Re: [newbie]{off topic} Installing 10.1 Official without ISO cds

[Aron Smith]

On Saturday 30 October 2004 02:21 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:58:40 -0400
>
> Greg Meyer disseminated the following:
> > > Wow. My only question is: what's wrong with the dozens of GB of space
> > > on one's HD?
> >
> > It's accessible from any Internet enabled computer
>
> So is my computer, if I so wish. POP, IMAP, whatever. This whole 'give me
> convenience or give me death' thing has gone a bit far methinks...
OMG I actualyagree with Joe about this one web based mail sucks

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Re: [newbie]{off topic} Installing 10.1 Official without ISO cds

[JoeHill]

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:58:40 -0400
Greg Meyer disseminated the following:

> > Wow. My only question is: what's wrong with the dozens of GB of space on
> > one's HD?
> 
> It's accessible from any Internet enabled computer

So is my computer, if I so wish. POP, IMAP, whatever. This whole 'give me
convenience or give me death' thing has gone a bit far methinks...

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Re: [newbie]{off topic} Installing 10.1 Official without ISO cds

[Greg Meyer]

On Saturday 30 October 2004 02:57 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:51:41 +1300
>
> shaz disseminated the following:
> > 1Gb mail space
>
> Wow. My only question is: what's wrong with the dozens of GB of space on
> one's HD?

It's accessible from any Internet enabled computer
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Re: [newbie]{off topic} Installing 10.1 Official without ISO cds

[Paul Smith]

> > 1Gb mail space
> 
> Wow. My only question is: what's wrong with the dozens of GB of space on one's
> HD?

JoeHill,

In my case, I have an old computer without dozens of GB on the HD. On
the other hand, my ISP does not allow me to check my e-mail when the
Internet connection is established through a different ISP... so, I
cannot read my own e-mail archives when I am at work, for instance.

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Re: [newbie]{off topic} Installing 10.1 Official without ISO cds

[JoeHill]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:51:41 +1300
shaz disseminated the following:

> 1Gb mail space

Wow. My only question is: what's wrong with the dozens of GB of space on one's
HD?

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Re: [newbie]{off topic} Installing 10.1 Official without ISO cds

[Aron Smith]

On Saturday 30 October 2004 01:51 pm, shaz wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 05:57, Aron Smith wrote:
> > On Saturday 30 October 2004 09:07 am, Greg Meyer wrote:
> > > You guys with gmail addresses are a pain in the neck ;-).  I know you
> > > cannot change the reply-to setting, so I only blame you for using the
> > > system, not setting it up properly.  This is the third time in the last
> > > twenty-four hours I have had to resend a reesponse to the list that I
> > > found in my sent after not seeing it show up on the list.  In every
> > > case, the poster was sending from a gmail address.
> >
> > Gmail seems to be not ready for prime time... what is so great about it?
>
> 1Gb mail space
that's a lot of spam there. Seriously most of us have no need for that much 
mail space usualy I archive mine to cd when my system has about 500 megs 
stored.

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Re: [newbie]{off topic} Installing 10.1 Official without ISO cds

[shaz]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 05:57, Aron Smith wrote:
> On Saturday 30 October 2004 09:07 am, Greg Meyer wrote:
> > You guys with gmail addresses are a pain in the neck ;-).  I know you
> > cannot change the reply-to setting, so I only blame you for using the
> > system, not setting it up properly.  This is the third time in the last
> > twenty-four hours I have had to resend a reesponse to the list that I
> > found in my sent after not seeing it show up on the list.  In every case,
> > the poster was sending from a gmail address.
>
> Gmail seems to be not ready for prime time... what is so great about it?

1Gb mail space


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Re: [newbie]{off topic} Installing 10.1 Official without ISO cds

[Aron Smith]

On Saturday 30 October 2004 09:07 am, Greg Meyer wrote:
> You guys with gmail addresses are a pain in the neck ;-).  I know you
> cannot change the reply-to setting, so I only blame you for using the
> system, not setting it up properly.  This is the third time in the last
> twenty-four hours I have had to resend a reesponse to the list that I found
> in my sent after not seeing it show up on the list.  In every case, the
> poster was sending from a gmail address.
Gmail seems to be not ready for prime time... what is so great about it?

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[Hoyt Bailey]

On Thursday 30 September 2004 12:03, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 03:34, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> > I upgraded my 10.0 laptop: no complaints!
> > My desktop though, is one hell of a mess. Xorg won't play nice with
> > my 2.4 kernel and kyros graphic cardso I stuck in an old
> > geforce 2 but that's messy too (using the generic drivers).
> >
> > I'll do a second clean install on a spare partition for checking
> > (and slackware10 as well, for comparison:))
>
> You're using XOrg on 10.0?
Yes:
/usr/lib/menu/xorg-x11
/usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig
/usr/X11R6/bin/xorgcfg
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/xorg.cf
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/xorg.tmpl
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/xorgsite.def
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/getconfig/xorg.cfg
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xorg.conf.eg
/usr/X11R6/man/man1/xorgconfig.1x.bz2
/usr/X11R6/man/man1/xorgcfg.1x.bz2
/usr/X11R6/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.bz2
/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg
/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg-it.lst
/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst
/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.xml
/etc/X11/xorg.conf


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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Thursday 30 September 2004 19:03, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> You're using XOrg on 10.0?
No, upgraded 10.0 to 10.1.
Got it running by removing the old XF86Config-4 and letting XFdrake do the 
work...downer: How do I get my wacom tablet to work using 
Xorg? 
Just copying the lines kills X at start-up:(

Autologin is broken too. Doesn't bother me but the rest of the folks here are 
giving me mean looks:-/

Oh well, tomorrow I'll do the fresh install.
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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[Stephen Kühn]

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 03:34, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:

> I upgraded my 10.0 laptop: no complaints!
> My desktop though, is one hell of a mess. Xorg won't play nice with my 2.4 
> kernel and kyros graphic cardso I stuck in an old geforce 2 but 
> that's messy too (using the generic drivers).
> 
> I'll do a second clean install on a spare partition for checking (and 
> slackware10 as well, for comparison:))

You're using XOrg on 10.0?

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Wednesday 29 September 2004 09:03, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 21:58, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> > On Tuesday 28 September 2004 06:42, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> > > Today 06:42:36
> > >
> > > Anyone know the address for re-addressing the off-toping crud?
> > >
> > > --
> > > stephen kuhn
> >
> > Gee, it was so quiet over here I thought the list was
> > down ...own own ..own!
> >
> > Judging by the echo, this hall of fame is has just been evacuated.
> > Somebody drop something  somewhere again or is 10.1 really that good?
>
> Smart Arse.
>
> And NO, 10.1 isn't as good as you might think; wait for 10.2 OE
>
I upgraded my 10.0 laptop: no complaints!
My desktop though, is one hell of a mess. Xorg won't play nice with my 2.4 
kernel and kyros graphic cardso I stuck in an old geforce 2 but 
that's messy too (using the generic drivers).

I'll do a second clean install on a spare partition for checking (and 
slackware10 as well, for comparison:))


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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[Stephen Kühn]

On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 10:13, et wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 September 2004 11:13, Paul wrote:
> > Op Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:29:48 -0400 schreef Lyvim Xaphir:
> > >What's off-toping crud?
> >
> > An anagram for off-topic ngrud.
> hey. I resemble that remark...
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED],

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fought the bull. And then he fought me. And when we finished there were
no winners, just men doing what men must do. [...] "Stop the car," the
girl said. There was a look of terrible sadness in her eyes. She knew
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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[Stephen Kühn]

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 22:29, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 00:42, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> > Anyone know the address for re-addressing the off-toping crud?
> 
> What's off-toping crud?
> 
> LX

Weaver's "Mandrake Off-Topic List"(since no one here ever does IRC)

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[Stephen Kühn]

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 22:04, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> On Monday 27 September 2004 23:42, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> > Anyone know the address for re-addressing the off-toping crud?
> >
> /dev/null or spam folder.

Not where I end up PUTTING IT, but where I GET it...der...

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[Stephen Kühn]

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 21:58, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 September 2004 06:42, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> > Today 06:42:36
> >
> > Anyone know the address for re-addressing the off-toping crud?
> >
> > --
> > stephen kuhn
> 
> Gee, it was so quiet over here I thought the list was 
> down ...own own ..own!
> 
> Judging by the echo, this hall of fame is has just been evacuated. Somebody 
> drop something  somewhere again or is 10.1 really that good?

Smart Arse.

And NO, 10.1 isn't as good as you might think; wait for 10.2 OE

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[et]

On Tuesday 28 September 2004 11:13, Paul wrote:
> Op Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:29:48 -0400 schreef Lyvim Xaphir:
> >What's off-toping crud?
>
> An anagram for off-topic ngrud.
hey. I resemble that remark...

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Tuesday 28 September 2004 15:00, M.Schild wrote:
> > is 10.1 really that good?
> > --
>
> yep
> Maryse

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 00:42, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> Anyone know the address for re-addressing the off-toping crud?

What's off-toping crud?

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[Paul]

Op Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:29:48 -0400 schreef Lyvim Xaphir:

>What's off-toping crud?

An anagram for off-topic ngrud.

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[M.Schild]

> is 10.1 really that good?
> --


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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[Hoyt Bailey]

On Monday 27 September 2004 23:42, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> Anyone know the address for re-addressing the off-toping crud?
>
/dev/null or spam folder.

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Tuesday 28 September 2004 06:42, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> Today 06:42:36
>
> Anyone know the address for re-addressing the off-toping crud?
>
> --
> stephen kuhn

Gee, it was so quiet over here I thought the list was 
down ...own own ..own!

Judging by the echo, this hall of fame is has just been evacuated. Somebody 
drop something  somewhere again or is 10.1 really that good?
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Re: [newbie] Off topic list?

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Saturday 27 December 2003 06:33 am, ronald wrote:

-> from a general mailinglist archive
->
-> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/
->
-> ronald

Ah, thanks!

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Re: [newbie] Off topic list?

[ronald]

Op zaterdag 27 december 2003 12:32, schreef Ronald J. Hall:


> Odd that, the screen where I searched for it at was nothing at all like the
> B&W screen your link pointed to - was that under Mailing list archives on
> the Mandrake home page?

from a general mailinglist archive

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/

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Re: [newbie] Off topic list?

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Saturday 27 December 2003 06:13 am, ronald wrote:

-> yes I did :-) and came up with this
->
-> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbie&m=104542996332678&w=2
->
-> is this the one Ronald?
->
-> HTH  ronald

Yes, I believe thats it - thanks!

Odd that, the screen where I searched for it at was nothing at all like the 
B&W screen your link pointed to - was that under Mailing list archives on the 
Mandrake home page?

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Re: [newbie] Off topic list?

[ronald]

Op zaterdag 27 december 2003 11:57, schreef Ronald J. Hall:
> Hmm, I seem to have lost the instructions on how to subsribe to the off
> topic list since I changed HD's and upgraded to v9.2 of Mandrake. I
> searched the Maling List archives, but have you ever searched there for
> "off topic"?
>

yes I did :-) and came up with this

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbie&m=104542996332678&w=2

is this the one Ronald?

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic: Printing to on PDF

[Aron Smith]

On Mon, 2003-05-26 at 06:09, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Monday 26 May 2003 1:26 am, Cody Harris wrote:
> > Ok ok, i know someone's going to yell at me, but, i want to print
> > multiple documents to a PDF to fax. The part people are going to
> > yell at me for it that i need to know how to do it in windows. I
> > have 3 scanned pictures that i want to fax, but i don't know how to
> > do it at once.
> >
> pdfs in windows tend to come from expensive packages, though I believe 
> there is one called pdf factory which I think is shareware or at 
> least not expensive.  You might try a google for that.
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] Off Topic (post to list)

[Dennis Myers]

On Sunday 25 August 2002 03:46 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Sunday 25 Aug 2002 2:56 am, you wrote:
> >
> > I found it hard to believe, but I left one usenet group because the
> > flaming got so bad - and it was mainly about this topic!  Sad to say, the
> > main flamers were those who made extremely rude remarks about anyone who
> > through choice or necessity used windows.  I had thought that linux users
> > were aware of the advantage of choice.
> >
> > Anne
>
> One word: Fanaticism.  *Shrugs* happens in a lot of areas of life sadly.

It is also very tribal. "you are not of my tribe and therefore you are bad and 
must be eliminated."   Mankind  has not as yet grown out of adolescence. I 
hope we can before we go on a binge and wipe ourselves out. 
Ooh, this is morbid, new subject is in order. Anyone? : )
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Re: [newbie] Off Topic (post to list)

[et]

yea know, some things are too good to resist
< start wise&dumbAss remarks>
On Saturday 24 August 2002 06:38 pm, you wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:09, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Thursday 22 Aug 2002 12:30 pm, you wrote:
> > > I must apologise to everyone on this list.
a, don't bother and really "Must", maybe, should, ought to, but 
"MuSt" reay...

> >  > After i replied to a couple
> > > of postings  i realised i'd messed up! Posted at TOP not Bottom. Purely
> > > unintentional and please forgive me. Any flame gracefully accepted at
> > > this point. Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > I doubt if you'll get flames here.  But seriously, though, it can be a
> > lot harder to follow what's happening if some posts are above and some
> > below on a thread - particularly since they don't always arrive in your
> > mailbox in the right order, so you are reading quotes to follow the
> > arguments.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Anne
don't you hate when someone declares as "fact" what ever their personal 
opinions are... it's a fact that you should. (just my opinion)


> Fact 1: A quote exists "Variety is the spice of life".
hey, that was the pick-up line that weird swinger couple used as why I should 
"stay for dinner" 

> Fact 2: Some people get passionate about silly things.
see remark for fact 1
> Fact 3: You will not be able to stop bottom posters posting at the bottom,
> nor top posters posting at the top.
so.. us "interspersed" posters don't even exist in your little universe? what 
about me?
> So when replying to a thread if the thread has top posting, then reply top;
> if it has bottom posting then reply at the bottom i.e. don't mix.
>
> If you disagree then ignore... don't buy into an ulcer.
one of the neatest things I like one my keyboard, is the key right below 
"insert" (logitec wireless) is the "delete" key. works like a charm... 
and I strongly suggest that anyone having read my drivel to this point would 
do well to find that key and USE it!!!

ET
damn, I may have to got the doctor to get this tongue from sticking all the 
way through my cheek 



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Re: [newbie] Off Topic (post to list)

[FemmeFatale]

Anne Wilson wrote:
> 
> On Sunday 25 Aug 2002 2:56 am, you wrote:

> I found it hard to believe, but I left one usenet group because the flaming
> got so bad - and it was mainly about this topic!  Sad to say, the main
> flamers were those who made extremely rude remarks about anyone who through
> choice or necessity used windows.  I had thought that linux users were aware
> of the advantage of choice.
> 
> Anne
> 

One word: Fanaticism.  *Shrugs* happens in a lot of areas of life sadly.
-- 
Femme

Good Decisions You boss Made:

"We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux.  I've always liked that
character from Peanuts."

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic (post to list)

[Anne Wilson]

On Sunday 25 Aug 2002 2:56 am, you wrote:
> Michael Adams wrote:
> >On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:09, Anne Wilson wrote:
>
> >Fact 1: A quote exists "Variety is the spice of life".
> >
> >Fact 2: Some people get passionate about silly things.
> >
> >Fact 3: You will not be able to stop bottom posters posting at the bottom,
> >nor top posters posting at the top.
> >
> >So when replying to a thread if the thread has top posting, then reply
> > top; if it has bottom posting then reply at the bottom i.e. don't mix.
> >
> >If you disagree then ignore... dont buy into an ulcer.

Doesn't worry me over much, and generally I do as you suggest, but a thread 
where some answers are above and some below get very difficult to follow.

>
> You mean some people get serious about this kind of thing?  reminds me
> of big-endians vs. little-endians.
>

I found it hard to believe, but I left one usenet group because the flaming 
got so bad - and it was mainly about this topic!  Sad to say, the main 
flamers were those who made extremely rude remarks about anyone who through 
choice or necessity used windows.  I had thought that linux users were aware 
of the advantage of choice.

Anne



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Re: [newbie] Off Topic (post to list)

[et]

On Thursday 22 August 2002 07:30 am, you wrote:
> I must apologise to everyone on this list. After i replied to a couple of
> postings  i realised i'd messed up! Posted at TOP not Bottom. Purely
> unintentional and please forgive me. Any flame gracefully accepted at this
> point. Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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Re: [newbie] Off Topic (post to list)

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 22 Aug 2002 12:30 pm, you wrote:
> I must apologise to everyone on this list. After i replied to a couple of
> postings  i realised i'd messed up! Posted at TOP not Bottom. Purely
> unintentional and please forgive me. Any flame gracefully accepted at this
> point. Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>


I doubt if you'll get flames here.  But seriously, though, it can be a lot 
harder to follow what's happening if some posts are above and some below on a 
thread - particularly since they don't always arrive in your mailbox in the 
right order, so you are reading quotes to follow the arguments.

Cheers

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Re: [newbie] Off topic question

[Marc]

8/11/02 7:30:27 AM, et <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Sunday 11 August 2002 07:58 am, you wrote:
>>This is way off topic for this group but from what I have seen here I
>> know that I can trust what ever answer I get.
>> The question I have is will a new Athlon XP mobo fit in the same case
>> and use the same power supply as a old P3 mobo?  I do realise that the
>> power supply should be at least 300 W.  I am trying to upgrade on the
>> cheep.
>>
>>   Thanks in advance
>> Marc
>most likely. do you have a small case? or is it a "minitower or normal 
>desktop?
>
>
>
It is a normal desktop if memory serves me right it is what is called a mid size 
tower. However it is all a moot point now. I went shopping for a mobo and ended 
up getting a barebones computer with the XP 1800 processer and 256 MB of 
DDR memory with the intension of useing the drives from the old machine. Next 
thing I knew my neighbor offered to buy the old machine and I found myself 
ordering a new 60 GB hard drive and DVD CD drive. At least I was able to stop 
myself before I ordered a GB or 2 of memory.
   Now I am trying to figure out the next problem. I still have a bunch of serial 
devices and playing the game of conctantly switching serial cables around and 
useing switch boxes is getting kinda old. At one time I remember seeing a card 
somewhere to convert a PCI slot into 2 or 4 serial ports. I also remember seeing a 
similar device for converting a USB port to 1 or more serial ports.
Have any of you folks used any of these devices with Mandrake? If so did they 
work allright?

Thanks
Marc





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Re: [newbie] Off topic question

[et]

On Sunday 11 August 2002 07:58 am, you wrote:
>This is way off topic for this group but from what I have seen here I
> know that I can trust what ever answer I get.
> The question I have is will a new Athlon XP mobo fit in the same case
> and use the same power supply as a old P3 mobo?  I do realise that the
> power supply should be at least 300 W.  I am trying to upgrade on the
> cheep.
>
>   Thanks in advance
> Marc
most likely. do you have a small case? or is it a "minitower or normal 
desktop?




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Re: [newbie] Off topic question

[Marc]

8/11/02 7:26:46 AM, civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Marc wrote:
>
>>   This is way off topic for this group but from what I have seen here I know that 
I 
>>can trust what ever answer I get.
>>The question I have is will a new Athlon XP mobo fit in the same case and 
use 
>>the same power supply as a old P3 mobo?  I do realise that the power supply 
>>should be at least 300 W.  I am trying to upgrade on the cheep.
>>
>>  Thanks in advance
>>Marc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
>>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
>>
>Well Mobos come in threecommon persuasions, mostly, these days, ATX, 
>microATX and Flex with a few NLX types left around and a few old ATs 
>fast being totally superannuated.
>
>ATX is the largest and microATX and FlexATX should (TM) fit those cases. 
> If your P3 is an ATX, then any AthlonXP board from a manufacturer for 
>retail boards should fit.  The one exception wouls be the backplate that 
>covers the connectors extending off the board, however you can run 
>without it and many mobo manufacturers supply a press-in backplate with 
>the mobo.
>
>In an InWin 500D Case with a 180W power supply, I have an ASUS A7N266-
VM 
>with 512M DDR and an Athlon XP 2200, two heavy drives (IDE 40 and 60 G) 
>and a single CDRW/DVD drive.  It runs quite well.  The board is a Micro ATX
>
>Civileme
>
>
>
>
   Thanks for the super Fast reply!  It is great to have info from a trusted sorce. I 
am afraid I still have a great deal to learn but with great resorces like the folks on 
this list how can a person go wrong.

Marc





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Re: [newbie] Off topic question

[Dan LaBine]

Yup. Should work without any modifications, but add an extra cooling fan
inside the case. Should cost you less than $10.00 from a retailer.

Lanman

- Original Message -
From: "Marc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:58 AM
Subject: [newbie] Off topic question


>This is way off topic for this group but from what I have seen here I
know that I
> can trust what ever answer I get.
> The question I have is will a new Athlon XP mobo fit in the same case
and use
> the same power supply as a old P3 mobo?  I do realise that the power
supply
> should be at least 300 W.  I am trying to upgrade on the cheep.
>
>   Thanks in advance
> Marc
>
>
>
>






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Re: [newbie] Off topic question

[civileme]

Marc wrote:

>   This is way off topic for this group but from what I have seen here I know that I 
>can trust what ever answer I get.
>The question I have is will a new Athlon XP mobo fit in the same case and use 
>the same power supply as a old P3 mobo?  I do realise that the power supply 
>should be at least 300 W.  I am trying to upgrade on the cheep.
>
>  Thanks in advance
>Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
>
Well Mobos come in threecommon persuasions, mostly, these days, ATX, 
microATX and Flex with a few NLX types left around and a few old ATs 
fast being totally superannuated.

ATX is the largest and microATX and FlexATX should (TM) fit those cases. 
 If your P3 is an ATX, then any AthlonXP board from a manufacturer for 
retail boards should fit.  The one exception wouls be the backplate that 
covers the connectors extending off the board, however you can run 
without it and many mobo manufacturers supply a press-in backplate with 
the mobo.

In an InWin 500D Case with a 180W power supply, I have an ASUS A7N266-VM 
with 512M DDR and an Athlon XP 2200, two heavy drives (IDE 40 and 60 G) 
and a single CDRW/DVD drive.  It runs quite well.  The board is a Micro ATX

Civileme





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Re: [newbie] Off topic? How things are going with Linux...

[daRcmaTTeR]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 07:17:12 -0800
Grant Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> studiouisly spake these words to ponder:

> Well you know why Moses spent 40 years wandering through the desert?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Even back them men wouldnt stop and ask for directions.
> 
> 

well...I'm speachless. I can't believe some of the other guys on this list don't 
actually know the answer to this question. I've known the answer to this question for 
quite a long time.

the reason guys don't ask for directions is because it's in our genes to "hunt" and 
"gather". it's the thrill of the hunt, for cryin out loud. womenfolk just took 
advantage of this knowledge early on one day when one of their husbands "appeared" to 
not know where he was going when actually all he was doing was just enjoying the 
"hunt!"

-- 
daRcmaTTeR
-
If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do
the first time!

Registered Linux User 182496
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-
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Re: [newbie] Off topic? How things are going with Linux...

[Grant Fraser]

Well you know why Moses spent 40 years wandering through the desert?




Even back them men wouldnt stop and ask for directions.





On Wednesday 26 December 2001 04:33, you wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 December 2001 17:26, Mark Weaver wrote:
> |  -
> |  If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do
> |  the first time!
>
> yeah... what is it with men?  ; )
>
> I have to bite my tongue (daily I swear) so as not to say "I told you so"
> or "if only you'd listen!" 
>
> skinky


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Re: [newbie] Off topic? How things are going with Linux...

[skinky]

On Wednesday 26 December 2001 17:26, Mark Weaver wrote:
|  -
|  If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do
|  the first time!


yeah... what is it with men?  ; )

I have to bite my tongue (daily I swear) so as not to say "I told you so" 
or "if only you'd listen!" 

skinky
-- 
But what ... is it good for?
(Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, 
commenting on the microchip)



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Re: [newbie] Off topic? How things are going with Linux...

[Doug Lerner]

Well, like I said it was just one thing I heard in one report. I don't
know or even think it is true, if for no other reason than sheer cost!

doug


[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wednesday, December 26, 2001):

>On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:18:12 +0900
>Doug Lerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> studiouisly spake these words to ponder:
>
>> Some people say a lot of Linux people are leaving Linux for OS X. Have
>> you heard anything about that? I use OS X in my daily work, and it is
>> nice, but I am also interested in Linux for (1) less dependency on one
>> company (Apple) and (2) cost (you can have lots of machines relatively
>> inexpensively) and also Linux seems faster than either Windows or OS X. 
>> 
>> Of course the "polished application" base of both Mac and Windows is
>> still better.
>> 
>> doug
>
>thats the most disgusting, vile fabrication I've ever heard. what on
>earth would ever cause a Linux developer to want to do something So
>haneously atrocious? 
>
>the very thought is just plain gross!
>-- 
>daRcmaTTeR
>-
>If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do
>the first time!
>
>Registered Linux User 182496
>Mandrake 8.1
>-
> 11:05pm  up 9 days, 14:54,  1 user,  load average: 0.02, 0.09, 0.08
>
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Re: [newbie] Off topic? How things are going with Linux...

[Mark Weaver]

On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:18:12 +0900
Doug Lerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> studiouisly spake these words to ponder:

> Some people say a lot of Linux people are leaving Linux for OS X. Have
> you heard anything about that? I use OS X in my daily work, and it is
> nice, but I am also interested in Linux for (1) less dependency on one
> company (Apple) and (2) cost (you can have lots of machines relatively
> inexpensively) and also Linux seems faster than either Windows or OS X. 
> 
> Of course the "polished application" base of both Mac and Windows is
> still better.
> 
> doug

thats the most disgusting, vile fabrication I've ever heard. what on earth would ever 
cause a Linux developer to want to do something So haneously atrocious? 

the very thought is just plain gross!
-- 
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-
If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do
the first time!

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Re: [newbie] Off topic? How things are going with Linux...

[Doug Lerner]

Some people say a lot of Linux people are leaving Linux for OS X. Have
you heard anything about that? I use OS X in my daily work, and it is
nice, but I am also interested in Linux for (1) less dependency on one
company (Apple) and (2) cost (you can have lots of machines relatively
inexpensively) and also Linux seems faster than either Windows or OS X. 

Of course the "polished application" base of both Mac and Windows is
still better.

doug


[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tuesday, December 25, 2001):

>On Monday 24 December 2001 12:47, you wrote:
>> On Monday 24 December 2001 11:13 am, you wrote:
>> > Now that I found a nice OS and a nice group of people to talk about
>> > technical issues in Mandrake Linux I am wondering - how is the market
>> > share of Linux coming along? Growing? Is OS X having good/bad effects on
>> > Linux?
>> >
>> > doug
>>
>> Well, it took a nose dive a while back, but it bounced back up to bout
>> where it was when it was first offered.  But I kinda expect it to start
>> going up now.  Didn't you  hear about the ibm deal?
>>
>> -s
>Actually the "market share" is increasing and I expect it to hit a critical 
>mass and really take off, but for now it seems to be encroaching more on the 
>unix shares than the Microsoft or Apple shares.  Time will tell, especially 
>with the M$ fee structure and the way the software is making a lot of folks 
>unhappy. Just my $.02, 
>-- 
>Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842
>
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Re: [newbie] Off topic? How things are going with Linux...

[Dennis Myers]

On Monday 24 December 2001 12:47, you wrote:
> On Monday 24 December 2001 11:13 am, you wrote:
> > Now that I found a nice OS and a nice group of people to talk about
> > technical issues in Mandrake Linux I am wondering - how is the market
> > share of Linux coming along? Growing? Is OS X having good/bad effects on
> > Linux?
> >
> > doug
>
> Well, it took a nose dive a while back, but it bounced back up to bout
> where it was when it was first offered.  But I kinda expect it to start
> going up now.  Didn't you  hear about the ibm deal?
>
> -s
Actually the "market share" is increasing and I expect it to hit a critical 
mass and really take off, but for now it seems to be encroaching more on the 
unix shares than the Microsoft or Apple shares.  Time will tell, especially 
with the M$ fee structure and the way the software is making a lot of folks 
unhappy. Just my $.02, 
-- 
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Re: [newbie] Off topic? How things are going with Linux...

[s]

On Monday 24 December 2001 11:13 am, you wrote:
> Now that I found a nice OS and a nice group of people to talk about
> technical issues in Mandrake Linux I am wondering - how is the market
> share of Linux coming along? Growing? Is OS X having good/bad effects on
> Linux?
>
> doug

Well, it took a nose dive a while back, but it bounced back up to bout where 
it was when it was first offered.  But I kinda expect it to start going up 
now.  Didn't you  hear about the ibm deal?

-s




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Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC - about the ridiculous 8.0 betaresponse

[Adrian Smith]

no kidding.
get a life people.
or get a web site and post you venting there.
all the whining is far more offensive than the original comment.



Adrian Smith
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Telecom Dept.
x 7042
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>>> Jay needs a Guinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12:10:43 PM 3/7/01 >>>
In this day of political correctness we always have to be wary of what and 
how we say it.  I, for one, am NOT politically correct.  I refuse to be 
offended by what anybody says on a mailing list and my suggestion is, if you 
are offended by a comment (or my signature line...remember that one) just 
ignore the comment or delete the offending message.  Stop flooding the inbox 
with ridiculous replies about how you feel about it, for it is redundant and 
uncalled for.  
-- 
Jay
~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~
http://www.mrsnooky.com 
http://celtic.free 

Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC 8.0 beta response

[Ed Tharp]

just to keep this up... (with tongue firmly implanted in right cheek) and
when did the almighty leave you in charge to decide what is or is NOT
"political correctness" (ands heck ain't you from an island name Ireland,
if-n you-n a Celt? and by the way do you all know what the phrase (excuse
please my "phonic" spelling in Gaelic, since I no speaky Gaelic) "Pugg ma
whin" means? I have this "Irish" neighbor who hollers it to me every morning
as he leaves for work and has to squeeze his car past my penguin-mobile. I
think it must mean "what a cool car" ... or something like that...



and also... the almighty left a message that NO human today has ANY right to
decide who and what will be judged.
let him who is, do his work, and the rest of us will do what we can
let he how has ears hear. for there is no one so deaf as he who will not
hear.
- Original Message -
From: "Jay needs a Guinness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 2:10 PM
Subject: [newbie] OFF TOPIC - about the ridiculous 8.0 beta response


> In this day of political correctness we always have to be wary of what and
> how we say it.  I, for one, am NOT politically correct.  I refuse to be
> offended by what anybody says on a mailing list and my suggestion is, if
you
> are offended by a comment (or my signature line...remember that one) just
> ignore the comment or delete the offending message.  Stop flooding the
inbox
> with ridiculous replies about how you feel about it, for it is redundant
and
> uncalled for.
> --
> Jay
> ~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~
> http://www.mrsnooky.com
> http://celtic.free
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC - about the ridiculous 8.0 beta response

[Tom Brinkman]

On Wednesday 07 March 2001 01:10 pm, Jay needs a Guinness wrote:
> In this day of political correctness we always have to be wary of what
> and how we say it.  I, for one, am NOT politically correct.  I refuse to
> be offended by what anybody says on a mailing list and my suggestion is,
> if you are offended by a comment (or my signature line...remember that
> one) just ignore the comment or delete the offending message.  Stop
> flooding the inbox with ridiculous replies about how you feel about it,
> for it is redundant and uncalled for.

Amen!  The best thing to do on any public mailing lists is ignore off 
handed remarks, sarcasm, insults, rants, etc. as much as possible.  It's 
even more ridiculous to keep responding to out of control threads with
'stop this thread' posts.

The best way to get any obnoxious member to settle down is to ignore 
them.  Often they get the message and become valuable members.
-- 
Dale Earnhardt,  the greatest stock car driver ever, 
 he's won his 8th and  His Greatest Championship
  Tom Brinkman   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Galveston Bay

Re: [newbie] Off topic, I but need some advice guys! ;)

[graham]

>my free advice:  purchase everything seperately.  when i look at these high
>end systems for 3000 and such, i really think you can make a system just as
>good or better piece by piece.

>of course, if you are poor folk like me, they you don't have much choice to
go >with an integrated & cheap system.  or save up money over the long
term.

Certainly building your own is very rewarding - I can't imagine ever buying
an off the shelf PC again.  It's not a great deal cheaper, but if you
already have a PC you can retain the monitor, keyboard, mouse, disk drive,
CD Rom and just concentrate on the box initially.

Graham

Re: [newbie] Off topic, I but need some advice guys! ;)

[Charley & Peggy Robinson]

  I'm a Linux newbie but I've been building and selling custom PCs for
years.  I'd agree on building your own.  My advice is to go to the AMD
board and get one of the AMD-recommended MOBOs for an Athlon CPU.  Also, 
stay away from the all-in-one boards.  Better to have plug in sound,
MODEM,
video, etc, so that if one dies you can replace it economically.  One
other thing, make sure the MOBO allows booting from selected HDD. Makes
this dual-boot biznizz lots easier. ;^)

  CR

Re: [newbie] Off topic, I but need some advice guys! ;)

[Anthony]

Thanks Guys!  ;))


On Wednesday 07 February 2001 14:13, you wrote:
> I would tend to agree with Tom. I personally have been messing with
> building PC's for years. My suggestion is to buy the best parts and build
> your own.
>
> Moose
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:31 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Off topic, I but need some advice guys! ;)
>
> On Wednesday 07 February 2001 11:24 am, Kuis A. Sanes wrote:
> > Hi guys,;)
> >  I am considering buying a new pc, my search have begun with
> > pricing on the top of the list.
>
>  http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews.shtml   there's plenty of other
> linux orientated hardware sites including compatibility lists. I
> strongly urge you to ignore recommendations/reviews on "magazine"
> webpages (eg, C-net, PCmag, ZDnet, etc).  They for the most part
> recommend hardware from their advertisers.  Also ignore "Windoze" type
> reviews. What works very well with Winblows, might not work at all with
> Linux.
>
> > Price: $468.00
>
>   The old adage, "you get what you pay for".  The very foundation of
> any system, a decent motherboard costing $90 up, a good case/power
> supply (300watt) a min. of $50+, a decent _hardware_ modem at $50+
> .. these will not be found in any low end ready made.  Also, try to
> _avoid_ integrated (into the mobo) as much as possible, eg, video,
> sound, modem.  IMO, you'd be better off looking at AMD based systems
> (Athlon/Duron/VIA) than an Intel/Celeron/i8xx deal, both for price and
> quality.

-- 
"Bloated confidence can impair the reality of the situation"

Tony

Re: [newbie] Off topic, I but need some advice guys! ;)

[Tom Brinkman]

> On Wednesday 07 February 2001 12:31 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
>
>Yeah, I'm replyin to my own post, but as others have responded to
> this thread, buildin your own is really the only way to get quality
> compatible hardware now-a-days, ready mades have never been a good   
> choice
>  http://www4.tomshardware.com/howto/01q1/010115/index.html
>
>Keep in mind tho, this article is slanted towards what works with
> Windoze, more research is needed to ensure Linux compatibility,
> including the evil necessity for closed source drivers, and if they
> are even available, for things like sound and video cards.
>
> One point I believe this article implies, and I'd like to stress,
> Tom chose just about the best and most expensive motherboard. In his
> alternative choices, I'd have chosen the Abit kt7 as it has NO
> integrated peripheals.  Most important tho is NEVER cut corners on a
> motherboard  this precludes buying ANY ready made. I also think
> Tom is being very charitable when he says "Although mass products [ie
> ready mades] of more or less acceptable quality are offered by Dell,
> Gateway,."
>
> He's being tactful, I'd of said 'poor, limited, corner cutting,
> and proprietary substandard' in place of 'acceptable' ;>

-- 
Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Galveston Bay

Re: [newbie] Off topic, I but need some advice guys! ;)

[Adrian Smith]

ok, I'm giving out free advice.  being as i own a $400 comcrap, i mean compaq 
(what is up with corporations who can't spell?  i remember when i was spelled compack) 
but i agree avoid the integrated stuff.  my sound / video / motherboard are all one.  
is one dies, they all die.

my free advice:  purchase everything seperately.  when i look at these high end 
systems for 3000 and such, i really think you can make a system just as good or better 
piece by piece.  

of course, if you are poor folk like me, they you don't have much choice to go with an 
integrated & cheap system.  or save up money over the long term.

in a perfect world -- i'd go with building my own system.



Adrian Smith
'de telepone dude
Telecom Dept.
x 7042
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RE: [newbie] Off topic, I but need some advice guys! ;)

[Kelly, Christopher]

I would tend to agree with Tom. I personally have been messing with building
PC's for years. My suggestion is to buy the best parts and build your own.

Moose


-Original Message-
From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Off topic, I but need some advice guys! ;)


On Wednesday 07 February 2001 11:24 am, Kuis A. Sanes wrote:
> Hi guys,;)
>  I am considering buying a new pc, my search have begun with
> pricing on the top of the list. 

 http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews.shtml   there's plenty of other 
linux orientated hardware sites including compatibility lists. I 
strongly urge you to ignore recommendations/reviews on "magazine" 
webpages (eg, C-net, PCmag, ZDnet, etc).  They for the most part 
recommend hardware from their advertisers.  Also ignore "Windoze" type 
reviews. What works very well with Winblows, might not work at all with 
Linux.

> Price: $468.00

  The old adage, "you get what you pay for".  The very foundation of 
any system, a decent motherboard costing $90 up, a good case/power 
supply (300watt) a min. of $50+, a decent _hardware_ modem at $50+ 
. these will not be found in any low end ready made.  Also, try to 
_avoid_ integrated (into the mobo) as much as possible, eg, video, 
sound, modem.  IMO, you'd be better off looking at AMD based systems 
(Athlon/Duron/VIA) than an Intel/Celeron/i8xx deal, both for price and 
quality.
-- 
Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Galveston Bay

Re: [newbie] Off topic, I but need some advice guys! ;)

[Tom Brinkman]

On Wednesday 07 February 2001 11:24 am, Kuis A. Sanes wrote:
> Hi guys,;)
>  I am considering buying a new pc, my search have begun with
> pricing on the top of the list. 

 http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews.shtml   there's plenty of other 
linux orientated hardware sites including compatibility lists. I 
strongly urge you to ignore recommendations/reviews on "magazine" 
webpages (eg, C-net, PCmag, ZDnet, etc).  They for the most part 
recommend hardware from their advertisers.  Also ignore "Windoze" type 
reviews. What works very well with Winblows, might not work at all with 
Linux.

> Price: $468.00

  The old adage, "you get what you pay for".  The very foundation of 
any system, a decent motherboard costing $90 up, a good case/power 
supply (300watt) a min. of $50+, a decent _hardware_ modem at $50+ 
. these will not be found in any low end ready made.  Also, try to 
_avoid_ integrated (into the mobo) as much as possible, eg, video, 
sound, modem.  IMO, you'd be better off looking at AMD based systems 
(Athlon/Duron/VIA) than an Intel/Celeron/i8xx deal, both for price and 
quality.
-- 
Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Galveston Bay

Re: [newbie] off-topic (mysql)

[Larry Marshall]

> The manual that comes with ever installation of MySQL is probably the best
>  documentation that I've ever seen for this application.

Mark, are you referring to "info MySQL" here?

Cheers --- Larry

Re: [newbie] off-topic (mysql)

[Mark Weaver]

The manual that comes with ever installation of MySQL is probably the best
documentation that I've ever seen for this application.

-- 
Mark

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On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, KompuKit wrote:

> I'd like to get mysql up and running...so I can use it for 
> a webring DB...can someone suggest a real good tutorial
> on getting it running...and setup
> preferably, step by step...and really not hard.?
> 

Re: [newbie] off-topic (mysql)

[Larry Marshall]

> I'd like to get mysql up and running...so I can use it for 
>  a webring DB...can someone suggest a real good tutorial
>  on getting it running...and setup
>  preferably, step by step...and really not hard.?

If it were me I'd run out and buy one of the two O'Reilly Press books on MySQL,
most like the one that's simply titled "MySQL."

Cheers --- Larry

Re: [newbie] off-topic (webring-app)

[Brian King]

Try http://hotscripts.com

KompuKit wrote:

> Can someone tell me where I can get an APP or cgi-script
> of some sort..to HOST a WEBRING...on my server?
>
> FREE, of course
> --
>  Registered Linux User:167369
> <=KompuKit=>
> Kit Goins   ICQ# 7110071
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lowell, Mass.
> Web Designerhttp://kitdesigns.bizhosting.com
> WebServer:  http://kompukit.dyndns.org
> (Server Runs between M - F 6pm-12am, S & S 12pm-12am EST)
> <=KompuKit=>

Re: [newbie] off-topic (webring-app)

[jon roig]

I think I've seen some over at http://www.cgi-resources.com

(damn... startin' to feel like an ad for those guys)
-- jon

On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, KompuKit wrote:

> Can someone tell me where I can get an APP or cgi-script
> of some sort..to HOST a WEBRING...on my server?
> 
> FREE, of course
> 

Re: [newbie] Off topic longest time mail reject I have ever had

[Denis HAVLIK]

:~> Never in five years have I had a mail lost this long..the US
:~>postal service is faster than E-mail? I did not want to send the whole
:~>reject to the list, but in the header was addresses of daemon in the
:~>UK...the MDK machine is in the UK? I thought France.

Nope. our mail server is in the US AFAIK.

cu
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Re: [newbie] off topic (but not really)

[Alan Shoemaker]

basculesheesh, I just reread your orininal message and
can't for the life of me figure out how I wrote that response
to it.  Sorry, I guess I was preoccupied or asleep or
something, duh!! Yeah, EOT is good. :-)

Alan


bascule wrote:
> 
> thats the point alan, netscape clearly has an option to 'when deleting a
> message locally, remove it from the server' in the mail server>edit>pop
> preferences yet this doesn't appear to work for me, thats all. a new
> client shouldonly be downloading a few messages because thats all i keep
> locally , the others i assumed were being deleted from the server as
> indicated by the option, apparently not
> 
> up to recently i've been keeping my messages on the serveras there
> weren't many and it was a useful form of backup, now i've joined a few
> lists the total number of messages has shot up, which is why i've
> noticed that messages aren't being deleted, i'll decide soon what i'm
> going to do, leave then or lose all of them, if i choose to backup is
> there a particular way or do i just save the file pairs in my
> netscape\..\mail directory?
> 
> anyway i think i've dragged this topic pretty wide of the list, so i'm
> going to cease my own input
> 
> thanks for getting back to me
> 
> bascule
> 
> p.s.
> 
> i complained direct to txu blah blah and guess what?
> they complained about the complaint!
> 
> Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> >
> > basculeyou can't write to a mail server, so where do you
> > think the info as to what your last downloaded email was, is
> > stored?  On your computer, saved somewhere by the mail
> > client.  So when you change mail clients, the new client has
> > no idea about what you've alread downloaded, so it downloads
> > everything available on the server.
> >
> > Why do you keep mail on the server, your isp will not like
> > that eventually, unless you purge the server every so often by
> > allowing it to kill the mail afterbyou've downloaded it.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > bascule wrote:
> > >
> > > this is only vaguely related to this list but i figure a lot of people
> > > here use netscape and i have a question:
> > >
> > > i use netscape 4.72 128 bit in windows98 (modem doesn't work in linux
> > > but i have strong suspicion this is a hardware fault caused by lightning
> > > strike!)
> > > i have 'leave messages on server' option on preferences ticked with
> > > 'delete messages on server if deleted locally' selected also (this is
> > > not an option if the former is not checked,
> > > however messages on my isp server are not being deleted, ifound out when
> > > i tried netscape 6 pre release and it wanted to download thousands and
> > > thousands of messages!
> > >
> > > is this a bug perhaps, any one else had this, i am in communication with
> > > my isp as well but i wondered if any one else had ever come across this,
> > >
> > > if i'm not careful then i could be responsible for people on the list
> > > receiving 'message bounced' emails if i use up my message quota,
> > >
> > > not wishing to cause annoyance i am trying to nip this in the bud while
> > > i can.
> > >
> > > bascule

Re: [newbie] off topic (but not really)

[bascule]

thats the point alan, netscape clearly has an option to 'when deleting a
message locally, remove it from the server' in the mail server>edit>pop
preferences yet this doesn't appear to work for me, thats all. a new
client shouldonly be downloading a few messages because thats all i keep
locally , the others i assumed were being deleted from the server as
indicated by the option, apparently not

up to recently i've been keeping my messages on the serveras there
weren't many and it was a useful form of backup, now i've joined a few
lists the total number of messages has shot up, which is why i've
noticed that messages aren't being deleted, i'll decide soon what i'm
going to do, leave then or lose all of them, if i choose to backup is
there a particular way or do i just save the file pairs in my
netscape\..\mail directory?

anyway i think i've dragged this topic pretty wide of the list, so i'm
going to cease my own input 

thanks for getting back to me

bascule

p.s.

i complained direct to txu blah blah and guess what?
they complained about the complaint!

Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> 
> basculeyou can't write to a mail server, so where do you
> think the info as to what your last downloaded email was, is
> stored?  On your computer, saved somewhere by the mail
> client.  So when you change mail clients, the new client has
> no idea about what you've alread downloaded, so it downloads
> everything available on the server.
> 
> Why do you keep mail on the server, your isp will not like
> that eventually, unless you purge the server every so often by
> allowing it to kill the mail afterbyou've downloaded it.
> 
> Alan
> 
> bascule wrote:
> >
> > this is only vaguely related to this list but i figure a lot of people
> > here use netscape and i have a question:
> >
> > i use netscape 4.72 128 bit in windows98 (modem doesn't work in linux
> > but i have strong suspicion this is a hardware fault caused by lightning
> > strike!)
> > i have 'leave messages on server' option on preferences ticked with
> > 'delete messages on server if deleted locally' selected also (this is
> > not an option if the former is not checked,
> > however messages on my isp server are not being deleted, ifound out when
> > i tried netscape 6 pre release and it wanted to download thousands and
> > thousands of messages!
> >
> > is this a bug perhaps, any one else had this, i am in communication with
> > my isp as well but i wondered if any one else had ever come across this,
> >
> > if i'm not careful then i could be responsible for people on the list
> > receiving 'message bounced' emails if i use up my message quota,
> >
> > not wishing to cause annoyance i am trying to nip this in the bud while
> > i can.
> >
> > bascule

Re: [newbie] off topic (but not really)

[bascule]

it appears that i am lucky, my isp tells me that i have no limit so i
guess won't be causing any bounce backs, still a strange phenomenon
though, i leave messages on the server as a backup for the number of
times i have to reinstall (i'm lazy i know) but having joined a few
lists it's getting a little unfeasible,
i'll just have let them go.

bascule

"F. E. Schaper" wrote:
> 
> In most cases ISP's have a space limit set for users...I know for my hosting
> company it is 50MB...my site files and such take up 40 or so MB leaving me
> with 10MB for mail (for which I have 6 or 7 POP3 boxes setup)...since you
> said that you had thousands and thousands of messages I am kind of surprised
> that your ISP did not inform you, you were going over your limit...that is
> assuming you have one, which if you do not is also surprising in itself.
> 
> I know it seems like a pain, but you should consider yourself  lucky...also
> unless there is really no way to avoid it you should try not to keep your
> mail on the server.
> 
> Just my $.02
> 
> Fritz
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: bascule <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 12:28 PM
> Subject: [newbie] off topic (but not really)
> 
> > this is only vaguely related to this list but i figure a lot of people
> > here use netscape and i have a question:
> >
> > i use netscape 4.72 128 bit in windows98 (modem doesn't work in linux
> > but i have strong suspicion this is a hardware fault caused by lightning
> > strike!)
> > i have 'leave messages on server' option on preferences ticked with
> > 'delete messages on server if deleted locally' selected also (this is
> > not an option if the former is not checked,
> > however messages on my isp server are not being deleted, ifound out when
> > i tried netscape 6 pre release and it wanted to download thousands and
> > thousands of messages!
> >
> > is this a bug perhaps, any one else had this, i am in communication with
> > my isp as well but i wondered if any one else had ever come across this,
> >
> > if i'm not careful then i could be responsible for people on the list
> > receiving 'message bounced' emails if i use up my message quota,
> >
> > not wishing to cause annoyance i am trying to nip this in the bud while
> > i can.
> >
> > bascule
> >
> >
> >

Re: [newbie] off topic (but not really)

[Andrew Scotchmer]

On Tue, 09 May 2000, you wrote:
> 
> i have 'leave messages on server' option on preferences ticked with
> 'delete messages on server if deleted locally' selected also (this is
> not an option if the former is not checked,
> however messages on my isp server are not being deleted, ifound out when
> i tried netscape 6 pre release and it wanted to download thousands and
> thousands of messages!

> bascule

You probably want this option for a particular reason.  Have you tried it 
with the option of deleting messages from the server on download.  That 
way you will know if it is a problem at their end or yours
 --  
Andrew
Blackburn
England

-- The fun is in
   what you cannot do --

Re: [newbie] off topic (but not really)

[F. E. Schaper]

In most cases ISP's have a space limit set for users...I know for my hosting
company it is 50MB...my site files and such take up 40 or so MB leaving me
with 10MB for mail (for which I have 6 or 7 POP3 boxes setup)...since you
said that you had thousands and thousands of messages I am kind of surprised
that your ISP did not inform you, you were going over your limit...that is
assuming you have one, which if you do not is also surprising in itself.

I know it seems like a pain, but you should consider yourself  lucky...also
unless there is really no way to avoid it you should try not to keep your
mail on the server.

Just my $.02

Fritz

- Original Message -
From: bascule <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 12:28 PM
Subject: [newbie] off topic (but not really)


> this is only vaguely related to this list but i figure a lot of people
> here use netscape and i have a question:
>
> i use netscape 4.72 128 bit in windows98 (modem doesn't work in linux
> but i have strong suspicion this is a hardware fault caused by lightning
> strike!)
> i have 'leave messages on server' option on preferences ticked with
> 'delete messages on server if deleted locally' selected also (this is
> not an option if the former is not checked,
> however messages on my isp server are not being deleted, ifound out when
> i tried netscape 6 pre release and it wanted to download thousands and
> thousands of messages!
>
> is this a bug perhaps, any one else had this, i am in communication with
> my isp as well but i wondered if any one else had ever come across this,
>
> if i'm not careful then i could be responsible for people on the list
> receiving 'message bounced' emails if i use up my message quota,
>
> not wishing to cause annoyance i am trying to nip this in the bud while
> i can.
>
> bascule
>
>
>

Re: [newbie] off topic

[Terence J. Golightly]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, Oder Santos wrote:
> I don't know if this is a off topic question but I have no idea where can I
> find  alt.os.linuxmandrake in a public news server. Does anyone have any
> information? Thanks in advance. Oder.


Oder,

try alt.os.linux.mandrake

terry

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Re: [newbie] off topic

[Rainer Lindenmaier]

Oder Santos schrieb:

> I don't know if this is a off topic question but I have no idea where can I
> find  alt.os.linuxmandrake in a public news server. Does anyone have any
> information? Thanks in advance. Oder.

there's a newsgroup  alt.os.linux.mandrake

jogger

Re: [newbie] off topic

[The Russells]

Hi Oder,

It is alt.os.linux mandrake.  I have it on the news server that my ISP
subscribes to.  Note the space between linux and mandrake.  Sometimes those
news servers can be finicky.  Maybe that's why you aren't finding it.  Did
you try running a search at deja.com?

Thanks,
Kathleen

Re: [newbie] Off Topic but good

[Mike Corbeil]

Try the Perl mailing lists and newsgroups, if you don't find an answer
here.  One location which supports several mailing lists is at

http://www.activestate.com

That isn't Perl for  Unix or Linux, and instead for win32, but
you might get an answer there.   Otherwise, you'll need to search
the internet for mailing lists or newsgroups.

mike
 

Phil Lamey wrote:
 

Cheers Group,

    Someone sent
me this question and it has me clueless.   Cna anyone provide
any insight on a solution that would work for both Linux and Winblows?

Thanks,

Phil Lamey
 

Hey Phil. I've got a Perl question for you. Do you know
how to send an email, preferably with an attachment in perl. Without having
to send an HTTP request to some isp?

Thanks.

Mike.
 

RE: [newbie] Off Topic but good

[Phil Lamey]

Title: RE: [newbie] Off Topic but good





Cheers Group,


    Someone sent me this question and it has me clueless.   Cna anyone provide any insight on a solution that would work for both Linux and Winblows?

Thanks,


Phil Lamey




Hey Phil. I've got a Perl question for you. Do you know how to send an email, preferably with an attachment in perl. Without having to send an HTTP request to some isp?

Thanks.


Mike.

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic Sorta) SCO<->Linux

[Matt Stegman]

You may need to recompile your kernel, or at least compile a module for
the SCO filesystem (System V?).  Also, your kernel will need to support
iBCS (Intel Binary Compatibility Standard); I don't know if Mandrake does
this by default.  

-Matt Stegman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This is a stretch. But...
> Speaking of SCO.  Is it possible for Linux to read SCO disks?  I have dBase IV
> for SCO, (really, it is a licensed copy), and would like to try to install on
> Linux, but I can't mount the floppy.
> I get an error saying wrong filesystem, bad superblock, etc.. no matter which
> filesystem I try to mount as..
> 
> Bad disks or bad user?

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic Sorta) SCO<->Linux

[John Aldrich]

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, you wrote:
> This is a stretch. But...
> Speaking of SCO.  Is it possible for Linux to read SCO disks?  I have dBase IV
> for SCO, (really, it is a licensed copy), and would like to try to install on
> Linux, but I can't mount the floppy.
> I get an error saying wrong filesystem, bad superblock, etc.. no matter which
> filesystem I try to mount as..
> 
I could be wrong on this, but I *thought* Linux would read
just about any *nix drive. You may have to make disk
images (does the "dd" command work in SCO?) copy the images
to your Linux box, re-write 'em using the dd command the
other way and see if that works.
Basically what you'd need to do (assuming "dd" works under
SCO) is dd if=/dev/fd0 (or equivalent) of=
and then just reverse the process when you get the image
files onto your linux system.
John

Re: [Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC !]

[Steve Philp]

Jaguar wrote:
> 
> Steve
> That makes a ton of sense.  Anything to help a newbie get better aquainted
> with a new OS.
> As a side point, you mention SuSE, and Caldera... I have L-M 6.0 installed and
> I have some old distro's of those and a few other's.  Now L-M supports RPM's
> and other _package_ installs.  Is it worth while to browse these other
> distro's for MORE software ( given the fact that LIBS and stuff get indtalled
> also)??

Both of the other distributions that you mention (SuSE and Caldera)
package their distribution using RPM as well.  This makes it a little
easier to "cut and paste" between the two because you have a .src.rpm
available on the other distribution.  
A quick rebuild of the binary package from the source would ensure that
it's using the updated libraries available on your new system.

The one thing I _would_ do is check for updated packages.  Alot of times
there are updates since the other distribution shipped.

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC !]

[Jaguar]

Steve
That makes a ton of sense.  Anything to help a newbie get better aquainted
with a new OS.
As a side point, you mention SuSE, and Caldera... I have L-M 6.0 installed and
I have some old distro's of those and a few other's.  Now L-M supports RPM's
and other _package_ installs.  Is it worth while to browse these other
distro's for MORE software ( given the fact that LIBS and stuff get indtalled
also)??
TIA
Jaguar

Steve Philp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> For the current extremes, you'd have to look at something like Mandrake
> which ships a "normal" distribution.  For the most part, it's no more or
> less like any of the other big distributions (save one, but I'll get to
> that).  Take a look at the package list and you'll find the same
> packages in Mandrake that you'll likely find in Caldera.  Contrast that
> with SuSE and you'll find that Mandrake is rather conservative in the
> things they include.  SuSE ships with applications and utilities that I
> haven't seen in 6 years of Linux use!  Sure, it's nice to have all the
> choices, but the installation must seem extremely daunting to a new
> user.
> -- 
> Steve Philp
> Network Administrator
> Advance Packaging Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC !

[Steve Philp]

Joachim Holst wrote:
> 
> On tor, 25 nov 1999, you wrote:
> > Joachim Holst wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi !
> > >
> > > I've just joined this list, and I wonder why the h?ck is there so much
> > > debate about getting EI to run on a Linux system ?? Isn't it better to get
> > > Mozilla in working order giving us an alternativ to propriety software ??
> >
> > Yes!  It's of immensely more importance to get Mozilla stable.
> > Unfortunately, old habits die hard and people want to stick with
> > software they've used before.  I have a feeling that THAT (or quite
> > possibly, people just want to troll the mailing list for reactions) is
> > the reason for the IE postings.
> 
> You could have a point there, and now I have reacted. I don't join a
> mailinglist concerning Linux to get updates on the possibility of porting an MS
> app to Linux.
> 
> Another thing about IE, is that a Swedish computer magazine (PC+) made a survey
> of what browsers were most used. Of cuorse, IE won the race, but it doesn't
> really mean a thing. I mean, that if someone gave you a pre installed machine
> with window maker for example and you don't know about alternatives, then why
> should you use for example KDE or Gnome insteas. May it be that KDE or Gnome ar
> far superior to Windowmaker when it comes to usability for Linux starters.
> Hope you get my point here. Think I lost it somewhere..

Actually, that's a very good point.  Think of Red Hat and Mandrake on
both sides of this coin.  Red Hat prefers to ship their distribution
defaulting to GNOME.  Mandrake ships theirs defaulting to KDE.  Is one
superior to the other?  In technical ways, probably.  In political ways,
probably.  Do they both allow you to simply get your work done?  Yes. 
For that, neither is superior to the other.

However, the interesting question is the one you raise:  given the
default desktop, how many people actively seek out other alternatives? 
I'd imagine it's probably a small percentage, probably those who've used
other desktops/window managers previously.

Could a Linux distribution survive (or alternately, keep it's customers
happy) concentrating on one desktop?  I'm not familiar enough with
Corel's new offering to know whether they ship GNOME, but it could be an
interesting path for them to completely concentrate on a single desktop.

Personally, I'd love for a distribution to do it.  Ship a single
desktop.  Ship a single set of applications created/molded to that
desktop.  Do away with the 15 choices of editors/mp3 players/mail
readers/etc.  For sure, it would be a much more compact installation. 
It would also be much easier from a quality control aspect since you'd
be dealing with 1/3 to 1/2 the applications.  Anyone know of a
distribution currently taking that route?

For the current extremes, you'd have to look at something like Mandrake
which ships a "normal" distribution.  For the most part, it's no more or
less like any of the other big distributions (save one, but I'll get to
that).  Take a look at the package list and you'll find the same
packages in Mandrake that you'll likely find in Caldera.  Contrast that
with SuSE and you'll find that Mandrake is rather conservative in the
things they include.  SuSE ships with applications and utilities that I
haven't seen in 6 years of Linux use!  Sure, it's nice to have all the
choices, but the installation must seem extremely daunting to a new
user.
-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC !

[Joachim Holst]

On tor, 25 nov 1999, you wrote:
> i hear the beast is buying up linux. remember i while ago, when aohell
> supposedly merged with netscape, when aol was in with ms. this isn't
> over yet. if all else fails. Follow The Money!
> 
> my preferences: netscape over irritate-explorer
> anyother 0.x os over winx-trust 
> 
> 

If I understand the GPL correctly, that's impossible. 
I believe that GPL says something that you must distribute the source code
together with the software or make it easily available to whoever wants it.
The Linux kernel and many if not most of the programs that come with a
distribution follow this licence, it would be impossible for any company to
keep the source code closed. I welcome MS to try and make their own *nix
version which I believe they tryed once. I guess that that's something they
need to do if they want to make something good.

Personally, my preferences are like follows:
Netscape as a web browser (also use KFM) and an operating system that allows ME
to make the desitions of how to run and what to do whitout having to pay major
$ to a company.
There might be a possibility that IE could get ported to Linux (shouldn't be to
har using existing Unix source), but MS is as I percieve in war with us (users
of alternative operating systems especially Linux). No one has officially
pronounced war, but M$ is putting quite a bit of mony to the task to make Linux
look like an inferior operating system. They even have devoted serverspace on
their own servers to this task.


> > Hi !
> > 
> > I've just joined this list, and I wonder why the h?ck is there so much
> > debate about getting EI to run on a Linux system ?? Isn't it better to get
> > Mozilla in working order giving us an alternativ to propriety software ??
> > 

/Jocke!
-- 

... The free UNIX operating system
  :::'  ...  ..
  :::  *  ::.::'
  ::: .::  .:.::.  .:: .::  ::. :'
  :::  ::   ::  ::  ::  ::   :::.
  ::: .::. .::  ::.  . .:'  ::.
..:::.::'   ..

Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC !

[Joachim Holst]

On tor, 25 nov 1999, you wrote:
> Joachim Holst wrote:
> > 
> > Hi !
> > 
> > I've just joined this list, and I wonder why the h?ck is there so much
> > debate about getting EI to run on a Linux system ?? Isn't it better to get
> > Mozilla in working order giving us an alternativ to propriety software ??
> 
> Yes!  It's of immensely more importance to get Mozilla stable. 
> Unfortunately, old habits die hard and people want to stick with
> software they've used before.  I have a feeling that THAT (or quite
> possibly, people just want to troll the mailing list for reactions) is
> the reason for the IE postings.

You could have a point there, and now I have reacted. I don't join a
mailinglist concerning Linux to get updates on the possibility of porting an MS
app to Linux.

Another thing about IE, is that a Swedish computer magazine (PC+) made a survey
of what browsers were most used. Of cuorse, IE won the race, but it doesn't
really mean a thing. I mean, that if someone gave you a pre installed machine
with window maker for example and you don't know about alternatives, then why
should you use for example KDE or Gnome insteas. May it be that KDE or Gnome ar
far superior to Windowmaker when it comes to usability for Linux starters.
Hope you get my point here. Think I lost it somewhere..

/Jocke!
-- 

... The free UNIX operating system
  :::'  ...  ..
  :::  *  ::.::'
  ::: .::  .:.::.  .:: .::  ::. :'
  :::  ::   ::  ::  ::  ::   :::.
  ::: .::. .::  ::.  . .:'  ::.
..:::.::'   ..

Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC !

[Seth Gibson]

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, you wrote:
> i hear the beast is buying up linux. remember i while ago, when aohell
> supposedly merged with netscape, when aol was in with ms. this isn't
> over yet. if all else fails. Follow The Money!
Um. . .buying up linux from who?  since no one really owns linux that would
be kinda diff. . .the best they could do is release their own distro i think. .
..

--

Seth Gibson
www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710
members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction)
The Functional Design of the UNIX Operating System is probably one of the
few truly beautiful things left in the world.

Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC !

[touco]

i hear the beast is buying up linux. remember i while ago, when aohell
supposedly merged with netscape, when aol was in with ms. this isn't
over yet. if all else fails. Follow The Money!

my preferences: netscape over irritate-explorer
anyother 0.x os over winx-trust 



Joachim Holst wrote:
> 
> Hi !
> 
> I've just joined this list, and I wonder why the h?ck is there so much
> debate about getting EI to run on a Linux system ?? Isn't it better to get
> Mozilla in working order giving us an alternativ to propriety software ??
> 
> /Jocke!
> ---
> The New Testament offers the basis for modern computer coding theory,
> in the form of an affirmation of the binary number system.
> 
> But let your communication be Yea, yea; nay, nay: for
> whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
> -- Matthew 5:37

Re: [newbie] OFF TOPIC !

[Steve Philp]

Joachim Holst wrote:
> 
> Hi !
> 
> I've just joined this list, and I wonder why the h?ck is there so much
> debate about getting EI to run on a Linux system ?? Isn't it better to get
> Mozilla in working order giving us an alternativ to propriety software ??

Yes!  It's of immensely more importance to get Mozilla stable. 
Unfortunately, old habits die hard and people want to stick with
software they've used before.  I have a feeling that THAT (or quite
possibly, people just want to troll the mailing list for reactions) is
the reason for the IE postings.

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Joseph S. Gardner]

Ripcrd6 wrote:

> Whoops.   I am wrong.  I apologize.   It's John Nugent who has all those
> domains registered.   I take back all I said about you.   But the guys
> business is suspect since a whois or reverse lookup of domains w/ .linux
> come up as invalid w/ NAI and all other services.
> Brian
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph S. Gardner <)
>
> >Ripcrd6 wrote:
> >
> >> Also, Joseph Gardener's name appears in a few places on the site.
> >> Especialy if you use their Whois and check some of the major distros.
> >> My $0.05 (inflation)
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Brian,
> >
> >And how in G_d's name did you seem to find my name ( which you mis-spelled
> by
> >the way ) to attempt to drag through the mud.  Since I have no affiliation
> >with the site / service in question I would be VERY certain of your
> >accusations BEFORE you put it in print and post it.  I consider myself a
> >professional and pride myself on my integrity, tolerance and patience, so
> lets
> >call this a freebie.  If I have misread your statement I apologize, if not
> >well...
> >
> >
> >Joseph S. Gardner
> >Cleveland, OH
> >

Apology accepted.

Joseph S. Gardner
Senior Designer / Technical Support
Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Ripcrd6]

Whoops.   I am wrong.  I apologize.   It's John Nugent who has all those
domains registered.   I take back all I said about you.   But the guys
business is suspect since a whois or reverse lookup of domains w/ .linux
come up as invalid w/ NAI and all other services.
Brian

-Original Message-
From: Joseph S. Gardner <)


>Ripcrd6 wrote:
>
>> Also, Joseph Gardener's name appears in a few places on the site.
>> Especialy if you use their Whois and check some of the major distros.
>> My $0.05 (inflation)
>> Brian
>>
>>
>
>Brian,
>
>And how in G_d's name did you seem to find my name ( which you mis-spelled
by
>the way ) to attempt to drag through the mud.  Since I have no affiliation
>with the site / service in question I would be VERY certain of your
>accusations BEFORE you put it in print and post it.  I consider myself a
>professional and pride myself on my integrity, tolerance and patience, so
lets
>call this a freebie.  If I have misread your statement I apologize, if not
>well...
>
>
>Joseph S. Gardner
>Cleveland, OH
>

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Joseph S. Gardner]

Ripcrd6 wrote:

> Also, Joseph Gardener's name appears in a few places on the site.
> Especialy if you use their Whois and check some of the major distros.
> My $0.05 (inflation)
> Brian
>
>

Brian,

And how in G_d's name did you seem to find my name ( which you mis-spelled by
the way ) to attempt to drag through the mud.  Since I have no affiliation
with the site / service in question I would be VERY certain of your
accusations BEFORE you put it in print and post it.  I consider myself a
professional and pride myself on my integrity, tolerance and patience, so lets
call this a freebie.  If I have misread your statement I apologize, if not
well...


Joseph S. Gardner
Cleveland, OH

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Ripcrd6]

Also, Joseph Gardener's name appears in a few places on the site.
Especialy if you use their Whois and check some of the major distros.
My $0.05 (inflation)
Brian

-Original Message-
From: Dan Brown <


>From: Joseph S. Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Perhaps a friendly reminder is far better than a stab in the back,
>especially
>> since it appears he was simply trying to help out fellow "tuxters"
>
>No, it appears that he was attempting to hawk his ill-thought-out
>service, while giving the appearance that he just happened to run across
>this neat site.  That's problem #1.  Problem #2 is that his service seems
to
>violate numerous conventions of the net.
>

RE: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Ken Wilson]

Fred,

I think you're missing the point.  Legal or not, it comes across as some
carnival huckster who thinks we are just a bunch of schmoes.  Take it an
pedal it somewhere else and don't insult our intelligence.

Ken Wilson
First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
irrelevant
(Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of fred
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 12:28 PM
> To: Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)
>
>
>
> > More than just that:
> > shameless promotion of an *illegal* product that *won't ever work*.
> >
> > You can't just create a TLD all of your own and ask ISPs to
> list you as a
> > root nameserver.
> > There's nothing that prevents me from doing the same for
> just the same
> > TLD, and where will that get us?
>
> Anyone can do this and its not illegal.  Wrong.
>

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Dan Brown]

From: Joseph S. Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Perhaps a friendly reminder is far better than a stab in the back,
especially
> since it appears he was simply trying to help out fellow "tuxters"

No, it appears that he was attempting to hawk his ill-thought-out
service, while giving the appearance that he just happened to run across
this neat site.  That's problem #1.  Problem #2 is that his service seems to
violate numerous conventions of the net.

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Steve Philp]

fred wrote:
> 
> > More than just that:
> > shameless promotion of an *illegal* product that *won't ever work*.
> >
> > You can't just create a TLD all of your own and ask ISPs to list you as a
> > root nameserver.
> > There's nothing that prevents me from doing the same for just the same
> > TLD, and where will that get us?
> 
> Anyone can do this and its not illegal.  Wrong.

I notice you conveniently ignore the portion about it being against the
terms of service of this mailing list.  

Please, we're here to help and learn, not to buy DNS service.

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[fred]

> More than just that:
> shameless promotion of an *illegal* product that *won't ever work*.
> 
> You can't just create a TLD all of your own and ask ISPs to list you as a
> root nameserver.
> There's nothing that prevents me from doing the same for just the same
> TLD, and where will that get us?

Anyone can do this and its not illegal.  Wrong.

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Joseph S. Gardner]

John Aldrich wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > Also, you are in clear violation of the terms you agreed to by subscribing
> > to this mailing list.
> >
> So?? Why don't you guys just kick him off
> John

Perhaps a friendly reminder is far better than a stab in the back, especially
since it appears he was simply trying to help out fellow "tuxters"


Joe

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[John Aldrich]

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> Also, you are in clear violation of the terms you agreed to by subscribing
> to this mailing list.
> 
So?? Why don't you guys just kick him off
John

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Ripcrd6]

Tasty, mysterious, very salty, comes in a can.   Yes, it's definitely SPAM!
Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam.   Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam.  We hate Spam, Spam.
"If you ask me, those boys are Spam in a can."  Quote (probably garbled)
from The Right Stuff

Brian
-Original Message-
From: Ken Wilson <



>Well, it's spam.  Keep it out of the mailing list please.
>
>Ken Wilson
>First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
>irrelevant
>(Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of fred
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 3:42 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)
>>
>>
>> Off topic  http://www.linuxnic.net
>> Spam? I guess a bit of shameless promotion -:)
>> Blame me directly at the above email if you are bent.
>>
>>
>> Cheers.
>>

RE: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Singer XJ Wang]

Plus, its kinda of illlegal :)


On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Ken Wilson wrote:

> Well, it's spam.  Keep it out of the mailing list please.
> 
> Ken Wilson
> First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
> irrelevant
> (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of fred
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 3:42 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)
> >
> >
> > Off topic  http://www.linuxnic.net
> > Spam? I guess a bit of shameless promotion -:)
> > Blame me directly at the above email if you are bent.
> >
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> 
> 

RE: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Ken Wilson]

Well, it's spam.  Keep it out of the mailing list please.

Ken Wilson
First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
irrelevant
(Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of fred
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 3:42 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)
>
>
> Off topic  http://www.linuxnic.net
> Spam? I guess a bit of shameless promotion -:)
> Blame me directly at the above email if you are bent.
>
>
> Cheers.
>

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[Bernhard Rosenkraenzer]

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, fred wrote:

> Off topic  http://www.linuxnic.net
> Spam? I guess a bit of shameless promotion -:)

More than just that:
shameless promotion of an *illegal* product that *won't ever work*.

You can't just create a TLD all of your own and ask ISPs to list you as a
root nameserver.
There's nothing that prevents me from doing the same for just the same
TLD, and where will that get us?

People say their stuff is on http://download.linux/.
On your server, that points to say
http://linux-sucks.spam.fud.microsoft.com/, on mine it points to
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/.

So, someone going there could get either page, yet another third page of
someone else doing the same, or simply nothing because the ISP didn't list
any of the servers as new root nameserver.

This offer is nothing more than an attempt at making money from Linux
users who aren't familiar enough with DNS servers to know what's going on
here.

Also, you are in clear violation of the terms you agreed to by subscribing
to this mailing list.

-- 
Tired of waiting for Windows 2000?
STOP WAITING! http://www.ms-windows-2000.com/

Re: [newbie] (Off Topic)

[fred]

Off topic  http://www.linuxnic.net
Spam? I guess a bit of shameless promotion -:)
Blame me directly at the above email if you are bent.


Cheers.

Re: [newbie] (off Topic)

[tom950]

Fred, Please take your spam elsewhere. We dont need it here.

At 08:38 PM 9/15/99 -0700, you wrote:
>http://www.linuxnic.net
>
>I found some great names.
>
>