Re: Computer Browser service
I have 3 Browse Masters. The DC and the two DC's that share the login load. I use IP-Helper addresses in the Routers for each of the member servers on the network. The 3 Browse Masters also host DNS and WINS for the network. Is this a bad setup? - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: RE: Computer Browser service edit to add: Saw previous response, and yes, *if* you need to maintain a browse list, you need at least one browser service running per LAN segment/subnet -- From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Computer Browser service for clarification, the broswer service maintains the 'browse list', and the machine *chosen* as 'master browser' by autonomous election is supposed to work based on heirarchy of OS version and then performance response... the browser service on a client has NOTHING to do with a client's ability to access the browse list. And VLAN-ing should have no bearing on needing or not needing the browse list. -- From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Computer Browser service Thanks for all the replies, This would go without saying that Windows 2000 and later *servers* that are domain members can get away with the browser service being off as well, yes? Does VLAN-ing have any effect here? From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Computer Browser service You using AD clients on these boxen ? As long as they don't need the old WINS/NT4 domain logins and Netbios objects you're good, and I don't think that GPO has *any* effect on them __ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ?
Thanks ... When I say clone, I mean basically 'Ghost' ... Not a sector/track/cylinder match exactly, and actually a way to copy an older drive to a newer drive that could be larger, without a separate 'partition magic' type activity after cloning... And although ghost/acronis might work, key in the question was 'freeware' ... -Original Message- From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? JLC Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:31:10 -0600 JLC From: Joseph L. Casale JLC I wanted to say that too, but that complicates things drastically JLC if the drives are not the same, Google: gparted-livecd systemrescuecd-x86 JLC its also *very* slow as dupes the drive byte-by-byte. Totally false. I've moved 20 MB/sec over USB 2.0, and far better with internal drives. # for 128 kB blocks: dd if=/dev/WHATEVER_X of=/dev/WHATEVER_Y bs=131072 JLC If you need the flexibility to restore to different drives, you JLC could use ghost/acronis etc. See above ISO images. :-) (FWIW, when I hear clone, I think identical.) Eddy -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Need opinion on Blade Servers
Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
My opinion only... Blades are overkill for you situation. If the guy in charge wants expansion options, then look into virtualization. It sounds like you've got more than enough (physical) horsepower. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers
the backplane can be a nasty single point of failure as well On 22/04/2008, Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion only… Blades are overkill for you situation. If the guy in charge wants expansion options, then look into virtualization. It sounds like you've got more than enough (physical) horsepower. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook -- *From:* Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Clayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://alsipius.com ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Right now, from what you describe, I don't see any value benefit with the Blade Technology, since you aren't going to load the Blade to capacity or at least ½ capacity, you aren't really getting a return on investment ( Blades can be quiet expensive also) If your server system is adequate for 20 people, then, spending more money with the blade and the time to migrate probably isn't going to be the best move. I would definitely have you re-think your plan about putting the servers in your cubicle. What happens if someone wants to lift your server from your unsecured cubicle and now your data and server are in the hands of an unauthorized party and you are SOL. Your server should be in a temperature controlled locked room with adequate physical controls, and limited access. I hope you all aren't under Sarbanes or PCI compliance at your company, I fear you might be heading down a bad road with this if you get audited. Just my 2 cents, Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I have check into virtualization with our software vendor and they don't support it, yet. I understand that it is coming, though I don't know how long it will take. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers My opinion only. Blades are overkill for you situation. If the guy in charge wants expansion options, then look into virtualization. It sounds like you've got more than enough (physical) horsepower. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers
FWIW, I don't know the software you have concerns about but I have a software package on a Windows 2000 OS server that I migrated to a virtual server. Trust me on this old Library card catalog software is not very good to begin with but running it in a virtual environment is much better than in the physical environment. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Sharie Breaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *I have check into virtualization with our software vendor and they don't support it, yet. I understand that it is coming, though I don't know how long it will take.* ** *Sharie* -- *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:54 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers My opinion only… Blades are overkill for you situation. If the guy in charge wants expansion options, then look into virtualization. It sounds like you've got more than enough (physical) horsepower. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook -- *From:* Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I agree with your totally, but they have never in the 15 years I have work at this company had a locked room for the servers. They are in my cubicle now, but before that they were in the common work area where the copier, printer etc. We are independent advisors that manage investments for high net work individuals along with some corporate plans. The assets, though, are held at a custodian like Schwab or Fidelity. We just went through an SEC audit, but luckily nothing was said about the fact that the servers were in my cubicle. _ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Right now, from what you describe, I dont see any value benefit with the Blade Technology, since you arent going to load the Blade to capacity or at least ½ capacity, you arent really getting a return on investment ( Blades can be quiet expensive also) If your server system is adequate for 20 people, then, spending more money with the blade and the time to migrate probably isnt going to be the best move. I would definitely have you re-think your plan about putting the servers in your cubicle. What happens if someone wants to lift your server from your unsecured cubicle and now your data and server are in the hands of an unauthorized party and you are SOL. Your server should be in a temperature controlled locked room with adequate physical controls, and limited access. I hope you all arent under Sarbanes or PCI compliance at your company, I fear you might be heading down a bad road with this if you get audited. Just my 2 cents, Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
It is Advent Software's Axys 3.5.1. Software for keeping track of investments. _ From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers FWIW, I don't know the software you have concerns about but I have a software package on a Windows 2000 OS server that I migrated to a virtual server. Trust me on this old Library card catalog software is not very good to begin with but running it in a virtual environment is much better than in the physical environment. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Sharie Breaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have check into virtualization with our software vendor and they don't support it, yet. I understand that it is coming, though I don't know how long it will take. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers My opinion only. Blades are overkill for you situation. If the guy in charge wants expansion options, then look into virtualization. It sounds like you've got more than enough (physical) horsepower. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I agree Blades are overkill for your environment. Virtualization makes since if you want to consolidate servers and have a number of boxes with low resource utilization, however, It sounds like you have a small number of physical servers. I would stick with a small number of 1 or 2 U boxes which should have adequate horsepower. When you add a virtualization product such as VMware you not only have license cost, server cost, but also must have the network infrastructure to support it. To use many of the features of ESX you are going to need Gigabit switches and setting up Vlans. So if you are not familiar with VMware or virtualization you are going to have to add training cost as well. Mike _ From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers I have check into virtualization with our software vendor and they don't support it, yet. I understand that it is coming, though I don't know how long it will take. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers My opinion only. Blades are overkill for you situation. If the guy in charge wants expansion options, then look into virtualization. It sounds like you've got more than enough (physical) horsepower. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Electronic Fax service recommendations
We currently use Venali at one of our hospitals going on over a year. We've had many issues with them, including Venail's virus outbreak downing their servers, a great deal of infrastructure outage causing our faxes to queue for more than 8 hours, and the apologetic email from the president of the company every 3-4 months. I can say we never have had a billing issue, but I felt a response was necessary to refute the perception of very reliable. Count yourself lucky, Tim. Doctors are unforgiving._Jonathan MerrillMCP, CCA, NET+Information Technologywww.gomerrill.com_ Subject: RE: Electronic Fax service recommendationsDate: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:55:06 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com We use Venali – www.venali.com. Very reliable, never had any problems once we got the billings straightened out. …Tim From: Michael A. Berryman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:48 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Electronic Fax service recommendations Folks,I have been asked to cost out moving to a electonic fax option for our office. We have 25 employees, a non-profit organization, and deal with loan files, so we sometimes send/receive multiple page faxes per day. Anyway, anyone using a particular efax service that they would recommend or have any advice for me?Thanks,Mike ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I personally would think that most of the add-on extras that ESX would be over kill for this. I would think she could do all of it in the free either VMWare server or Microsoft Virtual Server. I know that Andy and Edward would know better about this than me. I know I have run SQL in a virtual enviornment but that a lot of that ability is in the enviornment I am in. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Mike Semon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Blades are overkill for your environment. Virtualization makes since if you want to consolidate servers and have a number of boxes with low resource utilization, however, It sounds like you have a small number of physical servers. I would stick with a small number of 1 or 2 U boxes which should have adequate horsepower. When you add a virtualization product such as VMware you not only have license cost, server cost, but also must have the network infrastructure to support it. To use many of the features of ESX you are going to need Gigabit switches and setting up Vlans. So if you are not familiar with VMware or virtualization you are going to have to add training cost as well. Mike -- *From:* Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:56 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers *I have check into virtualization with our software vendor and they don't support it, yet. I understand that it is coming, though I don't know how long it will take.* *Sharie* -- *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:54 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers My opinion only… Blades are overkill for you situation. If the guy in charge wants expansion options, then look into virtualization. It sounds like you've got more than enough (physical) horsepower. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook -- *From:* Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
SEC isn't going to tell you about physical secure/data access protection. Since you are working financials, you probably fall somewhere under Sarbanes Oxley, only a Auditor will be able to ascertain where you might be in or out of compliance, but I would definitely say the physical security plan for you data is lacking, and when you don't have physical control of your servers anymore, then they aren't your servers, and if they aren't your servers then the data on them isn't yours anymore and if you are managing investments, for high Net, Worth individuals, I think those individuals probably, if they knew wouldn't be too happy that there personal information or even systems that its being transacted on by a 3rd party company is not being held in a secure responsible manner definitely could lead you into some hot water. I would definitely, start to CYA on this front, before it might bite you in the butt. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers I agree with your totally, but they have never in the 15 years I have work at this company had a locked room for the servers. They are in my cubicle now, but before that they were in the common work area where the copier, printer etc. We are independent advisors that manage investments for high net work individuals along with some corporate plans. The assets, though, are held at a custodian like Schwab or Fidelity. We just went through an SEC audit, but luckily nothing was said about the fact that the servers were in my cubicle. From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Right now, from what you describe, I don't see any value benefit with the Blade Technology, since you aren't going to load the Blade to capacity or at least ½ capacity, you aren't really getting a return on investment ( Blades can be quiet expensive also) If your server system is adequate for 20 people, then, spending more money with the blade and the time to migrate probably isn't going to be the best move. I would definitely have you re-think your plan about putting the servers in your cubicle. What happens if someone wants to lift your server from your unsecured cubicle and now your data and server are in the hands of an unauthorized party and you are SOL. Your server should be in a temperature controlled locked room with adequate physical controls, and limited access. I hope you all aren't under Sarbanes or PCI compliance at your company, I fear you might be heading down a bad road with this if you get audited. Just my 2 cents, Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Not to mention that you might want to take a look at the actual power consumption and BTU output of blade enclosures. You may be surprised how much heat they actually put out. Those things can run up to 8 or 14 or so servers. So when you buy the chassis, it is built to support that many systems. Also unless you have a SAN, you are limited to the amount or drives you have on a blade. Usually 2 per blade but some of the higher end ones have 4. I have a Blade system and it's the bomb. Built in switch, KVM, web management of the servers if they are offline, easy expandability. Rocks. BUT, it uses a boatload of power (230v) and it puts out a ton of heat. And I only have 3 blades in it. I'm with Andy. If your company is willing to fork out the big bucks which it sounds like they are, get a nice server with dual procs, lots and lots of memory, and run ESX. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers My opinion only. Blades are overkill for you situation. If the guy in charge wants expansion options, then look into virtualization. It sounds like you've got more than enough (physical) horsepower. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Shutting Down Networks
Our district is in a situation where massive budget cuts are necessary. One of the things upper management wants to do is to put everyone on a 4-day work week for the two months that school is out for summer. They envision shutting everything off--including air conditioning--on Thursdays and leaving it off until Monday mornings. Each school has one server which is a jack-of-all trades--DC, file, DNS, DHCP. One site also has a second file/application server. Server rooms and IDFs aren't on separate cooling systems, so they would be affected by this. And also, this is Florida. Our NOC, which has its own A/C system, will remain cooled. My first reaction was that of course the servers would need to be shut down on Thursdays and staff off until Monday mornings. The more I thought about it, I came to feel like the switches in all of the IDFs will need to be shut down, too, due to heat and humidity. So that means all servers and all switches at all schools would be shutdown Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, then brought back up on Monday mornings. I'm looking for input on the ramifications of this. Obviously, it will take some time for everything to come back up on Mondays. And while it shouldn't be so, the reality is that any time you shut down a piece of equipment there's a chance that it won't come back up or will come up with a problem. Is there anything else I need to consider? Like any problems that may come from DCs being offline for extended periods of time? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I think virtualization of any kind for this project would be overkill. I don't use VMware Server in production. VMware server like other hosted virtualization solutions does not scale like those that utilize hyper-visor technology. Hosted virtualization products also have higher virtualization overhead so loose some of the advantages of virtualization. Good in test and dev environments but not something I would unleash in production environment. _ From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Shutting Down Networks
I don't think it would be that big a deal, as long as backups are good and you shut down/bring back up in the needed order. The only thing I can think of is I would have all my FSMO roles in your NOC. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Shutting Down Networks Our district is in a situation where massive budget cuts are necessary. One of the things upper management wants to do is to put everyone on a 4-day work week for the two months that school is out for summer. They envision shutting everything off--including air conditioning--on Thursdays and leaving it off until Monday mornings. Each school has one server which is a jack-of-all trades--DC, file, DNS, DHCP. One site also has a second file/application server. Server rooms and IDFs aren't on separate cooling systems, so they would be affected by this. And also, this is Florida. Our NOC, which has its own A/C system, will remain cooled. My first reaction was that of course the servers would need to be shut down on Thursdays and staff off until Monday mornings. The more I thought about it, I came to feel like the switches in all of the IDFs will need to be shut down, too, due to heat and humidity. So that means all servers and all switches at all schools would be shutdown Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, then brought back up on Monday mornings. I'm looking for input on the ramifications of this. Obviously, it will take some time for everything to come back up on Mondays. And while it shouldn't be so, the reality is that any time you shut down a piece of equipment there's a chance that it won't come back up or will come up with a problem. Is there anything else I need to consider? Like any problems that may come from DCs being offline for extended periods of time? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Shutting Down Networks
I have not had that issue and have had my second DC offline for 3 days at a time BUT I don't do it on a regular basis. I put in a small room AC that is a stand-alone in room I got over at Lowe's to cool one of the server rooms. It works well even here in Florida. I would if at all possible set it to vent outside if you can otherwise the humidity will build up in the room or you will have a puddle on the floor every Monday. We are waiting on our budget but have been told to expect 15% off the top is now gone. This was in addition to the 10% that disappeared last year. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:24 AM, John Hornbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our district is in a situation where massive budget cuts are necessary. One of the things upper management wants to do is to put everyone on a 4-day work week for the two months that school is out for summer. They envision shutting everything off--including air conditioning--on Thursdays and leaving it off until Monday mornings. Each school has one server which is a jack-of-all trades--DC, file, DNS, DHCP. One site also has a second file/application server. Server rooms and IDFs aren't on separate cooling systems, so they would be affected by this. And also, this is Florida. Our NOC, which has its own A/C system, will remain cooled. My first reaction was that of course the servers would need to be shut down on Thursdays and staff off until Monday mornings. The more I thought about it, I came to feel like the switches in all of the IDFs will need to be shut down, too, due to heat and humidity. So that means all servers and all switches at all schools would be shutdown Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, then brought back up on Monday mornings. I'm looking for input on the ramifications of this. Obviously, it will take some time for everything to come back up on Mondays. And while it shouldn't be so, the reality is that any time you shut down a piece of equipment there's a chance that it won't come back up or will come up with a problem. Is there anything else I need to consider? Like any problems that may come from DCs being offline for extended periods of time? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Shutting Down Networks
We're okay there--the FSMO roles are on a server in the NOC now. John -Original Message- From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Shutting Down Networks I don't think it would be that big a deal, as long as backups are good and you shut down/bring back up in the needed order. The only thing I can think of is I would have all my FSMO roles in your NOC. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Shutting Down Networks Our district is in a situation where massive budget cuts are necessary. One of the things upper management wants to do is to put everyone on a 4-day work week for the two months that school is out for summer. They envision shutting everything off--including air conditioning--on Thursdays and leaving it off until Monday mornings. Each school has one server which is a jack-of-all trades--DC, file, DNS, DHCP. One site also has a second file/application server. Server rooms and IDFs aren't on separate cooling systems, so they would be affected by this. And also, this is Florida. Our NOC, which has its own A/C system, will remain cooled. My first reaction was that of course the servers would need to be shut down on Thursdays and staff off until Monday mornings. The more I thought about it, I came to feel like the switches in all of the IDFs will need to be shut down, too, due to heat and humidity. So that means all servers and all switches at all schools would be shutdown Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, then brought back up on Monday mornings. I'm looking for input on the ramifications of this. Obviously, it will take some time for everything to come back up on Mondays. And while it shouldn't be so, the reality is that any time you shut down a piece of equipment there's a chance that it won't come back up or will come up with a problem. Is there anything else I need to consider? Like any problems that may come from DCs being offline for extended periods of time? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Some of us have little or no choice in the matter but is she can get the big bucks and training then I would go for it as well but $5k just to run 3 or maybe 4 virtual machines it a lot and that does not even include the cost of training, just the ESX software. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Mike Semon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think virtualization of any kind for this project would be overkill. I don't use VMware Server in production. VMware server like other hosted virtualization solutions does not scale like those that utilize hyper-visor technology. Hosted virtualization products also have higher virtualization overhead so loose some of the advantages of virtualization. Good in test and dev environments but not something I would unleash in production environment. -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Shutting Down Networks
I thought about the standalone A/C units, and maybe putting them in the server rooms. But some of the rooms are pretty large, and so would require a big unit. And depending on the cost of the units, the amount by which this could offset the savings that come from shutting off the A/C might make it not worthwhile. And I'd still need to shut off the switches in the IDFs. How do you go about calculating the savings from a move like this, anyhow? From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Shutting Down Networks I have not had that issue and have had my second DC offline for 3 days at a time BUT I don't do it on a regular basis. I put in a small room AC that is a stand-alone in room I got over at Lowe's to cool one of the server rooms. It works well even here in Florida. I would if at all possible set it to vent outside if you can otherwise the humidity will build up in the room or you will have a puddle on the floor every Monday. We are waiting on our budget but have been told to expect 15% off the top is now gone. This was in addition to the 10% that disappeared last year. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:24 AM, John Hornbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our district is in a situation where massive budget cuts are necessary. One of the things upper management wants to do is to put everyone on a 4-day work week for the two months that school is out for summer. They envision shutting everything off--including air conditioning--on Thursdays and leaving it off until Monday mornings. Each school has one server which is a jack-of-all trades--DC, file, DNS, DHCP. One site also has a second file/application server. Server rooms and IDFs aren't on separate cooling systems, so they would be affected by this. And also, this is Florida. Our NOC, which has its own A/C system, will remain cooled. My first reaction was that of course the servers would need to be shut down on Thursdays and staff off until Monday mornings. The more I thought about it, I came to feel like the switches in all of the IDFs will need to be shut down, too, due to heat and humidity. So that means all servers and all switches at all schools would be shutdown Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, then brought back up on Monday mornings. I'm looking for input on the ramifications of this. Obviously, it will take some time for everything to come back up on Mondays. And while it shouldn't be so, the reality is that any time you shut down a piece of equipment there's a chance that it won't come back up or will come up with a problem. Is there anything else I need to consider? Like any problems that may come from DCs being offline for extended periods of time? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us/ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
It is not just the cost of the 3 server ESX license to consider. Also, have to look at shared storage either Fibre Channel SAN, iSCSI SAN, or NAS. In addition, with ESX you will want the add on features for high availability such as HA, DRS, and VMotion. Also have to plan backup solution to do virtual machine and file level backups which you can use VCB. _ From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers At the price a 3 server ESX license can be got for now, (less than the price of a mid range server), it makes a lot of sense to go the ESX route. Learning curve is not that steep. I had my first up running in 25 minutes... My 2c S From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers I personally would think that most of the add-on extras that ESX would be over kill for this. I would think she could do all of it in the free either VMWare server or Microsoft Virtual Server. I know that Andy and Edward would know better about this than me. I know I have run SQL in a virtual enviornment but that a lot of that ability is in the enviornment I am in. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Mike Semon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Blades are overkill for your environment. Virtualization makes since if you want to consolidate servers and have a number of boxes with low resource utilization, however, It sounds like you have a small number of physical servers. I would stick with a small number of 1 or 2 U boxes which should have adequate horsepower. When you add a virtualization product such as VMware you not only have license cost, server cost, but also must have the network infrastructure to support it. To use many of the features of ESX you are going to need Gigabit switches and setting up Vlans. So if you are not familiar with VMware or virtualization you are going to have to add training cost as well. Mike _ From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers I have check into virtualization with our software vendor and they don't support it, yet. I understand that it is coming, though I don't know how long it will take. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers My opinion only. Blades are overkill for you situation. If the guy in charge wants expansion options, then look into virtualization. It sounds like you've got more than enough (physical) horsepower. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Where you get 5K from? Nearer 3 From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers Some of us have little or no choice in the matter but is she can get the big bucks and training then I would go for it as well but $5k just to run 3 or maybe 4 virtual machines it a lot and that does not even include the cost of training, just the ESX software. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Mike Semon [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think virtualization of any kind for this project would be overkill. I don't use VMware Server in production. VMware server like other hosted virtualization solutions does not scale like those that utilize hyper-visor technology. Hosted virtualization products also have higher virtualization overhead so loose some of the advantages of virtualization. Good in test and dev environments but not something I would unleash in production environment. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Shutting Down Networks
Ours is a ~2 ton unit cooling a lot more than just the server, telephone, and network gear. There is a water heater, ice maker, and UPS's but it does a good job. Cost was about $500 and that even include part of the 3 year warranty extension. The room is about 20 by 20 feet with drop ceilings that are about 12 foot high. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:38 AM, John Hornbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought about the standalone A/C units, and maybe putting them in the server rooms. But some of the rooms are pretty large, and so would require a big unit. And depending on the cost of the units, the amount by which this could offset the savings that come from shutting off the A/C might make it not worthwhile. And I'd still need to shut off the switches in the IDFs. How do you go about calculating the savings from a move like this, anyhow? *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:34 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Shutting Down Networks I have not had that issue and have had my second DC offline for 3 days at a time BUT I don't do it on a regular basis. I put in a small room AC that is a stand-alone in room I got over at Lowe's to cool one of the server rooms. It works well even here in Florida. I would if at all possible set it to vent outside if you can otherwise the humidity will build up in the room or you will have a puddle on the floor every Monday. We are waiting on our budget but have been told to expect 15% off the top is now gone. This was in addition to the 10% that disappeared last year. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:24 AM, John Hornbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our district is in a situation where massive budget cuts are necessary. One of the things upper management wants to do is to put everyone on a 4-day work week for the two months that school is out for summer. They envision shutting everything off--including air conditioning--on Thursdays and leaving it off until Monday mornings. Each school has one server which is a jack-of-all trades--DC, file, DNS, DHCP. One site also has a second file/application server. Server rooms and IDFs aren't on separate cooling systems, so they would be affected by this. And also, this is Florida. Our NOC, which has its own A/C system, will remain cooled. My first reaction was that of course the servers would need to be shut down on Thursdays and staff off until Monday mornings. The more I thought about it, I came to feel like the switches in all of the IDFs will need to be shut down, too, due to heat and humidity. So that means all servers and all switches at all schools would be shutdown Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, then brought back up on Monday mornings. I'm looking for input on the ramifications of this. Obviously, it will take some time for everything to come back up on Mondays. And while it shouldn't be so, the reality is that any time you shut down a piece of equipment there's a chance that it won't come back up or will come up with a problem. Is there anything else I need to consider? Like any problems that may come from DCs being offline for extended periods of time? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Well, if you take the total cost of 4 reasonably beefy servers to be around $24K then it's a no brainer. 2 1u servers 12K ESX License $3K - 6K Reasonable iSCSI SAN 5K Save a grand IMHO, in a small shop and replacing 4 physical with virtual, VMotion isn't as critical, certainly usefull tho' From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It is not just the cost of the 3 server ESX license to consider. Also, have to look at shared storage either Fibre Channel SAN, iSCSI SAN, or NAS. In addition, with ESX you will want the add on features for high availability such as HA, DRS, and VMotion. Also have to plan backup solution to do virtual machine and file level backups which you can use VCB. From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers At the price a 3 server ESX license can be got for now, (less than the price of a mid range server), it makes a lot of sense to go the ESX route. Learning curve is not that steep. I had my first up running in 25 minutes... My 2c S From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers I personally would think that most of the add-on extras that ESX would be over kill for this. I would think she could do all of it in the free either VMWare server or Microsoft Virtual Server. I know that Andy and Edward would know better about this than me. I know I have run SQL in a virtual enviornment but that a lot of that ability is in the enviornment I am in. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Mike Semon [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Blades are overkill for your environment. Virtualization makes since if you want to consolidate servers and have a number of boxes with low resource utilization, however, It sounds like you have a small number of physical servers. I would stick with a small number of 1 or 2 U boxes which should have adequate horsepower. When you add a virtualization product such as VMware you not only have license cost, server cost, but also must have the network infrastructure to support it. To use many of the features of ESX you are going to need Gigabit switches and setting up Vlans. So if you are not familiar with VMware or virtualization you are going to have to add training cost as well. Mike From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers I have check into virtualization with our software vendor and they don't support it, yet. I understand that it is coming, though I don't know how long it will take. Sharie From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers My opinion only... Blades are overkill for you situation. If the guy in charge wants expansion options, then look into virtualization. It sounds like you've got more than enough (physical) horsepower. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL
Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers
That was the quote I got from VMWare 2 years ago. I figured it would still be close I am suprised it has dropped that much. Here anything over the cost of the hardware is considered excessive. I have been begging for a new physical server to back up what we have now and the $15K I have asked for has been turned down out of hand. That would replace 3 physical boxes and allow what I have already virtualized to be shared/moved to a beefer box. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, NTSysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where you get 5K from? Nearer 3 *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers Some of us have little or no choice in the matter but is she can get the big bucks and training then I would go for it as well but $5k just to run 3 or maybe 4 virtual machines it a lot and that does not even include the cost of training, just the ESX software. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Mike Semon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think virtualization of any kind for this project would be overkill. I don't use VMware Server in production. VMware server like other hosted virtualization solutions does not scale like those that utilize hyper-visor technology. Hosted virtualization products also have higher virtualization overhead so loose some of the advantages of virtualization. Good in test and dev environments but not something I would unleash in production environment. -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Sharie, how many servers do you need? What systems will you be running here? Do you need AD? Exchange? From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Why isn't it supported? I'm with Shook and most of the other folks. Microsoft's virtualization software (both server and PC) are free and the learning curve is not very steep at all. I built a complete network (DC ,member server, Vista and XP systems) with Virtual PC on desktop hardware (a single GX270 )with 4GB in no more time that it takes to normal create those systems. I also have VMWare workstation...pretty similar stuff, and the ability to go from physical to virtual (P2V) is stupidly easy and effective as well. A single fast box, full of redundant disk space and RAM will be cheaper than a blade center + blades. Also, once VM'd you can duplicate the entire network on desktop hardware and have a test environment for the price of the OS licenses. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
We only need one server at this point. The primary server that I will be buying needs Windows 2003 Server Std edition. Yes to AD and we already have an Exchange Server of which I will be taking with me as the other company is using something else for mail. The exchange server is only about 1-1/2 years old. The SQL server is the oldest, but they don't want to spend the money on that now because of all the other moving expenses - furniture, cubicles, etc. The backup server I will also be taking with me and it is only 1-1/2 years old. I felt that blade servers were overkill myself, but I needed some backup on this issue. Thanks everyone for the information. Anymore at any time will be greatly appreciated! _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Sharie, how many servers do you need? What systems will you be running here? Do you need AD? Exchange? From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I'm REALLY curious why your software doesn't support SBS - everything you listed has SBS written all over it... From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers We only need one server at this point. The primary server that I will be buying needs Windows 2003 Server Std edition. Yes to AD and we already have an Exchange Server of which I will be taking with me as the other company is using something else for mail. The exchange server is only about 1-1/2 years old. The SQL server is the oldest, but they don't want to spend the money on that now because of all the other moving expenses - furniture, cubicles, etc. The backup server I will also be taking with me and it is only 1-1/2 years old. I felt that blade servers were overkill myself, but I needed some backup on this issue. Thanks everyone for the information. Anymore at any time will be greatly appreciated! From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Sharie, how many servers do you need? What systems will you be running here? Do you need AD? Exchange? From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
They didn't say why it was not, but we pay big bucks for service and maintenance and I can't do something they don't support. I look forward to it in the future, though. Thanks for the info! _ From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Why isn't it supported? I'm with Shook and most of the other folks. Microsoft's virtualization software (both server and PC) are free and the learning curve is not very steep at all. I built a complete network (DC ,member server, Vista and XP systems) with Virtual PC on desktop hardware (a single GX270 )with 4GB in no more time that it takes to normal create those systems. I also have VMWare workstation.pretty similar stuff, and the ability to go from physical to virtual (P2V) is stupidly easy and effective as well. A single fast box, full of redundant disk space and RAM will be cheaper than a blade center + blades. Also, once VM'd you can duplicate the entire network on desktop hardware and have a test environment for the price of the OS licenses. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
When implementing ESX solutions I use a minimum of two ESX hosts and preferably three. This way if one of the hosts crashes or needs to be taken down for maintenance at least one other box is available. VMotion isn't critical, however, it makes management much easier being able to move Vm's between hosts. _ From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Well, if you take the total cost of 4 reasonably beefy servers to be around $24K then it's a no brainer. 2 1u servers 12K ESX License $3K - 6K Reasonable iSCSI SAN 5K Save a grand IMHO, in a small shop and replacing 4 physical with virtual, VMotion isn't as critical, certainly usefull tho' From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It is not just the cost of the 3 server ESX license to consider. Also, have to look at shared storage either Fibre Channel SAN, iSCSI SAN, or NAS. In addition, with ESX you will want the add on features for high availability such as HA, DRS, and VMotion. Also have to plan backup solution to do virtual machine and file level backups which you can use VCB. _ From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers At the price a 3 server ESX license can be got for now, (less than the price of a mid range server), it makes a lot of sense to go the ESX route. Learning curve is not that steep. I had my first up running in 25 minutes... My 2c S From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers I personally would think that most of the add-on extras that ESX would be over kill for this. I would think she could do all of it in the free either VMWare server or Microsoft Virtual Server. I know that Andy and Edward would know better about this than me. I know I have run SQL in a virtual enviornment but that a lot of that ability is in the enviornment I am in. Jon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Mike Semon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Blades are overkill for your environment. Virtualization makes since if you want to consolidate servers and have a number of boxes with low resource utilization, however, It sounds like you have a small number of physical servers. I would stick with a small number of 1 or 2 U boxes which should have adequate horsepower. When you add a virtualization product such as VMware you not only have license cost, server cost, but also must have the network infrastructure to support it. To use many of the features of ESX you are going to need Gigabit switches and setting up Vlans. So if you are not familiar with VMware or virtualization you are going to have to add training cost as well. Mike _ From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers I have check into virtualization with our software vendor and they don't support it, yet. I understand that it is coming, though I don't know how long it will take. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers My opinion only. Blades are overkill for you situation. If the guy in charge wants expansion options, then look into virtualization. It sounds like you've got more than enough (physical) horsepower. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered
RE: Electronic Fax service recommendations
I do remember the virus outbreak. Fortunately , that didn't affect us much at all. I guess I should add that we aren't heavy users (~500 faxes/month) but that sounded like the OP's situation too. Maybe we have been lucky, I'm not complaining because I don't get a lot of slack from my users either. ...Tim From: Jonathan Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Electronic Fax service recommendations We currently use Venali at one of our hospitals going on over a year. We've had many issues with them, including Venail's virus outbreak downing their servers, a great deal of infrastructure outage causing our faxes to queue for more than 8 hours, and the apologetic email from the president of the company every 3-4 months. I can say we never have had a billing issue, but I felt a response was necessary to refute the perception of very reliable. Count yourself lucky, Tim. Doctors are unforgiving. _ Jonathan Merrill MCP, CCA, NET+ Information Technology www.gomerrill.com http://www.gomerrill.com/ _ Subject: RE: Electronic Fax service recommendations Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:55:06 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com We use Venali - www.venali.com http://www.venali.com/ . Very reliable, never had any problems once we got the billings straightened out. ...Tim From: Michael A. Berryman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Electronic Fax service recommendations Folks, I have been asked to cost out moving to a electonic fax option for our office. We have 25 employees, a non-profit organization, and deal with loan files, so we sometimes send/receive multiple page faxes per day. Anyway, anyone using a particular efax service that they would recommend or have any advice for me? Thanks, Mike ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I have to disagree with you there Mike. Virtualization works will for production, dev and test environments. I have more virtual servers than actual physical servers. I have production SQL server applications (heavy I/O too) that run flawlessly in VMWare. I also have a production box with an inventory control application that the company said they didn't think would run on VMWare and it not only runs on VMWare, it runs better on VMWare than it ever did on a physical box. OK, stepping off my VMWare soapbox.. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Sharie Breaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *We only need one server at this point. The primary server that I will be buying needs Windows 2003 Server Std edition. Yes to AD and we already have an Exchange Server of which I will be taking with me as the other company is using something else for mail. The exchange server is only about 1-1/2 years old. The SQL server is the oldest, but they don't want to spend the money on that now because of all the other moving expenses - furniture, cubicles, etc. The backup server I will also be taking with me and it is only 1-1/2 years old. * ** *I felt that blade servers were overkill myself, but I needed some backup on this issue. Thanks everyone for the information. Anymore at any time will be greatly appreciated!* -- *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Sharie, how many servers do you need? What systems will you be running here? Do you need AD? Exchange? *From:* Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers *Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. * *Sharie* -- *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Bummer...stopped by the software vendor...what software is it? (I coulda swore you posted it already, but I can't find it). From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers They didn't say why it was not, but we pay big bucks for service and maintenance and I can't do something they don't support. I look forward to it in the future, though. Thanks for the info! From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Why isn't it supported? I'm with Shook and most of the other folks. Microsoft's virtualization software (both server and PC) are free and the learning curve is not very steep at all. I built a complete network (DC ,member server, Vista and XP systems) with Virtual PC on desktop hardware (a single GX270 )with 4GB in no more time that it takes to normal create those systems. I also have VMWare workstation...pretty similar stuff, and the ability to go from physical to virtual (P2V) is stupidly easy and effective as well. A single fast box, full of redundant disk space and RAM will be cheaper than a blade center + blades. Also, once VM'd you can duplicate the entire network on desktop hardware and have a test environment for the price of the OS licenses. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I had the same issue with our largest vendor. I asked them why not and they couldn't give me a good enough reason. We informed them that as we were moving to a totally virtual infrastructure with ESX, that we would have to change vendors. Lo and behold, same afternoon we received a call from our account manager informing us that there had been a breakdown in communication somewhere along the line and that they did support their application in a virtual environment. Go figure From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers They didn't say why it was not, but we pay big bucks for service and maintenance and I can't do something they don't support. I look forward to it in the future, though. Thanks for the info! From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Why isn't it supported? I'm with Shook and most of the other folks. Microsoft's virtualization software (both server and PC) are free and the learning curve is not very steep at all. I built a complete network (DC ,member server, Vista and XP systems) with Virtual PC on desktop hardware (a single GX270 )with 4GB in no more time that it takes to normal create those systems. I also have VMWare workstation...pretty similar stuff, and the ability to go from physical to virtual (P2V) is stupidly easy and effective as well. A single fast box, full of redundant disk space and RAM will be cheaper than a blade center + blades. Also, once VM'd you can duplicate the entire network on desktop hardware and have a test environment for the price of the OS licenses. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I know, but like everyone else they are moving towards enterprise class software and leaving the small business to fend for themselves. They also have a hosted software based on a SQL based environment, so I think that is going to be their small business answer. For example, our exchange server is Small Business server with Goodlink on it, and when Motorola bought Goodlink, they discontinued support for SBS . Next time we renew our contract with Verizon, we are going with Blackberrys and Blackberry Professional software. _ From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers I'm REALLY curious why your software doesn't support SBS - everything you listed has SBS written all over it. From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers We only need one server at this point. The primary server that I will be buying needs Windows 2003 Server Std edition. Yes to AD and we already have an Exchange Server of which I will be taking with me as the other company is using something else for mail. The exchange server is only about 1-1/2 years old. The SQL server is the oldest, but they don't want to spend the money on that now because of all the other moving expenses - furniture, cubicles, etc. The backup server I will also be taking with me and it is only 1-1/2 years old. I felt that blade servers were overkill myself, but I needed some backup on this issue. Thanks everyone for the information. Anymore at any time will be greatly appreciated! _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Sharie, how many servers do you need? What systems will you be running here? Do you need AD? Exchange? From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Advent's Axys 3.5.1 _ From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Bummer.stopped by the software vendor.what software is it? (I coulda swore you posted it already, but I can't find it). From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers They didn't say why it was not, but we pay big bucks for service and maintenance and I can't do something they don't support. I look forward to it in the future, though. Thanks for the info! _ From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Why isn't it supported? I'm with Shook and most of the other folks. Microsoft's virtualization software (both server and PC) are free and the learning curve is not very steep at all. I built a complete network (DC ,member server, Vista and XP systems) with Virtual PC on desktop hardware (a single GX270 )with 4GB in no more time that it takes to normal create those systems. I also have VMWare workstation.pretty similar stuff, and the ability to go from physical to virtual (P2V) is stupidly easy and effective as well. A single fast box, full of redundant disk space and RAM will be cheaper than a blade center + blades. Also, once VM'd you can duplicate the entire network on desktop hardware and have a test environment for the price of the OS licenses. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I have to disagree with you there Mike. Virtualization works will for production, dev and test environments. I have more virtual servers than actual physical servers. I have production SQL server applications (heavy I/O too) that run flawlessly in VMWare. I also have a production box with an inventory control application that the company said they didn't think would run on VMWare and it not only runs on VMWare, it runs better on VMWare than it ever did on a physical box. OK, stepping off my VMWare soapbox.. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Sharie Breaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We only need one server at this point. The primary server that I will be buying needs Windows 2003 Server Std edition. Yes to AD and we already have an Exchange Server of which I will be taking with me as the other company is using something else for mail. The exchange server is only about 1-1/2 years old. The SQL server is the oldest, but they don't want to spend the money on that now because of all the other moving expenses - furniture, cubicles, etc. The backup server I will also be taking with me and it is only 1-1/2 years old. I felt that blade servers were overkill myself, but I needed some backup on this issue. Thanks everyone for the information. Anymore at any time will be greatly appreciated! From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Sharie, how many servers do you need? What systems will you be running here? Do you need AD? Exchange? From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Adding to the VMware /Vmware ESX hat on. Yes we do use Dev test and production for Vmware ESX hosts on SQL, apps, File servers, Print servers, etc etc. Only thing I don't use it for is Exchange and DC's. I even have small/low end SQL databases on ESX hosts and they work fine. Also forgot that anything with Java in it, keep it away from ESX hosts, Java runs like a pig in ESX hosts, but fine on regular similarly sized hardware. (Seen about 20X issues across our farm with java and Vm not playing nice nice. ) /Vmware ESX hat Off Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Enterprise class.umSBS *IS* enterprise class, it's the same as 2K3 Server except licensing and wizards. Anything 2K3 server can do SBS 2K3 can (ok dunno about clustering...). Not to beat this to death, but I'd get clarification on why they don't support SBS - it doesn't make much sense since SBS is using the same core as 2K3 - it's not at all like a 2K3 Server SE Lite. My parting shot about SBS: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/evaluation/topmyths.mspx The page list was funny for me, I had a second DC and a member server in my SBS domain before I heard it wasn't possible. To me SBS is 2K3 Server / 2K3 Exchange at an unbeatable price for 75 users or less (also note #6 in that list), and adds wizards. Except for wizards you treat it like a normal domain... Anyhow, not my battle, just my thoughts J From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers They didn't say why it was not, but we pay big bucks for service and maintenance and I can't do something they don't support. I look forward to it in the future, though. Thanks for the info! From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Why isn't it supported? I'm with Shook and most of the other folks. Microsoft's virtualization software (both server and PC) are free and the learning curve is not very steep at all. I built a complete network (DC ,member server, Vista and XP systems) with Virtual PC on desktop hardware (a single GX270 )with 4GB in no more time that it takes to normal create those systems. I also have VMWare workstation...pretty similar stuff, and the ability to go from physical to virtual (P2V) is stupidly easy and effective as well. A single fast box, full of redundant disk space and RAM will be cheaper than a blade center + blades. Also, once VM'd you can duplicate the entire network on desktop hardware and have a test environment for the price of the OS licenses. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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And although ghost/acronis might work, key in the question was 'freeware' Diskpart can extend the partition if its smaller then the new drive, but if you are going from big -- small, that's tricky. Newer versions of diskpart can shrink, you could shrink the original partition before. I don't know any freeware version that can go from big to small, even g4u can't :( The live cd's usually have a Linux equivalent to diskpart that can shrink/extend but they arent as reliable on NTFS as diskpart. Let me know if you find something! jlc ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I only say this because I am a perfect example of it, but there is still a lot of fear around virtualization and it seems until you have done it or really seen it done, that fear persists. At my last employer I never would have considered it. Now that I am living with it, I wish I had done it there. From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers I have to disagree with you there Mike. Virtualization works will for production, dev and test environments. I have more virtual servers than actual physical servers. I have production SQL server applications (heavy I/O too) that run flawlessly in VMWare. I also have a production box with an inventory control application that the company said they didn't think would run on VMWare and it not only runs on VMWare, it runs better on VMWare than it ever did on a physical box. OK, stepping off my VMWare soapbox.. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Sharie Breaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We only need one server at this point. The primary server that I will be buying needs Windows 2003 Server Std edition. Yes to AD and we already have an Exchange Server of which I will be taking with me as the other company is using something else for mail. The exchange server is only about 1-1/2 years old. The SQL server is the oldest, but they don't want to spend the money on that now because of all the other moving expenses - furniture, cubicles, etc. The backup server I will also be taking with me and it is only 1-1/2 years old. I felt that blade servers were overkill myself, but I needed some backup on this issue. Thanks everyone for the information. Anymore at any time will be greatly appreciated! _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Sharie, how many servers do you need? What systems will you be running here? Do you need AD? Exchange? From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie _ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Adding to the VMware /Vmware ESX hat on. Yes we do use Dev test and production for Vmware ESX hosts on SQL, apps, File servers, Print servers, etc etc. Only thing I don't use it for is Exchange and DC's. I even have small/low end SQL databases on ESX hosts and they work fine. Also forgot that anything with Java in it, keep it away from ESX hosts, Java runs like a pig in ESX hosts, but fine on regular similarly sized hardware. (Seen about 20X issues across our farm with java and Vm not playing nice nice. ) /Vmware ESX hat Off Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Virtualization works well for production, Dev , and test, however, I use ESX Server for production not VMware Server. _ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Adding to the VMware /Vmware ESX hat on. Yes we do use Dev test and production for Vmware ESX hosts on SQL, apps, File servers, Print servers, etc etc. Only thing I don't use it for is Exchange and DC's. I even have small/low end SQL databases on ESX hosts and they work fine. Also forgot that anything with Java in it, keep it away from ESX hosts, Java runs like a pig in ESX hosts, but fine on regular similarly sized hardware. (Seen about 20X issues across our farm with java and Vm not playing nice nice. ) /Vmware ESX hat Off Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I've never used VMWare server, never said I did, we've used VMWare for a number of years, starting out with GSX, and now have a ESX server farm consisting of 12 servers, connected to an HP EVA San. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Mike Semon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Virtualization works well for production, Dev , and test, however, I use ESX Server for production not VMware Server. -- *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:29 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Adding to the VMware /Vmware ESX hat on. Yes we do use Dev test and production for Vmware ESX hosts on SQL, apps, File servers, Print servers, etc etc. Only thing I don't use it for is Exchange and DC's. I even have small/low end SQL databases on ESX hosts and they work fine. Also forgot that anything with Java in it, keep it away from ESX hosts, Java runs like a pig in ESX hosts, but fine on regular similarly sized hardware. (Seen about 20X issues across our farm with java and Vm not playing nice nice. ) /Vmware ESX hat Off Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:15 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: USB flashdrive recovery.
We've had some luck with the PC Inspector software. We've also messed around with taking off any of the plastic covers, but of course each situation is different. Carl Houseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/21/2008 9:09 PM Do you hear the USB chime when you connect or disconnect the device? If you said NO, your procedure is: 1. Pick up USB drive 2. Deposit in trash can A bad slot incident with that result is electrical damage and beyond conventional corrupt data recovery techniques. Carl From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lenny Bensman Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: USB flashdrive recovery. Good PM, A classmate of mine inserted his USB drive key into a bad slot and since then none of the computers can see the drive when inserted. I wanted to attempt recovery (we have some documents on it for class project for which we don't have a second copy). I wanted to attempt to try and recover the data on his drive, but never really tried to recover USB flash drives; only regular harddrives. What utility(-ies) and procedures would you recommend to use to attempt to recover the contents. He pretty much said his good-byes and paid his respects to the contents, so professional recovery is out of scope. This one is more of a freebie bonus if I can manage to recover it for him. Thanks, Lenny ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Blade servers are the way to go in terms of space and cost and also for future enhancements and go virtualization. M - Original Message From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59:24 AM Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Why isn’t it supported? I’m with Shook and most of the other folks. Microsoft’s virtualization software (both server and PC) are free and the learning curve is not very steep at all. I built a complete network (DC ,member server, Vista and XP systems) with Virtual PC on desktop hardware (a single GX270 )with 4GB in no more time that it takes to normal create those systems. I also have VMWare workstation…pretty similar stuff, and the ability to go from physical to virtual (P2V) is stupidly easy and effective as well. A single fast box, full of redundant disk space and RAM will be cheaper than a blade center + blades. Also, once VM’d you can duplicate the entire network on desktop hardware and have a test environment for the price of the OS licenses. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It’s small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ?
DriveImageXML? -Original Message- From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? Thanks ... When I say clone, I mean basically 'Ghost' ... Not a sector/track/cylinder match exactly, and actually a way to copy an older drive to a newer drive that could be larger, without a separate 'partition magic' type activity after cloning... And although ghost/acronis might work, key in the question was 'freeware' ... -Original Message- From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? JLC Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:31:10 -0600 JLC From: Joseph L. Casale JLC I wanted to say that too, but that complicates things drastically JLC if the drives are not the same, Google: gparted-livecd systemrescuecd-x86 JLC its also *very* slow as dupes the drive byte-by-byte. Totally false. I've moved 20 MB/sec over USB 2.0, and far better with internal drives. # for 128 kB blocks: dd if=/dev/WHATEVER_X of=/dev/WHATEVER_Y bs=131072 JLC If you need the flexibility to restore to different drives, you JLC could use ghost/acronis etc. See above ISO images. :-) (FWIW, when I hear clone, I think identical.) Eddy -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ?
We've used Clonezilla successfully on several systems. Roger Wright From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? what have you all used successfully for cloning SATA drives ? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Dump of All Groups and Their Membership
I just went and downloaded it. Trying it now. Thanks, Terri Eric Woodford wrote the following on 4/17/2008 12:25 PM: Have you tried my script? http://www.ericwoodford.com/tool_export_dl_membership On 4/17/08, *Terri.Esham* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the best utility to use to export all Active Directory Groups and their membership? I know how to do it by doing each group separately, but I'd like a way to do all groups at one time. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Terri ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ?
Granted, I was cloning to and from a network share, but... BartPE with DriveImageXML worked fine for a Dell PW-390 (that is, I actually restored the image to a different PW-390). However, for a PW-380, numerous attempts to clone from one PW-380 and restore to a different PW-380 (or the same one with a new partition) all failed. From another machine, I can connect to the share and browse the file system of the PW-390 image, but nothing shows for the PW-380 - weird! -- Richard McClary, Systems Administrator ASPCA Knowledge Management 1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL 61802 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/22/2008 09:39:23 AM: DriveImageXML? -Original Message- From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? Thanks ... When I say clone, I mean basically 'Ghost' ... Not a sector/track/cylinder match exactly, and actually a way to copy an older drive to a newer drive that could be larger, without a separate 'partition magic' type activity after cloning... And although ghost/acronis might work, key in the question was 'freeware' ... -Original Message- From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? JLC Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:31:10 -0600 JLC From: Joseph L. Casale JLC I wanted to say that too, but that complicates things drastically JLC if the drives are not the same, Google: gparted-livecd systemrescuecd-x86 JLC its also *very* slow as dupes the drive byte-by-byte. Totally false. I've moved 20 MB/sec over USB 2.0, and far better with internal drives. # for 128 kB blocks: dd if=/dev/WHATEVER_X of=/dev/WHATEVER_Y bs=131072 JLC If you need the flexibility to restore to different drives, you JLC could use ghost/acronis etc. See above ISO images. :-) (FWIW, when I hear clone, I think identical.) Eddy -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I dont know about Schwab or Fidelity as I dont have any clients that use those houses, but LPL just releases a new set of standards for their brokers that includes specific wording about physical security. Keep in mind that you do need a good set of security controls for any device that contains confidential information about your clients and/or their investments. Realistically, you can point to Title V of the Gramm-Leach Bliley Act as well as SEC Regulation S-P to say that any computer device that contains confidential information about your customers needs additional physical security. From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers I agree with your totally, but they have never in the 15 years I have work at this company had a locked room for the servers. They are in my cubicle now, but before that they were in the common work area where the copier, printer etc. We are independent advisors that manage investments for high net work individuals along with some corporate plans. The assets, though, are held at a custodian like Schwab or Fidelity. We just went through an SEC audit, but luckily nothing was said about the fact that the servers were in my cubicle. _ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Right now, from what you describe, I dont see any value benefit with the Blade Technology, since you arent going to load the Blade to capacity or at least ½ capacity, you arent really getting a return on investment ( Blades can be quiet expensive also) If your server system is adequate for 20 people, then, spending more money with the blade and the time to migrate probably isnt going to be the best move. I would definitely have you re-think your plan about putting the servers in your cubicle. What happens if someone wants to lift your server from your unsecured cubicle and now your data and server are in the hands of an unauthorized party and you are SOL. Your server should be in a temperature controlled locked room with adequate physical controls, and limited access. I hope you all arent under Sarbanes or PCI compliance at your company, I fear you might be heading down a bad road with this if you get audited. Just my 2 cents, Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Need opinion on Blade Servers Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ?
I had tried Clonezilla. However, when I got to the screen where one chooses between English and Classic Chinese, the system froze - twice. -- Richard McClary, Systems Administrator ASPCA Knowledge Management 1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL 61802 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/22/2008 09:43:11 AM: We’ve used Clonezilla successfully on several systems. Roger Wright From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? what have you all used successfully for cloning SATA drives ? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ?
JLC Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:41:53 -0600 JLC From: Joseph L. Casale JLC You do see the difference in moving 20MB/sec of _*all*_ the drive JLC versus _*only*_ the files it has? If a 1 TB drive had 1gig of data, JLC yea you get it. And per-file operations require directory I/O. If the drive is full enough, a brute-force block copy is _faster_. :-) Eddy -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Dump of All Groups and Their Membership
Do you have any documentation on how to use your script? I'm not a script person so I need details. Thanks, Terri Eric Woodford wrote the following on 4/17/2008 12:25 PM: Have you tried my script? http://www.ericwoodford.com/tool_export_dl_membership On 4/17/08, *Terri.Esham* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the best utility to use to export all Active Directory Groups and their membership? I know how to do it by doing each group separately, but I'd like a way to do all groups at one time. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Terri ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers
I'm very familiar with Dell's line of blade servers. As most everyone has pointed out, it sounds like one would be incredibly overkill for your environment. The cost of an entire chassis plus one blade is not very cost effective either, considering it doesn't sound like there's going to be rapid growth anytime soon. And finally, the noise and heat generated by a blade chassis would make it impossible for you to function with them sitting right next to you. Take the money management was willing to throw down on a blade chassis/server and put it towards building an adequate server room for your equipment. - Sean On 4/22/08, Sharie Breaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Need backup advice
You might try DeltaCopy, I've used that successfully here to back up a workstation to a FreeNAS backup server. DeltaCopy - Rsync for Windows http://www.aboutmyip.com/AboutMyXApp/DeltaCopy.jsp -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 +---+ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
[OT] SBS 2008 chatter
Anyone know whether SBS 2008 will feature the Documents section in OWA (Exchange 2008) ? Strikes me as a very useful feature indeed. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Oh yeah, forgot out the soundgood Lord, take out a Mgmt module and the fans go into spastic mode! Like a mini-jet taking off... From: Sean Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers I'm very familiar with Dell's line of blade servers. As most everyone has pointed out, it sounds like one would be incredibly overkill for your environment. The cost of an entire chassis plus one blade is not very cost effective either, considering it doesn't sound like there's going to be rapid growth anytime soon. And finally, the noise and heat generated by a blade chassis would make it impossible for you to function with them sitting right next to you. Take the money management was willing to throw down on a blade chassis/server and put it towards building an adequate server room for your equipment. - Sean On 4/22/08, Sharie Breaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our company is in the process of dividing the business into two. Two principals are staying at the current location and the other two are moving to a new location. It is my job to purchase the server for the two that are moving (of which I am going with them as well). We have four servers now: Primary (which is the one I am replacing now), SQL (of which I will replace in early 2009), Exchange a Backup server. One of the principals is pushing blade servers. He feels there is a smaller footprint, more room for growth for the future, you only need one UPS and there is less power consumption. There is only going to be 8 people at the new company with room to expand to 4 more. The current Primary server is more than adequate for the 20 people that are at the company now. There is no temperature controlled server room. There is an IT closet where the wiring will be (Phone Data) which is basically only 8' wide x 30 deep with louvered doors in the common supply room. He suggested putting the servers in the closet sideways of which I am against and said no. I will be putting them in my cubicle with me as it makes it easier to manage them. Since I do not know that much about blade servers, I need all of your opinions. Sharie Breaux Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ?
Looking to go from smaller to larger , ie from old drive(s) to new drive(s) ... I was hoping for a one-stop solution without having to purchase software for a one time client, and minimize my time as well ( versus a simple clone/copy and then partition resize) .. Thanks -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? And although ghost/acronis might work, key in the question was 'freeware' Diskpart can extend the partition if its smaller then the new drive, but if you are going from big -- small, that's tricky. Newer versions of diskpart can shrink, you could shrink the original partition before. I don't know any freeware version that can go from big to small, even g4u can't :( The live cd's usually have a Linux equivalent to diskpart that can shrink/extend but they arent as reliable on NTFS as diskpart. Let me know if you find something! jlc ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Windows NLB..intermittent connectivity
I've got a web based application using a MSSQL back-end that sits on three (3) servers that are also using the windows network load balance service. This solution was implemented long before my arrival but it's been dumped in my lap and I have a slew of issues to resolve. Layout: app.mydomain.com server1 server2 - virtual IP server3 Issue: When connecting to Network load balance manager I'm unable to connect with the server name and instead have to use IP. Issue: When I do connect I'm able to access the application. For some reason connectivity between the application and the server(s) has been lost and doesn't seem to get restored until I make a connection. I check the logs and don't see anything relevant on the server or app side. I'm still getting familar with the environment as a whole but wanted to throw this out to see if anyone has had any familiarity with this. Any responses appreciated. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ?
I've tried that, and even though I specified a new size, it still copied identical sizes and left unformatted/unused space on the target drive... user error, huh ? _ From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? We’ve used Clonezilla successfully on several systems. Roger Wright From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? what have you all used successfully for cloning SATA drives ? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Computer Browser service
By AD browsing, do you mean being able to open up Network Places, and see all the machines in the network? Is the computer browser service needed for that? Joe Heaton From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Computer Browser service Nope, Turn it off. This was needed in NT 4.0 days, AD browsing doesn't need Computer Browser anymore. Heheh just woke up with a complete server bomb controller issue this morning. Just lovely. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Computer Browser service Does anyone here leave the computer browser service on for workstations and member servers? I don't for my personal business' clients, but my day job requires solid documentation on why we should turn off the browser service via GPO. I've already read this: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/188001 Any other links or suggestions would be helpful. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ?
EG Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:13:40 -0400 EG From: Erik Goldoff EG Looking to go from smaller to larger , ie from old drive(s) to new EG drive(s) ... I was hoping for a one-stop solution without having to EG purchase software for a one time client, and minimize my time as EG well ( versus a simple clone/copy and then partition resize) .. I still suggest: Google: gparted-livecd systemrescuecd-x86 Eddy -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Windows NLB..intermittent connectivity
Im no NLB expert but I have setup a few and this is how I did it successfully You have 2 nics, one is the LAN and the other is the NLB (off lan IP) then you create a new cluster and give it a logical IP, then use that 2nd NIC to bind the NLB service together. Then you go into the NLB service (call it nlb.domain.com) and you add all the virtual IP's there along with the ports (80/443 for example) and that's it. Remember NLB is a first come first serve, so if you try to hit the nlb.domain.com IP you don't know which computer you will get, so its best to use the physical IP off NIC1 for remote mgmt and such. _ From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows NLB..intermittent connectivity ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Virtualization is an excellent thing and works in many environments _depending_ on several factors. It is not in any way shape or form a magic solution. Does you hardware support the load? On a virtualized environment will you have sufficient disk IO/latency to support your apps? Here we do not put SQL or Exchange mailbox servers in VM. Because our SAN infrastructure latency kills it. We did test it and it just doesn't work for us. At all. We have another production environment 3 VMware servers in a cluster. One virtual center server and a seperate SQL db box for the back end. Here's the fun part. The AD DC is virtualized. The SQL service account for the server is a domain account. If we shut down the environment, then we have to bring up the VMWare box with the DC on it and power it up before we can bring up the cluster environment It all depends on your needs and equipment whether or not a virtual solution will work for you. That said, if you are going to keep the servers in your cube, get a half height rack or something and have a locking door. Frankly the fan noise would irritate the hell out of me and my cube neighbors. They need to find secure space for their servers. Closed, non-climate controlled closets get HOT. Heat shuts down servers. Other random notes confirming stuff. Blades run warm, very very warm. One UPS? So, single point of failure then? Blades need a lot of power, lots. Over all at one location we have 47 VMWare host systems comprising 2 production environments, 2 full test environments and 2 development labs. VMWare, it's what's good for the resume :) but not always the right answer. Steven On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only say this because I am a perfect example of it, but there is still a lot of fear around virtualization and it seems until you have done it or really seen it done, that fear persists. At my last employer I never would have considered it. Now that I am living with it, I wish I had done it there. From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers I have to disagree with you there Mike. Virtualization works will for production, dev and test environments. I have more virtual servers than actual physical servers. I have production SQL server applications (heavy I/O too) that run flawlessly in VMWare. I also have a production box with an inventory control application that the company said they didn't think would run on VMWare and it not only runs on VMWare, it runs better on VMWare than it ever did on a physical box. OK, stepping off my VMWare soapbox.. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Sharie Breaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We only need one server at this point. The primary server that I will be buying needs Windows 2003 Server Std edition. Yes to AD and we already have an Exchange Server of which I will be taking with me as the other company is using something else for mail. The exchange server is only about 1-1/2 years old. The SQL server is the oldest, but they don't want to spend the money on that now because of all the other moving expenses - furniture, cubicles, etc. The backup server I will also be taking with me and it is only 1-1/2 years old. I felt that blade servers were overkill myself, but I needed some backup on this issue. Thanks everyone for the information. Anymore at any time will be greatly appreciated! From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Sharie, how many servers do you need? What systems will you be running here? Do you need AD? Exchange? From: Sharie Breaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers Small Business Server is not supported by our software and our trading system uses SQL databases that have to be on a separate box as well. Sharie From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers It all depends on the needs of the firm. My knee-jerk was to put in a SBS box for everything since its only eight people, however, there may be more to it than meets the eye. (Dude, transformers are awesome!!) As far as host based virtualization, I think this environment would be an ideal candidate. It's small and there is no physical space allocated for severs. I would look into the option of taking your beefiest box, maxing out the RAM and putting everything I could on it. My outside view, $.02 Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers?
Is there anyway to stop users from launching applications on the server for which I do NOT have licenses for - BUT - continue to allow this behavior for users that I DO have licenses for? Example: All users can right-click any file in and choose Open With...Choose program, and choose Publisher. Say I only have 5 licenses for Publisher, and therefore I only want 5 people to be able to do this Does this make sense? Thanks, Dave ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers?
Software Metering is what you're looking for... I don't recall if Citrix has that built in, but SMS will do it for you On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:55 AM, David Mazzaccaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anyway to stop users from launching applications on the server for which I do NOT have licenses for - BUT - continue to allow this behavior for users that I DO have licenses for? Example: All users can right-click any file in and choose Open With…Choose program, and choose Publisher. Say I only have 5 licenses for Publisher, and therefore I only want 5 people to be able to do this…. Does this make sense? Thanks, Dave ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: We handing out xobni accounts?
I've got an invite left if anyone's still interested (off-list of course). Jon Lewis From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: We handing out xobni accounts? I have a few left , although I think they are dong free sign ups today ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers?
Create Active Directory Group and only add the five users for your application and publish to that group. Lock down your desktop with Group Policy so that they cannot create file associations. Mike _ From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers? Is there anyway to stop users from launching applications on the server for which I do NOT have licenses for - BUT - continue to allow this behavior for users that I DO have licenses for? Example: All users can right-click any file in and choose Open With.Choose program, and choose Publisher. Say I only have 5 licenses for Publisher, and therefore I only want 5 people to be able to do this.. Does this make sense? Thanks, Dave ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: We handing out xobni accounts?
Man, that was fast. All out. Jon Lewis From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? I've got an invite left if anyone's still interested (off-list of course). Jon Lewis From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: We handing out xobni accounts? I have a few left , although I think they are dong free sign ups today ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers?
Thanks. I am also thinking of just applying security on the MSPUB.EXE file? Create group allow MSPUB, allow them to execute, deny everyone else? -Dave From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers? Create Active Directory Group and only add the five users for your application and publish to that group. Lock down your desktop with Group Policy so that they cannot create file associations. Mike From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers? Is there anyway to stop users from launching applications on the server for which I do NOT have licenses for - BUT - continue to allow this behavior for users that I DO have licenses for? Example: All users can right-click any file in and choose Open With...Choose program, and choose Publisher. Say I only have 5 licenses for Publisher, and therefore I only want 5 people to be able to do this Does this make sense? Thanks, Dave ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Need opinion on Blade Servers
Check out http://www.stikc.com/ They sell used/refurbished gear. I recently bought a blade chassis and one blade server for about $750, total. I've only bought used/refurbed since 1999. They work great, some have remaining warrantee. Tell them I sent you. From: Sean Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Need opinion on Blade Servers ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers?
Citrix will not do it the way you are wanting it done. With Citrix you can limit a Published Application to x number of users in the settings. So I could publish Publisher and set the max # of users at 5. Citrix will then not allow more than 5 connections to Publisher across all servers in the Farm that serve Publisher. Make sense? If a user can use a context menu and select Open With. then that is outside of Citrix's control. Webster From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers? Is there anyway to stop users from launching applications on the server for which I do NOT have licenses for - BUT - continue to allow this behavior for users that I DO have licenses for? Example: All users can right-click any file in and choose Open With.Choose program, and choose Publisher. Say I only have 5 licenses for Publisher, and therefore I only want 5 people to be able to do this.. Does this make sense? Thanks, Dave ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers?
In our environment, we do not publish the entire Citrix desktop. We use the Citrix Program Neighborhood, and only publish to the user's desktop the applications they need, based on security grouping. The only way they are getting to the underlying file system, would be through context menus being used in Open or Save dialogs. If that is the case in your environment, I think it's a case of Crowley's Law. Perhaps disciplinary action for circumventing system controls? Joe On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Citrix will not do it the way you are wanting it done. With Citrix you can limit a Published Application to x number of users in the settings. So I could publish Publisher and set the max # of users at 5. Citrix will then not allow more than 5 connections to Publisher across all servers in the Farm that serve Publisher. Make sense? If a user can use a context menu and select Open With… then that is outside of Citrix's control. Webster *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers? Is there anyway to stop users from launching applications on the server for which I do NOT have licenses for - BUT - continue to allow this behavior for users that I DO have licenses for? Example: All users can right-click any file in and choose Open With…Choose program, and choose Publisher. Say I only have 5 licenses for Publisher, and therefore I only want 5 people to be able to do this…. Does this make sense? Thanks, Dave -- Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr The information contained in this e-mail message, including any attached files, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that any unauthorized use, disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender via telephone at 716-846-9308 or by return e-mail. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers?
That will work also. _ From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers? Thanks. I am also thinking of just applying security on the MSPUB.EXE file? Create group allow MSPUB, allow them to execute, deny everyone else? -Dave _ From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers? Create Active Directory Group and only add the five users for your application and publish to that group. Lock down your desktop with Group Policy so that they cannot create file associations. Mike _ From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers? Is there anyway to stop users from launching applications on the server for which I do NOT have licenses for - BUT - continue to allow this behavior for users that I DO have licenses for? Example: All users can right-click any file in and choose Open With.Choose program, and choose Publisher. Say I only have 5 licenses for Publisher, and therefore I only want 5 people to be able to do this.. Does this make sense? Thanks, Dave ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ?
thanks -Original Message- From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? EG Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:13:40 -0400 EG From: Erik Goldoff EG Looking to go from smaller to larger , ie from old drive(s) to new EG drive(s) ... I was hoping for a one-stop solution without having to EG purchase software for a one time client, and minimize my time as EG well ( versus a simple clone/copy and then partition resize) .. I still suggest: Google: gparted-livecd systemrescuecd-x86 Eddy -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers?
With Citrix you can publish application to any number of users. If you create AD group you can control who has access to published application. The tricky part is if they have access to published desktop. Then you have to hide access or remove permission to run application. Mike _ From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers? ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Programically install File and Print
I have about 2500 XP desktops, none of which have File and Printer Services installed. It was a left over idea from our old 98 days when it was easier to lock the students down by not installing the service. We would like to turn it on in XP for a variety of reasons, and just control file sharing access via gpo's for them. I found an old JSInc Faq that addresses this with snetcfg and was able to get the exe down before WindowsITPro borged them. Simple exe with command line switches that grabs the inf from the inf directory and installs the service. However I am having zero luck getting the exe to work, it keeps failing with an error. Below is the syntax I am running if anyone has used it. snetcfg -v -l c:\windows\inf\netsrv.inf -c s -i MS_Server Or does anyone have another idea how to do this without visiting 2500 machines? ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Programically install File and Print
Sysocmgr.exe would be my guess, although it might be as simple as netsh. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Programically install File and Print I have about 2500 XP desktops, none of which have File and Printer Services installed. It was a left over idea from our old 98 days when it was easier to lock the students down by not installing the service. We would like to turn it on in XP for a variety of reasons, and just control file sharing access via gpo's for them. I found an old JSInc Faq that addresses this with snetcfg and was able to get the exe down before WindowsITPro borged them. Simple exe with command line switches that grabs the inf from the inf directory and installs the service. However I am having zero luck getting the exe to work, it keeps failing with an error. Below is the syntax I am running if anyone has used it. snetcfg -v -l c:\windows\inf\netsrv.inf -c s -i MS_Server Or does anyone have another idea how to do this without visiting 2500 machines? ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: [OT] SBS 2008 chatter
I'm gonna guess this means since Exchange 2007 is 64-bit, then SBS 2008 is 64-bit only Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: [OT] SBS 2008 chatter Not sure I understand the question. SBS 2008 is slated to include Exchange 2007, so if what you want is in Exchange 2007 it should be in SBS 2008. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [OT] SBS 2008 chatter Anyone know whether SBS 2008 will feature the Documents section in OWA (Exchange 2008) ? Strikes me as a very useful feature indeed. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: We handing out xobni accounts?
So many immature jokes, so little time... Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? Man, that was fast. All out. Jon Lewis From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? I've got an invite left if anyone's still interested (off-list of course). Jon Lewis From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: We handing out xobni accounts? I have a few left , although I think they are dong free sign ups today ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers?
Thanks to all! From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers? With Citrix you can publish application to any number of users. If you create AD group you can control who has access to published application. The tricky part is if they have access to published desktop. Then you have to hide access or remove permission to run application. Mike From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Citrix - Licensing MS Office on Citrix servers? ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: [OT] SBS 2008 chatter
HeyI DON'T do product announcements. I'm just sharing public information. :-) http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/essential/sbs/editions.mspx and http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsServer2003/sbs/evaluation/faq/roadmap.mspx which includes: Q. I have heard about Windows Small Business Server 2008. What is it? A. Windows Small Business Server 2008 is the next release of Windows Small Business Server. It will be available following the release of Windows Server 2008 and will be available as a 64-bit product only. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: [OT] SBS 2008 chatter I'm gonna guess this means since Exchange 2007 is 64-bit, then SBS 2008 is 64-bit only Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: [OT] SBS 2008 chatter Not sure I understand the question. SBS 2008 is slated to include Exchange 2007, so if what you want is in Exchange 2007 it should be in SBS 2008. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [OT] SBS 2008 chatter Anyone know whether SBS 2008 will feature the Documents section in OWA (Exchange 2008) ? Strikes me as a very useful feature indeed. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Group Policy - IE proxy settings
I have a GPO that sets IE to use a proxy server. It sets the user's proxy settings fine, but they settings are not greyed out - meaning the user can just uncheck not to use the proxy if they choose to. Is this by design? I thought that when you set settings via a GPO - the settings become greyed out for the end user (this is how my XP Firewall settings are). ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: GB switches
Another alternative would be Enterasys. Used them for 5 years at my last job, and loved them. Hadn't heard of the Extreme switches until you asked about it, so can't give you input there, but if the cli is LESS intuitive than Cisco, which in my opinion isn't intuitive at all, then that could be a major downside... Joe Heaton -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: GB switches At the risk of starting another of those religious debates about switch vendors, I'd suggest you also look into the Nortel Enterprise Router Switch offerings. Their gear is very robust, they have great technical support, and their switches have a variety of management options including a web gui, a Java Device Manager that is very intuitive, and a command line option that is similar enough to Crisco that most people can learn it quickly. And, their pricing is competitive. -Original Message- From: Adam Greene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: GB switches Richard, Have not used the Extreme Black Diamond in particular, however, 4-5 years back, we did decide to try the Extreme Summit series as an alternative to Cisco for some of our core infrastructure. We were attracted by the price: at that time, Cisco didn't have an affordable layer 3 switch -- this was just before the 3550 was being released, if I remember correctly. We found the Extreme OS to be less intuitive than the Cisco IOS, and we experienced various minor issues with simple things like interface speed / duplex negotiation. Sometimes the telnet CLI would freeze up on the Extreme when making config changes. Here and there there were features which Extreme simply didn't support. We found ourselves saying, If only this were a Cisco switch, and having to support and train engineers on both Cisco and Extreme didn't make sense for us. As a result of the frustrations with Extreme, after deploying 3-4 of them, we decided to take them all back out of production and replace them with Cisco 2960 / 3560 / 3750. Good luck obtaining further feedback!! Adam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:24 AM Subject: RE: GB switches FINALLY - I thought I'd have to hijack my own thread here! Although I appreciate knowing that cheap fast ethernet switches have worked for some folks, it really doesn't answer my question... I forgot to mention that, yes, we shall be needing POE. So, back to my dilemma... We do have a stack of 3 Cisco 10/100 switches. Although they are managable, it seems we have lost that ability. They are not POE, although we have a little gizmo that sends POE to my desk for a little outlet ethernet switch. The thing about the Catalysts is, we've never needed to manage them, and they've been hang 'em in the rack and forget about them. We are an incoming call center which handles about 450 veteranary emergency toxicology cases PER DAY. At the busy times, we do seem to need the additional through-put of the Gig switches. SO, our installers suggest Cisco. Our IT folks at national headquarters suggest Extreme Black Diamond. So, again please, does anyone have any personal experience with both Cisco and Extreme and could make some recommendations? Thanks! -- Richard McClary, Systems Administrator ASPCA Knowledge Management 1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL 61802 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org Cesare' A. Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/17/2008 07:55:53 PM: Agreed with past posts with regards to the 1GB thought. We have rolled out Asterisk, 3Com NBX, 3Com VXC, Avaya, and Cisco. Never saw the need for 1GB switches at all end points. But would highly recommend POE functionality. As per switch, I am on the same snob group as Phil. I go ballistic whenever I see or hear an office running a DLink, Netgear, or Belkin. We have had great success with 3Com (primarily 3Com 4500 POE family) and Cisco. Of course 3Com is a bit lower in cost then Cisco. Lates. CAR Phone: 305-443-0331 xt. 1202 Mobile: 786-412-1746 Fax: 305-443-0350 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB Pin: 23E727FF AIM: cramosMIA MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo: cramosMIA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: GB switches Perhaps a wee bit OT, and I know there are some of you who sell and service Cisco. However... Currently most of our network is on fast ethernet. (We have a couple of racks, each of which has a small GB switch to tie the servers in that rack together.) We are soon to dump our NEC PBX and go with VOIP. (It will _not_ be Cisco or Avaya VOIP.) We need more robust
RE: We handing out xobni accounts?
When's lack of time ever stopped anyone from making immature jokes around here? :) Jon Lewis From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? So many immature jokes, so little time... Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? Man, that was fast. All out. Jon Lewis From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? I've got an invite left if anyone's still interested (off-list of course). Jon Lewis From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: We handing out xobni accounts? I have a few left , although I think they are dong free sign ups today ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: GB switches
Just ran across this: http://www.dlink.com/business/test-drive/ Yes, I know it's D-Link, but you can't beat the price - free. ...Tim -Original Message- From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: GB switches Another alternative would be Enterasys. Used them for 5 years at my last job, and loved them. Hadn't heard of the Extreme switches until you asked about it, so can't give you input there, but if the cli is LESS intuitive than Cisco, which in my opinion isn't intuitive at all, then that could be a major downside... Joe Heaton -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: GB switches At the risk of starting another of those religious debates about switch vendors, I'd suggest you also look into the Nortel Enterprise Router Switch offerings. Their gear is very robust, they have great technical support, and their switches have a variety of management options including a web gui, a Java Device Manager that is very intuitive, and a command line option that is similar enough to Crisco that most people can learn it quickly. And, their pricing is competitive. -Original Message- From: Adam Greene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: GB switches Richard, Have not used the Extreme Black Diamond in particular, however, 4-5 years back, we did decide to try the Extreme Summit series as an alternative to Cisco for some of our core infrastructure. We were attracted by the price: at that time, Cisco didn't have an affordable layer 3 switch -- this was just before the 3550 was being released, if I remember correctly. We found the Extreme OS to be less intuitive than the Cisco IOS, and we experienced various minor issues with simple things like interface speed / duplex negotiation. Sometimes the telnet CLI would freeze up on the Extreme when making config changes. Here and there there were features which Extreme simply didn't support. We found ourselves saying, If only this were a Cisco switch, and having to support and train engineers on both Cisco and Extreme didn't make sense for us. As a result of the frustrations with Extreme, after deploying 3-4 of them, we decided to take them all back out of production and replace them with Cisco 2960 / 3560 / 3750. Good luck obtaining further feedback!! Adam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:24 AM Subject: RE: GB switches FINALLY - I thought I'd have to hijack my own thread here! Although I appreciate knowing that cheap fast ethernet switches have worked for some folks, it really doesn't answer my question... I forgot to mention that, yes, we shall be needing POE. So, back to my dilemma... We do have a stack of 3 Cisco 10/100 switches. Although they are managable, it seems we have lost that ability. They are not POE, although we have a little gizmo that sends POE to my desk for a little outlet ethernet switch. The thing about the Catalysts is, we've never needed to manage them, and they've been hang 'em in the rack and forget about them. We are an incoming call center which handles about 450 veteranary emergency toxicology cases PER DAY. At the busy times, we do seem to need the additional through-put of the Gig switches. SO, our installers suggest Cisco. Our IT folks at national headquarters suggest Extreme Black Diamond. So, again please, does anyone have any personal experience with both Cisco and Extreme and could make some recommendations? Thanks! -- Richard McClary, Systems Administrator ASPCA Knowledge Management 1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL 61802 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org Cesare' A. Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/17/2008 07:55:53 PM: Agreed with past posts with regards to the 1GB thought. We have rolled out Asterisk, 3Com NBX, 3Com VXC, Avaya, and Cisco. Never saw the need for 1GB switches at all end points. But would highly recommend POE functionality. As per switch, I am on the same snob group as Phil. I go ballistic whenever I see or hear an office running a DLink, Netgear, or Belkin. We have had great success with 3Com (primarily 3Com 4500 POE family) and Cisco. Of course 3Com is a bit lower in cost then Cisco. Lates. CAR Phone: 305-443-0331 xt. 1202 Mobile: 786-412-1746 Fax: 305-443-0350 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB Pin: 23E727FF AIM: cramosMIA MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo: cramosMIA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008
RE: We handing out xobni accounts?
All = pull From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? Man, that was fast. All out. Jon Lewis From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? I've got an invite left if anyone's still interested (off-list of course). Jon Lewis From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: We handing out xobni accounts? I have a few left , although I think they are dong free sign ups today ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: We handing out xobni accounts?
I'm making an effort to decrease my level of humor noise on this list, even though I believe it's a huge value add and a good stress reliever. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook -Original Message- From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? When's lack of time ever stopped anyone from making immature jokes around here? :) Jon Lewis From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? So many immature jokes, so little time... Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? Man, that was fast. All out. Jon Lewis From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? I've got an invite left if anyone's still interested (off-list of course). Jon Lewis From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: We handing out xobni accounts? I have a few left , although I think they are dong free sign ups today ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: We handing out xobni accounts?
We all know how you relieve your stress! ;-) Painstakingly sent to you from my Blackberry. - Original Message - From: Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tue Apr 22 14:13:56 2008 Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? I'm making an effort to decrease my level of humor noise on this list, even though I believe it's a huge value add and a good stress reliever. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook -Original Message- From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? When's lack of time ever stopped anyone from making immature jokes around here? :) Jon Lewis From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? So many immature jokes, so little time... Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? Man, that was fast. All out. Jon Lewis From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? I've got an invite left if anyone's still interested (off-list of course). Jon Lewis From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: We handing out xobni accounts? I have a few left , although I think they are dong free sign ups today ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: We handing out xobni accounts?
I thought list volume had been down lately. Jon Lewis -Original Message- From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? I'm making an effort to decrease my level of humor noise on this list, even though I believe it's a huge value add and a good stress reliever. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook -Original Message- From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? When's lack of time ever stopped anyone from making immature jokes around here? :) Jon Lewis From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? So many immature jokes, so little time... Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? Man, that was fast. All out. Jon Lewis From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: We handing out xobni accounts? I've got an invite left if anyone's still interested (off-list of course). Jon Lewis From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: We handing out xobni accounts? I have a few left , although I think they are dong free sign ups today ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Programically install File and Print
That looked very promising at first, but sysocmgr does not read the NetServices part of the answer file. So no joy there. Netsh will let me allow it on the firewall but on these boxes it isn't even installed. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Programically install File and Print Sysocmgr.exe would be my guess, although it might be as simple as netsh. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Programically install File and Print I have about 2500 XP desktops, none of which have File and Printer Services installed. It was a left over idea from our old 98 days when it was easier to lock the students down by not installing the service. We would like to turn it on in XP for a variety of reasons, and just control file sharing access via gpo's for them. I found an old JSInc Faq that addresses this with snetcfg and was able to get the exe down before WindowsITPro borged them. Simple exe with command line switches that grabs the inf from the inf directory and installs the service. However I am having zero luck getting the exe to work, it keeps failing with an error. Below is the syntax I am running if anyone has used it. snetcfg -v -l c:\windows\inf\netsrv.inf -c s -i MS_Server Or does anyone have another idea how to do this without visiting 2500 machines? ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ?
FYI - the consumer version of Ghost will work perfect for this as well. -Original Message- From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? thanks -Original Message- From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Best freeware disk cloner for SATA drives ? EG Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:13:40 -0400 EG From: Erik Goldoff EG Looking to go from smaller to larger , ie from old drive(s) to new EG drive(s) ... I was hoping for a one-stop solution without having to EG purchase software for a one time client, and minimize my time as EG well ( versus a simple clone/copy and then partition resize) .. I still suggest: Google: gparted-livecd systemrescuecd-x86 Eddy -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Group Policy - IE proxy settings
Have you enabled the Policy to Disable Changing proxy settings under User Config, Admin Templates, Internet Explorer? On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:57 PM, David Mazzaccaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a GPO that sets IE to use a proxy server. It sets the user's proxy settings fine, but they settings are not greyed out - meaning the user can just uncheck not to use the proxy if theychoose to. Is this by design? I thought that when you set settings via a GPO - the settings become greyed out for the end user (this is how my XP Firewall settings are). ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Group Policy - IE proxy settings
Ooops. Thank you! From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Group Policy - IE proxy settings ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Group Policy - IE proxy settings
You have just set the value, not done anything about the interface to it. I believe you want to look at- User Configuration / Administrative Templates / Windows Components / Internet Explorer- Disable changing proxy settings From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Group Policy - IE proxy settings I have a GPO that sets IE to use a proxy server. It sets the user's proxy settings fine, but they settings are not greyed out - meaning the user can just uncheck not to use the proxy if they choose to. Is this by design? I thought that when you set settings via a GPO - the settings become greyed out for the end user (this is how my XP Firewall settings are). ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
MS System Center Alert modification
Are there any system center experts out there? I need to change the alert trigger level for the drive space alert. Our System Center guy Is on vacation, and I can't make heads or tails out of it. I would appreciate any hints on making the change. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
