Re: [newbie] Mandrake Club (Troll)

2003-01-04 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 00:09, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:

snip

 Second, nobody suggested that visitors be denied access.  My suggestion
 is that visitors be encouraged to invest in either a club membership or
 get a boxed set, depending of course on their individual finances.

...and those who simply have no money and can't afford to invest in a
boxed set OR the club--for whatever reason?  Should they move on to
another distro?
 
 The gist of my point is that there *is* a freeloader problem out there
 and it can only be addressed politely through community influence.  If
 nobody takes any action at all then nothing's going to happen.

Maybe you can politely (if not arrogantly)tell the freeloaders with
money to 'ante up' without alienating those who cannot afford to 'pay
up'...or should they go away, too?
 
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Re: [newbie] lpr problem

2002-12-25 Thread Erik Farnsworth
Robin,

I'm not sure this is the definitive answer, but I overcame the problem
by adding my user account to the group 'lp' in
ConfigOtheruserdrake--erikeditgroups.  Now all programs are willing
to print for user erik.

HTH.


On Wed, 2002-12-25 at 09:27, robin wrote:
 It turned out my OO problem seems to be a problem with the way it calls 
 lpr - Mozilla does the same. LyX and Kwrite work fine for a normal user, 
 but OO and Moz will still only print as root.  When opened from a 
 terminal, OO gives the error lpr: unable to create temporary file. 
 Any idea what's causing this?  /tmp is full of files created by LyX but 
 not OO, as far as I can tell.
 
 Sir Robin



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Re: [newbie] Crash Burners of the World Unite

2002-12-24 Thread Erik Farnsworth
I don't have much in financial resources and I work from a 33.6
connection (gotta love Verizon's rural phone lines)...however, I'd love
to be part of the testing.  So...

I just happen to have about 25GB+ that I could use for testing (been
looking for a reason to dump XP Pro now that I don't use it) and I have
a friend with a good cable connection that is willing to d/l betas for
me.  I should be able to handle mailing CD copies to up to 2 other
testers, if needed (presuming no more than 3 new sets of CDs per month
for the other 2 testers--Priority Mail can be a little pricey).

Please count me in as a tester and a burner (for up to 2 others), if
needed.

I live in central Illinois, so I guess I'd be midwest--east of the
Mississippi.

Thanks!



On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 08:28, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
 OK, so far there is an incredible number of volunteers.  Most of the
 crew here seems to be US, and we don't have anybody for Australia yet. 
 List:
 
 UNITED KINGDOM
  Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 CANADA
 Ingo Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 UNITED STATES
 Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Lower Atlantic Seaboard
 Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Midwest US
 Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED]  -- Upper Atlantic Seaboard
 
 What exactly is left of the crashtest team?  How was it organized?  What
 was the format for the bug reports?  How do we integrate the crash
 burners with the crashtesters?
 
 Is it too early to be thinking about this? Should the question really
 be, where's the money?  Should we concentrate on raising fundage for
 Mandrake from Lugs and christmas presents first?  Would praying help?
 
 Where's the beef?  Can somebody else weigh in on this?  Darklord? 
 Civileme?
 
 LX



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Re: [newbie] Mice Issues and comments (rant?)

2002-12-24 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 14:12, Robin Turner wrote:

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  As an experienced Windows user with 12 years under my belt,
   (Quick, what MS windows release number was out in 1990?)
 
 Hey, I guessed right - 3.0!  ( 
 http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm - the rest of the 
 site is pretty interesting too.)
 
 I was still using an Atari 1024 then.

And anyone remembering Windows 3.0, should also remember GPFs.  They
were the main feature of the new desktop BG ripped off from Apple's
Macintosh.  Too bad his developers didn't write the code for Windows 3.0
as well as they did the code for the Mac desktop. Also, anyone who
remembers Windows 3.0 probably won't use 'intuitive' in a sentence
describing it, eitherROFLWTIME


Most of the time, I just booted into DOS and let Windows 3.0 sit idle. 
That way I could honestly say I didn't have any problems with itbig
grin


snip


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Re: [newbie] XCDroast primary read device.

2002-12-22 Thread Erik Farnsworth
Anne,

mtab should be dynamic, written by the system, based on mounted
partitions/drives.

To verify this, open a terminal window and su to root. Presuming that
your LS120 is mounted:  Open /etc/mtab and take a look at how it lists
your LS120.  Close the file, making no changes.  Next, make a copy of
your current /etc/fstab file (e.g. fstab.original).  Then open and edit
the line referring to your LS120, setting it to match the /dev
scsi-emulation entry.  Save the altered fstab file (as fstab).  Now
issue the command: umount /mnt/LS120 (or whatever it's called in /mnt).

If you open the /etc/mtab file now, you should no longer see the LS120
listed.  Close the file without making changes.  Issue the command: 
mount /mnt/LS120 (or appropriate).  Again, open /etc/mtab.  You should
now see the LS120 listed at the bottom of the file with the new settings
you just gave it.

Presuming that all is, as listed above, you can test to see if your
system and the LS120 will play nicely with the new settings.  If they
don't, simply copy the fstab.original to fstab, unmount and remount the
drive and you should be back to the way it was before starting the
experiment.

I run 9.0 with supermount with no problems (hda, hdb, dvd, cd-rw, iomega
zip drive).  I was reluctant to change the settings for the dvd drive to
scsi emulation...but finally make the change to lilo and fstab (thank
you, Malcolm, for the push).  I even 'moved' the cdrw from scsi0 to
scsi1 in fstab and set dvd as scsi0 (it's the master on the bus).  All
is working well and I now have a reader and writer in xcdroast and mdk
install recognizes and installs from dvd drive, as before. 

I'm not sure whether this has any effect or not...but this box is an
(ugh!) HP Pavilion, 500 MHz that came with cable select set on the
drives.  When I dumped the 19GB bigfoot and installed 2 IBM 40GB drives,
I was too cheap/lazy to buy new cables and install as master/slave on
hds or rom drives.




On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 05:36, Anne Wilson wrote:

snip
 
 Having read this and your previous post, I'm struggling to get to grips with 
 this.  I thought that mtab was dynamic, but you imply that it's not as simple 
 as that.  Is it, then, that mtab requires initial entries which it adapts as 
 necessary when drives are mounted/umounted?
 
 One possible cause of my problem springs to mind.  The LS120 drive, when first 
 presented to the install, got installed as sda, showing itself in the 
 Removable Devices as another floppy drive.  Looking at /dev it is clearly 
 using scsi emulation, so configuring it (in fstab) in the same way as a 
 floppy may be completely wrong.  Unfortunately I don't have a copy of the 
 fstab before it went wrong.
 
 Without supermount I have no problem reading either 1.4 Mb or 100 Mb discs, so 
 it isn't an urgent problem - I'm just intrigued as to what the install did 
 that I haven't yet managed to do.
 
 Anne


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Re: [newbie] .....S.....l.....o.....w..... Printing in The GIMP

2002-12-19 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 21:58, James Dawson wrote:
 On Thursday 19 December 2002 12:39 am, Erik Farnsworth wrote:
  In ConfigurationKDESystemPrinting Manger printer propertieswhat
  are your settings?
 
 I assume these are the settings you are talking about:
 
 Output Mode:  Color
 Resolution:   360 DPI
 Media Size:   Letter
 Media Type:   Plain Paper
 Brightness:   1.000
 Contrast: 1.000
 Cyan: 1.000
 Density:  1.000
 Dither Algorithm: Adaptive Hybrid
 Image Type:   Photograph
 Ink Type: Six Color Photo
 Magenta:  1.000
 Saturation:   1.000
 Yellow:   1.000

o.kmine is similar, although I have a Stylus Color 740.  My
resolution is set to 720X720 (ghostscript) and 720 dpi (resolution). 
also, my ink type is set to 4 color standard (but there may be a
difference in the color cartridges available for your epson--??)  my
setup is foomatic+gimp-print with CUPS and image type is continuous-tone
photographs.

That setup works great for me in the gimp, plus mozilla, Oo, and
others.  A lot of darker colors in the image seems to slow it a
little...but only by a minute or so


 
 
  Have you set the correct number of colors?  have you set it for
  photographic?  Have you set a reasonable dpi?...overkill on the
  resolution, especially if other settings are incorrect or marginal, will
  make a huge difference in the output
 
  have you turn mtink in a terminal window (as superuser) to make sure all
  is set correctly there?
 
 Yes. Everything is fine save for some minor head cloging...
 
  On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 22:09, James Dawson wrote:
   Help!
  
   I am trying to print a picture in The GIMP but there are two problems.
  
   First is that the printing is unberably slow. It takes something like 3
   hours (no exageration!) to print out the 2x3 picture I'm working on.
  
   Second, when the printout is finally complete it is so washed out that it
   is almost invisible!
  
   I am using Mandrake 9.0 (GIMP 1.2.3 included on the Mandrake CD) printing
   to an Epson Stylus Photo 820 via USB. Printing in other applications
   (including the printer test page) is fine. When I print to my other
   printer (a Brother HL-1850 laser printer) it prints out fine (albeit not
   in color...)
  
   Does anyone know what might be the problem?
  
   Thanks in advance.
  
   
  
  
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Re: [newbie] particition magic etc.

2002-12-12 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 16:57, FemmeFatale wrote:
 At 08:43 AM 12/11/2002 -0800, you wrote:
 Hi, one more time the computer has crashed. I am beginning to think that 
 the drive has been damaged, from before when I had a virus etc. My husband 
 has an older computer, Pentium 2 that he has said I can set up Linux on. 
 He would like to try to reformat my drive and take the time to figure out 
 where we went wrong. In other words start from scratch.
 As I have no operating system ie: I can get to login: in something similar 
 to dos but it does not boot, is there any way to 1. login and get my files
 2. Reformat the drive using particion magic (we have the program)
 
 Many thanks in advance,
 
 Alexa
 
 Save yourself a huge headache  don't use PM for anything relating to 
 linux.  Let MDK do the partitioning  Such for you.  Alternatively use 
 FDISK for windows, but fair warning it IS more arcane than MDK's 
 partitioning GUI.


And be aware:  Windows does not always like Linux's fdisk partitioning
and DOS fdisk and NTFS file systems don't play nicely together.



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Re: [newbie] trouble with cd-rw cd-rom setup

2002-12-09 Thread Erik Farnsworth
Daniel,

First...I'm hoping that it was a copy and paste error, but you are
missing the 'i' on image=/boot/vmlinux on the first (default) entry.

In addition, the default entry is the only one with the append= line
that does not read   append=devfs=mount hda=ide-scsi hdd-scsi

('quiet' keeps you from seeing all the 'goodies' load--I prefer to see
that everything is loading o.k., so I have removed it.)

Without those ide-scsi and hdd-scsi entries, your system is going to
have problems 'seeing' them.  I would suggest that you modify the
append= line in your first (default) entry to read either:

append=quiet devfs=mount hda=ide-scsi hdd-scsi

or

append=devfs=mount hda=ide-scsi hdd-scsi


Either way, once you have made the change and saved the lilo.conf file,
at a (root) command prompt, type 'lilo' or '/sbin/lilo' (without quote
marks).  You will get a return of the new lilo configuration, so you
know it 'took'.

Then do a normal shutdown and restart...your CD drive should then be
available as a CDROM and a CD burner.

(BTW:  I have found eroaster to be very reliable and much easier to
configure...personal opinion, of course.)




On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 19:44, Daniel Buchanan wrote: I have a cd-rw and a
cd-rom on my system.  The crrecord utility will see the burner but i can
not access it as a regular drive nor can i access the cd-rom drive
either.  I followed the directions on the x-cd-roast website as well as
in the cd-re howto and i simply can not seem to get the drives to work
the way i want them to.  I'm attaching the curent state of my
lili,modules and fstab files.

If someone could tell me where i went wrong and also what i need to link
cdrom and cdrom2 to so i can get full access back to these drives, i'd
be really happy :)

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Re: [newbie] Write to windows partition?

2002-12-08 Thread Erik Farnsworth
Stephen was correct...from mdk, you can read files on an NTFS system
(XP, in my case), but you cannot write to them.  On the 'doz partition
that I want to share between mdk and xp, I have set it as vfat (FAT32)
and can read/write to it quite well with mdk.

[OTOH, 'Doz don't speaka-da-*nix, so it has no idea that mdk is also on
the same box. vbg]


On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 17:32, Dale Kosan wrote:
 Well, he states he can read the files so it is not NTFS. Root should be 
 able to read and write, to do this as a user you need to edit the 
 /etc/fstab entry. Can not help with that because I do not have Windows 
 on my machine.
 
 man mount for details.
 
 The option, from memory, is umask=0.
 Or you could use user=nnn,umask=002 if you are the only one going to write
 to it.
 Or mess about with group ownership and permissions if you want more
 complicated control of access.
 
 
 
 Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 07:08, Tom Henry wrote:
  
 I've installed ML 9.0 onto (Dell GX1 desktop system) it's own EXT2 partition
 
  From Linux  I am able to read the files on the /windows/ partition  _but_ 
 cannot edit anything ;-(
 
 How do I get it set up so I have 'write' permission to everything on the 
 /windows/ partition?
 
 Many thanks for any help you can provide,
 Tom
  
  
  Assuming you're accessing everything Windows via /mnt/win_c - you
  can't edit ANYTHING at all? What version of Windows were you running?
  Because if you were running anything NT based with NTFS, you're not
  going to be able to - but if you're running under FAT or VFAT, you can
  edit/save/modify anything - just that the executable bit is set on all
  files...but that's generally not a hassle...
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [newbie] Write to windows partition?

2002-12-08 Thread Erik Farnsworth
Spence,

Thanks!  Unless I totally hose my mdk system, I probably won't need this
program because I boot XP only to use PageMaker (until I learn to use
Lyx better) and to update the anti-virus .dat files.  [I did d/l
explore2fs, just in case :) ]  However, I have a friend who could
probably use it...so I'm passing on the info.

On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 18:41, Spencer wrote:
 On December 8, 2002 04:24 pm, Erik Farnsworth wrote:
 If you have a need to read or write data from Winduz, there is a program 
 called - explore2fs - that I use successfully on my W2K Pro install. I don't 
 know if it can be used with a NTFS partition but it works well from FAT32.
 
 Spence

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Re: [newbie] Can't access hda1

2002-12-01 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 16:10, George Baker wrote:
 Hi - I most probably messed things up. I wanted to change the permissions
 for hda1 so that I did not have to be root to copy files to my windows
 partition. Now if I try access hda1 the file manager opens and then
 everything just hangs. My D:/ drive - hda5 - is working fine, but then I
 left permissions for it alone. WHAT have I done.

Access to hda1 for all users would have best been set up in /etc/fstab
by specifying users in the definition.

If you can change the permissions (or whatever it was that you did) back
to the original settings so you can log in as root, then we can work
with your fstab.


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Re: SV: [newbie] imac install

2002-12-01 Thread Erik Farnsworth
o.kwhen you test and the screen goes black...it obviously isn't a
good setting  you might try either a lower settingor if you are
in a window that offers choices of Hz...you might try to find the
correct setting for your CRT and card.  Does the install offer you a
default setting, such as 800 X 600?  It's been a while and I don't
remember for sure, but I think that I was able to set up the higher res
screen on a Purple DV iMac, but was only able to set up 800 X 600 on a
Strawberry iMac.  Apple not only changes components with new models
(sometimes), but also have been known to change in the middle of a model
run.

I don't have either iMac handy right now, so I can't check it out for a
ctl+alt+delete, although that combination usually works on a PC. 
Another combination that works on a PC is ctl+alt+F2 to get a new
console window which should allow you to log in and fix problems you may
have accidentally created.

That said...even if it works on an iMac, I don't believe it is an option
during the OS installonly after you have it up and running.



On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 16:28, Farid Ghussein wrote:
 Thanks alot Erik.
 As a matter of fact, I did choose the imac monitor with the 1024x768
 resolution during installation. I've also started my computer in text mode
 (I made a ROOT login). From text mode I used that program called something
 like xf86cfg. That program would let me choose resolution (I got two
 alternatives with the 1024x768 resolution)and after that I got a question if
 I want to test it or not. If I choose yes, the screen goes black again.
 Anyhow I'll try to do the stuff that you've written about below and maybe it
 will work. One thing that worries me is that every time I get the black
 screen I'm forced to use the power button to restart my computer since
 nothing else seems to work (does linux have something like ctrl-alt-del?).
 The result of restarting that way is that the system seems to find loads of
 problems at startup.
 
 Best regards
 
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Re: [newbie] Can't access hda1

2002-12-01 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 00:08, Erik Farnsworth wrote:

snip
 
 If you can change the permissions (or whatever it was that you did) back
 to the original settings so you can log in as root, then we can work
 with your fstab.

Please forgive me, I misspoke...it's late.  I meant to say:  If you can
change the permissions (or whatever it was that you did) back to the
original setting so you can cd into hda1 (cd /mnt/windows -??) as root,
then we can work with your fstab.

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Re: [newbie] xmss-cdread

2002-11-30 Thread Erik Farnsworth
you have xmss-cdread typed in here.  is that a typo or did you
misunderstand the name?  the correct name is xmms-cdread



On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 11:26, Sasongko Pribadi Djoko wrote:
 Dear Friends,
 
 I need a.m. xmss-cdread, I couldn't find it in my mandrake installation 
 disk.
 Where (URL?) can I find it, or if someone can send me directly to my mailbox 
 ?
 
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Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP

2002-11-28 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 09:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Erik,
Ok, i tried what u said. Downloaded AutoClave and ran it. Did 1 pass since i tot 
that's enough. Reinstalled xp (NTFS). Later, resized it using PQMagic, having Fat32 
and ext2. Booted into Mandrake setup.and Got the same problem!!! I feel it's 
not the harddisk then. Bios perhaps?
I also downloaded the clean up program from fujitsu(my harddisk manufacturer). 
Ran it and did the same thing, got the same problem.
If this goes on i'm going to sue Toshiba. ;)

Sean,

Once you had XP installed, did you boot into it to make sure it worked
o.k.before booting mandrake CD1?  I have only worked with Partition
Magic, not PQM, so I don't know if it messes up the mbr or not when
working with ntfs.  

Presuming that it booted and ran o.k. in XP, then the problem is
elsewhere.  

If it won't boot and run XP before you attempt the linux install, then
the problem may still lie in the way the partitions are set up (by PQM)
and now it writes the mbr after the partition change...or it may be the
XP install itself (errors in the CD burn, such as telling the software
to ignore errors so that it makes an exact duplicate of the original
with any/all intentional errors uncorrected).  Another problem could be
that the burn was 'bad' because it was burned at too fast a speed. 
Anything burned over 8X is suspect and anything burned at 4X is
compatible with more CD drives--IMO.

I'm sure there could be other reasons for the error to continue to
plague your install, but those are the two areas I have seen most often.

Reaching a little:

What OS did the machine have on it originally?  Presuming that the XP
install will boot, would it be possible for you to install the original
OS, make the necessary changes to the partitions for the dual boot that
you want--make sure the original OS boots-- then install mdk and make
sure it boots.  Once all this is done, upgrade to XP, boot it to make
sure it works, then boot to linux and set lilo or grub to give you the
option of booting either.



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Re: [newbie] Symbolic links

2002-11-28 Thread Erik Farnsworth
This example is exactly the reason I didn't offer rm -f as an
option--when in root, it does it...period.  With rm the user is asked to
confirm the delete (and lists what will be deleted) before it is done. 
Good place for a newbie to make sure they are getting what they asked
for.

Erik



On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 18:37, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 04:53, John Richard Smith wrote:
 
  I did it this way,
  
   I cd into directory
  
  then ,
  #rm  libxyz  enter
  
  it asked Yes or no,  Y enter
  
  it seems to remove it.
  
  Am I right.
  
  John
  
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 (Or, login as root, do a cd /, then type rm -rf * - that will certainly
 remove any and all symbolic links...)
 
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Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP

2002-11-27 Thread Erik Farnsworth
If you are going to use fdisk, ONLY use it if you are going to install
XP on a Fat32 partition. NTFS and fdisk don't play together very well.
I've had to fix more installs of Win2000 and XP because a customer
decided to do it themselves and fdisked.  The WinOs installed, but
refused to correctly convert to NTFS...and were very unstable.

The easiest way to do this is totally clear the disk.  I normally use a
program called AutoClave 0.3 .. free program on the internet, boots from
floppy, can be written to a floppy in windows or linux...is a minix
version of linux and you have a 5 level choice from 1 to 25 passes to
zero the disk or sterilize it.

Once the disk is totally 00 , then M$ XP will think it's a brand new
drive and ask to partition/format... and then continue to install.  Once
you have XP installed, use a trial version of Partition Magic or one of
the other partitioning tools that work with XP (NTFS) and resize the
partition, leaving room for the Fat32 partition and the linux
partition.  Create the Fat32 partition and then write it all to disk. 
Boot into XP to make sure it all works.

From there, you should be able to 'restart' and boot the mdk CD1 and
load the OS without interference from XP. Mandrake setup should see the
NTFS and Fat32 partitions (don't let it do anything to them--use expert
mode) and it will see the 'blank' space after those partitions. Because
the drive was put in a 00 state, XP will have written the mbr correctly
and it should no longer be a problem for mdk.

HTH.
Erik



On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 21:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 thanks stephen, but i still got the same problem.
 i believe there is something wrong with my mbr coz mandrake can't read the partition 
table. I don't know much about this thing but i'm willing to do it. I read that 
windows will somehow leave itself on a certain part of the harddisk even if you 
format the drive. Well, i downloaded the program to zero the harddisk here.
 It says this
 This procedure performs a pseudo-formatting to the drive. It erases all of your 
previous data and reinitializes it to 00 pattern. By performing this task, you will 
be able to erase the whole user area including your Master Boot Record, Partition 
Table, FAT (File Allocation Table), and all the files and data it refers to. Use this 
program if you want to be sure your drive is clean.
 
 So my question is, after running this program, can i easily boot up my pc properly? 
as in, i load in my win98 setup disk? Or will it not load at all and i have to fill 
up some other parameters?
 
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Re: [newbie] Problem installing a program

2002-11-24 Thread Erik Farnsworth
made the change, ran ldconfig  Konsole no longer segfaulted...but it
also wouldn't open.

I meant to log out and log back in, but accidently rebooted...Xwindows
started to load, stopped, runlevel changed (3, I think) and booted to
CLI.

I 'undid' the ld.so.config change, ran ldconfig, rebooted and Xwindows
loaded as usual and of course Konsole segfaults again.

Began checking through the core dump files, found ~15 files listed ... 
still checking, but appears that each is symlinked differently in the
/lib/lsb/ directory than in other /lib/ directories. Now I'm looking for
the offending program...one core file was a good piece of an rpm --
possibly a rebuild, but most likely a mucked up install.

Thanks for your reply.
Erik



On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 17:51, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 17:21, Erik Farnsworth wrote:
  Any other listmates following this thread? (FYI--mdk9.0 on a i686) 
  
  I, too, have had problems with Konsole after upgrading to the full Qt
  (Qt3, in my case).  I don't use kmail, so that one isn't an issue for
  me. (It is a hassle shutting down and restarting artsd after booting to
  have system sounds, though.)  Right now, I can do everything I need to
  do in Konsole with a virtual console, so I can get along while figuring
  this out and fixing it.
  
  When I try to open Konsole, I get a segfault and core dump from
  libc.so.6   Tracking down the problem, I've found that in /lib/i686/ and
  /lib/ libc.so.6 it is symlinked to libc-2.2.5.so but in /lib/lsb/ it is
  symlinked to libc-2.2.90.so  Looks like good setup for a conflict...and
  if I try to list the contents of /lib/lsb/ from _inside_ the directory,
  I get a core dump...from _outside_ the directory, with a full path, I
  get the list.
  
  My first inclination is to change the symlink in /lib/lsb/ for lib.so.6
  to point to the libc-2.2.5.so  to match the other two and allow
  libc-2.2.90.so live there, too, in case something needs it.
  
  Before I start changing symlinks, does anyone have an educated guess if
  this is the correct change...or if there is something else I need to fix
  instead?  Also--can changes be made while  running kde, do I need to use
  a window manager other than kde or will I need to boot CD1/rescue to
  make the changes without the filesystem mounted?
  
  TIA,
  Erik
 
 I'm wondering, though - have you made sure that after the upgrade that
 the path to QT3 was in the /etc/ld.so.conf and the likes? If not, you
 need to add it - and then run ldconfig - then try again...
 
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Re: [newbie] Problem installing a program

2002-11-23 Thread Erik Farnsworth
Any other listmates following this thread? (FYI--mdk9.0 on a i686) 

I, too, have had problems with Konsole after upgrading to the full Qt
(Qt3, in my case).  I don't use kmail, so that one isn't an issue for
me. (It is a hassle shutting down and restarting artsd after booting to
have system sounds, though.)  Right now, I can do everything I need to
do in Konsole with a virtual console, so I can get along while figuring
this out and fixing it.

When I try to open Konsole, I get a segfault and core dump from
libc.so.6   Tracking down the problem, I've found that in /lib/i686/ and
/lib/ libc.so.6 it is symlinked to libc-2.2.5.so but in /lib/lsb/ it is
symlinked to libc-2.2.90.so  Looks like good setup for a conflict...and
if I try to list the contents of /lib/lsb/ from _inside_ the directory,
I get a core dump...from _outside_ the directory, with a full path, I
get the list.

My first inclination is to change the symlink in /lib/lsb/ for lib.so.6
to point to the libc-2.2.5.so  to match the other two and allow
libc-2.2.90.so live there, too, in case something needs it.

Before I start changing symlinks, does anyone have an educated guess if
this is the correct change...or if there is something else I need to fix
instead?  Also--can changes be made while  running kde, do I need to use
a window manager other than kde or will I need to boot CD1/rescue to
make the changes without the filesystem mounted?

TIA,
Erik



On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 20:36, Chris wrote:
 On Saturday 23 November 2002 04:37 pm, you said, and I quote:
  Chris,
 
  I took this off the list for now because we may have a several
  correspondence to get this goingquestions and answersand I don't
  want to create any more noise for the list while we are figuring this
  out.  We can always post the solution.  Also, any time something I write
  doesn't make sense to you, let me know...I may have skipped a step or
  not explained thoroughly enough.
 
 HOORAY...sort of, I got qt2, had to go to ftp.trolltech.com and search around 
 for the qt-x11-2.3.2.tar.gz file, got it.  Made the corrections to the 
 profile file you said to, followed the install directions exactly, takes a 
 long time to compile.  Got freaked out though when it was done, couldn't open 
 a terminal, or kmail, didn't try any other apps, logged out and tried to log 
 back in but it kept going to the login screen, so I just decided to reboot 
 and cross my fingers :)  No errors on boot.  Ran the ./configure for kas and 
 it got past the Qt, okthings are looking up, then at the very end I get 
 the error below.  Now I've got to find these files I guess.  What a learning 
 experience this is.  I could just about write a book on the installation of 
 one simple app.  Sure appreciate the help Erik.  BTW...where are you from?  
 I'm here in central Texas.
 
 
 configure: error: no postgres headers found! Make sure that you have the 
 libpq headers: postgres.h libpq/libpq-fs.h
 
 Well, off to find these.
 
 -- 
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   8:21pm  up 2 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.35, 0.21, 0.08
 
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Re: [newbie] urpmi Mandrake Club

2002-11-22 Thread Erik Farnsworth
Just guessing...but  ../hdlist.cz instead of ./hdlist.cz  ??



On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 15:53, Miark wrote:
 I'm having trouble adding Mandrake Club as a urpmi source to
 one of my machines. I get the following message:
 
  Connecting to www.mandrakeclub.com[63.209.80.244]:80... connected.
  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
  16:32:41 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
  ...retrieving failed: wget failed: exited with 1 or signal 0
 
 But I've double-checked the name and password and they're both 
 correct. Anybody else having this trouble? I'm using
 
 urpmi.addmedia club http://blah:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/downloads2/comm/9.0/i586 
with ./hdlist.cz
 
 but with the proper user and pass, of course.
 
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Re: [newbie] Problem installing a program

2002-11-22 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 17:57, Chris wrote:
 On Friday 22 November 2002 12:25 am, you said, and I quote:
  I believe this should fix your problem.  (If anyone out there spots an
  error, please correct as soon as possible for Chris!)
 
  In /etc/profile, add:
 
  QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt2
  PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$PATH
  QT-INCLUDES_PATH=$QTDIR/include:$QT-INCLUDES_PATH
  QT-LIBRARIES_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$QT-LIBRARIES_PATH
 
  export QTDIR PATH QT-INCLUDES_PATH QT-LIBRARIES_PATH
 
  reboot
 
 Erik, I guess I'm just not smart :( attached is my /etc/profile file.  I 
 added what you suggested as you can see, however, now when I reboot I'm 
 getting some postgresyl error, it goes by fast and I have no idea how to 
 pause the boot, another newbie problem.  Anyway, could you please be so kind 
 as to point me in the right direction.  I really appreciate it.
 
 
 -- 
   Regards
   Chris
   Registered Linux user #283774 @ http://counter.li.org
   5:54pm  up 8 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.12, 0.29, 0.18
 
 

 # /etc/profile -*- Mode: shell-script -*- 
 # (c) MandrakeSoft, Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 # Since we're invocated as a login shell set loginsh
 # so that we can avoid sourcing some files twice.
 loginsh=1
 
 # Users generally won't see annoyng core files
 [ $UID = 0 ]  ulimit -S -c 100  /dev/null 21
 
 if ! echo ${PATH} |grep -q /usr/X11R6/bin ; then
 PATH=$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin
 fi
 
 if [ $UID -ge 500 ]  ! echo ${PATH} |grep -q /usr/games ; then
 export PATH=$PATH:/usr/games
 fi
 
 umask 022
 
 USER=`id -un`
 LOGNAME=$USER
 MAIL=/var/spool/mail/$USER
 HISTCONTROL=ignoredups
 HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname`
 HISTSIZE=1000
 
 if [ -z $INPUTRC -a ! -f $HOME/.inputrc ]; then
 INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc
 fi
 
 # some old programs still use it (eg: man), and it is also
 # required for level1 compliance for LI18NUX2000
 NLSPATH=/usr/share/locale/%l/%N
 
 export PATH PS1 USER LOGNAME MAIL HOSTNAME INPUTRC NLSPATH
 export HISTCONTROL HISTSIZE 
 
 for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh ; do
   if [ -x $i ]; then
   . $i
   fi
 done
 
 unset i
 
 QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt2
 PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$PATH
 QT-INCLUDES_PATH=$QTDIR/include:$QT-INCLUDES_PATH
 QT-LIBRARIES_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$QT-LIBRARIES_PATH
 
 export QTDIR PATH QT-INCLUDES_PATH QT-LIBRARIES_PATH
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# /etc/profile -*- Mode: shell-script -*- 
# (c) MandrakeSoft, Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED]

# Since we're invocated as a login shell set loginsh
# so that we can avoid sourcing some files twice.
loginsh=1

# Users generally won't see annoyng core files
[ $UID = 0 ]  ulimit -S -c 100  /dev/null 21

if ! echo ${PATH} |grep -q /usr/X11R6/bin ; then
    PATH=$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin
fi

if [ $UID -ge 500 ]  ! echo ${PATH} |grep -q /usr/games ; then
    export PATH=$PATH:/usr/games
fi

umask 022

USER=`id -un`
LOGNAME=$USER
MAIL=/var/spool/mail/$USER
HISTCONTROL=ignoredups
HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname`
HISTSIZE=1000

if [ -z $INPUTRC -a ! -f $HOME/.inputrc ]; then
    INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc
fi

# some old programs still use it (eg: man), and it is also
# required for level1 compliance for LI18NUX2000
NLSPATH=/usr/share/locale/%l/%N

QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt2
PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$PATH
QT-INCLUDES_PATH=$QTDIR/include:$QT-INCLUDES_PATH
QT-LIBRARIES_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$QT-LIBRARIES_PATH

export PATH PS1 USER LOGNAME MAIL HOSTNAME INPUTRC NLSPATH
export HISTCONTROL HISTSIZE 
export QTDIR PATH QT-INCLUDES_PATH QT-LIBRARIES_PATH

for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh ; do
if [ -x $i ]; then
. $i
fi
done

unset i


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Re: [newbie] Problem installing a program

2002-11-22 Thread Erik Farnsworth
To the group:

I may get the hang of this com-poo-ter yet :(  

I managed to send the appropriate 'mea culpa' to Chris, but not to the
group.  Now I have egg on my face--twice.[you can find me on the
breakfast menu:  two eggs on ham  bg]  Here is the missing beginning
of the above reply:

Chris,

Mybad!  You get the props for all the effort...I get all the
ghost-cheers for failing to give you sufficient information!

Additional information that I needed to supply was that the new entries
to your /etc/profile file needed to be made 'inside' the file (before
the 'unset i' ... and inside the same 'if-fi' set as the other PATH
definitions.

To make sure that I have not mucked up this explanation, I've attached a
corrected file.  I've used your file and have done two cut-n-paste
changes.

Try this again, with the new file (if you actually use my file version,
don't forget to rename it 'profile'--without the quotes).  In addition,
as pointed out by Stormjumper, you apparently don't need to reboot--just
log out of your user account and log back in. (Maybe I spent too many
years adminning an RH Linux ISP Internet server system from a Winblows
desktop?)

As always, if I've made a goof, I'm sure one of our listmates will
kindly supply a correction.

Erik



complete snip


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Re: [newbie] Problem installing a program

2002-11-21 Thread Erik Farnsworth
I believe this should fix your problem.  (If anyone out there spots an
error, please correct as soon as possible for Chris!)

In /etc/profile, add:

QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt2
PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$PATH
QT-INCLUDES_PATH=$QTDIR/include:$QT-INCLUDES_PATH
QT-LIBRARIES_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$QT-LIBRARIES_PATH

export QTDIR PATH QT-INCLUDES_PATH QT-LIBRARIES_PATH

reboot



On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 20:48, Chris wrote:
 I'm trying to install a program called Kaspaliste.  When running
./configure 
 it gets to the very end and reports this:
 
 checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (snapshot = Qt 2.1 beta2) 
 (libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
 
 I have qt2 installed in /usr/lib/qt2, the qt2 libraries in
/usr/lib/qt2/lib 
 and the includes in /usr/lib/qt2/include.  The author suggested I try
the 
 command echo $QTDIR which gives me absolutely nothing.  He then
suggested I 
 point the ./configure to where qt2 is with ./configure 
 --with-qt-dir=/usr/lib/qt2 --with-qt-includes=/usr/lib/qt2/include 
 --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/qt2/lib, I've tried this and of course it
didn't 
 work, I tried adding a / after qt2, include and lib, still get the
checking 
 for QT error.  I've gotten this on other programs I've tried to
install also 
 so what the hell am I doing wrong?  I admint I'm a newbie but I've
gotten 
 other programs to compile and install with no problems.  Thanks to
anyone for 
 any assistance.
 
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Re: [newbie] spell check in open office

2002-11-19 Thread Erik Farnsworth
with MySpell dictionary and hyphenation dictionary installed (en_US)
[mdk 9.0 CD 3], in OO.o, open: Tools  Options  Language Settings 
Writing Aids and then check the first box in the top section (turning on
MySpell spell checker).  In other sections of that window, you can set
the options, including automatic spell checking (incorrectly spelled
words will be underlined in red).  It works fine for me.

HTH.

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 06:43, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
 On Tuesday 19 Nov 2002 9:33 am, joe wrote:
  On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 16:00, Matt Harrison wrote:
   I do have aspell running and my OO still has crappy spell check.  Mine is
   so bad it is even missing words I misspell on purpose to test it.
  
   -Matt
 
  I also have aspell and 3 kinds of English dictionaries installed. I also
  purposely misspelled word to check, ie corrporration, was not picked up.
  It says spell check complete...but it isn't. Once I got an error message
  saying something about checking my settings under tools/options/language
  settings/writing aides, which I did and everything looks good. Myspell
  spell checker is there, looks enabled, thesaurus is there... What else
  could I check? I cant seem to get the same error message again, now it
  always says spell check complete.
 
 I also did spell check. Though I installed English UK as default language, I 
 changed it using tools/options/language settings/languages/ default to 
 English USA. Still It checks the following sentence and says spell check 
 complete without pointing out errors.
 This is tst messege.
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Re: [newbie] iMac and 8.2 PPC

2002-11-14 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 14:49, BCSoftTowerTraining wrote:
 I just tried installing the PPC version of ML 8.2 on my early iMac. Aside
 from the video driver problem which I think can be fixed after install I am
 getting a partitioning error. The dialog box complains that 1 meg is not
 available for a boot partition (or something like that) and says
 installation will continue. I am then returned to the partitioning dialog
 box and the cycle begins again.
 I have formatted the drive as MacOS 8.0 and booted to the ML 8.2 install cd.
 Any help is appreciated.
 tia
 R


With the iMac installation, you will need to have a minimal install of
an AppleOS (8.0 should work fine), followed by a 1MB partition to hold
the bootloader, followed by the free space to add mandrake linux for
ppc.

As long as you have the 1 MB partion and free space, you can allow setup
to decode the partitions for you, or you can use expert mode and do it
manually.  For a system that meets YOUR needs, the manual install is
probably a little better.

As to the video driver:  you need to know what kind of graphics card is
in your machine.  Many of the older iMacs used nVidia...(although Apple
is good at switching whenever it feels like it)  presuming you have
an nVidia card,  at the main boot: prompt, type 'video=riva' (without
the quotes) and then click the Return key.  The setup provides a help
menu (read the messages as the load begins...it tells you what key(s) to
click to get the menu)...and then you can choose the correct addition
for your video card at the boot: prompt.You will find that having the
correct driver from the beginning makes the rest of the install much
easier to read and work with.

Once you have set the params for the video card and made sure you have
the 1MB partition for the bootloader, the install should go very
smoothly.  If you have an external Zip drive for storage (and/or othr
USB bus devices), then you need to make sure it's (they're) attached and
powered so the install can find it (them) and set it (them) up.

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Re: [newbie] networking advice

2002-11-10 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 02:59, John McQuillen wrote: 

snip 

 There is no reason why you can't use an entire class C network at home
 for your 2,3 or 4 host network, besides, the private address range in
 use here is actually a class B (192.168.0.0/16) and there would be no
 problem using that either. It would just mean that you have one network
 and shit loads (256^2-2) of unique host addresses available.
 By using CIDR (Classless Inter Domain Routing) you ignore the native
 class of the network and adjust the mask to suit your requirements of
 unique networks/unique hosts. The tighter you make your mask (adding
 bits to the default class mask), the more unique networks you have
 available, while limiting the amount of unique hosts that you can have
 per network.
 
 By the way, your example is incorrect.
 
 A 29 bit mask (255.255.255.248) will give you 6 possible hosts with 0
 being the network address, 6 hosts, and 7 being the broadcast address.
 
 The way I like to think of it is in lots of 256. 256-248=8, minus 2 for
 your network and broadcast addresses and you are left with 6 possible
 hosts. 256/8=32, so you would be able to have 32 separate networks with
 6 hosts each. There is really no need to go to the trouble of subnetting
 to this extent, however, unless you have need for multiple networks.
 
 I hope that my explanation has been understandable :)
 
 Regards,
 
 John...

Thanks, John!  I do understand...and like your 'lots' of 256' example. 
Guess when I am trying to figure out networks, it would help if I was
awake:( 


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Re: [newbie] networking advice

2002-11-10 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 05:24, Bart Salien wrote: 

snip 
snip 


 I agree with John s explanation , however 192.x.x.x to my knowledge is a 
 class C network with a default mask of 24 = 255.255.255.0
 class B ranges from 128.x.x.x/16 till 191.x.x.x/16 
 class C ranges from 192.x.x.x/24 till 223.x.x.x/24
 
 For most home networks the default mask will be OK , and there is no need for 
 further subnetting , it will only make it more complicated .
 
 Greetings ,
 
 Bart.

Thanks for your response!  I guess I should be awake when I start to try
to figure out a network :( 


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Re: [newbie] Really getting irked...

2002-11-09 Thread Erik Farnsworth
Sorry, mate.  CD3  33.1 MB



On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 03:05, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 I downloaded the NVIDIA drivers for a test machine - not hard to do. Got
 the GLX driver and the source for the NVIDIA driver proper. Not hard to
 do. Started to compile the driver and found : I DON'T HAVE THE DAMN
 KERNEL SOURCES for 2.4.29-16mdk ! Mad mad mad I am now. Searched
 high and low through the file structures - even found that there is a
 softlink in the /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk directory called BUILD which
 is broken. Gads!
 
 Being that I ONLY have the two installation CD's from a magazine promo,
 am I missing that ONE BLOODY VITAL SOURCE RPM that probably lives on the
 THIRD CD - ?? I don't want to download the frigging kernel
 source...and I have a mate that's currently gone for the weekend that
 has the third VITAL CD - or am I chasing ghosts here?
 
 And that really does irk me - because I like to recompile my
 kernels...(as well as have proper video drivers for my X system...)
 
 Any insights, y'all?
 
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Re: [newbie] Really getting irked...

2002-11-09 Thread Erik Farnsworth
33.1MB is the properties listing for the kernel source file.

HTH.
Erik


On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 03:51, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 20:25, Erik Farnsworth wrote:
  Sorry, mate.  CD3  33.1 MB
  
 33.1mb for the whole ISO, or just the kernel?
 
 ...if that's the kernel, I might actually attempt to download it
 tonight...
 
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Re: [newbie] networking advice

2002-11-08 Thread Erik Farnsworth
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 10:45, teddy wl wrote:
 1.for connecting all your PC you need ethernet card
 for every PC. configuring the IP address ex.
 192.168.1.0/24 if you do not understand the IP you
 must read the basic of TCP/IP or i sugestion to you,
 to enter this address for your PC's :
 PC 1 : 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
 PC 2: 192.168.1.2 netmask same above
 PC 3:192.168.1.3 netmask same above
 PC 4: 192.168.1.4 netmask same above
 

I'm a little confused here.  with the example above (and I admit that I
have never worked with a home network that included Windows machines)...
I would expect to see:

network base address:192.168.1.0/29
or   192.168.1.0  netmask: 255.255.255.248
PC 1:192.168.1.1
PC 2:192.168.1.2
PC 3:192.168.1.3
PC 4:192.168.1.4
broadcast address:   192.168.1.5

I have seen several examples of networking as stated above by
Teddy...but don't understand how that setup would be 'legal' (in the
networking sense) and would work properly.  I would expect a netmask of
255.255.255.0 for each of the machines would indicate that each machine
was authoritative for an entire Class C network.

I plan to set up my own home network soon (no windows machines, but
several linux PCs and a mandrake iMac and an OS X iBook)...and I want to
do it correctly, but without 'overkill'.  Could someone with networking
experience add a few cents to this, please?

TIA.

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