Re[4]: [newbie] Support questions
Hello Derek, Saturday, May 31, 2003, 12:25:12 PM, you wrote: DJ I think ,( but am not sure) that your Powerpack purchase entitles DJ you to temporary club membership. My understanding is that it uses MDexpert for support and questions. So far, I have not found the paid MDexpert to be all that good. DJ No drakclub was intoduced with 9.1 I'll join the club. :-) DJ Updating to 9.1 is real easy. The alternative is to select DJ 'upgrade' from the 9.1 install CD, but while upgrade is a lot DJ more stable than it used to be, a lot of people do not trust it DJ and prefer to reinstall. I did a reinstall. 9.1 is nice! Thanks for the help. -- Thank you, rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[5]: [newbie] Support questions
Hello Richard, Saturday, May 31, 2003, 1:59:30 AM, you wrote: RU On Saturday 31 May 2003 3:38 am, rikona wrote: I did register, but it still asks for $$ to submit a question. The page that says this has a note on the left side saying I have registered and don't have to pay, but when I go through the steps it still refuses, on the basis that I have no credits. Any ideas? RU I had the same experience (I've got the download set + club membership) It did RU imply that install questions were free, but since I wasn't posting an install RU question I would have to have credits. Very interesting. There is a note on the left side of the page that says I have registered a PowerPack, and don't need to pay during the support period. A drop-down listing says that some categories are free (no *), some one star (*) for buyers of the standard pack, and some are two (**) for the power pack. I tried a few * and ** categories and was rejected each time. Based on your note, however, I tried the 'install' (*) category, and it seems as though it was accepted. Maybe I'm a poor reader, but it does not seem consistent with what the page implies. With luck, I'll get an answer. :-) My 'community/free' questions have sat there a long time, and nobody has even looked at them. Thanks for the tip. -- Thank you, rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Support questions
Hello Anne, Saturday, May 31, 2003, 2:34:54 AM, you wrote: I did register, but it still asks for $$ to submit a question. The page that says this has a note on the left side saying I have registered and don't have to pay, but when I go through the steps it still refuses, on the basis that I have no credits. Any ideas? Any way to contact someone at MD to see how to make this work? I've asked this as an unpaid question, but according to the 'status' the message has never been looked at. Sigh AW I had the same problem with 9.0, and didn't resolve it, I'm afraid. It seems as though the question has to be an 'install' question, despite what the page says. :-) AW Now, with hindsight, I would try going to the forum pages and asking AW there. Hopefully someone knowledgeable will see it and help you. I have had a couple of questions sit there for a looog time, and nobody has even looked at them. I would suggest that it is a waste of time to post a non-paid question there. I appreciate your help. -- Thank you, rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Support questions
On Saturday 31 May 2003 3:31 am, rikona wrote: Hello Derek, Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 1:57:49 AM, you wrote: DJ I think ,( but am not sure) that your Powerpack purchase entitles DJ you to temporary club membership. Run drakclub as root to register DJ and set up the club urpmi source. It seems as though 'box' support is through the 'expert' service. Not sure about the club. Ran drakclub as root but 'not found' and 'no source' for urpmi. Is this part of 9.0? No drakclub was intoduced with 9.1 DJ Make sure your Mandrake updates are up to date first because there was an DJ incompatibility between the way the club download server is configured and DJ urpmi. An updated urpmi fixes it. I did update all of 9.0 before this. It seems as though 9.0 is disappearing. How would I update to 9.1? Is that a good idea, since I've installed quite a lot of stuff, and done a lot of customizing? Updating to 9.1 is real easy. Just grab a download edition (if you have broadband) and reinstall over your 9.0 but do not format your /home partition and then you will not lose any of your data or personal configuration. The system configuration in the /etc folder would be lost, but if you save your old /etc somewhere in your /home you can refer to it later when rebuilding your system. The alternative is to select 'upgrade' from the 9.1 install CD, but while upgrade is a lot more stable than it used to be, a lot of people do not trust it and prefer to reinstall. BTW: The download edition is not inferior to the Powerpack in any way. It is the same as the first 3 CDs of the Powerpack, and the applications on the other CDs are available on line, or through the Club. DJ Club membership is a way for those users who want to show their DJ appreciation for the distro to contribute something, and get a few DJ benefits in return. I'll probably join after this settles down. :-) DJ Make urpmi sources for update, contrib, and plf Then optionally DJ make sources for texstar,Club, unsupported/MandrakeClub Any suggestions for where these are(the command line?)? I found the command line for update, club, and plf, but not the others. If you look at the file structure of any mirror you will find unsupported inside mandrake-devel. Then refer to 'man urpmi.addmedia' to work out the command to use. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Support questions
Hello Derek, Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 1:57:49 AM, you wrote: DJ I think ,( but am not sure) that your Powerpack purchase entitles DJ you to temporary club membership. Run drakclub as root to register DJ and set up the club urpmi source. It seems as though 'box' support is through the 'expert' service. Not sure about the club. Ran drakclub as root but 'not found' and 'no source' for urpmi. Is this part of 9.0? DJ Make sure your Mandrake updates are up to date first because there was an DJ incompatibility between the way the club download server is configured and DJ urpmi. An updated urpmi fixes it. I did update all of 9.0 before this. It seems as though 9.0 is disappearing. How would I update to 9.1? Is that a good idea, since I've installed quite a lot of stuff, and done a lot of customizing? DJ Club membership is a way for those users who want to show their DJ appreciation for the distro to contribute something, and get a few DJ benefits in return. I'll probably join after this settles down. :-) DJ Make urpmi sources for update, contrib, and plf Then optionally DJ make sources for texstar,Club, unsupported/MandrakeClub Any suggestions for where these are(the command line?)? I found the command line for update, club, and plf, but not the others. -- Thank you, rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[3]: [newbie] Support questions
Hello rikona, Thursday, May 29, 2003, 9:31:22 PM, you wrote: r I bypassed some privacy/security, and sure enough, I could get to r the page you mentioned, and was able to register. Thanks VERY r much!! I did register, but it still asks for $$ to submit a question. The page that says this has a note on the left side saying I have registered and don't have to pay, but when I go through the steps it still refuses, on the basis that I have no credits. Any ideas? Any way to contact someone at MD to see how to make this work? I've asked this as an unpaid question, but according to the 'status' the message has never been looked at. Sigh r I tried Konqueror, and couldn't even log on! I allowed cookies, and it does go through with Mozilla (haven't tried konq again. -- Thank you, rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[3]: [newbie] Support questions
On Saturday 31 May 2003 3:38 am, rikona wrote: I did register, but it still asks for $$ to submit a question. The page that says this has a note on the left side saying I have registered and don't have to pay, but when I go through the steps it still refuses, on the basis that I have no credits. Any ideas? I had the same experience (I've got the download set + club membership) It did imply that install questions were free, but since I wasn't posting an install question I would have to have credits. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support questions
On Saturday 31 May 2003 3:38 am, rikona wrote: Hello rikona, Thursday, May 29, 2003, 9:31:22 PM, you wrote: r I bypassed some privacy/security, and sure enough, I could get to r the page you mentioned, and was able to register. Thanks VERY r much!! I did register, but it still asks for $$ to submit a question. The page that says this has a note on the left side saying I have registered and don't have to pay, but when I go through the steps it still refuses, on the basis that I have no credits. Any ideas? Any way to contact someone at MD to see how to make this work? I've asked this as an unpaid question, but according to the 'status' the message has never been looked at. Sigh I had the same problem with 9.0, and didn't resolve it, I'm afraid. Now, with hindsight, I would try going to the forum pages and asking there. Hopefully someone knowledgeable will see it and help you. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Support questions
Hello Greg, Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 5:40:20 PM, you wrote: GM On Tuesday 27 May 2003 08:16 pm, rikona wrote: First, I'd like to thank you for the explanation. It was very helpful, and had places I didn't know about. GM MandrakeExpert is a site where one can get paid for support, where GM a MandrakeSoft employee or support representative is assigned to GM your incident and hopefully provides a solution. If I understand the site correctly, this is the place where 'package' support has migrated. However, there does not seem to be a place to register a purchased box to get the support. When I try to register, I get to sign in, but there does not seem to be a way to actually 'register' and thus not pay if you have already bought a box, as I have. The non-paid requests seem to sit there for a very lgg time. :-) GM Any which way you support Mandrake, by buying a box, joining the GM Club, purchasing incidents or making a donation, it all goes to GM support an excellent software product and helps to keep GM development going. Agreed - I will probably join the club after my 'box' support expires (assuming I can even activate this in the first place, and get some support). -- Thank you, rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support questions
On Thursday 29 May 2003 08:30 pm, rikona wrote: If I understand the site correctly, this is the place where 'package' support has migrated. However, there does not seem to be a place to register a purchased box to get the support. When I try to register, I get to sign in, but there does not seem to be a way to actually 'register' and thus not pay if you have already bought a box, as I have. The non-paid requests seem to sit there for a very lgg time. :-) Are you sure you looked closely enough? I just went to look and after I logged in, I got a note on the left had side of the screen to register a boxed product. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Support questions
Hello Greg, Thursday, May 29, 2003, 6:12:58 PM, you wrote: GM Are you sure you looked closely enough? I just went to look and GM after I logged in, I got a note on the left had side of the screen GM to register a boxed product. True, but that takes you to ' Register your Mandrake Linux pack', and if you click on 'Mandrake Linux 8.0 to 9.1-- Register now', it brings you to a new logon. After this second logon, you are back to where you started. Round and round you go, and where it stops, nobody knows. :-) Do you get this same result? -- Thank you, rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support questions
On Thursday 29 May 2003 09:33 pm, rikona wrote: Hello Greg, Thursday, May 29, 2003, 6:12:58 PM, you wrote: GM Are you sure you looked closely enough? I just went to look and GM after I logged in, I got a note on the left had side of the screen GM to register a boxed product. True, but that takes you to ' Register your Mandrake Linux pack', and if you click on 'Mandrake Linux 8.0 to 9.1-- Register now', it brings you to a new logon. After this second logon, you are back to where you started. Round and round you go, and where it stops, nobody knows. :-) Do you get this same result? I did not try to continue, as I thought you just missed the link, I will try it. Da dee da dum da dee da, da dee da dum daahh, dee dum de da da. (Sung to the theme from Jeopardy) Okay, I'm back. After the second login, I get a place to enter my serial number. I used Konqueror. What browser did you use? -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Support questions
Hello Greg, Thursday, May 29, 2003, 7:00:40 PM, you wrote: GM Okay, I'm back. After the second login, I get a place to enter my GM serial number. I used Konqueror. What browser did you use? I used Opera/Win, but I keep it locked down quite tight. I bypassed some privacy/security, and sure enough, I could get to the page you mentioned, and was able to register. Thanks VERY much!! It looked as though everything was working, and I didn't think that might have been the problem. It seems that the MD site has some 'snoopy' code that was blocked before. I had a number of windows open in Opera, and during the time the S/P was bypassed, several ads, flashers, etc came through. My screen turned into the usual flashing mess that most everyone else has, I guess. Can't let your guard down, even for a short time. :-)) I tried Konqueror, and couldn't even log on! I set Konqueror tight also, but didn't try to see what was preventing the logon. Do you have some security/privacy set in your Konqueror? BTW, where does Konqueror store cookies? I might want to monitor that dir. -- Thank you, rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support questions
On Friday 30 May 2003 5:31 am, rikona wrote: Hello Greg, Thursday, May 29, 2003, 7:00:40 PM, you wrote: GM Okay, I'm back. After the second login, I get a place to enter my GM serial number. I used Konqueror. What browser did you use? I used Opera/Win, but I keep it locked down quite tight. I bypassed some privacy/security, and sure enough, I could get to the page you mentioned, and was able to register. Thanks VERY much!! It looked as though everything was working, and I didn't think that might have been the problem. It seems that the MD site has some 'snoopy' code that was blocked before. Cookies might be your answer. I understand that Mdk use cookies for identification. If your browser allows, set to allow cookies from their address. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support questions
On Friday 30 May 2003 12:31 am, rikona wrote: Hello Greg, Thursday, May 29, 2003, 7:00:40 PM, you wrote: GM Okay, I'm back. After the second login, I get a place to enter my GM serial number. I used Konqueror. What browser did you use? I used Opera/Win, but I keep it locked down quite tight. I bypassed some privacy/security, and sure enough, I could get to the page you mentioned, and was able to register. Thanks VERY much!! It looked as though everything was working, and I didn't think that might have been the problem. It seems that the MD site has some 'snoopy' code that was blocked before. I had a number of windows open in Opera, and during the time the S/P was bypassed, several ads, flashers, etc came through. My screen turned into the usual flashing mess that most everyone else has, I guess. Can't let your guard down, even for a short time. :-)) I tried Konqueror, and couldn't even log on! I set Konqueror tight also, but didn't try to see what was preventing the logon. Do you have some security/privacy set in your Konqueror? BTW, where does Konqueror store cookies? I might want to monitor that dir. It's probably just some cookies. They would be stored for konq somewhere in teh .kde directory. I've never looked. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support questions
On Wednesday 28 May 2003 1:16 am, rikona wrote: Hello, I just signed up for support for the 9.0 Powerpack I bought. I thought I might be able to access another set of info about setting up Mandrake, but that does not seem to be the case. It seems to be asking me to open an 'incident'. Is this 'support' really effective? Can one see all the questions and answers that have been discussed, as is the case on this list? You folks here have been VERY helpful[thank you, again]. Does the above 'support' really add something that this list does not provide? For example, I have been looking for packages to install (Octave, for example). When I search, the primary source seems to be the Mandrake Club. I thought this was part of the above 'support', but that does not seem to be the case. It seems as though I would still have to pay to use the Club. Is that true? I think ,( but am not sure) that your Powerpack purchase entitles you to temporary club membership. Run drakclub as root to register and set up the club urpmi source. Make sure your Mandrake updates are up to date first because there was an incompatibility between the way the club download server is configured and urpmi. An updated urpmi fixes it. Club membership entitles you to download the 'commercial' packages (most of which are on your Powerpack CDs already), and the member produced packages, as Greg has already mentioned. You get to discuss and vote for new packages, and there is a forum for user to user help, with some contribution from MandrakeSoft employees. No one should join the Club expecting to get valuable products and services. You would only be disappointed. Mandrake have a fundamental problem in that they feel strongly about making a fully GPL distro with free access to ISO's the moment it is released. So of course a *lot* of Mandrake users download the ISO's for free and MandrakeSoft do not earn a single penny from these users. Club membership is a way for those users who want to show their appreciation for the distro to contribute something, and get a few benefits in return. In the Octave example, I found a Mandrake rpm, but it needs quite a few libs. The Club seems to have all of them, otherwise, they seem to be spread around all over, with different versions and types (non-rpm, for example). For a newbie, it is a bit confusing to make sure I am getting all the proper pieces to make it work OK. If your urpmi sources are set up correctly you should never have to worry about libraries. Nor will you need to hunt for rpms across the web. The important things to remember are :- Make urpmi sources for update, contrib, and plf Then optionally make sources for texstar,Club, unsupported/MandrakeClub Do NOT make a source for cooker (unless you consider yourself an advanced user and want to run a *9.2* system. In which case you need no advice from me ;-) In the sources listed for urpmi, the Mandrake Club is listed, but that seems to be from an ftp I added at the suggestion of someone here. I assume that this is NOT the real Mandrake Club (that seems to be complete) because urpmi *can't* find all the missing parts. If there is no username/password in the ftp address then that is probably 'unsupported/MandrakeClub' i.e. club RPMS released to the public. What's the best way for newbies to get complete packages and/or support? Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to how these pieces go together. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Support questions
Hello, I just signed up for support for the 9.0 Powerpack I bought. I thought I might be able to access another set of info about setting up Mandrake, but that does not seem to be the case. It seems to be asking me to open an 'incident'. Is this 'support' really effective? Can one see all the questions and answers that have been discussed, as is the case on this list? You folks here have been VERY helpful[thank you, again]. Does the above 'support' really add something that this list does not provide? For example, I have been looking for packages to install (Octave, for example). When I search, the primary source seems to be the Mandrake Club. I thought this was part of the above 'support', but that does not seem to be the case. It seems as though I would still have to pay to use the Club. Is that true? In the Octave example, I found a Mandrake rpm, but it needs quite a few libs. The Club seems to have all of them, otherwise, they seem to be spread around all over, with different versions and types (non-rpm, for example). For a newbie, it is a bit confusing to make sure I am getting all the proper pieces to make it work OK. In the sources listed for urpmi, the Mandrake Club is listed, but that seems to be from an ftp I added at the suggestion of someone here. I assume that this is NOT the real Mandrake Club (that seems to be complete) because urpmi *can't* find all the missing parts. What's the best way for newbies to get complete packages and/or support? Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to how these pieces go together. -- Thanks, rikona mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support questions
On Tuesday 27 May 2003 08:16 pm, rikona wrote: What's the best way for newbies to get complete packages and/or support? Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to how these pieces go together. As I understand it, there are many ways to get *support* for Mandrake Linux Mailing Lists hosted by MandrakeSoft that are strictly user-to-user. Some MandrakeSoft employees monitor the lists and contribute, but there is no guarantee and it is not in an official capacity. MandrakeExpert is a site where one can get paid for support, where a MandrakeSoft employee or support representative is assigned to your incident and hopefully provides a solution. I do not believe that closed support incidents are available for browsing through, although I think they used to be. You buy your incident and then open it at MandrakeExpert. MandrakeClub forums are user to user help forums in a web interface as opposed to an e-mail interface. Same type of support as Mailing Lists. Alt.os.linux.mandrake usenet newsgroup is not monitored by anyone from MandrakeSoft and is strictly user-to-user, or sometimes troll-to-troll. Various other support communities like pclinuxonlice.com and mandrakeusers.org are around the internet and provide unendorsed free user-to-user support. As for RPMS, the ones built for MandrakeClub end up on the Mandrake-Devel mirrors after they are released from testing, so they are available to non-Club members. The point of this part of the Club was for members to request RPMS and for volunteers to package them if enough people ask for them. It is supposed to be a value added service that you will be willing to pay for. I personally join the Club and skip the boxed sets because I have broadband and I don't need the manuals. All commercial RPMS are available on Club Downloads, and Contrib and SRPMS are available on all the mirrors. Other people in the community build updated RPMS. Ranger updates Samba, Texstar updates KDE and the eye-candy as well as some multi-media stuff, Mandrake updates some stuff for unsupported release, and then there are the official updates. Any which way you support Mandrake, by buying a box, joining the Club, purchasing incidents or making a donation, it all goes to support an excellent software product and helps to keep development going. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] support for gnome-python2 and pygtk2
Would anyone happen to know if there will be support for gnome-python2 and pygtk2 in Mandrake 9.1? -- Regards Trevor === Powered by Linux- Mandrake 9.0 Registered Linux user # 290542 at http://counter.li.org Registered Machine #'s 186951, Source : my 100 % Microsoft-free personal computer. === Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] support for gnome-python2 and pygtk2
On Friday 31 January 2003 04:29 am, Trevor Rhodes wrote: Would anyone happen to know if there will be support for gnome-python2 and pygtk2 in Mandrake 9.1? Well, before there are a raft of support questions for 9.1 perhaps this link should be posted... ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS.cooker Those are the rpms there now. If you care to build rpms for those, then go to the MandrakeLinux.com webpage and look under Developers on the left-hand side. xchat-python is there and pygnome 1.4.4 and pygtk-0.6.9 (four packages) and of course rpm-python. Now the versioning may not run the same so go up a level or two, grab the source(srpms), make a directory like this in your userspace ~/rpm ~/rpm/SOURCES ~/rpm/SPECS ~/rpm/BUILD ~rpm/RPMS ~/rpm/SRPMS and then just $ rpm -i pygtk-0.6.9-(whatever).src.rpm and then look in ~/rpm/SPECS with your favorite text editor handy (emacs color-codes the spec file nicely) and read the spec file for a description of what is actually covered. If you don't find what you want, you CAN make it happen. That is the beauty of linux. Go here: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/howtos/mdk-rpm/ And you can use your own 9.0 system to prepare and submit srpms for your favorite software so others (like me) who also love python can share in the benefits and your name goes on the changelog. Submission instructions are here: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 I hope that answers your question. I think you will find that with a few examples downloaded and disassembled by rpm installing them to your ~/rpm directory, that you can produce an rpm that will install and run nicely. Mandrake will rebuild it on their own compilation cluster(s), but it will be YOUR development contribution to MandrakeLinux. Likely the same SRPM will work for RH so you may want to post it somewhere as well where others can DL it. I think that is a great project, but I have other projects ahead of it so the chances I will do this one are slim and none. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
Kaj Haulrich wrote: That's funny Carroll, I've got exactly the same shakes. Here in Denmark we have a special word for that kind of language : flosculature (slightly english-ified). I think it translates to something like gobbledygook. Extensively used by business-executives, marketing-gurus, civil-servants in suits and high-ranking desk-weenies. To have the shakes go away immidiately, I just read H.C. Andersen's : The Emperor's new Clothes. Sorry for continuing this thread, which some people seem to object to. I like the (new) word, or maybe some variation of it -- floculant, to me, carries an implied meaning of something like extraneous -- not really required, so I could see extending the definition from goggledygook to something like extraneous gobbleddygook -- gobbleddygook not serving any purpose. (Before I get flamed, in the processes I was involved in (coalmining) -- floculant was an essential element of some of the processes to clean coal.) Perhaps unneccesary or extraneous is already implied in the word? If not, I might adopt the word floculature (without the s) to mean extraneous gobbledygook. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
On Wednesday 27 March 2002 03:13 pm, you wrote: Kaj, Thanks for the response -- looks like flosculature will do the job. ;-) regards, Randy Kramer Kaj Haulrich wrote: Yes, Randy. In danish a floskel is some buzzword that talkative,unconscious people repeat over and over again, whenever they are short of real arguments. They tend to think it makes them look intelligent. To them, silence is unthinkable. Floculant in engineering or chemical terms is a material in water or more importantly sewage treatment that clumps very small particles together to get them to have enough mass to settle out of the liquid carrier. Thus flosculature is an appropo word to describe verbage that clumps things together and seperates them from the real media involved and giving them questionable meaning. Oh, I think I just commited flosculature. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] Re: [newbie] Support?
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 20:41, Robin Turner wrote: Heh, I love these Von Neumann-type threads. I recently commented on a spam to another list because I thought it was funny, and received a self-righteous reply (to both myself and the list) telling me I was wasting bandwidth - I mean the guy is so annoyed that I've wasted 3 seconds of his time opening what I admit was a pretty silly post, that he spends much more time to tell me off about it _and_ posts it to the list so other people will waste their time. As I've said before, off-topic/whimsical/silly posts are IMO fine (I generally prefer them to the more serious technical ones) but could people please mark them OT so others who don't want to read them won't, and we don't get our wrists slapped by Netiquette Nanny. Robin I have to agree. I get maybe 20-100 messages from the newbie/expert lists at the end of a day, if I havent left the machine on. While I understand the principle of ultimate efficiency with regard to maximizing the download time to several hundred tenths of a second, I also am not perceptually damaged enough to go apeshit over it. There's the human component of the list to revere, and while I realize that there needs to be a cap on that also, it's my studied opinion that no one has violated that cap in this thread (with the possible exception of John.) L8R, LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
Hi Damian, A reasonable comment: BUT if the people do not speak up - out of fear of reprisal - how is change ever going to happen? The Newbie list *IS* the only place to have reasonable discourse on the product. It is NOT supposed to be a Geekfest. Maybe a good solution would be to have an internal code on Replies: GEEK USER COMMUNITY ( for community discussion) Then fanatics could avoid any challenge to their tiny world, Geeks could talk unintelligbly away from the rest of us real Newbies :-) , Users could get simple help on getting it to go usably and those good souls who like to help, as distinct from those here to display their arrogance/cleverness/oneupmanship, could dip into the anguish of the User area and help real beginners who have never cooked anything except lunch. It could work you know, with a bit of support. The Geeks have no idea how off-putting and terrifying the complex matters typical on this list are! Users cannot even understand the questions, much less the answers and for many it is the very first exposure outside the MS/Apple GUI world. Cheers, John - Original Message - From: Damian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Support? El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 10:02, john rigby escribió: Hello Sal, WOOPS!! NOW you'll get it! Rule #1 on this list has become : THOUGH SHALT NOT SPAKE A SINGLE WORLD OF CRITICISM AGAINST THE ONE TRUE THING --note: what i'm going to say here may apply to you or not, i'm just going to say what i think about some very recent 'angry' posts made by several ppl. well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you won't get flamed by them. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
I like this idea. Many times I can't read with attention all the mail, so in that case I could need to cut away things I can't follow. bye. Paolo Brusasco john rigby wrote: Hi Damian, A reasonable comment: BUT if the people do not speak up - out of fear of reprisal - how is change ever going to happen? The Newbie list *IS* the only place to have reasonable discourse on the product. It is NOT supposed to be a Geekfest. Maybe a good solution would be to have an internal code on Replies: GEEK USER COMMUNITY ( for community discussion) Then fanatics could avoid any challenge to their tiny world, Geeks could talk unintelligbly away from the rest of us real Newbies :-) , Users could get simple help on getting it to go usably and those good souls who like to help, as distinct from those here to display their arrogance/cleverness/oneupmanship, could dip into the anguish of the User area and help real beginners who have never cooked anything except lunch. It could work you know, with a bit of support. The Geeks have no idea how off-putting and terrifying the complex matters typical on this list are! Users cannot even understand the questions, much less the answers and for many it is the very first exposure outside the MS/Apple GUI world. Cheers, John - Original Message - From: Damian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Support? El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 10:02, john rigby escribió: Hello Sal, WOOPS!! NOW you'll get it! Rule #1 on this list has become : THOUGH SHALT NOT SPAKE A SINGLE WORLD OF CRITICISM AGAINST THE ONE TRUE THING --note: what i'm going to say here may apply to you or not, i'm just going to say what i think about some very recent 'angry' posts made by several ppl. well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you won't get flamed by them. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
Carroll Grigsby wrote: snip (2) I begin to shake and tremble whenever I hear words like paradigm. /snip That's funny Carroll, I've got exactly the same shakes. Here in Denmark we have a special word for that kind of language : flosculature (slightly english-ified). I think it translates to something like :gobbledygook. Extensively used by business-executives, marketing-gurus, civil-servants in suits and high-ranking desk-weenies. To have the shakes go away immidiately, I just read H.C. Andersen's : The Emperor's new Clothes. HTH Kaj Haulrich Denmark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
Absolutely. I'm sick and tired of this guy. He doesn't have technical questions, and he sure as hell doesn't have answers. Instead of using the resources of the company he professes to think so little of, and our bandwidth, why doesn't he put together a website containing the insights gained from his years as a whatever the hell he was. John. Go. Away. Richard (funny how a random sig is sometimes so apt). -- It's like a radio you can't switch off -- Carroll Grigsby, Monday 25 March 2002 03:02: John: Enough, already! This list is NOT intended for philosophical discussions of Life, the Universe and Things Like That; it is a _technical_ support list for Mandrake newbies. (Source: Mandrake home page -- pretty damn authoritative, IMHO). If you wish to examine your navel, or someone else's navel, or engage in other meaningless activities can find plenty of other places on the web to do so. This is not the place. (You might try slashdot [snicker, snicker]). Yes, we do sometimes wander from time to time, and I'll admit to more than my share of transgressions. But, John, these great long diatrabes of yours are totally out of place. We aren't stupid, and we aren't wandering around in the wilderness looking for a saviour. So stop wasting our bandwidth. (Just in case you didn't know, many of the people on this list are on metered service -- every damn byte that comes down the pipe hits them in the wallet in addition to wasting their time.) Like you, I've got some miles on the odometer. I'm a retired mechanical engineer; I worked for both very large and very small companies. I spent some of those years in management. As a consequence, I've had to sit through way too many really stupid presentations, and I've been forced to engage in way too many stupid programs. Two side effects of all of that wasted time are that (1) I regard Dilbert as not satire, but reality and (2) I begin to shake and tremble whenever I hear words like paradigm. John, you may not have used those exact words, but your postings are sufficiently close to bring back those awful memories. Cease and desist! OK, I'll admit that you may have accomplished one useful purpose: I've resolved to learn how to set up e-mail filters. But then, I've never felt the need for them until now. Nasty flame to follow. -- cmg On Sunday 24 March 2002 04:28 pm, john rigby wrote: Hi Damian, A reasonable comment: BUT if the people do not speak up - out of fear of reprisal - how is change ever going to happen? The Newbie list *IS* the only place to have reasonable discourse on the product. It is NOT supposed to be a Geekfest. Maybe a good solution would be to have an internal code on Replies: GEEK USER COMMUNITY ( for community discussion) Then fanatics could avoid any challenge to their tiny world, Geeks could talk unintelligbly away from the rest of us real Newbies :-) , Users could get simple help on getting it to go usably and those good souls who like to help, as distinct from those here to display their arrogance/cleverness/oneupmanship, could dip into the anguish of the User area and help real beginners who have never cooked anything except lunch. It could work you know, with a bit of support. The Geeks have no idea how off-putting and terrifying the complex matters typical on this list are! Users cannot even understand the questions, much less the answers and for many it is the very first exposure outside the MS/Apple GUI world. Cheers, John - Original Message - From: Damian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Support? El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 10:02, john rigby escribió: Hello Sal, WOOPS!! NOW you'll get it! Rule #1 on this list has become : THOUGH SHALT NOT SPAKE A SINGLE WORLD OF CRITICISM AGAINST THE ONE TRUE THING --note: what i'm going to say here may apply to you or not, i'm just going to say what i think about some very recent 'angry' posts made by several ppl. well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you won't get flamed by them. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support?
El dom, 24-03-2002 a las 02:57, sda escribió: On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 03:59:55PM -0300, Damian wrote: criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you won't get flamed by them. Who do you think you are? You have no right what-so-ever to say what's allowed here. Only the list mom does, and that's not you. i started my post with something like i'm gonna say just what i think. it's not my intention to TELL people what they can do or not. on the other hand, think about it. what was this place meant for? Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support?
On Sunday 24 March 2002 00:57, you wrote: On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 03:59:55PM -0300, Damian wrote: criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you won't get flamed by them. Who do you think you are? You have no right what-so-ever to say what's allowed here. Only the list mom does, and that's not you. no butt... I am (however) the self appointed list A$$hole, and my wife and children told me I could be...so all you other Kinder just cut it out, or I am going to tell my wife. (you think the list mom is a pain) no body else better try and be a bigger a$$hole than me Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support?
Ed I replied to your last email offlist, did you receive it!? Or do I strangle my ISP!? Femme ed tharp wrote: On Sunday 24 March 2002 00:57, you wrote: On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 03:59:55PM -0300, Damian wrote: criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you won't get flamed by them. Who do you think you are? You have no right what-so-ever to say what's allowed here. Only the list mom does, and that's not you. no butt... I am (however) the self appointed list A$$hole, and my wife and children told me I could be...so all you other Kinder just cut it out, or I am going to tell my wife. (you think the list mom is a pain) no body else better try and be a bigger a$$hole than me Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
John: Enough, already! This list is NOT intended for philosophical discussions of Life, the Universe and Things Like That; it is a _technical_ support list for Mandrake newbies. (Source: Mandrake home page -- pretty damn authoritative, IMHO). If you wish to examine your navel, or someone else's navel, or engage in other meaningless activities can find plenty of other places on the web to do so. This is not the place. (You might try slashdot [snicker, snicker]). Yes, we do sometimes wander from time to time, and I'll admit to more than my share of transgressions. But, John, these great long diatrabes of yours are totally out of place. We aren't stupid, and we aren't wandering around in the wilderness looking for a saviour. So stop wasting our bandwidth. (Just in case you didn't know, many of the people on this list are on metered service -- every damn byte that comes down the pipe hits them in the wallet in addition to wasting their time.) Like you, I've got some miles on the odometer. I'm a retired mechanical engineer; I worked for both very large and very small companies. I spent some of those years in management. As a consequence, I've had to sit through way too many really stupid presentations, and I've been forced to engage in way too many stupid programs. Two side effects of all of that wasted time are that (1) I regard Dilbert as not satire, but reality and (2) I begin to shake and tremble whenever I hear words like paradigm. John, you may not have used those exact words, but your postings are sufficiently close to bring back those awful memories. Cease and desist! OK, I'll admit that you may have accomplished one useful purpose: I've resolved to learn how to set up e-mail filters. But then, I've never felt the need for them until now. Nasty flame to follow. -- cmg On Sunday 24 March 2002 04:28 pm, john rigby wrote: Hi Damian, A reasonable comment: BUT if the people do not speak up - out of fear of reprisal - how is change ever going to happen? The Newbie list *IS* the only place to have reasonable discourse on the product. It is NOT supposed to be a Geekfest. Maybe a good solution would be to have an internal code on Replies: GEEK USER COMMUNITY ( for community discussion) Then fanatics could avoid any challenge to their tiny world, Geeks could talk unintelligbly away from the rest of us real Newbies :-) , Users could get simple help on getting it to go usably and those good souls who like to help, as distinct from those here to display their arrogance/cleverness/oneupmanship, could dip into the anguish of the User area and help real beginners who have never cooked anything except lunch. It could work you know, with a bit of support. The Geeks have no idea how off-putting and terrifying the complex matters typical on this list are! Users cannot even understand the questions, much less the answers and for many it is the very first exposure outside the MS/Apple GUI world. Cheers, John - Original Message - From: Damian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Support? El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 10:02, john rigby escribió: Hello Sal, WOOPS!! NOW you'll get it! Rule #1 on this list has become : THOUGH SHALT NOT SPAKE A SINGLE WORLD OF CRITICISM AGAINST THE ONE TRUE THING --note: what i'm going to say here may apply to you or not, i'm just going to say what i think about some very recent 'angry' posts made by several ppl. well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you won't get flamed by them. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support?
On Monday 25 March 2002 11:35 am, Carroll Grigsby opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: Ed: I don't want to appear argumentative, but you aren't even close. The top ten: 1. John Rigby 2. John Rigby checking my own list i have Ed at #15 (often informative a$$hole) does that sit well with everyone else? ;-) -- If I admit I was wrong, I am only saying I am wiser today than yesterday. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
On Sunday 24 March 2002 04:28 pm, john rigby wrote: Hi Damian, A reasonable comment: BUT if the people do not speak up - out of fear of reprisal - how is change ever going to happen? i made my post as an answer to someone complaining about people not being able to post because they are afraid of getting flamed. or something like that. i absolutely agree with you, but my point is that no one with a genuine problem and looking for a solution is ever going to get flamed here. people looking for help should most certainly NOT be afraid to ask. i just think this is not the place for complainig, but for asking. The Newbie list *IS* the only place to have reasonable discourse on the product. It is NOT supposed to be a Geekfest. of course not. this is a newbie list after all. Maybe a good solution would be to have an internal code on Replies: GEEK USER COMMUNITY ( for community discussion) well, not quite... geeks usually have better answers for newbie questions. so i would mix user and geek together Then fanatics could avoid any challenge to their tiny world, Geeks could talk unintelligbly away from the rest of us real Newbies :-) , Users could get simple help on getting it to go usably and those good souls who like to help, as distinct from those here to display their arrogance/cleverness/oneupmanship, could dip into the anguish of the User area and help real beginners who have never cooked anything except lunch. It could work you know, with a bit of support. The Geeks have no idea how off-putting and terrifying the complex matters typical on this list are! Users cannot even understand the questions, much less the answers and for many it is the very first exposure outside the MS/Apple GUI world. Cheers, John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
On Sunday 24 March 2002 16:28, Damian wrote: well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. criticism is out of order here I see no reason why criticism should be considered out of order (not that I have any, by the way. I have 8.1 and enjoy it very much). Criticism can generate fruitful discussion just like questions can. If people make unfair criticisms, they will be shut up by many people refuting them. On the other hand, if the criticisms are justified, then we have identified an area that needs more work, and that is beneficial. *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.3 Professional KDE 2.2.1 KMail 1.3.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
El lun, 25-03-2002 a las 02:51, Bryan Tyson escribió: On Sunday 24 March 2002 16:28, Damian wrote: well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. criticism is out of order here I see no reason why criticism should be considered out of order (not that I have any, by the way. I have 8.1 and enjoy it very much). Criticism can generate fruitful discussion just like questions can. If people make unfair criticisms, they will be shut up by many people refuting them. On the other hand, if the criticisms are justified, then we have identified an area that needs more work, and that is beneficial. yeah..but i guess it's more complex than it seems.. there are different kinds of criticism. OT topics are never gonna dissapear and most of the time i enjoy them, but when some guy starts the mandrake sucks because it didn't recognize my third wheel on my second mouse on my new computer, so linux is crap way, it's hard to make fruitful discussion out if that. yes, you can get that ppl to shut up eventually, when/if they start getting the proper response to those posts... i would change a thing or two about the looks of MDK myself, but if i should ever decide to do something about it, i don't think my first step would be to make a pissed-off post about how crappy this or that looks. criticism can be good. that is perfectly true. but sometimes you get to read opinions that hardly qualify as criticism... they are rather bitching and this is what i think is useless and a total waste of time especially to this, a support list. i think i said about enough. feel free to disagree with me, i'll drop the discussion here. ( kinda feel it got too long ) Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support?
Hello Sal, WOOPS!! NOW you'll get it! Rule #1 on this list has become : THOUGH SHALT NOT SPAKE A SINGLE WORLD OF CRITICISM AGAINST THE ONE TRUE THING It is very sad but you *will* be trashed/flamed by the goon squad no matter what you say or do from here on in. I have received a number of notes from people asking me not to reply ro them on the Board for fear of the goons. It is very, very sad. This WAS a great support Site and still has many fine people here, but they are being overwhelmed by the dog squad. But don't let them beat you down - these are the losers in life - for it is only the losers who are ever viscious. Stick in! You will get help if you ask for it. BUT You are not allowed to criticise. There are many people having your experience with the Software trashing prior installs and a couple of us with the goon squad. Cheers! John Rigby I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it Whatsisname. - Original Message - From: Sal Cerda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: [newbie] Support? Recently I asked for some help after installing 8.2. Thereply: alans: 15:03 01:50 : Reply received Since you've reinstalled the development packages then your problem is no longer an OS installation problem but one of the technique of using the compiler tools. This problem is not included in the list of free provided support. As a reminder, support is dedicated to operating system installation only, covering the topics shown below: ... I suggest that you to ask your questions on one of the many freely available resources MandrakeSoft provides to its users. was not helpful. My GCC, make and other tools worked fine before I installed 8.2. I didn't break it, the install did as near as I can tell. My 'technique' is the same as it was before. Even though I'm a newbie to Linux, it's not hard to untar, make config and install a package. I have not been able to install ANY package since installing 8.2. Something changed. I was evaluating Mandrake Linux as a possible alternative to desktops in the corporate world. If the support I got for this boxed copy of your distribution is representative of the value that can be expected, then perhaps Mandrake Linux is not ready for prime time, however much I wanted it to be. Sal Cerda __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support?
Thx Damian. Well said worth repeating Femme Damian wrote: El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 10:02, john rigby escribió: Hello Sal, --note: what i'm going to say here may apply to you or not, i'm just going to say what i think about some very recent 'angry' posts made by several ppl. well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you won't get flamed by them. on the other hand, this list is FULL of people ( knowledgeable people ) willing to help, if you just behave the way your mother tells you to. for example: if your LM 8 installation didn't detect your NIC, you don't barge in here posting stuff like MDK sucks and it's unusable we are gettin here more and more often. instead, you could DESCRIBE your problem ( most ppl forget about this tiny detail ) and ask for any ideas. 99% of the people here do not work at mandrakesoft, we are just L-M users that may or may not have a bit more experience than you, may have solved the very same problem you may be having now. just that. if you criticize and get flamed here, it's only natural. remember we use mandrake because we think it fits us the best. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support?
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:50:16 -0500 sda said onto me: On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 01:01:34PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote: OK, I fail geek 101--my filter didn't work. Why oh why do I always take the bait? Exactly why are you? If you people would stop replying, then all would be well. Then why add to it? snip -- -^- -^- ? ?Steve ^ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' ` -- °°° Mandrake Linux 8.2 Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk KDE 2.2.2 Sylpheed 0.7.4claws David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Homepagewww.davidlsteiner.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[OT] Re: [newbie] Support?
On Sunday 24 March 2002 02:57, David wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:50:16 -0500 sda said onto me: On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 01:01:34PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote: OK, I fail geek 101--my filter didn't work. Why oh why do I always take the bait? Exactly why are you? If you people would stop replying, then all would be well. Then why add to it? Heh, I love these Von Neumann-type threads. I recently commented on a spam to another list because I thought it was funny, and received a self-righteous reply (to both myself and the list) telling me I was wasting bandwidth - I mean the guy is so annoyed that I've wasted 3 seconds of his time opening what I admit was a pretty silly post, that he spends much more time to tell me off about it _and_ posts it to the list so other people will waste their time. As I've said before, off-topic/whimsical/silly posts are IMO fine (I generally prefer them to the more serious technical ones) but could people please mark them OT so others who don't want to read them won't, and we don't get our wrists slapped by Netiquette Nanny. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support 8.2 ship with both 2.96
Check the version of gcc which you are using. 8.2 ships with both 2.96 and 3.0. Most apps now will only build if you are using 2.96 Why is that? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support?
ed tharp wrote: I hope you relize that you get the support you paid for, and if you had asked the same of Microsoft, they would have required a credit card number befor they answered the phone. my guess is that you did not install the developer packages since you are considering desktops. just a guess, but in my opinion, if you want help from folks in a free software world, complaining ain't the way to get help. may I also suggest that as you are evaluating Mandrake Linux as a possible alternative to desktops in the corporate world then consider the cost as an equal too. pay for the answers to your problems as you would with Mickysoft, or realize what you are looking for is freebees and that you are not willing to contribute even your own time to RTFD. Read the FINE Documentition, ain't much help either if what you are looking for is someone to hold your hand while you masterbate, but if you want to learn where you might have made a minor error that is not going to be forgiven by a machine, then RTFD ought to happen FIRST? do you agree? On Thursday 21 March 2002 15:55, you wrote: Recently I asked for some help after installing 8.2. Thereply: alans: 15:03 01:50 : Reply received Since you've reinstalled the development packages then your problem is no longer an OS installation problem but one of the technique of using the compiler tools. This problem is not included in the list of free provided support. As a reminder, support is dedicated to operating system installation only, covering the topics shown below: ... I suggest that you to ask your questions on one of the many freely available resources MandrakeSoft provides to its users. was not helpful. My GCC, make and other tools worked fine before I installed 8.2. I didn't break it, the install did as near as I can tell. My 'technique' is the same as it was before. Even though I'm a newbie to Linux, it's not hard to untar, make config and install a package. I have not been able to install ANY package since installing 8.2. Something changed. I was evaluating Mandrake Linux as a possible alternative to desktops in the corporate world. If the support I got for this boxed copy of your distribution is representative of the value that can be expected, then perhaps Mandrake Linux is not ready for prime time, however much I wanted it to be. Sal Cerda __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com VERY VERY INTERESTING! You have made a support request and been rebuffed for a NON-EXISTENT distro box? 8.2 boxed sets will be here in a month or so. Perhaps you meantr 8.1? If you want that level of support you buy ProSuite Gold and you get it. I think you can price that package yourself. Also you obviously upgraded from SOMETHING if you could compile before. I did notice thatr 7.2--8.1 left a loose link for the compiler to gcc2.95.3 instead of 2.96, which would make compilation impossible. Upgrade is not a recommended course if it can be avoided. It is most useful to add packages to a distro already installed or to correct for a new video card or sometimes a new motherboard, though it is rarely needed for a motherboard or processor change. The way to do things right is to have a /home and a /usr/local partition and just don't format them in a fresh install. I have 8 systems here, with 7 different processors and 8 different chipsets represented. All of them seem willing to compile about anything under 8.2. Still for the basic install support offered with the Standard distro or even the Powerpack, compilation assistance is not included. Such support _IS_ available, from Mandrakesoft and others, but at a fair price, over the telephone, for $60-120 per hour, depending on vendor (Mandrakesoft is the $60). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support 8.2 ship with both 2.96
Miark wrote: Check the version of gcc which you are using. 8.2 ships with both 2.96 and 3.0. Most apps now will only build if you are using 2.96 Why is that? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Because that version of gcc3.0.y was still very much not ready for prime time. 2.96 was done more by two distros than by the gcc team, and was patched to make something that could compile for IA-64 platforms, and was far more advanced than the checkpoints actually put out by the gcc team. Since the IA-64 would not wait, neither could the distros, and gcc team disowned any association with 2.96. but that did not make it any less robust. It was a very trustable and trusted working compiler for a long time, though now you do see us making the transition. Both 2.96 and 3.0 have a great deal more strictness than 2.95.z, and far fewer breaks. Most of the bugs reported for 2.96 were failures of source code to do what it was desired to do (sloppy code rejected by the compiler, especially in c++ but also sometimes in not including some headers by default that previous compilers did and which 2.96 and later compilers do NOT). We are seeing better results these days with newer gcc's and now can hope for 3.x.y to be the default compiler for the next release, (with the others dropped). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Support for Permedia2 video card
Hi all, I have Sony GDM 1950,this monitor does not work with normal video cards.From the net i found a couple of cards (fixed freq card) which can work with this monitor.I am planning to purchase Gemini3D 6321,AGP card(Permedia2)chip set.I had a look at mandrake hardware support and here it list the above chip set.Does anyone have this combination.i wanted to double check before buying this card. Thanks Ivan -- Ivan Miranda General Instrument Engineer/IT support Po Box 8746,Doha,Qatar Ph:974-4402524/4402773 Fax:974-4323380
[newbie] support with CD
Hi- Does anyone know what the support options cover when you buy the Power Pack? I thought you could use it for anything in the first 30 days, but was told that it covers installation issues only. I always buy the CD's at my local computer store to support the efforts of the developers, but this is my first attempt at support. Thanks, -Scott
[newbie] Support for IP-Masquerading already compiled
Hello is this function already compiled in the standard installation of mandrake 8.0 ?? -- Best regards, ETSoft mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Support for IP-Masquerading already compiled
I have it already in my default install. All the modules can be found in /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter for my install anyway. The Masquerading is way different with iptables though. Theres a faq http://netfilter.samba.org/netfilter-faq.html and also a howto http://netfilter.samba.org/unreliable-guides/ personally I ended up using the Mandrake control center thing because it was easier. I liked ip chains and ip tables looks like it give you alot more comtrol but it's missing some modules that were for ipchains that I liked to have available (icq, raudio, etc). Good Luck. --- ETSoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello is this function already compiled in the standard installation of mandrake 8.0 ?? -- Best regards, ETSoft mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Support?
Not that it helps now, but in the future you guys can vote with you dollars and dl mandrake then buy support somewhere else. DougC wrote: Hmmm, Is this the level of support we get? I have a similar problem with a PCI network driver. Though I just submitted the question I'm wondering that same question. You're right though, where are some direct email support numbers? I certainly appreciate the help of individuals but the company should provide SOME direct support. --- Bill Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been trying to get help on a Mandrake 7.1 install. After buying the Deluxe pack and registering it for support, I still can't get a response to my emails. Anyone had any luck here? My main problem is that the USB module usb-uhci.o fails to load. The dmesg shows that it is seen, doesn't have an IRQ and then is shut down. There's no place that I can find to assign it an IRQ, either in software or in BIOS. I've looked on the 'net for answers, but none so far, and it's extremely frustrating to have paid for a package that supposedly includes support, but you can't even get a response out of them. And just try to find a customer service email address or phone number for Mandrake... -- Bill Fry IT Director, Young Roehr Group 503.222.0626 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- Larry Hignight Descent 3 Beta tester Caldera Linux 2.4 - 8:20pm up 18 days, 4:28, 4 users, load average: 0.07, 0.08, 0.02 -
[newbie] Support?
Hmmm, Is this the level of support we get? I have a similar problem with a PCI network driver. Though I just submitted the question I'm wondering that same question. You're right though, where are some direct email support numbers? I certainly appreciate the help of individuals but the company should provide SOME direct support. --- Bill Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been trying to get help on a Mandrake 7.1 install. After buying the Deluxe pack and registering it for support, I still can't get a response to my emails. Anyone had any luck here? My main problem is that the USB module usb-uhci.o fails to load. The dmesg shows that it is seen, doesn't have an IRQ and then is shut down. There's no place that I can find to assign it an IRQ, either in software or in BIOS. I've looked on the 'net for answers, but none so far, and it's extremely frustrating to have paid for a package that supposedly includes support, but you can't even get a response out of them. And just try to find a customer service email address or phone number for Mandrake... -- Bill Fry IT Director, Young Roehr Group 503.222.0626 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
[newbie] Support for Canon Printers...
Hello, I'm a newbie to Linux Mandrake, although a seasoned intermediate user of Redhat Linux. I was wondering if there is support in Linux Mandrake for a Canon BJC 6000. I noticed that Mandrake supports the BJC 4000 and was hoping that it would also support the BJC 6000. I'm really looking to cut the ties that bind me to Windows Completley. I've got better things to do than be ever more watchful for bad viruses that Windows is alergic to. Thanks in advance, Mark
[newbie] Support for Dell Sound card
Hi, Does anyone own a Dell Inspiron 3500? What driver did you use for the sound card? T'anks, L -- Laurent Duperval "Montreal winters are an intelligence test, U|Force - Java Center and we who are here have failed it." Phone: (514) 282-8484 ext. 228 -Doug Camilli mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Penguin Power!
[newbie] Newbie support - the sequel.....
Does anyone know of Hebrew fonts (I see there is an option for a Hebrew keyboard, but when I type it comes out "gibberish") - is this a known issue or is it simply I don't have the proper fonts (as happens in Windows). Thanks, Dov
RE: [newbie] Newbie support - the sequel.....
Hi Dov! About Hebrew Fonts, Personaly I hope there aren't, but unfortunately my Son would not agree, so if you find any then please let me know. Cheers: Michael Perry. RD. Dep. Netafim Magal. Linux -- the Ultimate Windows Service Pack -Original Message- From: Skaist, Dov [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tue 28 March 2000 17:18 To: Linux (E-mail) Subject: [newbie] Newbie support - the sequel. Does anyone know of Hebrew fonts (I see there is an option for a Hebrew keyboard, but when I type it comes out "gibberish") - is this a known issue or is it simply I don't have the proper fonts (as happens in Windows). Thanks, Dov
[newbie] Support Question....
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Re: [newbie] Support Question....
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Re: [newbie] support for ATI Xpert 2000 graphics card
The next XFree86 will include the rage128 driver. On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Civileme wrote: There is an rpm on the Mandrake 6.1 Installation disk. Look through the folders. It isn't in packages. Civileme Tom Coleman wrote: For information on the card, check out: http://www.atitech.com/ca_us/products/pc/xpert2000/index.html See not on atitech.ca at all :) You're right, it does use the "Rage 128" chipset. However, the Mandrake-Linux installation program is unable to detect it. I was unable to configure it manually, either. Also, I checked the Xfree86 web page and it wasn't listed there. Any more suggestions, anyone? Thanks in advance, Tom - Original Message - From: Axalon Bloodstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] support for ATI Xpert 2000 graphics card On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Tom Coleman wrote: Hi, I have just installed Linux-Mandrake 6.0 on my system. However, I was unable to configure my graphics card and therefore cannot run X. I have an ATI Xpert 2000 card and an ADI 5P+ monitor. Does anyone know if this card is supported? If it is isn't, are there plans to add support for it any time soon? If it is, what should I do in order to get things working? Any help would be much appreciated... Thanks, Tom I'm guessing it's an oem card, from gateway(?) as it's not listed at all on atitech.ca. It is however useing one of two chipsets, the "Rage pro" or "Rage 128" both of which are supported. -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] support for ATI Xpert 2000 graphics card
On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, John Aldrich wrote: On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, you wrote: For information on the card, check out: http://www.atitech.com/ca_us/products/pc/xpert2000/index.html You're right, it does use the "Rage 128" chipset. However, the Mandrake-Linux installation program is unable to detect it. I was unable to configure it manually, either. Also, I checked the Xfree86 web page and it wasn't listed there. Any more suggestions, anyone? Try "XF86_Mach64" as your X server. John I wouldn't expect that to work... -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] support for ATI Xpert 2000 graphics card
On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, you wrote: I wouldn't expect that to work... Hmm...Ok. John
Re: [newbie] support for ATI Xpert 2000 graphics card
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Tom Coleman wrote: Hi, I have just installed Linux-Mandrake 6.0 on my system. However, I was unable to configure my graphics card and therefore cannot run X. I have an ATI Xpert 2000 card and an ADI 5P+ monitor. Does anyone know if this card is supported? If it is isn't, are there plans to add support for it any time soon? If it is, what should I do in order to get things working? Any help would be much appreciated... Thanks, Tom I'm guessing it's an oem card, from gateway(?) as it's not listed at all on atitech.ca. It is however useing one of two chipsets, the "Rage pro" or "Rage 128" both of which are supported. -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
[newbie] support for ATI Xpert 2000 graphics card
Hi, I have just installed Linux-Mandrake 6.0 on my system. However, I was unable to configure my graphics card and therefore cannot run X. I have an ATI Xpert 2000 card and an ADI 5P+ monitor. Does anyone know if this card is supported? If it is isn't, are there plans to add support for it any time soon? If it is, what should I do in order to get things working? Any help would be much appreciated... Thanks, Tom
RE: [newbie] support for ATI Xpert 2000 graphics card
I think that I have read somewhere on the Mandrake site that Mandrake 6.0 is 99% compatible with Red Hat 6.0. Given this is the case the Red Hat hardware compatibility lists might well be a good place to check to see if your hardware, or hardware you are planning to purchase, is supported. They say that the hardware has been tested with Red Hat but give no guarantees. I used their list when choosing components for my system and have not ever had any hardware problems. As far as I know, what works with Red Hat should work with Mandrake (does anyone know differently?), so try having a look at: http://www.redhat.com/corp/support/hardware/index.html The ATI Xpert 2000 didn't seem to show up, though it might be based on a chip set that is supported. You might want to see what chipset it uses and search for that. You might want to also have a look at the Xfree86 homepage - I can't remember the URL however. Aaron -Original Message- From: Tom Coleman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 10:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] support for ATI Xpert 2000 graphics card Hi, I have just installed Linux-Mandrake 6.0 on my system. However, I was unable to configure my graphics card and therefore cannot run X. I have an ATI Xpert 2000 card and an ADI 5P+ monitor. Does anyone know if this card is supported? If it is isn't, are there plans to add support for it any time soon? If it is, what should I do in order to get things working? Any help would be much appreciated... Thanks, Tom
