Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
Hi, I. The Linux market on the other hand is becoming very over loaded with folks and servers. What that means at the end of the day is lower profit margins for vendors and lower wages for workers. Seems like times have changed. Linux professionals are currently in high demand and they make 10% more then other IT workers. http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/02/18/linux-jobs-are-hot/ Even the Linux Foundation launched free web classes to meet the growing Linux professional demand. quote: The maturity of Linux combined with a new economic reality in IT has led to a another cycle of accelerated growth for the Linux operating system quote: IT analyst firm Foote Brothers has reported a 50 percent increase in this demand in just the last year. The Linux Foundation’s webinar series and expanded training program aims to offer technical classes in all the skill areas most valuable to the growing Linux job market. http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/press/2010/01/25/linux-foundation-launches-free-training-webinar-series-to-meet-growing-demand-for-linux-professionals/ geez I'm also adding the Oracle Enterprise linux certs to my list. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] The Case of The Missing Drive
+-- | On 2010-06-02 16:13:13, Andrew Greimann wrote: | | When I ls /dev from the terminal, I get a zillion lines. I'm aware from reading a post or two Solaris works with drive slices but what in the world is a drive slice in relevance to my partition? I'm also aware that sda# that Linux would map no longer exist here but it's more like (e.g. /dev/dsk/c0d0p2) on Solaris. | | Out of all these lines dumped from /dev, do you think you could help me pinpoint the drive if possible, so it could be mounted? And is mount used the same way if it is FAT32 (e.g. mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5)? Thanks. You want one of the following: format /dev/null cfgadm -al iostat -En -- bdha cyberpunk is dead. long live cyberpunk. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
On 06/ 1/10 11:59 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: I just read AMD opterons and Linux is powering the worlds fastest supercomputer. If the x86 platform and Linux now has the capacity to produce this type of results, where does this leave Power and SPARC platfroms? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-opterontm-process or-again-dominates-top500-2010-05-31?reflink=MW_news_s tmp The graphics here are interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10187248.stm -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org They are indeed interesting, but what I find more interesting is that there are more X86 platforms running linux then there are POWER platform running AIX and SPARC platforms running Linux/Solaris. when looked under By Processor from the top tabs SO, this makes me ask if POWER and SPARC platforms running AIX and SOLARIS are more superior then x86 platform running Linux, then why are they not being used more to build supercomputers? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10187248.stm -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
03.06.2010 14:01, Edward Martinez пишет: On 06/ 1/10 11:59 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: I just read AMD opterons and Linux is powering the worlds fastest supercomputer. If the x86 platform and Linux now has the capacity to produce this type of results, where does this leave Power and SPARC platfroms? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-opterontm-process or-again-dominates-top500-2010-05-31?reflink=MW_news_s tmp The graphics here are interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10187248.stm -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org They are indeed interesting, but what I find more interesting is that there are more X86 platforms running linux then there are POWER platform running AIX and SPARC platforms running Linux/Solaris. when looked under By Processor from the top tabs SO, this makes me ask if POWER and SPARC platforms running AIX and SOLARIS are more superior then x86 platform running Linux, then why are they not being used more to build supercomputers? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10187248.stm I believe reason is simple it is acceptable performace/price ratio for x86 hardware with regards to math calculations. You would not need all this visualization support provided by POWER and SPARC hardware and corresponding to them operating system for HPC. So why pay for something you wouldn't need? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
Matrurity of Linux That is a funny mix of words, and certainly not how I would conjoin them. Consider SLES9 was released only a few years ago, yet with an ext3 filessytem you cannot grow it online! In AIX 3.2, circa 1995, you could grow a filesystem online. A supposedly modern operating system and filesystem cannot do what was achievable 12 years ago by another filesystem and operating system? That is just one thing which proves the fallacy of Linux and makes a mockery of its droids. With AIX 6.1 and POWER 7, IBM has Active Memory Expansion which allows a server to utilize 100% more RAM than it physically has installed. AIX 6.1 has Kernel Recovery which allows it to recover from errors in selected routines. AIX 6.1 with POWER 6 has Kernel Storage Protection Keys to increase serviceability by enhancing the detection of incorrect kernel storage references. AIX 5.3 came out with the Geographic Logical Volume Manager which is partly from HACMP XD. Cluster Systems Management which was previously PSSP. AIX is light years ahead of Linux which can only hope to someday have a mere fraction of AIX's capabilities and technologies. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
Well, despite i agree with you to a certain degree don't you think you are being a little bit unbalanced towards IBM tech? Despite the fact that Linux does indeed lacks some things, it also provides quite a huge amount of enterprise features but for a fraction of the price of AIX. It's like having the a real fancy sports car like a Ferrari that has all sorts of great technologies and saying that having for instance a Suburu Impreza it's a bad one, just because it doesn't have all those nice technologies. For me i think that what makes a real impact is the ability , or lack of, to choose the right tool for the right job. Bruno On 3-6-2010 13:19, bsd wrote: Matrurity of Linux That is a funny mix of words, and certainly not how I would conjoin them. Consider SLES9 was released only a few years ago, yet with an ext3 filessytem you cannot grow it online! In AIX 3.2, circa 1995, you could grow a filesystem online. A supposedly modern operating system and filesystem cannot do what was achievable 12 years ago by another filesystem and operating system? That is just one thing which proves the fallacy of Linux and makes a mockery of its droids. With AIX 6.1 and POWER 7, IBM has Active Memory Expansion which allows a server to utilize 100% more RAM than it physically has installed. AIX 6.1 has Kernel Recovery which allows it to recover from errors in selected routines. AIX 6.1 with POWER 6 has Kernel Storage Protection Keys to increase serviceability by enhancing the detection of incorrect kernel storage references. AIX 5.3 came out with the Geographic Logical Volume Manager which is partly from HACMP XD. Cluster Systems Management which was previously PSSP. AIX is light years ahead of Linux which can only hope to someday have a mere fraction of AIX's capabilities and technologies. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] The Case of The Missing Drive
Thank you paul for this great explanation. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Paul Gress pgr...@optonline.net Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 01:50:31 To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] The Case of The Missing Drive ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
03.06.2010 14:01, Edward Martinez пишет: On 06/ 1/10 11:59 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: I just read AMD opterons and Linux is powering the worlds fastest supercomputer. If the x86 platform and Linux now has the capacity to produce this type of results, where does this leave Power and SPARC platfroms? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-opterontm-process or-again-dominates-top500-2010-05-31?reflink=MW_news_s tmp The graphics here are interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10187248.stm -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org They are indeed interesting, but what I find more interesting is that there are more X86 platforms running linux then there are POWER platform running AIX and SPARC platforms running Linux/Solaris. when looked under By Processor from the top tabs SO, this makes me ask if POWER and SPARC platforms running AIX and SOLARIS are more superior then x86 platform running Linux, then why are they not being used more to build supercomputers? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10187248.stm elieve reason is simple it is acceptable performace/price ratio for x86 hardware with regards to math calculations. You would not need all this visualization support provided by POWER and SPARC hardware and corresponding to them operating system for HPC. So why pay for something you wouldn't need? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org I'm beginning to get it. Here are few quotes from article quote: The announcement of high-end servers by IBM and Hewlett-Packard this week won't halt declining Unix server sales as the onslaught of x86 servers continues, analysts said on Tuesday. quote: But even the new chips will have little effect on reviving the declining sales of Unix servers, analysts said. Customers are increasingly opting for servers based on x86 chips, which are getting more powerful and entering markets traditionally dominated by Unix servers. quote: A lot of customers are switching to x86 servers because of lower hardware and software costs attached to acquiring and maintaining the systems, said Jim McGregor, technology strategist at In-Stat. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/188951/ibm_hp_servers_wont_stop_x86_onslaught_on_unix.html I guess this would also apply to supercomputers? I think it's also the reason behind Micrsoft decision to drop Itanium support quote: Why the change? The natural evolution of the x86 64-bit (’x64′) architecture has led to the creation of processors and servers which deliver the scalability and reliability needed for today’s ‘mission-critical’ workloads,’” [Dan] Reger wrote. “Just this week, both Intel and AMD have released new high core-count processors, and servers with eight or more x64 processors have now been announced by a full dozen server manufacturers. Such servers contain 64 to 96 processor cores, with more on the horizon.” http://insidehpc.com/2010/04/06/microsoft-drops-itanium-support/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] How to set NFS permissions
Hi, I have a ZFS share but am unable to access the share from a Windows PC. The windows PC mounts the share but indicates No Access. I can't find any useful information on how to grant access to an NFS share. Any ideas on how to give a user on a WIndows PC access to the NFS share. They don't have a login on the OpenSolaris NFS server. Any suggestions on whether its perhaps better to share using SMB as this seems to have better facilities for granting users access. Thanks -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to set NFS permissions
Hi, I have a ZFS share but am unable to access the share from a Windows PC. The windows PC mounts the share but indicates No Access. I can't find any useful information on how to grant access to an NFS share. Any ideas on how to give a user on a WIndows PC access to the NFS share. They don't have a login on the OpenSolaris NFS server. Any suggestions on whether its perhaps better to share using SMB as this seems to have better facilities for granting users access. Thanks I not really sure but I think either SMB or Microsoft® Windows® Services for UNIX needs to be used http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463203.aspx -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to set NFS permissions
Thanks, yes I have the Windows NFSClient installed and the share gets mounted correctly. Just unable to access the files on the share - presumably because some permissions need to be set on the server side. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
IBM has released AIX 6.1 with three different price levels: express edition, standard edition, and enterprise edition. The express edition costs $300 per core. Three hundred per core with the features available, GLVM, KSPK, Kernel Recovery, etc.; it is more bang-for-the-buck than you would get with RHEL. Just consider the fact with AIX you have NIM included at no cost, allowing you to do at no cost what you pay $300 per machine with RHEL to do with their Satellite server. With Linux, I feel like I'm floating in a rubber raft hoping it doesn't spring a leak and there aren't any sharks. With AIX, I feel like I'm sailing in the luxury of a 100-foot yacht, with the protection of a US Navy cruiser. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to set NFS permissions
Thanks, yes I have the Windows NFSClient installed and the share gets mounted correctly. Just unable to access the files on the share - presumably because some permissions need to be set on the server side. Then I think sharectl command needs to be used along with sharemgr i can be wrong. http://blogs.sun.com/lubos/entry/how_to_share_zfs_over http://developers.sun.com/openstorage/articles/opensolaris_storage_server.html http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-1634/gecpc?a=view http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/SSMBAG/smbcmdsdaemonsfiles.html#sharectlcommand -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to set NFS permissions
The NFS share is already set up and works fine from my Macbook, just not from the Windows PC. But the the Macbook is running UNIX and the user ID is the same as the user id on the opensolaris server. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to set NFS permissions
The NFS share is already set up and works fine from my Macbook, just not from the Windows PC. But the the Macbook is running UNIX and the user ID is the same as the user id on the opensolaris server. If it's works with other UNIX then I the think something may be wrong on the windows side. I suggest to also post on the windows forum how to configure windows to access NFS on UNIX. http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/category/w7itpro -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
The ark has been developed by the men led by God's hands, hasn't it?Professional above all professionals! (no irony, no sarcasm) The main fact is that at some point during development you experiencevery high challenges due to mistakes you made during the early timesof design and development when you even did not know what designwas. When you achieve such limitations then you could consider thatyour development approached its upper limits since fixing one error couldcause ten new ones. Of course you could do re-factoring, and otherstrategies but fact is that your development is approaching end. Uros NedicBelgrade, Serbia Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:34:56 -0700 From: mindbende...@live.com To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle. IBM has released AIX 6.1 with three different price levels: express edition, standard edition, and enterprise edition. The express edition costs $300 per core. Three hundred per core with the features available, GLVM, KSPK, Kernel Recovery, etc.; it is more bang-for-the-buck than you would get with RHEL. Just consider the fact with AIX you have NIM included at no cost, allowing you to do at no cost what you pay $300 per machine with RHEL to do with their Satellite server. With Linux, I feel like I'm floating in a rubber raft hoping it doesn't spring a leak and there aren't any sharks. With AIX, I feel like I'm sailing in the luxury of a 100-foot yacht, with the protection of a US Navy cruiser. LOL, are you trying to recruit me as customer? I'm dedicated to (Open) Solaris and LInux on x86 platforms. So you are saying that AIX is built by professionals and it's better then Linux and linux is being built by amateurs? well,this reminds me of the quote: Professionals built the Titanic, amateurs the ark guess which one sank at it's time of critical? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
On 03.06.2010 14:54, bsd wrote: IBM has released AIX 6.1 with three different price levels: express edition, standard edition, and enterprise edition. The express edition costs $300 per core. And how well does AIX run on hardware with no RS6000 or PowerPC processor? //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Dev repository last catalog update is March 6, 2010?
Mike Gerdts mger...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Erik Trimble wrote: All that said, I'm still a little mystified as to why the normal development builds are being held back. Could it be because pkg image update is known to work pretty well going forward (b134 - b134b) but is known not to work well or is untested for going backward (b142 - b134b)? Or could there be other things (e.g zfs version 23 in b135) that would make going back to b134b problematic? If so, I suspect that this is a matter of protecting people from getting into a state where they can't transition from a dev build to a release build. People that really want to do development can (subject to periodic hiccups) do development on current bits by building their own. Sorry to side track a little here... I've seen that mentioned in several places recently, about building from sources. I wondered if there is a cache of info about doing that somewhere? Maybe some basic instructions or general outline of how to go at it? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to set NFS permissions
Duncan Groenewald dagroenew...@optusnet.com.au writes: The NFS share is already set up and works fine from my Macbook, just not from the Windows PC. But the the Macbook is running UNIX and the user ID is the same as the user id on the opensolaris server. I think you were on the right track wondering if smb would not be better. It is after all the native protocol to windows. But that doesn't mean you need to stop using nfs. Far as I know the share can have both turned on... I have that setup in several places. I recommend you zfs set smbshare=on file/system zfs set smbshare=name=somecoolname file/system Then somecoolname will be what windows sees and uses. You do need to start the smb server of course. If things are setup ok then `svcadm enable -r smb/server' You may need to join a work group too. Maybe someone else can supply that info, its been so long ago that I did that I've forgotten the required commands. Once these things are done I'd recommend you use a tried and tested chmod command that has ben mentioned on these forums many times as a way to cure windows to solaris server problems. (Note it is `/bin/chmod' in case solaris native chmod is not first in your path... gnu chmod doesn't now anything about this command) /bin/chmod -R A=everyone@:full_set:fd:allow /file/system/containing/share Once that is done then let windows do the rest, like creating directories or whatever. Before actually doing any of the above, you may want to verify its not going to cause some kind of mess. My usage is strictly homeboy home lan so any problems are not going to effect anyone else but me.. if that isn't true in your case... please verify the above procedure. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Missing partition on opensolaris: help?
Sorry I've replied to the post late! Thank you for the help so far! I'll work with the terminal using the commands you've supplied and get back to you shortly. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Dev repository last catalog update is March 6, 2010?
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Mike Gerdts mger...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Erik Trimble wrote: All that said, I'm still a little mystified as to why the normal development builds are being held back. Could it be because pkg image update is known to work pretty well going forward (b134 - b134b) but is known not to work well or is untested for going backward (b142 - b134b)? Or could there be other things (e.g zfs version 23 in b135) that would make going back to b134b problematic? If so, I suspect that this is a matter of protecting people from getting into a state where they can't transition from a dev build to a release build. People that really want to do development can (subject to periodic hiccups) do development on current bits by building their own. Sorry to side track a little here... I've seen that mentioned in several places recently, about building from sources. I wondered if there is a cache of info about doing that somewhere? Maybe some basic instructions or general outline of how to go at it? Good starting points are: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+indiana/building_on http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/downloads#HBuildingOpenSolaris When you stumble trying to follow these processes (some of which will be slightly out of date at any given time) it is best to ask for help at tools-discuss, on-discuss, or another list where the developers are more likely to hang out. -- Mike Gerdts http://mgerdts.blogspot.com/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
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The ark has been developed by the men led by God's hands, hasn't it?
Professional above all professionals! (no irony, no sarcasm)
Since bsdfan in the comment before mine describe AIx as a luxury 100-foot
yacht and Linux a rubber raft reminded me of Titanic; that used some of
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built out of wood by noah did better.
made me remember the quote I once read:
Professionals built the Titanic, amateurs the ark
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Re: [osol-discuss] Dev repository last catalog update is March 6, 2010?
Mike Gerdts mger...@gmail.com writes: Good starting points are: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+indiana/building_on http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/downloads#HBuildingOpenSolaris Thanks .. great clues. I noticed at the first URL the author made the mistake often made, that everyone in the world knows what he's talking about... and thereby never bothers to tell the reader what `ON' means. Looks like a title like: Building and testing ON on the OpenSolaris Distribution Would demand at a minimum that the author say what `ON' is. But this seems like an excellent start... thanks again. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
Part of AIX's strength is that is runs on dedicated hardware, so what you ask means nothing. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
On 6/3/2010 5:06 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: 03.06.2010 14:01, Edward Martinez пишет: On 06/ 1/10 11:59 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: I just read AMD opterons and Linux is powering the worlds fastest supercomputer. If the x86 platform and Linux now has the capacity to produce this type of results, where does this leave Power and SPARC platfroms? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-opterontm-process or-again-dominates-top500-2010-05-31?reflink=MW_news_s tmp The graphics here are interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10187248.stm -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org They are indeed interesting, but what I find more interesting is that there are more X86 platforms running linux then there are POWER platform running AIX and SPARC platforms running Linux/Solaris. when looked under By Processor from the top tabs SO, this makes me ask if POWER and SPARC platforms running AIX and SOLARIS are more superior then x86 platform running Linux, then why are they not being used more to build supercomputers? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10187248.stm elieve reason is simple it is acceptable performace/price ratio for x86 hardware with regards to math calculations. You would not need all this visualization support provided by POWER and SPARC hardware and corresponding to them operating system for HPC. So why pay for something you wouldn't need? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org I'm beginning to get it. Here are few quotes from article quote: The announcement of high-end servers by IBM and Hewlett-Packard this week won't halt declining Unix server sales as the onslaught of x86 servers continues, analysts said on Tuesday. Once again, they're missing the point - volume sales of UNIX systems are in a slow decline (as are systems like Mainframes). However, per-sale *revenue* is generally up (Q1Y2010 was an anomaly, as discussed before). Where UNIX systems are losing to x64 is the same place they lost to Windows a decade ago: workstations and department/workgroup servers, plus the add-on retirement of web servers. They're not losing in the back-end server segment at all. quote: But even the new chips will have little effect on reviving the declining sales of Unix servers, analysts said. Customers are increasingly opting for servers based on x86 chips, which are getting more powerful and entering markets traditionally dominated by Unix servers. No, they're really NOT. The transition from SPARC/POWER/Alpha/etc to x86 for smaller servers started over a decade an a half ago. But, fundamentally, even x64 hasn't made much of any dent in the Big Iron UNIX sales, just as UNIX systems can't make much of a dent in the Mainframe market. Sure, nobody buys a 2-CPU Sparc or Power system anymore, but that's been true for almost a decade. Nothing new there (and, darned little change in sales outcome). I don't see 50-way x64 boxes. I don't see x64 boxes with all the nice RAS features of a SPARC or POWER system. I don't see financial institutions replacing their NonStop boxes with x64. And, x64 still has a horrible performance/watt compared to other designs. UNIX systems lost the small server market in the 1990s. More recently, it has been shown that x64 is sufficient for massively-scalable cluster systems. But they're holding on strong in their back-end server arena, just like Mainframes are holding onto their batch-processing crown. And the T-series SPARC chips showed that certain classes of problems that were owned by the x64 weren't so dominated as everyone though... quote: A lot of customers are switching to x86 servers because of lower hardware and software costs attached to acquiring and maintaining the systems, said Jim McGregor, technology strategist at In-Stat. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/188951/ibm_hp_servers_wont_stop_x86_onslaught_on_unix.html I guess this would also apply to supercomputers? Nope. The reason Linux/x64 dominates supercomputers these days is that we've re-defined what a supercomputer is. Supercomputing *used* to be considered single-image systems which were amazingly fast at serial computions (think all the CRAY systems), or had enormous parallel throughput (ThinkingMachines stuff). However, in the mid-90s, it was discovered that many modern problems are analyzable by massive parallel-processing. NASA's Beowulf system was a proof-of-concept that you could stitch large numbers of low-powered clients into a giant parallel cluster. But's they're NOT single-image systems, and they're completely unsuitable for
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
On 6/3/2010 11:45 AM, bsd wrote: Part of AIX's strength is that is runs on dedicated hardware, so what you ask means nothing. Not so much that it runs on dedicated hardware, but that it runs on *well-designed* hardware. You can build *well-designed* hardware with commodity parts, but then you have porting costs... (which is why Solaris is sooo nice - runs on both commodity hardware AND custom hardware...) -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Missing partition on opensolaris: help?
Thanks for the commands and support so far. The only issue is that when I type the commands you had specified, and...@netbook:~# rmformat Looking for devices... No removables found. and...@netbook:~# format Searching for disks...done AVAILABLE DISK SELECTIONS: 0. c8d0 DEFAULT cyl 9844 alt 2 hd 255 sec 63 /p...@0,0/pci-...@1f,2/i...@0/c...@0,0 Specify disk (enter its number): (Which of course, at this point, I break with ^C as I don't want to destroy disks.) All this happens. And only one partition shows up?! This isn't making sense. Now, upon ls /dev/dsk, assuming OpenSolaris' 'slices' were here, I get (as I described earlier) these, which I'm not going to try to mount individually: and...@netbook:~$ ls /dev/dsk c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0 c10t0d0s14 c1t3d0p1 c7t0d0s15 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0p0 c10t0d0s15 c1t3d0p2 c7t0d0s2 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0p1 c10t0d0s2 c1t3d0p3 c7t0d0s3 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0p2 c10t0d0s3 c1t3d0p4 c7t0d0s4 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0p3 c10t0d0s4 c1t3d0s0 c7t0d0s5 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0p4 c10t0d0s5 c1t3d0s1 c7t0d0s6 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s0 c10t0d0s6 c1t3d0s10 c7t0d0s7 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s1 c10t0d0s7 c1t3d0s11 c7t0d0s8 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s10 c10t0d0s8 c1t3d0s12 c7t0d0s9 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s11 c10t0d0s9 c1t3d0s13 c8d0p0 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s12 c11t0d0p0 c1t3d0s14 c8d0p1 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s13 c11t0d0p1 c1t3d0s15 c8d0p2 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s14 c11t0d0p2 c1t3d0s2 c8d0p3 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s15 c11t0d0p3 c1t3d0s3 c8d0p4 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s2 c11t0d0p4 c1t3d0s4 c8d0s0 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s3 c11t0d0s0 c1t3d0s5 c8d0s1 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s4 c11t0d0s1 c1t3d0s6 c8d0s10 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s5 c11t0d0s10 c1t3d0s7 c8d0s11 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s6 c11t0d0s11 c1t3d0s8 c8d0s12 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s8 c11t0d0s12 c1t3d0s9 c8d0s13 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s9 c11t0d0s13 c2t0d0p0 c8d0s14 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0p0 c11t0d0s14 c2t0d0p1 c8d0s15 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0p1 c11t0d0s15 c2t0d0p2 c8d0s2 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0p2 c11t0d0s2 c2t0d0p3 c8d0s3 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0p3 c11t0d0s3 c2t0d0p4 c8d0s4 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0p4 c11t0d0s4 c2t0d0s0 c8d0s5 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s0 c11t0d0s5 c2t0d0s1 c8d0s6 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s1 c11t0d0s6 c2t0d0s10 c8d0s7 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s10 c11t0d0s7 c2t0d0s11 c8d0s8 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s11 c11t0d0s8 c2t0d0s12 c8d0s9 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s12 c11t0d0s9 c2t0d0s13 c9t0d0p0 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s13 c1t0d0p0c2t0d0s14 c9t0d0p1 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s14 c1t0d0p1c2t0d0s15 c9t0d0p2 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s15 c1t0d0p2c2t0d0s2 c9t0d0p3 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s2 c1t0d0p3c2t0d0s3 c9t0d0p4 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s3 c1t0d0p4c2t0d0s4 c9t0d0s0 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s4 c1t0d0s0c2t0d0s5 c9t0d0s1 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s5 c1t0d0s1c2t0d0s6 c9t0d0s10 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s6 c1t0d0s10 c2t0d0s7 c9t0d0s11 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s7 c1t0d0s11 c2t0d0s8 c9t0d0s12 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s8 c1t0d0s12 c2t0d0s9 c9t0d0s13 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s9 c1t0d0s13 c7t0d0p0 c9t0d0s14 c10t0d0p0 c1t0d0s14 c7t0d0p1 c9t0d0s15 c10t0d0p1 c1t0d0s15 c7t0d0p2 c9t0d0s2 c10t0d0p2 c1t0d0s2c7t0d0p3 c9t0d0s3 c10t0d0p3 c1t0d0s3c7t0d0p4 c9t0d0s4 c10t0d0p4 c1t0d0s4c7t0d0s0 c9t0d0s5 c10t0d0s0 c1t0d0s5c7t0d0s1 c9t0d0s6 c10t0d0s1 c1t0d0s6c7t0d0s10 c9t0d0s7 c10t0d0s10c1t0d0s7c7t0d0s11 c9t0d0s8 c10t0d0s11c1t0d0s8c7t0d0s12 c9t0d0s9 c10t0d0s12c1t0d0s9c7t0d0s13 c10t0d0s13 The partition IS there--OpenSolaris just isn't picking it up as external/removable or internal after the OpenSolaris installation replacing the customized Linux install I had previously had running. I learned of OpenSolaris, and two days ago decided to give it a shot over Linux. I'm proficient with Linux, just not completely with OpenSolaris yet. The underlying system works differently, apparently... I thought
Re: [osol-discuss] Missing partition on opensolaris: help?
The output of format shows disks, not partitions. Run: fdisk /dev/rdsk/c8d0p0 You should see the defined partitions there. The first partition maps to: /dev/rdsk/c8d0p1, the second to p2, etc. - Keith On 06/ 3/10 02:04 PM, Andrew Greimann wrote: Thanks for the commands and support so far. The only issue is that when I type the commands you had specified, and...@netbook:~# rmformat Looking for devices... No removables found. and...@netbook:~# format Searching for disks...done AVAILABLE DISK SELECTIONS: 0. c8d0DEFAULT cyl 9844 alt 2 hd 255 sec 63 /p...@0,0/pci-...@1f,2/i...@0/c...@0,0 Specify disk (enter its number): (Which of course, at this point, I break with ^C as I don't want to destroy disks.) All this happens. And only one partition shows up?! This isn't making sense. Now, upon ls /dev/dsk, assuming OpenSolaris' 'slices' were here, I get (as I described earlier) these, which I'm not going to try to mount individually: and...@netbook:~$ ls /dev/dsk c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0 c10t0d0s14 c1t3d0p1 c7t0d0s15 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0p0 c10t0d0s15 c1t3d0p2 c7t0d0s2 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0p1 c10t0d0s2 c1t3d0p3 c7t0d0s3 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0p2 c10t0d0s3 c1t3d0p4 c7t0d0s4 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0p3 c10t0d0s4 c1t3d0s0 c7t0d0s5 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0p4 c10t0d0s5 c1t3d0s1 c7t0d0s6 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s0 c10t0d0s6 c1t3d0s10 c7t0d0s7 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s1 c10t0d0s7 c1t3d0s11 c7t0d0s8 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s10 c10t0d0s8 c1t3d0s12 c7t0d0s9 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s11 c10t0d0s9 c1t3d0s13 c8d0p0 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s12 c11t0d0p0 c1t3d0s14 c8d0p1 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s13 c11t0d0p1 c1t3d0s15 c8d0p2 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s14 c11t0d0p2 c1t3d0s2 c8d0p3 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s15 c11t0d0p3 c1t3d0s3 c8d0p4 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s2 c11t0d0p4 c1t3d0s4 c8d0s0 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s3 c11t0d0s0 c1t3d0s5 c8d0s1 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s4 c11t0d0s1 c1t3d0s6 c8d0s10 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s5 c11t0d0s10 c1t3d0s7 c8d0s11 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s6 c11t0d0s11 c1t3d0s8 c8d0s12 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s8 c11t0d0s12 c1t3d0s9 c8d0s13 c0t600C0FF007FC940DE0717A00d0s9 c11t0d0s13 c2t0d0p0 c8d0s14 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0p0 c11t0d0s14 c2t0d0p1 c8d0s15 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0p1 c11t0d0s15 c2t0d0p2 c8d0s2 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0p2 c11t0d0s2 c2t0d0p3 c8d0s3 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0p3 c11t0d0s3 c2t0d0p4 c8d0s4 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0p4 c11t0d0s4 c2t0d0s0 c8d0s5 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s0 c11t0d0s5 c2t0d0s1 c8d0s6 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s1 c11t0d0s6 c2t0d0s10 c8d0s7 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s10 c11t0d0s7 c2t0d0s11 c8d0s8 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s11 c11t0d0s8 c2t0d0s12 c8d0s9 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s12 c11t0d0s9 c2t0d0s13 c9t0d0p0 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s13 c1t0d0p0c2t0d0s14 c9t0d0p1 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s14 c1t0d0p1c2t0d0s15 c9t0d0p2 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s15 c1t0d0p2c2t0d0s2 c9t0d0p3 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s2 c1t0d0p3c2t0d0s3 c9t0d0p4 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s3 c1t0d0p4c2t0d0s4 c9t0d0s0 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s4 c1t0d0s0c2t0d0s5 c9t0d0s1 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s5 c1t0d0s1c2t0d0s6 c9t0d0s10 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s6 c1t0d0s10 c2t0d0s7 c9t0d0s11 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s7 c1t0d0s11 c2t0d0s8 c9t0d0s12 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s8 c1t0d0s12 c2t0d0s9 c9t0d0s13 c0t600C0FF0081A783147566300d0s9 c1t0d0s13 c7t0d0p0 c9t0d0s14 c10t0d0p0 c1t0d0s14 c7t0d0p1 c9t0d0s15 c10t0d0p1 c1t0d0s15 c7t0d0p2 c9t0d0s2 c10t0d0p2 c1t0d0s2c7t0d0p3 c9t0d0s3 c10t0d0p3 c1t0d0s3c7t0d0p4 c9t0d0s4 c10t0d0p4 c1t0d0s4c7t0d0s0 c9t0d0s5 c10t0d0s0 c1t0d0s5c7t0d0s1 c9t0d0s6 c10t0d0s1 c1t0d0s6c7t0d0s10 c9t0d0s7 c10t0d0s10c1t0d0s7c7t0d0s11 c9t0d0s8 c10t0d0s11c1t0d0s8c7t0d0s12 c9t0d0s9 c10t0d0s12c1t0d0s9c7t0d0s13 c10t0d0s13 The partition IS there--OpenSolaris just isn't picking it up as external/removable or internal after the OpenSolaris installation replacing the customized Linux
[osol-discuss] Missing partition on opensolaris: help?
Thanks, everyone! I have a *small* understanding now of OpenSolaris disks! The disk is now mounted and I used ls -l to list it by mount point when I finished mapping it out. (In case anyone was wondering, I originally wrote premoron/pre in one sentence. The blog five-starred it when I reviewed the blog later. Just in case others were wondering. I guess it doesn't allow that word. I'll remember that.) :) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.
On Jun 3, 2010, at 4:19 AM, bsd wrote: Matrurity of Linux That is a funny mix of words, and certainly not how I would conjoin them. Consider SLES9 was released only a few years ago, yet with an ext3 filessytem you cannot grow it online! In AIX 3.2, circa 1995, you could grow a filesystem online. A supposedly modern operating system and filesystem cannot do what was achievable 12 years ago by another filesystem and operating system? Actually, that's no longer true. Ext3 filesystems can be resized online (in both directions) starting with the 2.6.x kernels. However, it requires the filesystem to have originally been created with the -O resize_inode option, which is a pretty big caveat since it requires you to have anticipated the need to resize the filesystem when you originally created it. Note that a lot of filesystems (for example, XFS) can be grown online, but can never be shrunk, so ext3's capabilities don't look that bad by comparison. It's still nowhere near what you can do with ZFS, though. Even when you couple ext3 with LVM it's still a painful multi-step process to resize a volume, and there's a real chance of data loss if you get your math wrong. -- David Brodbeck System Administrator, Linguistics University of Washington ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Opensolaris roadmap
Greetings, I've been reading a lot of the threads on here about the future of opensolaris, and it seems that there *might* be a future, depending on whose post you read. While I truly hope for that, I would like a definitive answer, or at least one I could work off of in the future. Right now, my organization would like to implement a long-term data storage solution (particularly with the advantages of ZFS (dedup, snapshotting, ease of management, etc). Given the current circumstances with Oracle, and the lack of mostly 'official' information, we've begun to reach the point where we might decide to implement this service as a linux based solution, and leverage a linux filesystem, especially since the hardware is coming very soon, and we need to get working on it. Now, the idea right now might be to leverage a linux solution in the short term until everything is 'worked out' with opensolaris/solaris, with the possibility of moving to a better platform long-term. So here's my question: What should be expected out of opensolaris (or even solaris) in the future? I realize the possibility of forking the project has been discussed, but also there has been information that internal builds are being worked on, etc. Would it be advantageous to *wait* for an official answer from Oracle, as well as watch to see what happens with opensolaris? The issue is enterprise backing, because if we're going to spend money on hardware, we'd like to have enterprise support/etc. Given that ZFS dedup and other performance (and bug) fixes won't be out until Solaris 11/Next/whateverthehellORaclewantstocallit, would it be a smart bet to stick around and wait? PS: sorry about starting another thread about this, but some of the threads with similar questions have turned into semantics, flame wars, FUD, etc, and all I'd like to see is a least the opinion of a few individuals with some actual insight on the matter... Thanks, I appreciate it; stay thristy... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris roadmap
Steve, Oracle's account managers handle this sort of thing. The other solution is talk to someone like Nexenta. Now ensure you understand is that somone like Oracle may look at 'best tool for the job' so what is 'under the hood' may or may not be what you expect. ~ Ken Mays --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Steve spc1...@rit.edu wrote: From: Steve spc1...@rit.edu Subject: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris roadmap To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 11:25 PM Greetings, I've been reading a lot of the threads on here about the future of opensolaris, and it seems that there *might* be a future, depending on whose post you read. While I truly hope for that, I would like a definitive answer, or at least one I could work off of in the future. Right now, my organization would like to implement a long-term data storage solution (particularly with the advantages of ZFS (dedup, snapshotting, ease of management, etc). Given the current circumstances with Oracle, and the lack of mostly 'official' information, we've begun to reach the point where we might decide to implement this service as a linux based solution, and leverage a linux filesystem, especially since the hardware is coming very soon, and we need to get working on it. Now, the idea right now might be to leverage a linux solution in the short term until everything is 'worked out' with opensolaris/solaris, with the possibility of moving to a better platform long-term. So here's my question: What should be expected out of opensolaris (or even solaris) in the future? I realize the possibility of forking the project has been discussed, but also there has been information that internal builds are being worked on, etc. Would it be advantageous to *wait* for an official answer from Oracle, as well as watch to see what happens with opensolaris? The issue is enterprise backing, because if we're going to spend money on hardware, we'd like to have enterprise support/etc. Given that ZFS dedup and other performance (and bug) fixes won't be out until Solaris 11/Next/whateverthehellORaclewantstocallit, would it be a smart bet to stick around and wait? PS: sorry about starting another thread about this, but some of the threads with similar questions have turned into semantics, flame wars, FUD, etc, and all I'd like to see is a least the opinion of a few individuals with some actual insight on the matter... Thanks, I appreciate it; stay thristy... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris roadmap
Steve wrote: Greetings, I've been reading a lot of the threads on here about the future of opensolaris, and it seems that there *might* be a future, depending on whose post you read. While I truly hope for that, I would like a definitive answer, or at least one I could work off of in the future. Right now, my organization would like to implement a long-term data storage solution (particularly with the advantages of ZFS (dedup, snapshotting, ease of management, etc). Given the current circumstances with Oracle, and the lack of mostly 'official' information, we've begun to reach the point where we might decide to implement this service as a linux based solution, and leverage a linux filesystem, especially since the hardware is coming very soon, and we need to get working on it. While trying not to sound too much like a salesman (since I'm not and this isn't the right forum for it), it's too bad you already ordered the hardware, since enterprise supported OpenSolaris-based storage servers is one area with a very clear roadmap: the Sun Storage 7000 series storage appliances continue to be enhanced with new features like ZFS dedup while maintaining a stable release and enterprise support, along with administrative and analytics enhancements above and beyond what's in the open/free versions of OpenSolaris. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris roadmap
Hi steve, my two cents on the matter...opensolaris is here to stay as future builds are developed and OS surpasses its current level of maturity. I think it will be foolish for Oracle to terminated the project since a great deal of their OS revenue is coming from Opensolaris and their enterprise support. There should not be any worry that Opensolaris will be phase out, in the contrary, I think Oracle will invest more in getting this product refine further and make their buck in delivering enterprise support. Take care...Lisandro Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Steve spc1...@rit.edu Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:25:52 To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris roadmap Greetings, I've been reading a lot of the threads on here about the future of opensolaris, and it seems that there *might* be a future, depending on whose post you read. While I truly hope for that, I would like a definitive answer, or at least one I could work off of in the future. Right now, my organization would like to implement a long-term data storage solution (particularly with the advantages of ZFS (dedup, snapshotting, ease of management, etc). Given the current circumstances with Oracle, and the lack of mostly 'official' information, we've begun to reach the point where we might decide to implement this service as a linux based solution, and leverage a linux filesystem, especially since the hardware is coming very soon, and we need to get working on it. Now, the idea right now might be to leverage a linux solution in the short term until everything is 'worked out' with opensolaris/solaris, with the possibility of moving to a better platform long-term. So here's my question: What should be expected out of opensolaris (or even solaris) in the future? I realize the possibility of forking the project has been discussed, but also there has been information that internal builds are being worked on, etc. Would it be advantageous to *wait* for an official answer from Oracle, as well as watch to see what happens with opensolaris? The issue is enterprise backing, because if we're going to spend money on hardware, we'd like to have enterprise support/etc. Given that ZFS dedup and other performance (and bug) fixes won't be out until Solaris 11/Next/whateverthehellORaclewantstocallit, would it be a smart bet to stick around and wait? PS: sorry about starting another thread about this, but some of the threads with similar questions have turned into semantics, flame wars, FUD, etc, and all I'd like to see is a least the opinion of a few individuals with some actual insight on the matter... Thanks, I appreciate it; stay thristy... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to set NFS permissions
Hi edward, try checking the permissions and the folder/file ownership. I am almost certain something is wrong along those lines. Take care. Lisandro --Original Message-- From: Edward Martinez Sender: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] How to set NFS permissions Sent: Jun 3, 2010 9:00 AM Thanks, yes I have the Windows NFSClient installed and the share gets mounted correctly. Just unable to access the files on the share - presumably because some permissions need to be set on the server side. Then I think sharectl command needs to be used along with sharemgr i can be wrong. http://blogs.sun.com/lubos/entry/how_to_share_zfs_over http://developers.sun.com/openstorage/articles/opensolaris_storage_server.html http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-1634/gecpc?a=view http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/SSMBAG/smbcmdsdaemonsfiles.html#sharectlcommand -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to set NFS permissions
Hi duncan, since you are having issues with NFS and your windows file sharing setting...looking into samba and smb would be a great option since it supports better integration with the windows environment. Can you tell us what are you using for authentication...LDAP, pam,files or active directory...this will give us a better idea to help you. Take care. Lisandro --Original Message-- From: Duncan Groenewald Sender: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [osol-discuss] How to set NFS permissions Sent: Jun 3, 2010 8:23 AM Hi, I have a ZFS share but am unable to access the share from a Windows PC. The windows PC mounts the share but indicates No Access. I can't find any useful information on how to grant access to an NFS share. Any ideas on how to give a user on a WIndows PC access to the NFS share. They don't have a login on the OpenSolaris NFS server. Any suggestions on whether its perhaps better to share using SMB as this seems to have better facilities for granting users access. Thanks -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] How much opensolaris is sun/oracle, and how much community?
I know there's no realistic quantitative measurement. But even gut feel of some people who are regularly active in the code would be interesting knowledge. Roughly what percentage of solaris/opensolaris codebase is developed by sun/oracle employees, and what percentage is contributed by the community? No good reason to know. It's just a curiosity. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
