Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Norm Baugher
Mark!

Tom C wrote:
> It's relatively easy not to like someone until you get to know them.
>   
>> From: "P. J. Alling" 
>>
>> When it comes to condescension WW's cornered the market.  But his focus
>> is so narrow he seldom notices.  He lives in a country who's government
>> he doesn't respect, that neighbors a country he believes is peopled with
>> uninformed dolts, run by idiots.   Usually it's amusing.
>> 
>   


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Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

2007-01-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/01/07, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What does that mean?  Sensible limits equates to what, especially relative
> to using a good, solid tripod?

The 1/FL suggestion is a decent guide plus I can pretty much always
tell when I'm not as steady as I could be, lack of sleep, physical
tiredness (long walk perhaps), caffeine in my system, low blood sugar
all contribute make me a little less stable.

> Personally, when trying to get the most from my camera, I always use a
> t'pod, but I've found that in my dotage I'm just not as steady as I once
> was.  Perhaps I should make a couple of comparison shots, with and without
> the 'pod just to see what, if any, difference there is.  Perhaps I'm
> underestimating myself.

Test it out, you may be surprised (just pixel peep some recent DSLR
images where you know you've used a high resolution lens and mid-range
aperture). Of course the type of camera can make a difference also, as
my Mamiya 7 uses in-lens leaf shutters it's got zero back-lash however
the Pentax DSLRs are also very low vibration, those APS sensors and
little reflex mirrors are good for something :-)

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

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From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


> When it comes to condescension WW's cornered the market.  But his focus
> is so narrow he seldom notices.  He lives in a country who's government
> he doesn't respect, that neighbors a country he believes is peopled with
> uninformed dolts, run by idiots.   Usually it's amusing.

Not quite true Peter.
I don't have a lot of respect for any governments.
I don't care whose.
Period.
I used to believe the USA was populated by uninformed dolts, then I joined 
this heavily USA weighted mailing list and realized that I was being 
unfairly judgemental.
I don't necessarily agree with what some of you are informed with, as it 
tends to come from a very narrow and rather shallow stream that is very USA 
centrist, but as a group, you are very well informed.
The run by idiots part, yup, I wholeheartedly agree with.

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Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

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From: "Digital Image Studio" Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2


>
> Sill have two, but I've owned about ten over the years, mostly M, yes
> they feel good but in reality the top end A series lenses that I have
> retained are practically just as good.

The A series aperture rings tend to be notchier than K/M lenses, but focus 
feel tends to be as good or better in the better A lenses that I have used.
Lenses like the A600/5.6, A85/1.4, the real primo lenses feel every bit as 
good as anything from the K era in all ways
Since the camera I am using now controls aperture from the body, aperture 
ring feel has gone from being no big deal to a total non issue.

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Re: Enablement

2007-01-09 Thread John Celio
Thanks, everyone.  :)

My first day was pretty good.  Looks like I've got some coworkers who are 
nice and easy to work with.  The few things I've done so far were much 
easier than I expected, but there are many more complicated things to learn.

I think the hardest part will be training myself to not be a nightowl 
anymore. ;)

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Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "jim" Subject: Re: Finally got my K10D. but..


>
>>Buy Pentax lenses. They're better performers, 99.9% of the time
>>anyway. The Pentax FA24-90/3.5-4.5 AL would be an excellent choice
>>for a lens in this focal length range.
>
> Thanks.
>
> tho with digital, I will also need a very wide lens to cover from 10/15 to 
> 24/28

10-17 is excellent, though you will need a defishing program.
I've heard enough good things about the 12-24 that I bought one.
At some point, I may even get it.
The 14/2.8 is excellent, as is the FA20-35.

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Re: What's in a Pentax image file (2007 edition) ?

2007-01-09 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 05:49:25PM -0500, Doug Franklin wrote:
> Digital Image Studio wrote:
> 
> > Excellent John, thanks for sharing that. Now if I begged would you
> > consider a rewrite of your little app "halfsize" so that it could be
> > used to work with the K10D PEF/DNG files? It's become so much a part
> > of my RAW work-flow and makes pre-edits so much easier.
> 
> And if you'll allow me access to the source, I'll see about an option to
> output CSV files or something, so the tag data is easier to process
> automagically.

How do you feel about XML?

For the Mac users: all the base code should work just fine (in theory);
I think I've written the code to be byte-order-independent.  The only
thing that wouldn't port immediately is the wildcard processing, and
that's only in one very small part of the overall process.


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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "jim" Subject: Re: How does one unlock an SD card??


> On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:31:01 -0600, William Robb wrote:
>
>>The second biggest problem we had was Sony Memory Sticks.
>
> Why is that? I am totally ignorant of how they work/connect etc.

In practice, they work more or less the same as an SD card. Sony kept 
changing the specs on them, and by the time I left the industry last spring, 
there were at least four different formats of memory stick.
We had more read fails from them than any other card type.

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Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Cassino
Bob Shell wrote:
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:16 PM, Mark Cassino wrote:
> 
>> A little gaussian blur on the flag,
>> knock the two images together, viola... (Um - pardon the French.)
> 
> U, Italian?
> 
> Bob
> 

Oopsie.

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RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2

2007-01-09 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Right now, I only have 3 Pentax "A" lenses, all 50mm's like in new
condtion.
2 50mmf1.4As and a 50mmf2.8A Macro. I have over 35 PENTAX K and M lenses
(but over a dozen of those are 50 and 55mm ) and about a dozen third
party PK lenses & only four 
of those are "A" type. This is
only PK lenses. I have a ton of Pentax & third party M42 also. 
I probably have about 80+ 35mm SLR lenses in my personal collection...
ALL FULL FRAME and ALL PENTAX K or PENTAX screw mount. I dont
use or have any other makesOnly good thing about this overkill
is they have all gone up in value quite a bit in the last year or so, so
I dont feel as bad as I should for having so many...My hobby
has kinda turned into an investment, this year at least...
jco

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Which lenses have you owned/do you still own?

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: J. C. O'Connell

> Well if you count all the ones I got and sold
> over the years in pkg. deals, at least a couple
> dozen total. I still have a few mint ones in my collection too but 
> even they are crass compared to the M and K ( even M42 too ) versions 
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Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Cassino
Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Good work, Mark. Did you shoot that eagle on one of our zoo adventures?
> Paul

Hi Paul -

The bird was in a research center - it was captive with a bad wing.

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Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Cassino
Bob Shell wrote:
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:16 PM, Mark Cassino wrote:
> 
>> A little gaussian blur on the flag,
>> knock the two images together, viola... (Um - pardon the French.)
> 
> U, Italian?
> 
> Bob
> 

Oospie.


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Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2

2007-01-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/01/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Since the camera I am using now controls aperture from the body, aperture
> ring feel has gone from being no big deal to a total non issue.

I do like to twiddle mine occasionally, just to remind me of the good
old days :-)

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Re: Enablement

2007-01-09 Thread David Savage
On 1/10/07, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks, everyone.  :)
>
> My first day was pretty good.  Looks like I've got some coworkers who are
> nice and easy to work with.  The few things I've done so far were much
> easier than I expected, but there are many more complicated things to learn.
>
> I think the hardest part will be training myself to not be a nightowl
> anymore. ;)

If you succeed, let me know how you did it. I've been trying for years.


Cheers,

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Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2

2007-01-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/01/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Huh, if you prefer the focus feel, WHY? I say
> its because they are built better. That's why.
> More precision mechanically. I dont know how
> you can say thats not a detraction in a MANUAL FOCUS
> lens.

I hate to bring it up but think we have parallels here with the HDTV
debate. The "feel" or apparent quality of "build" of the better A
series lenses certainly does not limit my ability to manual focus. In
fact I much prefer the consistency and feel of the the focus ring
grips on the A series lenses if I'm to be honest. This is simply my
opinion of course.

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Re: What's in a Pentax image file (2007 edition) ?

2007-01-09 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 09:39:39AM +1100, Digital Image Studio wrote:
> 
> Excellent John, thanks for sharing that. Now if I begged would you
> consider a rewrite of your little app "halfsize" so that it could be
> used to work with the K10D PEF/DNG files? It's become so much a part
> of my RAW work-flow and makes pre-edits so much easier.

Was that my original halfsize, or Alex Wetmore's improvements?
(and what happened to Alex, anyway?)

A version to work with K10D DNG files shouldn't be too difficult,
but in order to work with the PEFs I'd have to reverse engineer
the compression schem they are using for the raw sensor data.

A much easier utility would be one that started with the full-
resolution low-quality JPEG in the MakerNote.  I believe there's
still one of those somewhere in the DNGPrivateData structure in
a K10D-produced DNG file (it's certainly big enough).


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Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2

2007-01-09 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:16:45AM +1100, Digital Image Studio wrote:
> 
> I do like to twiddle mine occasionally, just to remind me of the good
> old days :-)

Mark ...


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Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Cassino
Kenneth Waller wrote:
> Well done  Mark & the orientation of the stars doesn't bother me.

Thanks, Ken. Glad the stars work for you - now that I've raised the 
issue, try to count how many times you see them on the right, though.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Gonz" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


I always wondered what it was like to be canadian.

Imagine not being an American, and you are pretty much there.
Canada has a national commitment to penis envy regarding the USA, most of 
what we are involves not being you.
Seriously.

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RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2

2007-01-09 Thread J. C. O'Connell
this may be true or some "A" lenses, but in the M42 and K series' the
entire
LINEUP consistantly had the silky smooth precision manual focus, not
just a 
few megabuck lenses. The problem is that there are "A"
series lenses with outstanding image quality that feel
like doodoo on the focus ring. This optical/mechanical
mismatch is what sucks and its not just a few bottom line
zooms, many of the "A" series meat and potato primes are like this too.
jco

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>
> Sill have two, but I've owned about ten over the years, mostly M, yes 
> they feel good but in reality the top end A series lenses that I have 
> retained are practically just as good.

The A series aperture rings tend to be notchier than K/M lenses, but
focus 
feel tends to be as good or better in the better A lenses that I have
used. Lenses like the A600/5.6, A85/1.4, the real primo lenses feel
every bit as 
good as anything from the K era in all ways
Since the camera I am using now controls aperture from the body,
aperture 
ring feel has gone from being no big deal to a total non issue.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

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Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


> 
> Hmm, you mean Canada has radical, right-wing, extremist politicians also?

Yup, but you's call em Communist Pinkos.

William Robb

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Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2

2007-01-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/01/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Only good thing about this overkill
> is they have all gone up in value quite a bit in the last year or so, so
> I dont feel as bad as I should for having so many...My hobby
> has kinda turned into an investment, this year at least...

Surely you've heard the rumors?

Sell sell sell ;-)

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Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Cassino
David Savage wrote:

> What's the reasoning behind having the flag flipped? To me it works
> just as well with the flag the right way around, and the eagle looking
> to the right..

I originally called this "Look Back In Anger" and looking from right to 
left is looking back by western conventions.  Personally, I like the 
stars of the flag to the right because it implies the flag is moving 
forward, rather than retrograding.

> 
> Another interesting thing. When I open the .jpg in PS it has a ruler
> guide to the left.

Interesting. The ruler was in the full sized TIFF I opened up. I ran it 
through my 'web prep' macro and assumed that the ruler would be deleted 
in the conversion from a TIFF to a JPEG.

Best -

MCC

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RE: eggs for photos

2007-01-09 Thread Tim Øsleby


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>Hi Pentaxians
>I just have eaten 3 ultrafresh eggs out of 6 I got today as 
>some sort of payment for a few photos I made last summer. 

The words of a pro ;-) 


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Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-09 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello John,

I have used C1 for quite a long time.  What I found was that it was
very good for doing batches of images.  If you were only going to do
one or two, then some of the batch capabilities didn't really help
much.  It shines best when adjust the first image of a group of
similar (WB, exposure, etc), then applying to the rest of the batch.
After that, quickly clicking through each one and verifying your
settings and possibly making a tweak here and there.

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Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 3:42:42 PM, you wrote:

>> I love using Capture One. I used to use BreezeBrowser for batch
>> conversions, now I tend to use C1.
>> It doesn't support the K10D pef and DNG yet, unfortunately.
>> I have the LE version.
>> 
>> Wendy

JW> Thanks Wendy, I seem to be able to get sharper images with C1 than with ACR,
JW> at least that's how they appear on the monitor.

JW> John 

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Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2

2007-01-09 Thread David Savage
On 1/10/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/01/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Since the camera I am using now controls aperture from the body, aperture
> > ring feel has gone from being no big deal to a total non issue.
>
> I do like to twiddle mine occasionally, just to remind me of the good
> old days :-)

That's obscene!!

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Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Cassino
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> I like it - being a patriotic left-wing American, this positively sings to
> me, kitsch or not 

thanks Shel - it _is_ kitsch but what the heck...

- MCC

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

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From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


> There's the small matter of the weather.

Global warming is improving things.

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RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2

2007-01-09 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Sir, I wasnt talking to you, I was talking 
to someone who already said he PREFERRED
the focus "feel" of the K/M/M42 but
then said it detract from the A usage. Thats
contradictory.

Secondly, I never said it wasnt possible
to focus an "A" lens just as accurately,
it just feels like crap doing so. Its
like driving a mercedes vs driving
a yugo. They both may get you where you
want to go, but its not the same experience.

Lastly, the HDTV thing is not a personal
preference thing either, HDTV does everything
standard TV does, just more accurately
which is undeniably better, not like saying
you want a rubber "A" series ring instead
of a smooth focus which would be a personal
choice if you cant have both. HDTV gives you
everything a standard tv gives you and more,
there is nothing given up. ( like ultra smooth focus
lost on a typical "A" lens vs a K/M42 lens).
jco

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On 10/01/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Huh, if you prefer the focus feel, WHY? I say
> its because they are built better. That's why.
> More precision mechanically. I dont know how
> you can say thats not a detraction in a MANUAL FOCUS
> lens.

I hate to bring it up but think we have parallels here with the HDTV
debate. The "feel" or apparent quality of "build" of the better A series
lenses certainly does not limit my ability to manual focus. In fact I
much prefer the consistency and feel of the the focus ring grips on the
A series lenses if I'm to be honest. This is simply my opinion of
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Re: What's in a Pentax image file (2007 edition) ?

2007-01-09 Thread Doug Franklin
John Francis wrote:

> How do you feel about XML?

Is there a widely accepted schema?  Either way, I'd end up doing both,
because I hate having to drag along a huge XML parsing infrastructure
for a piddly little utility.

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Cassino
Borrowing Doug's words, I'm a reformed photographer.

Before that, even though Alan Greenspan reverts to single syllable words 
when he hears me say it, I was a Banker.

These days I work for a non-profit that provides guardian, conservator, 
and other advocacy services.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Don't let him fool you they've got lots of guns...

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/GunControl50.htm

K.Takeshita wrote:
> On 1/09/07 5:13 PM, "frank theriault", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care and no
>> guns...
>> 
>
> Sounds like utopia !
>
> Ken
>
>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
frank theriault wrote:
> On 1/9/07, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I always wondered what it was like to be canadian.
> 
> It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care and no 
> guns...

 From what I read, health care might be free up North, but "better" is 
debatable. Why do we always hear about so many people coming here for 
diagnosis?  As for guns...  yeah, ok, no guns in Canada?  With what do 
you guys shoot all the bears, moose, elk, caribou, deer, etc, etc.?  (I 
believe the stat is more guns in Canada per capita than in the US)

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Christian" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


>
> From what I read, health care might be free up North, but "better" is
> debatable. Why do we always hear about so many people coming here for
> diagnosis?  As for guns...  yeah, ok, no guns in Canada?  With what do
> you guys shoot all the bears, moose, elk, caribou, deer, etc, etc.?  (I
> believe the stat is more guns in Canada per capita than in the US)

Our health care system is pretty mucked up at the moment, with no end in 
sight. The feds are commited to universal health care, with no allowance 
made for private care. Overall, we are probably better off, my impression is 
that if you don't have health insurance you are petty much screwed if 
something goes wrong with you, but your high end care is way better than 
ours, providing you can afford it or have a good plan.
We may have more long guns per capita as we still have a large northern 
population that relies on subsistence hunting. You have WAY more hand guns 
per capita though. Since those are the ones that tend to be used in gun 
crimes, I'm not unhappy about this.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Brendan MacRae
I know...I was being flip.

;-]

-Brendan
--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >Then it really becomes a simple thing to dislike
> them.
> >
> >-Brendan
> 
> My point was that people often dislike each other
> because of misconceptions 
> and wrong perceptions.  We often find that when we
> get to know someone that 
> we are more alike than different, whether it's our
> next door neighbor, or 
> someone from a totally different
> cultural/national/ethnic/racial/religious 
> background.
> 
> Not all the time, but alot of the time.
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Tom C
>As for guns...  yeah, ok, no guns in Canada?  With what do
>you guys shoot all the bears, moose, elk, caribou, deer, etc, etc.?  (I
>believe the stat is more guns in Canada per capita than in the US)
>
>--
>
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It could be archery, most likely though it's chain saws.  Everyone up there 
wears red plaid shirts and hats with earflaps, while we're at it.

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Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag

2007-01-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Proper display of "The Flag" requires the field to be on the right 
(observers left) as per Title 4 Chapter 1 Paragraph 7 section i and 
section o of the US Code...

i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the 
union should be uppermost and to the flag’s own right, that is, to the 
observer’s left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be 
displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of 
the observer in the street.

or in part

o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby in a building 
with only one main entrance, it should be suspended vertically with the 
union of the flag to the observer’s left upon entering...

In a photo I would think that it's not necessary, but still there is 
tradition...

Mark Cassino wrote:
> Kenneth Waller wrote:
>   
>> Well done  Mark & the orientation of the stars doesn't bother me.
>> 
>
> Thanks, Ken. Glad the stars work for you - now that I've raised the 
> issue, try to count how many times you see them on the right, though.
>
> - MCC
>
>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
William Robb wrote:
> 
> Our health care system is pretty mucked up at the moment, 

Thank you for admitting that.

> The feds are commited to universal health care, with no allowance 
> made for private care. 

Which I find utterly ridiculous.  You should have the option to pay for 
"better" care.

> my impression is 
> that if you don't have health insurance you are petty much screwed 

Totally agree, and this is where the US is lacking.  We need better 
universal care but not at the expense of good health care plans.

> We may have more long guns per capita

I believe knarf wrote "no guns."  Long guns IS guns and they kill just 
as good, if not better than, hand guns.  I loved "Bowling for 
Columbine."  (flame retardant suit: ON). :-)

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RE: eggs for photos

2007-01-09 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Tim
you may know about that "talent" exchange. It is a complicated way in real
life but I like the idea behind it.
And I have learned again something about rabbit and chicken breeding today.
I know so little about many things  ;-)
greetings
Markus




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Subject: eggs for photos

>Hi Pentaxians
>I just have eaten 3 ultrafresh eggs out of 6 I got today as
>some sort of payment for a few photos I made last summer.

The words of a pro ;-)


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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Tom C
I thought as much.

I'm often misunderstood at home, therefore I always feel the need to 
re-explain. :-)

Tom C.


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>
>;-]
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>--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > them.
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> > >-Brendan
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> > and wrong perceptions.  We often find that when we
> > get to know someone that
> > we are more alike than different, whether it's our
> > next door neighbor, or
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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-09 Thread Doug Franklin
Mark Cassino wrote:

> These days I work for a non-profit that provides guardian, conservator, 
> and other advocacy services.

Oh, you're a parent? :-)

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/09/07 7:54 PM, "P. J. Alling", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Don't let him fool you they've got lots of guns...
> 
> http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/GunControl50.htm

I shoot (but not score :-).
Frank was just symbolic, but gun control here (with its shortfalls) is far
stricter than in U.S. and while crimes using guns are increasing every year,
it is nowhere near U.S..  In fact, the most problem here is illegal guns
brought in from U.S.
While I have been a target shooter for over 30 years, I am all for gun
control, particularly handguns.  There is no need of handguns for average
civilians, except for truly serious and competent sports shooters and in
some special situations.

Canada has a vast rural area where gun possession is prevalent (that's where
most guns are).  But vast majority of gun crime occurs in urban area and in
just recent 10 years or so, which is really regrettable.
When we came here, we almost never heard of any gun crime.

Sigh

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Brendan MacRae
I can't help it, I've always been something of a
smartass.

I would stop if I could...

;-]

-Brendan
--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I thought as much.
> 
> I'm often misunderstood at home, therefore I always
> feel the need to 
> re-explain. :-)
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> >From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
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> >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:00:52 -0800 (PST)
> >
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> >
> >;-]
> >
> >-Brendan
> >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > >Then it really becomes a simple thing to
> dislike
> > > them.
> > > >
> > > >-Brendan
> > >
> > > My point was that people often dislike each
> other
> > > because of misconceptions
> > > and wrong perceptions.  We often find that when
> we
> > > get to know someone that
> > > we are more alike than different, whether it's
> our
> > > next door neighbor, or
> > > someone from a totally different
> > > cultural/national/ethnic/racial/religious
> > > background.
> > >
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Tom C
I have a 15 year old son.  He is enabling me to see my behavior in a new 
light.

HELP, I've created a monster. :-)



Tom C.



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>Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:27:40 -0800 (PST)
>
>I can't help it, I've always been something of a
>smartass.
>
>I would stop if I could...
>
>;-]
>
>-Brendan
>--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I thought as much.
> >
> > I'm often misunderstood at home, therefore I always
> > feel the need to
> > re-explain. :-)
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> >
> > >From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
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> > >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
> > >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:00:52 -0800 (PST)
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> > >I know...I was being flip.
> > >
> > >;-]
> > >
> > >-Brendan
> > >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >Then it really becomes a simple thing to
> > dislike
> > > > them.
> > > > >
> > > > >-Brendan
> > > >
> > > > My point was that people often dislike each
> > other
> > > > because of misconceptions
> > > > and wrong perceptions.  We often find that when
> > we
> > > > get to know someone that
> > > > we are more alike than different, whether it's
> > our
> > > > next door neighbor, or
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned 
all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent 
crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime 
rates in England are now higher than in the US).  I doubt that smuggling 
firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of 
something else.

K.Takeshita wrote:
> On 1/09/07 7:54 PM, "P. J. Alling", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Don't let him fool you they've got lots of guns...
>>
>> http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/GunControl50.htm
>> 
>
> I shoot (but not score :-).
> Frank was just symbolic, but gun control here (with its shortfalls) is far
> stricter than in U.S. and while crimes using guns are increasing every year,
> it is nowhere near U.S..  In fact, the most problem here is illegal guns
> brought in from U.S.
> While I have been a target shooter for over 30 years, I am all for gun
> control, particularly handguns.  There is no need of handguns for average
> civilians, except for truly serious and competent sports shooters and in
> some special situations.
>
> Canada has a vast rural area where gun possession is prevalent (that's where
> most guns are).  But vast majority of gun crime occurs in urban area and in
> just recent 10 years or so, which is really regrettable.
> When we came here, we almost never heard of any gun crime.
>
> Sigh
>
> Ken
>
>
>   


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Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-09 Thread Cory Papenfuss
> The problem, Cory, is that the question I was responding to, and
> subsequent discussion, was a bona fide question by a new user on how
> best to work with his K10D RAW image files. Not all of us are
> interested in theoretical pedantry.
>
My bad... I don't recall the original inquiry.  I was originally 
responding to technical issues of quantization and the "least amount of 
data loss" in the image processing chain.

> There is no "truth in advertising" when it comes to taking a digital
> capture and transforming it to a quality rendering. Mathematical
> algorithms functions do exactly what they are programmed to do, to
> the limits of resolution of the representational medium. One works
> with the tools available to produce a pleasing/accurate (take your
> pick in whatever proportion you desire) result, regardless of what
> "errors" (more precisely, "deviations from theory") might exist.
>
> Pedantry does not produce photographs.
>
True.  I am quite in the minority as a "technical photographer" as 
opposed to an "artsy photographer."  Most are the latter and whatever 
looks good is acceptable.  I find it difficult to trust my own sense of 
quality, so I resort to objective means that I can quantify to produce the 
most colorimetrically accurate and least manipulated images possible.

If I choose to apply a filter (blackpoint, whitepoint, curves, 
levels, usm, greyscale conversion, etc, etc) to the image, I want the 
operation to be conducted as accurately to the namesake as possible.  It's 
when they are incorrectly labeled that it bothers me.  For something as 
major as linear vs. log, its a huge deal from a data processing 
standpoint... even if the end result can barely be detected.

I am cursed by the fact that I do not trust my own preference for 
"pleasing/accurate," so I err on the side of accurate.  I also understand 
that most feel the opposite and are appalled at the pedantry.

To each their own.

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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread cesar_abdul
That is one of the things I dislike of SD cards.  I have two for my Optio S and 
S4.  Both of them have loose switches.
I am sure there are plenty of hardship cases with both types of memory, but I 
have never had a CF ever act up on me.

Your mileage will vary,

Cesar
Panama City, Florida
in Baltimore, Maryland

Paul,
Look for a little sliding thing on the side of the card.  It is a
mechanical switch.
Regards, Bob S.

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> > locked when I put it in the K10D. Thus, I can't format it. I suppose I
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Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2

2007-01-09 Thread Cory Papenfuss
> Since the camera I am using now controls aperture from the body, aperture
> ring feel has gone from being no big deal to a total non issue.
>
> William Robb
>
Don't poke the bear...

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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

2007-01-09 Thread cesar_abdul
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> >Ahhh, the life of a nomad,

And thus Mark spew:

I thought you were a Sherpa?


Mark, 

There was no money in it so I have become a nomadic Sherpa :-)  Among other 
things...

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Brendan MacRae
I have a 2.5 yr old and another on the way.

So, it'll be a few years yet until I have that little
epiphany.

-Brendan


--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a 15 year old son.  He is enabling me to see
> my behavior in a new 
> light.
> 
> HELP, I've created a monster. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
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> >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:27:40 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >I can't help it, I've always been something of a
> >smartass.
> >
> >I would stop if I could...
> >
> >;-]
> >
> >-Brendan
> >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > I thought as much.
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> > > > >
> > > > > Not all the time, but alot of the time.
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread David Savage
Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do.

Just like guns don't kill people.

Cheers,

Dave


On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned
> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent
> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime
> rates in England are now higher than in the US).  I doubt that smuggling
> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Brendan MacRae

--- David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do.
> 
> Just like guns don't kill people.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave
> 

Note to Tom: here I go again...

Guns don't kill people; bullets do.

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Re: 77 Ltd

2007-01-09 Thread cesar_abdul
Dave,

Do not fret, I should have both of mine on the mountain.  I will probably keep 
the black in reserve, unless it has gotten scratched up before then...

How much longer until NPW?

Cesar
Panama City, Florida
in Baltimore, Maryland


I used the thread as a crutch.:-)

I hope mine comes before Jine 2.

Dave

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/09/07 8:45 PM, "P. J. Alling", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned
> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent
> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime
> rates in England are now higher than in the US).  I doubt that smuggling
> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of
> something else.

I do not wish to debate about gun control here ;-), but in Canada, taking
guns out is almost impossible.  Only guns you can bring out of home are bolt
action rifles and shotguns.  Even then, you have to follow certain rules.
You can't carry ANY handguns (i.e., concealable and portable) and some
rifles (automatics etc) without a carrying permit.  The carrying permit is
not just for casual carrying it to a range etc, but has a very specific
purpose and places stipulated on it.  If you have to bring it to a gunsmith,
you have to get a separate carrying permit on certain date and certain time.

So, if anybody carry handguns around with no specific purpose, that's a
crime.  Even with legal guns (rifle or handgun), Police's attitude is to
find any excuse to confiscate them.  When you buy a restricted guns
(handguns and automatic rifles), you have to first receive a police
inspection of storage facility.
It's impossible to enforce these universally, but it seems to be working
better than we think.
This is not to say Americans are bad. I know it has a lot more to do with
your history and culture.  And once guns are proliferated, it is almost
impossible to control it.
Criminals always know how to bypass laws.  It's just many more criminals
with gins in U.S. :-).

I'll shut up :-).

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PESO - what bird is this?

2007-01-09 Thread J and K Messervy
This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought from 
Ebay.  Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full 
manual.

http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37

I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a 
sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our back 
yard at present.  I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot.

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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread Jack Davis
Paul, what was the lighting source? Did you have to deal with highlight
removal in post processing? Did you light it?
Striking shot.

Jack
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> I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show today. 
> 
> I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was nice
>  
> to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great  
> camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I have
>  
> some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll  
> probably post a few more later.
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Re: PESO - what bird is this?

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Good shot. It looks like the bird we call a goldfinch up here. Decent  
bokeh for a mirror lens.
On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:11 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:

> This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I  
> bought from
> Ebay.  Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on  
> full
> manual.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37
>
> I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a
> sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in  
> our back
> yard at present.  I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Bullets don't kill people. The holes that bullets create kill people:-).
Paul
On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

>
> --- David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do.
>>
>> Just like guns don't kill people.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
> Note to Tom: here I go again...
>
> Guns don't kill people; bullets do.
>
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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Jack. The lighting is from the display lights. I removed a  
couple of highlights that I didn't like but left most of them. The  
lighting was a bit uneven, so I brightened up the front of the car  
with a curves adjustment on a selected area with 50 pixel feathering.
On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Paul, what was the lighting source? Did you have to deal with  
> highlight
> removal in post processing? Did you light it?
> Striking shot.
>
> Jack
> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show today.
>>
>> I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was nice
>>
>> to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great
>> camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I have
>>
>> some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll
>> probably post a few more later.
>> Paul
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Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm very fond of the DA 12-24. The pic of the Mustang that I posted  
yesterday was shot with this lens. In fact, although I brought three  
other lenses with me to the auto show, they didn't come out of the  
bag. I used the DA 12-24 exclusively.
Paul
On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:07 PM, William Robb wrote:

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>
>
>>
>>> Buy Pentax lenses. They're better performers, 99.9% of the time
>>> anyway. The Pentax FA24-90/3.5-4.5 AL would be an excellent choice
>>> for a lens in this focal length range.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> tho with digital, I will also need a very wide lens to cover from  
>> 10/15 to
>> 24/28
>
> 10-17 is excellent, though you will need a defishing program.
> I've heard enough good things about the 12-24 that I bought one.
> At some point, I may even get it.
> The 14/2.8 is excellent, as is the FA20-35.
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Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm very fond of the DA 12-24. The pic of the Mustang that I posted  
yesterday was shot with this lens. In fact, although I brought three  
other lenses with me to the auto show, they didn't come out of the  
bag. I used the DA 12-24 exclusively.
Paul
On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:07 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "jim" Subject: Re: Finally got my K10D. but..
>
>
>>
>>> Buy Pentax lenses. They're better performers, 99.9% of the time
>>> anyway. The Pentax FA24-90/3.5-4.5 AL would be an excellent choice
>>> for a lens in this focal length range.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> tho with digital, I will also need a very wide lens to cover from  
>> 10/15 to
>> 24/28
>
> 10-17 is excellent, though you will need a defishing program.
> I've heard enough good things about the 12-24 that I bought one.
> At some point, I may even get it.
> The 14/2.8 is excellent, as is the FA20-35.
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PESO:industrial fireworks overZurich

2007-01-09 Thread Markus Maurer

The "industrial surrounding" and the nearly absence of colors makes this
photo a little bit different from the usual fireworks shot for me.
Pentax SFXn, Pentax A70-210mm, Konica Centuria 100 film, tripod and cable
remote , F11, around 6 seconds...
greetings
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Re: PESO - what bird is this?

2007-01-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Very nice, even with the donut shaped bokeh.   Which Sigma did you get?

J and K Messervy wrote:
> This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought from 
> Ebay.  Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full 
> manual.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37
>
> I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a 
> sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our back 
> yard at present.  I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread P. J. Alling
I thought it was high impact lead poising that killed people...

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Bullets don't kill people. The holes that bullets create kill people:-).
> Paul
> On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:
>
>   
>> --- David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do.
>>>
>>> Just like guns don't kill people.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>   
>> Note to Tom: here I go again...
>>
>> Guns don't kill people; bullets do.
>>
>> -Brendan
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Re: PESO - Two palm trees

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Cassino
Boris Liberman wrote:
> http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=16107&full=1
> 
Well seen, Boris. The natural shapes of the palms provides for a nice 
counterpoint to the regularity and repetition of the sailboat masts. 
Gorgeous light on the water too.

My only quibble would be what appears to be the blown out sky along the 
horizon to the left of the image.  I'd like to see some detail there - 
but that truly is a quibble.

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RE: PESO - what bird is this?

2007-01-09 Thread Markus Maurer
Sharpness is not the weakness of mirror lenses IMHO, my Tamron SP 500 is
quite good regarding this.
greetings
Markus

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Thanks.  I've also confirmed that it is a Silver eye.

The lens is just a Sigma 600mm f8 mirror telephoto. It doesn't really have
anything else to identify it.  It's sharper than I was expecting though...if
you get the focus spot on, which is a little difficult.

James
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> Very nice, even with the donut shaped bokeh.   Which Sigma did you get?
>
> J and K Messervy wrote:
>> This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought
>> from
>> Ebay.  Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full
>> manual.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37
>>
>> I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a
>> sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our
>> back
>> yard at present.  I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: PESO - what bird is this?

2007-01-09 Thread J and K Messervy
Thanks.  I've also confirmed that it is a Silver eye.

The lens is just a Sigma 600mm f8 mirror telephoto. It doesn't really have 
anything else to identify it.  It's sharper than I was expecting though...if 
you get the focus spot on, which is a little difficult.

James
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> Very nice, even with the donut shaped bokeh.   Which Sigma did you get?
>
> J and K Messervy wrote:
>> This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought 
>> from
>> Ebay.  Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full
>> manual.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37
>>
>> I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a
>> sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our 
>> back
>> yard at present.  I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

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From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned
> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent
> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime
> rates in England are now higher than in the US).  I doubt that smuggling
> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of
> something else.

Straw man argument, Peter.
Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously 
hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range 
where the victim has less chance of self defence.

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Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Cory Papenfuss" Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)


>
>  I am cursed by the fact that I do not trust my own preference for
> "pleasing/accurate," 

You need to look at more good pictures then.
Not necessarily photographs either.
I find my own pictures aren't as instructive as other peoples, since no 
matter how I try, I am biased regarding my own work.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

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From: "K.Takeshita" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


> It's just many more criminals
> with gins in U.S. :-).

Anything with gin is criminal..
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RE: PESO - what bird is this?

2007-01-09 Thread Markus Maurer
I like it too James and I will try something similar with a Tokina M42 400mm
5.6 RMC tele (non mirror) I got yesterday and the Pentax AF400FTZ on the
SFXn and film today as testfor the lens . I tried to get some closeups of
raven yesterday taking a bath in the swimming-bath here with a 70-300mm zoom
but they are either too clever for me or the tele range must be much longer
;-)

greetings
Markus

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Very nice, even with the donut shaped bokeh.   Which Sigma did you get?

J and K Messervy wrote:
> This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought
from
> Ebay.  Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full
> manual.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37
>
> I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a
> sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our back
> yard at present.  I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot.
>
> Cheers
>
> James
>
>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Brendan MacRae" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


> 
> Guns don't kill people; bullets do.

Unless you use it like a club.
WW

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

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From: "Christian" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


> William Robb wrote:
>>
>> Our health care system is pretty mucked up at the moment,
>
> Thank you for admitting that.
>

It's not an admission, it's the plain truth.

>> The feds are commited to universal health care, with no allowance
>> made for private care.
>
> Which I find utterly ridiculous.  You should have the option to pay for
> "better" care.

The argument (which I don't necessarily argree with) is that there is, in 
reality, a finite amount of health care resources available, be it public or 
private. Private health care sucks care resources from the poorer segments 
of society, which you confirm below.

>
>> my impression is
>> that if you don't have health insurance you are petty much screwed
>
> Totally agree, and this is where the US is lacking.  We need better
> universal care but not at the expense of good health care plans.

What we need is a quality of universal health care that negates the need for 
private health plans.

>
>> We may have more long guns per capita
>
> I believe knarf wrote "no guns."  Long guns IS guns and they kill just
> as good, if not better than, hand guns.  I loved "Bowling for
> Columbine."  (flame retardant suit: ON). :-)

They kill better, but really, are they used as frequently to kill as many?

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Re: PESO - what bird is this?

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
J and K Messervy wrote:
> This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought from 
> Ebay.  Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full 
> manual.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37
> 
> I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a 
> sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our back 
> yard at present.  I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> James 
> 
> 

That's a really nicely composed shot.  I think it's a warbler (mourning 
warbler would be my first guess, but it's on the page of my Peterson's 
filed guide called "Confusing Fall Warblers)

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Re: PESO - what bird is this?

2007-01-09 Thread Brian Walters
Nicely captured, James.

It's a Silvereye (so called for obvious reasons).  Very common in most of south 
east Australia.



Cheers

Brian

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Quoting J and K Messervy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I
> bought from 
> Ebay.  Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on
> full 
> manual.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37
> 
> I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of
> a 
> sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in
> our back 
> yard at present.  I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> James

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Re: PESO - what bird is this?

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
Brian Walters wrote:
> Nicely captured, James.
> 
> It's a Silvereye (so called for obvious reasons).  Very common in most of 
> south east Australia.

Hahahahaha...  I should find out where people are posting from before I 
make a bird ID...  Let me consult the ol' Aussie bird guide  yep 
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
> Nativism is a form of xenophobia.  Ken describes assimilation.  Those 
> who don't wish to assimilate should go to Canada...

No. I like Canada & Canadians. Couldn't ask for better neighbors.
Those who don't wish to assimilate should go to back to their own country.

Kenneth Waller

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From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


> Nativism is a form of xenophobia.  Ken describes assimilation.  Those 
> who don't wish to assimilate should go to Canada...
> 
> Brendan MacRae wrote:
>> --- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Kenneth Waller" Subject: Re: PESO - American
>>> Fence
>>>
>>>
>>> 
> Is it really sad Ken?
> 
 The U.S. became great by the work of many pulling
   
>>> together to make thing
>>> 
 better for the whole. Now it seems we have groups
   
>>> of immigrants, among
>>> 
 others, that come to the U.S. but bring along
   
>>> their customs & traditions
>>> 
 from their home land and expect the rest of us to
   
>>> adapt to them.
>>> 
> In general, I don't think we are quite as
> 
>>> xenophobic here.
>>> 
 I don't hate foreigners, but I detest their
   
>>> efforts to bring their country
>>> 
 with them.
   
>>> Xenophobia can be cultural as well as racial.
>>>
>>> William Robb 
>>> 
>>
>> I think what Ken is descibing is Nativism, not
>> xenophobia. The idea that America is an "endangered
>> Eden." It isn't, of course. It never has been. But we
>> live in a time of powerlessness of the masses. We are
>> at war with an idea and we are paranoid. It has to be
>> somebody's fault, right?
>>
>> -Brendan
>>
>>
>>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Rifles, not guns 

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Christian 

>  yeah, ok, no guns in Canada?  With what do 
> you guys shoot all the bears, moose, elk, caribou, deer, etc, etc.? 


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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Sorry, I must disagree.  An armed victim is more likely to defend 
herself than a disarmed victim.  To paraphrase a member of the English 
House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban in GB.  
'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong.  To restrict 
their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense.  
Governments may have the power to do that, but should not have the 
right.'  Apparently the British Government no longer believes in the 
Citizens right of self defense.  Do you?


William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
>
>
>   
>> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned
>> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent
>> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime
>> rates in England are now higher than in the US).  I doubt that smuggling
>> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of
>> something else.
>> 
>
> Straw man argument, Peter.
> Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously 
> hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range 
> where the victim has less chance of self defence.
>
> William Robb 
>
>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
William Robb wrote:

> 
> They kill better, but really, are they used as frequently to kill as many?

It makes for splashy news stories when dozens are killed or injured at 
once, like Columbine or Port Arthur.
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Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........

2007-01-09 Thread Adam Maas
jim wrote:
>> SIGnificant MAlfunction strikes again.
> 
> LOL.
> 
> mmm how do sigma lens work on sigma camera? any compatiability issuses there?
> maybe they reverse engineer there own lens  :P
> 
> James
> 

Potentially, since their lens protocol is a fairly blatant copy of the 
EOS protocol. IIRC they originally tried to licence EF mount. got turned 
down and decided to use a K-mount derived Bayonet on a mount that's 
otherwise EOS. Sigma-mount lenses can be modified to work fully on EOS 
bodies with a mount replacement.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Rifles, not guns 
> 
> Shel

meh...  from Merriam-Webster Online:
Gun: 1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and 
comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or 
handgun) c : a device that throws a projectile

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

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From: "Christian" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>> Rifles, not guns 
>>
>> Shel
>
> meh...  from Merriam-Webster Online:
> Gun: 1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and
> comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or
> handgun) c : a device that throws a projectile

He was merely adding a level of specificity, as in rifles specifically, not 
guns in general.
Do you suppose Mike is still reading?

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread David Savage
I'm not anti-firearms, but I am anti-hand guns (and to a lesser extent
semi-automatic rifles/shotguns). They have one purpose, and one
purpose only, to kill people.

Cheers,

Dave

On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry, I must disagree.  An armed victim is more likely to defend
> herself than a disarmed victim.  To paraphrase a member of the English
> House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban in GB.
> 'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong.  To restrict
> their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense.
> Governments may have the power to do that, but should not have the
> right.'  Apparently the British Government no longer believes in the
> Citizens right of self defense.  Do you?
>
>
> William Robb wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
> >
> >
> >
> >> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned
> >> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent
> >> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime
> >> rates in England are now higher than in the US).  I doubt that smuggling
> >> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of
> >> something else.
> >>
> >
> > Straw man argument, Peter.
> > Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously
> > hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range
> > where the victim has less chance of self defence.
> >
> > William Robb
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
> IMO Americans tend to do exactly the same thing when they are abroad.
I agree, but eventually they go home!

Kenneth Waller

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From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: RE: PESO - American Fence


> Ken.
> IMO Americans tend to do exactly the same thing when they are abroad.
> Whether they are fighting a war, having a vacation or are visiting their
> "roots in old country".
>
> I think that is human nature.
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Kenneth Waller
> Sent: 9. januar 2007 18:23
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> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
>
>> Is it really sad Ken?
>
> The U.S. became great by the work of many pulling together to make thing
> better for the whole. Now it seems we have groups of immigrants, among
> others, that come to the U.S. but bring along their customs & traditions
> from their home land and expect the rest of us to adapt to them.
>
>> In general, I don't think we are quite as xenophobic here.
>
> I don't hate foreigners, but I detest their efforts to bring their country
> with them.
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
>
>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Kenneth Waller" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
>>
>>
>>>The USA is multi ethnic, but if you are an American, you are an American,
>>>first and foremost, and that flag is to die for.
>>
>> Sadly that's the way it use to be. Notice the number of immigrants
>> arriving
>> in the U S of A that want to change  the official language, continue
>> traditions from their homeland, dress in their homeland garb etc.
>>
>> Wasn't that way previously. Immigrants came to the U S of S & quickly
>> became
>> Americanized.
>>
>> Is it really sad Ken?
>> We've been operating a hyphenated society in Canada for many, many years,
>> and it seems to be working well enough.
>> In general, I don't think we are quite as xenophobic here.
>>
>> William Robb
>>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread David Savage
On 1/10/07, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> William Robb wrote:
>
> > They kill better, but really, are they used as frequently to kill as many?
>
> It makes for splashy news stories when dozens are killed or injured at
> once, like Columbine or Port Arthur.

Our governments knee jerk reaction after Port Arthur was quite drastic
compared to what happened in the US after Columbine.

But then the ability to own a firearm isn't a "right", it's a privilege.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
> It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care..

knarF, Surely you jest.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence


> On 1/9/07, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I always wondered what it was like to be canadian.
>
c> It's pretty much like being American, but with better health are and no 
guns...
>
> cheers,
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Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag

2007-01-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
>try to count how many times you see them on the right, though.

Alot. I see it that way on planes all the time.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag


> Kenneth Waller wrote:
>> Well done  Mark & the orientation of the stars doesn't bother me.
> 
> Thanks, Ken. Glad the stars work for you - now that I've raised the 
> issue, try to count how many times you see them on the right, though.
> 
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Kenneth Waller

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> On 9/1/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>>cheers,
>>frank (who doesn't even know what Ni! means)
> but lives in some shrubbery
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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread John Celio
> I'd say that if you could get the CF card into the slot backwards,
> without using a sufficient amount of force to destroy the slot, it was
> incorrectly designed to begin with.  I have a card reader with a type II
> slot where you could possibly incorrectly insert a type one card,
> (though it doesn't come close to seating), but I can't put it in 
> backwards.

Try putting it in sideways or upside down.  Backwards won't work because of 
the lip on the rear edge of the card.  Sideways is how people *really* f-ed 
up their camera's pins.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
> Canada has a national commitment to penis envy regarding the USA, most of
> what we are involves not being you.

You mean you don't want to be the next state in the union? 

Kenneth Waller

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>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Gonz" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
>
>
> I always wondered what it was like to be canadian.
>
> Imagine not being an American, and you are pretty much there.
> Canada has a national commitment to penis envy regarding the USA, most of
> what we are involves not being you.
> Seriously.
>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread David Savage
What makes the American public health system, so much better than any
other countries?

Cheers,

Dave (I have no idea how the system works in the US)

On 1/10/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care..
>
> knarF, Surely you jest.
>
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
So what  ...  a gun may be a generic term, but the rifle is specific. 
Similar to pistol and revolver, both are guns but each is specific. 
Further, there are features to rifles that guns do not have.  I stand by my
specificity rather than some wuss dictionary generalization.  

I recall an few paragraphs written by Ernie Pyle in one of his WWII
stories, in which a GI called his rifle a gun.  His sergeant made the
recruit stand in front of the platoon holding both his rifle and his penis,
and repeat the incantation "This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for
fighting, this is for fun."

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: 1/9/2007 7:35:26 PM
> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
>
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> > Rifles, not guns 
> > 
> > Shel
>
> meh...  from Merriam-Webster Online:
> Gun: 1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and 
> comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or 
> handgun) c : a device that throws a projectile
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Doug Franklin
David Savage wrote:

> Just like guns don't kill people.

Guns _don't_ kill people ... it's those pesky bullets! :-)

Or, as Larry the Cable Guy says,

"Guns don't kill people ... husbands that come home early, _they_ kill
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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread John Celio
> The biggest problem we had was with cards that hadn't been formatted that
> wouldn't read in the readers at all, though they would read in camera.
> The second biggest problem we had was Sony Memory Sticks.

Oh man, non- (or improperly-) formatted cards were a nightmare too, since 
the customers would invariably assume something was wrong with OUR printing 
kiosks.  On the other hand, we could sometimes get them to pay for an image 
recovery service, since it was likely their computer wouldn't read their 
card either.

I hate Sony in general (did you hear they're dropping their monitor line?), 
but the memory cards I had the most problems with were Smart Media and XD. 
The reason was twofold.

First, if something bad happened to one of those cards (which only Fuji and 
Olympus use, I believe) and they could not be read in any of the usual ways, 
kiss your photos goodbye.  Even our best file recovery software would fail 
most of the time when trying to access damamged SM and XD cards.  CF and SD, 
for whatever reason, are a hell of a lot more forgiving.

Second, if a customer accidentally formatted their SM or XD card, there was 
no recovering anything.  Olympus cameras, especially, run a full format when 
you format your card, meaning *nothing* is left.  I don't understand why 
they do it this way, whereas cameras that take CF or SD cards tend to 
perform quick formats, leaving the data to be overwritten or recovered 
later.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread P. J. Alling
I could say, and your point?  However in at least one case that's not 
true.  The .44 magnum was touted as a last chance weapon for bear 
hunters.  I'm not sure that I'd be much comforted but hey, if you're 
going to hunt bears I guess any thing is better than nothing.

David Savage wrote:
> I'm not anti-firearms, but I am anti-hand guns (and to a lesser extent
> semi-automatic rifles/shotguns). They have one purpose, and one
> purpose only, to kill people.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Sorry, I must disagree.  An armed victim is more likely to defend
>> herself than a disarmed victim.  To paraphrase a member of the English
>> House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban in GB.
>> 'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong.  To restrict
>> their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense.
>> Governments may have the power to do that, but should not have the
>> right.'  Apparently the British Government no longer believes in the
>> Citizens right of self defense.  Do you?
>>
>>
>> William Robb wrote:
>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned
 all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent
 crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime
 rates in England are now higher than in the US).  I doubt that smuggling
 firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of
 something else.

 
>>> Straw man argument, Peter.
>>> Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously
>>> hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range
>>> where the victim has less chance of self defence.
>>>
>>> William Robb
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread John Celio
> The logic in you statement just doesn't hold, so how is what you stated 
> any
> different with the SD card.
> Maybe the universe of CF cards was just bigger than SD cards.

I don't understand why you thought my logic was bad, but I'm glad Godfrey 
cleared things up for you.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
William Robb wrote:

> Do you suppose Mike is still reading?
> 

If he was, he ain't anymore! :-)

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
> Anything with gin is criminal..
Not if its Bombay Sapphire or "10".

Kenneth Waller

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> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "K.Takeshita" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
> 
> 
>> It's just many more criminals
>> with gins in U.S. :-).
> 
> Anything with gin is criminal..
> WW
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread David Savage
My point is, I happen to believe in controls on handguns.

Dave

On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I could say, and your point?  However in at least one case that's not
> true.  The .44 magnum was touted as a last chance weapon for bear
> hunters.  I'm not sure that I'd be much comforted but hey, if you're
> going to hunt bears I guess any thing is better than nothing.
>
> David Savage wrote:
> > I'm not anti-firearms, but I am anti-hand guns (and to a lesser extent
> > semi-automatic rifles/shotguns). They have one purpose, and one
> > purpose only, to kill people.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave

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