RE: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
ASUS A7N266-VM84 512M DDR 165 Two hard disks160 CDRW/DVD109 Case (InWin 500D)54 Keyboard/mouse /speakers 12 Floppy drive 12 1G Duron 58 Fan/heatsink 30 Networking card12 Civileme, I have to say I was a little suprised to see an Nvidia mobo recommendation for Linux but I take it that it works well with Mandrake. Two questions about this setup: - does the sound work okay? (obviously not expecting the super cool AC3 encode/decode stuff but ...uses some Intel 810 driver, right?) - did the networking work? (or was the NIC you've included in the list necessary?) - does the install setup program for Mandrake deal with the builtin video/RAM allocation thang? ::mark Well, out of the box on a ProSuite workstation install, everything but networking... After downloading the NForce RPM for mandrake 8.2 from NVidia, the networking worked as well--it just could not be set up during install. That was NOT a recommendation, just an example. I had reasons for the NForce install related to testing, and in fact I cannot recommend it at all for those who will use RAID with any of the journaling filesystems. Thanks for info/clarification. I'm curious, though. If it works well what keeps you from recommending it? It seems at this point that there really isn't a single chipset/motherboard that is without _some_ issue. Mandrakelinux.com lists zero motherboards as Tested by MandrakeSoft and only 9 motherboards as MandrakeLabs Certified and two of these use the KT266 chipset that you were warning users about because of clock problems. One of them even has a Promise WinRAID controller. ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
Mark Stewart wrote: ASUS A7N266-VM84 512M DDR 165 Two hard disks160 CDRW/DVD109 Case (InWin 500D)54 Keyboard/mouse /speakers 12 Floppy drive 12 1G Duron 58 Fan/heatsink 30 Networking card12 Civileme, I have to say I was a little suprised to see an Nvidia mobo recommendation for Linux but I take it that it works well with Mandrake. Two questions about this setup: - does the sound work okay? (obviously not expecting the super cool AC3 encode/decode stuff but ...uses some Intel 810 driver, right?) - did the networking work? (or was the NIC you've included in the list necessary?) - does the install setup program for Mandrake deal with the builtin video/RAM allocation thang? ::mark Well, out of the box on a ProSuite workstation install, everything but networking... After downloading the NForce RPM for mandrake 8.2 from NVidia, the networking worked as well--it just could not be set up during install. That was NOT a recommendation, just an example. I had reasons for the NForce install related to testing, and in fact I cannot recommend it at all for those who will use RAID with any of the journaling filesystems. Thanks for info/clarification. I'm curious, though. If it works well what keeps you from recommending it? It seems at this point that there really isn't a single chipset/motherboard that is without _some_ issue. Mandrakelinux.com lists zero motherboards as Tested by MandrakeSoft and only 9 motherboards as MandrakeLabs Certified and two of these use the KT266 chipset that you were warning users about because of clock problems. One of them even has a Promise WinRAID controller. ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Well, I am having problems with the proprietary driver+Nforce+journaling filesystem+software RAID0 producing massive corruption of filesystems. The little NForce would be neat with an inexpensive processor and RAID0 (two drives striping) in terms of fleetness of foot and video performance but for that. Removing the proprietary driver shows no corruption after a lot of sledgehammering. Yes, the WinRAIDs are often overlooked. With RAID disabled, they are high-quality extra controllers for IDE. It is also possible to make a WinRAID smaller than the whole disk and install linux on the rest of the two disks, using software RAID. In that case you should(tm) be able to read the winpartitions (if they aren't some hyper-secret form of NTFS). If WinRAID 0+1 is selected on 4 disks and the WinRAID doesn't use the whole disk, you should be able to put RAID4 or RAID5 on the balance of the four disks as well as RAID0 or RAID1. Of course the WinRAID gives you one RAID for whatever size you choose, and you partition within it, while linux software RAID gives you many RAIDs, each one partition with one filesystem. I have one machine using RAID5 for /home over 2 IDE and 2 SCSI disks, and RAID0 for /usr over the two SCSI drives, RAID0 for /var over the IDEs, and ext2 for / over the first IDE, while all 4 have swap (which stripes automatically). MandrakeLabs certified means they install and run with standard defaults. Software RAID and journaling filesystems in combination are not tested in that sequence, which is why the broken clock problem did not surface, but if ever you decide to use a BTTV 848 or similar, you will discover it quickly for yourself. And, yes, you are right. Intel 815 and 845 and the SiS chipsets seem to be the most trouble-free ATM. Performance doesn't have the pizazz power users think they need, but they do work (and the SiS stuff still tolerates my Voodoo 5). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
Sorry that I'm so behind on this list but I'm _still_ shopping for a new box so... Well, if you wait a week on Wal-Mart, you can probably buy the computer with MandrakeLinux or Lindows preinstalled. I cannot in good conscience recommend Lindows to _anyone_. It is likely to become a huge target for exploits, but the Mandrake preinstalation should be a fair deal. Hmmm Lessee ASUS A7N266-VM84 512M DDR 165 Two hard disks160 CDRW/DVD109 Case (InWin 500D)54 Keyboard/mouse /speakers 12 Floppy drive 12 1G Duron 58 Fan/heatsink 30 Networking card12 Civileme, I have to say I was a little suprised to see an Nvidia mobo recommendation for Linux but I take it that it works well with Mandrake. Two questions about this setup: - does the sound work okay? (obviously not expecting the super cool AC3 encode/decode stuff but ...uses some Intel 810 driver, right?) - did the networking work? (or was the NIC you've included in the list necessary?) - does the install setup program for Mandrake deal with the builtin video/RAM allocation thang? ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
On Thursday 20 June 2002 07:21 pm, Marcia wrote: AIB 17 Color Monitor .27dpi ***FREE SHIPPING*** 17MOSEL [pad] Regular price: $159.00 [pad] Sale price: [$123.00] [pad] Thank you, Marcia Looks like a great deal, specially with free shipping. I bought a el cheapo MagView from Best Buy 2 years ago. It has similar specs as your AIB, works just fine at 1024x768. I use to buy expensive monitors, now I look for the cheapest thing goin and toss it when it wears out. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
On Thursday 20 June 2002 08:36 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/20/209223mode=nested; tid=137 When I last looked, there were close to 600 posts (no, I didn't read them all.) The one vendor who is getting very high scores is newegg.com; another is www.mwave.com. I'm not familiar with either one, but I'm going to check them out. I'll vouch for www.mwave.com (Multiwave). I've done a lot of business with them for several years, never a problem, quick service, very competive prices, and latest hardware. They don't gouge on shipping either. Last several motherboard bundles I got from them were manufactured less than 2 weeks before Mwave shipped 'em. My current Tbird was one week old, latest stepping. For dated, but cheap hardware, check out http://www.compgeeks.com/ I bought the Mlink external modem from them, $24.50, a link that Civileme posted to this list a while back. Works absolutely great! Unfortunately, it sold out quicky, MOF, just a few days after I ordered mine. Getting back to this thread's topic, I don't take chances, I get ram from http://www.crucial.com/ -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Marcia: I really do like the way you go about your shopping. I'm thinking about an upgrade myself, so I've been piggybacking. It just so happens that there's a thread on Slashdot tonight about good sources for components and systems: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/20/209223mode=nestedtid=137 When I last looked, there were close to 600 posts (no, I didn't read them all.) The one vendor who is getting very high scores is newegg.com; another is www.mwave.com. I'm not familiar with either one, but I'm going to check them out. -- cmg I've actually bought quite a bit of stuff from newegg myself. Great prices and I've never had reason to complain. The last box I built was almost all newegg stuff. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
tom Brinkman wrote: While building from scratch might offer the best results, it's never the cheapest route. In general that may be true, but I upgrade my systems piecemeal -- that is, I sometimes upgrade an existing system reusing the hard drive, CD-Rom, case, and anything else that is not obsolete. And, even if I eventually want a bigger hard drive, I can put that off until later, or put two of my smaller hard drives on one system and buy one bigger new one for another system. (Unfortunately, in the next go round, I'll need to upgrade the case and the memory in most cases.) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
Marcia wrote: On Wednesday 19 June 2002 02:12 pm, you wrote: Note also that Walmart is now selling Microtel computers, either with no operating system or with Lindows preinstalled. With Lindows preinstalled, the first three price points are $299, $499, ahd $599, IIRC. The $299 machine doesn't look bad for the price. Dear All, Thank you all for your help. I have been checking out Walmart and they have some good deals it appears. Also, I finally found a source that may have what I am looking for. They use either Microstar, ECS, and DFI motherboards. Does anyone have an experience with LM 8.2 and any of these motherboards? They all have integrated sound, lan, and video for the one I put together. I came up with a price without monitor of 537.17. This does not include shipping. I thought the specs were good with 512 sdram memory, 60 gig hard drive, altec lansing speakers, Athlon XP Palomino 1600+, upgraded cooling for cpu, and case has 2 USB ports in front which I prefer personally, etc. Has anyone have any thoughts about this? The web page is www.mgepc.com/. I already looked at the motherboard comments from the Linux Hardware Database and some had problems with the sound but it seemed that there were many others who had everything working especially if I remember correctly if they were using LM 8.2. I may be confused with Microstar with this but both Motherboards seemed to have good ratings with Linux people. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Actually, the ECS K7S5A which is advertised on that page works as well with just a sound tweak, and was once rated highly by Tom's hardware and Anand's sites. ECS is a PCChips brand, but that is one where the blind hog did seem to find the acorn. Microstar sometimes works, but watch out for the Chipset. Right now anything based on the ALi Magic or KT266A is likely to be no bargain (for-real broken clocks). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Monday 17 June 2002 07:03 pm, Marcia wrote: Dear All, Thank you for your comments about upgrading. I am still window shopping and comparing barebone kits running Athlon XP's. Sometimes I see OEM and I really do not know what that means. I am comparing a Jetway 830CF Barebones w/AMD XP 1600+ CPU and PC Chips 817LR Athlon Socket-A Ali Chipset, DDR/SDRAM support. I'd strongly suggest further that you use a board that's on AMD's recommended list for best results. http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_4348^4351,00.html There's two Jetway boards on the 1600+ list, but the 830CF isn't one of 'em. Also, with Athlon, Duron, or even P4 cpu/motherboards it's very important to also use a quality recommended power supply http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_4348^4351,00.html Both of the above requirements will probly not be met by any 'barebones' kit. I surely wouldn't try to skimp on the motherboard/ PSU, it's the very foundation of a system. My son-in-law said to stay away from Duron. It sounds like many of you use Duron though without a problem. There's nothin at all wrong with Duron's, but you get a lot more proccessor for just a few $$'s more usin an Athlon. A 1.4 Ghz Athlon is only about $80, while 1.x Ghz Duron's are about $60. with Linux. Anyone know anything about the PC Chips 817LR Athlon Socket-A ALi Chipset? PC Chips is very low end hardware, just about the lowest. You won't find any of their products on the recommended lists. Be careful, PC Chips markets their boards under about 20 different brand names.http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen.de/q3998142/pcchips/ -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Athlon Socket-A Ali Chipset, DDR/SDRAM support. My son-in-law said to stay away from Duron. It sounds like many of you use Duron though without a problem. The Jetway 830CF is being offered for 229.00 I believe while the I have an Athlon as well, but many people say Duron runs fine. The big difference between the two is that the Duron lacks the secondary cache, and therefore is going to run slower. Even so, it's a good step up from a Pentium II. Tou'll probably be better off with the Athlon in the long run - but typically, memory is more important than processor speed, so for example a duron with 512 megs is a better investment than an athlon with 256. Also, you may not need such a fast athlon - you might be able to obtain a slower speed one at reduced cost. Usually when manufacturers make a set of cpus at different speeds, the really higher speed versions are way off scale in price -- they are far more expensive than the increase in speed would warrant. (You might pay 50% more for 5% increase in speed.) After a while those prices settle, and sometimes the best choice is a cpu with a speed of just a little bit less than the highest speed available - say for instance a 1400 in your situation. FWIW I got a 1000 mhz athlon, but that was back in March of 2001. I'm sure prices have gotten much lower :(. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Tuesday 18 June 2002 10:17 am, you wrote: Athlon Socket-A Ali Chipset, DDR/SDRAM support. My son-in-law said to stay away from Duron. It sounds like many of you use Duron though without a problem. The Jetway 830CF is being offered for 229.00 I believe while the I have an Athlon as well, but many people say Duron runs fine. The big difference between the two is that the Duron lacks the secondary cache, and therefore is going to run slower. Even so, it's a good step up from a Pentium II. Tou'll probably be better off with the Athlon in the long run - but typically, memory is more important than processor speed, so for example a duron with 512 megs is a better investment than an athlon with 256. Also, you may not need such a fast athlon - you might be able to obtain a slower speed one at reduced cost. Usually when manufacturers make a set of cpus at different speeds, the really higher speed versions are way off scale in price -- they are far more expensive than the increase in speed would warrant. (You might pay 50% more for 5% increase in speed.) After a while those prices settle, and sometimes the best choice is a cpu with a speed of just a little bit less than the highest speed available - say for instance a 1400 in your situation. FWIW I got a 1000 mhz athlon, but that was back in March of 2001. I'm sure prices have gotten much lower :(. Dear All, Thank you all for your help with my upgrading. I am tossing back and forth between the Jetway 830CF barebones with Athlon XP 1500 and another barebones, Biostart M7VkQ Socket-A XP BRD with Audio/Video and Athlon XP 1600. The Biostar one has a Trident Blade 3D Video Integrated. Does this video card work well with LM 8.2? According to Civileme the Jetway system works well with LM8.2. Thanks for any help here. Sincerely, Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Marcia wrote: Dear All, Thank you for your comments about upgrading. I am still window shopping and comparing barebone kits running Athlon XP's. Sometimes I see OEM and I really do not know what that means. I am comparing a Jetway 830CF Barebones w/AMD XP 1600+ CPU and PC Chips 817LR Athlon Socket-A Ali Chipset, DDR/SDRAM support. My son-in-law said to stay away from Duron. It sounds like many of you use Duron though without a problem. The Jetway 830CF is being offered for 229.00 I believe while the other one is being offered for 151.00 which includes shipping. I really do not have the know-how to make a good comparison. I was told that they both work with Linux. Anyone know anything about the PC Chips 817LR Athlon Socket-A ALi Chipset? Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. Sincerely, Marcia Yes the ALi chipset has a broken clock which can sometimes corrupt the filesystems and make it difficult to run BT848 video capture and TV cards. Besides that, PCChips does not have one of the better reputations in the industry though I don't avoid them as strongly as I did a few years ago. BEWARE also of VIA KT266 chipsets which ALSO have broken clocks. Now 229 for the Board and processor seems a bit steep. I see at www.surpluscomputers.com that a barebone system based on the 830CF (including case and power supply) with the AMD XP 1500 is 229.95 while a mobo with the processor is 199.95. Regardless of which you decide to purchase, take the plunge and get a copper-bottomed heatsink with a 7000rpm fan. The copper is less likely to wear away the corners of the chip or the very thin layer of special glass on top of it (actually SiO2), and the cooling is absolutely essential for processor life. Most AMD chips still do not have thermal shutdown, so it is possible that yours will self-destruct in thermal overload. Whatever fan that comes with the packages should be discarded or sold to a Duron owner, where cooling isn't such a critical task. www.directron.com has a large assortment of fans. I have been using the Dragon Orb 1, but it isn't copper-bottomed. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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civileme wrote: Marcia wrote: Dear All, Thank you for your comments about upgrading. I am still window shopping and comparing barebone kits running Athlon XP's. Sometimes I see OEM and I really do not know what that means. I am comparing a Jetway 830CF Barebones w/AMD XP 1600+ CPU and PC Chips 817LR Athlon Socket-A Ali Chipset, DDR/SDRAM support. My son-in-law said to stay away from Duron. It sounds like many of you use Duron though without a problem. The Jetway 830CF is being offered for 229.00 I believe while the other one is being offered for 151.00 which includes shipping. I really do not have the know-how to make a good comparison. I was told that they both work with Linux. Anyone know anything about the PC Chips 817LR Athlon Socket-A ALi Chipset? Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. Sincerely, Marcia Yes the ALi chipset has a broken clock which can sometimes corrupt the filesystems and make it difficult to run BT848 video capture and TV cards. Besides that, PCChips does not have one of the better reputations in the industry though I don't avoid them as strongly as I did a few years ago. BEWARE also of VIA KT266 chipsets which ALSO have broken clocks. Now 229 for the Board and processor seems a bit steep. I see at www.surpluscomputers.com that a barebone system based on the 830CF (including case and power supply) with the AMD XP 1500 is 229.95 while a mobo with the processor is 199.95. Regardless of which you decide to purchase, take the plunge and get a copper-bottomed heatsink with a 7000rpm fan. The copper is less likely to wear away the corners of the chip or the very thin layer of special glass on top of it (actually SiO2), and the cooling is absolutely essential for processor life. Most AMD chips still do not have thermal shutdown, so it is possible that yours will self-destruct in thermal overload. Whatever fan that comes with the packages should be discarded or sold to a Duron owner, where cooling isn't such a critical task. www.directron.com has a large assortment of fans. I have been using the Dragon Orb 1, but it isn't copper-bottomed. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com OEM--Original Equipment Manufacturer For CPUs that means no fancy box, usually no fan and a very very limited warranty, all of which are enhanced considerably in the retail version for $20% more money. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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dfox wrote: I imagine Mandrake would work OK with such a system. But personally I shy away with 'branded' computers - isn't there a way you can upgrade the system you have, just get the components you need, and then install on that? HPs a respected brand but I wouldn't buy a P4 system from any- one - the processor is just too da*n crippled and too expensive. AMD is far better choice. And you probably have some good HD space left, but if not, you can save your orig drive(s) and move them into a new home. * Intel® Pentium® 4 1.60GHz Processor * 512MB Memory * 80GB Hard Drive * 16x8x40x CDRW * 16x DVD * 3.5 1.44MB Floppy Drive * nVidia TNT2 M64 32MB AGP graphics card Note that apart from the video card, nothing is said about the makers of the individual components. One thing I've noticed is that many prebuilt PCs use good hardware for the things they think people will notice (CPU, video card etc.) then skimp on the more obscure parts - frequently the motherboard (which is probably the component you need to choose most carefully!). If you don't want to mess around assembling parts, a solution is to approach a small firm who will build one to your specs. This way you can ensure you get what you want, and avoid getting Windows as well. Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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robin wrote: dfox wrote: I imagine Mandrake would work OK with such a system. But personally I shy away with 'branded' computers - isn't there a way you can upgrade the system you have, just get the components you need, and then install on that? HPs a respected brand but I wouldn't buy a P4 system from any- one - the processor is just too da*n crippled and too expensive. AMD is far better choice. And you probably have some good HD space left, but if not, you can save your orig drive(s) and move them into a new home. I understand Walmart is now selling computers, either with no operating system, or with Lindows preinstalled -- it could be worth looking at. BTW, I like cheap motherboards. I've used TX-Pro II motherboards with onboard sound and video for a number of years without problems on Windows. (I've had difficulty with Linux, but some of that is probably my problem. I am stuck at Xfree 3.3.6 on those motherboards, IIRC, and don't have sound working. (I normally don't use sound, don't have speakers plugged in -- there is a slight possibility that sound does now work (with some more recent installs) but I really haven't checked. The newer motherboard I'm using is a Matsonic MS8308-E (or EP?). On board sound, video (works with the new Xfree -- 4.2.x?), NIC, and special LMR slot for a modem. (On board stuff is based on the SiS 730 chipset.) One nice feature of the board is that the on board video is AGP, but there is also an AGP slot, so if I want to plug in a better video card I can. I originally installed Mandrake 7.2 (after being unsuccessful with Mandrake 8.0), and sound did not work. Since then I've upgraded to Mandrake 8.1 and then 8.2 but never tested the sound. I understand that the NIC does not work with Linux -- I've never tried as I use coax on my network, and the on board NIC is RJ-45 (10/100). Aside: The reason I switched motherboards is that the TX-Pro II could handle a max of two 64 MB DIMMS (plus two SIMMs, IIRC, 32 MB each). I needed more memory. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 14 June 2002 19:58 pm, Marcia wrote: snip Dear All, The above message convinces me to consider very seriously to build my own computer by starting with a barebones kit-mainly this one below: Jetway 830CF Barebones w/ Duron 1Ghz. CPU $164.95 $149.95 On Sale! I'm running one of these boards with a Duron 1200 - no probs, I would just quote the following from the mb manual ...provides 4x mode AGP slot support 4X AGP card for those wanting even greater graphic performance. However, due to the chipset's specification, on board AGP slot supports n-Vidia TNT series VGA card only -- John Clarke, Derby, England Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I'll be honest say that *as a guess* one of two things will happen with your desired 512 mb's of ram: a) the comp will puke refuse to boot. or b) the comp will boot fine, and you'll be happy. General Vague I know but i've had some experience with 200mz Pentiums. I've found in general that is the case. In one case I had ot remove one of the simms (or was it a dimm?) because I knew that although the memory was good, the BIOS wouldn't go higher than 256Mb of Ram. NO matter what I did, it just threw up gave plaintive little beeps :( Dear All, The above message convinces me to consider very seriously to build my own computer by starting with a barebones kit-mainly this one below: Jetway 830CF Barebones w/ Duron 1Ghz. CPU $164.95 $149.95 On Sale! ***Hard Drive, Memory, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, Operating System Not Included*** Jetway 830CF Barebones w/ Duron 1Ghz CPU This barebone come with Tower Case, Floppy Drive, Motherboard, and CPU Only. NO Hard Drive, Memory, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, or Operating System. Processors Supported - Support AMD Athlon 600MHz - XP PR2000 - Support AMD Duron 600MHz - 1.3 GHz - Support 100/133 MHz CPU Bus clock - Support 266MHz DDR F.S.B - Duron 1Ghz CPU Included Clock Generator - Support 100/133 MHz Front Side Bus Clock (CPU Bus Clock0 - Support 100/133 MHz system memory clock - Support 33MHz PCI Bus clock Memory Support - 168-Pin DIMM Module Socket x 2. - Support PC100/PC133 SDRAM - Expandable to 1.0GB - Support 3.3V SDRAM module Chipset Sis 730S Chipset BIOS Type Award 2MB Flash ROM On Board I/O - PS/2 Keyboard and mouse connector - 1 x Floppy Disk Drive - 2 x Serial Port - 1 x Parallel Port - 2 x USB connector - Audio connector (Line-in, Line-out, MIC and Game Port) On Board IDE Channel Two PCI IDE controllers support PCI Bus Mastering, ATA PIO/DMA and the ULTRA DMA 33/66/100 modes Expansion Slots - AGP Slot x1 - 32-bit PCI slot x 3 - CNR slot x 1 - Support Audio, modem only VGA - 3D graphic acceleration - VGA Memory Selectable by BIOS from 8MB to 64MB Integrate LAN Fast Ethernet controller 10/100 mbps Audio - AC'97 Digital Audio controller integrated - AC'97 Audio CODEC on board - Audio driver and utility included Board Size Micro ATX form factor; 24.4x21.0cm Condition New Warranty 90 Days Package Content This barebone come with Tower Case, Floppy Drive, Motherboard, Duron 1Ghz CPU, Cables, Motherboard Utility CD, and Owner's Manual. NO Hard Drive, Memory, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, or Operating System. Surplus Computers 1600 Duane Ave. Santa Clara, CA 95054 Retail Store / Mail Order Phone: 408-327-0420 Mail Order Fax: 408-327-0113 1.My question here is hard drive would go with this that is good, inexpensive, 40 or more gigs, and works with LM 8.2? 2. Will any keyboard, mouse, and speakers, do that are generic and inexpensive? 3. Will my old Iomega internal atapi zip drive go with this or should I get a new one? Again I want one that is inexpensive and works with this system and Linux Mandrake 8.2. 4. Will all of the above plus 512 megs of ram run much faster than my old Pentium II MMX 200 MHz , Genuine Intel cpu, with 128 megs of ram? 5. What would be a good inexpensive monitor that would go with this? I found a refurbished Dell for $79.95 specs below: Dell 17 Monitor (Refurbished) $99.95 $79.95 On Sale! Dell 17 Monitor (Refurbished) Please Note: These monitors are almost brand new and were manufactured between Dec 99 to Mid 2001. Monitor may differ in appearance slightly. Tube Type Shadow Mask Dot Pitch 0.27mm Viewable Size 16 HSCAN 30-70Khz VSCAN 50-160Hz Max. Resolution 1280x1024 Platforms PC and MAC Signal Input HD15 VGA Connector Dimension 16.7in (W) x 16.5in (H) x 17.8in (D) Weight 55lbs Gross Power Supply 100-240VAC Condition Refurbished Warranty 90 Days Package Content Monitor and Power Cord, no documentation. Surplus Computers 1600 Duane Ave. Santa Clara, CA 95054 Retail Store / Mail Order Phone: 408-327-0420 Mail Order Fax: 408-327-0113 Any thoughts, suggestions, etc. will be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much for all of your helpful comments. Sincerely, Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 14 June 2002 11:58 am, Marcia did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: The above message convinces me to consider very seriously to build my own computer by starting with a barebones kit-mainly this one below: always a good way to learn... 1.My question here is hard drive would go with this that is good, inexpensive, 40 or more gigs, and works with LM 8.2? i have always liked maxtor, and the 5400 rpm drives are slightly cheaper than the faster 7200 and if i recall come in 40gig portions. i have a 20 gig in here and installed stuff on whim alone and have plenty to spare despite my 1 gig mp3 collection and 4-5 gigs of games... 2. Will any keyboard, mouse, and speakers, do that are generic and inexpensive? well any ps/2 or usb. ps2 is likely easiest/cheapest. converter plugs can be found if you have stuff you intend to use with the wrong plug. 3. Will my old Iomega internal atapi zip drive go with this or should I get a new one? Again I want one that is inexpensive and works with this system and Linux Mandrake 8.2. should work, but i have never used a zip, so take with a (several?) grain of salt 4. Will all of the above plus 512 megs of ram run much faster than my old Pentium II MMX 200 MHz , Genuine Intel cpu, with 128 megs of ram? _much_much_faster 5. What would be a good inexpensive monitor that would go with this? I found a refurbished Dell for $79.95 specs below: i hate monitors with dot pitch worse than about .25, but that sounds like a good screen at that price. - -- A senior Microsoft Corp. executive told a federal court that some Microsoft code was so flawed it could not be safely disclosed. Can you say Trustworthy Computing? shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Ck/yBwq+ZwvIN/oRAkPXAJ4ktiUWqxck4itYoacj6o5hiOZDQgCfbCM1 LtZMxNDdjnFtI7lgZLGIC5U= =2Qt7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Again thanks for all of the suggestions. Below are the specs on a computer that I am considering. Would Linux-Mandrake 8.2 work on this machine? I may Next time, don't cut and paste the whole ad. Otherwise your message is looking like someone spammed the list. I imagine Mandrake would work OK with such a system. But personally I shy away with 'branded' computers - isn't there a way you can upgrade the system you have, just get the components you need, and then install on that? HPs a respected brand but I wouldn't buy a P4 system from any- one - the processor is just too da*n crippled and too expensive. AMD is far better choice. And you probably have some good HD space left, but if not, you can save your orig drive(s) and move them into a new home. * Intel® Pentium® 4 1.60GHz Processor * 512MB Memory * 80GB Hard Drive * 16x8x40x CDRW * 16x DVD * 3.5 1.44MB Floppy Drive * nVidia TNT2 M64 32MB AGP graphics card Note that apart from the video card, nothing is said about the makers of the individual components. * 10/100 NIC * 56K Modem * Windows XP Home And you already have a NIC and modem, no doubt. Why buy another one -- unless of course you have to move to a new system that doesn't have any legacy slots. I did that :( with the ASUS board I got. But then I don't need an ISA modem when I have DSL :) And you don't need Windows :) but of course they throw it in as part of the price. Only way to get around that is to just buy the individual components. (Although I've seen Maxtor hard drive OEMs that say requires Microsoft Windows on them, they format etc just fine in Linux.) :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 12 June 2002 04:55 pm, you wrote: Marcia wrote: On Wednesday 12 June 2002 12:26 pm, you wrote: I knew that you are not supposed to mix different kinds of memory so my plan was to take out the simms and put in two 256 megs of sdram dimm ram into the dimm 168 pin slots. I thought that might work for getting my much desired 512 megs of ram. Will this make a big difference for my speed given the processor info above? Thanks for the great thoughts and suggestions. Marcia I'll be honest say that *as a guess* one of two things will happen with your desired 512 mb's of ram: Dear All Civileme, Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions. I have come to the conclusion that if I want 512 mb's of ram then I either must upgrade my motherboard and cpu or get a new computer. I am thinking very hard about purchasing the Jetway 830CF Socket A ATX Motherboard w/Duron 1Ghz, CPU that is going for $129.95 from www.softwareandstuff.com. Does anyone know if this kit is complete with needed cooling fans, etc? It has video onboard and sound which Civileme says works with Linux. Will this go well with the rest of my system or will I be forced to upgrade other hardware because of this upgrade? Any help here will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Marcia a) the comp will puke refuse to boot. or b) the comp will boot fine, and you'll be happy. General Vague I know but i've had some experience with 200mz Pentiums. I've found in general that is the case. In one case I had ot remove one of the simms (or was it a dimm?) because I knew that although the memory was good, the BIOS wouldn't go higher than 256Mb of Ram. NO matter what I did, it just threw up gave plaintive little beeps :( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 12 June 2002 04:44 pm, you wrote: Marcia wrote: Dear All, I mentioned lately that I have upgraded with simms EDO 72 pin memory to 128 megs of ram. To my surprise when I opened my box I found 2 empty dimm 168 pin slots. Does this mean that I could upgrade to 512 megs of ram using the 168 pin dimm sdram memory modules? I certainly would prefer that to a new computer or upgrading the motherboard/cpu. I have a 200 megahertz genuine Intel motherboard and Pentium II MMX processor. Also, I am using LM 8.2. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Marcia Simms Dimms don't mix. You have to use one or the other. so populate your Dimms slots, but remove the SIMMS in place already. Or vice versa. Dear All, Again thanks for all of the suggestions. Below are the specs on a computer that I am considering. Would Linux-Mandrake 8.2 work on this machine? I may add a Dell 17 monitor that is on sale for $99.00. Is this a good combo and will this all work with LM8.2? Thanks for the help. Sincerely, Marcia The fantastic HP Pavilion 750n desktop features components like the Intel® Pentium® 4 1.60 GHz processor, 512MB memory, massive 80GB hard drive, DVD, CDRW and much more. The HP Pavilion 750n meets all-around business computing needs with long-term stability, innovative manageability and connectivity. Specifications: * Intel® Pentium® 4 1.60GHz Processor * 512MB Memory * 80GB Hard Drive * 16x8x40x CDRW * 16x DVD * 3.5 1.44MB Floppy Drive * nVidia TNT2 M64 32MB AGP graphics card * 10/100 NIC * 56K Modem * Windows XP Home * Recertified w/ 90 Day Limited Warranty * Monitor Sold Separately Additional Specifications: * Microprocessor: Intel® Pentium® 4 processor 1.60GHz with Intel® NetBurst^(TM) micro-architecture * Frontside Bus: 400MHz * Memory: 512MB DDR SDRAM (exp. to 2GB) * Hard Drive: 80GB Ultra DMA * CD-RW Drive: HP CD-Writer (16x/8x/40x) * Multimedia Drive: 16x max. speed DVD-ROM * Video Graphics: nVidia TNT2^(TM) M64 AGP graphics card * Network Card: Integrated 10/100Base-T networking interface * Data/Fax Modem: ITU V.90 K56flex modem, data/fax only (33.6Kbps send/download up to 56Kbps/14.4Kbps fax) * Total Drive Bays: - External (1) 3.5, (2) 5.25 - Internal (2) 3.5 * Available Drive Bays: Internal (1) 3.5 * Total Expansion Slots: 3 PCI; 1 AGP * Available Slots: 1 PCI * Total External Ports: - 4 USB - 2 Serial - 1 parallel - 1 game port - 2 PS/2 - 3 IEEE 1394 ports * Available External Ports: - 4 USB - 2 serial - 1 parallel - 1 game port - 3 IEEE 1394 ports * Front Mounted Ports: - 2 USB - 1 Serial port - 1 IEEE 1394 port * Total Memory Slots: 2 DIMM (184pin, DDR) * Video Memory: 32MB SDRAM * Available Memory Slots: 0 DIMM (184 pin, DDR) * Memory Speed: 2100 MB/sec * Primary Cache (L1): 8KBytes of Data Cache + Trace Cache containing 12,000 Micro-Op entries * Secondary-Level Cache (L2): 256Kb advanced transfer cache * MPEG: MPEG2 for full-motion digital video * Keyboard: HP Internet Command Center; one-touch Internet keyboard * Speakers: Polk Audio Stereo Speakers with Power Port technology * DVD Software: InterVideo WinDVD^(TM) Manufactured by: Hewlett Packard Manufacturer Part No: RB-P6319AR Manufacturer Warranty: A full text version of the manufacturer's warranty may be obtained by mailing a self addressed, stamped envelope to the address below and requesting the warranty for item number: A265-1030 P TigerDirect.com Warranty Information 7795 West Flagler Street, Ste. 35 Miami, Florida 33144 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory
Marcia wrote: Dear All Civileme, Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions. I have come to the conclusion that if I want 512 mb's of ram then I either must upgrade my motherboard and cpu or get a new computer. I am thinking very hard about purchasing the Jetway 830CF Socket A ATX Motherboard w/Duron 1Ghz, CPU that is going for $129.95 from www.softwareandstuff.com. Does anyone know if this kit is complete with needed cooling fans, etc? It has video onboard and sound which Civileme says works with Linux. Will this go well with the rest of my system or will I be forced to upgrade other hardware because of this upgrade? Any help here will be greatly appreciated. well OK. Now you'll need: New RAM New Case *ATX case only, sorry they ditched the AT-style you have with your p200* Vid card taken care of. Sound card (onboard?!) extras (CDrom/Burner/DVDRom, extra HDD's, etc). Heh I'm sure some other tech geek will provide more info than this... I'm just giving you bare outlines. -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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It all depends on your motherboard's specs, Marcia. There's an ancient PC Chips mobo on my workbench now with 4 SIMM slots and 2 DIMM slots... but the documentation says that (A) SIMMs 1 and 2 cannot be used simultaneously with DIMM 1, nor can SIMMs 3 and 4 be used simultaneously with DIMM 2, and (B) DIMMs are limited to 128 MB max each. No doubt your mobo has different restrictions, but I cite this to warn the adventuresome that just because you've got lots of slots doesn't mean that you can fill them all. Check your documentation. Warren On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 19:56, Marcia wrote: Dear All, I mentioned lately that I have upgraded with simms EDO 72 pin memory to 128 megs of ram. To my surprise when I opened my box I found 2 empty dimm 168 pin slots. Does this mean that I could upgrade to 512 megs of ram using the 168 pin dimm sdram memory modules? I certainly would prefer that to a new computer or upgrading the motherboard/cpu. I have a 200 megahertz genuine Intel motherboard and Pentium II MMX processor. Also, I am using LM 8.2. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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dfox wrote: You might be able to add more RAM. It depends on your motherboard, and you should consult the manufacturer's manual to be sure. There can be problems mixing different types and speeds of RAM, and it might be an either/or situation with respect to simms vs. dimms in that particular motherboard. What he said! And, if you don't have the manual for the motherboard anymore, try to give us a model number. (I'm not sure that 200 megahertz genuine Intel motherboard pins it down -- does the 200 mhz refer to the max. processor speed of to the memory bus speed -- if the latter, it's a fairly recent motherboard and I'd expect to be able to put a lot of memory (more than 128 MB) in the dimm slots. But just for perspective, the motherboard I've used as a standard for several years (I've started replacing them recently) can use simms and dimms in certain specific combinations (I don't know what that does to the overall memory bus speed -- someone told me all the memory would run at the speed of the slowest simms), but the maximum size dimm (in each of two slots) is 64 MB. So I run these motherboards (in Linux) with 128 MB. Like I said, check your manual, and if you don't have your manual, search the Intel site for more info, or publish the model number here, so maybe somebody with the same motherboard can help you. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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et wrote: MOST times you can _not_ mix, in fact I do not ever remember a MOBo where you can mix 128 pin and 72 pin. Just for the record, my old standard motherboard does allow this, with some limitations. It has 4 simm slots and 2 dimm slots, you cannot use both slot 1s. In other words, you can use all 4 simm slots and only the 2nd dimm slot, or you can use both dimm slots, but only the 3rd and 4th simm slots. (And, in addition, as I think I mentioned in an earlier post, the dimm slots are limited to 64 MB. each.) (Hmm, now that I think about it, I might have one machine running with both types of RAM. I'll have to do some looking around. If so, I left it that way, so I must have thought it was an improvement. If I can confirm that, I'll write again.) And, I've been told (but don't know for a fact), that if you do use both types of slot, all the memory runs at the speed of the slowest type. I've seen the motherboard with a couple of different brand names, I usually refer to it as a TX-Pro II, oftentimes with a manual that simply says Mainboard. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 12 June 2002 12:26 pm, you wrote: dfox wrote: You might be able to add more RAM. It depends on your motherboard, and you should consult the manufacturer's manual to be sure. There can be problems mixing different types and speeds of RAM, and it might be an either/or situation with respect to simms vs. dimms in that particular motherboard. What he said! And, if you don't have the manual for the motherboard anymore, try to give us a model number. (I'm not sure that 200 megahertz genuine Intel motherboard pins it down -- does the 200 mhz refer to the max. processor speed of to the memory bus speed -- if the latter, it's a fairly recent motherboard and I'd expect to be able to put a lot of memory (more than 128 MB) in the dimm slots. But just for perspective, the motherboard I've used as a standard for several years (I've started replacing them recently) can use simms and dimms in certain specific combinations (I don't know what that does to the overall memory bus speed -- someone told me all the memory would run at the speed of the slowest simms), but the maximum size dimm (in each of two slots) is 64 MB. So I run these motherboards (in Linux) with 128 MB. Like I said, check your manual, and if you don't have your manual, search the Intel site for more info, or publish the model number here, so maybe somebody with the same motherboard can help you. Randy Kramer Dear All, Thank you for your thoughts. I never did have a manual for it, wish I did. Is the model number only on the board? I guess the best way to get all of the info is to open up the machine again. I will do that, if needed, but is there another way? I copied my info below from the system info for the processor: processor 0 vendor_id GenuineIntel cpu family 5 model4 model name Pentium MMX stepping4 cpu MHz 200.459 fdiv_bugno hlt_bug no f00f_bugyes coma_bug no fpuyes fpu_exception yes cpuid level 1 wpyes flags fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 mmx bogomips 399.76 I knew that you are not supposed to mix different kinds of memory so my plan was to take out the simms and put in two 256 megs of sdram dimm ram into the dimm 168 pin slots. I thought that might work for getting my much desired 512 megs of ram. Will this make a big difference for my speed given the processor info above? Thanks for the great thoughts and suggestions. Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:26 am, Randy Kramer wrote: And, if you don't have the manual for the motherboard anymore, try to give us a model number. (I'm not sure that 200 megahertz genuine Intel motherboard pins it down -- does the 200 mhz refer to the max. processor speed of to the memory bus speed -- if the latter, it's a fairly recent motherboard and I'd expect to be able to put a lot of memory (more than 128 MB) in the dimm slots. Marcia said 'genuineintel', but that really says very little. Intel makes several versions of all their models. Keepin it simple, that boils down to 'retail', 'OEM', and 'OEM ONLY' versions. The latter being spec boards like found in Dells and other ready mades. These boards are stripped to the bones (by spec), Intel doesn't support 'em, and they usually have a spec version Phoenix bios. I suspect it's an OEM ONLY spec since many of those boards only support 128 ram, usually 2 - 64mb sticks max. Intel retail boards, specially their high end server stuff is renowned for stabillity, but come in last place for performance and compatibiltiy with anything non-Intel. They hardly own up to their spec board versions, mostly I believe tryin to hide they even make the stuff. Bios string will probly be more helpful than FCC # in identifying the board. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Marcia wrote: Dear All, I mentioned lately that I have upgraded with simms EDO 72 pin memory to 128 megs of ram. To my surprise when I opened my box I found 2 empty dimm 168 pin slots. Does this mean that I could upgrade to 512 megs of ram using the 168 pin dimm sdram memory modules? I certainly would prefer that to a new computer or upgrading the motherboard/cpu. I have a 200 megahertz genuine Intel motherboard and Pentium II MMX processor. Also, I am using LM 8.2. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Marcia Simms Dimms don't mix. You have to use one or the other. so populate your Dimms slots, but remove the SIMMS in place already. Or vice versa. -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Marcia wrote: On Wednesday 12 June 2002 12:26 pm, you wrote: I knew that you are not supposed to mix different kinds of memory so my plan was to take out the simms and put in two 256 megs of sdram dimm ram into the dimm 168 pin slots. I thought that might work for getting my much desired 512 megs of ram. Will this make a big difference for my speed given the processor info above? Thanks for the great thoughts and suggestions. Marcia I'll be honest say that *as a guess* one of two things will happen with your desired 512 mb's of ram: a) the comp will puke refuse to boot. or b) the comp will boot fine, and you'll be happy. General Vague I know but i've had some experience with 200mz Pentiums. I've found in general that is the case. In one case I had ot remove one of the simms (or was it a dimm?) because I knew that although the memory was good, the BIOS wouldn't go higher than 256Mb of Ram. NO matter what I did, it just threw up gave plaintive little beeps :( -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I mentioned lately that I have upgraded with simms EDO 72 pin memory to 128 megs of ram. To my surprise when I opened my box I found 2 empty dimm 168 pin slots. Does this mean that I could upgrade to 512 megs of ram using the 168 You might be able to add more RAM. It depends on your motherboard, and you should consult the manufacturer's manual to be sure. There can be problems mixing different types and speeds of RAM, and it might be an either/or situation with respect to simms vs. dimms in that particular motherboard. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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usually on motherboards that had edo slots and sdram slots, you have to use one or the other.. what I mean is that banks 0 and 1 (or 1 and 2 depending on how they are numbered) of the edo corraspond to slot 0 (or 1) of the sdram, ditto for the others... you can't usually fill all the slots, and even if you could, the memory would run as slow as the slowest piece in there.. (the edo in this case.) also, just because you have sdram slots doesn't mean you can wack two 256mb dimms in there, it also depends if the bios of the motherboard will except or recognise them.. I have come accross many motherboards over the years that wouldn't take a 64mb dimm and recognise it. it would either not run, or it would recognise the 64 as a 16mb. check out the motherboard manufacturers web site and see if there is a bios upgrade and what it adds to the system. but good luck with whatever you do. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2002 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Upgrading memory Dear All, I mentioned lately that I have upgraded with simms EDO 72 pin memory to 128 megs of ram. To my surprise when I opened my box I found 2 empty dimm 168 pin slots. Does this mean that I could upgrade to 512 megs of ram using the 168 pin dimm sdram memory modules? I certainly would prefer that to a new computer or upgrading the motherboard/cpu. I have a 200 megahertz genuine Intel motherboard and Pentium II MMX processor. Also, I am using LM 8.2. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Tuesday 30 April 2002 07:33 pm, you wrote: snip On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Charlie wrote: damn! now _THAT_ is some RAM stuffed in that box. ~~~ Yeah, I had one of those weird impulses back when memory was cheap. After the night I've had (and a large part of the day yesterday as well) I think the next thing that performs aggravated assault on my pocket will be a graphics card. I can't get the old clunker to admit anything but 'make and model' (Creative Graphics Blaster Riva TNT 16 MB) to 'Drake. XF86Config-4 keeps claiming it only has 4 MB of memory. Resembles something a dog would turn it's hindquarters on. It started when I installed the NVidia drivers. The next time I dropped to the console to fiddle it locked up on loading GLX; and then kdeinit was suicidal no matter what I tried to edit. Thank all of the people that nagged me about back-ups until it became a habit. After almost 6 hours of chasing gremlins, I just reinstalled (twice 'cause I had to reformat everything to get back to the GUI) from one of the archive disks (2 60 GB Maxtors) and merged everything. -- Charlie in Edmonton, AB, Canada Mandrake 8.2 user 244963 at http://counter.li.org 6:49am up 2:23, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Charlie wrote: On Tuesday 30 April 2002 07:33 pm, you wrote: snip On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Charlie wrote: damn! now _THAT_ is some RAM stuffed in that box. ~~~ Yeah, I had one of those weird impulses back when memory was cheap. After the night I've had (and a large part of the day yesterday as well) I think the next thing that performs aggravated assault on my pocket will be a graphics card. I can't get the old clunker to admit anything but 'make and model' (Creative Graphics Blaster Riva TNT 16 MB) to 'Drake. XF86Config-4 keeps claiming it only has 4 MB of memory. Resembles something a dog would turn it's hindquarters on. It started when I installed the NVidia drivers. The next time I dropped to the console to fiddle it locked up on loading GLX; and then kdeinit was suicidal no matter what I tried to edit. Thank all of the people that nagged me about back-ups until it became a habit. After almost 6 hours of chasing gremlins, I just reinstalled (twice 'cause I had to reformat everything to get back to the GUI) from one of the archive disks (2 60 GB Maxtors) and merged everything. -- Charlie in Edmonton, AB, Canada Mandrake 8.2 user 244963 at http://counter.li.org 6:49am up 2:23, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 hey Luv. If that cards a PCI one... I can give you another in trade? An AGP ATI one :) Its a 16 MB card but you're welcome to it in trade. I really need a PCI card for dual monitors. And the one i have *an S3 savage* won't work. :( Thx! -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory
On Tuesday 30 April 2002 11:05 am, Jim Dawson sent the following: I just upgraded my computer from 256MB to 512MB. Is there anything I need to do to optimize the computer for the additional memory? My swap partition is currently 256MB. Thanks in advance. ~~~ Yeah Jim. Enjoy the lower noise levels of a hard drive that won't read nearly as often. When I went to 512 MB (I was also installing MDK 8.1 at the same time) the swap file was 400 MB but it was hardly used at all unless I was running a few more than the usual XMMS, K-Mail, Mozilla, and whatever desktop toys happened to be running. When I upgraded to 8.2 I didn't touch the swap. It's still at 400 MB, but there's a full 1 GB (4x256 MB PC 133) of SDRAM for it to play with. No worries at all. Have fun! -- Charlie in Edmonton, AB, Canada Mandrake 8.2 user 244963 at: http://counter.li.org 11:26am up 22:26, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.07, 0.06 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory
Jim Dawson wrote: I just upgraded my computer from 256MB to 512MB. Is there anything I need to do to optimize the computer for the additional memory? My swap partition is currently 256MB. Well, since some computers require that the amount of memory be specified during installation / startup of Linux, I imagine some computers will require that line be changed to specify the new amount of memory, but I really don't know, and I don't know whether some computer that didn't require it at the initial installation might require it now. Try: less /proc/meminfo and confirm that it shows something around 512 kb of memory. If it doesn't get back to the list -- maybe someone else can tell you how to fix it. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Charlie wrote: On Tuesday 30 April 2002 11:05 am, Jim Dawson sent the following: I just upgraded my computer from 256MB to 512MB. Is there anything I need to do to optimize the computer for the additional memory? My swap partition is currently 256MB. Thanks in advance. ~~~ Yeah Jim. Enjoy the lower noise levels of a hard drive that won't read nearly as often. When I went to 512 MB (I was also installing MDK 8.1 at the same time) the swap file was 400 MB but it was hardly used at all unless I was running a few more than the usual XMMS, K-Mail, Mozilla, and whatever desktop toys happened to be running. When I upgraded to 8.2 I didn't touch the swap. It's still at 400 MB, but there's a full 1 GB (4x256 MB PC 133) of SDRAM for it to play with. No worries at all. Have fun! damn! now _THAT_ is some RAM stuffed in that box. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
