Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
I might have told this story before - pray forgive me if I have! Went to a wedding once (fortunately as a guest) which was held on a very hot day, 38°, in the open air. By the time it had finished and we got back to the reception my wife and I were hot and sticky, so we had the meal and then went home to change. Coming back to the reception, my wife commented -There don't seem to be many cars here now. We walked in to find the bride's mother sitting on a chair in floods of tears, the staff busily packing up the last of the tables and chairs, and only about three other people left. Turns out that during the early part of the reception, the groom got smashed and whacked the bride's father in the face, putting him on the floor. The bride promptly (of course) smacked the groom soundly, ran out the door and flung herself sobbing into the bushes. Meanwhile, the bride's uncles converged on the groom, who decided that discretion was the better part of valour and fled to his car, speeding off into the distance not to be seen for 48 hours. It seems that most people decided that the reception was probably over, and went home! All this took place in the thirty minutes it took us to go and change. John Coyle (and, yes, the BG did get back together and lived happily ever... well, for a couple of years anyway!) Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. Get yer money up front. I've had marriages end before the album is delivered. Hell, I had a marriage end just before the bride walks into the church. And that was one incredibly funny (to me, but I am a twited pig) day. William Robb
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
Hi! It just occurred to me that the reasonable way to produce *original* wedding photo stuff could probably be shooting on weddings of your friends/relatives/fellow photogs. But such thing would have to be agreed upon in advance. Normally, as I remember myself getting married g, I wanted my wedding photographer to document in a sense what was going to happen. He did a very good job I think. I suppose it would be a good time to take yet another look on my wedding album g. Another thought that happens to me g. Original stuff can be shot, I think, not during the ceremony itself. For instance, we were getting married in January and such thing as an outdoors photo session on the wedding day in case of winter Jerusalem was impossible... Well, I only got married once and shot on the wedding just two days ago... g Boris
Re: OT: Cokin P Ultrawide
Hi Ryan, On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:25:04 +1000, Ryan Lee wrote: Hi all, I'm sorry this one's another OT; I was hoping I could draw on the sea of experience on this list. Has anyone used a Cokin P system on a ultrawide zoom (17-35 or 19-35), I have been using it on an ultra-wide, but that was 45mm on a 6x7 :-) That would be slightly less than a 24mm lens on 35mm format. and if so I was wondering if I could get some advice and tackling the vignetting problem. I've read some comments elsewhere about trimming down excess filter slots- has anyone here done this before? Yes I have done that. The holder has slots for 3 filters, making it rather thick. I used a smal saw to simply cut off the front two slots, making the risk of vignetting much smaller. I use that slot for a graduated ND filter. Also, I'm curious as to whether it's possible to use a (screw on) SinghRay thinline gold/blue polariser together with an nd grad on a Cokin P, since I understand the thin g/b doesn't have an outer thread? If that filter does not have an outer thread you won't be able to mount the Cokin-P holder properly. It needs a small metal ring that screws into the lens (or filter) thread. You then slide the plastic holder on that ring. There are rings in several diameters to accomodate different lenses. You can't mount any filter to the front of the Cokin either. (would cause massive vignetting anyway :-) I haven't used the Cokin P holder before, and I apologise in advance if all this sounds overly silly. No problem. There are no dumb or silly questions :-) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery
Re: The Toughest Pentax
On 6/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I lived in Anglesey when I were a lad. We were stationed at RAF Valley and I went to school in Caergiliog (sp?), where I learnt to do joined-up writing and call Welsh people 'trogs'. My sister went to school in Bangor for a few months and had to learn Welsh. I can still count up to 7 in Welsh. How useful is that? I thought it was 'gogs'? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: the Pentax ring flash
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Fred wrote: The only difference that mattered to me was, in fact, those 49mm threads - one of the adapters that comes with the 140 has allowed me to use it with both the A 100/2.8 Macro and the A* 200/4 Macro (both 58mm threads), but I guess I probably could have gotten by with a 49mm to 58mm filter step-up ring instead. Step-down, I think (narrower filter than lens thread). Has anybody tried it? Any vignetting? I also ordered the Reverse Holder K, which allows to attach the AF080C to a reversed lens. Can't wait to get it (and for spring/summer to arrive :-) Kostas
Re: the Pentax ring flash
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:37:26 + (GMT), Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: Step-down, I think (narrower filter than lens thread). Has anybody tried it? Any vignetting? I also ordered the Reverse Holder K, which allows to attach the AF080C to a reversed lens. Can't wait to get it (and for spring/summer to arrive :-) I've use the AF080c on both the FA100f2.8 macro and the Sigma 105EX macro. Both with no vignetting. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
Re: It's Stopped Raining
The ME Super and the Super A may appear to handle this, but they are not sealed, and the owner's manual does not recommend this kind of treatment. Dag T wrote: I was very impressed with the MZ-S in this respect. Coming out of well below 20degrees under zero into a warm and moist cafe, it produced enough condensation to soak about 30 paper napkins. I just kept mopping it off until it had warmed up sufficiently to cease creating. Never had a problem of any sort. I was also using the 28-70/2.8 FA* lans. ME Super, Super A and LX also handles this great. Have anybody taken the chance on the *istD yet? I didn´t take the chances on new years eve...
Re: laptop question...
My experience trying to do this with a Win98SE laptop was not good. I have an external SCSI-based burner. I tried two different brands of SCSI PCMCIA cards. Both totally hung my machine. Both vendors had no useful suggestion about how to burp the card to life. However, an off-brand IEEE 1394 (firewire) does work in my machine. -Lon Cotty wrote: On 3/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: . How involved would it be for me to purchase a separate burner and install it myself or, alternatively, has anyone ever used an external cd-burner with a laptop, and if so, how did you find it? what problems, if any, did you find? what sort of power source would I need to run an external cd-burner or would it draw power from the laptop? TIA, tan.
RE: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Yeah but divorces are expensive because they are worth it. ;-) Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. tvv's comment on paying someone $200 to $300 an hour is very ironic. About 1/2 of those people will, in not too many years time, be paying another professional $200 to $300 an hour, for a very different type of service... vbg cheers, frank
Re: It's Stopped Raining
Sorry, I missed the original post (and think it may not have been Dag T who wrote about the MZ-S): On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Lon Williamson wrote: Dag T wrote: I was very impressed with the MZ-S in this respect. Coming out of well below 20degrees under zero into a warm and moist cafe, it produced enough condensation to soak about 30 paper napkins. I just kept mopping it off until it had warmed up sufficiently to cease creating. Which bits does one mop (and therefore check for condensation)? Thanks, Kostas
Re: JanEweAviary Pug Comments (all photos, long post)
Yup. P Kong wrote: Lon, when you say citified, do you mean in reference to objects in the scene that would tell you that the bird was in an urban setting?
Re: Humble PUG Review
You've summed up my own feelings about my shot. Decent but not outstanding. Sharpest focus is not where it should be, either. However, getting this kind of shot in a zoo is NOT easy. People rush to displaying peacocks. Little kids run right up to them. They move, and that long neck can go through the viewfinder in well under a second. I shot 4 rolls and got about 5 usable shots. I tried in every one to fill the frame; I was deliberately after the cliche. Thanks for commenting, Boris. -Lon Boris Liberman wrote: Fanned Out by Lon Williamson. No offence, but I think that this is somewhat too usual, too cliche. Could be I wouldn't be able to achieve the same, but local zoos are fulls of these birds and given enough patience, similar opportunity my present itself. Of course, I can say nothing about technical aspect - it is most competent.
RE: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
In the local VFW hall? BR From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll do that. On a Tuesday. In February . tv
Re: Singapore?
On 7 Jan 2004 at 0:13, Stan Halpin wrote: Anyone with experience in Singapore who would care to offer suggestions re photo opportunities etc? Hi Stan, There are plenty of great photo ops along the Singapore River from Robertson Quay to Elin Bridge especially from dusk onwards. Also a half day trip to Sentosa Island will give you a bit of a work-out and a great view of the harbour from the cable car. The island is a bit theme park like but there are some nice walks through the rain forest. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a
...and the thing you're doing wrong is charging too little. Low end pricing gets you low end clients. Weekend warriors shooting $500 weddings are going to attract riff-raff clients who basically want something for nothing. This is why, as a shooting on the side guy, I only freelance for studios atart at midrange pricing. Don't even have to deal with PITA MOBs, because it's the BG that arrange things and sign the contract. Even if the folks are contributing, you're working for the person that signs the contract. At the end of most weddings we get thanks, hugs and a check. BR From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Weddings are fun. Unless you're hired by rednecks, twits, or morons, people are going to be on their best behavior, treat you well, and give you cake. - If you get hired by rednecks, twits or morons it's your own damn fault.
Re: Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a ...and the thing you're doing wrong is charging too little. Low end pricing gets you low end clients. Weekend warriors shooting $500 weddings are going to attract riff-raff clients who basically want something for nothing. This is why, as a shooting on the side guy, I only freelance for studios atart at midrange pricing. Don't even have to deal with PITA MOBs, because it's the BG that arrange things and sign the contract. Even if the folks are contributing, you're working for the person that signs the contract. One of the things that was mentioned by the originator of this thread was that she is trying to eke out a living in a low population area. I recall she mentioned something like 40,000 people in a 200km wide market base. Even if she were the only game in town, there just isn't a lot of market there. I think she will have a very hard time following all the advice we have given her regarding pricing. She has already set herself up as the person to go to on the cheap, so raising her prices to industry standards (whatever they are) is going to be a long, slow process of a few percentage points at a time, and having to put up with a lot of resistance from people who know what she charged for work in the past. It's doable, but not overnight, and in the meantime, she will probably have to put up with a few tightwads. Being expensive in a small market isn't easy, but is worthwhile. One of the most expensive photographers around here lives in the town of Moose Jaw, which has a population of around 45,000. He has priced himself really well, and had achieved a nice balance of income vs. workload. I did a seminar with him one time. One of the things he mentioned was that a 10% price reduction means that you need to do 40% more work to turn the same income. I don't know if this is 100% accurate, but it is food for thought. William Robb
Re: JanEweAviary Pug Comments (all photos, long post)
Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walking on a Strange Animal by Gianfranco Irlanda Gianfranco has a style, often a little off-beat, and here's a charming example. Makes me wonder if I'll ever have a style. One of my very favorites this month. Hi Lon, Thanks a lot for the kind words! I'm sorry for my late reply, my keyboard doesn't work as it should. Ciao, Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
OT:Stroboframe question
I posted this a week ago but its in cyber space somewere. I have been to their web site and there is a lot to choose from,but can someone suggest a frame that would be good for the 6x7 and also able to take a PZ-1 or the D1. I want to look pro when i do my neice's wedding. I know i can get the off camera kit for the flash from Chris's store in Winnipeg. Any suggestions. Dave
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see myth #6: http://www.phototechmag.com/previous-articles/apr-myths.htm Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Given the number photographs made by the enormous number people who have been doing it over the 150 or so years than photography has existed I can't imagine how one might come up with a truly original never been done before shot. That doesn't it isn't possible do great work and make great art. BTW: That myths page is great, Bob! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: OT: Photographer-Spies (was: OT: Best photography novel?)
Frank, Thought about you and your comment last night while out and about in the Fells Point section of Baltimore. I went out in the cold - okay, it was only in the upper 20s (F), no idea about wind chill - with the *ist D and some screwmount lenses. Jumped into a coffee shop to warm up - it beckoned since it had photographs on the wall. No large prints. Though, now that I think of it, I only got to see about three or four of them. One girl noted the camera as I took some shots of the interior as I was sitting at a table. We ended up talking for quite a bit and even more once her girl friend showed up. Interesting perspectives of idealistic college students. She ended up using her cell phone to have her friend take a shot of the two of us. I, of course, have a nice shot of the two of them And all this was without a snake-skinned LX ;-) César Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland P.S. Stay off the list for a couple of days and I am once again in arrears. Looks like it is time to just kill off some threads... -- -Original Message- -- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:15 AM -- -- Hi, Cesar, -- -- She? -- -- Thus proving my point in an earlier point. Lock up yer -- daughters, Cesar's -- comin' to town! g -- -- -frank -- -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible -- worlds. The pessimist -- fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer -- -- -- -- -- From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Subject: RE: OT: Photographer-Spies (was: OT: Best -- photography novel?) -- Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:08:18 -0500 -- -- Frank, -- -- I got the same response for a friend today. She used to -- lurk on the list, -- but does not have the time to anymore... -- -- I was helping her remove a CPC brand lens that was stuck on -- her MZ-5. -- Finally got it off. -- -- Then I let her use the *ist D to test out some Pentax M -- lenses she got from -- ebay. She got a kick out of using it. -- -- By the way, she was the one that got the snake skins for my LXen, -- -- César -- Panama City, Florida -- --
Re: Picture Window Pro v Photoshop
This is a good site, but the biggest problem was that the site assumes everyone is working with a monitor set for 1024 x 768. I need the larger text, so I use a setting of 832 x 624. Most sites accommodate that. Some don't. With this one, I have to move the screen from side to side to accommodate how the site is constructed. Other than that, most useful site. keith whaley Shel Belinkoff wrote: Sheesh, that site is s-l-o-w ... Rob Studdert wrote: The Panotools plug-in can be used to correct chromatic aberrations: http://www.caldwellphotographic.com/TutorialsDistortionAndColorFringing.html
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
Hi, I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. too much sugar! -- Cheers, Bob
Re: Thanks for the Welcome!
once you understand natural light, I hope that you would also respect and appreciate it more, making you less likely to want to go and fry the Holy Baloney out of it with a Big Honking Raygun. A true wordsmith. I finally broke down and bought a used 360, but I will avoid flash whenever I can. Probably because I've never really taken the time to learn how to use it correctly. I'm actually hoping to use the instant feedback feature of the *ist D to work on this someday. I think I'll wait until I can feed the images directly to the computer (I seem to remember that we can't do that yet w/o first storing the image to the card) This way I can put it off even longer . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...divorces are expensive because they are worth it. ;-) Absolutely brilliant! (But it still ain't gonna make the PDML famous quotations list!) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. too much sugar! Yep, and his writing about his photography is even worse. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: My Meager wedding experience (Was: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.)
I've read the books, I also warn people about the risks. I'm an amateur, not inexperienced. ;) Thanks, Jeff Jonsson -Original Message- From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: My Meager wedding experience (Was: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.) For those about to venture into wedding photography, be careful and buy a few books on it. My wedding photos and planning was much better after some good reading. I also felt compelled to warn the client up front that photography processes are not 100% reliable and there is always a small chance of something going wrong. That way if something did go wrong they would be more willing to accept it. Also, when things went right ( they always did thank God ) they might tend to be a little more thankful for the photos they did get.. JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com
Re: The Toughest Pentax
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: On 6/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: it's been to Newborough Warren On Anglesey?? Yep, the very one. I went to University in Bangor-aye. I reckon if the MX can survive the life of a student in the wilds of Anglesey then it's as good as indestructable! I love Anglesey! Got a few good shots there last time: http://www.robertstech.com/graphics/pages/7d005012.htm Hoping to visit my relatives there again before too long. Lots of great photographic opportunities there. Just remember to bring your Gore-Tex clothing! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
Not to mention you get exactly the same thing from all the guys and gals who have taken his seminars. When you hire Monte Zucker, what you get is Monte Zucker himself, or one of his employees. Not some kind of special available nowhere else photography. He has just carried name brand recognision to the maximum level in wedding photography. And , BTW, most brides only have one big wedding, even if they get married several times in their life. That alblum is oridginal to her, never mind that every other bride has one just like it. She ain't like us photogs who look at thousands of photos an start seeing the similarities. Furthermore, you have to produce photos that she likes, not ones that you like. That is what being a pro is all about. -- Mark Roberts wrote: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: laptop question...
Well I used an HP USB CD/RW with a Satellite (Win98SE)no problems. -- Lon Williamson wrote: My experience trying to do this with a Win98SE laptop was not good. I have an external SCSI-based burner. I tried two different brands of SCSI PCMCIA cards. Both totally hung my machine. Both vendors had no useful suggestion about how to burp the card to life. However, an off-brand IEEE 1394 (firewire) does work in my machine. -Lon Cotty wrote: On 3/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: . How involved would it be for me to purchase a separate burner and install it myself or, alternatively, has anyone ever used an external cd-burner with a laptop, and if so, how did you find it? what problems, if any, did you find? what sort of power source would I need to run an external cd-burner or would it draw power from the laptop? TIA, tan. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
RE: wedding photography...ugh!
Something just occurred to me. With today's extremely high divorce rate, does most of the photographer's work end up in a dumpster sooner or later? Kind of a shame huh? JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wedding photography...ugh! Not to mention you get exactly the same thing from all the guys and gals who have taken his seminars. When you hire Monte Zucker, what you get is Monte Zucker himself, or one of his employees. Not some kind of special available nowhere else photography. He has just carried name brand recognision to the maximum level in wedding photography. And , BTW, most brides only have one big wedding, even if they get married several times in their life. That alblum is oridginal to her, never mind that every other bride has one just like it. She ain't like us photogs who look at thousands of photos an start seeing the similarities. Furthermore, you have to produce photos that she likes, not ones that you like. That is what being a pro is all about. -- Mark Roberts wrote: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
RE: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
For $300/hour? Sure. I just think of it as a portrait session. It's not likely that someone else is going to hire me for a full gig on a Tuesday in February. I have a gig like that tomorrow. Speaking of the VFW...I actually did a VFW wedding last spring, she hired me a while back. It was a Saturday, normal 8 hours, but she got me cheap as she planned way ahead. Anyway, I shoot the wedding, reception is at the VFW hall. Catered by the VFW - frozen vegetables and those really nasty frozen chicken kiev patties. Basically Hot Pockets, but not as good. Very inexpensive wedding. I *assumed* I wouldn't get much of a reprint/album order, but I was wrong, she bought a very large enlargement album and 3 parents albums in addition to a load of prints. You never can tell tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. In the local VFW hall? BR From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll do that. On a Tuesday. In February . tv
Re: My Meager wedding experience (Was: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.)
Awesome! Someone else in the land of Zion! :-) William (who's been volunteered for four weddings in the next 3 months) in Utah. - Original Message - From: Jeff Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:06 AM Subject: My Meager wedding experience (Was: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.) snip Most of the big photo houses around Salt Lake snip
Re: My Meager wedding experience (Was: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.)
I don't, and won't, be the official photographer at a wedding. Since the only weddings we attend are those of friends and relatives, my wedding gift is a set of candids. I always clear what I'm doing with the pro, get his/her okay, and do my best to stay out of their way. I usually know most of the people attending and, for candids, often have a better idea of who/what to look for, and am therefore able to get shots the pro may have missed. Bill
Re: Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Unless I missed it in this thread somewhere, I've seen no one comment on the staging of the ceremony afterwards to compensate for either the lack of flash during or no shooting at all during the ceremony. I've had pretty good success and complete cooperation from the clergy in this matter thus far, doing the actual ceremony shots in this manner. I realize it fails to capture the moment of the ceremony, but is much better then getting nothing at all, or grossly blurred, off colored pictures. I see the biggest problem as being unprepared for what your going to encounter on that day. I like to go to the church about the same time of day as the proposed wedding and burning a roll of film while experimenting with filters and the like and maybe even an extra roll of tungsten balanced film as well. I don't need to get prints at this point, since scanning is enough to tell me how they are going to come out. I've even had clients purchase some of these preshots if they like the churches architecture. There is of course no guarantee that the ambient lighting will be the same on any given day, but I feel I definitely have an advantage this way. It also helps me to set up all the must get shots in my head ahead of time. The clergies have then had an opportunity to tell me their wish list and as a whole been much better to work with when I took this extra step. When your getting paid to do a shoot it is your responsibility to do everything within your power to make this job a complete success. Dave On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, William Robb wrote: From: Amita Guha The Presbyterian church where we got married (200 year old congregation) didn't allow photography during the service, but we knew about that well in advance. I was actually kind of happy not to have the distraction. During a wedding we attended shortly after, there were cameras going off all during the ceremony and it seemed to wreck the mood. My experience was that a no photos during the ceremony policy only shut down the working photographers. There will always be a number of pew warmers who don't observe the ban, I suspect on the theory that there isn't a hell of a lot that can be done about them. OTOH, a pro who doesn't listen can be barred from shooting there in the future.
Re: laptop question...
Joining this thread late, so forgive my redundancy If you use an external USB CD/RW make sure you get a USB 2.0 burner and a USB 2.0 PCMCIA card to plug it into (if your onboard is not 2.0). I went to oz last October and carted my crappy Dell Inspiron with me. for the trip I bought an external burner and tested it at home on the on-board USB 1 controller. Yeah right! Burning a full CD took ages. So I bought the above mentioned USB 2.0 PCMCIA card and burns went so much quicker. In the end, after lugging the laptop, external burner, CF reader, etc around oz for almost a month, I would HIGHLY recommend getting a laptop with a built-in burner and a built in or PCMCIA CF reader. Christian - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: Re: laptop question... Well I used an HP USB CD/RW with a Satellite (Win98SE)no problems. -- Lon Williamson wrote: My experience trying to do this with a Win98SE laptop was not good. I have an external SCSI-based burner. I tried two different brands of SCSI PCMCIA cards. Both totally hung my machine. Both vendors had no useful suggestion about how to burp the card to life. However, an off-brand IEEE 1394 (firewire) does work in my machine. -Lon Cotty wrote: On 3/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: . How involved would it be for me to purchase a separate burner and install it myself or, alternatively, has anyone ever used an external cd-burner with a laptop, and if so, how did you find it? what problems, if any, did you find? what sort of power source would I need to run an external cd-burner or would it draw power from the laptop? TIA, tan.
Re: Ergonomics of *istD
From what I've seen of the *ist-D and my experience with other Pentax bodies including the MZ-S, *ist, etc. I'd like them to take the whole camera and put it in an MZ-S style body. That camera feels just right. They should put back the mechanical aperture mechanism, and perhaps they could increase the sensor size and pixel count and release it as the, say, MZ-D? ;) Nick
Re: OT:Stroboframe question
Hello brooksdj, The Pro-T bracket works very well. There is an anti-twist plate for the 67/645 and you hold the camera, not the bracket. That is the one that I used with my 67II. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, January 6, 2004, 4:03:52 PM, you wrote: bcin I posted this a week ago but its in cyber space somewere. bcin I have been to their web site and there is a lot to bcin choose from,but can someone suggest a bcin frame that bcin would be good for the 6x7 and also able to take a PZ-1 or the D1. bcin I want to look pro when i do my neice's wedding. bcin I know i can get the off camera kit for the flash from Chris's store in Winnipeg. bcin Any suggestions. bcin Dave
Re: My Meager wedding experience (Was: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.)
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Bill Owens wrote: I don't, and won't, be the official photographer at a wedding. Since the only weddings we attend are those of friends and relatives, my wedding gift is a set of candids. I always clear what I'm doing with the pro, get his/her okay, and do my best to stay out of their way. I usually know most of the people attending and, for candids, often have a better idea of who/what to look for, and am therefore able to get shots the pro may have missed. I have done *exactly* the same things the one time I had the opportunity; it was great fun and they liked their present. I also won't be the prime photographer. Kostas
Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
What are Hot Pockets? tom wrote: Anyway, I shoot the wedding, reception is at the VFW hall. Catered by the VFW - frozen vegetables and those really nasty frozen chicken kiev patties. Basically Hot Pockets, but not as good. Very inexpensive wedding.
Re: Ebay scam alert...
In my experience, reporting to eBay does no good. You get an initial burst of satisfaction followed by even greater frustration as eBay (a) sends you a canned response, (b) sends you a second canned response that is either a lie or addresses some issue you never raised, then (c) lets the a**e off the hook. I reported a seller spamming me. After investigating eBay told me that his email address had been pirated. Right -- someone pirated his email address to advertise his auctions! When I reported him a third time, eBay sent me a canned response saying Here's how to protect your security -- an issue I never raised. Joe
RE: wedding photography...ugh!
-Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Most wedding photographers have a checklist of shots that need to be gotten. They start at number one, and work their way down the list. Like Mr. Rubenstein said, the customer knows what a wedding album should look like, and you had better produce one for them that looks like what they think it should look like. I think most brides' experience of wedding albums is fairly meager. The only thing they've seen is in the hands of the photographers they've interviewed. They are mostly not interested in getting something similar to their mom's album. When I meet with clients I show them 2 albums, and they have a total of maybe 70 pictures. 2 of them are traditional looking formals. The people who want formals probably don't hire me. The people who like my sort of thing do. Everyone is happy - they get what they want, I get a check and to shoot the way I want. tv
RE: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Oh jeez, they have their own site - http://www.hotpockets.com/ Hot pocket dissection - http://www.cockeyed.com/science/hotpocket/hotpok1.html tv -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. What are Hot Pockets? tom wrote: Anyway, I shoot the wedding, reception is at the VFW hall. Catered by the VFW - frozen vegetables and those really nasty frozen chicken kiev patties. Basically Hot Pockets, but not as good. Very inexpensive wedding.
RE: First*istD Pictures
A non-sequitur? What does not follow? I must not be paying enough attention. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 It's only January, and I believe we have a strong contender for the Non-Sequitor of the Year Award... vbg cheers, frank, Chairman, Nominating Committee, N-SotYA _ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Yuck! Probably loaded with chemicals and treated waste products. tom wrote: Oh jeez, they have their own site - http://www.hotpockets.com/ Hot pocket dissection - http://www.cockeyed.com/science/hotpocket/hotpok1.html
Re: Cokin P Ultrawide
The Cokin P system has a limit at 75mm. The largest adaptor ring is 77mm, but if you measure the inner diameter of the pola filter or the B/Y pola, it's 75. The widest lens I have for 35mm is the FA 20mm, which works fine (67mm front cap). Cheers, Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:25 AM Subject: OT: Cokin P Ultrawide Hi all, I'm sorry this one's another OT; I was hoping I could draw on the sea of experience on this list. Has anyone used a Cokin P system on a ultrawide zoom (17-35 or 19-35), and if so I was wondering if I could get some advice and tackling the vignetting problem. I've read some comments elsewhere about trimming down excess filter slots- has anyone here done this before? Also, I'm curious as to whether it's possible to use a (screw on) SinghRay thinline gold/blue polariser together with an nd grad on a Cokin P, since I understand the thin g/b doesn't have an outer thread? I haven't used the Cokin P holder before, and I apologise in advance if all this sounds overly silly. Thanks, Ryan
Re: the Pentax ring flash
Fred wrote: I really don't think of it as a real auction - just a note that if someone wan'ts it and is dragging his heels and has more than that I'd love it, and I'm not going to do another note to the whole list on this. I understand, Ann. However, your original ad (in the For Sale - Pentax ring light/flash barely used thread) ~did~ in fact say I'll keep bidders informed off list, and instead you actually started an additional thread with your ongoing auction. Oh well, 'nuff said, I guess... Yeah... I meant I'd let people know if I got that $100 as the price to beat - oh well - anyway -- I'll keep the rest off the list - and in future put it differently but I sure don't have much left to sell along the line of camera stuff. The reason I like ebay, actually, is that I've always worried about charging people too much (probably why I'm poor!) for something, my anti-corporate world mind-set - so if I get a lot of money for something I've found for a tiny amount I don't feel guilty. ann But even if you are being a crumudgeon, thanks for the added info I just thought of an additional advantage for the older AF080C, although it's a totally subjective one (and some may consider it to be either insignificant or even a disadvantage). I personally prefer the ~looks~ of the AF080C, which is sort of boxy (like the AF280T and the AF400T), and which (I think) is a much nicer match to the older bodies I use the most (I usually use an LX for macro shooting). In comparison, the newer AF140C is more streamlined in appearance, which is not surprising, since it was probably designed during the SF-1 era or the PZ-1 era. All I do now, when using the AF140C out in public, is to put a bag over my head (the unknown Pentaxer) - g. I guess I could also add that $100 is not a bad price at all for an AF080C. Fred
RE: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
I think a lot depends upon the environment in which the photographer meets to discuss the booking. If the prospective clients come to the photographer's studio, they are influenced by what they see there. Pictures on the walls, diplomas, degrees, memberships in professional societies, the furniture, the studio photo equipment, and the presence of employees and assistants. If they meet the photographer in their own home, or in the photographer's home, or in some mutually agreed on meeting place, I think the photographer loses something in prestige and bargaining power. In other words, an obviously shoestring operation just doesn't command as much respect as an established professional studio. Everyone has to start somewhere, and that's usually small. Happy brides and grooms are our best advertisers. The best album we can produce, containing the best work we can do will earn us referral business. But our business appearance and professionalism will help to keep the number of chiselers down. The limo company, the owners of the hall, the caterers, florists, etc. all have a very visible (and major) investment that can be seen up front. The clients are too impressed to try to cheapen the deal. Besides, those folks are hard to book because they are very busy. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 I wonder how many engaged couples (or their families) try to bargain down the limosine company? Or the reception hall? (HA! try that one!) _ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es
Re[2]: Cokin P Ultrawide
Hello Jostein, I have purchased an 82mm adapter ring for Cokin P System (Cokin brand) for a friend. I think you have to measure the inner diameter of the holder itself as many filters are retangular and just slide into the holder. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 8:51:29 AM, you wrote: J The Cokin P system has a limit at 75mm. The largest adaptor ring is 77mm, J but if you measure the inner diameter of the pola filter or the B/Y pola, J it's 75. J The widest lens I have for 35mm is the FA 20mm, which works fine (67mm front J cap). J Cheers, J Jostein J - J Pictures at: http://oksne.net J - J - Original Message - J From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] J To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] J Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:25 AM J Subject: OT: Cokin P Ultrawide Hi all, I'm sorry this one's another OT; I was hoping I could draw on the sea of experience on this list. Has anyone used a Cokin P system on a ultrawide zoom (17-35 or 19-35), and if so I was wondering if I could get some advice and tackling the vignetting problem. I've read some comments elsewhere about trimming down excess filter slots- has anyone here done J this before? Also, I'm curious as to whether it's possible to use a (screw on) SinghRay thinline gold/blue polariser together with an nd grad on a Cokin P, since J I understand the thin g/b doesn't have an outer thread? I haven't used the Cokin P holder before, and I apologise in advance if all this sounds J overly silly. Thanks, Ryan
Re: Singapore? (Very long: A reasonably detailed walkthrough..)
Hi, Grew up there, so I guess I've got some license. I'm now in Brisbane, Australia, but Singapore's so tiny I may have memorised it :-) Har! yet another of the places I lived in when I was a kid. We were posted to Changi for a couple of years, and lived in a house in Siglap (Beaumont Rd or Gardens, I can still remember). It was the early 1960s. Lee Kwan Yew was quite new as the PM, or became PM while we were there. There was rioting in the streets, and 'She Loves You' was the new Beatles record. I think Singapore has probably changed a bit since then. We wouldn't go to the beaches because they were covered in dead dogs and gulls - we went to Changi swimming pool every afternoon instead. The street we lived on didn't have a made-up road, just a dirt track. My mother used to buy live chickens from a cart and the chicken man would cut their heads off and let them run around the garden for a bit. Then he would cut the feet off and give them to us boys to play with. We had a very nice ama called Ann. Once she took us to her home in a place called Kampong and I was horrified by the poverty and the squalor she lived in. I don't know if it was truly like that, or just my childish perception. A place I particularly remember which could still be there is the Tiger Balm Gardens, with a horrific display of people suffering torments in Hell. There were also a lot of interesting Hindu funerals, and festival parades where people ran metal spikes through their bodies. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: My Meager wedding experience (Was: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.)
Hi, [...] I also felt compelled to warn the client up front that photography processes are not 100% reliable and there is always a small chance of something going wrong. That way if something did go wrong they would be more willing to accept it. Also, when things went right ( they always did thank God ) they might tend to be a little more thankful for the photos they did get.. be like a surgeon and tell them all the circumstances during the shoot in which they might die. That way when they wake up at the end of it all they'll feel relieved that only the wrong leg has been sawn off. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
I told Rodney Dangerfield the story of my life many years ago and he made a fortune with it. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...divorces are expensive because they are worth it. ;-) Absolutely brilliant! (But it still ain't gonna make the PDML famous quotations list!) -- Mark Roberts _ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com
RE: My Meager wedding experience (Was: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.)
Steve Sint's book is a nice starting place. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 For those about to venture into wedding photography, be careful and buy a few books on it. My wedding photos and planning was much better after some good reading. I also felt compelled to warn the client up front that photography processes are not 100% reliable and there is always a small chance of something going wrong. That way if something did go wrong they would be more willing to accept it. Also, when things went right ( they always did thank God ) they might tend to be a little more thankful for the photos they did get.. JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com _ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com
Re: January PUG Comments - Jan. 6
Frank: First, Thank you so much for taking the time and making the effort to comment on all the PUG entries this month! I find it quite interesting and most instructive to read someone else's comments after I have view the photos and then go back to see what that other person saw that I may have missed. I hope someone else takes up the challange next month and does a similar review. Thanks also for your kind comments on my entry and my dog. In addition to it being a nice portrait of my pet, one of the things I like about the shot is the snow on the dog and the streaks made by the snowflakes in the background. frank theriault wrote: Princess by Dan Matyola: I guess Bill Sawyer isn't the only one with a great snow shot this month. Everything comes together in this one. I really like the falling snow - adds great atmosphere. Nothing bad, everything good. Tremendous photo, Dan. Beautiful dog, too.
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
If the best life lies in being able to do something you enjoy, and make a living at it, then I think Monte is doing pretty well. Whether we approve of his approach and style or not. It's just so easy to criticize successful people, when we know we can shoot better than they can. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Not to mention you get exactly the same thing from all the guys and gals who have taken his seminars. When you hire Monte Zucker, what you get is Monte Zucker himself, or one of his employees. Not some kind of special available nowhere else photography. He has just carried name brand recognision to the maximum level in wedding photography. And , BTW, most brides only have one big wedding, even if they get married several times in their life. That alblum is oridginal to her, never mind that every other bride has one just like it. She ain't like us photogs who look at thousands of photos an start seeing the similarities. Furthermore, you have to produce photos that she likes, not ones that you like. That is what being a pro is all about. -- Mark Roberts wrote: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway. _ Expand your wine savvy and get some great new recipes at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com
Re: Re[2]: Cokin P Ultrawide
Bruce, I will bring out the ruler and the holder when I'm done clearing snow from our front yard, but IIRC, the holder diameter is larger than the pola filter. Cheers, Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:59 PM Subject: Re[2]: Cokin P Ultrawide Hello Jostein, I have purchased an 82mm adapter ring for Cokin P System (Cokin brand) for a friend. I think you have to measure the inner diameter of the holder itself as many filters are retangular and just slide into the holder. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 8:51:29 AM, you wrote: J The Cokin P system has a limit at 75mm. The largest adaptor ring is 77mm, J but if you measure the inner diameter of the pola filter or the B/Y pola, J it's 75. J The widest lens I have for 35mm is the FA 20mm, which works fine (67mm front J cap). J Cheers, J Jostein J - J Pictures at: http://oksne.net J - J - Original Message - J From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] J To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] J Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:25 AM J Subject: OT: Cokin P Ultrawide Hi all, I'm sorry this one's another OT; I was hoping I could draw on the sea of experience on this list. Has anyone used a Cokin P system on a ultrawide zoom (17-35 or 19-35), and if so I was wondering if I could get some advice and tackling the vignetting problem. I've read some comments elsewhere about trimming down excess filter slots- has anyone here done J this before? Also, I'm curious as to whether it's possible to use a (screw on) SinghRay thinline gold/blue polariser together with an nd grad on a Cokin P, since J I understand the thin g/b doesn't have an outer thread? I haven't used the Cokin P holder before, and I apologise in advance if all this sounds J overly silly. Thanks, Ryan
Re: Ergonomics of *istD
Pentax will probably do that when they find a good full frame chip that doesn't price them completely out of the market. They were close to producing the MZ-D, you know. They actually announced it and showed a prototype. The MZ-S is their current Flagship film camera. I don't think the *ist D was intended to be a Flagship digital. I'd like to see them release a 10MP, full frame, Foveon X3, if one ever becomes available, that we could buy for around $2K or less. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From what I've seen of the *ist-D and my experience with other Pentax bodies including the MZ-S, *ist, etc. I'd like them to take the whole camera and put it in an MZ-S style body. That camera feels just right. They should put back the mechanical aperture mechanism, and perhaps they could increase the sensor size and pixel count and release it as the, say, MZ-D? ;) Nick _ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the best life lies in being able to do something you enjoy, and make a living at it, then I think Monte is doing pretty well. Whether we approve of his approach and style or not. It's just so easy to criticize successful people, when we know we can shoot better than they can. Oh, but I *couldn't* shoot better than him... within his particular specialty. I just detest his photos :) If I were going to go into business doing that kind of work I'd probably study his stuff intently because it's clearly successful. BTW, I thought the best in life was To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. To hear the lamentation of their women. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
LOL What we see of his work is what he wants us to see. Do we know of what his more personal portfolio is like? Leonard Paris wrote: If the best life lies in being able to do something you enjoy, and make a living at it, then I think Monte is doing pretty well. Whether we approve of his approach and style or not. It's just so easy to criticize successful people, when we know we can shoot better than they can.
Not wedding photography ...
but something quite the opposite: cell phone photography ROTFLMAO Some call it art, some call it crap, some just get a busy signal when the call ... http://www.mobog.com/
Re: Ebay scam alert...
After all is said and done, this is indeed spamming. One of the things we can all do is use a software tool that will get the spammer listed on one or more anti-spam servers, like SpamCop. That way, if you use that type of software, it will bounce his messages and automatically delete them, as well as alerting all of the other users of the anti-spam software. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 In my experience, reporting to eBay does no good. You get an initial burst of satisfaction followed by even greater frustration as eBay (a) sends you a canned response, (b) sends you a second canned response that is either a lie or addresses some issue you never raised, then (c) lets the a**e off the hook. I reported a seller spamming me. After investigating eBay told me that his email address had been pirated. Right -- someone pirated his email address to advertise his auctions! When I reported him a third time, eBay sent me a canned response saying Here's how to protect your security -- an issue I never raised. Joe _ Expand your wine savvy and get some great new recipes at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com
RE: wedding photography...ugh!
Well, I know for sure it's not To Ride the open steppe, feel the wind in your face, and have a falcon at your wrist. -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wedding photography...ugh! Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the best life lies in being able to do something you enjoy, and make a living at it, then I think Monte is doing pretty well. Whether we approve of his approach and style or not. It's just so easy to criticize successful people, when we know we can shoot better than they can. Oh, but I *couldn't* shoot better than him... within his particular specialty. I just detest his photos :) If I were going to go into business doing that kind of work I'd probably study his stuff intently because it's clearly successful. BTW, I thought the best in life was To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. To hear the lamentation of their women. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: wedding photography...ugh!
J. C. O'Connell wrote: Something just occurred to me. With today's extremely high divorce rate, does most of the photographer's work end up in a dumpster sooner or later? Kind of a shame huh? One of my school friends had a marriage that only lasted a year; came back to find half the house empty and a note to say she had moved in with her boss. He found his wedding photos most therapeutic. Granted he stuck them to the garage wall and shot them with an air rifle but... Malcolm
Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Similar to Lean Pockets, as advertised, ad nauseum, on the teli. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:25:14 -0800 What are Hot Pockets? _ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Yeah, I went to the site Tom mentioned. Never saw a ... Pockets ad on the telly. Leonard Paris wrote: Similar to Lean Pockets, as advertised, ad nauseum, on the teli.
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
Probably not. But he isn't a starving artist and I have to take his word that he is having fun doing what he does. And, isn't it the same with all of us? Don't we all only show what we want people to see? Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wedding photography...ugh! Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:46:41 -0800 LOL What we see of his work is what he wants us to see. Do we know of what his more personal portfolio is like? Leonard Paris wrote: If the best life lies in being able to do something you enjoy, and make a living at it, then I think Monte is doing pretty well. Whether we approve of his approach and style or not. It's just so easy to criticize successful people, when we know we can shoot better than they can. _ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
That's a different career field. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 BTW, I thought the best in life was To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. To hear the lamentation of their women. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com _ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
I must admit you are more ascetic than I. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:56:03 -0800 Yeah, I went to the site Tom mentioned. Never saw a ... Pockets ad on the telly. Leonard Paris wrote: Similar to Lean Pockets, as advertised, ad nauseum, on the teli. _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize
Re[4]: Cokin P Ultrawide
Hello Jostein, I don't disagree with that. But the Pola filter isn't the only filter in the system. Most of the filters don't have a ring on them, they are just straight resin filters. Seems like those can be utilized for wider than 75mm. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 9:37:13 AM, you wrote: J Bruce, J I will bring out the ruler and the holder when I'm done clearing snow from J our front yard, but IIRC, the holder diameter is larger than the pola J filter. J Cheers, J Jostein J - J Pictures at: http://oksne.net J - J - Original Message - J From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] J To: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] J Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:59 PM J Subject: Re[2]: Cokin P Ultrawide Hello Jostein, I have purchased an 82mm adapter ring for Cokin P System (Cokin brand) for J a friend. I think you have to measure the inner diameter of the holder itself as many filters are retangular and just slide into the holder. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 8:51:29 AM, you wrote: J The Cokin P system has a limit at 75mm. The largest adaptor ring is J 77mm, J but if you measure the inner diameter of the pola filter or the B/Y J pola, J it's 75. J The widest lens I have for 35mm is the FA 20mm, which works fine (67mm J front J cap). J Cheers, J Jostein J - J Pictures at: http://oksne.net J - J - Original Message - J From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] J To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] J Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:25 AM J Subject: OT: Cokin P Ultrawide Hi all, I'm sorry this one's another OT; I was hoping I could draw on J the sea of experience on this list. Has anyone used a Cokin P system on a ultrawide zoom (17-35 or 19-35), and if so I was wondering if I could J get some advice and tackling the vignetting problem. I've read some J comments elsewhere about trimming down excess filter slots- has anyone here done J this before? Also, I'm curious as to whether it's possible to use a (screw on) J SinghRay thinline gold/blue polariser together with an nd grad on a Cokin P, J since J I understand the thin g/b doesn't have an outer thread? I haven't used J the Cokin P holder before, and I apologise in advance if all this sounds J overly silly. Thanks, Ryan
50mm Pentax Screwmount
Check this out. Nice photo, nice model, nice lens. A Pentax lens on a Minolta Maxxum 7. What a combo. http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1120700
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
http://www.montezucker.com/portfolio.html There is a link on Monte's site to Joe Zeltsman, which doesn't work, but this one does: http://web.archive.org/web/20020606223814/http://www.zuga.net/freelessons/port rait.shtml#Joe%20Zeltsman Everything you wanted to know about how to take pictures that look like your parent's wedding album. Especially if your parents were married circa 1950. BR From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOL What we see of his work is what he wants us to see. Do we know of what his more personal portfolio is like?
OT(ish): Memories for Life
Hi, as many of you know, CAR Hoare is one of the great computer science pioneers. Today's 'Independent' http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/features/story.jsp?story=478649 reports that he has launched a series of 'Grand Challenges' for computer science to solve. Apart from the intrinsic interest (many of us here are professionally involved with computers), it is of photographic interest because one of the challenges relates to an issue that's been discussed here quite often. Namely, long-term storage and retrieval of digital information like photographs. Some details are here: http://www.nesc.ac.uk/esi/events/Grand_Challenges/proposals/Memories.pdf The main site is here: http://www.nesc.ac.uk/esi/events/Grand_Challenges -- Cheers, Bob
Re: OT(ish): Memories for Life
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Steve Jolly wrote: I was watching Steve Jobs' MacWorld keynote, and Apple seem to be making a start on this kind of thing. iPhoto makes cunning use of EXIF and user-supplied data to allow you to allow you to create smart photo albums based on criteria such as date/time taken, date/time downloaded from camera, identity of camera, subjective quality rating, etc. It offers the same smart album features as iTunes too, whereby you define a set of parameters such as all photos taken between these two dates and then it updates the album whenever you download new photos. Anyway, they have some nice ideas - shame it'll never be available for affordable computers, really... :-P IMatch does a lot of this stuff and runs nicely on Windows. It is pretty affordable too. alex
RE: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Aren't the mormons the ones that engage in legal polygamy? jco J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. Hi, I've been to Mormon weddings and inside Mormon temples, and I'm an atheist. -- Cheers, Bob Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 7:53:12 PM, you wrote: Hey, around these parts (Utah) there are no photogs allowed in the LDS (Mormon) Temples. So all the pics the couple gets are portraits outside the Temples with temple as backdrop, and pictures at the receptions. Oh, and non-Mormons are not allowed inside the temples at any time, so as is sometimes the case with converts, one half of the family is not allowed to even GO to the wedding ceremony! Not being Mormon myself, I refuse to call Mormon Weddings Weddings I refer only to them as receptions because that's the only part I'm ever invited to. Jeff Jonsson
Re: Francesco Scavullo passes on..
Ryan Lee wrote: Just heard on NBC Morning- Francesco Scavullo passes away. Some links (can't find the specific news yet) http://www.scavullo.com/ http://www.worksonpaper.biz/BioText.asp?Name=Francesco+Scavullo Ryan . . .of a heart attack. While preparing for a new assignment. He was 82. keith whaley
RE: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Wow, must not be in Utah. Around here they literally check your Temple Recommend card at the door. You can only get one of those from your local ward bishop. I've been inside a Mormon temple too, right after they build them, they do publc open houses. Then they dedicate them, and forevermore bar non-members and even non temple-worthy members. I'm only talking about Temple Weddings. Once in a rare while, they will do a wedding in a Ward house (chapel) with the local bishop presiding. Mainly when one of the parties to the wedding isn't temple worthy. Case in point, my brother (athiest) married a Mormon and they had a short but sweet marriage in a Ward house. Jeff Jonsson -Original Message- From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. Hi, I've been to Mormon weddings and inside Mormon temples, and I'm an atheist. -- Cheers, Bob Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 7:53:12 PM, you wrote: Hey, around these parts (Utah) there are no photogs allowed in the LDS (Mormon) Temples. So all the pics the couple gets are portraits outside the Temples with temple as backdrop, and pictures at the receptions. Oh, and non-Mormons are not allowed inside the temples at any time, so as is sometimes the case with converts, one half of the family is not allowed to even GO to the wedding ceremony! Not being Mormon myself, I refuse to call Mormon Weddings Weddings I refer only to them as receptions because that's the only part I'm ever invited to. Jeff Jonsson
Re: Francesco Scavullo passes on..
Just heard on NBC Morning- Francesco Scavullo passes away. Some links (can't find the specific news yet) http://www.scavullo.com/ http://www.worksonpaper.biz/BioText.asp?Name=Francesco+Scavullo Ryan His black and white stuff is impressive. I wish I could see real prints as offset printing doesn't do justice to his mastery. His fashion color work does not attract me though; just not my cup of tea. Andre
Re[4]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Hello Jeff, Gee, since I shoot quite of few of them, I term them both. The wedding is at the temple and the reception is somewhere else. In fact, I am shooting one tomorrow at the Oakland Temple. In this case, the wedding is tomorrow, but the reception is next week. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 11:53:12 AM, you wrote: JJ Hey, around these parts (Utah) there are no photogs allowed in the LDS JJ (Mormon) Temples. So all the pics the couple gets are portraits outside JJ the Temples with temple as backdrop, and pictures at the receptions. Oh, JJ and non-Mormons are not allowed inside the temples at any time, so as is JJ sometimes the case with converts, one half of the family is not allowed JJ to even GO to the wedding ceremony! Not being Mormon myself, I refuse to JJ call Mormon Weddings Weddings I refer only to them as receptions JJ because that's the only part I'm ever invited to. JJ Jeff Jonsson JJ -Original Message- JJ From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JJ Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:31 PM JJ To: pentax list JJ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... JJ with a thump. JJ On 6/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Why is it the Catholics, who have been around for a couple of thousand years, will allow me to shoot from the alter, as long as I don't make a spectacle, but some wannabe cult that was born last week makes my life miserable? Go figure. I don't get it. JJ LOL. Been there. Actually any function with jobsworths around. Perhaps JJ you should adopt the PJ style, Bill: you nod and agree with everything JJ they say, and then when the thing kicks off just do your own thing - I JJ do :-) JJ The only time I back off is when there are very nice men with earpieces JJ and lumps in their coats. Otherwise, go for it. I've had every kind of JJ jobsworth there is - seen it all. My only words to them are don't JJ worry, I'll be discreet. JJ Of course, depends how you define discreet though JJ Take your points though. JJ Cheers, JJ Cotty JJ ___/\__ JJ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche JJ ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps JJ _ JJ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
When my wife left me she took the baby pictures of me my mother had given her. Women never toss such things, they keep them as trophies. -- J. C. O'Connell wrote: Something just occurred to me. With today's extremely high divorce rate, does most of the photographer's work end up in a dumpster sooner or later? Kind of a shame huh? JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wedding photography...ugh! Not to mention you get exactly the same thing from all the guys and gals who have taken his seminars. When you hire Monte Zucker, what you get is Monte Zucker himself, or one of his employees. Not some kind of special available nowhere else photography. He has just carried name brand recognision to the maximum level in wedding photography. And , BTW, most brides only have one big wedding, even if they get married several times in their life. That alblum is oridginal to her, never mind that every other bride has one just like it. She ain't like us photogs who look at thousands of photos an start seeing the similarities. Furthermore, you have to produce photos that she likes, not ones that you like. That is what being a pro is all about. -- Mark Roberts wrote: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
No, they are not. There is no legal polygamy and those who practice polygamy are not Mormons. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 12:14:59 PM, you wrote: JCOC Aren't the mormons the ones that engage in legal polygamy? JCOC jco JCOC JCOCJ.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com JCOC JCOC -Original Message- JCOC From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JCOC Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:08 PM JCOC To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCOC Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a JCOC thump. JCOC Hi, JCOC I've been to Mormon weddings and inside Mormon temples, and I'm an JCOC atheist. JCOC -- JCOC Cheers, JCOC Bob JCOC Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 7:53:12 PM, you wrote: Hey, around these parts (Utah) there are no photogs allowed in the LDS (Mormon) Temples. So all the pics the couple gets are portraits outside the Temples with temple as backdrop, and pictures at the receptions. Oh, and non-Mormons are not allowed inside the temples at any time, so as is sometimes the case with converts, one half of the family is not allowed to even GO to the wedding ceremony! Not being Mormon myself, I refuse to call Mormon Weddings Weddings I refer only to them as receptions because that's the only part I'm ever invited to. Jeff Jonsson
Re: OT:Stroboframe question
Changing cameras (or from the tripod socket on the camera to the tripod mount on a big lens) is a bit fiddly, so a quick-release is worth looking at. Downtown Camera on Queen Street in Toronto is where I got mine, and they had it in stock, so I could look it over before buying. Hope this is helpful. Pat White Thanks Pat. I was thinking of them but nothing on the website.Next time i'm down there,soon i hope,i'll stop in. Dave
Getting way OT, Was: RE: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
The official LDS church based in Salt Lake City does not practice or condone Polygamy. Those who practice it are excommunicated from the LDS Church. However those who practice it do believe in the prophecy of Joseph Smith, and use The Book of Mormon as their holy text. So I guess you could call them fundamentalist Mormons. And no, Polygamy is not legal even in Utah. Believe it or not, with the official Church's blessing the State of Utah is trying to crack down on Polygamists. In fact, a Polygamy summit was held by a bunch of county and state attorney's this summer to formulate a plan to go after them. A big famous Polygamist, Tom Green, was just sent to prison on a sex with a minor conviction for sleeping with and impregnating his 14 year old umpteenth wife. What pisses me off is that his legal team is now appealing on the grounds of the Supreme Court's ruling on the Texas Sodomy case. I'm sorry, but having sex with minors doesn't come under that ruling to my way of thinking. One of the major major problems with Polygamists, is that they are a huge drain on the welfare system. Because they don't allow the wives to work outside the home, and can never hope to support their gigantic families on one Man's salary, they take gobs and gobs of welfare handouts to support their illegal lifestyle. I hope the State does come down on them and come down hard. Jeff Jonsson -Original Message- From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. Aren't the mormons the ones that engage in legal polygamy? jco J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. Hi, I've been to Mormon weddings and inside Mormon temples, and I'm an atheist. -- Cheers, Bob Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 7:53:12 PM, you wrote: Hey, around these parts (Utah) there are no photogs allowed in the LDS (Mormon) Temples. So all the pics the couple gets are portraits outside the Temples with temple as backdrop, and pictures at the receptions. Oh, and non-Mormons are not allowed inside the temples at any time, so as is sometimes the case with converts, one half of the family is not allowed to even GO to the wedding ceremony! Not being Mormon myself, I refuse to call Mormon Weddings Weddings I refer only to them as receptions because that's the only part I'm ever invited to. Jeff Jonsson
Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Yes it does. Did I ever tell about looking in the door of a Buddhist Church (temple if you can call a prefab metal building a temple) in Florida. Some of them came out an ran me off. And that was in the days when I was Buddhist myself. Various sects always have their own ways, you can not generalize. -- Jostein wrote: Oh, give'em a couple of centuries. They'll thaw up. Buddhism looks better...:-) Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: Jeff Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. Hey, around these parts (Utah) there are no photogs allowed in the LDS (Mormon) Temples. So all the pics the couple gets are portraits outside the Temples with temple as backdrop, and pictures at the receptions. Oh, and non-Mormons are not allowed inside the temples at any time, so as is sometimes the case with converts, one half of the family is not allowed to even GO to the wedding ceremony! Not being Mormon myself, I refuse to call Mormon Weddings Weddings I refer only to them as receptions because that's the only part I'm ever invited to. Jeff Jonsson -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:31 PM To: pentax list Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. On 6/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Why is it the Catholics, who have been around for a couple of thousand years, will allow me to shoot from the alter, as long as I don't make a spectacle, but some wannabe cult that was born last week makes my life miserable? Go figure. I don't get it. LOL. Been there. Actually any function with jobsworths around. Perhaps you should adopt the PJ style, Bill: you nod and agree with everything they say, and then when the thing kicks off just do your own thing - I do :-) The only time I back off is when there are very nice men with earpieces and lumps in their coats. Otherwise, go for it. I've had every kind of jobsworth there is - seen it all. My only words to them are don't worry, I'll be discreet. Of course, depends how you define discreet though Take your points though. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
On 7/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Houses for sale? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
RE: wedding photography...ugh!
-Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 7/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Houses for sale? School photos. tv
Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Hi, Wow, must not be in Utah. France and England. When I was 14 I went with a school friend to stay with our pen-friends in Reims. We were looking forward to 2 weeks of binge-drinking and chasing French girls. Turned out our pen-friends' family was Mormon. We were very disappointed. They dragged us along to the temple on Sundays and we took communion. We were quite excited at first, but they turned the wine into water. Even then I was an atheist. Luckily they were not too strict on other dietary matters. They had bought a teapot and some tea especially for us. They brewed up and served it to us at 5 o'clock precisely every day, and watched while we drank it. Later one of my friends - not a Mormon - married into a Mormon family. The wedding took place in the temple in Leeds, UK. As far as I know, nobody was excluded for not being a Mormon. Certainly all her family and friends were there. The reception was in a different place. Very strange, a wedding reception with no booze. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: 50mm Pentax Screwmount
On 7/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Check this out. Nice photo, nice model, nice lens. A Pentax lens on a Minolta Maxxum 7. What a combo. http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1120700 counting the seconds to Cotty's reply.. :-) Ryan Well, nice bird but I have to agree with Shel. Wrong focal length for a head shot. Not very flattering. Needs an 85 mil at least for this gorgeous lady... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: The Toughest Pentax
On 7/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I seem to remember a dog-bone link suspension bridge on one of the entrance roads to Anglesey. Does my memory fail me? Might that been a different town in North Wales? There's two bridges now. The newer Britannia Bridge and the much older Menai Bridge. You remember correctly Keith... http://www.anglesey-history.co.uk/places/bridges/ Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
AF 330 FTZ Flash.
G'day All. Is it possible to get a new hotshoe foot for this flash AF 330 FTZ.? I seem to recall that Tanya said that she had spare units for one of her flashes, But I didn't catch which model. UmmmTanya, Where did you get them from? What model flash was it? I also took delivery of the MZ-7 today. I fitted a Fg battery pack to it and fitted the new Tokina 35-300 lens to it. Makes for a bloody heavy outfit. I intend to hose off a roll tomorrow and see what it's like. I have a full moon tomorrow night so the 2X will go on the 35-300 and see how it and the MZ-7 handle moon shots. Also, the MZ-7 appears to work with the appeture ring set to positions other than A. I was playing with it and the f number shows in the veiwfinder when the ring is moved. this didn't happen with the MZ-50. Does this mean that I can use lenses without the A? Thanks. Hooroo. Regards, Trevor Grafton OZ Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - Henry Louis Mencken
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Houses for sale? School photos. bare-bottomed ladies
RE: wedding photography...ugh!
Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Babies. And cats. :)
RE: 50mm Pentax Screwmount
For a head shot that tight, I would use at least a 105mm lens. JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:54 PM To: pentax list Subject: Re: 50mm Pentax Screwmount On 7/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Check this out. Nice photo, nice model, nice lens. A Pentax lens on a Minolta Maxxum 7. What a combo. http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1120700 counting the seconds to Cotty's reply.. :-) Ryan Well, nice bird but I have to agree with Shel. Wrong focal length for a head shot. Not very flattering. Needs an 85 mil at least for this gorgeous lady... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Houses for sale? School photos. bare-bottomed ladies I think this last suggestion comes closest! ...but considering how many photos are taken of *each* wedding, I still expect weddings win for total number of photos. Not that I'm interested in doing the research to find out for certain! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: 50mm Pentax Screwmount
Well I have some problems with it too. Focus seems to be on the cheek well forward of the eyes. It is a square picture, is it heavily cropped or did he lie about the format? However, I have no problem with the focal length, most 35mm shooters use is too long a lens for portraits anyway. I will admitt it is about as short as I would go though. -- Shel Belinkoff wrote: Poor photo too close with the 50mm lens, a little too much distortion in the woman's face. Reasonably good tonality on my monitor, but it looks as though the highlight, the brighter area, on her nose could be brought down a bit. Robert Leigh Woerner wrote: Check this out. Nice photo, nice model, nice lens. A Pentax lens on a Minolta Maxxum 7. What a combo. http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1120700 -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: wedding photography...ugh!
Mark, I TOTALLY agree - cheese, cheese, cheesy... That's all I can say about them... tan. - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:31 PM Subject: Re: wedding photography...ugh! Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: JanEweAviary Pug Comments (all photos, long post)
Lon, I understand fully about the cropping. I did not crop. I guess I was using the shot as I was able to take it, it reminds me of where I was. My only vantage point from the front porch. He left very shortly after taking a couple of shots. I really was not able to get close. If I were to submit it somewhere I would definitely crop. Though on the monitor it looks so much better than in the PUG... I too like it better cropped. I really do need to spend the time. Or make the time :-) Thanks for all your comments and time, César Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland -- -Original Message- -- From: Lon Williamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:00 AM -- -- I notice that Frank has decided to comment on all PUG entries -- for January, so I'm gonna do it, too. Not critique, but comment. -- snip -- -- Looking by César A. Matamoros II -- This begs for tighter cropping to me. I don't think the cable and -- associated hardware help the shot at all. There is so much of it -- present that I find my eye flicking between it and the squirrel -- constantly. --
RE: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Herb, You may surprise yourself. I have done my share of weddings for friends. Only stiffed once ... but that is another tale. I must say that I was humbled when I agreed to shoot a friend's wedding. She eventually got engaged and the wedding was to be in New Hampshire. She still wanted me to do the wedding - they would pay whatever it would take! Talk about surprised. I live in Florida. We still keep in touch - she still talks of the photos I took. Same thing with another friend that flew me to Augusta, Georgia when I told her that I really did not look forward to all that driving... Another couple, whose wedding I shot, I happened to visit while in San Antonio, Texas. I was gobsmacked when I entered their living room and saw a 'bridal' portrait I had taken under a tree in a poster-sized enlargement above their mantle. Likewise the latest friend's wedding I did - only the informals. She has told me that the bw of them coming down the aisle - shot from the balcony - will be prominently displayed in their new home. I can readily pick apart an image I have taken, and I think we all can, I am still learning to appreciate my shots more though. I believe I mentioned on this list that as an added thank you for shooting the informals at the above mentioned wedding, Jen decided to have an image I took with my 645n in New Orleans enlarged, matted, and framed by her to present to me. I still look at it on occasion and have to remind myself that I took it... César Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland -- -Original Message- -- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:19 PM -- -- that was the reasoning behind why a friend of mine asked me -- to be backup -- photographer for her wedding, although i feel i am a rotten people -- photographer. her uncle, who used to do weddings part time, -- was who did the -- most important photos. she reasoned that having someone who -- knew something -- about composition and photography to catch informal slightly -- more than -- snapshots was important and that was what i did. she wasn't -- expecting shots -- to display like paintings on a wall, she wanted decent shots -- that would -- bring back memories. my brother asked me to take some photos -- at his wedding -- too, for much the same reasons. he paid for a good pro -- photographer for the -- formal shots and the wedding ceremony. of course, my mother -- could only -- imagine posed formal shots as the only kind that ought to be -- taken. luckily, -- she had no say in the matter. i still think i am a rotten wedding -- photographer and i am not going to let any of you offer a -- second opinion. -- -- Herb... -- - Original Message - -- From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:12 PM -- Subject: RE: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. -- -- -- The only thing it proves is that a lot of people are -- shopping more for -- best price than for best quality. It's always that way. -- You're going -- to have to get used to that. Shoot what you can and let -- your reputation -- grow. There is no substitute for word of mouth -- advertising. You will -- begin to get the couples that really want your style of -- shooting and -- will not mind paying fairly for it. Meanwhile, there will -- always be -- friends and relatives with cameras that are willing to do -- the job free -- or very cheap. Sometimes they have talent and ability, -- many times they -- don't. Let your portfolio and your website speak for you. -- --
Vs: 50mm Pentax Screwmount
Nah, 50 mm at close up gives intimacy. Nice sharpness and tonality. Good expression. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 07. tammikuuta 2004 22:54 Aihe: Re: 50mm Pentax Screwmount On 7/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Check this out. Nice photo, nice model, nice lens. A Pentax lens on a Minolta Maxxum 7. What a combo. http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1120700 counting the seconds to Cotty's reply.. :-) Ryan Well, nice bird but I have to agree with Shel. Wrong focal length for a head shot. Not very flattering. Needs an 85 mil at least for this gorgeous lady... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
RE: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.
Judging by what you've said, and I don't want to pee in your cornflakes here, but I'd say you went to the Ward, not a temple. They don't have sacrament meetings in Temples. Only Ward houses. Also your non-mormon friend marrying a Mormon would not have been married in the temple. (Temples weddings are actually 'sealings' where the couple is sealed together in this world, and the next, through a vaguely Masonic ritual, wholly unlike any wedding you've ever seen.) Weddings in Ward houses have almost no more significance to Mormons than a Civil marriage. Ask my brother. Temple weddings are what all of the faithful aspire to. Jeff Jonsson -Original Message- From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump. Hi, Wow, must not be in Utah. France and England. When I was 14 I went with a school friend to stay with our pen-friends in Reims. We were looking forward to 2 weeks of binge-drinking and chasing French girls. Turned out our pen-friends' family was Mormon. We were very disappointed. They dragged us along to the temple on Sundays and we took communion. We were quite excited at first, but they turned the wine into water. Even then I was an atheist. Luckily they were not too strict on other dietary matters. They had bought a teapot and some tea especially for us. They brewed up and served it to us at 5 o'clock precisely every day, and watched while we drank it. Later one of my friends - not a Mormon - married into a Mormon family. The wedding took place in the temple in Leeds, UK. As far as I know, nobody was excluded for not being a Mormon. Certainly all her family and friends were there. The reception was in a different place. Very strange, a wedding reception with no booze. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: The Toughest Pentax
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I seem to remember a dog-bone link suspension bridge on one of the entrance roads to Anglesey. Does my memory fail me? Might that been a different town in North Wales? There's two bridges now. The newer Britannia Bridge and the much older Menai Bridge. You remember correctly Keith... http://www.anglesey-history.co.uk/places/bridges/ I think the one Kieth's referring to is the Menai bridge. BTW: When you visit Anglesey, don't pass up the chance to visit Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwantysiliogogogoch! (Let's see what the spell checker makes of THAT!) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
