[openhealth] Re: [oshca_members] FOSS for health in Malaysia

[Molly Cheah]

kers? I'll be able to discuss this on the 
> phone at +6012-3355606.
>
> Rgds,
> Molly
> Adnan Hamid wrote:
>> Dear Dr. Molly (OSHCA) and Mr. Khairil (MAMPU),
>> Referring to the decision on our last meeting in Cyberjaya, MAMPU and 
>> OSHCA will help AMDI to give the speakers for the seminar. We really 
>> need the list of the speakers and the topic of the their 
>> presentations for us to prepare the brochure for the invitation to 
>> all of the potential participants. From now on, we have to start the 
>> marketing and the promotion of the seminar.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
>>
>> Adnan bin Hamid
>> Pegawai Teknologi Maklumat
>> Institut Perubatan dan Pergigian Termaju
>> Universiti Sains Malaysia
>> No. 1-8, Persiaran Seksyen 4/1, Bandar Putra Bertam
>> 13200 Kepala Batas
>> Pulau Pinang
>> No. Tel (Pejabat) : 04-5791990
>> No. Tel (Fax) : 04-5791590
>> No. Tel (HP) : 012-4560356
>> E-mel : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is not quite correct to just state that OSHCA logo is onsite. 
;-) . I worked pretty hard on the programme, plus having to attend 
several meetings with them. If you remember your email to me just 3 days 
ago when you didn't know who was the actual conference organisers.. 
Here's our email exchange on this ..

> From: Molly Cheah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:29 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Adnan Hamid
> Subject: Re: Adnan or MAMPU
>
> Hi Alvin,
> It's Adnan from AMDI-USM. I'm copying this email to him as well.
>
> Rgds,
> Molly
> Alvin Marcelo wrote:
>   
>> > Hi Molly,
>> >
>> > IOSN is interested in co-sponsoring the Open Source for Health in
>> > Penang but I need to contact the head organizer asap to discuss
>> > conditions
>> >
>> > Pls connect us if you can,...thanks..
>> >
>> > Copy Jason...
>> >
>> >
>> > alvin

It is good to know that you will also support this conference. With 
regards to your statement "This could be an opportunity to re-organize 
OSHCA Asia if the new board approves it..." there is provision in the 
OSHCA Constitution for OSHCA Asia to be formed, regardless of what new 
or current board says. But someone has to work on the Rules and 
Regulations for the OSHCA chapters to be formed

Rgds,
Molly




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Re: [openhealth] Open Sourcing of Proteus Tools

[Molly Cheah]

Here's the abstract of a paper presented at OSHCA2007 in May in KL.

Legal issues impacting the use of open source software in health care


by GK Ganesan


Software relating to healthcare: an introduction to some legal issues

This paper examines legal issues relating to the use of open source 
software in

healthcare, and in particular, discusses questions of law that fall 
within the purview

of the law of contract, and the law of tort.

Software is ubiquitous in the modern word. Nothing is ever done without 
it, and it

would appear, nothing is ever going to be done without it . Yet, as the 
historian

Edward Gibbon said it, it is easier to deplore the state of than to 
describe the

condition of software users.

The sort of software that is used in the medical field has wide scope, 
both of form,

function and range: for instance there are software that deal with mere 
recordkeeping

of patient data and billing procedures. Then there are those that cater for

the electronic monitoring of emergency procedure, or drug dispensation 
in a ‘live’

situation; and finally there are software systems that seem to play a 
major role in

clinical decision making processes. We are here concerned with the latter as

opposed to the former.

Medical personnel are trained to make clinical decisions premised 
observations and

the way a patient responds to stimuli, including drugs, circumstances 
and time.

Decisions are made by observation or other diagnostic tools. What software

purport to do is to take over this human function, prone to human-error 
as it is, and

to translate it into an accurate system of information processing that 
is used to make

decisions which affect the well-being of human beings. So far, so good, 
but how far

may one take this hypothesis before it becomes unsafe to patients?

Software is crafted by programmers and system architects, and not 
doctors. Are the

software or their authors prone to error? If they are, are programmers 
liable, and if

so, in what way? What are the limitations of their liability, and how 
far or wide is the

net cast?

This paper aims to answer these questions by the application of general law.



Hemant Shah wrote:
> Proteus (http://www.proteme.org) is an approach that allows authoring
> executable clinical processes and guidelines with decision support
> integrated within them.
>
> I am on the verge of making Proteus related tools available under an open
> source license. I need the advice of this community of open source champions
> on how to go about it and the choice of open source license. I know this has
> been discussed time and again on this list but I am still unclear about
> several things. Therefore please indulge my naiveté.
>
> I think LGPL provides most of what I need however I am still not clear about
> the use of derivative products. Specific example: what is there to prevent
> me from taking a class e.g, Person of an open source project and extend it
> by a class called SpecialPerson, and instead of adding the functionality
> that logically belongs in the Person class, enhance the SpecialPerson which
> I then keep closed source? By doing this one can easily violate the spirit
> and the intent of the license.
>
> My employer, Henry Ford Health System (HFHS) is supporting me in getting the
> Proteus tools open sourced. We have plans to use the open source version for
> research and to assist clinicians in patient care. Therefore significant
> development will take place after it has been open sourced. I have access to
> the HFHS legal department if needed. However, I need to know what help
> should I seek from them. Does it make sense to craft your own open source
> license instead of utilizing one of the standard ones?
>
> Any advice will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Hemant
>
>   




 
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[openhealth] GKP - Beyond Tunis

[Molly Cheah]

For those who are interested to read  the happenings before and beyond 
Tunis, here's the url: http://www.gkpcms.com/beyondtunis/index.cfm/pageid/38

The */Beyond Tunis/* publication series is a unique intellectual 
adventure launched by Global Knowledge Partnership 
 (GKP) to highlight efforts to advance 
the use and application of Knowledge and ICT for Development after the 
World Summit for the Information Society (WSIS) in Tunis in 2005.

I have contributed an article under BT 2.0 Horizon

Molly

[openhealth] [Fwd: Re: [oshca_members] Why is open source fidelity is important to health care and what should OSHCA do?]

[Molly Cheah]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [openhealth] Re: [oshca_members] OSHCA's Aims and Objectives

[Molly Cheah]

And Tim, please do me a favour by emailing the Hon Secretary of PCDOM at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rather than stating on these mailing lists and tell 
them that you believe that PCDOM's promotion of PrimaCare as an open 
source tool is not correct, thus implying that PCDOM is unethical.

Molly
Molly Cheah wrote:
> No Tim. That was Tims' intepretation of what is open source. Frankly, 
> PCDOM was being careful of building up its business model and its 
> strategic alliances with organisations to ensure sustainability and 
> accountability issues which are being built into its PCDOM PrimaCare 
> Public License; one that is similar to OpenMRS's Public License. 
> (Please see OpenMRS's license as guide if you are that interested at 
> http://www.openmrs.org) Admittedly PCDOM is slower that OpenMRS 
> efforts but really we didn't wanted to be "torched" like the past 
> experiences of other open source projects promoted especially by 
> individuals. Like I said PCDOM will make that available when they are 
> ready, not by being harrassed by the so-called open source 
> individuals. PCDOM, as a professional organisation, unlike individuals 
> who promote a particular application which folds up and can go away, 
> were advised to take sufficient steps in its licensing to ensure that 
> it is indemnified for the freedom to make changes by others that 
> compromise patient safety. Currently the law in Malaysia on patient 
> safety does not recognise statements that does or does not provide 
> warranty of the application (tool) used in patient care.
>
> I will bring this issue to the attention of the PCDOM Committee at 
> their next meeting for their action.
>
> Molly
> Tim Cook wrote:
>> Thanks for the clarification that Primacare is not open source.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 12:57 +1100, Tim Churches wrote:
>>  
>>> Molly Cheah wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> In view of the type of posts to these lists and that I do not wish
>>>>   
>>> to be
>>>
>>>> drawn to the same type of exchanges that led to the demise of OSHCA
>>>>   
>>> from
>>>
>>>> 2003-2006, I would like to make the following statement. Besides, I
>>>>   
>>> do
>>>
>>>> not have the time, interest and energy to do this, particularly for
>>>>   
>>> the
>>>
>>>> next 2-3 weeks.
>>>>
>>>> I was given the mandate to resurrect OSHCA with the following
>>>>   
>>> outcomes.
>>>
>>>> 1. To register OSHCA in a developing country. (Done)
>>>> 2. To organise OSHCA conference after registration (Done)
>>>> 3. To obtain funding to organise the OSHCA conference (Done)
>>>> 4. To take over oshca.org from Minouru Corporation for OSHCA (Done)
>>>>
>>>> I am a member of OSHCA in my personal capacity. Though I am the
>>>> President of PCDOM, PCDOM's membership (as Associate, NGO) is being
>>>> represented by PCDOM's Hon. Secretary. PCDOM's ownership of
>>>>   
>>> PrimaCare
>>>
>>>> and therefore its policies, rights and freedom to manage and sustain
>>>> PrimaCare is governed by its constitution and its contract with the
>>>> Malaysian Government who funded the development of PrimaCare solely
>>>>   
>>> for
>>>
>>>> the use of GPs in Malaysia. As an advocate of open source, I was
>>>> instrumental (not sole decision maker) in getting PCDOM to agree to
>>>> develop PrimaCare using an entire stack of open source software. I
>>>>   
>>> was
>>>
>>>> invited to present PrimaCare at OSHCA2002 at LA. That was the start
>>>>   
>>> of
>>>
>>>> my association with OSHCA. If one looks at any presentations of
>>>> PrimaCare anywhere and anytime, it was never mentioned that
>>>>   
>>> PrimaCare
>>>
>>>> was released under GPL. In fact PrimaCare was never released except
>>>>   
>>> to
>>>
>>>> GPs in Malaysia. My past verbal statements had always been that the
>>>> principles underlying the GPL can be applied to the manner we
>>>>   
>>> currently
>>>
>>>> distribute PrimaCare to GPs. However, PCDOM has its legal commitment
>>>>   
>>> to
>>>   

Re: [openhealth] Re: [oshca_members] OSHCA's Aims and Objectives

[Molly Cheah]

No Tim. That was Tims' intepretation of what is open source. Frankly, 
PCDOM was being careful of building up its business model and its 
strategic alliances with organisations to ensure sustainability and 
accountability issues which are being built into its PCDOM PrimaCare 
Public License; one that is similar to OpenMRS's Public License. (Please 
see OpenMRS's license as guide if you are that interested at 
http://www.openmrs.org) Admittedly PCDOM is slower that OpenMRS efforts 
but really we didn't wanted to be "torched" like the past experiences of 
other open source projects promoted especially by individuals. Like I 
said PCDOM will make that available when they are ready, not by being 
harrassed by the so-called open source individuals. PCDOM, as a 
professional organisation, unlike individuals who promote a particular 
application which folds up and can go away, were advised to take 
sufficient steps in its licensing to ensure that it is indemnified for 
the freedom to make changes by others that compromise patient safety. 
Currently the law in Malaysia on patient safety does not recognise 
statements that does or does not provide warranty of the application 
(tool) used in patient care.

I will bring this issue to the attention of the PCDOM Committee at their 
next meeting for their action.

Molly
Tim Cook wrote:
> Thanks for the clarification that Primacare is not open source.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
> On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 12:57 +1100, Tim Churches wrote:
>   
>> Molly Cheah wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> In view of the type of posts to these lists and that I do not wish
>>>   
>> to be
>> 
>>> drawn to the same type of exchanges that led to the demise of OSHCA
>>>   
>> from
>> 
>>> 2003-2006, I would like to make the following statement. Besides, I
>>>   
>> do
>> 
>>> not have the time, interest and energy to do this, particularly for
>>>   
>> the
>> 
>>> next 2-3 weeks.
>>>
>>> I was given the mandate to resurrect OSHCA with the following
>>>   
>> outcomes.
>> 
>>> 1. To register OSHCA in a developing country. (Done)
>>> 2. To organise OSHCA conference after registration (Done)
>>> 3. To obtain funding to organise the OSHCA conference (Done)
>>> 4. To take over oshca.org from Minouru Corporation for OSHCA (Done)
>>>
>>> I am a member of OSHCA in my personal capacity. Though I am the
>>> President of PCDOM, PCDOM's membership (as Associate, NGO) is being
>>> represented by PCDOM's Hon. Secretary. PCDOM's ownership of
>>>   
>> PrimaCare
>> 
>>> and therefore its policies, rights and freedom to manage and sustain
>>> PrimaCare is governed by its constitution and its contract with the
>>> Malaysian Government who funded the development of PrimaCare solely
>>>   
>> for
>> 
>>> the use of GPs in Malaysia. As an advocate of open source, I was
>>> instrumental (not sole decision maker) in getting PCDOM to agree to
>>> develop PrimaCare using an entire stack of open source software. I
>>>   
>> was
>> 
>>> invited to present PrimaCare at OSHCA2002 at LA. That was the start
>>>   
>> of
>> 
>>> my association with OSHCA. If one looks at any presentations of
>>> PrimaCare anywhere and anytime, it was never mentioned that
>>>   
>> PrimaCare
>> 
>>> was released under GPL. In fact PrimaCare was never released except
>>>   
>> to
>> 
>>> GPs in Malaysia. My past verbal statements had always been that the
>>> principles underlying the GPL can be applied to the manner we
>>>   
>> currently
>> 
>>> distribute PrimaCare to GPs. However, PCDOM has its legal commitment
>>>   
>> to
>> 
>>> the Malaysian Government, its community being the GPs in Malaysia
>>>   
>> and no
>> 
>>> one else. However, PCDOM is interested in making PrimaCare available
>>>   
>> to
>> 
>>> organisations outside Malaysia under an appropriate open source
>>>   
>> license
>> 
>>> (with Malaysian Govt approval).
>>>   
>> Thank you for that clarification, Dr Cheah. I only wish you had
>> deigned
>> to respond several weeks ago, when these issues were first raised,
>> rather than treat us all with what I can only regard as a truculent
>> silence.
>>

[openhealth] Re: Which list is official?

[Molly Cheah]

Hi Alvin,
Mailing lists are "community driven" in that if there are no interest in 
discussing anything related to open source in health care, the list gets 
quiet. There are no official lists for open source in health care as 
such and I'm sure there are other lists that discuss the subject.

As for OSHCA, there are only 2 "official" lists; one for Committee 
Members and the other for OSHCA members which should discuss OSHCA 
organisational matters. If you remember, [EMAIL PROTECTED] list was 
formed to meet OSHCA conference attendees' request to discuss OSHCA 
proposed projects which may involve non-members, hence the need for a 
separate list as participants of the openhealth list may not be 
interested in OSHCA projects at all. Besides, being discussions on OSHCA 
projects, it is important for OSHCA to be able to manage the list.

There were 4 specific "proposals" with specific names (volunteered and 
accepted) to lead them. As you all know from past postings, one had 
"resigned" or opt out of the lead role. It's difficult for me to keep 
asking, reminding and expecting specific performance from those who 
volunteered and accepted to do specific things. I guess that's the 
"problem" people have when considering acceptance and support for FOSS 
projects. Where is the responsibility and accountability when the 
underlying concept is "freedom to do what you like, when you like etc"? 
With time constraints things don't get done or delivered unless others 
chip in to do things and not just say what should be done. Freedom has 
its price too.

As you're aware, there are so many upcoming activities and I repeat, 
OSHCA is non priority for most people who are too busy with their own 
things.

Rgds,
Molly
Alvin Marcelo wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>I haven't been getting email from oshca. Could someone pls point me to
>the right list?
>
>Thanks...
>
>alvin
>
>
>
>  
>

[openhealth] Interoperability issues at HIMSS in Singapore a week after OSHCA 2007.

[Molly Cheah]

This is a challenge to OSHCA's interoperability efforts. Please 
subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to participate in the FOSS efforts 
co-ordinated by OSHCA.
Go to http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health to 
subscribe.

This is a follow-up to the OSHCA Conference 2007 with the Theme: "Moving 
the FOSS Agenda for Health: Setting the Framework for Interoperability"

Molly

http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/business/0,39044229,62013364,00.htm
*Healthcare must step up IT adoption*
By Isabelle Chan 
,
 
ZDNet Asia
Wednesday, May 16 2007 04:38 PM

*SINGAPORE--Electronic medical records (EMR) may be a reality in some 
parts of the world today, but the healthcare sector would do well to 
adopt more information technologies so as to provide quality patient care.*

Speaking at the opening of the first Healthcare Information and 
Management Systems Society (HIMSS) AsiaPac 2007 conference 
 here Wednesday, Singapore's Minister for 
Health Khaw Boon Wan drove home the message that IT holds the key to 
containing rising healthcare costs and, at the same time, ensuing 
quality healthcare.

"We all say that healthcare providers should treat patients holistically 
as a team, share information about the patients and partner one another 
to bring care to the patients, without duplicating efforts or 
replicating tests.

"Yet, the reality is quite different," Khaw said. "Relatively few 
doctors, clinics and hospitals in the world consistently practise 
pro-active prevention regimes. Many chronically-ill are not receiving 
appropriate care at the appropriate level, and continue to be treated in 
more expensive tertiary settings unnecessarily."

"Seamless, integrated care for patients across the whole healthcare 
ecosystem remains like the Holy Grail--widely sought by many, but still 
a distant, seemingly unattainable goal," he added.

The minister called for greater adoption of IT, noting that the 
healthcare sector was a laggard compared to the high-tech manufacturing 
and financial services industries. "Healthcare, unfortunately, remains 
many steps behind other sectors," he said.

Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA conference 2007 follow-up discussion

[Molly Cheah]

Hi Mark,

(see below)
mspohr wrote:

>Dear Molly,
>It was very good to meet you in Cape Town.  I'm sorry that I was not
>able to arrange to attend the OSHCA conference.
>  
>
Yes. We would have liked to see someone from the Health Matrix Network 
at the conference but there wasn't one.

>This mailing list has been very quiet and I assume that it is because
>you are all busy at the conference.  I was hoping that those of us who
>could not attend would have updates on all of the activities of the
>meeting.
>  
>
Based on our list of more than 150 attendees (some Malaysians only 
attend some sessions), my estimate is that less than one third are 
subscribed to the openhealth list. Many of them are not open source in 
healthcare diehards, hence they're not on the openhealthlist. They are 
beginning to take an interest in FOSS and healthcare as a result of the 
publicity of the OSHCA conference. They're likely to remain on the OSHCA 
mailing list than go on to subscribe to the openhealthlist. OSHCA would 
like to continue to engage them in discussions and to advocate for them 
to test FOSS applications e.g the Malaysian Red Crescent society 
representative who attended the conference decided to deploy SAHANA, the 
disaster management system for their use.

We created a participants list to make announcements and update 
participants on conference scheduling, travel arrangements, visa even 
discussions on expectations of conference,trainees to introduce 
themselves before the conference, even discussions on the VistA FOSS 
Stack Clinics etc. This turned to what the participants wanted to do as 
follow-up of the conference and suggestions were for dedicated mailing 
list to be set-up to move the discussions forward. The presentations 
will be made available at the OSHCA web-portal and its currently being 
re-organised.

>Is there a place where we can get an archive of the sessions,
>presentations, discussions, etc.?
>  
>
The OSHCA web-portal, as soon as those who volunteer to help get that 
done. There was a wiki that was set up, but we did not manage to get 
interenet connection at the conference venue. There was only an internal 
network set up for the wiki to allow participants to document the 
discussions. I don't think the chairmen of the various sessions were 
requested to document the discussions. We had 3 concurrent tracks on the 
first 3 days (except during the plenary sessions) and 2 concurrent 
sessions on Day 4.

>It looks like you are in the process of setting up another list.  I'm
>not clear on how this new list differs in purpose from the
>'OpenHealth' list.  Could this be clarified?
>  
>
This new list is more for discussions on specific OSHCA projects and 
OSHCA activities. I envisage that discussions will also cover technical 
details and the "nitty gritty" aspects of the projects. The openhealth 
list is a general list for discussions on anything on open source in 
healthcare. There are a lot of people there who may not care about or 
interested in OSHCA and its activities at all.

I hope I answered your questions...

Rgds,
Molly

[openhealth] New mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Molly Cheah]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list had been set up, thanks to Soo Hoe.

This list is started as a result of the need to continue the discussions and 
subsequent follow-up activities from the OSHCA Conference 2007 which was held 
in Kuala Lumpur 8-11 May 2007 with the theme:

"Moving the FOSS Agenda for Health: Setting the Framework for Interoperability"

The main topics for follow-up activities are: 

1. Interoperability, Open standards, Data exchange, focusing on "Gap Analysis 
for Data Portability amongst current FOSS health applications".
2. Modelling for capacity building in FOSS for health care in developing 
countries (emphasis of Africa, Latin America and Asia).
3. Cost analysis and comparison of deploying FOSS and proprietary systems in 
health care.

You need to go to to subscribe yourself to the list:

  http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health

I have forwarded all the discussions on interoperability to the new list and 
they should now be in the archives. I suggest that the appropriate name be 
started for new threads in that list.

But I have "not" subscribed anyone to the new list.

The participants list should then be used for mop-up discussions on OSHCA 
Conference 2007.

To post to this list, send your email to:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the
quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions.

Anyone is welcomed to announce this list as widely as possible.

Rgds,
Molly

[openhealth] OSHCA conference 2007 follow-up discussion

[Molly Cheah]

>
> Dear Lee,
>
> Thanks for taking this initiative to put the interoperability question 
> here. Clearly, this mailing list may not be appropriate as people may 
> unsubscribe from this list after the conference. The purpose of this 
> participants list is also for subsequent conferences/workshops.
>
> OSHCA can easily set up another list, not specifically to address 
> interoperability but more for followup discussion and brain storming 
> that took place at the KL Conference so that we don't loose the 
> momentum that was started. I'm grappling with the name of this new 
> discussion list. Here's the suggested list and I invite your views and 
> proposals..
> 1. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 2. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 3. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 4. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (set up but not activated)
> 5. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (set up but not activated, besides there is a 
> openhealth list at yahoogroups that was migrated from the original 
> list at Minoru Corporation while waiting for OSHCA to be registered.)
>
> There are three activities to be followed up, of which funding is 
> available.
>
> 1. Refining the proposal for an Interoperability Grant, focusing on 
> "Gap Analysis for Data Portability amongst current FOSS health 
> applications". Related to this will be the enhancement of the OSHCA 
> Web-portal to provide the electronic working environment for the 
> activities of this proposal  - IOSN ASEAN+3
> Lee's suggestions below will provide the content for this content 
> management system.
>
> 2. Cost analysis and comparison of deploying FOSS and proprietary 
> systems in health care (specifically hospital/clinic/public health 
> systems or a variation of focus) - ?IDRC
> 3. Modelling for capacity building in FOSS for health care in 
> developing countries (emphasis of Africa, Latin America and Asia) - 
> UNU-IGH.
>
> We're working on the membership list to add to the OSHCA members 
> mailing list in preparation for the AGM before the end of 2007. The 
> planned AGM didn't happen during the conference.
>
> Many of you were at the training on the 4th day when future road maps 
> were discussed. So we welcome suggestions here or at the new list to 
> be set up.
>
> Rgds,
> Molly
> Lee Seldon wrote:
>
>> Dear OSHCA leaders,
>>
>> To actually start working on inter-operability, I suggest that OSHCA 
>> set up a separate mailing list. Each application should have 1-2 
>> members - those responsible for implementing inter-operability - on 
>> the list.
>>
>> An informal suggestion - to canvas your opinions on how to move forward:
>> 1) establish a common vocabulary / minimum data set
>>   For this, find a mapping between SNOMED, HL7 v2.x or 3, LOINC, CCR 
>> (ASTM E2369 Continuity of Care Record, as different from the new HL7 
>> Continuity of Care Document), etc. Distribute to the open-source 
>> developers and ask them to map their existing data fields to one or 
>> more of the standard vocabularies. Then find a "greatest common 
>> denominator" of data fields.
>> 2) select a communications standard. (Preferably an XML-based one, 
>> e.g. HL7 v2.3-2.5 XML, HL7 v3, CCR).
>> 3) depending on which standard is selected, implementation will vary
>>
>> 2 major barriers to the adoption of FOSS in healthcare are
>> 1) lack of (IT) training of healthcare workers
>> 2) lack of support for applications
>> To address (1), OSHCA should develop "health informatics" modules 
>> which can be delivered (face-to-face, hands-on and locally) to 
>> healthcare workers in various countries.
>> With a view towards later establishing a "support" network for FOSS 
>> applications (ad 2), I believe that you will need a "commercial" 
>> company that has employees and can sign contracts. E.g. Redhat Linux.
>>
>> Lee
>> ___
>> participants mailing list
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Hotel

[Molly Cheah]

There is only one taxi counter, after you pass the exit after 
disembarking the train and going up the escalator or taking the lift. 
I'll check the exact coupon price and let you know. The logistics chair 
(from KL City Hall)  is arranging with the taxi association (useful 
networking) to facilitate travel from KL Sentral to hotel. You need to 
indicate your requirement for ground transport to hotel in the 
conference reg form. Otherwise we assume you make your own arrangement 
(some people have friends, relatives to provide transport)
Molly
K.S. Bhaskar wrote:

>Molly --
>
>Presumably there are regular metered taxis at taxi stands in Kuala 
>Lumpur, and those are the best bet to get around once we take the train 
>from the airport to KL Sentral?
>
>Are there types of taxis to be avoided (like the green taxis in Mexico 
>City)?
>
>-- Bhaskar
>
>Molly Cheah wrote, On 04/11/2007 06:39 PM:
>  
>
>>A Malaysian friend who arrived at Newark Airport was charged USD350 for
>>a ride from the airport to his hotel. He thought that was the rate.
>>Similarly, you may be asked to pay RM100 from KLIA to your hotel in
>>Cititel in MidValley but by Mercedes that cost RM35+RM20 (KLIA express
>>RM35 and taxi by meter probably RM20.
>>Molly
>>
>>
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Hotel

[Molly Cheah]

Dee Knapp wrote:

>I'll not be able to make the meeting but here is a definition of "tout"..Dee
>
>  
>
Thanx Dee. I was looking forward to see you in KL.
Molly

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Hotel

[Molly Cheah]

A Malaysian friend who arrived at Newark Airport was charged USD350 for 
a ride from the airport to his hotel. He thought that was the rate. 
Similarly, you may be asked to pay RM100 from KLIA to your hotel in 
Cititel in MidValley but by Mercedes that cost RM35+RM20 (KLIA express 
RM35 and taxi by meter probably RM20.
Molly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>>Beware of touts. They're everywhere.
>>
>>
>
>Dare I ask what a "tout" is?
>
>Ron
>
>
>  
>

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Hotel

[Molly Cheah]

Yes. There is negotiated rates (its in the conf registration form)

> Hotel Accommodation : *Superior Room *@ *RM180.00 nett per room per 
> night *
>
> * Deluxe Room @ RM230.00 nett per room per night *
>
> * Deluxe Studio @ RM300.00 nett per room per night*
>
> * (rates inclusive of breakfast)*
>
Current exchange rate is RM3.45:USD1

Can someone put this information on the oshca web-site too, including 
KLIA Express from KLIA to KL Sentral (28 minutes on a train for RM35). 
Logistics will make arrangements for KL Sentral to Federal Hotel 
(approx. RM15 by taxi and less by monorail)

For those arriving by low cost carrier at LCCT, the airbus is RM9 from 
LCCT to KL Sentral.

Beware of touts. They're everywhere.

Molly
K.S. Bhaskar wrote:

>Can someone please confirm that the OSHCA hotel is:
>
>The Federal
>35, Jalan Bukit Bintang, 55100 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>Tel : (603) 2148 9166
>Fax: (603) 2148 2877
>http://www.federal.com.my/
>
>Also, is there a special rate negotiated for OSHCA participants or 
>should we just contact the hotel and ask for their best rate?
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>Regards
>-- Bhaskar
>
>
> 
>  
>

[openhealth] OSHCA Conference 2007 - May 8-11 2007

[Molly Cheah]

Dear all,

Calling all those who wish to participate or plan to attend the OSHCA 
Conference 2007 from 8-11 May, please go to
http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/participants to subscribe 
to the list in order to receive updates and further information on the 
conference.

Please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for enquiries or clarifications on 
funding possibilities, registration requirements etc. Forms for 
registration and travel cost estimates (for those requesting for 
financial support) can be downloaded from the OSHCA web-site and the 
Openhealth list. The programme flyer and more detailed programme should 
be available to the participants list as well from next week, if not 
earlier.

Please assist OSHCA to disseminate this information to other lists 
deemed appropriate.

We also call on organisations to support this conference by sending 
participants to the conference and to assist in providing financial 
support to others.
Currently financial support comes from:
IDRC,
IOSN ASEAN+3
IOSN South Asia
InWEnt, Germany for capacity building in use of FOSS by Asian programmers

As a reminder, here's some information on the Conference.

> *Background*
>
> Open Source Health Care Alliance (OSHCA) had successfully provided a 
> forum for individuals interested in applying open source strategy and 
> principles to Health Information and Communication Technologies (ICT). 
> While OSHCA's roots are in North America and Europe its vision is the 
> realization that “Free/Open Source Health Care Software will provide a 
> viable and sustainable alternative in mainstream ICT worldwide. OSHCA 
> believes that the greatest potential for positive impact on health 
> outcomes and the greatest need lies in the developing world.
>
> This 4-day conference will therefore provide the meeting place for the 
> members to define OSHCA's road map to move the FOSS Agenda for Health, 
> including conceptualizing and defining OSHCA's role in managing FOSS 
> collaboration. The conference will also provide an opportunity to 
> share and provide updates on FOSS applications and technologies used 
> in health care . During the conference, issues related to FOSS, open 
> standards, interoperability and data exchange will also be discussed 
> on. The conference will also have training sessions for new Asian 
> programmers to learn FOSS concepts and health data interoperability, 
> besides providing the opportunity to strengthen OSHCA's membership.
>
>
> *The benefits and outcome of this conference will be:*
>
>*
>
>   Opportunity for establishing collaboration in the FOSS community
>   in the deployment of FOSS health care applications in the
>   developing countries
>
>*
>
>   Opportunity for OSHCA to co-ordinate the interconnectivity among
>   these systems with the goal of making them interoperable with
>   the ability to exchange data as a specific response to the MDGs
>
>*
>
>   Participants will be more knowledgeable of FOSS health care
>   applications and technologies used in Health IT especially
>   towards the use of open standards towards data sharing.
>
>*
>
>   establish a community network of developing countries to
>   participate in a global collaboration effort for the development
>   and improvement of open source health care applications.
>
>*
>
>   initiate & facilitate education, training and technology
>   transfer on concepts and approaches to open standards
>   implementation for health ICT's to establish interoperability
>   between open source health ICTs and existing health ICT
>   infrastructure– R&D to test interoperability, interchange of
>   data and standards.
>
>*
>
>   Training new developers in applying FOSS concepts , health care
>   applications and health data interoperability
>
>*
>
>   Strengthening OSHCA membership and developing the strategic
>   goals of OSHCA in readiness for realizing OSHCA's role in
>   managing FOSS collaborative services.
>
>
> *Target Audience*
>
>
> This conference targets interested open source Health ICT adopters and 
> potential adopters, from developers to end-users, including senior 
> management both from public and private sectors.
>
We look forward to seeing as many people as possible in Kuala Lumpur.

Molly,
on behalf of OSHCA Conference 2007 Organising Committee


 
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[openhealth] Procedure for those requiring visa for Malaysia

[Molly Cheah]

>
>
>
> 
>
> Subject:
> RE: Visa requirement for visiting Malaysia - signed document
> From:
> "Enquiry Centre 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:
> Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:29:19 +0800
>
> To:
> "Molly Cheah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC:
> "Enquiry Centre 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> Dear Madam,
>  
>  
> Visa application can be made online at www.imi.gov.my 
> <http://www.imi.gov.my>. Visitors to Malaysia can apply tourist visas 
> through this facility. The facility is currently open to all 
> registered agents from the People's Republic of China and India who 
> are registered with the Immigration Department of Malaysia. Others can 
> download IM 47 form and send it to the nearest Malaysia High 
> Commission. Signature is required.
> For more information on visa and entry requirement please contact 
> Immigration Department at [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  
> Wish you a success in OSHCA conference and a warm welcome to all the 
> participants.
>  
> Thank  you and best regards
> Husna Azit
> Enquiry Team
>  
>  
>  
>
> 
> *From:* Molly Cheah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wed 3/28/2007 17:40
> *To:* enquiries
> *Subject:* Visa requirement for visiting Malaysia - signed document
>
> Tuan,
>
> I would like to get clarification regarding getting visa for Malaysia. I
> am organising a conference (OSHCA Conference 2007) from 8-11 May in KL.
> See http://www.oshca.org/conference/Conference2007
> I plan to organise a sightseeing trip to a beach resort after the
> conference for the weekend.
> I was given to understand that participants to the conference need to
> produce a signed formal document as was in this mailing list discussion...
>
> I'm just wondering how we can do that when we rely on electronic
> communications for organising our conference.
>
> Can I have clarification for this signature requirement?
>
> To get a visa we need a formal document to show that
> there is a conference with dates and signed by
> someone.
>
> Nandalal
> --- Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > *Visa Requirements for Travel To Malaysia*
> >
> > Your passport must be valid for at least 6 months...
> >
> > http://www.imi.gov.my/eng/perkhidmatan/im_Permit.asp
> >
> > *ENTRY AND VISA REQUIREMENTS - MALAYSIA* 
> >
> > No visa is required for nationals of Commonwealth
> > countries (except
> > Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and
> > Nigeria), Republic of
> > Ireland, Switzerland, Netherlands, San Marino, and
> > Liechtenstein. 
>
> Dr Molly Cheah
> President, OSHCA
>

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Conference May 8-11 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia - Passport and Visa Planning

[Molly Cheah]

Right. Malaysia is one of the most liberal for visa requirement :)
Look forward to see you again. We're planning a beach retreat 
post-conference. Watch out for announcements
Rgds,
Molly
David Chan wrote:

>Nothing for Canada?
>David
> 
>David H Chan, MD, CCFP, MSc, FCFP
>Associate Professor
>Department of Family Medicine
>McMaster University
>
>----- Original Message 
>From: Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: openhealth@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:11:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Conference May 8-11 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia - 
>Passport and Visa Planning
>
>*Visa Requirements for Travel To Malaysia*
>
>Your passport must be valid for at least 6 months...
>
>http://www.imi.gov.my/eng/perkhidmatan/im_Permit.asp
>
>*ENTRY AND VISA REQUIREMENTS - MALAYSIA*  
>
>No visa is required for nationals of Commonwealth countries (except 
>Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Nigeria), Republic of 
>Ireland, Switzerland, Netherlands, San Marino, and Liechtenstein.  
>
>No visa is required for a stay not exceeding three months for nationals 
>of Albania, Algeria, Argentina, Austria, Bahrain, Belgium, Brazil, 
>Bosnia Herzegovina, Chile, Croatia, Cuba, Czech Republic, Denmark, 
>Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Jordan, 
>Kyrgyzstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Luxembourg,  Norway, Oman, Peru, Poland, 
>Qatar, Romania, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Slovakia, 
>Tunisia, Turkey, U.A.E., Uruguay, and Yemen.
>
>No visa is required for U.S.A. citizens visiting Malaysia for social, 
>business or academic purposes (except for local employment).  
>
>No visa is required for a stay of not more than one month for nationals 
>of all ASEAN countries and Hong Kong (Special Administrative Region), 
>Macau (Special Administrative Region), British National Overseas (BNO) 
>and North Korea.
>
> For a stay exceeding one month, a visa will be required, for nationals 
>of Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Myanmar, Indonesia, Cambodia and the 
>Philippines.  
>
>No visa is required for a stay not exceeding 14 days for nationals of 
>Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Macau (travel permit) and 
>Portugal Alien Passport.  
>
>Nationals of Bangladesh, Bhutan, Peoples Republic of China, India,  
>Nepal, Niger, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Angola, Burkina Faso, Burundi, 
>Cameroon,  Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Congo 
>Republic, Cote D'Ivoire, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, 
>Guinea Republic, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Madagascar, Mali, Mauritania, 
>Mozambique, Rwanda, Senegal,  Western Sahara, Taiwan, Laisser Passer 
>holders, Certificate of Identity Holders and Titre De Voyage must obtain 
>a visa before entering Malaysia.  
>
>Citizens of Israel and Yugoslavia are required to apply for Special 
>Approval from the Ministry of Home Affairs before entering Malaysia.  
>
>Citizens or nationals other than stated above do not require a visa for 
>social/business visit for stay not exceeding one month. The above entry 
>regulations are subject to change, and were correct at the end of 
>January, 2005
>
>These Regulations are subject to change. If in doubt, check with your 
>nearest Malaysian consular office. (all care but no responsibility)
>
>Molly
>
>
>  
>

Re: [openhealth] Won t be there

[Molly Cheah]

Philippe AMELINE wrote:

>Molly,
>
>I remember the moment when we exchanged about all this before OSHCA was 
>registered.
>However I don't remember having seen when and how it was possible to 
>become a member. I may not have read the proper messages.
>  
>
We announced the registration of OSHCA last year on this openhealth list 
but we didn't have the opportunity to publicise OSHCA as it was not the 
appropriate subject matter on this list. We set up the OSHCA web-portal 
by then and all information on membership is available there.

>Can you tell me how I can become an OSHCA member?
>  
>
I'll send you the membership form offlist.

>Anyway, as Joseph pointed out, it is actually wiser to create a EU OSHCA 
>before I can think of a French subsidiary. You will probably talk about 
>this in KL.
>
>Regards,
>
>Philippe
>  
>
Please note that only OSHCA members in benefit can form OSHCA chapters 
in the 7 regions. The constitution provides for this:
There shall be a provision for the designated regions to establish 
regional Chapters and/or Country branches to further the aims and 
objects of OSHCA. Therefore, their stated aims and objectives must be 
consistent with that of OSHCA’s. The designated regions are: Africa & 
Middle East, North America, Latin America & Caribbean, Europe, Eastern 
Europe & Central Asia, Asia and Oceania.

Molly


 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Conference May 8-11 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia - Passport and Visa Planning

[Molly Cheah]

I have sent off an enquiry to the authorities regarding this requirement 
for a signed formal document to apply for visa.
Molly
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:

>To get a visa we need a formal document to show that
>there is a conference with dates and signed by
>someone.
>
>Nandalal
>--- Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>*Visa Requirements for Travel To Malaysia*
>>
>>Your passport must be valid for at least 6 months...
>>
>>http://www.imi.gov.my/eng/perkhidmatan/im_Permit.asp
>>
>>*ENTRY AND VISA REQUIREMENTS - MALAYSIA*  
>>
>>No visa is required for nationals of Commonwealth
>>countries (except 
>>Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and
>>Nigeria), Republic of 
>>Ireland, Switzerland, Netherlands, San Marino, and
>>Liechtenstein.  
>>
>>
>>

Re: [openhealth] Who should come to OSHCA 2007 Conference?

[Molly Cheah]

Hi Bill,

Your question on attendance is now timely as we move our focus to 
attendance by "end users". Up till now we were discussing funding, 
support etc to bring the presentation of FOSS applications to the 
conference. We're targetting 150-200 participants, out of whom 20-30 are 
the "promoters" of the applications, maybe a similar number of 
programmers, new and young ones to learn from the "old" and experienced 
and the rest are "end users" who will include people who are responsible 
for procurement of applications / systems for hospitals, clinics etc.

We wish to ensure that as wide a range of FOSS health applications are 
on "display" at the conference. At the same time everyone gets to 
discuss and share technologies in healthcare, issues that are important 
to FOSS in healthcare etc.

In fact I was just talking to someone from the Malaysian Health 
Informatics Association (MHIA) who is also the secretary of the Asia 
Pacific Association of Medical Informatics this afternoon and he wanted 
to know if its OK to have a "debate" between open source and proprietary 
systems at the conference. I told him to submit an abstract and organise 
that "debate". Maybe use case studies from facilities (e.g. hospitals) 
using proprietary or open source solutions and discuss issues related to 
deployment, training, support, customization, localization, enhancement 
etc. That would be fun!

I sincerely hope you will attend the conference, perhaps get more 
participants from IPPF especially in developing countries to attend as 
well. I'm hoping that the Technical Committee will come out with the 
list of applications that will be presented at the conference quite soon 
to stimulate interest for would-be-attendees.

Look forward to see you in KL. You'll have the opportunity to meet 
people like Dr Raj Karim, Dr Toan etc from the IPPF Office in KL.

Rgds,
Molly
William Lester wrote:

>While I've been a lurker on the openhealth listserv for a while, I have
>been paying attention to all the conversations, especially around the
>upcoming OSHCA 2007 Conference. In a recent meeting with the CIO of
>International Planned Parenthood, we wondered out loud whether we should
>consider attending the conference.
>
> 
>
>We are users of open source medical records and clinic management
>systems. We build/buy/install various applications and work with our
>staff to implement reasonable solutions. We face lots of challenges,
>especially around our work in developing countries in low resource
>settings. We are looking for new solutions, and want to meet those who
>work in the world of health applications and who understand our problems
>and our needs.
>
> 
>
>Yet in all the discussions around the 2007 conference, we've seen
>nothing that we would indicate that we fit the demographics of someone
>you'd want at your conference. It seems to be focused on developers and
>not on end users. So my question is "Is this conference appropriate for
>end users of your systems? What would we get out of attending the
>conference?"
>
> 
>
>Thanks for your consideration.
>
> 
>
>Bill Lester
>
> 
>
>William (Bill) Lester
> 
>Chief Information Officer
>EngenderHealth | 440 Ninth Avenue | New York City | 10001 | US 
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Re: [openhealth] Won t be there

[Molly Cheah]

There has been an oshca mailing list for sometime now. All those who 
fill up the membership form during the inaugural meeting are subscribed 
to it. The new members who had filled up the forms and paid their 
subscription to me (as in list in the receipt generator) had not been 
subscribed yet as I have no time to do it.

Molly
Joseph Dal Molin wrote:

> given that all OSHCA members will not be able to attend the meeting 
>in KL, how about setting up an OSHCA members only list so everyone who 
>is a member can begin discussing this and any other OSHCA member 
>specific ideas, issues etc.
>
>Joseph
>
>Molly Cheah wrote:
>
>  
>
>>OSHCA has a provision for setting up regional chapters in its 
>>constitution. However only OSHCA members have the right to set up these 
>>chapters. The community had very extensive discussions on this before 
>>OSHCA was registered i.e.that members put the main organisation on a 
>>sound footing first before the regional chapters are to be established. 
>>In fact I would like to see this discussed under "Getting OSHCA 
>>Organised" among OSHCA members at the coming OSHCA AGM during the 
>>upcoming conference in KL.
>>
>>Rgds,
>>Molly
>>
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Re: [openhealth] oshca committee

[Molly Cheah]

Hi Thomas,

I changed your subject matter because OSHCAdotorg is working. I 
understand your current situation. However, there is no necessity to 
resign as all committee positions lapse at the coming AGM on May 11 2007 
when the AGM will vote in the new OSHCA Committee. The current one is 
still the protem committee.

It's unfortunate that you will not be able to attend the conference as 
the conference theme on Interoperability and open standards are your 
passionate subjects. However, it will be good if you can promote the 
conference to your circle of friends and colleagues. If you know of 
anyone who can contribute to the presentation at the conference, please 
feel free to suggest.

Rgds,
Molly
Thomas Beale wrote:

>>Dear Molly,
>>  
>>
>>
>
>I have been silent for some weeks due to a very heavy workload. It turns 
>out that I will not be able to attend the conference in person, due to a 
>serious family health problem with one of the directors, which has 
>essentially caused the re-arrangement of my timetable for the next few 
>months.
>
>I apologise for this late information, but it has been unavoidable. It 
>may be appropriate for me to resign my position in OSHCA; I will take 
>your advice on this.
>
>Let me know if I can do anything in support of the ongoing efforts.
>
>best regards,
>
>- thomas beale
>
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Re: [openhealth] Won t be there

[Molly Cheah]

Philippe AMELINE wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend the conference.
>I am just starting a consulting activity and can't afford not working 
>all this time.
>  
>
Thanks OK. After all when you submitted your initial interest to me you 
did indicate that the timing may not be right.

>Have you considered allowing some remote-conference facilities ?
>Just a thought (I understand it is quite a complex organization).
>  
>
We will consider the possibility of the remote conference facilities but 
cost may be the deciding factor

>I would also like to discuss the opportunity to create a "French Oshca 
>subsidiary". What is the current policy for this (if any)?
>  
>
OSHCA has a provision for setting up regional chapters in its 
constitution. However only OSHCA members have the right to set up these 
chapters. The community had very extensive discussions on this before 
OSHCA was registered i.e.that members put the main organisation on a 
sound footing first before the regional chapters are to be established. 
In fact I would like to see this discussed under "Getting OSHCA 
Organised" among OSHCA members at the coming OSHCA AGM during the 
upcoming conference in KL.

Rgds,
Molly

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA history

[Molly Cheah]

Hi Bud. Sure. I put in what I knew. Just construct the paragraph of what 
you wish to have posted that reflected what you did and send it to me. 
Perhaps you should make an attempt to attend the OSHCA conference 2007 
in KL. The special fares for Visit Malaysia Year should make the trip 
affordable for you - an experience trip and the opportunity to meet old 
friends :). Hotel is approx. 39 Euro per day nett single or twin with 
buffet breakfast. Conference registration is approx. 76 Euro for 4 days 
event with almost all meals thrown in and you get to hear what's current 
in FOSS in Healthcare. Hope to see you in KL.

A special to the beach is on the cards (planning) after the conference - 
May 12-14 or 15?. (feedback please!) for those interested.
Rgds,
Molly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Hi Molly,
>
>maybe you remember me.  Changed to a diffent life these days and just by
>chance looked at OSHCA mails again and just for couriosity--all my
>financially viabile things are worlds away from open source health care
>these days--I'm all the way into open source for electronic Identity Cards
>these days, sometimes even reverting to just common sense in this domain
>even without open ource...
>
>But anyhow, I looked at the history section of OSHCA and was wondering
>whether some of the things I did could be mentioned there.  After all, I
>organized the foundation meeting of OSHCA at FAO, was the initial author
>of its Charter (before incorporation) and payed quite a bit out of my own
>personal pocket to make things happen (I diverted quite a bit of the FAO
>contract to paying for OSHCA activities instead of putting it in my own
>pocket)...
>
>Do you think there is any chance to add my name to the history section of
>OSHCA?
>
>best cheers
>-bud
>
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Documents

[Molly Cheah]

Thanks Christian for uploading these forms. Perhaps I should explain 
that the travel expense estimates are to be completed by those who seek 
to get financial support to attend the OSHCA Conference 2007 from May 
8-11 in Kuala Lumpur. Priority will be given to presenters/trainers who 
had or will submit abstract(s) for their presentation. Annoucements to 
this effect had been made on this list as well as other lists before. 
Priority will also be given to OSHCA members or would-be-OSHCA members, 
individuals or from non-profit organisations. "Small-fit" or up-start 
for-profit organisations will be considered for major expense support 
(partial scholarship for items like airfare, hotel), if the technical 
committee feels that their presence and presentation will benefit the 
conference participants. For your information, Conference registration 
is approx. USD100 (MYR350) per person that also covered lunch and 2 
tea/coffee breaks with snacks for 4 days.

I would like to mention here that support for such scholarships is only 
possible through the generousity of the Research Support Grant from 
IDRC, Canada (thanks to Laurent Elder who is on this list) and 
UNDP-APDIP's IOSN Asean+3 programme (thanks to Alvin Marcelo who is also 
on this list) Alvin is also working with OSHCA to organise a training 
programme for at least 20 new programmers from Asia in our capacity 
building initiative with funding from InWEnt, Germany. This programme 
will be carried out during concurrent sessions on the 4th day of the 
conference. We are still finalising the training content which will 
focus on FOSS concepts and Health Data Interoperability. I would welcome 
the presenters and participants coming for the conference to volunteer 
to be trainers if appropriate. Apart from the committee members having 
to volunteer their time to "manage" the conference (hence a different 
form for committee), others who wish to also volunteer are encouraged to 
do so. The Logistics Committee will come out with a "to-do" list for 
"before and during" the conference.

Please e-mail me (or Alvin) directly for information on availability of 
other funding sources, depending on where you are coming from e.g IOSN 
South Asia.

My apologies that the OSHCA web-portal is painfully slow, so we will try 
to upload any updated conference programme and annoucements here as 
well. A separate mailing list called [EMAIL PROTECTED] had been 
created (thanks to Soo Hoe) for those who will be attending the OSHCA 
conference to receive updates and announcements regarding the 
conference. Subsequently all those who register to attend the conference 
using form-002 will be subscribed to the list. There are several people 
who will be attending the conference but are not on this openhealth 
list. The settings for the list are:
- all members can post without moderation
- people can subscribe and unsubscribe by themselves
- list archive publicly viewable
If you wish to subscribe to this mailing list, go to the participants ml 
webpage at http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/admin.cgi/participants
and subscribe or if you have problem, let me know so that I can 
subscribe you to the list.

Apologies for this lengthy post.
Rgds,
Molly
Christian Heller wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have uploaded three documents to the OpenHealth Site at Yahoo:
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/files/oshca/
>
>The documents are for:
>- OSHCA Conference 2007 registration
>- Obtaining Travel Expense Estimate for Non-Committee Members
>- Obtaining Travel Expense Estimate for Committee Members
>
>Christian
>
>  
>

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Conference May 8-11 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia - Passport and Visa Planning

[Molly Cheah]

*Visa Requirements for Travel To Malaysia*

Your passport must be valid for at least 6 months...

http://www.imi.gov.my/eng/perkhidmatan/im_Permit.asp

*ENTRY AND VISA REQUIREMENTS - MALAYSIA*  

No visa is required for nationals of Commonwealth countries (except 
Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Nigeria), Republic of 
Ireland, Switzerland, Netherlands, San Marino, and Liechtenstein.  

No visa is required for a stay not exceeding three months for nationals 
of Albania, Algeria, Argentina, Austria, Bahrain, Belgium, Brazil, 
Bosnia Herzegovina, Chile, Croatia, Cuba, Czech Republic, Denmark, 
Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Jordan, 
Kyrgyzstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Luxembourg,  Norway, Oman, Peru, Poland, 
Qatar, Romania, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Slovakia, 
Tunisia, Turkey, U.A.E., Uruguay, and Yemen.

No visa is required for U.S.A. citizens visiting Malaysia for social, 
business or academic purposes (except for local employment).  

No visa is required for a stay of not more than one month for nationals 
of all ASEAN countries and Hong Kong (Special Administrative Region), 
Macau (Special Administrative Region), British National Overseas (BNO) 
and North Korea.

 For a stay exceeding one month, a visa will be required, for nationals 
of Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Myanmar, Indonesia, Cambodia and the 
Philippines.  

No visa is required for a stay not exceeding 14 days for nationals of 
Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Macau (travel permit) and 
Portugal Alien Passport.  

Nationals of Bangladesh, Bhutan, Peoples Republic of China, India,  
Nepal, Niger, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Angola, Burkina Faso, Burundi, 
Cameroon,  Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Congo 
Republic, Cote D'Ivoire, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, 
Guinea Republic, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Madagascar, Mali, Mauritania, 
Mozambique, Rwanda, Senegal,  Western Sahara, Taiwan, Laisser Passer 
holders, Certificate of Identity Holders and Titre De Voyage must obtain 
a visa before entering Malaysia.  

Citizens of Israel and Yugoslavia are required to apply for Special 
Approval from the Ministry of Home Affairs before entering Malaysia.  

Citizens or nationals other than stated above do not require a visa for 
social/business visit for stay not exceeding one month. The above entry 
regulations are subject to change, and were correct at the end of 
January, 2005

These Regulations are subject to change. If in doubt, check with your 
nearest Malaysian consular office. (all care but no responsibility)

Molly


Joseph Dal Molin wrote:

>For anyone considering attending the upcoming OSHCA conference please 
>ensure that you have looked into the visa and passport requirements for 
>your country. Expedia UK provides a good guide.here:
>
>http://www.expedia.co.uk/daily/wg/P42138.asp?CCheck=1&;
>
>and something important to plan for:
>
>"Passports: A valid passport or other travel documents recognised by the 
>Malaysian government required by all. The former must have enough pages 
>for the embarkation stamp upon arrival and be valid for at least six 
>months at date of entry. The latter should be endorsed with a valid 
>re-entry permit. If not in possession of a passport or travel document, 
>a Document in lieu of Passport must be obtained from any Malaysian 
>Representation Office. Holders of travel documents such as a Certificate 
>of Identity, a Laisser Passer, a Titre de Voyage or a Country’s 
>Certificate of Residence must ensure guarantee of return to country that 
>issued the documents or the national’s country of residence."
>
>Cheers,
>
>Joseph
>OSHCA, Conference Technical Committee
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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>



 
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[openhealth] oshca dot org is down

[Molly Cheah]

Apologies that the OSHCA web-portal is down since yesterday because of 
the internet connection is down. We hope to get the connection up as 
soon as I have response from our ISP provider. It also means that we are 
unable to receive any e-mails to the mailing list at oshca.org. For 
crucial communication please e-mail directly to me [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
especially with regards to the upcoming OSHCA Conference 2007 in May.

Rgds,
Molly

Re: [openhealth] Re: Qualitative Research in Health Informatics was:Webmergence

[Dr Molly Cheah]

Hi Tim,
How have you been? You're aware of the upcoming OSHCA conference in KL 
from 8-11 May? Why don't you present this paper that you're writing at 
the conference? There is funding for travel, hotel, food. Just send 
an abstract of less than 250 words to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hope to see you in KL.

Rgds,
Molly
Tim Cook wrote:

> 3. This jump is most important to my forthcoming paper; "Resolving
>The Blame Game: A look at physician acceptance of information
>technology"
>
>I'll provide a link here when ready for publication.
>
>
>Regards,
>Tim
>
>
>
>
>  
>

Re: [openhealth] Experimental OSHCA catalogue of FOSS application for health and healthcare

[Molly Cheah]

Tim,

When I click this Trial SIMILE link, it opens on same window and does 
not take me back to the previous page, http://www.oshca.org/healthdir/
Maybe its better to make it open on a separate window.
Trial SIMILE Exhibit listing of free, open-source applications for 
health and health care 
http://www.oshca.org/healthdir/foss_health.html

Rgds,
Molly
Tim Churches wrote:

>I have quickly put together an experimental OSHCA catalogue of FOSS
>application for health and healthcare, using The MIT SIMILE Semantic Web
>research lab's fabulous Exhibit and Timeline products (open source of
>course).
>
>See http://www.oshca.org/healthdir/
>
>If you would like to add other free, open-source health applications or
>projects, or edit any of the existing data, please see the JSON data
>file also listed on that page. Edit the relevant section or copy a
>section and edit it to reflect your application, and email me just that
>section - just pasted intot he body of an email message will do, doesn't
>have to be an attachment. Eventually an online catalogue maintenance
>facility can be built (volunteers welcome), but for now hand editing of
>the JSON file (by me or volunteers) will have to do. Feel free to add
>new data fields if you edit the data file.
>
>Tim C
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

[openhealth] OSHCA Conference & possible use of FOSS Inter-Regional Exchange Grants

[Dr Molly Cheah]

OSHCA Conference - reminder announcement May 8 -11 2007, Federal Hotel, 
Kuala Lumpur
http://oshca.org/conference/Conference2007

Feel free to re-post this to other mailling lists.

The OSHCA Conference Programme will provide you with the opportunity to 
showcase your FOSS projects, share your FOSS experiences, FOSS 
technologies and issues in FOSS in healthcare. We have secured funding 
to help those who would otherwise not be able to attend make the trip. 
Support would cover travel and hotel accommodation at conference venue. 
The OSHCA Committee is current working out the criteria and guidelines 
to qualify for such support.

However, we would not know who are interested to come unless you tell 
us! Send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following information:

For presenters and trainers:
Subject: Presentation/training.
Provide a short abstract (less than 250 words) and/or subject matter for 
training (FOSS concepts, technologies & health data interoperability)

For participants and trainees:
Subject: Participation/trainee.
Provide a one page write-up of why you should attend the OSHCA 
conference with travel and accommodation paid for you. Please also 
provide us with an estimate of your travel costs (low fare carriers if 
available) so that we can maximise the benefits to more people.

FOSS Inter-Regional Exchange Grants are available at 
http://www.iosn.net/exchange-grants/?searchterm=exchange%20grants
if you wish to available yourself of it directly.

Conference Programme

*Day 1*

Morning: Presentations of FOSS applications in Healthcare - updates

Afternoon: Workshop on technologies in health softwares

Welcome reception (tentative)

*Day 2*

Morning: Papers on Issues on FOSS in Healthcare

Afternoon: Workshop on Issues in FOSS in Healthcare

Informal Night Programme

*Day 3*

Morning: Papers on role of collaborative knowledge services and its 
applications

Afternoon: Workshop on data interoperability and data exchange

Own programme including shopping

*Day 4*

Morning: Foss concepts & Health data interoperability (parallel session)

Morning: OSHCA - Role in a Global Health Agenda for Sustainable Development

OSHCA AGM

Afternoon: Workshop - Getting OSHCA organised

Afternoon: Foss concepts & Health data interoperability (parallel session)

OSHCA Dinner

Rgds,
Molly


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [openhealth] Re: Hi folks.. OSHCA conference

[Dr Molly Cheah]

Thanks for your offer Paul. You've probably missed OSHCA's call for 
presentation at its coming conference from May 8-11 2007 in Kuala 
Lumpur. The date had been changed from May 1 to accommodate request from 
those who wish to attend HIMSS Asia-Pacific in S'pore.

We're making some changes to the programme to include a training 
component for new Asian FOSS programmers (the contents are being worked 
out), again focussing on data exchange and interoperability. Our major 
funders (as of now) will be IDRC and UNDP-APDIP's IOSN (ASEAN+3).

Naturally we welcome other assistance not only financial support but 
more crucially presentations of FOSS applications, other resources for 
expertise to impart their knowledge on the wide ranging topics of FOSS 
in healthcare.

Here is a repeat of the call, with the new confirmed dates. We have also 
confirmed the venue as the Federal Hotel, Kuala Lumpur offering us a 
hotel rate of MYR180 nett per room (single/twin-sharing with breakfast). 
At current exchange rate of approx. 3.5 its only USD52 per day.

We're working out with our funders to make available scholarships for 
FOSS advocates who can't afford to come on their own, but feel strongly 
that they would like to share their expertise, experience and 
collaborate with their developing world FOSS enthusiasts especially from 
the Asian region.

So, we would like to welcome anyone to register their interests with us 
asap to help us plan the conference in a better way. I'm off travelling 
for a week and may not be able to respond regularly, but there are 
others on the OSHCA conference technical committee who will do so.

Please bear with us on the slowness of the OSHCA web portal. It's 
temporarily hosted on the MCTC's server from my office, as upto now we 
don't have any funding for OSHCA except for some subscription received 
so far. In the meantime, we'll update using this list.


Moving the FOSS Agenda for Health: Setting the Framework for
Interoperability

*8-11 May 2007
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia*

Call for Presentations OSHCA 2007 - Annual Open Source Health Care 
Alliance Meeting

This four-day conference provides the opportunity for Free/Open Source 
Software (FOSS) applications in healthcare, its updates and the use of 
FOSS technologies to be presented to participants particularly from the 
developing countries of the Asia-Pacific region. The target audience, in 
addition to the FOSS in Healthcare Community, will include interested 
persons from Ministries of Health and Private Health Care Facilities 
from this region.

The conference agenda will also include presentations and workshops on a 
variety of issues focussing on interoperability and data exchange. Major 
concerns on affordability and developing human capacity in the 
promotion, adoption and the use of FOSS applications will be deliberated on.

There will also be concurrent sessions for training of new FOSS 
programmers in health care to be scheduled during the conference.

To register your interest in presenting your applications, please email 
a brief description of your application (not more than 250 words) and 
its reference url in plain text or XHTML to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

OSHCA Committee will decide on the final programme, logistics etc.
For updated information on the conference status and registration 
information as it becomes available please visit the conference site at: 
http://oshca.org/conference/conf2007/

In the meantime, please register your interests asap to enable us to 
plan the conference agenda.

Molly
Paul wrote:

>Hi Molly, I'm one of the co-founders of OpenMRS.  Let me know how I
>can be helpful to you.  Still trying to catch up with the community
>here, and it seems I need to do some due diligence on OSHCA.
>
>Best,
>-Paul
>
>--- In openhealth@yahoogroups.com, Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>You're right, Nandalal. I was given the contact to the OpenMRS to
>>
>>
>invite 
>  
>
>>them to the OSHCA conference in May by the new director of ICT for IDRC 
>>as I understand that the project in Africa is quite exciting. As
>>
>>
>soon as 
>  
>
>>I get a firm commitment on the funding for scholarships for those 
>>outside the ASEAN region, I'll get in touch with them.
>>
>>Rgds,
>>Molly
>>Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>This is just the type of discussion we should have in
>>>the May OSHCA Conference!!
>>>
>>>"FOSS interoperability - from theory to practice"
>>>
>>>Nandalal
>>>--- David Forslund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>>Tim Churches wrote:
>>>>   
>&

Re: [openhealth] Re: Hi folks..

[Molly Cheah]

You're right, Nandalal. I was given the contact to the OpenMRS to invite 
them to the OSHCA conference in May by the new director of ICT for IDRC 
as I understand that the project in Africa is quite exciting. As soon as 
I get a firm commitment on the funding for scholarships for those 
outside the ASEAN region, I'll get in touch with them.

Rgds,
Molly
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:

>This is just the type of discussion we should have in
>the May OSHCA Conference!!
>
>"FOSS interoperability - from theory to practice"
>
>Nandalal
>--- David Forslund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Tim Churches wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Paul wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
Hi Dave,

Our API is built around the standard health


>>"objects" within the
>>
>>
OpenMRS data model (ie, person, encounter, order,


>>observation, etc) ,
>>
>>
as a way of abstracting out CRUD-type operations


>>to the database. 
>>
>>
There are layers of API calls on top of this


>>bedrock which provide
>>
>>
business type functionality (user authentication,


>>medical logic
>>
>>
services, etc).  Maybe I'm misunderstanding your


>>question, but
>>
>>
wouldn't "standard" APIs necessitate that the


>>database schemas
>>
>>
underneath those calls are represented the same


>>as well?
>>
>>

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Conference Topics

[Molly Cheah]

Klaus,

Thanks once again. Can you please submit a short half page abstract with 
relevant title of presentation to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't want to preamp the technical committee's decisions, but I'm sure 
looking at open standards for interoperability from the HL7 perspective 
would be most interesting especially if we can also look at constraint 
issues to balance against advantages in its use.

Rgds,
Molly
Klaus Veil wrote:

>Molly,
> 
>There has been much progress since 2001 - so much of the content will be
>new.  However, I will again focus of what interoperability standards mean
>for the FOSS community.
> 
>Klaus
>
>  _  
>
>From: openhealth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Molly Cheah
>Sent: Monday, 5 February 2007 20:10
>To: openhealth@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Conference Topics
>
>
>
>Hi Klaus,
>
>You mean as what you did in 2001?
>http://oshca. <http://oshca.org/oshca/history/oldweb/meet2001>
>org/oshca/history/oldweb/meet2001
>
>I would suggest that the technical committee members take note of 
>Klaus's proposals. And thanks Klaus.
>
>Molly
>Klaus Veil wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Christian,
>>
>>I'd be happy to contribute something on HL7 and would also help to get
>>speakers for the other standards.
>>
>>I do think we need a short session on terminology, as this has the main
>>focus now. As you may be aware, SNOMED is in the process of being
>>transformed into a more open international Standards Development
>>Organisation (SDO) with a new HQ in Denmark.
>>
>>Klau
>> 
>>
>>

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Conference Topics

[Molly Cheah]

Hi Klaus,

You mean as what you did in 2001?
http://oshca.org/oshca/history/oldweb/meet2001

I would suggest that the technical committee members take note of 
Klaus's proposals. And thanks Klaus.

Molly
Klaus Veil wrote:

>Christian,
> 
>I'd be happy to contribute something on HL7 and would also help to get
>speakers for the other standards.
> 
>I do think we need a short session on terminology, as this has the main
>focus now. As you may be aware, SNOMED is in the process of being
>transformed into a more open international Standards Development
>Organisation (SDO) with a new HQ in Denmark.
> 
>Klaus
> 
> 
>
> 
>

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Conference Preparation

[Dr Molly Cheah]

Christian Heller wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>I have the honour of informing you that we've held our first OSHCA
>committee meeting yesterday. The meeting minutes will follow later.
>One major discussion point was the upcoming OSHCA conference, whose
>tentative program, date and place are listed at:
>http://www.oshca.org/conference/conf2007/conf2007prog/view
>We have formed three sub committees with volunteers to prepare the
>conference:
>  
>
The proposed theme is: Moving the FOSS Agenda for Health: Setting the 
framework for Interoperability.
Maybe Setting Open Standards for Interoperability?? Our funders would 
like to see such words in the Conference title.

These are our proposed current conference objectives:

   1. Share and review current FOSS applications in healthcare
   2. Share and review current technologies in healthcare software
   3. Conceptualise and define OSHCA's role in managing FOSS
  collaborative services
   4. Explore the role of open standards in facilitating interoperable
  health information communication
   5. Promote OSHCA and its activities particularly to IT and healthcare
  communities in Asia-Pacific region
   6. Promote the advantages of using FOSS applications to managers of
  healthcare facilities in public and private sectors in the
  Asia-Pacific region.

There is further request from our funders to include a 
"training/workshop" where (new) programmers from ASEAN+3 to learn from 
experienced programmers on FOSS technologies

>Organising Committee (OC):
>Molly Cheah (chair)
>Joseph Dal Molin
>Adrian Midgley
>  
>
To add Wayne & Shaari.
Wayne Wilson (chair - technical committee). He's just agreed. Thanks Wayne.
Shaari Junid (chair - logistics committee). Just a short note on Shaari. 
He's the President of the Malaysian Association of Environmental Health 
(MAEH) . MAEH is an Associate member (NGO) of OSHCA. Shaari was also the 
logistics chairman of the MCTC's Tobacco Control Conference 2006 which 
took place in Dec2006. He is also the Kuala Lumpur City Hall's Area 
Manager of Bukit Bintang, where the OSHCA Conference Venue Hotel is located.
The Chairperson of sub-committee should be a member of the main 
organising committee

>Logistics Committee (LC):
>Shaari Junid (chair)
>Juliana Tang
>Jason Tan Boon Teck
>Nandalal Gunaratne
>
>Technical Committee (TC):
>Wayne Wilson (proposed chair, agreement pending)
>Christian Heller (chair, if Wayne declines)
>Katarzyna Heller
>Thomas Beale
>
>Ordinary OSHCA members and ALL readers of the OpenHealth mailing list
>are very much welcomed and asked to participate in the preparation of
>our all conference! If everybody does a little, it won't be that much.
>
>The sub committee chairs or -members will now contact this list in order
>to gain a broader auditorium, more helpers, and to sort out topics etc.
>
>Thanks,
>Christian
>  
>
Molly

[openhealth] Re: [Fwd: [FOSS-PDI] OSHCA Conference - Preliminary Announcement]

[Molly Cheah]

>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Stephen Chu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:04:43 +1030
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [FOSS-PDI] OSHCA Conference - Preliminary Announcement]
>  
> Hi, Molly:
>  
> I do not have any fear about the concept of "openness" in standards or 
> software.  On the contrary, I highly welcome and promote the concept.  
> My concern is "open" software does not equate interoperability.  
> Standards are required to ensure interoperability of hardware or 
> software, open or closed.  While many standards are open - e.g. HL7, 
> ISO, some classification systems such as ICD, not all standards are.  
> I was trying to plead the case of not to exclude standards that are 
> not currently "open" while we examine the case of interoperability.  I 
> would like to see discussions on what "non-open" standards in health 
> are essential to facilitating interoperability and how we can 
> encourage or lobby those standards to migrate toward the "open" plank.
>  
> My 2cent worth.
>  
> Stephen
>
>  
> On 1/19/07, *Molly Cheah* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> Hi Stephen (from APAMI list),
> Let me try and allay your fears on the concept of  "Openness" in
> standards. I don't know how many from the APAMI list is also on the
> Openhealth list and there had been discussion already on this subject
> matter there. What I will do is to cross post my responses to the
> Openhealth list and extract whatever relevant discussion that had been
> posted there to this list. If anyone finds these cross posting
> incomplete please don't hesitate to chip in.
>
> I think this is a genuine attempt for those in the FOSS community to
> engage our colleagues supporting "non-open" formats (I hope I'm using
> the politically correct terms) without wanting to restrict or constrain
> anyone's viewpoints. None of us want a philosophical discussion either.
> Let me also state here that the programmes for the OSHCA conference are
> being massaged by the community to ensure that the deliberations at the
> conference and the conference output will be of benefit to all. Here's
> what I had in mind for the conference objectives as in the OSHCA
> web-portal. Clearly the objectives address OSHCA Vision and Mission
> Statements.
>
> >1. Share and review current FOSS applications in healthcare
> >2. Share and review current technologies in healthcare software
> >3. Conceptualise and define OSHCA's role in managing FOSS
> >   collaborative services
> >4. Explore the role of open standards in facilitating interoperable
> >   health information communication
> >5. Promote OSHCA and its activities particularly to IT and
> >   healthcare communities in Asia-Pacific region
> >6. Promote the advantages of using FOSS applications to managers of
> >   healthcare facilities in public and private sectors in the
> >   Asia-Pacific region.
> >
> The emphasis on Asia-Pacific region is because of funding from
> UNDP-APDIP and subsequently our proposals for funding under IDRC's PAN
> Asia eHealth Research Network.
>
> Here's some views on the matter from the Openhealth list.
>
> Quoting Thomas Beale from the OpenEHR project
>
> >I think that if we are to spend any time at all on this question, it
> >should be couched in terms of "what business model makes sense for
> >standards development"? And we should show why open source thinking has
> >something to offer.
> >
> >To give you an idea of the kind of thinking that could be exposed, here
> >is my opinion:
> >I think they should be open and freely usable - in fact I think the only
> >sensible business model for standards development is to give them away
> >free and charge some money for compliance testing. What ISO and many
> >other bodies do is completely wrong, and hence fails most of the time
> >(there are far more ISO standards than are actually used, because people
> >cannot even examine them for fitness without paying for them. Hence a
> >vast amount of talking, time off and air miles are wasted on producing
> >documents that never see the light of day).
> >
> Thomas continues
>
> >Just to continue on my "software ecosystem" comment a few posts back, I
> >think this conference would be an opportunity to show more than just
> >"why open source is good" in a general sense. We al

[openhealth] Re: [Fwd: [FOSS-PDI] OSHCA Conference - Preliminary Announcement]

[Molly Cheah]

e merit 
> and adopt a different business model, there is little hope that we can 
> have "open" standards.  By constraining ourselves to "open standards" 
> we may not have much to share at the conference, unless we are 
> contented with just a philosophical discussion.  Therefore, I suggest 
> that we keep our options open by constraining out the word "open" in 
> this new objective I propose.
>  
> My 2 cents worth.
>  
> Stephen
>
>  
> On 1/17/07, *Klaus Veil* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Stephen, good idea - suggest we say "Explore the role of *open*
> standards in ...
>  
> In the past, there has been some contention that not all standards
> are open and in tune with the Open Source concept...
>  
> Klaus
>
> 
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Chu
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:34
> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *Cc:* OSHCA Committee
> *Subject:* Re: [Fwd: [FOSS-PDI] OSHCA Conference - Preliminary
> Announcement]
>
>  
>  
> Hi, Molly:
>  
> If "interoperability" is one of the focus of the
> conference, I suggest that you add one more item to the
> existing conference objectivies:
> "Explore the role of standards in facilitating interoperable
> health information communication".
>  
> We can certainly discuss how national and international standards
> and information infrastructure building play a role in
> interoperable health information communication.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Stephen
>
>  
> On 1/17/07, *Molly Cheah* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Klaus,
>
> I spoke to HM just now and I think in principle there
> shouldn't be a
> problem co-organising with APAMI. We have already obtained
> some support
> from UNDP-APDIP's IOSN programme (with the help of Alvin
> Marcelo) It
> would be great to also get support from HL7 Australia and NZ,
> since our
> focus is on interoperability and data exchange. No doubt our
> target
> applications are FOSS applications and as such presentations of
> applications and technology used will be restricted to FOSS.
>
> If May 8-11 (tuesday to friday) is acceptable, we'll work
> towards those
> dates, making available time for those attending HIMSS in
> Singapore, the
> opportunity to take off  for a 3-day exclusive getaway  in
> bungalows by
> the sea in Pulau Langkawi or anywhere else, before  going down
> south to
> S'pore. This is VMY2007 :).
>
> Would May 8-12 (Wednesday to Saturday) a better alternative?
> I'm copying
> this e-mail discussion on the dates to the OSHCA committee to
> avoid me
> having to repeat the views expressed.
>
> Rgds,
> Molly
> Klaus Veil wrote:
>
> >
> > Molly,
> >
> > I think an association with APAMI would be very beneficial
> to OSHCA
> > 2007 and
> > the FOSS approach in general.
> >
> > We could also explore if HL7 Australia and HL7 NZ would be
> able to
> > provide
> > some backing...
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of
> > Molly Cheah
> > Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:52
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [FOSS-PDI] OSHCA Conference - Preliminary
> > Announcement]
> >
> >
> > Dear Stephen,
> >
> > Thank you for your assistance to promote this event. I'm
> hoping that
> > APAMI
> > may come in as co-organisers. Can't seem to get hold of HM
> Goh to discuss
> > this. Klaus suggested that the date be

Re: [openhealth] Re: [Fwd: [FOSS-PDI] OSHCA Conference - Preliminary Announcement]

[Molly Cheah]

I was going to ask Thomas the same question about attending the OSHCA 
conference. He can anchor the session(s) on standards/open standards.
I forwarded the latest remarks on "open" standards by Stephen Chu from 
HL7 NZ to the OSHCA Committee mailing list, where he would like the word 
"open" to be dropped. Maybe we can "compromise" on the use of the word 
"open". We can then give the HL7 and APAMI attendees a good round of 
debates as to why "open" is a necessary criteria for standards. Does 
"open" mean "freely available" as in the way we use the word "free" as 
in "freedom" and not as in "free beer"?

Incidently I still have no volunteer to be the chairman for the 
Scientific sub-committee of the Organising committee for the Conference. 
I've volunteered to take care of logistics and I think everyone can chip 
in for publicity. Any other sub-committees?

There were suggestions from Klaus of HL7 Australia to move the date to 
May 8-11 because our original dates clash with several HL7 activities 
and that the new dates will be closer to HIMSS Asia-Pacific in Singapore 
(May 13-15). Since I don't receive any objections, I believe the OSHCA 
committee will endorse the new dates.

Incidently, I have a request that was brought up in the APAMI list to 
get in touch with Will Ross (of  the Mendocino County Health Records 
Exchange) and Ignacio Valdez to attend the OSHCA conference. Over to you 
Will and Ignacio.

I would like to request Bhaskar to present GT.M on the technology 
session. Bhaskar, please take note of the change of date. It will be 
properly announced after its endorsement.

Rgds,
Molly
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:

>--- Thomas Beale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>I agree. I was not seriously saying that open surce is
>a "standard", in the same sense as other "standards".
>Maybe Is hould have included a smiley. Maybe it should
>be the standard way of software development for
>healthcare 
>OpenEHR is one practical implementation of standards
>that we can show case. Therefore let us dicuss how we
>are going to collaborate on "testing and improving"
>it. Maybe Thomas will be at the OSHCA meeting?
>
>Nandalal
>  
>
>>Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--- Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>Open Source is also a open standard of software
>>>development! We need to define/re-define these
>>>  
>>>
>>open
>>
>>
>>>standards, remove the obsolete and invoke those of
>>>  
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>future.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>all,
>>
>>while I certainly think OS is the way of the future,
>>I don't think it 
>>helps particularly to confuse it with standards in
>>statements like the 
>>above. I concur however on obsoleting ones that
>>don't work
>>
>>
>>
>>>As for objective 4, we need to discuss this now
>>>  
>>>
>>rather
>>
>>
>>>than wait. Think big and start small is perhaps
>>>  
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>way to go?
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>As most of you know, I have spent most of my time
>>working in this 
>>standards area, but in an open source manner, with a
>>growing set of open 
>>source tools and systems projects coming on line.
>>But I still see our 
>>main achievement in openEHR as open data standards
>>(mapped to CEN 
>>EN13606 official standard, HL7v2 messages,
>>Snomed-ct), and emerging 
>>service specifications - ones that actually work.
>>Software based on that 
>>is far more useful than software based on no
>>standards, since with the 
>>latter, there is no interoperability.
>>
>>I hope people start to see the importance of this
>>soon. If they do, we 
>>can start to create an open source community and
>>software ecosystem 
>>around a set of mutually compatible standards
>>(official or de facto). I 
>>also hope that people here would be more involved in
>>openEHR, since 
>>there are huge gaps waiting to be filled... the
>>talents of the 
>>experienced are needed!
>>
>>- thomas beale
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[openhealth] Re: [Fwd: [FOSS-PDI] OSHCA Conference - Preliminary Announcement]

[Molly Cheah]

Thanks for the suggestion, Stephen. I have added as suggested but 
include the word "open" to "standards"  as in Objective 4. These 
objectives and tentative programme is in our web-portal. The programme 
is tentative and to be discussed at the Openhealth list as well. I will 
post this discussion to the Openhealth list to see if the FOSS community 
wish to add further to this. The Conference programme can be found here:
http://oshca.org/conference/conf2007/conf2007prog

Conference Objectives:

   1. Share and review current FOSS applications in healthcare
   2. Share and review current technologies in healthcare software
   3. Conceptualise and define OSHCA's role in managing FOSS
  collaborative services
   4. Explore the role of open standards in facilitating interoperable
  health information communication
   5. Promote OSHCA and its activities particularly to IT and healthcare
  communities in ASEAN/Asia-Pacific region
   6. Promote the advantages of using FOSS applications to managers of
  healthcare facilities in public and private sectors in the
  ASEAN/Asia-Pacific region.

For the information of the FOSS community, APAMI stands for Asia-Pacific 
Association for Medical Informatics, which is an affiliate of IMIA. I 
believe Peter Murray is at the Openhealth list and would be happy to get 
his views on the OSHCA conference. Perhaps I should add here that 
Objective 3 is important to OSHCA in preparation and anticipation of the 
IDRC's Pan Asia eHealth Research Network Programme 2006-2011. OSI's 
information programme has special interests for funding FOSS projects 
around open standards.

Rgds,
Molly
Stephen Chu wrote:

>  
> Hi, Molly:
>  
> If "interoperability" is one of the focus of the conference, I suggest 
> that you add one more item to the existing conference objectivies:
> "Explore the role of standards in facilitating interoperable health 
> information communication".
>  
> We can certainly discuss how national and international standards and 
> information infrastructure building play a role in interoperable 
> health information communication.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Stephen
>
>  
> On 1/17/07, *Molly Cheah* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Klaus,
>
> I spoke to HM just now and I think in principle there shouldn't be a
> problem co-organising with APAMI. We have already obtained some
> support
> from UNDP-APDIP's IOSN programme (with the help of Alvin Marcelo) It
> would be great to also get support from HL7 Australia and NZ,
> since our
> focus is on interoperability and data exchange. No doubt our target
> applications are FOSS applications and as such presentations of
> applications and technology used will be restricted to FOSS.
>
> If May 8-11 (tuesday to friday) is acceptable, we'll work towards
> those
> dates, making available time for those attending HIMSS in
> Singapore, the
> opportunity to take off  for a 3-day exclusive getaway  in
> bungalows by
> the sea in Pulau Langkawi or anywhere else, before  going down
> south to
> S'pore. This is VMY2007 :).
>
> Would May 8-12 (Wednesday to Saturday) a better alternative? I'm
> copying
> this e-mail discussion on the dates to the OSHCA committee to avoid me
> having to repeat the views expressed.
>
> Rgds,
> Molly
> Klaus Veil wrote:
>
> >
> > Molly,
> >
> > I think an association with APAMI would be very beneficial to OSHCA
> > 2007 and
> > the FOSS approach in general.
> >
> > We could also explore if HL7 Australia and HL7 NZ would be able to
> > provide
> > some backing...
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On
> Behalf Of
> > Molly Cheah
> > Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:52
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [FOSS-PDI] OSHCA Conference - Preliminary
> > Announcement]
> >
> >
> > Dear Stephen,
> >
> > Thank you for your assistance to promote this event. I'm hoping
> that
> > APAMI
> > may come in as co-organisers. Can't seem to get hold of HM Goh
> to discuss
> > this. Klaus suggested that the date be moved to May 8-11 to avoid
> > clashing
> > with some of the other HL7 meetings, as well as convience for those
&g

[openhealth] OSHCA Conference - Preliminary Announcement

[Molly Cheah]

*Preliminary Announcement!
*

*
OSHCA
*

/presents/


Moving the FOSS Agenda for Health: Setting the Framework for
Interoperability


*1-4 May 2007
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
*

Call for Presentations OSHCA 2007 - Annual Open Source Health Care 
Alliance Meeting

This four-day conference provides the opportunity for Free/Open Source 
Software (FOSS) applications in healthcare, its updates and the use of 
FOSS technologies to be presented to participants particularly from the 
developing countries of the Asia-Pacific region. The target audience, in 
addition to the FOSS in Healthcare Community, will include interested 
persons from Ministries of Health and Private Health Care Facilities 
from this region.

The conference agenda will also include presentations and workshops on a 
variety of issues focussing on interoperability and data exchange. Major 
concerns on affordability and developing human capacity in the 
promotion, adoption and the use of FOSS applications will be deliberated 
on.

To register your interest in presenting your applications, please email 
a brief description of your application (not more than 250 words) and 
its reference url in plain text or XHTML to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


OSHCA Committee will decide on the final programme, logistics etc at its 
coming committee meeting.
For updated information on the conference status and registration 
information as it becomes available please visit the conference site at: 
http://oshca.org/conference/conf2007/

In the meantime, please register your interests asap to enable us to 
plan the conference agenda.

Molly




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[openhealth] Radio goes the open source route

[Molly Cheah]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6241923.stm

Radio goes the open source route
*A new generation of broadcasters are to join the world's airwaves after 
the launch of open-source software which allows people to run a radio 
station from a single computer for free.*
Campcaster takes a regular PC and turns it into a tool for managing 
every aspect of a radio station broadcast.

The software is the idea of the non-profit Media Development Loan Fund, 
which aims to support independent news media in emerging democracies.

[openhealth] Economic impact of open source software on innovation and the competitiveness of the ICT sector the EU

[Molly Cheah]

>
>
> Forwarded Message 
>From: Philippe Aigrain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: ipr&publicdomain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>The report of this study has just be put on line on the European Commission DG 
>ENTR site at :
>http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/ict/studies/publications.htm
>http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/ict/policy/doc/2006-11-20-flossimpact.pdf
>

[openhealth] A nice case of Mumps?

[Molly Cheah]

Season's greetings and a Prosperous 2007. I found this from a link on 
vintage databases which is a more recent publication.
Hadn't seen this reference being posted here before. Who is Thomas 
H. Martin of Georgia, anyone?

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2005/12/23/mumps_m_prgramming/

>
>   Mumps, now known as M, is a widely used language in American
>   health care.
>
> By David Norfolk 
> 
>  
> → More by this author 
> 
> Published Friday 23rd December 2005 12:18 GMT
>
> I have a soft spot for “legacy” languages – and I, for one, like 
> getting legacies. Back in my day, we expected to learn new languages 
> for different projects (learning Simula 
>  for a port simulation, for 
> instance, made a lot more sense than trying to “standardise” on COBOL; 
> or even FORTRAN, the usual simulation language then). So I was 
> interested when a Register reader, Thomas H. Martin of Georgia, USA, 
> emailed in praise of M, once known as MUMPS.
>
> M is a high-level operating language with extremely strong data 
> manipulation capabilities, Martin explains. “M was originally started 
> at the Massachusetts General Hospital as a health care language, 
> similar to Basic in being totally interpretive and compiled at run 
> time,” he says, but “today M is pre-compiled and, in today’s 
> implementations, extremely fast”.
>


Molly

[openhealth] Call for Participants

[Dr Molly Cheah]

CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS

Asian eHealth Research Network for Developing Countries


Angeles University (Philippines) in collaboration with Asian partners at 
Aga Khan University (Pakistan), the Molave Development Foundation 
(Philippines), Primary Care Doctor's Organization (Malaysia) and the 
University of Calgary (Canada) will host a workshop January 30 - Feb. 2 
2007 to develop a regional research network on eHealth with the support 
of Canada's International Development Research Centre. Research 
sponsored by the network will demonstrate /inter alia /consideration of 
a design framework based on the following principles: Sustainability of 
the e-health solution, Readiness / Change, Management, Appropriate 
evaluation and methodologies to provide evidence-informed decisions, 
Dissemination / Knowledge Transfer, Local Capacity / Commitment (Champion)


We are currently holding five open spaces for participants from 
developing countries in South, East, and Southeast Asia. If you are 
interested in participating in this network please send us a 1-page note 
including the following information by Dec. 15, 2006:


Name:

Profession:

Institutional Affiliation (if applicable):

Research History and Current Interests in eHealth:


Candidates will be evaluated based on the following criteria:


Health Sector Experience

eHealth Awareness

Interest in the design framework

Past technology developed / applied

Project management and communication skills

Willingness to collaborate

Regional Diversity

Gender Balance


Applications should be emailed to Dr. Ruben Umaly at Angeles University 
([EMAIL PROTECTED] _) with copy to Ms. 
Sherry Mendoza ([EMAIL PROTECTED] 
_) no later than 5pm UTC/GMT +8 hours.



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Re: [openhealth] Re: GPs Revolt

[Molly Cheah]

>
>
>just based on what we read in the Guardian, it appears to be on a 
>knife-edge anyway. But there has been substantive spending - CFH has 
>already spent many millions (I would think many times £100m) on message 
>development and other work that blithely assumes the central message 
>bank idea, without taking any account of how health record systems work, 
>where they might be and how they should be integrated with each other. 
>Some extremely competent people working in CFH today are living with the 
>terrible choices of a few years ago (a message-based design conception 
>of a national e-Health grid), and are trying to do their best in those 
>circumstances.
>
>- thomas beale
>
>
>  
>
We're about to embark on the plan for a "e-Health Research Network" for 
Asia. These unfortunate case studies come in handy as lessons learnt 
elsewhere that we will pay special attention to.

One of OSHCA's proposed projects would look at interoperability issues 
in relation to data interchange and open standards. We hope to get 
together to talk about this as soon as we can put together some funding 
for it. Naturally we hope to be able do this as part of the e-Health 
Research Network.

Molly

[openhealth] Dr Margaret Chan nominated to be WHO Director-General

[Molly Cheah]

FYI - FROM WHO
Dr Margaret Chan nominated to be WHO Director-General

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2006/pr65/en/index.html

8 November 2006 -- Dr Margaret Chan of China was nominated today for the post 
of Director-General by the Executive Board of the World Health Organization. 
The Director-General is WHO's chief technical and administrative officer. The 
nomination will be submitted to the World Health Assembly, which will meet for 
a one-day special session on Thursday, 9 November to appoint the next 
Director-General.

The nomination will be submitted to the World Health Assembly, which will meet 
for a one-day special session on Thursday, 9 November to appoint the next 
Director-General.
The procedures for the current nomination and election process were decided 
following the sudden death of Dr LEE Jong-wook, WHO Director-General, on 22 May 
2006. At its meeting on 23 May, the WHO Executive Board agreed on an 
"accelerated process" for electing a Director-General.
On Monday the Executive Board, chaired by Dr Fernando Antezana Araníbar of 
Bolivia, selected a short list of five candidates. Yesterday the Board 
interviewed the five candidates and today selected Dr Margaret Chan as its 
nominee.
The WHO Executive Board is composed of 34 Members who are technically qualified 
in the field of health. The main functions of the Board are to give effect to 
the decisions and policies of the World Health Assembly, to advise it and 
generally to facilitate its work.
The countries represented on the current Executive Board are: Afghanistan, 
Australia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bhutan, Bolivia, Brazil, China, Denmark, 
Djibouti, El Salvador, Iraq, Jamaica, Japan, Kenya, Latvia, Lesotho, Liberia, 
Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Luxembourg, Madagascar, Mali, Mexico, Namibia, 
Portugal, Romania, Rwanda, Singapore, Slovenia, Sri Lanka, Tonga, Thailand, 
Turkey and the United States of America.
Dr Anders Nordström, appointed by the Executive Board as Acting 
Director-General of WHO in May, will continue in this role until a new 
Director-General takes office.





 
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[openhealth] [fossap] Asia Source II: Call for Applications

[Dr Molly Cheah]

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[fossap] Asia Source II: Call for Applications

>Dear Friends,
>
>This is a call for applications for Asia Source II: Free and Open Source
>Technologies for NGOs [Non Government Organisations] and SMEs [Small and
>Medium Enterprises] from 22nd to 30th of January 2007 in Indonesia. The
>organisers are International Open Source Network, Tactical Technology
>Collective, InWEnt, ICT Watch and Aspiration Tech.
>Supporters include Federal Ministry for Economic Cooperation and
>Development of Germany, Humanist Institute for Cooperation with
>Developing Countries, Asia Pacific Development Information Network -
>United Nations Development Network and International Development
>Research Centre, Canada
>
>Please see: http://www.iosn.net/regional/asiasource-2007 for more
>details.
>
>DATES
>Asia Source II is an 8 day long event from 22nd to 30th of January 2007,
>to be held in Sukabumi about 3 hours drive from Jakarta in Indonesia. If
>you would like to participate, you will need to attend the entire event,
>which means arriving in Jakarta on or before 21st of January and leaving
>on or after 31 January 2007.
>
>WHO SHOULD ATTEND
>This is an event for experienced professionals actively working with the
>NGO or SME sector in South Asia and South East Asia, with a history of
>working with service and advocacy NGOs, educational organisations, NGO
>resource centres, community centres, health information organisations,
>SMEs and SME support agencies in South Asia and South East Asia. Like
>previous source camps, there will be an equal proportion of technical
>and non-technical people at the event as we are hope to introduce "those
>who know technology" to "those who need technology". Towards this end,
>sessions will vary from the highly technical to completely
>non-technical. To be eligible to attend, you will need to answer the
>questions below, providing detailed information about projects you have
>worked on. The application deadline is 30th of November. We are
>interested in all kinds of NGO and SME technical experience, but areas
>of particular focus will include the following:
>
>  * TRACK ONE: Open Publishing and Broadcasting: Communication
>Strategies and Writing Effectively. Graphic Design, Web Tools
>[Content Management Systems, Blogs, Wikis] and Audio/Video
>Production and Streaming. Script Writing and Story Boarding.
>File Formats and Conversion Utilities. Shooting and Editing
>Methodologies. Who should attend: Campaigners, Content
>Developers, Web Masters, Activists, Fundraisers, Graphic
>Designers, Film Makers, Radio Professionals, New Media
>Practitioners and Archivists.
>  * TRACK TWO: Alternative Hardware and Access: Refurbished
>Hardware, Thin Clients, Hardware Hacking, Wireless Solutions and
>Community Radio. Who should attend: Server Administrators,
>Network Administrators, Trainers, E-Riders, Rural Community
>Organisers, Relief Workers, Privacy Activists and ICT4D
>Professionals. 
>  * TRACK THREE: FOSS Implementation and Migration: Moving an NGO or
>SME from proprietary software to FOSS. Participatory Design and
>Planning, Evaluating FOSS, End-User Training and Support
>Techniques, Dealing with Desktops, Proxy Server, Firewall, Mail
>Server and Groupware. Change management and migration
>strategies. Who should attend: Server Administrators, Network
>Administrators, Trainers, E-Riders, ICT4D Professionals and
>Software Developers
>  * TRACK FOUR: Information Management: Mapping Information Sources
>and Requirements. Best practices for Creating Specifications,
>Information Architecture and User Interface Design. Web-based
>Databases, Geographical Information Systems, Customer
>Relationship Management, Application/Communication Security and
>Disaster Management Systems. Who should attend: Heads of
>Organisations, Senior Management, Campaigners, Activists,
>Fundraisers, Archivists, Community Organisers,
>Environmentalists, Relief Workers and Health Workers.
>
>Demonstrating that you have worked on projects in one or more of the
>above areas will make your application stronger. Proven training
>experience and an outline of how you will share the acquired skills
>after "Asia Source II" will also be an asset.
>
>All participants at Asia Source II are required to be proficient desktop
>users of computers, have been involved in at least one NGO or SME
>project before and to have an existing awareness of the concept of Free
>and Open Source Software.
>
>Applications from women are highly encouraged by the event organisers.
>
>FEES AND SUBSIDIES
>Participants will arrange for their own travel to Jakarta. Once there,
>transport to the venue from the airport in Jakarta will be provided

[openhealth] [fossap] Asia Source II: Call for Applications

[Dr Molly Cheah]

[fossap] Asia Source II: Call for Applications

>Dear Friends,
>
>This is a call for applications for Asia Source II: Free and Open Source
>Technologies for NGOs [Non Government Organisations] and SMEs [Small and
>Medium Enterprises] from 22nd to 30th of January 2007 in Indonesia. The
>organisers are International Open Source Network, Tactical Technology
>Collective, InWEnt, ICT Watch and Aspiration Tech.
>Supporters include Federal Ministry for Economic Cooperation and
>Development of Germany, Humanist Institute for Cooperation with
>Developing Countries, Asia Pacific Development Information Network -
>United Nations Development Network and International Development
>Research Centre, Canada
>
>Please see: http://www.iosn.net/regional/asiasource-2007 for more
>details.
>
>DATES
>Asia Source II is an 8 day long event from 22nd to 30th of January 2007,
>to be held in Sukabumi about 3 hours drive from Jakarta in Indonesia. If
>you would like to participate, you will need to attend the entire event,
>which means arriving in Jakarta on or before 21st of January and leaving
>on or after 31 January 2007.
>
>WHO SHOULD ATTEND
>This is an event for experienced professionals actively working with the
>NGO or SME sector in South Asia and South East Asia, with a history of
>working with service and advocacy NGOs, educational organisations, NGO
>resource centres, community centres, health information organisations,
>SMEs and SME support agencies in South Asia and South East Asia. Like
>previous source camps, there will be an equal proportion of technical
>and non-technical people at the event as we are hope to introduce "those
>who know technology" to "those who need technology". Towards this end,
>sessions will vary from the highly technical to completely
>non-technical. To be eligible to attend, you will need to answer the
>questions below, providing detailed information about projects you have
>worked on. The application deadline is 30th of November. We are
>interested in all kinds of NGO and SME technical experience, but areas
>of particular focus will include the following:
>
>  * TRACK ONE: Open Publishing and Broadcasting: Communication
>Strategies and Writing Effectively. Graphic Design, Web Tools
>[Content Management Systems, Blogs, Wikis] and Audio/Video
>Production and Streaming. Script Writing and Story Boarding.
>File Formats and Conversion Utilities. Shooting and Editing
>Methodologies. Who should attend: Campaigners, Content
>Developers, Web Masters, Activists, Fundraisers, Graphic
>Designers, Film Makers, Radio Professionals, New Media
>Practitioners and Archivists.
>  * TRACK TWO: Alternative Hardware and Access: Refurbished
>Hardware, Thin Clients, Hardware Hacking, Wireless Solutions and
>Community Radio. Who should attend: Server Administrators,
>Network Administrators, Trainers, E-Riders, Rural Community
>Organisers, Relief Workers, Privacy Activists and ICT4D
>Professionals. 
>  * TRACK THREE: FOSS Implementation and Migration: Moving an NGO or
>SME from proprietary software to FOSS. Participatory Design and
>Planning, Evaluating FOSS, End-User Training and Support
>Techniques, Dealing with Desktops, Proxy Server, Firewall, Mail
>Server and Groupware. Change management and migration
>strategies. Who should attend: Server Administrators, Network
>Administrators, Trainers, E-Riders, ICT4D Professionals and
>Software Developers
>  * TRACK FOUR: Information Management: Mapping Information Sources
>and Requirements. Best practices for Creating Specifications,
>Information Architecture and User Interface Design. Web-based
>Databases, Geographical Information Systems, Customer
>Relationship Management, Application/Communication Security and
>Disaster Management Systems. Who should attend: Heads of
>Organisations, Senior Management, Campaigners, Activists,
>Fundraisers, Archivists, Community Organisers,
>Environmentalists, Relief Workers and Health Workers.
>
>Demonstrating that you have worked on projects in one or more of the
>above areas will make your application stronger. Proven training
>experience and an outline of how you will share the acquired skills
>after "Asia Source II" will also be an asset.
>
>All participants at Asia Source II are required to be proficient desktop
>users of computers, have been involved in at least one NGO or SME
>project before and to have an existing awareness of the concept of Free
>and Open Source Software.
>
>Applications from women are highly encouraged by the event organisers.
>
>FEES AND SUBSIDIES
>Participants will arrange for their own travel to Jakarta. Once there,
>transport to the venue from the airport in Jakarta will be provided. All
>meals and accommodation during the meeting will be provided, for the
>modest participati

[openhealth] Announcement - OSHCA registration

[Dr Molly Cheah]

I am pleased to announce that OSHCA is now registered and will receive 
its registration certificate by next week. The OSHCA web-portal 
http://oshca.org had been up and operating since August 9th 2006. As it 
is hosted temporarily on the Malaysian Council for Tobacco Control 
(MCTC) Server, it is rather slow to access despite increasing the server 
RAM (thanks to the generousity of Adrian Midgley). I am working on 
improving its access soon.

I have just submitted a short report to Shahid of UNDP-APDIP (at his 
request) on the status of OSHCA and its funding possibilities for its 
activities. I am also currently in discussion with IDRC to involve OSHCA 
in a proposed project on PAN-Asia e-Health Research Network that is 
being planned.

Peter Murray of IMIA had contacted me to involve OSHCA in organising a 
half-day session on FOSS in Healthcare for Medinfo2007 in Brisbane 
Australia.

Hopefully, if we have some funding, we can proceed to hold a small 
working meeting and elections to replace the protem committee, if not in 
December 2006, but certainly in early 2007. Apart from the prospect of 
getting a new committee, the meeting will discuss and formalise a 
framework for OSHCA to move the FOSS agenda for health within the 
context of its Vision and Mission Statements. This will position OSHCA 
to participate fully in the 1st Global followup to the WSIS process to 
be held in December 2007 (see http://globalknowledge.org). I will put 
its draft copy (as soon as I have made some amendments to it) on this 
openhealth list for feedback.

I apologise for the delay in getting OSHCA registered. I had 
underestimated the complexities of the registration process and the 
bureaucracy of the Govt machinery, not forgetting a procedural hiccough 
on my part too.

Molly


 
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[openhealth] Call for Proposals - Global Development Network

[Molly Cheah]

> CALL FOR PROPOSALS The Global Development Network announces its latest 
> call-for-proposals for its Fifth Global Research Project: Promoting 
> Innovative Programs from the Developing World: Towards Realizing the 
> Health MDGs in Africa and Asia. This 3 year USD 5.9 million project 
> involves conducting extensive international standard impact 
> evaluations and cost-effectiveness analyses of both 
> about-to-be-launched and ongoing health and health-related programs 
> from the developing and transition world. Submissions are invited from 
> researchers, NGOs, private sector organizations or governments, from 
> and/or operating in developing and transition countries. Who can 
> apply? Researchers can apply as independent evaluators of programs; 
> managers of NGO programs, private sector managed development programs 
> and government programs can submit applications for high-quality 
> evaluations of projects they implement in health and related fields. 
> Why apply? Researchers who apply will receive funds for conducting an 
> international standard impact evaluation research project and will 
> benefit from high- quality mentoring and interaction with 
> international experts, networking with researchers from around the 
> world, and development of program evaluation skills and expertise in 
> best-practice impact evaluation techniques. Program managers who apply 
> will benefit through marketable and publishable international standard 
> evaluations with credible results that can be confidently presented to 
> donors. GDN will also promote the most promising programs with 
> international donors and policymakers to facilitate fund raising. The 
> last date for submissions is October 31, 2006 For the detailed call 
> for proposals and guidelines for submission log on to: 
> http://www.gdnet.org/middle.php?oid=1095


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[openhealth] IBM contribute technology to open source community

[Molly Cheah]

http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/pr.nsf/pages/news.20060809_openhealthcare.html

>
>   IBM brings electronic medical records one step closer through open
>   technology
>
> / Contributes technology to open source community; Establishes 
> Innovation Centers to work with major players, business partners/
>
> *San Jose, CA, August 9, 2006* — IBM today announced a major step in 
> the drive toward a national electronic medical records system by 
> contributing software technology that supports the exchange of 
> healthcare information to the open source community. The software, 
> contributed to the Eclipse Foundation's Open Healthcare Framework 
> (OHF) project, provides a mechanism to connect isolated "islands" of 
> information that today reside throughout the healthcare system to any 
> Health Information Exchange (HIE). Software developers will also be 
> able to build applications that can aggregate and sift through this 
> information to improve healthcare delivery and research while 
> protecting individual privacy.
>
> According to the Center for Information Technology Leadership, systems 
> that enable standardized information exchange are by far the best 
> investment for the nation as a whole, with net savings that likely 
> represent 5 percent of current U.S. healthcare expenditures. Such 
> capabilities stand to enable more accurate, timely diagnoses that 
> could markedly improve treatments.
>
> OHF, one of the leading efforts to deliver an open source, 
> standards-based platform for healthcare software, has close ties to 
> leading healthcare standards organizations. Any Independent Software 
> Vendor (ISV) will be able to use the tools in OHF to connect their 
> applications to any standards-based infrastructure, including IBM’s HIE.
>
> IBM Research has also established new Healthcare and Life Sciences 
> Innovation Centers spanning its Almaden, Watson, Haifa and Zurich 
> Research Labs. These centers provide a focal point for collaborative 
> work with healthcare clients and qualified IBM Business Partners in 
> the application of key IBM Research expertise and technologies in this 
> field.
>
> "One of the more significant challenges in creating a national 
> interoperable electronic healthcare information infrastructure is the 
> ability to access disparate health records stored in proprietary 
> medical IT systems," said Dan Pelino, general manager, IBM Healthcare 
> and Life Sciences Industry. "By making the client side components of 
> our HIE technology available through OHF, we hope to help solve this 
> problem by providing an easy and affordable way for ISVs to connect 
> their applications to any HIE, where medical data can be accessed and 
> integrated as if stored in a single repository. As a result of this 
> patient-centric systems approach, clinicians will be able to access 
> health records from virtually any medical IT system, regardless of 
> where the information resides."
>
> IBM Research launched the Interoperable Healthcare Information 
> Infrastructure, or IHII project, in 2005 with a prototype health 
> information exchange platform capable of supporting local, regional 
> and national healthcare organizations. The platform, which implements 
> important interoperability standards, includes advanced data 
> management algorithms and data mining techniques developed by IBM 
> scientists. It enables doctors to access and view a patient's 
> electronic medical records even if those records originate in 
> disparate systems. The IHII project is validating software code 
> components required to instantiate a HIE that conforms to IBM’s Health 
> Information Framework, a Services Oriented Architecture (SOA) approach 
> to connecting the healthcare and life sciences ecosystem.
>
> IBM has since validated open, standards-based healthcare 
> interoperability with more than 20 ISVs, including Blueware, CapMed, 
> Mandriva, PossibilityForge, SynSeer and WellLogic, as well as its 
> ability to provide the client side interfaces for application vendors. 
> With this contribution to the Eclipse open source community, software 
> developers can now begin building open standards-based applications 
> that tap the technology to help doctors, labs and hospitals adopt 
> electronic medical records.
>
> "The features in OHF will enable a new ecosystem to develop in the 
> healthcare industry," said Grahame Grieve, project leader, Eclipse OHF 
> project. "The availability of a lightweight, open source framework 
> will allow eHealth Record (eHR) vendors and other open source eHR 
> efforts to build and test standards-based solutions for 
> interoperability, enabling small and medium clinics and hospitals to 
> participate in the market with large healthcare enterprises."
>
> The ability to share health information could create new services for 
> consumers, researchers and practitioners. Beyond lowering costs and 
> improving quality of healthcare, the electronic storage of medical 

[openhealth] Public Domain & Open Standards discussion at WIPO: What did Mexico, India, Chile and Australia say?

[Dr Molly Cheah]

>
>
>http://fromgeneva.blogspot.com/2006/07/public-domain-open-standards.html
>2 July 2006
>Thiru Balasubramaniam
>
>The recently concluded WIPO Provisional Committee on Proposals related
>to a Development Agenda (PCDA) meeting (26-30 June 2006) saw a rich
>discussion on the public domain, competition policy and open standards
>despite the failure of the PCDA to reach an agreement on recommendations
>to the WIPO General Assembly on how to tangibly integrate the
>development dimension into the core of all the Organization's
>activities. 
>
>At the conclusion of the first session of the WIPO PCDA in February
>2006, the Chair (Ambassador Rigoberto Gauto Vielman of Paraguay)
>arranged the 111 proposals submitted thus far into six clusters (A)
>Technical Assistance and Capacity Building, (B) Norm-Setting,
>Flexibilities, Public Policy and Public Domain, (C) Technology Transfer,
>Information and Communication Technology (ICT) and Access to Knowledge,
>(D) Assessments, Evaluation and Impact Studies, (E) Institutional
>Matters including Mandate and Governance and (F) Other Issues. Although
>this approach appeared to give a coherent blueprint on how to structure
>the discussions, critics of this approach asserted that this thematic
>clustering removed the 111 discrete proposals from their respective
>contexts.
>
>With respect to discussions on "Cluster B" (Norm-Setting, Flexibilities,
>Public Policy and Public Domain", Mexico reprised its role as antagonist
>par excellence to the spirit and purpose of the Development Agenda. With
>regard to specific proposals in Cluster B relating to establishing a
>Treaty on Access to Knowledge and Technology, facilitating access to
>knowledge and technology for developing and least developed countries
>and developing an "international framework to deal with issues of
>substantive law relating to anti-competitive licensing practices",
>Mexico asserted these proposals would "invade UNESCO's and UNCTAD's
>mandates". 
>
>In addition, Mexico argued that WIPO did not have the competence to deal
>with the TRIPS Agreement and therefore Mexico could not accept the
>language of a proposal which called upon WIPO to "protect and promote in
>all negotiations the development oriented principles and flexibilities
>contained in existing Agreements, such as the TRIPS Agreement". On the
>proposals related to examining "free software development and creative
>commons models" and WIPO's promotion of models based upon "open
>collaborative projects to develop public goods, as exemplified by the
>Human Genome Project and Open Source Software", Mexico's appeared
>inextricably wedded to defending the interests of proprietary software
>publishers as the Mexican delegation noted that it was "inappropriate to
>express government support for these vehicles. This should be a matter
>for the market to decide, not the government."
>
>In refreshing contrast to the positions advocated by Mexico, the Indian
>delegation called upon WIPO to study open standards, particularly in the
>area of telecommunications, as this was something the Indian delegate
>felt would support development. With respect to "open source software",
>the Indian delegate stated that "open source software uses the IP
>system. Open source software has already provided a good benefit for
>technology transfer, for keeping customer not locked to a proprietary
>system."
>
>With respect to the public domain, Chile gave an impassioned defence of
>why WIPO should engage in further examination of proposals to "consider
>the protection of the public domain within WIPO's normative processes"
>and to draw "up proposals and models for the protection and
>identification of, and access to, the contents of the public domain".
>Furthermore, Chile supported the proposal for WIPO to have an electronic
>forum devoted to the discussion creative commons, systems of free and
>open licenses, a Treaty on Access to Knowledge and a Treaty on Medical
>R&D. The Chilean delegate noted that in the context of upward
>harmonization of patent and copyright norms, 
>
>often the line between what is protected and what is in the
>public domain has become more hazy, more diffuse, for instance
>because we have increased the rights holders' terms of
>protection, and introduced laws for technological protection
>measures to give more protection to rightholders. The objective
>of our proposal is to give more certainty to the users of IP
>works and society in general.
>
>Much has been done by WIPO to identify what is in the public
>domain. In particular, in relation to scientific knowledge, much
>has been done with SPLT on disclosure of patent info but now we
>think that there are things that governments can do-e.g. to
>indicate when materials falls into the public domain. We gave
>the example of Canada with respect for orphaned works. There are
>many studies that show

[openhealth] Re: [Hardhats-members] Ken Kiser considered for Health Chief for the UK

[Molly Cheah]

>
>
>LSE Health and Social Care
>New NHS Chief Executive appointed
>David Nicholson has been appointed by the Prime Minister as the new NHS Chief 
>Executive. 
>The handover between David Nicholson and Acting NHS Chief Executive, Sir Ian 
>Carruthers is provisionally planned for September. David will continue in his 
>current position as Chief Executive of NHS London until the handover.
>Sir Ian Carruthers has been Acting NHS Chief Executive since the retirement of 
>Sir Nigel Crisp in March. Sir Ian will now take up the role of Chief Executive 
>of NHS South West.
>David Nicholson, CBE has devoted over 25 years to a career in the NHS, holding 
>senior leadership positions at local, regional and national level. He was 
>appointed Chief Executive of the new Strategic Health Authority for London 
>earlier this year having previously been the Chief Executive of Birmingham and 
>The Black Country SHA (from 2003) and of West Midlands South and Shropshire & 
>Staffordshire Strategic Health Authorities (from 2005). In April 2002 David 
>became Director of Health and Social Care for the Midlands and East of 
>England. Before taking this role he held a number of positions in NHS 
>organisations including Regional Director for Trent and nine years as Chief 
>Executive of Doncaster Royal Infirmary NHS Trust. David has two sons, one a 
>recent graduate and the other studying at university. He was awarded the CBE 
>in January 2004 for his services to the NHS. 
>
Molly

Nancy Anthracite wrote:

>Another interesting link sent to me by one of my students:
>
>http://govhealthit.com/article95369-07-21-06-Web&newsletter=yes
>  
>



 
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Re: [openhealth] New file uploaded to openhealth

[Molly Cheah]

See this http://www.themekit.com/t_odt12.htm

Gregory Woodhouse wrote:

>On Jun 4, 2006, at 9:24 AM, K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Greg --
>>
>>That's the new ISO Open Document Format standard.  You can read it  
>>with
>>OpenOfficce.org as well as several other applications (I think it is
>>supported by AbiWord and Kword).  Soon there will be an MS Office  
>>plugin
>>as well.
>>
>>Regards
>>-- Bhaskar
>>    
>>
>
>Interesting. Where can I read more about this format? Specifications  
>perhaps?
>
>Gregory Woodhouse
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>Metaphors be with you.
>
>
>  
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Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA

[Molly Cheah]

I'm glad we're coming across as "action oriented". I agree that there 
are urgent tasks such providing the communication platform for 
discussions on OSHCA. Technically, discussing issues that affect OSHCA 
can be considered off topic :). I don't want to take too much advantage 
of the generousity of the owners of the openhealth list. Thus currently 
most of the planning work are done amongst the protem committee and 
small groups via emails. So please bear with us on this. We will provide 
as much update as possible, but prompt us sometimes.

FUD based on hearsay can be automatically perpetuated if not corrected 
with facts. I'm concerned that this may affect the community's 
perception of OSHCA's wellbeing and chance of survival. We've seen how 
FUD had being applied to dampen FOSS uptake time and again.

To support our focus on developing countries, the biggest challenge is 
equity and the data found in this presentation says it all.
High-income countries:
   16%   population
   7%  burden of disease
   89% health spending
   94%    Internet hosts
Low-income countries:
  84% population
  93% burden of disease
  11% health spending
  6% Internet hosts
http://r0.unctad.org/ecommerce/event_docs/foss_exme_programme_en.htm
*Dr. Joan Dzenowagis*, Ph.D, Chief, Health Internetwork, WHO 
Dr. Joan Dzenowagis, is based at the World Health Organization, where 
she is Project Manager of the United Nations Health InterNetwork, led by 
WHO. This initiative is one of the four initiatives of the UN Millennium 
Action Plan launched by Secretary General Kofi Annan in September 2000. 
The Health InterNetwork is a public-private partnership which aims to 
improve the flow of health information for scientists, health 
professionals and policy makers in developing countries, using the Internet.
Presentation: (pdf 
<http://r0.unctad.org/ecommerce/event_docs/fossem/dzenowagis.pdf>) (ppt 
<http://r0.unctad.org/ecommerce/event_docs/fossem/dzenowagis.ppt>)
Bridging the digital divide in health: The role of free and open source 
software

Molly
Philippe AMELINE wrote:

>Hi Molly,
>
>Thanks for your explanations... and to state again that Oshca is 
>definitely "action oriented".
>
>The first two urgent tasks are probably to communicate more inside, then 
>to organize how the Oshca network can manage the communication outside.
>
>Philippe
>
>Molly Cheah a écrit :
>
>  
>
>>I do not wish to get involved in the current debate as it arise from a 
>>xenophobic _expression_ based on a news item of two foreign leaders (both 
>>duly elected by democratic process that we all accept) shaking hands but 
>>unfortunately one had been portrayed to be a "terrorist" and to the mind 
>>of the xenophobian, the other leader is now rendered uncceptable after 
>>shaking hands. This followed with the argument that by the 
>>unacceptability of the country he leads, it is now unacceptable for 
>>OSHCA to be registered in the country. I don't know whether to laugh or 
>>to cry by such expressions of intolerence.
>>
>>Tim had provided some feedback on OSHCA's progress. There is a 
>>sub-committee headed by Tim to develop a portal and virtual office for 
>>OSHCA. That will include mailing lists for OSHCA matters (which will 
>>undoubtedly include the "politics" evolving around OSHCA). I am 
>>preparing a draft document on OSHCA's proposed programme framework for 
>>the next 12-24 months at least, including funding proposals. This will 
>>include an OSHCA conference/meeting towards the end of this year.
>>
>>I will table this for discussion by this week-end. I envisage one of 
>>OSHCA's role to be participatory and supportive of the implementation 
>>roadmap of WSIS. The inauguration of this participatory meeting will be 
>>the Global Alliance meeting to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia on 
>>19-20 June 2006. I will be attending this and the workshop on e-Health. 
>>See  http://www.unicttaskforce.org/
>>
>>The other is the first post-WSIS milestone event for global ICT4D and 
>>K4D practitione*rs, proponents and policy makers that will take place in 
>>Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia 11-13 December 2007. The flyer for this is 
>>available at the GKP web site http://www.globalknowledge.org/ GKP's 
>>Strategy 2010 Programme Framework is worth reading.
>>
>>As GKP is not actively involved in ICT in healthcare, they have sounded 
>>to me that they can work with OSHCA to address the health MDGs. We 
>>already had preliminary discussions on this.
>>
>>The other area of collaboration will be with the UNDP-APDIP Centres of 
>>Excellence - to set up collaborative networks as test 

Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA

[Molly Cheah]

Will Ross wrote:

>Molly,
>
>Can you please translate the acronyms you are using.   I don't  
>understand what you're talking about!
>
>WSIS
>  
>
World Summit on Information Society

> *World Summit on the Information Society* 
> The *World Summit on the Information Society* (*WSIS*) was held in two 
> phases. The first phase took place in Geneva hosted by the Government 
> of Switzerland from *...*
> www.itu.int/*wsis*/ - 16k - Cached 
> 
>  
> - Similar pages 
> 
>
> *World Summit on the Information Society* : About *WSIS* 
> BASIC INFORMATION : ABOUT 
> *WSIS* Overview The UN General Assembly Resolution 56/183 (21 December 
> 2001) endorsed the holding of the *World Summit on the* *...*
> www.itu.int/*wsis*/basic/about.html - 14k - Cached 
> 
>  
> - Similar pages 
> 
> [ More results from www.itu.int 
>  ]


>ICT
>  
>
Information Communication Technology

>MDG
>  
>
Millennium Development Goals

> The UN *Millennium Development Goals* 
> Annual DPI/NGO Conference to Focus 
> On *Millennium Development Goals*; *...* The eight *Millennium 
> Development Goals* (MDGs) – which range from halving extreme *...*
> www.un.org/millenniumgoals/ - 27k - Cached 
> 
>  
> - Similar pages 
> 

> *Millennium Development Goals* 
> "The *Millennium Development Goals* were adopted five years ago by all 
> the world's Governments as a blueprint for building a better world in 
> the 21st century. *...*
> www.undp.org/*mdg*/ - 12k - Cached 
> 
>  
> - Similar pages 
> 
>
> UNDP | *Millennium Development Goals* 
> undp.
> www.undp.org/*mdg*/countryreports.html - 2k - Cached 
> 
>  
> - Similar pages 
> 


Molly


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Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA

[Molly Cheah]

I do not wish to get involved in the current debate as it arise from a 
xenophobic _expression_ based on a news item of two foreign leaders (both 
duly elected by democratic process that we all accept) shaking hands but 
unfortunately one had been portrayed to be a "terrorist" and to the mind 
of the xenophobian, the other leader is now rendered uncceptable after 
shaking hands. This followed with the argument that by the 
unacceptability of the country he leads, it is now unacceptable for 
OSHCA to be registered in the country. I don't know whether to laugh or 
to cry by such expressions of intolerence.

Tim had provided some feedback on OSHCA's progress. There is a 
sub-committee headed by Tim to develop a portal and virtual office for 
OSHCA. That will include mailing lists for OSHCA matters (which will 
undoubtedly include the "politics" evolving around OSHCA). I am 
preparing a draft document on OSHCA's proposed programme framework for 
the next 12-24 months at least, including funding proposals. This will 
include an OSHCA conference/meeting towards the end of this year.

I will table this for discussion by this week-end. I envisage one of 
OSHCA's role to be participatory and supportive of the implementation 
roadmap of WSIS. The inauguration of this participatory meeting will be 
the Global Alliance meeting to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia on 
19-20 June 2006. I will be attending this and the workshop on e-Health. 
See  http://www.unicttaskforce.org/

The other is the first post-WSIS milestone event for global ICT4D and 
K4D practitione*rs, proponents and policy makers that will take place in 
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia 11-13 December 2007. The flyer for this is 
available at the GKP web site http://www.globalknowledge.org/ GKP's 
Strategy 2010 Programme Framework is worth reading.

As GKP is not actively involved in ICT in healthcare, they have sounded 
to me that they can work with OSHCA to address the health MDGs. We 
already had preliminary discussions on this.

The other area of collaboration will be with the UNDP-APDIP Centres of 
Excellence - to set up collaborative networks as test beds for open 
source health applications for interoperability and standards.

That's all I have time for now. I'll provide more depth to these 
proposals. At the same time I welcome comments and volunteers to work 
with me on this.

Rgds,
Molly
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 *Tim.Churches wrote:

>Philippe AMELINE wrote:
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>>Hi to all,
>>
>>I must confess I feel not at ease with current situation.
>>
>>The choice of Indonesia as an incorporation country has been a political
>>choice: to show that open/libre software is an opportunity for all
>>country, whatever their development level.
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>Joseph has already pointed out that the country of incorporation is
>Malaysia, not Indonesia. However, mistake aside, the primary reason for
>the choice of country for incorporation were pragmatic ones: Molly Cheah
>has been the driving force behind the second attempt to incorporate
>OSHCA, and Molly lives in Malaysia. However, there were secondary
>reasons why Malaysia was thought to be a good choice: it is one of the
>leaders of the non-aligned group of countries (and has been for many
>decades, including during the Cold War), which means that Malaysian
>foreign policy did/does/will not follow in lock-step with that of the
>previous superpowers (US/EU and USSR), the current superpower (US) or
>the future superpowers (BRIC: Brasil, Russia, India, China). As a
>result, Malaysia can maintain cordial relations and engage in dialogue
>with a very wide range of countries, far more easily than, say, the US,
>UK or Australia could. That is important, because although FOSS will
>play an important role in health in rich Western countries, in the
>near-term at least that will only be a small role, whereas there is
>little doubt (at least in my mind) that FOSS will play a very major role
>in health in developing and transitional countries, and very soon. It
>sends out the "right message" to have OSHCA incorporated in a
>developing/transitional country. Key audiences for that "message"
>include WHO and other UN agencies, as well as international and national
>philanthropic and donor agencies (which are an important target for
>OSHCA's lobbying/advocacy role: if these agencies fund health
>information systems in poorer countries, and they increasingly are, we
>want to convince them, and/or the aid recipients, to seriously consider
>FOSS as a more sustainable long-term solution).
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>>Nandalal is very right when he says that the population is not the
>>government, however, Indonesia can appear as quite extreme in the domain
>>of military violence (remember the recent massacres in East Timor), of

Re: [openhealth] CAISIS

[Molly Cheah]

I'm looking at it actually to see if we could use it for the EVIPnet, a 
WHO project that will harness evidence from research and practice for 
policy decision making. I'm interested in the interface to capture data 
from clinical practice to build up the database for research, something 
like what BEACH is doing in general practice in Australia. I wanted to 
ask you about it Tim. It might be an interesting project to port it to a 
LAMP stack.

Molly
Tim Churches wrote:

>Has anyone used or had anything to do with CAISIS? See
>http://www.caisis.org
>
>It is implemented on top of a Microsoft-only stack, and doesn't properly
>with Firefox or other non-Microsoft Web browsers, but it is open source
>and seems quite well implemented, with some interesting features and
>user interface ideas.
>
>It is targeted more for clinical research than everyday clinical
>practice, though. An impressive piece of open source work, in production
>use, but rarely mentioned on this list.
>
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Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

[Molly Cheah]

Hi Alvin,

"Agreeing on common standards" is much more complex than meets the eye. 
Have you seen this health IT standards directory by the National 
Alliance for Health Information Technology?  http://www.nahit.org/hitsdir/
The Standards Directory is part of the "Alliance's drive to accelerate 
the implementation of world-class, standards-based IT to create the most 
effective, safe, unified and inclusive healthcare system possible". They 
have lists of organisations that participate in the definition or spread 
of health IT standards and the Standards Publications of these 
organisations.
The categories that "standards" fall into goes beyond Codes and 
Classification of diseases that are used in EMRs. OSHCA should be 
interested to promote sharing of data/information among promoters of 
different OSS applications, whether at primary, secondary or tertiary 
care levels. This goes beyond the use of ICD9, ICD10, SNOMED or ICPC etc.

This was something that the old Board of OSHCA talked of doing after the 
OSHCA meeting at UCLA in 2002 - interoperability among open source 
projects. I would be interested to discuss this further as an 
OSHCA/UNDP-APDIP project as part of your Centre of Excellence 
initiative. I'll find out if this is one area that was discussed in 
Bangkok earlier this month following our request to UNDP-APDIP for 
funding of OSHCA and OSHCA activities. It will be nice to bring the 
promoters of open source health applications together before end of the 
year to plan for future collaborative efforts in this regard - if we get 
the funding :).

Rgds,
Molly

Alvin B. Marcelo wrote:

>Yes, I didn't mean to say OSHCA should go on developing standards. I think the better phrase is
>'to implement open standards using open source software'.
>
>Proceeding with open source software development without agreements in common standards can even
>speed up the fragmentation the current information infrastructure. OSHCA can lead the way by
>showing how the organization, albeit its members developing software independently, assure
>interoperability by agreeing on common standards.
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>--- Nandalal Gunaratne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>David Forslund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Yes. Let us decide which of these nationally decided ones we should support.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Nanda Gunaratne
>> It isn't clear to me the role that OSHCA can/should play in the 
>> standards world.   It might be useful
>> for the community to agree on things that "everyone" will support, but 
>> that alone doesn't make it a "standard".
>> Standards my be dictated by national entities or other bodies outside 
>> the control of OSHCA. 
>> Alvin B. Marcelo wrote:
>> > First thread:
>> >
>> > I propose we standardize on ICD-10 (as a minimum). It's an 
>> > international standard anyway (albeit
>> > difficult to use). This of course does not preclude the others from 
>> > using SNOMED if they can
>> > afford to do so.
>> >
>> > That being the case, OSHCA can also 'standardize' on the preferred 
>> > mapping system between SNOMED
>> > to ICD-10. Any proposals?
>> UMLS has some such mappings, I believe.  If SNOMED isn't free outside 
>> the US and UK, it isn't clear how
>> one could agree on a mapping. 
>> >
>> > Molly, how do 'sweeping statements' like these get to be approved 
>> > officially by OSHCA?
>> >
>> > Second thread:
>> >
>> > An interesting insight I got at the last Regional Conference in Open 
>> > Standards sponsored by NECTEC
>> > and IOSN in Bangkok (May 2-4) --  an Intel smployee (Danese) 
>> > emphasized that open standards may
>> > only be considered open if they can be fully implemented by open 
>> > source software.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts about that statement? Can we actually call a standard 
>> > open if there are limitations
>> > to its implementation by FOSS?
>> The question is what types of limitations are we talking about.   ASTM's 
>> CCR, for example, costs money but can
>> easily be implemented in open source without any licensing issues.   
>> There is an open source implementation of
>> HL7 V3 in Java but it requires the HL7 RIM to properly function and this 
>> costs money to use (but not to deploy?).
>> People have argued that the OMG specs "might" be encumbered by a patent 
>> and thus don't want to implement them
>> in open source.  But many areas of software are in this category that 
>> they "might" be encumbered by a patent, so I
>> argue this is a "red herring".   We have existence proofs that OMG specs 
>> can be implemented in open source.
>> 
>> It might be possible to implement CPT codes in open source, but not to 
>> be able to deploy it for free.  I don't think
>> open source "necessarily" implies "free".   This is the old argument as 
>> to what one means by "free".   (as in beer vs ideas).
>> 
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[openhealth] Mobilizing NGOs advocating FOSS

[Molly Cheah]

Hi,

Here's another opportunity for FOSS advocating NGOs and individuals to 
help influence ICT policies for development at a global level. Feel free 
to pass this information to anyone interested in promoting FOSS.

http://www.unicttaskforce.org/    

Global Alliance for ICT Policy and Development

Inaugural Meeting

In a follow up to the recent decision of the Secretary-General (see 
press release), the inaugural meeting of the Global Alliance for ICT and 
Development will be held on 19-20 June 2006 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia 
following a generous invitation by the Government of Malaysia. The 
programme of the meeting will be made available shortly. All interested 
stakeholders are invited to participate in the meeting. A registration 
form for indicating both your interest in participating in the Global 
Alliance and, specifically, your participation in the Kuala Lumpur 
meeting is attached.

The Tunis Commitment (Document WSIS-05/Tunis/DOC/7-E) contains only 2 
items that refers to promoting FOSS. The use of FOSS in item 29. sounded 
like an after-thought..*

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> *28.* *We reaffirm our desire* to build ICT networks and develop 
> applications, in partnership with the private sector, based on open or 
> interoperable standards that are affordable and accessible to all, 
> available anywhere and anytime, to anyone and on any device, leading 
> to a ubiquitous network.
>
> *29. Our conviction* is that governments, the private sector, civil 
> society, the scientific and academic community, and users can utilise 
> various technologies and licensing models, including those developed 
> under proprietary schemes and those developed under open-source and 
> free modalities, in accordance with their interests and with the need 
> to have reliable services and implement effective programmes for their 
> people. Taking into account the importance of proprietary software in 
> the markets of the countries, *we reiterate* the need to encourage and 
> foster collaborative development, inter-operative platforms and free 
> and open source software, in ways that reflect the possibilities of 
> different software models, notably for education, science and digital 
> inclusion programmes.
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Re: [openhealth] Standards

[Molly Cheah]

There doesn't seem to be control of its use. Information (unofficial) of 
its copy rights by WONCA is here
http://www.ulb.ac.be/esp/wicc/copyright-en.html

You can download the electronic version of ICPC2 from here.
http://www.ulb.ac.be/esp/wicc/ceo.html

When we started using it 6 years ago, we were told it can be freely used 
in "research" i.e. if you're developing your software. Then I was told 
by a former member of the WONCA Int'l Classification Committee to go 
ahead and use it. Frankly I don't think WONCA is concerned about 
charging for its use. The people who seem to want to charge is 
University of Sydney Family Medicine Research Centre (BEACH project) and 
the resultant extensions developed called  ICPC2-Plus 
http://www.fmrc.org.au/

The ICPC-L mailing list is inactive and there is very little news from 
WONCA itself except for the BEACH project. I haven't been following the 
progress of the project but I know they've been very active. However, 
there doesn't seem to be a breakthrough in the use of ICPC2 even in 
Australian general practice which is a pity.

Molly
Alvin B. Marcelo wrote:

>As far as I know, the 'owners' of ICPC enforce a levy on its use.
>
>Is anyone from WONCA in this list?
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>Is it a fact that SNOMED is free for use even in developing countries?
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>>On May 11, 2006, at 8:23 AM, David Forslund wrote:
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>>>In the US  (and UK) SNOMED-CT is freely available.    Do folks use the
>>>ICPC-2 spec?  If so what do you all think of it?
>>>  
>>>
>>I thought it was only available freely within geographic boundaries  
>>and, within that, possibly only to members of certain organizations.  
>>Which limits the ability to roll it out more broadly. Is that correct  
>>and is any significant loosening on the immediate horizon?
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[openhealth] Code Breakers on BBC World TV

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http://www.apdip.net/news/fossdoc
A two-part documentary, “Code Breakers” will be aired on BBC World TV 
starting on 10 May 2006. Code Breakers investigates how poor countries 
are using FOSS applications for development, and includes stories and 
interviews from around the world.

Free/Open Source Software (FOSS) contains ‘codes’ that can be used, 
copied, studied, modified and redistributed without restriction. These 
freedoms that are for all – developers and users – are highly 
significant to the developing world as FOSS increases access, ownership 
and control of information and communication technologies.

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Re: [openhealth] Re: voting results

[Molly Cheah]

Apologies on the mix-up on dates - OSHCA registration submission was on 
the 28th April 2006, Inaugural meeting date was 24th April 2006. How 
could I make that mistake? Except the exhaustion being on the road 
participating in rigorious driving at the Vintage and Classic Cars 
Friendship Drive Penang - Singapore.
Molly
Molly Cheah wrote:

>Hi David,
>I had taken a break, with no internet connection after the "exciting" 
>OSHCA Inaugural Meeting that was held on the 28th April. I believe 
>Joseph had prepared the voting results to be posted here. He should be 
>doing this any time now.
>
>The duly elected protem committee will set out to work on the rules and 
>procedures for OSHCA while waiting for its official registration. 
>Naturally the protem committee would welcome volunteers and we hope to 
>make announcements on this soon.
>
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>David Forslund wrote:
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>>Will we hear the voting results or are they posted somewhere?
>>What is the point of the election unless the votes are reported?
>>Have I missed something?
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Re: [openhealth] Re: voting results

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Hi David,
I had taken a break, with no internet connection after the "exciting" 
OSHCA Inaugural Meeting that was held on the 28th April. I believe 
Joseph had prepared the voting results to be posted here. He should be 
doing this any time now.

The duly elected protem committee will set out to work on the rules and 
procedures for OSHCA while waiting for its official registration. 
Naturally the protem committee would welcome volunteers and we hope to 
make announcements on this soon.

Molly
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA - Notion of "founding members"

[Molly Cheah]

Will,
It was unfortunate that the term "founding" members was used during the 
discussion and though I had used the term in inverted commas, I must 
admit that it was my fingers that shoot faster than my brains at that 
early hour of the morning of the Inaugural meeting (7 a.m. local time). 
How it came about was when Tim Churches was trying to explain to other 
protem committee members the pre- registration process of OSHCA 
vis-a-vis membership registration of OSHCA before and after its 
registration. This is extracted from our internal discussions.

> Tim, you've expressed it eloquently. Some constitutions mention 
> founding members but I refrain from using it because some people tend 
> to look at founding members with suspicion (like an elite group).

The OSHCA membership list for both ordinary and associate members will 
have no reference to "founding" members at all because there is simply 
no such category. There will be no such references in any official 
document to the Registrar of Societies.

Technically even right now, I am not a member of OSHCA yet, until ROS 
gives gives its approval whether in the form of a temporary registration 
after submission, or registration after official approval. We were just 
a bunch of interested parties who move unanimously for the formation of 
OSHCA and accept all the resolutions that are requirements for OSHCA's 
registration. So I really don't understand why this term had become an 
issue for the registration of OSHCA.

Molly

Will Ross wrote:

>On Apr 26, 2006, at 5:48 AM, Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
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>  
>
>>A point or two on the notion of "founding members", for what it is  
>>worth:
>>
>>There is no "founding member" category of membership in the ROS  
>>process
>>for incorporating OSHCA...just Associate and Ordinary membersand
>>these categories apply after incorporation too.
>>    
>>
>
>joseph,
>
>true, there are only two named categories of members in the  
>constitution.   there is also an informal category of membership  
>known as a "founding" member.   for example:
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>- - - - < Begin forwarded message > - - - -
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>>From: Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Date: April 24, 2006 11:01:38 PM PDT
>>To: openhealth@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [openhealth] OSHCA Inaugural Meeting - Welcoming note
>>Reply-To: openhealth@yahoogroups.com
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>>- - - - < some deleted stuff > - - - -
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>>Dear all,
>>
>>It gives me great pleasure to welcome all those who are interested to
>>become the "founding" members of OSHCA
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>the "founding" member category is not a constitutional category.   it  
>is a social construct, and those who are "founders" deserve credit  
>for their accomplishment, while those who come afterwards can never  
>become a founder because it was a moment in time.
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[openhealth] OSHCA Inaugural Meeting - Closing remarks

[Molly Cheah]

Hi,

It's time that the Inaugural Meeting has come to a close, the longest 
inaugural meeting that allows interested and supportive people across 
the globe to move for the registration of OSHCA. The protem committee 
will take note of all comments and submission and will deliberate and 
then proceed to get OSHCA registered. I believe we have the right 
conditions to do it.

Thank you all for participating.

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[openhealth] OSHCA Inaugural Meeting - Welcoming note

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Hi everyone,

Further to my 7.02am note (just awoken then) and Joseph's subsequent instruction on the subject for today's discussion, I had copied and pasted that message below. The nice thing about this virtual "extended" meeting time frame is that I can add to my earlier note with some comments on the proceeding of the inaugural meeting so far (of course some people are still sleeping). As I had forgotten to "protect" the form when I uploaded it we found that the original form could have been changed unwittingly.

Instead of substituting the form half way through this meeting, can I suggest that you record all changes you made to the original form. For those who are unaware of how this is done, here are the steps:
1. Open the document.
2. Go to Edit, select changes and click on record.
3. Save the file as oshca_inaugural-meeting_yourname
4. Complete the form, including the required fields. (If you're applying for ordinary member and you're sensitive about the organisation you work for, enter Govt agency, Private University etc in place of the name of the organisation)
5. Save file as .pdf, .sxw or .odt file. 
6. E-mail file to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and copy to me.

Rgds,
Molly

Dear all,

It gives me great pleasure to welcome all those who are interested to 
become the "founding" members of OSHCA, though I am aware that I am 
within the "earshot" of others on the openhealth list who may not be 
interested in OSHCA at all. However, as past discussions had been 
carried out on this list, it is common knowledge that 25th April 2006 
between 00.01GMT and 24.00GMT marks the time for the OSHCA Inaugural 
Meeting whose main business is the formation of OSHCA as stated in the 
uploaded document

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/files/oshca_inaugural-meeting_notice.sxw 

Perhaps OSHCA has found an innovative way to hold a virtual inaugural 
meeting. Though discussions can take place here, the process for 
becoming a "founding" member of OSHCA and the procedures are in the said 
document. Feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions.

I hope as many of you would take this opportunity now but the membership 
will open again after OSHCA's registration.

Rgds,
Molly

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[openhealth] Re: oshca inaugural meeting - constitution

[Molly Cheah]

Hi Will,
What you have done is incorrect. As you disagree with the constitution, 
we will not be able to include your name in the list of founding members 
to the ROS simply because the ROS will not register OSHCA. Therefore 
there will be no OSHCA for you to be a member of.

I am posting this to the openhealth list for the information of others.

Molly
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> joseph,
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[openhealth] Re: OSHCA Inaugural Meeting: not-for-profit membership

[Dr Molly Cheah]

Hi Irving,
In Malaysia we still refer to organisations such as the Free MED 
Foundation as Civil Society by nature of its not-for-profit status. 
Article 5.4.2.1 provides for registration of non-profits under ". or 
its equivalent" which refers to Incorporation limited by guarantee and 
which has a not-for-profit status. Since OSHCA will be registered in 
Malaysia, we can accept FreeMED Foundation as a not-for-profit associate 
member.
The protem committee had not worked out the rules and regulations 
pertaining to "show of proof" of non-profit status.
You can change and re-submit as long as its within the inaugural meeting 
time as designated.
I'm copying this e-mail to the openhealth list (changing the subject) in 
case there are similar organisations like yours apply.
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> Dear Joseh and Molly:
>
> I'd like to remind you that section VI seems to include only FOR 
> PROFIT corporations and not the not-for-profit (such as the FreeMED 
> Foundation and others) who also work in the Open Source areas.
>
> We will join as an associate member but find that 'profit making 
> motive' clause of the corporation sector is EXCLUSIVE rather than 
> inclusive.
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Re: [openhealth] New file uploaded to openhealth

[Molly Cheah]

Dear all,

It gives me great pleasure to welcome all those who are interested to 
become the "founding" members of OSHCA, though I am aware that I am 
within the "earshot" of others on the openhealth list who may not be 
interested in OSHCA at all. However, as past discussions had been 
carried out on this list, it is common knowledge that 25th April 2006 
between 00.01GMT and 24.00GMT marks the time for the OSHCA Inaugural 
Meeting whose main business is the formation of OSHCA as stated in the 
uploaded document

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/files/oshca_inaugural-meeting_notice.sxw 

Perhaps OSHCA has found an innovative way to hold a virtual inaugural 
meeting. Though discussions can take place here, the process for 
becoming a "founding" member of OSHCA and the procedures are in the said 
document. Feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions.

I hope as many of you would take this opportunity now but the membership 
will open again after OSHCA's registration.

Rgds,
Molly

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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

[Molly Cheah]

Hi John,

Welcome on board. With you volunteering, we've got representations for 
all regions. I will amend the protem list to include your name. Juliana 
will e-mail separately to get additional information on you for 
submission to the ROS as a protem member.

Thank you for coming forward.

Molly
John L. Forman wrote:

>Dear All,
>
>In the absence of any other, I volunteer to represent Latin America & 
>Caribbean.
>
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>
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

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<>I'm going to upload the documents for the Inaugural meeting Notice as 
soon as the protem committee had a chance to look at it and give me 
feedback. However, at this point, there is one vacancy for a protem 
member representing Latin America & Caribbean. (By the way most of the 
references and names in lists used are taken from the United Nations) 
The people we source from Argentina, Brazil did not materialize. 
However, if there's anyone on this list from that region who will 
volunteer now, we'll give him/her priority otherwise anyone from any 
other region can volunteer to represent Latin America & Caribbean<>.
<>As you've volunteered, I don't think anyone will object to giving you 
preference if there is no Latin American or Caribbean volunteer. The 
other position is the auditor. I had to persuade Jason Tan to fill it as 
I couldn't find an alternative when Wayne Wilson moved to represent 
North America.
<><><>
The following volunteers were received for the Protem Committee of the 
organisation:-
/President/ : Molly Cheah
/Deputy President /: Thomas Beale
/Secretary/ : Joseph dal Molin
/Assistant Secretary/ : Juliana Tang
/Treasurer/ : Adrian Midgley
/Ordinary Committee Members/ :
William Lauesen (Africa/Middle East)
Nandalal Gunaratne (Asia)
Katarzyna Heller (Eastern Europe & Central Asia)
Christian Heller (Europe)
? (Latin America & Caribbean)
Wayne Wilson (North America)
Tim Churches (Oceania)
/Honorary Auditors/ :
K S Bhaskar
Jason Tan Boon Teck

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> molly,
>
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

[Molly Cheah]

Will Ross wrote:

>Molly,
>
>I'm sorry for failing to review the OSHCA 2.0 release document sooner  
>in the quickly moving process that is underway.   Let's just replace  
>all of my suggestions with the single observation that the Protem  
>Committee has assigned itself tremendous authority and is ramming  
>things through on such a rapid timeline that those of us in the rank  
>and file are being asked to waive all concerns so as not to derail  
>the process.   
>
Will, the community gave a similar mandate end of 2002, in fact a much 
stronger one  for OSHCA to be incorporated and one of the reasons given 
by one of the iBOD members is that there was no time frame for OSHCA's 
incorporation even after one year had passed. I took a different 
approach when I offered to get OSHCA registered. I put a time frame to 
it and I would like to think that whoever is interested in the processes 
would monitor the list regularly for updates and respond accordingly. 
I'm sorry to sound that I'm ramming things through but I need to keep to 
timelines for the deliverables that I promise.

>I will make no effort to slow the process down, but I  
>will observe that software developed under the same conditions is  
>generally suboptimal.   One of the primary benefits I enjoy from open  
>source software is not that it can be assembled hastily against an  
>aggressive deadline, without regard to quality, but that it is  
>developed under a process that can accommodate rapid corrections and  
>constant improvements to achieve a high standard of quality assurance  
>and usability.   
>
The analogy you gave above is, I think, inappropriate here. We're 
assembling a group of interested individuals to agree to a constitution 
for registering an organisation. This is not software development.

>I like the early beta version of your 2.0 OSHCA  
>project, but I am disappointed in the bugginess of RC1.   My  
>preference is for an elastic release date combined with very high QA  
>standards.   Perhaps in the long drought since the demise of OSHCA  
>1.0 we have become over eager to reanimate the beast.   
>
Unfortunately the elasticity of the earlier attempt to register led to 
the resignations of several iBOD members and OSHCA's demise (almost), 
hence its resurrection. I had also made it very clear when I took the 
responsibility for its registration that this is a new initiative and 
not a continuation of the previous effort.

Tim had addressed your points appropriately since.

>Since I have  
>no real standing in this process I will leave my observation where it  
>is.
>
>  
>
Will, I actually invited you to join the protem in a private e-mail but 
as you're aware I did not get a reply, so I moved on and requested for 
help from someone else. There will be the democratic process of 
elections after OSHCA's registration. I hope you will become a member so 
that you can participate in defining OSHCA's future and not turn it into 
a beast. The constitution is a living document. It will really be a 
marvellous achievemnent for the protem if a sprinkling of individuals 
across the globe agrees to adopt it as a start. I don't expect a 
majority across the globe to agree to all of the articles. The 
variations can be articulated in the chapters, subsequently What the 
protem is doing now is just preparatory work towards getting OSHCA 
registered.

Molly

>With best regards,
>
>[wr]
>
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>On Apr 22, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Molly Cheah wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Will,
>>Your suggestions below pose a dilemma for me because of the time  
>>frame.
>>As you're aware, in preparation for this inaugural meeting in 2 days'
>>time, the preparatory process to arrive at an acceptable constitution
>>went through 7 draft revisions, most of the work was done by the  
>>protem
>>committee and somewhere along the way, draft4 was uploaded to this  
>>list
>>from 7th April announced to the list on the 8th April and made  
>>available
>>to everyone for seven (7) days for their input. Procedures were  
>>laid out
>>in my e-mail to the list dated April 8th when I announced the  
>>upload of
>>the draft constitution. All accetable input and changes made had been
>>documented in the build status in build history and every draft is
>>available. As I said repeatedly the constitution is a living document
>>but somewhere along the line for drafting it, there has to be a cutoff
>>point for acceptance of input. Can I suggest that these be proposed  
>>for
>>amendments after OSHCA's registration i.e. during subsequent AGMs?
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

[Molly Cheah]

Hi Will,
Your suggestions below pose a dilemma for me because of the time frame. 
As you're aware, in preparation for this inaugural meeting in 2 days' 
time, the preparatory process to arrive at an acceptable constitution 
went through 7 draft revisions, most of the work was done by the protem 
committee and somewhere along the way, draft4 was uploaded to this list 
from 7th April announced to the list on the 8th April and made available 
to everyone for seven (7) days for their input. Procedures were laid out 
in my e-mail to the list dated April 8th when I announced the upload of 
the draft constitution. All accetable input and changes made had been 
documented in the build status in build history and every draft is 
available. As I said repeatedly the constitution is a living document 
but somewhere along the line for drafting it, there has to be a cutoff 
point for acceptance of input. Can I suggest that these be proposed for 
amendments after OSHCA's registration i.e. during subsequent AGMs?

Molly
Will Ross wrote:

>Some last minute suggestions.
>
>ARTICLE 1 - NAME
>
>The Organisation shall be known as Open Source Health Care Alliance,  
>hereafter referred to as "OSCHA", and shall be registered in Malaysia.
>
>
>ARTICLE 3 - CHAPTERS
>
>Why is South America omitted?   This collection of regions seems  
>complex.   The boundaries between regions is not obvious from the  
>text.  Why not use the same 6 global regions as FIFA?
>
>
>ARTICLE 5 - MEMBERSHIP
>
>5.2  -  The Committee when rejecting an application SHALL provide a  
>reason.
>
>
>ARTICLE 8 -  COMMITTEE
>
>9.8  -  In the event of the death or resignation of a member of the  
>Committee, the Committee shall have the power to APPOINT any other  
>member of OSHCA to fill the vacancy until the next annual general  
>meeting, but the member shall have the right to decline to be  
>appointed to the Committee without resigning from OSHCA.
>
>
>
>ARTICLE 11 - FINANCIAL PROVISIONS
>
>11.2  -  change "any officer or servant of OSHCA" to "any officer of  
>OSHCA or other volunteer"
>
>
>ARTICLE 14 - INTERPRETATION
>
>14.2  --  (improved wording)  Except when contrary to or inconsistent  
>with a policy previously established by a general meeting,  decisions  
>of the Committee shall be binding on all members of OSHCA unless or  
>until countermanded by a resolution at a general meeting.
>
>
>
>ARTICLE 16 - PROHIBITIONS
>
>16.4  -  I don't understand this.   Are Malaysian students who are  
>over 21 prohibited from joining OSHCA unless they have prior written  
>approval from the University?
>
>
>ARTICLE 17 - AMENDMENTS
>
>I would like to see a requirement that the exact wording of any  
>constitutional amendment must circulated ahead of a meeting.   I fear  
>the opportunity for the general meeting to compose and pass a  
>constitutional amendment without prior circulation to the larger  
>membership.
>
>
>Respectfully submitted,
>
>[wr]
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>
>
>
>On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Molly Cheah wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>I would like to announce the following:
>>1) 25th April 2006 will be the OSHCA Inaugural Meeting Day. The  
>>form for
>>participating in the inaugural meeting will be uploaded to the files
>>section of this list by 24th April. I will provide the procedures for
>>participating in this inaugural meeting by tomorrow as we need to
>>finalise the representation for Latin America & Caribbean which is  
>>still
>>outstanding.
>>2. The proposed OSHCA constitution (latest copy includes the OSHCA  
>>logo
>>under Article 19), the OSHCA regions list and the OSHCA  country  
>>list by
>>HDI (Human Development Index) are now available for you to  
>>download. The
>>regions list essentially provides information of the region your  
>>country
>>belongs to. Article 6 of the constitution provides for membership fees
>>which is based on the principles of equity and affordability and  
>>the HDI
>>list gives information on which category your country belongs to in  
>>the
>>HDI list.
>>
>>Please note that the protem committee had gone through 7 drafts of the
>>constitution which was also made available on this list for 7 days for
>>comments. However, the constitution itself is a living document.
>>
>>For the purpose of registering OSHCA all those who wish to be OSHCA
>>members need to agree to the constitution, agree to the resolutions
>>(this will be uploaded by the 24th April) and provide minimal personal
>>information all of which will be made available

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

[Dr Molly Cheah]

What Tim's response is what I was eluding to. Here's the relevant 
article in the constitution.


*6.1 - * The Committee shall prescribe a list of equitable membership 
entrance fee for different countries based on the UNDP’s 2005 Human 
Development Index (HDI) of the country. The entrance fee payable for 
membership shall be as follows (refer to List of Countries by HDI):-

*6.1.1 - Ordinary member*

Countries with High HDI USD10.00

Countries with Medium HDI USD5.00

Countries with Low HDI USD2.50


*6.1.2. - Associate member*

 1.

*- Civil Societies & Professional bodies*

Countries with High HDI USD20.00

Countries with Medium HDI USD10.00

Countries with Low HDI USD5.00

 2.

*- Corporations*

Countries with High HDI USD100.00

Countries with Medium HDI USD50.00

Countries with Low HDI USD25.00


*6.2 - * There shall be no monthly subscription payable. However, 
members are encouraged to donate to specific projects as and when necessary.


We've actually made the entrance fees very very affordable. These 
figures can be increased in subsequent amendments. However, as there is 
provision for donations and also special levies for projects, we can use 
those provisions for increasing contributions.

Molly
Tim.Churches wrote:

>Thomas Beale wrote:
>  
>
>>doesn't the fact of paying the same number but in your own currency fix
>>this? E.g. 50AUD, 50M$, 50Euro, 50rupiah, 50USD, 50yuan etc?
>>
>>
>
>Not really, because the granularity of currency units varies greatly
>between countries - consider, for example:
>
>50 Japanese Yen is only US$0.42
>50 Philippine pesos is US$0.96
>50 Mexican pesos is US$4.53
>50 Indonesian rupiah is US$0.00562895
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>  
>
>>But Tim
>>seems to be saying start with e.g. 50AUD and convert this to all the
>>other currencies?
>>
>>
>
>And then apply the HDI-based factor to reduce the amount for
>transitional and developing countries.
>
>  
>
>>My early concern (either way) would be the cost & resources of
>>accounting, $ transfer & processing etc. Even if the supposed income
>>covers the $-cost, will it realistically cover the human cost? Who will
>>do all this?
>>
>>
>
>No, the membership fee for each of the three HDI classes which Molly
>proposes should be specified in only US dollars and Euros, or perhaps
>only in Malaysian ringgit (that would make a refreshing change!).
>Conversion of each member's local currency to the prescribed membership
>fee would be the responsibility of the member and/or the payment
>mechanism eg Paypal, or your credit/debit card provider. If I buy
>something on the Internet from a vendor in a foreign country, my
>expectation is that prices will be quoted in US dollars, Euros or in the
>vendor's local currency, not in Australian dollars.
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

[Dr Molly Cheah]

Thomas Beale wrote:

>>A fund would then make sense to support these.
>>But I would like to postpone this discussion to the day when need arises.
>>    
>>
>doesn't the fact of paying the same number but in your own currency fix 
>this? E.g. 50AUD, 50M$, 50Euro, 50rupiah, 50USD, 50yuan etc? But Tim 
>seems to be saying start with e.g. 50AUD and convert this to all the 
>other currencies?
>
>My early concern (either way) would be the cost & resources of 
>accounting, $ transfer & processing etc. Even if the supposed income 
>covers the $-cost, will it realistically cover the human cost? Who will 
>do all this?
>
>- thomas
>
>
>  
>
My apologies for some "confusion" that relates to the membership fee. 
When we made changes to the drafts of the constitution, we made some 
drastic changes in relation to using the currencies of the different 
countries. William Lauesen drew my attention to the complexities using 
different currencies and he gave examples of them. We then took a change 
in approach by using the USD as reference currency but vary the amounts 
according to the countries' HDI status to address the issue of equity. 
The latest copy of the constitution that is available in the openhealth 
yahoogroups' file section provides for such changes. Incidently there 
are no annual fees charged for all categories of membership, even though 
we toyed with the idea of charging annual membership fees for the 
corporate members in our earlier drafts. We tried to simplify all 
processes for better management of OSHCA.

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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

[Dr Molly Cheah]

I believe that OSHCA should be a not-for-profit but not a charitable 
organisation. "Free" sometimes attract the wrong type of people who 
"may" make up the numbers but do not show commitment to OSHCA's cause. 
Besides there is a cost in servicing these free riders and I don't think 
we want OSHCA to be just a free riders' organisation. If there are 
people who are genuinely interested in becoming members and contributing 
towards OSHCA's objectives, but cannot afford the entrance fees, perhaps 
we can set up a donation fund to help them. This is what we did for the 
Malaysian Council for Tobacco Control (MCTC) and we got funds from 
Rockefeller Foundation to assist the poorer NGOs to be members. Our 
entrance fees was MYR200.00.

The amount to be collected should be such that it will offset the 
financial cost associated with the collection process, but yet 
affordable and equitable.

Rgds,
Molly
Christian Heller wrote:

>Hi,
>
>[..]
>  
>
>>look for non-profit foundation support rather than dues.  If the goals 
>>of OSHCA
>>are worthwhile, it shouldn't be hard to find grant support of some kind.
>>    
>>
>
>I've thought about this comment of Dave Forslund once more.
>
>Perhaps he's right and we should permit any private person to become
>a member of OSHCA, FOR FREE. Otherwise, there is always a barrier to
>enter, even with lowest fees.
>Companies, on the other hand, should be obliged to pay a certain amount,
>to thereby contribute to financing OSHCA.
>
>However, perhaps it is too late now to change that in the documents?
>We can still talk about it at the inaugural meeting, I guess.
>
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[Molly Cheah]

rthwhile, it shouldn't be hard to find grant support of some kind.
>  
>
Dave, it would be really nice if you help to get some funds as well. In 
fact the OSHCA constitution provides for donations as well. Right now my 
focus is to get OSHCA registered. To answer Fred's comment, there is no 
link. The information is my announcement and the files I uploaded to the 
files section of this list.

I hope when I upload the Inaugural Meeting form for participation by the 
24th April, everyone will support it and be a member. The membership 
fees will be paid only when OSHCA gets registered.

Molly

>Dave
>Fred Trotter wrote:
>  
>
>>Sorry, I do not find a link... should we be looking at www.oscha.org?? 
>>That
>>says the next meeting is in 2002 :)
>>
>>-FT
>>
>>On 4/21/06, Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>I would like to announce the following:
>>>1) 25th April 2006 will be the OSHCA Inaugural Meeting Day. The form for
>>>participating in the inaugural meeting will be uploaded to the files
>>>section of this list by 24th April. I will provide the procedures for
>>>participating in this inaugural meeting by tomorrow as we need to
>>>finalise the representation for Latin America & Caribbean which is still
>>>outstanding.
>>>2. The proposed OSHCA constitution (latest copy includes the OSHCA logo
>>>under Article 19), the OSHCA regions list and the OSHCA  country list by
>>>HDI (Human Development Index) are now available for you to download. The
>>>regions list essentially provides information of the region your country
>>>belongs to. Article 6 of the constitution provides for membership fees
>>>which is based on the principles of equity and affordability and the HDI
>>>list gives information on which category your country belongs to in the
>>>HDI list.
>>>
>>>Please note that the protem committee had gone through 7 drafts of the
>>>constitution which was also made available on this list for 7 days for
>>>comments. However, the constitution itself is a living document.
>>>
>>>For the purpose of registering OSHCA all those who wish to be OSHCA
>>>members need to agree to the constitution, agree to the resolutions
>>>(this will be uploaded by the 24th April) and provide minimal personal
>>>information all of which will be made available in the said form.
>>>
>>>As preparatory to the process, I suggest that you look through the
>>>constitution to familiarize with the Articles to understand your
>>>commitment if you chose to be a member of OSHCA.
>>>
>>>Rgds,
>>>Molly
>>>
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[openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

[Molly Cheah]

Hi everyone,

I would like to announce the following:
1) 25th April 2006 will be the OSHCA Inaugural Meeting Day. The form for 
participating in the inaugural meeting will be uploaded to the files 
section of this list by 24th April. I will provide the procedures for 
participating in this inaugural meeting by tomorrow as we need to 
finalise the representation for Latin America & Caribbean which is still 
outstanding.
2. The proposed OSHCA constitution (latest copy includes the OSHCA logo 
under Article 19), the OSHCA regions list and the OSHCA  country list by 
HDI (Human Development Index) are now available for you to download. The 
regions list essentially provides information of the region your country 
belongs to. Article 6 of the constitution provides for membership fees 
which is based on the principles of equity and affordability and the HDI 
list gives information on which category your country belongs to in the 
HDI list.

Please note that the protem committee had gone through 7 drafts of the 
constitution which was also made available on this list for 7 days for 
comments. However, the constitution itself is a living document.

For the purpose of registering OSHCA all those who wish to be OSHCA 
members need to agree to the constitution, agree to the resolutions 
(this will be uploaded by the 24th April) and provide minimal personal 
information all of which will be made available in the said form.

As preparatory to the process, I suggest that you look through the 
constitution to familiarize with the Articles to understand your 
commitment if you chose to be a member of OSHCA.

Rgds,
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[openhealth] [FOSS-PDI] Open Source/Standards/Medicine -- UNU event in NYC

[Molly Cheah]

- Original Message - From: "Philipp Schmidt" To: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If any of the readers are in the NYC 
area on Thursday 13 April, please stop by our open 
source/standards/medicine symposium. We have a range of great speakers 
and are hoping for a lively discussion. /p PS _ Apologies that my first 
post to this list is such shameless advertising -- but I honestly think 
this might be of interest to this group! --- UNU-MERIT holds Research 
Symposium on “Open Source” and “Open Medicine” at UN Headquarters Can an 
Intellectual Property regime designed to protect private interests be 
reformed to open up standards and knowledge? What results when 
government authorities promote free, open source software in their 
jurisdictions? Who (if anyone) should own or control access to the human 
genome sequence? What parallels can be drawn with the fundamental 
principles of 'openness' for science and society as a whole? These are 
among the issues to be discussed at a Research Symposium titled 
Challenging Intellectual Property Access to Knowledge Issues in Open 
Source and Medicine, at the UN Headquarters, New York, on 13 April 2006 
. The event is co-organized by the United Nations University -Office at 
the United Nations, New York , and UNU-MERIT. The speakers include: * 
Tim Hubbard, Head of Human Genome Analysis, The Wellcome Trust Sanger 
Institute, Cambridge, UK; * Louis-Dominique Ouédraogo, Retiring 
Inspector, UN Joint Inspection Unit; * Tadao Takahashi, Principal 
Investigator at Project Foresight ICTs-2015, Centre for Strategic 
Studies in Brazil; and * Rishab Aiyer Ghosh, Senior Researcher, 
UNU-MERIT. The event is open to interested members of the public. 
Registration forms can be downloaded from the website of the UNU Office 
at the United Nations , New York . (http://www.ony.unu.edu/) See full 
announcement (with embedded hyperlinks) here - http:// 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Molly Cheah]

Hi,

I have uploaded the OSHCA-registration_v1draft4 in pdf format for 
discussion on its contents. Please feel free to comment on any articles 
in the constitution. For ease of documentation, please quote the article 
number before giving your comments or proposals here.

Please also suggest how dissent should be handled. We hope to include 
your proposals into the draft document, unless there are dissenting  
views in which case either the protem will decide or there would be a 
vote. However, please note that the constitution is a living document 
and amendments can also be  made later.

Please also note that there are some provisions that will be specific in 
Malaysia such as Article 16 and Malaysian citizens such as Article 16.4. 
I have yet to include provisions that would be needed to obtain a tax 
free status for OSHCA. The only requirement I've included in so far is 
that of Article 11.2.

We hope to have this process completed at the end of a 7-day period. By 
then, I would put up the agreed resolutions for acceptance by the 
"members" which would form part of the documentations that would be 
submitted formally to the Registrar of Societies for registration. Below 
is a sample resolution for the formation of OSHCA. If you would like to 
add other resolutions please suggest on this list as well.

> _Formation of an Organisation_
>
> It was resolved that:-
>
> 1.1. This protem Committee form Open Source Health Care Alliance in 
> accordance with the Societies Act 1966, and the Societies Regulations 
> 1984, and all subsequent amendments:-
>
> Moved by :
>
> Seconded by :
>
> Passed : Unanimously
>
> It was resolved that:-
>
> 1.2. The above organisation be called Open Source Health Care Alliance
>
> Moved by:
>
> Seconded by:
>
> Passed : Unanimously
>
> It was resolved that:-
>
> 1.3. The address of this organisation be:
>
> Moved by:
>
> Seconded by:
>
> Passed : Unanimously
>
> _Election of Office Bearers_
>
> The following volunteers were received for Protem Office Bearers of 
> the organisation:-
>
> *President :
>
> *Deputy President :
>
> *Secretary and Deputy Secretary :
>
> *Treasurer :
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> *Committee Members :
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> :
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> :
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> :
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> :
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> :
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> :
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> In the absence of any opposition to the above positions,
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> It was resolved that:-
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> 1.4. The above persons be duly elected protem Office Bearers of the 
> Open Source Health Care Alliance
>
> Moved by:
>
> Seconded by:
>
> Passed : Unanimously
>
> _Constitution_
>
> A draft constitution, based on the "Model Society Constitution" 
> supplied by the Office of the Registrar of Societies, was tabled by 
> the protem committee for discussion and adoption.
>
> It was resolved that:-
>
> 1.5. The Constitution, as discussed and amended (and attached to these 
> minutes), be written out in full for signing by two Office Bearers for 
> submission to the Registrar of Societies, and a meeting of potential 
> members on a date to be decided.
>
> Moved by :
>
> Seconded by:
>
> Passed : Unanimously.
>
> _Registration of the Organisation_
>
> It was resolved that:-
>
> 1.6. The protem President proceed with the completion of the 
> registration forms to ensure a temporary registration as soon as possible.
>
> Moved by :
>
> Seconded by:
>
> Passed : Unanimously
>


One major question I have is: Should only those who participate in the 
resolution to accept the constitution be accepted as initial members of 
OSHCA and what are the members information we need to have in the 
membership register?

Target date for submission is now 20 April 2006

Rgds,
Molly


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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Molly Cheah]

Hi everyone,

In case anyone gets confused about Nandalal's references to the 
specificities of the draft constitution, I apologise that I was not able 
to upload the document to the list yet. I was waiting for further 
comments from the protem committee before making the document the final 
draft.

I'll be able to do this before the week-end.

Molly
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:

>Constitution of the Open Source Health Care Alliance   
>   Hi Molly,
> 
> A few questions/suggestions.
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[openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Molly Cheah]

Since the list has become unduly quiet, I'm taking this opportunity to 
provide a short update on the OSHCA registration.

The registration document is at version1 draft 3, sent out to the Protem 
Committee yesterday. I think we are quite close to the final draft, 
which will be uploaded to the list for comments and discussions, 
hopefully by tomorrow but for a limited period of time, possibly 7 days. 
I would also need to submit a list of resolutions for adoption, 
essentially to say that we all agree to the registration of OSHCA and 
adopting the constitution.

I had been to see the Registrar of Societies and obtained the necessary 
forms that was used as sample to develop the registration 
constitution/document. I had also spoken to GKP which used the 
incorporation method for their organisation - company limited by 
guarantee with a non-profit status. As a company is more costly to 
maintain, preliminary view of some protem committee members feel that we 
register under the Societies Act.

We will then provide a list of items for discussions (as guidelines) but 
you're welcomed to comment on any item, except for those which 
constitute minimal requirements for registration in Malaysia. Issues to 
think about are:
types of membership
membership info
membership dues
OSHCA chapters/country branches
office-bearers - how many, length of term etc.

Rgds,
Molly


 
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[openhealth] Geneva Forum - Towards Global Access to Health

[Molly Cheah]

>
>
> *GENEVA** FORUM - TOWARDS GLOBAL ACCESS TO HEALTH - *
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> *August 30- September 1st, 2006*
>
> *International Conference Centre of Geneva, Switzerland*
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> Website: website: http://www.hcuge.ch/genevahealthforum
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> THEMES:
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> Access to health systems, Access to drugs, vaccines & diagnosis, 
> Research & training, Communication and new technologies, International 
> mobility and Health, Humanitarian crisis and development, Civil 
> society and community based initiatives
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>  
>
> On the occasion of the 150e anniversary of Geneva Hospital,the Geneva 
> University Hospitals and the Faculty of Medicine of the University of 
> Geneva organize jointly an international Forum entitled "Towards 
> Global Access to Health" in partnership with the major national and 
> international organizations of the health sector (including WHO, ICRC, 
> The Global Fund, GAVI, Global Forum for Health research) and with the 
> support of the Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation and the 
> city of Geneva.
>
>  
>
> The Geneva Forum will provide a unique opportunity of an independent 
> approach for all participants to explore and suggest innovative 
> initiatives to improve access to health and care. It should lead to a 
> joint effort from all international organizations active in health and 
> humanitarian fields located in Geneva as well as representatives of 
> the civil society.
>
>  
>
> This Forum will consist of six plenary sessions, and several debates, 
> symposia, workshops, free communications and an exhibition space.
>
>  
>
> Five main tracks have been identified for the symposia and the workshops:
> I.Health systems and access,
> II.   Health and inequalities
> III.  Drugs, vaccines and diagnostics,
> IV. Civil society and social issues in health
>  V. Capacity building and partnerships
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> ABSTRACT SUBMISSION: 
> http://www.hcuge.ch/genevahealthforum/GeneralInstructions.html  
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Molly Cheah]

Brian,
In not underestimating the importance of the Minoru mail archives, can 
these be saved into a hard disk (40 or 80 G), since this is too big for 
the yahoo archive limit? I already have some pledges of financial 
support privately from some members and we can afford to purchase this 
harddisk :). In the context of the overall planning for OSHCA's role in 
open source in health care vis-a-vis the MDGs, I've already communicated 
with the relevant UN agencies to request for support for OSHCA and its 
activities. There shouldn't be any problem getting this support since 
our vision and mission meet some of the WSIS agenda and commitments, 
besides being based in a developing country. We can discuss offline the 
details of costs etc.

Rgds,
Molly
Brian Bray wrote:

>There have been 12928 messages. At a rough guess, this would consume 
>most of the storage capacity at Yahoo to have in a searchable format. 
>Some form of protection for email addresses in the archive would need to 
>be in place to prevent mining and spam.
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>The existing archive at mail-archive.com will, as far as I know, 
>continue to exist at least until the archive limit date. It goes back a 
>couple of years. The list was also archived at two or three other sites, 
>but I'm not sure if they are still operational.
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>I suggest that we use the existing archive for the time being and see if 
>there is a need for older messages.
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>>>-- Bhaskar
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Re: [openhealth] sumultaneous registrations and registration form

[Molly Cheah]

It is obvious you had not been around the community and don't know what 
you're talking about. The idea to ressurrect OSHCA was mooted in 
November 2005 just before the WSIS in Tunis. This protem committee was 
formed earlier this month and announced to the community on 28/3/2006 in 
my e-mail titled "Important annoucement and oshca update". The mandate 
to ressurrect OSHCA was given in January 2006.

Molly

Richard Schilling wrote:

>The protem committee taking four years to get this far is a pretty clear 
>indication that they've undermined themselves.
>
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>Richard
>
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>Molly Cheah wrote:
>  
>
>>Richard,
>>I would appreciate it if you allow the protem committee to make the 
>>decisions on OSHCA since the community has given us the mandate to 
>>resurrect OSHCA. Otherwise I feel that you're undermining our efforts. I 
>>don't understand why suddenly you're in such a hurry. Like many others, 
>>Tim Cook, Bhaskar etc had expressed earlier there can be 
>>chapters/branches etc formed later.
>>
>>The discussions and sentiments expressed here will certainly be taken 
>>into consideration by the protem committee. I would like to appeal to 
>>you not to complicate the matter further otherwise your intentions may 
>>be misconstrued. Please let me complete my job and my responsibility to 
>>the community.
>>
>>I did not think that my intention to update the community with 
>>information would lead to a kind of upstaging the protem committee's 
>>efforts. If you proceed to register OSHCA it will be tantamount to 
>>acting in bad faith, as I had been negotiating with Brian on behalf of 
>>the community.
>>
>>Molly
>>Richard Schilling wrote:
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>>>Since OSCHA is an internationl body we can register siultaneously, and 
>>>choose the base to be anywhere.
>>>
>>>Is the incorporation in Malaysia going to be doing business or just 
>>>representing FOSS industry interests?  Depending on the answer to that 
>>>here are our choices here in the U.S. that I can pursue now:
>>>
>>>Trade association — Definition.
>>>
>>> trade associations don't "do business" but exist to exert
>>> influence on a market.  This seems to me the best fit for OSCHA
>>> if the organization does not intend to own things like
>>> copyrighted software.  Gets around the  international
>>> intellectual property issues on software for OSCHA
>>> as well.
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Re: [openhealth] sumultaneous registrations and registration form

[Molly Cheah]

Richard,
I would appreciate it if you allow the protem committee to make the 
decisions on OSHCA since the community has given us the mandate to 
resurrect OSHCA. Otherwise I feel that you're undermining our efforts. I 
don't understand why suddenly you're in such a hurry. Like many others, 
Tim Cook, Bhaskar etc had expressed earlier there can be 
chapters/branches etc formed later.

The discussions and sentiments expressed here will certainly be taken 
into consideration by the protem committee. I would like to appeal to 
you not to complicate the matter further otherwise your intentions may 
be misconstrued. Please let me complete my job and my responsibility to 
the community.

I did not think that my intention to update the community with 
information would lead to a kind of upstaging the protem committee's 
efforts. If you proceed to register OSHCA it will be tantamount to 
acting in bad faith, as I had been negotiating with Brian on behalf of 
the community.

Molly
Richard Schilling wrote:

>Since OSCHA is an internationl body we can register siultaneously, and 
>choose the base to be anywhere.
>
>Is the incorporation in Malaysia going to be doing business or just 
>representing FOSS industry interests?  Depending on the answer to that 
>here are our choices here in the U.S. that I can pursue now:
>
>Trade association — Definition.
>
>   trade associations don't "do business" but exist to exert
>   influence on a market.  This seems to me the best fit for OSCHA
>   if the organization does not intend to own things like
>   copyrighted software.  Gets around the  international
>   intellectual property issues on software for OSCHA
>   as well.
>
>   "Trade association," as that term is used here
>   means a membership organization of persons engaging in a similar
>   or related line of commerce, organized to promote and improve
>   business conditions in that line of commerce and not to engage
>   in a regular business of a kind ordinarily carried on for profit
>   and for which no part of net earnings inures to the benefit of
>   any member.
>
>
>Non-Profit Corporation - Definition.
>
>   Non-Profit Corporations conduct business (e.g. provide products
>   and services) and can also have an influencing effect.
>
>   A nonprofit corporation is an organization formed as a
>   corporation for purposes other than generating a profit, and in
>   which no part of the organization's income is distributed to its
>   directors or officers. Nonprofits are formed pursuant to state
>   law, often under the Revised Model Non-Profit Corporation Act
>   (1986). A nonprofit can be a church or church association,
>   school, charity, medical provider, legal aid society, volunteer
>   service organization, professional association, research
>   institute, museum, or in some cases a sports association. Being
>   formed with the state as a nonprofit corporation does not
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Re: next steps. (was Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update)

[Molly Cheah]

See this. http://www.samba.org/~tridge/fta_statement.html

The US normally uses these Free Trade Agreements to backdoor their 
legislation into the legislation of the target nations. this has 
happened previously in Chile, Australia for starters with every nation 
who’s signed the FTA being subject to American legislation. somehow as a 
citizen of an independent nation, it is abhorrent that legislators in 
another country can decide what i should be doing in my country and 
depriving the legislators which we voted in the freedom to decide how to 
govern.

the FTA itself forces signatory countries to duplicate/mirror lots of 
american legislation to the detriment of the smaller countries, Malaysia 
included. my understanding of how this affects us is limited to 
intellectual property rights and the ICT industry, but i’m sure there’re 
other trade segments which are similarly affected.

And this is interesting... Unfortunately the US is turning its attention 
to Malaysia for its next FTA. Sri Lanka may be on the agenda, who knows.

>
>   As stated by Third World Network legal advisor Chee Yoke Ling,
>   TWN, CAP and SAM have been analyzing the FTAs already signed by
>   the US with several developing countries, and they are also
>   monitoring the controversial negotiations with Thailand that
>   have led to massive public protests and demonstrations in
>   Thailand because of the potential adverse impact of such a FTA.
>
>   At the forum on “The implications of the Malaysia-US FTA on
>   Malaysian Citizens” organized by the three organizations, many
>   concerns were raised at the discussion, including the impact of
>   reducing tariffs on sensitive products such as rice, giving US
>   investors the right to sue the Malaysian Government, changing
>   Malaysian intellectual property laws that would make medicines
>   very expensive and opening up vital sectors of our economy.
>
>   Malaysia and the US started preliminary discussions on the FTA
>   early this year. The pressure is on for the Malaysia-US FTA to
>   be signed before June 2007, as the Trade Promotion Authority
>   (TPA) which grants the US President a fast track authority
>   without going to Congress is to be dissolved on 1st July 2007.
>
Molly
Richard Schilling wrote:

>Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
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>> Definitely no anti-US sentiments from here.
>> 
>> But we worry about the laws which stifle the development of lesser developed 
>> countires in their progress inICT.
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>Really?  That amazes me. Alright, I'll play U.S. QnA session here.  Tell 
>me your concerns and I'll try to address them as they relate to OSCHA 
>operating internationally with members in the U.S.
>
>First off...
>
>Silly patents that have been applied for are irrelevant to OSCHA. 
>Membership in the WTO, as Malaysia has achieved, help protect OSCHA's 
>intellectual properties.
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>If OSCHA is registered in the U.S. as a trade association all anyone has 
>to do is sign up.  It's that easy.
>
>If OSCHA is registered as a domestic, U.S. non-profit corporation all we 
>have to do is direct OSCHA resources to carry out its mission in other 
>countries.  OSCHA branches in other countries might have different 
>limitations and permissions on its activities.
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[openhealth] What is OSHCA going to be

[Dr Molly Cheah]

Based on recent postings perhaps I am wrong in using the term 
"incorporation" for ressurrecting OSHCA and making it a legal entity. I 
can understand the fear of business-minded individuals. I would from now 
on use the word "registration". I would like to re-post the Vision, 
Mission, Principles and Activities as discussed in this mailing list.

*Open Source Health Care Alliance (OSHCA)*
The Open Source Health Care Alliance is a non-profit organisation that 
provides the collaborative platform and forum to promote and facilitate 
open source software in health care. OSHCA's membership consists of a 
community of people in the health care and informatics industries that 
promotes the open source software concept in health care. OSHCA helps 
policy makers, commercial enterprises, and users take advantage of the 
benefits of open source. *

Vision:*
Free and Open Source Health Care Software will provide a viable and 
sustainable alternative in mainstream ICT for positive impact in health 
outcomes as adjunct to building a global knowledge society. *

Mission:*
1. Advocacy role to promote to policy makers the concept of open source 
in health care so as to adopt or give equal opportunity to open source 
solutions
2. Provide leadership role in refining the FOSS concepts as applied to 
health care to ensure best practices and patient safety are not compromised
3. Makes recommendations on Guidelines on Health Information Standards 
to support open data (data interchange and data language) standards and 
strongly advocating adherence to them
4. Provides Guidelines for Quality Control on open source software 
development
5. Participates / supports in Human Capacity Building, including 
contributing and participating in project proposals and project 
management to achieve developing country priorities
6. Collaborates, shares technical knowledge in open source health care 
projects in addition to providing Information Resources to open source 
health software developers
7. Promotes and helps the formation of development consortia for health 
care related projects, including assisting in finding funding for 
projects to reach critical mass for a visible and lasting impact on 
health related MDGs
8. Solicits membership from strategic organizations

*Principles* /
1. Promote a globally sustainable approach/
Open source software development encourages global collaboration. OSHCA 
will encourage approaches that seek active participation by users, 
developers, and policy makers from all parts of the world. /
2. Stay lightweight and flexible/
In the spirit of open source where development is user and needs driven, 
facilitation needs to support highly desirable dynamism, adaptability, 
and flexibility. This approach seeks to facilitate natural processes 
that produce unprecedented quality, usability, and cost effectiveness. /
3. Be open to diverse opinions and technologies/
OSHCA is inclusive of all health care-related open source activities. In 
an open source world, the success of an idea, standard, or product is 
measured by its practical use. /
4. Ethical Deployment/
OSHCA's focus is the legal and ethical deployment of reliable and robust 
open source systems in all areas of health care. This means taking 
leadership role to ensure standards are maintained and working with 
legislative and standards bodies to encourage the inclusion of open 
source principals in their policies

*Activities*
1. OSHCA Conference
2. Maintain OSHCA web-portal
3. Maintain database of open source health care softwares
4. Maintain database of open source programmers
5. Maintain database of individuals, non-profits and commercial 
enterprises supporting and maintaining open source health care softwares
6. Form groups on developing guidelines on health information standards, 
quality control on open source software development, etc

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Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

[Dr Molly Cheah]

My apologies, I mean qualify the governance of OSHCA's "assets"
Molly
Dr Molly Cheah wrote:

>I've "copy and paste" the email from Networksolutions on the completion 
>of the transfer of oshca.org from Minoru Corporation to OSHCA which is 
>self explanatory on your question "who owns the domain name". oshca.net 
>is the other domain name that is owned by OSHCA.
>Nationally the incorporation of OSHCA will quality the governance of 
>these "assets".
>
>I've also noted that Brian has posted to the list on the use of 
>openhealth on the yahoo list and the closure of the Minoru list.
>Molly
>Fred Trotter wrote:
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>>I think at a certain point this becomes an issue of doers vs. talkers.
>>Talking is fine, but from previous discussions I understood that while many
>>people are interested there are few that can commit serious money or time to
>>this process. I know that I certainly cannot afford any time to help right
>>now.
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>>If Dr. Cheah is willing to do the encorporation work, then I think Dr. Cheah
>>should choose were to encorporate. If, later, the goals of the organization
>>do not square with the location of encorporation then they can simply
>>encorporate somewhere else. The issue is who owns the domain name. 
>>
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>>Dear Network Solutions Customer,
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>>Your transfer request has been successfully completed. Please see 
>>below for the details of the transfer:
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>> From Account Number: 24342680
>> From Account Holder: Minoru Development Corporation
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>> To Account Number: 30023835
>> To Account Holder: The Open Source Health Care Alliance
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>>Domain Name(s):
>>OSHCA.ORG
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>>If you have any questions or need assistance, please contact Customer 
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>>Thank you for choosing Network Solutions. We are committed to 
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>>re-encorporating boils down to transferring the domain owner, pretty simple.
>>
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>>I am not trying to say that the issues being discussed are not important, I
>>am only saying that moving forward is more important. Let the doers decide.
>>
>>-FT
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Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

[Dr Molly Cheah]

I've "copy and paste" the email from Networksolutions on the completion 
of the transfer of oshca.org from Minoru Corporation to OSHCA which is 
self explanatory on your question "who owns the domain name". oshca.net 
is the other domain name that is owned by OSHCA.
Nationally the incorporation of OSHCA will quality the governance of 
these "assets".

I've also noted that Brian has posted to the list on the use of 
openhealth on the yahoo list and the closure of the Minoru list.
Molly
Fred Trotter wrote:

>I think at a certain point this becomes an issue of doers vs. talkers.
>Talking is fine, but from previous discussions I understood that while many
>people are interested there are few that can commit serious money or time to
>this process. I know that I certainly cannot afford any time to help right
>now.
>
>If Dr. Cheah is willing to do the encorporation work, then I think Dr. Cheah
>should choose were to encorporate. If, later, the goals of the organization
>do not square with the location of encorporation then they can simply
>encorporate somewhere else. The issue is who owns the domain name. 
>
>
> Dear Network Solutions Customer,
>
> Your transfer request has been successfully completed. Please see 
> below for the details of the transfer:
>
>  From Account Number: 24342680
>  From Account Holder: Minoru Development Corporation
>
>  To Account Number: 30023835
>  To Account Holder: The Open Source Health Care Alliance
>
> Domain Name(s):
> OSHCA.ORG
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> If you have any questions or need assistance, please contact Customer 
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> Thank you for choosing Network Solutions. We are committed to 
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> the time of purchase. You can view the complete Service Agreement 
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>So
>re-encorporating boils down to transferring the domain owner, pretty simple.
>
>
>I am not trying to say that the issues being discussed are not important, I
>am only saying that moving forward is more important. Let the doers decide.
>
>-FT
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Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

[Dr Molly Cheah]

at Malaysia is politically unstable and I don't know of 
any assets that had been suddenly owned by someone else. But I'm amazed 
by your perceptions of Malaysia. I would be happy to play host and 
invite you to come and see Malaysia.

>4. Government funding: incorporating in a country because "it looks like 
>there's government funding" is a bad idea. You need a much harder offer 
>than that.  What are the incentive programs, specifically that the other 
>government offers?  Who, specifically in the government, is offering them?
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I've not mentioned about Govt funding. I did say that it would be easier 
to get funding for OSHCA activities from the likes of organisations like 
UNDP, IDRC, CIDA, SIDA etc. Maybe I failed to "market" or "hard sell" 
Malaysia for our purpose. As for incentive programmes and other Govt 
offers, it is obvious that you are not aware of the Malaysian Govt's 
Policy on Open Source, incentives related to ICT companies and projects. 
There are too many to enumerate here. I did a google search on 
Malaysia's incentives for ICT and they're all there. However, after all 
these efforts I wonder if the members of OSHCA are capable to make a 
difference to push the open source agenda in health care especially in 
the developing world. I must quality that this is my main interest - the 
developing world that needs help.

Molly

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>>independance from the British and from whom our legal framework was 
>>adopted. Just wondering what are the concerns of Richard and David on 
>>the legal protection for OSHCA. Can you elaborate rather than make a 
>>comment that imply there isn't legal protection. Incidently we don't 
>>have the equivalence of Guantanano Bay in Malaysia.
>>Molly
>>Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
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>>>Legal protection in the context of an organization like OSHCA is IMHO 
>>>not a major concern. What is more important is how the countries laws 
>>>influence governance.
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>>>David Forslund wrote:
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>>>>matter is the legal protection
>>>>provided by the incorporation in the various countries participating,
>>>>which I think was Richard's point.
>>>>
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Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

[Molly Cheah]

David,
There "is" and not "may be" because there are legal frameworks (acts of 
parliament) that governs corporations, civil societies, unions etc. If 
OSHCA is to be my organisation, I would have it up in 3 days (not one as 
suggested by Richard). My timeline of 3 months is not due to "technical 
grounds" for setting it up but rather to allow members and the protem 
committee to discuss and accept what should go into the incorporation 
papers. The procedures are laid out and transparent.
Even the choice of incorporation in a developing country went through 
discussions on this list and there were no objections. I picked Malaysia 
because I'm from here and I had undertaken to do the job. If anyone else 
would like to volunteer to do the job please by all means.

The other reason why I picked Malaysia is provided by the evidence of 
the incorporation and success of the global knowledge partnership 
http://www.globalknowledge.org. There are several other similar 
organisations too. And look at the list of GKP members, their activities 
etc. Please enumerate what we want to do in OSHCA that is not done by 
global knowledge partnership. We had already gone through discussions on 
OSHCA's vision, mission statements, principles and activities.

Though this is out of context here, Malaysia has a secular constitution 
and therefore it is "not" an islamic country, though majority of the 
population are muslims. Unfortunately the media especially in the US 
says we  are an islamic state and most people rely on the media for 
information and believes them. But this (muslim or secular) should not 
be of concern to anyone.

Molly
David Forslund wrote:

>There may be legal protection, etc in Malaysia.  We are more familiar 
>with the situation in the US.
>It is more of a question of comparing what is required and what you can 
>do with a corporation
>in Malaysia than in the US.  The decision shouldn't be made on political 
>grounds but on technical grounds,
>in my opinion.
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>Dave
>Molly Cheah wrote:
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>>I was born in Malaysia and lived through the period where we obtained
>>independance from the British and from whom our legal framework was
>>adopted. Just wondering what are the concerns of Richard and David on
>>the legal protection for OSHCA. Can you elaborate rather than make a
>>comment that imply there isn't legal protection. Incidently we don't
>>have the equivalence of Guantanano Bay in Malaysia.
>>Molly
>>Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
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>>>Legal protection in the context of an organization like OSHCA is IMHO
>>>not a major concern. What is more important is how the countries laws
>>>influence governance.
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>>>David Forslund wrote:
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>>>>matter is the legal protection
>>>>provided by the incorporation in the various countries participating,
>>>>which I think was Richard's point.
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Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

[Molly Cheah]

I was born in Malaysia and lived through the period where we obtained 
independance from the British and from whom our legal framework was 
adopted. Just wondering what are the concerns of Richard and David on 
the legal protection for OSHCA. Can you elaborate rather than make a 
comment that imply there isn't legal protection. Incidently we don't 
have the equivalence of Guantanano Bay in Malaysia.
Molly
Joseph Dal Molin wrote:

>Legal protection in the context of an organization like OSHCA is IMHO 
>not a major concern. What is more important is how the countries laws 
>influence governance.
>
>David Forslund wrote:
>  
>
>>I don't understand why this is good or even relevant.  What should
>>matter is the legal protection
>>provided by the incorporation in the various countries participating,
>>which I think was Richard's point.
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Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

[Molly Cheah]

Hmmm It hadn't crossed my mind at all that discussions on the 
suitability of the country for incorporation will be approached from 
those perspectives mentioned. I thought we were approaching this issue 
(developing vs developed countries) from the funding perspectives (not 
mentioning developing countries' perception and acceptance of developed 
countries' agenda). Besides there are more needs by developing countries 
for open source health care systems as a viable and sustainable 
alternative which we hope OSHCA can play a significant role as a 
non-profit, apolitical entity for maximum impact in health outcomes.

See global knowledge partnership http://www.globalknowledge.org/ as an 
example of a similar organisation incorporated in Malaysia to harness 
the potential of ICT for a sustainable and equitable development globally.

Molly
Tim.Churches wrote:

>Richard Schilling wrote:
> > If I were involved in the incorporation (which I can do, by the way in a
>  
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>>day) I would object to doing it in Malaysia.  I would do it in the U.S.
>>first.  The protections offered a U.S. corporation might be much greater
>>than in Malaysia.
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>Glad that you have compared US and Malaysian corporate law. Personally I
>think it is great that OSHCA will finally be incorporated, and given the
>current Zeitgeist in many rich countries, that it will be incorporated
>under a flag bearing the crescent and star.
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>>Molly Cheah wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > I am happy to annouce that the transfer of the domain name oshca.org
>> > from Brian had been completed. Brian is in the process of creating and
>> > signing a document disclaiming rights to the OSHCA trademark. Thank you
>> > Brian for these initiatives.
>> >
>> > I understand that Brian will also make a decision with regards to the
>> > fate of the openhealth lists on Minoru and Yahoo by this weekend. I'll
>> > leave that to Brian to make that annoucement.
>> >
>> > As for the status of OSHCA, the protem committee members (volunteers
>> > expressed on the list as well as those agreed to serve when requested)
>> > are as follows:
>> > Joseph dal Molin (Canada/US)
>> > Adrian Midgley (UK/Europe)
>> > Thomas Beale (Australia/Pacific islands)
>> > Nandalal Gunaratne (Sri Lanka/Asia)
>> > Molly Cheah (Malaysia/Asia)
>> >
>> > I hope to keep the protem committee small for quick decision making but
>> > hope to add 2 more names, preferably from South America and
>> > Africa/Middle East by the time we submit the incorporation documents for
>> > registration. Please volunteer. These numbers and representation
>> > structure can change after incorporation if members wish so. I don't
>> > know how much discussion should go into the incorporation process or how
>> > much time should be alotted. My proposed timeline for completion of
>> > incorporation is 3 months from 15th April 2006 - tentative date for
>> > submission of papers. We should have OSHCA ressurrected by 15th July
>> > 2006, barring unforseen circumstances. Here are my assumptions in order
>> > to realise this initiative:
>> > 1. Provisions in the constitution/M&A of OSHCA is a living document and
>> > can be changed by members' majority wishes. For purpose of
>> > incorporation, we will take into consideration past discussions
>> > (2002-2004) and make the provisions as general and flexible as possible
>> > to meet incorporation requirements.
>> > 2. There is no objection to incorporate ina developing country like
>> > Malaysia. There will be provisions for setting up geographical
>> > sections/branches etc with as much de-centralization as possible.
>> > 3.The Vision, Mission Statements, Principles and Activities as discussed
>> > earlier this year will be included in the incorporation papers. Any
>> > suggestion of changes posted on the Yahoo list by 15th April will be
>> > taken into consideration by the protem committee for incorporation.
>> > Procedures will be provided for amendments to be made after incorporation.
>> > 4. Elections for new committee members can take place immediately after
>> > incorporation. Provision will be made for the protem committee to stay
>> > on for a defined number of months to attend to "teething" issues that
>> > may arise.
>> > 5. The yahoo list will continue to discuss organising the 1st
>> > post-incorporation OSHCA meeting scheduled for later part of 2006 to
>> > kick-

[openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

[Molly Cheah]

Dear all,

I am happy to annouce that the transfer of the domain name oshca.org 
from Brian had been completed. Brian is in the process of creating and 
signing a document disclaiming rights to the OSHCA trademark. Thank you 
Brian for these initiatives.

I understand that Brian will also make a decision with regards to the 
fate of the openhealth lists on Minoru and Yahoo by this weekend. I'll 
leave that to Brian to make that annoucement.

As for the status of OSHCA, the protem committee members (volunteers 
expressed on the list as well as those agreed to serve when requested) 
are as follows:
Joseph dal Molin (Canada/US)
Adrian Midgley (UK/Europe)
Thomas Beale (Australia/Pacific islands)
Nandalal Gunaratne (Sri Lanka/Asia)
Molly Cheah (Malaysia/Asia)

I hope to keep the protem committee small for quick decision making but 
hope to add 2 more names, preferably from South America and 
Africa/Middle East by the time we submit the incorporation documents for 
registration. Please volunteer. These numbers and representation 
structure can change after incorporation if members wish so. I don't 
know how much discussion should go into the incorporation process or how 
much time should be alotted. My proposed timeline for completion of 
incorporation is 3 months from 15th April 2006 - tentative date for 
submission of papers. We should have OSHCA ressurrected by 15th July 
2006, barring unforseen circumstances. Here are my assumptions in order 
to realise this initiative:
1. Provisions in the constitution/M&A of OSHCA is a living document and 
can be changed by members' majority wishes. For purpose of 
incorporation, we will take into consideration past discussions 
(2002-2004) and make the provisions as general and flexible as possible 
to meet incorporation requirements.
2. There is no objection to incorporate ina developing country like 
Malaysia. There will be provisions for setting up geographical 
sections/branches etc with as much de-centralization as possible.
3.The Vision, Mission Statements, Principles and Activities as discussed 
earlier this year will be included in the incorporation papers. Any 
suggestion of changes posted on the Yahoo list by 15th April will be 
taken into consideration by the protem committee for incorporation. 
Procedures will be provided for amendments to be made after incorporation.
4. Elections for new committee members can take place immediately after 
incorporation. Provision will be made for the protem committee to stay 
on for a defined number of months to attend to "teething" issues that 
may arise.
5. The yahoo list will continue to discuss organising the 1st 
post-incorporation OSHCA meeting scheduled for later part of 2006 to 
kick-start/launch OSHCA. This may not be in the form of a full 
conference. I would like to see presentations of current status of open 
source healthcare solutions/applicaions. It should also provide the 
opportunity to include indepth discussions on planning for the future of 
OSHCA so that its resurrection becomes meaningful - reflecting more than 
just a community of open source enthusiasts in health care. If there are 
no other bidders, I plan to get funding to do this in Malaysia. 
Naturally it may be on a modest scale.

Please feel free to propose ideas.The protem committee will work on an 
action plan and invite volunteers to help.

Molly




 
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Re: [openhealth] Fwd: [Hardhats-members] Open source and accessibility

[Molly Cheah]

??. Greg, you can't forward a message to the yahoo list. The message 
gets chopped off, as I discovered recently.

Molly
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[openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]

[Molly Cheah]

Thank you Brian for this timely decision. I sincerely hope this will be 
a start for a new era for the OSS in Healthcare Community. I have 
forwarded this e-mail to the Yahoo list for discussion. Many of you who 
had not signed on the yahoo list may have missed out on the discussion 
on the ressurrection of OSHCA. I will be moving for the ressurrection 
quickly now. Barring unforseen circumstances and a change in sentiments, 
we should see OSHCA back as well as one openhealth list. In the meantime 
I'm going to post on both lists and I look to getting support for my 
actions based on decisions made during past discussions for the 
ressurrection on OSHCA.

Molly

Brian Bray wrote:

> Thanks everyone for the feedback.
>
> I have a proposal that I've worked out with Molly Cheah, who is 
> working to incorporate the Open Source Health Care Alliance (OSHCA).  
> Joseph Dal Molin, Tim Cook, and Adrian Midgley were also involved.
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> The proposal is to form the Openhealth list at OSHCA.ORG managed by 
> volunteers for OSHCA. This list and the Yahoo list would be moved and 
> closed. The OSHCA domain name and trademark would be transfered as 
> soon as possible to facilitate this event.
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> This proposal would realise a goal that I have had for a long time. As 
> far as I can determine, it would meet all the concerns expressed over 
> the last few days.
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> Please comment on this proposal and feel free to ask any questions 
> either on the lists or directly to Dr. Cheah or myself.
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Re: [openhealth] [Fwd: List future [was: Why are you here?]]

[Molly Cheah]

Apologies. Didn't realise that the content of Brian's e-mail got chopped 
off. Here is the content, copied and pasted.

Molly

> Thanks everyone for the feedback.
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> I have a proposal that I've worked out with Molly Cheah, who is 
> working to incorporate the Open Source Health Care Alliance (OSHCA).  
> Joseph Dal Molin, Tim Cook, and Adrian Midgley were also involved.
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> The proposal is to form the Openhealth list at OSHCA.ORG managed by 
> volunteers for OSHCA. This list and the Yahoo list would be moved and 
> closed. The OSHCA domain name and trademark would be transfered as 
> soon as possible to facilitate this event.
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> This proposal would realise a goal that I have had for a long time. As 
> far as I can determine, it would meet all the concerns expressed over 
> the last few days.
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> Please comment on this proposal and feel free to ask any questions 
> either on the lists or directly to Dr. Cheah or myself.
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> -Brian
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>I am forwarding this e-mail from Brian Bray which was posted to the 
>Minoru list. please feel free to comment. I will address the progress of 
>the ressurrection of OSHCA later.
>Rgds,
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