Re: PESO - A bug in the field - Take II
I like this one better. The first one, the dew really looked over the top to me - not much like dew. This one seems more natural. I'm not sure if the square crop matters much, but overall, this is very nice. -- Bruce Monday, April 3, 2006, 5:46:39 PM, you wrote: KW Check out KW http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html KW Slightly different composition, but same bug. KW Does Square make a difference? KW Comments solicited KW Good/Bad/Indifferent KW What can you suggest/what would you have done differently? KW Thanks in advance KW Kenneth Waller
Re: IR Photo using calculations
Hello David, There doesn't seem to be as much separation between the trees and sky as I would like. Gives it a odd feel for me. One of these days, I'm going to have to take a stab at this IR stuff - seems to be very tricky to work with. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, April 3, 2006, 5:55:05 PM, you wrote: DJB http://web.mac.com/barnyardcam/iWeb/Site/Photos.html DJB It looks pretty rough, almost film like. DJB Comments.?? DJB istD 16-45 at 1/60 F4 and i thinnk iso 1600 DJB Dave DJB Equine Photography in York Region
Re: PESO - By the Tyne
The colours and the technical aspects are just wonderful. Cheers, Gautam On 4/3/06, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Mike Wilson has already mentioned, we spent Saturday evening strolling along the river Tyne. Here's one shot from the session, with the blue arc of the Millenium Bridge in the background. http://www.oksne.net/paw/20060403-0139.html All comments appreciated. Jostein
Re: PESO - A bug in the field - Take II
Bruce Dayton wrote: I like this one better. The first one, the dew really looked over the top to me - not much like dew. This one seems more natural. I'm not sure if the square crop matters much, but overall, this is very nice. There's something not quite right about this picture (and the previous one). Was the dragon-fly dead? That so much dew should accumulate on a flying insect seems strange. Maybe it was very cold -- a degree or two above zero perhaps? Don -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616
Re: [OT] Mamiya ZD presentation
Thanks a lot! Dario - Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Papug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: [OT] Mamiya ZD presentation Today, thanks to the biggest Polish photo portal I had an opportunity to be on official Polish presentation of Mamiya ZD - for these who are not aware - 22 megapixel medium format DSLR ;-) The camera appeared to be a very interesting tool for professional photographers (with its price around 1 Euros it won't rather find place among amateurs ;-) The body had some nice features like dual card slots (CF and SD), had good ergonomics, felt very nice in hand especially that it is around size and weight of Pentax 645 - this means around size and weigth of hi-end 35 mm bodies. Just LCD was far too small for today's standards - only 1.8. With camera there was presented Mac software for it, enabling tethered shooting (taking photographs and sending them directly to computer) among other interesting features. ZD 120/4 macro lens was mounted on ZD, and while it was top performing glass 9See samples below), I was less than impressed by its build quality - one class lower than Pentax FA645 120/4 macro. During presentation visitors had an opportunity to try the camera themselves. You could take either macro photos of car model or do some portraits of model. Fortunately I had my SD card with me so I gave ZD a try taking shots of beautiful model. Photos were saved as RAWs (MEF format - each file around 35 MB), then converted to .DNG and slightly edited in Lightroom to be finally exported as high quality JPEGs. If you are interested in how good can look photos from 22 MPix MF DSLR you can download them from my page. I put two samples with low-res previews as target linked photos are ~4 MB each compressed (61 MB after decompression) so it is better to save them to your local disk and open in your favourite photo editing application. Colour space of target photos is Adobe RGB. Here they are: http://nasdwoje.e9.pl/pictures/MamiyaZD.html Of cource for hardcore lovers - I can send RAWs straigth from the camera ;-) Now let's wait for presentation and samples from Pentax 645D. I bet it can be even more impressive machine than ZD ;-) Cheers, Sylwek
Re: Would you recommend Pentax?
From: Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.- Is there any bridge digicam worth considering for someone who likes photography but maybe have enough with a performer 'ultra-zoom'? If so, which one? http://www.tynebridgewebcam.com/webcams.htm 8-) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: copyrights
On 3/4/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: It would hinge on whether that someone had paid a premium for theT-Shirt because of the picture. If they had, the seller might have a problem. It boils down to your right to likenesses of yourself, and someone elses lack of right to make money from it without permission. That sums it up pretty much. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Re: PESO - A bug in the field - Take II
From: Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/04/04 Tue AM 06:31:54 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - A bug in the field - Take II Bruce Dayton wrote: I like this one better. The first one, the dew really looked over the top to me - not much like dew. This one seems more natural. I'm not sure if the square crop matters much, but overall, this is very nice. There's something not quite right about this picture (and the previous one). Was the dragon-fly dead? That so much dew should accumulate on a flying insect seems strange. Maybe it was very cold -- a degree or two above zero perhaps? It's quite common at the right time of day. They will remain stationary until warmed enough by the sun. On cool days, they will only fly when the sun is shining on them. When you're a predator _and_ cold blooded, energy management becomes a priority. Dragonflies must be doing something right - they make dinosaurs look like mewling infants. m - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Ar
From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/04/04 Tue AM 04:45:05 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red) Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. I restrained myself this time, Tim, although I think I did some serious internal damage. 8-)) On Apr 3, 2006, at 8:26 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: I had another look at the remake I submitted yesterday. And, now I am embarrassed by my lack of judgement. It is not total crap, but it sure is very muddy looking. Ok, it is crappy. I did ruin it. Just consider it a sketch that left office by accident. When doing the sandwich my mind was in single track mode. I was obsessed by getting the puzzle bits together, so I kind of forgot to look at general picture. Besides being muddy, it also had a big dust spot. I saw that, but simply forgot to do something about it. Not an unforgivable sin, but I'm not proud of that either. The worst thing is that I can't claim to have been drinking and photoshopping. Go on, laugh and make jokes on my expense, but if you do, you also have to give me a warm we all do mistakes hug. (I really don't expect any of those hugs, I know you are evil people and will do whatever you can to rub it in ;-)) When you are done, I will have another go at the motif, waiting for the right moment, trying to get it right in camera (if the bird is still there). Tim, the Muddy Norwegian. -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3. april 2006 02:11 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red I have done a makeover on the Aristocrat in red picture. http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=228580 This is a sandwich of three different exposures, all from the same standpoint, and from the same session. The result is a new head ;-) and a improved(?) composition. This is the first time my hands have become dirty from working in PS. So I would really appreciate some comments on the result. Whatdoyuahthink? What about the photoshoping, anything I could have done better or different? Does it look real? And is it an improvement? Or could I have saved me the trouble? (The original is at a thumb below the picture for reference.) A lot of questions, but isn't that what life is, questions? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: OT - PESO: Cine Novelty
Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I try to open this picture/website, it launches some Microsoft product like email and starts trying to install it. I cancel out of it, but don't appreciate the attempt. Is this site infected? Strange indeed. Never noticed anything of that kind. Then again, there's nothing from Micro$oft installed that could be launched, over here. Which browser are you using? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
RE: PESO - A bug in the field - Take II
I like this format better as the uninteresting bottom part of the previous composition disappeared. With more attention on the strange form of the flower in the background this picture is even more fascinating. Henk -Original Message- From: Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April, 2006 2:47 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO - A bug in the field - Take II Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Slightly different composition, but same bug. Does Square make a difference? Comments solicited Good/Bad/Indifferent What can you suggest/what would you have done differently? Thanks in advance Kenneth Waller
Re: Would you recommend Pentax?
Jaume Lahuerta wrote: In the DSLR area, I of course let him use my Ds but I have trouble recommending it for him hands down. Why? He doesn't own legacy lenses as I did, so he can choose with 'more freedom'. The D50 is really cheap here, in Spain, even cheaper than the DL, and available almost anywhere. On the other hand, there is the 350D, a little more expensive, but with 2 more Mpix, and presumably better AF performance, and great high ISO, and full frame path,... Jaume, I wouldn't recommend the D50 or Canon 350D to anyone. Why? the D50 is not a bad camera, but it has an abismal viewfinder, and the same thing can be said about the 350D. In both cases, build quality is substandard for the price those cameras command. A DL or even a DS is more substantial than any of those cameras, and even with AF lenses, a good viewfinder is essential, at least in my view. If your friend had a bigger budget, and he leaned towards a Canon 20D or 30D, things would be very different, as Pentax has no DSLRs in the mid-range market now. Anyway, I wouldn't buy one of those too, but that's my personal bias against Canon cameras and lenses. To sum up, if your friend doesn't want to spend too much, a DL or DS is a very good choice. If he has a bigger budget, a Nikon D200 would be a good camera, although perhaps a bit too much for a beginner, or, if he has the money and is really a patient person, wait for the future 10 MP Pentax ;-) that (hopefullY) will surface in autumn. Carlos
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red) On 4/4/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You kinky Norwegian you. VBG Dave S -- All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy. - Spike Milligan
1:1 comparison Schneider - Pentax
Hi all, is there any direct comparison of Samsungs lenses with Schneider label and the matchin Pentax original? I wonder whether they are identical (apart from the labels). Does SMC apply to both? Is there any other difference? Thanks, Martin
Re: copyrights
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:33:30 +0100, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: copyrights I guess that's why the courts exist... to redraw the legal line with each and every case. :-) They exist because we allow lawyers to become politicians. While it's a rather blatant conflict of interest, we look the other way on some integrity issues, but not others. How true! John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: What would be a good name for the new body?
On 2006-04-01 07:10, Mark Roberts wrote: John Forbes wrote: I go with the DX suggestion. Logical, sensible, sounds good. So will Pentax use it?.. Nikon has registered DX as a trademark for their APS-C-sized series of lenses and digital cameras. In fact, they generally refer to reduced-frame digital as DX format rather than APS-C. what's the name of the DX encoding on film cartridges? It meant 'Data EXchange'. Introduced 1983 by Kodak, extended 1996 for APS as DX-iX I feel that 'DX' would have a double bonus, first as the professional series LX etc., second naming the Roman 'X' as ten for the 10 MP sensor (as in MacOSX). A DX trademark for Nikon cameras will be a killer. DiX sounds like Digital Imaging / Dimage. Maybe they stick to *ist - *istDX
Re: What would be a good name for the new body?
On 2006-03-31 15:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Didn't we do this about a month ago??) Yes: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:45:11 +0100 Subject: what's the name of the new Pentax 10MP camera?
RE: PESO - By the Tyne
Jostein wrote: http://www.oksne.net/paw/20060403-0139.html Beautiful. Malcolm
Re: OT - PESO: Cine Novelty
Nice shot. Well composed. I had no trouble viewing it. No attempts to load any files. not even a popup. Paul On Apr 3, 2006, at 10:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Ralf, Every time I try to open this picture/website, it launches some Microsoft product like email and starts trying to install it. I cancel out of it, but don't appreciate the attempt. Is this site infected? Regards, Bob S. On 4/3/06, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The old cinema at Ensival... http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1360317 ...has since been demolished. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
Re: Would you recommend Pentax?
If they're young and ambitious, they probably will change brands at least a couple of times in their career anyway...:-) I would recommend Pentax. Not because it's best, but because it's good enough. If Jaume's friend likes the interface of the camera he/she borrowed from Jaume, then go for it. Pentax is a lightweight brand. Sadly, not only in the literal sense of the word, but having less bulk is a Good Thing. Jostein Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3/4/06, Jaume Lahuerta, discombobulated, unleashed: 1.- Is there any bridge digicam worth considering for someone who likes photography but maybe have enough with a performer 'ultra-zoom'? If so, which one? Wouldn't have a clue on that one old boy. 2.- Would you recommend Pentax over C or N DSLRs, even for someone without previous film equipment? Why? Yes of course. I always recommend the Pentax DSLRs to anyone interested in moving up to single lens reflex in digital photography. Inevitably they are almost always hobbyists or well-heeled snapshooters. If they are young and ambitious with a likelihood of a photographic career, I recommend a 350D. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: Would you recommend Pentax?
Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I always recommend the Pentax DSLRs to anyone interested in moving up to single lens reflex in digital photography. Inevitably they are almost always hobbyists or well-heeled snapshooters. If they are young and ambitious with a likelihood of a photographic career, I recommend a 350D. hehe... Coming from the creator of the Pentax-EOS Frankencam, I'd say that's a protectionist statement. Don't let the newbies in on the secret of the outstanding Pentax optics. Let them compete head to head with the rest of the numb majority...:-) Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Doug Brewer wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes...
Re: What would be a good name for the new body?
Martin Trautmann wrote: A DX trademark for Nikon cameras will be a killer. DiX sounds like Digital Imaging / Dimage. Maybe they stick to *ist - *istDX There will NOT be any ist in the name of the new camera.
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Tim's gaffe was damaging, but Doug's retort rectum. On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes...
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... Dr Freud would have loved this. I just had to butt in! As Roman Polanski might have said. Argh! -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Op Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:25:57 +0200 schreef Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tim's gaffe was damaging, Ass bad ass it gets... but Doug's retort rectum. On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... -- Regards, Lucas
RE: OT - PESO: Cine Novelty
Hi Ralf A nice shot, I agree. I had as well no problems watching the photo. grretings Markus -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:59 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - PESO: Cine Novelty Nice shot. Well composed. I had no trouble viewing it. No attempts to load any files. not even a popup. Paul On Apr 3, 2006, at 10:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Ralf, Every time I try to open this picture/website, it launches some Microsoft product like email and starts trying to install it. I cancel out of it, but don't appreciate the attempt. Is this site infected? Regards, Bob S. On 4/3/06, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The old cinema at Ensival... http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1360317 ...has since been demolished. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
Re: IR Photo using calculations
Thanks for the comment Bruce. It was a bit under exposed but i brought it up in Raw. I tried channel mixer and a few others, but the whites just looked to blown out even for IR.:-) I remember reading about Calculations in Scotts book, and thought id see what it produced. It is tricky, for me, but others seem to have a handle on it. Wonder if they will share.g Dave Quoting Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello David, There doesn't seem to be as much separation between the trees and sky as I would like. Gives it a odd feel for me. One of these days, I'm going to have to take a stab at this IR stuff - seems to be very tricky to work with. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, April 3, 2006, 5:55:05 PM, you wrote: DJB http://web.mac.com/barnyardcam/iWeb/Site/Photos.html DJB It looks pretty rough, almost film like. DJB Comments.?? DJB istD 16-45 at 1/60 F4 and i thinnk iso 1600 DJB Dave DJB Equine Photography in York Region Equine Photography in York Region
Re: IR Photo using calculations
Thanks for commenting Paul. Sunday was a cloudless day around here. The sky could have used some big fluffies i suppose. Coulda cloned some in if i was thinking.gI was mainly trying to get a PS adjustment that was ir looking but not blown out. I think i need to do more net research.g Dave Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Interesting effect. Good exposure. I wonder if the sky might have been more interesting than the water? Paul On Apr 3, 2006, at 8:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote: http://web.mac.com/barnyardcam/iWeb/Site/Photos.html It looks pretty rough, almost film like. Comments.?? istD 16-45 at 1/60 F4 and i thinnk iso 1600 Dave Equine Photography in York Region Equine Photography in York Region
RE: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 128 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Not change # in headline. This is as ugly, ass can be. This list _is_ the dark side ;-) Seriously. Isn't it real English to use anals as short for analects? My spellchecker says no, but it is very limited. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4. april 2006 02:26 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red) I had another look at the remake I submitted yesterday. And, now I am embarrassed by my lack of judgement. It is not total crap, but it sure is very muddy looking. Ok, it is crappy. I did ruin it. Just consider it a sketch that left office by accident. When doing the sandwich my mind was in single track mode. I was obsessed by getting the puzzle bits together, so I kind of forgot to look at general picture. Besides being muddy, it also had a big dust spot. I saw that, but simply forgot to do something about it. Not an unforgivable sin, but I'm not proud of that either. The worst thing is that I can't claim to have been drinking and photoshopping. Go on, laugh and make jokes on my expense, but if you do, you also have to give me a warm we all do mistakes hug. (I really don't expect any of those hugs, I know you are evil people and will do whatever you can to rub it in ;-)) When you are done, I will have another go at the motif, waiting for the right moment, trying to get it right in camera (if the bird is still there). Tim, the Muddy Norwegian. -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3. april 2006 02:11 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red I have done a makeover on the Aristocrat in red picture. http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=228580 This is a sandwich of three different exposures, all from the same standpoint, and from the same session. The result is a new head ;-) and a improved(?) composition. This is the first time my hands have become dirty from working in PS. So I would really appreciate some comments on the result. Whatdoyuahthink? What about the photoshoping, anything I could have done better or different? Does it look real? And is it an improvement? Or could I have saved me the trouble? (The original is at a thumb below the picture for reference.) A lot of questions, but isn't that what life is, questions? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 128 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Tim, I think you meant annals, anals is something else entirely. -Adam Tim Øsleby wrote: Not change # in headline. This is as ugly, ass can be. This list _is_ the dark side ;-) Seriously. Isn't it real English to use anals as short for analects? My spellchecker says no, but it is very limited. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4. april 2006 02:26 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red) I had another look at the remake I submitted yesterday. And, now I am embarrassed by my lack of judgement. It is not total crap, but it sure is very muddy looking. Ok, it is crappy. I did ruin it. Just consider it a sketch that left office by accident. When doing the sandwich my mind was in single track mode. I was obsessed by getting the puzzle bits together, so I kind of forgot to look at general picture. Besides being muddy, it also had a big dust spot. I saw that, but simply forgot to do something about it. Not an unforgivable sin, but I'm not proud of that either. The worst thing is that I can't claim to have been drinking and photoshopping. Go on, laugh and make jokes on my expense, but if you do, you also have to give me a warm we all do mistakes hug. (I really don't expect any of those hugs, I know you are evil people and will do whatever you can to rub it in ;-)) When you are done, I will have another go at the motif, waiting for the right moment, trying to get it right in camera (if the bird is still there). Tim, the Muddy Norwegian. -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3. april 2006 02:11 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red I have done a makeover on the Aristocrat in red picture. http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=228580 This is a sandwich of three different exposures, all from the same standpoint, and from the same session. The result is a new head ;-) and a improved(?) composition. This is the first time my hands have become dirty from working in PS. So I would really appreciate some comments on the result. Whatdoyuahthink? What about the photoshoping, anything I could have done better or different? Does it look real? And is it an improvement? Or could I have saved me the trouble? (The original is at a thumb below the picture for reference.) A lot of questions, but isn't that what life is, questions? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
Re: copyrights
On Apr 3, 2006, at 5:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Don't even think of doing it unless you want to risk the lady in the picture owning your house and car. Ok, bob and colin ... and anyone else who cares to respond. In your considered opinions, this would put the photographer, publisher and seller of the tshirt at risk. Yes. Serious risk. How does printing a photograph of a woman and her child, taken in a public setting at a flea market, and printed on a t-shirt, with no other text or advertising associated, differ from taking that same photograph, printed and framed, and hung on a gallery wall for sale? It doesn't really. I wouldn't think of putting an unreleased photo in a gallery show, either. Generally, though, fine arts use has been considered exempt, but hasn't really been tested in court recently. It isn't a copyright issue, though, but something called right of publicity. A friend of mine's daughter sued a man who used her likeness without permission and got a large enough settlement that she no longer had to worry about her college expenses. or sold to the local newspaper for use on page 11 of the magazine section in a feature article entitled People Walking Through A Fair? There is a specific exemption for news use, but even that is not absolute. A man was photographed in Central Park jogging. The NY Times used the photo in a story about drug dealers. The man sued. The man won. I know the latter two cases are done all the time with no releases. Lots of things are done without releases, but it only takes one lawsuit to ruin your day! Bob
Re: copyrights
On Apr 3, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Tom C wrote: Makes sense to me. I'm no lawyer either. Thinking along these lines though, TV stations routinely shoot footage on street corners, at public events., etc., of persons who have not given explicit signed consent to be photographed. Nor have they given consent for the footage to be aired. That footage is shown on television news. Stepping out on a limb... Somewhat implicit in everything a news organization (at least here in the US) does is the idea that it will attract advertisers and readership/viewership, hence generate income. I don't see the difference in showing a picture on the air vs. on a T-shirt. News use is exempt. But a T-shirt is not a newspaper. And the news images must be used in a manner that is not derogatory to people who are just incidentally photographed. Bob
Re: copyrights
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:18:09 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Isle of Man Examiner, when informed of my show,. I will assume that they know what they're doing with regard to liability and releases. If you assume that, you'd assume anything. :-) This was the island that recently turned down a FREE connection to the Irish Sea gas main. Once the pipeline (from England to Ireland) was competed, they changed their minds, at a cost of tens of millions. This was the island that thinks it's a good thing to have ONE sewage treatment plant for the entire island. When the inlet gets blocked, the consequences don't bear thinking about. And they placed it just by the beach in a seaside resort - to encourage the bathers! This is the island that says it doesn't know who owns or is responsible for the IOM Electricity Company, which last year almost bankrupted the government with a level of extravagance that would make Croesus look like Scrooge. The Isle of Man is a wonderful place. But it's run by inbred fishermen who are capable of levels of stupidity that beggar belief. If Dubya ever wants to look intelligent, he should arrange a photo-shoot with himself and members of the Manx parliament. John How does this differ from me taking the same photograph(s) and making them into T-shirts for sale to those that like them? Godfrey -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: copyrights
On Apr 3, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Tom C wrote: It's likely a different scenario risk-wise, liability-wise, etc., depending on whether one T-shirt is sold or 100,000. If a photographer makes, for sake of argument, $1000 on the publication of an image, does their potential liability extend beyond that $1000? To my way of thinking, no. In today's legal system, likely yes. The copyright act has specific damages for infringement. Currently it is $ 50,000 per image/per infringement. But, as stated earlier, this is not really a copyright issue. Bob
Re: copyrights
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:20:05 +0100, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your maximun liability is everything you own and everything you earn for the rest of your life. They can not legally attach your wife, kids, and grandkids in the US (don't laugh, that has happened many times through out history). I think you are over-looking bankruptcy. That frees up your future earnings. John Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: PESO: Puppy Luv
On 4/1/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more from today's trip into town. Again, the FA 40/1.4. This time at an ap and shutter speed that show off the lens: f6.7 @ 1/180th. This was going to be BW, but the skin tones, the dog's fur, and the orange sweater changed my mind. That's one think I like about digital: no commitment on the BW vs. color decision. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4285825 Lovely pic, and moreover, it made me smile (and today's one of those days that I need a smile...). g Thanks. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: copyrights
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:45:46 +0100, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/4/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: It would hinge on whether that someone had paid a premium for theT-Shirt because of the picture. If they had, the seller might have a problem. It boils down to your right to likenesses of yourself, and someone elses lack of right to make money from it without permission. That sums it up pretty much. I think it's quite simple, really. If you are making money out of their property (their ugly mug), then they are entitled to a share of it. John ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: copyrights
One problem is that this is an international list and laws are different in each country. For the sake of this discussion, we need to limit it to the country in which the photograph was taken, I'm assuming the USA. In your case, Godfrey, the applicable law would be that of the Isle of Man. I assume they follow UK law? Bob On Apr 3, 2006, at 7:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Again, I am no lawyer and have little to gain from pursuing a specific opinion on this matter. I'm interested in that I'm showing and selling photographs that contain people, as do many other street photographers who publish their work. I know that the vast majority of that work is sold without releases for the people in the pictures. So here's a situation that comes straight home to me. My current exhibit (on display until April 16, btw, if you are local and want to go see it...) has several pictures of people in it. The pictures are, in essence, about them and the city I photographed, Ramsey on the Isle of Man. I have no model releases for any of these photographs. They were intended to be used for display and sale, editorially and as art but not in advertising. The Isle of Man Examiner, when informed of my show, did a feature article on my show (see http://www.gdgphoto.com/ramsey/yank/) and chose a couple of the photos to present in the article. They never asked me for releases, never went to the people in the photo for releases to the best of my knowledge. I will assume that they know what they're doing with regard to liability and releases. How does this differ from me taking the same photograph(s) and making them into T-shirts for sale to those that like them? Godfrey
Re: copyrights
On Apr 3, 2006, at 7:29 PM, graywolf wrote: You could get someone in a lot of trouble with your logic there, Bob. The law is not about logic, it is about how things are written into law, and how the courts have ruled on it in the past. And you are wrong about that photo on the front of a mass market book too. You damn well better have a release, but you will because your publisher is not going to accept the liability involved if you do not. You need an attorney to dot the I's and cross the T's, but what we are talking about here is so broad that anyone who has done even a little reading about the matter should know better than what some of you guys are saying. I have a good friend who is a copyright lawyer. He has become quite wealthy by suing on behalf of people whose copyright or right to publicity has been infringed. These cases run into high dollars. I've worked for him as an expert witness on photography in several cases. Statutory damages typically run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and there can be unlimited punitive damages on top of that! This is big money stuff, and you don't want to be on the receiving end of one of these suits, believe me!!! Bob
Re: OT - PESO: Cine Novelty
Internet Explorer - probably 6.0 On 4/4/06, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I try to open this picture/website, it launches some Microsoft product like email and starts trying to install it. I cancel out of it, but don't appreciate the attempt. Is this site infected? Strange indeed. Never noticed anything of that kind. Then again, there's nothing from Micro$oft installed that could be launched, over here. Which browser are you using? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
Re: PESO - A bug in the field - Take II
I prefer the first one. Much more striking. Bob
Re: 1:1 comparison Schneider - Pentax
On Apr 4, 2006, at 5:07 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote: I wonder whether they are identical (apart from the labels). Does SMC apply to both? Is there any other difference? The Samsung version smells like kim-chee. Bob
Re: OT - PESO: Cine Novelty
Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Internet Explorer - probably 6.0 errr... well, then... -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
50mm macro lense DOF vs. extension rings
How does 50mm macro lense DOF f/8 stand compared to 50mm lense f/8 with 12mm extension ring? Which expected to have greater DOF? Thoughts? -- home http://roman.blakout.net/
Re: RE: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 128 (Was PESO: Remake - Ar
Op Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:58:17 +0200 schreef mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So my spellchecker is smarter than me ;-) That makes me? Very limited, or an ass/æs/ animal of horse family with long ears and a tuft of the end of its tail. Ask for comments only in Norwegian on your next submission. _Then_ we'll see.. Hvem er en esel? Besides, I can't see how being limited is a bad thing ;-) -- Regards, Lucas
Re: PESO: Puppy Luv
Thanks Frank. Always happy to invoke a smile. Paul -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 4/1/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more from today's trip into town. Again, the FA 40/1.4. This time at an ap and shutter speed that show off the lens: f6.7 @ 1/180th. This was going to be BW, but the skin tones, the dog's fur, and the orange sweater changed my mind. That's one think I like about digital: no commitment on the BW vs. color decision. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4285825 Lovely pic, and moreover, it made me smile (and today's one of those days that I need a smile...). g Thanks. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass. Now we'll never hear the end of it. at least until we scrape bottom.
Re: PAW - Solitary Protester
On 4/3/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the downward look to the photo. He does not seem to happy here Frank. BTW, no Pamela.??:-) Thanks to everyone who commented. The print is much better looking than the scan - he's not terribly sharp, but I find it much less offensive than the way it looks on the web. I guess that's my poor scanning technique. Anyway, I'm glad some of you liked it. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
I think his grammatical use of the colon was correct. On 4/4/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass. Now we'll never hear the end of it. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
On Apr 4, 2006, at 6:31 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass. Now we'll never hear the end of it. at least until we scrape bottom. well, in hindsight, it seems to have been a mistaken contraction. Godfrey
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Doug Brewer wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass. Now we'll never hear the end of it.
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass.
Re: Re: copyrights
From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/04/04 Tue PM 12:25:22 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: copyrights One problem is that this is an international list and laws are different in each country. For the sake of this discussion, we need to limit it to the country in which the photograph was taken, I'm assuming the USA. In your case, Godfrey, the applicable law would be that of the Isle of Man. I assume they follow UK law? Bob A lot of assuming going on here. On Apr 3, 2006, at 7:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Again, I am no lawyer and have little to gain from pursuing a specific opinion on this matter. I'm interested in that I'm showing and selling photographs that contain people, as do many other street photographers who publish their work. I know that the vast majority of that work is sold without releases for the people in the pictures. So here's a situation that comes straight home to me. My current exhibit (on display until April 16, btw, if you are local and want to go see it...) has several pictures of people in it. The pictures are, in essence, about them and the city I photographed, Ramsey on the Isle of Man. I have no model releases for any of these photographs. They were intended to be used for display and sale, editorially and as art but not in advertising. The Isle of Man Examiner, when informed of my show, did a feature article on my show (see http://www.gdgphoto.com/ramsey/yank/) and chose a couple of the photos to present in the article. They never asked me for releases, never went to the people in the photo for releases to the best of my knowledge. I will assume that they know what they're doing with regard to liability and releases. How does this differ from me taking the same photograph(s) and making them into T-shirts for sale to those that like them? Godfrey - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
RE: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 128 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
In Oxford advanced learner dictionary it is analects with one l. But, when looking further down I now do find annals. Even the limited spellchecker conform it. So my spellchecker is smarter than me ;-) That makes me? Very limited, or an ass/æs/ animal of horse family with long ears and a tuft of the end of its tail. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4. april 2006 14:12 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 128 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red) Tim, I think you meant annals, anals is something else entirely. -Adam Tim Øsleby wrote: Not change # in headline. This is as ugly, ass can be. This list _is_ the dark side ;-) Seriously. Isn't it real English to use anals as short for analects? My spellchecker says no, but it is very limited. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4. april 2006 02:26 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red) I had another look at the remake I submitted yesterday. And, now I am embarrassed by my lack of judgement. It is not total crap, but it sure is very muddy looking. Ok, it is crappy. I did ruin it. Just consider it a sketch that left office by accident. When doing the sandwich my mind was in single track mode. I was obsessed by getting the puzzle bits together, so I kind of forgot to look at general picture. Besides being muddy, it also had a big dust spot. I saw that, but simply forgot to do something about it. Not an unforgivable sin, but I'm not proud of that either. The worst thing is that I can't claim to have been drinking and photoshopping. Go on, laugh and make jokes on my expense, but if you do, you also have to give me a warm we all do mistakes hug. (I really don't expect any of those hugs, I know you are evil people and will do whatever you can to rub it in ;-)) When you are done, I will have another go at the motif, waiting for the right moment, trying to get it right in camera (if the bird is still there). Tim, the Muddy Norwegian. -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3. april 2006 02:11 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red I have done a makeover on the Aristocrat in red picture. http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=228580 This is a sandwich of three different exposures, all from the same standpoint, and from the same session. The result is a new head ;-) and a improved(?) composition. This is the first time my hands have become dirty from working in PS. So I would really appreciate some comments on the result. Whatdoyuahthink? What about the photoshoping, anything I could have done better or different? Does it look real? And is it an improvement? Or could I have saved me the trouble? (The original is at a thumb below the picture for reference.) A lot of questions, but isn't that what life is, questions? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
Re: RE: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 128 (Was PESO: Remake - Ar
From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/04/04 Tue PM 12:55:27 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 128 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red) In Oxford advanced learner dictionary it is analects with one l. But, when looking further down I now do find annals. Even the limited spellchecker conform it. So my spellchecker is smarter than me ;-) That makes me? Very limited, or an ass/æs/ animal of horse family with long ears and a tuft of the end of its tail. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) Ask for comments only in Norwegian on your next submission. _Then_ we'll see.. -Original Message- From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4. april 2006 14:12 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 128 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red) Tim, I think you meant annals, anals is something else entirely. -Adam Tim Øsleby wrote: Not change # in headline. This is as ugly, ass can be. This list _is_ the dark side ;-) Seriously. Isn't it real English to use anals as short for analects? My spellchecker says no, but it is very limited. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4. april 2006 02:26 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red) I had another look at the remake I submitted yesterday. And, now I am embarrassed by my lack of judgement. It is not total crap, but it sure is very muddy looking. Ok, it is crappy. I did ruin it. Just consider it a sketch that left office by accident. When doing the sandwich my mind was in single track mode. I was obsessed by getting the puzzle bits together, so I kind of forgot to look at general picture. Besides being muddy, it also had a big dust spot. I saw that, but simply forgot to do something about it. Not an unforgivable sin, but I'm not proud of that either. The worst thing is that I can't claim to have been drinking and photoshopping. Go on, laugh and make jokes on my expense, but if you do, you also have to give me a warm we all do mistakes hug. (I really don't expect any of those hugs, I know you are evil people and will do whatever you can to rub it in ;-)) When you are done, I will have another go at the motif, waiting for the right moment, trying to get it right in camera (if the bird is still there). Tim, the Muddy Norwegian. -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3. april 2006 02:11 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red I have done a makeover on the Aristocrat in red picture. http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=228580 This is a sandwich of three different exposures, all from the same standpoint, and from the same session. The result is a new head ;-) and a improved(?) composition. This is the first time my hands have become dirty from working in PS. So I would really appreciate some comments on the result. Whatdoyuahthink? What about the photoshoping, anything I could have done better or different? Does it look real? And is it an improvement? Or could I have saved me the trouble? (The original is at a thumb below the picture for reference.) A lot of questions, but isn't that what life is, questions? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
RE: DL TTL flash madness
I would have thought that it's something like the red eye reduction pre flash, which I find very annoying and time consuming (the shot is taken quite a bit after I have pressed the button). I never use it for the same reason - and it gives unnatural looking (small) pupils. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 22:38 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness It does take time, but maybe 10-15ms. It's imperceptible. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03/2006
Re: 50mm macro lense DOF vs. extension rings
On Apr 4, 2006, at 6:47 AM, Roman wrote: How does 50mm macro lense DOF f/8 stand compared to 50mm lense f/8 with 12mm extension ring? Which expected to have greater DOF? Thoughts? Any 50mm lens will have the same DoF when focused with the same amount of extension to achieve a given magnification . Godfrey
Re: Would you recommend Pentax?
I recommend Pentax to people quite often. Even to professionals whose work, like mine, doesn't necessarily require the fastest, biggest camera on the block. The lenses are excellent, the prices are reasonable, the viewfinder is very very good, and the camera is easily learned and very handy in use. For those more concerned with making photographs than allowing equipment to make a statement for them, Pentax does a very good job. The major advantage of using Nikon and Canon is that you have more lens choices at your disposal. This is important for those who need more lenses, but if what Pentax offers fits your needs, there are few downsides. Godfrey
Re: 50mm macro lense DOF vs. extension rings
Op Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:47:54 +0200 schreef Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
How does 50mm macro lense DOF f/8 stand compared to 50mm lense f/8 with
12mm extension ring? Which expected to have greater DOF?
Impossible to tell :o)
Thoughts?
As far as I know, d.o.f. is dependent on the size of the entrance pupil
('the aperture as seen from the front of the lens'), and the enlargement
of the image at the sensor. Assuming that the entrance pupil is the same
for two 50mm lenses at f/8, d.o.f. would be identical if you make
identical compositions.
If you try to get maximum magnification from both setups, I'd say that you
get a better d.o.f. from the 50mm with 12mm extension ring. But that's
only because that'll reach about 1:4 as maximum magnification, while 50mm
macro's typically reach 1:2 or even 1:1. Blow up and crop the 50+extension
image to match the macro image, and you have lost your advantage again...
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...
--
Regards, Lucas
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass. Now we'll never hear the end of it. at least until we scrape bottom. Guys, this is wholly inappropriate. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
RE: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 128 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Note to myself: Speaking of anals, I must let my blunder go ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4. april 2006 14:08 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 128 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red) Not change # in headline. This is as ugly, ass can be. This list _is_ the dark side ;-) Seriously. Isn't it real English to use anals as short for analects? My spellchecker says no, but it is very limited. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4. april 2006 02:26 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red) I had another look at the remake I submitted yesterday. And, now I am embarrassed by my lack of judgement. It is not total crap, but it sure is very muddy looking. Ok, it is crappy. I did ruin it. Just consider it a sketch that left office by accident. When doing the sandwich my mind was in single track mode. I was obsessed by getting the puzzle bits together, so I kind of forgot to look at general picture. Besides being muddy, it also had a big dust spot. I saw that, but simply forgot to do something about it. Not an unforgivable sin, but I'm not proud of that either. The worst thing is that I can't claim to have been drinking and photoshopping. Go on, laugh and make jokes on my expense, but if you do, you also have to give me a warm we all do mistakes hug. (I really don't expect any of those hugs, I know you are evil people and will do whatever you can to rub it in ;-)) When you are done, I will have another go at the motif, waiting for the right moment, trying to get it right in camera (if the bird is still there). Tim, the Muddy Norwegian. -Original Message- From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3. april 2006 02:11 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red I have done a makeover on the Aristocrat in red picture. http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=228580 This is a sandwich of three different exposures, all from the same standpoint, and from the same session. The result is a new head ;-) and a improved(?) composition. This is the first time my hands have become dirty from working in PS. So I would really appreciate some comments on the result. Whatdoyuahthink? What about the photoshoping, anything I could have done better or different? Does it look real? And is it an improvement? Or could I have saved me the trouble? (The original is at a thumb below the picture for reference.) A lot of questions, but isn't that what life is, questions? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Cotty wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass. Now we'll never hear the end of it. at least until we scrape bottom. Guys, this is wholly inappropriate. And Cotty, as usual, is bringing up the rear.
Re: copyrights
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:25:22 +0100, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One problem is that this is an international list and laws are different in each country. For the sake of this discussion, we need to limit it to the country in which the photograph was taken, I'm assuming the USA. In your case, Godfrey, the applicable law would be that of the Isle of Man. I assume they follow UK law? No. They have their own legislature and laws. But they do often copy English laws to save time and trouble and the bother of understanding what the laws mean. John Bob On Apr 3, 2006, at 7:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Again, I am no lawyer and have little to gain from pursuing a specific opinion on this matter. I'm interested in that I'm showing and selling photographs that contain people, as do many other street photographers who publish their work. I know that the vast majority of that work is sold without releases for the people in the pictures. So here's a situation that comes straight home to me. My current exhibit (on display until April 16, btw, if you are local and want to go see it...) has several pictures of people in it. The pictures are, in essence, about them and the city I photographed, Ramsey on the Isle of Man. I have no model releases for any of these photographs. They were intended to be used for display and sale, editorially and as art but not in advertising. The Isle of Man Examiner, when informed of my show, did a feature article on my show (see http://www.gdgphoto.com/ramsey/yank/) and chose a couple of the photos to present in the article. They never asked me for releases, never went to the people in the photo for releases to the best of my knowledge. I will assume that they know what they're doing with regard to liability and releases. How does this differ from me taking the same photograph(s) and making them into T-shirts for sale to those that like them? Godfrey -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass. Now we'll never hear the end of it. at least until we scrape bottom. Guys, this is wholly inappropriate. And Cotty, as usual, is bringing up the rear. That's right Brewer, crack the whip. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Cotty wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass. Now we'll never hear the end of it. at least until we scrape bottom. Guys, this is wholly inappropriate. And Cotty, as usual, is bringing up the rear. That's right Brewer, crack the whip. why, you cheeky sod.
Re: PESO - By the Tyne
On 4/3/06, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gorgeous! The curving line of the fence, the sturdy posts in contrast to the delicate arc of the bridge, the lighting, the colors... I like all of it! I concur, for the same reasons given. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass. Now we'll never hear the end of it. at least until we scrape bottom. Guys, this is wholly inappropriate. And Cotty, as usual, is bringing up the rear. That's right Brewer, crack the whip. why, you cheeky sod. You exude such respect when you discharge your duties. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: 50mm macro lense DOF vs. extension rings
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 6:47 AM, Roman wrote: How does 50mm macro lense DOF f/8 stand compared to 50mm lense f/8 with 12mm extension ring? Which expected to have greater DOF? Thoughts? Any 50mm lens will have the same DoF when focused with the same amount of extension to achieve a given magnification . At the same aperture. Godfrey -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg
Re: Would you recommend Pentax?
Having used a Canon Rebel and a Nikon D70, and played with an istD for a day or so, making the choice to go with a DS was a no brainer for me. While a D would have been nice for a few of the features, those features weren't worth doubling the price of the camera. I definitely wanted an entry-level DSLR with which I could learn digital photography. I liked the build quality of the DS - it felt more solid than the Rebel, and I liked the way it fit my hand better than the Nikon. The Pentax viewfinder was a big plus - I could use it both with and without my glasses, and it was bright enough to allow manual focusing fairly easily. That I had a bunch of Pentax K-mount lenses was a big plus, but, if I were starting from scratch, I'd probably have gone with the Pentax anyway. I'd recommend a Pentax in a heartbeat - in fact, I have on several occasions. It's a good, solid camera to start with, and the range of lenses available run from the downright cheap to very expensive, from old screw mounts to the latest digital lenses. It just took a few days of experimenting and asking a few questions to set the camera up properly (for my needs) and begin photographing in earnest. It's not the only entry level choice out there, but it sure is a good one, imo. Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi I recommend Pentax to people quite often. Even to professionals whose work, like mine, doesn't necessarily require the fastest, biggest camera on the block. The lenses are excellent, the prices are reasonable, the viewfinder is very very good, and the camera is easily learned and very handy in use. For those more concerned with making photographs than allowing equipment to make a statement for them, Pentax does a very good job. The major advantage of using Nikon and Canon is that you have more lens choices at your disposal. This is important for those who need more lenses, but if what Pentax offers fits your needs, there are few downsides. Godfrey
Re: Flash Compensation istDS
Thanks, Godfrey. I played a little more with it after reading your message, and I think I understand it pretty well now. Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi The flash exposure compensation (FEC) control adjusts the total amount of flash exposure in much the same way as the EV compensation control affects the ambient exposure calibration: it sets the flash metering circuit to adjust the amount of flash used in the exposure up or down based upon its setting, in EV. On the occasions when I use the built-in flash, I use it primarily as a way to obtain a little bit of direct, on-camera fill for high- contrast situations (like a sunlit day at the beach, etc). For that reason, I normally have the FEC set to either -0.7 or -1.0 EV and use the camera in Tv mode at 1/125 second. The result is that the ambient meter sets the aperture based on the ambient light to a reasonable value, and the flash metering cuts the flash importance to be under the daylight by that amount. The integrated result with P-TTL is to reduce the hot-looking glare of on-camera flash and fill in shadows nicely. The FEC control only affects the built-in or dedicated external flash systems running P-TTL or TTL metering. It has no effect on something like my non-dedicated Sunpak 383 external flash. Godfrey On Apr 3, 2006, at 8:51 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Last night, while trying to get some pics of my cat in a very dark room, I decided to try the pop-up flash on the istDS. A little symbol in the viewfinder was blinking, and upon checking into the cause, I found that flash compensation had been set. So, what is flash compensation and when would it be used? Shel
Re: DL TTL flash madness
More or less. It's just way faster. I don't think one can call that lag. Maybe for some time critical shots but really, you don't feel any lag. On 4/4/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would have thought that it's something like the red eye reduction pre flash, which I find very annoying and time consuming (the shot is taken quite a bit after I have pressed the button). I never use it for the same reason - and it gives unnatural looking (small) pupils. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 22:38 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness It does take time, but maybe 10-15ms. It's imperceptible. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 /
Re: copyrights
Bankrupcy does not discharge court ordered settlements, back taxes, or federal school loans unless the law has changed since 1984. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- John Forbes wrote: On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:20:05 +0100, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your maximun liability is everything you own and everything you earn for the rest of your life. They can not legally attach your wife, kids, and grandkids in the US (don't laugh, that has happened many times through out history). I think you are over-looking bankruptcy. That frees up your future earnings. John Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: DL TTL flash madness
To me, it looks more like one slightly longer flash, rather than a pre burst and main flash as two separate bursts. However, some people are prone to blinking and it is quite easy for them to get the eyelids starting to close while the exposure is being made. I get way more partially closed eyes with P-TTL than I do with TTL when shooting weddings and portraits. It seems to be only those who are prone to blinking in flash photos anyway. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, April 4, 2006, 7:03:47 AM, you wrote: JB I would have thought that it's something like the red eye reduction pre JB flash, which I find very annoying and time consuming (the shot is taken JB quite a bit after I have pressed the button). I never use it for the same JB reason - and it gives unnatural looking (small) pupils. JB Regards JB Jens Bladt JB http://www.jensbladt.dk JB -Oprindelig meddelelse- JB Fra: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB Sendt: 3. april 2006 22:38 JB Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net JB Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness JB It does take time, but maybe 10-15ms. It's imperceptible. JB -Adam JB Jens Bladt wrote: So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing
Re: copyrights
A little more rambling than I would have hoped for... I was thinking about this last night after it was suggested I was morally bereft... I did a *little* research and came to a couple of conclusions... rightly or wrongly. 1. It seems that, at least where I live, there is not really a *law* regarding sale, publication, or display of a photograph of a person without their permission. It seems that act is not breaking any law in and of itself. 2. There are laws regarding invasion of privacy. 3. People do not necessarially have the right to an expectation of privacy when they are in a public place. 4. Invasion of privacy is considered such and is an actionable/punishable offense only when it is proved that damage or injury has been done because of the claimed invasion. 5. There are certain rights of publicity in which a person has a right to prevent unauthorized use of their name or image to sell products. Unauthorized use is not the breaking of a law either. It's just that a person has the right to prevent it. 6. The use of release forms protects a person from these claims to an extent, but is not neccesarialy required by the law. As stated earlier laws are different everywhere. IMO, while it may be prudent to obtain release forms, publication of the photograph under discussion is not the breaking of a law and is not even an invasion of privacy. It's not a criminal act and is really only punishable if it can be shown to have harmed another person. Would his publishing the photograph violate the person's rights regarding publicity? From what I've read this is a murkier area than the invasion of privacy issue. OTOH, I can see this issue as being easier to act on legally than that of privacy rights. Their image is not being used to sell anything I would gather, it itself is being sold. There are risks involved in almost any action we decide to undertake, whether it's getting behind the wheel of a car, engaging in a sport that can cause injury, or stepping off the curb on a busy street. Jerome hasn't specified how recognizable the person in the photograph may be, how many copies of the image will be made, or how publicly the T-shirts will be worn. The risk of someone complaining is different if a a single T-shirt or a handful of T-shirts were made with the image worn by private individuals vs. a large quantity being made and displayed simultaneously in a public venue, or the T-shirts being sold to make a profit. (Would the image work equally well if it was a simple silohouette?) A release may not be *needed* under the statute of law. I'm not suggesting that a professional photographer hoping to market their images would not normally obtain signed release forms before taking photographs of their subjects. They very likely would. My point is that I think the issue is not necessarially one of breaking the law, but of the amount of risk one wishes to assume. Tom C. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: copyrights Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:30:20 -0400 Jerome Reyes wrote: Someone wants to use an image of mine for a t-shirt. The problem (?) is that it's a portrait of a stranger and her child (about 1 year old) that I took about 5 years ago while just walking through a local street fair. I've contributed nature and animal photos before, put never people shots (without permission). In short, the question is, can I really sell this photo for usage without permission from the person in it? I guess I'm picturing a hilarious (albeit unlikely) event of the person eventually coming across someone wearing a tee-shirt with THEIR photo on it. How weird would that be? Thoughts? Experiences? No go. You need a signed model release for this kind of use. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: copyrights
On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:55 AM, Tom C wrote: Would his publishing the photograph violate the person's rights regarding publicity? From what I've read this is a murkier area than the invasion of privacy issue. OTOH, I can see this issue as being easier to act on legally than that of privacy rights. Their image is not being used to sell anything I would gather, it itself is being sold. I would argue that the image is being used to sell the T-shirt. Doubtful someone would buy the plain shirt without it. I certainly would not want to take the risks involved in this project. Bob
Re: copyrights
It does in this jurisdiction, but I'm sure you're better informed on American law. John On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:33:57 +0100, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bankrupcy does not discharge court ordered settlements, back taxes, or federal school loans unless the law has changed since 1984. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- John Forbes wrote: On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:20:05 +0100, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your maximun liability is everything you own and everything you earn for the rest of your life. They can not legally attach your wife, kids, and grandkids in the US (don't laugh, that has happened many times through out history). I think you are over-looking bankruptcy. That frees up your future earnings. John Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: copyrights
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:55:01 +0100, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A little more rambling than I would have hoped for... I was thinking about this last night after it was suggested I was morally bereft... I did a *little* research and came to a couple of conclusions... rightly or wrongly. 1. It seems that, at least where I live, there is not really a *law* regarding sale, publication, or display of a photograph of a person without their permission. It seems that act is not breaking any law in and of itself. 2. There are laws regarding invasion of privacy. 3. People do not necessarially have the right to an expectation of privacy when they are in a public place. 4. Invasion of privacy is considered such and is an actionable/punishable offense only when it is proved that damage or injury has been done because of the claimed invasion. 5. There are certain rights of publicity in which a person has a right to prevent unauthorized use of their name or image to sell products. Unauthorized use is not the breaking of a law either. It's just that a person has the right to prevent it. 6. The use of release forms protects a person from these claims to an extent, but is not neccesarialy required by the law. As stated earlier laws are different everywhere. IMO, while it may be prudent to obtain release forms, publication of the photograph under discussion is not the breaking of a law and is not even an invasion of privacy. It's not a criminal act and is really only punishable if it can be shown to have harmed another person. Would his publishing the photograph violate the person's rights regarding publicity? From what I've read this is a murkier area than the invasion of privacy issue. OTOH, I can see this issue as being easier to act on legally than that of privacy rights. Their image is not being used to sell anything I would gather, it itself is being sold. There are risks involved in almost any action we decide to undertake, whether it's getting behind the wheel of a car, engaging in a sport that can cause injury, or stepping off the curb on a busy street. Jerome hasn't specified how recognizable the person in the photograph may be, how many copies of the image will be made, or how publicly the T-shirts will be worn. The risk of someone complaining is different if a a single T-shirt or a handful of T-shirts were made with the image worn by private individuals vs. a large quantity being made and displayed simultaneously in a public venue, or the T-shirts being sold to make a profit. (Would the image work equally well if it was a simple silohouette?) A release may not be *needed* under the statute of law. I'm not suggesting that a professional photographer hoping to market their images would not normally obtain signed release forms before taking photographs of their subjects. They very likely would. My point is that I think the issue is not necessarially one of breaking the law, but of the amount of risk one wishes to assume. If you are not breaking the law, and not breaching somebody else's rights, then there is no risk. John From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: copyrights Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:30:20 -0400 Jerome Reyes wrote: Someone wants to use an image of mine for a t-shirt. The problem (?) is that it's a portrait of a stranger and her child (about 1 year old) that I took about 5 years ago while just walking through a local street fair. I've contributed nature and animal photos before, put never people shots (without permission). In short, the question is, can I really sell this photo for usage without permission from the person in it? I guess I'm picturing a hilarious (albeit unlikely) event of the person eventually coming across someone wearing a tee-shirt with THEIR photo on it. How weird would that be? Thoughts? Experiences? No go. You need a signed model release for this kind of use. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
RE: 1:1 comparison Schneider - Pentax
It's probably the same lenses with a different label ;-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 4. april 2006 14:39 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: 1:1 comparison Schneider - Pentax On Apr 4, 2006, at 5:07 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote: I wonder whether they are identical (apart from the labels). Does SMC apply to both? Is there any other difference? The Samsung version smells like kim-chee. Bob -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03/2006
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Boy, the crap we have to put up with this list is starting to pile up. If its not the potty mouth Brits, it the stuck up Canadians. I wish we can put you all on a space ship and send you to Uranus. For once I wish we could stop all these assinine puns. or not 8-) On 4/4/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass. Now we'll never hear the end of it. at least until we scrape bottom. Guys, this is wholly inappropriate. And Cotty, as usual, is bringing up the rear. That's right Brewer, crack the whip. why, you cheeky sod. You exude such respect when you discharge your duties. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
On 4/4/06, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For once I wish we could stop all these assinine puns. or not 8-) Wow! That's some serious flatulence. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman
Re: DL TTL flash madness
Red Eye Reduction purposely slows things down to give people's eyes time to react, pre-flash for metering needs to occur as quickly as possible to prevent movement from changing the needed exposure. Same technology, applied in opposite manners. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: I would have thought that it's something like the red eye reduction pre flash, which I find very annoying and time consuming (the shot is taken quite a bit after I have pressed the button). I never use it for the same reason - and it gives unnatural looking (small) pupils. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 22:38 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness It does take time, but maybe 10-15ms. It's imperceptible. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: So the pre-flash doesn't take time? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 20:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness And P-TTL does not cause shutter lag. -- Original message -- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is E-TTL? I don't know. All I know is, that I'm not interested in using ANY preflash - at all. It's bad enough, that the people I photograph must put up with one flash light. I would never use a flash system that requires more than one flash burst. First of all, it will give me a shutter lag - I can't capture the right moment. Secondly I believe that more than one flash is an unnecessary annoyance for the people being photographed. I almost exclusively use bounced flash (ceiling or other surfaces (except for studio photography and outdoor photography). A direct flash is not very polite. is it?. It leaves people blind for several minutes. This is often quite unacceptable. A direct flash provides a very unnatural looking light (horizontal in stead of vertical). Direct flash will result in over exposure of the foreground and under exposure of the background. Thus very unpleasant pictures. A direct flash will result in long horizontal shadows, which are not very pleasing IMO. No pre flash system for me, thank you very much! One flash light is actually one flash too many, as far as I'm concerned. I just want noiseless 12800 ASA . I guess my grand children will have this feature in - let's say - 20 years time ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 19:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness BTW, I didn't know that my PENTAX *ist D was their very cheapest DSLR? I knew it was their first one, though. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:29 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: DL TTL flash madness Who said only? Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:49 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: DL TTL flash madness On Apr 3, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Crippled or not. If the new 10 MP Pentax body doesn't support ordenary TTL flash, I won't be buying it. I have too many flashes - I guess 7 or 8 TTL flahses, one of which is a Metz 60-CT2. Why on earth would you expect that the new top-end body would have only the feature set of the very cheapest DSLR that Pentax makes? -Aaron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 04/03/2006
Re: copyrights
If you are not breaking the law, and not breaching somebody else's rights, then there is no risk. John Breaking the law and breach of rights is only such when proven to be such. The laws, at least here are written loosely enough for that to be the case. One person may consider it a violation and the next person may not. My point in writing this is that to say flatly that 'he needs a release' is wrong. By law he does not need a release. I don't know how many t-shirts he's talking about. I think it would be very very hard for someone to go to court and prove that they were injured and their rights to privacy were violated by the the selling of a handful of t-shirts for likely a negligible amount of money. Tom C.
Re: Would you recommend Pentax?
Hi! I'd recommend a Pentax in a heartbeat - in fact, I have on several occasions. It's a good, solid camera to start with, and the range of lenses available run from the downright cheap to very expensive, from old screw mounts to the latest digital lenses. It just took a few days of experimenting and asking a few questions to set the camera up properly (for my needs) and begin photographing in earnest. I recommended Pentax to several people. Two of them (one being my brother) bought Pentax digicams and are happy. Another might buy a DSLR from Pentax. Pentax, I think, brings to the market the best (*photographic*) value for money. Boris
Re: PESO - A bug in the field - Take II
On 4/3/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Square makes a difference. It makes it square. snip Mark!! -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PESO - A bug in the field - Take II
On 4/4/06, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the first one. Much more striking. I agree with Mr. Shell. -frank, who's been way too busy at work these past to days to actually type a reasoned critique (like I ever...), so I'm just scrolling down to something that I agree with and, well, agreeing. -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PESO - By the Tyne
Hi! As Mike Wilson has already mentioned, we spent Saturday evening strolling along the river Tyne. Here's one shot from the session, with the blue arc of the Millenium Bridge in the background. http://www.oksne.net/paw/20060403-0139.html Jostein, do tell me, what kind of comment you expect evil wink... Well, it is most beautiful, as usual from you... What can I say more? Boris
Re: OT - PESO: Cine Novelty
Bob, Internet Explorer - probably 6.0 Bob, I am regular poster to www.PhotoSight.ru. I hereby humbly suggest you either install a web proxy application or use Mozilla FireFox... With FireFox (and a proxy) I never had such a bad luck like you reported. Thanks. Boris
Re: PESO - A bug in the field - Take II
Hi! Whatever that is to the bug's right is quite distracting. I preferred the original composition. I also prefer the original version. Boris
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Scott Loveless wrote: On 4/4/06, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For once I wish we could stop all these assinine puns. or not 8-) Wow! That's some serious flatulence. Yes, it may require an examination by some Pentax medical gear to find the source. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
On 4/4/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/06, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For once I wish we could stop all these assinine puns. or not 8-) Wow! That's some serious flatulence. That's funny coming from a wind bag like you.
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:28:38 +0100, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boy, the crap we have to put up with this list is starting to pile up. If its not the potty mouth Brits, it the stuck up Canadians. I wish we can put you all on a space ship and send you to Uranus. For once I wish we could stop all these assinine puns. or not 8-) Not a hope. The fundamental problem is that the PDML has a bottomless pit of terrible puns. There is no end to it. It's a pain in the ane. But so what? It's cool to be cul. I con-fesse I rather like flogging these things to death. Burrowing into the arsenal to see what's there. And how appropriate for a list dedicated to a maker of proctoscopes. Anyway, time for supper, and a nice bare, sorry, rare rump. John On 4/4/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we have a Subject Line Hall of Fame around here? If so, I nominate this one. Come on Doug, don't try to make Tim the butt of your jokes... yeah, sorry. I was just being an ass. Now we'll never hear the end of it. at least until we scrape bottom. Guys, this is wholly inappropriate. And Cotty, as usual, is bringing up the rear. That's right Brewer, crack the whip. why, you cheeky sod. You exude such respect when you discharge your duties. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: copyrights
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:45:26 +0100, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are not breaking the law, and not breaching somebody else's rights, then there is no risk. John Breaking the law and breach of rights is only such when proven to be such. The laws, at least here are written loosely enough for that to be the case. One person may consider it a violation and the next person may not. My point in writing this is that to say flatly that 'he needs a release' is wrong. By law he does not need a release. I don't know how many t-shirts he's talking about. I think it would be very very hard for someone to go to court and prove that they were injured and their rights to privacy were violated by the the selling of a handful of t-shirts for likely a negligible amount of money. And my point was that having a model release would ensure that you were neither breaking the law (if any), nor infringing the other party's rights. I agree that the risks seem negligible, but that isn't a good reason to break laws or upset people. There are plenty of other reasons, of course! :-) John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: PESO - By the Tyne
Malcolm Smith wrote: Jostein wrote: http://www.oksne.net/paw/20060403-0139.html Beautiful. Malcolm I totally agree. ERNR
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
I'd like to reply, but I think I'll pass. On 4/4/06, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/06, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For once I wish we could stop all these assinine puns. or not 8-) Wow! That's some serious flatulence. That's funny coming from a wind bag like you. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman
Comments on 28mm F2.8 FA AL
Hi, Any comments on the quality of the subject lens? Shel
Re: Would you recommend Pentax?
Quoting Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I regularly reccommend Pentax, if its the camera they should be looking at. My daughter likes her istD and her boyfriend uses it aswell. I have always liked the Pentax bodies i have bought in the past, and some of my glass is terrific.If its someone that has Pentax glass i will definetly push the D series. Espesially for the bigger backwards compatability than the others. However i will use the camera that best suites my needs that day, and if its equine in nature, the Nikons come out to play. If write speed and buffer is not an issue, the istD comes out. If its BW, the PZ-1. Dave I recommended Pentax to several people. Two of them (one being my brother) bought Pentax digicams and are happy. Another might buy a DSLR from Pentax. Pentax, I think, brings to the market the best (*photographic*) value for money. Boris Equine Photography in York Region
Re: OT - PESO: Cine Novelty
On 4/3/06, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The old cinema at Ensival... http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1360317 ...has since been demolished. Beautifullly composed. Lovely photo, very evocative. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: The anals of an embarrased photographer, part 127 (Was PESO: Remake - Aristocrat in red)
Come on, stop farting around. Scott Loveless wrote: I'd like to reply, but I think I'll pass. On 4/4/06, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/06, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For once I wish we could stop all these assinine puns. or not 8-) Wow! That's some serious flatulence. That's funny coming from a wind bag like you. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg
Re: Comments on 28mm F2.8 FA AL
Shel, It is a nice lens. Size, weight and handling is similar to the FA 50/1.7. Sharpness is very good. Auto focus is pretty fast. The manual focusing ring is not great but it is OK. Perry. On 4/4/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Any comments on the quality of the subject lens? Shel -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
