[newbie] HD Failure
Hi All
Over the weekend I lost my 3rd HD using MC under Mandrake 10.1 in 2 different
computers.
In each case MC was being used to search or move a directory that had over 100
data files with over 2 GB of data.
In the last instance Saturday morning I was transferring a directory with over
5 GB of data from /home/branch/My_Pictures {Data directory being moved which
consisted of .jpg files} to /System_Data/My_Picture by the normal method of
MC file transfer.
In all 3 cases something is wiped out the partition structure. What is unknown
as at this point the issue is above my knowledge level.
In the latest incident after discovering that the computer had stall and was
completely non functional I discovered that the contents of the root
partition was corrupted.
At this point it should be noted that there was NO data on this box that was
not all so on several other boxes so saving HD data was not a consideration.
Attempts to recover and restore the system by installation of Mandrake 10.1
disk and doing a custom installation where one defined the partition showed
the existence of all partitions those being
/boot
/
swap
/home
/System_Data
Next stage in set up is to format partitions.
At that point the installation fails with the notice that installation could
not find the root partation.
Not being content with that I then attempted to reconfigure the partitions to
one giant HD partition with the intent of reformatting the complete HD and
then repartitioning the HD.
Results of removing /boot, swap, /home, and /System_Data partations was that
installation was unable to identify HD giving same error message as
previously received for root directory.
Two weeks previously I had been using MC to search for a number of test DB
that I had on the system. These test DB were all of the 1 to 5 line variety
with names all starting with test-XX where XX was 00 to 20 plus located in
half a dozen different directories having been written at various times over
several months. The object was to collect them all into one place. Anyway the
search criteria was set to start at / and I was searching for test*. Half way
through one of the directories the computer froze. Closer inspection revealed
that the root directory was trashed. Attempts to recover showed the same
conditions as noted above. System configuration unable to find root directory
and unable to format that directory.
Both of the above incidents occurred in my desktop.
Last October I was attempting to move files using MC in my laptop. Details of
what I did due to time and conditions are fuzzy so one could say a number of
things including operator error but then this was followed by two incident
where more detail observations were made.
Anyway last October the HD showed all the same symptoms as shown above. First
the root directory departed with installation unable to find the existence of
that directory and then the rest of the system departed as I attempted to
recovery from that. At that time I took the HD to a number [if memory serves
me correct 5 different groups] linux clubs meetings [1 meeting per club]
A number of real Linus and Unix people looked at it with a large variety of
different tools. The consensus of all was that that HD which did have
critical non backed up data on it was trashed and beyond salvage.
Thus my conclusion is that if other are having similar experiences that there
is something that is causing Midnight Commander in Mandrake to do something
{the details of which are above my knowledge level} that is causing
partitions to corrupt when MC is placed under heavy search of file transfer
mode.
If others are not having similar experiences then there must be something
corrupted in my Mandrake 10.1 disks. This also is something that is not
unheard of as I had that very issue with Mandrake 9.2 CDs in as much as the
system would install and run but each installation had a different set of
unexplainable omissions or failures. This after time was finally tracked down
to a bad set of CD in as much as those CD would install on some systems and
not on other identical systems.
Thank
Frank
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Re: [newbie] HD Failure
SOTL wrote:
Hi All
Over the weekend I lost my 3rd HD using MC under Mandrake 10.1 in 2 different
computers.
In each case MC was being used to search or move a directory that had over 100
data files with over 2 GB of data.
In the last instance Saturday morning I was transferring a directory with over
5 GB of data from /home/branch/My_Pictures {Data directory being moved which
consisted of .jpg files} to /System_Data/My_Picture by the normal method of
MC file transfer.
In all 3 cases something is wiped out the partition structure. What is unknown
as at this point the issue is above my knowledge level.
In the latest incident after discovering that the computer had stall and was
completely non functional I discovered that the contents of the root
partition was corrupted.
At this point it should be noted that there was NO data on this box that was
not all so on several other boxes so saving HD data was not a consideration.
Attempts to recover and restore the system by installation of Mandrake 10.1
disk and doing a custom installation where one defined the partition showed
the existence of all partitions those being
/boot
/
swap
/home
/System_Data
Next stage in set up is to format partitions.
At that point the installation fails with the notice that installation could
not find the root partation.
Not being content with that I then attempted to reconfigure the partitions to
one giant HD partition with the intent of reformatting the complete HD and
then repartitioning the HD.
Results of removing /boot, swap, /home, and /System_Data partations was that
installation was unable to identify HD giving same error message as
previously received for root directory.
Two weeks previously I had been using MC to search for a number of test DB
that I had on the system. These test DB were all of the 1 to 5 line variety
with names all starting with test-XX where XX was 00 to 20 plus located in
half a dozen different directories having been written at various times over
several months. The object was to collect them all into one place. Anyway the
search criteria was set to start at / and I was searching for test*. Half way
through one of the directories the computer froze. Closer inspection revealed
that the root directory was trashed. Attempts to recover showed the same
conditions as noted above. System configuration unable to find root directory
and unable to format that directory.
Both of the above incidents occurred in my desktop.
Last October I was attempting to move files using MC in my laptop. Details of
what I did due to time and conditions are fuzzy so one could say a number of
things including operator error but then this was followed by two incident
where more detail observations were made.
Anyway last October the HD showed all the same symptoms as shown above. First
the root directory departed with installation unable to find the existence of
that directory and then the rest of the system departed as I attempted to
recovery from that. At that time I took the HD to a number [if memory serves
me correct 5 different groups] linux clubs meetings [1 meeting per club]
A number of real Linus and Unix people looked at it with a large variety of
different tools. The consensus of all was that that HD which did have
critical non backed up data on it was trashed and beyond salvage.
Thus my conclusion is that if other are having similar experiences that there
is something that is causing Midnight Commander in Mandrake to do something
{the details of which are above my knowledge level} that is causing
partitions to corrupt when MC is placed under heavy search of file transfer
mode.
If others are not having similar experiences then there must be something
corrupted in my Mandrake 10.1 disks. This also is something that is not
unheard of as I had that very issue with Mandrake 9.2 CDs in as much as the
system would install and run but each installation had a different set of
unexplainable omissions or failures. This after time was finally tracked down
to a bad set of CD in as much as those CD would install on some systems and
not on other identical systems.
Thank
Frank
Omigosh, what a sad story! I use mc all the time and have been doing so
within Mandrake since version 7.0, and before that on RatHead(oops I
mean RedHat) and before that on SCO UNIXes and so on.
What exactly were you trying to do with the root file systems in
question? I don't think mc is the tool to use if you are cloning a root
filesystem. It works fine for other filesystems and subdirectories,
etc., but be very careful about overwriting a root filesystem with the
contents of another.
Were you using more than one mc session at the same time? Are these all
IDE drives? Is there a USB bus involved?
How long since an fsck was performed on the file systems?
We need more info.
cheers
Duncan
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Re: [newbie] HD Failure
SOTL wrote:
Hi All
Over the weekend I lost my 3rd HD using MC under Mandrake 10.1 in 2 different
computers.
In each case MC was being used to search or move a directory that had over 100
data files with over 2 GB of data.
In the last instance Saturday morning I was transferring a directory with over
5 GB of data from /home/branch/My_Pictures {Data directory being moved which
consisted of .jpg files} to /System_Data/My_Picture by the normal method of
MC file transfer.
In all 3 cases something is wiped out the partition structure. What is unknown
as at this point the issue is above my knowledge level.
In the latest incident after discovering that the computer had stall and was
completely non functional I discovered that the contents of the root
partition was corrupted.
At this point it should be noted that there was NO data on this box that was
not all so on several other boxes so saving HD data was not a consideration.
Attempts to recover and restore the system by installation of Mandrake 10.1
disk and doing a custom installation where one defined the partition showed
the existence of all partitions those being
/boot
/
swap
/home
/System_Data
Next stage in set up is to format partitions.
At that point the installation fails with the notice that installation could
not find the root partation.
Not being content with that I then attempted to reconfigure the partitions to
one giant HD partition with the intent of reformatting the complete HD and
then repartitioning the HD.
Results of removing /boot, swap, /home, and /System_Data partations was that
installation was unable to identify HD giving same error message as
previously received for root directory.
Two weeks previously I had been using MC to search for a number of test DB
that I had on the system. These test DB were all of the 1 to 5 line variety
with names all starting with test-XX where XX was 00 to 20 plus located in
half a dozen different directories having been written at various times over
several months. The object was to collect them all into one place. Anyway the
search criteria was set to start at / and I was searching for test*. Half way
through one of the directories the computer froze. Closer inspection revealed
that the root directory was trashed. Attempts to recover showed the same
conditions as noted above. System configuration unable to find root directory
and unable to format that directory.
Both of the above incidents occurred in my desktop.
Last October I was attempting to move files using MC in my laptop. Details of
what I did due to time and conditions are fuzzy so one could say a number of
things including operator error but then this was followed by two incident
where more detail observations were made.
Anyway last October the HD showed all the same symptoms as shown above. First
the root directory departed with installation unable to find the existence of
that directory and then the rest of the system departed as I attempted to
recovery from that. At that time I took the HD to a number [if memory serves
me correct 5 different groups] linux clubs meetings [1 meeting per club]
A number of real Linus and Unix people looked at it with a large variety of
different tools. The consensus of all was that that HD which did have
critical non backed up data on it was trashed and beyond salvage.
Thus my conclusion is that if other are having similar experiences that there
is something that is causing Midnight Commander in Mandrake to do something
{the details of which are above my knowledge level} that is causing
partitions to corrupt when MC is placed under heavy search of file transfer
mode.
If others are not having similar experiences then there must be something
corrupted in my Mandrake 10.1 disks. This also is something that is not
unheard of as I had that very issue with Mandrake 9.2 CDs in as much as the
system would install and run but each installation had a different set of
unexplainable omissions or failures. This after time was finally tracked down
to a bad set of CD in as much as those CD would install on some systems and
not on other identical systems.
Thank
Frank
Frank,
What do the systems have in common? I suspect a problem with your
setup, more then a problem with mc. I have used mc for years, on many
systems, and I have never had that type of problem. I have transfered
large files, and large numbers of small files, all without problems. I
have transfered 5GB of files at a time more then once.
The only time I have seen your type of problem was on a systems with
other problems/ One system had marginal hardware - it would fail under
heavy load. The other system had a problem with hard drive geometry. The
end results were that you could overwrite the extended partition table
when using too much of the swap partition. I still don't know how the
guy that set it up managed that...
A more common cause of corruption is when you have shrunk a Windows
partition
Re: [newbie] HD Failure
On Monday 28 March 2005 11:15, Duncan Anderson wrote:
SOTL wrote:
Hi All
Over the weekend I lost my 3rd HD using MC under Mandrake 10.1 in 2
different computers.
In each case MC was being used to search or move a directory that had over
100 data files with over 2 GB of data.
In the last instance Saturday morning I was transferring a directory with
over 5 GB of data from /home/branch/My_Pictures {Data directory being
moved which consisted of .jpg files} to /System_Data/My_Picture by the
normal method of MC file transfer.
In all 3 cases something is wiped out the partition structure. What is
unknown as at this point the issue is above my knowledge level.
In the latest incident after discovering that the computer had stall and
was completely non functional I discovered that the contents of the root
partition was corrupted.
At this point it should be noted that there was NO data on this box that
was not all so on several other boxes so saving HD data was not a
consideration.
Attempts to recover and restore the system by installation of Mandrake
10.1 disk and doing a custom installation where one defined the partition
showed the existence of all partitions those being
/boot
/
swap
/home
/System_Data
Next stage in set up is to format partitions.
At that point the installation fails with the notice that installation
could not find the root partation.
Not being content with that I then attempted to reconfigure the partitions
to one giant HD partition with the intent of reformatting the complete HD
and then repartitioning the HD.
Results of removing /boot, swap, /home, and /System_Data partations was
that installation was unable to identify HD giving same error message as
previously received for root directory.
Two weeks previously I had been using MC to search for a number of test DB
that I had on the system. These test DB were all of the 1 to 5 line
variety with names all starting with test-XX where XX was 00 to 20 plus
located in half a dozen different directories having been written at
various times over several months. The object was to collect them all
into one place. Anyway the search criteria was set to start at / and I
was searching for test*. Half way through one of the directories the
computer froze. Closer inspection revealed that the root directory was
trashed. Attempts to recover showed the same conditions as noted above.
System configuration unable to find root directory and unable to format
that directory.
Both of the above incidents occurred in my desktop.
Last October I was attempting to move files using MC in my laptop. Details
of what I did due to time and conditions are fuzzy so one could say a
number of things including operator error but then this was followed by
two incident where more detail observations were made.
Anyway last October the HD showed all the same symptoms as shown above.
First the root directory departed with installation unable to find the
existence of that directory and then the rest of the system departed as I
attempted to recovery from that. At that time I took the HD to a number
[if memory serves me correct 5 different groups] linux clubs meetings [1
meeting per club]
A number of real Linus and Unix people looked at it with a large variety
of different tools. The consensus of all was that that HD which did have
critical non backed up data on it was trashed and beyond salvage.
Thus my conclusion is that if other are having similar experiences that
there is something that is causing Midnight Commander in Mandrake to do
something {the details of which are above my knowledge level} that is
causing partitions to corrupt when MC is placed under heavy search of
file transfer mode.
If others are not having similar experiences then there must be something
corrupted in my Mandrake 10.1 disks. This also is something that is not
unheard of as I had that very issue with Mandrake 9.2 CDs in as much as
the system would install and run but each installation had a different
set of unexplainable omissions or failures. This after time was finally
tracked down to a bad set of CD in as much as those CD would install on
some systems and not on other identical systems.
Thank
Frank
Omigosh, what a sad story! I use mc all the time and have been doing so
within Mandrake since version 7.0, and before that on RatHead(oops I
mean RedHat) and before that on SCO UNIXes and so on.
What exactly were you trying to do with the root file systems in
question?
You missed the point.
I was doing NOTHING with the root file system.
I was simply coping data files [5 gb worth] from one directory to another.
I don't think mc is the tool to use if you are cloning a root
filesystem. It works fine for other filesystems and subdirectories,
etc., but be very careful about overwriting a root filesystem with the
contents of another.
Were you using more
Re: [newbie] HD Failure
On Monday 28 March 2005 12:30, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
SOTL wrote:
Hi All
Over the weekend I lost my 3rd HD using MC under Mandrake 10.1 in 2
different computers.
In each case MC was being used to search or move a directory that had
over 100 data files with over 2 GB of data.
In the last instance Saturday morning I was transferring a directory with
over 5 GB of data from /home/branch/My_Pictures {Data directory being
moved which consisted of .jpg files} to /System_Data/My_Picture by the
normal method of MC file transfer.
In all 3 cases something is wiped out the partition structure. What is
unknown as at this point the issue is above my knowledge level.
In the latest incident after discovering that the computer had stall and
was completely non functional I discovered that the contents of the root
partition was corrupted.
At this point it should be noted that there was NO data on this box that
was not all so on several other boxes so saving HD data was not a
consideration.
Attempts to recover and restore the system by installation of Mandrake
10.1 disk and doing a custom installation where one defined the partition
showed the existence of all partitions those being
/boot
/
swap
/home
/System_Data
Next stage in set up is to format partitions.
At that point the installation fails with the notice that installation
could not find the root partation.
Not being content with that I then attempted to reconfigure the
partitions to one giant HD partition with the intent of reformatting the
complete HD and then repartitioning the HD.
Results of removing /boot, swap, /home, and /System_Data partations was
that installation was unable to identify HD giving same error message as
previously received for root directory.
Two weeks previously I had been using MC to search for a number of test
DB that I had on the system. These test DB were all of the 1 to 5 line
variety with names all starting with test-XX where XX was 00 to 20 plus
located in half a dozen different directories having been written at
various times over several months. The object was to collect them all
into one place. Anyway the search criteria was set to start at / and I
was searching for test*. Half way through one of the directories the
computer froze. Closer inspection revealed that the root directory was
trashed. Attempts to recover showed the same conditions as noted above.
System configuration unable to find root directory and unable to format
that directory.
Both of the above incidents occurred in my desktop.
Last October I was attempting to move files using MC in my laptop.
Details of what I did due to time and conditions are fuzzy so one could
say a number of things including operator error but then this was
followed by two incident where more detail observations were made.
Anyway last October the HD showed all the same symptoms as shown above.
First the root directory departed with installation unable to find the
existence of that directory and then the rest of the system departed as I
attempted to recovery from that. At that time I took the HD to a number
[if memory serves me correct 5 different groups] linux clubs meetings [1
meeting per club]
A number of real Linus and Unix people looked at it with a large variety
of different tools. The consensus of all was that that HD which did have
critical non backed up data on it was trashed and beyond salvage.
Thus my conclusion is that if other are having similar experiences that
there is something that is causing Midnight Commander in Mandrake to do
something {the details of which are above my knowledge level} that is
causing partitions to corrupt when MC is placed under heavy search of
file transfer mode.
If others are not having similar experiences then there must be something
corrupted in my Mandrake 10.1 disks. This also is something that is not
unheard of as I had that very issue with Mandrake 9.2 CDs in as much as
the system would install and run but each installation had a different
set of unexplainable omissions or failures. This after time was finally
tracked down to a bad set of CD in as much as those CD would install on
some systems and not on other identical systems.
Thank
Frank
Frank,
What do the systems have in common?
All Mandrake 10.1
I suspect a problem with your
setup, more then a problem with mc. I have used mc for years, on many
systems, and I have never had that type of problem. I have transfered
large files, and large numbers of small files, all without problems. I
have transfered 5GB of files at a time more then once.
Last system was NEW setup 3 weeks old.
The only time I have seen your type of problem was on a systems with
other problems/
One system had marginal hardware - it would fail under
heavy load.
Two different boxes. Two complete different sets of hardware.
Re: [newbie] HD Failure
SOTL wrote: You missed the point. I was doing NOTHING with the root file system. I was simply coping data files [5 gb worth] from one directory to another. OK. I misunderstood. Were the two directories on the same hard disk or what? cheers Duncan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HD Failure
Just terrible. But i really don't believe that using any program(not only mc) could do such harm to hardware. I suppouse that problem is rather technical not software by nature. Are you using UPS? Bad electricity often causes strange hardware failures. Check your power, maybe it falls below or goes above nominal voltage? Lightning is very dangerous too, may burn your computer hardware in fraction of a second. i had myself only one crash with Mandrake 9.2 when using ext2 filesystem, but then i reinstalled (this time with reiserfs) and system is working just excellent to this day. greets Rafa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HD Failure
On Monday 28 March 2005 14:12, Duncan Anderson wrote: SOTL wrote: You missed the point. I was doing NOTHING with the root file system. I was simply coping data files [5 gb worth] from one directory to another. OK. I misunderstood. Were the two directories on the same hard disk or what? cheers Duncan There were 3 failures each slightly different all occurred while I was using MC under very heavy load. HD Failure # 3 A more detail explanation of the last failure in which I was transferring a file. I had copied files from one computer into the computer I had named Reality_Check [after the commic book characters] but I not placed them in my desired location for some reason or the other. Backpedal Reality_Check was set up with hda1 /boot as a 100 MB ext3 partition hda2 extended partition hda3 / as 8 GB ext3 partition hda4 swap 800 MB hda5 /home 8 GB ext3 with one user branch hda6 /home/branch/System_Data ~=43 GB Data Directory When I had copied data into Reality_Check I had placed it in /home/branch. I had meant to place it into /home/branch/System_Data Data comsisted of 13 directories as initially transferred. Later on reflection I deleted 7 of these directories as ones I did not want in that computer leaving 6 directories of data. The directory, My_Picture I was moving consists of NASA space and earth and construction site jpg and tif picture files from NASA with the following structure. My_Picture Subdirectories 1. Construction Project Which has five sub directories 1-1 date directory 1 1-2 date directory 2 1-3 name directory -1 1-4 name directory -2 1-5 name directory -3 Subdirectory 2. Icons Which has 3 Subdirectories 2-1 Tux_Pictures 2-2 Tux_Icons 2-3 BSD_Pictures Subdirectory 3. NASA Pictures Which has 3 sub directories 3-1 NASA-Space 3-2 NASA-Earth 3-3 NASA-Scientific_Images Total is about 5 GB of data files. At the time of the last failure I had decided to use MC to transfer files as previous transfer had been by root so root permission was required to move directory structure. Half way through move of files from /home/branch to /home/branch/System_Data computer stopped and refused to continue with HD making strange clicking sounds. Inspection showed trashed root directory HD Failure # 2 Previous failure was when I was using MC when I enter / as start point of search searching for test-XX where XX in file names is 01 to roughly 20. Each of the test files contained at maximum 100 characters. There were a number of such files as they had been credited over a period on a month and my objection was to consolidate the ones I wanted and delete the ones I did not want. Half way through the search the computer stopped with the HD making beating clicking sounds. For the search crash I was using MC as a user NOT as root. Also the HD was set up with partitions exactly as it would later be and as noted above for the third HD failure HD Failure # 1 The details of the first crash are to foggy to relate exact details of events. Frank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HD Failure
SOTL wrote: On Monday 28 March 2005 12:30, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: What file system were you using? How is the power source the systems are connected to? The laptop is battery powered but was plugged into the wall. The MSI box is not currently connected to a UPS. I have one location that I have to use a power condictioner, a UPS that does VAR, or a constant voltage transformer if I want systems to keep working. The voltage there dips low enough to give systems under load problems. I get lockups, but file corruption wouldn't suprise me. Nothing concerning power source would supprise me here in Tampa. Tampa is the leading capital of lightning in the US. If you don't mind risking a test system again, try doing the same transfere using tar or cp instead of mc, and see if you get the same problem. Mikkel I hate to say this but testing to see if I can burn up another HD is not exactly something I desire to do. As far as the issue with the other HD I will continue to play with it. From your post, it sounded like you only had file system corruption, and not hardware damage. Have you tried running the manufactures tests on the drive to see what they say? You can probably do a complete erase using their utilities, and have a drive you can partition again. One thing I have found handy is to have a CD image of the drive in the test system. I make one using the SystemRescueCD or Norton Ghost of a fresh install + updates, before I start playing with it. That way, if worst comes to worst, I just start a restore going, and go do other things. Depending on the setup, I may have to come back to swap CDs, but other then that, it is a hands off install. If you have the hard drive space on a server, you can have the image saved to a hard drive, and restore across the network. When I get some space time, I want to set up a PXE boot so I can restore everything over the network just by selecting Network from the system boot menu, or the BIOS. It shouldn't be much different then the setup I used to play with using Etherboot and boot EPROMS in a couple of network cards... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HD Failure
SOTL wrote: There were 3 failures each slightly different all occurred while I was using MC under very heavy load. HD Failure # 3 details snipped At the time of the last failure I had decided to use MC to transfer files as previous transfer had been by root so root permission was required to move directory structure. Half way through move of files from /home/branch to /home/branch/System_Data computer stopped and refused to continue with HD making strange clicking sounds. Inspection showed trashed root directory Strange clicking sounds - very bad news. HD Failure # 2 details snipped Half way through the search the computer stopped with the HD making beating clicking sounds. For the search crash I was using MC as a user NOT as root. Again . Also the HD was set up with partitions exactly as it would later be and as noted above for the third HD failure HD Failure # 1 The details of the first crash are to foggy to relate exact details of events. Frank, I think you are looking in the wrong direction for your problem. Midnight commander is not the problem, but the activity that you set into motion using it is. This leads me to suggest that you should consider looking at your hardware arrangements. Your drives may be overheating and failing as a result. I have had that problem with an external USB2.0 IDE drive. Fortunately the drive was not trashed, although I had to perform a full fsck on the file systems on the drive. One was trashed to such an extent that I had to salvage what I could from lost+found and eventually reformat the file system. It's working fine now, ever since I ripped a HUGE heatsink out of an old power supply and joined it to the case of the external hd. The clicking noise normally indicates a serious physical problem with a drive. Were these drives totally messed up, or was it just the file systems? As a matter of interest, what type of drives are they? I live in a hot part of the world, and, in the last twenty years or so, I have found that the most common cause of PC hardware failure is overheating, followed closely by spikes in the mains supply caused by lightning or other reasons. One thing I have learned is that one should never leave the cover off a busy system, especially if it is fully populated with drives, etc. The cases are designed to channel the flow of air appropriately, and leaving the cover off leads certain parts to overheat. (I am not saying that this is your problem - It is just something I have learned the hard way.) I think that you would have experienced the same problems if you had been using tools other than Midnight Commander. Most of my drive failures have occurred while using MC, but I don't blame MC - It's just that I use it all the time. Good luck Duncan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HD SATA
On Tuesday September 2 2003 10:35 am, Frankie wrote: OTOH, I don't believe SATA is that much if any improvement over ATA/133. I've read Net reports to that affect. Some Mandrake users have posted SATA hdparm -Tt numbers on various groups an forums, an they're all less then the numbers my ATA/133 puts out. Actually most of 'em were closer to what my ATA/100 drive gets. At the moment there is no real improvement over ATA drives because the SATA drives are really just ATA drives wtih a SATA interface tacked on.. when they start designing drives around the SATA standard, things will pick up and we'll have game on. rgds Franki Yes, that info plus some other stuff I didn't really understand was in the Net reports I've read. Also it was predicted that before SATA catches on, we'll be movin into PCI-eXpress ;) Now to my mind, that's where the improvement was always needed. IE, gettin off the old an tired 33mhz PCI bus. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD SATA
On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 5:04 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: Yes, that info plus some other stuff I didn't really understand was in the Net reports I've read. Also it was predicted that before SATA catches on, we'll be movin into PCI-eXpress ;) Now to my mind, that's where the improvement was always needed. IE, gettin off the old an tired 33mhz PCI bus. 'Next year will be the year of PCI-Express' is what I read today. I take it that it will mean that we ditch all our existing cards, or they will slow the bus down? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD SATA
On Wednesday September 3 2003 09:26 am, Eko Budiharto wrote: Hi Tom, isn't the 9.2 still beta? If not, can you tell me where you get the non beta version? It's not so much a Mandrake version deal, as it is kernel and driver. Promise recently released their SATA driver under the GPL, an I believe it's already in the latest kernels. That's the one I'd need, so it's the only one I've paid any attention to. I'm pretty sure 9.x would handle SATA, but I don't know which controllers are supported, if you'd need a newer kernel, or if you'd need to d/l a 3rd party driver for your SATA controller. OTOH, I don't believe SATA is that much if any improvement over ATA/133. I've read Net reports to that affect. Some Mandrake users have posted SATA hdparm -Tt numbers on various groups an forums, an they're all less then the numbers my ATA/133 puts out. Actually most of 'em were closer to what my ATA/100 drive gets. (Eko, you've got your mailer's 'reply to' set to yourself. You should leave the reply to configuration line blank. Thanks) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD SATA
Just my cat /var/log/messages|grep ATA ep 3 05:16:14 lvghomepc kernel: SiI3112 Serial ATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0b.0 Sep 3 05:16:14 lvghomepc kernel: SiI3112 Serial ATA: chipset revision 2 Sep 3 05:16:14 lvghomepc kernel: SiI3112 Serial ATA: not 100%% native mode: will probe irqs later I don't have any SATA drives -- L.V.Gandhi 203, Soundaryalahari Apartments, Lawsons Bay colony, Visakhapatnam, 530017 MECON, 5th Floor, RTC Complex, Visakhapatnam AP 530020 INDIA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD SATA
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 3:18 pm, Tony S. Sykes wrote: 2800+ Athlon XP and a Asus a7n8x Deluxe with x 2 sata150 7200 120gb Seagate's. I have tried to speed them up using hdparm -X66 -d1 but them still use a lot of cpu and still brought my system down but it did speed them up. I did want to use hardware raid but the driver is not completed yet. I have the same motherboard with Athlon 24009+ and 256 MB DDR (333 mhz). Even IDE harddisks which were shown automatically as udma5 in kobian MB with intel 815 chipset(which I had previously), are shown as udma2. Even putting a command in /etc/rc.local as hdparm -d1 -c1 -u1 -X69 /dev/hdb hdparm -d1 -c1 -u1 -X69 /dev/hda has not helped to make them udma5. Further hdparm -tT values are less. Previously I had [EMAIL PROTECTED] lvgandhi]# hdparm -tT /dev/hda /dev/hda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 1.42 seconds = 90.14 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.30 seconds = 27.83 MB/sec [EMAIL PROTECTED] lvgandhi]# hdparm -tT /dev/hdb /dev/hdb: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 1.42 seconds = 90.14 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.59 seconds = 40.25 MB/sec Now I have [EMAIL PROTECTED] lvgandhi]# hdparm -tT /dev/hda /dev/hda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.43 seconds =297.67 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 4.18 seconds = 15.31 MB/sec [EMAIL PROTECTED] lvgandhi]# [EMAIL PROTECTED] lvgandhi]# hdparm -tT /dev/hdb /dev/hdb: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.43 seconds =297.67 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.19 seconds = 29.22 MB/sec As can be seen buffered disk read has come down 30 to 50%. I am at loss to understand what to do to get udma 5 for my hdds back. -- L.V.Gandhi 203, Soundaryalahari Apartments, Lawsons Bay colony, Visakhapatnam, 530017 MECON, 5th Floor, RTC Complex, Visakhapatnam AP 530020 INDIA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] HD SATA
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Re: [newbie] HD SATA
On Tuesday September 2 2003 05:58 am, Eko Budiharto wrote: Hi, have anyone of you ever installed in SATA with MDK? Is HD SATA working with MDK? In 9.2 yes, I don't know about 9.1 an older. I have a SATA port, but no SATA drive. So I can't say how well it works. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] HD repartition without floppy drive
HD 20 gig XP no floppy drive want to repartition HD to install mandrake, but without losing data. have partition magic rescue disks but no floppy drive any ideaz? thx _ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
HD 20 gig NTFS win XP want to repartition HD in order to install mandrake 9.1, but without loosing data. Have partition magic rescue disks but no disk drive (laptop). any ideas? thx _ Valentijn bij MSN ! http://www.msn.be/valentijn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
is mandrake NTFS resizer as safe as partition magic? From: JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:50:37 -0400 On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:14:52 +0200 ivette brusselmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: HD 20 gig NTFS win XP want to repartition HD in order to install mandrake 9.1, but without loosing data. Have partition magic rescue disks but no disk drive (laptop). any ideas? Apparently MDK 9.1 install will resize NTFS partitions, so just boot from the Mandrake CD and go from there. As always, back up your critical data. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ Real Programmers don't write in PL/I. PL/I is for programmers who can't decide whether to write in COBOL or FORTRAN. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
Which version of PM are you using? On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 04:34, ivette brusselmans wrote: is mandrake NTFS resizer as safe as partition magic? From: JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:50:37 -0400 On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:14:52 +0200 ivette brusselmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: HD 20 gig NTFS win XP want to repartition HD in order to install mandrake 9.1, but without loosing data. Have partition magic rescue disks but no disk drive (laptop). any ideas? Apparently MDK 9.1 install will resize NTFS partitions, so just boot from the Mandrake CD and go from there. As always, back up your critical data. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ Real Programmers don't write in PL/I. PL/I is for programmers who can't decide whether to write in COBOL or FORTRAN. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Registered Linux User #299730 Registered Machine #2046 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~60.51518 N, 150.79705 W*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 17:14, ivette brusselmans wrote: HD 20 gig NTFS win XP want to repartition HD in order to install mandrake 9.1, but without loosing data. Have partition magic rescue disks but no disk drive (laptop). any ideas? thx I created a bootable CDROM with not only a basic MSDOS system on it, but a Win98SE installation, WinXP Pro installation, Partition Magic and Ghost; really nice all-in-one tool for fixing tings - that's how I manage to get around most issues - but then again, if it ain't got a bootable CDROM drive, well, best to try copying the PQM utilities to a subdirectory of the C:\ drive, then boot to DOS if you can, run it from there...(but a bootable CDROM drive is preferable) -- Thu Jul 17 19:50:00 EST 2003 19:50:00 up 3 days, 11:53, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.17, 0.14 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * LBJ, LBJ, how many JOKES did you tell today??! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
PM 5.0 From: Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive Date: 17 Jul 2003 04:46:58 -0500 Which version of PM are you using? On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 04:34, ivette brusselmans wrote: is mandrake NTFS resizer as safe as partition magic? From: JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:50:37 -0400 On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:14:52 +0200 ivette brusselmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: HD 20 gig NTFS win XP want to repartition HD in order to install mandrake 9.1, but without loosing data. Have partition magic rescue disks but no disk drive (laptop). any ideas? Apparently MDK 9.1 install will resize NTFS partitions, so just boot from the Mandrake CD and go from there. As always, back up your critical data. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ Real Programmers don't write in PL/I. PL/I is for programmers who can't decide whether to write in COBOL or FORTRAN. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Registered Linux User #299730 Registered Machine #2046 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~60.51518 N, 150.79705 W*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
guess I'll give it a try that way Thx From: Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:39:01 +0300 JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:14:52 +0200 ivette brusselmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: HD 20 gig NTFS win XP want to repartition HD in order to install mandrake 9.1, but without loosing data. Have partition magic rescue disks but no disk drive (laptop). any ideas? Apparently MDK 9.1 install will resize NTFS partitions, so just boot from the Mandrake CD and go from there. I've resized partitions this way several times and not lost data. Just be sure to defragment your hard drive (assumming XP still fragments in the same way as Win95/98) and as Joe says ... As always, back up your critical data. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ MSN Zoeken, voor duidelijke zoekresultaten! http://search.msn.be Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
On 17 Jul 2003 19:56:28 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I created a bootable CDROM with not only a basic MSDOS system on it, but a Win98SE installation, WinXP Pro installation, Partition Magic and Ghost; really nice all-in-one tool for fixing tings - that's how I manage to get around most issues - but then again, if it ain't got a bootable CDROM drive, well, best to try copying the PQM utilities to a subdirectory of the C:\ drive, then boot to DOS if you can, run it from there...(but a bootable CDROM drive is preferable) We bow in your presence, oh great one, and kiss with great ardour the ground your stinky uber geek feet have themselves graced with a tender touch... I love ya man! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ You're almost as happy as you think you are. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 05:58, ivette brusselmans wrote: PM 5.0 I don't think you want to screw with an XP NTFS partition with PM 5.0. so in this instance, I can saw that the installer in 9.1 is MUCH safer than PM 5.0 on XP NTFS From: Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive Date: 17 Jul 2003 04:46:58 -0500 Which version of PM are you using? On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 04:34, ivette brusselmans wrote: is mandrake NTFS resizer as safe as partition magic? From: JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:50:37 -0400 On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:14:52 +0200 ivette brusselmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: HD 20 gig NTFS win XP want to repartition HD in order to install mandrake 9.1, but without loosing data. Have partition magic rescue disks but no disk drive (laptop). any ideas? Apparently MDK 9.1 install will resize NTFS partitions, so just boot from the Mandrake CD and go from there. As always, back up your critical data. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ Real Programmers don't write in PL/I. PL/I is for programmers who can't decide whether to write in COBOL or FORTRAN. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Registered Linux User #299730 Registered Machine #2046 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~60.51518 N, 150.79705 W*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 10:21, ed tharp wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 05:58, ivette brusselmans wrote: PM 5.0 I don't think you want to screw with an XP NTFS partition with PM 5.0. so in this instance, I can saw that the installer in 9.1 is MUCH safer than PM 5.0 on XP NTFS PM 6.0 and above are safe bets, but 5.0 ain't a good one for NTFS; been there done that - sad to say... PM 6+ has been a great tool to use; I still haven't tried using the MDK Diskdrake for resizing the partitions, but I think that's going to be the next move - at least next time I have to do a partition resize... (Just a side note: Ain't it rather funny that MDK is using a kernel that is further ahead than RH, disk tools that are more sophisticated, an installation/configuration methodology that is more sophisticated and friendly; yet MDK is behind RH in public opinion?) -- Fri Jul 18 10:35:01 EST 2003 10:35:01 up 4 days, 2:38, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * OK, now let's look at four dimensions on the blackboard. -- Dr. Joy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
On Friday 18 Jul 2003 1:41 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 10:21, ed tharp wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 05:58, ivette brusselmans wrote: PM 5.0 I don't think you want to screw with an XP NTFS partition with PM 5.0. so in this instance, I can saw that the installer in 9.1 is MUCH safer than PM 5.0 on XP NTFS PM 6.0 and above are safe bets, but 5.0 ain't a good one for NTFS; been there done that - sad to say... PM 6+ has been a great tool to use; I still haven't tried using the MDK Diskdrake for resizing the partitions, but I think that's going to be the next move - at least next time I have to do a partition resize... (Just a side note: Ain't it rather funny that MDK is using a kernel that is further ahead than RH, disk tools that are more sophisticated, an installation/configuration methodology that is more sophisticated and friendly; yet MDK is behind RH in public opinion?) Well look at how long it took to convince you Stephen... ;-) derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
On 18 Jul 2003 10:41:28 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: (Just a side note: Ain't it rather funny that MDK is using a kernel that is further ahead than RH, disk tools that are more sophisticated, an installation/configuration methodology that is more sophisticated andfriendly; yet MDK is behind RH in public opinion?) Marketing. Money. The usual. Truth doesn't matter, hype does. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ for ARTIFICIAL FLAVORING!! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 10:52, Derek Jennings wrote: Well look at how long it took to convince you Stephen... ;-) derek Five months. Heaps of installs of 9.0; wasn't until 9.1rc2 that I came around... -- Fri Jul 18 11:10:00 EST 2003 11:10:00 up 4 days, 3:13, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Death is Nature's way of recycling human beings. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 11:06, JoeHill wrote: Marketing. Money. The usual. Truth doesn't matter, hype does. That's the way that the world goes round. The US government uses that strategy. Microsoft uses that strategy. AOL uses that strategy. McDonald's uses that strategy. -- Fri Jul 18 11:10:00 EST 2003 11:10:00 up 4 days, 3:13, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Death is Nature's way of recycling human beings. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD-partitioning without f-drive
On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 18:06, JoeHill wrote: On 18 Jul 2003 10:41:28 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: (Just a side note: Ain't it rather funny that MDK is using a kernel that is further ahead than RH, disk tools that are more sophisticated, an installation/configuration methodology that is more sophisticated andfriendly; yet MDK is behind RH in public opinion?) Marketing. Money. The usual. Truth doesn't matter, hype does. You gotta point there,went to fry's to buy Mandrake 9.1 no have had SUSE(and lots of Win$ux stuff) didn't buy SUSE had bad experience with it. Went To Central Computer they had it (They didn't quite know what it was :) ) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 06:48, civileme wrote: On Monday 17 February 2003 04:35 am, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 15 February 2003 08:26 pm, Chuck Burns wrote: GACK! *clue* You can have MORE than one swapfile! make the other partition a SECOND swapfile.. done.. Not done. Make sure you have an entry for the second swapfile in /etc/fstab. Two swapfiles on same disk? Well that is about as useful as... No, something needs to break up the blankness on the male chest... If you make two swaps, put one on each disk, then they will stripe like a RAID0. If you have two swaps on the same disk you need to assign priorities for use orelse they will attempt to stripe with a lot of unnecessary head-stepping and will be the slowest swap you ever saw. Civileme I also do not see the point in a 5GB swap. This was his /home on a 10GB drive. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 02:14, civileme wrote: I also do not see the point in a 5GB swap. This was his /home on a 10GB drive. I have a friend who has 3G DDR and TWO striping 7G swaps. I asked and he replied nonchalantly, video editing. Civileme Good point - and with that, I remember having to setup BeOS for very VERY large amounts of swap for doing direct-to-disk recordings and mastering - even on a Mac. On a Mac we ended up having to use 3 x 4gb SCSI drives JUST FOR TEMP/SWAP for one song - songs in raw format were anywhere from 80mb to 200mb - so overall, having a huge swap for vid-ed is par for the course... (An SAP server I helped setup in Richardson, Tx had to use 4gb of SWAP on an HP-UX box...and that certainly ain't for video editing) -- Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:45:00 +1100 7:45am up 1 day, 16:41, 5 users, load average: 0.36, 0.30, 0.28 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- This is the LAST time I take travel suggestions from Ray Bradbury! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 11:38, Adolfo Bello wrote: This answers a question I posted a few days ago about the size of the swap partition. Thanks. For most of us - MOST of us, having a swap file that exceeds the size of the physical RAM is useless and pointless. Unless you're doing really high end stuff that requires large amounts of TEMP and SWAP space. Burning DVD's and whatnot might be easier - but that's also dependent on how the program was written; if the program was written to require large amounts of swap/temp - but most of them really aren't. Using like Cinelerra, for instance, you WILL use large amounts of TEMP and SWAP - so having large sized partitions will get you faster and possibly cleaner results. But overall, the common linux geek, er, user, isn't going to require anything more than the size of their physical RAM - even the ones that download large amounts of porno movies and pictures - it ain't going to speed up their picture viewers or movie players very much. Ditto with the music stealers, er, MP3 traders(grin) -- Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:45:00 +1100 11:45am up 28 min, 3 users, load average: 0.24, 0.28, 0.26 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- People need good lies. There are too many bad ones. -- Bokonon, Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 20:53, Stephen Kuhn wrote: But overall, the common linux geek, er, user, isn't going to require anything more than the size of their physical RAM - even the ones that download large amounts of porno movies and pictures - it ain't going to speed up their picture viewers or movie players very much. Ditto with the music stealers, er, MP3 traders(grin) Good one :-) -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / _/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Gil Katz wrote: Hi i had one HD 10GB which i splitt to 3 partitions /, swap and /home after a while i bought a new HD 80GB and i moved /home to it, so now i have one big empty partition that i want to transfer its size to swap and to / should i delete the partition and then resize both / and swap or there is another or a better way? Gil Assuming that you have nothing left on the 10g hd that matters to you, just delete the partitions to wipe them out entirely and remake them as you want them and format and install accordingly. If you intend putting a /swap partition on this harddrive, then it's size ought to be 1 1/2 to 2 times physical memory. -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Monday 17 February 2003 6:57 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Gil Katz wrote: Hi i had one HD 10GB which i splitt to 3 partitions /, swap and /home after a while i bought a new HD 80GB and i moved /home to it, so now i have one big empty partition that i want to transfer its size to swap and to / should i delete the partition and then resize both / and swap or there is another or a better way? Gil Assuming that you have nothing left on the 10g hd that matters to you, just delete the partitions to wipe them out entirely and remake them as you want them and format and install accordingly. If you intend putting a /swap partition on this harddrive, then it's size ought to be 1 1/2 to 2 times physical memory. GACK! *clue* You can have MORE than one swapfile! make the other partition a SECOND swapfile.. done.. -- Chuck Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 February 2003 08:26 pm, Chuck Burns wrote: GACK! *clue* You can have MORE than one swapfile! make the other partition a SECOND swapfile.. done.. Not done. Make sure you have an entry for the second swapfile in /etc/fstab. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+UOUUGu5uuMFlL5MRAszWAJ9h7CHNBsrCduRSFSwTJtkQgDMAggCfSstf QUm6FP2uszql1/KYBa1g7ko= =kMTP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 12:57:54PM +, John Richard Smith wrote: Gil Katz wrote: Hi i had one HD 10GB which i splitt to 3 partitions /, swap and /home after a while i bought a new HD 80GB and i moved /home to it, so now i have one big empty partition that i want to transfer its size to swap and to / should i delete the partition and then resize both / and swap or there is another or a better way? Gil Assuming that you have nothing left on the 10g hd that matters to you, just delete the partitions to wipe them out entirely and remake them as you want them and format and install accordingly. If you intend putting a /swap partition on this harddrive, then it's size ought to be 1 1/2 to 2 times physical memory. One thing that matters on your 10G drive in the / partition. You might want to copy it to your second drive and make sure you can actually boot boot from it there (use Lilo to set up a dual boot -- original linux or copy of linux) before you delete and resize / on your 10G drive. -- cautious hendrik Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Monday 17 February 2003 01:51 am, Gil Katz wrote: Hi i had one HD 10GB which i splitt to 3 partitions /, swap and /home after a while i bought a new HD 80GB and i moved /home to it, so now i have one big empty partition that i want to transfer its size to swap and to / should i delete the partition and then resize both / and swap or there is another or a better way? Gil Well with /home being a huge partition, there is a simple way and an elegant way. You will have o decide which is better The simple way is to drop in your install disk and reinstall, not formatting /home and letting diskdrake do the carving. The elegant way is to do this $mkdir -p /home/temproot $su password: (your root password) # cp -a / /home/temproot # emacs /home/temproot/etc/fstab remove the / and /home entries in /etc/fstab by commenting them out, but remember the partition numbers # chroot /home/temproot # fdisk /dev/hda (or diskdrake) (make the / and swap partitions... I will assume you made / at /dev/hda1) # mkdir -p /mnt/tmp # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/tmp # emacs /etc/fstab restore your entries for /home and / by deleting the sharp signs you used to comment them out. # cp -a / /mnt/tmp # chroot /mnt/tmp # mount /home # rm -r /home/temproot -f # exit Please note that the fdisk will work if you have a separate /usr but the diskdrake will not because /usr is inaccessible after the 1st chroot. note also that a reboot after the copy of / to its new demesnes will work but will leave a copy at /home/temproot Civileme (Muses) Perhaps we should say there is a simple method and an ugly one Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Monday 17 February 2003 04:35 am, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 15 February 2003 08:26 pm, Chuck Burns wrote: GACK! *clue* You can have MORE than one swapfile! make the other partition a SECOND swapfile.. done.. Not done. Make sure you have an entry for the second swapfile in /etc/fstab. Two swapfiles on same disk? Well that is about as useful as... No, something needs to break up the blankness on the male chest... If you make two swaps, put one on each disk, then they will stripe like a RAID0. If you have two swaps on the same disk you need to assign priorities for use orelse they will attempt to stripe with a lot of unnecessary head-stepping and will be the slowest swap you ever saw. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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One thing that matters on your 10G drive in the / partition. You might want to copy it to your second drive and make sure you can actually Actually that would be pointless, because the next time the OP restarted his system it would just use the same swap partition if he set it up to do that. There's no need to preserve swap partition data. If the OP is going to reuse the drive, he doesn't need to preserve anything on the 10GB except home. It is still a good idea to keep a backup of some directories inside the root (i.e., /), particularly /etc. The last tiem I did this, I migrated from a 1.6 gig drive and a 325 meg drive to a 30 gig drive. I had previously just the 325, but I did much the same thing as I did when I got the 1.6 -- I copied /home to a larger partition on the newer drive. I had / and /usr over on the 1.6, so I reinstalled plus kept /home and gave the new /home a bigger slice on the bigger drive. Then I retired the 323 (which just had the old /home and /var), relegated (origianally) the 1.6 for /var/spool as well as a swap, and carved out partitions on the 30 gig drive. One thing is that I gave / a ratler large space on the drive, but that has a good side, because if I need to move things around, as I had to do a couple of times, there's enough space on / (or /tmp) to place tar's of the other partitions ;). Like Civilme said, it's best to balance the swap between the two drives, but maybe the OP is retiring the 10GB - but might as well keep it, he could have a 10 gb (more or less) /home just on that disk, and put the remainder of stuff on 80gb - wow that's a lot of disk for linux :). IOW, tar up the existing /home partition, back it up (very important) somewhere, and then reformat the old drive with just one or two partitions, /home being one, and possibly swap being the other -- then restore the /home backup into the bigger partition. That's essentially what I did. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 21:51, Gil Katz wrote: Hi i had one HD 10GB which i splitt to 3 partitions /, swap and /home after a while i bought a new HD 80GB and i moved /home to it, so now i have one big empty partition that i want to transfer its size to swap and to / should i delete the partition and then resize both / and swap or there is another or a better way? Gil You could always make another swap on that drive, turn on swapping for that swap, turn off swap for the old one... As well, it's a 10gb drive, you could put your /var and /tmp on it along with a nice swap... -- Tue, 18 Feb 2003 06:20:01 +1100 6:20am up 15:16, 5 users, load average: 0.42, 0.51, 0.45 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- You should, without hesitation, pound your typewriter into a plowshare, your paper into fertilizer, and enter agriculture -- Business Professor, University of Georgia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Saturday 01 February 2003 21:20, civileme wrote: udma2 is safe--it is only 33Mhz which is in the range of 32-byte CRCs which the drives can do. The 57-byte CRCs required by udma3 and up 66-133MHz are beyond the capabilities of the 102 and maybe beyond the 80Mb as well; I have not kept up on the product through its most recent cycles since they seemed unwilling to change their policies. Civileme The bottom line is that the disk is probably safe and kdf needs overhaul. Certainly on that platform with no more than 33MHz udma you are on firm ground, but don't move the disk to a newer platform using 66-133MHz and 80-pin cables. It is OK to move it to a newer platform if you stick with a 40 pin cable. Somewhere a few generations ago like 8.1 there was a utility called drakopt which would run a thorough test of your HD speeds and optimize the setup... It still works, if you have hdparm loaded. But let's make double-sure and run one more test fdisk -l /dev/hdd should show a partition with an 80 G capacity I would recommend using smaller partitions in several categories. SWAP is always good to have on both disks of a pair and The possibility of IDE RAID with RAID0 for /usr to optimize for speed of program loading might not be a bad idea. http://www.geocities.com/civileme/raiddoc.html is a good link for an intro to linux software RAID The computer that made those png diagrams is still in use as my firewall. Civileme fdisk -l /dev/hdd gives Disk /dev/hdd: 16 heads, 63 sectors, 155061 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hdd1 * 1155061 78150712+ 83 Linux When i try to use VMWare and create a 10 GB disk i get error. Gil -- Fair well and thanks for all the fish Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 31 January 2003 06:12 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: On Friday 31 January 2003 02:33 pm, Gil Katz wrote: On Friday 31 January 2003 20:20, civileme wrote: On Friday 31 January 2003 02:47 am, Gil Katz wrote: On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:45, Gil Katz wrote: Hi I bought a new WD 80GB disk and mount it with HardDrake and made one partition but when i look in KDiskFree i see that i got only 25 GB. What is wrong? Gil I'll refine the problem DiskDrake see the disk as is (74 GB) but KDiskFree see only 2.5 HD Gil Well WD is not a brand to buy since trhey OFFICIALLY support only Solaris and Windows, and besides they are hardware deficient on what it takes to do udma3 or higher and dangerous to use for your data at higher rates. Others can supply the info and links, but I will give you one... http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt2214_54.html#2 Basically WD disks are bad juju for linux. The real problem here may be one of mathematics, though. WD has this penchant for producing single-platter disks with one rack of heads each side (weigh it on a scale against competitive products and you will find the WD disk lighter) This means that the track number may be overflowing what Kdiskfree has available for track numbers with a resulting problem in viewing the disk. At one time the linux kernel would carve up big WD drives differently than the BIOS would with results that were just fantastic, but no other drives had ANY problems. This was true in Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2 for certain, but was corrected in kernel 2.2.19. Now, stop trusting kdf and let's see what dmesg says. Post the results and we'll see what the kernel says about free space. If there is still a problem, most likely the kernel's math will have to be adjusted for the most recent WD cheapness shortcut and another item will have to be added to the kernel's internal blacklist of cantankerous drives requiring special handling. Civileme This is the dmesg say Linux version 2.4.19-16mdk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.0 3.2-1mdk)) #1 Fri Sep 20 18:15:05 CEST 2002 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 13ffc000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 13ffc000 - 13fff000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 13fff000 - 1400 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: - 0001 (reserved) 319MB LOWMEM available. Advanced speculative caching feature not present On node 0 totalpages: 81916 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 77820 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=linux ro root=305 quiet devfs=mount hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdb=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling. Found and enabled local APIC! Initializing CPU#0 Detected 453.179 MHz processor. Console: colour dummy device 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 904.39 BogoMIPS Memory: 321644k/327664k available (1176k kernel code, 5632k reserved, 444k data, 136k init, 0k highmem) Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Inode cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Mount-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Buffer-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0383fbff , vendor = 0 CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 512K CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0383fbff Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU: After generic, caps: 0383fbff CPU: Common caps: 0383fbff CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 03 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX enabled ExtINT on CPU#0 ESR value before enabling vector: ESR value after enabling vector: Using local APIC timer interrupts. calibrating APIC timer ... . CPU clock speed is 453.1857 MHz. . host bus clock speed is 100.7078 MHz. cpu: 0, clocks: 1007078, slice: 503539 CPU0T0:1007072,T1:503520,D:13,S:503539,C:1007078 mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0890, last bus=1 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent PCI: Using IRQ router VIA [1106/0596] at 00:04.0
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On Saturday 01 February 2003 10:09, civileme wrote: On Friday 31 January 2003 06:12 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: On Friday 31 January 2003 02:33 pm, Gil Katz wrote: On Friday 31 January 2003 20:20, civileme wrote: On Friday 31 January 2003 02:47 am, Gil Katz wrote: On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:45, Gil Katz wrote: Hi I bought a new WD 80GB disk and mount it with HardDrake and made one partition but when i look in KDiskFree i see that i got only 25 GB. What is wrong? Gil I'll refine the problem DiskDrake see the disk as is (74 GB) but KDiskFree see only 2.5 HD Gil Well WD is not a brand to buy since trhey OFFICIALLY support only Solaris and Windows, and besides they are hardware deficient on what it takes to do udma3 or higher and dangerous to use for your data at higher rates. Others can supply the info and links, but I will give you one... http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt2214_54.html#2 Basically WD disks are bad juju for linux. The real problem here may be one of mathematics, though. WD has this penchant for producing single-platter disks with one rack of heads each side (weigh it on a scale against competitive products and you will find the WD disk lighter) This means that the track number may be overflowing what Kdiskfree has available for track numbers with a resulting problem in viewing the disk. At one time the linux kernel would carve up big WD drives differently than the BIOS would with results that were just fantastic, but no other drives had ANY problems. This was true in Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2 for certain, but was corrected in kernel 2.2.19. Now, stop trusting kdf and let's see what dmesg says. Post the results and we'll see what the kernel says about free space. If there is still a problem, most likely the kernel's math will have to be adjusted for the most recent WD cheapness shortcut and another item will have to be added to the kernel's internal blacklist of cantankerous drives requiring special handling. Civileme This is the dmesg say Linux version 2.4.19-16mdk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.0 3.2-1mdk)) #1 Fri Sep 20 18:15:05 CEST 2002 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 13ffc000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 13ffc000 - 13fff000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 13fff000 - 1400 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: - 0001 (reserved) 319MB LOWMEM available. Advanced speculative caching feature not present On node 0 totalpages: 81916 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 77820 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=linux ro root=305 quiet devfs=mount hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdb=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling. Found and enabled local APIC! Initializing CPU#0 Detected 453.179 MHz processor. Console: colour dummy device 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 904.39 BogoMIPS Memory: 321644k/327664k available (1176k kernel code, 5632k reserved, 444k data, 136k init, 0k highmem) Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Inode cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Mount-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Buffer-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0383fbff , vendor = 0 CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 512K CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0383fbff Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU: After generic, caps: 0383fbff CPU: Common caps: 0383fbff CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 03 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX enabled ExtINT on CPU#0 ESR value before enabling vector: ESR value after enabling vector: Using local APIC timer interrupts. calibrating APIC timer ... . CPU clock speed is 453.1857 MHz. . host bus clock speed is 100.7078 MHz. cpu: 0, clocks: 1007078, slice: 503539 CPU0T0:1007072,T1:503520,D:13,S:503539,C:1007078 mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0890, last bus=1 PCI: Using
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my opinion is you can use this drive OK as long as you are not all that concerned with hard drive speed, fine as a print server and a backup server, but if you are building this box to do video or sound capture, forget it. (but I would most often suggest uwscsi2 at the least for video or sound capture) DMA 33 is not all that fast, but it will not loose (as) much data due to crc checking and chatter on the bus, as long as DMA 33 is as fast as you go. next time, just don't bother with WD. On Saturday 01 February 2003 01:03 pm, Gil Katz wrote: So what is the bottom line can i use this HD or not and if i gona change the HD which one to choose? Thanks Gil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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udma2 is safe--it is only 33Mhz which is in the range of 32-byte CRCs which the drives can do. The 57-byte CRCs required by udma3 and up 66-133MHz are beyond the capabilities of the 102 and maybe beyond the 80Mb as well; I have not kept up on the product through its most recent cycles since they seemed unwilling to change their policies. Civileme The bottom line is that the disk is probably safe and kdf needs overhaul. Certainly on that platform with no more than 33MHz udma you are on firm ground, but don't move the disk to a newer platform using 66-133MHz and 80-pin cables. It is OK to move it to a newer platform if you stick with a 40 pin cable. Somewhere a few generations ago like 8.1 there was a utility called drakopt which would run a thorough test of your HD speeds and optimize the setup... It still works, if you have hdparm loaded. But let's make double-sure and run one more test fdisk -l /dev/hdd should show a partition with an 80 G capacity I would recommend using smaller partitions in several categories. SWAP is always good to have on both disks of a pair and The possibility of IDE RAID with RAID0 for /usr to optimize for speed of program loading might not be a bad idea. http://www.geocities.com/civileme/raiddoc.html is a good link for an intro to linux software RAID The computer that made those png diagrams is still in use as my firewall. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:45, Gil Katz wrote: Hi I bought a new WD 80GB disk and mount it with HardDrake and made one partition but when i look in KDiskFree i see that i got only 25 GB. What is wrong? Gil I'll refine the problem DiskDrake see the disk as is (74 GB) but KDiskFree see only 2.5 HD Gil -- Fair well and thanks for all the fish Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Once it is mounted, do a df -h on the command line and see what it says. ~~Brad On Friday 31 January 2003 04:47 am, you wrote: On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:45, Gil Katz wrote: Hi I bought a new WD 80GB disk and mount it with HardDrake and made one partition but when i look in KDiskFree i see that i got only 25 GB. What is wrong? Gil I'll refine the problem DiskDrake see the disk as is (74 GB) but KDiskFree see only 2.5 HD Gil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 31 January 2003 02:47 am, Gil Katz wrote: On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:45, Gil Katz wrote: Hi I bought a new WD 80GB disk and mount it with HardDrake and made one partition but when i look in KDiskFree i see that i got only 25 GB. What is wrong? Gil I'll refine the problem DiskDrake see the disk as is (74 GB) but KDiskFree see only 2.5 HD Gil Well WD is not a brand to buy since trhey OFFICIALLY support only Solaris and Windows, and besides they are hardware deficient on what it takes to do udma3 or higher and dangerous to use for your data at higher rates. Others can supply the info and links, but I will give you one... http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt2214_54.html#2 Basically WD disks are bad juju for linux. The real problem here may be one of mathematics, though. WD has this penchant for producing single-platter disks with one rack of heads each side (weigh it on a scale against competitive products and you will find the WD disk lighter) This means that the track number may be overflowing what Kdiskfree has available for track numbers with a resulting problem in viewing the disk. At one time the linux kernel would carve up big WD drives differently than the BIOS would with results that were just fantastic, but no other drives had ANY problems. This was true in Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2 for certain, but was corrected in kernel 2.2.19. Now, stop trusting kdf and let's see what dmesg says. Post the results and we'll see what the kernel says about free space. If there is still a problem, most likely the kernel's math will have to be adjusted for the most recent WD cheapness shortcut and another item will have to be added to the kernel's internal blacklist of cantankerous drives requiring special handling. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD
On Friday 31 January 2003 20:20, civileme wrote: On Friday 31 January 2003 02:47 am, Gil Katz wrote: On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:45, Gil Katz wrote: Hi I bought a new WD 80GB disk and mount it with HardDrake and made one partition but when i look in KDiskFree i see that i got only 25 GB. What is wrong? Gil I'll refine the problem DiskDrake see the disk as is (74 GB) but KDiskFree see only 2.5 HD Gil Well WD is not a brand to buy since trhey OFFICIALLY support only Solaris and Windows, and besides they are hardware deficient on what it takes to do udma3 or higher and dangerous to use for your data at higher rates. Others can supply the info and links, but I will give you one... http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt2214_54.html#2 Basically WD disks are bad juju for linux. The real problem here may be one of mathematics, though. WD has this penchant for producing single-platter disks with one rack of heads each side (weigh it on a scale against competitive products and you will find the WD disk lighter) This means that the track number may be overflowing what Kdiskfree has available for track numbers with a resulting problem in viewing the disk. At one time the linux kernel would carve up big WD drives differently than the BIOS would with results that were just fantastic, but no other drives had ANY problems. This was true in Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2 for certain, but was corrected in kernel 2.2.19. Now, stop trusting kdf and let's see what dmesg says. Post the results and we'll see what the kernel says about free space. If there is still a problem, most likely the kernel's math will have to be adjusted for the most recent WD cheapness shortcut and another item will have to be added to the kernel's internal blacklist of cantankerous drives requiring special handling. Civileme This is the dmesg say Linux version 2.4.19-16mdk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.0 3.2-1mdk)) #1 Fri Sep 20 18:15:05 CEST 2002 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 13ffc000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 13ffc000 - 13fff000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 13fff000 - 1400 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: - 0001 (reserved) 319MB LOWMEM available. Advanced speculative caching feature not present On node 0 totalpages: 81916 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 77820 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=linux ro root=305 quiet devfs=mount hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdb=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling. Found and enabled local APIC! Initializing CPU#0 Detected 453.179 MHz processor. Console: colour dummy device 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 904.39 BogoMIPS Memory: 321644k/327664k available (1176k kernel code, 5632k reserved, 444k data, 136k init, 0k highmem) Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Inode cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Mount-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Buffer-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0383fbff , vendor = 0 CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 512K CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0383fbff Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU: After generic, caps: 0383fbff CPU: Common caps: 0383fbff CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 03 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX enabled ExtINT on CPU#0 ESR value before enabling vector: ESR value after enabling vector: Using local APIC timer interrupts. calibrating APIC timer ... . CPU clock speed is 453.1857 MHz. . host bus clock speed is 100.7078 MHz. cpu: 0, clocks: 1007078, slice: 503539 CPU0T0:1007072,T1:503520,D:13,S:503539,C:1007078 mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0890, last bus=1 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent PCI: Using IRQ router VIA [1106/0596] at 00:04.0 Activating ISA DMA hang workarounds. isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: Card 'U.S. Robotics 56K FAX INT' isapnp: 1 Plug Play card detected total Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Initializing RT netlink socket apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16) Starting
Re: [newbie] HD
On Friday 31 January 2003 02:33 pm, Gil Katz wrote: On Friday 31 January 2003 20:20, civileme wrote: On Friday 31 January 2003 02:47 am, Gil Katz wrote: On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:45, Gil Katz wrote: Hi I bought a new WD 80GB disk and mount it with HardDrake and made one partition but when i look in KDiskFree i see that i got only 25 GB. What is wrong? Gil I'll refine the problem DiskDrake see the disk as is (74 GB) but KDiskFree see only 2.5 HD Gil Well WD is not a brand to buy since trhey OFFICIALLY support only Solaris and Windows, and besides they are hardware deficient on what it takes to do udma3 or higher and dangerous to use for your data at higher rates. Others can supply the info and links, but I will give you one... http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt2214_54.html#2 Basically WD disks are bad juju for linux. The real problem here may be one of mathematics, though. WD has this penchant for producing single-platter disks with one rack of heads each side (weigh it on a scale against competitive products and you will find the WD disk lighter) This means that the track number may be overflowing what Kdiskfree has available for track numbers with a resulting problem in viewing the disk. At one time the linux kernel would carve up big WD drives differently than the BIOS would with results that were just fantastic, but no other drives had ANY problems. This was true in Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2 for certain, but was corrected in kernel 2.2.19. Now, stop trusting kdf and let's see what dmesg says. Post the results and we'll see what the kernel says about free space. If there is still a problem, most likely the kernel's math will have to be adjusted for the most recent WD cheapness shortcut and another item will have to be added to the kernel's internal blacklist of cantankerous drives requiring special handling. Civileme This is the dmesg say Linux version 2.4.19-16mdk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.0 3.2-1mdk)) #1 Fri Sep 20 18:15:05 CEST 2002 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 13ffc000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 13ffc000 - 13fff000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 13fff000 - 1400 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: - 0001 (reserved) 319MB LOWMEM available. Advanced speculative caching feature not present On node 0 totalpages: 81916 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 77820 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=linux ro root=305 quiet devfs=mount hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdb=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling. Found and enabled local APIC! Initializing CPU#0 Detected 453.179 MHz processor. Console: colour dummy device 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 904.39 BogoMIPS Memory: 321644k/327664k available (1176k kernel code, 5632k reserved, 444k data, 136k init, 0k highmem) Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Inode cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Mount-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Buffer-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0383fbff , vendor = 0 CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 512K CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0383fbff Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU: After generic, caps: 0383fbff CPU: Common caps: 0383fbff CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 03 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX enabled ExtINT on CPU#0 ESR value before enabling vector: ESR value after enabling vector: Using local APIC timer interrupts. calibrating APIC timer ... . CPU clock speed is 453.1857 MHz. . host bus clock speed is 100.7078 MHz. cpu: 0, clocks: 1007078, slice: 503539 CPU0T0:1007072,T1:503520,D:13,S:503539,C:1007078 mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0890, last bus=1 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent PCI: Using IRQ router VIA [1106/0596] at 00:04.0 Activating ISA DMA hang workarounds. isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: Card 'U.S. Robotics 56K FAX INT' isapnp: 1 Plug Play card detected total Linux NET4.0 for
[newbie] HD
Hi I bought a new WD 80GB disk and mount it with HardDrake and made one partition but when i look in KDiskFree i see that i got only 25 GB. What is wrong? Gil -- Fair well and thanks for all the fish Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD size
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 02:39 pm, FabiĂ¡n Reyes Prieto wrote: I have a hard disk with 3.9 gigs. How much bytes I need for install Mandrake 9.0 with Windows 2000 in one disk??? Mandrake 9.0 takes up about 1.3 Gb on my system including KDE, Gnome and Windowmaker, along with Open Office, Koffice and Gnome Office. I don't know what size Windows 2000 is on you system, but you should get plenty of toys with 1.3 Gb to spare. Rob -- Rob Blomquist Kirkland, WA On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section, it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux and lived happily ever after. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD size
I have a hard disk with 3.9 gigs. How much bytes I need for install Mandrake 9.0 with Windows 2000 in one disk??? Depending on just how much you want to install, as there is a good bit of overlapping stuff, such as the three office suites, I would guess that you could have a good working installiation right around 1 Gig. So it all depends on how much room your Win2K is using up. Rob I have a hard disk with 3.9 gigs. How much bytes I need for install Mandrake 9.0 with Windows 2000 in one disk??? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD size
* walt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [021208 09:55]: Is a 3.7 gig hard drive to small to run mandrake 9.0? one of my hard drives is going and until I buy a new one, I only have this small one to use for linux. That should be adequate for most purposes, assuming you need a fairly normal workstation or even server. With that size hard drive, though, I would watch carefully on installation and not install lots of stuff you don't need. It would be hard to install everything from Mdk 9.0 and still have room for a few users, log files, etc. Use expert install, and select individual packages. -- Jan Wilson, SysAdmin _/*]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corozal Junior College | |:' corozal.com corozal.bz Corozal Town, Belize | /' chetumal.com linux.bz Reg. Linux user #151611 |_/ Network, PHP, Perl, HTML Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] hd swap
Hi, I am running LM8.1 on a laptop (with much help from this list) along with W2K. I am running out of room so I am considering installing a 30 gig hard drive. What is the best method of transferring my entire system from one hd to the other? Has anyone had any luck with this? Regards, Bill W. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] hd swap
On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:41:11 -0800 Bill Winegarden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am running LM8.1 on a laptop (with much help from this list) along with W2K. I am running out of room so I am considering installing a 30 gig hard drive. What is the best method of transferring my entire system from one hd to the other? Has anyone had any luck with this? Regards, Bill W. If you can run both harddrives then use something like norton ghost to ghost the disk, boot to DOS disk and run ghost from floppy. After ghost, just swap the disks and reboot. I have done this on Desktop no problem and I ghost my client disk as backup regulary. HTH Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD spin down
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: OK, I did this: hdparm -S 6 /dev/hda hdparm -S 6 /dev/hdb to set both HD's to spin down after 30 seconds, just to test and see if it would work. It didn't, and I didn't see anything for troubleshooting on either the man page, or at mandrakeuser.org. Whats my next move? I don't think there's meant to be a space between the S and the number. Here's what I use: hdparm -c1d1S242 /dev/hda You can ignore the c1d1 here. Notice, however, the S242 (242 = 1 hour) on the end of the tag. Also, there may be background processes that still require the filesystem. I don't think 30 seconds would be long enough for everything to settle down. Try setting the interval to a few minutes, and then try it when there's nothing else (including X) running. Another thing to consider is your filesystem. If you use ReiserFS, the FS is polled every five minutes. This makes spindowns unlikely to work for drives with mounted ReiserFS partitions. Ext2, swap and FAT are fine in this regard. I don't know about the other journalling FSs. Hmm...OK, I tried taking out the space, but the same thing happened, ie the output told me the same thing, so I think it works with the space too. But, it still didn't work...and I do use ReiserFS. Guess it's time to kick this one up to the expert list, eh? Thanks for your help, Sridhar... peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD spin down
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Roger Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: OK, I did this: hdparm -S 6 /dev/hda hdparm -S 6 /dev/hdb to set both HD's to spin down after 30 seconds, just to test and see if it would work. It didn't, and I didn't see anything for troubleshooting on either the man page, or at mandrakeuser.org. Whats my next move? I don't think there's meant to be a space between the S and the number. Here's what I use: hdparm -c1d1S242 /dev/hda You can ignore the c1d1 here. Notice, however, the S242 (242 = 1 hour) on the end of the tag. Also, there may be background processes that still require the filesystem. I don't think 30 seconds would be long enough for everything to settle down. Try setting the interval to a few minutes, and then try it when there's nothing else (including X) running. Another thing to consider is your filesystem. If you use ReiserFS, the FS is polled every five minutes. This makes spindowns unlikely to work for drives with mounted ReiserFS partitions. Ext2, swap and FAT are fine in this regard. I don't know about the other journalling FSs. Hmm...OK, I tried taking out the space, but the same thing happened, ie the output told me the same thing, so I think it works with the space too. But, it still didn't work...and I do use ReiserFS. Guess it's time to kick this one up to the expert list, eh? Thanks for your help, Sridhar... Try installing drivetweak. It is on CD3 of 8.1 and is a GUI frontend to hdpram. Using a GUI for to adjust the settings you need not worry about the syntax being wrong. Charles (-: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD spin down
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Roger Sherman wrote: On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: OK, I did this: hdparm -S 6 /dev/hda hdparm -S 6 /dev/hdb to set both HD's to spin down after 30 seconds, just to test and see if it would work. It didn't, and I didn't see anything for troubleshooting on either the man page, or at mandrakeuser.org. Whats my next move? I don't think there's meant to be a space between the S and the number. Here's what I use: hdparm -c1d1S242 /dev/hda You can ignore the c1d1 here. Notice, however, the S242 (242 = 1 hour) on the end of the tag. Also, there may be background processes that still require the filesystem. I don't think 30 seconds would be long enough for everything to settle down. Try setting the interval to a few minutes, and then try it when there's nothing else (including X) running. Another thing to consider is your filesystem. If you use ReiserFS, the FS is polled every five minutes. This makes spindowns unlikely to work for drives with mounted ReiserFS partitions. Ext2, swap and FAT are fine in this regard. I don't know about the other journalling FSs. Hmm...OK, I tried taking out the space, but the same thing happened, ie the output told me the same thing, so I think it works with the space too. But, it still didn't work...and I do use ReiserFS. Guess it's time to kick this one up to the expert list, eh? Thanks for your help, Sridhar... Sridhar, someone just sent me a note suggesting that my thanks to you was less than sincere...hope you didn't take it that way, since without you I wouldn't even have known about hdparm. Thanks again! peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD spin down
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Charles A Edwards wrote: Try installing drivetweak. It is on CD3 of 8.1 and is a GUI frontend to hdpram. Using a GUI for to adjust the settings you need not worry about the syntax being wrong. Charles (-: I don't think that would work for me, as I use 7.2. Thanks anyways! :-) peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] HD spin down
rgds Frank Hauptle. Fire up webmin, then go to hardware, then I think its under partitions or something, there is an IDE parameters section.. you can modify your hdparm settings in there, and if they work, (you can test it from there as well) cut and paste the results onto the end of your rc.local file... It works well,, or at least it did for me. I did it on 7.2, and for my second hard disk on 8.1, which drakopt didn't like.. doubled the speed on my second harddrive and no errors... good stuff, and webmin gives you some good info on the vrious options as well. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Sherman Sent: Saturday, 20 October 2001 5:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HD spin down On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Charles A Edwards wrote: Try installing drivetweak. It is on CD3 of 8.1 and is a GUI frontend to hdpram. Using a GUI for to adjust the settings you need not worry about the syntax being wrong. Charles (-: I don't think that would work for me, as I use 7.2. Thanks anyways! :-) peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] HD spin down
The HDPARM GUI test is buried in one of the CDs somewhere. It's amazing how many programs are NOT installed off the 3 CD set, even if you've selected everything. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Franki |Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 5:48 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: RE: [newbie] HD spin down | | | | |rgds | | |Frank Hauptle. | | | |Fire up webmin, then go to hardware, then I think its under |partitions or something, there is an IDE parameters section.. | |you can modify your hdparm settings in there, and if they |work, (you can test it from there as well) cut and paste the |results onto the end of your rc.local file... | |It works well,, or at least it did for me. I did it on 7.2, |and for my second hard disk on 8.1, which drakopt didn't like.. | |doubled the speed on my second harddrive and no errors... good |stuff, and webmin gives you some good info on the vrious |options as well. | | | | |rgds | |Frank | | | |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On |Behalf Of Roger |Sherman |Sent: Saturday, 20 October 2001 5:35 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] HD spin down | | |On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Charles A Edwards wrote: | | | | Try installing drivetweak. | It is on CD3 of 8.1 and is a GUI frontend to hdpram. | Using a GUI for to adjust the settings you need not worry about the | syntax being wrong. | |Charles (-: | | |I don't think that would work for me, as I use 7.2. Thanks anyways! :-) | | | | | | | |peace, | |Rog | |The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of |times before I hit him | | | | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] HD spin down
Nope, you have got it,, test it, then try something and test it again, and so on and so forth... it may take a while but keep a record of what you do and what paramaters you are passing hdparm, and watch for error messages on the box... keep a record of your best results and use those parameters.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Sherman Sent: Saturday, 20 October 2001 6:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] HD spin down On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Franki wrote: Fire up webmin, then go to hardware, then I think its under partitions or something, there is an IDE parameters section.. OK so far... you can modify your hdparm settings in there, and if they work, (you can test it from there as well) cut and paste the results onto the end of your rc.local file... OK, there are two buttons here...one that says apply to disk, the other says Test Speed. When I hit that button it says: Speed test results Buffered: 25.75 MB/sec Buffer cache 2.63 MB/sec Nothing about whether or not the hdparm setting would have any effect. Is there another testing procedure I'm not seeing? It works well,, or at least it did for me. I did it on 7.2, and for my second hard disk on 8.1, which drakopt didn't like.. doubled the speed on my second harddrive and no errors... good stuff, and webmin gives you some good info on the vrious options as well. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Sherman Sent: Saturday, 20 October 2001 5:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HD spin down On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Charles A Edwards wrote: Try installing drivetweak. It is on CD3 of 8.1 and is a GUI frontend to hdpram. Using a GUI for to adjust the settings you need not worry about the syntax being wrong. Charles (-: I don't think that would work for me, as I use 7.2. Thanks anyways! :-) peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] HD spin down
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Franki wrote: Nope, you have got it,, test it, then try something and test it again, and so on and so forth... it may take a while but keep a record of what you do and what paramaters you are passing hdparm, and watch for error messages on the box... keep a record of your best results and use those parameters.. OK man, thanks! :-) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Sherman Sent: Saturday, 20 October 2001 6:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] HD spin down On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Franki wrote: Fire up webmin, then go to hardware, then I think its under partitions or something, there is an IDE parameters section.. OK so far... you can modify your hdparm settings in there, and if they work, (you can test it from there as well) cut and paste the results onto the end of your rc.local file... OK, there are two buttons here...one that says apply to disk, the other says Test Speed. When I hit that button it says: Speed test results Buffered: 25.75 MB/sec Buffer cache 2.63 MB/sec Nothing about whether or not the hdparm setting would have any effect. Is there another testing procedure I'm not seeing? It works well,, or at least it did for me. I did it on 7.2, and for my second hard disk on 8.1, which drakopt didn't like.. doubled the speed on my second harddrive and no errors... good stuff, and webmin gives you some good info on the vrious options as well. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Sherman Sent: Saturday, 20 October 2001 5:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HD spin down On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Charles A Edwards wrote: Try installing drivetweak. It is on CD3 of 8.1 and is a GUI frontend to hdpram. Using a GUI for to adjust the settings you need not worry about the syntax being wrong. Charles (-: I don't think that would work for me, as I use 7.2. Thanks anyways! :-) peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him peace, Rog Registered Linux user #190719 The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD spin down
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:43:55 -0400 (EDT), Roger Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Roger Sherman wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:17:35 -0400 (EDT), Roger Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think my hard drives are spinning down when I leave the machine unattended for a while. I like to leave the PC on pretty much 24/7, so obviously it would be good for the lives of the hard drives if they were to spin down. Can anyone tell me what to set to get them to do that? peace, Rog This can be done with hdparm, the same command that is used to optimise drive speeds. For more info, see the man page and the tutorial at mandrakeuser.org. OK, I did this: hdparm -S 6 /dev/hda hdparm -S 6 /dev/hdb to set both HD's to spin down after 30 seconds, just to test and see if it would work. It didn't, and I didn't see anything for troubleshooting on either the man page, or at mandrakeuser.org. Whats my next move? peace, Rog I don't think there's meant to be a space between the S and the number. Here's what I use: hdparm -c1d1S242 /dev/hda You can ignore the c1d1 here. Notice, however, the S242 (242 = 1 hour) on the end of the tag. Also, there may be background processes that still require the filesystem. I don't think 30 seconds would be long enough for everything to settle down. Try setting the interval to a few minutes, and then try it when there's nothing else (including X) running. Another thing to consider is your filesystem. If you use ReiserFS, the FS is polled every five minutes. This makes spindowns unlikely to work for drives with mounted ReiserFS partitions. Ext2, swap and FAT are fine in this regard. I don't know about the other journalling FSs. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] HD spin down
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Franki wrote: Fire up webmin, then go to hardware, then I think its under partitions or something, there is an IDE parameters section.. OK so far... you can modify your hdparm settings in there, and if they work, (you can test it from there as well) cut and paste the results onto the end of your rc.local file... OK, there are two buttons here...one that says apply to disk, the other says Test Speed. When I hit that button it says: Speed test results Buffered: 25.75 MB/sec Buffer cache 2.63 MB/sec Nothing about whether or not the hdparm setting would have any effect. Is there another testing procedure I'm not seeing? It works well,, or at least it did for me. I did it on 7.2, and for my second hard disk on 8.1, which drakopt didn't like.. doubled the speed on my second harddrive and no errors... good stuff, and webmin gives you some good info on the vrious options as well. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Sherman Sent: Saturday, 20 October 2001 5:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HD spin down On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Charles A Edwards wrote: Try installing drivetweak. It is on CD3 of 8.1 and is a GUI frontend to hdpram. Using a GUI for to adjust the settings you need not worry about the syntax being wrong. Charles (-: I don't think that would work for me, as I use 7.2. Thanks anyways! :-) peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD spin down
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:28:42 -0400 (EDT), Roger Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Roger Sherman wrote: On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: OK, I did this: hdparm -S 6 /dev/hda hdparm -S 6 /dev/hdb to set both HD's to spin down after 30 seconds, just to test and see if it would work. It didn't, and I didn't see anything for troubleshooting on either the man page, or at mandrakeuser.org. Whats my next move? I don't think there's meant to be a space between the S and the number. Here's what I use: hdparm -c1d1S242 /dev/hda You can ignore the c1d1 here. Notice, however, the S242 (242 = 1 hour) on the end of the tag. Also, there may be background processes that still require the filesystem. I don't think 30 seconds would be long enough for everything to settle down. Try setting the interval to a few minutes, and then try it when there's nothing else(including X) running. Another thing to consider is your filesystem. If you use ReiserFS, the FS is polled every five minutes. This makes spindowns unlikely to work for drives with mounted ReiserFS partitions. Ext2, swap and FAT are fine in this regard. I don't know about the other journalling FSs. Hmm...OK, I tried taking out the space, but the same thing happened, ie the output told me the same thing, so I think it works with the space too. But, it still didn't work...and I do use ReiserFS. Guess it's time to kick this one up to the expert list, eh? Thanks for your help, Sridhar... Sridhar, someone just sent me a note suggesting that my thanks to you was less than sincere...hope you didn't take it that way, since without you I wouldn't even have known about hdparm. Thanks again! Less than sincere? No, I didn't take it that way at all. Don't worry about it :) peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him -- Sridhar Dhanapalan Anyone who says you can have a lot of widely dispersed people hack away on a complicated piece of code and avoid total anarchy has never managed a software project. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, 1992, writing to Linus Torvalds. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] HD spin down
I don't think my hard drives are spinning down when I leave the machine unattended for a while. I like to leave the PC on pretty much 24/7, so obviously it would be good for the lives of the hard drives if they were to spin down. Can anyone tell me what to set to get them to do that? peace, Rog The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HD bad sectors
Sometimes Windows will erroneously mark sectors as bad especially if it has been more than a few months since the last time that you re-installed Windows or if you use (or have used) an old version of Norton Utilities, like 3.0. Normally I say that once a disk (floppy or hard) starts to go bad, chuck it. From many years of experience I have noticed that once a disk starts going bad, its all down hill from there. Plus disks are cheep these days and if you can afford a computer, then you can afford to replace funky (and tiny) old disk for something much bigger and better. Busterfred wrote: One of my old hard drives has some bad sectors. (I know from previous Windows work.) If I use this hard drive for /home or swap, will Linux care? Does it just avoid these sectors? Or am I in for corrupted files and lost data? Rootbus
Re: [newbie] HD bad sectors
At 04-02-2001 -0500, you wrote: One of my old hard drives has some bad sectors. (I know from previous Windows work.) If I use this hard drive for /home or swap, will Linux care? Yes, very likely. I try to install Linux on an old drive with bad sectors and almost blow my top; Suggest scan your drive so that bad sectors are marked out. During install, linux will also ask to format drive and check for bad sectors. Good Luck. Does it just avoid these sectors? Or am I in for corrupted files and lost data? Rootbus
[newbie] HD bad sectors
One of my old hard drives has some bad sectors. (I know from previous Windows work.) If I use this hard drive for /home or swap, will Linux care? Does it just avoid these sectors? Or am I in for corrupted files and lost data? Rootbus
Re: [newbie] HD bad sectors
Does it just avoid these sectors? Or am I in for corrupted files and lost data? You will be if you use it as is -- assuming ~anything~ even writes to it without complaint. Run fscheck on it. There are lots of differnet options available in the man file. I have a few 580MB drives one 1.6MB drive I intend to run through that eventually. At work, if a drive fails, they run only dos scandisk on the drives. If they fail, they go in the trash...or in my shoulder bag;-). Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
Re: [newbie] HD Partition question
Jacqueline Michell wrote: Irsquo;m very sorry if this is a dumb question. I bought Linux-Mandrake 7.2 (powerpack deluxe) and need some advice on partitions before I install. I have no experience with Linux and find the installation manual unclear on this point. I have also searched the newbie archives. My 15G HD now has two partitions: 7.14G (C:) Windows and Windows applications that are already installed--AND--7.13G (E:) reserved for Linux--not yet installed. (I need to be able to dual-boot to either Windows or Linux.) My questions: 1. Is there a way to insure that Linux is installed on the E:\drive? If so, is this choice made in the Recommended, Customized, or Expert class of installation? 2. Or---do I need to remove the E: partition and let Linux make itrsquo;s own partitions? If so, can one make sure that both OS have about equal HD space? Any help will be greatly appreciated . . . Jacqueline Michell Ummm, well, just delete partition E and use customized install. On the blank end of the disk click with the mouse pointer and let it set up root (/ mount point) swap /usr and /home. If you want to choose sizes, make root (/) at least 500Mb /usr at least 3 G, and swap about 250 Mb. Let /home have the rest. Windows will NOT see any of those partitions, but you can make the first partition(drive C: which linux will call /dev/hda1) have a mount point called /mnt/windows which will give you access from linux to your windows files. There is a program available by searching freshmeat.net called explore2fs at this location which will allow windows to see your linux files, but I do recommend that you not use it to write to the linux partitions from windows. Writing in the other direction is much safer, i. e. let linux read your windows files. Civileme
Re: [newbie] HD Partition question
On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Jacqueline Michell wrote: My 15G HD now has two partitions: 7.14G (C:) Windows and Windows applications that are already installed--AND--7.13G (E:) reserved for Linux--not yet installed. (I need to be able to dual-boot to either Windows or Linux.) If you have a C and an E drive, does this mean your CD is D:? just curious... My questions: 1. Is there a way to insure that Linux is installed on the E:\drive? If so, is this choice made in the Recommended, Customized, or Expert class of installation? You are always asked where you want Linux installed. The first partition will be /dev/hda1, the C: drive. Do Not Use That. At a certain moment the installation program will ask you if it should use its own intelligence to assign diskspace, or if you want to do it yourself. Do it yourself. Do not go for Fdisk when asked, use diskdrake. The FAT partition(s) will be marked in a certain color. When you click a partition, the screen will tell you what the program has detected there. You can then select the second partition, where you want Linux, tell the installer that you want to use that. 2. Or---do I need to remove the E: partition and let Linux make itÂ’s own partitions? If so, can one make sure that both OS have about equal HD space? This would make things a bit easier, then you do not have to meddle with the installer to clear the partition first. Then you can make the partitions for linux (swap, /home, /usr and /) directly. Good luck Paul -- A friend is someone who knows us and loves us anyway http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] HD Partition question
hi Jacqueline; how comfortable are you with messing with your computer? i can tell you one way to do this, tho there might be easer ways. 1st -- have you backed up your windows system (or have the CDs to reinstall) on the off chance you kill windows? =) but yes, you can put linux on your E drive, leave win on your C duel boot, not a problem. i would use the expert install. when it gets to the point where you have to select the partitions to mount the file system it will open diskdrake which will show your drive and you will see 2 fat partitions. select the "E" partition (make darn sure you select the right one -- look at the size of each one) then you can change the type of drive -- it will be fat32, you want to change it to ext2 -- then you can format that drive -- then you can tell the install program to mount your file system there. from diskdrake you can also break that partition into smaller partitions if you want to mount linux on seperate partitions. diskdrake is pretty straight forward (i figured it out) just be sure you read everything carefully before you click on anything =) i hope this makes sense helps you out Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Jacqueline Michell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12:32:27 PM 11/24/00 I*m very sorry if this is a dumb question. I bought Linux-Mandrake 7.2 (powerpack deluxe) and need some advice on partitions before I install. I have no experience with Linux and find the installation manual unclear on this point. I have also searched the newbie archives. My 15G HD now has two partitions: 7.14G (C:) Windows and Windows applications that are already installed--AND--7.13G (E:) reserved for Linux--not yet installed. (I need to be able to dual-boot to either Windows or Linux.) My questions: 1. Is there a way to insure that Linux is installed on the E:\drive? If so, is this choice made in the Recommended, Customized, or Expert class of installation? 2. Or---do I need to remove the E: partition and let Linux make it*s own partitions? If so, can one make sure that both OS have about equal HD space? Any help will be greatly appreciated . . . Jacqueline Michell
[newbie] HD.......
Hi, recently when i've been browsing the internet i have noticed, particularly when scrolling on a webpage that my hard drive is working a bit harder than usual, just seems a bit noisier and working overtime, it's like it's just spinning faster when i scroll...i'm running AMD K6-2 450mhz, 128meg Ram, 6.4 gig HD, dual booting win98/linux. If i haven't explained this properly please tell me, any help would be greatthanks in advance. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [newbie] HD lost linux partition
My hard drive was partitioned 2 gigs for windows and 4 gigs for linux. I was running mandrake pkg 6.5. I was loading 7.1 and really messed up. The drive now shows 2 gig windows and 4 gigs free space. I cannot reclaim the free space so I can get my linux back in. Tried fdisk and other windows program to reclaim free space. Nothing works.. How can I get the space back? Have you tried just installing Linux? Generally it will simply identify free space and use it as its installation location. Seems to me that you have the ideal situation for an auto-install by Mandrake. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] HD problems during install - cylinder 1024
If a softfware fix was used when installing the 15GB hd to get by the size limitation in the BIOS then the 1024 error will occur regardless of where the boot partition is placed. The only boot loader I have found that do not suffer this is Grub( which will be available in 7.1 ) and SystemCommander Deluxe. Charles - Original Message - From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] HD problems during install - cylinder 1024 On Fri, 26 May 2000, Fu Shanks wrote: Installing: Mandrake 7.0 Complete on a 5GB partition Running: Windows 98 WD 15 GB 7200RPM HD When trying to install BootMagic, it says it cannot install since the partition is beyond cylinder 1024. I have the same problem using DiskDrake and LILO (LILO won't install due to this problem). Any suggestions? Create a small partition at the beginning of the disk (partition magic) to have /boot there (which is where LILO will be happy). Paul )0(---)0( Nothing is as easy as it looks. )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]]-)0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403
[newbie] HD problems during install - cylinder 1024
Installing: Mandrake 7.0 Complete on a 5GB partition Running: Windows 98 WD 15 GB 7200RPM HD When trying to install BootMagic, it says it cannot install since the partition is beyond cylinder 1024. I have the same problem using DiskDrake and LILO (LILO won't install due to this problem). Any suggestions? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [newbie] HD problems during install - cylinder 1024
On Fri, 26 May 2000, Fu Shanks wrote: Installing: Mandrake 7.0 Complete on a 5GB partition Running: Windows 98 WD 15 GB 7200RPM HD When trying to install BootMagic, it says it cannot install since the partition is beyond cylinder 1024. I have the same problem using DiskDrake and LILO (LILO won't install due to this problem). Any suggestions? Create a small partition at the beginning of the disk (partition magic) to have /boot there (which is where LILO will be happy). Paul )0(---)0( Nothing is as easy as it looks. )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]]-)0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403
Re: [newbie] HD problems during install - cylinder 1024
The boot loader can't be installed on a partition that goes beyond cylinder 1024. I believe one solution is to make a small boot partition that is at the very first of the the HD on which Linux is to be installed. Don J. - Original Message - From: Fu Shanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:10 PM Subject: [newbie] HD problems during install - cylinder 1024 Installing: Mandrake 7.0 Complete on a 5GB partition Running: Windows 98 WD 15 GB 7200RPM HD When trying to install BootMagic, it says it cannot install since the partition is beyond cylinder 1024. I have the same problem using DiskDrake and LILO (LILO won't install due to this problem). Any suggestions? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Fw: [newbie] HD problems
-- Date: (No, or invalid, date.) From: mmcmanus To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] HD problems I can not install Mandrake 7.0 linux. It loaded and work perfectly but when other OS's where loaded to compare, it would not install properly. The error message I get is: linux mandrake release 7 (air) kernel 2.2.14-15mdk on an i586 /ttyl localhoast login:kdm:error in loading shared libraries :libkimgio.so.2:cannot open red object file: no such file or directory It repeats this message I have a asus sp97-v motherbord pentium 233 mmx cpu adaptec 2940uw scsi card 1.08 gig hard drive scsi 9.0g hd scsi 64meg ram
Re: [newbie] HD sizes and such
Full install is approximately 1.3GB. You can use custom install and make it something less than that figure. HTH, Matt From: Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] HD sizes and such Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:05:07 -0800 Howdy all. Just joined this list, and should be installing Mandrake next week, if all goes well. I am wondering if someone could tell me how much HD space i should partition for it? I have 1.7 gigs left on my drive. Winblows and stuff takes the rest up. Would like 1.5 or something be okay?? I want to make sure i really love Linux, before nuking off WinBlows, like im sure i will =) I am not sure how big Linux installs as either, from what i could see, almost a gig for full install or something. Anyways, thanx for any help, i can get. Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [newbie] HD sizes and such
On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, you wrote: Howdy all. Just joined this list, and should be installing Mandrake next week, if all goes well. I am wondering if someone could tell me how much HD space i should partition for it? I have 1.7 gigs left on my drive. Winblows and stuff takes the rest up. Would like 1.5 or something be okay?? I want to make sure i really love Linux, before nuking off WinBlows, like im sure i will =) I am not sure how big Linux installs as either, from what i could see, almost a gig for full install or something. Anyways, thanx for any help, i can get. I would strongly suggest that you consider making about a 10 - 15 meg partition right at the head of your drive (using Partition Magic or some such to make the space at the head) to ensure that you get the kernel within the first 1024 cylinders on your hard drive. After that, I think 1.5 Gig would be sufficient (depending on what all you install.) Name that first partition "/boot" when you go to install. And call the rest of the linux space "/" for your "root" partition. Also, depending on how much RAM you have, I'd make the swap space anywhere from 64 megs to 128 megs (if you've got 64 megs of ram, 64 megs of swap SHOULD be sufficient for most things 128 megs if you've got less than 64 meg RAM!) John
[newbie] HD sizes and such
Howdy all. Just joined this list, and should be installing Mandrake next week, if all goes well. I am wondering if someone could tell me how much HD space i should partition for it? I have 1.7 gigs left on my drive. Winblows and stuff takes the rest up. Would like 1.5 or something be okay?? I want to make sure i really love Linux, before nuking off WinBlows, like im sure i will =) I am not sure how big Linux installs as either, from what i could see, almost a gig for full install or something. Anyways, thanx for any help, i can get. Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] HD sizes and such
Howdy all. Just joined this list, and should be installing Mandrake next week, if all goes well. I am wondering if someone could tell me how much HD space i should partition for it? I have 1.7 gigs left on my drive. Winblows and stuff takes the rest up. Would like 1.5 or something be okay?? I want to make sure i really love Linux, before nuking off WinBlows, like im sure i will =) I am not sure how big Linux installs as either, from what i could see, almost a gig for full install or something. Anyways, thanx for any help, i can get. Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] HD-Install vs. FTP-Install?
Sean Pritchard wrote: OK STEVE: I now have all the files for 6.1 (Did I need to download the whole Mandrake/ directory? as /Mandrake/ /RMPS/ /base/ /instimage/ /lib/ /modules/ /usr/ /bin/ /etc/ ?? Looks good. Do I now just stick in the floppy with the Boot.img on it and Reboot? At which point will I have tell the Install program where the Mandrake/ directory is [I have a feeling it is all self explanatory from here as a regular install. It is pretty self-explanatory. The install routine will ask what type of installation media you want to use: CD or HD. From there, it's just like a regular install (only much faster, I would think!) Will I be selecting "Install" / "Upgrade, as in the regular CD installation? Yup. It'll go just like the normal CD procedure. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] HD-Install vs. FTP-Install?
Sean Pritchard wrote: OK I found some vague documention to HD Installations, and NFS/FTP/HTTP Installations. With cable internet access, I should be able to do an FTP install, but I could use someone's opinion on wether I should do a HD download and install versus an FTP install and which of the two is more reliable. I have copied both the Boot.img and Bootnet.img to floppies and I am ready to toss a coin on how to install 6.1. [I should go out and buy a CD-r though, a little more costly, but probably the easiest method vs. buying the boxed version] Since cable is an always-on technology (as opposed to PPP which requires outside assistance to bring up), you should be able to do an FTP install. The benefit of doing that is that you can download only what you actually install. The downside is that you'll have to download piecemeal if you decide to install new packages. The HD download is great if you've got an extra partition that you can leave packages in for the duration. Beyond that, I suppose the only benefit to an HD install is that you can do it with just a floppy. I'd give the FTP install a try... though it might be a bit slow since it's release day and all... -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] HD-Install vs. FTP-Install?
Thanx Steve, I have a feeling an FTP, might work because of the type of NIC that I have. I have a DFE-530TX (D-Link 10/100 pci). It uses the via-rhine module, yet at installation in MDK 6.0 it (the download process) wouldn't recognize it as such. In Linuxconf, I simply had to type in via-rhine as my eth module, though if you read the list provided in Linuxconf, via-rhine wasn't there. But if you could tell me if D-Link drivers are there in the Bootnet.img, it could work for me I guess. I am downloading EVERYTHING right now, in the RPMS I am alphabetically in the list at "i", after only 2 hours. But I downloaded the other folders under Mandrake/ before getting the RPMS. One question though, I do need a separate partition to put "Mandrake/" and it's contents into correct/ and then boot with the floppy? Regards, Sean Steve Philp wrote: Sean Pritchard wrote: OK I found some vague documention to HD Installations, and NFS/FTP/HTTP Installations. With cable internet access, I should be able to do an FTP install, but I could use someone's opinion on wether I should do a HD download and install versus an FTP install and which of the two is more reliable. I have copied both the Boot.img and Bootnet.img to floppies and I am ready to toss a coin on how to install 6.1. [I should go out and buy a CD-r though, a little more costly, but probably the easiest method vs. buying the boxed version] Since cable is an always-on technology (as opposed to PPP which requires outside assistance to bring up), you should be able to do an FTP install. The benefit of doing that is that you can download only what you actually install. The downside is that you'll have to download piecemeal if you decide to install new packages. The HD download is great if you've got an extra partition that you can leave packages in for the duration. Beyond that, I suppose the only benefit to an HD install is that you can do it with just a floppy. I'd give the FTP install a try... though it might be a bit slow since it's release day and all... -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] HD-Install vs. FTP-Install?
Sean Pritchard wrote: Thanx Steve, I have a feeling an FTP, might work because of the type of NIC that I have. I have a DFE-530TX (D-Link 10/100 pci). It uses the via-rhine module, yet at installation in MDK 6.0 it (the download process) wouldn't recognize it as such. In Linuxconf, I simply had to type in via-rhine as my eth module, though if you read the list provided in Linuxconf, via-rhine wasn't there. But if you could tell me if D-Link drivers are there in the Bootnet.img, it could work for me I guess. Not a clue, it'll probably be a month or two before I move to 6.1. I am downloading EVERYTHING right now, in the RPMS I am alphabetically in the list at "i", after only 2 hours. But I downloaded the other folders under Mandrake/ before getting the RPMS. One question though, I do need a separate partition to put "Mandrake/" and it's contents into correct/ and then boot with the floppy? No, no need for a separate partition. Regards, Sean Steve Philp wrote: Sean Pritchard wrote: OK I found some vague documention to HD Installations, and NFS/FTP/HTTP Installations. With cable internet access, I should be able to do an FTP install, but I could use someone's opinion on wether I should do a HD download and install versus an FTP install and which of the two is more reliable. I have copied both the Boot.img and Bootnet.img to floppies and I am ready to toss a coin on how to install 6.1. [I should go out and buy a CD-r though, a little more costly, but probably the easiest method vs. buying the boxed version] Since cable is an always-on technology (as opposed to PPP which requires outside assistance to bring up), you should be able to do an FTP install. The benefit of doing that is that you can download only what you actually install. The downside is that you'll have to download piecemeal if you decide to install new packages. The HD download is great if you've got an extra partition that you can leave packages in for the duration. Beyond that, I suppose the only benefit to an HD install is that you can do it with just a floppy. I'd give the FTP install a try... though it might be a bit slow since it's release day and all... -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] HD-Install vs. FTP-Install?
OK STEVE: I now have all the files for 6.1 (Did I need to download the whole Mandrake/ directory? as /Mandrake/ /RMPS/ /base/ /instimage/ /lib/ /modules/ /usr/ /bin/ /etc/ ?? Do I now just stick in the floppy with the Boot.img on it and Reboot? At which point will I have tell the Install program where the Mandrake/ directory is [I have a feeling it is all self explanatory from here as a regular install. Will I be selecting "Install" / "Upgrade, as in the regular CD installation? Regards, Sean http://www.sjptech.com Steve Philp wrote: Sean Pritchard wrote: Thanx Steve, I have a feeling an FTP, might work because of the type of NIC that I have. I have a DFE-530TX (D-Link 10/100 pci). It uses the via-rhine module, yet at installation in MDK 6.0 it (the download process) wouldn't recognize it as such. In Linuxconf, I simply had to type in via-rhine as my eth module, though if you read the list provided in Linuxconf, via-rhine wasn't there. But if you could tell me if D-Link drivers are there in the Bootnet.img, it could work for me I guess. Not a clue, it'll probably be a month or two before I move to 6.1. I am downloading EVERYTHING right now, in the RPMS I am alphabetically in the list at "i", after only 2 hours. But I downloaded the other folders under Mandrake/ before getting the RPMS. One question though, I do need a separate partition to put "Mandrake/" and it's contents into correct/ and then boot with the floppy? No, no need for a separate partition. Regards, Sean Steve Philp wrote: Sean Pritchard wrote: OK I found some vague documention to HD Installations, and NFS/FTP/HTTP Installations. With cable internet access, I should be able to do an FTP install, but I could use someone's opinion on wether I should do a HD download and install versus an FTP install and which of the two is more reliable. I have copied both the Boot.img and Bootnet.img to floppies and I am ready to toss a coin on how to install 6.1. [I should go out and buy a CD-r though, a little more costly, but probably the easiest method vs. buying the boxed version] Since cable is an always-on technology (as opposed to PPP which requires outside assistance to bring up), you should be able to do an FTP install. The benefit of doing that is that you can download only what you actually install. The downside is that you'll have to download piecemeal if you decide to install new packages. The HD download is great if you've got an extra partition that you can leave packages in for the duration. Beyond that, I suppose the only benefit to an HD install is that you can do it with just a floppy. I'd give the FTP install a try... though it might be a bit slow since it's release day and all... -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] HD-Install/Upgrade
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, David M. Kufta wrote: I have just about completed a mirror of cooker and was not thinking when I mirrored the distro to a third 8.4 GB IDE drive this mirror should be complete in a short time. I had intentions of doing a HD Install to upgrade my exsisting Linux-Mandrake-6.0 to 6.1 version. I know that this can be done from a dos partition, however this particular machine has only Linux-Mandrake installed. Not a problem. I would appreciate any advise as to how I would best proceed to do this upgrade, and if in fact a HD Install would work from /dev/hdc1 or if it would be best to simply make use of RPM and do the upgrade using rpm -Uvh *. Based on past experience, you'd be better off reformatting / and doing a fresh install- the "Upgrade" option pretty much sucks. Although, I'd imagine that it's perfectly possible to upgrade (and install) the new RPMs. I just wouldn't do it myself. I also noticed the latest MandrakeUpdate agent has reference to version 6.1, possibly this would be the best way to proceed. It could very well be the better way- I'm not entirely sure what you mean, as my update agent doesn't show this (perhaps I'm not looking in the right place?), but if you're talking about pointing Update to a mirror of Cooker instead of the 6.0/updates directory, then that would be equivalent to hand-installing selected RPMs from Cooker. -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] HD-Install/Upgrade
Good evening,
I have just about completed a mirror of cooker and was not thinking when
I mirrored the distro to a third 8.4 GB IDE drive this mirror should be
complete in a short time. I had intentions of doing a HD Install to
upgrade my exsisting Linux-Mandrake-6.0 to 6.1 version. I know that this
can be done from a dos partition, however this particular machine has only
Linux-Mandrake installed. I would appreciate any advise as to how I would
best proceed to do this upgrade, and if in fact a HD Install would work
from /dev/hdc1 or if it would be best to simply make use of RPM and do the
upgrade using rpm -Uvh *. I also noticed the latest MandrakeUpdate agent
has reference to version 6.1, possibly this would be the best way to
proceed. All suggestions would be very much appreciated.
Distribution: Red Hat Linux
Operating System: Linux
Distribution Version: Linux Mandrake release 6.0 (Venus)
Operating System Version: #1 Mon Jul 19 21:36:50 CEST 1999
Operating System Release: 2.2.10-34mdk
Processor Type:i586
Host Name: slip.n3meq.ampr.org
User Name: n3meq
X Display Name::0
System Status: 9:35am up 5 days, 3:10, 2 users, load average:
0.78, 0.36, 0.13
The above is some information for my current system, This system
uses a AMD-K6 3D processor @ 400 MHz with a single 128M pc-100 SDRAM
Motherboard is a DFI P5BV3 +. Monitor is a Ultra 17 Princeton Graphics,
CD-ROM is ATAPI 32X XM-6202B Toshiba, Sound Card is a SoundBlaster 16,
Modem is a ZOOM 56K DualMode external, NIC is a 3C503 and there are 3
machines on my Local Network currently. Video Card is a VIDEO-61-3D
MediaMatics with 4MB Memory On Board.Total HD storage consist of (2) 2.1
GB Sanyo drives and a 8.4 GB Quantum all IDE with FTP Server and HTTP
server running solely from the Quantum Drive.
Partition info:
FileSystem Size Used Avail Used% Mounted on
/dev/hda1 19M4.0M 14M 22% /boot
/dev/hda3 1.9G 286M 1.5G16% /
/dev/hdb1 1.9G 1.1G 732M61% /usr
/dev/hdc1 7.6G 1.6G 5.6G22% /home
/dev/hdd587M 587M 0 100%/mnt/cdrom
I have additionaly created a /home2 directory under / that houses my
users home directorys and currently have 17 users on this system. This
system does have a 24/7 Internet connection and also provides access via
3 radio ports for Amateur Radio operators. FQDN for this system is
slip.n3meq.ampr.org [44.66.0.50] in Delaware,USA. I am the IP Co-ordinator
for the 44.66/16 Delaware Amateur Radio Domain, all of this has been
accomplished using, in my opinion, The Best Linux Distro Iv'e seen.
Linux-Mandrake !
I have been using various Linux Distro's since early 1990. I hope this
info will be usefull and give some insight as to what may actually be
accomplished using a good Stable OS on a rather modest machine. I would be
more than happy to assist anyone who may have a similar design in mind and
would be happy to answer any question's that anyone may have reguarding my
system configuration or it's use with Amateur Radio.
This message has been postponed in order to ensure the latest update to
make the mandrake-devel mirror current as of 28 August 19:12:14 EDT.
Best Wishe's,
Dave,N3MEQ
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