Re: [ozmidwifery] Recurring Severe Blocked Duct - Help for Me
Dear List, Thank you for all your help and referrals etc. As usual, you've all been very helpful and generous with your wisdom, experience and time. Jo Slamen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Recurring Severe Blocked Duct - Help for Me
Dear List, I have suffered 2x weekly since early March with a blocked duct/s in the right breast - exactly the same segment each time. The first time this month I was interstate in Tas, and it wasn't resolving after 36 hrs (I had no fever) so saw a GP who didn't ask any symptoms, prescribed amoxyll and on enquiring baby's age (11 mos) told me to wean as now there was no benefit to bf-ing. (What a guy!) Also had ultrasound and swallowed cider vinegar and resolved within the next 24 hours. This has since been happening disturbingly regularly and resolving in around 24 hours or just over each time. Getting to be a real pain - literally and figuratively - spending lots of time in pain, and massaging, baby to breast, expressing, heat packs, cold packs - really takes the time out of the day when it happens. I am committed to bf-ing for at least 24 months (bf-ed no. 1 son for 22) and wondered if I need medical help or if I need LC help from someone who will appreciate/support my desire to continue bf-ing rather than encouraging to wean - I would be somewhat distraught if weaning were to occur just yet (baby will be 1 on Monday). I live in Melbourne (Elsternwick) and wondered if there was someone who could be recommended as sympathetic to my adherence to the WHO recommendations! This doesn't seem to be mastitis (which I have had with first baby) - I don't feel generally unwell or have a fever - I guess would progress to same if not corrected?? Sorry to bag on... Jo Slamen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] failure to sleep through the night!!!
I still enjoy feeding my 11.5 month-old overnight - is it 2 or 3 or 4 times a night?- never sure - we're cuddled up together in bed and it's so drowsy that Idon't remember specifically. Not ready to lose that closeness from him just yet... And yes, he's a nice weight and a really cuddly baby - everyone comments onhis cuddliness- just like many say - "Oooh he shouldn't be in bed with you!" I'm quite suspicious, however, that one has to do with the other. Jo - Original Message - From: Jackie Kitschke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] "failure to sleep through the night"!!! I was just flicking through the latest ANF Journal before chucking it out when the title "Frequent feeding clue to disrupted infant sleep"!! It was published in the "Archives of Disease in Childhood" by M. Nikoloulou and I. St. James-Roberts. These researchers identified "at risk" infants during their first week of life which put them at risk of failing to sleep through the night at 12 weeks of age!! Talk about turn normal physiology into an abnormality. They say that babies that feed more than 11 times per day at 1 week were 2.7 times more likely not to sleep through. Duh, aren't they supposed to be feeding frequently. There is no mention of the failure to thrive rate between the "control" group and the"behaviour programgroup". This program included maximising the difference between day and night, avoinding feeding and cuddling at night and from the age of three weeks gradually delaying feeds when the baby awoke at night!! When will sense prevail. Those poor women out there, they must be so confused with nurses now taking that line. Just annoyed Jackie
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B Vaccine at Birth
From a "consumer's" point of view - this vaccine has me stumped! It was introduced "between" my two babies' births and since I couldn't see the point of it, and could only see disadvantages in it, I refused it. No drams at all in hospital, butI have had comment from a GP since, but was water off a duck's back as far as I'm concerned. It utterly beats me as to why it was introduced at such an early age. I guess if there are identifiable risk factors then perhaps there's a point, but those factors would surely, even in this day and age, be present in the vast minority of newborns' lives. From what I can gather this disease is as "hard" to get as AIDS. And it's probably a fair bet that when that vaccine is perfected it will be stuck straight into everyone as soon as they see daylight too. How ridiculous! My brother and SIL has had their 1st bub last November, and have also had comment from the local council vaccination mob about their daughter "missing" the newborn Hep B jab. I don't think they want to let anyone that "gets away" go unscathed... Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!?
Thumbs allegedly don't affect teeth unless still in use at the age of permanent teeth coming through. My teeth are straight (no orthodontic work) and I was a thumb sucker - so much so that I had a callous on my thumb as a young child - stopped when I started primary school. My almost 4yo also a thumb child - his baby teeth are pretty ok looking and I find his thumb use is still useful for going to bed and getting him to sleep. Would also imagine trying to swap baby to a dummy probably won't work. I would relax about the thumb - does not indicate any emotional problems and it's likely to be in use for comfort rather than teething too, I believe. And just to add some personal bias I think thumbs look better than dummies too! Jo Slamen - Original Message - From: J Stewart To: ozmid Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!? Dear List(s)! Just looking for a little bit of general advice on an old debate! I have a six month old baby cousin [very cute!] she has taken to sucking her thumb as she is starting toget some toothy pegs!and her mum is not in favour of giving her a dummy. I was wondering what opinions are on this? I would think that sucking thumbs could effect tooth development and the direction/position in which they grow, as well as forming a hard to kick habbit in todlers, but have also heard interesting points against dummies. Any thoughts!? Thanks in advance! Jessica.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thumb not dummy
Would like to add my thumb-sucking almost 4yo son was breastfed until 22 months, when he began sucking his thumb at 5 months he was fully breastfed, round the clock and no solids - weight on the 97th percentile. Definitely getting plenty of the good stuff. It seems a lot of material is written from so-called "professional's" personal experiences as well as what they have learnt/studied/observed - and it's all too easy to assume that a baby or child using a dummy/thumb/blankie etc., is somehow inferior or less secure thana child who does not. I don't see how mother's practices contribute to this state of affairs in the vast mojority of cases. I think the thing is that all kids/babies are different - my 2nd son sucked his thumb from day one until he was 5 months old - then stopped - he's now just under 11 months old and doesn't suck anything regularly (except breast of course). I also read on a website that the thumb sucking was usually associated with "Breast" anxiety ( due to being weaned too early). Whether or not this is true I don't know.
Re: [ozmidwifery] baby wanted
Further to Sally's very pertinentcomments I would like to recommend the website www.fertility.com.au Can help find natural therapists to treat etc., and their books are to be thoroughly recommended also. Our 2nd pregnancy took 6 months toget on the go- (first one 2 months), and we conceived after hubby and I BOTH treated. Also continued to consult with a natural therapist throughout pregnancy - a great experience. Don't always assume the fault is with the woman - men's sperm counts are declining overall at a quite alarming rate due to pollutants/chemicals in farming and some workplaces/homes. I think allcouples should be counselled to have a good "clean-out" before conception. Jo Slamen - Original Message - From: Joyce, Sally To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] baby wanted Julie, This is from a personal point of view. I am 25 and we have been trying for a baby for over 10 months now. I have not ovulated or had a period since coming the pill 11 months ago. The entire experience has been devastating and I started to doubt my body's ability to operate normally and whether my husband and I were ever suppose to have children together. After about 6 months, I eventually took myself to a doctor who sent me off to a leading fertility specialist on the Sunny Coast, QLD. While I am sure this man is capable of helping a lot of women, the 4 month experience was very invasive, impersonal andleft me feeling degraded and vulnerable. I was informed that there was nothing thedoctors could doandthe only option I had was to try drugs and the IVF program - something I was not comfortable with. Even if I did go though this process I was only given avery small chance of ever falling pg. In a desperate effort to find an alternative, I started doing some research on the internet and discovered a host of fertility support groups and information. I pulled myself together, with the support of one of these groups and took myself off to a naturopath who specialises in fertility management and women's health. It was here I discovered that I actually had severe Candida (along with a few other surprises)which was affecting all my internal organs includinghormone production. I am also very low in estrogen and was diagnosed by the specialist as having PCOS (I amalsoslim with non of the normal "symptoms"). I have just finished a one month initialprogram with the naturopath. I had a check up on Friday and things are looking much much better. I am happy to announce that in this brief period I have ovulated for the first time since coming off the pill (something the specialist told me was impossible without the assistance of drugs), overcome the Candida infection and my hormones are coming back into balance. After my visits with the fertility specialist I seriously believed that I would never fall pg and had actually given up all hope of having children. However through the support of a fertility support group (many who have had multiple miscarriages and gone on to have many children) and the naturopath, I am feeling confident once again. I would strongly suggest she tries to get in contact with a fertility support group and attempts to find a sympathic health provider. If she needs some assistance or wants to chat to someone in a similar position, I would be quite happy to help. Sally email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Julie Garratt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 23 February 2003 10:46 PMTo: OzmidSubject: [ozmidwifery] baby wanted Hi all, I need some wisdom for a young women who was tears telling me how desperately she wants to get pregnant, she has been trying for about 5 months. She is 21, had an abortion at 16 and three recent miscarriages. She also has huge guilt that her past may have permanently damaged her body. Her doctor told her that sheis "low inestrogen" and that is whyhe put her on a contraceptive pillthathad ahigh estrogen level in the past? He also said that she has to have several more miscarriages before they will do any tests (cruel unthinking bastard!) She is very slight in stature (maybe wears size 6 jeans) but otherwise healthy and has a good diet. If you clever people can help with some advise so she can do something proactive I think it will be a great comfort to her. All tips, tricks and recommendations welcome:) Thankyou, Julie'',DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legall
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions
My first baby was having nappy changed in hospital - approx. 3 days old, lying on back and choked on vomit. It wasn't until I was running around to the nurses station holding him face down along my arm that the vomit started coming out of nose and mouth and he was able to begin breathing again. After a traumatic birth and +10% weight loss - this really did my confidence in utterly. As a result was afraid to sleep him on his back for fear of choking on vomit, and even #2 baby has side slept pretty much all the time. This event also primed me for co-sleeping as I was afraid to leave him where I couldn't see him - the whole choking thing was silent. Jo - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions I find this perpetual arguement from mothers ( fathers) within the hospital system that if the midwives opinions and practices differ from each other - the parents get terribly confused - and sleeping positions is one of them! The parents read and are told that back sleeping is the only way to go. Then the midwives (myself included) place infants on their side, even after the parents have put them in the cot on their back. And the parents question - as they should. I'm talking purely night-duty here, having seen at least 3 babies post LUSCS (in my short years) obstruct badly, it was very fortunate to say the least that both of the midwives were literally outside the door doing the 'rounds' at those wee hours of the night. Mum was post-surg and in an exhausted sleep, didn't even realize that we had picked the baby up and after immediate airway clearance still needed to literally run down the ward with this baby navy blue in the arms to a resus cot suction etc. All of these babies were rugged up and on their back. So from bad experience, I ALWAYS put them on their side. My own three children lie wherever the wind blows - in our bed, in the cot, back, side and even rarely tummy. Their favourite spot is co-sleeping in either my husbands or my arms though - and who could blame them!! Cheryl p.s. What do other hospitals policies and practice with post-LUSCS babies in that first 12-24 hours. In bed with Mum, in cot beside Mum, in nursery, with midwife ?? From: Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:57:40 +1100 Have witnessed this when visiting with the Maternal Child Health Service, happened thank goodness right before our eyes. The young Dad responded quickly and cleared the baby's airway. I can talk at length about the problems associated with baby's sleeping on their backs. Will put some of my experiences on my website When? I can find the time. Robyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aviva Sheb'a Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 6:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions cat among pigeons here -- suppose baby threw up while lying on back and choked? aviva, ducking - Original Message - From: janet To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions I agree that many women are afraid about placing their babies on their tummies - I think there is so much literature around about the SIDS recommended position to put babies to sleep on their back that they have to be reminded to allow tummy time during wake times. Also I heard that some children are ultimately suffering from misshapen heads, one woman was telling me that her son had to have a special helmet made to correct the shape of his head. Consequently when she had her second child she ignored the SIDS recommendations and placed her baby from side to side to sleep. Janet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marilyn Kleidon Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] no subject I have noticed that mums are even afraid to put their babies on their tummies to tie up their nightie. I assure them it is ok and even beneficial for babies to spend time on their tummies, just that you need to be observing them. Of course I slept all of my girls on their tummies, but I was picky about having clear breathing space, I also used a NZ lambskin for all 3, but pulled a sheet tight across the area under their face. So, I am not surprised that babies may not spending enough time on their tummies to use their neck muscles, though I think it is a good idea that they sleep on their babcks, and am increasingly surprised at how easy it is to do
Re: [ozmidwifery] Update on Reuben
Wonderful news Reuben is doing so well, and an amazing account of yours and Tas's intuition! Fantastic for your daughter. Jo - Original Message - From: Joy Cocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Update on Reuben Many of you will remember my daughter's surviving twin, Reuben. He is doing EXCEPTIONALLY well, better than any of us could have possibly hoped for. He's 8/12 old today and had a routine paed checkup 10 days ago. He's chubby, never been sick - not even a cold, bright, active and starting to catch up developmentally. There is no sign of any residual problems from his prematurity - just some little scars from all of his i/v's, which he'll be able to show off proudly if they're still visible later on in life. He's fully breastfed, of course, and paed couldn't believe how well he's doing, doesn't want to see him till he's 18/12 and then B4 he goes to kinder. Even his umbilical hernia, which was measured at 5 cm has completely disappeared. He had 2 x inguinal hernias repaired (at the same time) just after he came out of hospital. He's cuddly and quite an easy baby. We are so, so grateful. Now for the goosebumpy stuff: a few months ago, when I was visiting Tilly at the cemetery I had the strongest feeling that she had died to save Reuben, so that he would have the strength of 2 babies. I related this to Sally, she went quiet and asked if she had told me what Tas (her 4 y/o) had said a few days B4 - she hadn't. He was in the bath and said, mummy, can we talk about Tilly?, yes, of course, she died because of Reuben, no, she didn't die because of Reuben, she died because she was very sick, yes, I know that, but she died because of Reuben! Sally said, I wonder if that's what Tas meant. I'm sure it was, and recently when we were talking about it, Sally said that it really helped her to know this. Joy PS Tas was born in the caul which, as we all know, makes him extra special (according to folklore anyway). In any case, he does seem to be very intuitive, a quality to be nurtured. Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Thrush in Babe's Mouth?
Seeking your help again... Have just farewelled my little 9-week-old niece and her parents after their stay overnight here. I have never seen it before, but I suspect strongly that the little one has thrush. She has a terribly sore and red/inflamed bottom and during an upset phase I took her to the window to try and distract/calm her and whilst she was crying I noticed she almost appeared almost to be getting a tooth or two on her gums - although not quite in the right place - I then noticed three or four other small white marks and dots on the roof of her mouth and inside her cheeks - didn't see her tongue very well so not sure if any spots there. I have never seen oral thrush before but have presumed this is it?? There hasn't been any antibiotics for her or her mother and her mother doesn't have any symptoms of thrush (and she does know them as has had vaginal thrush before) although she mentioned a sore-ish throat on and off of late. I proclaimed to her parents I suspected thrush in the little one and we immediately dosed mother with probiotic powder and sent father out to get acidophilus to take home with them. Does anyone know of any wonderful natural (or other, if it comes to it) treatment for babe and mother, as we really don't want mother ending up with thrush of the nipples and associated ongoing complications. They're hoping to see a GP tomorrow to confirm - I know they will want to minimise their use of pharmaceuticals as much as they can - but they do need to treat this - so seeking your help. Thank you. Jo Slamen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] vasospasm
Cheryl, I had what I consider to be vasospasm bf-ing no. 1 baby - born in May (we live in Melbourne). Also had problems with attachment etc., but went on to bf for ages - as the weather warmed and baby grew things seemed to improve and whiteness etc. disappeared. I'd get these amazingly cold-feeling numb-type/steely sensation in my nipples and was amazed to see them white on examination during this phenomenon. Despite lengthy bf-ing period, this child continued to damage my nipples on occasion even into toddlerhood, so could poor positioning be solely to blame for VS symptoms early on? (Also had mastitis 2x with him - nipple damage - infective) However, no. 2 babe - born last day of March (so a just pre-winter babe) - has been pure joy to feed after an initial week or so of grazing. No VS symptoms at all last winter - have noticed occasional white-ishness of nipples, but no horrid sensations. Preconception and pregnancy diet far superior this 2nd time - lots of omega 3 fatty acids etc. may have contributed to improved circulation?? Guess we'll not know for sure. However, don't assume things will happen the same way as the last time and heed advice - dietary etc. that the other ladies have given. Wishing you well. Jo Slamen (Mum) - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 9:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vasospasm Hi, sorry if this rather disjointed First baby, fed 12 months, no probs apart from thrush in early weeks Second bub - fed 4.5 months, had horrendous nipple vasospasm. was a winter baby. Went to BF clinic, were happy with attachment, although tended to 'slip off' and make things worse. Was sad to finish, but incredibly relieved at the relief of pain once stopped feeding. Fed with pain for about 2.5 months of that 4.5 months. Mastitis x 3 in that period. Third bub - currently 4 weeks. Feeds better from one side, although managing both OK. Need to be careful with attachment though. I feel like I am getting twinges of the same sort of vasospasm pain, although nipples are discoloured at times, no damage, cracks etc. Have been obsessive about emptying breasts etc so no reoccurance of mastitis. Is vasospasm likely to get worse when we get out of the summer months do to colder climatic conditions? Have looked in the textbooks etc, but have people got any other ideas for what to do - natural meds etc. Sorry for disjoint-ed-ness! Have hubby rocking the baby, and the other two - well, you know what toddlers get up too! Cheryl _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Caesar Question
Thanks Rhonda and Lisa - very informative and helpful! Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Caesar Question
Just one out of interest, and I realise it's not the specialty of this forum, however thought that someone may know. Since a C-sec has recently occurred to someone close to me, I'm curious... Is the uterus still contracting during surgery, or is some form of drug administered to stop it? If it is still contracting, do they pick baby out between contractions, or it doesn't make any difference, and they get baby despite contractions occurring? Jo Slamen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:
I would absolutely like to know where this is - as a Melbourne consumer of maternity services, just in case I'm ever in that situation - and to be able to help any mates who are threatened with the cut for breech (and have had 2 such mates so far). Jo Slamen - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Jan, was it at the hospital I heard suggested to you last wednesday, I'll leave it to you to sing their praises but I think it would be good to let others know where they will be welcomed to birth a breech vaginally Andrea Quanchi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Tongue Tie
Thanks Helen, Cate does have grazed nipples, but no worse than I would have had with my 1st - so it's hard to know if the tongue tie is to blame. However, Audrey has also grazed the aereola, and on Day Two latched on to her mother's neck, giving her a quite impressive bruise! The kid obviously sucks like mad - tongue tie or not. So many women have things improve at around 6 weeks in terms of breastfeeding comfort - I'm sure your immediate and drastic improvement was caused by having bub's tongue snipped (OW!!). As your message implies, it's so hard to determine the precise cause of nipple pain in the early days - and sometimes hard to determine the precise cause of nipple pain improvement - as the weeks go by. I know with my two I have never had aereola damage like Cate has/had - just the ends of the nipples - however, I have no idea whether this can be put down to tongue tie or not. I guess we will see how Cate goes in the coming weeks. Jo - Original Message - From: HELEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Tongue Tie Jo, my 2nd baby born 6 yrs ago in a public hospital in Victoria, had a tongue tie. Breastfeeding was not comfortable right from the beginning, sore nipples. Were the sore nipples caused by thrush from antibotics (just in case.. following a caesarean birth) or from the tongue tie. The paediatrician at the time said we don't do anything at the moment, but later on if she is not talking like we would expect something should be done then ( under a general anaesthetic!) No discussion re breastfeeding etc. At 5/52 he still said no cutting and you will just have to put up with the breastfeeding or wean! My baby was actually putting on weight well. Anyway 6 weeks down the track breastfeeding was agony at each feed, and with information from a Lactation Consultant support from ABA I finally went to see a GP (also a LC) who said Oh it is a 'moderate' tongue tie probably should be snipped in view of all the trouble I was having breastfeeding. She snipped it with scissors then there and for the first time in 6/52 I feed without pain. I realise that the severity of tongue ties differs that some require treatment some don't, however if the baby is gaining weight breastfeeding is OK, why do anything now? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Questions
Dear Lois and Debby, Many thanks for your replies. Both my babes have also been posterior. No. 1 turned with Keillands forceps (I was diagnosed in labour with PE and doc didn't want me to push). I had an epidural for this labour - doc insisted to help bring my BP down. Like Debby (and SIL) I also had no back labour (was un-epidural-ed until 6cm). No. 2 babe was also posterior - again, no back labour, but he turned and was born facing the usual way. I think 2nd babes are sometimes better at cooperating maybe?? I was induced as the medicos feared I was going to PE again, as my blood pressure was a little elevated. I was kicked out of the Birth Centre, but other than amniotomy and synto throughout (because they were busy in labour ward!!) I laboured without interference to a vaginal delivery (I was unbelievably thrilled to do this one without forceps and feel the whole labour and birth process - WHAT a boost to my self image and feeling of womanliness). However, in my SIL's recent labour I gathered at the time that the babe's head being back and to the side was a bigger problem than her being posterior? Would that be right? The babe's head had been so low it was unpalpable for over a week prior to induction. OB kept saying she'd have it any minute (of course that didn't happen). Yes, this was Cate's first baby. We have always joked, as Cate is tall (about 5' 9) and slim, but she really does have a very wide-looking pelvis - big hips - that this bub was just going to fall out. Especially as she was so low for so long before the induction. Could baby's head position have contributed to labour not beginning spontaneously? She was born with some major bumps in odd places - the front right quarter of her head was really quite bumpy and drawn-out looking. This was probably exacerbated as they tried to move her with vacuum, but could it also be caused by contractions squeezing into the pelvis canal with her head not facing the best way? How unpredictable childbirth can sometimes be. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Questions
Dear Maureen, Thank you for your comments and support. It is very interesting to read this, as my 1st (as I have just mentioned in previous message) was Keillands - in 1999. When Cate's doc said You can have Keillands, but we don't do those anymore, I wondered if what was really meant was that he didn't like doing them. (I also felt briefly like I was forced to endure some outdated and extremely dangerous procedure - mind you it wasn't very nice, and in reality has its dangers which all of these interventions do!) I guess you can only do what you can do on the day with whomever is there. And from the doc's answer last Wednesday, Keillands WAS an option, but you could see he didn't want to do it, and much preferred to C-sec. I guess weighing up the pretty much inevitable episiotomy, and forceps marking on the baby and unsubstantiated risks of forceps birth to baby, vs the risks of surgery to the mother, there's a lot to consider either way. With my #1 I lost a litre of blood (and narrowly escaped being transfused) from my badly torn episiotomy (not PPH) so it was no walk in the park for me or bubs. Jo - Original Message - From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Questions I realise this is a bit late in coming, but for my two cents worth...here goes. My last baby, now 5, was also posterior. Two hours of second stage, jumping around, squatting, on and off the loo etc.etc.etc. Anyway, finally requested a kelliands rotation which did the trick. She was a very easy forceps delivery once in the right position, and I feel I could have pushed her out. During my mid training it was common to see a kelliands rotation and then a normal birth. often it is simply that the head is deflexed and once the bub is turned flexion occurs and down comes baby. Drs are very reluctant to do anything other than a vacuum or Caesar. Forceps can cause damage to both mother and baby if not applied correctly. I knew I had a good doctor. Remember too that not everything in this life goes the way we think it should. I would rather have seen c/s than some of the mangled vaginal births. You did a great job. Maureen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Birth Questions
Dear List, I am a lay member of the list. Last Wednesday I supported my SIL and brother (SIL also happens to be my best pal) in labour with their first baby. I guess I'm hoping to de-brief a bit here. Cate had a good preconception preparation, a healthy pregnancy and wonderful preparation for birth attending Lina Clarke's Active Birth workshop in about September-ish. Cate was induced by amniotomy last Wed. morning due to postdates, and laboured under her own steam beautifully, and without pharmacological interference, to feeling pushy at around 4pm. Baby was posterior - there was no back labour. Pushing was yielding no appearance - or advancement after around an hour, and upon examination baby described as in deep transverse arrest. We then had Cate labouring in a variety of different positions, pelvic rocking, moving legs etc. to maximise space in pelvis, but to not enough avail. Doc tried moving with a vacuum and after around 4-5 contractions (now around 6.15pm) offered that her options were Keillands forceps (although he mentioned they don't do those anymore) or a caesar. Beautiful baby Audrey (9lb 10 oz - Apgars 9 10) born by C-sect at 7.42pm. I guess I just wonder if the amniotomy contributed to her positioning? If there was anything else we could have tried at the time? It seemed to be demonstrated quite well to me that given the circumstances of the moment she was not coming out without assistance, but just wondered what some of your thoughts might be. I was annoyed that doc mentioned forceps as an option that apparently wasn't a viable one (or he considered an irresponsible one - he therefore shouldn't have mentioned??) Mum and babe are home today - and despite obviously delays in contact, surgical trauma to mother etc., babe has begun to put on weight. Mother also handling caesar really well (at least for now). Jo Slamen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Recurring Mastitis Help
Hello List, I have a dear friend, Jenny, whose first baby, a 9lb 13oz boy was born in Burnie, Tasmania on October 8. In his short life thus far, mother has had mastitis 2x, and is currently with bout #3. She is dedicated to breastfeeding but this is knocking her around and it has hubby wishing she would give breastfeeding away. I recommended trying to find a homoeopath to avoid yet more a/biotics in case of another go, but don't know of any in NW Tassie (she lives near Ulverstone). I wondered if anyone on the list knows of someone? She is seeing an LC quite a bit which is great, and the LC's strategy is working on moderating Jen's supply. Jen's had pretty badly damaged nipples too, and wondered if the mastitis is infective - I'm not sure if her nipples are damaged still now (I spoke to her other half tonight and didn't ask him). Bub is gaining weight well, 250-300gs/week - not massive (though more than adequate) - so I wondered whether blaming oversupply was justified. I would love to see Jen go on to breastfeed for a lot longer than 5 weeks, for her and baby's sake, and wondered if any of you can recommend someone fabulous on the NW coast of Tas. Jo Slamen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Living and dying
Title: Living and dying Sue, As a mother ofanother March 2002 baby, I have wept for the mother that she won't see her child grow and for the baby that she won't hear from her mother how treasured she was, and counted my blessings me and mine are all together - for now. This event will live with you always, and I hope you can find some peace in the decision of the men in the mother's life - very difficult given your personal experience. Best wishes during your grief, Jo - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 7:40 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Living and dying Hi all,Want to share with you the extent of the 'trial' of being a homebirth attendant.Last week, one of the mothers whose births I attended in March was hit by a car and life support turned off at 5 days.I want to try to share with you the absolute grief I felt at such a callous and medical attitude to a mother's life.The decision to turn her off was made by her partner (of 12 months), and her two brothers.There are no parents, and there were no others who were mothers who were there to make the decision.She was my friend as well as one of my birthing mums. She was 41 and gave birth to her first (and only) baby in water at home on a lovely March morning. She was an animal activist, a birth activist, a strong, passionate woman who became my friend. We were building a 'wicked birth' website together.I read this and realise that you probably won't 'get' the gist of my pain and grief from my lack of ability to explain it. I helped this woman prepare for her birth, give birth, and then I helped through her tough post-partum period. Her baby is now 6 months old and is permanently without her mother. The medical told her family she was brain dead, had no future, the machines read nothing, it was irrefutable. I had gone through a similar scenario with my brother some years ago - only my mother in her mother's strength said 'no' to giving up on my brother. He woke up 3 months after his accident and his first words were ' get me out of here'. He now lives on his own and is as good as most of our population.I only wanted the same for the little baby girl. As much as we give to all the couples we help through birth, we can also give through death. I remember reading the article "midwives for the dying" some years ago, and now understand what it means.I fail to understand how clinical and disconnected and unbelieving in miracles this world can be ... I am proud to stand outside that box.Sue Cookson
Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta
Ditto - except our kitty birthed in the lounge room and ate all 5 placentas for all kittens (after each birth she ate the placenta - she had 30 mins+ b/w each kitten). I'd heard the predator theory too, and also understand placenta very high in zinc - a mineral which helps both mother and babe remain calm, and excellent for the skin - helps prevent grazed nipples. Doubtless consuming placentas has many benefits. Having said that - I go for the zinc supplements instead... Jo I watched our cat give birth to five kittens under the house years ago. She ate three placentas with gusto, managed to stomach the fourth and took a nibble at the fifth before turning away with a grimace as if to say 'I just can't' . Margie -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis Antibiotics
Dear Joy and Mary, Thanks for your help and advice regarding homoepathy and acidophilus and bifidus. Crisis averted - all remains happy and no antibiotics - yay. Your info will remain my primary treatment line of attack in future - since I'm a little prone to this kind of thing. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats
It's very quiet out there... hope everyone is well?? Alec weighed in at 19lb 10oz, or 8.9kg at his 6 days earlier than 6mo weigh-in on Wednesday. He is heavier than Nick and 1cm longer, but with a littler head! Clinic sister astounded to learn it was all breast and no solids. She referred us to an optometrist for his head tilt (he holds his head tilted to the left periodically - I had already taken him to the doctor to have torticollis ruled out), and optometrist says tilt is not to do with his eyes as they align well in all directions. Tilt may be purely behavioural - we shall see... Thinking about introducing solids, and bought a jar of babyfood in the supermarket today... was almost in tears (me, this is). What is wrong with me?? I'm so enjoying feeding him, and I know we have a long way to go still, but maybe I feel it's the earliest beginnings of weaning (or maybe I can't be bothered feeding him real food!!) Must make Fred make the scanner work and send a pic. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats
Hello Pinky and List, Pinky, thanks for your lovely message and the comment re osteopath. I do apologise though, as you all must think I'm such a gusher, I didn't mean to send this to Ozmid! I meant to send it to another list of breastfeeding, co-sleeping Mums that was started when we all got together from another baby website when all our 1st children were born in May '99. One press of the wrong button and I feel a twit! Red-faced Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view.
Scary - nowhere near enough tongue in that cheek for me... - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list ; Tracy Reibel Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view. I think I've lost my sense of humour. This raised my hackles. MM PREGO: A READING BY SEAN KELLY (Life Matters: 12/9/2002)Life Matters' Man About The House gives his response to the mysterious,terrifying, wonderful world of childbirth.http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s668218.htm
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Irene, I realise this is a totally isolated incident, but just for comparison... Baby #1 - born May 99 at St. Vincents Private in Melb.was born at 3830g, got down to 3350. His delivery was instrumental (due to PE diagnosed in labour) and I lost a litre of blood from episiotomy which tore - according to OB (there was no PPH)- and was not transfused due to good pathology results. Midwives wanted to supplement with formula - I wouldn't allow it and he after day 3 he began gaining at 400g+ per week. Baby #2 - born March 02 at Mercy Hospital Melb. was born at 3950g and weighed on day 2 (at home) at 4000g. Birth was induced by ARM due to fear of onset of PE and labour stimulated with synto because they were busy! But delivery was normal - no analgesics, no instruments. I put the loss of 10% of #1 baby down to blood loss and traumatic delivery. Maybe I'm kidding myself?? I guess also with #2 breasts were primed and ready to go - "knew" what to do, so to speak? Jo - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss Is this in a hospital? Check the mothers diets! What is on the menu for them? I am sure that most hospital diets are not "breastfeeding friendly". Just my thoughts Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:49:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss I am finding an alarming amount of babies losing morethan 10% of their birth weight on day 3. Is anyoneelse out there experiencing this and are there anystudies on this subject. This is particularly babiesof caucasian mothers. Can anyone shed light on thisfor me?Irene MunroAlice Springs__Do You Yahoo!?Everything you'll ever need on one web pagefrom News and Sport to Email and Music Chartshttp://uk.my.yahoo.com--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] Menstruation
Mmm, was talking to a friend last week whose youngest is 3 weeks older than my youngest, and she's on the 25th percentile for weight (5 mos of age) and so the recommendation has been to bottlefeed (breastfed up to this point). I totally don't understand this - someone has to be on those percentiles after all! She's still bigger than an average 25 babies out of 100 for her age - it's not like she's a minute thing! It really irks me that a 5-month-old's weight at tthis age can be a reason to say that breastfeeding is not a success - it's rubbish. She is gaining weight, fairly slowly, but gaining and shehas been rolling over since she was early 3-months old, and is developing otherwise perfectly - she also has a hole in her heart, so I can think of no reason why she should be put on the bottle to make more work for her mother who will have to sterilise etc. and has 2 under 2. The child may have to have surgery as a result of her heart, and I'm certain would be far better served nutritionally and emotionally if she were breastfed. My comments about my son's drift "down" the percentiles is not any real concern over breastfeeding - heck, he never got much under the 50th percentile while he was breastfed, (he is now - but is one of those shocking eaters!)and that's with 2 parents who are lighter than average adults. There's my rant for now...sorry. Jo - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Menstruation reminds me of when Rosie was measured at 12 months. "Oooh, she's in the lower tenth percentile", came the accusing remark. "Yes", I replied, straight-faced, "it runs in the family". "What does?" (she was so caring). "SHORTNESS!" I replied. Aviva
[ozmidwifery] Menstruation
A late footnote to this conversation... I am exclusively b/fing bub #2 - no solids, demand fed, no pacifier, latches on at least 3 times per night, co-sleeping, and menstruation returned last week at 4mos, 29 days. Same feeding/sleeping scenario with #1 and menstruation occurred when he was 5 months old. I was hoping we'd go a little longer 2nd time around! Both boys on the 90th percentile for weight also, so have been pumping out the milk up to this age. Does anyone know how the return of menstruation affects milk supply - I have heard/read conflicting reports. My eldest's weight started coming down the percentiles after menstruation returned - and he continued to feed o/night beyond 10 months. wondered if he was needing solids, or if due to milk supply diminished with return of other hormonal influences. Wondering what might happen this time. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Melbourne Based Advice Question on Breech Baby
Hi All, Yet another question from me for a friend who is imminently expecting. She is 37 wks (maybe a touch under) with a breech baby and unsuccessful ECV. Apparently baby is breech with legs extended (feet beside ears), and 3 attempts to turn were unsuccessful (this was attempted yesterday). This baby is her second - and baby #1 was delivered vaginally with no complications - 8lb+ She is being told caesar is the way to go, though she is desperately disappointed. I mentioned acupuncture to try, and I wondered if there is anyone out there who can help in providing contacts of anyone who is likely to be able to help turn this baby - she is willing to try (almost!) anything. Thanks in advance, Jo (I am now a mother of two! Second baby born March 31, 2002 - a son, Alec, weighing 3950g, measuring 54 cm long, and 36 cm head, discharged under 24 hours after birth - and I got the uncomplicated vaginal delivery I always dreamed of - and now fully appreciate why they call it 'labour!) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Group B Strep Question - For Me This Time
Dear Lieve, More great info - thank you so much for taking the time to write - I will be in touch with my homoeopath on Monday and will be well prepared to discuss all these aspects for diagnosis and treatment. Thank you. Jo Slamen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
ninemonths.com.au
Just received my weekly preggo update from ninemonths (which I signed up for out of interest sake when we discovered all their 'interesting' articles), and which reminded me to mention that they have altered at least one of those articles which we derided them for: Breast or Bottle at http://www.ninemonths.com.au/content_page_1.asp?page_id=70main_menu_id=5l1 _id=3l2_id=4 Their alterations have included removing the list of 'advantages' of bottle-feeding. So that's a start! Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Albury/Wodonga Friend Question
Thank you to everyone for your useful suggestions... I spoke to my friend's mother on Friday night, and the external version was a success! (like watching a lumpy pillow being reorganised - according to the baby's father), so hopefully an uncomplicated vaginal delivery will follow in the next fortnight or so. Thanks again for taking the time to assist. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Albury/Wodonga Friend Question
Dear List, I have another question - friend still pregnant this time! A friend is due to give birth in Wodonga, and she is approximately 36 weeks. Her baby is breech (unless attempts to turn - external version - succeeded yesterday) and she is facing a C-section unless baby turns/is turned, and I wondered if anyone on the list knew of anyone in the area who may be able to assist in turning baby using other therapies/techniques should her baby still be breech after this? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Question for a Relative
Hi, My SIL's niece whom I met at Christmas dinner last year (we talked lots as were both preggo - and opting for Birth Centre deliveries etc.), birthed her first baby - a little girl - last Sunday. My SIL (Sherrill) informed me of this over the phone (we are interstate from one another) and I asked how it all went. She had been to see her the day afterwards and the birth had gone really well, but Sherrill said that bub had to be resuscitated and didn't breathe on her own until 3 mins after the birth. Sherrill was uninclined to ask the baby's parents if there were possible ongoing complications from this (didn't want to make them paranoid), but she remains quite concerned about the baby's health. I asked how she seemed and Sherrill said she was breastfeeding and had apparently passed a hearing test (which I presume was administered due to the delay in her breathing). I thought I'd check with you professionals as to whether that time frame of not breathing after birth was of concern in the medium to longer term. I only intend to ask for Sherrill, not the baby's parents. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: ninemonths
Almost (but not quite) feeling sorry for ninemonths. Thanks for the referral Barb, just sent the following off to them for something to think on: Dear ninemonths, Another article of concern to me appears on your web site. It was my understanding that demand feeding is recommended nowadays to maintain milk supply and allow for individual differences in mother's and babies. It is concerning that some of the material on breastfeeding on your site seems to be a little outdated, paying just a little lipservice to the flip side of the coin. I have known of a number of mothers whose milk supply has literally drained away as they tried to 'teach' their infants to feed when mother wants to rather than when baby dictates. This has caused considerable distress to the parents in many instances, as they wished to continue with breastfeeding. I am surprised to find an Australian site seeming to be as out of touch with our current understanding of the basic mechanics of breastfeeding physiology. Please have a look at this link from a US web site, which also deals with scheduling breastfeeds. You will find an interesting counterpoint to your own material http://www.parentsplace.com/features/primer/qas/0,10338,258693_106101,00.htm l Regards, Jo Slamen - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:58 AM Subject: ninemonths Hi, Another page from ninemonths to raise your blood pressure Only feed your baby 3-4 hourly (newborn) otherwise it gets into the habit of snacking and cat napping. Most midwives suggest that you avoid the snacking and catnapping. This will only make more work for yourself. Try to extend the time between feeds to at least three hours calculated from the time of the first feed to the time of the subsequent feed. Adjusting to this schedule may take two or three days. You may wish to record the times on paper until you reach your goal of six to eight feeds. If you keep your baby's feeds regular in the daytime, it is likely that you will need to feed only once before 5am. By about eight weeks, a night time feed can be as quick as 12 -15 minutes from the time you get out of bed to when you return. Many babies sleep from 6pm to 2am. Waking a baby at 10pm seems to make no difference. When a baby starts solids at four months, it is likely the 2am feed will not be necessary. http://www.ninemonths.com.au/content_page_1.asp?page_id=72main_menu_id=5l1 _id=3l2_id=6 Barb -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: Contact us From Ninemonths
Judy and Listers, I also 'complained' to ninemonths regarding the article in question (thanks for the referral Pinky), and received a reply almost word for word the same as Judy's. I have just now replied back to Ms Bowman (they're going to really hate me) pointing out the misgivings I have on her reasoning: Our main aim was to provide information for women who were, for some reason or another, unable to breastfeed., since to me it appears this material is designed to be read by pregnant women, not those who have had or are having breastfeeding difficulties - and therein lies the most annoying aspect of this article - to me anyway. Jo - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Contact us From Ninemonths Dear Listers Below is the note I sent and the answer from the ninemonths.com.au site after reading their babyfeeding page. Judy From: Lisa Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Contact us From Ninemonths Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:06:04 +1100 Dear Judy Thanks for your feedback on breastmilk. We were aware when we presented information on this topic that it is a hot topic and have tried to present facts without being biased. Our main aim was to provide information for women who were, for some reason or another, unable to breastfeed. However, it appears some of the copy may not be as 'neutral' as we had intended and I have passed your information on to the contributors who are working on our site. They have made some alterations in areas which may be miscontrued. As you will notice, we do not take advertising or promotion, nor are we sponsored by any organisation. Our site is written and maintained by volunteers and we try our best to present multiple points of view. Thanks again for taking the time to provide your thoughts. Lisa Bowman Site Manager - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: Contact us From Ninemonths Name:Judy Chapman Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:breastfeeding Message: I am sorry but I won't be reccomending your site to anyone with your luke warm policies on breast feeding. Your reasons given to bottle feed are selfish and materialistic. It is this sort of attitude that is contributing to the breakdown of families and our social structure today. Men need to realise that their role is not to take over the job of women but to nurture her and protect her and make it safe for her to use her God given ability to feed her baby in the most healthy way available. As for control over the babies feeding quantities, just as you only eat what you want to eat and would resist efforts to have food forced down you throat, a baby who is breast fed gets the choice of only eating to need, not force. A more likely chance to be normal weighted in an increasingly obese society. Judy Judy Chapman Midwife 07 47490764 _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: possible way to get the message across
I must say I did watch the Neighbours episode, partly because I am 31 weeks preg (2nd baby), and always interested/amused to see how birth is portrayed on telly. That baby was huge - I think he/she was at least 6-8 weeks old anyway. But it's another commonly done thing on TV isn't it? I guess it's hard to get your hands on someone's absolute brand new-y - but, as you mention Rhonda, they could've perhaps tried to find a littler baby - even a 2-4 week-er for the purpose. The child they used was also perfectly smooth and peach-y coloured etc. My son was 3830g at birth, and has a beautiful olive complexion now, and he had Apgars of 9 10 at birth, but he looked very much whiter, wrinklier and screwed up at birth than that peach of a baby. Another interesting point is that Rhonda raises, does anyone recollect in recent times, seeing a woman portrayed having anything other than her first child? Particularly in a serial TV show. I think it's because the transition from childless to family in itself has more dramatic value...? Shall be very interesting to note if the child on Neighbours is breastfed, and if so, whether they bother to portray it for very long... odds on they don't Jo Slamen - Original Message - From: Rhonda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:24 AM Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across I didn't watch the Neighbours thing but did see the adds - that prem at 33 weeks was a nice sized full term baby as far as that goes they should have at least shown the size of a 33 week baby - mothers would be quite shocked if they expected a nice big baby like that to come out at 33 weeks. And I agree they are all too busy making it hospitals and doctors and dramatics - If they want dramatics perhaps they should be encouraged to show a woman fighting for the right to choose a homebirth (surounding the insurance issue) or even a VBAC would be a good angle - to get some of the message across. Just can't believe anything you see on TV! Regards Rhonda - Original Message - From: L D Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across Far cry from the ER episode that had one of my homebirth mums in a state. It was about shoulder dystocia and the mother had a Zavanelli manouvre, was caesared in the ER, died of a pph and the baby lived. What did they think they were doing! - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across That would have been A Country Practice. Actually, if I remember rightly when Lucy gave birth she used a lot of support from the nursing staff, and spent most of her labour in the shower. Kirsten having flashbacks in Minnesota, USA From: L D Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lois Wattis [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:23:06 +1000 I seem to remember an Aussie soap from years ago where Vicki (the local vet) gave birth to twins in a shed, all by herself and all was OK. Far cry from the way TV portrays birth today. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Lois Wattis To: Dean Jo Bainbridge Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across Great idea, Jo. I hope you or others persue it further. Had a chuckle about hog tying the 2 year old. Reminds me of when my kids were littlemy sister (older and wiser than me) used to refer to it as the hook on the wall stage - i.e. if you could just hang them up for a while out of harms way all would be well. Keep up the great work, Cheers, Lois - Original Message - From: Dean Jo Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: possible way to get the message across not that I want to admit that I watch the show...but as Neighbours just happened to be on last night...I noticed that there always needs to be some dramtic event that surrounds birth on tv soap drama. I know that there were babies born recently on home and away but I certainly dont watch that! So I am unaware of the dramas that were involved with these bubs 'births'...no doubt some dramatic birth with mum in the 'beetle' position (thanks Jackie) screaming and doctors running around etc. SO... why dont we write to the soaps and ask them to consider the next bubby being born calmly withot drama at home or at least with a midwife providing care? If we are trying to get it through to the adverage
Re. Leg Cramps
Just to add to Tina's comment, my (layperson's) understanding has been that calcium and magnesium deficiency can result in leg cramps... Leg cramps can also be caused by too little calcium in the diet. So reviewing the woman's diet may be of assistance also. Jo Slamen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: The Algebra Of Infinite Justice
Denise, I know this is way OT regarding the general list content, but... Thank you for providing me with an opportunity to read something sensible and illuminating on the circumstances of the politics of this atrocious conflict. Unlike much of what we read and hear, so much of what Roy says adds to my knowledge of the history behind this conflict and expands on some concerns that I have had as to what is being said and done in response to the terrorist attacks. And it is so markedly different from the sweeping generalisations and rash sentiment that is most often heard in justification for carrying out violence on such a feeble and crippled nation. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Birth Story Book
Joy and List, The point you illustrate is obviously correct Joy. You must have been very disappointed that your work had been borrowed without asking and used in such a sense. In this case, however, I feel that my copying the story to Jane (although I couldn't have told you who I'd copied it to until today) was permission - or at the very least, my indication of a preparedness to have the work used, but I was surprised to find the story actually in print, without having been notified that such would be the case. I guess we are all lucky when we find out that such copies of our writing exist! I suppose there must be many instances where people's writing is used and never discovered. I have taken this as a compliment (am feeling quite literary even!) and hope that readers of Jane's book will benefit from my take on the events of my son's birth. I was surprised it was used in a 'real' book without me realising it was going to be, but delighted that the story was considered appropriate, and of course the book itself is now a special momento to me and, perhaps one day, to my son. Joy, your point is a little different - and hints at something of the lazy and uninspired on the part of the plagiarists of your web site - whose purposes may have been well, but who entered into no relationship of any kind with you before using your wise words to their own good ends. Hopefully authors, compilers and all of those recognising the good work of others are always willing to give credit where it is due - after all, there's nothing like spreading the good word. Jo The issue you have raised is important Jo. The electronic medium makes it all too easy for anyone to pick up whatever they fancy and reprint it. I think this sort of thing needs to be addressed, and those who copy material from this list do need to ask permission of the writer. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
