being suggested,
but
 this implies an intimate knowledge of the workings of the app, knowing
what
 to block versus accept.  Given the audience for this, I think that assumes
 entirely too much.

 Also, if Acroread is really using embedded javascript/java for this type
of
 thing, it is possible that someone can code the web bug such that
 communication is sent on a port other than port 80 and well above what
would
 be considered a security area that fits within the first 1024 ports.
Again,
 this requires some type of intimate knowledge of what is being done and
thus
 what needs to be blocked.

So you simply block all ports for AcroRead. That's as easy as only
blocking port 80.


The cute problem is when you want to read a pdf file in your browser.
It is probably better to save the pdf file and only allow AcroRead to
access local files. So watch, the Acrobat people will include a little
app that AcroRead talks to and that little app accesses the net. It has
a different name so it can still communicate. You get into an arms race
quite literally.

It may be that the way to handle this is in the court of public opinion.
Spray this information around to all your friends. If they stop using
AcroRead and use other tools instead maybe Adobe will get the message.
(For that matter - why use AcroRead on Linux, anyway?)

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Re: [newbie] Firewall for allowing ports selectively

2005-04-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 19:37, jdow wrote:

 So you simply block all ports for AcroRead. That's as easy as only
 blocking port 80.


 The cute problem is when you want to read a pdf file in your browser.
 It is probably better to save the pdf file and only allow AcroRead to
 access local files. 

I do tend to view the pdf in a browser first, then save it if it looks useful.

 So watch, the Acrobat people will include a little 
 app that AcroRead talks to and that little app accesses the net. It has
 a different name so it can still communicate. You get into an arms race
 quite literally.

 It may be that the way to handle this is in the court of public opinion.
 Spray this information around to all your friends. If they stop using
 AcroRead and use other tools instead maybe Adobe will get the message.
 (For that matter - why use AcroRead on Linux, anyway?)

In theory, I don't mind a bit if an author wants to know about his work being 
read.  The problem, of course, is in how it can be abused.

As to why us AcroRead - things may have improved lately, but I first installed 
AcroRead because it handled scaleable printing better - printing 2-up, or A4 
onto A5 paper.  Certainly at that time I couldn't do it in any other package.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10.2

2005-04-05 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:55:24 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 15:37, Miark wrote:
  On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:44:42 -0400, JoeHill wrote:
   On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:38:47 +0100
   Elwyn York disseminated the following:
  
   As far as your mail, it's stored in your home dir, which
   during even a clean install is not formatted, at least not by
   default AFAIK. This should go for most if not all of your
   'data', depending on how you have your disk partitioned.
 
  This is true if /home is its own partition, but what if it's on
  the same partition as /? Will it not get wiped on a new install?
 
 In that case, the whole /home directory, including mail and any saved work, 
 will be wiped out.  You really do need a backup of your work and mail before 
 you install.  I'm not sure where sylpheed-claws stores your mail, but if you 
 can't find it I'm sure someone will point you to it.
 
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home/yourhome/.sylpheed or home/yourhome/.sylpheed-gtk2 also
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Re: [newbie] pdf text

2005-04-05 Thread Miark
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:52:15 +0100, Q.H. wrote:

 I have some problem when using the feature of select text of
 Adobe reader 7.0. For some pdf documents, the texts I selected
 are ok. But for some others, the texts I slected are kinda
 mess when I put them into OO writer. Does any one have similar
 experience? 

Although I have Acrobat 7, I still use pdftotext to convert from
one to the other. Try that instead and see if it does any better.

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Re: [newbie] Opportunity to plug OOo at interview

2005-04-05 Thread Miark
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:10:03 +0100, JR wrote:

 I have an interview coming up in a few weeks. One of the minor
 requirements would be skills with MS word and excel. I was
 thinking of using this as an opportunity to say but I've also
 started to use OOo more often because I find I am more
 productive and it does x y z.
 
 Can anyone give me a few differences / similarities they might
 be interested in? I'm not going to get into open source to
 them at the interview. But if I can quickly mention a few
 tangible clenchers, I will. The jobs not that good anyway :)

* It's multi-platform
* It's free to them _and_ free to any departments and clients or
  customers with whom you might share documents
* It exports to PDF naively
* It can be installed on any machine at any time without concern
  of licensing issues
* I understand it's more secure than Word out-of-the-box, but
  you might want to double-check that
* The suite comes with other software that is also free, e.g. you
  get PowerPoint-type software at no addition cost

As you say, though, I'd make this an exceptionally _minor_
sidenote to your interview.

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Re: [ml] [newbie] Which kernel?

2005-04-05 Thread Miark
 On Tuesday 05 April 2005 01:38 am, Cameron MacDonald wrote:

  Now I feel even sillierI remembered uname but forgot
  the switch!!

uname -a

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Re: [newbie] PS2 wheelmouse

2005-04-05 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:04:18 -0400
Lee Wiggers wrote:

 Is anyone else having trouble with the logitech optical mouse in
 10.1?
 
 I have used it, and am using it now on 4 boxes through a Belkin kvm
 switch.

Mine exhibits the same behaviour.

The workaround I use is that each time I change to a different system I
disconnect and then reconnect the mouse from the kvm switch.
Mines on an extension cable so that I can keep it within easy reach 



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[newbie] Lost XWindows

2005-04-05 Thread Charles Rodgers
I foolishly entered control alt  F1
and now my machine will only boot to the command screen.

What is the command to get from the command screen back to XWindows ?

Your help will be much appreciated.

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Re: [newbie] PS2 wheelmouse

2005-04-05 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Charles A Edwards wrote:
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:04:18 -0400
Lee Wiggers wrote:

Is anyone else having trouble with the logitech optical mouse in
10.1?
I have used it, and am using it now on 4 boxes through a Belkin kvm
switch.

Mine exhibits the same behaviour.
The workaround I use is that each time I change to a different system I
disconnect and then reconnect the mouse from the kvm switch.
Mines on an extension cable so that I can keep it within easy reach 


Charles
At a guess, I would say the mouse supports more then one format of 
reporting events. The Linux box is using a mode that is different then 
the other boxes. When you change to the other box, the mode gets 
changed, but it doesn't get reset when changing back to the Linux box.

Now, if you could figure out the mode the other boxes are using, and 
force the Linux box to use the same mode, you would be all set...

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Re: [newbie] Lost XWindows

2005-04-05 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 08:13, Charles Rodgers wrote:
 I foolishly entered control alt  F1
 and now my machine will only boot to the command screen.
 
 What is the command to get from the command screen back to XWindows ?
 
 Your help will be much appreciated.
 
 Charles

ctrl-alt-F7 or ctrl-alt-F8

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Re: [newbie] Lost XWindows

2005-04-05 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Charles Rodgers wrote:
I foolishly entered control alt  F1
and now my machine will only boot to the command screen.
What is the command to get from the command screen back to XWindows ?
Your help will be much appreciated.
Charles
This is strange. I use the Ctrl-Alt-F1 to change to the command line all 
the time, and I don't run into this problem. You do have to hit Alt-F7 
to get back to the X secession. (Standard install - this can be 
changed.) But you should have gotten the GUI login back when you 
rebooted as well.

In any case, if it is now booting into level 3, instead of level 5, you 
can change this in a couple of ways. I believe drakconf offers an option 
for this. Or you can edit /etc/inittab, and change

id:3:initdefault:
to
id:5:initdefault:
This should fix things, unless you did something to break the X server. 
You can also run telinit 5 as root to change to run level 5, instead 
of rebooting.

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Re: [newbie] Lost XWindows

2005-04-05 Thread Derek Jennings
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 23:13, Charles Rodgers wrote:
 I foolishly entered control alt  F1
 and now my machine will only boot to the command screen.

 What is the command to get from the command screen back to XWindows ?

 Your help will be much appreciated.

 Charles

Ctl+Alt+F1 only moves you to a text console temporarily.
It will not affect any future boot. If your computer will only boot to text 
then you have screwed it up in some other way.

(Ctl+Alt+F7 will bring you back to X from a text console)

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Re: [newbie] Lost XWindows

2005-04-05 Thread Charles Rodgers
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 08:13, Charles Rodgers wrote:
 I foolishly entered control alt  F1
 and now my machine will only boot to the command screen.
 
 What is the command to get from the command screen back to XWindows ?
 
 Your help will be much appreciated.
 
 Charles

ctrl-alt-F7 or ctrl-alt-F8

Thanks Stephen,

Yes I did try that, but I just get a blank screen.
Any more suggestions?

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Re: [newbie] Lost XWindows

2005-04-05 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 08:27, Charles Rodgers wrote:
 On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 08:13, Charles Rodgers wrote:
  I foolishly entered control alt  F1
  and now my machine will only boot to the command screen.
  
  What is the command to get from the command screen back to XWindows ?
  
  Your help will be much appreciated.
  
  Charles
 
 ctrl-alt-F7 or ctrl-alt-F8
 
 Thanks Stephen,
 
 Yes I did try that, but I just get a blank screen.
 Any more suggestions?
 
 Charles

As was suggested before, you might want to check to see if the
/etc/inittab was modified = runlevel 3 is console login, runlevel 5 is
GUI login = if the default is changed to 3, change it to 5 and reboot;
as well, if you just want to start X, type: startx

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Re: [newbie] XF86Config settings for LG Studioworks 700S

2005-04-05 Thread WauloK
Hey Yank! :)
Nah didn't manage to resolve it.
As I said, for some reason the OSD says 44.1kHz / 55.0 Hz.
I *know* it's not 55 Hz cos that'd be sooo flickery it'd drive me nuts! 
Usually the OSD on the monitory also displays the RESOLUTION of the
desktop (ie 1152x864) but at the moment, it's only showing the above
frequencies..
I know it IS in 1152x864 cos I went to one of those 'browser detection
javascript' websites and it told me the resolution (besides just
looking right).
I _have_ tried editting it by hand. That's how I put the modelines
into the file.
I don't know about Frame Buffer, but I spose it's something I can look at.

On Apr 5, 2005 8:59 PM, Stephen Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 19:26, WauloK wrote:
  Hi.
 
  I'm trying to set up my XF86Config.
  I've tried entering the data from a Modelines generator website, but
  it doesn't seem to be using the entered info.
  If I look at the OSD of the monitor at the moment it says:
  44.1kHz / 55.0Hz
  It's in 1152x864
 
  The Horizontal Freq range: 30 - 70
  The Vertical Freq range: 50 - 160
 
  The Modeline I got from the generator is:
  Modeline [EMAIL PROTECTED] 111.72 1152 1184 1608 1640 864 880 891 908
  The website I got the info from says my Pixel clock is 110MHz but the
  generator suggested 111.72
  If I just use the Control Panel to set the resolution to 1024x768 and
  I start up, it's running at 70Hz. The maximum freq is 85Hz in this
  mode (confirmed in XP).
  If I use the default Modelines as Mandrake created when I installed it
  and run at 1152x864 I get about 70Hz when the maximum is 75Hz.
 
  Any cluebats?
 
 I had thought that either vern or moonie resolved this issue in
 ##mandrake this afternoon - reckon not, eh?
 
 Have you tried to manually edit the /etc/X11/XF86Conf to initiate these
 changes?
 
 YankDownUnder
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Re: [newbie] PS2 wheelmouse

2005-04-05 Thread Russ Kepler
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 04:09 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote:
 On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:04:18 -0400

 Lee Wiggers wrote:
  Is anyone else having trouble with the logitech optical mouse in
  10.1?
 
  I have used it, and am using it now on 4 boxes through a Belkin kvm
  switch.

 Mine exhibits the same behaviour.

 The workaround I use is that each time I change to a different system I
 disconnect and then reconnect the mouse from the kvm switch.
 Mines on an extension cable so that I can keep it within easy reach

I solved the same problem by adding psmouse.proto=bare to the append in the 
lilo.conf.  After remember to 'lilo' to reset the boot things worked with the 
KVM.


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Re: [newbie] pdf text

2005-04-05 Thread Q.H. Wang

 Although I have Acrobat 7, I still use pdftotext to convert from
 one to the other. Try that instead and see if it does any better.

Many thanks Miark. I tried to use pdftotext to convert one or two pages of two 
pdf files into text files, but I got no luck. What I got in the text files 
are some mess. Could you please show me more on how to use it? Thanks.

Bests,

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Re: [newbie] Opportunity to plug OOo at interview

2005-04-05 Thread WauloK
Hence, it's the first naive Word processor!

On Apr 6, 2005 7:38 AM, Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:10:03 +0100, JR wrote:

 * It exports to PDF naively


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Re: [newbie] Connecting a video camera

2005-04-05 Thread Peter Watson
On Saturday 02 Apr 2005 14:52, Auke Jan Kroon wrote:
 Hi,

 I installed Mandrake 10.0 on my aunt's computer (can be upgraded to 10.1
 if necessary) and she bought a Sharp VL-Z1S video camera with
 DV/IEEE1394/Firewire output. I don't have a video camera, so my
 knowledge about this is close to zero. Can anyone tell me which (brand
 and type of) Firewire card she should buy to connect the camera to the
 PC? I cannot find anything on the hardware compatibility list.

 In addition, can anyone point me to documentation about how to get it to
 work?

 Thanks,


 AJ

I don't know too much about this but my experience for what it's worth is :-

I have a panasonic DV camera and I plug it into the firewire port on my Audigy 
sound card. I use Kino to handle the video, to make it work I had to add 
raw1394, dv1394 and video1394 to /etc/modprobe.preload.

This worked fine on 10.0 but when I first installed 10.1 udev did not make 
device node /dev/raw1394 and I had to do it manually, however there has since 
been an update to udev which fixes this. You may need to change the 
permissions for /dev/raw1394 so that a user can access it, tip if so 
add /dev/raw1394 to the camera line in /etc/security/console.perms.

HTH

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[newbie] Site for testing JVM

2005-04-05 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All

Is there some site for testing whether one's installed Java Virtual
Machine (JVM) is working fine?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [newbie] Firewall for allowing ports selectively

2005-04-05 Thread frengoGorgia
Il mar, 2005-04-05 alle 21:05, Anne Wilson ha scritto:
 On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 19:37, jdow wrote:
 
  The cute problem is when you want to read a pdf file in your browser.
  It is probably better to save the pdf file and only allow AcroRead to
  access local files. 
 
 I do tend to view the pdf in a browser first, then save it if it looks useful.

Anne ,
when you open a Pdf embed in a web page ,your browser download it in its
cache so you have a copy  saved locally .
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Re: [newbie] Site for testing JVM

2005-04-05 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 09:42, Paul Smith wrote:
 Dear All
 
 Is there some site for testing whether one's installed Java Virtual
 Machine (JVM) is working fine?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Paul

Why not something fun?

http://speculativevision.com/arcade/tailgunner/tailgunner.html

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Re: [newbie] Playing dvd movies on a computer

2005-04-05 Thread Robert Yu
Anne, why uninstall Xine? Shouldn't I just be able to update it?


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Re: [newbie] Site for testing JVM

2005-04-05 Thread Rob Blomquist
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 4:42 pm, Paul Smith wrote:
 Dear All

 Is there some site for testing whether one's installed Java Virtual
 Machine (JVM) is working fine?

www.java.com

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[newbie] X getting killed by viewing text document

2005-04-05 Thread mike
I know this is actually a no...no... but sometimes I get these
emails meant for a windows box with attachments like joker.exe or
whatever.

Anyways I dont open the attachments, but I view the message source
just to see what it looks like. I know :-| killed the cat.

I did not ever have a problem until today I got 2 of them and each
time I viewed them X died with  client killed.

So I copy them to a file and view them there with an editor. Ok no
problem so I open up my browser and do a search on some of
particulars like subject and attachments.

I whined up at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/ at a developers
forum and see a similar message there.

I'm scrolling it in mozilla browser and it kills X again.

What is happening? is viewing the text document in browser executing
some kind of java exploit?

Should I report this to Source forge? Or am I compromized, I ran
chkrootkit and results were negative (nothing showed up).

Thanks
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Re: [newbie] X getting killed by viewing text document

2005-04-05 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 10:30, mike wrote:
 I know this is actually a no...no... but sometimes I get these
 emails meant for a windows box with attachments like joker.exe or
 whatever.
 
 Anyways I dont open the attachments, but I view the message source
 just to see what it looks like. I know :-| killed the cat.
 
 I did not ever have a problem until today I got 2 of them and each
 time I viewed them X died with  client killed.
 
 So I copy them to a file and view them there with an editor. Ok no
 problem so I open up my browser and do a search on some of
 particulars like subject and attachments.
 
 I whined up at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/ at a developers
 forum and see a similar message there.
 
 I'm scrolling it in mozilla browser and it kills X again.
 
 What is happening? is viewing the text document in browser executing
 some kind of java exploit?
 
 Should I report this to Source forge? Or am I compromized, I ran
 chkrootkit and results were negative (nothing showed up).
 
 Thanks
 Mike

Check your mail preferences and make sure that you only view the
messages at TEXT instead of HTML = that is where the problem lies.

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[newbie] Re: [Wine]To su or not to su

2005-04-05 Thread Robert Yu
 h:\ maps to your home drive. Or, mine does. I used winetools-2.1.0-jo
 to set up wine. See what else is in ~/.wine/dosdevices.
 
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Re: [newbie] Opportunity to plug OOo at interview

2005-04-05 Thread Miark
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:59:07 +1000, WauloK wrote:

 Hence, it's the first naive Word processor!
 
 On Apr 6, 2005 7:38 AM, Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:10:03 +0100, JR wrote:
 
  * It exports to PDF naively

:-) Since moving to Sylpheed 1.9.6, the spell check has gone
crazy. If you check a word, try to correct it (I say that
because it erroneously flags many correctly spelled words) and
then later keep typing somewhere else in the message, the
characters appear in the last error spot, and it won't stop. I've
had to resort to saving the message as a draft, and then
reopening it to continue typing. Believe it or not, I _did_
actually spell this correctly the first time!

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Re: [newbie] pdf text

2005-04-05 Thread Miark
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 00:03:33 +0100, Q.H. wrote:

 
  Although I have Acrobat 7, I still use pdftotext to convert
  from one to the other. Try that instead and see if it does
  any better.
 
 Many thanks Miark. I tried to use pdftotext to convert one or
 two pages of two pdf files into text files, but I got no luck.
 What I got in the text files are some mess. Could you please
 show me more on how to use it? Thanks.

Not much to it, really. I just type 'pdftotext filename.pdf'
which generates filename.txt. Feel free to e-mail me the file
offlist if you'd like me to take a crack at it.

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Re: [newbie] back to Windows

2005-04-05 Thread Aron Smith
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 11:04 am, jdow wrote:
 From: Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  On Monday 04 April 2005 09:16 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
   Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:
   On April 2, 2005 05:26, Daniel Anderson wrote:
   On Friday 01 April 2005 04:49 pm, Erylon Hines wrote:
   On Friday 01 April 2005 12:40 pm, Daniel Anderson wrote:
   | I'm going back to my TRS80 model 4.
   |
   | Dan
   
   OMG!  I had one of those.  I think it cost- like -
   $1650, which is probably about $10,000 in today's dollars.
   
   I still have mine, still works, dabbled a little in basic with it. I

 put

in the extra memory and two 720k drives. Paid $50 for it used.
   
   And the first 386/25.  I still have that laying around somewhere, or

 at

   least pieces of it--4 MEGS of RAM-whoo hoo--that was one hell of a
   machine. I actually ran Linux on it, for a while, kernel 1.x

 something,

   maybe 1.2, I can't remember exactly.  Yup, them were the good ole

 days.

   I've got you all beat. I started on a Cosmac Elf with 256 bytes of

 static

ram, a hex keypad and 2-digit 7-segment display! An RCA-1802, the
best

 8

bit cpu ever built. Composite tv output (40x25), and audio tape

 storage

were also available. My brothers and I soldered the components onto

 the

motherboard ourselves.
   
   And I walked to work bare feet in the snow, 5 miles, up hill both ways
8^).
  
   Do you really want to start comparing who has the oldest hardware
   sitting around? I think there is a lady on this list that has us all
   beat. (Especial after I junked the model 33 teletype last year.)
 
  An ASR 33? I would have killed to get one of those back in the old days
 
 :-D

 Not worth it. Traditionally the earliest amateur computers were built
 out of Strowger relays and pinball machine parts. As for earliest micro-
 computer I have a friend who still has his 4004 based computer. (And for
 what it is worth perhaps the earliest micro-computer multitasking OS
 went into the OM-55 satcom modem for the Navy. It was built by Magnavox
 in Torrance back when 8080s were about $100-$150 a piece. On the other
 paw there may be something even older than that. But COSMAC ELF is a piker.
 Trust me on that one. Even my Processor Technology Sol PC is relatively
 new on the block compared to the first toys out there. (6502 based
 thingies need not apply. And I think the Sol PC design predated the
 COSMAC and F8 chips, too.)

 (I passed up acquiring a mostly built Altair when its owner died of
 pancreatic cancer. I was playing with bigger iron, some nice Hewlett
 Packard 8500 consoles based on their 2100S mini-computer. I built
 myself a nice interactive circuit analysis program. That was before
 They discovered I could commit software as well as design fancy
 Radio Frequency electronics. All of which is mooted by the couple
 people I know who built pinball machine and Strowger relay based
 things.)

 {^_-}   Joanne
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Re: [newbie] Firewall for allowing ports selectively

2005-04-05 Thread jdow
From: frengoGorgia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Il mar, 2005-04-05 alle 21:05, Anne Wilson ha scritto:
  On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 19:37, jdow wrote:
  
   The cute problem is when you want to read a pdf file in your browser.
   It is probably better to save the pdf file and only allow AcroRead to
   access local files.
 
  I do tend to view the pdf in a browser first, then save it if it looks
useful.

 Anne ,
 when you open a Pdf embed in a web page ,your browser download it in its
 cache so you have a copy  saved locally .
 So it's the same thing open the pdf or save it and display later

Are you sure it works that way, Frengo? There are indications that at
least one widely distributed (more's the shame) Web browser launches
AcroRead to reside in the browser window and passes it the file name
so that the file is downloaded by AcroRead.

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Re: [ml] [newbie] Which kernel?

2005-04-05 Thread Cameron MacDonald
JR wrote:
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 01:38 am, Cameron MacDonald wrote:
Now I feel even sillierI remembered uname but forgot the switch!!
For any command you dont know the switches for (but you do know the command), 
just type 'uname - -help'. Replacing 'uname' with whatever command is 
torturing you at that moment in time :)

Regards,
Jarlath
Thanks, Jarlath.  Yeah, I shoulda rmembered that. As I said the BBs 
were rolling around the noggin', not falling in the correct holes.

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Re: [newbie] X getting killed by viewing text document

2005-04-05 Thread mike
Stephen Kühn wrote:
 On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 10:30, mike wrote:
 

snip


I'm scrolling it in mozilla browser and it kills X again.

What is happening? is viewing the text document in browser executing
some kind of java exploit?

Should I report this to Source forge? Or am I compromized, I ran
chkrootkit and results were negative (nothing showed up).

Thanks
Mike
 
 
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Ahh... thanks Steven.

Never happened to me before at least since I been using Linux.
I guess I thought I was safer than I really was.

Not sure how to turn that off in mozilla will look around.

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Re: [newbie] X getting killed by viewing text document

2005-04-05 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 12:30, mike wrote:

 Ahh... thanks Steven.
 
 Never happened to me before at least since I been using Linux.
 I guess I thought I was safer than I really was.
 
 Not sure how to turn that off in mozilla will look around.
 
 Again thanks,
 Mike

Not quite sure in Mozilla Mail - but it's there somewhere. If it was
Evolution I could tell you right off the bat...

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Re: [newbie] Site for testing JVM

2005-04-05 Thread Alberto Omar Rodrigues
On Apr 5, 2005 8:42 PM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear All
 
 Is there some site for testing whether one's installed Java Virtual
 Machine (JVM) is working fine?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Paul
 
 

Try this

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[newbie] KIOSlave and Bluetooth phone

2005-04-05 Thread WauloK
Has anyone set up KIOSlave to connect to a Bluetooth phone?
I have a Motorola A1000 which I'd like to upload/download images,
documents and other files with.
My KDEBluetooth can detect the phone and connect to it, but I only get
the options of OBEX-Push and a couple other things, but not
OBEX-kioslave.

Do I need to install a package for this?

I'd like to browse the phone's directories and install applications. I
believe I can use the OBEX-push to install applications, but I want to
browse.

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[newbie] source build problem

2005-04-05 Thread Paul Kaplan
I am not an expert in rebuilding rpms from src.rpms, but I have done it from 
time to time.  I am now trying to build rpms for firefox 1.0.2 using the src 
rpm from cooker.  However the process aborts after about 20 minutes with the 
following message:

/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.77790: line 96: fg: no job control
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.77790 (%install)

line 96 of the aforementioned file reads:

chmod 755 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox-1.0.2/chrome/rc.d/generate-chrome.sh

The permissions on the 
file 
/var/tmp/mozilla-firefox-1.0.2-buildroot/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox-1.0.2/chrome/rc.d/generate-chrome.sh
 
are -rwxr-xr-x

Can someone please explain what the problem is and how to solve?

TIA
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Re: [newbie] XF86Config settings for LG Studioworks 700S

2005-04-05 Thread Andras Keszei
 and run at 1152x864 I get about 70Hz when the maximum is 75Hz.
 
 Any cluebats?

I also have an LG studioworks 700S, I did nothing out of the ordinary
(not actually having the skills), and I have the desktop at 1152x864 @
75Hz as per the OSD display on the monitor.  I have Mdk10.0 and a
Geforce2 MX400 with the 5336 Nvidia driver.
Will it help if I send you my XF86Config (or any other) file?

cheers
Andras



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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10.2

2005-04-05 Thread Elwyn York
On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 20:46, Lee Wiggers wrote:
 On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:55:24 +0100
 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 15:37, Miark wrote:
   On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:44:42 -0400, JoeHill wrote:
  In that case, the whole /home directory, including mail and any saved
  work, will be wiped out.  You really do need a backup of your work and
  mail before you install.  I'm not sure where sylpheed-claws stores your
  mail, but if you can't find it I'm sure someone will point you to it.
 
  Anne

 home/yourhome/Mail.

 AND

 home/yourhome/.sylpheed or home/yourhome/.sylpheed-gtk2 also
 needed  depending on your vers.

 Lee

Yes, I will back up as much as possible (ie everything) and then reinstall. 
But I am sooo tempted to hang on for 10.2.

Although I had a MS Certified Engineer and IT chappie around here that always 
extolls the microsoft side and stuff...  They've just moved and have no gas 
or hot water...

Was quite surprised to find Mdk10 on Amd1300 more responsive and quicker than 
XP on a 2400 :)  A convert I think... :)

Elwyn


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Re: [newbie] PS2 wheelmouse

2005-04-05 Thread Elwyn York
On Monday 04 Apr 2005 12:04, Lee Wiggers wrote:
 Is anyone else having trouble with the logitech optical mouse in
 10.1?

 I have used it, and am using it now on 4 boxes through a Belkin kvm
 switch.

I've got a MS wireless optical mouse.   It used to be plugged into the PS2 
port then I needed the adapter for the notebook, so it's now in USB. 
Changeover was fine and great, no problems.

The difference is that I do not use a KVM switch...

Are you able to try the USB option to see if that cures it??

Elwyn


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Re: [newbie] Firewall for allowing ports selectively

2005-04-05 Thread frengoGorgia
Il mer, 2005-04-06 alle 04:11, jdow ha scritto:
 From: frengoGorgia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Il mar, 2005-04-05 alle 21:05, Anne Wilson ha scritto:
   On Tuesday 05 Apr 2005 19:37, jdow wrote:
   
The cute problem is when you want to read a pdf file in your browser.
It is probably better to save the pdf file and only allow AcroRead to
access local files.
  
   I do tend to view the pdf in a browser first, then save it if it looks
 useful.
 
  Anne ,
  when you open a Pdf embed in a web page ,your browser download it in its
  cache so you have a copy  saved locally .
  So it's the same thing open the pdf or save it and display later
 
 Are you sure it works that way, Frengo? There are indications that at
 least one widely distributed (more's the shame) Web browser launches
 AcroRead to reside in the browser window and passes it the file name
 so that the file is downloaded by AcroRead.

8^)
you are correct , jdow
i mean only that there is no difference downloading the PDFfile with the
browser plug-in or saving it manually with a right-click, and so the
user don't have a prewiev of the file that save from downloading the
complete file if the content of file isn't what he is looking for.

The spyware-behaviour of acro-reader could only be prevented allowing it
to open only local files .

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[newbie] Re: KDE /K3B problem

2005-04-05 Thread Russell Butler
Derek Jennings wrote:
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 13:59, Russell Butler wrote:
Derek Jennings wrote:
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 11:16, Russell Butler wrote:
Hello all
I have Mandrake 10.1 on 2.6.8.1-12mdk win4Lin kernel
installed (dual boot with Win) and mostly use KDE. since a recent
re-install I had been using the graphical login page, and I noted that
it would not retain the faces settings.
Mandrake Control Centre SystemDisplay Manager
Select the 'KDM' display Manager
derek
Thanks for the suggestion Derek, but still the same behaviour.
Is there any way to edit an .rc file or something, or at least debug
what is happening?
I am not entirely a newbie, but have not learnt my way around debugging.
k3b --help doesn't seem to offer a verbose mode and no help from k3bsetup.
Russell
KDM configuration is in /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc
It is well commented.
derek
Sorry I realise I didn't make it clear that it is the k3b error which is 
my main problem. The zombie process seems to interfere with other 
programs, especially trying to start mcc

The faces one just appeared at the same time and I thought it might 
give a pointer to the source of the trouble.

Thanks
Russell


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Re: [newbie] XF86Config settings for LG Studioworks 700S

2005-04-05 Thread WauloK
Yes! Definitely! Thanks :)

On Apr 6, 2005 2:40 PM, Andras Keszei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  and run at 1152x864 I get about 70Hz when the maximum is 75Hz.
 
  Any cluebats?
 
 I also have an LG studioworks 700S, I did nothing out of the ordinary
 (not actually having the skills), and I have the desktop at 1152x864 @
 75Hz as per the OSD display on the monitor.  I have Mdk10.0 and a
 Geforce2 MX400 with the 5336 Nvidia driver.
 Will it help if I send you my XF86Config (or any other) file?
 
 cheers
 Andras
 
 
 
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Re: [newbie] USB Mouse problem

2005-04-05 Thread WauloK
oh ok. on top like we used to do with windows way back

On Apr 3, 2005 5:35 AM, Ivo Perich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Try installing without formatting anything... it works
 
 El Sábado, 2 de Abril de 2005 01:50, WauloK escribió:
  Ack!
  Too much configuring since installation to go back to the start!
  I'll have to find another way, but thanks
 
  On Apr 1, 2005 11:24 PM, Ivo Perich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Jason:
  
   i forgot to remark that the security level is that i put IN THE
   INSTALATION, im NOT talking about change the security level once Mandrake
   is installed. Im talking about installing mandrake again, with a lower
   security level.
  
   good luck
  
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